determined to see minister still determined to see the first plane leaving later this spring. rishi sunak says he's committed to getting flights off the ground . flights off the ground. >> it's important that we get the rwanda scheme up and running because we need have because we need to have a deterrent. we need to make it clear if you come here clear that if you come here illegally, able clear that if you come here ill�* stay y, able clear that if you come here ill�* stay and able clear that if you come here ill�* stay and we able clear that if you come here ill�* stay and we will able clear that if you come here ill�* stay and we will be able le clear that if you come here ill�* stay and we will be able to to stay and we will be able to remove that is the only way remove you. that is the only way to properly the issue of to properly solve the issue of illegal migration. now we've made numbers made good progress, both numbers were down by a third last year, so that shows that our plan is working. order to finish working. but in order to finish the need the rwanda the job, we need the rwanda scheme through . we are getting scheme through. we are getting it parliament. everyone it through parliament. everyone is including is trying to block us, including the party, because they the labour party, because they do a plan tackle do not have a plan to tackle this we i am this problem. we do. i am determined to see it through, get deterrent running get the deterrent up and running as quickly possible. get the deterrent up and running as �*well,y possible. get the deterrent up and running as �*well, the possible. get the deterrent up and running as �*well, the shadowe. get the deterrent up and running as �*well, the shadow home >> well, the shadow home secretary, yvette cooper, told gb news. government needs to gb news. the government needs to get grip on the situation. get a grip on the situation. >> strengthen our >> we need to strengthen our border security and fix the chaos in the asylum system because under the conservatives we've really seen criminal gangs take hold along the channel and

then this huge soaring backlog with asylum hotel use that is costing the taxpayer billions. so instead of all the gimmicks that we've had from rishi sunak and the conservatives, our plan is to get a grip that starts with the new cross border police to go after the criminal gangs to go after the criminal gangs to smash the gang networks and prevent boats arriving on the french coast in the first place. >> well , french coast in the first place. >> well, meanwhile, the prime minister announced plans to create 20,000 new apprenticeships, pledging £60 million worth of new investment to cover fully funded training for young people and a reduction in red tape for small businesses . the government says the full cost of apprenticeships will be offered to applicants aged 21 or under firms from the under at small firms from the 1st of april. now, the government's warn that the sales of heat pumps will need to increase dramatically to achieve climate change targets. the government wants to install 600,000 low carbon heat pumps every year by 2028, but the

national audit office says ministers were too optimistic to think that target could be reached, despite the government's climate aims, only 55,000 heat pumps have been sold in the uk in 2022, the independent public spending watchdog said efforts to encourage people to install heat pumps have been slow because costs remained high and costs have remained high and pubuc costs have remained high and public awareness, they say, is low . that's the news. for the low. that's the news. for the latest stories, do sign up to gb news alerts, scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. carmelites . carmelites. >> well, my audience question tonight is very much in tune with what's going on in the house of commons right now. will the rwanda bill work? it's a big question . clearly a lot's riding question. clearly a lot's riding on it. we've got talk of rishi sunaks premiership once again being in jeopardy, talk of a stalking horse candidate in penny morden. again, the tories have descended into a degree of

psychodrama. is the rwanda plan the answer ? i'd love to know the answer? i'd love to know from you if you think the rwanda plan will actually rescue rishi sunak. how much do care sunak. how much do you care about rwanda plan? do you about the rwanda plan? do you need work in order vote need it to work in order to vote for tories, have you for the tories, or have you given on them? do. email given up on them? do. email farage at gbnews.com or tweet or indeed contact me on x with the hashtag farage on gb news. well, before we speak to christopher hope, who's in the commons mopping up the atmosphere, let's bnngin mopping up the atmosphere, let's bring in our guests. now we've got turner with me, who's got paul turner with me, who's an immigration lawyer, and i've also doctor parth patel also got doctor parth patel with me from institute for me, who's from the institute for pubuc me, who's from the institute for public let's public policy research. let's turn to you. first of all, paul, i mean, a lot is at stake here. it seems quite political. i think the rwanda plan in its entirety, if they do pass this legislation , we know there's legislation, we know there's ping legislation, we know there's ping pong going on between the commons and the lords , but say commons and the lords, but say they do pass it. and we heard from harper , the transport from mark harper, the transport secretary, the weekend, secretary, at the weekend, saying flights saying he hopes that flights will take off this spring. i mean, we're the spring, but mean, we're in the spring, but he's sort of suggesting would

he's sort of suggesting it would be june time . will be around may, june time. will it work or will it just face constant legal challenge in the courts? >> well, i think the major challenge that it faces , if it challenge that it faces, if it is, passed and it's likely to be given the majority , is that, the given the majority, is that, the bill as it, as it sets out, does not exclude, applications directly to the european court of human rights. and there are two pretty clear avenues. one is one what's called article 13, which is the right to an effective remedy. and the other one is the underlying that the people will be badly treated when they get to rwanda . and when they get to rwanda. and those are not excluded by the bill itself. so yeah, this was the problem that the right wingers had because they did want to exclude any sort of legal challenge by a foreign court, they ? court, didn't they? >> those notwithstanding >> we had those notwithstanding clauses cash and clauses that bill cash and others up with. and i think others came up with. and i think the intention that was to the intention of that was to stop this sort of constant legal battle going on with the home office wanting to deport people and those people employing lawyers like yourself to say,

no, you can't do it because you're breaching our european and other human rights. >> , that's right. there >> yes, that's right. and there was brinkmanship was an element of brinkmanship which is i'm essentially disavowing the echr in statute is essentially crossing the rubicon and placing the united kingdom out with international law. >> although didn't we say that we weren't going to abide by international law when it came to prisoner voter rights? i mean, we have turned round and said we will ignore a foreign court if we think our domestic legislation should jump it, trump it, and yet at the same time , we get a lot on the left time, we get a lot on the left of the tories party's sort of crying foul saying it's crying foul and saying it's going a reneging of our going to be a reneging of our international obligations , but international obligations, but we it before. we have done it before. >> i think is the level of >> i think this is the level of this potential, disavowing of what is, in fact, international law is going to put the united kingdom in breach of quite a lot of conventions and international treaties. and i'm sure a lot of the right wingers would say that that parliament is sovereign,

but it's sovereign. but the uk is subject to international treaties and that there's an obugafion treaties and that there's an obligation on the uk to act in good faith in respect of those international treaties . so to international treaties. so to disavow them in statute in, in such an exceptional manner over what is really only a few hundred people is. >> let's bring doctor patel into the conversation here, i mean, i think from the point of view of the gb audience, if this is domestic legislation that gets passed through both houses, albeit it looks as if these amendments that have been tabled by the house of lords will probably just be rejected by the commons. argue commons. so it you could argue that legislation is that the legislation is a compromise. the government hasn't of the hasn't kowtowed to all of the right wingers in the party. actually, the left wingers have got way what they wanted, got in a way what they wanted, which more of which is a bit more of a measured piece of legislation than might have demanded. measured piece of legislation théthis might have demanded. measured piece of legislation théthis domestic have demanded. measured piece of legislation théthis domestic legislationinded. so this domestic legislation should stand, shouldn't it? it shouldn't be kiboshed by foreign courts. that's not really what domestic legislation is all about. if it's been passed through a house of commons by mps who are democratically

elected by the british public. >> so there's a couple of things there. the first is, is sort of there. the first is, is sort of the legitimacy of passing this legislation. and the second is the left and right wing. i think i'm going to stick to the first for now, it's important to say it's not a foreign court. it's a court. we are part of. sure. >> and i suppose when i'm saying foreign, i'm saying external to our domestic situation, external , and not voted for in any way by the british public. and so therefore, it's worth asking, why does it exist? >> yes. right. and in any democracy, people with power will abuse it. that the purpose of our constitutional democracy to separate where power lies is exactly that it's to stop the government abusing power. it's to stop parliament abusing power and stop the courts abusing power. >> trying to stop smuggling >> it's trying to stop smuggling gangs abusing the law. >> it's trying to stop smuggling garwell, abusing the law. >> it's trying to stop smuggling garwell, the busing the law. >> it's trying to stop smuggling garwell, the legislation law. >> it's trying to stop smuggling garwell, the legislation lsn. >> well, the legislation is targeted as a deterrent to try and stop people on small boats coming to the united kingdom. it's not criminalising smuggling

gangs. that would be a different form of legislation . and it's form of legislation. and it's worth thinking about why that business that's business is booming. that's partly result british partly a result of british government's regardless. partly a result of british governthelt's regardless. partly a result of british governthe question regardless. partly a result of british governthe question here rdless. partly a result of british governthe question here about right. the question here about the courts is slightly different to the entire . to the logic of the entire. >> but then you could say that the reason why we can't legislate to stop necessarily foreign is foreign smuggling gangs is because we can't have jurisdiction over lots of different countries. as far as people smuggling people can tell, these smuggling gangs are huge criminal conglomerate people conglomerate of lots of people from lots of different countries across europe. so obviously that takes multinational takes a kind of multinational approach. but what trying approach. but what we're trying to enforce domestic to do here is enforce domestic legislation that's representative of what the pubuc representative of what the public wants . if you poll the public wants. if you poll the public, the public wants illegal migration to stop and for the small boats to stop, doesn't it? yeah, that's not quite the same as the saying the rwanda policy is popular the public. is popular with the public. >> not >> it is categorically not popular. true. and that's popular. that's true. and that's what just what varies is it's not just a legal problem. also just legal problem. it's also just like terrible value like an emphatic, terrible value for money. >> okay. well, value for >> okay. well, the value for money a really good money thing is a really good point we now learn that point because we now learn that it's cost 230,000 per

it's going to cost 230,000 per asylum them asylum seeker to send them to rwanda, potentially , if you rwanda, potentially, if you factor in all of the costs. i think it's a really good point and come back to that in and we'll come back to that in just a moment yeah, just a moment about, yeah, people migration to people want illegal migration to stop, they want the stop, but do they want the rwanda per se? seems rwanda plan per se? that seems to be a point. let's bring to be a moot point. let's bring chopper the conversation chopper into the conversation now. hope the now. christopher hope, the political in the now. christopher hope, the politic.of in the now. christopher hope, the politic.of parliament the now. christopher hope, the politic.of parliament for us. house of parliament for us. chopper going there? chopper what's going on there? i mean, of this keeps mean, the timing of this keeps on flopping, we think there on flip flopping, we think there are votes at 8 pm. are going to be votes at 8 pm. what's you what's going to happen? do you think ? think? >> that's right. hi. hi, camilla. that's right. there's going to be ten votes, ten divisions of the house of commons to overturn ten different attempts by the house of lords to weaken , if you're of lords to weaken, if you're the government or to improve if you're the lords. this rwanda bill and that those should all go through. we'll see. robert buckland being one of the very, very few tory mps to vote against the government. it's on areas as whether areas such as voting whether rwanda , it needs to be called rwanda, it needs to be called a safe country before the first flights can take off. it's other issues as around whether people

coming here from allied countries can be sent to rwanda or their own country they've come from. there's ten different areas, all quite technical, but it's quite important to the government. to be government. there seem to be strong getting them out, strong and getting them out, getting out. we getting them reversed out. we heard today from number 10 how they at what they are now looking at what they are now looking at what they are now looking at what they a cohort of illegally they call a cohort of illegally arrived seekers. they arrived asylum seekers. they will get letters contacted and told they'll be on the first flights. those first flights they are subject to challenges in the courts. every one of those cases, i imagine, will find a lawyer. they will then be a battle through the courts. despite what parliament has happened, week . happened, has passed. this week. we are expecting the commons to win today and it goes back to the lords on on wednesday. so at the lords on on wednesday. so at the beginning of a process which could end of this, this could be the end of this, this two, nearly year for two, nearly two year wait for the rwanda to become law , the rwanda plan to become law, chris, how much is riding on this for rishi sunak? obviously today we've read all of the reports about penny mordaunt. his leadership is once again being called into question. we've had yet more catastrophic

polling in the weekend, papers suggesting that the tories are heading for some kind of electoral oblivion and clearly this is one of his pledges in his five point plan. so it's important. but is this really going to be what changes the dial? what moves the dial for people to go back to the tories, do you think ? do you think? >> well, camilla, it might do. i think that'll only happen when these flights finally take off. we've heard from labour today how they would drop the rwanda plan, if it's working . so plan, even if it's working. so whether whether that's enough to make make it work. make it happen, make it work. we're not sure. i think there's a lot to be decided for rishi sunak. i think he is in some danger tonight , i didn't think danger tonight, i didn't think i'd be saying this, but it looks like the tories could be looking at a third attempt at regicide in a little under 4 or 4 and a half years, i've been told by a very senior tory tonight that there a move against mr there could be a move against mr sunak as soon as this week. that could happen in two different ways, whether sir graham brady

leaves a group of senior tories to go and see mr sunak and tell him that you've got to change course or do something dramatic or it's all over, that others are saying that the number of 53, this number of no confidence letters could be, could be tripped over by a mistake. as many as 40 have gone in already to graham brady, been to sir graham brady, have been told two senior sources. told by two two senior sources. another six went in over the weekend in the wake of lyons and defecting , of course. and then defecting, of course. and then that the over the comments that the row over the comments by donor about diane abbott, by the donor about diane abbott, he is some danger tonight . he is in some danger tonight. the odds of penny mordaunt becoming leader have been slashed by major bookmakers. people look at her and think, well, is she the answer? but for many on the right she's a blank canvas. it'd be like theresa may. no one knows what she really thinks about some key tory areas , but is someone tory areas, but she is someone who labour fears the who the labour party fears the most, and i think that most, i think. and i think that right a massive week right now this is a massive week for rishi sunak. unexpectedly, he's seeing the party 22 on wednesday. there should be some better economic news, but i

think people are defecting and moving away from him. the herd is moving away from the pm as we speak , and he's got to do speak, and he's got to do something this week to reassure them. >> thank you very much indeed. christopher hope, who's in the house commons watching that house of commons watching that vote will updating vote for us and will be updating us this evening, i us later on this evening, i mean, god, a third, a third mean, my god, a third, a third act of regicide for the tory party in as many years. i'm not sure whether these people are, i don't know, completely deranged or just desperate, don't know, completely deranged orjust desperate, doctor don't know, completely deranged or just desperate, doctor patel, the cost of this plan is probably what's putting the pubuc probably what's putting the public off it. do you think ? public off it. do you think? >> i don't think that's what's putting the public off it. i think the absurdity is probably what puts public off it. but what puts the public off it. but the kind of mind blowing the cost is kind of mind blowing . it's exceptionally poor value for at the for money, and that's at the best current, for money, and that's at the best times current, for money, and that's at the best times where current, for money, and that's at the best times where currdon't even these times where we don't even know we can see a doctor or a know if we can see a doctor or a copperin know if we can see a doctor or a copper in an hour of need. it's just irresponsible. i mean, there was question mark in there was a question mark in people's when the country there was a question mark in pe0|rwanda. when the country there was a question mark in peosubsequently, 1en the country there was a question mark in peo subsequently, 1er be e country there was a question mark in peosubsequently, 1er be fair,jntry >> subsequently, to be fair, some even the some european nations, even the eu itself, has talked about processing in a third party country, not necessarily one

country, but not necessarily one with a history genocide, that with a history of genocide, that 230 grand per asylum seeker. how does that compare with how they're processed? now? if you didn't send one to rwanda, how much would it cost comparatively , it's four times as expensive, right? okay. paul turner, your reaction, first of all, to the cost. but also we heard from christopher hope they're talking about even if the legislation is passed , it can be subject passed, it can still be subject to multiple challenges. to multiple legal challenges. that's interpretation too, right? >> yes. and the law provides that that legal challenges are open to people, and would open to people, and i would imagine that most people would avail themselves of those legal challenges perfectly as they're perfectly entitled to. yeah. >> i mean, as an immigration lawyer, you're at the lawyer, you're looking at the rwanda to be passed, rwanda bill about to be passed, rubbing together with rwanda bill about to be passed, rubbi|thinking together with rwanda bill about to be passed, rubbi|thinking to together with rwanda bill about to be passed, rubbi|thinking to yourself, er with glee, thinking to yourself, well, have another well, i'm going to have another busy year sadly it's not busy year, sadly not. it's not an area that i particularly specialise in, but but i feel more for the individuals that are caught up in this because they're threatened with this removal to rwanda, which doesn't take place. live under take place. they live under a huge amount of uncertainty,

which see with my clients which i do see with my clients on a the human face of people seeking to regularise their status or have suffered through poverty , and i feel sorry more poverty, and i feel sorry more sorry for them, really. and also the taxpayer. i mean, as doctor patel picked up the total cost of this, it's four times as much to process somebody in rwanda. but that's essentially a to use a tum, a to the rwandan government per person. yeah, that's an exception to the 500 million they're going to get. okay, paul turner, parth patel, thank you very much indeed for joining me this evening, coming up next, we're going to have an update on raf scampton . you update on raf scampton. you know, that's the old, raf base that's migrants . that's been housing migrants. it's got a bit of a development on that story. and course, on that story. and of course, stay tuned, because will tell stay tuned, because i will tell you farage is and you where nigel farage is and what he's been up

to. welcome back to farage with me. camilla tominey. don't worry . i camilla tominey. don't worry. i will tell you where the nigel is and what he's doing. a little later in the show . so stay later in the show. so stay tuned, please, because it's a big announcement that won't big announcement that you won't want we were want to miss. now, we were talking about rwanda plan talking about the rwanda plan just house of commons just now. the house of commons is debating the is currently debating the legislation, and there's going to be vote at 8 pm. and my to be a vote at 8 pm. and my audience question tonight was, will plan, save rishi will the rwanda plan, save rishi sunak. will that bill being passed in parliament save the prime minister after we just heard there heard from chopper there suggesting , heard from chopper there suggesting, i think that more letters of no confidence have gone to sir graham brady, the gone in to sir graham brady, the chairman 1922 committee chairman of the 1922 committee and another prime minister, another tory prime minister's future is looking in jeopardy. sheila said forget the rwanda bill, just withdraw the pull factor. for example, five star treatment when they get here. it's a good point, sheila. what was i reading? we now have 52,900 asylum seekers in hotels at a cost of . you'll be familiar at a cost of. you'll be familiar with this figure, but let's just repeat it. £8 million per day, henry said. rwanda is not a

plan. it's a catastrophic catastrophe in british taxpayers are paying for it, hardly a ringing endorsement of the legislation there, robert says i've given up on the tories. as far as i'm concerned, the party is finished, having voted conservative on every general election since day one. i am now 80 years of age and have had enough, and i don't think he's the only one. well, we've also got an update on a different kind of migrant story i told you about hotels there, but of about the hotels there, but of course there also former course there are also former military bases that are being used to house migrants and gb news east midlands reporter will hollis is at raf scampton for us. will i understand there's an update what's happened? >> yes. well it's a dramatic compromise on the part of the home office. for the last year we've been told that raf scampton here in lincolnshire , scampton here in lincolnshire, will be housing 2000 asylum seekers. wethersfield in essex, which is already housing asylum seekers , would be housing around

seekers, would be housing around 1700. but today we've had a massive climb down in a letter that was released by the local mp, conservative sir edward leigh, the mp for gainsborough , leigh, the mp for gainsborough, released the letter from thomas pursglove which said that there has been a review of occupancy capacity. now thomas pavel stroilov is the minister for immigration at the home office and it seems that after months and it seems that after months and months of turmoil here at raf scampton, legal challenges criminal incidents the home office has decided that 2000 asylum seekers is just far too many. now. there will be space for an additional 300, so it's expected that 800 asylum seekers will be staying here at raf scampton, with the space for 300 more, which is the current figure that is at raf wethersfield now. sir edward leigh celebrated this success in

his eyes. he said that he's pleased but is looking for more reassurances in regards to the fact that asylum seekers will only be accommodated at scampton for a temporary period, but also that asylum seekers won't be granted access to the to the married living quarters. the former married living quarters is where officers used to live when they were stationed here at raf scampton. but now those homes have been bought by members of the public and it's mostly those members of the pubuc mostly those members of the public that come down here to raf scampton to protest and campaign every single day . we campaign every single day. we have had an official home office statement which says that we remain committed to housing asylum seekers at wethersfield and scampton and will manage occupancy at the sites while prioritising welfare and integration . varne. they integration. varne. they continued by saying we are working closely to listen to the local community's views and reduce the impact of these

sites, including through providing on site security and financial support. now, gb news has reached out to the council that has been contending with the home office, west lindsey district council and we have so far not had a statement from them. >> thank you very much indeed for that update. will now let's move on to other matters. foreign affairs . and vladimir foreign affairs. and vladimir putin, of course, has won a fifth terms as russian president by a landslide , won 88% of the by a landslide, won 88% of the vote in what i think we can all agree wasn't a free and fair election. the opposition leaders that he had all polled on about 2.5, none of them questioned his behaviour in regards to ukraine orindeed behaviour in regards to ukraine or indeed earlier than that , or indeed earlier than that, crimea, he did address the death of alexei navalny, but basically said it was one of those things that happens to people in prison. let's bring michael basescu now into the conversation. he's a global affairs analyst , conversation. he's a global affairs analyst, michael, if i may call you that, we heard from grant shapps in the telegraph

today describing putin as a modern day stalin, making the point that he, i think next year will be in office for a quarter of a century. so almost as long as stalin already . do of a century. so almost as long as stalin already. do you of a century. so almost as long as stalin already . do you agree as stalin already. do you agree with that analysis? >> sure, absolutely . and he will >> sure, absolutely. and he will be in power longer than even catherine the great. what an achievement. but of course, these , i call them voter these, i call them voter exercises. you can't even call them elections are ones that don't even meet the low barrier of the russian constitution itself, the failure to allow opposition candidates to run the suppression of media, that sort of thing, even, in, occupied areas of ukraine, armed thugs went around, escorted people either to the ballot box or visited them at their home. and watched as they were voting. this was an election in many areas of the country by the barrel of the gun, and also it needs to be said that, in

wartime conditions or in occupied area, it is against international law to have to force people to vote or encourage them to vote. so, it's, it's, something, mr putin is very proud of, of course. and by the way, you mentioned camilla. mr navalny. and i noted in that press conference, it was the first time any of us can recall that he actually said his name out loud. so that was interesting, too. >> yeah, i thought that was interesting. i mean, i looked at him that press conference and him in that press conference and the arrogance with he kind the arrogance with which he kind of answered that of casually answered that question, i thought spoke to a russian that seems russian president that now seems emboldened by this fifth time in office. , obviously, the office. i mean, obviously, the death of navalny was very timely, coming ahead of these elections, what does the picture look like for russia? because i suppose we can both agree that, well, navalny was alive. there was a degree of hope that there could be some regime change. and now that hope has been lost . now that hope has been lost. >> sure. and let's not forget the public execution of mr prigozhin as well. the head of the wagner group. so i think,

for the average russian, it's the period after a voting exercise like this that most people are concerned about, because that's usually when harsher policies are announced, for example, harsher economic policies, you'll recall, a few years ago, they lowered they lowered the age for retirement . lowered the age for retirement. in addition, i think what we may see now that putin feels emboldened that he has he feels he has the support of the russian public, probably another wave of mass mobilisation. and that's something a lot of russians are not looking forward to, especially, folks who live in, saint petersburg and moscow because they've been mostly exempt from that. i'm usually based in ukraine, and, i am a little bit more anxious because i think this will also be a pivot point for mr putin, to, believe it or not, take even harsher actions against ukraine. they've already been doing so with more high tech missiles, more destructive means on civilian areas , also jamming of

civilian areas, also jamming of gps signals, you name it, the whole range of war. yes, hybrid warfare has been , employed by warfare has been, employed by them, yet at the same time , it them, yet at the same time, it has been encouraging to see some of these sort of silent protests on the streets of russia. we've had ballot boxes and ballot papers ruined. we've had this sort of silent flash mobs. obviously, people have to be very careful there that they're not protesting too overtly. do we take some comfort from the fact that there is this very quiet, very subtle? and by the way, very brave uprising in russia against putin? >> oh, absolutely. because it's very dangerous , to do so. in very dangerous, to do so. in fact, a young chap was arrested the other day for having as his wi—fi name, slovo . glory to wi—fi name, slovo. glory to ukraine. i mean, that's how intense things are there right now. but if you look at the polling, in the run up to this election, you will find that there's a quite a big gap between what people actually want and what they expect mr putin to deliver. so, for example, a lot of polling says

that they would russians would like to have relations like to have warmer relations with the west, but there's no way will come from mr way that will come from mr putin. i have to say that mr putin. i have to say that mr putin i mean, you have give putin i mean, you have to give him credit for one thing is he has convinced a lot of people he has convinced a lot of people he has driven fear into the average russian, it's the west or russian, that it's the west or the rest of the world against russia, and that we have to stand to them. so, in this stand up to them. so, in this very , very controlled media very, very controlled media environment, he's able get environment, he's able to get away with statements like that so that that gives him a lot of, a lot of room to string the russian people along . russian people along. >> final question, michael. i mean, obviously, his time in office could end if he passes away. and there have been questions in the past about his health. but the other option, of course, is he is deposed somehow. you see that somehow. can you see that happening? that likely to happen? >> well, you know, he's he's gotten rid of a lot of enemies, you have to admit, including, you have to admit, including, you know, mr prigozhin, as i mentioned to the wagner group, and, you know, there's still a lot men out there with very

lot of men out there with very sophisticated weaponry that are loyal to the wagner group. so he has be careful about that . has to be careful about that. the other thing is, you know, mr typically in the kremlin, mr putin has been very good at playing people against each other, but i think you can reach a point where people are fed up or because of something or perhaps, because of something like war, some of like the ukraine war, some of the oligarchs who have been promised protection, who have been very, very been promised very, very fat bank accounts no longer bank accounts are no longer getting uninterrupted, getting those uninterrupted, chains of revenue. so that could prompt some action against mr putin. let's see, i think it would make a very, very big difference, at least in terms of the war in ukraine. probably someone more sensible coming in and saying enough enough, too and saying enough is enough, too many , too much damage to many deaths, too much damage to the economy. end the russian economy. let's end this for and all. this thing once for and all. >> michael bacescu, thank >> okay. michael bacescu, thank you much indeed for joining you very much indeed for joining me this evening. >> pleasure. thank you. >> my pleasure. thank you. >> my pleasure. thank you. >> well, as promised, he's not in here. i promise he's not down there. no he's not. where is nigel farage? where could he be?

where could he possibly be? who could he have possibly have been talking to? don't anywhere talking to? don't go anywhere because after this short break, i'm going to revealing

all. welcome back to farage with me . welcome back to farage with me. camilla tominey. lovely to have your company this evening, well, the princess of wales has finally been spotted out and about with the children. at the weekend. she was windsor weekend. she was at the windsor farm as you can farm shop. and as you can imagine , i'm sure of you imagine, i'm sure some of you are that i wear a royal are aware that i wear a royal hat occasion and i comment on hat on occasion and i comment on royal matters. can you even hat on occasion and i comment on royal ilo tters. can you even hat on occasion and i comment on royal ilo think can you even hat on occasion and i comment on royal ito think howyou even hat on occasion and i comment on royal ito think how manyen hat on occasion and i comment on royal ito think how many people begin to think how many people have over have contacted me over the course of last weeks, course of the last few weeks, asking , course of the last few weeks, asking, what's course of the last few weeks, asking , what's wrong with kate? asking, what's wrong with kate? where she? why she done where is she? why has she done a disappearing act? can i just clear up here for clear something up here for everybody? because it is everybody? just because it is really straightforward. everybody? just because it is reallback straightforward. everybody? just because it is reallback instraightforward. everybody? just because it is reallback in january,irward. everybody? just because it is reallback in january, the rd. this back in january, the princess of wales had a major operation . it was so major, she operation. it was so major, she was required to stay in the london clinic for 13 nights. and anyone that's ever been in

hospital for just anyone that's ever been in hospital forjust a anyone that's ever been in hospital for just a few anyone that's ever been in hospital forjust a few nights hospital for just a few nights knows that that's a very big stretch of time. admittedly, the palace haven't us exactly palace haven't told us exactly what done , apart from what she's had done, apart from had surgery. may , had abdominal surgery. she may, in the fullness of time, tell us what she's had done and why she's had it done. but in the meantime, they did say that she would be recuperating at would be recuperating until at least the earliest . so least easter at the earliest. so the reason we haven't seen her is because she is recovering at home. she lives in a place called adelaide cottage, which is on the windsor great park estate, and that's what she's doing. i can't quite understand all of these mad conspiracy theories flying around the internet. she's been abducted by aliens, you know, she's moved to the outer hebrides, you know , the outer hebrides, you know, she's still in hospital. it's all nonsense , as is most of the all nonsense, as is most of the stuff on social media, let's be honest. so just to reassure you, she is doing what kensington palace said she would be doing, which recovering from very which is recovering from a very serious think serious operation. i think there's been a report in the telegraph to suggest that telegraph today to suggest that she appearance on

she may make an appearance on easter that's not easter sunday. so that's not this next sunday this sunday, but next sunday she might the royals at church. might join the royals at church. let's she's okay. let's just hope she's okay. that's my personal view on it. you know, she's a young woman. she's a mum of three. she's had a op. let's just let her a major op. let's just let her recover in peace is my take on it. for what it's worth , we're it. for what it's worth, we're also going to do a what? the farage, which i to call farage, which i like to call campbell. leave it when i do the show. i appreciate what the farage or wtf probably works a bit but can you believe bit better, but can you believe it ? well, let's about it? well, let's talk about donald because according donald trump because according to the news headlines, donald trump has dropped an absolute clanger. he said that there will be a bloodbath if he loses the election. he says in the ohio campaign rally, he said there will be a bloodbath if he loses again. we've got the guardian here saying he predicts a bloodbath if he loses. and indeed we have nbc and other left leaning channels talking about him, talking about a bloodbath . clearly, the bloodbath. clearly, the implication is that donald trump is trying to evoke the spirit of the january the sixth riots.

he's back to his old tricks again, talking about a bloodbath. it's completely inappropriate. but of course, words do matter . so let's see words do matter. so let's see what he was actually referring to when he made this comment. let's see the clip. >> if you're listening . >> if you're listening. president xi and you and i are friends, but he understands the way i deal those big monster car manufacturing plants that you're building in mexico. right now, and you think you're going to get that, you're going to not hire americans and you're going to sell the cars to us? no, we're going to put a 100% tariff on every single car that comes across the line, and you're not going to be able to sell those guysifi going to be able to sell those guys if i get elected. now, if i don't get elected , it's going to don't get elected, it's going to be a bloodbath for the whole that's going to be the least of it. it's to be a bloodbath it. it's going to be a bloodbath for country. that'll be the for the country. that'll be the least of but they're not least of it. but they're not going those cars. going to sell those cars. they're massive they're building massive factories . factories. >> point of fact, he's talking about it being a bloodbath for the . he's not talking the economy. he's not talking about bloodbath general. so

about a bloodbath in general. so i mean, like or loathe trump and many people like him and many people loathe him. let's at least him accurately. if least quote him accurately. if we're be covering this we're going to be covering this election i mean, we've election campaign. i mean, we've only knows how many only got goodness knows how many more leads more months of this. which leads me into next segment, me nicely into our next segment, because i'm delighted to be joined now by the mystery man of the nigel farage. now, the hour, nigel farage. now, nigel, i've been drafted in to replace you in your absence. you must tell us all. please. where on earth are you and what on earth are you doing? >> well, first things first, camilla. thank you for coming in at very short notice. i had hoped to broadcast the show today, but when the 45th president of the united states and maybe if you believe the polls, the 47th president of the us says, come to mar—a—lago and do a big sit down exclusive interview, the answer is that we should do it. so we did it, and we've just been with him, but i got back just a few minutes ago, and you won't be surprised to hear that. of course, bloodbath was discussed and you were quite

right a moment ago that the context was clear. it was all about the american car industry. it was all about the american economy. and yet the media and by the way, not just the american media, quite large segments of the uk media have completely and utterly dishonestly misinterpreted those comments and their context. i also talked to him about prince harry and meghan. of course, you know, harry being one of our latest exports to the usa , i latest exports to the usa, i have a feeling that if he becomes president, have a feeling that if he becomes president , there'll be a becomes president, there'll be a re—examination of what harry said on his visa forms. did he admit to taking lsd style mushrooms? did he admit to taking cocaine and cannabis? because if he did well, he should not have had an american visa. so maybe some very tough times for prince harry coming up. you know, if trump gets back on november the 7th and the polls in the swing states suggest that he's doing incredibly well, we also talked about the remarkable demographic

change that is taking place here. trump's support amongst the black voters has more than doubled , in fact, almost trebled doubled, in fact, almost trebled since the last election back in 2020. the same things emerging with the hispanics, but the biggest part of the interview, camilla, and this is really important, i think, for the world is i have got an absolutely definitive answer from trump about what his policy will be as regards nato and whether america would come and protect those countries like estonia or poland. if russia was to invade. and i'm going to i'm going to keep that one back for tomorrow. if i may. but it is it is a very important answer. >> i mean, the journalist in me, of course, wants you to give me every cough and of this every cough and spit of this interview, we're going to interview, but we're going to have until tomorrow. have to wait until tomorrow. so we're going this on gb we're going to air this on gb news night, 7 pm, as news tomorrow night, 7 pm, as normal. it's going be in your normal. it's going to be in your show take up, i would show and take up, i would imagine, nigel, whole imagine, nigel, the whole show. i mean, general. did he i mean, in general. how did he seem? his mood, how seem? what's his mood, how confident of winning ?

confident is he of winning? >> quite extraordinary. i mean, given the amount of his time that has been taken up with lawyers and with endless court cases and massive fines being issued from new york, incidentally, on the basis that mar—a—lago was valued at $18 million. i mean, i should think that the front entrance is worth more than that . despite more than that. despite everything, he is astonishingly resilient . he weighs quite a bit resilient. he weighs quite a bit less than he did back in 2020. he looks leaner, he looks fitter. he genuinely looks very, very well, he's very confident that he will win on november the 5th, the date of the general election. here. i tell you what, he's in very good heart. he's in very good humour. he thought he told a couple of anecdotes about conversations with our late, beloved queen, i think you'll find the interview is very, very wide ranging indeed, but, yeah, there's no question his confidence is incredibly high. >> and finally, nigel, were any

conditions placed upon you with regard to questions? i mean, often you get told you can't ask this. you can't ask that. or was it pretty free rein? >> no, there were no conditions placed on the interview. what so ever other than they said, look, he's busy. he's got a lot going on.can he's busy. he's got a lot going on. can we make it 30 minutes? i think in total it was about 33. so, you know, i kept to my part of the deal as well. there was no sort of piers morgan style histrionics where morgan went on for an hour and 20 minutes and trump at the end said enough. no both sides. unbelievable. what morgan did. no wonder he's gone and talk tv with him, no . and talk tv with him, no. listen. all of it. very, very good. he was also, i must tell you, very excited to hear about how gb news is doing. you know, the fastest growing news website in the uk for the last ten months of the year? and is it any wonder that ofcom are on our case? is it any wonder that sky news have obsessed all day about

gb news? we're doing well, he knows that and i promise you those other broadcasters will not get any sit downs with him whatsoever . whatsoever. >> for fair enough, on ofcom. nigel, what's your reaction to the decisions that they made today and announced ? today and announced? >> well, i just feel that ofcom are becoming overtly political. i think that's because of the pressures that are being put upon them by the established media and indeed by segments of our political class. gb news is posing a threat to the other broadcasters, a challenge to british politics. and you know, when you're there and you're part of a status quo, the one thing you do not want is a new boy coming along and challenging your position. and that's exactly what we're doing. and you can see the growth of this channel over the last few months. you can see the increased influence it's increased influence that it's having unsurprising they having and unsurprising they don't like it. ofcom are responding pressure, but what responding to pressure, but what i do know is that gb news are going to fight like hell indeed. >> so. all right, nigel, look, stay safe out there, safe

journey back. and very much journey back. and we very much look to your interview look forward to your interview with trump at 7 pm. with donald trump at 7 pm. tomorrow. thank you very much for joining me this evening. well, there you have it . look, well, there you have it. look, it's advertised there. and it's being advertised there. and if it's, tomorrow if you can't see, it's, tomorrow at 7 pm, the whole interview in full. nigel chat to donald full. see, nigel chat to donald trump about a wide range of issues.i trump about a wide range of issues. i mean, he's also been speaking about harry and meghan, which may make headline which may make a headline tomorrow. who knows, do tomorrow. who knows, but do please tuned for that please stay tuned for that tomorrow . now, after this break, tomorrow. now, after this break, we're going to be talking about net zero. is it the future or is it just a whole load of hot air? stay tuned

welcome back to farage with me. camilla tominey, just to let you know that there is this vote on the rwanda bill at 8:00. christopher hope's coming into the over jacob the studio to take over jacob rees—mogg's because, of rees—mogg's show, because, of course, to vote. we're course, he has to vote. so we're going keeping you abreast going to be keeping you abreast of going on there

of exactly what's going on there at moment. if you're at the moment. if you're watching than watching this rather than listening can see mps listening to it, we can see mps debating the rwanda bill once again in the commons after it's gone through that ping pong stage the lords. we'll stage with the lords. so we'll keep abreast everything keep you abreast of everything that's the houses of that's going on in the houses of parliament but before parliament tonight, but before then, we're going to debate net zero whether has a future zero and whether it has a future orindeed zero and whether it has a future or indeed it may be a whole load of air and i'm joined by of hot air and i'm joined by rupert read. who's the rupert read. now, who's the co—director climate co—director of the climate majority project a former majority project and a former extinction rebellion spokesman. majority project and a former extinctio also bellion spokesman. majority project and a former extinctioalso joined spokesman. majority project and a former extinctio also joined byokesman. majority project and a former extinctio also joined by andy|an. and i'm also joined by andy mayer, who is an energy analyst from institute of economic from the institute of economic affairs. for joining affairs. thank you for joining me chaps. lovely affairs. thank you for joining misee chaps. lovely affairs. thank you for joining misee you chaps. lovely affairs. thank you for joining misee you both chaps. lovely affairs. thank you for joining misee you both .chaps. lovely affairs. thank you for joining misee you both . now,i. lovely affairs. thank you for joining misee you both . now, the vely affairs. thank you for joining misee you both . now, the reason to see you both. now, the reason we're talking about this has been of news stories, been a number of news stories, which sort of which i think have sort of suggested the future for suggested that the future for net might a degree of net zero might be in a degree of jeopardy. we know there's net zero might be in a degree of jeopaay. we know there's net zero might be in a degree of jeopaa politicala know there's net zero might be in a degree of jeopaa political rowow there's net zero might be in a degree of jeopaa political row about re's net zero might be in a degree of jeopaa political row about its been a political row about it. but for instance, we've heard from grid saying from the national grid saying it's to cost 60 billion to it's going to cost 60 billion to reach decarbonise it's going to cost 60 billion to rea(grid, decarbonise it's going to cost 60 billion to rea(grid, is decarbonise it's going to cost 60 billion to rea(grid, is obviously;e the grid, which is obviously a significant of money. significant amount of money. we've heard from a solar we've also heard from a solar company longi, has company called longi, which has slashed 30% of staff because there's glut of solar there's now a glut of solar panels. we've also heard from

the national audit office to suggest that 27 times more gas boilers than heat pumps have been sold in 2022, obviously, the government wanted us all to embrace heat pumps and we haven't. and therefore, let's put it to you. first of all, rupert, isn't it the case that actually net zero is running out of steam, not least because we read this week? and isn't this an achievement britain an achievement for britain that carbon emissions have to carbon emissions have fallen to the levels since 1879? so the lowest levels since 1879? so we've done our bit, haven't we? we need set these we don't need to set these arbitrary just make we don't need to set these arbipoor just make we don't need to set these arbipoor poorer just make we don't need to set these arbipoor poorer. just make the poor poorer. >> we haven't done our bit. look, let's remind ourselves why net zero matters. we hear this phrase a lot. net zero. net zero. why does it matter? it matters because as long as it takes for us to get to reach net zero during all that time, the problem is being made worse, i.e. the climate crisis is being made worse . the more we pump made worse. the more we pump into the atmosphere, the worse it will get. every single year forever. until we reach net zero. >> the atmosphere apparently because our carbon emissions are now to the lowest level since

1879. >> yeah, but actually they're not. when you do the accounting properly. we've exported, we've outsourced a lot of carbon emissions countries. emissions to other countries. and the shipping and the and also the shipping and the air emissions are not counted properly. so that's really a sort of fake stat we've got to get to net zero if we want to have a future in which we're not making the problem that our children and our grandchildren are going to inherit worse forever. but then there's the other the coin as well, other side of the coin as well, which we it in the which is that if we do it in the right can make our lives right way, we can make our lives better more comfortable. and better and more comfortable. and isn't that what we want? isn't that what we all want? better, more comfortable lives for our children? well can i just need. just explain why we need. >> got that much >> we haven't got that much time. let's bring andy the time. let's bring andy into the conversation. come back conversation. you can come back to yeah, i promise conversation. you can come back to to yeah, i promise conversation. you can come back to to me yeah, i promise conversation. you can come back to to me on yeah, i promise conversation. you can come back to to me on that. h, i promise conversation. you can come back to to me on that. but,)romise conversation. you can come back to to me on that. but, are|ise conversation. you can come back to to me on that. but, are we you to me on that. but, are we doing in the right way? doing it in the right way? because i'm sure the iea and others very concerned others are very concerned that this quickly, this is happening too quickly, that working that it's threatening working people with huge happening people with huge it's happening too already explained that we >> i already explained that we clearly rupert, we get your point, that mean we point, but that doesn't mean we all with it. all agree with it. >> see what andy's got to say. >> so rupert's not entirely wrong. is the case that if we

wrong. it is the case that if we did absolutely nothing global temperatures would keep rising until point that we until such a point that we couldn't adapt to the level at which but in reality , which they were. but in reality, nothing is not what happens. everybody to find everybody is trying to find solutions to something better than the fossil fuel economy . than the fossil fuel economy. and the principal argument from places the iea and other places like the iea and other free market environmentalists is that the state intervening is not the best way of doing it. they actively make things worse. so if you take one of the examples you used heat pumps. heat pumps are perfectly fine technology . they work to heat technology. they work to heat homes across large parts of scandinavia. they can work in cold climes. they could work here. but we've wrong here. but we've got the wrong type of housing stock. so in reality would have reality you would have to improve vast amounts homes improve vast amounts of homes across country to across the entire country to make heat pumps a viable alternative to gas boilers. now the government is trying to encourage people to buy them, but the public has turned around and saying, no, thank you very much. with subsidies much. even with £7,500 subsidies on saying no , on each one, they're saying no, no. so this is one of those

examples where the state tries to plan a particular outcome. and what happens in reality is very expensive and very ineffective. >> andy makes a good point, doesn't he? i mean, forcing us into vehicles but not into electric vehicles but not having charging points. i having enough charging points. i spoke to transport spoke to the transport secretary, harper, secretary, mark harper, on the weekend. we're talking. he couldn't tell us. he couldn't tell us how many, how many charging in the charging points there are in the uk. pumps. have you got uk. but heat pumps. have you got one? i've one. one? yes, i've got one. >> right. >> right. >> and why don't all want one >> and why don't we all want one then? we would, it would then? well, we would, it would be easier all to be much easier for us all to have if we were given proper have one if we were given proper advice. on, on. tell >> hang on, hang on. i'll tell you why hesitated buy you why i hesitated to buy a heat it's because i wasn't heat pump. it's because i wasn't sure was going to be a good sure it was going to be a good investment. wasn't sure i was investment. i wasn't sure i was going workmanship, going to get good workmanship, etc. what to be put etc. that's what needs to be put in for to in place. help for people to make the decision get air make the decision to get air pumps that isn't pumps easier and that isn't there so far the there in place. so far from the government doing too much. the government's little government's doing too little and exact same business and it's the exact same business the to on the government to do. on your question, come question, i want to now come back business question, back to the business question, which andy about the which you asked andy about the you that government is you say that the government is intervening and we intervening too much and we should just market sort should just let the market sort

net then explain to me net zero. then explain to me this, riddle me this. how this, andy, riddle me this. how come business say come 82% of business people say the government needs to do more to regulate for net zero, and you can't leave it all to the market? that's a yougov poll. riddle me that. market? that's a yougov poll. rid well,e that. market? that's a yougov poll. rid well, i that. market? that's a yougov poll. rid well, i think you've >> well, i think you've displayed a classic delusion on the is the idea, the left, which is the idea, not on left. again. which is on the left. try again. which is the idea that there is something distinct between business and government. the whole problem with net zero is collusion between the two. so in the case of the heat pump manufacturers, what is happening is they are rent seeking and lobbying to rent seeking and lobbying to rent expense such rent seek at our expense such that the grant that you use to install your heat pump was paid for people demonstrably poorer than order you than you, in order that you might your in a might heat your home in a slightly different way and frankly, lecture me about poverty back poverty when you're back as a multi—millionaires, please. >> backers if >> well, sorts of backers if you're briefly, you're not very briefly, if you're not very briefly, if you're not very briefly, if you're not left, where you're not on the left, where are you on the right? are you? are you on the right? >> no, i'm neither climate >> no, i'm neither the climate majority project here for majority project is here for everybody to take everybody who wants to take action climate. action on the climate. >> love this debate. thank you >> i love this debate. thank you very afraid very much, chaps. i'm afraid we've got to it to close, we've got to draw it to close, because obviously are

because obviously there are events of events going on in the houses of parliament. of commons parliament. the house of commons is the rwanda is about to vote on the rwanda bill. i'm delighted to say that coming state of the coming up next, state of the nafion coming up next, state of the nation be christopher nation will be with christopher hope, when hope, who knows his onions when it to votes. nigel will be it comes to votes. nigel will be with tomorrow of with you tomorrow with, of course, interview course, that interview with donald but here's donald trump. but first, here's the with mcgivern . the weather with aidan mcgivern. sorry it was so quick. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers. sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello and welcome to the latest gb news forecast from the met office. rain spreads east dunng met office. rain spreads east during the next 24 hours. breezy, along with that rain, but it does turn drier and brighter later on tuesday. weather fronts responsible attached to this area of low pressure, anchored off the west of scotland overnight . and those of scotland overnight. and those weather fronts will bring outbreaks of persistent rain to the north and the west initially, before transferring east. the rain does turn more

showery. it tends to fragment through the night, but still some of those showers will be quite heavy, particularly in the north and the west. not much rain the south—east at rain reaching the south—east at all. fact, some clear spells all. in fact, some clear spells remain but with the cloud remain here, but with the cloud and the increased breeze, gales for the far north—west well, it is going to be a mild start to tuesday, albeit a cloudy and a showery quite, quite a showery run. quite, quite a lot of showers i think around during tuesday morning, breaking up into the afternoon to hit and miss downpours , most likely miss downpours, most likely northern and central england. seeing those downpours with some brightness either way and actually feeling warm in any sunny spells 17 or 18 celsius. but more rain is on the way , but more rain is on the way, spreading up from the southwest on tuesday night and into wednesday, reaching the grampians and persisting through much of the day across eastern and northern england, wales and the midlands before eventually turning back to showers further outbreaks of rain to come on thursday, particularly towards the northwest where it will be windy and cool and then showers

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>> hello. good evening. it's me, christopher hope in place for sir jacob rees—mogg, who is busy sirjacob rees—mogg, who is busy doing his day job tonight. he's

voting in the house of commons on state of the nation tonight. the house of commons has been voting on the safety of rwanda bill. hence jacob's absence after it suffered multiple defeats in the house of lords . defeats in the house of lords. but will the prime minister, rishi sunak, be able to turn the tide and get the planes off the ground before the next general election? the failure to do so could push rishi to breaking point, as he faces a plot from the right of his party, who are reportedly keen to replace him with the leader of the house of commons, penny mordaunt. could it be that the country's severely underestimated the impact a lord president of impact of a lord president of the council, carrying that famous of state the famous sword of state for the king's coronation now it's not just turmoil for the tories, as the labour party faces fresh criticism over plans to charge vat on private school fees after new reporters claimed it could cost us, the taxpayers, an extra £16 billion a year plus £1.6 billion a year plus

speculation surrounding the princess of wales continues for another day , as yet another another day, as yet another edhed another day, as yet another edited photograph comes to light . state of the nation starts right now. i'll also be joined by the state of the nation's regular monday night regulars. we may not have jacob for here now, but we do have another rees—mogg, former brexit party mep and journalist annunziata rees—mogg, and the author and broadcaster amy nicholl turner. as ever, and most importantly , we want to most importantly, we want to hear from you this monday night. it's a crucial part of the programme. email me mail mog at gbnews.com. but now it's time for the news of the day with my old pal polly middlehurst.

>> chris, thank