boom. new london population boom. new research has found that the capital has almost certainly surpassed its pre—pandemic peak of 10.1 million people and continues to climb. is britain finally over crowded and rishi sunak becomes comes out fighting, saying he has a plan to boost british business. it comes as speculation over his future as prime minister grows and grows . some tory mps are and grows. some tory mps are reported as wanting the commons leader, penny mordaunt, to replace him . and it wouldn't be replace him. and it wouldn't be easter without easter weather chaos. are we in for yet another wet easter weekend? this year certainly feels like it. that's all coming up in your next hour. welcome to the show. thank you for joining us. always a forjoining us. always a pleasure. i've already been joined in the studio by this

man, brendan clarke—smith. he's giving his full reaction to a calamitous day in politics. another vote on rwanda in the commons. is it rwanda or bust for rishi sunak? people. the vultures are circling. our leadership challenges coming through 40 letters now apparently in of no confidence on rishi sunak and a 23 point poll deficit to the labour party, that poll dropped just about an hour and a quarter ago. let us know what you think. use your ways. vaiews@gbnews.com. should they just get rid of rishi sunak and try for a new leader, or is it just too late and the party needs to stand unhed? and the party needs to stand united? let me know what your thoughts are. but first, it's time for your latest news headunes time for your latest news headlines with sofia wenzel . headlines with sofia wenzel. >> thanks, martin. good afternoon. it's 3:02. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . your

wenzler in the gb newsroom. your top story this hour. the government has started to identify which illegal migrants will be on the first flight to rwanda . downing street says the rwanda. downing street says the initial cohort of people are now being contacted, with the prime minister still determined to see the first plane departing later this spring. mps are due to vote this spring. mps are due to vote this evening on ten changes to the rwanda bill made by peers in the rwanda bill made by peers in the house of lords. rishi sunak says he is still committed to getting flights off the ground . getting flights off the ground. >> it's important that we get the rwanda scheme up and running because to have because we need to have a deterrent. we need it deterrent. we need to make it clear that come here clear that if you come here illegally , will be able illegally, you will not be able to will be able to to stay and we will be able to remove you. that only way remove you. that is the only way to the issue of to properly solve the issue of illegal migration. now we've made good progress. boat numbers were by a third last year, were down by a third last year, so that shows our plan is so that shows that our plan is working. to order finish working. but in to order finish the job, we the rwanda the job, we need the rwanda scheme getting scheme through. we are getting it parliament. everyone scheme through. we are getting it trying parliament. everyone scheme through. we are getting it trying fblockfent. everyone scheme through. we are getting it trying fblockfentincludingz is trying to block us, including the party , because they the labour party, because they do not have a plan to tackle this do. am this problem. we do. i am determined it through, determined to see it through, get deterrent up and running get the deterrent up and running as possible .

as quickly as possible. >> also >> the prime minister also rebuffed about rebuffed speculation about a leadership challenge, saying he's not interested in westminster politics. speaking at a business event in warwickshire, rishi sunak urged his party to stick to the plan and told backbenchers that the economy is turning a corner. he was to speak out after was forced to speak out after rumours suggested right wing tories lining up penny tories were lining up penny mordaunt replace him . in mordaunt to replace him. in coventry, the prime minister announced plans to create 20,000 new apprenticeships. rishi sunak pledged £60 million of new investment to cover a series of reforms, including fully funding training for young people and cutting red tape for small businesses. labour has accused the government of economic failure, but mr sunak says action is being taken and the full cost of apprenticeships will be paid for people aged under 21 at small firms from the 1st of april. small business owners have welcomed the move . owners have welcomed the move. >> i think the apprenticeship, payment in full would be fantastic. we've had an apprentice before. she did

phenomenally well and but funds have been quite tight the last couple of years and that's not something that i've been able to enter into again, although i want to. that will be is benefit. >> i think there's lots of positives in there . i think positives in there. i think there's some great stuff for helping small businesses for our business. >> we need a bit more for the small businesses in the uk will see it as to what it is. it's probably a last ditch effort to get some confidence back. i don't enough. don't think he's done enough. i don't think he's done enough. i don't think he's done enough. i don't think it's going to give the confidence to small businesses. >> other news, the foreign >> in other news, the foreign secretary has criticised the russian election result, saying it fair . early it wasn't free and fair. early results showed president vladimir putin won nearly 88% of the vote, giving him a fifth time in office. defence secretary grant shapps says he's behaving like a modern day stalin, and he accused putin of stealing the election after having opponents imprisoned or murdered. thousands of people turned polling stations in turned up at polling stations in russia and in cities across the world to protest the result. the

kremlin responded by promising to taking part to imprison anyone taking part for up to five years. former kremlin adviser and russian exile valery morozov says that there is no viable opposition to . putin. and britain's most successful female olympian, dame laura kenny, has announced her retirement from professional cycling. the athlete posted the news on instagram saying it was time to move on. the five time gold medallist had been expected to compete at the paris games this summer. the year old this summer. the 31 year old welcomed her second son last year and said spending time at home with her family was proving more to her. and we more important to her. and we could see flying taxis to take the skies in two years. under the skies in two years. under the government's new drones plan , the department for transport is proposing flying taxis without pilots on board by 2030 as part of its future flight action plan . it says the venture

action plan. it says the venture would mean the adoption of technology that was once confined to the realms of science and fiction . for the science and fiction. for the latest stories , sign up to gb latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gb news. com slash alerts . now it's news. com slash alerts. now it's back to . martin. back to. martin. >> write. busy week ahead. busy day ahead. let's get cracking. and our top story this hour. gb news understands that the first set of illegal migrants that we put on a deportation flight to rwanda are already being identified by the government, and it comes as rishi sunak's flagship scheme is being discussed in the commons today. and that debate started around about half an hour ago. and of course, the big vote is around about 8 pm. tonight. we'll have that all throughout the show. well, joining me now to discuss this political this is gb news political correspondent, olivia utley. i'm

also joined in the studio by conservative mp for bassetlaw. brendan to brendan clarke—smith. welcome to both . let's start with both of you. let's start with you live. it feels like groundhog ping pong groundhog day. more ping pong than a youth club. it's been going and round round. going round and round and round. can we expect a resolution at last? >> well, does sound like we >> well, it does sound like we probably resolution probably will get a resolution tonight. lords tonight. there are ten lords amendments which are going to be debated in the commons today. those lords amendments are essentially aimed at of essentially aimed at sort of watering bill. we watering down the bill. we pretty much know the conservatives have a big majority in the house of commons. james cleverly wants to get amendments get all of those amendments voted down. it looks very, very likely that he will succeed in that. there are a couple of conservative gone conservative mps who've gone on the and said that they the record and said that they are mulling the prospect of are mulling over the prospect of rebelling . one is robert rebelling. one of them is robert buckland, justice buckland, who former justice secretary who quite likes the look of one of the amendments, which would stipulate that rwanda has to implement a treaty to bolster its own immigration system could be system before migrants could be sent there. but on the whole, it looks very, very likely that this bill is going to get

through tonight. that it's through tonight. that said, it's not the end of the road. it's not the end of the road. it's not the end of the problems for rishi sunak at all. the kigali administration is actually saying like to saying that it would like to only 100 or so migrants only have 100 or so migrants come in the first few months of this scheme because they want a while for the for the scheme to sort of bed in. so rishi sunak's plan to get those flights off the ground before the may elections and get a little boost before those local elections, looks like it's probably not going to go that well, even if some migrants take off, probably won't be enough to get that boost. he's hoping for pragmatic i >> realistically, what's the mood within the conservative party? i'll ask this further in a minute. but what's the mood within the party that you talk to the actual of to about the actual chances of getting a single, solitary human to rwanda? know that to rwanda? we know that christopher hope backed rishi sunak a single pint of beer that it wouldn't happen. i reckon that pint safe. what's the mood on before to on the ground before we get to brendan? mean, no one, brendan? i mean, almost no one, apart from those in rishi's real inner it's

inner circle, think that it's likely that any flights will get off ground the election. >> some people think that there might be sort of 1 or 2 people who go to rwanda, but there is a there a appeals system sort there is a appeals system sort of baked the legislation as of baked into the legislation as it . so there would be a it stands. so there would be a sort of six week delay even after those first flights take off. have the issue off. and then you have the issue off. and then you have the issue of itself, and then you of rwanda itself, and then you have the issue of lawyers trying to poke holes in the legislation. so it does look very, i mean , i very, very unlikely. i mean, i don't know you, brendan, don't know about you, brendan, but think the in the but i think the mood in the conservative party almost conservative party is almost never there are 20 never been bleaker. there are 20 points behind in the polls , 23 points behind in the polls, 23 according to the latest one, 23 points behind in the polls , and points behind in the polls, and there's talk about, you know, installing, someone like penny mordaunt before the next election of final roll election as a kind of final roll of the dice, but it's not looking good. and pretty much everyone knows that now. >> clarke—smith . >> okay. brendan clarke—smith. i'm afraid at this point, captain, i have to turn to you on that bleak moment. the rwanda bill. resigned bill. of course, you resigned over as the deputy chair. over that as the deputy chair. do you think, looking back, it

would been it? oh, would have been worth it? oh, i think was worth it to make think it was worth it to make the think been the point. i think i've been fairly consistent this idea fairly consistent with this idea about clauses. fairly consistent with this idea abotwe clauses. fairly consistent with this idea abotwe had clauses. fairly consistent with this idea abotwe had ielsewhere and we we've had that elsewhere as well with legislation. and the we've the biggest worry that we've really got, martin, is that, you know, will jump in know, the lawyers will jump in even we pass it tonight. so even if we pass it tonight. so that was that my concern. that was that was my concern. now if we get a plane off, great. now we're not looking at sending and thousands sending thousands and thousands of to rwanda. it's going sending thousands and thousands of be to rwanda. it's going sending thousands and thousands of be a to rwanda. it's going sending thousands and thousands of be a small1wanda. it's going sending thousands and thousands of be a small number, t's going sending thousands and thousands of be a small number, ideally; sending thousands and thousands of be a small number, ideally it to be a small number, ideally it will create quite a hoo—ha. i think we do get plane on think if we do get a plane on the runway and ideally off the runway with people in runway as well, with people in it. so i do think there is a chance there. i do hope the legislation did vote legislation works. i did vote for at third reading. i did for it at third reading. i did think insurance policy think it was an insurance policy with that amendment that we did want to put through there, but i do think that i'll also give us a the polls eventually. a boost in the polls eventually. but thing but it's not the only thing we're to it's not we're going to do. it's not going solve illegal migration going to solve illegal migration purely its own, it's just purely on its own, but it's just one that we're one of the methods that we're using it down. i've using to bring it down. i've been all along, i think been saying all along, i think there's of there's more chance of me getting there getting to the moon than there is getting to is an asylum seeker getting to rwanda, and i'm not being

negative. i just look through the prism of history. as you just alluded to, the lords, the lawyers, the luvvies, the charities , the ngos, the media charities, the ngos, the media establishment, the entire system, the archbishops, the church of england just seem existentially opposed this. why do you think that is? why are they so opposed to something which you know what, it might not be the most direct route of solving it, but taking back control of our borders has been voted for since every time since 2010. time and time again, the electorate wants something to happen. why don't the rest of the people. happen. why don't the rest of the yeah,.e. happen. why don't the rest of the yeah, this is all about open >> yeah, this is all about open borders, it? >> yeah, this is all about open bor it rs, it? >> yeah, this is all about open bor it rs, i'whether you want >> it depends whether you want to control or not. to take back control or not. now, i've long made the argument that very, very difficult that it's very, very difficult for operate within the for us to operate within the what the blair legal what i call the blair era legal framework we that framework that we had. that includes act that includes a human rights act that we brought in 1998. of we brought in in 1998. of course, it's been thrown course, when it's been thrown out by the courts, it's our own courts that have actually been doing it. it's not even got as far echr because we've far as the echr because we've been that. so

been implementing that. so perhaps when we come along and we our manifesto, what we look at our manifesto, what we're actually going to go to the country with, may the country with, we may be having about having a wider discussion about that whether that ihra legislation or whether we stay in the echr or not. all right, local elections are right, the local elections are coming up in may and that's, you know, a bit terrifying, know, becoming a bit terrifying, i think, for quite a lot of conservative mps that i've spoken to, it looks like the conservatives do conservatives are going to do very, they do, do very, very badly if they do, do you maybe be you think maybe that would be the to roll the dice and the moment to roll the dice and try a new leader? >> i think we get to the point where we look daft. >> i think if there's constant navel are sick navel gazing and people are sick of don't see of us fighting, they don't see that unity and divided that that unity and divided parties win elections. parties don't win elections. and we a broad church. we have we are a broad church. we have got to do things together. people remember i was there to the very end with johnson. the very end with boris johnson. that work out very well that didn't work out very well for us. we had liz truss for a short time and then since then the polls have down the polls have just gone down and down. so i think if and down and down. so i think if we to change again, i think we were to change again, i think that there's serious that there's a there's serious questions are that there's a there's serious questitos are that there's a there's serious questitos asking are that there's a there's serious questitos asking and are that there's a there's serious questitos asking and how; going to be asking and how professional we look now with those local elections. bear in

mind the last time that those places election, we places were up for election, we did well . so that would did quite well. so that would suggest terms losses, suggest in terms of losses, it's maybe it's kind of baked in almost that it's going to be quite a difficult time. there'll be a lot of councillors going out there. we've a of out there. we've got a couple of mayoral elections as well, so i would expect that to be difficult. need difficult. i think we do need a bounce that may bounce before then, that may mitigate it a bit, but i think if you're talking about rolling the dice now , i think that could the dice now, i think that could also have some consequences to a lot continue, no also have some consequences to a lot to continue, no also have some consequences to a lot to you continue, no also have some consequences to a lot to you in continue, no also have some consequences to a lot to you in your ntinue, no doubt to you in your constituency. certainly constituency. they certainly do when switch the when we when we switch on the emails the emails here, and that is the conservative voters just want a leader who's a true conservative and you've been voting along the lines of suella braverman lines of your suella braverman and your kemi badenoch. so these are the sort of people that yourself and your former colleague lee anderson were, were, backing in your were, were backing in your heart. do you not think it's time to actually be properly conservative? again, loyalty is one thing, but you can be loyal as a ship sinks and where will it get you apart from the bottom

of the sea? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> i mean, we want to see migration want migration controlled. we want low i believe in things low taxes. i believe in things like personal freedoms. i don't like personal freedoms. i don't like telling people to what do or banning things all the time. and these are principles and these are the principles that we've joined the conservative party for. i joined because thatcher. because of margaret thatcher. that was very much my outlook on life now is rishi sunak a real conservative? yes, he is, i think he is. but if think absolutely. he is. but if you look at what he's had to deal with, we've had covid where we spent 400 billion. that is really, really restricting what he do in terms cuts he can do in terms of tax cuts and keeping inflation down. so i do think you have give people do think you have to give people a chance there. but a bit of a chance there. but we've also got to be realistic with constraints that with those constraints that we're working within. but certainly, very certainly, you know, as a very blue i've blue blooded conservative, i've been a member for 25 years now. >> my whole adult life, people can guess how old i am at home, probably with but yeah, probably with that, but yeah, i think i think that's the thing, really. pull really. conservatives pull together and i think the public have seen us not pulling together. and that's why our polling as bad as it i've polling is as bad as it is. i've got ask about lee got to ask you about lee anderson, pair of got to ask you about lee and resigned pair of

got to ask you about lee and resigned over pair of got to ask you about lee and resigned over this pair of got to ask you about lee and resigned over this rwanda you resigned over this rwanda bill, and sat in bill, you both came and sat in this studio together. you this studio together. and you and as thieves and him, you're thick as thieves . you deputy chair . i mean, you were deputy chair together. good buddies, together. you're good buddies, i know. after crossed know. even even after he crossed the had with the floor. you had a pint with him. you're name is talked about a lot on this reform nine. those who might cross over you did, however, put a very amusing message on for social media about that. tell the viewers in case they missed it. okay. yeah, obviously. really disappointing point to see lee go is a good friend of mine still remains a good friend of mine. and i think if we have kept him on if we could have kept him on board, have been board, that would have been great, had whip board, that would have been great, away had whip board, that would have been great, away and had whip board, that would have been great, away and hasad whip board, that would have been great, away and has made whip board, that would have been great, away and has made his p taken away and has made his decision. and that's a that's a great shame , people are clearly great shame, people are clearly going link with reforms in going to link me with reforms in as we such good, good mates or policy wise or whatever , get policy wise or whatever, get along very well with nigel, get along very well with nigel, get along well with richard. >> but i've never actually met richard in person. i know there's a lot of speculation about. people had about. well, people have had dinners everybody and all dinners with everybody and all this inn. yeah, exactly. this holiday inn. yeah, exactly. complete nonsense. i think we've appeared on television a couple of and that's

of times together, and that's it. so, you know, phone ringing off it does with it. so, you know, phone ringing off things it does with it. so, you know, phone ringing off things . it does with it. so, you know, phone ringing off things . andioes with it. so, you know, phone ringing off things . and theywith it. so, you know, phone ringing off things . and they want to these things. and they want to know and, ever. i thought know and, and ever. so i thought actually , it'd be a bit mischievous. >> so put a statement out, put a link on there to follow. >> and, well, was it rick rolling, as you call it, a link to a rick astley video. >> so apparently i journo's messaging me. >> you got me with that >> so yeah, you got me with that one. and it a link to never one. and it was a link to never gonna you up. so was gonna give you up. so that was youn gonna give you up. so that was your, your your god of your, your was your god of message . you're going to give message. you're going to give you you're going stick with you you're going to stick with the yeah. the conservatives. yeah. somebody said two thousand and seven joke seven called. they want the joke back. yeah, yeah, there back. but yeah, yeah, i'm there for think with me, you for life. i think with me, you know, ever got to the know, if it ever got to the stage where was stage where i was that frustrated, know, would do frustrated, you know, i would do something break something else. and take a break with probably with it. i think i'd probably have bury with my have to bury me with my membership think. so membership card, i think. so what's tonight? what's going to happen tonight? 8:00, , it feels like 8:00, again, it feels like groundhog day. you're expecting to over the to get this rwanda bill over the line tonight? think line tonight? i would think so, yeah, there'd a fair yeah, i think there'd be a fair amount pushback , with those amount of pushback, with those in lords who are voting in the lords who are voting against and primarily labour against it and primarily labour lords and the members the lords and the members of the clergy and so on who are in

there. i don't think people at home are too impressed that this legislation being frustrated. home are too impressed that this l

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welcome back 323 is your time. i'm martin daubney, and this is gb news. now london's population has surged to a new record high after a sharp rise in migration and a reversal of the covid era race for space. new research from a think tank, centre for cities found that the capital had almost certainly surpassed its pre—pandemic peak of 10.1 million people. a large increase in international migration explained the majority of the

increase over the last two years, the report found. i'm delighted to say i'm now joined in the studio by the executive director of migration watch, doctor mike jones. welcome to the show. always a pleasure to have you. so on the one hand, people say, who'd want to live in london? the answer is a lot of people. and 10.1 million now. and this been driven in and this has been driven in large part by a surge in people from overseas coming to the caphal from overseas coming to the capital, placing huge strain on pubuc capital, placing huge strain on public services. >> that's correct. >> that's correct. >> i mean, the centre for cities , they looked at numbers between mid 2019 and mid 2021, and they found a population increase in london of around 75 million. however, that was pretty much reversed. the year after. >> we had a population increase of 66 million thousand. >> yeah, 66,000. >> yeah, 66,000. >> even . that would be too much >> even. that would be too much for london. so 75,000 left dunng for london. so 75,000 left during the covid period, 66,000 came in. but that's just grown and grown and grown. >> it has precisely. >> it has precisely. >> and they identified two

factors that contributed to this population increase , you know, population increase, you know, changes in work habits and people moving out of the capital on the one hand, and also international migration. >> although the report tended to kick that into the long grass, it focussed very much on working habhs it focussed very much on working habits and relocation and what that's had is an impact at grassroots level. >> i believe he has some information about some of the waiting lists now that people are facing in certain areas of london. >> oh yes. i mean, the evening standard did an investigative research into, you know, trust research into, you know, a trust in north west london. >> and they found that, you know, waiting times for operations were around 18 months. >> so obviously immigration does have an impact on the quality of life . you know, london is more life. you know, london is more dishevelled, more congested . and dishevelled, more congested. and we're living in smaller homes, renting in smaller flats. but it also poses a risk to people's lives simply because of the pressure on waiting lists and people might say, oh, you know,

it's london, why should i care about london? >> but this is being replicated across the country because of course, flock urban course, people flock to urban areas where areas because that's where the work . that places huge work is. that places huge pressure on housing, schools , pressure on housing, on schools, on dentists, on gps. we all know that. and this is something which isn't going to end any time soon. >> no it's not. i mean, you've got to remember, in 2020, net migration was around , migration was around, 90,000, 2022, according to revised ons figures that was around 745,000. so there's been a huge increase there. and we now have a system of points based system that is geared towards mass and restricted migration. and of course, the conservatives haven't changed the legal system, which would allow us to deport illegal migrants crossing the channel as some astonishing figures here as well. >> london makes up 26% of the uk's gdp ,18.5% of all jobs by uk's gdp, 18.5% of all jobs by the end of the decade will be in london. so we're seeing on the

one hand, a huge influx of those from overseas and that internal brain drain, because the regions just aren't being supported. and might the net result of that is a massive pressure on housing. many people now just simply giving up . they'll never be able giving up. they'll never be able to afford to buy a house in london, or perhaps any major city. >> yeah, i mean, it damages people's disposable incomes because people are renting mouldy shoe boxes and spending half their disposable income for for the the pleasure. and obviously starting families is very difficult. people have to move outside of london and it damages productivity because many of the best graduates we have actually to have can't actually afford to move to the capital city or to many the other big cities in many of the other big cities in the uk. so it's damaging disposable incomes it's disposable incomes and it's damaging productivity. >> you, you're >> can i ask you, as you're here, mike, about the rwanda vote this evening? it's been going so long now. i going around so long now. i think most people are losing the will to live, but it they say they're confident. do you think that this has any chance of getting a single person to

rwanda before the next general election? >> i think it's unlikely. >> i think it's unlikely. >> if there are people sent to kigali, they'll be very, very small in number. i mean, the problem is the legislation itself is not bullet proofed from the human rights act. they disapplied various sections, but they didn't disapply section four. and if you don't disapply section four and a complaint is made to the higher courts, they can issue what's called a declaration of incompatibility. and you know, the rwanda plan is deadin and you know, the rwanda plan is dead in the water. >> if that happens and a section four for those who don't know that gave ostensibly supremacy of law above any foreign of british law above any foreign jurisdiction. so therefore we could say, yeah, it would be guided by those guidelines until a point. but they didn't push through with that. that's what one of the revolts about, one of the revolts was about, that man brendan that our man brendan clarke—smith anderson clarke—smith and lee anderson resigned watered resigned over. that got watered down. so the plan that's going up for vote today , it still has up for vote today, it still has the cat flap open to legal

challenges. the lords, the lawyers, the charities, the archbishops. they'll do their very best to derail it. >> yeah, absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> and, there's another problem with with the bill itself . it with with the bill itself. it hasn't disapplied section four, but it has something called clause four. so this allows asylum seekers to contest their deportation. now, an asylum seeker can't say , hey, listen seeker can't say, hey, listen rwanda's and say, if i don't want to go there , but if they want to go there, but if they say rwanda is safe for me personally because of my individual circumstances, i.e. irreparable harm , they can irreparable harm, they can contest that and the lawyers have to take that very seriously. and there will be an evidence gathering process as a result. >> and we've seen, for example, people converting to christianity suddenly coming out as lgbtq+ and there's a feeling that the system is being gamed so people can remain , have the so people can remain, have the right to leave in the uk. and meanwhile they're sort of laughing all the way to the bank. >> yeah, i mean, there's suella

braverman said the system is figged braverman said the system is rigged against majority opinion. it's been democratised, but all of this, you know, the ngos, the activist lawyers, the blob, if you like, all of this is downstream of the legal system of the human rights act. and for whatever reason, the conservatives have chosen not to amend or abolish it. and this is where all the problems stem from. instead, priti patel went ahead with the rwanda plan , you ahead with the rwanda plan, you know, this third safe country, we could deport people to, but they hoped on a wing and a prayer that the courts and the lawyers wouldn't get involved. but boy, were they wrong . but oh boy, were they wrong. >> yeah. and let's see. thank you very much for joining us >> yeah. and let's see. thank you very much forjoining us in the that's the the studio. and that's the executive director migration executive director of migration watch jones. watch uk, doctor mike jones. thank you. always a pleasure. of course we'll that huge course we'll have that huge debate the show ahead debate throughout the show ahead of vote at 8 pm. of that massive vote at 8 pm. rwanda or bust. do you think it's going to happen? well, there's lots more still to come between now and 4:00. and that's

the point i'm talking about coming up as rwanda bill is debated the commons this debated in the commons this afternoon, yvette afternoon, labour's yvette cooper has spoken exclusively to gb news about how she'll deal with illegal migrants. and we'll hear what she has to say shortly on this show, she spoke to chris hope earlier. but first, it's your latest news headlines with polly . polly middlehurst. >> the top stories this hour. >> the top stories this hour. >> the top stories this hour. >> the government has started to identify which illegal migrants will be the first on a flight to rwanda, downing street says the initial cohort of people are now being contacted , with the prime being contacted, with the prime minister still determined to see the first plane departing later this spring. mps are due to vote this spring. mps are due to vote this evening on ten changes to the rwanda bill made by peers in the rwanda bill made by peers in the house of lords . meanwhile, the house of lords. meanwhile, the house of lords. meanwhile, the prime minister has rebuffed speculation about a leadership challenge, saying he's not interested in westminster politics. >> speaking at a business event

in warwickshire, rishi sunak urged his party to stick to the plan and told backbenchers that the economy is turning a corner . the economy is turning a corner. >> he was forced to speak out after rumours suggested right wing tories were lining up penny mordaunt to him . and at mordaunt to replace him. and at an event in coventry, the prime minister announced plans to create 20,000 new apprenticeships. rishi sunak pledged £60 million of new investment to cover a series of reforms, including fully funded funding , training for young funding, training for young people and cutting red tape for small businesses . people and cutting red tape for small businesses. he people and cutting red tape for small businesses . he says the small businesses. he says the government will pay the full cost of apprenticeships for people aged 21 or under at small firms from the 1st of april and in the united states . the former in the united states. the former president, barack obama, has not long arrived in downing street for an undisclosed private meeting. mr obama , who served in meeting. mr obama, who served in the white house from 2009 to 2017, smiled and waved before entering number 10 around half an hour ago, a whitehall source saying that he's there for an informal meeting with rishi

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heanng polly. coming up, we'll be hearing from the shadow home secretary, yvette cooper, on how labour will deal with illegal immigrants coming to the uk. she's been speaking to our political editor, chris hope. look forward to that one. they've got a new plan, apparently thousands of extra apparently of thousands of extra workers to deal with this issue. we'll after this . i'm we'll hear more after this. i'm martin gb

welcome back. it's 337. i'm martin daubney on gb news. now. you can see some pictures here of barack obama arriving at downing street for an undisclosed private meeting . apparently. now, you meeting. apparently. now, you remember the last time this gentleman was here? he was the president, april 2016. and he gave a stern warning. you may well recall that britain would be at the back of the queue if we decided to vote brexit. well, we decided to vote brexit. well, we did for vote brexit. and here's mr obama again, entering

the door of downing street. what would his message be this time ? would his message be this time? there's a huge election of course, coming up in november for a future president. he's tagged on tightly to joe biden . tagged on tightly to joe biden. what could be going on there? exciting stuff. we'll have more as out throughout the as we find out throughout the show . now, prime minister rishi show. now, prime minister rishi sunak sets out plans to support female entrepreneurs, cut red tape for businesses and boost apprenticeships while speaking at an event early today in the midlands. rishi sunak has pledged to create up to 20,000 more apprenticeships, promising to pay the full cost for people aged 21 or under from the start of april . well, joining us now of april. well, joining us now is gb news economics and business editor liam halligan with on the money . liam, welcome with on the money. liam, welcome to the show. always an absolute pleasure . yeah. happy monday to pleasure. yeah. happy monday to you.so pleasure. yeah. happy monday to you. so rishi sunak is out and about sending out some very, very positive messages. what's your take. >> happy monday to you too

martin. look, when politicians start talking about how much they respect and want to help small businesses, you know there's an election coming up quite soon because small business owners, people at work, at businesses , they tend at small businesses, they tend to be swing voters. they tend to be non—ideological , very be non—ideological, very pragmatic, practical, hard working who will vote for working people who will vote for anyone who who they believe is going to make the economy better and going to make their small business better . we have a business work better. we have a tremendous number small tremendous number of small businesses country . businesses in this country. let's have a look with some of the statistics, it the money statistics, because it wouldn't without wouldn't be on the money without some got some statistics. we've got a graphic gb news graphic here and gb news listeners can bear with me as i go through it. there you go. graphic you can still see me. what more do you want in the world? martin million small world? martin 5.5 million small and enterprises in and medium sized enterprises in the uk, roughly up to sort of 50 or 100 employees. the prime minister announced today at this business connect meeting in the midlands , that he wants to

midlands, that he wants to allocate £60 million for 20,000 more apprenticeships . i have to more apprenticeships. i have to say that's not a lot of cash, that's £3,000 a pop, £3,000 that's £3,000 a pop, £3,000 that's going to pay an apprentice for maybe, you know, 2 or 3 months. an apprenticeship should last at least two years. he wants to slash regulation for smes , small and medium sized smes, small and medium sized enterprises. and that is something that downing street is at pains to point out is a brexit brucey bonus . we couldn't brexit brucey bonus. we couldn't have done that, say officials, unless we were free of the european union single market rules . and also, as you rules. and also, as you mentioned in your introduction, there a new task force for women setting up small and medium sized enterprises . liz, i don't sized enterprises. liz, i don't think that's, you know, necessarily a kind of touchy feely piece of identity politics because the evidence shows that women are really, really good at starting small businesses when they actually start them. but

country, martin. our small businesses are the backbone of the economy. they account for half of our gdp. that's all goods and services produced in each year . goods and services produced in each year. and they employ two thirds of us. and yet what we're not very good at here in the uk is our small businesses becoming big businesses, becoming world beating businesses , because beating businesses, because we're not very good at getting finance behind them. the banks have almost abandoned , financing have almost abandoned, financing small businesses. a lot of investors think small businesses aren't worth the candle. there aren't worth the candle. there are some angel investors that back small businesses, but we've got to do better at getting real money into the best small businesses . i heard a lot of businesses. i heard a lot of good things from prime minister rishi sunak in this speech, and i do believe i do believe that his affection for and desire to prioritise small businesses is genuine. he comes from a small business background himself as do i, as we've often discussed. but i want to see a lot more

about the real issue about small businesses late payment, the fact that big suppliers , big fact that big suppliers, big businesses often squeeze small businesses often squeeze small businesses that they subcontract out with in order the small businesses don't become big arrivals . and that overall arrivals. and that overall overwhelming problem, small businesses being able to get hold of finance to grow. because when small businesses grow, often productivity grows , wealth often productivity grows, wealth grows, the economy grows, creates the tax revenue that makes everything else possible. so much innovation goes on in our small businesses. particular emphasis should be or particular recognition should be given how many people of immigrant stock, my family included paddy's from the west of ireland. i can say that. which does saint patrick's day weekend coming over to the uk and building businesses, employing and adding to employing people and adding to the wealth and gaiety of the nafion the wealth and gaiety of the nation and many other immigrant communities, asian business communities, the asian business community, the chinese community right across the board and of course, many people have been in the uk for generations. we are a

nafion the uk for generations. we are a nation of shopkeepers, as has sometimes been said, in a way of making fun of us. but we're good at small businesses. it's right the prime minister is emphasising them. but i don't think all things he think for all the things he announced today, i don't think the emphasis on apprenticeships , the emphasis on apprenticeships, there was no real money to back that up and he needs to really grab the big issues affect grab the big issues that affect small businesses, late small businesses, namely late payment and sources of finance and liam, you talked about a brucey bonus. >> you talked about a brexit bonus. what about something bigger? something more bold? what about cutting the corporation tax in a nimble way? we saw that in ireland. in cyprus, that's the kind of thing we were promised. and yet we still have a prohibitively high corporation tax. liam, that's choking businesses at soui’ce. >> source. >> well, if i can go from being a reporting what rishi sunak says to giving my view, if i may, and this is a personal view. i've written a lot in my sunday telegraph column over

recent months. the tax cuts that i think the prime minister should be emphasising, and they are indeed focussed firstly on business, i think 25% corporation tax is too high. i think there's a laffer curve in corporation tax. what does that mean? it means that when you lower the rates of corporation tax, you increase the amount of revenue you get from that tax because you have more businesses doing more, you don't squeeze businesses existence , or businesses out of existence, or you don't hinder those that already exist to do less. and then the other big tax cut i think should happen , and this is think should happen, and this is for me, the most equitable tax cut you could possibly do, the one that will benefit the greatest number of people is you need to raise that personal threshold from 12.5 grand to 20 odd grand, because if you're paying odd grand, because if you're paving, odd grand, because if you're paying , you know, when you earn paying, you know, when you earn more than 12.5 grand, you start paying more than 12.5 grand, you start paying tax. and with all respect, you know, £1,000 a month is not a huge wage in my view. if you're earning £1,000 a

month, you're probably on benefits anyway . the state benefits anyway. the state should not be taking lumps out of you. not at all. particularly not if you want to do a bit of overtime that pushes you into that threshold. we want to encourage over encourage people to do over time. encourage time. we want to encourage people income people with these lower income with respect they're with huge respect jobs. they're often time workers helping often part time workers helping families ends meet and families to make ends meet and get through the ups and downs. the little extras for the kids that make life worth living. let's raise that personal threshold boldly decisive . now threshold boldly decisive. now the bean counters in whitehall will say, oh, we couldn't possibly do that. that will cost too but they don't too much money. but they don't emphasise it enough, in my view, that what we the that what we call the behavioural effects, how a tax change affect how change will affect how people actually . so i agree with actually behave. so i agree with you, martin. i think the tories , you, martin. i think the tories, if they're going to have any chance of making a fist of really challenging labour who are now 2025 points are consistently now 2025 points aheadin are consistently now 2025 points ahead in the polls, they've got to be bold. there's a silent majority out there. in my view, this is my experience 25 years plus as a journalist. crikey 30

years as a journalist. i'm older than i look, it's my experience that many people out there, the silent majority, they want lower taxes, they want smarter taxes. they want to be able to make money, create wealth, generate security for themselves. their families. they want to contribute to their communities and in my view, the tories should be doing more to really emphasise that they are on the side of those people . so, i side of those people. so, i would say for rishi sunak, his speech in coventry today, i think it came from the right place . but he needs to be place. but he needs to be bolder, gay, superb serve as even bolder, gay, superb serve as ever. liam halligan always on the money, always a pleasure. and never a chore. and coming up, we'll be hearing from a small business owner on what rishi sunak's plans could mean for them. you're with martin daubney

gb news. welcome back. it's 349. i'm martin daubney on gb news now. rishi sunak says he will cut red tape for small businesses during his speech at the business connect conference in warwickshire early today. the prime said things were prime minister said things were still tough for small businesses but insisted that the government's plan was starting to work well. gb news presenter pip tomson is with a small business owner now in nuneaton. pip, welcome to the show. so let's find out. did rishi sunak give enough away today to content that small business owner where you are on the ground in nuneaton? let's find out . out. >> good afternoon to you martin. well i met this small business owner, joe williams, a little earlier at a small business boot camp run by the federation of small businesses. anyway we got chatting and she said, come out to nuneaton, come and see my gift shop. so i'm here now. it's been just off the high street

for nine years. there's also a bed centre here as well, employs five members of staff, has just today been renominated for great gift retailer of the year. so it's got a nomination and a visit from gb news all on the same day. there's all sorts of goodies in here as well. joe also sells online when she was very interested to watch about what rishi sunak said. but has it satisfied you , joe? it satisfied you, joe? >> yeah, the news about the apprenticeships is fantastic news, we've had an apprentice previously and she went on to win apprentice of the year and star pupil of the year for the whole of the college for nuneaton, north warwickshire and hinckley . and went hinckley. and she went from being quiet to having being really quiet to having oodles of confidence. she's you know, she's gone on, she's done amazing. and so the government paying amazing. and so the government paying for thousands more apprenticeships for you is a goen apprenticeships for you is a goer. absolutely we want to support youngsters coming out of school and, and older who want to get into retail and learn the

ins and outs. it's not just a case of serving customers behind a till. >> something kemi badenoch said earlier the earlier was that the government's doing everything it can charge small can to turbo charge small businesses . please, do you see businesses. please, do you see that? i mean, what challenges do you face? >> the biggest challenge at the moment or two of the biggest challenges are footfall . and challenges are footfall. and nuneaton is undergoing lots of redevelopment, which is fantastic and we'll be great in the future. but while the development is happening, our footfall halved footfall has literally halved while has been while the car park has been closed and it's been redeveloped and massive , impact on and the other massive, impact on us is the cost of electric, which has gone from £250 a month and it can sometimes hit £700 a month and that is phenomenal. increase and that's something that we've having to budget for going forward . going forward. >> so that is a huge rise, isn't it? what about this raising of the vat threshold that's supposed to be a help . does it supposed to be a help. does it help you? >> unfortunately not. because we're above the threshold . so it we're above the threshold. so it would be good to have some sort

of incentive to have it graded as you get more turnover rather than set everybody than being set for everybody above that threshold. so that would be something i would be keen to for to look into. keen to for them to look into. >> is a tory >> nuneaton. it is a tory constituency. it's been tory since 2010. sizeable majority of 13,000 have. what you've heard today has what you've heard today has what you've heard today mean that the tories will get your vote at the election? >> it's really difficult to say. they are positive news. and you know , hopefully this will be know, hopefully this will be a positive thing for small businesses , but i need to see businesses, but i need to see what the other parties are going to bring to the offer. >> do you know what labour might be offering? have you heard anything? because i'm not sure. we have, not yet, especially in this for small businesses. this for the small businesses. >> so it would be interesting to see come up with to see what they come up with to support that support the businesses that really country going really keep the country going and what do you need? >> would you say, more than anything, if rishi sunak could have, you know, if you'd have written his speech today, what would in

would you have put in it? >> some with vat , >> some help with the vat, corporation tax, especially for the businesses that are literally just above the thresholds because it's a massive, cost to small businesses , and if you could do businesses, and if you could do anything about footfall, especially in nuneaton , because especially in nuneaton, because i'm a champion of nuneaton, is please can we have our car park back? >> well, that is a problem in many town centres. is where you blooming park parking is at a premium in so many places. >> absolutely , originally the >> absolutely, originally the plans, which are directly opposite our shop, were to have a multi—storey car park, but funds are getting tied up and rather than bankrupting the council , that has been scrapped council, that has been scrapped and we're now getting a flat car park. but to be fair, most of our customers prefer a flat car park to a multi—storey. so come on, let's get it done. >> okay, i'm sure lots of people relate to what you're saying >> okay, i'm sure lots of people relate so what you're saying >> okay, i'm sure lots of people relate so there you're saying >> okay, i'm sure lots of people relate so there you�*e saying >> okay, i'm sure lots of people relate so there you go, aying >> okay, i'm sure lots of people relate so there you go, martin. there. so there you go, martin. that's the view of one business owner here in nuneaton . i'm owner here in nuneaton. i'm going go because i want to going to go because i want to have poke

have a little poke around. there's little goodies there's so many little goodies in here. >> f- f— e thank you to pip >> super. so thank you to pip tomson there in nuneaton. and also her on the also joe williams get her on the apprentice. knows what she's apprentice. she knows what she's talking about. now coming up we'll hearing from labour we'll be hearing from labour shadow home secretary yvette cooper party's plan to cooper on the party's plan to tackle the migration crisis. a bold plan coming out. a thousand people apparently would be making sure that we get people out of the country . and i'll be out of the country. and i'll be the first time that yvette cooper has spoken to gb news. looking forward to that. i'm martin gb but martin daubney on gb news. but first, weather with first, it's your weather with aidan . aidan mcgivern. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hi there and welcome to the gb news forecast from the met office. it's a fine end to the day in the east with some bright sunshine, but turning cloudy in the west with outbreaks of rain heading in weather fronts out to

the west already bringing thicker cloud into northern ireland. and those outbreaks of rain will soon sweeping and they'll push into western scotland, western fringes of england as well as wales. the wind picking up gales for exposed parts of western scotland and the rain by the end of the night, reaching central and southeastern parts of the uk. but tending to fizzle out as it crosses the country. ten celsius by dawn. so the cloud, the wind and the rain tending to keep things relatively mild . but keep things relatively mild. but it will be a damp start to the day in many spots. however soon enough the cloud will lift and break the rain clears to showers. showers could occur just about anywhere, but most likely across parts of the midlands into the south of the uk. some bright spells there for northern ireland and scotland into the afternoon. temperatures here 12 celsius further south, mild again 17 or 18 celsius in the south—east. wednesday

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gb news. >> a very good afternoon to you. and a very happy monday. it's 4 pm. and welcome to the martin daubney show on gb news. broadcasting live from the heart of westminster, all across the uk. coming up, we have an interview with the shadow home secretary of yvette cooper, and she told us how labour will she has told us how labour will deal with illegal immigration. is it any better than the government's flagship rwanda bill, is fighting for its bill, which is fighting for its life in the house of commons,

ahead of a huge vote at 8 pm. this evening? we'll have that throughout the show and the prime minister, meanwhile, comes out fighting, out his out fighting, setting out his vision to boost small business. but speculation that tory mps are plotting to replace him with penny mordaunt are swirling around the corridors of power , around the corridors of power, and the row over margaret thatcher being listed as a contemporary villain alongside adolf hitler and osama bin laden in the v&a display about punch and judy is that a fair portrayal of the former prime minister, or a gross insult to maggie thatcher's memory and it's easter, so of course we've got easter weather chaos. the two go hand in glove, don't they? are we in for a wet easter weekend? this year? feels like it. that's all. coming up in your next hour . thank you for

your next hour. thank you for joining the show. it's always a pleasure to have your company. so we're about to hear from yvette cooper , the shadow home yvette cooper, the shadow home secretary, and she has a plan that that labour are announcing today of a 1000 strong returns and enforcement unit to swiftly remove failed asylum seekers from the country, including foreign criminals. she has hit out at the calamitous costs, the chaos and collapsing confidence in the conservatives. it sounds like a very conservative policy. we'll have a full exclusive interview on that shortly. i want to hear from you the usual ways . email want to hear from you the usual ways. email me gb views at gb news. com do you trust the labour party on immigration? and anyhow, can it be worse than we've got now? 745,000 last year legally and plus many more by an extra 60,000 through the back doon extra 60,000 through the back door. but before all of that, it's door. but before all of that, wsfime door. but before all of that, it's time for your latest news headunes it's time for your latest news headlines with polly middlehurst.

>> martin, thank you and good evening to you. well, the government has started to identify it says which illegal migrants will be on the first flight downing street flight to rwanda, downing street has said today the initial cohort people is now being cohort of people is now being contacted , with the prime contacted, with the prime minister determined. he minister still determined. he says, to see the first plane leaving this spring. mps leaving later this spring. mps are due to vote this evening as well on ten separate changes to the rwanda bill suggested by peers the house of lords . peers from the house of lords. rishi sunak says he's still committed getting flights off committed to getting flights off the ground. >> it's important that we get the rwanda scheme up and running because we need to have a deterrent, we need make it deterrent, we need to make it clear you come here clear that if you come here illegally, will able illegally, you will not be able to will be able to to stay and we will be able to remove that is the way remove you. that is the only way to properly solve issue to properly solve the issue of illegal now we've to properly solve the issue of illega good now we've to properly solve the issue of illega good progress>w we've to properly solve the issue of illega good progress .v we've to properly solve the issue of illega good progress . both re to properly solve the issue of illega good progress . both numbers made good progress. both numbers were down by a third last year. so that that our plan is so that shows that our plan is working. but in order to finish the need rwanda the job, we need the rwanda scheme through. we are getting it parliament. everyone it through parliament. everyone is us, including

is trying to block us, including the party, because they the labour party, because they don't tackle this don't have a plan to tackle this problem . we do. i determined problem. we do. i am determined to through, get the to see it through, get the deterrent running as deterrent up and running as quickly as possible. >> the prime minister was >> well, the prime minister was also busy announcing plans today to create 20,000 new apprenticeships. he was on a visit coventry in the west visit to coventry in the west midlands. he pledged £60 million worth of new investment to cover a series of reforms , including a series of reforms, including fully funded training for young people and a reduction in red tape for small businesses. labour has accused the government of economic failure, but mr sunak says action is being taken and the full cost of apprenticeships will be offered to applicants aged 21 and under at small firms from the 1st of april. small businesses seem to welcome the move . welcome the move. >> i think the apprenticeship, payment in full would be fantastic. we've had an apprentice before , she did apprentice before, she did phenomenally well and but funds have been quite tight the last couple of years, and that's not something that i have been able to enter into again, although i

want to. so that will be is benefit. >> i think there's lots of positives in there. i think there's some great stuff for helping small businesses. there's some great stuff for helping small businesses . as for helping small businesses. as for our business, we need a bit more for the small businesses in the uk will see it as to what it is. >> it's probably a last ditch effort get some confidence effort to get some confidence back. think done back. i don't think he's done enough. going enough. i don't think it's going to confidence to small to give the confidence to small businesses. >> minister's >> well, the prime minister's been today. he's also been quite busy today. he's also been quite busy today. he's also been rebuffing current speculation about a leadership challenge, saying he's not interested in westminster politics. rishi sunak urged his party to stick to the plan , and party to stick to the plan, and he told backbenchers that the economy is turning a corner. he was forced to speak out, though, after rumours suggested right wing tories were lining up penny mordaunt him . mordaunt to replace him. meanwhile, the former us president barack obama , is president barack obama, is visiting downing street for a private meeting right now. mr obama, who served in the white house from 2009 to 2017, smiled and waved before he went into number 10 about an hour ago.

whitehall source telling gb news he's there for an informal meeting with rishi sunak now. the former environment minister zac goldsmith has been banned for driving for a year. it's after he was caught breaking the speed limit seven times. driving in london between april and november last year. in london between april and november last year . the november last year. the conservative peer was also caught speeding on two motorways, most recently in december. in his hybrid electric car. december. in his hybrid electric can he december. in his hybrid electric car. he pleaded guilty to all the offences and was fined 5500 pounds and ordered to pay a surcharge of £2,000, as well as costs . nine police officers have costs. nine police officers have been recognised for their bravery. they risked their lives rescuing residents from a fire in windsor in berkshire . get back. >> move back from it now! move back. >> move that way, move that way . >> move that way, move that way. >> move that way, move that way. >> if you're listening on radio, we're looking at body cam footage from thames valley police showing the incident at a

caravan in january 2021. caravan park in january 2021. emergency crews were responding to explosions after homes were set alight. sergeant james greehey, who took part in the rescue, said it's the first time he's had a chance to look back at the pictures and properly reflect on just how close he and his colleagues came to death. he said the selfless driven said the selfless act was driven by it the foreign by pure instinct. it the foreign secretary has criticised the russian elections , saying it russian elections, saying it wasn't free and fair. early results show president putin winning nearly 88% of the vote, giving him a fifth time in office. the defence secretary, grant shapps , says he's behaving grant shapps, says he's behaving like a modern day stalin, accusing putin of stealing the election after having opponents imprisoned or murdered. thousands of people turned up at polling stations across russia and in cities across the world to protest against the result. the kremlin responded by threatening to imprison anyone taking part in the process for up to five years. former kremlin

adviser and russian exile valery morozov says there is no viable opposition in russia to putin. >> the problem is that putin is still keeping russia moving, developing or in any case, well, there is no alternative . there there is no alternative. there is no people who who can, who can, who have ideas , other can, who have ideas, other ideas. you have putin, putin, russia is now , if you compare russia is now, if you compare the development of russia, for example , january 20th, 2023 to example, january 20th, 2023 to this january, it is 4.6% development. >> valery mosolov there now britain's most successful female olympian, dame laura kenny, has announced her retirement from professional cycling . the professional cycling. the athlete posted the news on instagram saying it was time to move on. the five time gold medallist had been expected to compete at the paris games this summer, but the 31 year old welcomed her second son last year and said spending time at home with him and her family was

proving more important to her. for the very latest stories, do sign up to gb news alerts . try sign up to gb news alerts. try scanning that qr code on the screen right now or go to gb news. com slash alerts martin back to you . back to you. >> thank you paul. now to our top story. this hour, a shadow home secretary, yvette cooper , home secretary, yvette cooper, has been speaking to gb news. and it comes as the rwanda bill is once again being debated this afternoon , with a vote happening afternoon, with a vote happening later this evening around 8 pm. we believe, and labour has set out its plans on how they would deal with illegal migration as well. >> we need to strengthen our border security and fix the chaos in the asylum system because under the conservatives we've really seen criminal gangs take hold along the channel and then this huge soaring backlog with asylum hotel use that is

costing the taxpayer billions. >> so instead of all the gimmicks that we've had from rishi sunak and the conservatives our plan is to get a grip that starts with the new cross border police to go after the criminal gangs , to smash the the criminal gangs, to smash the gang networks and prevent boats arriving on the french coast in the first place. >> and then it also means setting up a new returns and enforcement unit, because the returns of failed asylum cases have dropped by 40% since the conservatives came to power, that means the rules aren't being enforced. we've got to get a grip of that, and that will be part of our plan to clear the backlog to end asylum hotel use and to save the taxpayer and also to save the taxpayer billions of pounds as well. she'll save billions of pounds to not having people staying in hotel rooms and the like, but what will it cost you? >> thousand strong >> this new thousand strong returns enforcement unit? returns and enforcement unit? >> returns and >> well, the new returns and enforcement unit would likely cost in the tens of millions of pounds , but it would be part of pounds, but it would be part of this plan that would actually save the taxpayer billions of

pounds. at the moment, pounds. because at the moment, the conservative home office has actually bust their budget by more than £5 billion. some of thatis more than £5 billion. some of that is around the asylum hotels. some of this is around the rwanda scheme, which is only going to cover less than 1% of those arriving in the country to the cost of around £2 million per asylum seeker. and that is the british taxpayer writing those checks just as part of the gimmicks, instead of getting a proper grip . proper grip. >> i think i know we're still saying this, but are you saying you would axe the rwanda bill, the plan, even if it works well when you've got a scheme that is costing around half £1 billion to cover, we thought it was going to cover around 300 people. >> what we hear now in the news that it's only likely to cover around 150 people, well , you around 150 people, well, you have more people arriving on boats a day than boats sometimes in a day than that. this is way less than 1. and this is a failing scheme . and this is a failing scheme. all they're trying to do is to get some symbolic flights off

before a general election. those are the words, my words, but are the words, not my words, but the words of the former immigration robert the words of the former immigrewho robert the words of the former immigrewho said robert the words of the former immigrewho said that'sobert the words of the former immigrewho said that's allrt jenrick, who said that's all they're trying to do and all they're trying to do and all they're trying to do and all they're trying to do now is also to try and pay volunteers to fill those because fill those flights because they've got themselves into such a mess. why i think this a mess. that's why i think this just has to be about getting a grip instead. so yes, we would use that money instead of putting the rwanda putting it into the rwanda scheme putting it into scheme to putting it into strengthening our border security , let's actually security instead, let's actually start to try to tackle some of the problem at source and go after those criminal gangs that are making a fortune from putting lives at risk and undermining our border security. >> works there, and maybe >> if it works there, and maybe thousands are taking off before the election, even the november election, even then, might it. then, you might axe it. >> the of appeals >> well, the court of appeals says to be about says it's going to be about 100 people. current immigration people. the current immigration minister has said a few hundred. the former immigration minister said 200. the briefing from the home office said 150 people, you know, look , 80,000 people know, look, 80,000 people appued know, look, 80,000 people applied for asylum last year in

the uk , 2000 people have arrived the uk, 2000 people have arrived in the winter months . we do have in the winter months. we do have to have action to stop these dangerous boat crossings that are putting lives at risk and are putting lives at risk and are undermining our border security , so there has got to be security, so there has got to be a proper plan to go after the criminal gangs. but you know, this scheme has far criminal gangs. but you know, this more scheme has far criminal gangs. but you know, this more homeeme has far criminal gangs. but you know, this more home secretary far criminal gangs. but you know, this more home secretary than sent more home secretary than asylum seekers to rwanda. and i think it's just all about headunes think it's just all about headlines and gimmicks. what we want to see is a proper plan to get a grip. >> your unit is called a returns and enforcement agreement. what is the returns bit mean? you can't do a deal can you? with eu countries you've got to talk to the eu first. >> well there's a series of things it needs to do. so this has got to be about getting new return agreements in place. and that working into that includes working into nationally in order to do that, but also doing the basic casework around individual cases who actually should be being returned at the moment. so the independent borders inspectorate did an inquiry that looked at,

for example, the returns of foreign national offenders and found huge failures just in the bureaucracy, in the technology that they were using. he used at one point, he used the phrase this is no way to run a government. well, you know, i agree with that. this is no way to run a government. and that's why you've got to sort out those systems. so that's why we're saying additional staff in the returns to actually make returns unit to actually make sure that where people have no right to be in the uk, then they are being swiftly returned . are being swiftly returned. >> but can you get deals with, say, france or other individual eu nations , or do you or must eu nations, or do you or must you go via brussels? >> so want to work with >> so we do want to work with france, with other european countries. used to be countries. there used to be agreements that did mean that some people were returned to other european countries. none of that's happening that of that's been happening that that's totally collapsed, even though the government promised it happen. it it hasn't it would happen. it it hasn't happened at all. but i think this is also about recognising that other safe countries across the world that people should be

being returned to and making sure that the rules are being enforced. it did happen. we had much higher levels of returns under the last labour government, so that's why we know it can be done. if you just really practical about this past before brexit too, don't forget in terms of quotas , that's an in terms of quotas, that's an idea that's been mooted. >> 100,000 migrants from eu come here. is that a thing you're looking at the quota idea. >> no, we won't be part of the eu member states quota scheme. we've been very clear about that. we're not an eu member state. going to be an state. we're not going to be an eu member state. brexit is done and we're not going to be part of that. eu member state quota scheme. there has been a lot of stuff made up about this by the conservatives, who i think are just trying to distract from the fact that they are failing. they are really badly failing and it is letting people down. it's undermining our border security. it's putting lives at risk. it's also just costing the taxpayer billions of pounds. they're letting the country down, and

all we get from them is rhetoric, headlines and attempts to blame someone else. we need to blame someone else. we need to get a grip now go. >> and that was yvette cooper speaking to gb news for the first time. superb stuff. and the man who did that, chris hope, gb news political editor, can join me in the studio and i'm also joined studio by i'm also joined in the studio by labour brighton kemptown labour mp for brighton kemptown and peacehaven lloyd russell—moyle. very russell—moyle. thank you very much joining us, gentlemen. much forjoining us, gentlemen. let's start with you, chris. got to say, i saw this policy this morning, having listened to what yvette cooper just had to say, this is the policy that will land well in the red wall. it seems have solutions. it seems to have solutions. it seems to have solutions. it seems much cheaper than seems to be much cheaper than rwanda. speaking rwanda. and she was speaking clearly on the idea that she would get rid of rwanda. it's overpriced , it's not going to overpriced, it's not going to work. and there be some work. and there seems to be some proper detail at last coming out from the labour party today, all viewers listeners want viewers and listeners want martin is something that works, that boats and that does stop the boats and this is a different idea. >> a thousand strong returns and enforcement agreement. she makes the point that the hotels are

costing £8 million of our money every single day. why divert every single day. why not divert some through reforms and some of that through reforms and deaung some of that through reforms and dealing with the dealing with this dealing with this backlog into dealing with trying work out new returns trying to work out new returns agreements, think it's agreements, i think it's interesting . and she was saying, interesting. and she was saying, i said a crucial question if rwanda , will you still axe rwanda works, will you still axe it? and she said, well, it's not going and she cited going to work. and she cited 3 or 4 different sources saying 150 to 3 or 400, and that's all we're to rid on we're going to get rid of on those flights back to back to rwanda here. so, so it rwanda from here. so, so it won't matter. money saved will go different way go into this different way of doing it. >> now, terms of some of the >> now, in terms of some of the details talked cross details you talked about, cross border policing. well, we've had that long time with france that for a long time with france , spent billion on , with spent half £1 billion on that hasn't that year that hasn't particularly worked . but this particularly worked. but this idea of a thousand strong returns enforcement it returns and enforcement unit, it sounds , but how is it sounds impressive, but how is it going to work? >> so if we're the tories here, they would say, well, you can't negotiate bilaterally with european countries. you've european union countries. you've got to go through brussels. and european union countries. you've got thinks hrough brussels. and european union countries. you've got thinks wilh]h brussels. and european union countries. you've got thinks with a brussels. and european union countries. you've got thinks with a willssels. and european union countries. you've got thinks with a will and. and european union countries. you've got thinks with a will and aknd european union countries. you've got thinks with a will and a way she thinks with a will and a way with a labour government more,

you know, maybe a more attuned with eu for, for the remain. although said of the tory party, by the way let's move on for that but you know more that point. but you know more attuned can attuned with with what can happen. they our happen. maybe we could they our country deal with country can do a deal with individual through individual countries or through brussels. deals. she brussels. other deals. she definitely out the idea definitely ruled out the idea of quotas of migrants coming here. remember that big row last year would you have 100,000 migrants moved part of a deal to moved here as part of a deal to combat illegal, illegal migration? that is not going to happen. clearly that's happen. so clearly that's been an that tested has an idea that was tested and has not the test. not passed the test. >> okay. let's bring you in now, lloyd, the conservative party is two parties on this issue. the labour party sure as heck is. and this sounds like the kind of thing might land well in thing that might land well in the red wall, but it sounds a bit brexity . it sounds a bit bit brexity. it sounds a bit actually not like yvette cooper . actually not like yvette cooper. so can labour be trusted to deliver this? >> i think it works both ways. i think it works for those who want to be tough on immigration and it works on people who want

to be tough. on the causes of to , immigration ask didiza quote from the, from the labour of the past, because we all know that people who are hanging around to get their applications seen are putting their lives on hold, and it causes huge problems . we all it causes huge problems. we all know when people's application has been rejected, and if people then around, it causes it then hang around, it causes it not only causes huge problems in terms of destitution for those individuals, but it actually also causes huge problems in terms then then being able to terms of then then being able to put in claims for family life, etc. because the longer people are here, the longer they end up getting embedded in the community. so it works on a sense of people who arrive here should quick justice, should have quick justice, they should have a quick determination. works on determination. so it works on that side. but also the quicker you determination, the you do the determination, the easier it is to remove people from country and return them from the country and return them back to home. and we saw that success a negotiated deal success of a negotiated deal with albania. so you can start not deals with, not just to make deals with, with, the eu, most of the origin

is not from the eu, is it? but you make deals from origin countries, not from rwanda, which is not an origin country for most of our refugees. and as we know, it's costing millions of individual . so of pounds per individual. so i think that this idea that we scrap this gimmick and we heard earlier on, didn't we? rishi sunakis earlier on, didn't we? rishi sunak is even now talking sunak is even now just talking about a, as something that about it as a, as something that will make it less will try and make it less palatable for people to come here, not actually as something that will work, you know, but actually, if it's only 1% of people, you're sending it back. it's a deterrent . it's not a deterrent. >> yeah. before you come >> yeah. before before you come in, it's just in, chris, i think it's just worth at the worth looking at some of the numbers. it been numbers. so yeah, it has been £541 million far on £541 million spent so far on rwanda with not a single solitary human going there, of course. and as you said, £1.8 million asylum i million per asylum seeker. i want them money. want to give them the money. they lottery go. but they win the lottery and go. but it's only 36 days of asylum. hotel costs at current rates. so. so it's a big problem, chris, that needs plenty of money thrown at it. >> it does. and it's eye—watering the numbers we're spending. but my point to you though, lord, lord, for your

party maybe is yvette cooper says it won't work because it'll only be a few hundred, but if it's a few thousand , will you it's a few thousand, will you still it or what? what's the still axe it or what? what's the point think, okay, point at which you think, okay, we've got it wrong. rwanda works. government works. labour government would keep . keep it. >> well, if you can do >> well, i think if you can do it cheaply and more it more cheaply and more humanely , then you scrap it. and humanely, then you scrap it. and at even if you get at the moment, even if you get up the 1000 you still up to the 1000 mark, you still are extraordinary , are spending an extraordinary, huge amount of money on there. and rwanda is and remember, the rwanda deal is not a one way deal. the rwanda deal us accept deal does require us to accept that the most vulnerable refugees in rwanda back into. >> that's a few dozen, aren't we? >> but we're told it's a few. we're told it's a few dozen, just like we're told that there might be a possibility it's a few thousand. i when few thousand. i think when the rwandan see they'll start rwandan see this, they'll start to complex ones. to say, well, the complex ones. thank back off to thank you very much. back off to england. you want complex england. and do you want complex cases better cases or actually, is it better to able who are at to get able people who are at least to contribute to the least able to contribute to the economy? that least able to contribute to the ecoiwhole that least able to contribute to the ecoiwhole is that least able to contribute to the ecoiwhole is bit that least able to contribute to the ecoiwhole is bit messed the whole thing is a bit messed up. behind up. the mindset behind it doesn't not doesn't work. it's not a deterrent. it is better to deterrent. and it is better to say, wasting time, say, let's stop wasting time, because we also know there's not

just a financial cost. yeah, the more time get servants more time you get civil servants working these the working on these things, the more have with it more arguments you have with it and more fights that you and the more fights that you have case. trying have with every case. not trying to distraction from to is, is distraction from actually processing things , actually processing things, stopping people being in hotels because their claim because you process their claim and cost down. and getting that cost down. >> chris, we quickly saw >> okay. chris, we quickly saw barack obama at downing street last time he was here. of course, 2016 britain would be at the back of the queue if they voted why is he here today? >> well, i've been in the afternoon lobbying meeting, getting a readout from number 10. the obama 10. he was here with the obama foundation , is doing some work foundation, is doing some work with community groups london, with community groups in london, and here visit. it and he was to here visit. it wasn't signalled or announced by number the first we knew of number 10. the first we knew of him was when we saw him being here was when we saw our gb news. he was our screens on gb news. he was in a personal capacity, and i'll bnng in a personal capacity, and i'll bring you more where they went up the flats or the kids, etc. as soon as i can. it's a good time. maybe for sunak to time. maybe for rishi sunak to show that the uk matters with a former president dropping in. of course got issues course he's got his own issues with mps his own with his own mps and his own authority those mps. at moment. >> okay, superb. so thanks for

joining us, chris and lloyd joining us, chris hope and lloyd russell—moyle. pleasure joining us, chris hope and lloyd ruhave—moyle. pleasure joining us, chris hope and lloyd ruhave—moin. pleasure joining us, chris hope and lloyd ruhave—moin. have)leasure joining us, chris hope and lloyd ruhave—moin. have lotsure to have you in. we'll have lots more that story at 5:00 and more on that story at 5:00 and there's plenty of coverage on our gb news. com and our website, gb news. com and you've helped to make it the fastest growing national news website in the country. so thank you much . vladimir putin you very much. vladimir putin has won a fifth terms as russian president by a landslide victory. what a surprise of 87. but of course, he faced absolutely no credible opposition. i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel.

welcome back. it's 426. i'm martin daubney. this is gb news. so vladimir putin has launched an anti—west rant following his controversial election victory, saying there was no democracy in the west, which is a bit rich. more ominously, though , he warned of

ominously, though, he warned of world war three if western troops enter ukraine. meanwhile, the uk defence secretary, grant shapps , has dubbed him the new shapps, has dubbed him the new stalin, so relationships are at an all time high. to discuss this further, i'm joined now by historian and author martin whittock martin. welcome to the show! so no great surprises that putin stood unopposed. no great surprises that he swept to a landslide. but what does it mean for relationships between putin and the west moving forward? >> well, it plays into the whole narrative that putin has been developing over , but in many developing over, but in many ways, the last ten years, really, that the west is a threat, that the ukraine is a potent nazi state, that russia and its culture and everything to do with russia is under threat. >> and the war was for most and central to his campaign. and basically he will see this or he will see this engineered result as showing to the russian people

that they are four square behind him, despite the fact that 40% of russian gdp is now being spent on the military. completely unsustainable amounts, he is getting sufficient support from china, from india , from iran to keep from india, from iran to keep him going. but he will continue to develop this narrative, boosted by this clearly completely unconvincing result that the west is after him. but the russian people are behind him and he's going to continue pushing for, in his terms, victory in ukraine. and he'll talk up the anti—western rhetoric , because it's part of rhetoric, because it's part of the whole story that he is developing . no doubt he believes developing. no doubt he believes it himself as well, because basically it makes the world, particularly the west, the enemy and any russian who criticises him is unpatriotic. and that's very much part of the narrative as well. putin saying don't criticise me because you are betraying your country. this is all part of the putin narrative that's been developed over the last five years, and particularly last ten years as well .

well. >> but martin, he's being called the new stalin, which may or may not be helpful, but the fact of the matter remains , if you stand the matter remains, if you stand against vladimir putin as a political opponent, you tend to disappear or die. is this going to change any time soon? >> i think not. i mean , to be >> i think not. i mean, to be frank about it, as a historian of russia, both soviet russia and the russian federation after that, looking from the ussr right through to where we are today, putin is not stalin. we are not seeing mass killings of the kind of numbers that we saw understanding nothing remotely like that. he does not have that that power , that energy that that power, that energy that stalin had. but but we must not delude ourselves either, that basically the putin regime has become increasingly brutal, increasingly authoritarian . we increasingly authoritarian. we saw what happened to navalny. we've seen what's happened to other people, you know, from the salisbury poisoning , right salisbury poisoning, right through to assassinations in the heart of europe. it is increasingly difficult for any

russian . russian. >> okay. and we're cutting now to live pictures. that's vladimir putin in moscow, celebrating a sizeable crowd there, clapping away. as you'd expect, good turnout . he's just expect, good turnout. he's just on a victory parade in moscow. martin, are you still there? can you see the. knot is gone at martin. these things are how stage managed. all these moments. there's a sizeable turnout there. but is that stage managed? >> very much so. reports are coming in this afternoon. our time early evening. russian time, moscow time. we're talking about university students from some distance away being bused into this area. we'll see people from state enterprises being bused in. we may even be seeing military personnel out of uniform being bused in. these things are staged. these things are organised. these things are not spontaneous. they're no more spontaneous than the election . spontaneous than the election. and they are designed to give the impression of mass support for putin. but we should not

believe this, because these are organised and managed events. in to order support and maintain a particular view that russia stands four square behind the president, no , these are not president, no, these are not genuine events. there will be believers there. of course they will be. there will be putin supporters. of course they will be. numbers are be. but the mass numbers are more logistics machine of be. but the mass numbers are morkremlin logistics machine of be. but the mass numbers are morkremlin than tics machine of be. but the mass numbers are morkremlin than they nachine of be. but the mass numbers are morkremlin than they do hine of be. but the mass numbers are morkremlin than they do to |e of the kremlin than they do to spontaneously going out in the spnng spontaneously going out in the spring evening to the this big rally . rally. >> yeah. and martin whittaker, while we may have the eurovision song contest, they appear to have a small platoon of soldiers in full flaks with their chests puffed out and their medals on display , singing in close display, singing in close harmony. support for vladimir putin. it does feel terribly confected and concocted. martin. >> yes, very much so . so what >> yes, very much so. so what was his? no, stalin. he draws a lot. remember, he was a lieutenant colonel in the kgb ,

lieutenant colonel in the kgb, stationed in east germany before the fall of the soviet union. he draws on this authoritarian stalinist, if you like, communist background of organising people, putting on big rallies , trying to get a big rallies, trying to get a particular view across. but we must remember, of course, that putin is not a communist, but one of the people that he beat was a supine communist party representative. he is now a russian nationalist, and he is pulling on all the strings of russian nationalism to try to create this patriotic surge behind him. so yeah, the military will be there singing, there'll be people there in national costume . the whole idea national costume. the whole idea is is united the west is russia is united and the west is russia is united and the west is against us. this is sadly the russia of putin. 20 years ago, it really looked like we were building bridges with russia. those bridges have been, well and truly burnt. but on the russian side, particularly , of russian side, particularly, of course, since the invasion of ukraine in february 2022. and

we're seeing that played out now in moscow and in these other major stage managed events, including stage managed elections. he's now the longest ruling russian leader, i believe, since catherine the great in the 18th century. >> well, that's a fascinating fact that to finish on there, historian and author martin whitlock, thank you very much, giving us your expert insight into that victory for vladimir putin. now, there's lots more still to come between now and 5:00, including thatcher in the same league as hitler and bin laden. well, that's the vna's assessment. should the museum have its funding cut? but first, it's have its funding cut? but first, wsfime have its funding cut? but first, it's time for your latest news headunes it's time for your latest news headlines with polly middlehurst. >> the top stories this hour. the government has begun to identify which illegal migrants will be on the first flight to rwanda. downing street says the initial cohort of people is now being contacted with the prime minister still determined. he

says to see the first plane departing later this spring. mps are due to vote this evening on ten separate changes to the rwanda bill, suggested by peers from the house of lords. meanwhile, the prime minister has busy rebuffing has been busy rebuffing speculation about a leadership challenge, saying he isn't interested in westminster politics. speaking in warwickshire, rishi sunak urged his party to stick to the plan and told backbenchers the economy is turning a corner. he was forced to speak out after rumours suggested right wing tories were lining up penny mordaunt him , and the mordaunt to replace him, and the prime minister's announced plans to create 20,000 new apprenticeships, pledging £60 million worth of new investment to cover a series of reforms, including fully funded training for young people and a reduction in red tape for small businesses taking them on. he says the government will pay the full cost of apprenticeships for people aged 21 or under at small firms from the 1st of april, and the former us president barack obama is inside downing street

this afternoon for a private meeting. we understand mr obama, who was president from 2009 to 2017, smiled and waved to the cameras just before going into number 10 just after 3:00 this afternoon, a whitehall source has told us here at gb news, he's there for an informal meeting with rishi sunak whilst he's in london. those are the latest top stories to sign up for gb news alerts, scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. alerts . news. common alerts. >> thank you polly now. hundreds of asylum seekers have been moved on after camping outside of dublin for months, but guess what? they're all coming back. more of that very soon. i'm martin daubney on gb news britain's news channel

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back. it's 438. i'm martin daubney, and this is gb news. now, dublin police have cleared hundreds of migrants from a makeshift campsite in the centre of dublin on sunday. around 200 asylum seekers were moved from the camp outside of a government office to a new site outside of the irish capital. now the asylum seekers have been camping outside the international protection office on mount street for months, awaiting their applications for international protection to be processed. well, joining me now to discuss this is former labour adviser kevin maher. kevin, welcome to the show. astonishing scenes. it looked like a sort of social cleansing. bulldozers taking these tents, putting them into the back of garbage trucks , into the back of garbage trucks, moving these men, ferrying them out of town on coaches 20km away. so they didn't spoil the saint patrick's day parade pictures. but now they're all traipse back into dublin, kevin. and worse, the world's media is

watching. what the hell is going on? >> it's a bit of a shambles in dublin, there are several things going on. i mean, what happened over the weekend and i saw footage of this. somebody somebody walked along the whole length of this kind of we would have call these cardboard cities, i guess , in the 80s. but cities, i guess, in the 80s. but the kind these up tents the kind of these pop up tents that that people have got one after the other after the other after the other after the other after the other after the other after the other, a lot of them, asylum seekers that that are in ireland. >> the irish government doesn't have the capacity to deal with the numbers of, of, of migrants that it's getting. >> and rather than do something about the supply that, that it's getting, it just keeps letting these people come in and doesn't have anywhere to put them. and it's causing a major, major problem in irish society. we've seen of disturbances , rs, seen lots of disturbances, rs, lots of protests, some buildings being burnt that were earmarked to put asylum seekers in. >> now this is a very febrile situation in ireland and it

stems from the fact two things. >> one, that the housing market in ireland is completely out of control. >> so over the last decade, for example , wages have grown about example, wages have grown about 27, house prices have grown about 75% and rents 90. it's a really difficult situation and it reflects actually the strength of the irish economy. the irish economy is booming, but supply and demand in the housing market is hasn't kept pace. and the governments, frankly asleep on the on the watch and not doing very much about it also reflects about it. and it also reflects what's that what's happening, is that ireland's and ireland's political elite and some media elite as well, some of its media elite as well, are quite to allow this are quite happy to allow this situation to continue to sort of burnish liberal burnish their liberal credentials some of the credentials because some of the leading lights in the irish government, frankly, got government, frankly, have got their eyes big international their eyes on big international jobs. right jobs. so they're out there right , eating checks that then the irish people are expected to pay . and it's this massive disconnect between a political elite at top of this current elite at the top of this current government, which is led by the two old parties of irish politics, fine gael and fianna fail . and leo varadkar people fail. and leo varadkar people may micheal may be familiar with micheal

martin as the leader of martin as well as the leader of fianna fail. you know, they're looking looking past looking they're looking past irish a big irish politics and for a big international that's what's international job. that's what's going on. and they, as i say, they are going around the place making ireland making commitments that ireland cannot making commitments that ireland canand that's nub of the problem. >> and meanwhile, kevin, anybody who objects is called far right or racist . there have been large or racist. there have been large scale protests in around dublin and nationwide about this fact. we've seen outbreaks of violence. of course, in dublin we saw police cars set fire to after that multiple stabbing, a few months ago. see those pictures on our screen now? the question is, kevin, if we have a political class in ireland completely out of touch with the working classes , with the people working classes, with the people who are affected, who can't get a house, what does that create? doesit a house, what does that create? does it create a void for something new? >> it does. i mean, it's very interesting to look at the opinion polls in irish politics, which which, know, for the which which, you know, for the last has had sinn last four years has had sinn fein top, the pops, they win the

actual popular vote in the last general election in february 2020. >> and it's very likely there's got to be an irish general election , in the course of the election, in the course of the next year, a bit like we have, of course, in britain, it's very likely sinn fein features likely that sinn fein features it that it as part of that next government because they've got radical on housing. government because they've got radinot on housing. government because they've got radinot really on housing. government because they've got radinot really anything using. government because they've got radinot really anything to ng. government because they've got radinot really anything to do it's not really anything to do with any issue that sinn with any other issue that sinn fein to. voters fein may be familiar to. voters about. it's really about housing. i it's way housing. it's i mean, it's way past a problem for the irish working class. it's a problem for irish class . it's for the irish middle class. it's a problem for the a it's a problem for the irish professional everybody is professional class. everybody is feeling this problem. and the bizarre that the bizarre thing is, is that the irish government, knowing that it's this problem , could do it's got this problem, could do something about it. the irish, irish public finances are in rude health at the moment, so much that the talk dublin much so that the talk in dublin is vital in creating a sovereign wealth fund. >> so money from >> it's got so much money from corporation tax receipts, it doesn't do with it. doesn't know what to do with it. so fix this problem so it could fix this problem very the trouble is very easily. but the trouble is fianna , fine gael, the two fianna fail, fine gael, the two old parties irish old corrupt parties of irish politics, know, are politics, you know, are sustained by you know, the class

of people that have got all these houses that are renting them out and making absolute them out and making an absolute fortune. there is no interest fortune. so there is no interest to problem. but at to address this problem. but at the time, you're the same time, you're right, there far right in effect. >> there are, there are there are some right wing people clearly when look at these >> but when i look at these protests centres that protests outside centres that have been designated to dump 50 asylum seekers in next to a children's nursery or whatever, no thought gone into it whatsoever . you know, the people whatsoever. you know, the people leading these protests are just ordinary made mainly ordinary people made mainly women. they're sat around, you know, around a little know, sat around a little campfire in deckchairs, passing a thermos around with an a thermos flask around with an irish flag and playing irish folk songs. >> you know, this is not swastikas and skinheads. >> know, idea that all >> you know, this idea that all these are, you know, these people are, you know, troglodytes and political extremists is just isn't true. they are people who are profoundly fed up because their government is letting them down. >> stuff . kevin maher a >> superb stuff. kevin maher a breath of fresh air. former labour adviser and an expert on the geo political scene in ireland. it's always a pleasure to you on the thank to have you on the show. thank you forjoining us you very much for joining us today gb news. that was great

today on gb news. that was great stuff. up was stuff. now coming up was margaret thatcher actually a villain? well, the v&a museum faces a huge backlash after listing the former prime minister alongside adolf hitler and osama bin laden . you and osama bin laden. you couldn't make it up. i'm martin daubney on gb news britain's news channel .

welcome back. it's 448. i'm martin daubney, and this is gb news. now. london's victoria and albert museum is facing criticism over an exhibition that puts former prime minister margaret thatcher in the same light as adolf hitler and osama bin laden . you hitler and osama bin laden. you couldn't make it up. a special exhibition at the v&a on british humour, discussing punch and judy puppets, said the following over the years, the evil character in this seaside puppet

show has shifted from the devil to unpopular public figures, including adolf hitler, margaret thatcher and osama bin laden to offer contemporary villains. well it certainly got people talking, and not always in a good way. and joining me now to discuss this in the studio is former labour mp denis macshane. had say dennis, sniggering had to say dennis, sniggering your way through that entire introduction, i think it's wonderful. >> i mean, you put these 17 year old curators in charge of giant victorian museums and they come up with really wacky, unthought through ideas . us now, i through ideas. us now, i actually think margaret thatcher would been dying with would have been dying with laughter turning her grave, laughter turning in her grave, because obviously all the people getting pompous, hot under the collar, all these american fanatical margaret thatcher heritage curators are getting so pompous about it, none of them obviously saw spitting image. none of them actually were ever

up the north england. up in the north of england. i was in sheffield on, on, was there in sheffield on, on, friday with my daughter friday morning with my daughter and believe me, you can't mention margaret thatcher up there. i'm just telling you a bit of geographical history. i think she was an extraordinary prime minister. there were necessary reforms that britain absolutely needed, as they do again today. >> i don't think the way she carried them out was as skilful as all other economies had to shed. >> heavy industry and get unions into a better shape. but that said , she left a mark on britain said, she left a mark on britain that was indelible. that will echo throughout history and a lot of people in those communities you talk about voted for the conservative party for the first time in 2019, and the legacy of margaret thatcher in those communities was put to one side. >> but i guess the point here is people wouldn't be laughing >> but i guess the point here is peopleitvouldn't be laughing >> but i guess the point here is peopleit injldn't be laughing >> but i guess the point here is peopleit in the 't be laughing >> but i guess the point here is peopleit in the politicalghing >> but i guess the point here is peopleit in the political arena about it in the political arena on the left, if it was on the left, say, if it was jeremy corbyn next to an ayatollah, they'd be clutching their is their pearls and saying, this is absolutely terrible. and it's not satire. we should be

not about satire. we should be allowed to satirise and take the mickey out of anybody and tweak the noses of the powerful and mickey out of anybody and tweak the pompous, he powerful and mickey out of anybody and tweak the pompous, butyowerful and mickey out of anybody and tweak the pompous, but putting and the pompous, but putting thatcher alongside hitler and bin have to admit. bin laden. you have to admit. >> well, that's that's just that's daft and silly . actually, that's daft and silly. actually, i some people at the labour party would consider comparing poor old jeremy to ayatollah poor old jeremy to an ayatollah as to as rather an insult to the ayatollah. think should ayatollah. so i think we should all laugh a lot more in politics and get a little bit less work worked about but the worked up about it. but the thatcher heritage needs a proper analysis. of course, from my point of view. you know, martin, it's not exactly a secret that i'm fairly pro—europe. she smashed through every protectionist rule in europe and gave us freedom of movement, investment can't trade anywhere, mass migration. and she did all that for very good economic reasons. and i think that part of the thatcher heritage , of of the thatcher heritage, of course, has been buried under

the silly nationalism we've got from some of the people now claiming her heritage. a claiming her heritage. it's a much complicated, much more complicated, multifaceted heritage than some of her sort of, wet and shaky admirers think, it was actually tony blair that opened the doors to mass migration. >> your old boss. but anyway, let's not get sidetracked on that. let's not get sidetracked on that . let's let's talk about the that. let's let's talk about the fact people are saying that the v&a, which gets £67 million of pubuc v&a, which gets £67 million of public money last year alone, should should public money last year alone, sh(defunded should public money last year alone, sh(defunded . should public money last year alone, sh(defunded . should should public money last year alone, sh(defunded . should it should public money last year alone, sh(defunded . should it be ould public money last year alone, sh(defunded . should it be or.d be defunded. should it be or should just get a sense of humour? >> i get a sense of humour. the va is an enormous visitor attraction. i mean, london is busy visitors. one busy with visitors. it's one of the bits of economic the few bits of our economic system working system that's still working well, apart from the ghastly increased tax that mr sunak's insisting we must all pay if they buy goods here in britain and they, the v&a is incredibly popular. it's very skilful. it bnngsin popular. it's very skilful. it brings in young people, as i say. i expect this was a young person . person. >> it probably was. i'm afraid we have to move on. denis

macshane we have a statement to read out for the v&a and it says this the v&a is always open to feedback from visitors in feedback from our visitors in response some concerns around response to some concerns around a in punch and judy a caption in the punch and judy case of our laughing matters display, telling the story of british satire and comedy, we will review the relevant label tanks and updates the wording if necessary. pompous yeah, that's what i thought. now moving swiftly on a forecaster has warned that the uk is more likely to see snow at easter than it is at christmas. the beginning of spring has brought with it an onslaught of heavy rain and conditions could be getting worse ahead of the easter holidays . well, joining easter holidays. well, joining me now to tell us more is the met office meteorologist and presenter aidan mcgivern aiden. a question why is it a simple question why is it blooming well, raining so much . blooming well, raining so much. >> yeah, it has not stopped raining since july. it feels like. and yeah, there is more rain to come. unfortunately i mean often rains in march mean it often rains in march march. face it, is march. let's face it, is a miserable month, but we've had a

very wet winter . the winter was very wet winter. the winter was the wettest on record for some counties across wales, england and northern scotland, and some of that was down to el nino. you might have heard of el nino. it's this oscillation in temperature and pressure patterns in the pacific. and dunng patterns in the pacific. and during the winter, it's swung in a particular direction that often warms up the atmosphere and the oceans and brings more rainfall to the uk. it's not the only reason. there are other reasons . one of them is warmer reasons. one of them is warmer than average sea surface temperatures surrounding the uk. but of course our weather is highly winter, highly variable in the winter, so is just down so a lot of it is just down to random variability and of course aiden before before people start banging climate change. >> it's worth pointing out the wettest was in 1947. wettest ever march was in 1947. >> we're not on course for the wettest ever march this year, but it has in some places already, received its monthly average. so and we're halfway through. so we've had certainly a wetter than average march so

far. more rain on the way. on the point that it's more likely to snow in the easter. that's a statistical thing. looking at past years , and it's only true past years, and it's only true when easter occurs in march , when easter occurs in march, which i guess this year is the case. however we're not looking at snow this easter. unfortunately, more rain . unfortunately, more rain. >> okay, aidan mcgivern, we have to leave it there. thank you very much, now after we'll very much, now after this, we'll have on rishi have all the latest on rishi sunak's battle for rwanda. i'm martin daubney on gb news. and first, it's your weather with that again. mcgivern. that man again. aidan mcgivern. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hi there and welcome to the gb news forecast from the met office. it's a fine end to the day in the east with some bright sunshine, but turning cloudy in the west with outbreaks of rain

heading in weather fronts out to the west already bringing thicker cloud into northern ireland. and those outbreaks of rain soon sweeping and rain will soon sweeping and they'll push into western scotland, western fringes of england as well as wales. the wind picking up gales for exposed parts of western scotland and the rain by the end of the night, reaching central and southeastern parts of the uk. but tending to fizzle out as it crosses the country. ten celsius by dawn so the cloud, the wind and the rain tending to keep things relatively mild . but keep things relatively mild. but it will be a damp start to the day in many spots. however soon enough the cloud will lift and break the rain clears to showers. showers could occur just about anywhere, but most likely across parts of the midlands into the south of the uk. some bright spells there for northern ireland and scotland into the afternoon. temperatures here 12 celsius further south, mild again 17 or 18 celsius in

the south—east. wednesday though, starts off on a damp note, with outbreaks of rain pushing north into central parts of the uk. staying sunny in the far northwest and staying mostly dry in the far southeast. that rain clears to showers once again on thursday and friday, and it does turn a bit colder. >> looks like things are heating up boxt boiler as sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> a very happy monday afternoon to you. it's 5 pm. and welcome to you. it's 5 pm. and welcome to the martin daubney show on gb news. broadcasting live from the heart westminster all across heart of westminster all across the coming up today's the uk. coming up in today's show , gb news understands that show, gb news understands that the first migrants to be deported to rwanda have already begun to be identified by the government , as the infamous begun to be identified by the government, as the infamous bill is debated today in the commons. we're expecting a vote on that around about 8 pm. this

evening. and meanwhile, the prime minister has come out fighting today, setting out his vision boost small business. vision to boost small business. but speculation is growing that some tory mps are plotting to replace him with a certain penny mordaunt, the current front runner . and mordaunt, the current front runner. and the bbc has come under fire once again , this time under fire once again, this time for rewriting the plots of agatha christie stories and injecting forced diversity . is injecting forced diversity. is the corporation committing crimes against the source material ? have they completely material? have they completely lost the plot and easter weather chaos? it's easter, of course. we're having weather chaos. are we in for yet another wet and wild easter weekend this year ? wild easter weekend this year? that's all coming in your next hour. welcome to the that's all coming in your next hour . welcome to the show. it's hour. welcome to the show. it's always a pleasure to have your company. please get in touch

with all your usual views , the with all your usual views, the usual ways. email me gb views at gb news. com do you think a single asylum seeker will be flown to rwanda? it's been voted tonight. i've been saying all along i think there's more chance of me flying to the moon. and i'm no astronaut. i remain to stand corrected. that vote 8:00 tonight. let me know what you think. you have any faith you think. do you have any faith in scheme? half £1 billion in this scheme? half £1 billion and rising so far. get in touch with your thoughts. i'll read them out before the of the them out before the end of the show. now it's time for your show. but now it's time for your latest news headlines polly latest news headlines with polly middlehurst . middlehurst. >> martin, thank you and good evening. well, the government has started to identify it says which illegal migrants will be on the first flight to rwanda. downing street said today the initial of people is now initial cohort of people is now being and the prime being contacted and the prime minister says he's still determined to see the first plane later spring. plane leaving later this spring. mps vote this evening

mps are due to vote this evening on ten separate changes to the rwanda bill. however, they're the changes suggested by peers from the house of lords. but rishi sunak says he's still committed to getting flights off the ground. >> it's important that we get the rwanda scheme up and running because we to have a because we need to have a deterrent. need to make it deterrent. we need to make it clear that if come here clear that if you come here illegally, be able to illegally, you won't be able to stay and we will be able to remove you. that is the only way to properly the issue of to properly solve the issue of illegal migration. now we've made progress. numbers made good progress. both numbers were by last year, were down by a third last year, so shows that our plan so that shows that our plan is working. in order to finish working. but in order to finish the job, we need the rwanda scheme getting scheme through. we are getting it everyone scheme through. we are getting it trying everyone scheme through. we are getting it trying us, everyone scheme through. we are getting it trying us, including; is trying to block us, including the labour party, because they don't tackle this don't have a plan to tackle this problem. do . i am determined problem. we do. i am determined to through, the to see it through, get the deterrent running as deterrent up and running as quickly as possible. >> well responding, the shadow home secretary, yvette cooper, told gb news the government needs get a grip on the situation. >> we need to strengthen our border security and fix the chaos the asylum system chaos in the asylum system because under the conservatives,

we've really seen criminal gangs take hold along the channel and then this huge soaring backlog with asylum hotel use that is costing the taxpayer billions. so instead of all the gimmicks that we've had from rishi sunak and the conservatives our plan is to get a grip that starts with the new cross border police to go after the criminal gangs , to go after the criminal gangs, to go after the criminal gangs, to smash the gang networks and prevent boats arriving on the french coast in the first place. >> yvette cooper, now the prime minister, announced plans today to create 20,000 new apprenticeships on a visit to coventry in the west midlands . coventry in the west midlands. he pledged £60 million worth of new investment to cover a series of reforms , including fully of reforms, including fully funded training for young people and reduction in red tape for small businesses. labour accused the government , though, of the government, though, of economic failure. but mr sunak says action is being taken in. the full cost of apprenticeships will be offered to applicants aged under at small firms aged under 21 at small firms from the 1st of april. small

business owners seem to have welcomed the move . welcomed the move. >> i think the apprenticeship, payment in full would be fantastic. we've had an apprentice before , she did apprentice before, she did phenomenally well and but funds have been quite tight the last couple of years and that's not something that i, i've been able to enter into again, although i want to. so that will be is benefit. >> i think there's lots of positives in there. i think there's some great stuff for helping small businesses. there's some great stuff for helping small businesses . as for helping small businesses. as for our business, we need a bit more for the small businesses in the uk will see it as to what it is. >> it's probably a last ditch effort get some confidence effort to get some confidence back.i effort to get some confidence back. i don't think done back. i don't think he's done enough. going enough. i don't think it's going to confidence to small businesses. >> well, despite that announcement, the prime minister has rebuffing has been busy rebuffing current speculation about a leadership challenge today, saying not challenge today, saying he's not interested in the politics of westminster. rishi sunak urged his party instead to stick to the plan, telling backbenchers the plan, telling backbenchers the economy is turning a corner. he was forced, though, speak he was forced, though, to speak out after rumours suggested right wing tories may be lining up. mordaunt to replace up. penny mordaunt to replace

him. former us president, him. the former us president, barack obama, has left downing street after seeing the prime minister for a private meeting today. mr obama, who served in the white house from 2009 to 2017, smiled and waved before he went in to number 10. and indeed, when he emerged just after 4:00 this afternoon, a whitehall source telling gb news he was there for an informal meeting with rishi sunak . now meeting with rishi sunak. now the former environment minister, zac goldsmith has been banned from driving for a year. it's after he was caught breaking the speed limit. seven separate times. driving in london between april and november last year. the conservative peer was also caught speeding on two motorways, most recently in december in his hybrid electric car. december in his hybrid electric can he december in his hybrid electric car. he pleaded guilty to all the offences and was fined 5500 pounds, plus a surcharge of £2,000, as well as costs . now £2,000, as well as costs. now nine police officers have been recognised for their bravery

after they risked their lives rescuing residents from a caravan fire in windsor in berkshire . berkshire. >> get back. move back from it how. >> now. >> move back . >> move back. >> move back. >> move back. >> move that way, move that way. if you're listening on radio, we're looking at thames valley police body cam footage of that incident, which happened at a caravan park in 2021. >> emergency crews were called to an explosion after one of the mobile homes. they were set alight . sergeant mobile homes. they were set alight. sergeant james mobile homes. they were set alight . sergeant james greehey, alight. sergeant james greehey, who took part in the rescue, said it was the first time he'd looked back at the video and properly reflected on just how close he and his colleagues came to he said the selfless to death. he said the selfless act was driven by instinct . act was driven by pure instinct. and lastly, britain's most successful female olympian, dame laura kenny, has announced her retirement from professional cycling. the athlete posted the news on her instagram page saying it was time to move on. she's already won five gold medals and was expected to compete at the paris games this summer, but she welcomed her

second son last year and said spending time at home with her son and her family was proving much more important to her. now for the latest stories to sign up news alerts , scan the up to gb news alerts, scan the qr code and screen right now or go to gb news .com/ alerts martin back to you . martin back to you. >> thank you polly. now let's get cracking into our top story this hour. and the prime minister has today come out fighting for his political survival once again. in a speech, he set out a plan to boost british small businesses. and it came with growing speculation that some tory mps are plotting once again to replace him, this time with penny mordaunt . well, rishi penny mordaunt. well, rishi sunak urged his fellow mps to back him and stick to the plan. here he was speaking to journalists earlier . journalists earlier. >> the conservatives are united in wanting to deliver a brighter future for our country, and that is why we are cutting people's

taxes £900 for a typical person in work, we're increasing the state pension by £900 in just a few weeks. we're in the middle of one of the biggest expansions of one of the biggest expansions of free childcare that our country has seen. we're getting the boats down by the number of boats down by a third last year tackling illegal migration. announcing migration. and today announcing new numbers of apprenticeships supporting businesses. supporting small businesses. these are all the things that matter to people and we are absolutely united in delivering for country these for the country on these importantit comes to election >> when it comes to election funding, why would you take £5 million from someone who you've funding, why would you take £5 millimadem someone who you've funding, why would you take £5 millimade racist1eone who you've funding, why would you take £5 millimade racist comments?ou've said made racist comments? >> you know, he's already apologised for these comments, and my point of view is when someone apologises genuinely expresses remorse that should be accepted. and that's that. >> when is the earliest that those planes will take off to take, asylum seekers to rwanda? >> yeah, i'm still committed to the timeline that i set out previously, which was we aim to get a flight off in the spring. it's important that we get the rwanda running rwanda scheme up and running

because to have a because we need to have a deterrent. we need to make it clear that come here clear that if you come here illegally, not able clear that if you come here ill! stay y, not able clear that if you come here ill! stay and not able clear that if you come here ill! stay and we not able clear that if you come here ill! stay and we will ot able clear that if you come here ill! stay and we will be able clear that if you come here ill! stay and we will be abto to stay and we will be able to remove you. is the only way remove you. that is the only way to solve issue of to properly solve the issue of illegal migration. now we've made numbers made good progress. both numbers were down by a third last year, so that that our plan is so that shows that our plan is working. in to finish working. but in order to finish the we the rwanda the job, we need the rwanda scheme are getting scheme through. we are getting it parliament. everyone it through parliament. everyone is including is trying to block us, including the labour party, because they don't have plan to tackle this don't have a plan to tackle this problem. am determined problem. we do. i am determined to through, the to see it through, get the deterrent running as deterrent up and running as quickly in july quickly as possible in july autumn general election . i autumn for a general election. i spoke about this last week and many times before, but what matters is the choice at that election. the substance and as we've seen over the past few weeks and will continue see weeks and will continue to see this plan working. this week, our plan is working. taxes are being cut by £900 for a typical person in work. the state pension going up by £900, the crossings the number of boat crossings down by a third. waiting lists starting to come down. those are the things that we're focussed on.and the things that we're focussed on. and if we stick with that plan, can deliver brighter plan, i can deliver a brighter future for everyone our

future for everyone in our country. choice. at country. that's the choice. at the election and that is we the election and that is what we will . will deliver. >> well, is it me or is rishi sunak getting around the sunak getting greyer around the hairline, and who can blame him? let's political let's bring in our political correspondent utley. correspondent olivia utley. olivia, plan is working. our olivia, our plan is working. our plan is working. our plan is working. it's starting to feel a bit like brexit means brexit, you know, strong and stable leadership. the repetition of phrases erg seems to go hand in glove with parliamentary prime ministers who feel they're on a bit of a wobble. the polls are saying that 23 point difference poll out today behind the labour party and now rumours swirling of yet another potential leadership challenge. 40 letters we believe have gone in 53 needed penny mordaunt, do you feel that the vultures are circling around rishi sunak now or not? >> well, the mood in the conservative party is definitely very low indeed. i don't think i've ever known it be lower. the

conservatives are trailing 23 points in the polls. they're at their lowest since liz truss's disastrous budget, their lowest ever under rishi sunak. and there are those mps who are saying that actually, although they have thought up until now that the worst thing they could possibly do would be to change leader, to have a fourth leader in many years, now they're in as many years, now they're kind perhaps kind of thinking perhaps the moment come final roll moment has come for a final roll of the dice. i think those are pretty small conversations going on within pretty small groups within the party. think within the party. i don't think there's sort concerted plot there's a sort of concerted plot to of the prime to get rid of the prime minister, but i think it might get to that point after those local elections . if there is to local elections. if there is to be a crunch point, that's when it would be. we are all expecting the conservatives to do badly indeed on do very, very badly indeed on those local elections on the 2nd of and there was rumour of may. and there was a rumour for time that the prime for a long time that the prime minister hold a general minister would hold a general election you election on that day. and you can for that can see the argument for that basically plaster off basically rip the plaster off all go. as it is, he has all in one go. as it is, he has ruled general election ruled out that general election in may, the in may, meaning the conservatives going have conservatives are going to have to pretty challenging

to face some pretty challenging local elections before a general election. it could be election. and it could be between may and october with a long parliamentary recess. that silly season building up in between. it could be that conservatives think enough's enough. now's the time to act. >> and meanwhile, olivia, another yet another vote tonight, 8 pm. expected on rwanda with echoes of brexit, the groundhog day. round and round we go. the lawyers , the round we go. the lawyers, the activists all out to stop it. we're expecting this to get through tonight, though. >> we are expecting it to get through . the commons are going through. the commons are going to on the ten to be voting on the ten amendments were in the amendments that were made in the lords bill. ten lords to the bill. those ten amendments lords to the bill. those ten anwater ents lords to the bill. those ten anwater down the bill and the to water down the bill and the commons. the conservatives, although it's quite easy to forget this, do actually have a big majority in the house of commons and it is expected that they will vote down all ten they will just vote down all ten of those amendments. there's a possibility a couple possibility that a couple of those might get those amendments might get through, case will those amendments might get thr back case will those amendments might get thr back to case will those amendments might get thr back to the case will those amendments might get thrback to the lords.e will those amendments might get thrback to the lords. butwill those amendments might get thr back to the lords. but the go back to the lords. but the expectation is that even if it gets point, the sort of

gets to that point, the sort of conservative minded lords will peers bother to peers will sort of bother to turn up to the house of lords and will eventually vote down those amendments. so if it doesn't get through i doesn't get through today, and i think very that it think it's very likely that it does, will get through very does, it will get through very soon that soon indeed. but that is far from the the road for from the end of the road for rishi sunak. are expecting rishi sunak. we are expecting lawyers holes in the lawyers to poke holes in the bill, possibly bill, and we're possibly expecting government expecting the rwandan government itself to poke holes in the bill. they've that they bill. they've said that they only take a handful of only want to take a handful of migrants the first place to migrants in the first place to allow scheme to bed in. allow the scheme time to bed in. i'm not going go i'm sure that's not going to go down with down very well with the government here. down very well with the govwell,3nt here. down very well with the govwell, they here. down very well with the govwell, they probably thought >> well, they probably thought it money, it would be easy money, you know, money britain know, easy money from britain instead, a of instead, it's been a bit of a calamitous pr nightmare. interesting sunak said interesting how rishi sunak said the don't have the labour party don't have a plan. well, earlier on we spoke to yvette cooper , who is of to yvette cooper, who is of course the shadow home secretary, and she did lay out a plan to christopher hope. let's have a listen to what she had to say to us earlier. >> well, there's series of >> well, there's a series of things we need to do. so this has got to about getting new has got to be about getting new return agreements in place. and that includes working

internationally in order to do that, but also doing the basic casework around individual cases who actually should be being returned at the moment. so the independent borders inspectorate did an inquiry that looked at, for example, the returns of foreign national offenders found huge failures just in the bureaucracy, in the technology that they were using. he used at one point he used the phrase this is way to run a this is no way to run a government. well, you know, i agree with that. this is no way to run a government. and that's why got to sort out those why you've got to sort out those systems. that's we're systems. so that's why we're saying staff in the saying additional staff in the returns unit to actually make sure that where people have no right to be in the uk , then they right to be in the uk, then they are being swiftly returned. >> but can you get deals with, say, france or other individual eu nations, or do you or must you go via brussels? >> we to work with >> so we do want to work with france, with other european countries. there used to be agreements that did mean that some people were returned to other european countries. none of that's been happening that

that's sort of totally collapsed, even though the government promised it would happen. government promised it would happen . it it hasn't happened at happen. it it hasn't happened at all. think this is also all. but i think this is also about recognising that other safe countries across the world, that people should be being returned to and making sure that the rules are being enforced . the rules are being enforced. >> well, that was yvette cooper, shadow home secretary speaking earlier to chris hope, political editor of gbh .who's got a say? editor of gbh. who's got a say? olivia sounds tough. a thousand strong returns and enforcement unit conjures up images of boots through doors should land well in the red wall. or is it all window dressing of what we've already heard before, i would say that it is window dressing. >> if we've heard before. >> if what we've heard before. i mean, the labour party has sharpened immigration sharpened up its immigration policy over the last few months. there was a time last year when they were considering becoming part the eu returns part of the eu returns arrangement, whereby we would take a quota of migrants in who'd land on eu shores in exchange for sending back those who had land on our shores. they

have that out. they have ruled that out. they are now talking, talking up this, this unit they're this grand new unit that they're going have . they did actually going to have. they did actually announce ago announce a couple of months ago that they would that they would employ new employ a thousand new caseworkers get to the caseworkers to try to get to the bottom of the bottom of this issue. but of course, the, the, the idea of a thousand new civil servants, a thousand new pen pushers perhaps doesn't go so down so well in the red wall than the new way that yvette cooper has dressed it up now. yeah. >> because returns and enforcement units that says to me riot shields, you know, bovver but actually it bovver boots. but actually it could be a bunch of clipboards. yeah, exactly. >> returns enforcement unit does sound pretty powerful. definitely an improvement on what they said before, which was just a thousand new caseworkers employed office . i employed by the home office. i think we can expect to see pen pushers rather than boots on the ground. >> but i wonder if olivia, at this stage, i mean, look at the numbers. so far numbers. £541 million so far spent on rwanda. that's £1.8 million each for every asylum seeker. not a single person has

been sent to rwanda or voters at the stage now where they're so fed up, they're so desperate . fed up, they're so desperate. they're so they're kind of so divided on being offered these plans that don't work, that the labour party might start to woo them just by offering some hope. any hope? >> well , the conservative >> well, the conservative party's argument, which which >> well, the conservative party gorrgument, which which >> well, the conservative party go downent, which which >> well, the conservative party go down wellvhich which >> well, the conservative party go down well with which >> well, the conservative party go down well with some| does go down well with some voters, is that you don't actually need very many migrants to be deported to rwanda for this policy to actually work. theidea this policy to actually work. the idea behind it, of course, is that it is a deterrent. if you even manage get a couple you even manage to get a couple of migrants the of hundred migrants off the ground, really be ground, you can't really be thinking in terms thinking about it in terms of price migrant. whole price per migrant. the whole policy is supposed to work so that see other migrants that migrants see other migrants being deported to rwanda and decide isn't decide that it simply isn't worth it for them to cross the channel. that's the conservatives argument. i mean, as you say, it is becoming a little bit farcical . it was over little bit farcical. it was over two years, two prime ministers ago, that boris johnson first started talking this plan started talking about this plan and as yet it hasn't really come to anything. i've spoken to some

conservative mps who quite like the rwanda plan as an idea . the the rwanda plan as an idea. the idea of offshoring migration seems to them, seems quite sensible to them, but they're confused about why rishi sunak has chosen to make this front and centre of his illegal immigration policy. it was never going to be a quick fix. rwanda could never have taken even a fraction of the number of migrants who are coming over to these shores , and coming over to these shores, and perhaps instead of bigging up this as a sort of silver bullet solution , he should have talked solution, he should have talked about his own successes, the deal with the deal that he made with the albanian prime minister, for example, that the example, has meant that the number migrants number of albanian migrants coming over here has gone down by rwanda, like it or by 70. but rwanda, like it or not, now, is the front and centre of the conservatives immigration policy and the voters will judge them on that. >> okay, olivia, thank you very much. they will judge them much. and they will judge them tonight. we're expecting tonight. 8:00 we're expecting that it get that vote to happen. will it get through? people suspect that it will. but will have any will. but will it have any teeth? that's the big question. we'll have that all through the evening here on gb news. now you

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welcome back. the time is 524. i'm martin daubney, and this is gb news is now. the bbc should stop straying from agatha christie's storylines or come up with their own ideas . fair play. with their own ideas. fair play. and that's the words of andrew wilson. an author and expert on the works of britain's most loved crime writer. this comes as bbc adaptations of christie's mysteries have come under fire for straying from the original text. well, joining me now to discuss this is the journalist and broadcaster and the director of the new culture forum , peter of the new culture forum, peter whittle. peter. yes, always a pleasure to have you in the studio. so we see diversity everywhere . you can't escape it. everywhere. you can't escape it. some may say it's a good thing to reflect the diverse society that we are, but when you're taking liberties with classic pieces of literature and even weaving in nigerian immigrants in the place of retired british policemen, as we saw in the plot

of murder is easy, is this a step too far? >> well, i think what it is, we sort of all know what what's going on here, really, martin? >> i mean, i think the when it comes to, first of all, changing of the plots of these things, the fact is, is that all it shows is that there's a real major dearth of creative talent, because what's happening is whether it's agatha christie or any other great classic, they get a kind of writer in to reimagine it or shape it in a different way. and you sort of feel, look, why don't you do your own plays? why don't you write your own novels ? you know, write your own novels? you know, why don't you come up with your own sort of legendary heroes? you know why all this tinkering around and you might say, well, you know, that is, you know, it's not terribly important. i think it is actually , because think it is actually, because for one good reason. you mentioned there murder is easy. and that was, a nigerian guy playing the lead in that, which is meant to be a white, you

know, policeman , retired know, policeman, retired policeman. and the fact is, is that it seems to me that the real targets for this kind of thing are things that are very identifiably english, real popular english institutions, sort of, you know, agatha christie , you know, p.g. christie, you know, pg. wodehouse or even james bond. may i say, and, you know, we see it like we've seen it this weekend end with the farce about the paintings of our landscapes that happened in cambridge. you know, they put these landscapes in an exhibition, and then they sort of said, well, this sort of summons up dark nationalistic feelings. it'sjust summons up dark nationalistic feelings. it's just it's everything that people popularly associate with, with england, particularly in a nice way, is sort of under attack and it's kind of relentless . that's what kind of relentless. that's what i find particularly irritating about this as well, is that the makers of these programmes, they take the agatha christie, they tend to be very proud of the

authenticity of the programmes . authenticity of the programmes. you know, they get the costumes absolutely right, they get all the cars right, you know, all the cars right, you know, all the cutlery right, and everything. and then they go and make casting make ridiculous casting decisions, would not have decisions, which would not have happened at the time and could not possibly have happened. >> yeah. and we often see, you know, drama set in the 1940s looking more modern day looking more like modern day islington . exactly. and is, is islington. exactly. and is, is this, do you think then specifically set out to target things which we cherish? so you mentioned agatha christie. we also see the same with winston churchill's attacks on the flag . churchill's attacks on the flag. >> it's all these things in the popular imagination. it's a very popular imagination. it's a very popular idea of englishness, britishness. but i think these are quite specifically english. as i said, with the landscape that was another one. every year i'm doubtless i will come on in september to talk to you about the last night the proms. we the last night of the proms. we have every year, and have that now every year, and it's usually emanating the it's usually emanating from the bbc, not only from the bbc,

bbc, but not only from the bbc, and it sort of daring people to protest. it's daring them to nofice. protest. it's daring them to notice . and therefore you have notice. and therefore you have to kind of say, well, actually, i'll have to ignore that somehow it doesn't seem right to me somehow, have ignore somehow, but i'll have to ignore it. and therefore it. and it's therefore undermining. constantly undermining. it's constantly undermining, you know, popular ideas of english tradition. and what is englishness in the popular imagination? >> and of course, this is a one way street we would never see, for example, a white actor cast as nelson mandela, would we? >> no, course not. you. you >> no, of course not. you. you wouldn't a production of, wouldn't have a production of, say, and or whatever say, porgy and bess or whatever on bbc with white actors. on the bbc with white actors. absolutely chance. absolutely no chance. it's entirely one way. and indeed, if it were the other way, it would be called cultural appropriation. and is this ever going to stop or is it, as you say specifically designed to rile us, to make us take the bait and we get called racist and gammon? >> oh yes. we call you get called all that kind of stuff. i think it is actually not to rile us, but actually to make a

political point . it is to show political point. it is to show really what is considered to be the right and acceptable ideology for our time. and this is an answer to your question , is an answer to your question, martin. no, i don't think it will stop. so far as the bbc is concerned, bbc, whatever it might say every so often, is totally unreformable . frankly, totally unreformable. frankly, i think the licence fee should be scrapped. you know ? but, i think scrapped. you know? but, i think that this seems like a small instance. but when you think about it, you know, it's relentless . every day there is relentless. every day there is something else. so as i said, we had this instance with the countryside paintings , you know, countryside paintings, you know, it's constable, which is one of the most famous paintings of people. love constable's haywain, you know, is that what is that now? racist? is that nationalistic? why is this being done. well i think you've raised some very interesting points. >> i think it's been done to, to specifically cajoles >> i think it's been done to, to spe(get1lly cajoles >> i think it's been done to, to spe(get1llreaction cajoles >> i think it's been done to, to spe(get1llreaction perhapsjoles and get a reaction perhaps that's what they want. >> they're playing games with us

i that it's it is i think though that it's it is the undermining of, of our culture by the very institutions that are meant protect it . that are meant to protect it. >> people thought, thank you very much. always a pleasure. as even very much. always a pleasure. as ever, whittle , the ever, peter whittle, the director of the new culture forum. excellent stuff. now a quick statement to read out when the was broadcast in the pale horse was broadcast in 2020, sarah phelps, bbc screenwriter, said this of course i've taken liberties . course i've taken liberties. havei course i've taken liberties. have i changed loads of stuff? yeah, of course i have. otherwise you'd have 30 hours of tv would you want to watch tv and would you want to watch it? no. i always go for the beating heart of what agatha is getting at, and she always throws your little clues, little quantum details, details ? yeah. quantum details, details? yeah. and yet you change them. that's a quote from sarah phelps. now, there's lots more still to come between now and 6:00, and we'll between now and 6:00, and we'll be heading over to raf scampton soon. as a cap is announced on how many asylum seekers will be housed there. but first, it's how many asylum seekers will be hous

i >> -- >> the top stories the government has started to identify. it says which illegal migrants will be on the first flights to rwanda. downing street said the initial cohort of people are now being contacted with the prime minister still determined. he says first says to see the first plane leaving later this spring, and mps are due to vote this evening on ten separate changes to the rwanda bill, suggested by peers from the house of lords tonight . from the house of lords tonight. meanwhile, the prime minister has been busy rebuffing speculation about a leadership challenge, saying he isn't interested in westminster politics. speaking in warwickshire today, rishi sunak urged his party to stick to the plan and told backbenchers the economy is turning a corner. he was forced to speak out after rumours suggested right wing tories may be lining up penny mordaunt to replace him . and in mordaunt to replace him. and in the west midlands today, the prime minister announced plans the west midlands today, the pricreate nister announced plans the west midlands today, the pricreate 20,000|nounced plans the west midlands today, the pricreate 20,000 new1ced plans to create 20,000 new apprenticeships. he pledged £60

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isn't just borderline ridiculous, isn'but anyway, looking >> but anyway, we'll be looking at happens . at that as it happens. >> also, ltns we need more >> also, ltns do we need more consultation things consultation on these things before they just dumped on people community people in their local community and i know that people have been talking about this scottish widow today . widow story today. >> owner of >> the lloyds, the owner of scottish suggesting that >> the lloyds, the owner of scotmight suggesting that >> the lloyds, the owner of scotmight want suggesting that >> the lloyds, the owner of scotmight want to uggesting that >> the lloyds, the owner of scotmight want to avoid:ing that >> the lloyds, the owner of scotmight want to avoid the that >> the lloyds, the owner of scotmight want to avoid the word you might want to avoid the word widows because it can be triggering. i to move triggering. well, i want to move on stupidity that, on from the stupidity of that, and to actually at and i want to actually look at what underpins this what underpins some of this stuff, so—called stuff, the so—called esg objectives organisations, objectives of organisations, where they have these huge tick boxes like the boxes around things like the environment and diversity and all the of it, is this all the rest of it, is this whole agenda a force for good that's much needed, is it that's much needed, or is it a little bit of a waste of time? >> so i want to look at that and shoplifting well. >> so i want to look at that and shoilifting well. >> so i want to look at that and shoi don't well. >> so i want to look at that and shoi don't knowzll. >> so i want to look at that and shoi don't know if. >> so i want to look at that and shoi don't know if you've seen >> i don't know if you've seen some headquarters at some of these headquarters at the of some of these headquarters at the stores, of some of these headquarters at the stores, the of some of these headquarters at the stores, the amount ofof these stores, the amount of money that they are money and time that they are investing stop investing to try and stop shoplifting. just wonder, shoplifting. i just wonder, though, of though, if it's all a waste of time, you think the ship has time, do you think the ship has sailed people sailed now? because people do seem people seem to think so many people that they can just wander in, get bags and scoop the get empty bags and scoop the contents of the shelves into them on. them and people just look on. >> think what we need in >> yeah, i think what we need in shops a michelle in

shops is a michelle dewberry in every give them a every shop. you soon give them a thick ear and they'd be clear enough. dewberry thick ear and they'd be clear enctilll. dewberry thick ear and they'd be clear enctill seven dewberry thick ear and they'd be clear enctill seven co dewberry six till seven dewbs& co unmissable start to the week. great stuff. now reports suggests that the home office has now capped the number of migrants waiting to be housed at raf scampton. of course, as the home of the historical dambusters, we're bringing you all soon. next, i'm all the latest soon. next, i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's channel

welcome back. it's 539. i'm martin daubney . this is gb news. now daubney. this is gb news. now we've got a few of your emails to go through here. on the topic of rwanda, you've been getting in touch in your hundreds. let's have this. this is from peter. not a chance of a single flight going to rwanda. the only way is to take these people straight

back to france . they are back to france. they are breaking the law. and if they won't say where they're from , won't say where they're from, it's. won't say where they're from, ifs.then won't say where they're from, it's. then france is a safe country. and they should be taken back to there. robert says this, for goodness sake, get on with deporting migrants who are not entitled to be in britain. in the first place. just get on and send them off to rwanda sharpish on this. on the same topic here, linda adds this . topic here, linda adds this. linda says the only growth in this country is lawlessness and mass immigration. the british taxpayers are being robbed to accommodate immigration. the potholes will get bigger and british taxpayers will disappear down them. eventually, the young british people have no incentive to work . jerry adds this martin, to work. jerry adds this martin, of course we had yvette cooper, the shadow home secretary on the show earlier on, setting out labour's plan to get to the root of solving immigration. and she said this, jerry, adds martin, how are labour going to deport

all the illegals living in hotels and to where if they have not, if they have no id then how can that even be done in the first place? i think they should be photographed, fingerprinted and a dna sample taken in case they try to enter the uk again. anthony adds this we keep going on about stopping the criminal gangs, but what about the criminals making millions out of housing these migrants, the lawyers who are milking the taxpayers to represent these illegals? there are many people benefiting from illegal migrants and that is why there is so much opposition to the crackdown on on the topic of rishi sunak, we were talking about record low polling for him, 23 points behind the labour party now, and rumours of penny mordaunt being put forward as a replacement prime minister for rishi ahead of any general election. anthony says this the tories have nothing now to lose. if they

dump rishi sunak. truthfully, though, there is nobody capable to replace him from that bunch in parliament. joan adds this waste of time , second in most of waste of time, second in most of the cabinet, would also have have to go plus all number 10 advisers and that would take simply months to get rid of them all. thank you very much for your opinions. let's move on now . veteran conservative mp sir edward leigh has published a letter in which a home office minister confirms that the number of migrants who will be housed at raf scampton is now set to be reduced to 800. the proposed use of the site to house migrants has caused, of course, a huge amount of controversy, with local people in particular expressing concern over the plans . and we've been over the plans. and we've been following this story since the very beginning. raf scampton, if you recall, was the site of the historic dambusters raids, a

cherished part of british military history , it was military history, it was initially earmarked for 2000 asylum seekers to be housed there . there, of course, was there. there, of course, was absolutely no consultation with the locals, many of whom have camped out now for over one year in tarpaulin, makeshift tents. they've been keeping a vigil, a brave and often lonely and cold vigil at that site to make sure that publicity is shone upon it. so it's gone down from 2000 to 800. of course, many of the locals didn't want any at all, but maybe this is some kind of a victory now response to the story a home office spokesperson has said the following. we remain committed to housing asylum seekers . that's asylum seekers. that's wethersfield and scampton. wethersfield, of course, is another raf base, this time in essex, and will manage occupancy at the sites while prioritising

welfare and integration. we are working closely to listen to the local community's views and reduce the impact of the sites, including through providing on site security and financial support . but the but the point support. but the but the point that the locals would say is that the locals would say is that they have been contesting for over a year now, and they don't feel listened to and they kept on protesting 2000 down to 800. is that a victory , or is 800. is that a victory, or is that simply rubbing it in? well, coming up, we could be in for a very wet easter weekend because it wouldn't be easter without a wet weekend, would it? but how much of that is down to climate change and how much it is simply down to weather? we'll hear from an expert. and that's all coming up in your next hour. i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel

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>> earlier on breakfast. >> good morning to you all. >> good morning to you all. >> and embattled prime minister is urging colleagues to stick with him as leadership rumours fail to disappear. >> conservative party is very united. we should not let disagreements turn into speculation. the public are so rude and so unkind and so demanding, as if they own her, as if they've bought her. >> be my. when i get home, the boys won't leave the girls alone. they pull my hair, they stole my comb. but that's all right. till i go home from six. >> it's breakfast on gb news. >> it's breakfast on gb news. >> welcome back. now, labour's tax raid on private schools could cost the british taxpayer a whopping £1.6 billion a year. sir keir starmer has promised to introduce vat on independent school fees if labour wins the general election, and the party claims the tax will generate

£1.7 billion to put towards state schools. but analysis from free market think tank the adam smith institute claims that the policy could cost more than it makes. let's get more detail on this report now from journalist and filmmaker lavina tandon. welcome to the show, lavina. this is often put forward as a way of raising revenue, but it strikes me. lavina it never gets thought through because surely the people who will be priced out of private schools are the parents and the children who can just about afford to get their to do their best. it won't affect the richest people at all. >> indeed . >> indeed. >> indeed. >> and, martin, it it always . >> and, martin, it it always. >> and, martin, it it always. >> we are delighted in life when we get a told you so moment. >> we are delighted in life when we get a told you so moment . and we get a told you so moment. and this is one of those actually it has come at the very , lovely has come at the very, lovely time for us, an opportune time for us, over 100,000 people, actually, 104, thousand people have signed to say that we are anything but posh and trying our

best to do the best for our children . children. >> and this report only goes on to reiterate that cast doubts with the ifs report on which labour stands its policy, and they themselves say it's uncertain. and this, adam smith institute report, casts further doubts on it. so yes, not only they are not making 1.6, actually they might be losing 1.6, actually, as the report points out, because the number of, number of people who might not be able to send their children to school could go up to 25. as the report says, i've not completely , read into every not completely, read into every detail of it, but i'm delighted that we are. what we have been saying has been substantiated by facts, by an institute. an independent institute at that. >> yeah . and, lavina, for full >> yeah. and, lavina, for full disclosure, i went to a comprehensive . but i've never comprehensive. but i've never had any problem with anybody who sent their kids to a private

school. if they can afford, if they want the best for their children, then good luck to them. that would them. another thing that would happen understand happen here, which i understand and is if you can't afford and is that if you can't afford any to send kids to any more to send your kids to a private then you go for private school, then you go for the school and that the best state school and that will force up property prices. and , they will force out and again, they will force out the harder up parents. all of this just creates less and less opportunity for the working classes. those at the bottom, they always get shafted . they always get shafted. >> indeed. and what we are trying to say here, martin, is that if labour's argument has been, that they are trying to do the best for the schools and the and the state schools , every and the state schools, every state school should do well, actually. and that should have come forth through so many years by creative politics and doing other things. but why ? why, why other things. but why? why, why punish parents like us who actually in turn , are the people actually in turn, are the people they say they are wanting to

support ? so we are anything but support? so we are anything but posh. support? so we are anything but posh . they are the kinds of posh. they are the kinds of people who are a part of this group, are public sector workers . they're working 2 or 3 jobs, some of them staying in shared accommodation, some of them renting a room of their house in order to support their income . order to support their income. and what is going to happen if this policy does come through is that it's going to hurt the very people they are trying to, to help in a way that, if the argument is that the school is going to absorb the fee , then going to absorb the fee, then not many schools will be able to. and what they will do if they really are forced to absorb this fee is to cut down. and their bursaries and their scholarships. thus, who suffers? the parents who actually, need they say they are helping. so it's a very counterproductive policy. it is pitting schools against each other, and it is

telling us in a way that, you don't matter . children of one do don't matter. children of one do not matter how what am i telling my child? because my definitely we won't be able to send a lot of them. i won't be able to send. so what am i telling my, son and daughter? that you don't matter eyes of matter in the eyes of a politicians or let's say sir keir starmer or bridget phillipson. they haven't spoken to us at all. they are listening to us at all. they are listening to the, to the other side of the story, who we for. stand we stand for state says state schools as well. but come and listen to us. we have a story to tell as well. and our story's complete. >> okay. lavina tandon , we have >> okay. lavina tandon, we have to leave it there. thank you for joining us. fascinating stuff. great stuff. now, a forecaster has warned that is more has warned that the uk is more likely to see snow at easter than is christmas. and of than it is at christmas. and of course, it's the easter weekend approaching and we are expecting approaching and we are expecting a washout. joining me now to tell me more is environmentalist and journalist nathan row. nathan why is it blooming well,

raining so much all the time at the moment, mate . the moment, mate. >> oh, i had a feeling you were going to blame me for this. >> martin, the moment, >> martin, at the moment, actually, been too bad . actually, it's not been too bad. it's quite dry in lots of parts of country. of the country. >> and you've noticed, it's >> and if you've noticed, it's actually mild, but we are actually quite mild, but we are going to see a change later this week, and it's all to do with low pressure to the southwest. >> actually been >> that's actually what's been bringing rain that bringing in the wet rain that we've seen where you have seen it week, but it's been it this week, but also it's been bringing in some warm, mild bringing in some very warm, mild southerly could push southerly winds which could push the temperatures to about 18 degrees the degrees tomorrow and into the middle of the week. >> but it is all going to change from the end of the week, when a shift in the pressure patterns will bring northerly air in, and that's we start into that's when we start moving into colder weather again and the potential for more rain. >> what we're going >> and that's what we're going to going forward >> and that's what we're going to the going forward >> and that's what we're going to the following oing forward >> and that's what we're going to the following week,»rward into the following week, as to whether is going whether that weather is going to hold out for easter, whether hold out for easter, or whether we're a last minute we're going to get a last minute reprieve of which doesn't look likely. >> well , i suspect once likely. >> well, i suspect once again, nathan raw, we're going to have another easter washout. thank

you for being the harbinger of great news. nathan brown, always a pleasure to have you on the show. now, you know, so wet in my local park, somebody thrown a shark fin in there, a wooden shark fin in there, a wooden shark fin. it looks like a shark fin is swimming in the park. that's how wet it is now, after the after the break is michelle dewberry six till seven. and of course , after that, it's nigel course, after that, it's nigel farage. be tomorrow. farage. i'll be back tomorrow. three till six. i've been martin daubney. thanks for joining three till six. i've been martin daubney. thanks forjoining me . daubney. thanks forjoining me. but now it's time for your latest weather with latest weather forecast with aidan mcgivern. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar . sponsors of weather on . solar. sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> hi there and welcome to the gb news forecast from the met office. it's a fine end to the day in the east with some bright sunshine , but turning cloudy in sunshine, but turning cloudy in the west with outbreaks of rain

heading in weather fronts out to the west already bringing thicker cloud into northern ireland. and those outbreaks of rain will soon sweeping and they'll push into western scotland , western fringes of scotland, western fringes of england as well as wales. the wind picking up gales for exposed parts of western scotland and the rain by the end of the night, reaching central and southeastern parts of the uk but tending to fizzle out as it crosses the country ten celsius by dawn. so the cloud, the wind and the rain tending to keep things relatively mild. but it will be a damp start to the day in many spots. however soon enough the cloud will lift and break the rain clears to showers. showers could occur just about anywhere , but most just about anywhere, but most likely across parts of the midlands into the south of the uk. some bright spells there for northern ireland and scotland into the afternoon. temperatures here 12 celsius further south, mild again 17 or 18 celsius in

the south—east wednesday, though, starts off on a damp note with outbreaks of rain pushing north into central parts of the uk. staying sunny in the far northwest and staying mostly dry in the far southeast. that rain clears to showers once again on thursday and friday, and it does turn a bit colder. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers as sponsors of weather on

all of it. will it ever actually get anywhere your thoughts on that? also, margaret thatcher has been labelled as a contemporary villain in a museum exhibition alongside folk like osama bin laden and adolf hitler . really? i mean, come on now, some people are , by the way,

some people are, by the way, have called for the removal of the funding from that museum. but isn't that a stretch too far as well? your thoughts on that also? ltns low traffic neighbourhoods government guidance says councils need to get approval now when they want to these things. do you to launch these things. do you have one in your area and do you backit have one in your area and do you back it ? also? get this the back it? also? get this the owner of scottish widows has issued guidance to issued new staff guidance to avoid, others, word avoid, among others, the word widow because it may be triggering. i just to press triggering. i just need to press pause the stupidity of all of pause on the stupidity of all of this for a moment, and i want to instead focus what makes instead focus on what makes companies way. there's companies act this way. there's esg d0 companies act this way. there's esg do you even know esg strategies. do you even know what is? where they what that is? it's where they desperately and tick boxes desperately try and tick boxes around things like environment and ifs around things like environment and it's all of this and diversity. it's all of this much needed and a force for good or not. and the lengths that stores are now going to try and stop shoplifting are absolutely eye—watering. any it eye—watering. but will any of it make a blind bit of difference, or has the ship already sailed ? or has the ship already sailed? indeed.so or has the ship already sailed? indeed. so we're going to get

stuck into all of that