gb news. >> you're with gb news. and the top story. tonight at 11:00, an illegal migrant is in hospital tonight after being stabbed on board a small boat attempting to cross the english channel. uk border force and two lifeboats attended the incident just before lunchtime today. officers are still trying to work out what happened . the victim has what happened. the victim has non—life threatening injuries and is still in hospital. the dinghy was one of eight small boats that reached uk shores on the busiest day of channel crossing so far this year, with a record 450 migrants arriving today. this takes the number of migrants coming to the uk

illegally this year to nearly 4000. meanwhile, passage of the government's flagship rwanda bill is now delayed until after easter , when mps will have to easter, when mps will have to face it again in the house of commons after several votes against it by the house of lords. today, our political edhon lords. today, our political editor, chris hope, has more in the house of lords tonight. >> peers have voted to say that migrants can only be sent to rwanda when all the measures in rwanda when all the measures in rwanda treaty have been satisfied, and could satisfied, and that could take a while. another amendment passed by the by the peers here says the bill must have due regard for law. and so for international law. and so the pong process continues . the ping pong process continues. but the government is very clear it ensure it will try and it will ensure it will try and force this measure through parliament ensure that parliament to ensure that flights can take off. it rolls on probably till after on now, probably till after easter, when we expect another battle between the commons and the . the lords. >> chris hope, let's bring you up date with events in wales up to date with events in wales today. vaughan gething been today. vaughan gething has been sworn in as first minister this evening. new welsh labour evening. the new welsh labour leader succeeds mark drakeford, who resigned after who resigned yesterday after

holding the position since 2018. mr gething was elected as welsh government leader by members of the senate earlier on. today he's expected to form a cabinet in the next few days and earlier on he told them he wants to lead a wales of ambition and a wales of hope, ambition and unity . junior doctors in england unity. junior doctors in england have voted by 98% to continue with their strike action. in their long running dispute over pay- their long running dispute over pay. the british medical association is requesting a 35% pay association is requesting a 35% pay rise, which the government has previously said is unreasonable . while there have unreasonable. while there have been ten walkouts so far by junior doctors since the first one in march last year , six one in march last year, six members of an organised crime gang have been jailed for a combined total of 37 years for supplying class a drugs across greater manchester, greater manchester police says kamran jahangir and his brother kashif headed the crime group along with four associates. they hid the drugs inside fake cigarette lighters to avoid detection when stopped by police. officers say

they found cocaine, heroin and a small quantity of amphetamines ready to be dealt at street level . that's the news. for the level. that's the news. for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts. scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts time now for headliners . headliners. >> hello and welcome to headliners your first look at thursday's newspapers. i'm andrew doyle. i'm here with the buttery crumpet of the left, steve n allen and the dry, burnt toast of the right, nick dixon . toast of the right, nick dixon. i'm not sure what that metaphor means. >> well, i don't mind because it's obviously false. >> and that's why it's sort of might be funny because i'm obviously one. obviously the best one. >> they mean that if i smell >> do they mean that if i smell you, have had a stroke? you, i might have had a stroke? yeah, yeah, it could be that. it could be that you well could be that are you both well though? well, though? are you, are you well, steve, doing all right.

steve, i'm doing all right. >> a little bit tired. >> i mean, a little bit tired. >> i mean, a little bit tired. >> i mean, a little bit tired. >> i keep going on about the fact child. fact i've got a child. >> do, you? >> yes, you do, don't you? >> know, weeks old, i do. >> i will say this quickly, though. >> she's now started to do a lovely smile. >> everyone says it's gas, and if it is, then why am i burping it? >> because that smile is beautiful. >> so i've running >> so i've been running the breast sodastream. >> oh, the of having >> oh, the joys of having a child. never know. okay child. i'll never know. okay let's have a look at those front pages before we the pages before we begin. the telegraph is leading with mental health. too health. crisis has gone too far, says has says stride. the times has got defeats. fresh blow to defeats. deal a fresh blow to rwanda migrant bill. the daily mail has mortgage hope as economy turns a corner at last. good news there. the metro fentanyl phantom sounds sinister and the inews uk on track for summer interest rate cuts after inflation falls and the daily star there's gold in them thar shropshire hills. those were your front pages . okay so we're your front pages. okay so we're going to kick off steve. you've got this the telegraph. what are

they running with. >> so they're quoting mel stride who said mental health culture has gone too far. >> right. >> right. >> and just for a little bit of context, this is the point i was trying to make on yesterday's show. barely got finish point. >> it was shut down. >> it was shut down. >> you were. you're a cassandra. exactly. that's what you are on the weekends , no. the weekends, no. >> it's a really good point that if you spend your life, if you have a culture where you focus on anxiety, pay attention to look you've got look quick, think if you've got any you'll start to any anxiety, you'll start to feel anxious, of course. feel more anxious, of course. >> and he also makes the point that normal ups that what the normal ups and downs of which includes downs of life, which includes anxiety, as an anxiety, it's in there as an emotion be useful. but if you emotion to be useful. but if you start medicalize and start to medicalize it and think, oh this is something think, oh no, this is something you to give a label to and you need to give a label to and treat, makes interesting treat, he makes an interesting point about how we are dealing with and downs. with the normal ups and downs. it's only ever the downs that get no like, oh, get treated. no one's like, oh, you're a happy, take a pill, you're a bit happy, take a pill, is it nick, that are just a is it nick, that we are just a pampered we expect pampered culture and we expect to happy all time? to be happy all the time? >> course, life is an >> and of course, life is an unending stream of misery with occasional pockets of fun. >> you, >> that's true. actually you, me and about

and steve were talking about anhedonia before we anhedonia just before we started. to feel started. the inability to feel joy, started. the inability to feel joy, we both joy, which apparently we both have. working of have. also the working title of annie by woody allen annie hall by woody allen probably wouldn't the probably wouldn't have won the oscar stuck with it oscar if it had stuck with it anyway, back onto this story. sorry for lewis slight digression. bring sorry for lewis slight dig|mel)n. bring sorry for lewis slight dig|mel stride bring sorry for lewis slight dig|mel stride whenever bring out mel stride whenever they have say something have to say something unpopular. he and downplayed the he came out and downplayed the diane thing. now diane abbott racism thing. now he's of a ledge he's doing this bit of a ledge and, going happen is and, what's going to happen is this everyone's talking about this is everyone's talking about mental health the but mental health all the time, but they costs too much. they realise it costs too much. it's going to cost 100 billion on welfare. he's guy that on welfare. so he's the guy that actually has pay for it. so actually has to pay for it. so of course he's guys, are actually has to pay for it. so of c�*sure�* he's guys, are actually has to pay for it. so of c�*sure�* he's this guys, are actually has to pay for it. so of c�*sure�* he's this mental are you sure about this mental health you'll see health thing? what you'll see now pieces the now is loads of pieces in the press and like little pamphlets, stuff things stuff coming out saying things like, thought about like, have you thought about walking it off? you what walking it off? you know what i mean? like mean? i'd be like whole campaigns put away mean? i'd be like whole can mental put away mean? i'd be like whole can mental health put away mean? i'd be like whole canmental health thing.)ut away the mental health thing. >> whether it's bad. >> i wonder whether it's bad. i mean, you know, thinking mean, you know, just thinking back as a teacher, we back to my time as a teacher, we were warned about this over diagnostic and you diagnostic culture now. and you know, the kids any know, anything that the kids any problem had, they were problem the kids had, they were told speak us about told come and speak to us about it. really we should it. whereas really we should have saying, get yourselves. >> yeah. i mean, not >> yeah, yeah. i mean, not necessarily tone. you necessarily in that tone. you might have things worse.

might have made things worse. yeah. up yeah. the idea of bottle it up over bottle it, bottle it up. >> yeah, bottle it up like i do. yeah, yeah i'm fine for now. >> but when you turn, it's going to happen, it? to happen, isn't it? >> be ugly. it'll >> it'll be ugly. it'll be a real doctor jekyll mr hyde moment. i we're moment. but yeah, i think we're probably right about that. we always let's the always are. let's move to the front cover the times, nick. front cover of the times, nick. what are they going with? >> the have defeat. >> so the times have defeat. still under still fresh blow through under migrant old rishi migrant bill. poor old rishi trying through little trying to get through his little bill. seems his bill. that seems to is his favourite policy, is it? no no. and been defeated in the and they've been defeated in the lords course they've lords again. of course they've lost, seven votes. that's a lot isn't the lords can do isn't it. and the lords can do this. they can delay things up to a year. in some cases it probably go that far. i'll probably won't go that far. i'll probably won't go that far. i'll probably eventually, probably go through eventually, but making but they're just making it torture it's tough torture for them. and it's tough times sanook times for old rashid sanook because allegedly 40 because he's had allegedly 40 letters of of, know, letters in of no of, you know, for the confidence vote only for the no confidence vote only needs for it to ahead. needs 53 for it to go ahead. >> what need is a is a fifth >> what we need is a is a fifth prime the of prime minister in the space of five ideally five years, don't we ideally that's what we want, especially penny morton. >> i want because you >> that's who i want because you can hold sword. she can. can hold a big sword. she can. and why she's formidable. and that's why she's formidable. she minister and that's why she's formidable. shthe minister and that's why she's formidable. shthe country. minister

and that's why she's formidable. shthe country. no minister and that's why she's formidable. shthe country. no iviinister and that's why she's formidable. shthe country. no i thinker of the country. yeah. no i think we ask the we shouldn't ever ask the people. should just be people. it should just be selected by tiny groups of people. know who they people. we don't know who they are. based on whether are. and then, based on whether you a sword. you can hold a big sword. >> king arthur was >> well, i mean, king arthur was only king because only became king because he could from out of a stone. >> yeah. so we need to be able to. >> we need to reinstate that. >> we need to reinstate that. >> yeah, that went well. >> yeah, that went well. >> bring the medieval tradition right back. >> attached to >> i tend to not get attached to these prime ministers because they're these prime ministers because thejlike get a gerbil it's like you get a gerbil as a pet. you even close pet. why you even get that close to it, the some of the amendments tried put to it, the some of the amthere,3nts tried put to it, the some of the amthere, though, tried put to it, the some of the amthere, though, i tried put to it, the some of the amthere, though, i knowd put to it, the some of the amthere, though, i knowd way on there, though, i know the way it's papers, is it's written in the papers, is like, they're lords like, oh, they're terrible lords being unelected. one of being all all unelected. one of the is to and say being all all unelected. one of the the is to and say being all all unelected. one of the the has is to and say being all all unelected. one of the the has is stick and say being all all unelected. one of the the has is stick to nd say that the bill has to stick to international kind of international law, which kind of seem know, oh, try seem to. but, you know, oh, try and be legal. yeah. it doesn't seem it does seem reasonable. >> the government >> but then the government is sort some of the, sort of saying that some of the, the some of the the laws, some of the expectations unreasonable. expectations are unreasonable. and, the and, you know, such as the definition of safety. yes. >> out, >> but they've sorted that out, just, a bill just, you know, pass a bill saying safe. i saying rwanda is safe. now, i keep saying that pass keep saying that if they pass the for this country, the same bill for this country, we crime rates we could get crime rates technically zero. yeah, technically down to zero. yeah, we we? we could, haven't we? >> interesting. >> okay. very interesting. let's move cover move to on the front cover of the mail. move to on the front cover of the who'smail.

move to on the front cover of the who'smailthis? yeah >> who's got this? yeah >> who's got this? yeah >> oh, is that you owe me. >> oh, is that you owe me. >> i think flip flopped. >> i think flip flopped. >> to isn't you're >> yes to you. isn't it? you're right. try right. i just want to try to take over the show. take over then the whole show. i'm about it. i'm sorry about it. >> staging coup, nick >> you're staging a coup, nick dixon. mind who tells dixon. i don't mind who tells the right. the story, right. >> one. been doing the >> this one. i've been doing the show two years. it goes one show for two years. it goes one person than the you're person than the other. you're absolutely difficult person than the other. you're absolutelydifficult pattern >> it is a difficult pattern to spot, you see it, spot, but as soon as you see it, it to sense. very it starts to make sense. very tired. economy it starts to make sense. very tired. corner economy it starts to make sense. very tired. corner at economy it starts to make sense. very tired. corner at last. economy it starts to make sense. very tired. corner at last. this conomy it starts to make sense. very tired. corner at last. this isnomy turns corner at last. this is good news, rishi. he would be good news, rishi. if he would be around it, inflation around to see it, inflation falls to year low from falls to a two year low from relatively painful highs. let's get some context to this. they reckon there could be some rate cuts, interest rate cuts through 2024 which again we need because there are the painful. is this also what we need more people being able to get mortgages and keeping that heat that keeping that heat in that housing market. >> right though, that this >> is he right though, that this is we're turning corner is we're turning a corner because you because i mean, we've had, you know, pretty inflation know, pretty high inflation for a recovering. a while now. we are recovering. we recovered better than we have recovered better than some countries, some most european countries, but great. but it's still not great. >> well, the experts are saying it'll never get down to where it was before. we had a bizarre flat period of interest rates

being that actually being so low that actually i wish would have borrowed more wish i would have borrowed more and with it, and bought a big house with it, and bought a big house with it, and it before they and then paid it off before they went you it's went up. but you know, it's hindsight this hindsight for you. yes, but this is well stay in the is you might as well stay in the holding there be holding pattern. there could be good coming down good economic news coming down the polls are the track. yes. the polls are saying be a terrible saying this would be a terrible time an election because time to call an election because it now, not it ain't good. now, it might not be good in the future, but it might slightly better. and might be slightly better. and that's got. that's the only maths she's got. >> labour >> yes, i'm sure labour will take credit does take the credit if it does suddenly increase. what do you think about this, nick? >> area >> well, it's not my area of expertise, 3.4. expertise, but yeah, it's 3.4. it's up, but as it's still going up, but not as much as you that's what much so as you say, that's what they by turning a corner. they mean by turning a corner. but was saying but liam halligan was saying earlier gdp earlier today, our gdp per capha earlier today, our gdp per capita has shrunk the last six quarters. that doesn't sound great. because they're great. you know, because they're always oh, gdp always spinning it like, oh, gdp is capita is is amazing. but per capita is what tends to matter for living standards as an individual. >> question is can >> the important question is can we on brexit? because i we blame it on brexit? because i think want to think that's what people want to do, isn't it? >> i blame immigration just it's like for me. like a blanket policy for me. it's heuristic. just like a blanket policy for me. it's it heuristic. just like a blanket policy for me. it's it for heuristic. just like a blanket policy for me. it's it for absolutelyc. just everything. >> we blame whatever >> we just blame whatever our bugbear. yeah. >> other people blame >> whereas other people blame it all on brexit. >> it could just be that >> i mean, it could just be that

we shut down the for we shut down the economy for a couple years. couple of years. >> mean, lockdowns >> i mean, it could lockdowns didn't with didn't help to do with that. >> on the that >> blame it on the bbc and that might you might cheer you up. >> would also just >> that would be also just a non—productive riddled non—productive country riddled by declining by wokeness and a declining country in general, we? country in general, aren't we? well, turning to a well, this is just turning to a general general whinge, hasn't it? to the front cover of the now to the front cover of the star. always there with the important star. always there with the imfyeah,t star. always there with the imfyeah, this is there's a gold. >> yeah, this is there's a gold. there's gold. sorry. in them. thou shropshire hills. >> is that how they speak in shropshire? >> that is, that is exactly it. and they won't. yeah. they'll send complaining. but send us tweets complaining. but that they sound. send us tweets complaining. but tha that they sound. send us tweets complaining. but tha that sounds they sound. send us tweets complaining. but tha that sounds like hey sound. send us tweets complaining. but tha that sounds like they're nd. send us tweets complaining. but tha that sounds like they're from >> that sounds like they're from the north. >> even heard of it. the north. >> them. even heard of it. the north. >> them. theaven heard of it. the north. >> them. the them,eard of it. the north. >> them. the them, the of it. the north. >> them. the them, the pronouns. >> them. the them, the pronouns. >> so. okay so >> what? okay, so. yeah. okay so they found gold. that's the story. >> it's richard brock. andrew not just they he arrived late at >> it's richard brock. andrew n detectorist he arrived late at >> it's richard brock. andrew n detectorist outingived late at >> it's richard brock. andrew n detectorist outing .ed late at >> it's richard brock. andrew n detectorist outing . you ate at >> it's richard brock. andrew n detectorist outing . you always a detectorist outing. you always want to arrive fashionably late to a detectorist outing on those early losers. look. looking for metal early , metal on the beach early, anyway, within 20 minutes, he'd found his hero's nugget likely to be worth over £30,000. so how about that? it just goes to show, you know, you see these people with metal detectors. what losers. they're

smart. >> yeah, but it's not come from shropshire, someone's shropshire, has it? someone's brought dubai brought it back from dubai or something on the something and dropped it on the beach. right. >> , that's a very good >> well, that's a very good point. i was about to go up there and start digging. is there and start digging. is there not a seam? i thought we'd managed of gold managed to crack a seam of gold in shropshire. >> there's nothing in shropshire. honest shropshire. let's be honest about on. about it. come on. >> shropshire one of those >> shropshire is one of those weird the county >> shropshire is one of those weirdlike the county >> shropshire is one of those weirdlike nottinghamshire ounty >> shropshire is one of those weirdlike nottinghamshire has./ town like nottinghamshire has. nottingham. shropshire. nottingham. yeah, shropshire. there's there? no there's no shop, is there? no shop ? there's no town of shop? there's no town of shropshire. of shropshire. shop? there's no town of shrokay,a. of shropshire. shop? there's no town of shrokay, well, of shropshire. shop? there's no town of shrokay, well, there|ropshire. shop? there's no town of shrokay, well, there should a. shop? there's no town of shrokay, well, there should be. >> okay, well, there should be. yeah. shop. go to shop for some gold. okay. that's it for part one. part two for one. do join us in part two for resignations at the garrick. the latest from latest creative project from police . and news about police scotland. and news about contacting the hmrc. see you in a

welcome back to headliners. it's your first look at thursday's newspaper hours with me, andrew doyle and comedian stephen allan. and nick dixon. we're going to start with the guardian, steve, our men's space

is under threat. >> yes, i suppose so . the head >> yes, i suppose so. the head of the civil service and m16, they've resigned their garrick membership. this is after they were outed by the guardian, who got a list of the members. right. and so you've got simon case, who's the head of the civil service, and it's richard moore the m16 guy. they've moore who's the m16 guy. they've given memberships given their memberships back because is because it looks like this is a club only lets men in. this club that only lets men in. this is and kind of is terrible. and i'm kind of torn on this, if i'm brutally honest, because it's not a men's club supports suicidal club that supports suicidal contactless is people contactless dads. this is people with managing to do with privilege managing to do some networking that probably helps privilege, but the helps their privilege, but the same people angry about same people get angry about this. not saying , this. would. they're not saying, let's not have any single sex networking clubs at all. no, they definitely would still say, let's do loads of the women ones. they are against having these men ones. >> but why is a problem if >> but why is it a problem if people just hang around people just want to hang around with i mean, i've with men? yeah, i mean, i've been few clubs that. been to a few clubs like that. what think, what do you think, nick? >> that's what i've heard. yeah, membership there. >> well, argument you >> well, the only argument you can , i believe that >> well, the only argument you can any , i believe that >> well, the only argument you can any thread , i believe that >> well, the only argument you can any thread ofi believe that >> well, the only argument you

can any thread of legitimacyiat >> well, the only argument you can any thread of legitimacy .|t has any thread of legitimacy. and i don't believe it, but could be that this is where these are the corridors of power. this is where big decisions happen. you decisions happen. so you excluding but excluding women from that. but let's honest, men will just let's be honest, men will just form anything. form together in anything. doesn't matter if it's got any power like the fibre side, my fibre there's no fibre side weekly. there's no women but it's not. women in that. but it's not. it's like there's power it's not like there's no power base no. is base and there's no. nor is there any conscious to there any conscious decision to exclude simply exclude women. they just simply couldn't game. couldn't keep up in the game. but see, will get but you see, men will just get together anyway, even when there's involved there's no power involved and women us some women want to stop us for some reason. want to get into reason. they want to get into our and even if they our spaces. and even if they can't shut space, they can't shut down the space, they won't politically won't make it so politically impossible. you impossible. as in this case, you can't to it and you have can't even go to it and you have to a bit strange >> it feels a bit strange because take point because yes, i take that point that, there time that, you know, there was a time when women excluded from when women were excluded from the of power, and the corridors of power, and maybe club part maybe the garrick club was part of not anymore, maybe the garrick club was part of it? not anymore, maybe the garrick club was part of it? i not anymore, maybe the garrick club was part of it? i mean, not anymore, maybe the garrick club was part of it? i mean, this»t anymore, maybe the garrick club was part of it? i mean, this»t (justlore, is it? i mean, this is just people who prefer company of people who prefer the company of other are women who people who prefer the company of other the are women who people who prefer the company of other the companye women who prefer the company of other women. this this strikes me as pretty normal. pretty standard. >> is >> i don't know if this is a place that still has power, because they wouldn't let people like me into it, you know, northern, class that's northern, no class type. that's true would ruin true and fair play. i would ruin the simon though,

the place. simon kc, though, came a great excuse. did came up with a great excuse. did you his you read? no, no, no. so his excuse joined so excuse was he only joined so that from within that he could work from within to campaign to them to try and campaign to get them to try and campaign to get them to women the same way? to accept women in the same way? someone like, only someone would say like, only join party like, join the nazi party to say like, calm down, i'm trying take calm down, i'm trying to take down system with it. down the system for with it. >> yeah, hilarious. >> yeah, hilarious. >> they like if >> why don't they just like if there club that i didn't there was a club that i didn't like just like their rules, i just wouldn't join that club and the problem would be why problem would be solved. why can't get on can't they just let them get on with yeah. with it? yeah. >> mean, it's like, oh, how >> i mean, it's like, oh, how can foster genuine can how can you foster a genuine culture of inclusiveness while also member? also being a gang member? where's this obsession with inclusiveness? that's it's exclusiveness, that's what it's meant to be. it's an exclusive club, can an club, exclusive. how can an exclusive inclusive? it exclusive club be inclusive? it defeats and it's exclusive club be inclusive? it deferrich and it's exclusive club be inclusive? it deferrich people. and it's exclusive club be inclusive? it deferrich people. one. it's exclusive club be inclusive? it deferrich people. one. one only rich people. yeah, one. one further thought, further irony, i thought, is probably of people that probably a lot of people that complain sort complain about this sort of thing. not radical thing. maybe not the radical feminist, but a lot of people would probably oh, would probably be like, oh, we've so nice to islam we've got to be so nice to islam when , when if islam over, when, when if islam takes over, there's to an awful lot there's going to be an awful lot more takes over. >> only club takes over. >> only club takes over. >> saying be >> i'm just saying it'd be a great time. there'll be men only clubs. reread michelle clubs. i've just reread michelle welbeck's clubs. i've just reread michelle welsaying that it's i'm saying that it's a fictitious novel that fictitious, novel where that happens. banter. happens. that's purely banter. i'm just saying it would be a great time. >> reactionary banter.

>> reactionary banter. >> club. >> men's club. >> men's club. >> all right, let's >> nick dixon. all right, let's move thursday's times , move on now to thursday's times, nick starmer's being accused of not caring about black people. really? >> keir starmer is not listening to me , says labour race advisor. to me, says labour race advisor. this is baroness lawrence of clarendon and she's complained. she said he's not visiting diverse communities enough, not taking the time. and they've rolled back this , conference rolled back this, conference which was going to be about race equality or some. >> she's not calling him racist, though, is she? >> no, he's they've gone on well and stuff. he's just not doing as like. as much as she would like. right. of course, it's in right. and of course, it's in the of this the wake or midst of this dynamic thing where starmer has been of conspicuously been sort of conspicuously not giving her back the whip, because, of course, he's chiefly concerned debate about concerned in that debate about anti—semitism, which is far more of threat to the brand. >> has diane said >> has diane abbott said a couple of things are a bit couple of things that are a bit dodgy comes around? dodgy when it comes around? >> the >> well, that's why she lost the whip place, and whip in the first place, and that's point. so he that's the whole point. so he doesn't just give doesn't want to just give her back because then back the whip, because then that's a that's just going to annoy a different group people, which different group of people, which is so she'd that jewish >> so she'd said that jewish people hadn't racism in people hadn't suffered racism in the same way. >> yeah,

>> yeah, yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. >> but odd, >> okay. so but this is odd, steve, because, you know, this article about article talks about how for a start, the start, it talks about the proposed race equality act. and the it's going the party says it's going to extend full equal pay rights to black, asian, ethnic minority and for the and disabled workers for the first that's just first time. that's just factually it? it's factually wrong, isn't it? it's illegal to pay people differently for the same work if they're basis of their differently for the same work if they'iwhy basis of their differently for the same work if they'iwhy is basis of their differently for the same work if they'iwhy is theasis of their differently for the same work if they'iwhy is the times their differently for the same work if they'iwhy is the times saying that? >> well, i imagine because >> well, i imagine it's because it's a worth it's a it's a virtue worth signalling. so you can double down on something that i mean, it's not as if labour is the only one would do this, saying they're something they're going to make something happen they're going to make something hapfthis what paul half they're going to make something hawhats what paul half they're going to make something hawhat politicst paul half they're going to make something hawhat politics is’aul half they're going to make something hawhat politics is . ul half they're going to make something hawhat politics is . u do half they're going to make something hawhat politics is . u do think of what politics is. i do think for a bit of context, it's worth beanng for a bit of context, it's worth bearing in mind that last year i think it was keir starmer said that thatcher was one of his inspirational former prime ministers, and now he's not listening to race advisor. listening to a race advisor. he's so many tory he's going to get so many tory votes that this is in the bag. yeah. >> is that what he's after? >> is that what he's after? >> to be honest, it's blown up >> to be honest, it's a blown up story it's just story because it's just something the something she said in the presence gray, who does presence of sue gray, who does exist, and david lammy exist, and some and david lammy and she's something, exist, and some and david lammy and said. she's something, exist, and some and david lammy and said. shein something, exist, and some and david lammy and said. shein general, ething, exist, and some and david lammy and said. shein general, ithing, she said. but in general, i do think probably sort she said. but in general, i do thigetting probably sort she said. but in general, i do thigetting tough probably sort she said. but in general, i do thigetting tough and ably sort she said. but in general, i do thigetting tough and serious.t of getting tough and serious. he's i'm be

he's thinking, i'm going to be in government. working in government. he's working out how logistically how he's going to logistically govern. this of govern. he's got this gang of four where talking four thing where he's talking about rayner and about just him and rayner and a couple others, and not couple of others, and he's not worried these things worried about these things as much. a it much. i think it is a it is notable. he's he's notable. and he's he's not giving abbott whip giving diane abbott the whip back. getting tough back. i think he's getting tough and know, and thinking about, you know, he's and he's getting ruthless and blairite about he's going blairite about what he's going to just there is a >> but also just there is a difference between being listened your listened to and having your requests actioned. yes. so to say listening me, say he's not listening to me, just means he's not doing what you're saying. he might be just prioritising other stuff. >> listening and going >> could be listening and going that's well, but >> yeah, well, yeah, but whenever things whenever these sorts of things are stated, an are stated, there's an intimation some are stated, there's an intinofion some are stated, there's an intinof prejudice some are stated, there's an intinof prejudice elementne are stated, there's an intinof prejudice element to kind of prejudice element to this. think that's this. but i don't think that's the it. the case. is it. >> yeah. well i seem to >> well no. yeah. well i seem to get on. they get on. get on. they seem to get on. >> let's move on to the >> okay. let's move on to the telegraph. scottish telegraph. now. the scottish police their police have released their second hateful second fictional hateful character the last character in a week. the last one was that fluffy thing, the hate monster, which they've ditched, believe. oh well, ditched, i believe. oh well, i've they've ditched it. i've heard they've ditched it. yeah. what's one? yeah. and now what's this one? >> accused parody. >> police accused of parody. parodying with jo, parodying jk rowling with jo, who's this fictional character who's this fictional character who thinks that trans people

should go to gas chambers? they've been doing. they've come up with this fictional character and let's just do the fact check. here the clues. thej check. here are the clues. thej in stands so jo makes in jk stands forjo. so jo makes sense . and that's kind of it. sense. and that's kind of it. i mean, if you're doing a parody of jk rowling, you'd go further, wouldn't you? you'd have them being who writes a being an author who writes a book about maybe a young magician barry magician called, like barry totter or something like that, and there. and they stopped there. and i don't think the main part of this story should be about whether or not they're mocking jk. bigger worry about jk. it's the bigger worry about what's this what's happening with this training . they have this training. they have this training. they have this training where training session where they looked fictional looked at this fictional character tweeting things out, having a good social media following , who says trans people following, who says trans people should go to gas chambers, is this hateful or not? rein it in. do the tell us earlier before you the gas chambers. you get to the gas chambers. >> well also because, >> yeah. well also because, you know, was a hate know, this is this was a hate crime engagement event crime youth engagement event held run up held in february in the run up to hate crime bill. now, to the new hate crime bill. now, the with is they the problem with this is they are there's a sense in which they're smearing gender critical campaigners far right, campaigners as being far right, because they go from this character, jo, who believes that

sex is binary, as we all do. anyone who knows about anything, and suddenly leaps trans and then suddenly leaps to trans people should go to the gas chambers. no gender critical person ever , ever says that it's person ever, ever says that it's not even a helpful hypothetical. it's just suggestive of the attitude of the police or at least the scottish government towards those people, isn't it? >> yeah. and a sense it >> yeah. and in a sense it becomes piece of propaganda in becomes a piece of propaganda in itself, suggest they itself, trying to suggest they might , you but might do that, you know. but anyway, they've anyway, yes, because they've been activists or been infiltrated by activists or is it the police? police scotland say stakeholders , scotland say stakeholders, that's what they call them. so they've admitted to stakeholders. know they've admitted to stak

unknown people will be penalised by crazy hate crime by all this crazy hate crime stuff. is a worry. stuff. but it is a worry. >> i mean, all these training >> i mean, all of these training sessions >> i mean, all of these training sessi0|are being trained to police are being trained to prepare for the prepare themselves for the scenario they might scenario where they might have to comedian, they to arrest a comedian, or they might arrest actor in might have to arrest an actor in a play. >> yeah, they tried that >> yeah, they tried to play that down they said , oh, down today and they said, oh, it's won't be looking it's not. we won't be looking just comedy comedians and just at comedy comedians and performers. if someone performers. only if someone complains well, complains to us like, oh, well, that's no ever that's fine then. no one's ever made vexatious complaint. that's fine then. no one's ever ma that'sexatious complaint. that's fine then. no one's ever ma that's whath complaint. that's fine then. no one's ever ma that's what we're1plaint. that's fine then. no one's ever ma that's what we're worried that's fine then. no one's ever ma th all what we're worried that's fine then. no one's ever ma th all along. ne're worried that's fine then. no one's ever ma th all along. iz're worried that's fine then. no one's ever ma th all along. i mean, rried that's fine then. no one's ever ma th all along. i mean, this is about all along. i mean, this is the thing. such the strange thing. it's such they're saying we're they're coming out saying we're not going to target performer. so said you're so what? you've also said you're going every going to investigate every single complaint. yeah. it can't be they don't be this stupid that they don't realise that the these complaints will come from complaints will come in from people want smear people who just want to smear and their opponents. and attack their opponents. >> they don't >> no, they realise they don't mind today was mind that. the thing today was just get a bit of just trying to get a bit of misdirection. i also for this story, i the idea these story, i hate the idea of these youth because youth engagement events because as yeah, i grew as a generation x yeah, i grew up being young, having to stick to the laws that older people come now the police come up with. and now the police are young people, when are asking young people, when i've side, do i've gone the other side, why do we have to what the young we have to care what the young people about things people think about things absolutely shouldn't and nor should we be should be, nor should we be having laws .

having hate speech laws. >> interview on >> there was an interview on those things with those vox pop things with three gen people said, no, gen z people and they said, no, jk shouldn't to jk rowling shouldn't go to prison, be prison, but she should be re—educated. that's future. re—educated. that's the future. >> that's fairly chilling. yeah, it okay, well it was very chilling. okay, well , said she , if she does, she said she would time for would serve jail time for misgendering . yeah. and is misgendering. yeah. and that is clearly by hate clearly covered by the hate crime see because crime law. so we'll see because when starts doing it, when everyone starts doing it, they all up they can't lock us all up and they can't lock us all up and they of spartacus i am jk they sort of spartacus i am jk rowling. try. let's see rowling. they can try. let's see what good writing in what happens. good writing in there won't she? what happens. good writing in thejeffrey won't she? what happens. good writing in thejeffrey archer1't she? what happens. good writing in thejeffrey archer style. .7 what happens. good writing in thejeffrey archer style. knock >> jeffrey archer style. knock out another book. >> most definitely. the >> oh yeah, most definitely. the edinburgh going edinburgh fringe is going to be really year. really interesting this year. i think should all boycott. really interesting this year. i thini should all boycott. really interesting this year. i thini think hould all boycott. really interesting this year. i thini think i'llld all boycott. really interesting this year. i thini think i'll takel boycott. really interesting this year. i thini think i'll takel lshowt. really interesting this year. i thini think i'll takel lshow up. no, i think i'll take a show up. really? well. we're thinking of doing unleash. really? well. we're thinking of doiitry unleash. really? well. we're thinking of doiitry get unleash. really? well. we're thinking of doiitry get put.eash. really? well. we're thinking of doiitry get put in sh. really? well. we're thinking of doiitry get put in prison in scotland. >> thinking of doing >> well, we're thinking of doing a on april >> well, we're thinking of doing a 1st. on april >> well, we're thinking of doing a 1st. see on april >> well, we're thinking of doing a 1st. see how on april >> well, we're thinking of doing a 1st. see how that)n april >> well, we're thinking of doing a 1st. see how that goes ril >> well, we're thinking of doing a 1st. see how that goes down. the 1st. see how that goes down. but i don't if it'll work, but i don't know if it'll work, let's out, anyway, the let's find out, anyway, the telegraph that telegraph now with news that if you through the you want to get through to the hmrc , it's the best is to hmrc, it's the best way is to call and ask them to call the dwp and ask them to transfer you. is that right? >> yeah, to be that >> yeah, it seems to be that it's claimant calls it's benefit claimant calls answered faster than answered 15 times faster than hmrc, stunning. hmrc, which i find stunning. whenever i call anything it's 40 minutes minimum. you know, to

get a repair on your house or talk to the council. but apparently the universal credit line fast. it's line is actually very fast. it's a time is one minute a the average time is one minute 28. 2023. what does 28. in march 2023. what does that 28. in march 2023. what does tha what does it portend? >> what does it portend? >> what does it portend? >> well, i don't know really. i'll it portends . i'll tell you what it portends. i'll tell you what it portends. i say the universal i can't say on the universal credit on the on the credit side, but on the on the hmrc portends that hmrc side, it portends that they're because they're all at home because they're all at home because they're home. so they're working from home. so last year a 2 in 5 workers at regional hmrc centres did not go into the office at all in the year to march . so rees—mogg has year to march. so rees—mogg has popped up year to march. so rees—mogg has popped up and says it's idleness and he says they need different workplace practices and incentives and leadership and to basically go to work, going to work. >> controversial points steve, this is the worst piece of journalism i've seen for so long. >> the only story here is that i'm trying to your hmrc call i'm trying to get your hmrc call answered is woefully long, and then pitch it as these us then they pitch it as these us us versus them. oh, if you're on benefits, you get it answered. but if you're a taxpayer, you don't. why i have to try and force this battle. and then through article, yes, through the whole article, yes, they home for they blame working from home for hmrc, thing. they they blame working from home for hmrcsay thing. they

they blame working from home for hmrcsay how thing. they they blame working from home for hmrcsay how many ng. they they blame working from home for hmrc say how many peopley they blame working from home for hmrcsay how many people are don't say how many people are working home answering don't say how many people are workinbenefithome answering don't say how many people are workin benefit claimant .wering don't say how many people are workin benefit claimant calls.) those, benefit claimant calls. that's all right. conspicuous by its you know what? i don't even >> you know what? i don't even mind if the tax people don't answer. as long as i don't have to it seems like a fair to pay tax. it seems like a fair deal to pay tax. it seems like a fair deal, right? called and they. deal, right? i called and they. i deal, right? i called and they. l pay i tried. yeah, i didn't pay okay. finally times what's >> and finally the times what's this catchy new tagline from china. they aim to china. yeah, they they aim to overpower the west. technology. president xi has come up with a phrase, a motto so powerful that it could end the west. it will beat the free market. it will defeat, capitalism. here defeat, defeat capitalism. here we , develop new productive we go, develop new productive forces . forces. >> that's good. >> that's good. >> it sounds better in chinese. >> it sounds better in chinese. >> yeah, i think google translate . translate. >> can you do it in chinese, andrew? >> i mean, if i attempt it, i would get in trouble, wouldn't l, would get in trouble, wouldn't i, yes, i can. scotland. i, but yes, i can. scotland. >> of april. yeah, >> after the 1st of april. yeah, because article's got an because the article's got an interesting point. it's a different kind of communism because but because it's not communism, but it's ussr style. it will it's not a ussr style. it will economically . it's state economically fail. it's state controlled. having the ability to tweak like change your interest rate, change your exchange rates. i guess we can do interest rates and it do our interest rates and it

won't fail. they are won't financially fail. they are doing actually . doing really well, actually. being able to control which company means company will do well means you'll do all right in this free market. if everyone else playing free market rules you're free market rules and you're tweaking. yes it does. all right. they are better at electric vehicles. phone tech. i solar solar panels. yeah. they're making money out of the green economy , isn't it? just green economy, isn't it? just talking about it for ages. >> there's a sense of they're just hungry for it, aren't they? they're hungry power and they're hungry for power and global what global dominance. is that what it it's how it feels me. it is? it's how it feels to me. i mean, is a new cold i mean, if this is a new cold war, they're definitely they should win because they're putting effort. oh, yeah. >> they're terrifically keen on being superpower. being the main superpower. absolutely as said, absolutely and as steve said, it's fight stuff it's hard to fight this stuff because then forced into because then you're forced into sort protectionism sort of a kind of protectionism in way yourself. the is in a way yourself. the us is having blacklist. going having to blacklist. it's going to companies to blacklist, the companies that supply huawei with chips and things like that and do tariffs and things like that, which is actually what was talking actually what trump was talking about bloodbath about when he was the bloodbath thing. he was actually talking about, put tariffs about, i'm going to put tariffs on cars . so they can't about, i'm going to put tariffs on you cars . so they can't about, i'm going to put tariffs on you know, . so they can't about, i'm going to put tariffs on you know, get» they can't about, i'm going to put tariffs on you know, get a hey can't about, i'm going to put tariffs on you know, get a ridiculous just, you know, get a ridiculous advantage . and then he got

advantage. and then he got accused of this ridiculous bloodbath thing. that's bloodbath thing. and so that's what to to do what they're going to have to do because china is going because otherwise china is going to we just slogan. just >> we just need a slogan. just one. slogan than >> we just need a slogan. just one. new slogan than >> we just need a slogan. just one. new develop slogan than >> we just need a slogan. just one. new develop develop than >> we just need a slogan. just one. new develop develop area. that. new develop develop area. >> even better stuff. >> even better stuff. >> better stuff. >> better stuff. >> that sounds good to me. okay, well that's for two. do well that's it for part two. do join a few minutes when join us in a few minutes when we'll discussing the upside we'll be discussing the upside of the of being a brit. the reintroduction wolves, reintroduction of wolves, and we'll out women don't we'll find out what women don't want to talk online. see

welcome back to headliners. your first look at thursday's newspapers. and we're going to open this story about what's going germans. going on. germans. >> it's the germans, the germans. anything else you wanted to say? no that was it. okay. >> not what we were talking aboutin >> not what we were talking about in the break. no. >> so britons are happier. happier than germans? can you believe it? for the first time in seven i'd rather be in seven years, i'd rather be happy actually , like, happy than in actually, like, notoriously you notoriously happy nation. you know happier than know what i mean? happier than germans . i mean, come on. but

germans. i mean, come on. but anyway, believe it anyway, i don't believe it ehhen anyway, i don't believe it either. uk was either. but. so the uk was ranked places above germany ranked 24 places above germany and the world happiness report 2024, which is from the wellbeing research centre. and we've smashed it first time since we've ranked higher since 2017. we've ranked higher than germany and but it's only their 6.72 and we're 6.75. so it's a nonsense anyway. also, if you saw that thing from sapien labs earlier this month, we were ranked the second least happy nafion ranked the second least happy nation after uzbekistan. so why are we suddenly so? i believe that the first one, i believe the first one, more than this one, because i'm not happy. steve's not. we both got anhedonia. >> how do you quantify happiness? i all of these studies. yeah >> accurately. >> accurately. >> like also, is it not the case that human beings aren't. we've not meant to be happy. we strive after contentment. >> who else does that, >> you know who else does that, andrew tate. we're going to andrew tate. we're not going to be just meant to be happy. we're just meant to strive. basically strive. you've got basically andrew new andrew tate. you're the new andrew tate. you're the new ancwell, know, pretty >> well, you know, i'm pretty good chess, he's an good at chess, but he's he's an odd isnt good at chess, but he's he's an odd isn't it? and also odd one, isn't it? and also germans , by the way, have germans, by the way, they have this reputation dour this reputation for being dour and apparently and humourless. apparently that's just the way they express

themselves. actually that's just the way they express therofelves. actually that's just the way they express ther of joys. actually that's just the way they express therof joy and actually that's just the way they express therof joy and very actually that's just the way they express therof joy and very funny. ly full of joy and very funny. >> you just don't show the >> you just don't show on the outside. well, know, outside. yeah, well, you know, stoicism is the to go, stoicism is the way to go, right? you might as well, if we're, both a we're, you know, both and a tonic. might stay in tonic. you might as well stay in the you're the the middle. you're right. the happiness. is worse happiness. this survey is worse than before. the one than the one before. the one that at how much you that just looked at how much you hated your and bad hated your nation and how bad you have some more you felt might have some more accuracy to it, but it's too intangible . happiness shouldn't intangible. happiness shouldn't be a constant state. as you said earlier, is , you've got earlier, if it is, you've got mental health issues. yes. and therefore what's the point of measuring it? i actually think having this annual survey of happiness makes us feel like we have when you can't have to be happy. when you can't achieve that, it will end up making us more miserable. which is eventually we'll be. will making us more miserable. which is uzbekistan. ly we'll be. will be. uzbekistan. >> exactly. mean, you know, >> exactly. i mean, you know, when i was in finland, i kept being told finland. finland being told that finland. finland is happiest nations is one of the happiest nations in world. and everyone in the world. and everyone looked pretty miserable to me. don't have a high rate of don't they have a high rate of suicide? maybe why. suicide? maybe that's why. maybe all the miserable people just kill themselves off. and so all you've left happy people. >> it's too cold. someone told me lives there. it's. it's me who lives there. it's. it's —30 the winter, and you pee

—30 in the winter, and you pee more because certain parts freeze. they get so i freeze. they get so cold. i won't say the telly , but won't say on the telly, but parts parts of men get so parts of parts of men get so cold, they actually. your parts of you freeze well. >> or it could be that they dnnk >> or it could be that they drink more coffee than any other country in europe. >> that's what i said. well, i didn't say it because we go out at 5 am, i didn't want to at 5 am, so i didn't want to say the word. >> no, the word you meant. >> thanks. >> thanks. >> discussed things in >> we discussed these things in code, i, we're going to code, you and i, we're going to stay the telegraph. this is stay with the telegraph. this is a campaign to the a campaign designed to keep the xl future. >> wolves less dangerous >> wolves are less dangerous than brought than dogs and should be brought back. according to a rewilding campaigner, , i think campaigner, derek gow, i think is probably how you say it, here's what gets me about this , here's what gets me about this, right? it may well be true to say pet dogs kill more say that pet dogs kill more people than wolves. they do, because more because there are way more people with pet dogs. and also at the moment in the no at the moment in the uk, no wolves. so statistically i'm on board with that one. >> not proportional ? no, >> is it not proportional? no, it's not a proportional thing, ho. 110. >> no. >> but, distance between you and the wolf would be the thing, isn't that your dog right isn't it? that your dog is right there? on you, you

there? if it turns on you, you don't have long. a wolf there? if it turns on you, you don't hato long. a wolf there? if it turns on you, you don't hato have a wolf there? if it turns on you, you don't hato have a a wolf there? if it turns on you, you don't hato have a bad/olf you decides to have a bad day, you might not find out about it. but they've and people might not find out about it. but thegete and people might not find out about it. but theget killed. and people might not find out about it. but the get killed. irather, ple do get killed. studies rather, people wolves. people do get killed by wolves. yes, me. yes, and here's what gets me. they've worked that they've not worked out that these there's no these numbers add up. there's no either it's not. well, if either or it's not. well, if we're going to have some deaths by that really by wolves, that will really bnng by wolves, that will really bring deaths. yes. bring down the pet deaths. yes. no, happen. and no, they'll still happen. and then 25 people across the decade or picked off or whatever will be picked off by a wolves. >> but don't wolves basically steer humans as much as steer clear of humans as much as they can? >> they and yeah, well, >> they do. and yeah, well, although in this article they say wilderness say they're not as wilderness based might go through based and they might go through your bins. i don't even like foxes going through bin. foxes going through my bin. imagine a wolf. >> yeah. the bin. >> yeah. the bin. >> his argument for it. >> yeah. the bin. >> as his argument for it. >> yeah. the bin. >> as yowis argument for it. >> yeah. the bin. >> as you saidgument for it. >> yeah. the bin. >> as you said this,ynt for it. >> yeah. the bin. >> as you said this, the or it. and as you said this, the argument he only if argument he made only works if we're stopping we're we're stopping dogs. but we're continuing now adding people, and now we're adding wolves killing people. he admits wolves killing people. he admits wolves found 25 wolves will kill. they found 25 examples attacking and examples of wolves attacking and killing . and he still killing people. and he still says, but still says, yeah, but they're still good. i'll go good. and he says, i'll go through bins . this through your bins. this is the guy making argument guy making the argument for them. yeah, them. and he says, oh yeah, they'll kill of sheep, but they'll kill a lot of sheep, but that be seen as that shouldn't be seen as a disaster. yeah, tell disaster. oh yeah, tell the farmer, yeah. i they farmer, yeah. i mean, they killed in europe.

killed 65,000 in europe. farm animals, you're animals, mainly sheep. if you're from country like i am, the from the country like i am, the lakes. we don't want wolves. farmers wolves . you farmers don't want wolves. you don't a wolf in your don't want a wolf in your garden. want for garden. you don't want to go for a nice, pleasant, walk. a nice, pleasant, short walk. and a there, you've got and as a wolf there, you've got a in your garden. you've a deer in your garden. you've got they a deer in your garden. you've got understand they a deer in your garden. you've got understand you hey in don't understand how you live in the usually the country. these are usually city idea if they city people have no idea if they bnng city people have no idea if they bring in. anyone bring this in. anyone in the country just constant country will just be in constant danger of wolves. they're massive, rewilding . massive, of rewilding. >> you know, this idea, this is really good for the environment. did milton did they put buffalo in milton keynes milton keynes or something? not milton keynes or something? not milton keynightclub buffaloes. >> nightclub called buffaloes. >> nightclub called buffaloes. >> brought buffalo >> no, no, they brought buffalo into somewhere. >> support so the >> i would support that. so the only about milton only thing exciting about milton keynes, something. only thing exciting about milton keynes, like, something. only thing exciting about milton keynes, like, stick something. only thing exciting about milton keynes, like, stick scfew:hing. didn't they like, stick a few buffalo in there? didn't they like, stick a few bqupparentlya? didn't they like, stick a few buf apparently the didn't they like, stick a few bqupparently the buffalo, they >> apparently the buffalo, they clear the woods >> apparently the buffalo, they cleathat the woods >> apparently the buffalo, they cleathat enables the woods >> apparently the buffalo, they cleathat enables other woods >> apparently the buffalo, they cleathat enables other animals and that enables other animals to flourish and all sorts things. >> so there's argument that >> so there's an argument that we many deer and we we have too many deer and we need control their need to control their population. would population. and wolves would do that. and admittedly, he says, people kill people say, oh, we need to kill more deer and have more venison, but it hasn't happened. we're not deer hunters. and not very good deer hunters. and that's brits aren't, that's true. brits aren't, but americans should americans are. we should just get more americans get some more americans in. although would although they would they would encourage although they would they would enc that's the although they would they would encthat's the answer. joe rogan

>> that's the answer. joe rogan loves it. one of those loves it. give one one of those bows the nhs and get them out bows on the nhs and get them out there. >> okay, have a look now >> okay, let's have a look now at mail and that at the daily mail and news that women talking about women don't like talking about politics. nick, is this right? >> well, on the internet they're worried. so three and four women are uncomfortable talking politics online over fears of being trolled or trolled, depending from, depending on where you're from, study they asked 2000 study finds. so they asked 2000 adults. it was carried out by the turing institute, and the alan turing institute, and they found that 23% of women feel felt comfortable expressing their views, compared to 40% of men. are more comfortable men. so men are more comfortable because, just men. so men are more comfortable becallike just men. so men are more comfortable becallike that just men. so men are more comfortable becallike that where just men. so men are more comfortable becallike that where woment men. so men are more comfortable becallike that where women are more like that where women are hiring agreeable , as jordan hiring agreeable, as jordan peterson always says. so they're more about fitting in more concerned about fitting in socially, and they don't want to be by horrible people be attacked by horrible people online. i totally get it. i recommend muting anyone except the which the people who follow you, which is done, even is what i've done, and even they're annoying sometimes they're quite annoying sometimes your you your actual followers. but you reduce weirdos or reduce 90% of the weirdos or just doyle go off just do it andrew doyle go off to substack and leave twitter entirely. >> or i mean, this is because this actually, this not what this actually, this is, not what i thought insofar as there was a study about six years ago that showed that men actually get

more abuse online than do , more abuse online than women do, so is this or is it is this just about the reaction? >> it's a reaction. yeah. they feel low afterwards. feel more low afterwards. it's been feel bad about it. been they feel bad about it. >> i mean that makes sense just in terms what you just said in terms of what you just said about that makes about agreeableness. that makes complete you think? but if we could work on this >> but if we could work on this to try and get three and four men about men to not want to talk about politics online, imagine how nice people politics online, imagine how nice have people politics online, imagine how nice have just people politics online, imagine how nice have just leavee politics online, imagine how nice have just leave it to didn't have to just leave it to the yeah, like didn't have to just leave it to the about yeah, like didn't have to just leave it to the about politicseah, like didn't have to just leave it to the about politics leftlike didn't have to just leave it to the about politics left ,ke didn't have to just leave it to the about politics left , right opine about politics left, right and can i get and centre. can i just get through dinner without through a dinner without someone giving me the point of view? i think political disputes giving me the point of view? i thi social political disputes giving me the point of view? i thi social poltend disputes giving me the point of view? i thi social poltend to sputes giving me the point of view? i thi social poltend to be tes on social media tend to be reduced playground reduced to just playground mudslinging the mudslinging or that, but the problem sort of filtered mudslinging or that, but the probleinto sort of filtered mudslinging or that, but the probleinto parliamentf filtered mudslinging or that, but the probleinto parliament and ered mudslinging or that, but the probleinto parliament and they down into parliament and they just up talking just end up talking about ferrets you know? just end up talking about ferrso you know? just end up talking about ferrso i you know? just end up talking about ferrso i mean, you know? just end up talking about ferrso i mean, clearly, now? just end up talking about ferrso i mean, clearly, see, the >> so i mean, clearly, see, the whole of political whole nature of political discourse across discourse has degraded across the board. so we're all doomed anyway. let's move on anyway. anyway, let's move on now to the telegraph. and nick, the faa has some explaining to do. >> is this this, or is this steve, do you want to do this? >> i'll let you do it very similar. i'll give you. no, no, to be fair, i often think, why do i get the football stories? to be fair, i often think, why do ilike the football stories? to be fair, i often think, why do ilike the fci'm all stories? to be fair, i often think, why do ilike the fci'm watching? it's like when i'm watching at

home particle home and there's a particle physics you physics one on, and you get lewis talking about it and popcorn, they're lewis talking about it and pop going they're lewis talking about it and pop going to they're lewis talking about it and pop going to get they're lewis talking about it and pop going to get th> e“- p- p— e of you are football >> neither of you are football fans, are you? >> yeah. the football. >> oh, are football. >> oh, so, faa >> oh, you are sorry. so, faa summoned failure to summoned to explain failure to ban players in ban transgender players in women's ban transgender players in worthe s ban transgender players in worthe telegraph's been bit >> the telegraph's been a bit tabloidthis edition the hating this edition of the telegraph. they've been invited summoned. they've been invited to it's not just to a roundtable. it's not just to a roundtable. it's not just to this question. to answer this question. even sports brought ban sports that have brought a ban in just to have a in are just there to have a discussion. aside, it's discussion. that aside, it's great this discussion is great that this discussion is happening. conversation great that this discussion is ha beening. conversation great that this discussion is ha be had|. conversation great that this discussion is ha be had rather conversation great that this discussion is ha be had rather than'ersation great that this discussion is ha be had rather than like tion to be had rather than like argument shouting. the to be had rather than like arguthelt shouting. the to be had rather than like arguthe telegrapthing. the to be had rather than like arguthe telegraph are]. the to be had rather than like arguthe telegraph are trying the to be had rather than like arguthe telegraph are trying to; way the telegraph are trying to make will be a make it seem like it will be a fight. this is a discussion fight. no, this is a discussion worth having. we need to remember category remember that any category of sport an artificial construct sport is an artificial construct anyway. a sport should be anyway. a sport should just be who's the best at it. but you don't have it like that because you just be some burly bloke winning everything. yes, you have we out have categories. so we sort out what they are. >> introduced, you know, >> we introduced, you know, we split sports into biological sex because women wouldn't win anything. and shouldn't. anything. and so shouldn't. i mean, conversation should be mean, the conversation should be over in, like, a few minutes, shouldn't well, shouldn't it, you know. well, you men women's you don't have men in women's sports, right? with me? sports, right? who's with me?

and like, and everyone should be like, yeah, that's obvious. yeah, of course, that's obvious. >> more than a few >> it's taken more than a few minutes, finally minutes, but it is finally happening. i mean, starmer has even admitted women's even admitted we need women's sports, the puberty blockers ban. winning ban. we're finally winning this out. over , actually. out. it's almost over, actually. and i have to say, i've been proud defend from proud to defend women from people invading, you know, men invading changing rooms invading their changing rooms and and prisons and and their sports and prisons and so on. but now it almost time so on. but now it is almost time for return to my for me to return to my misogynist brothers. >> someone who like >> for someone who doesn't like women, a women, you've really done a lot for me. >> t- t— e it's been a strange >> exactly. it's been a strange alliance. a temporary alliance. it's been a temporary alliance. the warzone. this battle over and i'll battle is almost over and i'll return to. >> it's m. m- m— >> but it's not, is it, steve? we turf island. we are known as turf island. we're this place that acknowledges the importance of biological sex. whereas most places america doesn't, canada doesn't. australia is absolutely insane at the moment. new zealand's lost, so is it possible that our example will spread across the globe, much like the empire did ? like the empire did? >> maybe. i remember that interview with degrasse interview with neil degrasse tyson where he really sets his stall out. well, by defining gender and how you can look at someone, you get information of gender of and gender and not of sex, and then goes the wrong direction of

goes down the wrong direction of talking sex segregated talking about sex segregated sports. someone that sports. so if someone is that good at science can start getting confused with his own terms. i'm not sure we stand much of a chance, the one thing i in here i do like to bring in here motorsports. need to be motorsports. don't need to be invited, no, because people presume a sex separated presume it's a sex separated sport. not. it only sport. it's not. it was only 1992, the last time there was a woman driving in a formula one race. >> well, doesn't the car do all the or is that the work? i mean, or is that unfair say isn't it? >> is it to do with like, women drivers ? drivers? >> oh, i thought it was going to be a parking joke. >> i was i was worried that nick might and he did. of might go there. and he did. of course okay, go to course he did. okay, let's go to the independent and this on the independent now. and this on google's mastering google's ai deepmind mastering football tactics. what's what's deepmind? >> said it deepmind? >> yeah, you've said it for me. google's deepmind claims to google's deepmind ai claims to have tactics, have mastered football tactics, but these ais make all sorts of claims. claim white people claims. they claim white people don't . all this don't exist. and all this deepmind, deepmind. andrew is a revolutionary ai. it's google's leading ai division , deepmind. leading ai division, deepmind. that's what it's called. actually, it's the no. gemini is the product. sorry. deepmind is the product. sorry. deepmind is the division that builds rubbish like gemini ,

the division that builds rubbish like gemini, but the division that builds rubbish like gemini , but they've now like gemini, but they've now made this tactic sorry tactic made this oh tactic sorry tactic tactic ai is the ai, i think. i don't know why is it asking me these things? i skimmed it. the point beating people at point is it's beating people at 9°, point is it's beating people at go, which is a board game. it's beating people at starcraft two. now it's beating people at football essentially. you now it's beating people at footbeneed;entially. you now it's beating people at footbeneed a 1tially. you now it's beating people at footbeneed a football you now it's beating people at footbeneed a football manager. won't need a football manager. you'll pay me. it's you'll be able to pay me. it's going much cheaper get going to be much cheaper to get an those massive an ai in, save those massive wages it can just zap lazy wages and it can just zap lazy players. it won't sent off. players. it won't get sent off. it won't get a in a little brown bag. >> steve, we have bring >> steve, we have to bring back the have the luddites. no, we have to trash computers now , look, i trash the computers now, look, i you know, i don't like football trash the computers now, look, i yo any ow, i don't like football trash the computers now, look, i yo any sport,|on't like football trash the computers now, look, i yo any sport, really, (e football trash the computers now, look, i yo any sport, really, so football trash the computers now, look, i yo any sport, really, so iotball trash the computers now, look, i yo any sport, really, so i think or any sport, really, so i think the other way. >> yes. use ai the other way. >> yes. use al to replace coaches managers and then coaches and managers and then the football and just do the football players and just do a us would a simulation. tell us who would have anyway. can all have won anyway. and we can all go get on with our go home and get on with our lives. a more productive. >> i think absolutely >> i think it's absolutely horrific. us horrific. robots will kill us all. break. now come all. time for a break. now come back final for back in the final section for food joggers food terrorism. angry joggers and of

welcome back to the final part of headliners. we're going to go into the telegraph now about chief superintendent having a bit of a laugh. >> steve, this copy of the telegraph can just do one. you hate the telegraph today on this edition, specially so i didn't report because report stolen card because thief spent on my wife, says spent less on my wife, says former police chief, ruining the joke headline. but also joke in the headline. but also it piers appeared unsure it says piers appeared unsure whether the ex—chief superintendent, who advised the labour government, was joking. what when he did a joke and they laughed. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> why are they trying to spin it? there's some mystery. it? oh, there's some mystery. no, just he a joke. no, he just he did a joke. here's what said. lord here's what he said. lord mackenzie framwellgate. mackenzie of framwellgate. do you it's you know what we're like? it's probably froom. probably pronounced froom. said, is aware ? on one of is the minister aware? on one of her rare visits to london, my wife had her credit card stolen. i monitored the use of the card, and i have to say, didn't and i have to say, i didn't report it the police because report it to the police because the thief was spending than the thief was spending less than she . do not know? she was. how do you not know? >> way you tell it >> i mean, the way you tell it is funny . it's >> i mean, the way you tell it is funny. it's a good joke. is very funny. it's a good joke. it reminds the thief. this it reminds me, the thief. this reminds little about reminds me a little bit about when skit on when the. we did our skit on christmas where pretended

christmas day, where i pretended to and the metro to have a tantrum and the metro reported saying, oh, news reported it saying, oh, gb news presenter storms off. but it might a yes, it might have been a joke. yes, it was you morons. was a joke, you morons. >> you acted too well and they haven't your tantrum haven't seen your real tantrum so know so they didn't know the difference that difference was i can i know that the is blood the real tantrum there is blood on the walls. >> the place down. >> i screamed the place down. it's horrible. absolutely. people die in act two. >> can just check? is >> well, can i just check? is framwelgate a sort of scandal that happened in framwelgate or is it a place? you see what i mean? >> i know exactly what you mean. >> i know exactly what you mean. >> it's a place. is it? >> yeah, it's a place. is it? >> i've. that's all i've got on margate. feels like scandal. >> yeah. it's. that's all i've got on this. quite got on this. it's quite okay. this at got on this. it's quite okay. thibest, at got on this. it's quite okay. thibest, i at got on this. it's quite okay. thibest, i think. at got on this. it's quite okay. thibest, i think. just, at got on this. it's quite okay. thibest, i think. just, you at its best, i think. just, you know, old blokes know, just old posh blokes making jokes. that's making misogynist jokes. that's what making misogynist jokes. that's whtthat's what it's there for. making misogynist jokes. that's whttand; what it's there for. making misogynist jokes. that's whtt and the at it's there for. making misogynist jokes. that's whtt and the garrick. iere for. making misogynist jokes. that's whtt and the garrick. let'syr. making misogynist jokes. that's whtt and the garrick. let's move that and the garrick. let's move on daily mail now. an on to the daily mail now. an upsetting about sushi, nick. >> oh, yeah. so sushi >> oh, yeah. so it's sushi terrorism forces four of japan's, is very funny japan's, biggest is very funny to scrap self—service, although that's a slightly different headune. that's a slightly different headline . but whatever. it's headline. but whatever. it's about sushi terrorism and they're worried that it's the end of the conveyor belt of sushl end of the conveyor belt of sushi. basically, what's happening is people are doing

all gross to all kinds of gross things to sushi. all kinds of gross things to sushi . they're eating ginger sushi. they're eating ginger directly from a communal pot. they're soy sauce they're licking soy sauce bottles. they're doing all sorts of things. and it's called sushi terrorism. it's a massive thing. and what happens is basically, japan traditional japan is a very traditional patriarchal culture, and that's brilliant. great thing, brilliant. it's a great thing, but occasionally it's so oppressive that you just need to go and lick something. go crazy and lick something. so they're they're they're licking fish, they're licking sauce, they're licking, it's so alarmist to call it terrorism. >> al—qaeda don't do this kind of thing . of thing. >> well, do we? do we know for sure? >> maybe they do . maybe they do. >> maybe they do. maybe they do. >> maybe they do. maybe they do. >> the whole point is, i'm outraged. >> i mean, this is pretty gross. i'd say it's gross. i wouldn't say i say it's say it's terrorism. i say it's just antisocial. yeah. just pretty antisocial. yeah. >> the solution to >> but also the solution is to not just going around not have food just going around on conveyor belt. that also not have food just going around on ccaveyor belt. that also not have food just going around on cca lot)r belt. that also not have food just going around on cca lot of)elt. that also not have food just going around on cca lot of sensehat also not have food just going around on cca lot of sense as also not have food just going around on cca lot of sense as well. makes a lot of sense as well. doesn't have that people doesn't have food that people can and i love the can just get at. and i love the fact loads places stop fact that loads of places stop this during i read this during covid. and i read what bit. i thought, what i hit that bit. i thought, yeah, bring it back? yeah, why do we bring it back? wasn't lesson? don't yeah, why do we bring it back? wa people lesson? don't yeah, why do we bring it back? wa people sneeze sson? don't yeah, why do we bring it back? wa people sneeze on n? don't yeah, why do we bring it back? wa people sneeze on youryn't yeah, why do we bring it back? wa people sneeze on your food. yeah, why do we bring it back? wa yeah,e sneeze on your food. yeah, why do we bring it back? wa yeah, there eze on your food. yeah, why do we bring it back? wa yeah, there you»n your food. yeah, why do we bring it back? wa yeah, there you go. )ur food. >> yeah, there you go. but i quite like it. there's a bit of a because you have to a jeopardy because you have to

be quite skilled it off be quite skilled to get it off the don't you? the conveyor belt, don't you? >> you get your luggage >> for when you get your luggage after a and after you've been on a plane and that's after you've been on a plane and tha okay, let's have >> okay, well, let's have another another food another story. another food story. actually, this one's in the star. steve you got this? >> yeah. humans in cities are losing abilities to digest losing our abilities to digest plants one reason. it plants for one key reason. it teases the western diet is lacking use flaxseed lacking in fibre. i use flaxseed for that. what's that? so, linseed, flaxseed. you can just pour it into some water. just neck it. it's a good source of dietary fibre. i'm regular. dietary fibre. i'm so regular. i actually struggle when the clocks change. all right. so thanks for that. the thanks for that. the, the problem is we've got various microbes that are all linked to, mycokeys, which is my i beg your pardon? in some places online and your drag name, it's basically the, one of these bacteria that can break down cellulose if you don't eat, a lot of it dies off. so prize. >> yeah. nick, i mean, fibre is important. you've got to keep it up in your diet, haven't you? >> because lewis isn't here. i'm going to have to say vegetables are bad, okay? vegetables are bad evolved bad for you. this. we've evolved beyond why i'm beyond them. that's why i'm learning this it's

learning from this story. it's like, we like, yeah, we just. we don't need we've evolved like, yeah, we just. we don't nee(sort we've evolved like, yeah, we just. we don't nee(sort process. we've evolved into sort of process. >> i meant to eat? >> what am i meant to eat? because i don't meat, i? because i don't eat meat, do i? >> should. i can't >> you should. andrew, i can't do you'd become straight again, >> you'd become straight again, not carbohydrates. >> carbohydrates of >> this is not carbohydrates of vegetables. the vegetables. this is the cellulose of fibre that you can't really digest anyway. okay? but it keeps irregular and you the diverticula . you don't get the diverticula. titus. those little weird things. >> no. okay. i love the idea that thinks that, that nick thinks that, heterosexuals are carnivores. >> we're going to >> i just think we're going to geti to >> i just think we're going to get i to straight. >> i just think we're going to geti to straight. yeah, >> i used to be straight. yeah, this is news to me. >> you ate too many >> then you ate too many vegetables, then i meat linked. >> much ml p much too much >> too much broccoli. too much broccoli that was my broccoli in aba. that was my problem. right, move broccoli in aba. that was my protoem. right, move broccoli in aba. that was my proto this right, move broccoli in aba. that was my proto this story. ht, move broccoli in aba. that was my proto this story. in move broccoli in aba. that was my proto this story. in the move broccoli in aba. that was my proto this story. in the times; on to this story. in the times about jogging, making people out, jogging makes me angry. nick yeah, because it's boring. >> it's for me. well, yeah. while jogging could be making >> it's for me. well, yeah. whi angrier,|g could be making >> it's for me. well, yeah. whi angrier, and.jld be making >> it's for me. well, yeah. whi angrier, and. id be making >> it's for me. well, yeah. whi angrier, and. i don'tnaking you angrier, and. i don't believe all, but the believe this at all, but the idea is that it just makes you. it gets you into higher state it gets you into a higher state of arousal, that just makes of arousal, and that just makes you . so it doesn't you more angry. so it doesn't work. i don't believe this. they they admit, though, that playing ball arousal ball games has an arousal decreasing effect. your decreasing effect. getting your anger on ball games. i don't anger out on ball games. i don't know what that that's know what that is. that's punching in the face.

punching someone in the face. yeah, fits in. yeah, i know where that fits in. but things like but football and things like that it's that help you because it's hitting it helps your hitting balls and it helps your tennis. they're saying running doesn't. they're doesn't. i think they're wrong. i is still for i think it is still good for you. is they're you. but this is what they're claiming this. they're claiming in this. and they're also about also saying don't talk about your try get your anger or don't try and get it chest. do approve it off your chest. i do approve of said, bottle it of that. as i said, bottle it up, it up. up, bottle it up. >> yeah, that's that's what you're all about. but but board games, are they saying board games, are they saying board garball. >> ball. >> ball. >> yeah. ball games. yeah. because backgammon. because i play backgammon. that's out. that's what gets my rage out. >> that's more of a, you know, personal think personal problem. i think the backgammons coincidence. >> level rage. >> you have low level of rage. as so often as someone who every so often runs your way, if runs people in your way, if anything make you angry, just how not me? for how can you not hear me? for people with headphones how can you not hear me? for pe0|then with headphones how can you not hear me? for pe0|then just with headphones how can you not hear me? for pe0|then just wi lateralehones and then just this lateral movement, you're movement, if you if you're a slow walker, keeps you a straight drift. straight line. all this drift. yes. tokyo drift. yes. this tokyo drift. >> is there an equivalent of road when it comes to road rage when it comes to jogging 7 road rage when it comes to jogging ? does happen? jogging? rage. does that happen? it just does happen. >> pure beast. >> just pure beast. >> just pure beast. >> so you were you were you were. you are a pure beast. >> when i run, because i wear, like a black hoodie and i got the i look more like the stubble. i look more like a mugger just successfully mugger who's just successfully mugged. tend mugged. right. so people do tend to get out my way. >> are a jogger, nick?

>> are you a jogger, nick? >> are you a jogger, nick? >> run a bit. i do as >> i do run a bit. yeah, i do as you know, mainly strength training, do the training, but i do do the occasional three. just occasional sort of three. just three, three and miles three, three and a half miles or something. three, three and a half miles or sonthat's|. three, three and a half miles or sonthat's a bit of a humblebrag. >> that's a bit of a humblebrag. >> that's a bit of a humblebrag. >> a week, you >> football once a week, you know. who know. yeah. who cares? who cares? about cares? nature doesn't care about my incredible strength. >> , i do, nick, and that's >> well, i do, nick, and that's why i asked. you're very, very hench. you're looking. hench. and you're looking. you're wonderful. you're looking wonderful. thank you a quite you very much. quite a quite a physique. need more physique. you need to eat more meat. do eat more meat. i do need to eat more meat. i do need to eat more meat. i'm to take that meat. i'm going to take that advice. if i don't get anything else from this show, got else from this show, i've got that, the that, which is great. okay the show over. let's have show is nearly over. let's have another thursday's front another look at thursday's front pages. telegraph is pages. so the telegraph is running health running with mental health crisis. gone too far, says crisis. has gone too far, says stride. the times defeat stride. the times has defeat still fresh blow to rwanda migrant bill daily mail migrant bill and the daily mail is leading with mortgage hope as economy turns a corner. at last the metro fentanyl phantom and the metro fentanyl phantom and the eye news uk on track for summer interest rate cuts after inflation falls . and the daily inflation falls. and the daily star. apparently they found some gold in shropshire. so that's all we've got time for. thanks ever so much to my guests steve n allen and nick dixon. now i'm

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the night, so surprised the night, so don't be surprised if little drab. first if it's not a little drab. first thing on thursday morning. could even fog around . even be some fog patches around. it should steadily clear through the morning, and then most of england . dry and england and wales. dry and bright. bit of patchy bright. a bit of patchy rain could wales, could affect north wales, northern england at times certainly rain moving from scotland that rain moving from west to east across northern ireland brightening up ireland to brightening up perhaps across the far northwest. but it will be windy here. blustery conditions throughout and turning a little colder pretty throughout and turning a little coldewith pretty throughout and turning a little coldewith of pretty throughout and turning a little coldewith of brightness in mild with a bit of brightness in the could easily see the south, we could easily see those mid those temperatures into the mid teens. those temperatures into the mid teens . once more will see the teens. once more we will see the rain further south as rain trickling further south as we go through the night. a damp start across parts of the south, that rain perhaps lingering until across the until lunchtime across the south—east blustery showers coming behind, particularly south—east blustery showers conscotlandehind, particularly south—east blustery showers conscotland andi, particularly south—east blustery showers conscotland and northern arly for scotland and northern ireland, with some snow on the hills and a colder feel , it is hills and a colder feel, it is going to turn chillier for all of us to end this week into the weekend. >> looks like things are heating up boiler as sponsors of up boxt boiler as sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> on the day that over 450 young men crossed the english channel young men crossed the english channel, there's a parliamentary battle going on to get the rwanda bill through. but will it actually bring any solutions? is there an end in sight to there really an end in sight to there really an end in sight to the migrant crisis? plus, a surprising 20% of our serving police officers say they want to quit within the next year or two. what on earth's going wrong? and could we possibly try to turn this around and we'll discuss reaction, fallout to the trump interview in particular, what he had to say about nato and why the bbc have not chosen to talk about it at all. quite extraordinary . first, let's get extraordinary. first, let's get the news with polly middlehurst .

the news with polly middlehurst. >> nigel, thank you and good evening to you. well, our top story from the gb newsroom tonight is that an illegal migrant is in hospital after being stabbed on board a small boat attempting to cross the engush boat attempting to cross the english channel. uk authorities, including force officials including border force officials and two lifeboats, attended the scene just before lunchtime today. officers are now trying today. officers are now trying to establish exactly what happened.the to establish exactly what happened. the victim, we understand, has nonlife threatening injuries. the dinghy was one of eight small boats that reached uk shores on the busiest day of channel crossing so far this year , with a record so far this year, with a record 450 migrants arriving today alone. this takes the number of migrants coming to the uk illegally this year to nearly 4000. meanwhile, housing illegal migrants on barges , military migrants on barges, military bases and in student accommodation is going to cost taxpayers more than the hotels currently being used . the currently being used. the national audit office says housing those waiting for asylum

decisions in alternative accommodation