christian even mention the christian festival . find out who or why. festival. find out who or why. >> men have their own >> can't men have their own spaces? woke feminists are protesting outside the garrick club, demanding that it lets women in, but is this really all feminists have to worry about in the year 2024? what with rape and sexual assaults on the rise? >> and goodness gracious me, what happened in milton keynes? >> yeah. shocking stuff. well, just yet more feral kids, isn't it? we'll be playing either videos of all of this if you haven't already seen it. but yeah, looked like hundreds haven't already seen it. but ye feral looked like hundreds haven't already seen it. but ye feral childrenzd like hundreds haven't already seen it. but ye feral children storming ndreds haven't already seen it. but ye feral children storming aireds of feral children storming a centre milton keynes is centre in milton keynes is the latest long line of latest in a long line of incidents like this. and it's the now of who's to the question now of who's to blame? we it? blame? how do we stop it? >> people saying, >> yeah, lots of people saying, you needs happen to you know what needs to happen to these they need to these children? do they need to be it? should they be punished for it? should they be punished for it? should they be and told off? be rounded up and told off? should be to should they just be allowed to go but we want to go on their way? but we want to ask about the parents? ask what about the parents?

surely, , surely most surely, surely, surely most people would agree that these are . therefore their are children. therefore their parents have responsibility for them . so i guess we want to ask, them. so i guess we want to ask, should they be fined? should they be prosecuted, sent to prison? >> should they be sent to prison ? should parents be sent to prison if their child commits a crime or is dangerously out of control? the asbos don't seem to scare them. i'm not sure they still exist . still exist. >> you know, we've had i think they they they seem as a bit un—pc . un—pc >> we have to hug them now. there hug. hoodie there was the hug. a hoodie thing but no, thing wasn't there? but no, seriously, parents not be seriously, should parents not be actually fined or actually prosecuted or fined or sent children sent to prison if their children are control? are dangerously out of control? >> our question. >> well, there's our question. gb gb news. com gb views at gb news. com but let's headlines. let's get your headlines. >> good afternoon. it's 12:02. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. your top story this houn newsroom. your top story this hour. one of the conservative party's major donors has received a knighthood as part of a surprise honours list from

rishi sunak mohamed mansour gave £5 million to the tories last year and is a senior treasurer for the party. he was knighted for the party. he was knighted for what's described as services to business, charity and politics. other recipients include mps philip davies and esther mcvey, who are also former presenters on this network. labour party chairwoman anneliese dodds says it's the act of a prime minister who doesn't expect to have his job for much longer. >> it seems to be an almost automatic pass now under the conservatives and particularly the individual mr mansour, who was last year, last january the biggest ever donor to the conservatives, £5 million at that stage, the biggest individual donation that had been given then seeming to have that automatic pass through to receiving an honour under rishi sunak. i think if anything, it demonstrates yet again his weakness that he is focused on internal party issues all of the time, rather than on the needs of our country. >> the timing of the list is

unusual , >> the timing of the list is unusual, coming while parliament is in recess and on the eve of the easter bank holiday weekend, we asked people in hull what they think of the tory mps receiving honours. >> anything , 1 >> i think much of anything, 1 or 2 of them most probably try, but to me majority of mps are like bananas. bunch together , like bananas. bunch together, they're all yellow. there's not a straight one among them. >> it's self—serving, isn't it? i mean, these people reward themselves for. for what? i don't quite understand. i don't get it. >> it's just a con, really. you know, it's just, they give the concepts of the labour party for money they want favours in return. so this is this is the problem. >> documents have revealed that the post office was aware of errors in its horizon it system, despite bosses proceeding with prosecutions . more than 900 prosecutions. more than 900 subpostmasters were wrongly prosecuted due to supposed

losses flagged by a faulty computer system. a draft report carried out by deloitte was commissioned by the post office in 2016. it shows that top managers knew that financial discrepancies may not be the fault of subpostmasters, but continued to fight them in court regardless. a spokesperson for the post office says it remains fully focused on supporting the inquiry . a 19 year old man has inquiry. a 19 year old man has been charged with attempted murder and possession of an offensive weapon after a stabbing on a train on wednesday. rakeem thomas has been remanded into custody. he will appear at wimbledon magistrates court. it's after an incident between beckenham junction and shortlands train stations. the alleged victim, who was in his 20s, was taken to hospital where police earlier said he was in a critical but stable condition . in other news, stable condition. in other news, the task of clearing baltimore's port will take considerable time after president biden committed $60 million to rebuilding the collapsed bridge. it's after a

cargo ship crashed into one of the key bridge's foundations on tuesday. the enormous wreckage remains in the port, with the ship measuring about as long as the eiffel tower . maryland's the eiffel tower. maryland's governor, wes moore, says they're facing incredibly they're facing an incredibly complex job to reopen the port. a chinese company is hoping to take on elon musk with the release of a new electric car. xiaomi is better known for its smartphones, but it's hoped the unveiling of its new su seven car will put it in prime position to compete with tesla. the company's ceo, li yun, is a household name in china and has been dubbed thor by his fans. his tech start up is valued at £36 billion. and in case your easter weekend isn't quite sweet enough, jerry seinfeld is to star in a new film about the origin of the pop tart. the legendary sitcom actor is also making his debut as a director in the story of how two serial rival companies raced to create a pastry that would apparently change the face of breakfast. it's a dream project for the

comedian, who says he's been working on the story for several years, unfrosted the pop tart story also features hugh grant and melissa mccarthy, and will premiere on netflix on the 3rd of may. for the latest story, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen , or go to gb news. com screen, or go to gb news. com slash alerts . slash alerts. >> well good afternoon, britain . >> well good afternoon, britain. are the tories toast? a new damning poll for the party suggests that reform uk is now more popular than the conservatives. amongst crucially, working class voters. thus undoing that voter coalition put together by boris johnson in 2019. >> yes, not the news rishi sunak wants to hear, i imagine. but this comes as the row over the sale of angela rayner's council house a decade ago continues to heat up. it's not going away with the deputy leader of the labour party continuing to deny

any wrongdoing. and keir starmer is far backing her. is so far backing her. >> well, yes . for more is so far backing her. >> well, yes. for more on this, we can speak to gb news political correspondent katherine forster. but first, catherine, can we just have a little listen to what danny kruger mp, a tory mp, said about reform ? >> reform? >> i think that the obstacles conservatism is the conservative party and i kind of get what they're saying , though, sort of they're saying, though, sort of destructive force. i think it would be a tragedy if they did end up replacing us. but their general critique of what's wrong, i think, is mostly valid . wrong, i think, is mostly valid. >> very interesting indeed. catherine. what danny kruger had to say there . i imagine quite a to say there. i imagine quite a lot conservative feel the lot of conservative mps feel the same , that the reform party is same, that the reform party is a real threat . real threat. >> yes, absolutely. it's not very long ago that they were publicly saying, oh, you know, they're irrelevant, but the truth is they are a very big threat to the conservatives because although they may not

get many seats, what they're likely to do is take many people who otherwise or previously voted conservative who will vote for reform instead. and that will give potentially dozens of seats to labour that the conservatives might have held to . on and the polls have got closer and closer over the last few weeks , haven't they? richard few weeks, haven't they? richard tice, the leader of reform, told me a few weeks ago that he me just a few weeks ago that he expected they would be level with the conservatives by the summer. obviously , the summer. now, obviously, the defection of lee anderson has helped, but they are now with working class voters ahead of the conservatives. they're also ahead of the conservatives in the north. they're tied with voters from 50 to 64 and also men are more likely now to vote for the reform party than they are to vote for the conservatives. so big, big trouble for rishi sunak and as we've heard, danny kruger of the

new conservatives , they are new conservatives, they are really thinking that this could be an existential crisis for them because, he said, they're ambition is to replace us. they want to destroy the conservative party. now nigel farage, the chairman, has openly said that some rumours now that conservative mps are thinking, well, it might be a good idea to try to buy nigel farage off, perhaps by making him the uk ambassador to the united states, given that he's got such an incredibly strong relationship with donald trump. if nigel farage comes back to lead reform, rather than just have a sort of semi hands off role reform , are going to rise even reform, are going to rise even higher in the polls. yeah >> now, catherine, i'm keen to zone in on the working class aspects of this. working class voters deserting the tories. of course, a lot of the traditional working class vote went tory

under boris johnson. if that has gone and they are instead going for reform, that could have very, very serious consequences. currently, catherine. >> well, yes. i mean, it could cost rishi sunak the red wall effectively of people that voted conservative in 2019, and only about half of them are planning to do so again, and 1 in 3 are planning to vote for the reform party. only about 12% to go to laboun party. only about 12% to go to labour. but it doesn't really matter , because those reform matter, because those reform voters are ultimately probably going to give labour more seats in the red wall. so what does rishi sunak do now if he can't keep the red wall? he's also looking at difficulty in the blue wall, does he abandon the red wall? try to shore up the blue wall? there's no easy answers, but it seems to be that he and the conservative party are in a whole world of trouble .

are in a whole world of trouble. and now we have keir starmer yesterday, having a go. quite a canny political move, i think, saying , look, boris johnson saying, look, boris johnson talked about levelling up. he had the right idea, but rishi sunak has abandoned it. he's betrayed the voters that voted the conservatives in back in 2019. >> yes, very difficult indeed. but we're going to be speaking to a former labour special adviser very shortly about out what's going on with angela raynen what's going on with angela rayner, keir starmer's deputy. of course, keir starmer is standing by her. she's refusing to publish her tax advice. bring us the latest . us the latest. >> yes, that's right. he's standing by her. he's saying that he doesn't need to see the advice. anneliese dodds, the chair of the labour party, said similar on gb news earlier. and this is a story that's been rumbling around for weeks and weeks and frankly, isn't going away. i was at a press gallery lunch with angela rayner about

three weeks ago. she was asked repeatedly about this. then she got quite emotional, actually. she was on the verge of tears at one point, but she could clear all this up and if she chose to make the information public as to why she doesn't owe any capital gains tax on this house, which she says was her main home, and it's a bit complicated. so just bear with me . but basically, she had me. but basically, she had a home that she owned that she said was her main home. she also then had a home with her husband and her children. that neighbours say she was living in that home for these years , not that home for these years, not the home that she owned, that neighbours say her brother was living in. now, for her not to be liable for capital gains tax, one of two things must have happened either , she spent so happened either, she spent so much money doing up that home that there was no capital gains tax to pay, or she declared the home that she owned, that neighbours say she wasn't living

in as her main residence. now one of those two things must be true. if she could just explain which of those one it was , and which of those one it was, and perhaps this would all go away. and it's only about £1,500 that we're talking about. but she is housing secretary. she's deputy labour leader. she might be deputy prime minister. >> yeah. and she may well have some matter . some matter. >> and crucially, she's called for go. and this for other people to go. and this is the thing, this is the problem. when call for other problem. when you call for other people . i mean, sir ed people to resign. i mean, sir ed davey over post davey faced this over the post office when you've office scandal. when you've relentlessly called for people to own sword, then to fall on their own sword, then when swings your when that sword swings your way, you bit trouble. you are a bit in trouble. but catherine, very, very catherine, thank you very, very much. that's much. great stuff. that's katherine forster, our political correspondent. katherine forster, our political corresreminder that little reminder for you that i am going to be talking to robert jenrick, former immigration jenrick, the former immigration minister, later tonight. we'll play minister, later tonight. we'll play of clips out play you a couple of clips out on a couple of really on that, a couple of really big lines in that. of them is lines in that. one of them is that that rishi sunak, that he claims that rishi sunak, the never really the prime minister, never really cared immigration, cared about mass immigration, which is one of the reasons why we were asking at the of we were asking at the start of the show whether or not

the show there whether or not the show there whether or not the toast. but let's the tories are toast. but let's get the thoughts now former get the thoughts now of former labour adviser paul labour special adviser paul richards. paul, thank you very much for joining richards. paul, thank you very much forjoining us here. now look, starmer is very, look, keir starmer is on a very, very, very difficult footing. he's that angela rayner he's saying that angela rayner has satisfied him. it has satisfied him. and then it comes to her tax issues. however, he is refusing to actually look at the evidence isn't he. how long can this go on. >> well he is a safety first kind of guy, isn't he? and we sometimes find that frustrating. but his lawyerly approach to this, i think, puts him in the situation which he's in, which he obviously believes his deputy and he is prepared to go out to defend her and go into bat to defend her and go into bat to defend her, even though there's an enormous amount of pressure an enormous amount of pressure on an enormous amount of pressure on her. i think, to be honest, patrick is more about politics than it is about tax. and i think she's right to say, well, look, i'm going to look, you know, i'm not going to behave to anyone behave any differently to anyone else , but surely we need else, but surely we need evidence, though, paul. >> mean, angela rayner says, >> i mean, angela rayner says, oh, the british public should just take by my word. but she just take me by my word. but she

hasn't leant that kind of generosity to conservative mps, has she? in the past, she's called for their tax affairs to be public. >> that's why i say it's about more than politics, than than tax. but i think, you know, she was on the radio four the other day saying basically, well, i'll show if show me yours. >> and they're not facing a potential investigation , potential police investigation, nor and, potential police investigation, norand, her point being, well, >> and, her point being, well, why anyone else, you why should anyone else, you know, reveal their personal details before she an details from before she was an mp? forget, beyond what mp? don't forget, beyond what she done. think it will she has done. so i think it will rumble away. but i don't believe there's a smoking gun. and i think, you know , starmer is think, you know, starmer is somebody that if there was, he would differently he would act differently to how he is i i don't have any is now. i mean, i don't have any more insight into this than anyone because i've not anyone else because i've not seen either. seen the evidence either. but i do that. do believe that. >> and really about >> and it's not really about politics. about integrity. politics. it's about integrity. and honesty, something that she claims quite lot claims to care quite a lot about. i think it's also as well, were running well, if you were running a business, paul, and someone working you potentially working for you was potentially up for no good, to the point where the police may well take a look something not once, look at something not once, but twice. as said ,

twice. and you, as a boss, said, i'm actually not going to look at the evidence for it myself. that wouldn't wash , would it? so that wouldn't wash, would it? so why it for keir starmer? >> well hang on, i mean, the first the police at first time the police looked at it said to answer. first time the police looked at it seagain to answer. first time the police looked at it seagain they're answer. first time the police looked at it seagain they're now ver. and now again they're now going back just make why back over it just to make why are back into it. are they going back into it. >> all right. >> all right. >> and if they do it a second time they're going back into it for reassess it for a second time to reassess it for a second time to reassess it for reason that is for the simple reason that it is claimed didn't claimed that they didn't actually the evidence or actually look at the evidence or speak witnesses. we speak to key witnesses. so we can't really first can't really take the first issue value, can we? >> i'm not sure that's >> so i'm not sure that's the i don't think that the reason. don't think that is the reason. i think it's because of the political pressure they've come under from the conservative party who are turning this into a know, ahead party who are turning this into a an know, ahead party who are turning this into a an election. know, ahead of an election. >> does look like you >> it does look like you understand what does >> it does look like you undelike1d what does >> it does look like you undelike to what does >> it does look like you undelike to some'hat does >> it does look like you undelike to some people, )es look like to some people, though, keir starmer look like to some people, thjust|, keir starmer look like to some people, thjust closing keir starmer look like to some people, thjust closing his keir starmer look like to some people, thjust closing his eyes starmer look like to some people, thjust closing his eyes toarmer is just closing his eyes to this, hoping it goes away. he needs angela rayner doesn't he? for a lot of political reasons, party management, least party management, not least keeping various sections of the party on side. it does look as though he's saying, you know, see no evil, know no evil. i don't want to know .

don't want to know. >> well, she is an asset to laboun >> well, she is an asset to labour, particularly with some of those working class voters that you were reporting earlier, had reform and, you had gone off to reform and, you know, whose votes are now back in play , but i think also he is in play, but i think also he is somebody who's evidence led. i mean, career has been mean, his whole career has been about evidence. he must about evidence. so he he must know you know, when she know that you know, when she says that she's in the clear, she's the clear. otherwise she's in the clear. otherwise why he put himself at risk why would he put himself at risk of, attack? know , so he of, of attack? you know, so he is honest man and think, is an honest man and i think, angela is somebody who we can trust. and the reason, you know , trust. and the reason, you know, she's being under, under attack like is because she is an like this is because she is an asset working asset with those working class votes are after votes that reform are after two. i votes that reform are after two. | , votes that reform are after two. i , it would all go away if i mean, it would all go away if she published it, though, wouldn't it? >> what it? >> but what is it? >> but what is it? >> mean, do you have sort >> i mean, do you have a sort of, you the advice that of, you know, the advice that she received, and the most recent . well, what she recent adviser. well, what she is currently doing is and let's be very honest about this , be very honest about this, angela rayner not stand angela rayner would not stand for excuses if for angela rayner's excuses if she was a tory, and neither would you. okay, so what she is saying is i've taken legal advice and advice from a tax specialist who she is not naming

or us any information. or giving us any information. and she says, well, that completely of any completely absolves him of any responsibility and we just have to swallow that. and is the to swallow that. and this is the deputy leader , soon to be deputy leader, soon to be potentially, deputy potentially, anyway, the deputy prime minister, do you not think it's worthwhile that we know that? do they not have to hold themselves to a higher standard than mortals like us? paul? than mere mortals like us? paul? >> well, that's i do think >> well, that's true. i do think there is something of a probity in politics, but i think she's past that test. and she i think we need to move on from this because going you because it's not going to, you know, gun. know, there's no smoking gun. i don't is any further don't think there is any further evidence come out. it is just evidence to come out. it is just a row. a political row. >> see. there's >> we'll see. and there's far more things talk about. >> we'll whether police >> we'll see whether the police decide that there is something worth there worth investigating there properly. out, we'll properly. we'll find out, we'll find but i it's find out. but i think it's a good thing the british good thing that the british press questions, good thing that the british prespeople questions, good thing that the british prespeople don't questions, good thing that the british prespeople don't like .tions, good thing that the british prespeople don't like hypocrisy , the people don't like hypocrisy, do they? but thank you very much. if there is hypocrisy here, paul richards, thank you very much indeed. former labour special adviser . great to speak special adviser. great to speak to good stuff. up to you. good stuff. he put up a good defence. to you. good stuff. he put up a gooyeah.3nce. to you. good stuff. he put up a gooyeah. i|ce. to you. good stuff. he put up a gooyeah. i mean, look, know,

>> yeah. i mean, look, you know, fair enough in a way, but you've got lot different moving got a lot of different moving parts main bit parts to this. and the main bit is does seem a little is that it does seem a little bit hypocritical that in the past have been calls past there have been calls for other go. the past other people to go. the past calls for people provide calls for people to provide evidence. the keir evidence. and i think the keir starmer's at the moment is starmer's line at the moment is a very one, which a very, very skilful one, which is, actually is, look, i haven't actually directly but is, look, i haven't actually dbelieve but is, look, i haven't actually dbelieve which but is, look, i haven't actually dbelieve which means but is, look, i haven't actually dbelieve which means that i believe her, which means that if comes up and it's if anything comes up and it's a big if, angela rayner denies everything. course he's everything. and of course he's got distance from got a bit of distance from him. >> quite interesting >> yes. it's quite interesting heanng hearing angela rayner talk about privacy, should publish privacy, why should i publish this when, of course, she was very much on nadhim zahawi. don't you remember? over his tax affairs, but perhaps there's no wrongdoing . but we don't know wrongdoing. but we don't know yet. don't yet. and yet. we don't know yet. and should starmer actually should keir starmer actually have a look at evidence, try have a look at the evidence, try and in to actually see if and delve in to actually see if something's gone wrong? or is he just away? but just hoping it will go away? but should note, should women on another note, should women on another note, should in men's should women be allowed in men's only clubs, or at least the garrick club? in this case, it's nearly 200 years old. this london's members club. they're considering now under huge amounts pressure, in amounts of pressure, letting in certain female members after years of backlash can i just

quickly ask your views on this gb views or gb news? >> com okay. and i'm just going to put it this way. should men be allowed their own spaces? okay. gb news. com this okay. gb views gb news. com this is good afternoon britain. we'll see you later.

all right. welcome back to good afternoon, britain. now, i sat down with former immigration minister robert jenrick. you're gonna have to tune in tonight on my usual show. 9 to 11 pm. to see the full interview. well it's funny you should say that, because as if by magic, we have got a couple of little clips. but i was speaking to mr jenrick. asked him about what jenrick. i asked him about what he thinks prime he thinks about the prime minister's legal immigration. >> i didn't feel that the prime minister understood the

importance of legal migration on to the british public. it was an issue that i have cared about for a long time. i shared that conviction with suella braverman , the home secretary at the time. i met the prime time. she and i met the prime minister approximately every fortnight talk about home fortnight to talk about home office issues like stopping the boats like security and policing. never once did we have a conversation about legal migration, because the prime minister didn't want to talk about it. >> that is crazy, actually. if this is true, what robert jenrick has said, and i have no reason not to believe him, rishi sunak our prime minister a conservative prime minister, didn't really care, didn't care to talk about legal migration, even though among so many conservative voters it is their top issue , the top concern. top issue, the top concern. >> yeah, absolutely. i mean, there's quite a bit more of that. i doubled down on it because i wanted to make sure that that was right. what he'd said he'd not misspoken. and it goes detail,

goes on in more detail, actually, that actually, about the idea that rishi it appears, just rishi sunak, it appears, just did think that immigration did not think that immigration at the kind of 700,000 numbers was a big issue, which, by the way, is very different to what he was saying publicly. so that's the concern and is there anything to be said as well about the idea that he's just so obsessed with the gdp figures from the treasury that he couldn't deviate from it? it is a wide ranging interview that with robert jenrick he talks about crime and also has an about crime and he also has an update us the update for us on how the government forced to government could be forced to produce the figures on how many asylum seekers and people with pending visa applications have committed crimes in britain. valuable information to add to that immigration debate, of course, that focusing on illegal and not legal. but yeah, do tune in to that. >> yes, tune into that tonight. we'll you a couple more we'll bring you a couple more clips of clips over the course of the show whet appetite , but show to whet your appetite, but in other news, the garrick club now , this is a club that is now, this is a club that is exclusive male only members in london, and it's considering

with some pressure after some pressure, accepting women for the first time in its 193 year history. so the establishment has often found itself at the centre of controversy over its no female status. >> high profile members such as stephen fry have called for change, while fry's at it. i find this quite interesting. >> the men who are members of this exclusive club saying, oh no, would women join no, i would love women to join love women to join. and now we have a women that have been have a few women that have been put for the job. well, put forward for the job. well, joining now jean hatchett, joining us now is jean hatchett, who is a feminist activist and writer. now, i understand you have a bit of a different view to to, me on this one. i'm not sure i can get particularly excited about these men's clubs. i mean, why why can't have i mean, why why can't they have a men's only what's the a men's only space? what's the problem, , i think some of problem, jean, i think some of the comparisons that have been, made recently are with women who need single—sex spaces for specific reasons, and i don't, you know, this, this is a completely different power dynamic. >> you've got , you know, 1500

>> you've got, you know, 1500 members who are male, who are in some of the, leading institutions in the country, you know, politicians, you've got , know, politicians, you've got, eight, high court judges, you've got, 150 cases in this country , got, 150 cases in this country, who are male. these are some of the leading power structures that influence society. that is nowhere like when women gather together, in need of safety or in need of promoting, female equality. it'sjust in need of promoting, female equality. it's just not the same thing at all. so, you know , thing at all. so, you know, women, anybody can gather anywhere they want with, the sex of their choice. but when you have a specific organisation , have a specific organisation, like the garrick club, where some of the most powerful men in the country gather, then that's got quite a different implication for women who are excluded . excluded. >> there is a picture that's been doing the rounds today. i'll let emily talk us through it. but, yes. >> essentially this is a picture, of several prominent

feminists. they are usually known as quite woke feminists. you've got charlotte proudman there, doctor charlotte proudman , she's a lawyer. and we have doctor scholar who many people may know from broadcast media. she's also a professor, i believe. and they went down to the garrick club because they're so furious about it that they're demanding the garrick club open their doors to equality, seats for women, etc, etc. is this really the priority for feminists in 2024? i mean, we've still got rapes going without conviction. we've got sexual assaults on the rise. we've got so many other issues that are affecting women. isn't this just affecting women. isn't this just a bit lame? jean what do you think of this? >> isn't that the classic argument ? look over there. you argument? look over there. you know, don't look at this. look at instead feminist women at that. instead feminist women have always been asked to do that. actually, know have always been asked to do that. we actually, know have always been asked to do that. we can:ually, know have always been asked to do that. we can do ly, know have always been asked to do that. we can do more know have always been asked to do that. we can do more knoone what we can do more than one thing once. yeah, there thing at once. so yeah, there are tackling , you know, are women tackling, you know, domestic violence, rape, fgm.

there are lots of feminist women. you'd be without surprise to, to know. and we can do lots of different things at once to tackle the various aspects of inequality for women. >> we can't just ask why, genuinely, why are you so bothered about the idea of a few blokes wearing a club tie, going and having a scotch and smoking and having a scotch and smoking a cigar with their mate? i mean, i do put it to you that that this is an incredibly metropolitan, fluffy, liberal elite thing to get very worked up about. i mean, does this have mass appeal? seriously, it's the garrick club. i mean, i'll be honest with who cares ? honest with you. who cares? >> i care why? >> i care why? >> because, well, would never >> because, well, i would never be able to get there no matter how hard i worked. >> you wanted to how sorry do you to? you want to? >> i'm from a working class background in the north. and if the things that affected my life as a young woman and moving through life are based on the power of 1500 men getting together, promoting each other ,

together, promoting each other, looking after each other interests, then you know that has a knock effect for women has a knock on effect for women like for young girls like like me, for young girls like me now might have the ambition now who might have the ambition to a judge might have the to be a judge or might have the ambition to be a kc and they're not in there . and, you know, not in there. and, you know, academics and journalists, they're in there . they're in there. >> gina, i think that's the strongest argument that people of different backgrounds, you know, won't have access to these buildings. i'm not sure whether that has to do with the fact that has to do with the fact that it's men's only, because, you reading today that you know, reading today that they've nominated these rebel men at garrick club who want men at the garrick club who want it to be to be open to women, who are they nominating? well, they're nominating dame mary baird amber rudd. i mean, baird and amber rudd. i mean, these are women who are at the top of their industries . they're top of their industries. they're just as much a part of the elite as the men who are at this club. so that's not really helping with social mobility, it? with social mobility, is it? just few women just plonking a few women who probably want to be probably don't even want to be members there? members in there? >> don't think that's >> well, i don't think that's that. that's the case, it? that. that's the case, is it? it's nominal to start it's a nominal woman to start with, to break down those

barriers. and that's always been the case, you know, for , for a the case, you know, for, for a centuries that there has always had be the first woman to do had to be the first woman to do something that opens up the doors other women . so, doors for other women. so, you know, it doesn't really know, i think it doesn't really matter which women, but i really want this differential to be made between women who need space for themselves and for advancing the rights of women and men having protection, for their rights to promote each other. and, you know, these are not this is not toothless stuff. if you've got . if you've got. >> oh, well , we're if you've got. >> oh, well, we're going to if you've got. >> oh, well , we're going to have >> oh, well, we're going to have to leave it there because your line is breaking up. >> sorry, jane. sorry, jane. your line just broke up at the end, but i think we caught most of to say. jean of what you had to say. jean hatchet, great to speak hatchet, really great to speak to activist to you. feminist activist and writer. her point writer. i do take her point about these places not being open elitist, open to all they are elitist, but something but is there something fundamentally with fundamentally wrong with anything that is seen as elitist, what elitist, any institution? what about ? should we just about oxbridge? should we just let it open to everyone regardless know , it's regardless of, you know, it's a men's club for goodness sake, says men's club for goodness sake, sayyou know , here we go. nothing

>> you know, here we go. nothing stopping high profile women from forming women's only forming their own women's only club, alan. i to club, says alan. i belong to the women's university club and a number of other ones, says tina. much as i love men, i don't want them invading my space. you know, why do these women want to be accepted? says janice. there's lot of women in the there's a lot of women in the inbox, an overwhelming number. can actually, of women in can i say, actually, of women in the views at news. the inbox gb views at gb news. com with saying back com the problem with saying back off day feminism. off with modern day feminism. >> yes, jean's >> in some ways, yes, jean's right that women can concentrate on issue, but to on more than one issue, but to the majority of women, the vast majority of women, i would hazard guess they would hazard a guess they couldn't about the couldn't care less about the garrick club. let's just say garrick club. and let's just say the majority of men the vast, vast majority of men don't stand chance of getting don't stand a chance of getting membership club anyway . membership at that club anyway. i mean, it's not like it's open to men, it? anyway, to all men, is it? anyway, westminster city hall are under fire they've caught fire because they've been caught out, essentially scrambling for a seemingly window a seemingly last minute window display whilst they had a ramadan display. and then a few hours later, scramble, scramble, scramble. there's a little easter celebration in there. so we'll get to the bottom of this. it's afternoon, britain.

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i >> right. emma >> right. it's 1238. you're watching and listening to good afternoon, britain with me and patrick yes. patrick christys. yes. >> for tom now. >> time filling in for tom now. >> time filling in for tom now. >> should parents be fined for their children's bad behaviour? let's have a at clip. let's have a look at this clip. >> okay. right . so this is >> okay. all right. so this is a load of kids. i mean hundreds of them. okay storming in somewhere. not a care in the world. >> milton keynes, shopping centre . yeah. centre. yeah. >> so a lot of them in the school uniform. so they don't care by the way, about the school being contacted. look, they're harassing there's they're harassing staff. there's assault going on there. can you imagine was other assault going on there. can you imagaround, was other assault going on there. can you imagaround, bywas other assault going on there. can you imagaround, by the other assault going on there. can you imagaround, by the way, ither assault going on there. can you imagaround, by the way, ith�*a way around, by the way, in a shop assistant put his on shop assistant put his hand on one of the kids or, you know, arrest them for assault, all of that latest that stuff. this is the latest in of examples of in a long line of examples of this. had on oxford this. we've had it on oxford street. load of street. we've had a load of issues up down the country issues up and down the country when to essentially when it comes to essentially children running children just running riot. well, what we well, we're asking, what do we need about this?

need to do about this? >> yeah, we're going to be debating later on the debating this later on in the show because thinking show because we're thinking that actually these are still children . they may behave like children. they may behave like absolute yobbos, but they are still children . so surely the still children. so surely the responsibility for their behaviour lie with their parents. >> exactly. so should parents be prosecuted? is it fair? is it fair to prosecute parents for the behaviour of their children? i mean, they're clearly not disciplining them, are they? none of those children there seem to be afraid of what would happen they went happen to them if they went home. gone home. that video has gone absolutely have chosen home. that video has gone ab blur:ely have chosen home. that video has gone ab blur their have chosen home. that video has gone ab blur their faces. have chosen home. that video has gone ab blur their faces. there chosen home. that video has gone ab blur their faces. there are�*sen to blur their faces. there are unblurred this, you to blur their faces. there are unblu|it's this, you to blur their faces. there are unblu|it's gone this, you to blur their faces. there are unblu|it's gone viral. this, you to blur their faces. there are unblu|it's gone viral. like, you know, it's gone viral. like i said, parents could seeing said, parents could be seeing that care, they? that they don't care, do they? doesn't appear much doesn't appear to be much discipline could discipline at home. could parents or prosecuted parents be fined or prosecuted for the actions of their children? just a couple of emails quickly, michael. i mean, michael's gone quite drastic. he says workhouse . i says bring back workhouse. i hope joking about all hope you are, joking about all of children should of that. these children should be given community service. however, they don't up. however, they don't turn up. then parents should then their parents should complete it instead. that's a very point . very good point. >> bruce says this goes beyond holding parents solely

responsible . all we've taken responsible. all we've taken away parents and teachers powers. our kids all powers. we teach our kids all this woke nonsense. we need leaders family leaders who bring back family values and make everyone know if they there is a they do wrong. there is a consequence. i think consequence. yes i think this goes beyond, know, goes even beyond, you know, parental and what parental responsibility and what is going on in our country where kids feel emboldened to behave like this. >> yeah, there's another issue which a couple of you are raising in the inbox. we will talk this in more detail talk about this in more detail at we have this debate, at 120 when we have this debate, single families . at 120 when we have this debate, single families. is at 120 when we have this debate, single families . is that single parent families. is that an the breakdown of an issue? the breakdown of the nuclear can't help . is nuclear family can't help. is that be a problem? that going to be a problem? strong on that. strong views on that. right. moving on. moving on. >> because, westminster city hall have changed hall was seen to have changed their window display from ramadan to easter in a matter of hours. now, this happened because, a tory councillor , paul because, a tory councillor, paul swadel, pointed out that the islamic holy month had been honoured, but there was absolutely no corresponding easter display. so scramble, scramble, scramble, they put in a little easter one a few hours later. >> that's ridiculous, isn't it? it ramadan it comes after ramadan lights were across were put on display across central possibly

central london. quite possibly in a town or city near you as well, and it prompted concern over support for other major faiths during important festivals. so we're asking are we pandering to other religions? joining us now is social policy analyst doctor akiba. doctor raqib. thank you very , very raqib. thank you very, very much. there appears to be an excessive attempt to mark ramadan, whether it's that or having religious proverbs on a messaging board at king's cross station, and no doubt elsewhere doesn't appear to be a huge push to celebrate any christian festivals. is that unfair of me to suggest? >> well, i think that one of the big problems there, i'd say patrick, is, as you know, there's been a decline in christian devotion our country. >> and actually think as a >> and i actually think as a non—christian, that's non—christian, that that's a crying at the turn of the crying shame at the turn of the century. in the 2001 england and wales census, than 7 in 10 wales census, more than 7 in 10 residents across the two home nafions residents across the two home nations identified as christian in the more recent 2021 census that dropped to under half,

around 46. i'd also make the point that those ramadan light displays that you showed there that wasn't directly funded from the public purse, that was actually the aziz actually funded by the aziz foundation, which was formed by the businessman and the billionaire businessman and philanthropist asif aziz, but for me, generally, if you want to in terms of my central view on it, i think that if we're truly, pluralistic society in a religious sense, i think that , religious sense, i think that, variety of religious celebrations, should be promoted in the public sphere. and as a social conservative, i'd be quite pleased with that. >> so, raqib you think this is just a symptom the decline of just a symptom of the decline of practising in this practising christians in this country, that if christians kicked up more of a farce and showed that they were religious and showed that they were going to church and congregations were boosted , then there would boosted, then there would naturally be more emphasis on christianity . naturally be more emphasis on christianity. is naturally be more emphasis on christianity . is that what christianity. is that what you're saying, emily? >> i've argued for some time

that i'd really like to see a reconnection country's reconnection with the country's christian and christian heritage, history and traditions. that traditions. and i think that a stronger sense of christian assertiveness, i'd actually welcome it, because that would mean that there'd be a grow, a growth in monotheistic beliefs. and as a british muslim, i'd welcome that . welcome that. >> yeah, but how can we have the promotion of christianity in a country when we have an archbishop who is obsessed with wishing happy ramadan, wishing people a happy ramadan, when he's obsessed with, you know, comparing any kind of strong for strong border policy, for example, the nazis. example, to that of the nazis. but argue as well but i would also argue as well that part of a wider that this is part of a wider pervades woke diversity and inclusion situation that we're in, even to the point where we see things like hot cross buns. i know this might sound minimal, for but you know, it's for example, but you know, it's got the cross on it. we have to turn to a hot take and turn it to a hot take bun, and we'll honest you, raqib, we'll be honest with you, raqib, i worst i think the i think the worst i think the worst having worst offender was having the hadhhs worst offender was having the hadiths station hadiths in king's cross station on the departure board. >> that there was >> i think that had there was a consensus, across the consensus, it seemed across the board, that that board, left, right, that that was totally inappropriate. >> i just wonder whether or not, even had an increasing

even if we had an increasing number of people attending church, for example, which i think most many people would argue thing, that's think most many people would arglgoing thing, that's think most many people would arglgoing to thing, that's think most many people would arglgoing to do thing, that's think most many people would arglgoing to do thing, to at's think most many people would arglgoing to do thing, to get rid not going to do much to get rid of idea that diversity is of this idea that diversity is our greatest strength, and the only way can that is by only way we can show that is by forcefully other forcefully promoting other religions, forcefully promoting other reli well, the point that >> well, i'd make the point that i think existing policies connected to diversity, equity, inclusion, i think they're deeply exclusionary . i think deeply exclusionary. i think there's a real problem with treating christianity as a form of whiteness . i've heard that on of whiteness. i've heard that on a number of occasions, people clearly not understanding that a very significant portion of christians , living in the uk are christians, living in the uk are non—white, whether that's go in roman catholics in swindon or nigerian protestants in south—east london. so i think that what we're talking about here is how institutions, how they celebrate faith . and i they celebrate faith. and i think some institutions may well be more willing to celebrate occasions and celebrations , occasions and celebrations, connected to islam. but i think that should also be done when it comes to christianity. and i

think that this particular case that we're talking about here, at times, it's almost like christianity is a bit of an afterthought for some of these radical institutions radical progressive institutions . i think that's a shame. >> yeah, i that's right. >> yeah, i think that's right. thank very much. we'll have >> yeah, i think that's right. th leave very much. we'll have >> yeah, i think that's right. th leave it very much. we'll have >> yeah, i think that's right. th leave it there. 1uch. we'll have >> yeah, i think that's right. th leave it there. doctorie'll have >> yeah, i think that's right. th leave it there. doctor raqibive to leave it there. doctor raqib hassan, great speak you as hassan, great to speak to you as always. i mean, if it's true that and i'm is that there's and i'm sure it is actually that a muslim businessman was able to fund the lights it lights of ramadan, so does it just you know, the just go to, you know, the highest highest bidder? just go to, you know, the highe�*did highest bidder? just go to, you know, the highe�*did anyone st bidder? just go to, you know, the highe�*did anyone suggest'? just go to, you know, the highe�*did anyone suggest any yeah. did anyone suggest any other lights or other type of lights or anything? have anything? things have to be approved by the relevant people and it is up to those relevant people if they want to attend the light switch on. >> okay as well. and obviously everybody for everybody could see for themselves attend themselves who did attend that light on. and you wonder, light switch on. and you wonder, well, that's that's a ringing endorsement, isn't it? it's a ringing endorsement of it. >> spokesman >> well, a spokesman for westminster council has said the council supports from council supports festivals from different communities council supports festivals from different the:ommunities council supports festivals from different the:ommiandes council supports festivals from different the:ommiand the throughout the year, and the ramadan that ramadan lights form part of that activity. would activity. we hope this would inspire muslims and people of other up with other faiths to come up with their ideas to celebrate their own ideas to celebrate important events. it's spreading awareness way awareness in such a nice way through light installation. >> just as well, just

>> can i just say as well, just quickly that , that when we quickly on that, that when we went to network rail about what was on the king's cross departure boards, okay, we said to them, will you be putting these ramadan messages on, you know, for the entirety of the festival and then will you be doing anything for easter? and instead we'll do instead of saying, yes, we'll do something easter , they something for easter, they decided to remove the ramadan message review into message and have a review into the policy going forward. so you can into that you can read into that what you will. yes because to will. yes because they seem to suggest message, suggest also in another message, didn't , that they weren't didn't they, that they weren't quite why these messages quite sure why these messages were . up there quite sure why these messages were. up there in quite sure why these messages were . up there in the first were. up there in the first place, as if perhaps it was a rogue employee or something. they didn't, they didn't know and we to them. yesterday and we went to them. yesterday they back to said, they came back to us and said, they're still looking it. they're still looking into it. so but look, so there we are. but look, coming to the throne, coming up here to the throne, heir throne. no, the heir to the throne. no, the british army lifting 100 british army is lifting a 100 year something british army is lifting a 100 yearnever something british army is lifting a 100 yearnever troubled ething british army is lifting a 100 yearnever troubled with.) i've never been troubled with. i must the kings signed i've never been troubled with. i must wow the kings signed i've never been troubled with. i must wow not the kings signed i've never been troubled with. i must wow not really.1gs signed i've never been troubled with. i must wow not really. no.;igned it off. wow not really. no. anyway, anyway, from anyway, anyway, we'll hear from a lieutenant colonel shortly. or is it lieutenant? never know, is it lieutenant? i never know, lieutenant. lieutenant we lieutenant. lieutenant there we

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>> it's 1250 in the afternoon, and the british army has overturned a 100 year ban on beards and the king has signed off on the decision to allow both officers and soldiers to wear their facial hair. >> well, the move will bring the army into line royal army into line with the royal navy raf, who already navy and the raf, who already permit beards with grant shapps. the defence secretary previously saying the beard ban was ludicrous . ludicrous. >> interesting that grant shapps had such a strong opinion on beards being allowed in the army. >> well, i mean, they've got a recruitment crisis. so like anyone now joining us now is lieutenant colonel stuart crawford stuart interested to know your opinion on this. >> beards. yay or nay . >> beards. yay or nay. >> beards. yay or nay. >> good afternoon patrick.

>> good afternoon patrick. >> namely, i'm supremely relaxed about it, actually. >> and i think that, traditionally the military lags about 20 years behind civilian society in terms of, fashion and trends. and this is just a sign of the, the army catching up with the already two services, as you've mentioned already there. there was an argument, i believe, during the cold war, a valid argument that facial hair would prevent , seal on valid argument that facial hair would prevent, seal on your respirator, i.e. gas mask. should there be a chemical attack? a gas attack , in in, the attack? a gas attack, in in, the cold war, and i think that risk obviously has diminished considerably . so now is the obviously has diminished considerably. so now is the time when we can quite sensibly say, well, you know, beards in the army. that's absolutely is it all about practicality? >> is it all about practicality? isn't it also about how you look and absolutely, you know, it's a lot to do. and the sort of, what's the word, the discipline

you need to shave your shave your beard off every morning. >> yes. no, absolutely . it's >> yes. no, absolutely. it's a lot to do with that. and, uniformity and, tradition, although, you know , look at the although, you know, look at the crimean war, everybody had a beard. so it's not as if, beards in the british army is anything new, far from it, and there there have been there has been much, choking and spluttering from the leather armchairs in various london clubs over this decision. but i think that it's a pretty sensible one. and if it does enhance the prospect of recruiting, bearing in mind that 52% of british males sport facial hair. so i'm told then that's a good thing. and also, particularly with the recruiting from the ethnic minority, sector of society where beers are more prevalent. >> okay. now is this a symbol of desperation , lieutenant colonel, desperation, lieutenant colonel, you know, are we now lowering the threshold? there was concern before about, oh, we're going to

let women fight on the front line. there was a recruitment advert that centred around taking break the to taking a break for the call to prayer mid—battle, i found prayer mid—battle, which i found absolutely we're absolutely bizarre. now we're seeing going to have seeing that we're going to have potential just potential beards. is this just as lowering the standard of entry in a entry or the requirements in a desperate bid to try to recruit more people? >> don't think it'll be >> i don't think it'll be lowering the standard of entry, because depend on the because that will depend on the qualities of the individual or individuals themselves. but it's certainly removing a perceived barrier to , a career in the barrier to, a career in the armed services and particularly in the army being being more popular, whether it will work or not. and where what might happen next remains to be seen. but but from a personal point of view, i think this is a good thing, i can't see any reason why soldiers should not have beards as long as a certain modicum of, you know, care and attention is appued you know, care and attention is applied to it. >> i like to think there are barriers to joining the army. yeah. you know, don't want to take them all down. don't want to take all the barriers down

because a recruitment because we have a recruitment crisis. anyway , i completely crisis. but anyway, i completely understand point's understand your point's very good. well made. stuart crawford, lieutenant colonel. good stuff. crawford, lieutenant colonel. gocyes, uff. crawford, lieutenant colonel. gocyes, indeed . well, quite a >> yes, indeed. well, quite a few of you getting in touch on that. people saying, well, can i just point out that i would much rather have someone with a beard standing in the way of me and the enemy? that's from mike. oh, there you go. >> clearly a fan of beards, >> clearly a fan of the beards, but coming it time to but coming up, is it time to find the parents of unruly feral kids having that debate very shortly lots of strong shortly indeed, lots of strong opinions coming in on that one. >> yes. what should we do? should we prosecute if should we prosecute parents if their children dangerously their children are dangerously out of control? good afternoon, britain. news we are britain. here on gb news we are britain's news channel . britain's news channel. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello there. welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast

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news. >> well. hey. very good afternoon. britain. it is 1 pm. on friday, the 29th of march. soon allegedly refused to discuss mass immigration with his own immigration minister. >> working class tories are switching to reform . has the switching to reform. has the prime minister given up? and how long can keir starmer stand by

his deputy, angela rayner? the clock is ticking . clock is ticking. >> our left wing council celebrating ramadan more than easter. why is that? one council has been caught out scrambling around at the last minute to even mention the christian festival. we'll tell you who and why can't men have their own spaces? >> woke feminists are protesting outside the garrick club, demanding that it let women in. but is this really all feminists have to worry about? >> okay, so should the parents of feral kids be prosecuted, fined , sent to prison, whatever. fined, sent to prison, whatever. because we keep seeing scenes, don't we? a little bit like what's going on here in milton keynes now, this is the latest in a long line incidents. in a long line of incidents. hundreds children in their hundreds of children in their school uniform clearly not caring the school, finding school uniform clearly not cari obviouslythe school, finding school uniform clearly not

cari obviously not school, finding school uniform clearly not cariobviously not caring finding school uniform clearly not cari obviously not caring aboutg out obviously not caring about their parents, finding out. i mean, we've chosen to blur this video, it's gone viral and video, but it's gone viral and no parents see no doubt the parents will see this, don't care, do they? this, they don't care, do they? the breakdown of and order. the breakdown of law and order. so should parents actually be the ones who are prosecuted? this street , emily, this was oxford street, emily, wasn't it? yes. >> shocking. was >> this was shocking. this was oxford hundreds of oxford street, where hundreds of children, thousands, children, if not thousands, really there . they really just stormed there. they all got together via social media. lots of looting, took place. even so, proper criminality not just causing a scene, not just appalling behaviour, but actual criminal on our streets in oxford circus in broad daylight . the same in in broad daylight. the same in milton keynes, in broad daylight. security don't know to what do. the police aren't there to do anything. what where are the parents? where are the parents? why do they not know where children are? if where their children are? and if they where their they do know where their children why they children are, why don't they care actually stop care enough to actually stop their children leaving the their children from leaving the house? can't behave house? if they can't behave themselves house? if they can't behave themselthose just examples >> and those are just examples of like criminal damage of things like criminal damage and shoplifting and harassment and shoplifting and harassment and well and anti—social behaviour. well you also see lot of videos you also see a lot of videos going of them pushing

going around of them pushing and shoving about shoving police officers about absolutely for law and absolutely no regard for law and order whatsoever. so should the parents be the ones to be pursued? remember when it was all kicking off about whether kids were truant off school and the could be sent to the parents could be sent to prison? few years the parents could be sent to prisowasn't few years the parents could be sent to prisowasn't it? few years the parents could be sent to prisowasn't it? well, aw years the parents could be sent to prisowasn't it? well, all'ears the parents could be sent to prisowasn't it? well, all right, ago, wasn't it? well, all right, should parents prosecuted should the parents be prosecuted for kids for this now? why are their kids everybody problem? gb everybody else's problem? gb views or gb views? com we'll be talking that and much more talking about that and much more coming your after the coming your way after the headunes coming your way after the headlines sofia. headlines with sofia. >> thanks, patrick. good afternoon. it's 1:02. >> thanks, patrick. good afternoon. it's1:02. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. your top story this hour. one of the conservative party's major donors has received a knighthood as part of a surprise honours list from rishi sunak. mohamed mansour gave £5 million to the tories last year and is a senior treasurer for the party. he was knighted for what's described as services to business, charity and politics. other recipients include mp philip davies, who is

also a former presenter on this network. labour party chairwoman anneliese dodds says it's the act of a prime minister who doesn't expect to have his job for much longer. >> it seems to be an almost automatic pass now under the conservatives and particularly the individual mr mansour, who was last year, last january, the biggest ever donor to the conservatives, £5 million at that stage, the biggest individual donation that had been given then seeming to have that automatic pass through to receiving a an honour under rishi sunak . receiving a an honour under rishi sunak. i think if anything, it demonstrates yet again his weakness that he is focused on internal party issues all of the time, rather than on the needs of country . the needs of our country. >> now the timing of the list is unusual, coming while parliament is in recess and on the eve of the easter bank holiday weekend, we asked people in hull what they think of tory mps receiving honours. >> i think much of anything ,1 >> i think much of anything, 1 or 2 of them most probably try,

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stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts. now it's back to patrick and . emily. to patrick and. emily. >> well, bringing you some breaking news this afternoon. it's 107. and sir jeffrey donaldson, the leader of the democratic unionist party, has been suspended . now, in a been suspended. now, in a statement, the dup said the party chairman has received a letter from sirjeffrey letter from sir jeffrey donaldson mp confirming that he has been charged with allegations of a historical nature and indicating that he is stepping down as leader of the democratic unionist party with immediate effect. now in accordance with the party rules, the party officers have suspended mr donaldson from membership pending the outcome of judicial process. membership pending the outcome of judicial process . the party of a judicial process. the party officers have this morning unanimously appointed mr gavin robinson mp, as the interim party leader. >> yeah, so sir jeffrey has led the party since 2021 but has

been an mp since 1997. prior to joining the dup , he was part of joining the dup, he was part of the ulster unionist party delegation to negotiate the good friday peace agreement. he's a big figure not just in northern ireland but in british politics. absolutely as well . so just to absolutely as well. so just to reiterate as well that that breaking news, which is just coming to us right now, more of this, of course, to follow, which is as per a statement, the dup said that the party chairman has received a letter from sir jeffrey donaldson mp confirming that he has been charged with allegations of an historical nature and indicating that he is stepping down as leader of the democratic unionist party with immediate effect . democratic unionist party with immediate effect. i democratic unionist party with immediate effect . i understand immediate effect. i understand that the social media accounts of sir jeffrey donaldson were deleted overnight as well, and at some point we will be going to our northern ireland reporter dougie beattie. they are saying that the party officers have this morning unanimously appointed robinson mp, appointed mr gavin robinson mp, as interim party leader. so

as the interim party leader. so big news coming now in the world of politics. and that is that sir jeffrey donaldson of the democratic unionist party has stepped down. >> so yes . and we're going to be >> so yes. and we're going to be speaking to our northern ireland reporter in a little bit. time to get a little bit more context on this story. sirjeffrey on this story. sir jeffrey donaldson was elected leader of the dup back in 2021. he has as as sir patrick said , been a huge as sir patrick said, been a huge figure in british politics. so shall we speak to katherine forster? i believe she's with us now. katherine forster, who is in westminster for us just receiving this breaking news, what do we know ? what do we know? >> yes, a bit of a bombshell. this isn't it, >> yes, a bit of a bombshell. this isn't it , jeffrey this isn't it, jeffrey donaldson, the leader of the democratic unionist party, standing down with immediate effect. we knew that something was afoot when they were having an emergency meeting on good friday. this is a party that, of course, takes christianity and religion very seriously. this

good friday, one of the most important days of the year is the day that jesus christ was crucified. so the very fact they were having this meeting today tells us that something extraordinary is going on. and so it has proved now we don't know very much at the moment. the dup have issued a statement saying he's standing down with immediate effect over historic , immediate effect over historic, allegations. more information will no doubt be emerging over the next hour or so , but my the next hour or so, but my goodness, what a fall from grace he's been a long time figure in northern ireland. he replaced, arlene foster, who, of course , arlene foster, who, of course, was head of the democratic unionist party , during the unionist party, during the brexit negotiations, when theresa may found that extra few billion down the back of the sofa to get the dup on board to effectively keep her in power. and under jeffrey donaldson, we've had the windsor framework

rishi sunak deal to improve. as he said on the brexit deal that the democratic unionist party were so deeply, deeply unhappy with. now there were plenty of people in the dup that, weren't happy with the windsor framework and that is why it took so very, very to long bring the dup back into power sharing at stormont to get that up and running again. that's only finally happenedin again. that's only finally happened in the last few weeks . happened in the last few weeks. so this is a huge bombshell. we will bring you more as we get it. of course. >> thank you very much indeed for bringing us that breaking news. katherine forster, our political editor there . political editor there. >> yes. no, indeed. i mean, jeffrey donaldson is a massive figure in british politics, actually had a big role to play when it came to the good friday agreement he's been dup, leader

since 2021. did, of course, replace arlene foster as well. >> and he's sent this letter to the party chairman confirming he's been charged with allegations of an historical nature. so we don't know exactly what that is referring to. but we know that this has been a quick decision. he's had to stand down. he's sent in his letter to the party chairman. they have now got a new interim party leader. who is mr gavin robinson mp . robinson mp. >> yeah. no, indeed. and also as well, you know, there's the issue which is that the dup, as catherine was saying, they, you know, prioritised christianity don't they. and to have an emergency meeting on good friday, it was obviously the whiff something was afoot. whiff that something was afoot. but we can take you much closer to the epicentre of this particular issue. now we're going dup going to go to the dup headquarters in belfast for this breaking with northern breaking news with our northern ireland reporter , dougie beattie ireland reporter, dougie beattie dougie, you very, dougie, thank you very, very much. the latest then ? much. what is the latest then? >> well, as you said, sir jeffrey donaldson has stood

down. that statement released, that there's a new interim leader in place and that is gavin robinson. he this is actually as well as dup headquarters this is his constituency office in east belfast. now why that's so important is that the dup are under political pressure here from the alliance party , in this from the alliance party, in this area. so gavin robinson could well lose his seat in the next election. when that happens as an mp. and that would leave the dup rudderless once again. of course, the party has been in some sort of civil war over the last 27 months. it started with, arlene foster having to go then edwin poots, who was on the paisleyite side of that party, the very right wing conservative side of that party took over. he only lasted a matter of days before sir jeffrey donaldson was put into place. and of course , put into place. and of course, since then we've had the protocol, the windsor framework document , the stormont agreement document, the stormont agreement that came and that stormont

agreement really came in with jeffrey donaldson leading the party and still a split party at that stage about going back into power in northern ireland. so these historical allegations that he refers to are actually creating much more political problems in northern ireland in, around the dup. and of course, if it comes to a general election, you won't forget that the dup actually backed theresa may's government, during that unsettling period for the tory party. and it could cause real problems if there's any sort of hung parliament inside westminster in these next year that's coming in town just as the at the easter weekend . the at the easter weekend. >> and this is very serious. >> and this is very serious. >> well, it is and i first heard about this yesterday, early yesterday morning , about this yesterday, early yesterday morning, i about this yesterday, early yesterday morning , i couldn't yesterday morning, i couldn't actually believe what i was hearing. and then tried to make

it stand up last night. and the party executive or the party officers had a meeting at about 10:30 this morning. they had that meeting the country , not that meeting up the country, not not in party headquarters, and decided release a statement decided to release a statement as opposed to putting someone in front of a camera, because, of course, if they had released that statement from stormont. jeffrey donaldson doesn't sit in stormont. he is an mp, sits stormont. he is an mp, he sits in westminster would have in westminster and it would have been by the rest of the been seen by the rest of the parties that sit there in that coalition government as maybe slightly unsettling them , and slightly unsettling to them, and we now have to wait to see what the court case will bring out. thatis the court case will bring out. that is due towards the end of april . april. >> yeah, i'll just reiterate as well. in a statement, the dup has said the party chairman has received a letter from sir jeffrey donaldson mp confirming that he's been charged with allegations of an historical nature and indicating that he is stepping down as leader of the democratic unionist party with immediate effect. dougie you mentioned that this will have

actually far reaching consequences for the politics in northern ireland. what could some consequences be? some of those consequences be? >> well, it will no doubt hit the dup's vote and the dup is very, very split at this moment in time over the stormont house or the stormont agreement that came after the protocol, after the windsor framework document. so you have other parties, the likes of the tuv starting to eat into their electoral base , as into their electoral base, as well as the alliance party, especially in this area here. and when these historical, allegations actually make their way to court, it could well play out very, very badly in the dups own camp and maybe split the party further. you have the likes of reform also looking at standing in northern ireland, and all of a sudden you have one unionist vote because don't forget, the is the largest forget, the dup is the largest unionist northern unionist party in northern ireland, to ireland, it will start to split and and that will drive

and fracture and that will drive them further on towards, a nationalist agenda inside northern ireland. >> are we expecting to hear further statements, perhaps political reaction from other quarters from the westminster government? leaders of other parties ? parties? >> i would doubt it at this stage when there is a case pending, especially on historical issues, most parties in . northern ireland, there is in. northern ireland, there is protection and anonymity for those that are involved in that. until the case actually begins. and of the mainstream and as members of the mainstream media, we really have to abide by those rules and make sure that that we are not saying anything that could bring us into disrepute with judges or in courts. but on social media this morning, it is there is lots of speculation rolling about , but speculation rolling about, but we cannot go near that until that court case begins. >> no. absolutely not. look,

dougie, thank you very, very much. we will obviously be going back with more back to dougie with more information on if and when we get it. but again, just to reiterate , there's dougie reiterate, there's dougie beattie on northern ireland. reporter outside the dup headquarters. the breaking news this hour happening right now is that the party chairman has received a letter from sir jeffrey donaldson mp, confirming that he's been charged with allegations of an historical nature and indicating that he is stepping down as leader of the democratic unionist party with immediate effect. yeah it was good friday and it was very unlike there to be an emergency meeting, especially with the dup in northern so we had in northern ireland. so we had a little something , that little whiff of something, that something was wrong. it's never a quiet day in politics. it's never a quiet day, never a quiet day, when it's good friday. day, even when it's good friday. >> course, we'll >> but of course, we'll be bringing updates. bringing you any updates. as patrick when we patrick says, if and when we hear but after the break, hear them, but after the break, we're going to have a little change of gear. >> yeah, this has got >> yeah, well, this has got a lot of you going the inbox, lot of you going in the inbox, actually, a of a are actually, a heck of a lot. are you it's whether

you going? it's about whether or not should for not parents should be fined for bad behaviour. not parents should be fined for bad behachildren's bad behaviour. >> yeah. not for their own. we could probably them for could probably find them for their actually, their own as well. actually, parents yeah, parents behaving badly but yeah, for behaviour. for their kids bad behaviour. >> well if, if their >> all that well if, if their kids are out feral why are poorly children poorly behaved children society's and not ours? society's problem and not ours? >> they always bang on don't they. oh well, if only they had a youth club. look, a ping pong table, library library . table, a library and a library. it's not going to change the fact kid is walking fact that that kid is walking around a machete. around there with a machete. all right.

tick. >> well, it's coming up to 123 in the afternoon. you're watching and listening to. good afternoon , britain. now, this is afternoon, britain. now, this is the debate we have been teasing all show, and we're going to get to it. the question is, should parents be fined for their children's bad or appalling behaviour? >> yeah. so this seems to be the question that everyone is asking

today. why is it reared its head today. why is it reared its head today ? well, if you're watching today? well, if you're watching us on television, be us on television, you will be seeing let's just call seeing clips of let's just call them hordes of hundreds seeing clips of let's just call th yes, they are children after all. well, joining us to debate

this is mother of two sally mitchell, who believes parents are not to blame , and our are not to blame, and our presenter martin daubney, who is also a parent who thinks parents should be fined. they are to blame. so who should we blame. okay so who should we start with here, let's start with sally. sally, why on earth do you not think parents are to blame, i think parents get the blame, i think parents get the blame for an awful lot of things. >> and i don't know how old martin's children are, but mine are pretty much grown now , and are pretty much grown now, and i've seen every single phase. and one thing i know is that you can lead by example , but once can lead by example, but once they start moving away from your apron strings and getting to school, particularly secondary school, particularly secondary school, their peers and social media become , almost more media become, almost more important and that can really affect the control, if you like that, you have over them. there is nothing more stubborn or adamant than a teenager who thinks they know better. >> i mean, sally, i used to want to go to, house parties. i used

to go to, house parties. i used to want go out late at night. to want to go out late at night. iused to want to go out late at night. i used to want to do x, y, and z, i used to want to do x, y, and z, and my mum literally just said no. and and that was it. no, i would cry , i would wail, i no, i would cry, i would wail, i would, you know, shout and kick my feet. but no meant no sally. no clearly doesn't mean no anymore. >> i don't think it does, i think parents have a really hard time these days. i remember those days as well, you know, no meant no. and also, i didn't have the wherewithal to sort of challenge it, you know, there was no , public transport if i was no, public transport if i wanted to go anywhere. i lived very remotely . i needed someone very remotely. i needed someone to drive me. they said, you to drive me. they said, no, you don't go. that's just don't do it. but now it's slightly more complicated, i think the family dynamic. >> but they might do it once. i mean, martin, i'll throw it to you on this . all right. with you on this. all right. with respect, we're not talking about house parties here. we're talking criminal damage. talking about criminal damage. we're talking about even people firing at police firing fireworks at police officers. we're talking about people each other in

people stabbing each other in the street. and, you know, people, kids in school uniform might decide to gatecrash a shopping centre martin, shopping centre once, martin, but once they get filmed and put out there and the parents give them round the year, they them a clip round the year, they shouldn't the shouldn't do it again. isn't the problem. the that they are problem. the fact that they are continually problem. the fact that they are conyeah,ly problem. the fact that they are conyeah, the need to >> yeah, the parents need to carry the can for this. this toxic combination of an entitled generation law and order that treats them with kid gloves, kids that know they've got the power in the classroom, they know they've got the power in shopping centres, and parents who feckless or ignorant to who are feckless or ignorant to what up simply what they're up to. simply washing their hands of it. so no, it's not my fault. it's the fault of social media, is it hackers? like i sat down with my two today. i've got 14 year two kids today. i've got 14 year old year old and old and a ten year old and i showed them this video . i went, showed them this video. i went, behold, don't be like behold, morons, don't be like these kids because this kind of bad behaviour, it's contagious. it starts in the classroom. they think it's cool. they copy each other. there needs to be a grown up in this conversation and we're not our children's friends . we're not our we're not their

.we're not our we're not their mates. we're the we are their disciplinary organs. and it begins at home. and this stimulus actually can be turned into a learning moment because these are the kids that that poisoned classrooms and make them underachieve . and it's them all underachieve. and it's because they're driven by narcissism, by the desire for social media likes. meanwhile, their education is going up in smoke because society is tolerating this absolutely abhorrent behaviour. >> sally, what if it's repeat behaviour? okay, so i think people are maybe quite willing to accept that kids might get caught up in a moment once or twice or something like that, but what if you've got a repeat child offender here? do you think it would have any impact whatsoever if they said, look, if you keep doing this, your mum is going to go to prison? >> yeah . you would think that >> yeah. you would think that would be a deterrent. and i hope in most cases that that would be and it would make the parents who are not as vigilant who perhaps are not as vigilant on their parenting, up and

on their parenting, sit up and take notice and do something about it, i think it's really, really difficult. i heard on one of the videos the comments from someone filming were, oh, look, they've they've touched him. they know they can't do that now. they're in trouble talking to the security about the security guards. so i think authority figures have their hands tied. i'm amazed at the police are able to get there, to be honest. because frankly, if you phone up and report anything, they don't turn up these that was a good these days, so that was a good thing, yeah, fining thing, but yeah, like fining for, you know, taking absence from school is it can be a deterrent. i would hope it would be. i mean, you have to accept that there are some children out there who are just problems. >> yeah, just problem children. i mean, martin, to be fair, parenting isn't easy. perhaps it's particularly difficult in some ways. in some ways with the social media, with that sort of heard mentality. if you're a parent and you're you work, you know, long shifts, you're not

always able to be around your child. you're not always able to be there to discipline immediately. can you see that? actually, sometimes it's not always the parents fault. it could be, you know, the other kids . kids. >> well, of course it can be other, other factors. but ultimately the responsibility of every parent is their children's actions. and that's why we need we need us to be the part of their brain that isn't fully developed yet. children take risks. they make decisions . risks. they make bad decisions. it's called growing up. but there needs to be an intervention from sensible people, from adults, parents who care . and maybe that's the care. and maybe that's the problem. maybe these parents don't care . maybe these parents don't care. maybe these parents are just 2020 year old. >> you find them, martin. >> you find them, martin. >> these kids we see on the streets. >> martin, how much would you find the parents? >> £60 a pop, £60 a pop. >> £60 a pop, £60 a pop. >> £60 a pop, £60 a pop. >> £60 go. >> £60 a go. »- >> £60 a go. >> let's let's start with that. >> let's let's start with that. >> the bat , i love >> straight off the bat, i love it, love it, martin. good it, i love it, martin. good luck. but i'll just luck. i mean, but i'll just stick with you, martin. we'll go. we'll go you, sally,

go. we'll go back to you, sally, on is there on this. martin is there a bigger conversation be had bigger conversation to be had here breakdown ? here about societal breakdown? maybe the breakdown of the nuclear family? obviously, there's you know , there's no way of us, you know, being able to prove anything from clips. but from any of these clips. but i know an issue with know there is an issue with things fatherless homes, know there is an issue with thirexample,itherless homes, know there is an issue with thirexample, that ess homes, know there is an issue with thirexample, that ess honcan for example, that i know can have impact children's have an impact on children's behaviours. do you think there's a context here? a wider context here? >> 100. i did a a wider context here? >>100. i did a lot of a wider context here? >> 100. i did a lot of work on >>100. i did a lot of work on this before i got drawn into politics, and 85% of young men in jail grew up in fatherless homes, 95% of boys in gangs grew up in fatherless homes. so they're looking for toxic father figures . they're looking for figures. they're looking for easy solutions. they don't want to do the hard yards, the hard work. they want a shortcut. and that means crime. that increasingly means crime. and then we have a policing system doesn't stop and system which doesn't stop and search because they're too afraid racist, afraid to be called racist, shoplifting de facto shoplifting is de facto decriminalised for under £200. it's the opposite of a broken windows policy. in new york. we are creating broken children by mollycoddling and not mollycoddling them and not giving them a disciplinary framework. the result is what we saw in this video. >> where to you? are parents

trying to be their children's friends? is that the problem ? friends? is that the problem? >> me? yeah, yes. i think that is a problem. actually, i've never wanted to be my children's friends. they've got enough friends, but yeah, that that does happen, a lot. and i think sometimes it's because it's the it's the easy option , being the it's the easy option, being the disciplinarian, being the one who's who sets boundaries is hard . you know, there's a lot of hard. you know, there's a lot of pushback, and to keep it going is, is one of the hardest parts of parenting to keep it keep being consistent. consistency is key, but with milton keynes, you know, this. i mean, how alarming must it have been for to be in that position with hordes of, you know, screaming children, hormone raging, running around? i mean, i would have been so scared . and i do feel for scared. and i do feel for everybody who was caught, caught up in it . and interestingly, we up in it. and interestingly, we don't think milton as don't think of milton keynes as far know , as, you know, a far as i know, as, you know, a depnved far as i know, as, you know, a

deprived area. so what were they doing ? doing? >> all right. well, well, look, both of you, thank you very, very much. we're going to continue to talk about this. i am a sick and tired of am a bit sick and tired of parenting being somebody else's fault. have fault. you know, i don't have children yet, but one of the considerations is that, you know, lot of work. and if know, it's a lot of work. and if you can't be bothered to necessarily then necessarily do that work, then maybe, just maybe, maybe don't do it just quickly. what? do you quickly. martin. what? do you know on your show quickly. martin. what? do you know because on your show quickly. martin. what? do you know because you'll] your show quickly. martin. what? do you know because you'll be>ur show quickly. martin. what? do you know because you'll be on show later? because you'll be on three mate? three till six, won't you, mate? >> yeah, definitely. covering this well. i've had this story as well. i've had loads and loads and loads of emails from people who live in milton keynes who are saying this happened. ten years this never happened. ten years ago. keynes changed. ago. milton keynes has changed. it's overspill for it's become an overspill for damaged parts of london, a dumping ground for social problems, just like we see on the seaside towns. bad policies, failed liberal policies becoming the problems of towns like milton keynes. parents telling me they're scrimping and saving to send their kids to private schools get them away from schools to get them away from children this. families children like this. families who don't abandon by society.

don't care, abandon by society. this video is symptomatic of what's going on all across britain. >> well, thank you very much. martin daubney three till six. and sally mitchell, thank you very much for joining us for that stuff. very that debate. good stuff. very interesting keep interesting indeed. now keep your coming in that. your views coming in on that. we will some very will get to some more very shortly . lots of stuff. but, shortly. lots of stuff. but, remember tavistock remember the tavistock clinic? the , controversially, the clinic, controversially, giving and things to , giving hormones and things to, to young people. well, it's closing for good this weekend, but what does that actually mean? will actually change mean? will that actually change the treatment for children who are gender dysphoric ? are gender dysphoric? >> yes. so this is this is all about whether or not kids should be able to have, you know, genden be able to have, you know, gender, puberty blocking treatment. and one of the leading clinics that was doing that appears to be closing. but will it stop it? but now, will it stop it? but right now, it's headlines sofia. it's your headlines with sofia. >> thanks, patrick. it's 134. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . your headlines, sir newsroom. your headlines, sir jeffrey donaldson has stepped

down as leader of the democratic unionist party after he was charged with allegations of a historical nature. the dup has also suspended mr donaldson from membership pending the outcome of the judicial process, which they say is in accordance with party rules. they've now appointed gavin robinson as interim leader. sirjeffrey was elected to parliament in 1997 and is the longest serving mp in northern ireland. one of the conservative party's major donors has received a knighthood as part of a surprise honours list from rishi sunak mohamed mansour sir gave £5 million to the tories last year and is a senior treasurer for the party. he was knighted for what's described as services to business, charity and politics. it's a 19 year old man, has been charged with attempted murder and possession of an offensive weapon after a stabbing on a train on wednesday. rakeem thomas has been remanded into custody. he will appear at wimbledon magistrates court. police said earlier that the

alleged victim, who was in his 20s, was in a critical but stable condition in hospital and police are appealing for their help to find the a man suspected of raping two women in london in separate incidents four years apart. the first attack took place in westminster in 2018, followed by another incident in shoreditch in 2022. the met has released an e—fit image , and released an e—fit image, and they're asking anyone who thinks they're asking anyone who thinks they may have any information to come forward to police or crime stoppers . and for the latest stoppers. and for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts

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139. in the afternoon. now. the tavistock gender identity development service is finally closing for good this weekend , closing for good this weekend, two years after a damning report highlighted major concerns. >> well, our reporter, ray addison joins us from outside this clinic in north london. ray incredibly controversial. this topic and this clinic. obviously, we're not afraid to get stuck in and talk about it. so take it away. what's going on? >> well, a real mix of views. as you said, it's very much a controversial issue and it has been for many, many years now. so of emotions as so a real range of emotions as this clinic finally closes, of course, you've got those who think that it was providing an essential service to young people desperate to change their genden people desperate to change their gender, and others who claim that it was consumed by an ideology which overrode the need for proper medical ethics and standards . i for proper medical ethics and standards. i mean, what we do know from that most recent

interim cas report is that children have been receiving these life changing puberty blockers and hormone treatments instead of psychological treatment, which could have explored other options. and of course, if they'd gone down that road, then maybe some young people and certainly plenty of young people out there who say that they wouldn't have then ultimately changed their gender and their and changed their their bodies forever . now, and changed their their bodies forever. now, many of and changed their their bodies forever . now, many of the people forever. now, many of the people that worked there did, blow the whistle. they, they raised repeated warnings over many years. i spoke to the very first whistleblower, sue evans raised her concerns back in 2005. and i asked her, with this closure now, are children safer ? now, are children safer? >> so the question about whether children are safer now has closed, i think is still up for review, because i think we don't know how the new services are going to develop , and, and i'm

going to develop, and, and i'm hoping that they follow cas, in much more detail, but i've heard from a member of staff who has been involved with one of the developing services. so in you know, the think tanks around getting the services up and running , and they did say to me running, and they did say to me that that there is a worrying , that that there is a worrying, atmosphere still of affirmation and that the caution that cas review has asked for is, is still sort of seen as, perhaps transphobic or not. the desired attitudes . attitudes. >> well, some people will be surprised that it's obviously been 19 years since these concerns were first raised by sue. since then, we've seen a number of reports, obviously the one we've all heard about is this cas report. however there was two other reports which were essentially buried and hidden from the public. and shocking

indictment of this service that was provided here by medical experts who've reviewed the processes and just said it just wasn't really acceptable . there wasn't really acceptable. there wasn't really acceptable. there was no safety measures and there was no safety measures and there was no safety measures and there was no tracking to see what happens to the people that we treat as they continue with their lives. what what changes do they undergo and whether they regret it, the processes and the changes that they've been through . as of now, there's through. as of now, there's about 15,000 people on the waiting list to have their first appointment for gender treatment. so they'll have to rely on this new regional service . service. >> thank you very much indeed, ray addison, for bringing us that outside the tavistock centre london. i think centre in north london. i think what ray said there really summed it up. it was whistleblowers coming out to say that instead providing that instead of providing therapy and holistic care for children who are having difficulties with their gender and their body, and not and with their body, and not feeling were in and with their body, and not feelright were in and with their body, and not feelright one, were in and with their body, and not feelright one, they ere in and with their body, and not feelright one, they were in and with their body, and not feelright one, they were pushed the right one, they were pushed towards the affirmation route and pushed towards life changing

treatments . and there will be treatments. and there will be lots of children. this may happen more in the future for young people coming out and saying, know what? this saying, you know what? this clinic, these clinicians didn't treat me how i should have been done and my life would have looked a whole lot different, perhaps if i'd had a different type of support. >> amazing , type of support. >> amazing, isn't it? >> it's amazing, isn't it? you've essentially you've got essentially a hospital would hospital there, which would appear dedicated to the appear to be dedicated to the removal biological and removal of biological and medical fact. remarkable. and then it was allowed to carry on for so long that there were warnings. and we saw, did we not, of mafia style not, a lot of mafia style tactics from individuals who were think this were saying, look, i think this is actually quite bad being hounded piled on by people hounded and piled on by people onune hounded and piled on by people online threats etc. online and threats etc. obviously coming directly obviously not coming directly from people at the tavistock clinic. but you know, the kind of people online i'm talking about, know, will children of people online i'm talking abot be know, will children of people online i'm talking abot be saferiow, will children of people online i'm talking abot be safer as/, will children of people online i'm talking abot be safer as awill children of people online i'm talking abotbe safer as a result|ildren of people online i'm talking abot be safer as a result of ren of people online i'm talking abotbe safer as a result of not now be safer as a result of not having a centre where they go and get because people will go elsewhere? >> is it this is it, private clinics i don't believe are going be this is just going to be banned. this is just nhs who have been looking at the ban on puberty blockers for

those age of 18. those under the age of 18. >> not think it comes >> do you not think it comes back parents can? we back down to parents can? we spoke about parents today. spoke a lot about parents today. i'll shortly i'll get to your email shortly on kids but if on the unruly kids topic, but if you are a parent and you have a three or 4 or 5 year old child and that is, you know , you think and that is, you know, you think you're desperate for that child to change age, their gender, i just wonder whether or not that's because you want to make your child more interesting than they are , and to seem special, they are, and to seem special, it might be narcissism to it. >> it might be parents who i mean, i was listening to a parent talk about this who had a child, and she sort of went through this kind of exploration of the gender dysphoria with her child, and she said was child, and she said she was being encouraged by, by, you know, people online who were talking children talking about children with gender and how you can gender dysphoria and how you can help and don't help help them. and if you don't help them, you're an awful them, then you're an awful parent. you don't help parent. and if you don't help them, become them, they could become suicidal. cetera. suicidal. et cetera. et cetera. et conversation et cetera. but the conversation around affirm around whether you should affirm your child's gender dysphoria, i.e, if your child comes to you

and , you know what, i think and says, you know what, i think i'm when they're actually i'm a boy when they're actually biologically a girl, and you say, okay, then, and you push them you know, you them down, that, you know, you support through that. what them down, that, you know, you sltheyt through that. what them down, that, you know, you slthey change hrough that. what them down, that, you know, you slthey change theirih that. what them down, that, you know, you slthey change their mind? what if they change their mind? you know, very difficult if they change their mind? you know, butzry difficult if they change their mind? you know, butzry di getrlt if they change their mind? you know, butzry diget to some. indeed. but let's get to some. let what make of let us know what you make of that, course. got that, of course. but, we've got some views in. one was some views coming in. one was very from joe. she very interesting from joe. she says. last week i had something stolen from my front garden by three ring cameras three boys. i have ring cameras so all posted it so picked it all up. posted it on local facebook group with on my local facebook group with the later, she the pictures. an hour later, she says, i had a knock on the door. it the parents of the it was the parents of one of the boys for what had boys apologising for what had happened and bringing the item back with the child, she says that's good parenting and i hope those boys have learned their lesson. she says great to see you together. happy you both on together. happy easter. very you both on together. happy easter. thanks, very you both on together. happy easter. thanks, joe. very much. thanks, joe. >> happy joe. >> yeah, happy easter joe. >> yeah, happy easter joe. >> how it should go. >> that's how it should go. >> that's how it should go. >> that how should go. >> but that is how it should go. and know, one of the things and you know, one of the things that it that when i was at school, it may shock you to that may shock you to know that i wasn't necessarily the wasn't always necessarily the best used be best behaved. and i used to be absolutely best behaved. and i used to be absolior ly best behaved. and i used to be absolior dad's phone would go off mum or dad's phone would go off and it'd be the school, and i'd have known that i'd been doing

something that day that i shouldn't doing. shouldn't have been doing. i knew were going to knew the school were going to call and as soon i call them, and as soon as i phone go, i'd it. i'd get phone go, i'd like it. i'd get out of there because actually i was not that my was more afraid not that my parents did to me, parents ever did anything to me, but more afraid of their but i was more afraid of their disappointment but i was more afraid of their disapthattment but i was more afraid of their disapthat conversation, etc. have that conversation, etc. then the teachers then i probably was the teachers . that's clearly not the case anymore, is it? with a lot of these , children should these kids, children should not be near be allowed anywhere near smartphones. social smartphones. it's all social media's fault, says virginia. that have text that should only have text phones. they are obsessed with it, spreading violence and disrespect with no sense of responsibility. >> i think is how the >> i think this is how the police out about what was police found out about what was going to take place oxford going to take place in oxford circus. that looting circus. with all that looting and all and basically rioting of all those running central those kids running down central london. it had all been organised on social media, you know, snapchat and know, it was all snapchat and instagram saying, you know, we're meeting lads, we're all meeting up here, lads, let's got a funny girls to its >> i've got a funny girls to its girls to look. roy's been on. i think this might be joke, roy, think this might be a joke, roy, but sure. children being but i'm not sure. children being undisciplined started a long time eldest grandson time ago. my eldest grandson was a lovely lad until he was 13. then he was given a talk at

school about children's rights, and he's been virtually. he's been virtually uncontrollable ever since. >> children do talk about their human rights quite a lot. there was definitely a phase that's against my human rights myth. yeah you can't tell me to, you know, go queue up over there or wear my tie properly . wear my tie properly. >> get to my room and you >> if you get to my room and you behave human, then behave like a proper human, then you how about you get more rights. how about that? but anyway, coming up, coming up. easter coming up, coming up. easter getaway. dry. is it? getaway. hell with dry. is it? sorry. dry? is it hell? sorry. is it dry? is it hell? we'll find out with drivers in three hour queues and airlines cancelling flights. normal cancelling 400 flights. normal day up straight day at ryanair. sit up straight the have the the latest. we'll have the latest with travel guru simon calder. this .

break. >> well, it's 151. travel. hell.

or is it ? drivers >> well, it's 151. travel. hell. or is it? drivers up and down the country are on the move today. 18.5 million drivers expected to take to the roads this weekend. as the easter getaways begin . getaways begin. >> strong winds will also be impacting journeys as storm nelson has arrived in london and the south—east, with gusts of 50 miles an hour. >> it's not a storm that the windows were rattling last night. i'll tell you. but fear not to give you the best not here to give you the best advice business is travel advice in the business is travel journalist broadcaster simon journalist and broadcaster simon calder. simon, always an absolute pleasure. are you absolute pleasure. what are you doing at manchester international? >> know, there ? >> you know, is there? >> you know, is there? >> well good afternoon. yes. very nice to see you. and i've been basically seeing how britain's third busiest airport, after gatwick and heathrow , is after gatwick and heathrow, is shaping up in competition against the rest of them. and in the face of having the busiest easter in its history. yeah, more people travelling out between good friday and easter monday than ever before. 320,000

of them from this airport alone. and of course, that assumes you can get to the actual airport and you're not going to be held up in traffic. lots and lots of cars around, and that's causing many problems in various parts of the country. and, well, on the railways , we know that the railways, we know that things like the west coast main line are going to be closed between milton keynes and london, which means that effectively, the capital is cut off from birmingham, from north—west england , from north—west england, from southern scotland. we knew about that. what we didn't know was that. what we didn't know was that actually devon and cornwall are going to very difficult are going to be very difficult to reach because there's flooding in wiltshire as a result of that, there's no trains on the main line, which runs from london paddington via reading to exeter and onwards into cornwall . into cornwall. >> yes, now an absolute shocker, obviously, and some, some winds, some strong winds of 50 whole miles an hour, which means we have to shut everything down

some doesn't it. i mean, oh my gosh, i'm sure there are people right you know. and then in right now, you know. and then in tornado season all tornado and hurricane season all over the world, they're just really praying for us that we can survive these 50 mile an hour winds. simon can i ask you something? look, you're at manchester airport manchester international airport there. holiday there. it's coming up to holiday season, it? could argue season, isn't it? we could argue we're season. we're in holiday season. you're very good. at knowing. very good. usually at knowing. where for where are some hidden gems for people to go away. i'm sick of the doom and gloom about. there's traffic on the there's too much traffic on the roads. simon, where roads. come on, simon, where can we all of this? we go to escape all of this? >> well, afraid the only >> well, i'm afraid the only place sensibly go is place you can sensibly go is albania. and that's because we've just seen flights launched from here in, from birmingham and from bristol, to tirana , the and from bristol, to tirana, the capital of albania. the fares are now looking pretty good. and so therefore, if you want some aid pritt stick sunshine and bearin aid pritt stick sunshine and bear in mind, this is a place just just across from corfu. really. so it's absolutely lovely, really friendly , really lovely, really friendly, really inexpensive when you get there. but everywhere else i've just been looking. if you wanted to

get, instance, from get, for instance, from manchester this manchester to ali kadi this weekend, all but two of the easyjet flights are sold out. and if you want to go on monday, that's going to cost you £335 one way. and that doesn't include your luggage. >> well , include your luggage. >> well, albania it is. >> well, albania it is. >> never thought of that as a houday >> never thought of that as a holiday destination for myself. but you know, why not? why not? simon thank you very much for doing a stint for us from manchester international. >> good luck you today. all >> good luck to you today. all right. look. yes, loads right. well look. yes, loads coming away in the next hour i'll bring the latest on dup i'll bring you the latest on dup leader, sir jeffrey donaldson. apparent suspension . more apparent suspension. more details on that. stay tuned . details on that. stay tuned. >> for a brighter outlook with boxt solar , the sponsors of boxt solar, the sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there. welcome to your

latest gb news weather forecast from the met office. well, this easter weekend for many of us we will see some sunshine, but there be some rain there will still be some rain around. this will courtesy of this pressure. it's this area of low pressure. it's going to hang around for the long with wind long weekend, but with wind coming in from the south, it should little bit less should feel a little bit less cold it has been of late. cold than it has been of late. so for the rest of good friday showers becoming increasingly restricted and restricted to more western and northern parts of the country, central and eastern parts turning dry overnight, we could just see a few misty patches come dawn and also a touch of ground frost, with temperatures falling to about 3 to 4 falling down to about 3 to 4 degrees. where we do see the degrees. but where we do see the chilly conditions, first thing saturday morning we will see some sunshine .just saturday morning we will see some sunshine . just keeping saturday morning we will see some sunshine .just keeping an some sunshine. just keeping an eye on this area of rain. it could just fringe the far east of east anglia for a time, but i think for most us really, think for most of us really, it's to be a day sunny it's going to be a day of sunny spells showers, spells and a few showers, showers a little bit fewer and further between compared to today with the main focus across parts northern parts of scotland and northern ireland. in the sunshine ireland. but in the sunshine feeling pleasant enough, highs reaching 15

reaching around 14 or 15 degrees. then looking ahead to easter day again, another day of sunny spells and showers. showers probably again restricted to northern ireland with fewer and further showers the further east you go in the sunshine feeling pleasantly warm , highs reaching around 16 degrees and then looking ahead to easter monday , it looks like to easter monday, it looks like another band of rain moving up from the south. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, sponsors of weather on

gb news. way. >> good afternoon. britain. it's 2:00 on friday, the 29th of march. breaking news. >> in the last hour, sir jeffrey donaldson resigned as democratic unionist party leader. we will bnng unionist party leader. we will bring you the latest live from belfast and sunak allegedly

refused to discuss mass immigration with his own immigration with his own immigration minister, got working class tories switching to reform. >> has the prime minister all but given up? and how long can keir starmer stand by his deputy, angela rayner? the clock is ticking. >> well, it certainly is. now why can't men have their own spaces? what's wrong with it? okay, woke feminists are protesting garrick protesting outside the garrick club demanding that it lets women in. hang on a minute. women in. but hang on a minute. is this really all that feminists about in feminists have to worry about in the year 2024? can't they leave men alone? are you a fan of eurovision? are you a fan of eurovision? >> no , not particularly, but i >> no, not particularly, but i enjoy that other people enjoy it . right. >> well, our entry seriously . >> well, our entry seriously. olly alexander is now facing calls to boycott eurovision because israel are in it. okay? and he has been getting a big

backlash from certain sections of the lgbtq+ community, saying, you've got to show solidarity. you've got to show solidarity with the people of gaza. anyway, he's been on the defensive today. queers for palestine. yep. sent him a direct message. he said, look, i wholeheartedly support the action being taken to demand an immediate and permanent ceasefire. basically, there is a massive, massive backlash to our eurovision entry at what is, let's be honest, an event that's very prominent amongst the lgbtq+ community or aversion. that's fair to say. showing solidarity. okay with the people of gaza, when in reality israel is the only the only part of the middle east where there are anything like gay rights, aren't there? >> well, you know what? i almost feel for these of feel sorry for these types of p0p feel sorry for these types of pop because almost pop stars because they're almost forced taking political forced into taking political positions. i mean, if you look at pop stars on, you know, at some pop stars on, you know, instagram, tiktok, whatever social media platform, they're harassed to take a position on

everything from the middle east to black lives matter to the tories illegal immigration policy and then when they do, they inevitably stick their foot in it. they don't quite understand. always the politics around these things and they get absolutely stuck. but yes, i do understand your point about the slighter. that's just it's ridiculous. the inconsistency the queers for palestine message i >> members of the lgbtq+ community want to us boycott a eurovision thing, because the only place with gay rights, really in the middle east, is actually attending . i find it actually attending. i find it absolutely remarkable. i bet you my bottom dollar that olly alexander will either pull out or there'll be a massive palestinian flag at some point dunng palestinian flag at some point during his performance. anyway, all of this to come and much more your headlines with more after your headlines with sofia. >> thanks, patrick. good afternoon . it's 2:01. i'm sophia afternoon. it's 2:01. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . sir wenzler in the gb newsroom. sir jeffrey donaldson has stepped

down as leader of the democratic unionist party after he was charged with sex offences of a historical nature. the dup has also suspended mr donaldson from membership pending the outcome of the judicial process, which they say is in accordance with they say is in accordance with the party rules. they've now appointed. gavin robinson as interim leader. the 57 year old woman has been charged with aiding and abetting additional offences in relation to the same police investigation. sir jeffrey was elected to parliament in 1997 and is the longest serving mp in northern ireland. one of the conservative party's major donors has received a knighthood as part of a surprise honours list from rishi sunak. mohamed mansour gave £5 million to the tories last year and is a senior treasurer for the party. he was knighted for what's described as services to business, charity and politics. other recipients include mp philip davies, who is also a former presenter on this network. the timings of the list

is unusual, coming while parliament is in recess and on the eve of the easter bank houday the eve of the easter bank holiday weekend, we asked people in hull what they think of the tory mps receiving honours . tory mps receiving honours. >> i think much of anything, 1 or 2 of them most probably try. but to me majority of mps are like bananas bunch together, they're all yellow. there's not a straight one among them, but it's self—serving, isn't it ? it's self—serving, isn't it? >> i mean, these people reward themselves for. for what? i don't quite understand . i don't don't quite understand. i don't get it. >> it's just a con, really. you know , it's just, they give the know, it's just, they give the concepts of the labour party money for they want favours in return. so this is this is the problem . problem. >> documents have revealed that the post office was aware of errors in its horizon it system, despite bosses proceeding with prosecutions . more than 900 prosecutions. more than 900 subpostmasters were wrongly prosecuted due to supposed losses flagged by a faulty

computer system . a draft report computer system. a draft report carried out by deloitte was commissioned by the post office in 2016. it shows that top managers knew that financial discrepancies may not be the fault of subpostmasters, but continued to fight them in court regardless. a spokesperson for the post office says it remains fully focused on supporting the inquiry . a 19 year old man has inquiry. a 19 year old man has been charged with attempted murder and possession of an offensive weapon after a stabbing on a train on wednesday. rakeem thomas has been remanded into custody. he'll appear at wimbledon magistrates court it's after an incident between beckenham junction and shortlands train stations. the alleged victim, who was in his 20s, was taken to hospital where police said earlier that he was in a critical but stable condition . critical but stable condition. police are appealing for help in their search for a man suspected of raping two women in london in separate incidents four years apart. the first attack took place in westminster in 2018,

followed by another incident in shoreditch in 2022. the offences were being investigated as separate crimes, but forensic work helped draw a link between them. the met has released an e—fit image and anyone who thinks they may have information is urged to contact police or crime stoppers . in other news, crime stoppers. in other news, the task of clearing baltimore's port will take considerable time after president biden committed $60 million to rebuilding the collapsed bridge. it's after a cargo ship crashed into one of the key bridge's foundations on tuesday. the enormous wreckage remains in the port, with the ship measuring about as long as the eiffel tower, maryland's governor, wes moore, says they're facing an incredibly complex job to reopen the port. and in case your easter weekend isn't quite sweet enough , jerry isn't quite sweet enough, jerry seinfeld is to star in a new film about the origin of the pop tart. the legendary sitcom actor is also making his debut as a director in the story of how two rival cereal companies raced to

create a pastry that would apparently change the face of breakfast. it's a dream project for the comedian, who says he's been working on the story for several years. unfrosted, the pop tart story also features hugh grant and melissa mccarthy , hugh grant and melissa mccarthy, and premiere on netflix on and will premiere on netflix on the 3rd of may. and for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts now it's back to patrick and . back to patrick and. emily. >> well, it's 207. you're watching and listening to. good afternoon britain. now, we broke the news a little bit earlier that sir jeffrey donaldson has quit as the leader of the democratic party after democratic unionist party after being with historical being charged with historical sex a sex offences. now, in a statement, the dup said the party chairman has received a letter from sirjeffrey letter from sir jeffrey donaldson mp confirming that he has with has been charged with allegations of an historical nature and indicating that he is stepping down as leader of the

democratic unionist party with immediate effect . immediate effect. >> in accordance with the party rules, offices have rules, the party offices have suspended mr donaldson from membership pending the outcome of a judicial process. well, this is obviously massive news that will have far reaching implications not just in belfast, in northern belfast, not just in northern ireland, but for the wider political sphere as well. let's take you live now to the dup headquarters in belfast for our northern ireland reporter dougie beattie dougie. a huge story this. take us through it. please >> yes. well, sir jeffrey donaldson has been quite a massive political figure , not massive political figure, not just in northern ireland, as you said, the whole way through britain. in fact, he was, backing theresa backing up theresa may's government that, period government during that, period when she had to have a coalition of sorts. and he has been really in the middle of politics for the last 26, 27 years, in fact, near enough 26 years ago, from the day he resigned from the ulster unionist party and joined

the democratic unionist party, as as he opposed the then good friday agreement. now, in that time, he has achieved quite a lot. he's been an mp and now he was the leader of the democratic unionist party, the largest unionist party in northern ireland. and of course , these ireland. and of course, these historical sexual, accusations have came out of have came out, he was arrested yesterday morning around about 6:00 in the morning. and, there he this morning. and, there he this morning we have had an emergency meeting of the democratic unionist party officers. it was held outside belfast up towards the lurgan direction. and those officers have put in place, these measures to make sure that he is suspended from the party. he is no longer the leader and effectively sits now as an independent mp. but this will cause problems for people such as gareth robinson, whose constituency offices in behind

us, the now interim leader, because of course he sits in a very narrow, area of voting here in east belfast. and of course, if there's an election called sooner rather than later, well, that could cause, gareth robinson to also lose his seat. sir jeffrey has been, charged , sir jeffrey has been, charged, and he will be brought to court, within the next month. and there and only then can we really go into the detail of what has gone on here. >> now . indeed. and what could >> now. indeed. and what could the consequences be here for northern ireland, for the british political landscape? zigi >> well, having such a big figure in northern ireland, and indeed, as i've said in westminster, to be accused of this and indeed charged, is seismic because of course, the reputation of the party is also based upon the reputation of the leader and the democratic unionist party is a very conservative party full of

churchgoers and those that believe , in a certain way of believe, in a certain way of life. and of course, now you can imagine that, that politically, i don't think any of the other political parties will make hay out of this. i doubt that will be an option. but of course, there will be questions now around why jeffrey donaldson got to this point of the party, and how was it kept from the party at that stage? i knew talking to senior members of the party this morning, indeed . last night, morning, indeed. last night, when i was trying to stand the story up that that most of them were completely shocked. i mean, he to , go to a he was due to, go to a breakfast, event yesterday morning. he didn't arrive there. and only when i had questioned one of the people that were going there did penny going to be there did the penny drop with them, that this this was the case. jeffrey was indeed the case. jeffrey donaldson has always been seen as and conservative as very safe and conservative pair of hands, not just inside northern ireland, but inside british parliament. and he has

been involved in those negotiations that brought stormont, of course, back after those two years down because of the opposition to the protocol , the opposition to the protocol, the opposition to the protocol, the framework document. and already i'm just noticing that there is questions being asked on that. so it may actually through stormont, back into some sort of flux at this moment. >> well, thank you very much indeed. dougie beattie there on northern reporter who northern ireland reporter who is in well, northern ireland reporter who is in well , in northern ireland reporter who is in well, in other political >> well, in other political news, a new damning poll for the party suggests that reform uk is now more popular than the conservatives among working class the people who class voters. so the people who were so critical to boris johnson winning a stonking majority in 2019, so it looks as though working class are though the working class are deserting rishi sunak. you know, you put public school head boy you put a public school head boy in charleton quite a few to the reform party. >> it seems. well, this comes, of course, as a row over the sale angela rayner's council sale of angela rayner's council house continues to house a decade ago continues to heat up, causing trouble for the labour course, the

labour party. of course, the deputy leader continues to deny any sheis deputy leader continues to deny any she is still any wrongdoing, but she is still refusing to publish the personal tax advice she received over the sale of one of her homes. >> well, for more on these big stories now we can go to gb news. political correspondent katherine forster. catherine, thank very can thank you very much. can we please with what's going please start with what's going on rishi because on with rishi sunak? because there's, there's actually a little bit of an audio clip, i believe, as well, which i'll play believe, as well, which i'll play now from danny kruger mp so tory mp, let's just hear what he had to say about reform and then we'll get the reaction of the back. catherine i think that the obstacle is the obstacle of conservatism is the conservative and i kind of conservative party and i kind of get what they're saying, though, sort of disruptive force. >> i think would a tragedy >> i think it would be a tragedy if end up replacing us. if they did end up replacing us. but critique of but their general critique of what's think, is mostly valid. >> so two standout lines for me in that catherine, which is that, i mean, he's entertaining the possibility of reform wiping out the tories. he's also saying that their general critique of everything wrong is

everything that's wrong is right. great right. so yeah, not great really, sunak, it ? really, for rishi sunak, is it? >> no. really dreadful rishi sunak seems to have nothing really but bad days and even on good friday, there's now a row about a knighthood for a tory donor that gave the party £5 million. so yes , danny kruger of million. so yes, danny kruger of the new conservatives basically saying that, yes, he understands why people are attracted to reform, that they say that the conservatives are not conserved enough. and, you know, this is an absolute disaster, potentially for the conservatives because the polls are closing, richard tice told me a few weeks ago he expects them to be level pegging with them to be level pegging with the conservatives by the summer, now amongst working class voters, they've overtaken the conservatives, they've overtaken the conservatives in the north, they've overtaken the conservatives among male voters. and between the ages of 50 and

64, they are level pegging. so this has massive implications for the red wall. you know, bons for the red wall. you know, boris johnson got that 80 seat majority largely through getting people in the north and the midlands that had previously voted labour to lend the conservatives their votes . now conservatives their votes. now it looks very much at the moment like only half of those people are thinking they're going to stick conservatives, stick with the conservatives, those them in those that voted for them in 2019 and about a third of them are currently thinking they're going to vote for reform, and it's now at a point where some conservative mps are saying, well, wouldn't it be a good idea for us to do some sort of deal with nigel farage? because nigel farage is chair, he's not that actively involved. but if he became involved, things would obviously be even worse. some suggestions that he could be offered, the uk ambassador to the united states and now labour

have come out today and said, rishi sunak needs to, to stop this right away to say categorically this won't happen. they want to say, oh, a potential threat to, you know, relation and unity going forward with russia . the conservatives with russia. the conservatives have hit back saying, well, labour are saying this because they want us not to talk about angela rayner. you can really tell that there is an election coming now. >> catherine, danny kruger, new conservatives, leader of the new conservatives, leader of the new conservatives, he doesn't represent necessarily the whole parliamentary party, though, does he? his views may well go down well with conservative voters and those who are looking towards reform, of course. but there is this stonking divide, isn't there? this considerable divide within the parliamentary party? rishi sunak. i don't get the impression he'd be comfortable moving towards danny kruger .

comfortable moving towards danny kruger. kruger's comfortable moving towards danny kruger . kruger's position moving kruger. kruger's position moving towards the reform position . towards the reform position. very difficult for rishi sunak to know what to do. well very difficult because whatever he does, he's going to lose voters one way or the other, because of course, voters in the red wall, although voters up and down the country are concerned about taxes, about public services, the cost of living and voters in the cost of living and voters in the red wall often are looking for something a bit different, more concerned with immigration, more concerned with immigration, more concerned with the small boats, whereas people in the supposed blue wall in the south are likely to take a rather calmer view about those things, likely to be less impacted, frankly, by illegal migration or the levels of net migration. >> so it's looking like that coalition of voters that boris johnson managed to get and sort of straddle , in 2000, okay. of straddle, in 2000, okay. >> all right. well, look, thank you very, very much. katherine

forster. there we are joined as you be to by peter you will be able to see by peter spencen you will be able to see by peter spencer, political commentator . spencer, political commentator. and i'm going and now, peter, look, i'm going to little promo of to play a little promo clip of this a, bit. but i had this in a, in a bit. but i had a conversation with robert jenrick yesterday, conversation with robert jenrick yes my iay, conversation with robert jenrick yesmy show 9 pm. tonight. on my show 9 to 11 pm. tonight. he makes astonishing he makes some astonishing allegations. is that allegations. one of them is that he, minister, he, as immigration minister, repeatedly tried to have conversations with prime minister sunak about legal minister rishi sunak about legal migration, net migration and rishi quotes. did not want rishi sunak quotes. did not want to. does he care ? to. does he care? >> are you asking me that question ? question? >> yes, you clearly are. >> yes, you clearly are. >> i mean, look, there is a huge problem when it comes to legal immigration, and that is the lancet produced a report, a week or so back in which it which they made it quite clear that britain, along with a whole swathe of developed western nations, are going to have to get used to an increase ceased legal migration for the rest of the century. >> simply because of our falling birth rate. upshot of that birth rate. the upshot of that will be, inevitably, that we'll

have an ageing population and not enough young people flowing in. >> do you think we should have to accept those findings from one lancet report? i mean, no one lancet report? i mean, no one to that report and one has to read that report and believe it to be gospel, do they?i believe it to be gospel, do they? i mean, that's just that report and author's opinion. report and its author's opinion. a of people would argue that a lot of people would argue that actually, that would be a massive mistake to rely on immigration the end the immigration to the end of the century. absolutely >> i mean, most certainly that thatis >> i mean, most certainly that that is very much the reform argument , that it's so much argument, that it's so much whoopty doodle, frankly, but at the same time, i mean, i look at what's happening with reform and i look at the dilemma facing which just pointed out a which you've just pointed out a moment ago, the dilemma that he faces , which is, does he simply faces, which is, does he simply write off those working class voters and switches focus to the leafy suburbs, the so—called blue wall, which is actually it is more numerous , albeit less is more numerous, albeit less noisy. and this is because i can

see the election will be little short of a damage limitation for the tory party. just going by what the polling guru, professor curtis , said a couple of days curtis, said a couple of days ago, 99% certain that the labour party will win. yeah. >> and he's come out and already he's rolling the wicket for this, was given this, saying i was given a hospital by boris johnson , hospital pass by boris johnson, all that stuff, which is all of that stuff, which is amazing rishi amazing given how keen rishi sunak behind the scenes, to sunak was behind the scenes, to come into power and decide come into power and then decide that wanted to hang hat that he wanted to hang his hat on, banning and giving on, banning smoking and giving us levels then, you us more a levels and then, you know, his head as know, now scratching his head as to people don't want vote to why people don't want to vote for just pivot over for him, can we just pivot over to angela rayner, please, in the labour party, because she is in hot water and this isn't going away. would all go away. away. it would all go away. peter just like that if she decided publish her tax decided to publish her tax information. starmer has information. keir starmer has now himself in more a now got himself in more than a little a pickle because little bit of a pickle because he's saying, angela's he's saying, look, angela's satisfied . i'm satisfied me with this. i'm absolutely fine to believe it. and it turns out he is and then it turns out he is refusing to actually look at the evidence. what's going on? how

long can starmer backer ? long can starmer backer? >> it's a very interesting point, and i don't understand why he hasn't looked at those tax returns. that said , i do tax returns. that said, i do note that the investigation into this subject was closed down and then reopened at the behest of a very senior figure within the tory party, which i think says a great deal about how long and how nasty the general election campaign is set to be. the only point i'd make about starmer backing, his deputy, who's who of whom. i have to add that he isn't a great fan. is simply the fact that the man is a lawyer if he thinks he's got a cast down case, the chances are she has well , all as case, the chances are she has well, all as we understand, he hasn't looked at the evidence . hasn't looked at the evidence. >> so thank you very much indeed. peter spencer, political commentator. always fantastic to speak on all these speak to you on all of these topics. mean, other thing topics. i mean, the other thing there that keir there as well is that keir starmer find himself starmer could yet find himself before committee before the privileges committee and the most and maybe even in the most extreme from extreme examples, suspended from parliament the old gaza

parliament over the old gaza ceasefire vote as well. parliament over the old gaza ceawell, vote as well. parliament over the old gaza ceawell, thereas well. parliament over the old gaza ceawell, there is well. parliament over the old gaza ceawell, there is another thing >> well, there is another thing that there's that hasn't gone away. there's a golden around golden goose wandering around outside downing street at the moment . if only rishi sunak moment. if only rishi sunak would shoot it, which just raised does he raised the question. does he actually lead? actually really want to lead? but , should women be but coming up, should women be allowed at the garrick club? >> should men be allowed their own spaces? this is because this 200 year old london members club is considering letting in certain, only certain female members after years of backlash. is this really a feminist issue and should men be allowed their own spaces? yeah, men . own spaces? yeah, men. >> men should be allowed their own spaces. they should be allowed their own what's allowed their own spaces. what's the also, allowed their own spaces. what's the i also, allowed their own spaces. what's the i just also, allowed their own spaces. what's the i just say also, allowed their own spaces. what's the i just say it's also, allowed their own spaces. what's the i just say it's all also, allowed their own spaces. what's the i just say it's all veryalso, can i just say it's all very well and good, if you decide well and good, but if you decide to let kathy neumann into the garrick becomes garrick club and it just becomes her, talk to jon sopel, then i'm sorry, one else is sorry, but no one else is going to up anyway. sorry, but no one else is going to a up anyway. sorry, but no one else is going to a bitp anyway. sorry, but no one else is going to a bit of|nyway. sorry, but no one else is going to a bit of stephen fry. >> a bit of stephen fry. >> a bit of stephen fry. >> oh yeah. stuff. well, >> oh yeah. great stuff. well, why a podcast? why don't they start a podcast? on afternoon britain oh wait, good afternoon britain on i'll you on gb news. i'll see you in a set.

>> right. it's 226. you're watching and listening to good afternoon, britain with me. emily and him. patrick christys . emily and him. patrick christys. now the garrick club, if you've heard of it , now the garrick club, if you've heard of it, it is an exclusive. male only members club in london. and that's proving rather controversial these days . rather controversial these days. and they're being forced to consider consider accepting women for the first time in its 193 year history. some of the men actually in the club are , men actually in the club are, you know, writing lists of potential women that might be able them. apparently, able to join them. apparently, this progress. this is progress. >> mean, the women on >> yeah. i mean, the women on that list are exactly who you would expect. you can also add it's exclusive. they would expect. you can also add it'sjerry exclusive. they would expect. you can also add it'sjerry hayes:lusive. they would expect. you can also add it'sjerry hayes :lu anyway. ey would expect. you can also add it'sjerry hayes:lu anyway. the let jerry hayes in anyway. the establishment often jerry establishment is often jerry hayes to defend hayes is not here to defend himself. wants to defend himself. he just wants to defend himself. he just wants to defend himself. proud he himself. he's proud of it. he wears the telly wears the tie on the telly anyway. the establishment has often the centre often found itself at the centre often found itself at the centre of its no of controversy over its no female status, with the high profile members such as stephen

fry calling for a change. you know what? >> that's the funniest thing about this story that the men inside are calling for the change. >> can i also just say quickly on this? there was a story on this? there was a big story about sopel has about this. jon sopel okay, has been just after years of trying, apparently awarded a membership and , horror, it's and now shock, horror, it's emily maitlis who's somehow come up with the scoop. got the list of the some of the rule changes and some of the women that we've got on. they podcast got on. they do a podcast together. on on, we're together. on hang on, we're going this one a little going to cover this one a little bit the other bit differently from the other broadcasters, and we're going to be joined now by melanie mcdonagh, columnist at mcdonagh, who is columnist at the evening standard. >> agree >> now, melanie, do you agree with the funniest thing with me that the funniest thing about this story is that there are inside the club who are men inside the club who suddenly clearly think it's good for pr to come out and for their pr to come out and suggest women who should be able to join the club as if they're such progressive beings. >> it's a second funny, funniest thing about the whole thing. >> i agree that the other ones are extraordinarily shy. >> i do know a couple of people

who will say out loud that they like being in a men only club , like being in a men only club, but it must be said that the ones who are most of the four at the moment are the ones who say that they want women to join, though if it's a secret ballot, who's to say ? who's to say? >> but the really striking thing about thing is that the about the thing is that the women who are getting terrifically worked up about this bastion of privilege and are perfectly in are perfectly willing in principle , to allow clubs like principle, to allow clubs like the athenaeum or the reform to continue existence . continue in existence. >> and they, a colossal >> and they, cost a colossal amount to join. they are exclusive. you have to be proposed . they have got all the proposed. they have got all the facilities that the garrick have, and then and then some, they foster, mutual support and friendship between their members. what exactly is it about these clubs that make them fine for these women, but the garrick , not, because if you garrick, not, because if you are, in principle opposed to places where people can meet with colleagues or former school

friends or indeed just friends and have a chat. friends or indeed just friends and have a chat . well, isn't it and have a chat. well, isn't it and have a chat. well, isn't it a bit strange that they actually want to join it, that they're not opposed to these , bastions not opposed to these, bastions of privilege in general? >> melanie, i've heard some quite right on male broadcasters today saying that we should shut down the lot. we shouldn't have any elite institutions like these like these clubs, but we just were showing pictures of a group of feminists who were storming the garrick club. well, not quite standing outside with lots of banners and protest placards calling demanding women let are let in in the name of gender equality. i mean, is this really where we are with feminism? surely, surely there are bigger for women . are bigger issues for women. >> well, there is the university women's club. if they want to join that, if they're if they're graduates. are some graduates. so there are some women only spaces. but the point is really the question of freedom of association, if you're in a free country, you should be at liberty to associate with whoever you want.

and you want to associate and if you want to associate with other other women, with other men or other women, then any reason why then i can't see any reason why you shouldn't be allowed to do it. >> do you not think there is a point as well to be said about? is not okay for men to just is it not okay for men to just have a men's space? is that have a men's only space? is that not right? yeah, presumably yes. >> it's fine. i mean, then both sexes operate slightly differently, the absence of sexes operate slightly diffiother. , the absence of sexes operate slightly diffiother. so the absence of sexes operate slightly diffiother. so menabsence of sexes operate slightly diffiother. so men do ence of sexes operate slightly diffiother. so men do theirof the other. so men do their thing, when they're together and they talk about men's stuff and they talk about men's stuff and they can kind of be a bit louche, away from the female gaze and women kind of, i think relax a bit more at least, certainly i found that with, with single sex women's spaces, and this is not a bad thing. i mean , it's not as if every mean, it's not as if every single club, in fact, most of them admit women. so if they want to join an exclusive and expensive club, then there are umpteen available. it's just that the remains one element of diversity and they are talking a lot about equality, diversity and inclusion. but that one bit of diversity, which involves a single sex space they're not

prepared to allow, and i think this is inimical to a free society . society. >> yeah. and can i also just ask, you think it really ask, do you think it really matters this, you know, do you think an impact on the think it has an impact on the fabnc think it has an impact on the fabric of british society that there is a club called the garrick club that is male only? >> i know i'm invited to say , >> i know i'm invited to say, it's not important, but actually i do think it's important that people should be at liberty to hang out with whoever they want. that i mean, the only criterion , that i mean, the only criterion, really, is that there shouldn't be any exclusion on the basis of race and i can buy into that. but the whole idea that we should barred from, as having should be barred from, as having single—sex spaces, i think, is essentially unfree , and it's essentially unfree, and it's important that we should have freedom of association and in that sense, the garrick membership just affects a few hundred people. well, 1500 people, isn't it? and it wasn't really such a scoop for the guardian, because membership guardian, because the membership list every single list is sent out to every single member. just had to find list is sent out to every single

menofzr. just had to find list is sent out to every single menof the just had to find list is sent out to every single menof the 1500 just had to find list is sent out to every single menof the 1500 t01st had to find list is sent out to every single menof the 1500 to hand d to find list is sent out to every single menof the 1500 to hand itto find list is sent out to every single menof the 1500 to hand it over.d one of the 1500 to hand it over. so not such a scoop, but i think it is important as a general principle that people should be allowed with whoever allowed to hang out with whoever they allowed to hang out with whoever the yeah, i agree, i it's >> yeah, i agree, i think it's just an easy target. >> thank you much. melanie just an easy target. >> thank ycolumnistuch. melanie just an easy target. >> thank ycolumnist at]. melanie just an easy target. >> thank ycolumnist at the elanie mcdonagh, columnist at the evening standard, she's got a great piece in the evening standard, if you fancy checking it out. >> an easy target because there's just it full of there's just fill it full of weak don't they? weak blokes now, don't they? >> some of those >> i mean, some of those feminists were outside the, feminists who were outside the, garrick yes . they find garrick club, yes. they find sexism everywhere, regardless of whether it's actually there. it's all about elitism, isn't it? yeah >> oh, look forward to more scoops that definitely haven't come to emily come from jon sopel to emily maitlis. need more maitlis. do we need more prisons? former immigration minister robert jenrick says it's the way to keep the it's the only way to keep the pubuc it's the only way to keep the public safe. we'll be getting the opinions of former the opinions of a former prisoner your headlines the opinions of a former prisosophia your headlines the opinions of a former prisosophia . your headlines with sophia. >> thanks, patrick. it's 232. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. your headlines, sir

jeffrey donaldson has stepped down as a leader of the democratic unionist party after he was charged with historical sex offences. he's also been suspended from the party pending the outcome of the legal process . they've now appointed gavin robinson as interim leader. . they've now appointed gavin robinson as interim leader . a 57 robinson as interim leader. a 57 year old woman has been charged with aiding and abetting additional offences in relation to the same police investigation. sir jeffrey was elected to parliament in 1997 and is the longest serving mp in northern ireland, one of the conservative party's major donors has received a knighthood as part of a surprise honours list from rishi sunak. mohamed mansour gave £5 million to the tories last year and is a senior treasurer for the party. he was knighted for what's described as services to business, charity and politics. a 19 year old man has been charged with attempted murder and possession of an offensive weapon after a stabbing on a train on wednesday. rakeem thomas has been remanded into custody. he

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i >> -- >> well, emma >> well, your views have been absolutely fizzing in over. fizzing in over. the idea that we can have all male spaces in britain. we are , of course, britain. we are, of course, talking about this private members club, the garrick club. but i just wanted to flip it on its head and go, you know what? women are outside . so—called women are outside. so—called feminists complaining feminists outside complaining about . is it about it all actually. is it just that they don't want men to have a little space? isn't it? okay for men to be able to go somewhere in the break? >> said, you know what, >> patrick said, you know what, if up outside women's if i turned up outside a women's club demanded be in club and demanded to be let in and you'd get a and i said, you'd probably get a restraining and i said, you'd probably get a restrainin�*really did make the >> yes, i really did make the point. might make me look point. that might make me look a

little a pervert, so little bit like a pervert, so i probably that. probably won't do that. >> use that, actually. probably won't do that. >> so use that, actually. probably won't do that. >> so it use that, actually. probably won't do that. >> so it should that, actually. probably won't do that. >> so it should remain:tually. probably won't do that. >> so it should remain male, probably won't do that. >> ssimon,»uld remain male, probably won't do that. >> ssimon,»uld women's ale, said simon, the women's institute male institute does not allow male members, says david, members, apparently. says david, they've had a row over a transgender female. they have, they have. there are a couple of ladies only golf clubs, apparently, says lesley, there we go, sheila says. >> this is a good point. we have women's spaces, so leave the men their space. i went to a coffee morning where there were men. the ladies sat around one table while around the while the men sat around the other . so why bother? great other. so why bother? great show, patrick and emily. thanks, sheila. >> what's the problem with it, really? mean, it's really? honestly. i mean, it's just just a it's a building just it's just a it's a building in london. we've got loads of other buildings where blokes go. only a very group only a very select group of blokes allowed to go blokes are allowed to go anywhere. mean, that's anywhere. i mean, that's the other couldn't other argument. i couldn't just wander in there. it's not even my space, you know. >> yeah. that's mean, >> yeah. that's true. i mean, it's only a very a handful of men. yeah, in so in the grand scheme of things. i mean, scheme of things. but i mean, the club , i mean, the the garrick club, i mean, the women are outside women who are outside the garrick protesting to garrick club protesting to be let isn't a positive let in. this isn't a positive campaign for women's rights.

this is all about them hating these elite institutions and hating the patriarchy, wanting to smash any remnants that's left of the patriarchy and i would argue very strongly that perhaps they should turn their attention elsewhere . attention elsewhere. >> all right. okay. well, now i sat down with former immigration minister robert jenrick. sat down with former immigration minister robert jenrick . we minister robert jenrick. we cover a lot of different topics, actually . his answers are actually. his answers are incredibly revealing and he's decided clearly to come and shoot from the hip and speak his mind. now for the full interview will be played on my show later on this evening. 9:00 to 11 pm, but i asked what he thinks but i asked him what he thinks needs to be done to improve britain's current law and order situation . brian, there's situation. brian, there's a little snippet of this. >> now we lock up more of these prolific offenders and just get them off our streets , keep the them off our streets, keep the pubuc them off our streets, keep the public safe. and to do that, we will need build more prisons. will need to build more prisons. but i don't flinch from that. i think we to embrace that. think we have to embrace that. if it is a way of keeping the pubuc if it is a way of keeping the public safe . public safe. >> right. very much getting tough law and order. so

tough on law and order. so joining us now is mark johnson, a former prisoner and the founder of uservoice, a charity working re—offending , working to reduce re—offending, do you think, mark, thanks for joining us. do you think that, robert jenrick has got the right idea? prisons. we idea? we need more prisons. we need tougher . need to get tougher. >> it's it >> no. absolutely not. it's it was quite painful to was actually quite painful to listen to, it kind of panders maybe to a, tory vote, you know, winning. winning vote, sort of, voter . but actually, in reality, voter. but actually, in reality, you know, if you, if you look back , 15 years now, we've had back, 15 years now, we've had like 15 years of this political rhetoric. it started with the rehabilitation revolution, remember, david cameron hug a hoodie. you know, we're going to we're going to really get the under the, under the skin of the causes of crime , etc, in the uk. causes of crime, etc, in the uk. and we're going to, you know, have and then had the, the, have and then you had the, the, rehabilitation have and then you had the, the, rehalyountion have and then you had the, the, rehalyou had the transforming then you had the transforming rehabilitation, all of it . rehabilitation, all of it. you've had 25, justice ministers

and prisons ministers over the last 15 years. and now it seems that they're abandoning any surely, surely for. >> but the prisons aren't just about stopping re—offending, are they? prisons are also about keeping the public safe. and if we have too many criminals who evade prison for one reason or another, perhaps because we they're over overfull, then surely we do need more prisons. thatis surely we do need more prisons. that is what we need. >> but what you've what you've had is an abandonment under this government of effective sentencing and effective rehabilitation programs. what they've used the criminal justice system for is literally vote winning. you know , vote winning. you know, pandenng vote winning. you know, pandering to vote at tory voters. can i just interrupt there, mark? >> i'll just say one of the reasons why we have a problem with sentencing is because we haven't places in haven't got enough places in prison which prison to put them, which implies need implies that we might need to build prisons now. implies that we might need to bui well, prisons now. implies that we might need to bui well, well, prisons now. implies that we might need to bui well, well, right.;ons now. implies that we might need to bui well, well, right. right ow. implies that we might need to bui well, well, right. right now , >> well, well, right. right now, you covid, it was you know, before covid, it was 84,000. now it's 88,000 in british prisons. and the their

plan was always to knock it up to 120 over the next couple of years. the truth of it is, is like what what kind of model have we got to look to look at the evidence ? well, we've got if the evidence? well, we've got if you go over the atlantic where america locks people up for longer, yet their reconviction figures are way higher than ours. there's no evidence to suggest that increasing sentences, more prisons reduce reduce reoffending. >> can i just give you a little teaser? head to something that robert jenrick is going to be talking me about later this talking to me about later this evening, points to the evening, he says. points to the case one individual case of one individual who's been guilty offences case of one individual who's beernever guilty offences case of one individual who's beernever beenty offences case of one individual who's beernever been sent offences case of one individual who's beernever been sent to offences case of one individual who's beernever been sent to prison.es case of one individual who's beeyou1er been sent to prison.es case of one individual who's beeyou thinken sent to prison.es case of one individual who's beeyou think leniency) prison.es case of one individual who's beeyou think leniency) pri helped do you think leniency has helped that society ? that individual or society? >> it's not. it's not leniency. i'm not i'm not, talking about leniency. i'm talking about offensive sentencing. i go to prison all the time. i've actually been to prison , but i actually been to prison, but i work in prison. and i'm shocked that the deluded, mindset of the people that the prison system

are releasing, you know, recently, you've got , the 35 day recently, you've got, the 35 day early release scheme , that the, early release scheme, that the, joint select committee has voted in, that it's got a blanket early release program for people that are up to four year sentences. and if that's successful , they're going to successful, they're going to increase that to 60. what? nobody's is what happens nobody's asking is what happens in the four walls of a prison , in the four walls of a prison, on what leading on a project at the moment , there's, dame carol the moment, there's, dame carol black, 300 million has gone into, drug drug, drug programs into, drug drug, drug programs in prison, 300 million today, 60% of all heroin addicts being released from british prisons do not make it to a gp surgery on release. okay? there's one prison in the north that's 85% of drug addicted prisoners. do not make it to a to a, that's a prescribing gp. that's not like an effective drug treatment program. so all we're doing is

we've got this group of people, let's face it , the conditions in let's face it, the conditions in prison are better for a lot of people than actually their lives outside. and until we start to get, you know, get under the skin of what we do with this group of people whilst they're in prison, we're going to continue. and you get this rhetoric of going, yes, let's just increase sentences. there's no to actually look at no appetite to actually look at the professionals and science behind what is going to work for our society. they're just abandon apparently in britain, about 52% of all crime is committed by just 9% of people. >> and i'm sorry, but if you did lock up that 9% of people, then crime would halve, wouldn't it? >> well, let's, let's but let's use the analogy. >> right. so yeah. lock them up. do you want to pay for it. can we afford to pay for it okay. and then can you. are you more than happy to expect them to do exactly the same on release from

prison . that's a that's what prison. that's a that's what we've got. 22, 22 hours a day in a ten foot by eight foot cell with all of these deluded and revolting and vulgar some of the people, is it not enough to want to put you off committing crime? >> no , because the reality, the >> no, because the reality, the reality of it is it's a lie. >> it's a lifestyle. in prison prisons, they're lifestyle in prisons, they're lifestyle in prison currently is better than outside . and until we get outside. and until we get effective, drug treatment , work effective, drug treatment, work programs, housing, addressing housing, we're not going to ever get to, to solve it. so the rhetoric of just increasing sentences and more prison sentence, i would absolutely agree that prisons are the places that you really get places that you can really get under the skin of the causes of why people commit crime , but you why people commit crime, but you don't. then it's not a group of people. >> it's just not happening . i >> it's just not happening. i think some really think you raised some really good about what's good points about what's actually in the actually happening in the prisons. criminals go prisons. and once criminals go into they into the prison, are they just going come and reoffend going to come out and reoffend if actually getting if they're not actually getting

any of that support that's needed? and you can't lock needed? and you can't just lock people forever unless they people up forever unless they could you think it should . could say you think it should. thank you mark. really appreciate really appreciate your time. it's been great to speak to you. mark johnson, former and founder former prisoner and founder of user , a charity working to user voice, a charity working to reduce mean, reduce reoffending. i mean, there's of people who there's a lot of people who commit, say non—violent commit, let's say non—violent hate crimes. you're not just going to lock them up. >> no, no, of course not. >> and throw away the key. are you. >> but but there has to be >> but but that there has to be a deterrent. there has to be a deterrent. and prison has to be a can't a deterrent. and we can't simultaneously a deterrent. and we can't simulticonditions are , how prison conditions are, how terrible it is, and how people are . it's against their human are. it's against their human rights to bang them up for 22 hours a day, or whatever it is, and then simultaneously be told that don't really that actually they don't really care going in there. and it doesn't doesn't have any doesn't it doesn't have any deterrent doesn't it doesn't have any det yeah, but doesn't it doesn't have any detyeah, but i think it's >> yeah, but i think it's different things. so for example, been if you, example, if you've been if you, you know, been gangs, your you know, been in gangs, your life risk for years life has been at risk for years and years and years being in prison. yes. the conditions may not be very nice, but at least

you the security knowing you have the security of knowing where meal is coming where your next meal is coming from. you have the from. at least you have the security someone security of knowing that someone isn't to stab you. but isn't going to stab you. but look next that mostly look the next day on that mostly on search, right? look the next day on that mostly on people search, right? look the next day on that mostly on people were search, right? look the next day on that mostly on people were saying,. right? look the next day on that mostly on people were saying, ohjht? look the next day on that mostly on people were saying, oh ,|t? look the next day on that mostly on people were saying, oh , it's >> people were saying, oh, it's inherently racist or we shouldn't we should roll shouldn't do it. we should roll back and search knife shouldn't do it. we should roll back epidemic.|d search knife shouldn't do it. we should roll back epidemic. absolutely.|ife crime epidemic. absolutely. knife epidemic. every crime epidemic. absolutely. knife day epidemic. every crime epidemic. absolutely. knife day on pidemic. every crime epidemic. absolutely. knife day on twitter,. every crime epidemic. absolutely. knife day on twitter, youery crime epidemic. absolutely. knife day on twitter, you see other day on twitter, you see someone pulling a machete out of someone's pocket and someone's back pocket and sometimes cetera, sometimes using it. et cetera, etc. argument now for me etc. so the argument now for me would be, well, we need more stop and search, right? well then isn't it same of then isn't it the same kind of venn diagram of people who venn diagram group of people who then go prison then say if you go prison doesn't scrap. doesn't work, let's scrap. >> you go into prison as >> if you go into prison as a drug addict you come out as drug addict and you come out as a addict and there's a drug addict and there's absolutely you absolutely no support for you when i what when you come out, i mean, what hope you to not hope do you have to not reoffend? yeah. hope do you have to not reofairi? yeah. hope do you have to not reo fair enough.eah. hope do you have to not re0'fairenough.eah. you hope do you have to not reofair enough.eah. you go. >> fair enough. there you go. no, fair no, no. fair enough, fair enough, i would enough, fair enough i would i would to see more would quite like to see more prisons, there go. prisons, but there we go. anyway. need them anyway. i think we need them just a heads as well, very just a heads up as well, very quickly. that, interview quickly. that that, interview is tonight, p.m. quickly. that that, interview is tonight, pm. with tonight, 9 to 11 pm. with robert now moving on. it robert jenrick now moving on. it is indeed. >> well, police issued an >> well, police have issued an urgent to help locate a urgent appeal to help locate a disabled boy's specially

modified van that was stolen in east london. we're going to hear from the mother of that child very shortly. this is

well, police have issued an urgent appeal to help them locate a disabled boy's specially modified van that was stolen from the carrazzo family in hackney. yeah, they harassed 13 year old son elijah. >> has a rare muscular condition and survives with the help of medical equipment that required the family to use this specially modified van, which took nine months to fully customise. and it's . it's been stolen. >> it's been stolen. well, i'm very pleased to say that we are now joined by elijah's mother, anisa. thank you very much for joining us here on good afternoon britain. would you just like to tell us a little bit about what happened and the

appeal try and find the appeal to try and find the people did and find people that did this and find the please. the van, please. >> thank you so much this >> thank you so much for this opportunity , we are humbled by opportunity, we are humbled by all your help. >> thank you , so basically, >> thank you, so basically, elijah is a complex disabled child connected to a machine to breathe. he's got tracheostomy and basically he's got a life limiting condition which has deteriorated over the last year, he travels to and from our house to any appointments and everything else because we it's like moving his intensive care room to a van because his lifeline should always come with him. he can't breathe without a machine, and he can't breathe without, all the suction machines and everything else that comes with it . so, we that comes with it. so, we travel in a safe , adapted van travel in a safe, adapted van for his. safe for his needs. and basically, it disappeared on tuesday morning, it just parked in the estate parking, and

that's where it's always been parked . and elijah's 14, that's where it's always been parked . and elijah's14, and parked. and elijah's14, and we've not had any issues like this before, so it's a bit of a real shock to our system. >> i mean, i'm not surprised this has come as a shock. i mean, it's incredible that someone, whoever it is, thought that they could just take this van that your son needs so desperately to have. so where have you got to with the metropolitan police then? are they there investigating this? have they anywhere with have they got anywhere with their search? any suspects? what's happening? so it's. >> it's an amazing support. what we are getting from met police. they updating us? right at this time, they're still under investigation and taking any leads they can, i'm not sure exactly where they are, but all i know is it's not found yet. but they're doing absolute everything and doing and putting all their resources into it as well. yeah so. yeah.

>> so it's just just to interrupt you, vanessa, briefly . interrupt you, vanessa, briefly. so what we were showing there was actually footage of the moment the van was stolen . so moment the van was stolen. so this now. so the thieves, moment the van was stolen. so thiwhat now. so the thieves, moment the van was stolen. so thiwhat time. so the thieves, moment the van was stolen. so thiwhat time doeshe thieves, moment the van was stolen. so thiwhat time does it thieves, moment the van was stolen. so thiwhat time does it sayzves, moment the van was stolen. so thiwhat time does it say on;, moment the van was stolen. so thiwhat time does it say on the at what time does it say on the screen there? if the cctv covers about 2:15 in the morning. was it? so brazen decided to it? i think so brazen decided to go. and could you just say, let's assume that there's a conscience in these people. okay. what you say to the okay. what would you say to the people who have this van and who know where it is? what would your message them be? your message to them be? >> basically, elijah. and as a family, we're not angry. we forgive you for whatever reason you took it. just remember, you took elijah's freedom as well. it's not the van that you took, but it's our freedom as a family. his freedom as to whatever life he's got. he's got a limited time here. and we just hope that you pull something in your heart to look at this as not a material thing, but look at this as what you could give

to elijah into whatever life, whatever we could squeeze in to whatever we could squeeze in to whatever limited time we've got. he's going to celebrate his 14th birthday, and we hope to find it, return it before , because we it, return it before, because we are planning to take him away for possibly . we don't know if for possibly. we don't know if it's going to be our last family houday. holiday. >> we're really happy and to help you . and that was help you. and that was a wonderful message and we hope that they are listening and return

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