arrested and tried as traitors. d0 arrested and tried as traitors. do you agree with that? also today, a survey shows the lowest satisfaction levels in the nhs since records began . are you since records began. are you satisfied with how it's all going or not? and if not, how on earth do we fix it all and get this allowance is set to rise for the house of lords to a whopping £360 per day. i'm in the wrong job. but in addition, they'll also be able to claim £100 a night to stay over in london two. do you support that or not? and over in oxford they want to start charging bigger cars, more money to park . good cars, more money to park. good idea. or just plain old simple idea. orjust plain old simple politics of envy. you tell me . politics of envy. you tell me. indeed. i've got all that coming up and more. i want to get stuck into as well. that story. have you seen yet another social services review saying that the child services failed yet another child? what on earth goes on in this society? we'll

have it all and more. but before we do, let's cross live for tonight's latest news headlines . tonight's latest news headlines. >> michelle, thank you and good evening to you. well, the top story from the newsroom tonight is that a poll has found that fewer than 1 in 4 people in britain are satisfied with the national health service. it's had level since had its lowest level since records began in fact, 40 years ago, with of access to gps ago, with lack of access to gps among the chief concerns, long waiting times are also a major worry. 24% of patients who were surveyed said they are satisfied with the health service. that's down from 70% in 2010, the report found that tight funding and staff shortages over the last decade has left the nhs in a continual state of crisis . a continual state of crisis. well, the education secretary today said that the government is working to improve standards. >> the nhs has had, you know, to deal with the pandemic and we

all know that that has created huge backlogs and huge waiting lists and we're all committed to catch up to provide a faster , catch up to provide a faster, simpler, fairer nhs. we're investing £165 billion a year. obviously, if you're investing that much, you want to have people satisfied with the service they're getting. but we do know that we've been tackling, i mean, think for the last four months the waiting lists have started to come down. but we're tackling a huge backlog. what's interesting is actually england , the actually england, the conservative run england the performance and the catch up is much better than in labour run wales or in snp run scotland. >> gillian keegan now labour, says it'll ban the bosses of water companies who oversee the pollution of britain's waterways from receiving bonuses . it's from receiving bonuses. it's after new figures show sewage was dumped into waterways for more than 3.6 million hours in 2023. that's more than double the previous year and the highest level on record. the leader of the liberal democrats, ed davey, says he's been warning the conservatives about what he

calls a sewage scandal for years , liberal democrats have been warning the conservatives about this sewage scandal for years. >> but the fact that it's polluting our rivers, our beaches and pushing ecosystems to the brink of collapse . but to the brink of collapse. but rishi sunak and the conservatives just haven't listened. they've done far too little. that's why we need a national environmental emergency to be declared and the sage health experts to come to make sure that we are protecting human health, which is in danger because of this . because of this. >> ed davey, now a teacher who lost his job for what he said was his refusal to use a student's preferred pronoun, has had his unfair dismissal claim rejected. kevin lister taught maths for 18 years at new college, swindon, before he was sacked for gross misconduct in the lead up to the hearing, he said it was not the role of a teacher to confirm the gender transition of a student. but carol kitching, who was the school's principal at the time, said he wasn't dismissed for his

beliefs but rather for the way he harassed and treated the student . the uk and the united student. the uk and the united states have imposed joint sanctions on the fundraising network linked to the terror group hamas. the measures target hamza sultani and mustafa ayash, who are suspected of supporting gaza. now that's a media network accused of promoting the terror group. it marks the fourth coordinated move to sanction hamas fundraisers since the attacks in israel of october the 7th. now the children's service involved in the case of a murdered ten month old baby boy, just weeks after he was handed back to his parents, say they are profoundly sorry. they were unable to prevent his death. finley bowden's parents, shannon marsden and stephen bowden, inflicted over 100 injuries on their son before he died at the family home in derbyshire on christmas day 2020. they were given life sentences in may. it comes after a safeguarding review found that while finley's

parents were responsible for his death, professional interventions by the local authority should have protected him . to news from the united him. to news from the united states now and in particular the state of maryland, where audios emerged detailing the moment that emergency workers tried to evacuate the bridge in baltimore shortly before it collapsed . shortly before it collapsed. take a listen. >> there's a ship approaching it just lost their steering. so until they get that under control, we gotta stop all traffic. 1013 dispatch. the whole bridge just fell down. start, start. whoever. everybody the whole bridge just collapsed. >> the whole bridge just collapsed. says that audio. it comes after the search for survivors was suspended. six construction workers are presumed dead . video footage presumed dead. video footage captured the moment the ship crashed into the bridge yesterday morning. the city's port is one of the busiest in the eastern united states and is now closed indefinitely . a now closed indefinitely. a driver who led police on a

reckless high speed chase reaching speeds of more than 140 miles an hour, has been jailed. munib mehran was caught speeding on the m4 when officers asked him to pull over instead, as dashcam footage shows, he sped up . the 23 year old admitted up. the 23 year old admitted charges including dangerous driving and possession of cannabis. wiltshire police says it's fortunate nobody was injured. he's been sentenced to 26 months in prison and disqualified from driving for 18 months. that's the news. for the latest stories, do sign up to gb news alerts. scan the qr code on the screen right now or go to gb news. carmelites . news. carmelites. >> thanks very much for that, polly. i am michelle dewberry and i'm keeping you company until 7:00 tonight alongside me, my panel of former mep and conservative peer in the house

of lords, jacqueline foster, and the co—founder of novara media, aaron bastani. good evening to both of you and you know the drill, don't you, on this program, it's about you guys at home as well. what's on your mind tonight? i've got a packed show coming up to you for you. i want to talk about potential traitors going over to fight for russia. i want to talk about parking. should bigger cars like your by fours, your suvs. four by fours, whatever pay whatever should they have to pay more also the nhs. more to park? also the nhs. are you happy it at the moment you happy with it at the moment or not? that and lots more coming your way. you can get in touch with me all the usual ways. vaiews@gbnews.com how ways. vaiews@gbnews.com is how you you can tweet you email me. or you can tweet or text me at gb news. but for now , ladies and gents, i confess now, ladies and gents, i confess i start my programme tonight . i start my programme tonight. very angry indeed. in fact, actually i'm furious. well why? because of course, we've had yet another safeguarding review published today, which focused on the murder of yet another young child. this time it was ten month old finley bird and his killers, of course, were his

parents and whilst i was angry enough at that, i was tipped over the edge when the report found that yet again, this child was another one that was failed by the services that were supposed to him. i tell supposed to protect him. i tell you this is a bit you now, this is a bit distressing to hear. i warn you in advance, because finley died with 130 injuries, and among in advance, because finley died with 1he injuries, and among in advance, because finley died with 1he had ies, and among in advance, because finley died with 1he had fracturesamong in advance, because finley died with 1he had fractures to ong in advance, because finley died with 1he had fractures to his those he had fractures to his collarbones and his thighs, his pelvis was smashed in two places, likely from being stamped on. his injuries were similar to that seen in multi—storey falls. he had burns on his hand , one from a hot flat on his hand, one from a hot flat surface, another likely from a cigarette lighter flame. and this little boy, originally taken from his parents house, was almost instantly returned to them and whilst with his parents, social workers missed multiple visits , they didn't multiple visits, they didn't follow up on issues, they didn't follow up on issues, they didn't follow up on issues, they didn't follow up properly with health workers, and they didn't even intervene when they saw his mum. likely buying drugs. the report today concluded that baby finley should have been one of the most protected children in the local

authority area. instead, he became like a lamb to the slaughter and i wonder how many more times are we going to hear that lessons need to be learnt? that changes need to be made, that people are sorry and so on and so forth? how many children are going to be failed before that? actually happens? and so the services, i say the children's services, i say this we should have a change in the now, which sees those the law now, which sees those responsible caring for these responsible for caring for these children criminally children be held criminally responsible . if a child is responsible. if a child is murdered on watch, and if murdered on their watch, and if it evident that duties it becomes evident that duties were to those were neglected, and to those parents, i simply say this i hope whilst in prison you get everything you deserve . everything you deserve. jacqueline, i've got goosebumps , jacqueline, i've got goosebumps, right? i've lost count now of the amount of children that i've covered on this. i mean, we've only been broadcasting for a couple of years there or thereabouts. the amount of children, now that we've seen , children, now that we've seen, that have been tortured and killed parents and all killed by their parents and all the time it feels like you hear this sentencing. we're sorry , this sentencing. we're sorry, you know, we made mistakes.

lessons be learned. it's lessons will be learned. it's nonsense. lessons are never learned. that why? >> i have no idea. and i think what i think is most frustrating is the naivety by, i think probably a lot of social workers do try and do a very good job, but nevertheless, this is happening all the time. i think the point raised lessons learned. they never seem to learned. they never seem to learn lessons. they also these people like this couple in particular, these are manipulative , deceitful people. manipulative, deceitful people. they run rings round the social workers. i think what added to this case, possibly along with quite a few that we've had over the last year, it was during lockdown and during covid, and we saw a lot of tiny or small children and some infants and others that may have gone to, say, a kindergarten or a nursery. fell through the net. and then there were reasons there were we couldn't go because there weren't enough staff around. i think in this case, one of the social workers that responsible was for that was responsible was off for six but somebody didn't

six weeks. but somebody didn't actually. she was off sick actually. yeah, she was off sick for weeks and no one got involved. >> no one picked up that. >> no one picked up that. >> find like you, i am >> i find like you, i am horrified with and i do hope horrified with it. and i do hope that get what they deserve, frankly. >> indeed, aaron. yeah >> indeed, aaron. yeah >> so it's really important to observe that the local authority here, the local authority, will have social workers, the local authority will have a child protection lawyer. they said that there should be a gradual return to the parents of the child. give their. due child. so give them their. due to that extent, the child also has access to legal guardian. has access to a legal guardian. now, historically, a guardian would a former social now, historically, a guardian would they a former social now, historically, a guardian would they seem former social now, historically, a guardian would they seem to rmer social now, historically, a guardian would they seem to bear social now, historically, a guardian would they seem to be getting worker. they seem to be getting younger these days . younger and younger these days. the a judgement the guardian made a judgement which end was actually which in the end was actually very tragic and clearly the wrong judgement . wrong judgement. >> yeah, for a swift return back to the parents, right. >> whereas whereas the local authority was saying let's do this several months. so if this over several months. so if that decision had been made that decision had not been made and magistrates sided with that decision had not been made and guardian, strates sided with that decision had not been made and guardian, then s sided with that decision had not been made and guardian, then thated with that decision had not been made and guardian, then that child :h the guardian, then that child would have safe or this would have been safe or this certainly wouldn't, not necessarily. >> when you look into >> because when you look into this, multiple visits were missed. loads of missed. there was loads of deceiving there was

deceiving going on. there was pretending kid got pretending that this kid has got covid upstairs. they didn't covid is upstairs. they didn't proceed. they didn't push. they didn't on issues. didn't follow up on issues. >> but what i want to >> well, no. but what i want to say michelle, they weren't say is, michelle, they weren't saying child should be saying that the child should be returned the parent returned to the parent immediately. the immediately. that's what the local authority's position was. there's who's there's also a guardian who's meant for the best meant to look out for the best interests of the child, which can often include going back to the right. and the the parent right. and the magistrates with magistrates sided with the guardian. what would say guardian. now, what i would say is you're saying that there should legally liable. should be legally liable. i think already i think already being or being a being a social worker or being a local authority protection local authority child protection lawyer a horrible job. your local authority child protection lawyeto a horrible job. your local authority child protection lawyeto the horrible job. your local authority child protection lawyeto the bone,.e job. your local authority child protection lawyeto the bone, you b. your local authority child protection lawyeto the bone, you don't r local authority child protection lawyeto the bone, you don't earn work to the bone, you don't earn much money. so that means two things. you don't, things. firstly, you don't, you don't really recruit the top best people. a horrible job best people. it's a horrible job and do, they get and if you do, they get knackered, they get out , knackered, they get burnt out, and either they leave the industry they just their head industry or they just their head goes, yeah, but the stakes, the stakes are too high. >> i'm afraid people can't say i was bad now and then. the outcome is a ten year old, sorry, a ten month old getting tortured. >> i entirely agree with you and having the same conversation every time. this happens. it's

gone years and you can't gone on for years and you can't say finish. say please, my finish. >> i didn't interrupt you. >> i didn't interrupt you. >> on. >> please go on. >> please go on. >> child protection is one of those things where i think it has to have more money. it has to have more money. >> just about money. >> not just about money. >> not just about money. >> you to it's not just >> if you talk to it's not just about that's a big about money, but that's a big part you talk to any you part of it. you talk to any you talk any local authority talk to any local authority child protection lawyer. you talk any social worker. they talk to any social worker. they will the job is easier. will tell you the job is easier. 25 a bunch of 25 years ago, for a bunch of reasons, they more reasons, but they are more harshly worked they harshly worked today than they were 25 ago. so the idea were 25 years ago. so the idea that we don't them more that we don't give them more resources or we don't make that job more, you know, just solvable, i is a fool's solvable, i think is a fool's errand. we can blame them. i want the problem out. i want to sort the problem out. i think more resources, think it needs more resources, better better better people, better recruitment, more paid to recruitment, more money paid to people job. people doing the job. >> honestly, that this >> honestly, i wish that this was last time we had have was the last time we had to have this conversation. was the last time we had to have this co give .ation. actually, >> i'd give anything, actually, for last time we >> i'd give anything, actually, for the last time we >> i'd give anything, actually, for the conversation,me we >> i'd give anything, actually, for the conversation, because had the conversation, because things on and changes get things move on and changes get made. unfortunately, don't made. but unfortunately, i don't think i worry that think it will be. i worry that there be more children, there will be more children, and i well. if you're i say this as well. if you're a parent, you don't abuse parent, you don't need to abuse your there's so many your child. there's so many people adopt

people desperate to adopt children. if you can't children. just let. if you can't love give them someone love them, give them to someone else love them and else that will love them and give decent life. look, give them a decent life. look, give them a decent life. look, give your thoughts gb views give me your thoughts gb views gbnews.com. honestly, don't gbnews.com. oh honestly, i don't know. let's move on because there that know. let's move on because tineed that know. let's move on because tineed to that know. let's move on because tineed to talk that know. let's move on because tineed to talk to that know. let's move on because tineed to talk to you that know. let's move on because tineed to talk to you aboutthat i need to talk to you about tonight. british men, have tonight. two british men, have been revealed. this was an expose the mirror newspaper. expose in the mirror newspaper. actually, russia, actually, they over in russia, sorry. fighting for sorry. they're fighting for russia in their war against ukraine. now, one of the former army bosses, colonel richard kemp , he's basically said these kemp, he's basically said these guys are essentially traitors , guys are essentially traitors, they should be tried. probably jailed . to that end. where are jailed. to that end. where are you on that, jacqueline? >> well, i think one of them had already been in jail for a few years. i think he's absolutely correct. they are traitors , what correct. they are traitors, what they are doing is they are fighting with regimes and countries in this case, obviously , it's russia where the obviously, it's russia where the relationship isn't great at this moment in time as they've invaded an ally and therefore now they are on the wrong side of the law, we found in one of you did a very good briefing

here because there is the law is from the foreign enlistment act 1870, which says it makes it illegal to join the armed forces of a country fighting a state of peace with britain . so they have peace with britain. so they have broken the law and it's not the first time we get these people. they're like mercenaries, really. they're not all armed forces. some. some are, and then some just go out there to join whatever group and, i think if he comes back, i think he should end up in jail again. and it is treason and there isn't, you know , anything other than that know, anything other than that to say? i mean, putin actually , to say? i mean, putin actually, putin actually blamed the uk the other day for being party to the terrible terrorist attack . yeah, terrible terrorist attack. yeah, i saw that which which killed all of those young people at the music festival that they've recently had, which actually was proven to be, the group terrorist group called isis k. but he said britain was involved in that. i mean , this is in that. i mean, this is actually what we're up against. and the people of ukraine are up against, frankly, aaron, should there be arrested? >> of course they should

>> well, of course they should be arrested. they've broken the law. the question which laws law. the question is which laws would as as would apply? and as as jacqueline a moment jacqueline just said a moment ago, interesting ago, it's really interesting that, probably be that, here they will probably be charged under anti—terror legislation. but actually, i think it makes more sense to use the legislation from 1870, the foreign enlistment act, which was just described a moment ago. and it's a classic example for me of there is a piece of legislation on the books from literally 150 years ago, which covers this perfectly. why on earth do you need to use legislation from 15 years ago? and tony blair, i have no idea, so anti—terror legislation, i don't think that quite covers it. these are people who are fighting alongside the armed forces of a hostile state. it's a state entity. it's not a non—state entity, which is generally how we think of terrorism. so absolutely should be arrested. and also, i don't know how on earth this gentleman, after being prison gentleman, after being in prison for gets for fighting in russia, gets a visa back to russia. visa to go back to russia. >> one of the things that struck me, obviously i don't think this

justifies anything, but it just kind of struck me a little bit, he said. >> of these guys said, i'm a >> one of these guys said, i'm a working class but with no working class man, but with no work. really struggling. work. he was really struggling. he was saying to find his purpose and all the rest of it here in this country. what do you think to that? >> well, i was out of work once and i know loads of people who've been out work. many who've been out of work. many times, and don't think we sort times, and i don't think we sort of you know , what do times, and i don't think we sort of think you know , what do times, and i don't think we sort of think we ou know , what do times, and i don't think we sort of think we shouldv , what do times, and i don't think we sort of think we should do? hat do times, and i don't think we sort of think we should do? let'so times, and i don't think we sort of think we should do? let's go you think we should do? let's go and visa and pop over to and get a visa and pop over to russia over and join, you russia or pop over and join, you know, or hamas or whoever, know, isis or hamas or whoever, no.the know, isis or hamas or whoever, no. the vast majority of people don't even think that way. so to sort of use that as some sort of reason or excuse or whatever is complete nonsense , he's decided complete nonsense, he's decided what he wants to he's what he wants to do. he's already done this before and he's back. he's gone back. >> do think it's nonsense? >> do you think it's nonsense? because wonder, there because i wonder, is there something this where like if something in this where like if you like said, i'm you are, like he said, i'm a working class guy. he's lost his way . and then you get caught way. and then you get caught into people spend too much time on the internet, they start reading stuff, you get sucked into stuff. you've got too much

time on your hands. then time on your hands. and then before know you're before you know it, you're getting radicalised. any any sympathy that? aaron sympathy with that? aaron >> sometimes it's true, but this gentleman is 48 years you gentleman is 48 years old. you know, if we talking about know, if we were talking about a 21 year old person who had been radicalised teenager, radicalised as a teenager, thrill abroad, i thrill seeker going abroad, i would be not sympathetic to him, certainly to the certainly sympathetic to the argument. was quite argument. he's 48. it was quite funny. article from funny. they this article from the mirror, they his the mirror, they speak to his father , who's now a strange and father, who's now a strange and i was expecting him to say the father 50s. he's 76. father was in his 50s. he's 76. this poor man. he's got a tearaway son causing him problems heartache the problems and heartache at the age that should not be. age of 48. that should not be. >> the dad is 76. he's a folk singer , a morris dancer, and singer, a morris dancer, and a former town councillor, in grades from greater manchester. apparently, he says he's cut his son off. i don't know why, but the two different worlds. you've got one fella that's busy , got one fella that's busy, morris dancing away, and then his offspring can be this kind of wrong'un. as i said, his dad has disowned him. we shall follow that story with interest and see what if anything, happens next. but what are your

thoughts it? gb views that gb thoughts on it? gb views that gb news. com after the break, i want to talk to you about the nhs lowest levels of satisfaction. now, records satisfaction. now, since records began, my inbox has already started with stories started filling up with stories from guys , giving good from you guys, giving me good positive so tell positive experiences. so tell me, are you happy with the nhs or not? if not, why not? see you in two.

hi there. michelle dewberry. i'm with you until 7:00 tonight. alongside me. my panel remain. i've got the former mep and the conservative peer in the house of lords, jacqueline foster. and the of novara media. the co—founder of novara media. aaron was just talking aaron bastani was just talking about social workers and children's before the children's services before the break. graham says sorry. ron says that one of the problems with workers, etc. these with social workers, etc. these daysis with social workers, etc. these days is such a high turnover of staff. you have any staff. how can you have any continuity? not continuity? he, he says it's not simply about money. it surely is

about that continuity more than anything at all. i think you've got a good point there, i shall come on to the nhs next because, big survey published out today shows that less than a quarter of us apparently are happy with the nhs. the where satisfaction rates now, since records began, lots of you have been getting in touch, jack says michelle, i had two heart attacks last year. the ambulance arrived within 15 minutes. i was straight into treatment, he says. blackpool victoria is fantastic. says. victoria is fantastic. he says. thank to of you for thank you to all of you for saving my life and i've got to say i've got quite a few positive stories about the nhs coming you satisfied coming in. are you satisfied with it's going? with the way it's going? jacqueline, moment or not? >> no, i'm not satisfied with the it's going, but i would the way it's going, but i would agree caller or the, agree with the caller or the, you know, email, have you know, the email, i have friends who actually friends who are actually surgeons who are frontline in the nhs and others i know who are nurses. and i don't think the criticism is predominantly with a lot of people at work in

the nhs, particularly frontline. i think we have some of the best in world and they in the world and they are magnificent. structure has magnificent. the structure has become more and more of a problem, i think over the last years, and it can't keep up, it can't keep up really with the demand, so i think that the bureaucracy, what they say to me is that the bureaucracy that they deal with now, when they're just trying to do their normal jobs, has sort of escalated beyond whatever in terms of then the amount of paperwork, the filling in, the amount of emails they're having to check, the amount of people then running a department which, you know, has a with a manager. and a manager with a manager. and there are about, i think, three quarters a three quarters of quarters of a three quarters of a million. you'd say a million. if you'd say managers, administrators in the nhs, there's about 1.4 million people there . and also people work there. and also there's an issue, i think, with there's an issue, i think, with the calibre of some of those, certainly managerial, the calibre, working on the operational side who don't seem to be up to the job, you can by all means, you can criticise governments and we always have to take that criticism. but by

the same, by the same token, the nhs themselves , the trusts nhs themselves, the trusts themselves, we're paying a chief execs a lot of money to run these hospitals. some of them are appalling, some of them are very good, and they just vary throughout the country. and i think one of the main issues is getting past the once you getting past the gp. once you are the treatment can are in there, the treatment can be absolutely excellent, but i think we've got a massive problem, with the whole of the front line in terms of gp practices. let's have a look at some of these key targets as well. >> i can just bring that up on the screen just to give you some, examples of what's going well and what's perhaps not, i mean, your magnifying mean, get your magnifying glasses ladies and gents, glasses out, ladies and gents, in england, the last time the four hour a&e wait was hit was july 2015, in northern ireland, that's never been reached in scotland. that was last met in july 2020. in wales, it's never been reached that four hour a&e target. we're giving you some

cancer , 62 day cancer targets cancer, 62 day cancer targets there again the don't look great, and so on it goes , great, and so on it goes, bronwyn says michelle, can i say i've moved up to the doncaster area and i can't fault the service i've had from the nhs , service i've had from the nhs, particularly the gp service, i'm signed up for. she says. i think the overall problem with nhs is poor management and waste . they poor management and waste. they seem to get away with everything because it's to easy blame because it's too to easy blame the government, she says. aaron, where you ? where are you? >> i think part of the answer is it's very patchy and people are more likely to remember and recall bring up a bad recall and bring up a bad experience rather than a good one. you can have four great experiences if you have one very bad what's going bad one, that's what's going to stick agree with stick in your mind. i agree with many the points made around many of the points made around around it's around management. i think it's around management. i think it's a actually the public a problem actually in the public sector, that we have sector, too often that we have the worst, the private sector, we worst, the public we have the worst, the public sector. local sector. i see it in local government time in government all the time in stories with authorities. stories with local authorities. you , somebody will be the you know, somebody will be the head of regeneration a head of regeneration in a certain you look at certain council and you look at the place and think, well, it

needs some regenerating. is needs some regenerating. why is that grand a year? that person 150 grand a year? what being on? what are they being judged on? how still a job? how have they still got a job? so with that. so i agree with a lot of that. what i say is what's what i would say is what's really interesting with nhs what i would say is what's re that nteresting with nhs what i would say is what's re that aftersting with nhs what i would say is what's re that after 2010 with nhs what i would say is what's re that after 2010 through nhs what i would say is what's re that after 2010 through to -is is that after 2010 through to about 20 1819, could make about 20 1819, you could make and with i'm and you disagree with this. i'm sure could an argument sure you could make an argument that, know, there been sure you could make an argument that,in know, there been sure you could make an argument that,in austerity, here been sure you could make an argument that,in austerity, buts been sure you could make an argument that,in austerity, but the been cuts in austerity, but the service was still good. service was still pretty good. but, know, various but, you know, on various measures gone it gone measures it had gone it gone down. fascinating is that down. what's fascinating is that since actually a of since covid actually a ton of money has been spent on the nhs a ton. i say this as somebody on the left and actually the outcomes are getting worse, not better . better. >> it's a why do you think that is then? well, that's the $64 million question. >> it's a it's really >> it's a it's a really interesting if it interesting i mean, if it weren't at stake weren't literal lives at stake it would be interesting. but it's a really sophisticated , it's a really sophisticated, difficult problem. the government is spending the money, but it's not leading to better outcomes right now. >> which find >> which which i find interesting because right. people you people were asked, would you want more money for the want to pay more money for the nhs? and i found quite nhs? and i found it quite interesting, the amount of people they'd be people that said they'd be willing spend more so willing to spend more so actually more if it meant

actually taxed more if it meant direct spending more the nhs . direct spending more on the nhs. well, i wouldn't want to spend a penny more on the nhs until i was clear that the efficiencies were kind of optimised, that you were kind of optimised, that you were running as best as you possibly could, that you don't have wastage, outcomes have wastage, that your outcomes are they can be. only are the best they can be. only then , when i that was right then, when i knew that was right and would i spend and already would i spend any more tax , given the choice on more in tax, given the choice on the well, shouldn't the nhs, well, you shouldn't have spend more on the nhs. >> we are spending hundreds of billions on the nhs and you made >> we are spending hundreds of bigood; on the nhs and you made >> we are spending hundreds of bigood; on thybucketand you made >> we are spending hundreds of bigood; on thybucketand jofr made a good point, bucket full of money in, but what you money was put in, but what you did mention was key. i think. and as i'd mentioned a bit earlier, talking about the gp, is that the access to your gp before covid was much easier. and during covid of course that stopped. and in some practices it stopped . it was stopped by it stopped. it was stopped by people couldn't even virtually get a phone call . and get a phone call. and unfortunately that's still going on now if you cannot get an appointment it's all very well saying, well you can have a word

with the receptionist or you can have a word with or whatever. it's the same thing. doctors it's not the same thing. doctors train because they're train for years because they're looking things, and train for years because they're lo doesn't things, and train for years because they're lo doesn't to things, and train for years because they're lo doesn't to thin if, and train for years because they're lo doesn't to thin if we |d train for years because they're lo doesn't to thin if we go it doesn't mean to say if we go and a nurse practitioner and see a nurse practitioner because we're having a jab, that's but there that's perfectly fine. but there are only certain levels of things are going to things that they are going to diagnose . and i think until the diagnose. and i think until the frontline in terms of gp practices are sorted out and they're not left short of money, they're not left short of money, they have plenty of funding , they have plenty of funding, quite frankly, there are some that are very good, but there are too many. and i know people and they're having a horrendous time trying to see a doctor, and they genuinely do see they genuinely do need to see they genuinely do need to see the doctor . think what we're the doctor. i think what we're trying to do, which is quite good, look pharmacists good, is look at how pharmacists can all of this great can come in on all of this great policy for pharmacists. i think this is great policy, we have this is a great policy, we have great pharmacists. they're highly trained in country. highly trained in this country. they drugs than they know more about drugs than most put most of the doctors put together, always together, and they will always refer to your doctor if refer you back to your doctor if they think that there is something that's looking not great. pharmacist can great. but a pharmacist can quite up with quite often come up with a solution to save that time for

you going to a doctor or even going to a&e. >> i don't want to be too >> yeah, i don't want to be too controversial. so i'm going to pick words carefully. do pick my words carefully. but do you that got i know you think that we've got i know i'm trying really hard. i'm trying hard. you watch, trying really hard. you watch, it'll come out all wrong. what i'm trying to get at is the nhs to me, you're supposed to be there and save lives, there to try and save lives, prolong good, healthy standard there to try and save lives, pr

harsh conversations about what is the nhs actually for. harsh conversations about what is the nhs actually for . what is is the nhs actually for. what is it, is it for all of these kind of things such as, you know, ivf treatments is it for in some cases cosmetic things? in some cases cosmetic things? in some cases is, you know, helping children transition or whatever. is it that is it for that? >> well, the children's homes transitioning point people can agree or disagree. that is a tiny number of operations. >> but the ivf, direction of >> but the ivf, the direction of travel, it's a scope of services. i mean, ivf is whether or not it should be ivf . or not it should be ivf. >> there's lot of money and >> there's a lot of money and that's a that's an that's a that's a that's an important point. and it's a fascinating question. important point. and it's a fas you know, obviously, should it that? it be used for that? >> well, what would say is >> well, what i would say is your question about we need to actually think fundamentally about we're about the kinds of things we're looking to offer, i think is absolutely right again, absolutely the right one. again, i'm at this the i'm coming at this from the left. would to increase left. i would like to increase capital tax. i'd like to capital gains tax. i'd like to reduce but broadly reduce vat. but broadly speaking, nhs, like speaking, the nhs, like you said, £140 billion. there's said, is £140 billion. there's a lot of money, it's a lot of money be getting

money and it should be getting better think we better outcomes. and i think we probably conversation probably do need a conversation in this country. we'll talk about protection moment about child protection a moment ago. have ago. i think it should have more money. to money. that's not necessarily to give workers give the social workers more pay- give the social workers more pay. more social pay. we need more social workers. need people workers. we need more people because overstretched. workers. we need more people becausthe overstretched. workers. we need more people becausthe sort overstretched. workers. we need more people becausthe sort of verstretched. workers. we need more people becausthe sort of verstrewhich that's the sort of thing which needs more resources, are needs more resources, there are other need more other things which need more resources, we're going resources, but then we're going to have difficult to have to have difficult conversations try conversations about, okay, try and a very different conversation. >> they the nhs be >> should they not do the nhs be there let's that there for ivf? let's pick that as a strand. yeah. >> can i just. >> can can i just. >> no i want him to answer it. what's your thoughts? >> i don't i would have to see the numbers. i'd have to see the numbers. i know. also numbers. i don't know. but also we've i we've got low birth rates. i mean that's counter. that is true. >> that is very true. what do you think? >> well, i think are >> well, i think there are people have a medical people who will have a medical issue and would like to have a family. and i think there's anything wrong with that at all. and think you're talking and i think you're talking relatively small numbers in the scheme of things. therefore scheme of things. and therefore i would expect the nhs. i mean, if they can go private, fine. a lot of people do go private actually for ivf treatment, but if they are they can be helped

to get pregnant and have a baby. i'm quite okay with that because i'm quite okay with that because i think if we start to focus just on some smaller groups, we know where we are. >> maybe, maybe because i was trying to be, diplomatic in my wedding, it might not have come across. what i'm saying is, maybe if people already got maybe if people have already got maybe if people have already got maybe 2 children and then maybe 1 or 2 children and then they to get another child, they want to get another child, and need ivf, maybe and then they need ivf, maybe she'd pay it themselves, if she'd pay for it themselves, if you see what mean. i've maybe you see what i mean. i've maybe picked of specialist picked on two kind of specialist niche things. yeah. but niche thing things. yeah. but i guess the central point of what i'm do we need to go i'm saying is do we need to go right back basics, look at right back to basics, look at the and go, right. what is the nhs and go, right. what is the nhs and go, right. what is the of the nhs? what is the purpose of the nhs? what is it for? is it for any it actually for? is it for any ailment for anyone? so like for example , if you are someone who example, if you are someone who insists on taking drugs and then you get support with your detox and all the rest of it, and off you go back again and you take drugs and back through detox. you and around around and you go and around and around and around. be cut offs around. should there be cut offs ? i mean, ijust around. should there be cut offs ? i mean, i just maybe around. should there be cut offs ? i mean, ijust maybe i'm going to niche in questioning

to niche in my questioning because a&e because they're clogging up a&e and people who are drunk. >> and i mean drunk >> and i mean not drunk occasionally, but they're picking they're picking them up because they're drunk they're because drunk and they're in a&e because that's where they that's the that's where they have take them at times. but have to take them at times. but the key problem the nhs, it the key problem with the nhs, it was up for the really the was set up for the really the right reasons. it really was , right reasons. it really was, but a health service should be, should be proactive and not reactive . and the problem with reactive. and the problem with the nhs, everything is reactive . the nhs, everything is reactive. it should be focusing more like they do in continental europe . they do in continental europe. and there aren't nhs in continental europe lived in four countries they're all countries and they're all insurance there is a insurance based or there is a very small part of the pie. if people don't earn anything but it's funded privately. they're funded privately. people don't wait more than 24 hours for a gp appointment, the service that they get is very good. and that's across the piece. and that's, that's generally with that's, that's generally with that sort of model that they use. i'd like i think that we're going to have to, with the size of population the of the population and the demands, have to demands, we're going to have to start seriously, cross start thinking seriously, cross

party, party, having party, cross party, having proper conversations, which we neven proper conversations, which we never, with nhs . never, ever do with the nhs. i've seen how we can actually restructure this service so it can actually do the job that we'd like it to do . we'd like it to do. >> the challenge that you've got, though, it's almost like the nhs like some kind of the nhs is like some kind of religion. it needs to start and we've got almost people we've got to almost people almost it. and if you almost worship it. and if you even , and this is why even try, and this is why i don't know if there's any politicians that have got the chops, really, because you need, i think, to have really difficult conversations where you basics and you you go back to basics and you literally and look literally sit there and go, look what we've got isn't what what we've got isn't working. think everyone can working. i think everyone can see not working. see that it's not working. so what does future look like? what does the future look like? >> one of the few >> but it's one of the few things which the taxpayer gets. it my taxes. i it goes, i'm paying my taxes. i get you know, schools for get this, you know, schools for your nhs pensions. get this, you know, schools for your nhs pensions . yeah. your kids, nhs pensions. yeah. and people pay a hell of a lot of tax. and if all of a sudden somebody says, actually, let's privatise well, privatise this, they say, well, hold second. i wasn't no, i hold on a second. i wasn't no, i wasn't no, know you're wasn't no, i know you're privatisation. i know not privatisation. i know you're not saying on the one hand saying that. but on the one hand there the religion of there is the whole religion of there is the whole religion of the that's true. but it's

the nhs. that's true. but it's also things also one of the very few things which think, well, my which people think, well, my taxes for that i taxes are paying for that and i can see it i engage with it can see it and i engage with it and use it, you know, every and i use it, you know, every couple of years. >> but if you can't access it more, and more people more, is it more and more people are health are taking taking out health insuranceand more more >> sure. and more and more people now they just get into a point they got point where they haven't got anything that's going to anything that's that's going to kill but got kill them. but they've got debilitating issues they debilitating issues and they can't so can't get back to work. so they're i just they're actually actually i just want the to make want to give the money to make i just want give a few shout just want to give a few shout outs, because know so outs, because i know that so many front line many people on the front line work hard. work really hard. >> i've had a had >> darren says. i've had a i had an op yesterday in royal hallamshire hospital, sheffield, an op yesterday in royal ha says. hire hospital, sheffield, an op yesterday in royal ha says. hire ho all al, sheffield, an op yesterday in royal ha says. hire ho all excellenteld, he says. it was all excellent and wants to say a thank and he wants to say a big thank you to all of the team that looked after him, one my looked after him, one of my viewers she's viewers here, she says she's got kidney kidney kidney problems. sally kidney patient and i've patient for 25 years and i've had care from hull had fantastic care from hull royal hill. big royal and castle hill. a big shout all of those guys. shout out to all of those guys. lots and lots. it's actually quite heartwarming, actually, because you because so many of you are getting touch share your getting in touch to share your positive which positive stories, which is really penny, says really nice. penny, though, says icannot really nice. penny, though, says i cannot get in to see a gp for love nor money. there you go . love nor money. there you go. let's talk the house of lords

after break. pay rise coming after the break. pay rise coming their way. do they deserve it or not? you tell me

hi there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till seven. aaron bastani jacqueline foster remain alongside me. let's get straight into this next one. the house of lords. they are set to get quite a nice little increase in their daily allowance. everyone. it's currently £342. it's going up to £360. this is of course lined up with a 5.5% increase in mps salaries. also as well. this is an additional amount of money. now you can potentially get £100 a night if you need to stay over in london. are you celebrating all these moves , jacqueline? all these moves, jacqueline? >> no, because i won't get £100 a night. it's. look, the way, the way the allowance is

structured, it's. you're quite right. it's £342. that current tax free. yes, it's an allowance. it's actually the same premise when i was a member of the european parliament, and we had a daily allowance because nobody, nobody lived in brussels. everybody came from a different country . what does brussels. everybody came from a di'iterent country . what does brussels. everybody came from a di'it coversyuntry . what does brussels. everybody came from a di'it covers your' . what does brussels. everybody came from a di'it covers your accommodation is it covers your accommodation because not everybody lives in london. i come from the north west, people come from scotland london. i come from the north wes everywhere me from scotland london. i come from the north wes everywhere hasfrom scotland london. i come from the north wes everywhere has ton scotland london. i come from the north wes everywhere has to covertland and everywhere has to cover your accommodation. it also in the house of lords we don't get a, an allowance for staff. so if we want to maybe get a researcher or we want to get some secretarial help, we'd have to use that to do that too. so it's like a subsistence allowance as well. you do not get this allowance if you do not turn up to the house of lords and you are not in the chamber, or you are not in the chamber, or you are not in the chamber, or you are not sitting on an official committee , so it's only if you committee, so it's only if you are there that you get it. and i'm not being defensive about this. this is what they get. this additional £100 has come in for a lot of people who stay in hotels as, only a commercial,

places of residences, because the prices of hotels over the last couple of years have basically gone sky do you think 360 then is it enough? >> is it too little? >> is it too little? >> no, i think three, 360 is fine. it's fair. >> yeah. aaron bastani let me be a conservative. >> let's just get rid of three quarters of the lords. and then i think big chamber. >> but they're not costing us any money. well hold on. >> no. but look here's the thing. any organisation, the thing. in any organisation, the quickest route to failure is giving making giving somebody a job and making it because don't it part time because they don't actually thing properly. actually do the thing properly. so look, if we want a second chamber, have chamber, let's have a much smaller the smaller one. give them the resources, the office resources, give them the office staff, they shouldn't. staff, etc, etc. they shouldn't. they should be of they certainly should be out of pocket somewhere. pocket staying somewhere. it's ridiculous. i don't ridiculous. so it's very i don't know can say this for the know if i can say this for the watershed arsed. that's how watershed half arsed. that's how it half bottom, it feels. the whole half bottom, half the whole approach . half bottom, the whole approach. so know, you could so either, you know, you could have could have unicameralism, you could get a chamber, or get rid of a second chamber, or you just a much you could just have a much smaller second chamber with the best in it. i i kind of best lords in it. i i kind of i see both sides of the argument

with this, but i just think the lords, as it presently exists, is a very, very strange organisation, a strange institution . i think we could institution. i think we could have far fewer them and have far fewer of them and probably give them a slightly better deal and on with the job. >> the shrink you down, jacqueline? >> look, don't mind. i mean, jacqueline? >> good don't mind. i mean, jacqueline? >> good thing�*t mind. i mean, jacqueline? >> good thing theind. i mean, jacqueline? >> good thing the positivezan, the good thing the positive thing about this second chamber of is no, no party which is of ours is no, no party which is in government will have a majority. we don't have a majority. we don't have a majority. so what you do is get proper, proper, proper debate, for example, for the government side in the house of lords currently, this is why we're having problems getting the rwanda bill through. and we had problems with illegal problems with the illegal immigration through if immigration bill through, if labour dems combine labour and the lib dems combine then and then a few we've got and we've got 184 crossbenchers as well, we cannot get things through. when you end up with ping through. when you end up with ping pong, obviously it goes back and forward to the house of commons and we end up everything ends up being dragged out because ultimately, quite rightly, the house of commons is the the premium chamber. we

the is the premium chamber. we cannot overrule them quite rightly, so it is a tricky one and i know there's sort of 700 and i know there's sort of 700 and something lords, an awful lot of them don't ever come. and i think where there are some positive sides , depending on positive sides, depending on what structures people want in the future, they're not all politicians either. were politicians either. we were talking on the talking about ivf on the opposition benches sits lord winston, and he was the one that invented ivf. so we've got great people in there who were experts in medicine, law, the arts, business. not only politicians . business. not only politicians. >> whilst i'm sure quite a lot to the table, whilst i'm sure my view is like you, jacqueline, many of them are saying, it basically needs to be slimmed down reformed. richard says the house of lords is a gravy train full of the indulgent, privileged . he says, danielle privileged. he says, danielle says it is not fit for purpose. john says we need an internal investigation into the whole thing, and jeff said , no, you

thing, and jeff said, no, you should not get a pay rise, which i could earn £300 plus a day to fall asleep. oh, blimey . that fall asleep. oh, blimey. that will, that will upset a few people, i can tell you. let's talk parking after the break in oxford now, proposals that if you drive a like 4x4 suv, you drive a big like 4x4 suv, you drive a big like 4x4 suv, you to pay more to you just have to pay more to park. is that or

not? hi there. michelle dewberry with you till seven alongside me. former mep and tory peer in the house of lords jacqueline foster and co—founder of novara media. aaron . i was just asking aaron bastani. i was just asking aaron bastani. i was just asking aaron in the if he was aaron in the break if he was offered a peerage, a place in the house of lords, would he take he said no , i'm not take it? he said no, i'm not sure i believe him. just for the record, anyone nominate record, anyone wants to nominate me, in there like a me, i would, be in there like a rat up drainpipe . i don't mind rat up a drainpipe. i don't mind being called a hypocrite. i would absolutely you would absolutely love it. you your viewers, your viewers nominate you. oh lording it all

oven nominate you. oh lording it all over. i'd be fabulous, wouldn't it? anyway, look , let's talk it? anyway, look, let's talk parking, the green party councillors in oxford, they're proposing to charge bigger cars. so, like your four by fours, your suvs, whatever. more money if they want to park. this is all about, apparently , stopping all about, apparently, stopping congestion and all this and that. what do you make to it, jacqueline? >> it's a cash cow. all of it's a cash cow. whether it's in most areas , they've put up 20 miles areas, they've put up 20 miles an hour and cameras everywhere , an hour and cameras everywhere, like london, where there are no people around at all. i mean, we're not talking about schools here, it's basically here, and it's all basically most of the time it's about catching people out, in this case now, is it the politics of envy? whatever for, you know, and then they tried to put an argument to say if you were hit by a bigger car. rather than a smaller car, then there would be less damage , which is nonsense, less damage, which is nonsense, frankly. and so i just don't know where they come from. i think apparently in oxford as

well, they put they've put all sorts of, restrictions on people accessing where they go or into the city centre, and people are driving miles around the to city even get into the city centre. so now i just think it's nonsense, frankly. >> so jacqueline's not having any of it. aaron are you? >> i think it's sensible. i quite like the kia sportage 2024. it's a very nice suv . 2024. it's a very nice suv. nice. nice green, so i've not got an issue with the cars necessarily. some people need them. have a big family, you might have dogs, etc. i have no problem with that whatsoever. but they do take but the point is, they do take up space and i live in up more space and i live in portsmouth and parking is at a premium in portsmouth. and the reality is, if you're a household in portsmouth, very small island, 350,000 people, if three people in that household, all have suvs, it's a genuine problem. not everybody on the street can have an suv. and so i think it's only fair if you're going to make that decision. well, okay, pay a little bit more so that the council can pay for municipal car parks or to have what i that's my view. it's

called an economics, an externality. so a negative externality. so a negative externality of having an suv is that it's going to take up more parking space. if they hit somebody, more likely somebody, it's more likely to lead fatality. i think lead to a fatality. and i think this be down to the local this should be down to the local authority. is a authority. so oxford is a historic city or portsmouth, it's quite small. if you live in west cumbria or the peak district, have an suv, you shouldn't be taxed for it. great but i think if a local authority says, look, is at says, look, space is at a premium , actually we want to premium, actually we want to charge for having that charge you a bit for having that slightly car . i charge you a bit for having that slightly car. i think slightly bigger car. i think that reasonable. that seems reasonable. oh, they'll turning. they'll be turning. >> your house is >> how big your house is supposed next. there's supposed to be next. and there's only so don't be only three of you, so don't be living in a house. oh, this is like, wasn't that the bedroom tax? oh, i remember, tax? this is oh, i remember, i remember it well, no, this is a typical nanny type stuff. i really can't stand it. it irritates me. and why don't they just leave people alone? choose whatever car you want. what fits with your family. whatever car you want. what fits with your family . and if we're with your family. and if we're parking, we all pay the same for our parking . our parking. >> i they've got a damn >> i think they've got a damn cheek. of these councils to cheek. some of these councils to sit there charging for this, charging that. when the

charging for that. when the state their. they don't even state of their. they don't even fill own potholes. so many fill their own potholes. so many of these councils and then they've got the audacity motivated by jealousy, if you ask me, people see these, ask me, when people see these, four by fours, why is it jealousy? because i think a lot. >> can nice saloon. >> you can have a nice saloon. >> there's a lot of these green councillors and the of councillors and the rest of it, they and think they sit there and i think they look of these, let's look at some of these, let's just say, let's just pick a range a range rover, a range rover, a range rover, a big great and i think big car, great car. and i think people get very jealous. and big car, great car. and i think peopyouat very jealous. and big car, great car. and i think peopyou getzry jealous. and big car, great car. and i think peopyou get these lous. and big car, great car. and i think peopyou get these pillocksd big car, great car. and i think peopyou get these pillocks that then you get these pillocks that go and slash the tires of go out and slash the tires of these of cars. i don't these kind of cars. i don't know who think they are. who these guys think they are. they well, i won't even they call it. well, i won't even say they themselves say what they call themselves the because don't the group because they don't promote they go promote the group, but they go around slashing the tires of four fours, and then they around slashing the tires of four a fours, and then they around slashing the tires of four a fours, stickeren they around slashing the tires of four afours, stickeren the leave a little sticker on the window been window saying, you've been visited this group visited by whatever this group is. to promote is. i'm not going to promote them. they go about the, them. and they go on about the, you environmental you know, the environmental effects cars. you've effects of these cars. you've got councils now crying, got these councils now crying, saying, oh, if you want come saying, oh, if you want to come in here, you've got to pay extra because your car's a little bit bigger. you don't take up much more than a parking space. in

fact, think you do. fact, i don't think you do. i used to drive, i confess i did. >> maybe your road. used to drive, i confess i did. >> as|ybe your road. used to drive, i confess i did. >> as|ybe asour road. used to drive, i confess i did. >> as|ybe as ijr road. used to drive, i confess i did. >> as|ybe as i had ad. used to drive, i confess i did. >> as|ybe as i had my baby, the >> as soon as i had my baby, the first did is upgrade to first thing i did is upgrade to a big car. oh, totally. because i often do that tiny little thing thought, thing my baby. and i thought, i need because i do lot of need to because i do a lot of motorway driving. need motorway driving. i need a bigger car. anyway, i got rid of this car because insurance this car because the insurance was absolutely insane. the larger the it's in larger car. yeah, the it's in london, right? yeah. the insurance companies taking london, right? yeah. the inslabsolutenpanies taking london, right? yeah. the inslabsolute michael taking london, right? yeah. the inslabsolute michael whataking london, right? yeah. the inslabsolute michael what they the absolute michael what they wanted to charge. so gone got rid. missed that car dramatically. >> do you not have a drive in london? you have a drive then london? if you have a drive then it's always, always with it's always, always helps with the old insurance. >> most people outside >> but most people live outside london they? >> but most people live outside lon no. they? >> but most people live outside lon no. but they? >> but most people live outside lon no. but i they? >> but most people live outside lon no. but i agree with >> no. but i agree with michelle. our insurance to have a lollipop. a large lollipop. >> the dog needs an >> lollipop? the dog needs an estate car. and, you know, i would probably end up falling into this with my. but you're both very successful people. >> my view is you both deserve nice cars. you've worked for your money. but the point is, it's to take up slightly it's going to take up slightly more space. it's going create more space. it's going to create more space. it's going to create more with regards to more problems with regards to the past ten years. >> it's ten years old. >> it's ten years old.

>> charge. no councils. not unless get unless you do your jobs. get your basics right, fix your roads. you're actually roads. and when you're actually offer that people can offer a road that people can drive on without damaging, they've nice roads, then they've got nice roads, then you can start thinking about charging more roads, graham says. too many charging more roads, graham sa'these too many charging more roads, graham sa'these ridiculously too many charging more roads, graham sa'these ridiculously sized many charging more roads, graham sa'these ridiculously sized carsy of these ridiculously sized cars around. course should around. of course they should pay around. of course they should pay says . i've got to pay more, he says. i've got to say, though, he says, i drive a bentley, i'm shooting myself bentley, so i'm shooting myself in he's all right, in the foot. he's all right, yeah. kevin says . i drive a yeah. kevin says. i drive a small 4x4 and i already pay additional tax for it. he says, i'm doing my bit for the environment, but i'm being taxed even for so many even more for doing so many people talking about people as well. talking about things congestion charge things like congestion charge when to drive into things like congestion charge whecities to drive into things like congestion charge whecities , to drive into things like congestion charge whecities , electric drive into things like congestion charge whecities , electric carse into things like congestion charge whecities , electric cars in nto the cities, electric cars in some cases. why they , having some cases. why are they, having to pay some of these, fees? because they don't even create any emissions like that, do they? anyway, look, that's all we've got time for. let me know your i'll read them on your thoughts. i'll read them on the but now , the way home. but for now, aaron. jacqueline. thank you. and don't go and thank you. at home. don't go anywhere. up next. no anywhere. farage is up next. no night . night. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar, sponsors of weather on .

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immune the downpours immune from the downpours though, during thursday and for most is going to feel pretty most of is going to feel pretty chilly as well. temperatures while struggling to get to double digits and feeling colder with wind the rain as we with the wind and the rain as we go the long weekend. go through the long weekend. signs of the weather getting at least a little drier. better chance of some sunshine chance of seeing some sunshine on good friday, particularly over and over northern england and eastern the morning. eastern england in the morning. showers almost showers will develop almost everywhere afternoon. everywhere by the afternoon. fewer showers on saturday and easter day. at this stage looking largely dry and signs of things at least turning just a little warmer . little warmer. >> looks like things are heating up boxt boilers sponsors of weather on

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>> tonight on farage. approval for the nhs has now fallen below 25. how can it be turned around? so, john curtis, much respected figure, has put his neck on the line and said there is a 99% chance that labour will win the next general election. we'll ask what makes him so sure? and we learned today that 275 work visas were given to a totally non—existent care home. it seems the not fit for purpose home office is not getting much better. but before all of that, let's get the news with polly middleton first. >> nigel, thanks very much indeed. and good evening to you. we start this bulletin with some breaking news coming to us from london tonight, where a manhunt is underway after a knifeman armed with a zombie blade attacked a man on a train in broad daylight in front of other

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