changing. state pension age was changing. back in 2010, the parliamentary and health service ombudsman has looked at their case and the potential injustices resulting from the decision to raise the women's retirement age to bring it in line with men and the women against state pension inequality campaign , or waspi as inequality campaign, or waspi as it's known, is suggesting there should now be £10,000 in compensation for each woman , compensation for each woman, claiming they weren't properly warned about the changes . claiming they weren't properly warned about the changes. number 10 said today it's dealing with a migration emergency after a record number of asylum seekers crossed the english channel yesterday, 514 illegal migrants were picked up by border force officials, the biggest daily number so far this year. and today we know at least another 300 migrants have crossed the channelin 300 migrants have crossed the channel in six small boats . the channel in six small boats. the government says it hopes to get its rwanda bill into law by april the 18th. and today the home secretary, james cleverly, said he's determined to deliver on the government's pledge to stop the boats. meanwhile, a south sudanese man has been

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alerts. >> today's news agenda exposed the left wing bias in the media. the day began with this reform is now polling just four points behind the conservatives. rishi sunakis behind the conservatives. rishi sunak is now polling as badly as liz truss in her final moments for the last week, though, all the headlines have been about ousting sunak and every time a tory is on the establishment, media, they are asked this. >> i ask again why is the conservative party so riven.7 you would seem to have more groups than you have on now. that's what i call music album. why would that be.7 >> would that be? >> well, i don't i don't actually like that. you actually see it like that. you know, when i'm dame andrea, there group, there are 12 there are 12 group, there are 12 groups. entitled groups. i'm entitled to my opinion. indeed . you're opinion. yes, indeed. you're trying to assert that everything's i'm everything's riven. i'm just trying to explain to you as i walk around parliament as i attend 1922 committees, as i go into the members tea room, into the lobby, do not see a party the lobby, i do not see a party that's massively divided there, but swathes of the but vast swathes of the establishment media does not go after labour in the same way. >> today this happened.

>> today this happened. >> i've always been a labour quy- my >> i've always been a labour guy. my family's been labour for generations. i joined the party at the age of 15 and i voted for them under every single leader in the 21 years of my adult life. for me , the party is life. but for me, the party is over and i've just quit. >> i mean, jones, viewed by many as the poster boy for the labour party's core base support, cut up party's core base support, cut up his membership why up his membership card. why >> and then there's the keir starmer, who made a series of promises when he stood to be leader labour or leader of the labour party, or pledges, called them , are pledges, as he called them, are not but in some pledges, as he called them, are not claimed but in some pledges, as he called them, are not claimed he'd in some pledges, as he called them, are not claimed he'd neverne pledges, as he called them, are not claimed he'd never made them. >> is it a pledge that these industries will be in your manifesto for nationalisation? >> yes, it is . >> yes, it is. >> i didn't make a commitment to nationalisation. i never made a commitment to nationalisation . commitment to nationalisation. >> those lies were >> on some of those lies were just petty. >> em- e tribute to >> i want to pay tribute to jeremy corbyn. he's a colleague. he's friend . he's a friend. >> was he a friend? >> was he a friend? >> no. >> no. >> the fact is, you just cannot trust a single word that that man says . man says. >> and you can't, can you either? u—turns on everything or you could say he just lies to

you could say he just lies to you and there isn't a plan on illegal immigration. they haven't got an answer. >> where would you house people who come on small boats if labour win the next election? >> so labour's policy is to not use the hotels by clearing the backlog. >> this backlog is using barges in military sites. no absolutely no, no. >> the labour party has said no, we would not use that. and for the same reason the costs are ludicrous. national ludicrous. the national audit office said costs office has said the costs are ludicrous. office has said the costs are lud sous. office has said the costs are lud so you're not i'm asking you, >> so you're not i'm asking you, where going house >> so you're not i'm asking you, where because oing house >> so you're not i'm asking you, where because you're house >> so you're not i'm asking you, where because you're nothe >> so you're not i'm asking you, where because you're not going >> so you're not i'm asking you, wae�* because you're not going >> so you're not i'm asking you, wae�* becto se you're not going >> so you're not i'm asking you, wae�* becto clearj're not going >> so you're not i'm asking you, wae�* becto clearj're backlogg to be able to clear the backlog in two days or three in a day or two days or three days, you what about the £28 days, are you what about the £28 billion green their billion green spending their entire environmental agenda? >> prosperity >> got your green prosperity pledge ? how about we try and pledge? how about we try and nail this down? what is the current status of the 28 billion green prosperity pledge? what is what's happening to that? >> we are, we are. we are not. as you know, we're not spending 28 billion, but that was your own figure. >> i, the junior doctors, have just voted to go on strike

again. will that stop under labour took my hand and she said, you won't let your dad go. >> private , will you? and it was >> private, will you? and it was really. it so important to really. it was so important to her, however ill she was, as a matter of absolute principle, she felt that you shouldn't make money from mental health. one of the issues that we've looked at is whether or not we're using the private sector effectively. a number of people do go as nhs patients to the private sector, our research shows that that's been underused and we could do more of it . more of it. >> no, it won't get better, will it? neither will rail strikes . it? neither will rail strikes. now, the opinion polls show that labouris now, the opinion polls show that labour is on about 46. take that with a pinch of salt for reasons that i will outline shortly. but even with that lead, sir keir starmer is not in control of his own party. the deputy leader, who he allegedly doesn't get on with at all, wants to bring diane abbott back, even though she refused go on she reportedly refused to go on an antisemitism awareness training course. he does not on israel gaza. he's got at least

100 mp5 israel gaza. he's got at least 100 mps who are ready to rebel. his party has lost the muslim vote. >> measures are . people listen >> measures are. people listen here. free, free, free free palestine . palestine. >> the labour leader is not in control of his deputy leader or his backbenchers. he's lost a lot of the traditional working class because rachel reeves says things like this. class because rachel reeves says thirwhat;e this. class because rachel reeves says thirwhat would you done differently? >> so what we need is a plan for growth. we need get people growth. we need to get people back work. there are 700,000 back to work. there are 700,000 more people, due to be on sickness benefits . and that, of sickness benefits. and that, of course, is a huge cost to the economy with the benefits paid out. >> oh, i going after going after the benefits. and he's ushered in people like this. >> keir starmer this is for gaza i >> -- >> we simply cannot quantify the impact independent candidates will have at the next election . will have at the next election. and they're going to harm starmer more than anyone else . starmer more than anyone else. labour hasn't even won a general

election yet, and it's already on the brink of ripping itself apart . let's get the thoughts of apart. let's get the thoughts of my panel tonight. i am joined by daily telegraph columnist allison pearson, the founding chairman of global britain uk, amber gill, and former labour party adviser matthew laza allison. he's lost owen jones. has he lost the bass ? has he lost the bass? >> i suspect keir starmer would be quite pleased to lose owen jones, to be honest with you. look, patrick, what we've got is we've got it's now the conventional wisdom these parties , they think they win in parties, they think they win in the centre, try to steer the centre, so they try to steer this rather bland, centrist course, don't offend anyone. but what that's leading to people like owen jones, who's on the left, corbyn, east wing of the party, he's furious. they're not going to tax the they're going to tax the rich. they're not to renationalise not going to renationalise different . meanwhile, different industries. meanwhile, the conservative party masses of different industries. meanwhile, the lotiservative party masses of different industries. meanwhile, the lot of rvative party masses of different industries. meanwhile, the lot of the ve party masses of different industries. meanwhile, the lot of the telegraph, asses of different industries. meanwhile, the lot of the telegraph, they'ref my lot of the telegraph, they're furious that rishi is not conservative enough. so they're trotting off to reform, which, as you say, is now astonishingly four points behind the

conservatives without nigel farage even being at the helm. so that's going to get really, really interesting. so what we've got is a lot of very , very we've got is a lot of very, very disillusioned people. i've said for i think for quite a while, i think unless something drastically changes, going be low changes, going to be a very low turnout general election, because you've got a lot of people who think these parties stand for nothing. yeah. >> that, i mean , i think >> and on that, i mean, i think i'm on the a lot of people feel as though keir starmer is actually lied very people actually lied to the very people who in that office. who put him in that office. the labour membership. who put him in that office. the lablook, embership. who put him in that office. the lablook, eithink hip. who put him in that office. the lablook, eithink battery i think >> look, i think battery i think it's simple to say and it's very simple to say and i think it's very clear, owen jones leaving the labour party after what, since ever he was 15, apparently. >> yeah, exactly. >> yeah, exactly. >> i think it's just indicative of how, rotten the core of the labour party and the labour movement is . if you look at what movement is. if you look at what happenedin movement is. if you look at what happened in rochdale, if you look at what happened , when look at what happened, when i think sir keir starmer was seen to be a strong arming the speaker to, to make sure that got away with that. but that was

him trying to do party management. and i think it's about, it's literally tearing itself apart at the seams. and owen jones leaving is, is the biggest cherry on top. >> yeah. look, matthew, no plan whatsoever when it comes to where you're going to house these illegal immigrants . the these illegal immigrants. the green is completely gone. green agenda is completely gone. you've going you've got rachel reeves going after benefits claimants. that's annoying you annoying a load of people. you know , you've lost the muslim know, you've lost the muslim vote, etc. labour not even in vote, etc. labour is not even in government and it's ready to government yet and it's ready to p0p- government yet and it's ready to popnice government yet and it's ready to pop nice patrick, government yet and it's ready to popnice patrick, but government yet and it's ready to pop nice patrick, but when >> nice try patrick, but when you're owen jones in you're praying, owen jones in age, your arguments age, you know your arguments are somewhat i mean, somewhat flawed. i mean, i joined the labour party at 15, not a million miles away from where and where owen jones did, and i ain't nowhere. where owen jones did, and i ain�*and, nowhere. where owen jones did, and i ain�*and, n know,e. where owen jones did, and i ain�*and, n know, owen said in >> and, you know, owen said in his labour seat said his column, labour seat said it's aversion to electability his column, labour seat said it's toff'sion to electability his column, labour seat said it's off sulks.» electability his column, labour seat said it's off sulks. homeability his column, labour seat said it's off sulks. home alone patron and off sulks. home alone patron saint unelectable he saint of unelectable ideas, he wrote of his own wrote the criticism of his own position. because it is. it's easy for owen sat on a nice fat guardian salary, and searching for clickbait to make him relevant. because, remember, he was, you know, all over the telly when he was spokesperson telly when he was a spokesperson for in public.

forjeremy corbyn in public. >> i have to tell you, i can remember having conversations in the 2017 election, private conversations with owen where he wasn't of jeremy conversations with owen where he wasn't because, of jeremy conversations with owen where he wasn't because, you jeremy conversations with owen where he wasn't because, you know,y conversations with owen where he wasn't because, you know, he corbyn because, you know, he knew audience wanted knew what that audience wanted to hear. >> and actually, at time, >> and actually, at the time, what don't have what we thought, we don't have the of this the luxury. the people of this country have the luxury going. >> lied about. >> jones lied about. >> jones lied about. >> i think, i think i >> i think, i think, i think i think owen, i think no, i think he close to jeremy corbyn, think owen, i think no, i think he he close to jeremy corbyn, think owen, i think no, i think he he wase to jeremy corbyn, think owen, i think no, i think he he was understandingrbyn, think owen, i think no, i think he he was understanding that but he was understanding that jeremy had limited jeremy corbyn had had a limited appeal because, you appeal in private because, you know , most of the british people know, most of the british people don't luxury that owen don't have the luxury that owen jones . what we is a jones has. what we need is a labour government will labour government that will transform his transform britain. he ends his column will column by saying, what will happen you what happen next? i tell you what will a decent will happen next. a decent labour delivering labour government delivering on what people want. labour government delivering on whtlt'll people want. labour government delivering on whtlt'll be people want. labour government delivering on whtlt'll be interestinge want. labour government delivering on whtlt'll be interesting to vant. labour government delivering on whtlt'll be interesting to see. >> it'll be interesting to see whether or not owen jones obviously of obviously refutes any of that stuff, i've tried stuff, alison, i've just tried to out there a few to spell out there a few different ways which different ways in which the labour could easily labour party could quite easily implode if they do win the general is looking general election, as is looking likely . how long do you actually likely. how long do you actually think last, well, think they'll last, well, i think they'll last, well, i think i've written today my telegraph column that i think rishi sunak should go and be replaced by a better leader like

kemi badenoch or suella braverman. and the i braverman. and the reason i think that is because rishi is haemorrhaging votes for the conservatives. and what's happening, patrick is really interesting. seeing all interesting. we're seeing all these by elections. and i were talking earlier . talking about this earlier. labouris talking about this earlier. labour is not really increasing its vote. it's the tory vote that's not coming out. and this is a huge problem. so they're going to get in there. the dangeris going to get in there. the danger is that they will win so many seats that a tory fightback will be really problematic, and that will give starmer a huge war chest and possibly ten years in government, which i think would be disastrous. but i agree. where i agree with you is i think you've got the sort of muslim vote, you've got the george galloway faction, you've got got the got the orange, you've got the corbynista, momentum. corbynista, you've got momentum. they're , they're going to all ekolot, they're going to the net zero lot. they're going to who owns backing by way. backing by the way. >> own isn't going >> who own isn't it's not going to tories. he's going to join the tories. he's going to join the tories. he's going to green. well i mean don't to vote green. well i mean don't worry about that. and miliband your green. your mate's going to vote green. >> the 28 billion absolute >> but the 28 billion absolute pie talk about wind. pie in the sky. talk about wind. i it is really wind and

i mean it is really wind and that's going that's that's going to cause huge because the green huge problems because the green agenda that starmer has championed is going to run headlong into working people's living standards. >> and when, if, when they are in power and the boats are still coming and they've said that they're not going to put people in they're not going in hotels, they're not going to put barges, they're put them on barges, they're not going rwanda , going to fly them to rwanda, they're do anything they're not going to do anything with where are they're not going to do anything with all where are they're not going to do anything with all going where are they're not going to do anything with all going live?ere are they're not going to do anything with all going live?ere agary they all going to live? and gary lineker's they come lineker's house, they come around patrick, we're around yours, patrick, we're going to nationalise it. >> we're going to nationalise christie . christie tower. >> look, it's fair to >> look, i think it's fair to say owen jones is basically say that owen jones is basically a pound shop, george galloway and that's saying something . and that's saying something. >> wish thought of that. >> i wish i'd thought of that. that's line. that's a good line. >> you go. i mean, >> well, there you go. i mean, look, don't look, the bottom line is don't forget labour vote collapsed forget the labour vote collapsed in rochdale. it absolutely. >> we didn't have labour >> we didn't have a labour candidate . candidate. >> well, whose fault was that? >> well, whose fault was that? >> you go. i mean, >> well, there you go. i mean, that itself is story. that itself is a story. >> but said don't >> but having said that, don't forget george galloway is going to be standing in to be standing candidates in really interesting labour constituencies where he's going to of pakistani,

to pull a lot of pakistani, british votes. and i think to end off a really spectacular example of having nothing to contribute, combined with an unbearable haughtiness and smugness, in owen jones's words , smugness, in owen jones's words, he's privately owns quite fun. >> but his public persona is just holier than thou. and it's just, you know, the british people can't afford that luxury of opposition. what we need is a labour that delivers. labour party that delivers. >> is right, though, >> he is right, though, that keir made several keir starmer made several promises to the labour party membership was elected promises to the labour party men he rship was elected promises to the labour party menhe has) was elected promises to the labour party men he has not was elected promises to the labour party men he has not fulfilledas elected promises to the labour party menhe has not fulfilled quite :ted and he has not fulfilled quite a few the country, because few because the country, because the changed. the situation has changed. >> no money >> patrick, there ain't no money left , the country. >> patrick, there ain't no money leftthat'sle country. >> patrick, there ain't no money leftthat's whatintry. >> patrick, there ain't no money leftthat's what the. >> patrick, there ain't no money leftthat's what the labour >> that's what the labour government >> that's what the labour gov mastert >> that's what the labour gov master matthew , a deep seated >> master matthew, a deep seated matter principle. won't >> master matthew, a deep seated matte dad principle. won't >> master matthew, a deep seated matte dad go 1ciple. won't >> master matthew, a deep seated matte dad go private, won't >> master matthew, a deep seated matte dad go private, willon't >> master matthew, a deep seated matte dad go private, will you? make dad go private, will you? oh, we're going to use more private . private. >> absolutely. what he said in that clip is we won't make dad go private because an go private because he wants an nhs delivers families nhs that delivers for families across britain. and if that means utilising private capacity for the nhs patients, we've always been in favour of that. we've been favour of that in we've been in favour of that in government and we did deliver that and that's that in government. and that's why labour why waiting lists, when labour left their lowest left power, were at their lowest for generations, now they're

for generations, and now they're at the highest. and it's why we need government and need a labour government and why people should back people like owen should get back on and off on the doorstep and get off social media it less social media and make it less about more about the about them and more about the british feel like, british people feel like, matthew, have matthew, we're going to have this huge, potentially huge labour landslide, lot labour landslide, which a lot of the stayed home the british people stayed home and want to vote for. and didn't want to vote for. >> to a very, very >> it's going to be a very, very unusual. is not 1997. no, unusual. this is not 1997. no, not and expectation. not the hope and expectation. there . i hair tony. there was. i had hair then tony. yeah, well still still yeah, yeah. well it still still smart. but look there's not going it's not like gordon brown tony blair. it's not a brilliant it's not a cabinet of brilliant people. >> well i think there's great people i have said to me people i think have said to me that them not that some of them are not they're think they're not. look, i think i think it's a mix obviously it's a, bag. but you a, it's a mixed bag. but you know, reeves i think it's know, rachel reeves i think it's going be excellent going to be excellent as chancellor going to be excellent as chanc to or going to be excellent as chanc to deliver change going to be excellent as chancto deliver change and going to deliver change and reform service reform in the health service to get waiting lists down. get those waiting lists down. no, not privatisation. using private capacity to deliver for nhs patients is that's not privatisation. >> i think it rachel you >> i think it rachel reeves you have and copy a shadow have a cut and copy a shadow chancellor wes streeting. i chancellor and wes streeting. i mean is that answer mean really is that your answer to health service to the national health service reform? , come on. reform? i mean, come on. >> because where's he's talking about the tories failed

about the tories have failed on it. still going to have all about the tories have failed on it. the still going to have all about the tories have failed on it. the samell going to have all about the tories have failed on it. the same problems» have all about the tories have failed on it. the same problems thate all about the tories have failed on it. the same problems that we've of the same problems that we've got wonder got now. and i just wonder whether labour will rip whether or not labour will rip itself anyway, still itself apart. but anyway, still to these to come, remember these pro—palestine defacing pro—palestine plonkers defacing historic artwork at the home of the balfour? the the earl of balfour? well, the earl himself! there we go. joins me live shortly to demand government action against the yobbos who desecrated his ancestors memory. but up next, it's our head to head now. work and pensions secretary mel stride reckons that mental health far. health culture has gone too far. normal anxieties of life, he says, are being passed off as a mental illness . so look, our mental illness. so look, our young people, just too weak to deal with. life therapist sally baker and businessman charlie mullins . they lock horns on that mullins. they lock horns on that in just a tickets patrick christys tonight we're on

gb news. welcome back. now, the earl of balfour reacts to woke palestine protesters who vandalised portraits of his great great uncle shortly. but time now for our head to head . the work and our head to head. the work and pensions secretary has sparked fierce debate after saying that britain's approach to mental health is in danger of having gone too far, and that the normal anxieties of life are being labelled as a mental illness. mel stride suggested an increased public focus on opening up about mental struggles had led to people self—diagnosing themselves and signing off work too easily. he

made the comments amid the ballooning welfare bill, which is set to hit £100 billion this yean is set to hit £100 billion this year, mostly fuelled by young people on long term sickness with mental health conditions. well, labour mp alison mcgovern reacted to his comments this morning. >> what needs to be addressed is to make sure that we have good work in this country that supports people's good mental health, so need plan health, so we need labour's plan to support our health service, including mental health support , including mental health support, with 8500 extra mental health workers. so that we can improve that quality of service for people. that's labour's plan . people. that's labour's plan. >> well, look. nhs figures show that 8.6 million people received prescriptions for antidepressant in the year just prescriptions for antidepressant in the yearjust gone. that's in the year just gone. that's a rise of 200,000 patients in just one year. it's a lot, isn't it? meanwhile more than half a million young people aged between 16 and 34 are off work due to long term illness. that is an increase of 44% in just four years. so what do you

think? everyone's got a view on this. are young people too weak to deal with real life ? let me to deal with real life? let me know your thoughts. email me gb views at gb news. com tweet me at gb while you're there, at gb news. while you're there, go in our poll. the go and vote in our poll. the results shortly, but results will follow shortly, but doing now is tv doing battle on this now is tv therapist baker and therapist sally baker and founder of pimlico plumbers. it's both of it's charlie mullins, both of you.thank it's charlie mullins, both of you. thank you very much. great to both on the show . to have you both on the show. and, charlie, i'll start with you. people too weak to you. a young people too weak to deal with life, you think? >> yeah. well, it's obviously there is an issue here because there is an issue here because the minister has noticed the issue and he wants to get 150 back into the workplace . back into the workplace. >> and i think we're at a stage where, you know, somebody goes to the doctor and convinces the doctor they a mental doctor that they have a mental health issue where years ago that you wouldn't dare sort of even think of, that the doctor would tell you the problem would tell you what the problem is. i just think they see it is. and i just think they see it as weakness now instead the as a weakness now instead of the bad back if being bad back problem. if i'm being honest you know, it's just honest and, you know, it's just easy to i mean, there are a lot of them are getting signed off long tum sickness now, so

they're blaming the covid. they're blaming, you know, not coming their house. i'm coming out of their house. i'm not there's not issues not saying there's not issues there, easy to walk there, but it's so easy to walk into the doctors and tell them you have a mental health problem. >> sally , is that true? tv >> sally, is that true? tv therapist i mean, it therapist sally baker i mean, it does seem as though there's an astonishing number of young people off with a mental people who are off with a mental health problem. know, we health problem. you know, we didn't the blitz didn't have that in the blitz generation, go on. generation, did we? go on. >> might have had >> well, we might have had it in the blitz generation, but certainly spoke it. certainly no one spoke about it. and idea that just and the whole idea that just because more discussion because we have more discussion about means that about mental health means that everyone is in a better position is because there's no services. >> so, you know, one's mental health is dependent on environment, circumstances and a broader picture. so if this generation is struggling with their mental health, here we are. it's more fallout from covid. it's more fallout from the social contract of people believing if they work hard, they'll get on has been broken. young people are coming out of university now with immense debts, doctors, junior doctors coming out with debts,

coming out with huge debts, starting on £14,000 a year. the social contract is broken. instead of being aspirational, our young people incredibly depressed and anxious, and they also see their parents anxious and depressed . and depressed. >> okay, look, charlie, you've employed people of numerous different generations. how have the youngest generation compared to us? some people maybe with absolute respect, your generation . yeah. generation. yeah. >> well, look, i don't i never used to get anybody, you know, over about 25. come in. say they've got mental health problems and it was only a very few. anyhow i mean, it's escalated in the last couple of years and i say i'm, i'm going to disagree with sally. of course there's issues out there, but they know it's a way of getting signed term getting signed off. long term sickness . and you know, it's sickness. and you know, it's obviously if the minister's attacking but you're attacking it now, but you're saying, no, sally. but the minister there's an issue minister says there's an issue with mental health. sorry. >> how it being on the >> how great is it being on the dole on, on 70, £80 a week or even less if you're still living at home and you're look, you're

talking rubbish. >> let charlie finish and then i'll come back to you. >> sally, £70 a week. you're talking nonsense there because you've got other benefits that people are getting. got people are getting. you've got their them their parents are giving them money. so just, know, look money. so just, you know, look it's about the money, it's it's not about the money, it's about they do not want to go and work them. and have work many of them. and we have to face the fact that we now have generation of lazy people have a generation of lazy people and a lot that is due to the and a lot of that is due to the covid stroke. seeing their parents at home all day. i mean, why anybody never say we do why does anybody never say we do have a lot people out have a lot of lazy people out there and that's what we've got. >> all right. sally, i mean, is there some truth that? there not some truth to that? a lot younger are lot of younger people are just throwing they throwing their hands up. they don't want to deal with some of the issues being confronted by them, thought, the issues being confronted by them, i thought, the issues being confronted by them,i will thought, the issues being confronted by them,i will take thought, the issues being confronted by them,i will take the thought, the issues being confronted by them,i will take the easy)ught, yeah, i will take the easy opfion yeah, i will take the easy option sell option out. i'll sell my backside generation after generation, the way time. >> in memoriam . young people >> in memoriam. young people have started their lives through the avenue of work, and it's given them possibilities . now given them possibilities. now young people realise they can never get their own house. they can never not even rent a room

in shared in a shared house. >> you know sally . >> but you can know sally. >> but you can know sally. >> yeah, but you know, sally, you your own house. you can't buy your own house. sorry. why would you say about houses couldn't buy own houses you couldn't buy your own houses you couldn't buy your own house years ago? that's house years ago? so that's nonsense. everyday nonsense. it's just everyday life is out there. >> people did manage it. it's impossible now. it's impossible now for young people. >> that got to do with going to work. >> then the social contract whereby you go to work and whereby if you go to work and you work really hard, you will achieve things. you'll achieve, you'll achieve independence and you'll achieve independence and you'll . why you'll make your own way. why isn't happening anymore? >> but what about personal sally? i'll stick with you. just one step, charlie. one step. charlie, i just want to ask sir, what about pride, what about personal pride, though? might be out though? because it might be out of for it might be out of of reach for it might be out of reach for lot of people to get reach for a lot of people to get a house. disputing that a house. i'm not disputing that in a lot of places. and a house. i'm not disputing that in that. a lot of places. and a house. i'm not disputing that in that. we'veif places. and a house. i'm not disputing that in that. we've builtces. and a house. i'm not disputing that in that. we've built society! i get that. we've built society around that home around the idea that home ownership thing, ownership is a good thing, right? that. right? i'm not disputing that. but sitting but but, but sitting on your backside giving backside every day and giving up is going anything for is not going to do anything for your is it, sally? >> no it's not. and that's what the majority do. don't the majority of people do. don't do. try. they do. but do. people do try. they do. but the are stacked against

the odds are stacked against them. university the odds are stacked against thenwith university the odds are stacked against thenwith huge university the odds are stacked against thenwith huge amountsiversity the odds are stacked against thenwith huge amountsive debt , now with huge amounts of debt, most during covid most of them were during covid when uni, didn't most of them were during covid when have uni, didn't most of them were during covid when have tutorials jni, didn't most of them were during covid when have tutorials or, didn't most of them were during covid when have tutorials or lectures. even have tutorials or lectures. you know, whole has you know, the whole deal has broken down and we need to put services back in. it's not about discussing mental health, it's not about . it's about supporting people. >> sally, i know sally, when they went to university, they knew what it was going to cost them. >> and you say they were in debt, but most of them don't pay it back anyhow. you know, debt, but most of them don't pay it back in,yhow. you know, debt, but most of them don't pay it back in, butv. you know, debt, but most of them don't pay it back in, but they're u know, debt, but most of them don't pay it back in, but they're not|ow, they're in, but they're not going pay it back. going to pay it back. >> interest rates have gone up on they start paying it on debts. they start paying it back as soon as they earn over 25,000. know, you can't live 25,000. you know, you can't live in major cities. >> they don't want to pay it back. mean, how back. i mean, sally, how many people employ? people do you employ? >> anybody. that's >> well, anybody. that's not a life. young people are aspirational want aspirational and they want to make mark in the world and make their mark in the world and the odds are stacked against them. ask? them. can i can i ask? >> yeah. right. could i ask, >> yeah. all right. could i ask, are aspirational ? are young people aspirational? want to their way in the want to make their way in the world? million young want to make their way in the world? aged million young want to make their way in the world? aged between young want to make their way in the world? aged between 16ung want to make their way in the world? aged between 16 and 34 people aged between 16 and 34 say that off due to say that they're off work due to long term illness. that's 44% up

in just four years. >> sally society has failed them, patrick. society has failed them . this is the first failed them. this is the first generation, their parents who won't , secure financial wealth won't, secure financial wealth more than their parents. this is a generation that's been failed andifs a generation that's been failed and it's showing up, showing up in their mental health. >> go on charlie, final word. >> go on charlie, final word. >> yeah. there's been problems for years. people have gone through wars. people have gone through wars. people have gone through recessions . people have through recessions. people have gone having labour in in gone through having labour in in the 70s where there was so much unemployment. look, if they want to need to out to work, they need to get out and work . obviously, the and go to work. obviously, the people, the people . sally, people, the people. sally, sally, hold on. just take a breath . there's obviously people breath. there's obviously people that, that that are genuinely got mental welfare issues, disabilities and caring for people . and we should be giving people. and we should be giving them more. but the problem we have, we've got lots of youngsters that are milking the system and not instead of putting in the pot that that

they're taking out. why do you think the minister has brought it up? do you think he's got it wrong? >> all right, all right. >> all right, all right. >> look, just i'll just say i'm just to give the final just going to give the final word to sally on this. i'm going to done a lot to say, look, i've done a lot genuinely. not seem genuinely. it might not seem like the like it necessarily, given the tone of this discussion this evening, but i've done a lot with news and with the gb news viewers and listeners raised of a lot listeners raised a heck of a lot of money for mine, the mental health so aware health charity. so i am aware that the that it exists. obviously, the mental crisis, especially mental health crisis, especially a lot of young men especially, are lives, are taking their own lives, unfortunately, through things like but do you think like that. but but do you think do you think it's easy now , do you think it's too easy now, sally, for people to play the mental health card at times ? yeah. >> no, i don't believe it's too easy to play the mental health card . and also all wait on card. and also they all wait on average 2 to 2 and a half years to see a mental health professional. i mean, they may they might triage, then they might get triage, but then they're long list . they're on a really long list. and they to see and when they get to see someone, 6 to 8 someone, they'll have 6 to 8 sessions . and then sessions of cbt. and then they're thrown back to they're thrown back off to the bottom the again . they bottom of the list again. they need, know, real, real need, you know, real, real return work focused support. return to work focused support. and it can be done . this is a

and it can be done. this is a failure of society not to encompass and embrace our young and give them the best chances that they need. >> all right. both of you, thank you much. it was proper you very much. it was a proper head so good stuff. head to head. so good stuff. thank thank you, thank you. thank you, thank you, thank you. right. let's see what right. okay. so let's see what the comments are saying. who do you with? our young you agree with? our young people. too weak to deal with life. christine says very few people enjoy going to work, but some have pride and do some of us have pride and do jobs we hate so we can pay our bills. long covid and mental health are being used by the terminally lazy. paul on x says no . most of them are fine no. most of them are fine working hard in part time jobs or minimum wage jobs that barely cover the bills, peter says time for a good old fashioned kick up the backside. well, there we go. your is in, oh, 92% of your verdict is in, oh, 92% of you think that young people are too weak to deal with life. 8% of you disagree with that. coming up. reform uk enjoyed their highest polling ever and they are now just four points behind the tory party. are they

the leading voice for the right? no nonsense former tory minister ann widdecombe is live on that shortly. plus is shortly. plus this is interesting one britain's plunging birth rate that will leave us all relying. get this, they say we will be relying on mass immigration until the year 2100. but next, his home and historic portraits of his ancestors were wrecked by pro—palestine yobs from cambridge. but now the earl of balfour, whose grandfather wrote the balfour declaration , is the balfour declaration, is demanding justice. he's live. he's next. it's patrick christys . tonight we're on

gb news. welcome back to patrick christys. tonight we're on gb news now. coming up, our reform uk. now the leading voice of the right. but first, the absolute state of this woke entitlement. well, pro—palestine protesters irreparably damaged a portrait of the former prime minister, lord balfour. they spray painted and slashed the painting that hungin and slashed the painting that hung in the university of cambridge's trinity college. the incident sparked widespread outrage, with former immigration minister slamming minister robert jenrick slamming the perpetrators. he said this vandal should be in a cell facing prison when these acts go unpunished , more are emboldened unpunished, more are emboldened and instead of regret from trinity college, how about condemning it? our institutions need to stop kowtowing to those who hate our country. well, that was of course, the views of robert jenrick. there now. lord

balfour was the uk's prime minister from 1902 to 1905, and the chief architect of the balfour declaration, which gave british the creation british backing to the creation of a jewish homeland in palestine. i'm joined now. i'm very grateful to be joined now by lord balfour's great great nephew, the earl of balfour. look, thank you very, very much. tremendous to have you on the show. now when you see acts of essentially criminal damage really taking place to a portrait of your great great uncle, what do you feel about that? what should be done about it? you think causes it? it? what do you think causes it? >> well, patrick, i mean, clearly emotions are running very high at the moment. you know, in over gaza, i don't understand all the protests. i'm, i'm, i'm puzzled that there are no protests saying, release the hostages and have a ceasefire. the hostages are never mentioned. and i think that the problem that i identify is particularly that perpetrator of the vandalism . she was she or

of the vandalism. she was she or he was quoted as saying that this was because arthur balfour had stolen palestine, the holy land, if you like, which he had no right to do, which, of course is complete rubbish , and i'd is complete rubbish, and i'd really like to focus on the fact that i feel so many of these protesters are hearing something from somewhere which they're just not educated in the matter . just not educated in the matter. and it's quite interesting when i've been travelling the world in business everywhere almost, i go in the world, people talk to me about the balfour declaration and the great emancipation that it meant for the jews and the solution to a major refugee problem exacerbated by the holocaust. and now people are talking in this way as though we stole the british, stole palestine. and i'm just very struck. i just think there's a huge ignorance and in the uk, there's enormous ignorance about there's enormous ignorance about the balfour declaration and what was behind it, i mean, it's

extraordinary, patrick, today that the parallels with that era are extraordinary. it was an immigration problem . you had you immigration problem. you had you had the pogroms and the shtetls being cleared out in, in, in russia and belarus. i think my historians will shoot me down. but, i think i'm right in saying that in 1890 there were estimated to be 60,000 jews in britain , by 1905 there were britain, by 1905 there were 160,000. and remember, these people who came over looking very strange speaking only yiddish, arriving on our shores . yiddish, arriving on our shores. and by the time of the great war, it was 300,000. so you had this thing, and then there was the whole idea. let's send them to uganda for uganda. read rwanda, you know. >> yeah, yeah . >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> so that all met with, with opposition and things . so it is opposition and things. so it is education. yeah. >> education. can i ask you how

do you know arrests have been made for that individual there who took a stanley knife to that portrait ? i who took a stanley knife to that portrait? i find who took a stanley knife to that portrait ? i find that who took a stanley knife to that portrait? i find that hard. well, you know, well , i sort of well, you know, well, i sort of have done a bit of rootling around on this, and i gather that they were very clever and shot into the place and did this very quickly, as you can see, and even the accomplice who did took the video , pretended that took the video, pretended that they were just somebody else who was a bystander. >> and i think, you know, as usual, probably hooded, wearing hoodies and nobody has any idea who they were because they can post it, post the video on social media anonymously. post it, post the video on social media anonymously . you social media anonymously. you know, this again, gives everybody cover. but i think that, you know, i hope that what they've done is backfired because, you know, whatever you feel about things there is no excuse to go around vandalising. yeah you know, wonderful pictures and things . pictures and things. >> yeah. and the university itself didn't exactly come out

all guns blazing condemning this action. did they know that was really my you know, i wrote a letter to one of the papers, and i said i was almost more shocked by cambridge's reaction, so supine reaction, i think i called it, you know, say and it was the this we have help available for anybody who's been distressed by this in the college. i mean hello, they say let's get plod after these guys. yeah, yeah, we'll track them down. but i mean , that's just down. but i mean, that's just symptomatic of so much that's going on in society here today. i mean, i'll tell you one thing. i mean, i'll tell you one thing. i mean, i'll tell you one thing. i mean, my children, my family worry greatly about a lot of this. and they said, dad, you know, are you sure you're wise to go on and be interviewed this evening ? because aren't you evening? because aren't you worried somebody may come after you? well, i mean, what sort of society are we living in where, you know , free speech is fine you know, free speech is fine for some people, but not for others or explaining something or somebody will say, i'm doing

fake speech and fake history about arthur balfour. you know, it's we've got to fight this . it's we've got to fight this. we've got to fight. >> why do you think it's so important to fight it ? important to fight it? >> well, because otherwise we're just be overrun by, just going to be overrun by, those who are on a one track mind and want to preach destruction to everybody else around them , apart from their around them, apart from their own sect. >> i mean, i was very struck by, i don't know if you've read the book by the go—between , by, book by the go—between, by, osman yousefzada . okay. osman yousefzada. okay. >> no, it's about the i know what i'm doing when i get home, but yeah. go on. >> it's fascinating. it's about the upbringing in, in, either west yorkshire or east lancashire of, of a pakistani boy, a boy of pakistani origin, anyway. and what went on in his education and how the, the education and how the, the education was very, very single minded in terms of the quran and what individual mullahs told

them. and you didn't get the impression that was anything in his education that was of a wider education about the uk and other values and everything. >> so people take taking a very narrow view, an uneducated view that then leads them towards some form of militant or extreme action. i think that's something that many people i know. i certainly do. loads of our viewers and listeners do feel very, concerned about. i'm very, very concerned about. i'm just something just going to read something out here master trinity here from the master of trinity college's who college's dame sally davies, who said, i'm shocked by the attack on our college, on our painting. i condemn this act of vandalism. we with we are cooperating with the police perpetrators police to bring the perpetrators to justice. obviously, as to justice. well, obviously, as we been very we just said, there's been very little action on that, hasn't there? spokesperson there? the spokesperson for cambridge police said we received online report of received an online report of criminal at criminal damage to a painting at trinity cambridge. trinity college in cambridge. officers scene to officers attended the scene to secure and progress the secure evidence and progress the investigation . yeah, here we go. investigation. yeah, here we go. no arrests have been at no arrests have been made at this now i'm quite keen this stage. now i'm quite keen to get your view this because to get your view on this because it's same same but it's kind of same same but different. this really. so elsewhere, different. this really. so

else students barricaded uni students have barricaded themselves university themselves into a university building. they were insisting that they won't leave until the institution ends its complicity institution ends its complicity in genocide. luckily for us, they have been providing daily updates of their escapades on social media. let's see how they're getting on today. >> today marks two weeks since the start of our occupation. >> it's day 14 of us camping out since the start of our occupation , about 1552 occupation, about 1552 palestinians been killed , palestinians have been killed, which is about half the number of engineering undergrads at this university . free. free this university. free. free palestine . palestine. >> do you worry a bit about the younger generation when you see stuff like that? do you think i was in paris for the 1968 riots, which were led by the students and, you know, these these things flare up every now and then, and there's a what the french call a cause celebre that people gravitate to, and it usually goes away when people have the realities of life come upon them. >> i'm slightly puzzled by this in the sense that, not quite

sure what par they have a over bristol university. i don't know whether they're talking about their investments in arms companies. i don't know, you know, it's i think it's very much that, that age when you're, you do have, you know, very strong beliefs or there's part of a group think and you don't not be part of it. >> can i ask you a question? we're going to be very quick with this, i'm afraid. what would your great uncle would your great great uncle make he's seeing now, make of what he's seeing now, today, the today, do you think on the streets and people the streets and people slashing the painting and all of that? >> he'd >> well, i think he'd be absolutely amazed. i mean, i think continue think that the reason i continue to involved in this and get, to be involved in this and get, get, interviewed is that, get, get interviewed is that, you know, he was a great one, along with lloyd george, about the three abrahamic faiths, christianity , mohammedanism and christianity, mohammedanism and judaism coexisting in the holy land, which has been the holy land, which has been the holy land for all three of them for thousands of years . and he would thousands of years. and he would be aghast and remembered the central tenet of the balfour

declaration. you know, it being understood that there will be nothing prejudicial towards the rights of religious blah, blah, blah of whatever. and i think he'd be aghast. but he but equally he would the holocaust would have completely shocked him, and he would never have guessed that a declaration over 700,000 people was now 12 million. >> okay. thank you very, very much for your time this evening. much appreciated. thank you very much for coming into the studio as well, fantastic. thank you, thank you, thank you. right, coming up in my 10 pm. monologue. look, forget gary lineker rules. we lineker flouting bbc rules. we found , bbc presenter found his protege, bbc presenter nihal arthanayake. his bias is exposed in its full glory. >> you know what the bad news is for you personally? >> coming from where you come from, it just happens to be rishi sunak . rishi sunak. >> but next we need to start having more babies. apparently britain's plunging birthrate means we'll be relying on immigration until 2100 and reform uk enjoy their highest

ever polling. we've got ann widdecombe on. she'll be live in just a tick.

welcome back to patrick christys. tonight on gb news. coming up, what appears to be outrageous bias from a bbc star presenter . outrageous bias from a bbc star presenter. and it's not gary lineker, but first, astonishing new polling has exposed just how badly the tories could fare at the next election . the party's the next election. the party's vote share is falling to the same level as the lowest point under liz truss. meanwhile, reform have surged to a whopping 15% in the polls, their highest score today, just four points now behind the conservatives. no wonder keir starmer, then, is demanding sunak goes to the polls . polls. >> violent prisoners released early because the tories wrecked the criminal justice system. 3500 small boat arrivals already this year because the tories lost control of the borders, the nhs struggling to see people because the tories broke it . why

because the tories broke it. why is the prime minister so scared to call an election? >> all right. i'm joined now by ann widdecombe. ann, thank you very much. look, first things first, ann, what do you make of this on 15, four points this reform on 15, four points behind tories. behind the tories. >> yes. >> yes. >> and as also as a matter of detail, in areas of the north, they've actually gone ahead of they've actually gone ahead of the tories already. now, that doesn't apply to the whole country. but i that what country. but i think that what what show is that what that does show is that they're essentially, as they become known and as become better known and as people learn about who they are and what they for, stand reform, is appealing to, basic common sense, whether that is in the working men's clubs of the north, or whether it is in, you know , even these days, in london know, even these days, in london where, you know , you think, where, you know, you think, well, it was all labour, so, yeah , we're we're coming on and yeah, we're we're coming on and we're doing well , and all we've

we're doing well, and all we've got to do is sustain it. that's all we've got to do is sustain this. at this time last year, we were just a few percent . now were just a few percent. now we're 15% in this were just a few percent. now we're15% in this poll. were just a few percent. now we're 15% in this poll. we've been 14, 13% in other polls. it is a genuine trend. >> and that is without nigel officially coming back, leading the party in as well. i do wonder what kind of impact that might have if he does it. >> oh yeah. i mean, if nigel comes back and leads a reform as l, comes back and leads a reform as i, or if he comes back and takes a major part in campaigning for reform, if he does that, in a couple of months before the next general election. i mean, i think at that point we just storm ahead because he is much loved in the red wall, and people trust him simply because he always says it as it is. he doesn't sort of hedge about and, you know, try and present be all things to all men as the last thing. >> he is not obviously, the great unknown of all of this is if this translates into actual votes, time will tell. but there

we go. now, very keen to get we go. and now, very keen to get your this. shocking your views on this. a shocking new that new study has found that britain's rate britain's plummeting birth rate will us heavily, relying will leave us heavily, relying on immigration maintain on immigration to maintain pubuc on immigration to maintain public services until 2100. a senior tory miriam cates says it's one of the great threats to western nations. what do you think of it? >> well, for a start, we've been for told a very long time now that there are too many people on earth. you know, and we were told also , particularly in the told also, particularly in the 19705, told also, particularly in the 1970s, that we were going to enter period where there enter this period where there wouldn't be enough employment because people would much because people would have much more time, and, more leisure time, and, you know, these predictions more leisure time, and, you know, so these predictions more leisure time, and, you know, so ithese predictions more leisure time, and, you know, so i wouldredictions more leisure time, and, you know, so i would taketions more leisure time, and, you know, so i would take with made so i would take with a pinch of salt, 2100 because we don't know what's going to have happened by then. you think how fast the world has moved. that's that side of it. but if you actually look at what's been going on, i mean, since over the last 50 over the last 50 last 50 years, over the last 50 years, we've lost 11 million out of the workforce to abortion people who would now be living

and be in the workforce are people are choosing to have smaller families. that's undeniably , having an impact. undeniably, having an impact. and women are having children much later , which means that the much later, which means that the old pattern of having a couple and then maybe a gap and another couple simply doesn't happen anymore. >> it just seems to me like it's only we're only reliant on immigration if we choose to be, if we choose to look at the world that way and we choose to look at our gdp that way, if we prioritise other things, then we wouldn't be so reliant on immigration. i wonder at immigration. and i wonder at what the desecration of what cost are the desecration of our culture and way our actual culture and our way of gonna to be of life? we're gonna have to be quick. i'll very quick on >> yes. i'll be very quick on this you just look at this one, if you just look at our education policy, we're trying to make everybody a graduate , you know, who will graduate, you know, who will then look for graduate style jobs , we've vastly expanded jobs, we've vastly expanded higher education beyond all practical application, and we just need to take another long look at our policy of skills and higher education. >> yeah. and look, you're a magnificent as ever. thank you

very, very much. former conservative minister. and widdecombe coming up. is the bbc ever going to bother enforcing its presenter impartiality rules 7 its presenter impartiality rules ? i exposed alleged bias from bbc radio five live presenter nihal arthanayake in its full glory. but first it's your weather with alex deakin . weather with alex deakin. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, sponsors of weather on gb news. >> welcome to your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. good evening to you. tomorrow we'll feel colder for all of us. a bit of a damp start in the south and then a mixture of sunshine and showers. low pressure is dominating but it's actually sitting up by iceland. these sitting up by iceland. but these weather fronts draped across the uk, one particular uk, this one in particular is doing a couple of things bringing cloud and rain, but also introducing the cold, colder air. the rain will trickle southwards this trickle southwards through this evening northwest england evening across northwest england and wales. a fairly soggy evening and that rain spreading

into the midlands and southwest england by the end of the night, the far southeast staying mostly dry, mild here, dry, staying pretty mild here, but air is arriving but colder air is arriving across a chilly start across the north. a chilly start here and very gusty winds through indeed, through the night. and indeed, for friday, particularly for most of friday, particularly across northern scotland, for most of friday, particularly acrosinto rthern scotland, for most of friday, particularly acrosinto the rn scotland, for most of friday, particularly acrosinto the westotland, for most of friday, particularly acrosinto the west coasti, for most of friday, particularly acrosinto the west coast of also into the west coast of scotland. blustery showers, some snow over the highlands. showers elsewhere for southern scotland, northern ireland a dull, damp morning across the south—east and the rain may linger in kent well into the afternoon, but elsewhere it will brighten up. we'll see some sunny spells, but it will feel colder temperatures only in single figures across the north, maybe or 12 the north, maybe 11 or 12 further quite bit further south. quite a bit chillier been chillier than it has been through week. a cold through this week. a cold feeling the weekend as feeling start to the weekend as well. we may start saturday dry and bright with a cloud. will bubble up and expect showers on saturday. downpours , saturday. some heavy downpours, rumbles of thunder, hail showers possible look at the possible as well and look at the numbers for saturday. after being in the teens for most of this week, single digits for many it going to feel many of us, it is going to feel a chillier . a lot chillier. >> looks things are heating

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gb news. >> it's 10 pm. i'm patrick christys tonight. you know what the bad news is for you personally? >> coming from where you come from, it just happens to be rishi . rishi sunak. >> i expose gary lineker 2.0 at the bbc. >> and indeed, a new approach. one that is tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime. >> does tony blair have more blood on his hands? find out why people are dying behind bars because of his laws. also no dinner in spain for us.

>> thank you. brexit nigel farage, find out why these lads said f you to nigel and. >> you have sent millions in foreign aid to our enemies. i've got tomorrow's newspaper front pages tonight with star telegraph columnist allison pearson. conservative am and mogul and ex—labour advisor matthew laza . and surely she's matthew laza. and surely she's got to pay for two seats and plus size them on a plane. >> of course i have to shimmy down the aisle sideways . down the aisle sideways. >> get ready, britain. here we go. the bbc gets caught out . next. the bbc gets caught out. next. >> good evening. the top story

tonight, the bank of england has held the interest rate at 5.25% for the fifth time in a row today, bank governor andy bailey said the economy wasn't quite yet at the point where rates could be lowered, but said things are moving the right things are moving in the right direction. inflation itself is expected to below 2% by the expected to fall below 2% by the summer, but the bank of england said the conflict in the middle east and disruption to commercial shipping in the red sea it coming back . the sea risked it coming back. the work and pensions secretary is warning that britain's acceptance of a mental health culture has gone too far. speaking as he unveiled plans to get 150,000 people back to work, mel stride said that the benefits bill was being pushed up benefits bill was being pushed ”p by benefits bill was being pushed up by a sharp increase in the number of people who are on long term sickness benefit in an interview with the telegraph newspaper, he suggested an increased public focus on talking about mental health issues had led many people to self—diagnose their own conditions . it comes as the conditions. it comes as the welfare bill for the uk is set to hit £100 billion this year.

number 10 said today it's deaung number 10 said today it's dealing with a migration emergency after a record number of asylum seekers crossed the engush of asylum seekers crossed the english channel yesterday. 514 illegal migrants were kicked up, picked up by border force officials. that's the highest number so far this year. and today, at least another 300 migrants have arrived across the channelin migrants have arrived across the channel in six small boats. the government says it hopes to get its rwanda bill into law by april the 18th. and today the home secretary, james cleverly , home secretary, james cleverly, said he's determined to deliver on the government's pledge to stop the boats. now a paralysed man has appeared to play chess onune man has appeared to play chess online after receiving a brain chip from elon musk's company neuralink , in a video posted neuralink, in a video posted online, shows a patient who has no movement below his shoulders moving a cursor across a laptop screen with nothing but his thoughts . the video shows him thoughts. the video shows him playing chess and turning off

the laptop's music. 29 year old nolan arbo , who was paralysed nolan arbo, who was paralysed after a driving accident, is the first patient to receive the neuralink chip . and lastly, sir neuralink chip. and lastly, sir keir starmer has joined the growing backlash against the football association and nike for changing the saint george's flag on the new england football kit. in an interview with the sun , nike and england have sun, nike and england have ditched the traditional red and white cross on the collar and replaced it with navy blue and purple stripes, a move which lee anderson also criticised. yesterday, us manufacturer nike insisted they've called the playful update and said it was meant to unite and inspire fans for this year's euros. but the labour leader says the original colours are unifying and called the saint george symbol something to be proud of. for the latest stories, sign up for gb news alerts. scan the qr code on your screen or go to

gbnews.com/alerts . gbnews.com/alerts. >> welcome along! the bbc is letting gary lineker. 2.0 go unpunished. nihal arthanayake stands accused of breaching the bbc's impartiality guidelines and their social media code with relentlessly biased left wing and offensive content. now you might remember nihal. and offensive content. now you might remember nihal . he's the might remember nihal. he's the guy who said that working in an overwhelmingly white workplace was bad for his mental health, that i think was racist. the bbc let him off. the bbc has clear social media guidelines about how staff should behave online, treat others with respect even in the face of abuse. do not use offensive or aggressive language and do conduct yourself with courtesy. don't attack individuals even when you disagree with their views. don't criticise your colleagues in public. respect the privacy of the workplace. don't be drawn into ill tempered exchanges . in into ill tempered exchanges. in fact, this was backed up by the

bbc director—general yesterday who said to be kind and caring in this and listen to people and be nice . okay, so when he called be nice. okay, so when he called the host of the trigonometry podcast, konstantin kissing a talentless grifter and goes after members of the public who disagree with his point of view, is he breaking those guidelines ? is he breaking those guidelines? the bbc guidelines for presenters were very clear. our audiences should not be able to tell from bbc output the personal opinions of our journalists or news and current affairs presenters on matters of pubuc affairs presenters on matters of public policy, political or industrial controversy or on controversial subjects in other areas. they may not express personal views on such matters publicly, including in any bbc branded output or on personal blogs and social media. okay, well, nihal appears to have taken a side in the israel—gaza conflict shock, horror that side does not appear to be israel. he does not appear to be israel. he does seem too bothered about hiding his personal views on

brexit. taking back control, he sarcastically tweeted he's quite clever with his wording, but we all know what that means, don't we? can someone please send me a link to a fact based narrative on how the uk has benefited from brexit? a counter to this piece, icannot brexit? a counter to this piece, i cannot find one. look it's pretty obvious what he's getting at there, isn't it? he appears to going into bat for the to be going into bat for the labour next, throwing labour party next, throwing shade over tory chancellor jeremy hunt and liz truss, he said a bit rich, the chancellor saying that the leader of the opposition support for jeremy corbyn when he was leader would have crashed economy . have crashed the economy. considering what former pm liz truss , he seems obsessed truss did, he seems obsessed with liz anderson to the point where he retweeted gary lineker poking fun at lee, essentially saying he'll lose his seat saying that he'll lose his seat at the next election is that impartial? maybe it is. that doesn't appear to be much of a focus on left wing politicians. certainly not in his recent twitter history. he just can't stop slamming gb news and our

viewers and listeners. and he's even banging on about what must our annual gb news presenters dinner look like. well, anyhow, much better than this, mate. okay, there he is, having dinner with james o'brien and emily maitlis. siri, show me hell on earth . i'm sure he'd say. well, earth. i'm sure he'd say. well, the company you keep doesn't necessarily define your political views and the apparent anti—brexit, anti—tory questionably abusive stuff he puts on social media doesn't bleed over into his actual on air output . well, today he had air output. well, today he had the hard left so—called comedian nish kumar on his show apparently introduced him by saying that his kids call him uncle. well, there we go . i'm uncle. well, there we go. i'm assuming that they get on rather well then, though, don't they? the nish kumar that made the same nish kumar that made such comments about such offensive comments about brexit that he was booed off stage at a charity gig. now you want me to leave? >> i'm not going to do it. absolutely not. absolutely . not.

absolutely not. absolutely. not. >> anyway, it sounds to me like he was openly joking about his own political bias during today's broadcast . today's broadcast. >> now, good news, bad news. >> now, good news, bad news. >> nish. good news as a symbol of an evolving british society. one that is more accepting of people from ethnic minorities. there is an asian prime minister i think you know what the bad news is for you personally, coming from where you come from, it just happens to be rishi sunak. yeah. so how did you deal with this good news, bad news moment in your life if i of course have no opinion on it. but in your life. >> yes. >> yes. >> you of course remain resolutely impartial in all things , in all things. resolutely impartial in all things , in all things . i mean, things, in all things. i mean, that sounds a lot like he might be mocking the impartiality guidelines, doesn't he? does anyone the impression that anyone get the impression that he he's untouchable? can he thinks he's untouchable? can i repeat some the i just repeat some of the bbc guidelines all right, so guidelines here? all right, so our audiences should not be able to from output the

to tell from bbc output the personal opinions our personal opinions of our journalists current journalists or news and current affairs on matters of affairs presenters on matters of pubuc affairs presenters on matters of public political public policy, political industrial controversy or on controversial subjects. do not use offensive or aggressive language. do not conduct yourself sorry. do conduct yourself sorry. do conduct yourself with courtesy. don't attack individuals even when you disagree with their views. look, we know what his views are, don't obvious . and he don't we? it's obvious. and he has individuals, hasn't has attacked individuals, hasn't he ? i mean, we've gone to the he? i mean, we've gone to the bbc and nihal personally, who i'm sure denies breaching any of the guidelines and we are yet to hear back. let's get the thoughts of my panel tonight is daily telegraph columnist allison pearson . we have got the allison pearson. we have got the founding chairman of global britain uk , amber gill, and britain uk, amber gill, and former labour party adviser . former labour party adviser. it's matthew laza allison . do it's matthew laza allison. do you think that the bbc should be acting on people like this or not so much? >> yeah, i think they should take him off air. i mean, listen to the way they were mocking the impartiality just then. i'm not sure nihal twigged that sure if nihal has twigged that a

lot white people pay the lot of white people pay the licence fee. they his salary licence fee. they pay his salary , he's dripping with contempt for ordinary people the way he refers to gb news viewers. gb oh, this people really need to watch this series on empire because obviously they're so thick and racist . because obviously they're so thick and racist. he's throwing around insinuations that people are racist. let me tell you something, patrick. not only is gb news a very diverse channel, as everybody watching will know, this channel has diversity of class, social class, the people on the bbc who of whom he's a part. they don't have diversity of social class, which is why contemptuous , condescending contemptuous, condescending views like that are allowed on the air at the bbc, and why the bbc is losing audience share by the week. >> okay, i mean your views when you see people, which i would argue all right, quite clever with the wording of some of his tweets and, you know, slapping the old question there the old question mark there every, again. but, every, every now and again. but, you know what you know, actually we know what his . and i think what his views are. and i think what he's people he's said about white people

could be a bit could well be deemed a bit racist . racist. >> $- y of course it is racist. >> well, of course it is racist. i mean, know, words i mean, you know, those words and those, things absolutely and those, things are absolutely right. doubt about right. there's no doubt about it. but then again, you know, people like nihal, they have form for this. and the bbc continues not just employ continues to not just employ them but bring in more people like mean, look at, for like that. i mean, look at, for example, the new bbc verify service , recently we saw what it service, recently we saw what it was infested with excel, jazeera, people. i mean , that jazeera, people. i mean, that alone i think draws the whole thing into big question, but more so than that , let's not more so than that, let's not forget the bbc brand itself is now so damaged. i mean, there was a time that the bbc brand around the world was so respected and literally taken as gospelin respected and literally taken as gospel in terms of news reporting. but you look around today, around the world, the bbc is no longer a trusted source. something has to change. >> okay, now look, nihal isn't here to defend himself. like i said, we've gone to him for comment. we've gone to bbc for comment. we've gone to bbc for comment. matthew, you know, comment. but matthew, you know, look just think,

look at that. and i just think, well, someone away well, how can someone get away with the bbc? you know, with that on the bbc? you know, the taxpayers this the taxpayers pay for this stuff. they impartiality. stuff. they expect impartiality. is really. is that impartial? really. >> think air as >> well, i think on on air as you heard in the clip, he acknowledged that, you know, he may joking and maybe may have been joking and maybe the wasn't very funny, but may have been joking and maybe tithink wasn't very funny, but may have been joking and maybe tithink he'ssn't very funny, but may have been joking and maybe tithink he's a't very funny, but may have been joking and maybe tithink he's a good( funny, but may have been joking and maybe tithink he's a good( fgood but journalist. >> i think the tweets went too far. i think somebody needs to have him about the have a word with him about the tweets and tell him that he needs by the needs to abide by the guidelines, that guidelines, but i think that he's interesting he's an interesting voice to have and think i'm have on the bbc. and i think i'm a of the bbc. i a big defender of the bbc. i mean, some missteps have been made, of made, but i'm a big defender of the think it's the bbc's role. i think it's essential national essential to our national characteristic character, and i think essential our think it's essential to our national prestige. >> think it's >> and do you think it's balanced of social balanced in terms of social class? you know how class? matthew, do you know how many presenters were many of those presenters were privately actually, yes , >> no, i do actually, yes, because, i mean, i worked there for 14 years and i was i mean, i went to a comprehensive and i was of the minority. so they was one of the minority. so they but have difference. but they have made a difference. and comes and actually nihal show comes from part of a from salford, i was part of a group was about expanding group that was about expanding the, reach people who the, the reach of people who joined. so it wasn't just oxbridge, just oxbridge, it just wasn't just oxbridge, it just wasn't just

oxbridge graduates that oxbridge ppe graduates that entered bbc. was either entered the bbc. it was either if went bbc or the if you went to the bbc or the cabinet seemed to be where you ended you an ended up. if you were an oxbridge graduate. oxbridge ppe graduate. yes the bbc, remember being in bbc, i mean, i remember being in bbc, i mean, i remember being in bbc seminars where people bbc staff seminars where people would about diversity would say about diversity and the their the staff would put their hands up what class and up and say, what about class and background? i agree background? so yeah, i agree with always needs with you. it always needs to think about diversity in the broadest sense. but if we lose the lose huge part of the bbc, we lose a huge part of the bbc, we lose a huge part of the british character. >> i think it's fair to >> look, i think it's fair to say, lot viewers at say, and a lot of viewers at home agree a lot of home will agree that a lot of bbc journalists are actually masquerading as journalists or actually left activists. let's be honest , that's what they are. be honest, that's what they are. they're masquerading as journalists and reporters pushing a certain agenda, and they're getting away with it. okay, fine . he's saying all okay, fine. he's saying all this, well, where's where's the where's the bbc journalists saying the counter. well, i think there isn't one. >> i mean, i mean, to just just to that, he said, to honour that, he said, i thought is of thought this is one of the things said. saw a lack of things he said. i saw a lack of diversity my workplace over diversity in my workplace over a long it affected diversity in my workplace over a long it it affected diversity in my workplace over a long it isolating ffected diversity in my workplace over a long it isolating and ed me and it was isolating and lonely. gb's lonely. yet all these gb's loving types made me to be an anti—white, racist . if a single

anti—white, racist. if a single one of them think i'm going to be quiet, they are even more stupid. now. obviously he's got strong about that. strong feelings about that. i mean, the bbc social media code, i think says that you can't say things like that. >> no you can't, but look what happens as soon as they're let off the leash like emily maitlis leaving the minute they leave the bbc. we see the true colours coming out, don't we? we see that. but as i said, what comes through these tweets is yes, i think he is. it is. i think he is an anti—white racist. matthew. and his contempt for ordinary for ordinary people, contempt for people us now people who are watching us now at home, that is that's really, i think, i think, acceptable. >> i don't think that's acceptable. >> imagine us saying that about, oh, >> imagine us saying that about, 0h, bbc >> imagine us saying that about, oh, bbc viewers, not everybody at the is, is, you know, is at the bbc is, is, you know, is at the bbc is, is, you know, is a wing activist, robbie a left wing activist, robbie gibb, the first gibb, who was one of the first producers and producers that i worked with and i the bbc and he's now on i joined the bbc and he's now on the bbc board of governors, went to you know, may's to be, you know, theresa may's director communications. to be, you know, theresa may's diresor communications. to be, you know, theresa may's direso although,|unications.you do >> so although, you know, you do need a diversity of voices. and when i worked one the when i worked there, one of the good is! when i worked there, one of the good is i worked on good things i did is i worked on a purely political show start

a purely political show to start with, people with, and they recruited people from they from politics and therefore they got people got a balance. they got people from tory from labour background, tory background, even the occasional lib lib dem. >> look now, niall obviously would an anti—white would deny being an anti—white racist allegation was racist as the allegation was there. previously offered there. we had previously offered for come on. the show for niall to come on. the show clearly it . he's clearly doesn't fancy it. he's more than welcome anytime. eamonn there about eamonn your views there about about whether or not actually, you know, the bbc should be taking action against these people, you know, is it kind of gary lineker 2.0, do you think? >> look, think it's >> i mean, look, i think it's fair say we know the bbc is fair to say we know the bbc is not going take any action. it not going to take any action. it really hasn't done anything serious with gary lineker serious with what gary lineker has , has been doing over what, has, has been doing over what, so years now. so many years now. >> so many years now. >> with carol vorderman i >> -- >> well i mean look i think it is to the british people to is up to the british people to start taking action. did fund the bbc. >> that's my pension. >> that's my pension. >> deep under the bbc stopped paying >> deep under the bbc stopped paying the tv licence tax and for goodness sakes criminalising tens of thousands of women sending them to jail. for what? for not paying the salaries of, niall i'll just i'll just.

>> yeah. i'll just point out that it's you cannot i think i think i'm right to say you cannot be sent to prison for not paying cannot be sent to prison for not paying now. yeah, but historically a historically good. there you go. yeah, yeah. it's important to get that clarification out there. yeah now great to the now look, great start to the show. very much, show. thank you very much, coming is launching coming up, china is launching rockets build bases rockets to build bases on the moon, we're still sending moon, but we're still sending them a staggering £8 million in foreign of foreign aid. that's on top of everything else we've them, everything else we've sent them, by in fact, actually, by the way. in fact, actually, they building fake they are also building a fake moon. not lying about they are also building a fake moogenuinely not lying about they are also building a fake moogenuinely overnight about they are also building a fake moo genuinely overnight so out they are also building a fake moo genuinely overnight so they they are also building a fake mocproducely overnight so they they are also building a fake mocproduce morernight so they they are also building a fake mocproduce more crops: so they they are also building a fake mocproduce more crops .;o they can produce more crops. yeah. have our minds? more have we lost our minds? more of that we'll have the that nonsense. we'll have the first tomorrow's newspaper first of tomorrow's newspaper front next, tony front pages. but next, tony blair's inhumane prison legacy that's banged up that's left people banged up indefinitely for petty crimes, imprisonment for public protection. sentences were meant for paedophiles and killers, but it was widely misused under his government. baroness claire fox is now calling for 3000 inmates to have their sentences reviewed in what she calls a scandal that stained our justice system. does

stained ourjustice system. does tony blair have more blood on his hands? patrick christys tonight we're only on

gb news. tomorrow's newspaper. front pages. coming up in my press pack. but first, some say sir tony blair really is a bad smell. that won't go away. well that certainly rings true for one piece of particularly damaging legislation brought in under his labour government that

has seen some 3000 people languishing in prison , languishing in prison, potentially forever, for crimes as little as nicking a mobile phone. thomas white was 28 years old when he was banged up for swiping a phone in 2012. now it wasn't his first theft, but 12 years on, 12 years on the now 40 years on, 12 years on the now 40 year old father of one from bury in greater manchester is still behind bars with no prospect of release. he's only met his son kaden, once when he was nine months old. the lad is now 14 andifs months old. the lad is now 14 and it's all down to blair's imprisonment for public protection laws, which came into force in 2005. in a bid to make labour appear tough on crime, indefinite sentences , from which indefinite sentences, from which release is very, very tricky , release is very, very tricky, were meant for extremely dangerous rapists , killers and dangerous rapists, killers and paedophiles, but they were used far more than widely intended, with the tories rightly scrapping ipp completely in 2012 amid public outrage. but the

only problem is that those previously convicted under the law are still suffering from it, not including 86 ipp prisoners who since committed suicide who have since committed suicide in prison . the un's leading in prison. the un's leading torture expert has rightly condemned the situation as shameful. now, though, baron claire fox is rallying the house of lords to ask the government to resentence those still serving controversial sentences , serving controversial sentences, baroness fox joins me live now alongside anthony hopkins, who is an ex ipp prisoner who served 16 years for threats to kill under an ipp sentence and was released in february. both of you , thank you very much, you, thank you very much, claire. i'll start with you, if that's all right. why do you care so passionately about this? why have you made it a big cause for you? can you just explain a bit more detail for us, please ? bit more detail for us, please? >> of course, one thing to really stress is that as much as i would like this to be, you know, an attack on tony blair and his legacy, one of the things that's most frustrating

is that it's a much broader problem. >> that's something that happenedin >> that's something that happened in the past because the sentences were abolished in 2012. and what i've been calling for and, you know, when i first heard they'd been abolished, i thought, brilliant. you know , thought, brilliant. you know, it's going to give people a chance off this terrible chance to get off this terrible sentencing regime, which is never backfired , and never fair. went backfired, and i couldn't get over it when i discovered a few years later, there were still people languishing in prison. so my target here is not the blair government. actually, it's also the case that i'm hanging on the coattails of people across the house of lords from all parties. daniel moylan, lord moylan, who is often on gb news, on is often on gb news, people on the labour side , who have made the labour side, who have made it very clear that they regret what happened . and so we are what happened. and so we are basically now saying that the government have got to have the courage to resentence . one small courage to resentence. one small thing i want to say is they often excuse often given by both the labour frontbench and the

government, is almost like, oh, well, the problem is, if we let these 3000 people go and something awful happens , then something awful happens, then the type of people who read the daily mail or watch gb news or blame us. and i've always argued , and that was why i had an article in the daily mail and why i'm here on gb news is that ordinary working people hate injustice . they do not want to injustice. they do not want to see banged up forever for minor crimes . that's not the basis of crimes. that's not the basis of what they want public protection. >> i mean , look, the vast >> i mean, look, the vast majority of people watch >> i mean, look, the vast maj> i mean, look, the vast maj< show want ple watch >> i mean, look, the vast maj> i mean, look, the vast maj> i mean, look, the vast maj

of the potential. never for never release for you on all of this? and what do you think about these sentences? >> well, i was nearly at number 87 on that list several times because it came to a point ten years into my sentence , bearing years into my sentence, bearing in mind i was only given a 15 month tariff , that i thought, month tariff, that i thought, well, there's no point. i'm not going to get released . i've done going to get released. i've done all the programs they've asked me do, but any little hiccup me to do, but any little hiccup i had in prison just meant i was getting knockback. after knockback. and not talking knockback. and we're not talking 2 talking 2 or 3 months. we're talking a year two before you year or two before you then entitled another board entitled to another parole board . so just came to a point . so it just came to a point where just you know where i just thought you know what? like the other age, 60, there's point continuing. and what? like the other age, 60, tiknow point continuing. and what? like the other age, 60, tiknow some int continuing. and what? like the other age, 60, tiknow some of continuing. and what? like the other age, 60, tiknow some of these1uing. and what? like the other age, 60, tiknow some of these 86|g. and what? like the other age, 60, tiknow some of these 86 people i know some of these 86 people that some are that have died. some people are really friends mine , really close friends of mine, and it brought out to see him and it brought me out to see him go. i sort of understood go. what i sort of understood why what they did why they did what they did because . and like because they just no. and like i said, attempted suicide three said, i attempted suicide three times on three different occasions luckily failed occasions and luckily i failed because i went on to challenge myself and improve myself and become , but like 86

become i am today, but like 86 of brothers. was all of my brothers. and it was all men. unfortunately, there are some female ips in prison, but it was all men, you know. it was lost to this ridiculous sentence and as i say, ridiculous because i'm one of the few people that say advocate for ips were pretty much would have been good had they'd been used the right way, but when you were a people like the guy just said, stealing a mobile phone, i had a friend. what? stole some sweets and got an eight month ipp out someone's pocket. he did nearly 14 years. sorry >> sorry, auntie. let me just. yeah. no, i've got to. i've got to emphasise that honestly. yeah. so sorry. you knew someone who. what? stole some sweets and did 14 years. >> so the charge was classed as street robbery, which in itself obviously sounds like a really violent offence, which of course, you know, let's let's not minimise what he did. he robbed somebody on the streets. he put someone in that position,

but he ran off. he for the but he ran off. he went for the wallet in the phone, but he actually ran off with pack of sweets he couldn't get sweets because he couldn't get nothing. the eight nothing. this guy got the eight month ipp and did 14 years behind bars , this is the system behind bars, this is the system that blair's left us with. and this is the system that lord blunkett's left us with. and you can see if all the lights were being rolled his eyes and tell us that it feels sorry for what it's done, but it's left thousands of families, you know, grieving what? grieving and 86 families. what? i'll partners i'll never see their partners again. and i know the public will say, okay, then these people the crimes people have committed the crimes and and, know, and the right and, you know, personally talking about myself, i the i needed removed from the streets. years. streets. i didn't need 16 years. it's question it's a question of proportionality , anthony, isn't it? >> i think it's a question of proportionality. and people understand that. claire, i'll come back to you this. now, come back to you on this. now, look, we went to we went to labour comment on this. labour for comment on this. they've comment at they've got no comment on it at the moment. also some the moment. there are also some horrendous people horrendous stories about people developing significant mental health prison well. health issues in prison as well. being surrounded in that environment the kind of environment and the kind of stuff go on there. stuff that can go on in there. i mean, you must heard about

mean, you must have heard about some that as well. claire, some of that as well. claire, presumably yeah. some of that as well. claire, pre and, bly yeah. some of that as well. claire, pre and, bly know, i've some of that as well. claire, pre and,bly know, i've done some of that as well. claire, pre and, bly know, i've done work >> and, you know, i've done work as academy of ideas. we've as the academy of ideas. we've got a project that we started which is debating matters beyond bars, working in bars, which was working in prisons. i want to prisons. right. so i want to emphasise, anthony, just been so articulate. i'm, you know, brilliant advocate for what he believes. people are caught for a crime and you get time and you do the time and then you come out of prison. that's the way we do it in a british justice system. can you imagine what it's like? people will say, it's like? you, people will say, i should have. i was a bad lad. i should have. i was a bad lad. i should have. i was a bad lad. i should be in for a few years. you know what i mean? but then it ends. and then you go out and you rebuild life. you try and rebuild your life. this sentence that never, this is a sentence that never, ever ends . this is a sentence that never, ever ends. because you can easily have it extended as we've heard for decades. and then even when you're released, you're on the most ridiculously impossible to live to licensing. people are recalled back in so when you're asking me what we should do is this is as big a scandal as the

post office scandal. and as far as i'm concerned , the fact that as i'm concerned, the fact that in a modern democratic society , in a modern democratic society, people are hopeless, where you just tell them that their lives are. i mean, that is not the kind of justice system we want. we would criticise any other country that had it. so i think as somebody said, don't let's wait to be an itv wait for there to be an itv drama before we do something about this. we need to make it pubuc about this. we need to make it public issue, and i'm glad that you're covering it. patrick it's great. >> well, no, thank you for being so vocal about it as well. and look, i just wonder well , look, i just wonder as well, anthony, you know, we cover a lot of soft justice stories on this show. all right. you know, we have thing people who've done some unspeakable things. certain members grooming have members of grooming gangs have got two and a half years or something, know, and, something, you know, and, i mean, colin pitchfork's been out and about. you know, i think you're did a you're right. he did serve a fair long time. fact is, fair long time. but the fact is, he's out and about or he's now back out and about or was for bit anyway, all was for a little bit anyway, all of write about of these stories write about people unspeakable people who've done unspeakable crimes and presumably people like would been or crimes and presumably people like person would been or crimes and presumably people like person wonicked been or crimes and presumably people like person wonicked a been or crimes and presumably people like person wonicked a packetr

the person who nicked a packet of swiped a mobile of sweets or swiped a mobile phone will been in phone will have been sitting in prison some these prison watching some of these monsters . monsters come and go. >> so one of the things we >> yeah. so one of the things we used to find odd when the ipp was abolished is that, guys, what was given the same sentence as us or sometimes worse, would get released before us because they'd be given the sentence we would have been given had we not been given an ipp . so i was been given an ipp. so i was watching people what committed. i i was banged up at the i mean, i was banged up at the same time as someone who murdered boyfriend . he got murdered his boyfriend. he got 13 years to life. got out 13 years to life. he got out before me that was for a murder. that's killing that's for killing an individual. this individual individual. and this individual got out me? yes. got out before me? yes. rehabilitated. but you rehabilitated. but still, you know, and we aren't minimising my own fence, which obviously i had , and i had a lot had victims, and i had a lot more. i had a bigger past before that, and i'd done prison several times. i threatened to kill somebody, and i served three years more than i. murderer. this is the system we're living in, patrick and the system was broken. and it's

ridiculously underfunded. >> okay. go on. claire >> okay. go on. claire >> that's why. that's why i think there's a mental health problem . and this is what the problem. and this is what the almost kafkaesque nature of this sentence is. people actually are in despair. can you imagine the whole irrationality of that? and also never knowing, you know, whether you'll be let out because you haven't got a sentence like anybody normally in prison. so you really in prison. so you can't really rehabilitate and people develop serious mental ill health. guess what stops you getting out? or when you're on an ipp? what the parole board says is they don't want to hear you. if you've want to hear from you. if you've got a mental health problem, because too because that makes you too dangerous prison . dangerous to leave the prison. and the whole thing is, by the way, to us, as public way, it's sold to us, as public protection. and i think it's understandable the public want to be protected. you've just explained, patrick, there's a whole range of issues where the police won't do their job, where if you're having a burglary, you can't get them to come round. so when government which can't get them to come round. so wiwhat government which can't get them to come round. so wiwhat they're'nment which can't get them to come round. so wiwhat they're saying which can't get them to come round. so wiwhat they're saying now. nhich is what they're saying now. so that's just labour.

that's why it's not just labour. the tory government say, we want to protect you. we're not letting these dangerous letting out these dangerous ipp prisoners, even though we aboush prisoners, even though we abolish that then abolish the sentence that then makes people think, oh, well, maybe we won't let them out. and it's actually they're it's actually a con they're con in the on one. yeah in the public on this one. yeah >> look, both of you, thank you very, very much. i would like to keep track of this. all right. so hope to to you both so i do hope to talk to you both again, soon. all again, very, very soon. all right. the best. good luck right. all the best. good luck with . we approached with everything. we approached tony comment, tony blair for comment, but we are hear a ministry are yet to hear back. a ministry of spokesman this. of justice spokesman said this. we the number of we have reduced the number of unleashed by three unleashed ipp prisoners by three quarters scrapped the quarters since we scrapped the sentence with a 12% sentence in 2012, with a 12% fall in the last year alone, where the parole deemed where the parole board deemed prisoners safe be released. prisoners safe to be released. we've to we've also taken decisive to action curtail licence periods and continue to help still and continue to help those still in custody to progress towards release, including improving access rehabilitation access to rehabilitation programmes and mental health support, i know support, can i just say i know that it will probably quite a few people watching this now, shouting their tv screens, shouting at their tv screens, going, commit a going, well, don't commit a crime right? i crime that i know. all right? i get and am usually get that, okay? and i am usually very that. but you very vocal about that. but you do look at some the

do have to look at some of the stories that cover stories that we cover here. i hark back to again just hark back to it again just quickly, people who've quickly, you know, people who've committed absolutely obscene issues with grooming gangs, you managed in managed to get two years in prison out prison and they're back out and about. and then you about. all right. and then you compare who's compare that to someone who's had could serve had 14 years and could serve the rest prison for rest of his life in prison for swiping don't swiping a mobile phone. i don't mind into for those mind going into bat for those people. baroness fox and people. baroness claire fox and anthony you very, anthony hopkins, thank you very, very coming itv very much. coming up, itv has come fire a come under fire for a commissioner allegedly told after commissioner after a commissioner easy for me to say, allegedly told industry execs that the broadcaster does not want white men as talent. i'll reveal all about that on gb news exclusively shortly. more on what scandal, though, when i have the first of tomorrow's newspaper front pages in my press pack and hopefully when i come how

okay. welcome back to patrick christys. tonight on gb news. it's time to bring you tomorrow's newspaper front pages. now let's do it . oh,

pages. now let's do it. oh, okay. we're going with the metro. £35 billion wasp. bee sting . all right. new government sting. all right. new government crisis over payouts for 2.6 million women. failed over pensions. let's go to the independent pensions fiasco. could cost the taxpayer 10.5 billion or more. i read an article earlier on that it could rise to £35 billion. actually, the daily telegraph sickness benefits bill to rise by a third work lawlessness crisis fuels increases welfare costs forecast to hit £90 billion. the picture story they've gone for. there is, of course, the saint george's cross or the desecration of on the back of the new england shirt, the daily mirror pay them what they are owed millions born in 50s due compo. it's again that waspi story. there the guardian us toughened stance to call for immediate gaza ceasefire. oh, they're still banging on about this all male garrick club as well. i'm not going to give that time. i don't know if anyone cares. express pay up cares. today the express pay up millions of women are owed

pension payouts. there's pension payouts. look, there's a theme isn't theme here on the front, isn't there? let's go the daily there? let's go to the daily star. on star. dumbo's star. not on the star. dumbo's botswana threatens to send over 10,000 elephants to live in london's hyde park. can i just say ? don't throw me say botswana? don't throw me with a good time. that sounds fantastic. 10,000 elephants in hyde park. i'd say every hyde park. i'd say that every day i'll be there day of the week, i'll be there now. i wouldn't i would quit my job i'd. i would go and job and i'd. and i would go and spend my with elephants spend all my time with elephants in botswana in hyde park. if botswana decided to send 10,000 of them. but i'm joined now but anyway, here i'm joined now by panel. the by my panel. i've got the wonderful daily telegraph columnist allison pearson, founding chairman global founding chairman of global britain and britain uk. i'm a muggle and matthew lhasa, the former labour party adviser. right look , party adviser. right now, look, we are actually going to go in with a story that isn't on any front pages. why because front pages. why not? because it's and it's a gb it's just landed and it's a gb news exclusive . i'm going news exclusive. i'm going to read to now. editor read it to you now. itv editor sparks fury for saying we don't want white men. it's a major exclusive from gb news reporter charlie peters . now this is charlie peters. now this is breaking. a complaint has been lodged after an itv editor sparked fury after allegedly

saying we don't want white men when discussing hosts for new shows. itv commissioner nicola lloyd allegedly said we really don't want any more white men as talent . lloyd made the reported talent. lloyd made the reported comment on a panel to a packed room at the broadcast indie summit. the complaint, written by a television producer in the audience, said that lloyd was discussing itv's important 9 pm. broadcast slot, alison, p.m. broadcast slot, alison, your reaction to this just just landing now the story i think we're getting heartily sick, aren't we? >> middle class, >> of white, middle class, guilt, guilty, white middle class discriminating guilt, guilty, white middle class their discriminating guilt, guilty, white middle class their discrkindating guilt, guilty, white middle class their discrkind ? ng guilt, guilty, white middle class their discrkind ? ig guilt, guilty, white middle class their discrkind ? i mean, against their own kind? i mean, it is actually illegal, as far as i can understand, under the equality act, which prohibits discrimination based on prohibited and protected characteristics, rather such as race or gender. this is a real, real issue . not only would real issue. not only would patrick christys not be getting the gig, i mean, you know, you'd be too busy shovelling botswana. >> yeah , you've gone mate. >> yeah, you've gone mate. you're in. you're in hyde park with with dumbo the elephant. >> i'd be too, because

>> well, i'd be too, because i could self—identify as as a white man, with these ideas, i as another white man. >> i don't know what i'm going to say here. i'm patrick, and i'm just going to stay out of this. >> yeah, but, i mean, look, obviously we both got funny foreign surnames. as foreign surnames. we do, as we discussed. surname. yeah, discussed. real surname. yeah, actually as christodoulou, actually, is, as christodoulou, but, yeah. there we go. anyway, you know, look, obviously we hadnt you know, look, obviously we hadn't planned on talking about this because just this tonight because it's just it's landed. am aware it's just landed. so i am aware that an element of that there is an element of crossover between the crossover here between the same story the go story here at the top. oh, go on. on. >> n on. >> i would say if you on. i would say if you want >> look, i would say if you want to systemic this to see systemic racism in this country, at the country, then let's look at the systemic racism against, you know, white people. be it, you know, white people. be it, you know, our defence forces. i mean, wasn't it, know, our defence forces. i mean, wasn't it , the raf, we mean, wasn't it, the raf, we don't want any more white people . i mean, what is wrong with this country in this day and age that we are looking at diversity in this twisted way that we have to exclude the majority population to be inclusive? it's absolutely bonkers. >> i mean, there is a point, i

think i think vaughan gething, the new first minister of wales, said something along the lines of he wants the senate to be more representative, to look more representative, to look more like wales. that was it. you look at the actual diversity and ethnic makeup of wales. i mean, it's unbelievably white. right. and the senate is already looks more like the than that. and so i don't quite understand why people i don't think he was just talking about race. >> i think he was talking about people different of people from different parts of wales as alison saying wales and as alison was saying earlier, different earlier, about different backgrounds earlier, about different baci know, ds do earlier, about different baciknow,ds do have representation. >> know, do we need, >> i mean, you know, do we need, dare i i don't know what an dare i say, i don't know what an overrepresentation diverse on overrepresentation of diverse on our television screens. is that a thing? >> no, mean, athing? >> no, mean, think a thing? >> no, mean, think what we >> no, i mean, i think what we need a is a diverse range in need is a is a diverse range in the sense of people from the truest sense of people from i mean, one of the things is hilarious that, know, hilarious is that, you know, we're bbc and we're talking about the bbc and the who present. at one the people who present. at one stage, one only person stage, there was one only person who presented one of big who presented one of the big bbc radio affairs

radio four current affairs programmes who to state programmes who went to state school, that a school, and that became a grammar. was in surrey. grammar. and it was in surrey. so diversity needs be taken grammar. and it was in surrey. sothe ersity needs be taken grammar. and it was in surrey. sothe round1eeds be taken grammar. and it was in surrey. sothe round .3eds be taken grammar. and it was in surrey. sothe round . but be taken grammar. and it was in surrey. sothe round . but it's3e taken important. >> i remember just important. >> i rememberjust quickly that there were 8000 complaints made to ofcom coronation day, to ofcom on coronation day, after a black actress described the buckingham palace balcony as terribly white. well, that does, you know, the british royal family, unfortunately very, very white and but no action from ofcom against that remark, which was struck such a bad note on a very special day. >> i would rather see a the commissioner at itv being a person of colour, rather than a middle class white guilt. >> yeah, i mean it's i find it quite astonishing. anyway, look , quite astonishing. anyway, look, an itv spokesperson said the panel discussion included ways to new ideas and to to pitch new ideas and ways to further diversify content and talent offerings. we are proud to be an equal opportunities employer. encourage diversity employer. we encourage diversity through the business. itv commits and commits to maintaining and building on our dei success. they've doubled down, seeking out diverse ideas, out more diverse ideas, production companies and talent. we continue to collaborate

we will continue to collaborate across the industry. we aim to create showcase content by, create and showcase content by, with and everyone. well, all with and for everyone. well, all right . they're not they're not right. they're not they're not backing down on this, are they? no denial. no no no denial there that a the itv commissioning editor said that they don't want white talent. interesting. now lord cameron has long been accused of making the uk too cosy for china during his time as prime minister is come back as prime minister is come back as foreign secretary sent shockwaves through politics. but people me were spitting out people like me were spitting out their cereal when they saw this headune their cereal when they saw this headline earlier. britain is still sending china more than £8 million year back in million in aid a year back in 2011, cameron's government said they giving handouts they would scrap giving handouts to the communist superpower. so we that to the list of we can add that to the list of false promises from the tories. can we? china was the world's second largest economy. they can afford a space program . afford a space program. meanwhile, in this country, you struggle to struggle sometimes to find a dentist to take out your tooth. alison, why playing out alison, why are we playing out here? well well, well, david cameron's government said they wanted friends with

china. >> like trying to be best friends with a tiger, it, friends with a tiger, isn't it, patrick, yeah. it's complete. it's completely mad. the it's completely mad. this is the same china that spent billions of pounds its belt and road of pounds on its belt and road program, which is basically buying up most of the world to be a colony of china. i think most british people wouldn't think we've got enough needs at home. just a small point. we pay o.5% home. just a small point. we pay 0.5% of our national income, goesin 0.5% of our national income, goes in foreign aid, and we spend only 2.3% of our national income on defending our country. i think there's a strong case to be made for cutting a lot of the foreign aid and putting it into the defence of our own nation against countries like china . yeah. >> no, no, i know you and i have had a bit of back and forth in the past on foreign aid, but i do think china is different. i think it certainly is think actually it certainly is different i know the different to i know the last time we about i time we spoke about this, i think relation to think it was in relation to foreign india. we've think it was in relation to fore more. india. we've think it was in relation to fore more. would dia. we've think it was in relation to foremore. would argue e've think it was in relation to foremore. would argue you got more. i would argue you know, definitely know, cultural. we definitely have cultural historic have more cultural and historic ties . some would ties to india. some people would

argue obligation argue more of an obligation or whatever as well. china is different, or i different, isn't it? or not, i don't know. >> i mean, look at it this >> well, i mean, look at it this way, i think absolutely way, i think it's absolutely ludicrous. we're giving any money whatsoever at money to china whatsoever at all. but also equally all. but it's also equally ludicrous we're still ludicrous that we're still giving money to fail terror states like pakistan. yeah. i mean, beyond bonkers. so mean, it's beyond bonkers. so i would argue that, in terms of global britain, you know, i think we need an emergency break on all foreign aid for one very simple reason. we are spending £8 million housing and dealing with supposed refugees every single day who have crossed over the english channel. so let's deal with them first, and maybe we can go and spread , you know, we can go and spread, you know, as a force for good after that. >> all right. okay. now look, we are going to have to rattle through here i'm afraid, through here now, i'm afraid, because up, i crown because coming up, i crown tonight's britain tonight's greatest britain and union it the union jackass. will it be the waspi ? will they get waspi women? will they get justice? i will tell how justice? i will tell you how keir starmer responded keir starmer has responded to the nike england flag controversy. do you think he defends the saint george's cross? plus, you got cross? plus, have you got sympathy for people like this? >> and plus sizing on a plane of

course shimmy down the course i have to shimmy down the aisle . aisle sideways. >> well there we go, okay. patrick christys tonight only on

gb news. all right. welcome back. more front pages for you now . the i front pages for you now. the i waspi women demand help from laboun waspi women demand help from labour. this story has been dominating, and it continues to dominate on the mail. new betrayal of waspi women. also, the england shirt controversy and the times says, well b takes issue with church deconstructing whiteness role and 1 million more people cite mental health battle , all right okay. so look, battle, all right okay. so look, i'm going to focus in a little bit on the keir starmer england shirt statement . so sir keir shirt statement. so sir keir starmer has just given his opinion on the controversial new england kit at night, decided to

playfully alter the saint george's cross. they made it multicoloured for literally no reason whatsoever. no reason anyway. arsenal fan sir keir starmer has joined the chorus of boos. he told the sun the flag is used by everybody. it's unifying . it doesn't need to unifying. it doesn't need to change. we just need to be proud of so i think they should of it. so i think they should just reconsider change just reconsider this and change it matthew , i mean, it back, matthew, i mean, obviously this guy would say anything votes, wouldn't he? anything for votes, wouldn't he? but here. but he's got a point here. not at all. but he's got a point here. not at (it's on. and it's what >> it's spot on. and it's what he he's genuinely he believes. he's genuinely a football genuinely to football fan, genuinely goes to the some the arsenal, unlike some politicians who may slightly, up their football , i their knowledge of football, i think it was, one of them who had got the england shirt and it still had the creases on in the england i think was england match. i think it was pretty anyway, pretty patel. but anyway, so spot he's absolutely spot on. and he's absolutely right. speaking about right. he's speaking up about this is not the this because the flag is not the property side property of one side of politics. we should all unite around politics. i could actually understand >> i could actually understand it they turned it it a lot more if they turned it into something like the pride. >> yeah, just random >> yeah, it's just a random selection you know, selection of colours, you know, disagree least disagree with it, but at least there's it. there's a point to it. >> it'sjust there's a point to it.

>> it's just they've literally just like just with our flag. >> e’- e!- e deal. i mean, >> they have a deal. i mean, look, george look, that cross of saint george is flag. it's is your flag. it's my flag. it's our a flag of all our flag. it's a flag of all people are to call people who are proud to call england mean, i tweeted england home. i mean, i tweeted that afternoon and had that this afternoon and it's had , it's unified people. it's had a million views and probably about 10,000 retweets, but that's the point. this is it's what unites us. yeah. yeah >> there's going to be protests about this now. i've got to continue to rattle through because time a because it's is time for a subject that broached subject that i've broached before panel. before with this panel. apparently flyers. now, apparently fat flyers. now, they often okay with often get a bad rap. okay with many saying that they should pay for two seats if they can't fit into one, but are they just misunderstood? here tiktoker misunderstood? here is tiktoker curvy chronicles documenting the experience of plus sized jet setters, plus sizing on a plane . setters, plus sizing on a plane. >> of course, they can't put the tray down now and plus size them on a of course, i have to on a plane. of course, i have to shimmy aisle sideways . shimmy down the aisle sideways. >> there she goes. i'm plus size and on a plane, of course. >> i need a seat belt extender. >> i need a seat belt extender. >> right. okay, so she's calling for hashtag fat acceptance, now ,

for hashtag fat acceptance, now, it doesn't matter who i go to next, they're always going to think this is linked to them. so i promise you, no i promise you, this is no particular reason whatsoever . particular reason whatsoever. allison, reckon to this? >> oh , yes, i think, does she >> oh, yes, i think, does she want them to build a bigger plane , especially for her? plane, especially for her? >> i mean, everybody knows those . you know, the gap between yourself and the tray table is very, very squashed anyway, isn't it? but she could just. >> i mean, she just lose >> i mean, she could just lose a bit of or not put the bit of weight or not put the tray down. tray table down. >> interesting , >> but what's interesting, patrick, might be patrick, is that what might be seen for shame, or seen as a source for shame, or maybe i should alter myself, change my behaviour to fit in is now seen to go on the offensive against the airline. that's that's the difference. it's quite an amazing change. you know, most people would think, oh, a bit embarrassed about oh, i'm a bit embarrassed about this rather flaunting this rather than flaunting it, don't you think? >> right, look very, very >> all right, look very, very quickly spain quickly lads. holiday to spain went it begun. went wrong before it even begun. as were denied entry into as they were denied entry into the country. this who is the country. but this is who is to blame, apparently. what? >> so we've all been denied

entry into spain because we don't have the right documents . don't have the right documents. sorry, mate. sorry. and we're all walking back into into gibraltar now. so there we go . gibraltar now. so there we go. no dinner in spain for us. thank you. brexit nigel farage, you got the wrong documents, mate. >> you don't you don't get into a nightclub without your id, you can't just wander into spain. it's nigel's fault. time for it's not nigel's fault. time for greatest britain union, jackass. allison. who's your greatest britain >> it's the waspi women. women, born in the 1950s, who were not told about changes to their pension age. so they were often left terrible poverty . now left in terrible poverty. now being told that they should have compensation. but government compensation. but the government doesn't be compensating doesn't want to be compensating anybody doesn't want to be compensating anyb think , posthumous one for >> i think, posthumous one for me, i must say greatest britain. >> this week, lord balfour, are for one very simple reason that he attacked by these, he was attacked by these, metropolitan liberal elite. >> because >> all right. because >> all right. because >> and mine's alan bennett, the national treasure, the writer for showing age is just a number as his first original as he pens his first original screenplay for 40 years at the

age 89. can't wait to see age of 89. i can't wait to see the product. age of 89. i can't wait to see the alan product. age of 89. i can't wait to see the alan bennett.|ct. age of 89. i can't wait to see the alan bennett. good, it's >> alan bennett. good, but it's the they're our the waspi women. they're our greatest britain tonight. there we is your union we go. okay, who is your union jackass? alison. >> it's the conservatives and rishi on the fourth stop rishi sunak on the fourth stop will be anything but on the fourth anniversary of lockdown, they're actually boasting that sunak saved 14 million jobs with his furlough scheme. no mention of catastrophic effect on the economy, mental health, economy, child mental health, absolute shambles. he should be saying sorry. >> right , go saying sorry. >> right, go on, a man. >> all right, go on, a man. >> all right, go on, a man. >> oh, the union jack ass of the week. i think the bbc's number one lefty activist, niall atonic. >> all right. okay. >> all right. okay. >> and it was going to be lloyds bank who kept me on the phone so long needed to make it long i needed to make it tonight. it's actually tonight. but it's actually owen jones putting his own brand jones for putting his own brand value don't hate value ahead. and i don't hate anybody. a of a head of anybody. a head of a head of electing a labour government. all right. which working people need. right. all right. which working people neethe right.is niall. there we >> the winner is niall. there we go. so can i just say a massive thank you to everyone. thank you, thank you, thank you. great show. headliners next. i will see tomorrow. take see you at 9 pm. tomorrow. take

it easy. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> welcome to your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. good evening to you. tomorrow we'll feel colder for all of us. a bit of a damp start in the south, and then a mixture of sunshine and showers. low pressure is dominating, but it's actually sitting up by iceland. but these weather draped across the weather fronts draped across the uk, this one in particular is doing a couple of things bringing cloud and rain, but also introducing colder air. also introducing the colder air. the rain will trickle southwards through this evening across northwest england and wales, a fairly soggy evening and that rain spreading into the midlands and southwest england. by the end night. far end of the night. the far southeast staying mostly dry, staying pretty mild here but colder air is arriving across the north. a chilly start here and very gusty winds through the night. and indeed for most of friday, particularly across northern also into northern scotland, but also into the scotland .

the west coast of scotland. blustery showers, some snow over the highlands. showers elsewhere for southern scotland. northern ireland morning ireland a dull, damp morning across and the across the southeast and the rain may linger in kent well into the afternoon, but elsewhere it will brighten up. we'll see some sunny spells but it will feel colder temperatures only single figures across only in single figures across the north, maybe 11 or 12 further south. quite bit further south. quite a bit chillier it has been chillier than it has been through week. through this week. a cold feeling to the weekend as feeling start to the weekend as well. we may start saturday dry and bright with a cloud. will bubble up and expect showers on saturday. heavy downpours, saturday. some heavy downpours, rumbles hail showers rumbles of thunder, hail showers possible as well and look at the numbers for saturday after being in teens for most of this in the teens for most of this week. digits many week. single digits for many of us, to feel a lot chillier. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> good evening. it's 11:00. >> good evening. it's11:00. you're with gb news. i'm polly middlehurst. and the top story tonight. thousands of women born in the 1950s may be eligible for compensation . after a new report compensation. after a new report found the department for work and pensions failed to adequately inform them that the state pension age was changing. back in 2010, the parliamentary and health service ombudsman looked at their cases and the potential injustices resulting from the decision to raise the women's retirement age to bring

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