that story we'll be covering that story later in the show. former later on in the show. former education minister andrea jenkyns here in the jenkyns will be here in the studio discussing why she thinks rishi needs to go to save rishi sunak needs to go to save the tories from electoral oblivion . i'll be speaking to oblivion. i'll be speaking to labour's anneliese dodds as the shadow women and equalities minister. can she clarify shadow women and equalities minister. can she clarity for once for and all, how labour defines a woman? i'll also be joined by the chancellor, jeremy hunt, in the studio , after hunt, in the studio, after suggesting that a hundred grand isn't really that much in surrey to be earning. is he out of touch with the average brit, and can he convince voters that he can he convince voters that he can approve, improve the economy at last? author and historian sir anthony seldon will be here to share his thoughts. as boris johnson's biographer , on whether johnson's biographer, on whether the former prime minister can stage and ailsa stage a comeback and ailsa anderson, the former press secretary to queen elizabeth ii , secretary to queen elizabeth ii, will be here to discuss the devastating news the princess devastating news of the princess of wales's cancer diagnosis. don't go anywhere.

well, as usual, let's get into the sunday morning newspapers . the sunday morning newspapers. i'm joined now by my former boss, former editor of the sunday express, martin townsend. he's now a partner at pagefield, a senior partner at pagefield. martin, lovely to see you. i mean, if we'd been working together on this story, my goodness me, you'd dedicate a lot of today's paper to it. and a of the sunday papers have a lot of the sunday papers have done that. yes. news kate's done that. yes. news of kate's shock diagnosis . yes. shock cancer diagnosis. yes. i mean, first of all, how did she react on when she made react on friday when she made this extraordinary this quite extraordinary announcement , i announcement on video? i was, i think, like most people in the country, i was very shocked and very upset by it, i thought very upset by it, but i thought it an absolutely remarkable it was an absolutely remarkable statement, i think in it was just it was brilliant, actually. and i think it will be pored over , which obviously is being over, which obviously is being pulled over at great length now, but will be pulled but i think it will be pulled over future, well as over in the future, as well as a fantastic example how you can fantastic example of how you can manage kind terrible manage this kind of terrible news and at the same time show

extraordinary empathy. both for your family and for other sufferers, but also for the country , because the country is country, because the country is jittery. i mean, we have a very jittery. i mean, we have a very jittery uk at the moment. you know, the government is all over the place and they're not at all sure. i, i personally don't think the incoming think about the incoming government, there seem think about the incoming go be nment, there seem think about the incoming gobenment, to there seem think about the incoming gobenment, to vote there seem think about the incoming go be nment, to vote forere seem think about the incoming go be nment, to vote for them,em to be wanting to vote for them, there's war in the world, etc. etc. and then and people expect the royal family. they want the royal family to be secure, they want to feel comfortable with the royal family. and i thought that way to that kate went a long way to making reassured , as making people feel reassured, as well as making her own family feel, i mean, with a former edhofs feel, i mean, with a former editor's hat now of editor's hat on and now kind of a hat, you think it was a pr hat, do you think it was good she did it in video form? >> i mean, we understand from some the coverage this some of the coverage this morning she thought it morning that she thought it might too to might be a bit too sterile to sort of release but sort of release a statement, but she's natural she's not the most natural pubuc she's not the most natural public in the world. public speaker in the world. she's always struggled a little bit, actually, with giving bit, actually, with with giving speeches she's naturally speeches because she's naturally quite and quite shy and an introvert. and she had a steely determination in that. that video . i wrote a

in that. that video. i wrote a piece for the telegraph yesterday where it did remind me a bit of queen elizabeth ii and, you trying to you know, sort of trying to reassure nation by speaking reassure the nation by speaking not as a royal but not just as a royal but obviously a and a wife obviously as a mum and a wife too . too. >> the famous covid speech >> yes. the famous covid speech that meet speech that we'll meet again speech which was, you which was, was, you know, a similar kind thing. i thought similar kind of thing. i thought it was perfect to do it on video, frankly. and my wife and a lot of her women friends were saying you they saying that, you know, they thought that it was perfect. i mean, and i mean, she was sort of fiddling with her fingers a bit, and that was the bit that actually moved lot of my actually moved a lot of my wife's this sort of wife's friends is this sort of fiddling with the fingers. she was obviously very upset and, you know, stressed, i think, but she , she came across, you know, she, she came across, you know, broadly in, in the video , i broadly in, in the video, i think, as being very reassuring. >> what's your reflections on the sort of media coverage of some of the conspiracy theories andindeed some of the conspiracy theories and indeed the sort of false rumours? i mean, a piece rumours? i mean, i wrote a piece saying thought the troll saying that i thought the troll should called out this should be called out this kind of completely of and people completely anonymously behind faceless

computers, spewing out this frankly sort of virtual vomit on a daily basis is appalling. then some people sort of came back at that piece and said, well, you're in the media, so you're to as well. been to blame as well. you've been hounding mean, actually, hounding her. i mean, actually, personally only personally speaking, i've only written stories written a couple of stories about health, both about her and her health, both of her alone of which said, leave her alone and recuperate. but and let her recuperate. but let's let facts get in the let's not let facts get in the way good trolling. what way of a good trolling. but what do media do you think? is the media mishandled as kensington mishandled it as kensington palace mishandled it a bit in kind losing of kind of losing track of the narrative ? narrative? >> think i think there >> i think there i think there was of mishandling from >> i think there i think there waspalace.: mishandling from >> i think there i think there waspalace. i�*nishandling from >> i think there i think there waspalace. i thinkndling from >> i think there i think there waspalace. i thinkndlilpicture the palace. i think the picture was a mistake. retrospect. was a mistake. in retrospect. i think picture out was think putting a picture out was a i think it just it a mistake. i think it just it was went a time of you was it went out at a time of you know, maximum of know, maximum sort of speculation social media and, speculation on social media and, you know, it was bound to cause even problems did . even more problems than it did. i think was a big there i think there was a big there has a big difference has been a big difference from the newspapers have covered the way newspapers have covered this the social this story and the way social media, media been media, social media has been disgraceful. think for the disgraceful. and i think for the x, disgraceful. and i think for the x, c ceo of x stroke twitter, linda yaccarino , to come out linda yaccarino, to come out yesterday, i think it was and say, you know , make this this

say, you know, make this this kind of statement about kate and said, you know that she hopes that she'll privacy is that she'll get privacy is absolute mean, absolute nonsense. i mean, they've nothing. they've they've done nothing. they've done nothing. trolling at all needs happen . and we've seen needs to happen. and we've seen today one of worst today with one of the worst trolls unmasked , he was trolls being unmasked, he was hiding behind, a nom de plume, a suda, a pseudonym. this mustn't happen anymore. yeah, this is a if twitter. >> paul condon, who is in the mail on sunday, he's being exposed for recording these vile tiktok videos. but as you say, under a pseudonym. yeah. >> mean, come out and >> i mean, either x come out and say that you cannot, cannot go on twitter unless you do it under your real name and have people under their names. people under their real names. this is going to continue because these are are because these are these are cowards. people who will cowards. these people who will hide behind. >> honest, people >> to be honest, some people behave appallingly on x even when do name themselves. behave appallingly on x even whe|we do name themselves. behave appallingly on x even whe|we know name themselves. behave appallingly on x even whe|we know of me themselves. behave appallingly on x even whe|we know of quite iemselves. behave appallingly on x even whe|we know of quite highelves. yes, we know of quite high profile people that behave appallingly their true. one appallingly on their true. one story that i just noticed our story that i just noticed in our old paper, the sunday express. scientists baffled the scientists baffled by the worrying uk cancer worrying increase in uk cancer diagnoses among the under 50s. i remember doing an interview with

some breast cancer specialists at barts talked about this, at barts who talked about this, who talked about the fact that they seeing much younger they were seeing much younger women in their pandemic, women in their post pandemic, maybe hadn't to maybe because they hadn't got to hospital in time. and, you know, the cancer had developed too much of the lockdown. much because of the lockdown. however, younger people under 50 being diagnosed with cancer more. do you put that to ? down >> well, i mean, i think refer to a previous conversation. i think we live in a very uncertain world. and i think if you're if you're one of those sort of in that kind of age group, you're worried about losing your job, you've got all this, this about al this, all this stuff about al that going to take that al is going to take everybody's work and take away their etc, etc. their professions, etc, etc. you're your you're worried about your children because the world is so unsafe moment . yeah, you unsafe at the moment. yeah, you know, stress. it's i think there is an awful lot of stress around. and i think that is a particularly stressed , grouping particularly stressed, grouping and, and, you know, there's not and, and, you know, there's not an awful lot of joy out there at the moment. >> and in the case of the royal family, they couldn't have had a more stressful years, 3 or more stressful three years, 3 or

4 be honest. 4 years, to be honest. >> been appalling, hasn't >> it's been appalling, hasn't it, attack , it, the moscow terror attack, obviously all of the obviously it's in all of the newspapers, the newspapers, but because of the princess news, it's not princess of wales news, it's not been quite as amplified much been quite as amplified as much as probably should be. i as it probably should be. i mean, this is a major terror attack. 133 lives claimed, i think, another 150 in hospital. well, putin now weaponizing it and trying to blame ukraine for what is the actions of isis is obviously an interesting take from the russian president. i mean, does this just escalate matters? do you think? >> well, i mean, my heart goes out obviously families of out to obviously the families of those were those people that were slaughtered in that massacre, but at the same time, i think there is a certain, i think because of the war in ukraine and because of because people just don't believe what putin says. any incident like this, i think people are very sceptical about it all, about what actually happened, etc, etc. now we it has been claimed as a, as an islamic attack , and i think an islamic attack, and i think that, you know, that obviously that's sort of, you know, that's the claim that's out there . but

the claim that's out there. but now, of course, he's weaponizing it. and so people are saying, well, you know , how how did well, you know, how how did it come about? that and come about? and this, that and the mean, i think the other i mean, i think there's kind of doubts there's always kind of doubts around this is the around putin. this is the problem got. and boldened problem he's got. and boldened by elected another by being elected for another six years with of vote, years with 89% of the vote, would believe i wonder how would you believe i wonder how that happened, having having got rid of all of his, you know, his main opponents and yeah, alexei navalny very suspicious navalny dying in very suspicious circumstances in a siberian prison, let's talk about rishi sunak. of course, again, there is coverage of , you know, his is coverage of, you know, his leadership. can he go the distance? i thought it was interesting to see dan hodges particularly writing in the mail on sunday, that he's sort of a zombie. pm in power, but not in charge. i mean, what do you make of these claims ? and i've got of these claims? and i've got andrew jenkins coming in in just a after you . she's one of a moment after you. she's one of the mps to have admitted to putting letter of no putting in a letter of no confidence. are they just confidence. but are they just turkeys voting christmas? turkeys voting for christmas? what's here? what's going on here? >> to me it's crazy. i >> to me? to me it's crazy. i mean, on the one hand there's an irony, at the centre irony, i think, at the centre of all this, that they're

all this, which is that they're making noises because making these noises because they're worried about the fact that vote is going that the tory vote is going down. you know, the gap down. and, you know, the gap between reform is between them and reform is closed . i think it's about five closed. i think it's about five points labour, the points now. the labour, the laboun points now. the labour, the labour, lead keeps increasing. but of course it's the exactly this chatter about a new leader thatis this chatter about a new leader that is causing to lose that is causing people to lose faith with the tories. every time somebody comes out and says, replace rishi, says, let's replace rishi, that's another 200, 300 votes. i don't , thousands of votes don't know, thousands of votes possibly, that are just lost at that point . so i don't that point. so i don't understand that rishi sunak himself himself any himself is not doing himself any favours. from all accounts, he's micromanaging everything, including the dishwasher. and in 10 downing street, yes, going up to check that it's been loaded properly . and this is just crazy properly. and this is just crazy stuff. and it's the sign of someone really doesn't know someone who really doesn't know what do. that thing what to do. it's that old thing of you i'm under of like, you know, i'm under stress. and tidy my sock stress. i'll go and tidy my sock drawer. >> f- drawer. >> working hard >> yeah, it's working hard behind scenes. think it's behind the scenes. i think it's a exactly. >> exactly. >> exactly. >> it's working for his >> but it's not working for his poll sure. poll rating, that's for sure. >> be attacking >> and he should be attacking laboun >> and he should be attacking labour. the time labour. this is the time to attack have, you attack labour. they have, you know, no ideas .

know, no policies, no ideas. >> we've had a labour and conservative consensus. consensus we, on the consensus haven't we, on the saint george's cross and the way it's been depicted on the back of the england shirt. i know you've got strong feelings about very strong feelings an very strong feelings as an england chelsea england fan and a chelsea fan. what said you're what you've said that you're going this shirt. going to boycott this shirt. yes. we'll draw a veil over >> well, we'll draw a veil over me the me being a chelsea fan at the moment, anyway, the moment, i think. but anyway, the fact , i've said i'm fact is that no, i've said i'm not watch england not going to watch any england games they're that games while they're wearing that shirt. strongly shirt. i feel very strongly about strongly about about it. i feel strongly about it think these it because i think these national matter. it because i think these nati> not the us but imagine >> well not the us but imagine like you had tampered like if you had you tampered with took the with the saltire or you took the dragon welsh flag. yeah. dragon off the welsh flag. yeah. uproar. apparently uproar. but apparently it's perfectly not have red perfectly fine to not have a red and flag, because is and white flag, because that is how certain section of britain feels about england . they're not feels about england. they're not proud of england, but they're a very vocal minority, aren't they

7 very vocal minority, aren't they ? vocal minority? i get that the flag the past been flag has in the past been tainted of right tainted with sort of far right thuggery, majority thuggery, but the vast majority of who wave that sort of people who wave that sort george's cross, not just at the football, but at royal events, at concerts, are representative football, but at royal events, at multicultural representative football, but at royal events, at multicultural england. ative football, but at royal events, at multicultural england. i:ive of multicultural england. i mean, this is the irony of the debate about. absolutely. i thought it's interesting home secretary james cleverly saying vote with your feet and don't buy the shirt. £125. i'm not minded to buy it anyway. >> i think it's i think it's 127 >> i think it's i think it's127 actually. but yeah, i mean it's, it's it's what nylon it's and it's what nylon horrible nylon shirts. >> to be fair, football >> well to be fair, football shirts are horrible shirts are always horrible and nylon at same time, nylon. but at the same time, i think amount of money think for that amount of money i'm better. well i'm probably better. well spent elsewhere. you elsewhere. indeed. thank you very joining me very much for joining me this morning, martin. always a pleasure you. pleasure to speak to you. well, as i've former as i said, i've got former education minister andrea jenkyns coming into the studio in just a moment. she's one of the, i think, two tory mps to have admitted putting in a letter against sunak . but letter against rishi sunak. but who would she like to see in charge of tory party and charge of the tory party and indeed the government? instead, find and find out more about that and with other desks coming up, including chancellor jeremy

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welcome back to gb news. you're watching the camilla tominey show. lovely to have your company this sunday morning. i'm delighted to be joined now by andrea jenkins. the former andrea jenkins. she's the former education minister and conservative morley and conservative mp for morley and outwood. and if you don't mind me saying, andrea, may call me saying, andrea, if i may call you quite big rishi you that, quite a big rishi sunak critic. you're one of, i think, only tory mps to have admitted submitting letters of no confidence. is that the wisest idea? we just had martin townsend talking on the papers about being sort of turkeys about it being sort of turkeys voting christmas. will voting for christmas. how will it this late stage to it help at this late stage to replace the prime minister? >> i mean , i gave it a lot of >> i mean, i gave it a lot of thought back in november when i submitted it. and what you see is what you get with me, camilla. sure and i believed in going about and

going public about that. and i think that it is last chance saloon. we've seen the polls. we've seen how, things are difficult for the party. it's like one of the lowest polls, which is haemorrhaging votes, and we're not getting through to the electorate. so i think last chance , what have we got chance saloon, what have we got to camilla? to lose, camilla? >> the election people >> i mean, the election people could argue because i think there polling the there was some polling in the week that actually week to suggest that actually conservative more conservative voters are more likely for rishi sunak likely to vote for rishi sunak than any of the other candidates i other polls have i appreciate. other polls have differed . there which differed. there was one which said mordaunt said that penny mordaunt might be wouldn't be be better, but you wouldn't be supportive of mordaunt supportive of penny mordaunt because she's nation tory, right? >> well, the thing the >> well, the thing is about the polling, though, it depends, how many mean, do many the sample was. i mean, do you the big lady mcalpine you see the big lady mcalpine one was 13,500 and that put one that was 13,500 and that put bofis one that was 13,500 and that put boris top? i think penny was second and but it did put a lot of the centre right of the party towards the top. >> so how many letters do you think have been submitted? >> i mean, look, let's face it, graham brady is the only one that knows. but i mean, i when i last calculated because people that knows. but i mean, i when i last cilculated because people that knows. but i mean, i when i last cilcultmy because people that knows. but i mean, i when i last cilcultmy becalin people that knows. but i mean, i when i

last cilcultmy becalin lotsple that knows. but i mean, i when i last cilcultmy becalin lots ofe since i put my letter in lots of people coming up to me telling me, oh, we've done the same. well on you . and got in well done on you. and i got in my of telling me my count of people telling me that was over 30. but this was weeks ago , so i think we must be weeks ago, so i think we must be nearer to 40 now and then if you i mean, it could be that you accidentally trigger a no confidence vote and then the vote itself, even if wins, it vote itself, even if he wins, it could be sort of fatal, because when a prime minister is challenged close to challenged this close to a general of course you general election, of course you have to replace. >> understand the >> but do you not understand the nofion >> but do you not understand the notion of the criticisms around, you too much regicide , you know, too much regicide, that at the end of the day, yeah, a desperately yeah, you're in a desperately difficult , but that difficult situation, but that changing now will just changing leader now will be just catastrophic . catastrophic. >> and the thing i want most of all is, is to be more conservative. i mean, we're not cutting through in the wall cutting through in the red wall seats like and need seats like mine, and we need more sense conservative more common sense conservative policies. i mean, some of the things in the budget, £1 million for a monument when people are struggling, that's . what do you struggling, that's. what do you mean, the monument the muslim mean, the monument to the muslim soldiers? yes, but i think spending £1 million. on a monument people are monument when people are struggling . i don't think that's

struggling. i don't think that's necessarily the use necessarily the best use of taxpayers but who would taxpayers money. but who would you have instead then? >> because there's lots of talk about candidates sort about different candidates sort of for position. we've of jockeying for position. we've discussed . you discussed penny mordaunt. you wouldn't want to see her leading the i take the party, i take it. >> i mean, look, mean penny, >> i mean, look, i mean penny, i know a lovely lady. know penny, she's a lovely lady. we've just got completely different politics. you don't think conservative enough? think she's conservative enough? i'd like to see somebody who's more conservative. >> , so suella braverman >> okay, so suella braverman then, like suella, then, i like suella, i like pretty, i like jacob jacob to run the party. >> yeah. i mean, do you think jacob's electable as a prime minister? you think would? minister? do you think he would? quite. my area. quite. well in my area. >> mean, he go down well >> i mean, does he go down well with working class with kind of working class people in the red wall? >> give an >> well, all i can give an example came up to my example is, he came up to my saint george's we have saint george's day. we have thousands and thousands of people it and people people attending it and people just up to asking just running up to him asking for but i mean, for his autograph. but i mean, i know, but there's a difference to be kind of famous than to be admired respected as a prime admired and respected as a prime minister. i'd minister. but but, i mean, i'd bnng minister. but but, i mean, i'd bring boris back tomorrow. camilla. been topping bring boris back tomorrow. canpoll. been topping the poll. >> are pi- >> well, are you in communication with boris? what's bofis boris thinking right now? does he back?

he want to come back? >> i mean, not going to >> i mean, i'm not going to divulge conversations, divulge private conversations, but , i mean, boris and carrie but no, i mean, boris and carrie are friends. got a lot of are friends. i got a lot of respect them. so you're respect for them. so you're in regular contact i regular contact with them? i mean, contact with them. mean, i am in contact with them. >> what do we think >> okay. and what do we think his is around coming his thinking is around coming back least campaigning in back and at least campaigning in the general election? >> regarding >> i mean, regarding the campaigning, i mean, >> i mean, regarding the campaigning , i mean, stuff campaigning, i mean, the stuff that out there, that was got got put out there, it certainly was. i mean, the fact is, i know that boris and rishi haven't spoken for over a yean rishi haven't spoken for over a year, so boris has not been party to any of these conversations. >> okay. but there was a talk. i think somebody had suggested that amenable that boris would be amenable to coming campaigning, but coming back and campaigning, but rishi to call him first. rishi needed to call him first. >> i you to ask >> well, i think you need to ask bofis >> well, i think you need to ask boris camilla. boris that, camilla. >> you see him. if >> but you want to see him. if he were to come back and lead the party, could that the party, how could that feasibly mean, i wrote feasibly happen? i mean, i wrote it, have to get seat, a sort it, i have to get a seat, a sort of to, to, to to, take of trying to, to, to to, take henry back, know, he henry back, you know, could he run henley where could he run in henley where could he run? how could work? run in henley where could he runi how could work? run in henley where could he runi mean,)uld work? run in henley where could he runi mean, he'd work? run in henley where could he runi mean, he'd havek? run in henley where could he runi mean, he'd have to get past >> i mean, he'd have to get past cchq wouldn't and. cchq wouldn't he? and. well, i don't know. i think it'd don't know. i mean, i think it'd be pretty awful if they didn't allow minister to allow a former prime minister to

stand. but that's what we'd have to but. but the most to do. but. but the most important to me, i want to important thing to me, i want to see common politics. see common sense politics. i want roll back on net want to see us roll back on net zero. i mean, millions of zero. i mean, the millions of pounds of spending on that, i just think is ridiculous, people are struggling and they don't want to see these vanity projects . projects. >> when you talked earlier, you mentioned george's day. mentioned saint george's day. what's to the faa what's your reaction to the faa and nike and this flag on the back shirt ? james back of the shirt? james cleverly today has said that people this people should boycott this shirt, by the way, costs shirt, which by the way, costs a huge amount of i think huge amount of money. i think it's to £27. but what you it's 125 to £27. but what do you think about it not being red and white? >> i think it's a bit ridiculous, isn't it? i mean, it's different if it's on people's logos and like people's logos and things like this, you know, this, but when it's, you know, our sports should be our sports team, it should be the proper england. should the shirt be pulled , then should we shirt be pulled, then should we have a different shirt with the proper flag on it? think fair proper flag on it? i think fair play. what foreign secretary play. what the foreign secretary said. your yeah said. vote with your feet. yeah you know, just don't buy it. >> secretary. >> home secretary. >> home secretary. >> secretary , >> sorry. the home secretary, david cameron, commented, david cameron, has commented, not least because he didn't quite which football team quite know which football team he supported some years ago, so

but do you think that this should fans be boycotting it then buying it? then and not buying it? >> good on them if they >> i think good on them if they do, definitely. yeah. yeah, definitely. won't definitely. i certainly won't buy one. yeah. >> also spoke in >> and you also spoke in the week sex education in week about sex education in schools. quote schools. now let's just quote you think you have you because i think you have expressed concerns about how young are taught sex young children are taught sex education. and you've got a child yourself of primary school age. i don't want him and other children to learn about sex, whether that's straight or gay. but do think that sex but you do think that sex education should exist at some point in school? >> oh, yes. oh, definitely . >> oh, yes. oh, definitely. >> oh, yes. oh, definitely. >> would like children >> when would you like children to i think first of >> i think the first year of secondary school, year of secondary school, first year of secondary school, first year of sec and ry secondary school, first year of sec and what you like them >> and what would you like them to be have you got to be taught? have you got objections being taught objections to them being taught about and about heterosexual and homosexual what about homosexual sex? and what about transgender ? transgender teaching? >> i mean, i'm completely against, i think teaching about transgender, especially a young age, i don't want to confuse children. and i think, i mean, i've got no problem if people want to be transgender. life's short, be happy. but i think , short, be happy. but i think, you know, we shouldn't allow any

transition in at while someone is a child. i think when they're 18, they can do what they want. people can do what the one. but now, i mean, for sex education, i mean, what why why not only is a parent, i've been speaking out about but i have had about this, but i have had constituents, camilla, where they're children they're keeping their children in from school and home schooling because they they schooling because they feel they want to protect the children in that way that young age. i that way at that young age. i mean, i don't you've mean, i don't know if you've seen some graphics of seen some of the graphics of some teaching materials . some of the teaching materials. it's shocking. it's really shocking. >> school children? >> this is for the for the >> yes. this is for the for the later years in primary school. >> you think is pushing >> who do you think is pushing this the background? this in the background? >> it's civil >> i think it's a civil servants. mean, when was in servants. i mean, when i was in the for short four the dfe for that short four months, brought up several months, i brought it up several times and the civil servants, the senior civil servants said to me, we will write to every school to ensure that parents can access , because what can have access, because what they're saying, the schools at they're saying, the schools at the moment are saying that you can't have access because of copyright, which is a load copyright, but which is a load of rubbish. but when i was

there, i kept pushing for it. but but you needed the secretary of for it as of states to push for it as well. and so that's why well. yes. and so that's why i asked in that debate has have all schools been written to about since and the about this since and the minister said they have, which i'm pleased, but i'm still getting that's not filtering to every school. >> but has the department for education weak number education been weak on a number of issues, just sex of these issues, not just sex education, also this idea education, but also this idea that some schools have agreed to call children by a different gender and not even told their parents it's shocking. >> it's terrible. >> it's terrible. >> it's terrible. >> i mean, that's a department of education as well of education problem as well as a civil servant. >> completely, definitely. >> completely, but definitely. and i've two cases in and also i've had two cases in the few years, camilla, the last few years, camilla, where an eight year old where we had an eight year old child old child, child and an 11 year old child, two separate cases where the schools was trying to push the to parents accept different genders and genders of that child. and i went side of the parents went on the side of the parents because, you know, the state is not to parent. parents not there to parent. parents should parent, you know, they not there to parent. parents sh0|wish arent, you know, they not there to parent. parents sh0|wish .'ent, you know, they see wish. >> you've also spoken quite a lot about the rise in far left extremism. when we talk about extremism, we talk about far

right extremism, which of course is a problem. what do you mean by far left extremism, and how prevalent you think it is? prevalent do you think it is? >> well, i think it's in every institution actually , camilla, institution actually, camilla, we've we see it in the civil service. we've seen it in the home office where they've tried to boycott the rwanda . but you to boycott the rwanda. but you say far left. >> i mean, i overstating it, these others might describe it as liberalism. these others might describe it as ino,'alism. these others might describe it as ino,'alis|but but also look at >> no, but but but also look at the universities. i mean, what's happenedin the universities. i mean, what's happened in leeds is, is awful. you've flagged, real problems with pro—palestinian protesters making life extremely uncomfortable for jewish students at leeds university. >> funnily enough, it's my alma mater. i went studied leeds law at leeds like keir starmer of all people, you've written to that all people, you've written to maww all people, you've written to that vice chancellor. what have jewish students been experiencing? oh it's horrific. >> camilla and i cried, actually , when i was speaking to them, i met with some jewish students , met with some jewish students, and in the main building, they've been put in palestinian flags. they've been students have been chanting, in front of,

jewish pupils from the river to the sea, they told me that this hasn't been reported to the police because some of the staff members and lecturers are saying, well, we do not want to give the university a bad name and draw attention it. so and draw attention to it. so they're it . and they're not reporting it. and no, university student , no, no, no university student, nobody in life will stop. should be fearful to be who they are. >> the jewish chaplain there, a rabbi basically received death threats to him and his family. he had to go into hiding. we've then had graffiti daubed on the front of hillel house, which is the sort of centre for jewish students recreationally. you wrote to the vice chancellor and requested an urgent meeting. has he agreed to meet with you? yes. >> i mean, i got told by the mps that he refused to meet. so that's why i went public with my put it on social media and tagged them in because i thought ineed tagged them in because i thought i need hold to account. i need to hold them to account. this is serious. and so i've i need to hold them to account. thisas serious. and so i've i need to hold them to account.

thisa responseous. and so i've i need to hold them to account. thisa response backind so i've i need to hold them to account. thisa response back thato i've i need to hold them to account. thisa response back that they're got a response back that they're happy to meet. so i'll, i'll what will he be saying? >> i mean, do you want say to >> i mean, do you want to say to them, shouldn't have them, look, we shouldn't have marches through campuses, i mean, marches anywhere , maybe mean, or marches anywhere, maybe briefly. andrew. well, the thing is, don't want see when is, i don't want to see when they're trying to intimidate the jewish students, i think. >> don't put flags there. >> look, don't put flags there. unless it's our british flag or something . you know, our country something. you know, our country flag. there should seriously flag. and there should seriously think of discipline in people if they're, they're not, behaving in, in, in a decent way. >> andrew jenkins . we need to >> andrew jenkins. we need to leave it there. but thank you very much indeed forjoining me this morning. more to come. this morning. lots more to come. in next hour, going in the next hour, i'm going to be by party chair be joined by labour party chair anneliese be joined by labour party chair annelie hunt, following jeremy hunt, following his comments in the house of lords earlier this week. could we be looking possible october looking at a possible october election? won't want to miss election? you won't want to miss either those two interviews, either of those two interviews, so go anywhere

welcome back to the camilla tominey show. so much more to come in the next hour, i'm going to be joined by labour party chair anneliese dodds. to be joined by labour party chair anneliese dodds . and i'll chair anneliese dodds. and i'll be to the chancellor of chair anneliese dodds. and i'll be exchequer, the chancellor of chair anneliese dodds. and i'll be exchequer, jeremyancellor of chair anneliese dodds. and i'll be exchequer, jeremy hunt or of chair anneliese dodds. and i'll be exchequer, jeremy hunt .r of chair anneliese dodds. and i'll be exchequer, jeremy hunt . but the exchequer, jeremy hunt. but first, here's the news headlines with armstrong . with aaron arm strong. >> with aaron armstrong. >> hi there. it's 10:00. with aaron armstrong. >> hi there. it's10:00. i'm aaron armstrong in the gb newsroom . we start with some newsroom. we start with some breaking news. three young siblings reported missing from gloucestershire have been found safe and well . officers had been safe and well. officers had been concerned for the welfare of three year old polly, five year old jolene and eight year old betsy. they went missing after last being seen with their mother on friday. they have now been found. a woman has been arrested on suspicion of child neglect in connection with the incident and remains in police custody . the prince and princess custody. the prince and princess of wales have said they're enormously touched by the kind

messages of support . catherine messages of support. catherine announced her cancer diagnosis on friday and revealed she started preventative chemotherapy . a statement from chemotherapy. a statement from kensington palace also said the couple are grateful the public understand their request for privacy. former royal butler grant harrold told gb news catherine's bravery has the potential to help many others. >> what's really interesting is the fact that the king has spoken openly and now she's done the same . this is this is very the same. this is this is very unusual because historically royals not discuss health royals did not discuss health issues as we know late issues as we know of the late queen and the late prince philip. this was a no area. philip. this was a no go area. and here we've got a very modern royal family they're royal family where they're actually talking about actually openly talking about this, which is great because it's raising it's not raising awareness, it's getting people talking about probably, talking about it probably, hopefully, getting hopefully, hopefully getting people to and get themselves people to go and get themselves checked. think really checked. and i think it's really important what she's done, speaking really speaking about it. and i really admire it. >> russians are observing a national day of mourning after at least 133 people were killed in a terror attack on friday.

people have been lighting candles and laying flowers at the concert hall on the outskirts of moscow , where four outskirts of moscow, where four men with automatic weapons opened fire a packed opened fire in a packed auditorium . flags have been auditorium. flags have been lowered to half mast, events cancelled and advertising taken off state tv, with some countries lighting up landmarks in solidarity. president putin has pointed to ukrainian involvement despite islamic state claiming responsibility, which is backed up by us intelligence. a ukraine has denied any involvement with the white house, condemned the attack as heinous and described islamic state as a common terrorist enemy that must be defeated . meanwhile, ukraine's defeated. meanwhile, ukraine's been hit by a series of russian missile strikes overnight . missile strikes overnight. sirens in the ukrainian capital kyiv as residents sought shelter in subway stations. ukrainian authorities say they shot down 18 missiles and 25 drones over

the capital. dozens of russian missiles targeted critical infrastructure in the western region of lviv, amid reports one crossed the border into polish airspace and nato member. the whole of ukraine has been placed on alert. at least 10,000 civilians have been killed in the country since russia's invasion . well, for the latest invasion. well, for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts. scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts. now it's back to camila . to camila. >> thank you aaron. still lots more to come on today's show. in just a minute. i'm going to be joined by labour party chair anneliese dodds as shadow minister women minister for women and equalities. clarify equalities. can she clarify labour's definition of a woman once all? i'll also be once and for all? i'll also be speaking the chancellor of speaking to the chancellor of the exchequer, hunt. the exchequer, jeremy hunt. is he touch with the he out of touch with the everyday brit following his recent comments that earning £100,000 is not a huge £100,000 in surrey is not a huge salary? author and historian sir

anthony seldon will be here in the studio, giving us his two penny worth on whether we can expect a boris johnson comeback, and joined later by and i'll be joined later by former press secretary to queen elizabeth andersen , for elizabeth ii, elsa andersen, for her thoughts on the princess of wales's cancer diagnosis and what it means for the royal family. first, i'm delighted family. but first, i'm delighted to anneliese dodds, to be joined by anneliese dodds, who's labour party chair who's the labour party chair and mp oxford east. lovely to mp for oxford east. lovely to see you this morning. thank you so joining me. first of so much forjoining me. first of all, what was your reaction to the of wales's cancer the princess of wales's cancer announcement on friday afternoon ? >> 7- >> good ? >> good morning. 7 >> good morning. well, of course it's really awful to hear that news. very distressing news. but i think seeing that video really brought home actually that her highness is quite an incredible person . she's really sent out person. she's really sent out a message of hope and optimism . message of hope and optimism. and i know that for people facing similar circumstances , it facing similar circumstances, it really must have been a message that was very, very important for them as well, knowing that, as she put it, they are not

alone . alone. >> as you know, she's faced a lot of criticism on social media particularly. there's been a lot of trolling. first of all, should she be left alone and second of all, what would labour do to clean up the internet , do to clean up the internet, particularly when it comes to anonymous trolls ? anonymous trolls? >> well, there's been some really lurid speculation about her highness of course, on social media. it must have been extremely distressing to her. it's such an incredibly difficult time. it would be difficult time. it would be difficult for anyone, but going through something like that in the full glare of publicity, i think, must be incredibly hard. we do think that more needs to be done , you know, particularly be done, you know, particularly when it comes to the kind of onune when it comes to the kind of online abuse that we see so repeatedly directed , a lot of repeatedly directed, a lot of the time actually towards women, towards ethnic minority people. we need to be getting more of a grip on this. and we think the internet companies need to be doing more. you know , they're doing more. you know, they're highly profitable companies. they getting more

they do need to be getting more of a grip on this. >> yeah. do you think that actually people shouldn't be allowed posting on allowed to be posting on websites they're websites like x if they're anonymous ? anonymous? >> well, that question has come up. of course , repeatedly. but up. of course, repeatedly. but you also see people who are very happy to be identified who have been propagating in some cases, very extreme views. you know, what would actually contravene uk law. and we've not seen quick enough action being taken by by x in fact, yvette cooper, who's labour's shadow home secretary, she revealed just a few days ago many, many different messages that were posted on x that would have broken. in fact, our hate crime and extremism provisions within the uk and action had not been taken. so, you know, really these companies have got to get far more of a grip. and we've been calling on government to push do well. push them to do so as well. >> well, don't know whether >> well, i don't know whether it's , miss dodds, it's by accident, miss dodds, but can see sporting but i can see you sporting the colours and white there colours of red and white there amid this ongoing row about the england shirt, i know keir starmer has suggested that the

flag should be changed. obviously it's not in red and white, of white, it's a kind of multicoloured version. we've heard home secretary james heard from home secretary james cleverly morning saying he cleverly this morning saying he thinks fans should boycott this shirt. you think ? shirt. what do you think? >> well, i don't know if keir was going to be wearing it anyway . i was going to be wearing it anyway. i think most of us feel that there's nothing wrong with the cross that the saint george's cross that that's should have that's what they should have been but have been sticking with. but i have to when it comes to say, when it comes to football there'll be to say, when it comes to footiofl there'll be to say, when it comes to footiof parents there'll be to say, when it comes to footiof parents watching e to say, when it comes to footiof parents watching this, lots of parents watching this, knowing quite how extraordinarily expensive it is to get the kits for their kids. so there's lots of different ones now, but also how if you're a football fan, which a women's football fan, which i am thinking it was a bit of a disgrace we didn't get a disgrace that we didn't get a replica course, the replica kit. of course, for the england earps. at england goalie mary earps. at the of the tremendous the time of the tremendous success of that women's team. so you , i think it would be you know, i think it would be really good if this was focused on carefully because , you on more carefully because, you know, football is so important to people, included . to lots of people, me included. it's really important that people can support their teams in, appropriate way and in, in an appropriate way and really show that backing that

they have for, especially for our both and our england teams, both men and women as well. >> should they recall >> so should they recall this shirt and maybe produce a cheaper one? 125 not cheaper one? 125 quid's not affordable for people, is it? in affordable for people, is it? in a in a cost of living crisis ? a in a cost of living crisis? >> well, it's incredibly expensive . and actually, if you expensive. and actually, if you look at the children's kits, for example , if you have the kids example, if you have the kids names put on the back of them, my understanding is it's even more than that, from what i've heard in the media. so this is very expensive. i would like to certainly see the companies looking at this, because want looking at this, because we want our kids to get excited about football. we want them to then be and playing, on the be going out and playing, on the playing know, in the playing fields, you know, in the park, kick about park, having that kick about getting is getting fit. football is incredibly important for us in the uk and other sports too. and yes, everything that we can do to encourage that, i think is important. now you're the shadow women and equalities minister. >> you think of >> i wondered what you think of rachel reeves, your labour colleague, the shadow chancellor, to channel chancellor, trying to channel her margaret thatcher. is her inner margaret thatcher. is margaret the kind of margaret thatcher, the kind of woman labour woman that labour want to

emulate ? emulate? >> well, i think what rachel said was that we're at a turning point, and that's absolutely right . and you don't have to right. and you don't have to agree with everything that margaret thatcher did . i margaret thatcher did. i certainly don't to actually appreciate the fact that she did turn our country in a particular direction , as i say, in my view, direction, as i say, in my view, in often the wrong direction . in often the wrong direction. but she did turn our country in a particular direction . she had a particular direction. she had a particular direction. she had a particular direction. she had a particular political drive. what have we had over the last few years? will actually have had five prime ministers, seven chancellors, 12 different feeling , no feeling plans for growth, no plan, no drive, no direction . plan, no drive, no direction. and it's a bit rich, isn't it? with rachel, you would have that direction . direction. >> it's a bit rich, isn't it, for labour to now be eulogising margaret thatcher, when in the past left have absolutely past the left have absolutely vilified her? >> i think that's a misunderstanding. what rachel has said is that at the time of thatcher, there was that inflection point that turn towards a different political

direction. doesn't mean that she agreed with the political direction that was then taken. but there was a political drive for a different britain, i would say, and i'm sure and i know that rachel agrees in many ways that rachel agrees in many ways that actually turned our country sadly in the wrong direction. now, the difference we've had with recent conservative governments is has no drive governments is has been no drive , no direction, no plan. chopping and changing all of the time. and i'm afraid our country has suffered as a result of that. >> although some could say that labour don't have a plan for paying labour don't have a plan for paying for your pledge to decarbonise by 2030. what is the plan? because we're yet to plan? because we're we're yet to find out how earth this is find out how on earth this is going funded . going to be funded. >> well, we've set all of that out in detail. first of all, we would make sure that there are the regulatory changes that we need. we would deliver a once in a generation overhaul of the planning system. you know, it currently takes in the uk far longer than in other countries to make sure that there's planning permission for , for

planning permission for, for example, onshore wind. >> why would she pay for it though? >> miss dodds current government, critical government, other critical infrastructure? this has infrastructure? well, this has always been a partnership between the private sector and government as well. the problem is, however , we've not had is, however, we've not had government actually playing their part because they've made a mess of these rules. i'm afraid they've got more and more complicated. that's why labour would be delivering that reform. >> i know, but we don't know how you're going to pay for it. >> national sovereign wealth fund. well i will taxes go up, will spending go up . so that will spending go up. so that that was about regulation. what i just talked about, which is important that's not to do with pubuc important that's not to do with public spending. it's a different area of government activity. we have set out plans, for example, for a national sovereign wealth fund. now that would be partly by plugging the holes in the windfall tax that the government sadly has left after belatedly introduced after they belatedly introduced that tax. but, you know, there's a big difference, camilla, between what labour is setting

out, especially on taxation and what we're seeing under the conservatives. we've seen taxes going up 25 times under the conservatives. so they'll come down under labour. households are going to be paying . well, are going to be paying. well, our instinct is always to make sure that working people are not paying sure that working people are not paying the price for government mistakes. that's what's happened, i'm afraid, under the conservatives so of course our approach would always be to try and reduce that impact on working people. we've seen the opposite , i'm afraid, under opposite, i'm afraid, under recent conservative governments. okay. >> very , very briefly, miss >> very, very briefly, miss dodds. you say you believe in easier self—identify on gender self—identification, but also in protecting women's spaces. isn't that rather oxymoronic ? that rather oxymoronic? >> quite the opposite. we believe that it's possible to deliver change to the gender recognition certification regime. and sorry for viewers who haven't followed this in detail. it's a rather technical area, but currently there's a huge amount of detail that people have to provide. for

example, if they've had some medical change, if they've had surgery, for example, to their bodies, they have to provide detail of every aspect of that. if they haven't , they don't have if they haven't, they don't have to provide that information at all. possible to all. we believe it's possible to deliver those changes in a way that commands public that still commands public support. we're confident that we can deliver that in the changes that we've set out. because just as you said, camilla, it is important that we can protect single—sex spaces, also single—sex spaces, but we also need trans people with need to treat trans people with dignity as well. we can do both at same time. at the same time. >> dodds thank you >> anneliese dodds thank you very joining me very much indeed forjoining me this . now don't. up this morning. now don't. up next, i'm going be speaking next, i'm going to be speaking to chancellor of the to the chancellor of the exchequer, hunt. why exchequer, jeremy hunt. why haven't had a spring haven't the tories had a spring budget tuned

welcome back to the camilla tominey show on gb news. earlier on, i had the pleasure of sitting down with the chancellor, whose recent budget

didn't have the effect he didn't quite have the effect he might for. he might have hoped for. does he still few tricks left up still have a few tricks left up his entice voters ? i'm his sleeve to entice voters? i'm delighted to be joined now in the studio by the chancellor of the studio by the chancellor of the exchequer, jeremy hunt. lovely see you again, lovely to see you again, chancellor , so good chancellor, so soon? good morning. start? morning. camilla. can we start? do mind if i ask you a do you mind if i ask you a personal question to begin with? because is because i know cancer is something affected your something that's affected your family lost family very deeply. you've lost your parents to cancer last yeah your parents to cancer last year. you lost your beloved brother . and i year. you lost your beloved brother .and i know brother charlie. and i know you're running a london marathon to raise money royal to raise money for the royal surrey centre, you've surrey cancer centre, and you've had scare. so had your own cancer scare. so what was your reaction to the princess of wales's news? >> well , i princess of wales's news? >> well, i think i had a lump in my throat like most people did because first of all, i think your heart goes out to anyone who's through that. but who's going through that. but i think thing really think the thing that really struck a chord was her talking about how difficult it was to talk to her own children and i think that, you know, most families do , sadly, have to face families do, sadly, have to face a cancer scare at some stage or another. and that's actually the

most difficult thing of all. how do you tell your kids, what's going on? so that they are in the picture, but not over scared? and she's obviously been wrestling with that and i think when she talked about that openly, which is a very brave thing to do, i think she connected with a lot of us with your piece of advice to them, then, be to be as open as possible with the children, i think really for me to think it's not really for me to give advice to any other family because everyone is different, you know, you've got kids , i've you know, you've got kids, i've got kids. they're always smarter than you think they are. they do figure out what's going on, but it's also very, very scary. and so i think you just have to find a way, as she shared with the country, of giving them the hope that they need in situations like this. >> well, of course we wish you well with your marathon. by the way, i know you're in the middle of the moment , way, i know you're in the middle of the moment, and, of training at the moment, and, and of a very, very busy and on top of a very, very busy job, let's talk about the budget

then. i mean, you happy with then. i mean, are you happy with how landed? because the how it landed? because the commentary has that commentary has been that it hasn't really moved the dial, that rishi sunak and the tories are behind in the are still well behind in the polls. so it hasn't had the boost that might hoped . boost that you might have hoped. >> know, politicians >> well, you know, politicians always, like to do well in the polls, but the job of a chancellor is to do the right thing for the economy. and i think what seen this week, think what we've seen this week, after budget inflation going after the budget inflation going down to 3.4, that shows that the difficult decisions that i took when i became chancellor 18 months ago, really horrible decisions because we had inflation over 11, at that penod inflation over 11, at that period , it wasn't just period, it wasn't just inflation, but people were very worried about living standards. and the office for budget responsibility said they would fall by 2% in the following yeah fall by 2% in the following year. they've actually risen . so year. they've actually risen. so i think the economy is in much better shape than it might have been. and i think when it comes to the election , the real poll to the election, the real poll that, you know, politicians always say the only poll that really matters the election.

really matters is the election. that's the that's really a choice about the future. and when it comes to things like tax, what the conservatives say is yes, we had to put them up, but we think they come down. we've they should come down. we've made a start. to go made a start. we want to go further. labour party rachel reeves in her lecture this week over an hour, she didn't mention once bringing down the tax burden. >> well, when should they come down? because you're running out of time. i mean, will there be another fiscal between now another fiscal event between now and ? and the election? >> i think that depends when the election is. >> suggested might >> and you've suggested it might be in october. >> that's always been, my >> well, that's always been, my working the prime working assumption. the prime minister's working assumption, so potentially be so there would potentially be time for another one. but you can't say at this stage whether you're going to have the room to cut taxes further because lots of things can change in the economy between now and then. but do want people to but but we do want people to know we want to bring know that, yes, we want to bring the tax burden down. and i think the tax burden down. and i think the important thing for gb news viewers is this isn't just about putting money in people's pockets, although people have been finding things if you

been finding things tough if you look around the world, places like north america and asia with lower taxes, grow faster . and if lower taxes, grow faster. and if we want to be a dynamic economy, we want to be a dynamic economy, we don't want to go into that slow growth pattern that you so often get in countries where the tax burden has been hiked up. >> but then the obvious question would be why weren't you more radical with the budget? you talked this of double talked about this idea of double taxation with income tax and national . i was national insurance. i was listening to you in the chamber thinking, my goodness me, it's going scrap national going to scrap national insurance. that insurance. you haven't gone that far. you briefed far. but afterwards you briefed that you might. i appreciate there's cut to national there's been the cut to national insurance, but you haven't cut income the tax bands income tax. and the tax bands remain frozen so that we have this thousands this situation with thousands and thousands more people being fiscally dragged into higher tax rate bands. so you talk a good game when comes to cutting game when it comes to cutting tax, haven't actually tax, but you haven't actually cut at not income tax anyway. >> well , let's cut to the quick >> well, let's cut to the quick of this, i've been very honest with you. i think in our last interview that yes, we put taxes

up after the pandemic and the energy shock, and i haven't bought way down to bought them all the way down to where were before. so where they were before. and so you things fiscal you do have things like fiscal drag. but have made a start drag. but we have made a start and £0.04 off national insurance for people that'll be for people in work that'll be worth about £900 in the coming yeah worth about £900 in the coming year. that's a start . worth about £900 in the coming year. that's a start. but worth about £900 in the coming year. that's a start . but why year. that's a start. but why didn't i go further, which is your yes, your question , with your yes, your question, with pubuc your yes, your question, with public finances, where they are , public finances, where they are, the only way i could have gone further would have been to increase borrowing to fund tax cuts, and that wouldn't have been cut, because been a real tax cut, because that would basically that would have been basically saying, to increase saying, we're going to increase borrowing, send borrowing, we're going to send the generations. the bill to future generations. but not a real tax cut but it's not a real tax cut because someone else is picking up the tab. so i went as far as i could possibly go responsibly . i could possibly go responsibly. >> so although you talk about cutting tax, but if you look at the forecasts by the obr and indeed the ifs , they suggest indeed the ifs, they suggest that we're still going to be paying that we're still going to be paying more tax in five years time anyway because of fiscal drag. what their numbers drag. well, what their numbers show actually, that show actually, is that because of decisions i've taken, tax

of the decisions i've taken, tax will be about 0.6% of a proportion of gdp lower than it would have been. >> and that includes, by the way, the tax rises that i did in the autumn statement 18 months ago. all together . and ago. so put it all together. and actually we have started to reduce where they reduce taxes from where they were going to be. but yes, i would to bring absolute would like to bring the absolute levels of tax absolutely. levels of tax down. absolutely. >> on that path to >> and i started on that path to scrap ni completely. >> i would like employees when can you imagine being able to do that you offered that , for that if you offered that, for instance, in a fiscal event before election, which was before the election, which was obviously be good electioneering, that electioneering, when would that feasibly be able to take place? >> well, i can't responsibly promise a date because it depends on all sorts of things , depends on all sorts of things, including, you know, what putin doesin including, you know, what putin does in ukraine and international energy prices. >> but what i can say is that for two fiscal events in a row, for two fiscal events in a row, for the autumn statement and the budget, i have been able to make a significant cut in personal taxation without increasing borrowing, without without

risking our public services and a conservative government will go further because we've shown we can do it and we'll continue on that journey, let's talk about a little bit of controversy that was caused by you in the week talking to, somebody about a lady in godalming, talking about the eligibility for the government's childcare offeh and you made the point about one person earning over 100 grand a year and you said that that was quotes, not a huge salary in our area . if you have a mortgage to area. if you have a mortgage to pay, area. if you have a mortgage to pay, you're talking about being an mp in surrey. 100 grand isn't an mp in surrey. 100 grand isn't a large amount of money to earn. well i was talking to a lady who was explaining to me the average house prices in that part of the world, £670,000. >> if you've got a mortgage, if you're paying childcare, what looks like a very high salary doesn't go as far as you might think it would. >> and but, you know, that's under 40 years of tory rule, isn't it? >> i mean, 100 grand is, what,

four times or less the four times more or less the average salary in this country. so that's a hell of a lot of to money earn, isn't it? why are people on 100 grand feeling that they don't have enough money under conservative government? under a conservative government? >> i've cough >> well. sorry, i've got a cough , the reason is because, we've been through a very difficult period. we've had a pandemic, we've had an energy crisis. and by way, it's not just people by the way, it's not just people on salary, people on on that salary, it's people on all salaries . if you look at the all salaries. if you look at the average salary in this country, £35,000, they have been feeling the pinch and those people will see their tax bills go down by £900 this year. if you look at people on an even lower salary, the lowest legally payable salary, the national living wage, because i've increased that to £11.44, they will see if they're working full time. their income go up by £1,800. so that's the difference. you know , that's the difference. you know, conservative government says that people at all parts of the income spectrum are finding life tough. we want to relieve that pressure . if we're honest, we

pressure. if we're honest, we can't do it overnight. but we're making a start. >> but isn't there a kind of cake and eat it scenario for the government here that you government here in that you claim sort plaudits for claim sort of plaudits for bringing inflation down, but you don't take responsibility it don't take responsibility for it having up first place? >> well, with respect, it's because it wasn't us. it was because it wasn't us. it was because of what putin did in ukraine pushed up global ukraine that pushed up global energy i will ukraine that pushed up global energresponsibility i will ukraine that pushed up global energresponsibility for i will ukraine that pushed up global energ responsibility for lots ll ukraine that pushed up global energ responsibility for lots of take responsibility for lots of things that we've gone wrong, but not invasion of ukraine. but not the invasion of ukraine. >> energy prices have >> if global energy prices have come obviously the >> if global energy prices have comyof obviously the >> if global energy prices have comyof living obviously the >> if global energy prices have comyof living crisisiviously the >> if global energy prices have comyof living crisis has|sly the cost of living crisis has improved across the improved generally across the whole the sort of global whole of the sort of global spectrum, of you spectrum, then the idea of you personally claiming responsibility numbers responsibility for these numbers coming seems coming down, probably seems a bit disingenuous. >> well, think you've talked >> well, i think you've talked to independent economists. they would that the very would say that the very difficult decisions i took in the autumn statement of 2022 when just after i became chancellor, which did see those taxes going up, which did see pubuc taxes going up, which did see public spending being cut, that meant that we had an environment where the bank of england could focus on bringing down inflation

with interest rates. and, you know, economists say is fiscal and monetary policy needs to work together . and that's what i work together. and that's what i did. so i did have to play my part of course, it wasn't just me. >> final question on putin, just because you mentioned him, this terror in moscow, are terror attack in moscow, are you worried russian worried now that the russian president is going to use this to weaponize further to sort of weaponize further action against ukraine? we've seen blamed seen he's already blamed ukraine, erroneously, ukraine, seemingly erroneously, for this attack. >> well, we know that. we can't believe a word that man says. and, you know , it's no surprise and, you know, it's no surprise that he's trying to weaponize what happened, what i would say is that any innocent person, even if it's in russia, a country whose government we disapprove of so strongly, it is a tragedy, and we are very lucky in this country that we have brilliant intelligence agencies, mi5 , mi6, brilliant intelligence agencies, m15, m16, gchq, brilliant intelligence agencies, m15 , m16, gchq, who managed to m15, m16, gchq, who managed to stop a lot of these attacks before they happen , but, you before they happen, but, you know, our hearts go out to the families who've lost loved ones

and what happened in russia. but that doesn't mean we have to believe a putin says. believe a word putin says. >> jeremy thank >> chancellor jeremy hunt, thank you me you very much for joining me this >> thank

camilla. >> welcome back to the camilla tominey show on gb news. i'm joined now by author, historian, and political biographer sir anthony seldon . sir anthony, anthony seldon. sir anthony, lovely to see you morning. lovely to see you this morning. thank coming in. i've thank you for coming in. i've been lot of news, hasn't been a lot of news, hasn't there? was reaction to there? what was your reaction to there? what was your reaction to the princess of wales announcing that cancer on friday that she had cancer on friday night? incredibly upset. night? well incredibly upset. >> yeah. it's very that poor >> yeah. it's very sad that poor family, the children and she is just the most popular figure in the royal family. just edging prince william is also extremely popular. i think most people would be saddened and shocked, but i don't think the royal family is in crisis because none of the conditions for a royal

family crisis exist at the moment. it'sjust family crisis exist at the moment. it's just very sad to have both the king and now her, ill with this terrible disease. and let's hope it, you know, they recover soon, but it's not a crisis. >> hopefully they'll be taking comfort from each other and going through treatment at the same time. appreciate what same time. i appreciate what you're saying about it not being crisis, but doesn't monarchy crisis, but doesn't the monarchy appear to have been too slimmed down? it does seem as if down? i mean, it does seem as if and i appreciate actually, even before these health problems, you know, it was starting to look a bit too thin on the ground in the absence of harry and meghan. indeed, duke and meghan. and indeed, the duke of york, him or loathe him, of york, like him or loathe him, so , i think, i mean, camilla, so, i think, i mean, camilla, you love history, and in history, the idea of a wider royal family really hasn't been there. the spotlight has just been on the monarch and on the spouse and the principal interests. and the spouse has been the person who's going to secure the royal succession. the moments of real crisis have been when we haven't known who the

successor to be. now successor is going to be. now the succession secure into the succession is secure into the succession is secure into the 22nd century at least, and so there's not that crisis, but the notion of a wider royal family is relatively new. and, you know, look , let's hope that you know, look, let's hope that the king recovers soon. i mean, he is hyperactive, you know, that. he has so many interests. he is a workaholic, even if he can't recover to that same extent. yeah, he'll be out there as soon as he's. his doctors say that he can. and so will she. i mean, she loves, the work and how very blessed, really. the royal family but the country are to have such a popular, such a pubuc to have such a popular, such a public spirited, such a, admirable person as the princess. absolutely. >> we wish her the very best with her treatment. >> and, so no crisis, just a lot of sadness and worry . but let's of sadness and worry. but let's take them at their word that they'll soon be through it. >> well, let's talk about

somewhere where is somewhere where there is a crisis. tory oh, my crisis. the tory party. oh, my goodness, oh my goodness. well, succession planning there. i mean predictions mean what are your predictions for the election. and who comes after because after rishi sunak. because you've obviously written books after rishi sunak. because you'verecenthly written books after rishi sunak. because you'verecent successive books after rishi sunak. because you've recent successive prime. about recent successive prime ministers. and there's been you've been quite busy over the course of the last few years because the tories have obviously on obviously committed regicide on more one occasion. but your more than one occasion. but your prediction election, prediction for the election, first all, and then for rishi first of all, and then for rishi sunaks sir anthony . sunaks replacement, sir anthony. >> so, labour likely to win >> so, labour are likely to win now the polls narrow the closer you get to a general election. we know that. so the question is how much will they will they narrow at the moment, how much will they will they narrow at the moment , the narrow at the moment, the likelihood of a tory victory is slim , even with a new leader. if slim, even with a new leader. if the party does that, which i think history would show would be a mistake. so it will be a labour victory with perhaps a majority of 50 to a 100. is a good kind of guess at the moment. who will take over from rishi sunak ? my guess is whoever rishi sunak? my guess is whoever takes over after that election

defeat, if indeed it waits that long, will not be the next tory prime minister. the person who takes over is rarely the person who then goes on. yes, but there'll be somebody who's got to rebuild the tory party. i mean, what on earth the mean, what on earth does the tory party believe in now? good question. it created question. i mean, it created brexit, but it didn't know what to do brexit. if you look to do with brexit. if you look back the last 14 years, back over the last 14 years, it's been full ministerial it's been full of ministerial churn inconsistency. it's very hard in the tory party, hard to find in the tory party, digging deep into its core values and providing the kind of consistency of purpose and indeed the moral leadership that we rightly expect from the tory party so it has been, i'm afraid to say, a pretty unhappy period of tory party rule compared to 1951 to 60 4 or 19 79 to 1997 under thatcher and major. it just simply doesn't compare to that period or indeed early earlier periods of tory government. >> so what do you make of talk, then, of comebacks , either by then, of comebacks, either by david cameron, who is now being touted potentially as a future

tory leader again , and of tory leader again, and of course, your old friend boris johnson. >> so , i don't think that it >> so, i don't think that it would be wise. i think history would be wise. i think history would show that it's not wise for a party to have a new leader . now, that did happen in 1955, when anthony eden took over the month before a general election, and the tories did very well in that election . so there is a bit that election. so there is a bit of history there, but i think after much churn it would after so much churn it would look poor . i after so much churn it would look poor. i think david cameron was technically a very proficient prime minister. i think also, not everyone agrees , think also, not everyone agrees, obviously, that rishi sunak is the best prime minister technically since david cameron, but i think that he could have perhaps done more with jeremy hunt. i mean, that's a that's a grown up team, but the conditions were so adverse and i think perhaps more could have been done to have lowered expectations of what could be achieved taking over achieved by anyone taking over from liz truss, because really they're room for manoeuvre was

remarkably slight. and i think had they made it clear that they were trying to govern in the interests of the country with a more consistent sort through policy, that would have been helpful. but look , i think he's helpful. but look, i think he's done probably as well. i think history will say that he's done probably as well as any leader could it's you do want could do. it's you do not want to come prime minister to come in as a prime minister and tail end. charlie and be a tail end. charlie taking over at the end of a long penod taking over at the end of a long period of party rule. and period of one party rule. and your on a boris johnson your thoughts on a boris johnson come your thoughts on a boris johnson conle i went to your likely >> i mean, i went to your likely your spectacular hampstead synagogue, your spectacular hampstead synyworst e, your spectacular hampstead synyworst prime minister in the worst prime minister in british . british history. >> i had a lot of >> i think he had a lot of promise. he had many or some to many of the attributes that great ministers need . he's great prime ministers need. he's very good at at creating a sense of momentum, a sense of excitement. i think he fell down in as prime minister. he fell down because he didn't have the same strong team that he had around him he was in city around him when he was in city hall. those eight years. hall. for those eight years. >> so is he this knight in shining the tories? shining armour for the tories? i think that isn't. think that he isn't. >> and think it would be

>> and i think it would be a mistake for the tory party. but look, you know, it's down to them. they want to them. and if they want to make that, i think it that, then i think that it would, i think it's unlikely to come back. well, because he's unlikely any better second unlikely to be any better second time a shame time around. it's a shame because johnson could have because boris johnson could have been, as i argued , before he been, as i argued, before he became prime minister. he had the potential and the opportunity to be, a significant prime minister the great prime ministers in history are often there at times of big historical moments. there was the there was obviously the epidemic, there was the chance to really make something of brexit. and then there was the ukraine war, which he did well at. but he could have seized those opportunities more. i'm i think that history will say that he did fall short and didn't provide the kind of leadership that we, we should expect from a prime minister. >> you're working on >> you're currently working on your truss ten book, which is your truss at ten book, which is out september. i mean, who do out in september. i mean, who do you blame more for the demise of the truss or johnson? the tories, truss or johnson? >> i think in different

>> well, i think in different ways i think that, that if you look at the polling that she did a lot of damage to the tory party support , whereas boris party support, whereas boris johnson, the popularity of the party, was quite high when he left. i think in terms of the economy she did has done significant ongoing damage. but you know it again, it's a puzzle. she came to office with more experience of how to be a minister than any prime minister in 30 years. and she had a plan which was was a good growth plan. yes. but it wasn't . she plan. yes. but it wasn't. she didn't roll the pitch. she, she said that margaret thatcher was her great hero. but margaret thatcher bided her time for two years. she rolled the pitch. she caught people behind her before going in, liz truss was mesmerised by the fact that a general election in 18 months and she had to get in there very early and she simply moved too quickly and without enough premeditation , can i ask you to premeditation, can i ask you to put your headmasterly

mortarboard on just for my final question, you obviously took over epsom college after the tragic death of former head teacher emma pattison . i just teacher emma pattison. i just wondered, how are the students? how are the teachers? how's it going at epsom? >> epsom is epsom college in >> so epsom is epsom college in surrey wonderful school. surrey is a wonderful school. i've been very, very proud to be surrey is a wonderful school. i'vtheir�*n very, very proud to be surrey is a wonderful school. i'vtheir heady, very proud to be surrey is a wonderful school. i'vtheir head forery proud to be surrey is a wonderful school. i'vtheir head for 18 proud to be surrey is a wonderful school. i'vtheir head for 18 months.» be in their head for 18 months. i didn't think i've ever enjoyed or felt that a job has been more worthwhile than that. i think more generally i think mental health of young people has taken a hit, and their ability to think through the skills that they're going to need for the workplace has taken a hit in schools at large. and, you know, you can be very good at exams, but that's a long way short of being prepared for the job market or even to cope at university. so i think that we need to be thinking more in general about young people and how to give them resilience and character skills and determination to allow them to flourish in life post—covid. >> coping strategies , perhaps.

>> coping strategies, perhaps. >> coping strategies, perhaps. >> absolutely. camilla. >> absolutely. camilla. >> sir anthony, will you come back and tell us about the book once it's out? truss at ten is coming i believe in september. >> you very much. i would >> thank you very much. i would love that. >> thank you very much. i would lokaay. that. >> thank you very much. i would lokaay. thank you very much >> okay. thank you very much indeed lovely see you. morning. lovely to see you. well, next, i'm going to be well, up next, i'm going to be speaking to my fellow gb news host, portillo and host, michael portillo and reflecting princess of reflecting on the princess of wales's with wales's cancer diagnosis with somebody who knows the royals very well. the queen's very well. the late queen's former press elsa former press secretary, elsa andersen. anywhere

welcome back to the camilla tominey show on gb news. michael portillo joins me now. michael, what's on your show at 11? >> good morning. >> good morning. >> camilla, i'm going to be asking whether media companies have a responsibility to control misinformation, the sort of misinformation, the sort of misinformation that is being put out about the princess of wales,

in hong kong, there's a tremendous crackdown on liberty and free speech. i'm going to be talking to one of the democracy campaigners who now lives in britain , and talking about the britain, and talking about the way in which the chinese seek to control people , even living way in which the chinese seek to con'unitedyple , even living way in which the chinese seek to con'united kingdom.i living way in which the chinese seek to con'united kingdom. we'll] way in which the chinese seek to con'united kingdom. we'll be the united kingdom. we'll be looking back 80 years to the great escape and asking , what great escape and asking, what was the truth about that extraordinary event when hundreds of allied prisoners escaped from stalag luft number three and stefan kiritsis, who always does theatre reviews for me, will be taking us to the ballet. >> brilliant. sounds fantastic michael. we look forward to that at 11. thank you very much. thank you . now, in just thank you. now, in just a minute, i'm going to be speaking to the former royal aide, elsa andersen, princess andersen, about the princess of wales's message wales's courageous video message announcing has cancer. but announcing she has cancer. but first, weather. first, here's the weather. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb

news. >> hello. here's your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. sunday promises to be a much quieter day weather wise across the uk than on saturday. drier, brighter less blustery too. brighter and less blustery too. there are still 1 or showers there are still 1 or 2 showers around particularly around today, particularly towards the north of scotland. still wintry across the hilltops, , but elsewhere hilltops, there, but elsewhere the winds are, say are much lighter, more in way lighter, more in the way of sunshine any showers, lighter, more in the way of sunsisolated any showers, lighter, more in the way of sunsisolated andany showers, lighter, more in the way of sunsisolated and with howers, lighter, more in the way of sunsisolated and with an/ers, very isolated and with an extra bit sunshine the winds bit of sunshine and the winds being much lighter too, it being that much lighter too, it should bit warmer on should feel a bit warmer than on saturday. temperatures peaking in southeast in the south and southeast at around about 12 13 celsius at around about 12 or 13 celsius at 13. in london, it's 55 in 13. there in london, it's 55 in fahrenheit nearer average towards the north at 8 to 11 celsius. as we go through the evening, we'll start to see some outbreaks of rain working their way west, pushing in way in from the west, pushing in across northern ireland across parts of northern ireland and other westernmost areas. whereas and whereas towards the north and east, go through sunday east, as we go through sunday night, on some night, we'll hold on to some clearer it will clearer conditions here. it will turn at least turn quite chilly, at least for a because the of a time, because the touch of frost here, whereas towards frost here, whereas out towards the wind and the west that cloud, wind and rain will lift rain will start to lift temperatures. morning

temperatures. and by the morning on temperatures in on monday, temperatures in belfast, for example, will be around celsius 43 in around six celsius 43 in fahrenheit. that the scene fahrenheit. that sets the scene for a bit of an east west split in our weather on monday. wet at times, fairly blustery conditions out conditions developing out towards quite towards the west. some quite heavy of rain at times. heavy bursts of rain at times. we hold sunnier skies we do hold on to sunnier skies towards the north and east, with some gradually in some cloud gradually pushing in there the day there as we go through the day from but in the best from the west. but in the best of sunshine with the of that sunshine and with the winds staying light out winds staying fairly light out towards temperatures winds staying fairly light out towards into temperatures winds staying fairly light out towards into doubleyeratures winds staying fairly light out towards into double figures; winds staying fairly light out towards into double figures , will climb into double figures, but feeling cooler with that wind towards the wind and rain out towards the west. it. see you soon. west. that's it. see you soon. bye bye. >> things are heating >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> well, as promised, i'm joined now by the former press secretary to queen elizabeth ii, elsa anderson . thank you for elsa anderson. thank you for joining me today in the studio. what was your reaction to the news? >> oh, my golly, i, i can't think of anyone who would not have been incredibly moved by that. i mean, she showed her

vulnerability, it was genuine. it was honest. it was heartfelt , it was honest. it was heartfelt, honestly, it generally brought me to tears. it really was. it was amazing. >> i mean, i was so shocked because obviously we knew she had been very unwell. we knew she had had the serious surgery. but out, two senior but to find out, two senior members of the royal family have cancer and are going through treatment at same time, treatment at the same time, i mean , obviously we consider them mean, obviously we consider them to be a family firm, but they're also a family. to be a family firm, but they're also a family . at the end of the also a family. at the end of the day, your heart goes out, particularly prince of particularly to the prince of wales father his wife wales, his father and his wife going this. absolutely. going through this. absolutely. >> 1 in 2 people >> but, you know, 1 in 2 people in the get diagnosed with in the uk, get diagnosed with canceh in the uk, get diagnosed with cancer. there are 3 million people living with it. and i think those people and everyone actually can resonate with with her message, you know, they are members of the royal family, but cancer is a great leveller. yes. and you can be a prince a and you can be a prince or a pauper and, you know, it doesn't discriminate. >> oh, so you can you can relate to them particularly and relate to them particularly and relate to her in about having to her in talking about having to her in talking about having to tell children know as a to tell the children i know as a mum, well, you've

mum, i know well, you've got you've got young children, i've got children. got young children. >> to it to >> and actually to break it to them and they're young, i think them and they're young, i think the was very, very the timing was was very, very good. you know, they, they broadcasted day that the broadcasted it the day that the children breaking up children were breaking up for the holidays. they're children were breaking up for the going holidays. they're children were breaking up for the going toylidays. they're children were breaking up for the going toylid questionedy're not going to be questioned at school. going be school. so they're going to be afforded, willing, a bit of afforded, god willing, a bit of sort of peace and privacy while they information . they process this information. and i'm sure they've got lots and lots of questions to ask their parents, of course. >> and actually, that timing, i mean, they've mean, they said that they've held obviously seems held back, obviously, she seems to out was to have found out that it was cancer after the operation . we cancer after the operation. we think that's reason why think that's the reason why prince out of prince william pulled out of the, memorial service to king constantine of greece at the last minute . he cited personal last minute. he cited personal reasons. obviously, reasons. we now know, obviously, that devastating that they got this devastating news. then there's a bit of a gap they gather their gap while they gather their thoughts , she says thoughts, she says in the message. we message. you know, we need a time to process such shocking news, also to tell the news, but also to tell the children difficult for the children it's difficult for the palace, though, to manage this situation where the void end up being filled by conspiracy theorists online, theorists and trolls online, just with your pr hat on,

because things have changed a bit since you were in the royal household. yeah, is almost household. yeah, this is almost impossible , isn't it? impossible to manage, isn't it? >> it is very much so. and i do think in this age of social media, you're always going to have those conspiracy theorists and, you know, you can do everything you can, but you'll still have that that hopefully small minority who won't believe won't anything. and you won't believe anything. and you know, i'm sure like you, you know, i'm sure like you, you know, i've read some awful things on social media about her, why hasn't been her, about why she hasn't been seen public. and it's bad seen in public. and it's bad enough having to cope with, you know , a major operation and then know, a major operation and then find that actually find out that you've actually got cancer and you're going to be treated for cancer. but to have this background noise of these, trolls on these, you know, vile trolls on social media making up all sorts of ridiculous stories about you, which your friends are reading, your family are reading. mean, your family are reading. i mean, it piles on the pressure it just piles on the pressure for you. >> i wi for you. >> i the response w the response to for you. >> i the response to that >> i mean, the response to that was the mothering day was obviously the mothering day photograph. i mean, it was photograph. and, i mean, it was a beautiful photograph. there's then a controversy over whether it was edited or not. the palace

clearly decided to that clearly decided to put that image out, to and silence image out, to try and silence some critics who were some of the critics who were constantly asking, where's kate? people were people like you and me were saying, we know where she is. she's recovering major she's recovering from major surgery home in windsor. but surgery at home in windsor. but does the palace have to be careful here? not to be too reactive to people who are basically just causing trouble onune? >> yes, absolutely. sometimes you've hold your you've just got to hold your nerve . yeah. because if you nerve. yeah. because if you start, if sort of crack open start, if you sort of crack open that , then people want it that door, then people want it to be pushed open . so to be pushed right wide open. so and you've set a precedent. so sometimes it is, you know , hold sometimes it is, you know, hold your nerve, keep strong, keep calm on as the queen calm and carry on as the queen would say, we'll never complain, never explain. >> better just to >> sometimes it's better just to say and keep a say nothing totally. and keep a sort upper lip . sort of stiff upper lip. >> but it's hard because it's relentless, know that that relentless, you know that that pubuc relentless, you know that that public scrutiny is absolutely relentless. is very hard relentless. so it is very hard to, you know, say nothing. >> well, i think the media has to take some responsibility as well mean, taken to take some responsibility as we|of mean, taken to take some responsibility as we|of stick mean, taken to take some responsibility as we|of stick overmean, taken to take some responsibility as we|of stick over the n, taken to take some responsibility as we|of stick over the weekendi to take some responsibility as we|of stick over the weekend , bit of stick over the weekend, people saying, oh, know, people saying, oh, you know, you're alone. you're saying leave her alone. but has been part of but the media has been part of the frenzy. i would say

the feeding frenzy. i would say that, there's that, of course, there's a legitimate newspapers legitimate right for newspapers to events , to report actual news, events, but we should be careful not to be stoking some of the stuff onune be stoking some of the stuff online by writing about it. you know, you often see articles, oh, somebody said on x, somebody said on facebook, who said on facebook, well, who cares? people aren't cares? these people aren't experts. know. experts. i know. >> but course >> absolutely. but of course with major royal stories, with big major royal stories, you have all sorts of so—called experts coming out of the woodwork talking about it, and, yeah, i think going forward, let her have some peace, let her have some privacy, let the family have some privacy so she can recuperate. >> the palace be >> the palace shouldn't be providing commentary. providing a running commentary. >> absolutely not. and we never did queen was, did when the late queen was, was unwell prince philip. unwell or prince philip. we always going always say we're not going to provide commentary provide a day to day commentary on their condition. >> tell because you >> just tell us, because you work obviously at work with them. obviously at very what's the very close quarters. what's the princess actually like ? princess of wales actually like? somebody commented earlier, that's the time that's the first time i've really seen her speak at length. i mean, obviously people don't cover the everyday jobs that i see. i've seen her speak at lecterns and i've seen her

interact with people on jobs. she's always struck me to be exactly as she seems, frankly, on screen. she's very poised, but what she likes very poised, she's genuine. she's very genuine. >> you know, i've met her on numerous occasions . warm, numerous occasions. warm, chatty, kind. you know, i suppose you'd expect me to say that anyway. but genuinely, i think i haven't really heard that many people ever say a bad word about her, to be honest. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> i mean, she she came around to our press office when i think she pregnant with she was just pregnant with prince george, chatted prince george, and she chatted to members team. to all the members of the team. >> genuine interest >> she had a genuine interest and a public and that wasn't a public engagement. just engagement. that was just chatting members at chatting to staff members at buckingham palace so she didn't have an she just have to put on an act. she just came chatted to us. you came in and chatted to us. you know, that's that's really kind. and say thank you to and also to say thank you to members of staff who, know, members of staff who, you know, support and her work. support her and her work. >> yes. yeah. i mean, i think she's been renowned , hasn't she, she's been renowned, hasn't she, within the household for being pretty being good pretty down to earth, being good with staff. we can tell they've had their own private had members of their own private household, their housekeeper, their that they've had

their nanny, that they've had for years and years and years, which was always a sign. we used to about prince philip, to say that about prince philip, who had the same members of staff a staff literally for half a century. absolutely. >> were older than him. >> indeed. well, i'm sure if >> indeed. well, i'm not sure if they a couple of them they maybe a couple of them were, it comes to how the were, when it comes to how the royals cope with this, you will have think sir anthony have heard, i think sir anthony seldon, in the studio earlier saying crisis for saying this isn't a crisis for the monarchy. do you agree with that? >> i absolutely, totally agree with that. it's not a crisis. a crisis is an abdication . an crisis is an abdication. an a crisis is an abdication. an a crisis is an abdication. an a crisis is not knowing the line of succession. this is not this is a bump in the road. this is not a major earthquake, in my opinion. you know, you've got two senior members of the royal family are who are family who are ill, who are being treated cancer. but being treated for cancer. but hopefully is a blip and hopefully this is a blip and going they will going forward they will recuperate , and carry on doing recuperate, and carry on doing the amazing work that they do. >> i mean, it has been remarkable that prince william still has been carrying out the engagements, been engagements, knowing what's been going on. let's also have a word about queen camilla, because she's 76 years old. i mean, obviously before marrying into the royal family, she's an

ordinary mother and housewife living a fairly quiet life. she gets thrust into the limelight well beyond retirement age. i think she's played a bit of a bundeh think she's played a bit of a blinder, to be honest. i mean, she seems it seems as if she's. now, who would have thought it 20 years holding the fort? 20 years ago holding the fort? i know , and also the media know, and also the media coverage about her has been extraordinary. >> again, going back 20, 30 years she was, you know, it years ago, she was, you know, it was vitriolic . now she can't put was vitriolic. now she can't put a foot wrong, which is amazing. and saw her in northern and we saw her in northern ireland carrying out ireland last week carrying out engagements . she's incredibly engagements. she's incredibly popular. and i you know, i haven't a bad word written haven't seen a bad word written about her. i know it's extraordinary. >> having said that , does it >> having said that, does it look like there are too few royals go around royals to go around at the moment? been slimmed down moment? has it been slimmed down too we? elsa, brace too much? should we? elsa, brace yourself and create roles in working life for the likes working royal life for the likes of princess beatrice and eugenie? maybe even say to zara and mike tindall, look, you're popular in the royal family. come work for the firm. come and work for the firm. >> yeah, they are very popular, i the balance is i think. i think the balance is right the moment. i think right at the moment. i think obviously we have two members of

the of action, the royal family out of action, but will come into the but they will come back into the fold king is still fold again. the king is still carrying out certain engagements. having his engagements. he's having his weekly prime weekly audience with the prime minister we've seen him meet commonwealth so he is commonwealth people. so he is still undertaking some engagements. he's i'm sure he's still doing his red boxes, and, and the princess of wales will come back, what i would like to say about her again is just i think the wonderful thing is the support of her family and only her husband, the middleton, the middleton, as well the middleton, as well as the reading middleton's tweets. >> have mountain climb >> we have a mountain to climb together. it a lovely together. it was a lovely setting. really setting. isn't that really lovely? elsa lovely to speak to you this morning, albeit under sad circumstances . we of course sad circumstances. we of course wish the princess all the very best. back just after best. i'll be back just after easter. dame arlene foster is going for me next going to fill in for me next sunday, but of course michael portillo is next. until then , portillo is up next. until then, i'm you very, very i'm wishing you a very, very happy easter

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