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francis. >> darren, thanks very much. >> darren, thanks very much. >> good evening from the newsroom. 6:02 and we start with newsroom. 6:02 and we start with news from russia, where the president is continuing to link ukraine to last night's attack at a concert venue in moscow, which killed at least 143 people. >> kyiv have described russia's apparent attempt to blame ukraine as absolutely untenable and absurd. neither vladimir putin nor the fsb have so far presented any proof of a link with ukraine. the united states, meanwhile, has strongly condemned the attack , with the condemned the attack, with the us intelligence services saying they believe carried out they believe it was carried out by a branch of the islamic state terror group in a statement to the nation, president putin said the nation, president putin said the terrorists can expect punishment and condemned what he called barbaric attack . called the barbaric attack. >> all the executors, planners and those who ordered this crime will be rightfully and inevitably punished . whoever inevitably punished. whoever they are and whoever directed them. let me repeat we will identify and punish everyone who

stood behind the terrorists who prepared this attack against russia, against our people . russia, against our people. >> other news from the region where ukraine is now working to restore power supplies after the biggest russian attack on its power grid, this was the moment russian forces struck the country's largest dam . rocketman country's largest dam. rocketman . what well, that attack killed at least five people and put europe's . biggest nuclear europe's. biggest nuclear station at risk. it comes as more than 30,000 people have now been killed in ukraine since russia's invasion. president zelenskyy calling urgent zelenskyy is calling for urgent international assistance, saying that terrorism is only that russian terrorism is only possible because ukraine, he says, lacks modern air defence systems . back here in the uk, systems. back here in the uk, lord cameron has now joined world leaders praising the princess of wales for what he's called her remarkable strength after she announced she was undergoing for cancer. undergoing treatment for cancer. cancer have cancer charities have also

praised princess for praised the princess for speaking about her diagnosis, saying it will encourage others with concerns to visit their doctor. kate says she and william have been doing everything possible to process and to manage the shock news privately for the sake of their young family. the king, who was himself diagnosed with cancer in february of this year, is said to be in the closest contact with his daughter in law. >> it has been an incredibly tough couple of months for our entire family, but i've had a fantastic medical team who have taken great care of me, for which i'm so grateful. thank in january, i underwent major abdominal surgery in london, and at time thought that at the time it was thought that my was non—cancer, my condition was non—cancer, else surgery was successful . else the surgery was successful. however, tests after the operation found cancer had been present. my medical team therefore advised that i should undergo a course of preventative chemotherapy and i'm now in the early stages of that treatment. >> well, public support has been

pounng >> well, public support has been pouring in from across the country, and we've been speaking to on streets of to people on the streets of birmingham who've sent their well wishes to the future queen. >> it's quite shocking , really. >> it's quite shocking, really. she's got young kids, she's got a that's a family. i think that's probably the more upsetting thing everything. thing about everything. the pubuc thing about everything. the public doesn't public eye on things doesn't really at the minute, public eye on things doesn't realljit.7 at the minute, does it.7 >> i think it was a brave decision and i think that will just awaken people's minds to a troublesome cancer is and to be checked out themselves. >> yeah. it's very shocking really. and obviously, you know, it's 1 really. and obviously, you know, it's i in 2 people really. and obviously, you know, it'si in 2 people are getting it's i in 2 people are getting cancer now. so i think we all should be a little bit more respectful and just let her get on with it. and you know, to recover with a family and just lay her little bit. you lay off her a little bit. you know, i think she has a lot of scrutiny the last scrutiny over the last few weeks. >> p news, we've learned >> in other news, we've learned today knife crime today that knife crime campaigner taylor campaigner richard taylor has died the of 75 after his died at the age of 75 after his long battle with cancer. his ten year old son, damilola, was killed what became killed in 2000, in what became one highest profile one of britain's highest profile crimes. posting on social media,

the secretary, james the home secretary, james cleverly, taylor's cleverly, praised mr taylor's determination of determination in the face of what he huge personal what he called huge personal tragedy. led richard tragedy. the loss led richard and wife gloria to set and his late wife gloria to set up a trust aimed at supporting disadvantaged young people . he disadvantaged young people. he said his son's death was a result of enormous problems in society, but that he wanted his legacy to be one of hope. and some news in from kent this evening. a boy, aged just 12, has been arrested after a teenage girl was stabbed there in sittingbourne. the incident happened shortly before 4:00 on friday afternoon. we understand police are now asking anyone with information, including cctv footage or video, to come forward. we will keep across that for you and bring you more on that as we get it. britain is in the midst of the longest sustained rise in people missing work due to sickness. since the 1990s, research from the resolution foundation found that nearly 2.7 million people are too sick to work, with figures highest among the youngest and

the oldest of workers. the increase comes despite the overall labour market returning to normal following the pandemic, but it means that britain is the only g7 economy not to have returned to pre—covid levels of employment . pre—covid levels of employment. those are the headlines. plenty more still to come throughout the evening. in the meantime, you can sign up to gb news alerts. just scan the qr code there on your screen or go to gb news alerts. now, though, news common alerts. now, though, it's to the saturday five. it's back to the saturday five. >> jossom. it's saturday night and you are with the saturday five. i'm darren grimes and i can promise that you're in for a very lively two hours. we're going to crack on now with tonight's first discussion. which of you is going to start us off.7 >> then? i'll us off? >> then? i'll kick off because i've just been to down wembley stadium, gauging the public mood about flag gate. it's been raging on, of course. why on earth did nick feel fit to

change the saint george's flag on the back of the england shirt to something akin to, well, make your own minds up? during the course of this next hour, i went down to wembley. this is what fans to say earlier today. fans had to say earlier today. >> a bit, think. yeah, >> it's a bit, i think. yeah, just it. it's not that just get over it. it's not that big a deal, but, yeah, just more worried the actual the worried about the actual the price it. guys quick question. >> you can just say yes or no. do you like the new england shirt? yes. do you like the new england shirt? yes do you like the new england shirt? >> not too bad. >> it's not too bad. >> it's not too bad. >> don't the saint >> you don't mind the saint george's messed george's flag being messed around george's flag being messed aroritd george's flag being messed arorit doesn't bother me at all. >> that's one of my favourite kits. i remember tony adams in that do you think we should go back umbro, which is based in back to umbro, which is based in manchester, an english firm making 100. making the kit 100. >> go to the classic kits, >> go back to the classic kits, that's want. that's what you want. >> have had many people >> have you had many people talking the on talking about the flag on the back? no comment . oh, okay. back? no. no comment. oh, okay. no one's mentioned it. okay all right. thank you. have a good day. you know we spotted you because you've got the england gear on. we just want to know

what you think about the new england shirt. >> oh, i'm not a bit indifferent to be fair. it's just a shirt for me. to be honest, i think we should put a palestine flag on the back instead. >> in tribute to palestine. >> in tribute to palestine. >> two political. i think that should be steered away from. just leave as it is, you just leave it as it is, you know, new design. but know, new design. fine, but don't politics into don't bring politics into football . football. >> me tell you >> well, let me tell you something, nick. football association , this is what association, this is what a saint george's flag looks like. no purple, no blue. leave it the hell alone. >> oh, very good, very good. >> oh, very good, very good. >> i mean, great clips you got just there. and i think actually the great british public were essentially displaying my opinion. i mean, i really couldn't care less about whether or not this flag has had a playful update or not. but i just wonder whether or not you are annoyed about these other playful updates of the union jack, which we're just going to have a look at. >> oh no, it's a saint george's

flag. well this is we're going to have a look at some other flags if we can get them up. >> this was the great britain, the team gb kit in the 2012 olympics. and we were annoyed about that. how about that union jack 2019 jack boris johnson 2019 leadership about jack boris johnson 2019 learblueip about jack boris johnson 2019 learblue the about jack boris johnson 2019 learblue the thin about jack boris johnson 2019 learblue the thin blue about jack boris johnson 2019 learblue the thin blue line.)out the blue the thin blue line. yeah, that's updates for the yeah, but that's updates for the police. what about the ukip police. and what about the ukip logo? police. and what about the ukip log now? badly. yeah. police. and what about the ukip log can'? badly. yeah. police. and what about the ukip log can yourdly. yeah. police. and what about the ukip log can you honestly|. police. and what about the ukip log can you honestly tell me that >> can you honestly tell me that you were as annoyed about these playful updates of the union flag? let's do these. compared to this playful update , let's do to this playful update, let's do these one by one. saint george's cross. >> first of all, before i answer that question, let me just pop this. >> thank you. thank you very much. thank you. >> nice dress. nice dress. >> nice dress. nice dress. >> i know it's like a nice little skirt for the team gb one from the olympics. >> people did kick off about that time. if google that at the time. if you google any news stories from the time, there's lots of furore about that. were that. so yes, people were annoyed the time. annoyed about it at the time. >> don't remember the prime >> i don't remember the prime minister of the minister and the leader of the opposition intervening. >> different. >> yeah, but it's different. what for the team? gb yes, there were comments at the time.

google minister. yeah. google it prime minister. yeah. as the conservative one, as as for the conservative one, it's is this is it's not. the thing is this is this is the latest in a litany of examples where lee anderson said it yesterday, where british and this and english culture in this instance is eroded away. instance is being eroded away. do what the difference is? >> do you know what the difference is, i think is that these those flags are still recognisable. i think the saint george's cross on the back of recognisable. i think the saint geo shirt cross on the back of recognisable. i think the saint geo shirt ci'ijusldi'i the back of recognisable. i think the saint geoshirt crijust not1e back of the shirt is just not recognisable as england recognisable as the england flag. all. flag. not at all. >> and think actually the >> and i think actually the telegraph have together telegraph have put together a pretty interesting to pretty interesting graphic to actually suggest lot of actually suggest why a lot of people a few shall we say, people have a few shall we say, exceptions it. we'll, we'll exceptions to it. we'll, we'll get that up. it is coming. it is coming. it's like christmas, there it is, and at the top there, it's talking about a bisexual flag. >> it does look a bit like that. >> it does look a bit like that. >> and then there's a lesbian flag and a trans flag on the other one. and you just sort of think at least the team gb uniform was red, white and blue. what colour is that? >> the ukip one was purple. >> the ukip one was purple. >> well so that's. yeah exactly. it's still the same flag. that

is not the same flag. >> you know, there are lots of examples flags being >> you know, there are lots of example�*and flags being >> you know, there are lots of example�*and people ags being >> you know, there are lots of example�*and people didn't ing changed and people didn't care about it . i changed and people didn't care about it. i think changed and people didn't care about it . i think actually your about it. i think actually your vox pops showed that those regular football fans aren't that bothered. we have got into a situation where tiny a situation where every tiny change football shirt that change on a football shirt that frankly, the most outrageous thing about it is that the multicoloured cross, it's the fact that it's £125 if you want to buy it said that. and you know what? you know, i can remember a time maybe i'm getting old, but although i'm not 40, which darren told the country was last week, when, country i was last week, when, you know, conservative leaders of all people would say that private should be private companies should be able to the decisions what to make the decisions about what they customers they sell and what customers wish you don't need wish to buy. and you don't need politicians intervening on whether the design of a you know what, though, i think emily thornberry, who i think is you're a fan of you like a bit of emily thornberry, she was saying, what would the french saying, what would the french say if the tricolore was a purple, white and red or if you had, i don't know, she said the welsh flag. had, i don't know, she said the we|and.ag. had, i don't know, she said the

we|and if]. had, i don't know, she said the we|and if they put a pussycat on >> and if they put a pussycat on there instead of the dragon. >> i'm not taking lessons from the french, quite frankly, the fact is, i just think this is all a bit on this. >> i think we should actually be a little bit more patriotic. and actually, this constant attack, this constant attrition on who we are, our identity, our heritage, that's what wins people. only nation people. we are the only nation they this to. they have done this to. >> could imagine >> could you imagine them messing saudi messing around with saudi arabia's know, arabia's flag or, you know, palestine? you laughing palestine? what are you laughing at? we're only nation. >> remember what happened with the flag when was the palestine flag when it was when people that it was when people thought that it was in m&s advert they got it in an m&s advert and they got it confused their christmas confused with their christmas hats. remember furore hats. do you remember the furore over that real problem going on in real problems in the world, real problems going country and going on in this country and here are upset about here you are upset about a football shirt that nike has designed. >> you're the one sat there with a flag draped around you. >> the big well, >> what is the big deal? well, to it is the topic of to be fair, it is the topic of conversation and i agree that there real problems in the there are real problems in the world. >> so let's not cause disunity where non—need exists, the pubuc where non—need exists, the public care. public don't care. >> our vox >> they illustrated by our vox p0p >> they illustrated by our vox pop brilliantly by ben pop they brilliantly got by ben leo on. yes, i think

leo earlier on. yes, i think only one person about it. only one person cared about it. i there is a question that i think there is a question that i'd raise here, which is that we live in age of outrage where live in an age of outrage where outrage many tv outrage sells so many things tv programmes, youtubes, know, programmes, youtubes, you know, darren grimes, twitter feed. all those fuelled by those things are fuelled by outrage. think there's outrage. and so i think there's a valid question of the a very valid question of the motivation behind changing the design. it a case design. you know, was it a case that they wanted all of us to talk about it, to promote the product, to talk about night has it. a question about, it. so there's a question about, you know, if that's the case, then these redesigns then maybe these redesigns work and actually you're becoming it's self—fulfilling it's becoming a self—fulfilling prophecy outraged it's becoming a self—fulfilling prophecjust outraged it's becoming a self—fulfilling prophecjust think outraged it's becoming a self—fulfilling prophecjust think england aged it's becoming a self—fulfilling prophecjust think england and about i just think england and the uk in particular gets treated like absolute treated like an absolute doormat, not just from a football but football perspective, but football perspective, but football fans are that, you know, british people when it comes migration and everything. >> we are treated like a doormat, accused of being racist. this that and whatever else when the truth is, we're the hospitable, welcoming, the most hospitable, welcoming, generous the most hospitable, welcoming, gerburnley. the most hospitable, welcoming, ger i'll nley. my the most hospitable, welcoming, geri'll nley. my saint george's >> i'll take my saint george's flag back, please. yes. i appreciate it more than you do. >> okay . move when can you >> okay. move on. when can you move on? >> i cut me out. >> who is going? >> who is going? >> yeah.

>> yeah. >> we're gonna move to on the story that everybody has been talking about in the past couple of and that is, of course, of days. and that is, of course, catherine, the princess of wales, public the wales, who came public about the fact had cancer. fact that she has had cancer. now there has been huge speculation around the world about her health. and i think there's a very real question that we should ask ourselves today. which was she forced or pressured to come public, to go pubuc pressured to come public, to go public about her health care? the archbishop of canterbury has had some pretty negative words about what's been going on. he said that the internet has become obsessed with conspiracy, that we've gossip mongers that we've become gossip mongers , and that actually this means we've lost our humanity. so emily, you obviously broadcast every day on here. how do you judge these kind of situations happens. do we have a right to know about the princess's private health? >> i think it's very difficult because of course, there are huge numbers of people in this country who care very deeply about royal family they country who care very deeply abotthey royal family they country who care very deeply abotthey have|l family they country who care very deeply abotthey have afamily they country who care very deeply abotthey have a righty they country who care very deeply abotthey have a right to they country who care very deeply abotthey have a right to knoway feel they have a right to know how the health of the royal

family is, of course, kate , family is, of course, kate, catherine is going to be queen of this country. so people do want to know what's wrong. but i think a lot of people have looked at their behaviour recently and sharing the photoshop photo, making jokes, talking about all these conspiracies . and i think there conspiracies. and i think there are a lot of people who have actually apologised for their behaviour, and it's made me look at some of the things i've said , at some of the things i've said, some of the conspiracies i've said on the television, but said not on the television, but sort talking friends and sort of talking to friends and family and all pontificating and guessing could be on guessing what could be going on within family. and within the royal family. and actually, think it's right actually, i think it's right that people think this is a woman who has served this country many years. she's country for many years. she's clearly going a personal clearly going through a personal struggle at the moment with her health. and one, am very health. and i, for one, am very happy to leave her to recover and leave her in peace. >> yeah. i mean, we last saw her in public officially on christmas day, and after she had the operation, the royal family did always say we would hear again from her at easter. so, you know, this may well have been the intention all along

that is the when they that this is the time when they made they broke up for made it, they broke up for easter. the kids today. and so they've 2 or 3 weeks to deal they've got 2 or 3 weeks to deal with it. but darren, you know, you you're very with you you're very familiar with the internet. outrage was so the internet. the outrage was so enormous. you think it enormous. do you think that it went that it is went too far that it is a lesson? >> oh, absolutely. undoubtedly. i are two things i'd i mean, there are two things i'd say to you said. first of say to what you said. first of all, we don't know the extent to which decision to announce which the decision to announce this by the this was brought about by the complete a privacy complete invasion of a privacy via hospital records. but where someone allegedly could have tampered and hacked in and tried to get a look at her medical records so she might have felt obuged records so she might have felt obliged to come forward before the american press has a leak or something of that nature to them. secondly , i'd say that them. and secondly, i'd say that actually i think those of us on on my side of the argument who are pro—monarchy, i think the monarchy is an undoubtedly a good thing. i think princess kate herself has been a phenomenal good to this country since she she was brought into the fold . and i think people

the fold. and i think people outfits that i read that i'm a fan of, i won't name names, but ought to actually do better because i think the detail that they were going through poring over that photograph, what mother hasn't. it was a foothold on borderline insanity . everyone on borderline insanity. everyone edits a photograph of themselves in this day and age. >> look, i think that it is awfully sad that the princess of wales has cancer, but i'm very relieved that she is getting the treatment that she needs. and it looks like that it was caught early, but the palace communications team cocked up so many times with this situation , many times with this situation, andifs many times with this situation, and it's given truth to the phrase it's more cock up than conspiracy. and this whole episode proves that you cannot sit here and tell me you feel that the palace communications team, since this, since the announcement of her abdominal surgery earlier on in the year , surgery earlier on in the year, has conducted themselves in the correct and proper way . yeah, correct and proper way. yeah, but the way they handled the situation directly led to the

conspiracies that have been going around on the internet that you're all fine. >> two things can be true at once. you can say that the kensington palace pr team haven't played a blinder to be, you know, very generous. and then you've i, for example, then you've got i, for example, i've the last couple of i've said it the last couple of days.i i've said it the last couple of days. i tweeted sun's story days. i tweeted the sun's story about coming out about catherine coming out windsor shop. the abuse windsor farm shop. the abuse i got, i have seen in my got, i have never seen in my life, and it actually made me think that lot of these people think that a lot of these people are very, unwell. talking are very, very unwell. talking about doubles this about body doubles this elaborate royals elaborate plan from the royals to hide kate, some even saying that kate had been, killed and they were covering for, for murdering her just absolutely insanity. >> i think i think what we've seen is the first serious clash between the very tightly controlled narratives that royal palaces have and the vacuum of social media, where utterly ludicrous , offensive claims like ludicrous, offensive claims like that can take on a life of their own . and i actually have a lot own. and i actually have a lot of respect for the princess of wales because despite that abuse, she still waited until the kids had broken up and they

could care for them for a couple of weeks to protect them. you know, is the eldest, he's know, george is the eldest, he's only but do you only ten years old. but do you think that's a sustainable strategy in this day and age? because, you know, this must have for her, guess. have been hell for her, i guess. >> i mean, it is one of the pnces >> i mean, it is one of the prices we pay for being living in a free society, that people are the most wild. are free to say the most wild. >> but i shocked at the >> but i was shocked at the crazy things. >> don't know what apart from, >> i don't know what apart from, you a of tactic you know, a change of tactic from the palace in terms of the way that they communicate with us. can't stop people from us. you can't stop people from speculating. you can't stop people things, people from saying nasty things, unfortunately. and i don't think we to necessarily we should try to necessarily in terms of, you know, more regulation making it a crime regulation or making it a crime to i was just completely to say i was just completely shocked at volume. shocked at the volume. >> darren said, as well, >> and as darren said, as well, i'm not going name names or i'm not going to name names or twitter but people twitter handles, but some people i respected i previously respected are talking codswallop talking absolute codswallop onune talking absolute codswallop online and actually seeing that video yesterday at 6 pm. as a parent, it really hit home with me because sometimes i think it's to at the royal it's easy to look at the royal family and even family and royals and even celebrities as not human. they're just characters this they're just characters in this drama plays out. and that

drama that plays out. and that video hit home that video yesterday hit home that this a mother who's going to this is a mother who's going to have tell her children have to tell her young children that but i don't that she's got. but i don't think is at stage, but think it is at this stage, but potentially fatal disease. how potentially a fatal disease. how do explain that kids? and do you explain that to kids? and it hit home that these it just hit home that these people, despite the people, despite all the privileges have, they've privileges they have, they've got same anxieties, the same got the same anxieties, the same troubles same hurdles as got the same anxieties, the same t|youles same hurdles as got the same anxieties, the same t|youles us, same hurdles as got the same anxieties, the same t|youles us, especially'dles as got the same anxieties, the same t|youles us, especially whenis , you know, us, especially when you the you consider that the grandfather has the same disease as well. >> and william is now >> right. and william is now having bear brunt, but he having to bear the brunt, but he probably thought, look, i as now that my father is king, i can spend some time with my young family. and now, of course, he's having to take up the mantle so important that the royals are actually open and honest about this sort of thing, because there are millions of people up and down country who will and down the country who will have impacted by cancer. have been impacted by cancer. >> that this >> and now we know that this also the most important also impacts the most important town country, and town in the country, too. and they're human and have the same problems like so good problems just like us. so good on them coming out and we on them for coming out and we wish them all well. >> it goes saying. >> it goes without saying. absolutely. still come absolutely. still to come tonight badenoch tonight is kemi badenoch right about tonight is kemi badenoch right abowaspi tonight is kemi badenoch right abo waspi women tonight is kemi badenoch right abowaspi women deserve a payout

the waspi women deserve a payout 7 the waspi women deserve a payout ? well, i certainly think so. but emily carver asks if but next emily carver asks if jeremy hunt is right to say £100,000 is not a huge salary and albie amankona has popped out of waitrose to tell us the answer with the saturday five live on gb news

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the saturday five, as always. cheers. very much for your company and for your emails. car. caryl. i believe that's the name. if not, i've just butchered your name, and i do profusely apologise . we are not profusely apologise. we are not talking about the union jack. should the welsh , scottish or should the welsh, scottish or irish like their flag changing? this is england. and who has sanctioned the change of the engush sanctioned the change of the english flag? well, the fa some some silly. i was about to swear there in the fa. please don't darren, i know i apologise. >> let's try and make a second year on air, neil, said i promise not to care about the changes to the england flag if benjamin promises not to be triggered by me calling a trans woman a man. well how to wedge that in? i'm just says, is it too faced to be criticised? and people on social media for speculating, gossiping and spouting ill informed opinions about whilst continuing to about kate whilst continuing to do that harry and do exactly that about harry and meghan? they need to get meghan? do they need to get cancer for your channel to drop the hypocrisy, i think in

the hypocrisy, i did think in today's papers says we must today's papers it says we must respect the royals and not speculate on the front page. thenit speculate on the front page. then it goes . and if you turn to then it goes. and if you turn to pages four, five, six and seven, you can read more about what might be wrong. >> anyway, food for >> well, anyway, food for thought, it's time for thought, right? it's time for our debate. our next debate. >> wants to go next? >> who wants to go next? >> who wants to go next? >> right? it's me. it is me now. jeremy hunt has had something to say, in the last couple of days. he that £100,000 doesn't go he said that £100,000 doesn't go very he's from . in very far where he's from. in fact, it does not. it's hard to cover your mortgage and also child care if you live where he is now. he's in surrey, which of course is an expensive part of the country in southeast england, outside of london. but i know who's going to i want to know who's going to argue with me on this one. give me your opinion, ben. do you think he's out of touch saying such a thing? £100,000 is a huge salary. is he out of touch or has he got a point? >> you need context. it >> you need some context. it depends you live , whether depends where you live, whether your partner works, how many kids you've got to look after

the bills. so for surrey, and if he's got two kids with a wife not working, it's probably not a lot of money in the grand scheme of things, if you're living in somewhere i don't know, somewhere like, i don't know, hartlepool or hartlepool and you're or, or newcastle where all the northeast, where wages are lower, cost of living is lower, and you're earning 100 k a year. yeah. then it's going to be a lot of money. of course. >> do you think it's fair that people say, oh, this is just jeremy hunt, another tory, you know, looking out of touch ' 7 m. again? >> well, man is multi—millionaire. >> like let's not that is true . >> like let's not that is true. >> like let's not that is true. >> bush right. and his lib dem opposition who by the way, he's incredibly scared of are being very vocal in saying just that this is a multi—millionaire saying 100 grand is, you know, essentially pocket change, not a lot of money. £91,000 is what we're paying mps now in every viewer that watches this channel got in touch to say how outrageous that was, given what a job they've done. now he a poorjob they've done. now he was was talking the was now he was talking in the context child care, mostly,

context of child care, mostly, and mortgage costs, which and also mortgage costs, which of course, the conservative government, argue, government, you could argue, have presided over. >> that >> and he's saying that essentially, got essentially, if you've got £100,000, someone's £100,000, if someone's earning that in a household, you that much in a household, you lose your benefits, you lose all your benefits, you lose your and your childcare benefits and allowance. those free allowance. so all of those free childcare hours, don't see childcare hours, you don't see any so as he got any of that. so as he got a point, i think it depends on your generation . your generation. >> right. because on the one hand, obviously it's far higher than average individual than the average individual income average income and even the average household income. of course household income. so of course it's relatively privileged it's a relatively privileged position. but if you're a young person the very person and you've got the very high old people, no, i'm high bashing old people, no, i'm not even mentioning, i've not said to it. yeah give said he'll get to it. yeah give me a second. and you've got today where, you know, this year rents are continuing to go up by about 9 or 10, which is way higher than inflation, triple what the inflation figures are generally, particularly in west london. exactly. yeah. indeed you've got you've got housing prices, which if you live in the capital 12 times the capital it's 12 times the average get the average salary, to get on the housing ladder. that's the kind of a house the of cost of a house at the moment. and so you've got a situation where you can be all

you can be earning what is a fantastic salary. and you fantastic salary. and once you account for rent, once you account for rent, once you account student loan account for student loan repayments, which can be many hundreds of pounds a month holidays, account for holidays, once you account for saving that house, if you saving up for that house, if you then have kids, many people then have kids, as many people in their 30s who are still waiting to get the ladder waiting to get on the ladder will be doing, waiting to get on the ladder will be doing , there really will be doing, there really isn't much money left. i would caveat with that if caveat with saying that if you're or 50 or 60, that's you're 40 or 50 or 60, that's a fabulous salary. if you paid off your reasonable mortgage. >> well, i the here >> well, i think the issue here is had inflation. is clearly we've had inflation. so £100,000 isn't covering so if £100,000 isn't covering your mortgage and childcare costs in surrey , then that's a costs in surrey, then that's a problem with economy. problem with our economy. >> is the problem with the >> what is the problem with the whole and it's whole country? and it's a problem with cost of living problem with the cost of living in country. things are too in this country. things are too just expensive. why things just expensive. why are things too because lot too expensive? because in a lot of and industries, it's of markets and industries, it's very if look very overregulated. if we look at the nursery industry, we've got the highest got some of the highest childcare costs europe childcare costs in europe because ratios are because our childcare ratios are the europe. we've the highest in europe. we've got some highest housing some of the highest housing housing prices in europe because our system is our planning system is overregulated. so it's so hard to new infrastructure, new to build new infrastructure, new houses, reservoirs, houses, new reservoirs, new

power of these power plants. so all of these things are essential to our lives are just more expensive. so if a 100 k is not enough money to live off, that's a problem in our economy. >> it is jeremy hunt's first job to look after his constituents . to look after his constituents. and if they're all struggling on 100 grand a year, then, you know, he's got to speak up for them, doesn't he? >> what's the home from 100 >> what's the take home from 100 k about, what, 6ka month is k is about, what, 6ka month is it. so it depends lot because it. so it depends a lot because if young enough if you've if you're young enough to a student loan repayment to have a student loan repayment then that can be another 600. >> okay. >> em— 5 pretty well. if >> you're doing pretty well. if you've got your student you've still got your student loan payment you're loan payment and you're on, let's do the numbers. >> get month, take home. >> you get 6ka month, take home. you're spending on you're spending three on a mortgage or rent. and that's pretty cheap. you're spending depending on how many kids you got. got kids, two got. so you've got two kids, two grand month on childcare. so grand a month on childcare. so that's five k. that leaves you with £1,000 to live off. >> lords of viewers, though, >> but lords of viewers, though, ben saying , do >> but lords of viewers, though, ben saying, do you >> but lords of viewers, though, ben saying , do you know ben will be saying, do you know what, had a grand at what, i wish i had a grand at the end of the month. yeah, but if in surrey or if you're working in surrey or london, to commute london, you've got to commute into london, you've got to commute inthhat's tube, three, £400

>> what's the tube, three, £400 a that leaves you with a month. that leaves you with £600. then you've got to buy shopping. get shopping. you can probably get by know, 50 to £100 by on, i don't know, 50 to £100 a week. do you know what the answer is? >> i think everyone should move out south. it's far too out of the south. it's far too overcrowded. anyway, let's spread around more. spread around a little more. >> the of england is >> the north of england is arguably beautiful than arguably more beautiful than the south. the up to south. i've got the train up to newcastle. neck the newcastle. your neck of the woods day. the woods the other day. the countryside didn't woods the other day. the countrappreciate didn't woods the other day. the countrappreciate it. didn't really appreciate it. >> question that we >> maybe the question that we should really, >> maybe the question that we should is really, >> maybe the question that we should is basicallyeally, >> maybe the question that we should is basically inferring jeremy, is basically inferring that £100,000 should that people over £100,000 should get some sort of benefit from the mean, should get some sort of benefit from the be mean, should get some sort of benefit from the be givingnean, should get some sort of benefit from the be giving people hould we really be giving people that earn child what earn 100 k child benefit? what is level stop child is a fair level to stop child benefit? is that £100,000? but is it lower than. >> this also comes into the >> but this also comes into the fact of middle class fact that a lot of middle class people having children fact that a lot of middle class people they having children fact that a lot of middle class people they don'tg children fact that a lot of middle class people they don't feelildren fact that a lot of middle class people they don't feel liken fact that a lot of middle class peopcanthey don't feel liken fact that a lot of middle class peopcan afford on't feel liken fact that a lot of middle class peopcan afford it.t feel liken they can afford it. >> that thought, >> holac that thought, because we that as a we will get on to that as a debate later on. >> ahead though, do we >> still ahead though, do we need to quickly compensate these waspi its kemi waspi women and its kemi badenoch right that diversity drives are ineffectual? you're with the saturday five live on

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. your emails are still flying in. thank you very much. claire says 100 k is nothing . he claire says 100 k is nothing. he probably takes home 66 after tax, which is 33 k per adult for the crap they put up with. i would rather sell my body a lot easier , a lot easier and less easier, a lot easier and less complaints . complaints. >> well claire, quite how did that get into the autocue ?

that get into the autocue? >> have i just advertised only fat freddy's written in and freddy says, hi everyone. great show as usual. thank you. freddy, your five is in the post. good to see emily back on the show. nice shirt tonight benjamin. well done. a fashion compliment i saw in the inbox. >> someone said he looked like a farmer, but okay. >> that was catty . >> well, that was catty. >> well, that was catty. >> that was catty. >> that was catty. >> anywho, i'm going to kick us off in this next section by talking about diversity. >> equity and inclusion. these initiatives right there are wasteful racket. it's been found costing taxpayers $550, £557 million. if i can speak a year , million. if i can speak a year, which ben lyle probably thinks is pocket change. >> now, i say it's about time that government have actually noficed that government have actually noticed this. >> most of these schemes are rubbish. they're full of divisive concepts like unconscious bias, white privilege, often actually privilege, and often actually make tensions worse. so these employers virtue signalling with these knee jerk dei efforts

without evidence that they work. it's shocking. and i think it's absolutely right for kemi badenoch to highlight this. but i think she could have gone further. she should actually say that we ought to highlight merit in this country. merit that we ought to highlight merit in this country . merit should in this country. merit should matter, not immutable characteristics . characteristics. >> well, look, obviously merit is very important. >> well, look, obviously merit is very important . it's is very important. it's critical. but the problem is that for so long, people from certain backgrounds, certain minority groups , certain walks minority groups, certain walks of life have not had the chance for their merit and their talent to rise to the top. and that's why i think it's so important that we have these kind of things, you know, go back 40 or 50 years and don't tell me that a woman in the office was going to get bite at the cherry to get a fair bite at the cherry to get a fair bite at the cherry to her don't to progress in her career. don't tell that 30 years ago, there tell me that 30 years ago, there weren't black people that weren't any black people that weren't any black people that were running ftse 100 were capable of running ftse 100 companies. there were companies. of course, there were people intellectually capable of that, the opportunities that, but the opportunities weren't there was weren't there because there was prejudice towards them. >> and why people, more >> and that's why people, more people minorities than

people of ethnic minorities than you think, actually you may think, actually think this tokenistic this is total tokenistic nonsense. and actually they don't progressive . i don't find it progressive. i think that, you know, it's very easy for it's very easy for white liberals to say, oh yes, we everyone we need to give everyone a helping hand the ladder and helping hand up the ladder and all through these types of all this through these types of schemes, etc, schemes, through quotas, etc, etc. actually, you talk etc. but actually, if you talk to are from ethnic to people who are from ethnic minority backgrounds, they often don't things, all don't think those things, all right, right, albie, i will right, all right, albie, i will i will give my opinion on behalf of minorities. of all ethnic minorities. >> can't in the >> well, you can't in the in the country, apparently. >> think there's >> look, i think there's truth in actually of you are in actually what both of you are saying. of this stuff is saying. some of this stuff is quite tokenistic . it saying. some of this stuff is quite tokenistic. it is saying. some of this stuff is quite tokenistic . it is quite, quite tokenistic. it is quite, you know. well, there's you know. oh, well, if there's one person in the room, one black person in the room, we've the problem. we've solved the problem. and then hand, we do then on the other hand, we do know there have know that there have historically disparities historically been disparities that need to be closed. but i do think we do have to get to a point in society where we say we have equality under the law. what more can the state actually do to solve this problem? and that's i think kemi badenoch that's why i think kemi badenoch is something is actually doing something quite because quite interesting here, because she's like she's talking about things like rainbow example . i

rainbow lanyards, for example. i think they stopped some funding for rainbow lanyards for some rainbow lanyards problem nhs the problem programme nhs in the nhs, something nhs, and it's something that a lot of groups are quite lot of lgbt groups are quite angry and would and angry about. and i would and i say them, look, i can't say say to them, look, i can't say i'm that about it because i'm that angry about it because i'm that angry about it because i i would just expect if i just, i would just expect if i go hospital or to go and go to a hospital or to go and see my gp, that they are not going homophobic, same going to be homophobic, the same way them not to be way that i expect them not to be racist. don't need my gp to racist. so i don't need my gp to wear a black lives matter symbol for me know they're not for me to know they're not racist. why would need them racist. so why would i need them to rainbow for to wear a rainbow lanyard for me to wear a rainbow lanyard for me to not homophobic? >> we have discovered, >> but ben, we have discovered, right, that £557 million of taxpayer money is being spent by the taxpayer on these dye industries, essentially to leech off the taxpayer. as a significant taxpayer, yourself , significant taxpayer, yourself, do you think that's a good use of taxpayer money? >> no, it's just all a scam. as albie has said, we've got laws now protecting this kind of thing days. benjamin was thing these days. benjamin was talking 40 years talking about 30 and 40 years ago. hello i 20, 24. we've moved. >> yeah, but how did we move on? we on because we we moved on because we recognised problem we recognised the problem and we understood that we had to level

the playing. >> i wasn't 30 40 >> i wasn't around 30 and 40 years >> i wasn't around 30 and 40 yeathe equality act is what >> the equality act is what enshrined all of this law. enshrined all of this into law. that that's been there since 2010. >> exactly . and have seen >> exactly. and we have seen a massive improvement. the number of posts, the of women in senior posts, the number ethnic minorities number of ethnic minorities running having running big businesses, having senior posts the nhs has considerably. >> i think that is a natural progression though, rather than because i diversity and because of de i diversity and inclusion exercises in workplace is i think, i think it's because this country allows people to succeed. whatever background you come from in terms of your ethnicity. but, you know, i went to school with a very diverse group, but you went to private school and they all have done extraordinarily well. their parents did extraordinarily well, , in this country. well, too, in this country. i think sometimes you're pretending like we're living decades also actually some decades and also actually some ethnic at the ethnic minorities are at the highest of industries in this country. >> and also this dei stuff isn't just about equality. and, you know, , black people and know, you know, black people and gay people. it's about absolute nonsense. for example, calling women, womb owners or birth

givers and all that kind of nonsense. it's not just about the standard kind of equality we'd expect. it's descended into an absolute farce of a, you know, it's not about that . know, it's not about that. >> it's all all the evidence says that people who are in charge, who are hiring tend to hire people who look like themselves. now, that cuts in different directions. if you have a sort of a black boss, they're likely to choose someone who like themselves who looks like themselves too. but have scenario, as but when you have a scenario, as we where the we undoubtedly did, where the vast majority posts in vast majority of senior posts in this white this country were white heterosexual men , that was heterosexual men, that was a problem that had to be overcome. and kind of diversity and and these kind of diversity and the majority of the workforce reflect the majority of the workforce isn't straight white men, white men, like men, white straight men, like you're talking the problem you're talking about the problem that solved, but that need to be solved, but a grotesque to they do grotesque thing to say, they do need solved because you need to be solved because you have inadequate white have so many inadequate white blokes senior posts blokes who get senior posts because look the part . one because they look the part. one of them prime minister, for of them was prime minister, for god's and boris johnson, of them was prime minister, for god all and boris johnson, of them was prime minister, for god all know nd boris johnson, of them was prime minister, for god all know who oris johnson, of them was prime minister, for god all know who baroness on, of them was prime minister, for god all know who baroness helena you all know who baroness helena morrissey know her. morrissey is. you must know her. of quite of course. she is quite a champion on these issues with her 5050 ball program. that's

that's not a that is just that's not a quota. that is just encouraging to get into encouraging women to get into senior positions in the city of london. would you, would you sit here if helena was on this panel? >> but i would u panel? >> but i would i would >> but i would question i would even that. >> but i would question i would evei that. >> but i would question i would evei would that. >> but i would question i would evei would evenat. >> but i would question i would evei would even question we >> i would even question why we need over 50 representation need 50 over 50 representation on, boards. is where on, on boards. this is where feminism sometimes goes wrong. they focus on this, you know, the echelons society the top echelons of society rather than issues that affect the majority of women . i the vast majority of women. i don't think most women are sitting worrying about sitting there worrying about whether the board at a ftse 100 company is has a 5050 ratio when it to representation of it comes to representation of females. it'sjust it comes to representation of females. it's just such a niche issue. >> it's not, though, because i think especially in commercial industries, you can't do a great job if you don't understand the people buying your product. so many women only brands, there are so many women only companies, right, that have emerged. >> you think that we should >> do you think that we should have those being men on have 50% of those being men on their mean, you're talking about people. >> the people that are deciding the for the barbie film the funding for the barbie film were men. the funding for the barbie film weryou men. that's of the >> you know, that's one of the things stars have things that the stars have talked real problem.

talked about, a real problem. the that the reason so the fact is that the reason so many big businesses, such many big businesses, that's such a, that's a, you know, that's that's movies not movies and film that's not really most big really relevant to most big business, especially for this country. one of the country. but look, one of the reasons of businesses reasons that lots of businesses have this, especially have embraced this, especially banks, of london, banks, the city of london, is because they know that when they have workforce, they have a diverse workforce, they have a diverse workforce, they have informed workforce. have a more informed workforce. >> agree, a more >> no, i agree, have a more representative work. >> no, i agree, have a more rep people :ive work. >> no, i agree, have a more rep people je work. >> no, i agree, have a more rep people . butork. >> no, i agree, have a more rep people . but the idea of >> people. but the idea of quotas and being complete and being told about white privilege is to get us the law. is not going to get us the law. >> because it's law. the >> it's because it's law. the people do. people have to do. >> the places way beyond >> all the places go way beyond the law. >> all the places go way beyond the benjamin, do you say the same >> benjamin, do you say the same thing the nba, which is thing about the nba, which is probably black? would you probably 90% black? would you would that? would you go over that? >> national basketball, >> the national basketball, american basketball, the top basketball league in the world or engush basketball league in the world or english more or the or the english more diverse the or the english diverse or the or the english 100 sprinters. 100 metre sprinters. >> black. have you got >> all black. have you got a problem with that? i mean, when it maybe. it comes, maybe, maybe. >> so quick. >> crazy idea so quick. >> crazy idea so quick. >> hang on, when it >> yes, but hang on, when it comes to sports, like comes to sports, it's just like it's slightly different. >> good for the >> people are just good for the job and good in their field. it doesn't 5050 yet doesn't have to be 5050 or yet you're on panel. you're still on the panel. >> yeah, well. >> yeah, well. >> i think that was a bit

>> well, i think that was a bit of a non—answer, but never mind. still we love your still ahead, we would love your questions the five. questions for ask the five. maybe ask benjamin that maybe you can ask benjamin that question again. vaiews@gbnews.com, and emily carver and albie amankona will go head to head in the saturday scrap on whether immigration is the solution to low birth rates. next up though, we'll be asking if it's time the waspi women got the payout they say they're entitled to. someone else disagrees . you're with the

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. now the jeremy hunt thinks a £100,000 is nothing to write home about . story. well, that's home about. story. well, that's got your ole. maybe not writing home, but writing in. robin says if jeremy hunt thinks a £100,000 a year isn't a lot to live on, then why is it he never upped then why is it he never upped the tax allowance in the last budget to give all the people at the bottom of the income bracket a chance to have a little bit more money in their pocket? >> that's a very good point. >> that's a very good point. >> it is him who is in charge of tax policy. >> he's it autumn. >> he's saving it for autumn. >> he's saving it for autumn. >> i thought were going to >> i thought you were going to say saving up. numbers have say he's saving up. numbers have never point. and never been our strong point. and simon to simon says, tell your panel to sort . £100,000 a sort their maths out. £100,000 a yearis sort their maths out. £100,000 a year is not 6ka month. it's nearer eight k, is that right? >> no . >> no. >> no. >> no. >> no way. >> no way. >> well, simon. >> well, simon. >> well, simon. >> well it is before taxes and national insurance after tax. >> it's around six k. >> it's around six k. >> all right.

>> all right. >> well let's put it into the income tax calculator guys. >> let's move on. >> we need to get carol vorderman . although politically vorderman. although politically i she's do that i doubt she's going to do that any time soon. >> we're besties actually. >> we're besties actually. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> how are know. right. >> how are you know. right. anyway to finish. anyway who's going to finish. >> to finish. and >> i'm going to finish. and actually going be actually we're going to be talking about money. so the parliamentary ombudsman has found must women, found that there must be women, the against pensioner the women against pensioner inequality group are actually in fact owed between 1000 and £3000 in compensation because of mal communications. the inability of the government to communicate the government to communicate the changes in the pension age from 60 to 65. but is this a good way to spend taxpayer money? is there an actual injustice which has happened here? the sun's kelvin mackenzie doesn't think so . here's him doesn't think so. here's him earlier on this week on dewbs& co >> oh, we shouldn't give them a penny. we should say how sorry we are that they failed to understand that in 1995, the government of the day said that in in 15 years time , after 15

in in 15 years time, after 15 years, we're going to, equalise pensions entirely appropriately and in 2010, 15 years later, along came cameron and he said , along came cameron and he said, we're doing it. the fact is that these women failed to follow this right is their responsibility . responsibility. >> so do you think kelvin is right, ben? leo, no , i think right, ben? leo, no, i think it's another government. >> government cock up. we've had contaminated blood. we've had the post office scandal and countless others . when this countless others. when this happens, government needs to happens, the government needs to just and sort these just own up to it and sort these women they want up to ten women out. they want up to ten k each.i women out. they want up to ten k each. i think the government is suggesting maybe two k. >> e’- >> yeah, it's 2950. >> yeah, it's 2950. >> if they're lucky, >> yeah. if they're lucky, which, you know, these women got to retirement age. were getting ready to get their their gardening gloves out and get busy in the garden. and then they're they to work they're told they have to work for another five, six years. that's so them for another five, six years. tha money so them for another five, six years. tha money they so them for another five, six years. tha money they want them for another five, six years. tha money they want because m the money they want because you're spending on you're spending £1 million on muslim memorials. muslim war memorials. you're spending £37 billion and spending £37 billion on test and trace , apps that don't work. the trace, apps that don't work. the

amount of varne and all the testing, the amount of government waste. first of all, you need to address this would cost if they got £10,000 each, because £36 billion. >> fine. >> fine. >> cocked f- e cocked up the >> you've cocked up the government's cocked up £36 billion. pay pay the contaminated victims pay contaminated blood victims pay the post office victims. pay every victim of government every other victim of government cock when take cock up when and take responsibility know responsibility for it. you know what? responsibility for it. you know what don't like it when young >> i don't like it when young people here say, oh , i people sit here and say, oh, i would have known that the pension age was changing. oh, i would have known. i would have listened to the government. i would have seen on you know, whatever the letter that came through once at all, through with me once at all, there women saying they there are women saying that they did that this change did not know that this change was action at this was coming into action at this time. may think they time. you may not think they deserve compensation that, deserve compensation for that, but them as if but don't treat them as if they're stupid. but you know but don't treat them as if theyhave stupid. but you know but don't treat them as if theyhave known d. but you know but don't treat them as if theyhave known these you know but don't treat them as if theyhave known these women)w , to have known these women aren't stupid. >> think all the women did aren't stupid. >> attention the women did aren't stupid. >> attention will women did aren't stupid. >> attention will probably did aren't stupid. >> attention will probably be did pay attention will probably be more you . all the more annoyed than you. all the ones that did finance that, that did account it in their did account for it in their financial planning into retirement, be asking retirement, they'll be asking compensation . they'll be asking compensation. they'll be asking why women the

why the other women didn't. the ones complaining and ones that are complaining and look, know, i'm sorry, but look, you know, i'm sorry, but we're quite it will we're all quite young. it will probably be in our 70s, the retirement the time we retirement age. by the time we reach that point. so i just don't much sympathy for don't have much sympathy for people who complaining. the people who are complaining. the women complaining women who are complaining they couldn't at 62, a very couldn't retire at 62, a very handsome pension. >> having with having >> they're having with having paid off their house. >> in most cases that is worth a fortune compared to what they bought these had bought women. these people had a fantastic deal in life. but isn't that a fair point, darren? and actually, is talking and actually, no one is talking about. should have about. maybe there should have been some compensation for the men had to work an extra men that had to work an extra five years for the whole time that was an inequality in that there was an inequality in the pension age. it was 60 the state pension age. it was 60 for women, 65 men. don't the for women, 65 for men. don't the men that were working for the extra five years that extra five years during that penod extra five years during that period compensation ? period deserve compensation? >> well, i think it should >> well, look, i think it should have been to be have always been equal, to be honest. right don't don't honest. right i don't i don't agree with at all. but agree with that at all. but i would say though, that i really i find i don't i think the men should have worked, should work longer and they still should ask a lot of women, women do so

much. >> women do so much. >> women do so much. >> men of that generation were they bear your children . they they bear your children. they bear your children breaking their they bear your their backs. they bear your children . children. >> of those men who worked longer be happy so, longer would be happy to do so, because back you had because back then you had a generation they respected generation where they respected women. stayed at home. generation where they respected womewell, stayed at home. generation where they respected womewell, yeah, stayed at home. generation where they respected womewell, yeah, they red at home. generation where they respected womewell, yeah, they accepted ne. they. well, yeah, they accepted that. out to work. that. the man goes out to work. and even i mean, it's a rarity today. but they were happy today. but they they were happy with i don't think they with that. i don't think they were, know. with that. i don't think they were, what ow. with that. i don't think they were, what what does i think >> but what what does i think not sit comfortably me at not sit comfortably with me at all entitlement point of all is the entitlement point of view, benjamin, because look all is the entitlement point of vieolder njamin, because look all is the entitlement point of vieolder people because look all is the entitlement point of vieolder people whoause look all is the entitlement point of vieolder people who expected.ook all is the entitlement point of vieolder people who expected to k at older people who expected to get that money to be able to retire, who've worked all their life and actually done a proper job, you know, not sitting pontificating on a television or writing some newspaperjob. writing for some newspaper job. >> have done darren? yeah, exactly. >> i had, but i'm not the one looking at older people and saying them, that saying to them, i mean, that they don't deserve what they were to. were entitled to. >> but first of all, your party took they weren't took away from they weren't entitled to this. >> that's the whole point. they just to take account of just failed to take account of what had been told them. what had been told to them. >> lot of pensioners today

>> a lot of pensioners today were working from 14, were working from the age of 14, right? except people now right? except that people now don't about 23. don't work. they're about 23. >> length of time will >> the length of time that will be, don't don't this be, i don't i don't accept this argument oh, argument when people say, oh, i've since was i've been working since i was youngen i've been working since i was younger, just because i'm young now. time i'm 70, will now. by the time i'm 70, i will have been working i was have been working since i was younger well. that's not younger as well. that's not going me that i'm going to make me feel that i'm entitled the entitled to something from the state. because state. i don't think because i pay state. i don't think because i pay taxes i am entitled to something from. but you're saying that no, no, i'm sorry, but benjamin's turning around and saying, oh, well, my student. >> no, but sorry. this >> no, no, but i'm sorry. this is is a part of the is this is a part of the population that disproportionately gets lot disproportionately gets a lot of pubuc disproportionately gets a lot of public on the nhs, on public funding on the nhs, on social care. >> you'll need it you'll need >> you'll need it to you'll need it to. >> i know i will, but the point is they get a lot. so i think what benjamin is trying to say is this the is why is this group, the population that gets a lot of pubuc population that gets a lot of public already paid in public funding already paid in a lot, actually if lot, that's why. but actually if you you look at the you look at if you look at the facts it's young people facts and it's more young people do the facts, it is do look at the facts, it is evident that this generation, the boomers, will the ones the baby boomers, will take more than any other take out more than any other generation that ever existed generation that has ever existed or is expected to exist in the

near future. >> so will you. >> so will you. >> when you say no , no, no, the >> when you say no, no, no, the whole point. >> whole point is that >> no, the whole point is that our will not take out our generation will not take out anything like much what they anything like as much what they have their have gained from their investment the state is out have gained from their in\order,ent the state is out have gained from their imorder, because state is out have gained from their imorder, because peoples out have gained from their imorder, because people don't of order, because people don't seem to be waspi. >> stop come. >> tonight we'll be discussing the hate crime bill the scotland hate crime bill emily hand albee will head to emily hand albee will go head to head scrap head in the saturday scrap and we'll questions we'll answer your questions in asda watching asda five. you're watching the saturday gb news saturday five live on gb news >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boiler oilers, sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello! >> hello! >> here's your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. we saw a very unsettled day on saturday with lots of showers around, things showers around, but things look quieter for sunday. drier, brighter lighter winds to brighter with lighter winds to low pressure is anchored towards the that brought the the north—east. that brought the very blustery north westerly airstream. of showers on airstream. lots of showers on saturday, a little ridge of high pressure though moving in from the and does promise the west, and that does promise to quieten down as we go

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i'm sam francis. the headlines at 7:00, the russian president is continuing to link ukraine to last night's attack at a concert venuein last night's attack at a concert venue in moscow, which we understand killed at least 143 people. kyiv have described russia's apparent attempt to blame ukraine as absolutely untenable and absurd. neither vladimir putin nor the fsb have so far presented any proof of that link with ukraine. meanwhile, the united states has strongly condemned the attack , strongly condemned the attack, with the us intelligence services saying they believe it was carried out by a branch of the islamic state terror group in a statement to the nation, president putin said terrorists can expect punishment and condemned what he called the barbaric attack . barbaric attack. >> all the executors, planners and those who ordered this crime will be rightfully and inevitably punished. whoever they are and whoever directed them. let me repeat we will identify and punish everyone who stood behind the terrorists who

prepared this attack against russia, against our people . russia, against our people. >> meanwhile, ukraine is working to restore power supplies across the country after the biggest russian attack on its power grid. this, for those watching on tv , was the moment that on tv, was the moment that russian forces struck the country's largest dam in. rishi sunak. country's largest dam in. rishi sunak . what that attack killed sunak. what that attack killed at least five people and put europe's biggest nuclear station at risk . it europe's biggest nuclear station at risk. it comes as more than 30,000 civilians have now been killed in ukraine since russia's invasion. president zelenskyy is calling for urgent international assistance, saying that russian terrorism is only possible because he says ukraine lacks modern air defence systems. back here in the uk, the king is hoping to attend the royal family's traditional easter sunday service in what's likely to be his first public appearance after the princess of wales revealed she had cancer. kate, william and their three children, though we understand,

will not attend next week's service after princess katherine revealed she is undergoing preventative chemotherapy. in an emotional video message on fri day. >> friday. >> it has been an incredibly tough couple of months for our entire family, but i've had a fantastic medical team who have taken great care of me, for which i'm so grateful . in which i'm so grateful. in january, i underwent major abdominal surgery in london, and at the time it was thought that my condition was non—cancerous . my condition was non—cancerous. the surgery was successful, however, tests after the operation found cancer had been present . my medical team present. my medical team therefore advised that i should undergo a course of preventative chemotherapy, and i'm now in the early stages of that treatment . early stages of that treatment. >> lord cameron has joined leaders around the world praising the princess of wales for what he's called her remarkable strength. after she made that announcement on friday. and we've also been speaking to people on the streets of birmingham who've been sharing their well—wishes to future queen.

been sharing their well—wishes to 1quite queen. been sharing their well—wishes to 1quite shocking, really. >> it's quite shocking, really. she's young kids, she's she's got young kids, she's got a think that's a family. i think that's probably more upsetting probably the more upsetting thing about everything. the pubuc thing about everything. the public things doesn't public eye on things doesn't really minute, really matter at the minute, does really matter at the minute, doei think it was a brave >> i think it was a brave decision i think they'll decision and i think they'll just people's minds to just awaken people's minds to a troublesome cancer is and to be checked out themselves. >> yeah. it's very shocking, really. and obviously you know, it's 1 in 2 really. and obviously you know, it's1 in 2 people are getting it's 1 in 2 people are getting cancer now. so i think we all should be a little bit more respectful and just let her get on with it. and you know, to recover family and just recover with the family and just lay a little bit. you lay off her a little bit. you know, i think she has a lot of scrutiny over the last few weeks. scrutiny over the last few weeand news tonight >> and some sad news tonight that crime campaigner that knife crime campaigner richard the richard taylor has died at the age of 75 after his long battle with prostate cancer . his ten with prostate cancer. his ten year old son, damilola, was killed in 2000, in what became one of britain's highest profile crimes. posting on social media, the home secretary praised mr taylor's determination in the face of what he called huge personal tragedy. well, that loss to led richard and his late

wife gloria, setting up a trust aimed at supporting disadvantaged young people. he said his son's death was the result of enormous problems in society , but that he wanted his society, but that he wanted his legacy to be one of hope. and as we mentioned in the last hour, a boy aged 12 has been arrested after a teenage girl was stabbed in kent. that incident happened. we understand shortly before 4:00 yesterday afternoon, police are now urging anyone with information, including cctv footage or video, to come forward . and in cheltenham, forward. and in cheltenham, police are urgently searching for three missing siblings who are subject to a court order that prevents them from being in the care of their parents three year old paulie, five year old joleen and eight year old betsy were last seen with their mother on friday, but their whereabouts is now unknown . gloucestershire is now unknown. gloucestershire force say they are concerned for the children's welfare , and the children's welfare, and they're asking anyone with information to contact them

immediately. we and finally, more than 80 pubs, clubs and sports centres across the country will receive a funding boost to help keep their doors open. it's part of the government's levelling up programme , which aims to create programme, which aims to create jobs and to support communities among the local businesses, benefiting from £33 million of investment will be a pub much loved music venue in newport and the shrewsbury arms in kingstone , which will get help replacing its roof. and of course , the its roof. and of course, the curtains will rise again at the edinburgh filmhouse, two years after it was forced to close following a campaign backed by actors ewen bremner and brian cox . the independent cinema will cox. the independent cinema will get a funding boost worth around one point £5,000,000,000 million. those are the headlines. for more, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the code on your screen, or go to gb news .com/ alerts .

alerts. >> it's still saturday night and you're still with the saturday five. you're still with the saturday five.thank you're still with the saturday five. thank you very much. i'm darren grimes, and i can promise that you're in for a very lively next hour. going to get next hour. we're going to get some now. jill's written some emails. now. jill's written in. good evening jill. she says benjamin to do some benjamin needs to do some research. 30 years ago, i, as a humble female, a real one, was running . he doesn't know what running. he doesn't know what that is. jill love was running the it department of a large company in london. it was all to do with expertise and confidence. and no, i didn't wander in waving a bit of degree papenl wander in waving a bit of degree paper. i didn't to uni. i paper. i didn't go to uni. i went out and i worked my way up the well said. jill. mac the ladder. well said. jill. mac has written in mac says good old benjamin, talk and write us all about benjamin . diversity, about benjamin. diversity, inclusion equity does inclusion and equity does nothing they are nothing but prove that they are out to divide the country. what he says just proves that the right person for a job is to down a tick box exercise, and not the best person for the job. it's nonsense. that's why benjamin has been out and bought

so many of iceland's hot cross buns, because they got rid of the cross . they now have a tick. the cross. they now have a tick. and says , as one of the and denise says, as one of the waspi women, i'm now 65. of course we are entitled to compensation . that's from the compensation. that's from the age of 16. in 1975, i started work paying national insurance from the start. so did i. 50 years with the promise of a pension at 60. you didn't have that, did you? >> i started paying national insurance at 16, working in a call centre. i tell you what, i'll be a lot older than 60 before i claim i should go back to that call centre. >> oh. >> oh. >> imagine picking up the phone. here i am, five years on. can't get job due to ageism with get a job due to ageism with a range of good work experience on cv which probably benjamin butterworth doing the hiring. >> you like to apologise >> would you like to apologise to people ? no. you've to these people? no. you've upset lot people tonight. upset a lot of people tonight. i'm actually . you i'm being serious, actually. you have actually. have been a disgrace, actually. >> . quite frankly, >> quite frankly. quite frankly, i think the waspi women are millennials like me. an apology when they're trying to take more money out of the public purse,

while people, young can't while people, young people can't even kids or get even afford to have kids or get housing, aren't bloody working. >> what? >> you know what? >> you know what? >> need to speak that call >> i need to speak to that call centre, because think you centre, because i think you learn of your, yes, i did, learn a lot of your, yes, i did, i did telesales car and bike. >> you're definitely using >> yeah, you're definitely using those skills, i think. >> okay. right. i'm >> okay, okay, okay. right. i'm going talk you now about going to talk to you now about the who've gone the scottish police who've gone completely with this new completely bonkers with this new hate that they've got hate crime act that they've got coming on april the coming into force on april the first. couldn't make up. first. you couldn't make it up. they've actual hate they've got an actual hate monster cartoon warning folks that criminals that they could become criminals at any moment. apparently, we're all just one bad day away from committing a hate crime. according to the snp's orwellian thought police. i'll tell you what orwell in his grave what george orwell in his grave must be spinning thinking why didn't that and write didn't i think of that and write that down? it's an absolute disgrace to talk more about this and what's going happen. and what's going to happen. we've a comedian because he we've got a comedian because he comes cheap and it is of course, leo kearse leo, thank you very much for your company. >> good to be here. i've just got to correct you on one thing. the scottish police didn't bring this it was the snp

this through. it was the snp humza in particular. he humza yousaf in particular. he was justice minister when the bill formulated . the bill was formulated. the scottish police federation have actually out against this actually spoken out against this bill because they say it moves from criminalising deeds to criminalising thought. and that's that's a huge issue . i that's that's a huge issue. i mean, this bill is so vaguely worded, basically, if anybody perceives anybody else as stirring up hatred based on, based on somebody's protected characteristics, which are, which are gender identity, race, age, things like that, then they can they can they can be guilty of committing a hate crime . but of committing a hate crime. but there doesn't have to be a victim. there doesn't have to be any evidence. in fact, the guidance given to the police says, says evidence isn't isn't required at all. and you shouldn't for evidence . shouldn't push for evidence. it's all based on the perception in the head of the person reporting it. all this means is that there's to be loads that there's going to be loads of accusations of hate of malicious accusations of hate crime, because it can't it crime, because it can't be. it can't be proven or disproven.

>> benjamin butterworth says he's already filed one about you. so, you know, good luck returning north of the border. but you're right, though the police readily admit, right, that they'll be making subjective decisions about what you can and can't see, which in other words, means that they can arrest on a whim. arrest you on a whim. essentially, an essentially, for an interpretation of what the legislation is. but, leo, could you explain comedians as you explain why comedians as plays and performances, they could actually be targeted under what i deem as a legislative monstrosity? >> yeah, well, the politicians in scotland were keen. well, the well, the bill was being formulated. they said, oh no, we're not going to, we're not going to target plays, we're not going to target plays, we're not going to target comedians. but the training being given the training that's being given to police that the hate to the police says that the hate speech can occur on stage as part of a performance. you know , part of a performance. you know, somebody could misgender cinderella, maybe , cinderella, you know, maybe, maybe a comedian says, why did the chicken cross the road ? and the chicken cross the road? and that's offensive to a vegan. so, you know, anything can be can be

seen as, as and obviously as comedians, you're always pushing against, sort of sensible cities. you're pushing against what the, you know, what is seen as acceptable. so, so it's going to be incredibly difficult. >> the snp have such low expectations or low thoughts of their own population to think that they need this type of legislation to control the rampant hate. >> yeah, exactly. exactly. there's this idea in the snp that scotland is this land of bigots, just, you know, chomping at the bit to, you know, commit hate crimes and be racist and all the rest of it. that's an absolute nonsense. scotland is a very warm and welcoming country. i'm that it's got i'm surprised that it's got a government that hates it so much. in fact, the only real much. and in fact, the only real hatred, the hatred that you see in scotland is from the snp towards english people and towards english people and towards tories. >> yeah, i mean, benjamin, you must even look at this law and think that actually there is a bigotry by the snp here because it's clearly aimed to target

those pesky, socially disadvantaged, white working class blokes and their horrible views. >> well, no, because i think that's really insulting to suggest that white working class people somehow hold bigoted views. >> i think you've put your foot in it there, ben benjamin i don't know, benjamin. >> that's exactly what the what the, the video that was put out to publicise the hate crime act. that's exactly what the snp said. the hate and what police scotland said. they said this is targeted at young white men from, from underprivileged backgrounds . they're basically backgrounds. they're basically saying white working class men are , racist and bigoted and need are, racist and bigoted and need to be muzzled by the government actually say that. yes, it literally specifically said that, gosh, look, you know, leo, i don't know why you're so against things like trans self id because you continue to self—identify as a comedian despite that diatribe now. oh wow. i haven't heard that a million times before. from you. jesus. you need you need to write some new jokes. or maybe try writing one joke. write some new jokes. or maybe try you ng one joke. write some new jokes. or maybe try you muste joke. write some new jokes. or maybe try you must understand that hate

>> you must understand that hate is the most oppressive thing that can happen in a society. >> do you not recognise that what this law that the scottish is the most oppressive thing in a society? >> maybe for you, maybe the worst thing that happens to you is somebody says, what is like somebody says, what about horrible stinky about your horrible stinky clothes, in a real clothes, man in a real oppressive society, people get, people get beaten, people get killed. >> look at navalny in russia. look at look at the women in iran and all these other regimes that you probably support because you're left wing. >> know what? >> do you know what? >> do you know what? >> think the >> i don't think the revolutionary guard or is revolutionary guard or putin is a marker of a society that a great marker of a society that succeeding. what you need to explain i've been a explain to me, i've been a victim a hate crime, and victim of a hate crime, and i managed to get a conviction. someone to stab me someone threatened to stab me for being gay on train. for being gay on a train. i said, how did you know i was gay?it said, how did you know i was gay? it was mystery to this gay? it was a mystery to this day, the fact is that all day, but the fact is that all they got is £400 fine. so i they got is a £400 fine. so i think right hate crime think it's right that hate crime laws up because laws are toughened up because victims me have had victims like me have had pathetic consequences the perpetrator. >> that's just a hate crime. >> that's not just a hate crime. that's a crime. you threaten to stab someone. it's a crime

that's proper crime. that's that's a proper crime. that's not thought. that's a proper crime. that's notyeah.ught. that's a proper crime. that's not sorry ught. that's a proper crime. that's not sorry that. that's a proper crime. that's not sorry that happened to you, >> sorry that happened to you, benjamin leo. >> sorry that happened to you, berdo1in leo. >> sorry that happened to you, berdo you leo. >> sorry that happened to you, berdo you not leo. >> sorry that happened to you, berdo you not understand that >> do you not understand that you to the kind of you have to tackle the kind of bigotry that still exists in scottish society? >> that still exists >> the bigotry that still exists in society? in scottish society? >> my god, oh my god, where's >> oh my god, oh my god, where's where's the where's the. >> that guy's fine. >> i'll pay. that guy's fine. >> i'll pay. that guy's fine. >> can we see the hate? >> can we see the hate? >> oh pay that guys . i think >> oh pay that guys. i think we've actually got hate. >> okay, that guy's fine . >> okay, that guy's fine. >> okay, that guy's fine. >> it looks like a. >> it looks like a. >> is the hate monster. it >> this is the hate monster. it looks a bit phallic, to be honest. >> looks like, i don't know what yours like, i hope not. >> good grief guys , but this is >> good grief guys, but this is the hate monster. >> so what has that got to do with white working class men? just. >> oh, no, that wasn't the actual video. that was just the hate monster itself. but the video, it's leo. did they end up taking the video down? >> end up taking the >> they did end up taking the video down because, because people was people thought it was a bit silly to be advertising something using, you something for adults using, you know , using something that looks know, using something that looks like it's for, it's for children. and, know, they've children. and, you know, they've drastically misjudged public

drastically misjudged the public mood. seeing you mood. i think we're seeing you know, left wing governments around to around the world starting to starting to crumble as it's revealed that they're so out of touch with what the people actually want. varadkar just just resign in ireland as just had to resign in ireland as a right wing, disastrous referendum comes . referendum comes. >> right. >> right. >> we're going to have to, we'll have to end it there. but i think , you know, i think this think, you know, i think this act really terrifying for act really is terrifying for free speech and for democracy itself, frankly. but leo, what have you got coming up on your show? >> so 8 pm. tonight, tune in for saturday showdown. for the saturday night showdown. i've got putin is woke. i've i've got why putin is woke. i've got the craziest story i've ever seen. it's a grown man . seen. it's a grown man. terrifying children in a women's changing room and. and a woman, took a photo of him and complained to the staff at the front desk in the gym, and she had her. had her membership banned. yeah, but, leo, the share price has tanked. >> they've lost about 600 million, haven't they? >> yep . that's that's absolutely >> yep. that's that's absolutely right. it's another go go broke. absolute >> all right. we look forward to

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gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. as always . cheers. very five. as always. cheers. very much for all your emails about tonight's topics . it's burning tonight's topics. it's burning in my hand with rage . everyone in my hand with rage. everyone is absolutely hating on benjamin. or are they ? brendan's benjamin. or are they? brendan's written in and brendan says benjamin. good on you, young man. sticking in there, being picked on by the panel on your right . is picked on by the panel on your right. is that picked on by the panel on your right . is that literally all? right. is that literally all? no, but i agree with everything you say, so keep it up. >> i did write that email myself. >> then judith says, and judith , >> then judith says, and judith, i'm sending you fiver in the post. i am disgusted by the discussion going on about the 50s women and have turned it off. they don't get it that we were not notified. i did. one of your younger panel members says we shouldn't get anything. he went on about having to work

till he's maybe 70. he already knows that. we didn't know that. and ian duncan smith told the dw and pensions ministers not to tell us. but beverley said, i definitely knew in 1995 i wouldn't get my pension at 60. i was able to prepare . how was was able to prepare. how was this fact missed by a lot of women ? a few views there. i'm women? a few views there. i'm sorry. she switched off though. ihope sorry. she switched off though. i hope she comes back. >> hope she's come back. maybe she was just joking. >> yes. now it's time for tonight's main event. we've got her the studio. no, i choked , her in the studio. no, i choked, if you think could get a bit if you think you could get a bit testy when rishi and keir go head to head at pmqs. well, you ain't seen nothing yet. we want to discuss new research which suggests falling birth rates in the kingdom will leave the united kingdom will leave the united kingdom will leave the country reliant on immigration for the next 80 years. who better to tackle that than i'll be the cobra amankona and he's going to take on the stakeknife emily carver second.

so it's round one. ding ding. >> well, look, i am a realist . >> well, look, i am a realist. i'm not going to tell you what you want to hear. i'm going to tell you what you need to hear. emily carver. we can't take the world. we can't take the world. we've to the world as we've got to take the world as it how like to it is, not how we would like to see the simple fact of see it. and the simple fact of the matter british people the matter is, british people aren't enough children to aren't having enough children to sustain . ian. sustain the population. ian. this comes after a groundbreaking report the groundbreaking report from the medical journal the lancet earlier on this that said earlier on this week that said that birth rates will that falling birth rates will mean that the united kingdom has to rely on migration until at least year 2100. now that is least the year 2100. now that is simply the only way that we can sustain our economy unless we increase our birth rates. otherwise we'll end up like japan with a shrinking population and ageing population. and that, emily, is economic disaster. >> well, firstly, since when do we take one report as gospel? many things can change in the time between now and 2100, i would hope. i think you would agree with that . second, what's

agree with that. second, what's happened to one of the main dufies happened to one of the main duties of the government? if people aren't having children in this country, they need to ask the question why? rather than relying on immigration, which is already at a record high, if immigration was the answer, then we'd all be sitting pretty because we've had millions and millions of millions added to our population, still our population, and we still have these issues. so clearly it is not the silver bullet that we need. is not the silver bullet that we need . and i've heard you many a need. and i've heard you many a times, albie, talk about how it's important for the government to have pro—natalist policy , which means policies policy, which means policies that encourage people to have children make it easier to children and make it easier to have children. so focus have children. so why not focus on that rather than always pulling the lever of immigration? >> ian. >> ian. >> but what i'm saying is, is that we need both. we can't expect a pro—natal policy to come out next year, and then all of a sudden, people our age are going to start children. going to start having children. this to something going to start having children. this takes to something going to start having children. this takes time. something which takes time. >> hang on, one of the one >> but hang on, one of the one of the main reasons. >> no, i'll one the >> no, no, i'll be one of the main reasons. >> going to need >> we're going to need immigration gaps

immigration to plug the gaps because not enough because we're not having enough children ourselves. >> the main reasons >> but one of the main reasons why people aren't having children, if you actually ask women men why they're women and men alike why they're not having is because not having children is because of of housing, and of the cost of housing, and it is absolutely undeniable that immigration has added pressure on housing costs. well, i would say to you, yes, let's build housing. but that's not going to happen overnight either. and i think the government should focus first and foremost on british people and trying to solve their problems, rather than just constantly rely on immigration. >> but immigration is solving british people's problems. this is the point that i'm making because if we did not have immigration to plug the fact that we that we are not having children at the rate of replacement, we'd even more. >> well, hang on, hang on. >> well, hang on, hang on. >> i think one of the >> no, i think one of the biggest problems and we were just before in news just hearing before in the news bulletins, so young bulletins, is that so many young people not working. people are simply not working. so just relying on so instead of just relying on immigration, because let's remember, immigrants get old too, and they have children and

dependents and everything else, which of course costs the state. maybe we should focus on making it easier in that way. >> all right. okay, let's open it now to all of us and email it up now to all of us and email in who do you think won that one? >>i one? >> i assume you're i was almost expecting a bell to go off there. it was very good. >> ding ding ding. there we are. >> ding ding ding. there we are. >> you must be in the albie camp, i assume, benjamin. >> i mean, i'm kind of between both of you because we have a rapidly falling birth rate that is likely to continue to go down. you know, it's about 1.4 at the moment, and you'd need 2.1 if we're replicating our current population. and i think that's a real problem because we can't dare i mention them can't pay. dare i mention them again for our old age care for our pension costs. so that's a big issue. and i think it is beneficial if we could get that number up. but you also have the reality that there is finite resource on this planet. and i think we're increasingly being confronted by the reality that there only so much food , only there is only so much food, only so much only so much so much space, only so much land. actually it would make

land. and actually it would make a more sense to reorganise a lot more sense to reorganise where this planet live where people on this planet live . one of the major problems that we're going have the next we're going to have in the next century , if much sooner than century, if not much sooner than that, change. big that, is climate change. big parts of the world will not be habitable as they are now, and so we should want mike saying that should just give even that we should just give up even wanting to have children and just pop global population. >> england isn't just a piece of land. >> i'm not saying that nobody should have children. >> of course i'm not. i think people should have children, but we much . i people should have children, but we much. i think we we would be much. i think we would be much better off as a planet. it would be more sustainable, more if we sustainable, more logical if we could people around and could move people around and stop being obsessed with borders. >> i'm sorry. it's basically seriously, are you actually. >> are you actually. yes benjamin. you don't you don't actually believe that you do not believe that you don't believe in the nation state. >> you want open borders. >> you want open borders. >> do you think this country would be this country if we had open , not open borders? open borders, not open borders? >> want to know who >> because you want to know who is but the is coming in and out, but the fact are parts of fact is that there are parts of this world, there parts of

this world, there are parts of this world, there are parts of this world, there are parts of this world where people live right are going to be right now that are going to be too they're not going to be too hot. they're not going to be habitable. not going to too hot. they're not going to be habit the�*. not going to too hot. they're not going to be habitthe resource not going to too hot. they're not going to be habitthe resource nodevelop:o have the resource to develop enough already have the resource to develop enougthat, already have the resource to develop enougthat, you already have the resource to develop enougthat, you know, already have the resource to develop enougthat, you know, take eady have the resource to develop enougthat, you know, take the! know that, you know, take the place want to live. place where you want to live. dubai everything is inside. they have biggest have the world's biggest mall because outside. >> be fair. >> be fair. >> benjamin know better >> benjamin would know better than spends most than us because he spends most of life travelling to these of his life travelling to these hot countries. of his life travelling to these hot cou always been hot in of his life travelling to these hot coualways been hot in dubai >> it's always been hot in dubai in east. what's your point? >> nothing like as it is >> nothing like as hot as it is at moment. the fact that at the moment. the fact is that we has go back to the we have it has go back to the roman warming period. >> either have. >> you can either have. >> you can either have. >> the fact is you can >> sorry. the fact is you can either have migration crisis or a management. a migration management. >> talking >> you're sitting here talking about and having about climate change and having open moving open borders and people moving across fashion. to be uncontrolled fashion. to be honest, that already uncontrolled fashion. to be hoinst, that already uncontrolled fashion. to be hoin england that already uncontrolled fashion. to be hoin england and that already uncontrolled fashion. to be hoin england and inat already uncontrolled fashion. to be hoin england and in the .ready uncontrolled fashion. to be hoin england and in the ukdy in in england and in the uk we've got 45,000 people a year coming boats. don't coming on small boats. we don't know are. so know who the hell they are. so we've that already. and we've got that already. and emily's right. you've we've got that already. and emiit's right. you've we've got that already. and emiit's simple ght. you've we've got that already. and emiit's simple supplyyou've we've got that already. and emiit's simple supply and ve got it's simple supply and demand, not enough demand, you've got not enough houses, nowhere to house people yet. a city the size yet. you've got a city the size of coming here every of birmingham coming here every two people, and two years, 700,000 people, and you to have kids you expect people to have kids when have, can't find when they can't have, can't find anywhere live . it's

anywhere to live. it's a disgrace. >> you're dad, right? how how >> you're a dad, right? how how would say you to would you say that? you need to go about actually encourage go about to actually encourage people emily or whoever? people like emily or whoever? hey, don't me just hey, don't pick me out just because woman . because i'm a woman. >> you couldn't bear some children. >> well, good luck. >> well, good luck. >> know, i box. >> you know, i box. >> you know, i box. >> i tell you what you do, you go out for dinner, you have a few drinks, you go home, you get frisky with each other, and you just have kids, and you just stop. how do you pay for the kids? >> i was talking to a lady from pregnant, then screwed on another earlier this week. >> why on earth it's that it is a campaign group about the cost of when you have children of living when you have children and way , listen to and she find a way, listen to this statistic, which i think you'll find it shocking. >> me research >> she told me that research that her organisation done that her organisation had done found 52% abortions in found that 52% of abortions in the kingdom. do you know the united kingdom. do you know why they happen? because having children expensive . these children is so expensive. these people don't feel that they are financially able not to have an abortion. >> i hope that campaign group is actually helping women, because it it's it doesn't sound like it's putting you on selling.

>> put me off. it's not shocking. >> that statistic just no, i can't. >> sorry, abby. people children, people in much more deprived positions in years and years ago have had children and they've found a way. >> they have found a way. single mothers with multiple jobs. you're not persuading. >> hang on, hang on. >> hang on, hang on. >> for so long, the lesson was that you don't want irresponsible parenting , that irresponsible parenting, that you shouldn't have kids at 16 or whatever, because you can't raise them, and so you can't have it both ways. >> this crisis of humanity. >> this is a crisis of humanity. elon says elon musk says elon musk says elon musk says it. it's the greatest it. it's the it's the greatest threat to humanity, above threat to humanity, even above so—called we are so—called climate change. we are not having enough children. japan. if their birth rate continues over the next 70 years, there will be no japanese people. that's not some some far fetched assessment. it's fact. italy's birth rate is in the gutter, the uk's birth rate. but can i just say to you, japan is a great example because they have of the largest, have one of the largest, percentages of elderly pension age population and they have very low immigration and their economy has been struggling for

decades because of that yourself. >> it needs pensioners. >> it needs pensioners. >> it needs immigrants to get the i wonder , though, in the the i wonder, though, in the case of japan, whether that will change. >> and this is just a phase that that country is going through. and perhaps government or culturally changes will happen and the birth rate will go up for one reason or another. but what we've got, because japan clearly has decided that immigration answer, immigration isn't the answer, because they very they they limit their immigration very strictly. don't they? >> syrian refugee a couple strictly. don't they? >>yearssyrian refugee a couple strictly. don't they? >>years ago,n refugee a couple strictly. don't they? >>years ago, one:ugee a couple strictly. don't they? >>years ago, one yeah.a couple strictly. don't they? >>years ago, one yeah. yeah.»le of years ago, one yeah. yeah. one okay. >> they very much have the >> so they very much have the drawbridges up. >> can say something very important? >> we were more like japan i'll >> we were more like japan. i'll just put on record just for 30s. >> yeah. women particularly have been lie it's been sold a lie that it's acceptable they'll be happy acceptable and they'll be happy to get into older age with being childless . they've been told childless. they've been told this lie that can party this lie that they can party through their 30s and what do they it? bottomless brunch they call it? bottomless brunch is more important than men starting and men as starting a family and men as well. but. >> but men can have children whenever this this sex and the city lifestyle that that city lifestyle that stuff that programs promoted

programs are that have promoted and the lie that women have been fed you get old being fed that you can get old being childless and you'll be happy is well, talk about actually well, let me talk about actually because lot of women it's because for a lot of women it's because for a lot of women it's because they find because they can't find a suitable so men suitable partner. so maybe men need to pull their socks up need to also pull their socks up because being quite need to also pull their socks up becauthey being quite need to also pull their socks up becauthey leave being quite need to also pull their socks up becauthey leave being late.e frank, they leave it too late. >> their mid 30s, >> they get to their mid 30s, the 30s because they've been the mid 30s because they've been partying they think partying so much and they think right, get a man all the right, time to get a man all the all the good men. >> actually a lot of all >> i actually think a lot of all the good men are taken. >> the men these days >> a lot of the men these days are too scared approach are too scared to even approach are too scared to even approach a become a society a woman. we've become a society that's pushed that. that's actually pushed that. anyway, going have to anyway, we're going to have to leave still ahead, leave that one still ahead, though. we answer your questions in part of show. in the final part of the show. nothing and nothing is off limits, and there's time to there's still time for you to message us. vaiews@gbnews.com. it's the email you but it's the email you need. but next in bunker five, our reform on the rise is the rise of i going to leave us all unemployed and benjamin wants to know why divorce rings are becoming a thing. it's all right. you'll never need one. you're with the saturday five live on

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is. >> i think my mum might have said that. >> thank you mummy, tricia says thank you for mentioning the fact that pensioners nowadays actually started working at the age of 14. you're dead right? we did. my first job was when i was ten, working on the beach with did. my first job was when i was ten,donkeys. on the beach with the donkeys. >> job! like working >> what a job! it's like working here. fearlessly. >> you're the donkey . >> you're the donkey. >> you're the donkey. >> phil is a big fan of us all. he says you're young idiots. discussing how hard they work while sitting on their comfy settees. it's not actually a comfy settee until you see the state of my stool. >> it's a stool. >>— >> it's a stool. >> need to think about men who have their lives actually have spent their lives actually doing manual did doing hard manual work. i did say in the building say that in the building industry and are now riddled with living on with arthritis and living on a bafic with arthritis and living on a basic pension whilst listening to of privileged, to a bunch of privileged, well—paid simpletons telling them how life is so hard . well, them how life is so hard. well, and that's the end of the saturday. >> i do think all men, all men, should have to do a bit of manual labour, i think. >> women, well , it's before >> and women, well, it's before she ideas it's time for she gets any ideas it's time for

us well—paid simpletons to discuss of five topics. >> who's going to lead the way? >> who's going to lead the way? >> i'm going to go first. i'm going talking about going to be talking about a story might actually us story that might actually see us all it is that all out of work. it is that thing that i. that everyone likes to get very excited about. chat sam altman has said chat gpt sam altman has said that the ai could actually start to replace white collar jobs. things like data analysts, financial analysts, content creation creators, which is what we all are at the end of the day . and actually, what we might all be doing in the future is going back to doing more manual creating. oh, there we go. because i will actually be doing a lot of the things that people do now in white collar jobs. so what you make of that, what do you make of that, darren. going to welding. >> don't think i'd be >> well, i don't think i'd be very at i'll give very good at it, but i'll give it my shot , surely the it my best shot, surely the whole idea of that we'll whole idea of this is that we'll be some form of luxury be in some form of luxury communism. isn't what they be in some form of luxury comntelling isn't what they be in some form of luxury comntelling us?'t what they keep telling us? >> was, that >> well, that was, was that aaron bastani friend aaron bastani bastani friend of the channel >> yes, his, his idea. luxury communism? yes. i don't get it

ehhen >> we're just, inching, but, yeah, i don't think i is necessarily going to get rid of all our jobs. >> i think that it will create new jobs. that's what usually happens when a technology advances. but i don't think it would be a bad idea if more people were doing things that were actually something. >> nhs just ai, and >> the nhs just used ai, and they a that the they found a form that the i found a form of cancer that the doctors had missed. >> wow. >> wow. >> yeah, we know that there's huge opportunities in things like healthcare to analyse the bodyin like healthcare to analyse the body in a way that, you know, human beings can't quite manage. i if it were the i think look, if it were the case that technological revolutions that fewer case that technological revolutihad that fewer case that technological revolutihad jobs, that fewer case that technological revolutihad jobs, well, fewer case that technological revolutihad jobs, well, the 'er people had jobs, well, the course of the last 100 years tells a very different story. you know, there were people that opposed the car because they liked the horse and car, and they thought that would cause problems. we problems. look, it didn't we have unemployment have really low unemployment in this done for this country. we have done for about 20 years. so i think embrace ai. >> right . >> all right. >> all right. >> emily, well, i read something curious. in the paper today, a woman who suffered hideous

injuries . she was she happened injuries. she was she happened to be drunk, and she'd been at a swingers club in blackpool, and she went straight into a swimming pool and suffered horrible injuries. anyway she's suing the nhs or attempting to sue the nhs for £10 million. okay, so she's suing the nhs for £10 million. i have no idea if she's going to get anything like that. i don't know if she's going to get any compensation. she says nhs doctors and she says that nhs doctors and paramedics treat paramedics didn't treat her in the appropriate way. now i wonder people's thoughts wonder what people's thoughts are on suing the nhs, benjamin , are on suing the nhs, benjamin, would you feel funny about suing the nhs if they treated you know, i thought there was some, you know, i'm bad practice. >> it is immoral. look, there are two things here. one, this person clearly was not behaving responsibly. >> a question of >> there's a question of personal responsibility. >> there's a question of persona exactly. sibility. >> yes, exactly. >> yes, exactly. >> you have >> and i think when you have a socialised care system socialised health care system where pitch in to cover where we all pitch in to cover the well, actually, is it the costs. well, actually, is it fair maybe have caused fair if you maybe have caused some of the problems that are costing that what i would

costing that money? what i would say, of course, say, though, is that, of course, that that they say, though, is that, of course, that be that they say, though, is that, of course, that be negligent.that they say, though, is that, of course, that be negligent. that hey say, though, is that, of course, that be negligent. that they can't be negligent. that they can't be negligent. that they can't do mistakes that cause that individual serious consequences their life, consequences in their life, that, know, have to that, you know, they have to cover of those cover the costs of those consequences. i think the consequences. but i think the kind nitpicking, of kind of nitpicking, the kind of american style lawsuits at the slightest thing think people slightest thing i think people doing be immoral in doing that would be immoral in the i don't think people the nhs. i don't think people should not do lawsuits against the nhs because they're worried about standpoint , about it. on a moral standpoint, if there has been some sort of gross of course it's gross neglect of course it's right that people sue the organisation that causes that gross. >> you wait 20 years and you're going to have hundreds and hundreds action hundreds of class action lawsuits from children are lawsuits from children who are pushed tavistock pushed through the tavistock clinic . so that's in clinic. so that's coming in a couple of decades. so brace yourself, , you might need yourself, nhs, you might need a few more quid pay out those few more quid to pay out those poor people. >> we've to hold them >> well, we've got to hold them accountable, you ask but. accountable, if you ask me, but. well, i know about that well, i don't know about that case. a swinger. case. it's a swinger. >> mind a swinger falling >> never mind a swinger falling off it's a wild case. off a it's a wild case. >> it's wild case in >> it's a wild case in blackpool. in a good in blackpool. not in a good way in blackpool. not in a good way in blayeah.l. blackpool. not in a good way in blaieah.l. blackpool. not in a good way in blai want to show you this, poll >> i want to show you this, poll polling come polling data which has come from the and shows that among

the ft. and it shows that among men reform now lead the conservatives according to yougov polling. and you see there that reform vote going up, up, up. and it's now above the conservatives. i mean i'll be you must that must be worrying news. >> look that is not a good poll for the conservatives by any stretch of the imagination. and i think the conservative party really needs to start to get their act together. look, things are not going well the are not going well at the moment, but i do think i do think when we get closer to the general election, when the manifestos out, when manifestos are out, when we actually understand what the other parties to we other parties want to do, we will start to see the polling gap close. >> can i ask you, have you spoken to your colleagues in the lib dems about this poll, and what they think it? what do they think about it? >> spoken >> no, i haven't spoken to anyone liberal anyone from the liberal democrats i am not democrats party because i am not a and you need a liberal democrat and you need to get better content to get some better content actually. the story is actually. but the main story is slotted. main story is here slotted. the main story is here actually , is that labour is actually, is that labour is soaring men, so they're not soaring with men, so they're not interested in your bigoted benjamin bigoted

benjamin celebrating bigoted populist politics either. the conservative party is done for. you know, it's especially if nigel comes back. it's not appealing to the centre ground voters that where elections are won and it's lost its traditional voters who have gone over to reform. so i think they've got a disaster in the works. however, there is no way that that polling will translate into a meaningful number of seats for reform. you will still have the conservatives definitely the opposition and definitely as the opposition and with resource and with all the resource and newspaper support. and so i think should focus on trying think you should focus on trying to influence one thing reform needs be careful of is not needs to be careful of is not going down that ukip route where they absolute nutters from , they had absolute nutters from, you know, all sorts of far right , far left fruitcakes. >> hellholes. yeah, the fruitcakes, as david cameron once called them , because we've once called them, because we've had, what, 2 or 3 reform candidates axed in recent weeks after it emerged they'd been banging on some pretty banging on about some pretty strange stuff. >> so labour candidates you've got. >> so labour candidates you've got oh, course , of course, but >> oh, of course, of course, but you've got genuine, party here you've got a genuine, party here in reform , which is

in reform, which is unfortunately attracting as you would has always said, would as nigel has always said, about ukip attracting some fruitcakes, which they to about ukip attracting some fru careful which they to about ukip attracting some fru careful and:h they to about ukip attracting some fru careful and waryzy to about ukip attracting some fru careful and wary of. to be careful and wary of. >> that's a very good point. >> that's a very good point. >> yes. all right, ben , what am >> yes. all right, ben, what am i talking about? >> they held a internal >> itv. they held a internal meeting this week where one exec producer said that they weren't interested in having white men as top talent anymore. excuse me? what about ant and dec, jeremy clarkson, bradley walsh? i go on and on. what about you? i go on and on. what about you? i don't think itv would ever consider. i'd have to delete strings of tweets, old youtube videos and whatever else . videos and whatever else. >> just been devastated when you heard that news. >> well, yeah, i mean yeah, but hang on. >> a serious point though, >> it's a serious point though, isn't it, alby? the way isn't it, alby? is this the way to by essentially to progress by essentially saying want any white saying we don't want any white men? she said the quiet out men? she said the quiet bit out loud, didn't usually they loud, didn't she? usually they say diverse say we want more diverse recruitment. she said, say we want more diverse recidon'tent. she said, say we want more diverse recidon't want she said, say we want more diverse recidon't want white. she said, say we want more diverse recidon't want white. whiteiid, say we want more diverse recidon't want white. white men. we don't want white. white men. >> and you know what? it wasn't just hot mic thing where just some hot mic thing where she it and by accident and she said it and by accident and meant itv meant something else. itv released statement that released a statement later that day well, yeah, day and said, well, yeah, i mean, we want to a diverse

mean, we want to be a diverse company and this is what we mean. >> kemi badenoch it's just racist. >> f- @ about comes >> i was about to say it comes back what point was back to what darren's point was earlier, the debate we earlier, and what the debate we were having about diversity, eqtu were having about diversity, equity and inclusion. were having about diversity, eqlhas|nd inclusion. were having about diversity, eqlhas|n(led:lusion. were having about diversity, eqlhas|n(led:lu:some >> has it led to some good outcomes women, disabled >> has it led to some good outcomeblackwomen, disabled >> has it led to some good outcomeblack and en, disabled >> has it led to some good outcomeblack and gayiisabled >> has it led to some good outcomeblack and gay peoplei >> has it led to some good outcomeblack and gay people ? people, black and gay people? historically, yes. at what historically, yes. but at what point say we have the point do we say we have the level playing field that we want? but you know what? let's all move together. all move forward together. you know what? you see people at alison from morning alison hammond from this morning or love, the comedian. or judi love, the comedian. that's on loose women, that's often on loose women, both programmes. they both big itv programmes. they would never got chance would never have got that chance before and they are absolutely below. >> how do you. >> how do you. >> because they didn't. >> because they didn't. >> because they didn't. >> because it sounds a bit racist. >> no, because alison hammond has been around 20 years. has been around for 20 years. are you saying that? >> never got the >> and she never got the opportunity you she couldn't. >> she get the job >> she didn't get the job because i'm because of meritocracy. i'm saying, she got saying, are you saying she got the because she was a token? the job because she was a token? >> no, no, i'm not saying >> no, no, no, i'm not saying that. i'm saying i'm not that. i'm saying quite. i'm not saying all. saying that at all. >> what i'm you are. >> what i'm saying you are. >> what i'm saying you are. >> that's exactly what you're saying. >> w- w“ >> you just made the mistake of saying no, you made >> no, no, no, you made a mistake. don't put words in my mouth. >> i a mistake there. it's fine. >> no. it's fine.

>> no. it's fine. >> you made a mistake. you made a mistake, emily. >> well, i'm saying her talent like her talent didn't like this for her talent didn't have to you have the chance to come to you about as a racist about it yourself as a racist move on. >> move to the point. >> move on to the point. >> move on to the point. >> well, if i'm going to be divorced from this show, there's lots getting divorces. lots of people getting divorces. and might used have lots of people getting divorces. aiwedding might used have lots of people getting divorces. aiwedding ioi�*jhl used have lots of people getting divorces. aiwedding ior an used have lots of people getting divorces. aiwedding ior an engagement a wedding ring or an engagement ring, are getting a wedding ring or an engagement ring, rings. are getting a wedding ring or an engagement ring, rings. there'sgetting a wedding ring or an engagement ring, rings. there's aetting a wedding ring or an engagement ring, rings. there's a company a wedding ring or an engagement rinthe rings. there's a company a wedding ring or an engagement rinthe us,gs. there's a company a wedding ring or an engagement rinthe us, in there's a company a wedding ring or an engagement rinthe us, in thezre's a company a wedding ring or an engagement rinthe us, in the uk; a company a wedding ring or an engagement rinthe us, in the uk; a c(saysny in the us, in the uk that says it's the new big trend. now, can none of your married actually, aren't can you aren't you ben? yes. can you imagine went wrong imagine if it all went wrong that still to that you'd still want to celebrate ring? celebrate with a divorce ring? >> this idea. >> i quite like this idea. i heard this story earlier and it's from oh, what's the top it's from the oh, what's the top model's name? >> ratajkowski >> emma ratajkowski can't pronounce >> emma ratajkowski can't pro ratajkowski. >> ratajkowski. >> ratajkowski. >> she's beautiful >> yeah, yeah, she's beautiful by but she saying , by the way. but she was saying, that she's. >> how is that relevant? what's that with. that got to do with. >> how is that relevant? you're gonna a divorce. she's gonna get a divorce. she's saying that. gonna get a divorce. she's sayi|g that. gonna get a divorce. she's sayi appreciate that. gonna get a divorce. she's sayi appreciate attractive women. >> i hope your wife's not watching. she's not. >> the to >> she's putting the kids to bed, think. look. bed, i think. but look. >> darren, you think >> darren, do you think celebrating they celebrating this. would they call disengagement do call it a disengagement ring? do you undermines you think that undermines marriage celebrate the end of you think that undermines mayesje celebrate the end of you think that undermines mayes i! celebrate the end of you think that undermines mayes i do celebrate the end of you think that undermines mayes i do actually,3 the end of you think that undermines mayes i do actually, and end of it? yes i do actually, and i think i think marriage is a

profoundly beautiful thing that we do more of. we should do more of. >> actually, i think >> and actually, i think celebrating failure and celebrating the failure of and it a failure a marriage is it is a failure of a marriage is a bad, sad thing. do you know what? >> do you know what i think it's absolutely marriage. >> then leo undermines marriage. i a married man sitting i mean, a married man sitting on national that national television saying that another is beautiful. another woman is beautiful. >> i've been with my i've been with partner years, with my partner for 14 years, and you why? do you know and you know why? do you know why? because comfortable why? because we're comfortable making like that and making jokes like that and saying, oh, she's looking saying, oh, she's a good looking person. know, he's a person. or, you know, he's a good looking guy. we're not so insecure oh, no, do insecure that we go, oh, no, do you me to help you? don't you want me to help you? don't call that. don't call woman call that. don't call that woman beautifulme. cheat on me. >> know, i don't. >> well, you know, i don't. >> well, you know, i don't. >> don't know, silly child. >> i don't know, silly child. i think it's a bit miserable. >> the divorce ring. yes. that's all wanted to all i wanted to say. >> yes, i agree. still >> okay, yes, i agree. still ahead, hear even ahead, we're going to hear even more the viewers. more from you, the viewers. more important subject is important than us. no subject is off limits. it's almost time for ask five. you're with the ask the five. you're with the

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. no emails here, because we're going straight to your questions. no topics are off limits, and you've been filling up our mailbox at gb views at gb news. com danielle asks which of you five would make the best prime minister? >> i think it depends who you're asking for. >> you'll get five different. >> you'll get five different. >> hang on, i know how to do this. answer, but you this. you each answer, but you can't so albie, can't name yourself. so albie, who's best pm out of us for who's your best pm out of us for emily, . emily, yes. >> oh, that's a very odd one. >> oh, that's a very odd one. >> that's a very odd one. i'll return the favour. albie, darling , i'd return the favour. albie, darling, i'd say emily. >> oh, excellent. >> oh, excellent. >> emily, i think i'd have to say albie, because he's the only vaguely sensible one on the show. >> so this is a win for us, emily, that no one else voted for us. i mean, frankly, i would say i won. i got three, yes, but i got two. you've not got nicest i >> -- >> all lyman >> all right. next we're going to hear from simon. are any of

you good at sport and which ones. on god. >> i was actually i was actually a professional downhill skier . a professional downhill skier. >> oh, she's professional at skiing. >> you're not gonna be an uphill skier, are you? you can do that, though. >> i mean, be honest, emily, >> i mean, to be honest, emily, you meet more you couldn't meet yourself more middle jolly hockey sticks >> i know jolly hockey sticks over here. >> upper middle class, not >> upper middle class, i'm not good sport. it's tom good at any sport. it's tom moore. i grew up playing tennis to quite a decent level, and i'm now trying to live my dream through my child, who's four years old, and the coach the other day said he's the best him. >> e- e" e.- >> he's the best four year old he's coached. >> he's the best four year old he'oh, coached. >> he's the best four year old he'oh, you're hed. >> he's the best four year old he'oh, you're aed. parent. >> oh, you're a tiger parent. >> oh, you're a tiger parent. >> i tennis, i absolutely >> i love tennis, i absolutely love tennis. as a kid, was the love tennis. as a kid, i was the alderley edge champion as a teenager, sadly, i know alderley edge champion as a teerweren't. sadly, i know alderley edge champion as a teerweren't. i sadly, i know alderley edge champion as a teerweren't. i was, .y, i know alderley edge champion as a teerweren't. i was, i, i know alderley edge champion as a teerweren't. i was, i wasiow alderley edge champion as a teerweren't. i was, i was wow. you weren't. i was, i was wow. >> but it's only a village, right. but sadly, i gave it up as an adult, and it's something i really regret and want to take back up because, well, i need to shed good shed the pound. so. quite good at flicking wrist then, at flicking your wrist then, aren't are you? yeah, aren't you? are you? yeah, exactly. wrist. aren't you? are you? yeah, exa good wrist. aren't you? are you? yeah, exa good it's wrist. aren't you? are you? yeah, exa good it's wris kind of show. >> i used to row when i was at school. >> god, you're all so posh, i'm

sitting down. >> sports posh. >> sports and posh. >> sports and posh. >> yes, sitting down >> yes, yes, sitting down sports. this is sports. i mean, this is a sitting sport, isn't it? sitting down sport, isn't it? really? but. so. no, i did use the i'm no good at it the word, but i'm no good at it anymore. the word, but i'm no good at it anyright. stuart has >> right. okay. stuart has written stuart says ben has written in. stuart says ben has been every show since been on every show since presenting hour last presenting a two hour show last night. he's not night. please tell me he's not a robot. hasn't come on that robot. i hasn't come on that far, has it? he is a good lad, though. always worth listening to. oh, that's very kind. is that dad is that a question? >> yes, it was a question. is ben real? >> oh, he's the answer now. >> oh, he's the answer now. >> he's asleep . >> he's asleep. >> he's asleep. >> i think i has gone too far. >> i think i has gone too far. >> i'll tell you what i got. >> i'll tell you what i got. >> i'll tell you what i got. >> i got up at 4:00 yesterday morning to come to work. i was on britain's newsroom the on britain's newsroom in the morning. covered for morning. then i covered for patrick last then i was patrick last night. then i was up at seven. up again at seven. >> need your life story, ben. >> no need your life story, ben. >> no need your life story, ben. >> anyway, very tired. i >> anyway, i'm very tired. i need home. need to go home. >> right. on you do need reboot. >> arabella says. will benjamin pay >> arabella says. will benjamin pay £10,000 people? pay £10,000 to young people? even work when even those that don't work when he is 65? well, this is if he has no savings , he doesn't know has no savings, he doesn't know what will happen to him in 40 years. >> well, if i'm still around,

this was a suggestion by a conservative peer that every 30 year old should get ten grand from a boomer and i think from a baby boomer and i think it's a fantastic idea. and look, let you a deal, okay? if i let me do you a deal, okay? if i get the kind of returns on the housing market that current 65 year olds have, yeah, i'll year olds have, then yeah, i'll give ten grand to a 30 year old. >> work harder and buy >> i'll work harder and buy a house. >> yeah, we could just, you >> yeah, or we could just, you know, migration and know, stop mass migration and therefore you probably have better benjamin better prospects. benjamin >> yeah. >> yeah. >> ponder that, ponder that, ponder that. do i have an answer to that? well certainly not. no, no , i say, what do you what do no, i say, what do you what do you think benjamin should. >> should. >> should. >> yeah, i think he should. >> yeah, i think he should. >> think he should his >> i think he should put his money mouth actually. >> no, mean, e mean, the >> well, no, i mean, look, the point benjamin making is point that benjamin is making is actually one. i don't actually a salient one. i don't know or not the answer know whether or not the answer is giving. is giving every is giving. every is giving every 30 £10,000. but the 30 year old £10,000. but the point making about point that he's making is about generational unfairness. and that has that is something which has happened. we have seen a generation get a lot generation of people get a lot from state, have their from the state, have their assets inflated cheap assets inflated by cheap credit and migration , and perhaps and mass migration, and perhaps something needs to be levelled back out.

>> folks, i think that >> okay, folks, i think that concludes evening. thanks concludes our evening. thanks very our guests tonight very much to our guests tonight ben leo. we're ben leo leo kearse even we're going to give you a break. the final c says i've loved watching the saturday v this past year and well done for surviving 12 months with the walk. eaten benjamin walk. avocado eaten benjamin butterworth . next up it's the butterworth. next up it's the brilliant leo kearse with the saturday show. time for saturday night show. time for lunch. very for lunch. cheers very much for watching. i'll see you next week i >> -- >> that 5mm >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers , sponsors of boxt boilers, sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello! here's your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. we saw a very unsettled day on saturday with lots of showers around, but things look quieter for sunday. dnen things look quieter for sunday. drier, brighter with lighter winds low is winds to low pressure is anchored towards north—east anchored towards the north—east that brought very blustery that brought the very blustery north airstream. north westerly airstream. lots of on saturday, a little of showers on saturday, a little ridge of high pressure though moving west and that moving in from the west and that does to quieten does promise to quieten things down into sunday. still down as we go into sunday. still quite few showers to contend

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