up, roll up. get your and roll up, roll up. get your questions in for ask the five. you can put one of us on the spot about any topic you like, but before we get into that, it's your saturday night news with polly middlehurst. >> thanks very much indeed and good evening to you. well, the top story from the gb newsroom tonight is that the nationalities of migrants who commit crimes could be posted in a new league table, with ministers saying it'll give the government more power to tighten immigration laws. government more power to tighten immigration laws . a group of immigration laws. a group of tory mps wants to see statistics on every offender convicted in england and wales, published every year , and they say the every year, and they say the rules will help the home office impose stricter visa and deportation for deportation policies for individuals certain individuals from certain countries. the former immigration minister, robert jenrick, is behind the idea and, speaking exclusively to gb news earlier on today, he said the pubuc earlier on today, he said the public wants to know what impact

arrivals to the uk are having on the country. >> i want the most honest and transparent debate about immigration, legal or illegal, that we can possibly have, and it is wrong that the government or other agencies hide statistics . i have laid an statistics. i have laid an amendment to the upcoming criminal justice bill, which tackles one of these issues, and it says that the government must pubush it says that the government must publish statistics on crimes and sentences by country of origin and by visa and asylum status . i and by visa and asylum status. i think that the public want to know who's coming into our country and what the economic, the fiscal and the societal impact of immigration is. >> robert jenrick speaking there? well, almost 5000 migrants have crossed the engush migrants have crossed the english channel so far this yean english channel so far this year, with border force officials escorting around 300 illegal migrants on to dover after intercepting them. today, the home office says their french counterparts are facing growing dangers as they attempt

to intervene, with police there saying they're experiencing higher levels of violence and disruption on the northern shores of france . the interim shores of france. the interim dup leader , gavin robinson, has dup leader, gavin robinson, has told colleagues the party isn't about any one individual, saying instead it exists to build a better and stronger northern ireland. it follows the resignation of sir jeffrey donaldson, who's been charged with historical sex offences. the police service of northern ireland has since warned against speculation on social media, saying anything that leads to the identification of a victim is a crime and will be treated as such . it's understood sir as such. it's understood sir jeffrey has told dup officers he'll strenuously contest allegations against him . allegations against him. counter—terrorism police are investigating the stabbing of an exiled iranian journalist in southwest london, perea zarate, who was targeted outside his home in wimbledon , is said to be home in wimbledon, is said to be in a stable condition in hospital after suffering an injury to his leg. the london

based television channel iran international says the attack follows tehran's plot to kill two of its presenters in 2022. it's calling for stronger action against the regime. police here say they're keeping an open mind regarding any motive . two regarding any motive. two security sources have accused israel of striking a car carrying un observers in southern lebanon. the un peacekeeping mission says four people were injured. the israeli military has denied any involvement. meanwhile, further aid airdrops have been carried out over gaza. the us military says it's conducted 18 such missions this month, and yesterday the uk dropped more than ten tonnes of food and humanitarian supplies, including rice, flour, tinned goods and water to help civilians affected by the ongoing conflict here in the uk. household budgets are about to be hit by much bigger bills . a range of services and bills. a range of services and products including broadband,

mobile phones, tv licences and stamps are going up from monday. the average annual council tax bill is also increasing by about £100, and water and sewerage charges in england. wales are also rising by about £27 a year. it isn't all bad news, though. national insurance is going down along with energy bills falling to their lowest for two years. classic magnum ice creams are being recalled over fears they may contain. metal manufacturer unilever says the precautionary measure follows internal safety checks and products sold in packs of three are now being recalled, with the warning unked recalled, with the warning linked to five batches, all showing a best before date of the 25th of november. the company has apologised to consumers and says no other magnum products are affected. and lastly, the rowing team. cambridge has claimed a double victory with the men and women

winning the historic boat race on the thames today. the rowers had to ignore tradition, though they were warned not to jump into the water to celebrate after winning their events. because high levels of because of the high levels of e coli that have been detected in the river, they were also advised to cover up any cuts with waterproof plasters , and to with waterproof plasters, and to try to avoid accidentally swallowing river water. the men claim their fifth trophy in six years, while the women cruised to a seventh straight victory . to a seventh straight victory. and just lastly, summer is one step closer with the clocks going forward tonight . the bad going forward tonight. the bad news is you'll lose an hour of sleep with the time shifting forwards at about 1:00. the good news is it signals the beginning of british summer time that means longer evenings and brighter days ahead and one hour less rain, of course. for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts. scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts.

>> it's saturday night and you're with the saturday five. i'm darren grimes, and i can promise that you're in for a very lively hour, as well as all of our regular features. very lively hour, as well as all of our regular features . we'll of our regular features. we'll be going across the pond to get all the latest showbiz news. we'll be asking if tv comedy is dead.i we'll be asking if tv comedy is dead. i know a lot of you think that. and roving reporter albie amankona has been out and about today meeting the boat race spectators. i can't think what drew him to that particular race in particular. but before all that, let's crack on with tonight's first debate. who's going to lead us off? >> it's me. i'm going to be leading us off. darren so it's been six months since the awful october 7 terrorist attacks in israel, and almost every weekend we've seen protests on the streets of london and other major cities across the united kingdom for the causes of israel and palestine. but i'm asking

today, what's the point? because no one appears to be listening . no one appears to be listening. hamas are still at large, and netanyahu's regime continues their attack on the palestinian people. so the question that i'm asking is, is it time for these protests to end? because it doesn't seem that any of the key political players, whether or not they're here in the us or indeedin not they're here in the us or indeed in israel and palestine, are listening what people are are listening to what people are saying on the streets. i was walking past the, the demonstrations earlier on today coming back from lunch, and i was seeing all sorts of things. yes, lots of people were peaceful, but i did hear chants of from the river to the sea just before jeremy corbyn was speaking on trafalgar square, and i just thought to myself , and i just thought to myself, would jeremy been at any would jeremy have been at any other where they were other protest where they were singing some sort of anti—racism, some sort of racist chant? i don't think so. i also saw some footage online on twitter, formerly known as as x of a man who proudly supports hamas . and i think we can bring hamas. and i think we can bring those images to you now . the

those images to you now. the same as the french did , the same same as the french did, the same as the french did against the germans. >> what are you actually saying? >> what are you actually saying? >> i'm saying i fully support hamas. they resisted the occupation. i fully support hamas moving down, resisted the occupation . they support hamas . occupation. they support hamas. >> these are shameful scenes, aren't they? darren grimes , is aren't they? darren grimes, is it time for the protests to be ended? >>i ended? >> i would ban them. i definitely think, especially after what i encountered today. so i did a show earlier today and one of our reporters, new well, she's in the news area, so she's a broadcaster for our channel, and she's called katherine forster , who i'm sure katherine forster, who i'm sure you all know. and she's a lovely woman. she got into doing this kind of work through the spectator . later in life, she spectator. later in life, she appued spectator. later in life, she applied for a spectator, which is a magazine internship program, and she was out there today giving a very impartial, matter of fact take on the

protests and what they were calling for on this particular day. and this man with a megaphone was screaming in her ear that she's a fascist and that gb news must be silenced or something to that effect. and it really shook her. the police were stood by, doing absolutely nothing. now i find it pretty hard to countenance that a protest can be allowed to silence the free press and i think that calling that man that you just highlighted there calling for saying he supports hamas openly, of course, as we know, a proscribed terrorist organisation in this country. i don't know how we can allow this to continue . i believe in to continue. i believe in freedom of association, freedom of expression , all the rest of of expression, all the rest of it. but this has been going on week in, week out . it's cost the week in, week out. it's cost the taxpayer tens of millions of pounds. police resources are having to be pooled from outside of london. that dragging away from infrastructure around the rest of the country . rest of the country. >> but i mean, the majority of

the people there were peacefully protesting . i mean, i was there protesting. i mean, i was there there were certainly some unsightly which happened. unsightly things which happened. and videos and we saw that in the videos and that we have just and the images that we have just seen. majority of seen. but if the majority of people peacefully, people are peacefully, peacefully darren is peacefully protesting, darren is it job of the state it really the job of the state to stop them? >> i think when, actually >> i think when, when actually you've made it, i forget who it was said, look, you've made was that said, look, you've made your james cleverly, your point. james cleverly, james and i think james cleverly and i think actually have made actually they have made their point. the un, david cameron at the un, the foreign secretary just called for and supported a un resolution for a ceasefire. what more do they want? the country has demanded a ceasefire. i have, and by the way, i do not support a ceasefire until the hostages are released. but that's it. they've got what they wanted. what more do they want to extract from the british state? this is just the them trying to spread poison on our streets, i think, benjamin, it is a lot of people on the left who are attending these protests now, i know you don't necessarily share their opinion, but how do you feel about the

protest being banned , given it protest being banned, given it is a lot of people on the left who are attending these protests? >> well, i found this a really difficult one. so in france, president macron, who is a centre left politician, banned the protests after 1 centre left politician, banned the protests after1 or 2 weeks. the protests after 1 or 2 weeks. so there haven't been these every saturday as there would have otherwise . have otherwise. >> now, i don't particularly like the idea of the state being that interfering as the french state so often is . and although state so often is. and although i think most a lot of jewish people in london have said that they feel unsafe and they feel uncomfortable in central london. and so i think that's one of the reasons why it makes it difficult, because my instinct is that you shouldn't ban these protests. don't protests. i certainly don't think cost a reason to think the cost is a reason to ban them, because you could apply that argument any apply that argument to any political protest, because it costs deal of money for costs a great deal of money for the but problem is the police, but the problem is that don't think the police that i don't think the police are the that they are using the powers that they have the moment. when you have at the moment. when you have at the moment. when you have in the clip that have that man in the clip that we just saw saying, i support hamas, he's there is hamas, what he's doing there is

a criminal offence. it's a proscribed group. it's not like saying , know, support, saying, you know, you support, you women's institute you know, the women's institute or something, right? are or something, right? these are terrorists and terrorists that murder jews and rape women. and think we'd do rape women. and i think we'd do better for the police to enforce the already a sitting the laws. we already a sitting mp, jeremy corbyn, gave a speech today. >> and after that speech, the crowd cheered from the river to the sea. do you think it is appropriate for a sitting mp to be giving speeches in an environment where some people would argue, though, such open antisemitism? would he do it if there were, kkk were there were, if the kkk were there were, if the kkk were there screaming anti—black chants, example? chants, for example? >> total disgrace and >> it's a total disgrace and there's absolutely no way any mp, any elected official in uk politics should be advocating that kind of tone, that kind of language . that is not something. language. that is not something. i mean, you know, you'll get people that come on and interpret it in different ways. there's interpretation. okay? interpret it in different ways. tiise's interpretation. okay? interpret it in different ways. tiis offensive arpretation. okay? interpret it in different ways. tiis offensive to retation. okay? interpret it in different ways. tiis offensive to reta'jewishzay? it is offensive to the jewish people country. we've people of this country. we've seen another mike seen already another mp, mike freer , had his constituency freer, had his constituency office, know, a victim of an office, you know, a victim of an arson attack because of the way in which these protests are

ongoing. i mean, i think time is enough, you know, time is up. you know, the protests, they do need to come to an end. they're not achieving what or they are achieving actually. you achieving actually. or, you know, you can't just have a protest on the streets of london where to close where businesses have to close every you've got, every week, where you've got, you people like that you know, people like that crackpot that he crackpot shouting that he supports hamas, i never supports hamas, where i never thought i'd say this, but i agree benjamin. you know agree with benjamin. you know that is committing an that man is committing an offence. should be offence. the police should be stepping offence. the police should be ste|butg offence. the police should be ste|but diane, in on mike fi >> but diane, in on mike fi harrison just have absolutely. >> diane, there free speech >> diane, is there a free speech argument here? should we allow them continue name of them to continue in the name of free speech? >> well, i mean, we need to have the ability able to move the ability to be able to move as as the public to sort of as one, as the public to sort of to let the people know how we feel. as you were saying, feel. but as you were saying, when you have people, they only want way. we need want it one way. we need everybody to hear our but everybody to hear our idea, but we don't gb news we don't want gb news broadcasting any idea that is opposite to if they're not opposite to ours. if they're not willing to play by free speech rules, maybe they shouldn't be allowed to protest if they willingly try to silence other groups . is truly groups. how is that truly listening to any argument?

>> were both pro—palestine >> there were both pro—palestine and pro—israel protest out today. >> how terrified would you be as a member of the jewish community? just moving through parts of london today, going, oh, great, now i can't go down this way. i guess i'll have to take a round route of the blocks. like it's just not fair, because this aggression on, like you say, the word peaceful people, but there's always this nasty little small minority that seem to think it's their right to kick off and get violent. darren, would you ban the pro—israel protest too, well, i mean, there haven't been every week. >> well, there were today. i saw pro—israel protests, but i think pro—palestine, if they're protesting, you just ban the whole lot, darren wants us in lockdown. he wants all of us in lockdown. >> we're not allowed to go anywhere. >> do you do i know you hate people and that is understandable. >> i respect it, especially in london. no right. >> i'm going to go next. now i want to talk about the tale of

abdul ezedi, the, geordie asylum seeker. some like to say he wasn't actually a geordie, by the way. ezedi story, i think, highlights flaws in the asylum system and actually the misguided trust placed in it for a bit of background is eddie known for frequent frequenting his local halal butchers, received a muslim burial, revealing his professed confession or conversion rather to christianity as well as a deception. the his acid attack left a woman and her daughter with a well. i assume , lifelong with a well. i assume, lifelong scar overshadowing a previous sexual assault conviction in 2018, which, despite that, he got into the country. now you look at the fact that the narrative now is that christian ministers and the judiciary are fair game to for criticism, and i would accept that for being fooled by asylum seekers, asylum seekers claiming conversion to christianity . you've got other christianity. you've got other examples like ezedi. they've got

the islamist bomber al—suleiman, the islamist bomber al—suleiman, the judiciary. the islamist bomber al—suleiman, the judiciary . basically, the the judiciary. basically, the criticism of the judiciary here overlooked his criminal background. and of course, the church of england , i think, have church of england, i think, have a real case to answer. i don't think he should have ever been allowed into the country. i think other countries do this much better than we do. and actually i think the public deserve a hell of a lot better than what they've got . you were than what they've got. you were in government, charlie. i mean, that's not acceptable. >> surely not. >> surely it's not. >> surely it's not. >> someone like that in >> allow someone like that in the country. >> i mean, no, it's not. and i think everybody would be flabbergasted to know as to how to who had a sexual to someone who had a sexual conviction against them, who appued conviction against them, who applied into the applied twice to get into the uk, rejected and rightly so, uk, was rejected and rightly so, was unable to apply for a third time based on having just a different religion or, you know, pleading christianity and getting in and then to go on to commit that awful crime. there he is , that awful crime that you he is, that awful crime that you just outlined, i think everybody

across the country will be up in arms that again, the home office, which has got so many questions to answer , it's questions to answer, it's clearly not fit for purpose. it hasn't been since i think john reid, the labour home secretary, said in 2008, the home office isn't for purpose. and so isn't fit for purpose. and so i don't think it's a government thing necessarily in total. but the certainly to the home office certainly has to look practices. but look at its practices. but certainly church has certainly the church has to answer question as to why. answer the question as to why. it of took pity on it sort of just took pity on this fella who , as i say, this poor fella who, as i say, has been rejected twice and had a sexual conviction against him. but i guess the core question is, should we be should we provide asylum to people on religious provide asylum to people on reli because ultimately this >> because ultimately this case could again again could happen again and again with just pretending to with someone just pretending to be now there are be a christian. now there are parts of world where parts of the world where christians suffer christians do suffer persecution, christians may persecution, and christians may well to this country for well come to this country for asylum. but just having that sort of generous, compassionate approach asylum saying, if approach to asylum saying, if you are a christian, you can come here and seek asylum. does that mean that we're okay with the fact that the system can be

abused? darren, you're a christian. yeah. what do you think about it? well, i look, i think about it? well, i look, i think it's time to say that britain more. think it's time to say that briti in more. think it's time to say that briti think more. think it's time to say that briti think it's more. think it's time to say that briti think it's no more. think it's time to say that briti think it's no more e. think it's time to say that briti think it's no more asylum >> i think it's no more asylum seekers at all. no, because i and i genuinely that. and i genuinely mean that. i think we've got a massive housing crisis. there is no way for people to go for the native population i just, population to go. so i just, i think, no, i'm afraid we can't be the end destination for everybody wants come here. >> well, i think you can. i mean, i think you know everyone. well, not everybody, obviously. not but you not everybody. but i think, you know, you still allow people know, you can still allow people to into the country if they to come into the country if they are, they're seeking asylum are, if they're seeking asylum on just, on religious grounds. but just, you cold, hard facts you know, the cold, hard facts of case is that it's not of this case is that it's not very christian. if you've already got a sexual offence, you know, or that you've already committed and you've been convicted. so you know, convicted. i mean, so you know, he shouldn't have been the he shouldn't have been in the country regardless of his religion, he country regardless of his religapplying, he country regardless of his religapplying, what he country regardless of his religapplying, what grounds he was applying, on what grounds he should have in the country. >> well, i think the person who's not a christian here is darren, because the idea that you to profess love thy you claim to profess love thy neighbour, and yet someone who has in ways has been persecuted in ways we can't comprehend,

can't even bear to comprehend, let experience, if they let alone experience, if they would to your door. don't would come to your door. i don't think i'm talking think that. no, but i'm talking about. did say that. about. no, i did not say that. i'm about asylum seekers i'm talking about asylum seekers as were. you weren't just as you were. you weren't just talking about the that talking about him. the idea that someone through an someone who has been through an utterly life utterly horrifying life experience turns at your door experience turns up at your door and for help, and you think and asks for help, and you think it's christian thing to say, it's the christian thing to say, no, don't want i tell you no, i don't want to. i tell you what, are countries what, there are countries in this world have a lot less this world that have a lot less than britain. a lot less money, a lot less resource, sometimes less they still less space, and they still find time help and i think time to help others. and i think that's country britain that's the country britain should be. >> i think actually britain should that should be a country that actually own actually looks after its own people. we're not people. and actually we're not doing that. >> know, i think you insult >> you know, i think you insult the people of this country, people you insult them, don't you? do? because most people in this country are far kinder and far hospitable people in far more hospitable to people in hard what your views hard times than what your views on immigration are absolutely out order and no one out of the order and no one agrees with you. >> , if you look at the >> frankly, if you look at the pubuc >> frankly, if you look at the public polling. so i don't know what planet you think you're living on, to think people living on, to think that people watching this, will it be in agreement with who agrees agreement with you who agrees that we should have no asylum

seekers at all? >> the public. >> no. i mean, in the public. you just mentioned the public disagree i think disagree with benjamin. i think the public would disagree with you should have no you that we should have no asylum seekers whatsoever. i mean, the public was massively in the ukrainians and in favour of the ukrainians and the kongers coming here. the hong kongers coming here. for example, you would say no to all them well. all of them as well. >> no, i wouldn't actually >> well, no, i wouldn't actually not that scenario. not in that scenario. >> so changing your opinion? >> so changing your opinion? >> at all. because >> no, not at all. because that's grounds. >> didn't say religious >> you didn't say religious grounds. said you you grounds. you said you said you said asylum so, you said no asylum seekers. so, you know, to those people that came here, watched film the here, you watched this film the other about about about other day about about about about jewish immigrants about the jewish immigrants dunng about the jewish immigrants during the second world war. yeah, we only about 300 of them in that's i think it was 600 odd, but but you would turn those away from people that were escaping the persecution like that. think that is a deeply that. i think that is a deeply selfish nasty way to selfish and nasty way to approach selfish and nasty way to appdo ch what i can >> do you know what i can totally understand? because i've tried get another tried to get into another country to i had change job. country and to i had change job. i had to become a skilled migrant to get my residency in new you do have to new zealand. so you do have to change your circumstances.

however, it's a bit however, i do think it's a bit of numpty move. whoever of a numpty move. whoever stamped this guy's passport and said, yeah, it's like said, yeah, no, stay. it's like you oh yeah, no. do you you went, oh yeah, no. do you know what, alex? not for me anymore. i like the easter eggs and jesus and christmas. this is great. believed that? that's great. who believed that? that's ridiculous. thing ridiculous. but the good thing is mate mine is a muslim mate of mine said, don't worry, allah's to don't worry, allah's going to sort i was like, sort him out. i was like, thanks, mate . thanks, mate. >> yeah, you put a good word. >> yeah, you put a good word. >> can i just make one point that when he was that i think he got when he was assessed this christianity, assessed on this christianity, he the so he actually failed the test. so clearly the system was woefully he jesus was jacob he said, jesus, jesus was jacob or something that. or something like that. >> still to come >> but anyway, still to come tonight, parents be fined tonight, should parents be fined if kids rioting? if their kids go out rioting? and should eat your easter and should you eat your easter eggs one this weekend? eggs all in one go this weekend? but are the tories getting but next, are the tories getting it right on housing or taking us back to a dickensian britain? you're saturday five you're with the saturday five live

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emails about tonight's topics. geordie's written in. good evening, geordie. she says israel not attacking the israel are not attacking the palestinian they are palestinian people. they are fighting hamas, a recognised terrorist the terrorist entity. the pro—palestine hamas protests have been going on for almost six months. enough already. but keith says israel are committing genocide. stop blaming protesters gb news are the biggest bunch of fake news in this country. it took 24 years of protest to free nelson mandela. right now it's time for. >> thanks for watching. who have we got next? >> you've got me next. so there . >> you've got me next. so there. there's been a big law going through parliament about changing the rules of what renters rights can have. and one of the main things that's been proposed is that no fault evictions, which are as the name suggests, where a landlord can kick a tenant out without having to have any justification. they can simply get rid of them. and

the tenant has no rights. it's looking like that's going to be delayed for some months because landlords say that if it's passed, they're going to sell up and there won't be as many homes for people rent. now, the for people to rent. now, the proportion people in this proportion of people in this country renting has through country renting has gone through the in the last 20 years. the roof in the last 20 years. people are renting much longer into their lives when they've started to have a family. and so i think this is a serious problem that it is dickensian to have a law where people can be kicked out of the home that they're paying for, and lose the most basic security that we have in life. what do you think of that? darren >> look, i think moves that the country going in. you look >> look, i think moves that the co other going in. you look >> look, i think moves that the co other partsng in. you look >> look, i think moves that the co other parts of in. you look >> look, i think moves that the co other parts of the you look >> look, i think moves that the co other parts of the country,)k at other parts of the country, not just england. so you've got the moves, but you've also the tory moves, but you've also got, the proposals and got, the labour proposals and what's proposed in what's been proposed in scotland, have scotland, which is to have a potential 0% cap on being potential 0% cap on rents being able to raise them. now, i fear that that would mean that the marginal landlord, who isn't a massive property developer , massive property developer, they're not making megabucks, would then leave the marketplace

, which means that your statistic there of there being more people renting than ever before or what have you, they would be snookered because where do go now? you've just lost do they go now? you've just lost your landlord from the marketplace altogether because of your new regulations. so i'm afraid it's you that's taking us back to dickensian britain. >> well , first of all, rents >> well, first of all, rents have been rising much faster than inflation in general and also faster than mortgage rates have been going up. >> last year, rents rose by 16% in this country. this year they're rising at 9. that's triple what inflation is at the moment. and so that is an enormous burden on millions of people. and i think that we under estimate the kind of social problems that extreme house prices cost. there was a story this week that we have the highest housing costs of any developed country. and what that means is that people can't have kids, they can't have stability, they can't start businesses when

they can't start businesses when they want to take risks because all that money is going into a small pot of people that own second homes to rent. and i think causes massive think that causes massive problems. >> on, because i think >> oh, hang on, because i think you're contradicting yourself >> oh, hang on, because i think you're cc at radicting yourself >> oh, hang on, because i think you're cc at the :ting yourself >> oh, hang on, because i think you're cc at the startyourself >> oh, hang on, because i think you're cc at the start oerself >> oh, hang on, because i think you're cc at the start of the .f because at the start of the show, were saying that i'm show, you were saying that i'm a heartless swine for saying that i more i wouldn't let in any more asylum seekers. you're asylum seekers. yet you're saying, a house prices are saying, oh, a house prices are so do you think's so high, what do you think's going happen when we invite going to happen when we invite half the bloody world to our country ? country? >> w- e“- g fact is that we >> well, the fact is that we haven't been building homes. haven't been building any homes. you have built you know, we have built 4 million fewer homes in the last 40 equivalent million fewer homes in the last 40 countries. equivalent million fewer homes in the last 40 countries. rightjivalent million fewer homes in the last 40 countries. right that'st european countries. right that's a massive problem. now, helpfully, we have someone who's advised michael gove, the man behind this. do you think that delaying no fault evictions, that these problems are because landlords are threatening not to vote tory? >> no, i don't think that's that's right at all. you're absolutely right. first of all, look, we're not building enough homes in this country, but the government has said its target. i over about a million i think over about a million homes in over the course of the parliament. it's too not dissimilar to what the labour

party forward. so, party are putting forward. so, you building is you know, house building is always to be a problem always going to be a problem unless you get local councils, obviously. to approve the obviously. also to approve the planning you need to planning application you need to overrule first and overrule in the first place. and as national planning overrule in the first place. and as framework:ional planning overrule in the first place. and as framework thatl planning overrule in the first place. and as framework thatl plesureg policy framework that i'm sure will coming forward at will be be coming forward at some stage. but, you know, you can can can you can you can have can you seriously sit here and say that you are happy the you are happy with the conservatives record on housing? >> loyal as as >> i'm a loyal tory, as loyal as they i have not happy with they come. i have not happy with they come. i have not happy with the record the conservatives record on housing the last 14 years. housing over the last 14 years. you advised the man who is in charge of that policy, are you seriously here seriously sitting here and saying, oh, there's nothing wrong, hit our targets? wrong, we hit our targets? >> no, course not. there's >> no, of course not. there's a housing crisis, but there's been >> no, of course not. there's a h> no, of course not. there's a h> no, of course not. there's a h> no, of course not. there's a h

the new no fault evictions, you've make sure, because you've got to make sure, because there be lots of landlords there will be lots of landlords going through the criminal justice system, you justice system, because if you want a landlord, you've want to as a landlord, if you've got tenant, you've got to evict a tenant, you've got to evict a tenant, you've got make sure that that is got to make sure that that is a smoother process as possible and quickly to turn around you quickly to turn around so you don't court backlog on don't have a court backlog on the of no evictions. the back of no fault evictions. you've to fix that problem you've got to fix that problem first giving full first before giving full protections renters. first before giving full proyou ons renters. first before giving full proyou know, renters. first before giving full proyou know, down �*s. first before giving full proyou know, down the road from >> you know, down the road from me, they just built three me, they have just built three huge blocks of flats right? i mean, great. mean, it's great. >> remember when it >> i mean, i remember when it was just a wasteland. >> big is how many do >> how big is huge? how many do you know? >> at least eight >> oh, like at least eight floors. and there's four, i mean fag packet i reckon maybe, fag packet maths i reckon maybe, what, at least. what, 70 apartments at least. >> it's got this weird thing >> but it's got this weird thing where you can't own it in its entirety. you have to have a shared and the shared leasehold and the shared ownership and this is such a crime as well, because the houses are being built. but the way that they're being sold is, is , is, is awful being sold is, is, is, is awful because these people are then forever locked into this financial agreement with somebody and hard to somebody and it's hard to actually sell that house.

>> yeah. and i think that shows the scale of problem the scale of the problem that people typically about people can buy, typically about 25% of the property because they don't have chance in london of don't have a chance in london of buying the whole thing. now all that does is fuel demand, not supply. so pushes prices supply. and so it pushes prices up now, i have to be up further. now, i have to be honest you , and i know some honest with you, and i know some people think i hate old people. so sorry, but like i had heard, i had heard we have a problem. we have a problem that there are so many people in this country that already own their own lovely homes, often in nice areas, and they will block anything new being developed. they would hate having that block of flats at the end of their street, because they don't want their view to be disturbed. they want their club they don't want their golf club to don't to be disturbed. they don't want, land that want, frankly, rubbish land that nothing's need a nothing's on it. and you need a government that takes away that power but power from local people. but it's the only way to resolve it. >> okay, we'll leave that one there. >> still though. there. >> your though. there. >> your easterthough. you there. >> your easter eggs h. you there. >> your easter eggs all you there. >> your easter eggs all in you there. >> your easter eggs all in one eat your easter eggs all in one go? and nhs doctor has advised against it. and of course that's gone all, all gone down very

well lovable types on well with those lovable types on social plus as kids run social media. plus as kids run riot in milton keynes, should parents be made to pay the penalty for the feral beasts that they birthed ? that they birthed? >> you're with the sir

gb news. >> welcome back to the saturday five. your emails offline in as usual. thank you very much for them. mary says you probably won't want to hear this. oh, dean won't want to hear this. oh, dear. but all the terrible troubles around the world is actually prophecies in the bible. there is nothing we can do except to pray for the salvation of souls. oh, we'll be on a long time with yours. >> now it's time for our next debate. >> who's up next? >> who's up next? >> well, i'll take this one, if that's okay, darren, because i think your viewers might have seen in milton keynes the only the other day that over 300 school kids ran amuck across the

shopping . they ran riot, shopping centre. they ran riot, terrifying shoppers and shopkeepers alike , where the shopkeepers alike, where the police had to come down and issue a dispersal order. and i think it's now time when you have these unruly kids that the parents who couldn't be bothered to educate their kids in a particular decent particular way, the decent standards adhere to standards that we all adhere to in terms of public life, i think it's time parents need it's now time that parents need to cough up for the bad behaviour of their feral beasts. as put earlier on. and as you put it earlier on. and i think that's just i just think that's way that we need to that's the way that we need to go. we to bring parents in go. we need to bring parents in to that. have we there was to watch that. have we there was a i think, earlier on that a clip, i think, earlier on that might shown again, but might be shown again, but i think is just time. the think it is just time. the parents there it is. 300 outsiders, in school outsiders, all in school uniform. shoppers, as outsiders, all in school usaidm. shoppers, as outsiders, all in school usaid before shoppers, as outsiders, all in school usaid before there.shoppers, as outsiders, all in school usaid before there. and pers, as outsiders, all in school usaid before there. and you as outsiders, all in school usaid before there. and you can i said before there. and you can just imagine being in that shopping centre milton keynes just imagine being in that sh0jwhencentre milton keynes just imagine being in that sh0jwhen you're milton keynes just imagine being in that sh0jwhen you're doing on keynes just when you're doing your, your shop and, i didn't your weekly shop and, i didn't think so. i didn't i didn't know what i was thinking. >> i don't apologise to anyone from milton keynes . from milton keynes. >> look, charlie, i agree in principle that parents need to

take more responsibility for their children, perhaps fining parents would kick them up the backside in order for them to do that more. but i suppose the question is if the parent is someone who can't afford to pay this fine and therefore they pay the fine, and it means that they can't afford food or they can't afford their bills, what does that actually do to help the situation? >> it means that the child will be so tired it can't run around like a feral beast because it's had no food. >> wow. >> wow. >> so what? we we what you. >> so what? we what we what you. >> so what? we what we what you. >> stop! yes i am joking, >> yeah. stop! yes i am joking, i am joking, i mean, i was a secondary school teacher, and i'm telling you right now, those kids, now that they have access to social media, tiktok, they can organise their own happenings as much as they like . happenings as much as they like. >> this is what's happened here. >> this is what's happened here. >> oh, definitely. they've all kind of got on to a little whatsapp group and they've got what would you do about that in your what would you do about that in youwould you? is it tiktok? >> would you? is it tiktok? that's the problem? >> i don't think that tiktok is

the i think that the problem. i think that there is definitely something is there's definitely something here pretty sure here like that. i'm pretty sure that this would have been something was connected in something that was connected in cyberspace. this is something where together where they've all got together and the motive? and like, what was the motive? did anybody find out why these 300 went nuts? 300 kids went nuts? >> because they can. >> well, because they can. >> well, because they can. >> but is it because >> yeah, but is it just because they can? it just because they can? is it just because they can? is it just because they wanted create this whole they wanted to create this whole thing? been thing? and now they've been on the to do the news? are they going to do it again? >> but organising things on social media isn't anything new. i the in the riots in i mean, in the in the riots in 2011, doing it on 2011, people were doing it on bbm. now they're doing it bbm. now they're just doing it on whatsapp or tiktok. so i don't think social media is a new thing. >> problem. new thing. >> when)blem. new thing. >> when them. new thing. >> when the children use social media organise it, like when media to organise it, like when you make a mess social media, you make a mess on social media, do have fine parents? do we have to fine your parents? well the question, benjamin. >> and what do you think about that, though, diane? >> think that's >> i don't think that's appropriate at all. >> i don't think that's appl)priate at all. >> i don't think that's app! don'tz at all. >> i don't think that's app! don't iat all. that the >> i don't i think that the parents under enough parents are already under enough pressure trying to raise their kids, have the job, get their kids, have the job, get their kids school and tell you kids to school and tell you what, when kids come back what, when those kids come back home and the parents have been watching news and have watching the news and they have spotted child, know

spotted their child, you know what? do think there's not what? do not think there's not going be any retaliation. going to be any retaliation. >> are those parents under that much getting much pressure, getting their kids because kids to behave because it doesn't like it's doesn't look like it's happening? know, ask happening? you know, i would ask the question of good the the question of how good are the parents that the kids that parents that have the kids that are out there behaving are going out there behaving like this? really care like this? do they really care about kids? are they about their kids? are they really disciplining them? let really disciplining them? so let me, tell you me, because i'll tell you what, i have behaved like i would never have behaved like that raised by that because i was raised by people were strict. it just people that were strict. it just it wouldn't mattered. what it wouldn't have mattered. what by weren't you? >> so is ita you? >> so is it a generational thing in that maybe just parents aren't as strict as perhaps older generations? wait minute. >> most parents are >> i think most parents are perfectly capable. >> not convinced that >> i'm just not convinced that the of some of those the parents of some of those kids so i would also kids are. and so i would also wonder you know, the fine wonder you know, would the fine do anything? because if these wonder you know, would the fine do iparents|? because if these wonder you know, would the fine do parents that cause if these wonder you know, would the fine do parents that aren't if these are parents that aren't seriously the seriously engaging with the responsibility they have, is an £80 affect. £80 fine going to affect. >> oh, have made massive >> oh, you have made massive sweeping statements about the ability of these people. this is horrendous. >> okay. so me this >> okay. so let me get this straight. this straight. let me get this straight. let me get this straight. one point. not straight. not one point. not a one point with little benjamin growing he ever do growing up, did he ever do anything slightly naughty? >> once i never had

>> i never once i never had a detention in my life. >> no, no, i didn't ask >> no, no, no, i didn't ask that. >> i mean, ask if you would get a school detention for something if it. if you did it. >> didn't ask if you got found out. >> i mean, i was obsessively well—behaved. >> i really was really. >> i really was really. >> i really was really. >> i don't know what's in the water this evening, but i agree with benjamin again. >> do. with benjamin again. >> i do. with benjamin again. >> i don't do. with benjamin again. >> i don't knowo. with benjamin again. >> i don't know what's come over me. i don't know what's come over me. but i agree with benjamin. these are people who should be parents. frankly, should not be parents. frankly, they they have they haven't got the they have not time. clearly not got the time. they clearly haven't ability to pay. haven't got the ability to pay. if cannot do the if they cannot do the fundamentals disciplining fundamentals of disciplining their to make sure that their child to make sure that they run through they don't run amok through society, that they don't go running, through running, rampage through shopping centres, that they behave these are behave badly. but these are the people these people people i'm these are the people that should you know, their that should be, you know, their kids come your kids would come to your classroom secondary school classroom as a secondary school teacher give you hell teacher and they'd give you hell day as pupil. those day after day as a pupil. those parents to be absolutely parents need to be absolutely read riot act. they need to read the riot act. they need to pay read the riot act. they need to pay for their kids poor pay up for their kids poor behaviour. >> no idea what these >> you have no idea what these children have no idea. >> terrors? obviously. terrors. they're running. running riot. >> there a moment. it was a

>> there was a moment. it was a moment that they took part moment that they all took part in, and they all went, oh my god, we're going to do it. we're going to even the most going to do it. even the most well behaved kid like that one over there just got away over there that just got away with the whole time, the with it the whole time, even the most and most well behaved kid. and what about were joining in about the poor were joining in because was exciting. because it was exciting. >> about the poor >> but what about the poor pensioner benjamin pensioner who i know benjamin loves our pensioners, obviously, but the poor pensioners that were going shopping just peacefully that afternoon had had screaming and had 300 kids screaming and shouting, security shouting, confronting security and a joke. and i just a joke. >> but you can't the >> but you can't blame the parents. i mean, one of the arguments finding the arguments for finding the parents that this have parents is that this will have had real cost to the had a very real cost to the area. >> so there's the policing cost. there's the cost of criminal damage have damage that is likely to have happened. of happened. there's the cost of anything from anything was stolen from those shops. and we've seen lots of examples where you get these tiktok riots, go tiktok arranged riots, they go into they things. into shops, they steal things. those costs that are those are all costs that are being borne by other people in that so someone that community. so someone should that community. so someone shoso agree that community. so someone sho so agree with that community. so someone shoso agree with darren, we >> so you agree with darren, we should lockdown. >> so you agree with darren, we sho look, lockdown. >> so you agree with darren, we sho look, i lockdown. >> so you agree with darren, we sho look, i just lockdown. >> so you agree with darren, we sho look, i just think, wn. >> so you agree with darren, we sholook, i just think, darren, >> look, i just think, darren, we need to stop the children. >> they were all in uniform. they were all school uniform,

they were all in school uniform, weren't is that not weren't they? so is that not something the school could do? like detention, for like a mass detention, for example, could maybe be. example, which could maybe be. no, because then you're doing this again. >> created prison >> then you've created a prison scenario where they'll all learn each tricks. scenario where they'll all learn eacall tricks. scenario where they'll all learn eacall right.tricks. scenario where they'll all learn eacall right. okay let us know >> all right. okay let us know what you think at home. still ahead, though, lizzo michael ahead, though, lizzo and michael jackson in our jackson both feature in our showbiz roundup with nelson. aspen, our man in the states and next. an nhs boss has warned us about how many easter eggs we eat this weekend. sensible advice or the nanny state gone mad? you're with

welcome back to the saturday five, as always. thank you very much for your emails. judith has written in. good evening, judith, she says, why do we need so many new houses when the other issue is that the british are not having enough children who are the houses for and at what cost? elizabeth says, you suggest that maybe the parents

should be penalised for their children's behaviour. of course, the answer is yes , but i get the answer is yes, but i get tired of hearing the words could, should , hope, might. but could, should, hope, might. but the end game is won't hmm'hmm now it's time for our next debate. who's going to finish off the hour? >> that'll be me . what can >> that'll be me. what can i say, i'm good at finishing . so, say, i'm good at finishing. so, doctor andrew kelso recently made waves because what did he do as a consultant neurologist, he wrote in a blog, an nhs blog that, hey , guys, easter is that, hey, guys, easter is coming up. and you know those lovely big eggs that you like? don't eat them all at once. have a lovely easter goodbye . and the a lovely easter goodbye. and the backlash that this man has received on social media has turned the milk chocolate very sour. turned the milk chocolate very sour . what i find amazing is sour. what i find amazing is that some people are like, hey, we've got to save the nhs, and yet they refuse to even just save the last half of the kit—kat for later. so i've come up with a little, trivia

question for our debate, and you can play along at home. so, gentlemen, please reveal all your numbers to the cameras. now for everyone to see the first part of our little quiz. and you can play along at home. how many calories is in this egg ? calories is in this egg? >> and it's one of these and it's one of these numbers. >> so go. >> so go. >> i reckon it's 790. not just because i'm holding it, because thatis because i'm holding it, because that is actually what i think this is a hollow chocolate egg. >> it's completely hollow. >> it's completely hollow. >> you want to >> charlie's, do you want to feel weight ? feel the weight? >> 40 it's not that long. >> 40 it's not that long. >> sighs my i think it's 790. i think it's seven. but if i were to go with another one i'd say 970. wow >> you've all gone quite >> so you've all gone quite okay. i just okay. brilliant. well can i just say of all, you all got it say first of all, you all got it beautifully right, which is quite good. >> right? quite good. >> but1t? quite good. >> but can you guess? all right then, you're then, next question. so you're that then, next question. so you're tha okay . >> okay. >> okay. >> how many calories is this? it's a burger with two burger patties, bacon on top and cheese i >> -- >> oh, it looks delicious. i

wish you'd actually bought a real one in because that's definitely 15 1500. >> i reckon it's that one. >> i reckon it's that one. >> okay. >> okay. >> are we are we are we ready? are we happy? >> yes. i don't even know what i've got. >> round five. >> round five. >> it is actually 400. >> it is actually 400. >> so can we now please just >> no. so can we now please just compare. we have the burger at 440 and the egg at 790. do we still think that the doctor was wrong? >> definitely a secondary school teacher now. shocked that there is so much more calorific than this. >> hollow, so less calorific. darling, it's less. >> yes, that's right. calorific. a double patty is a double patty as well. you say with bacon and cheese? yes. >> now , if we added the sweets. >> now, if we added the sweets. these are sugar. nice sweets that came with the egg. if we add skittles, they are sweets that are available. many are available. and if they were available, to eat, what would if you ate the egg and the sweets, what would we go to? >> what's 970, surely. >> what's 970, surely. >> oh, right. yeah >> oh, right. yeah >> because sweets aren't actually that calorific.

>> so they are. if you eat enough of them. there's only about five in there. >> yeah, you could correct. >> yeah, you could correct. >> which means that you are left holding the daily calorie requirements a seven year requirements for a seven year old child. so when we look at it, we've actually if you ate that whole egg in one go and you're a seven year old child, you've eaten half your calorie allowance and it's 164, nine for allowance and it's 164, nine for a boy and one 530 for a girl, because where's one 590 come from? because i added them together and then came up with a binary child or a non—binary child. >> yeah, yeah, i came up with a mystical child. so that was round . round. >> zach, don't get darren started on trans children. so there's no such thing. i mean, i think that's a really powerful way of pointing it out because of course, my first instinct having eaten an easter egg more than just on easter for that for a long time. right, was that, you know, it's such a normal thing. it's such a casual thing to eat. i don't really think

about eating an easter egg, certainly not this weekend, but actually maybe does actually that maybe he does have actually that maybe he does have a that is actually a point, that that is actually an amount of one day an incredible amount of one day of year. of the year. >> benjamin butterworth, why are we so miserable? that's we being so miserable? that's almost don't almost like saying, oh, don't open presents on christmas, open your presents on christmas, because otherwise you won't feel thankful anything else you thankful for anything else you get for the rest the year. get for the rest of the year. >> no, i have another argument to that, because of the sugar content, just to the content, i just want to eat the 999 content, i just want to eat the egg now. you see, sugar is composed when it's granulated egg now. you see, sugar is compo it's when it's granulated egg now. you see, sugar is compo it's composedgranulated egg now. you see, sugar is compo it's composedgra 50%:ed sugar. it's composed of 50% fructose, glucose. your fructose, 50% glucose. your liver stop absorbing liver cannot stop absorbing fructose, which means that you are more likely to get a fatty liver. now, this doctor, what did you call me? >> day of the year? >> day of the year? >> yes, because it just keeps pumping into your system. my point is , is that i'm not saying point is, is that i'm not saying don't enjoy easter. i'm saying make easter last longer. don't enjoy easter. i'm saying make easter last longer . just make easter last longer. just make easter last longer. just make easter last longer. just have like, can i ask a question

then to the panel who has ever had, say, a chocolate bar like a sort of big, bigger one? >> you know, i'm not talking little. >> the ones they ironically call sharing packs or a sharing pack. >> chocolate, you said, has one of those and then left a little bit for later. >> i mean, but i don't >> never. i mean, but i don't really have the sharing packets of crisps, you know, there's massive packets and massive packets of crisps and i'll eat whole thing i'll just eat the whole thing and it always says, oh, this serves five. and then i finish it and i'm like, well, that's just a really unhelpful piece of information . information. >> yeah, but that's because you're always running around yelling like , maybe yelling at people like, maybe that's why. >> thing is, you can eat >> the thing is, you can eat what you if you go the what you like if you go to the gym. >> @ one of the problems >> i think one of the problems is that is really is that sugar is really addictive. i am addictive. yes. and i am definitely to sugar. i definitely addicted to sugar. i get shakes if i haven't had get the shakes if i haven't had it, get yeah, i do, i get it it, i get yeah, i do, i get it really badly . it, i get yeah, i do, i get it really badly. i eat a lot. >> that's the sugar. >> that's the sugar. >> i eat a lot at my age. i eat a lot of sugar and i find it. i did a programme about a year and a half ago, where i went vegan, and part of it was that i came

off all the sugar. now i literally fainted a couple of times in the first week. that was how bad my withdrawal from sugar but i felt fantastic. sugar was. but i felt fantastic. a later. now, a couple of weeks later. now, eventually discovered fried eventually i discovered fried chicken again and chicken and chocolate again and returned old ways. but returned to my old ways. but i think, you know, sugar can really you. but because really damage you. but because it's cultural we've it's such a cultural norm, we've we've kind of ignored the reality. >> i think we just have a lot of portion distortion. that's portion distortion. and that's what was what doctor andrew kelso was trying out. he was trying to point out. he was trying to point out. he was trying point out us that trying to point out to us that although, the egg is hollow although, like the egg is hollow and you think it's not very much because it's hollow and it's so light, just be light, you've got to just be aware if you're having aware that if you're also having breakfast, dinner and breakfast, lunch and dinner and then you're giving that to a little child, no wonder there's 300 through 300 kids running through a shopping in milton keynes. shopping mall in milton keynes. if all one of these, if they've all had one of these, they'll going for hours. they'll be going for hours. >> know that >> but you, you know, know that eating much sugar as do eating as much sugar as you do is but you still do it is bad, but you still do it despite the advice. so what's the point in the advice if no one listens? >> the advice is >> well, the advice is important, can say important, but can i just say i get annoyed if the easter egg doesn't inside doesn't have something inside it? like, okay, okay. it? you know, like, okay, okay.

>> i'm very careful what >> and i'm very careful what i put in my mouth. >> still to come tonight, benjamin abby will be going benjamin and abby will be going head the garrick club. >> not sure why, but doubt either of them are in contention. next our favourite showbiz journalist, nelson osbourne, to talk osbourne, will be here to talk about lil what a trio about lil lil lizzo. what a trio he the saturday five live on he was the saturday five live on gb that warm feeling inside from >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. >> sponsors of weather on gb news is . news is. >> hello there! welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast from the met office. we're looking ahead for the rest of easter. i think the best of the sunshine really is going to be reserved for more northern parts of the country. for the south, especially as we come into easter monday, it's looking at very there at the very wet. so out there at the moment, we've still got low pressure that's pressure in charge and that's bringing in another band of heavy more heavy showers across more southwestern parts the southwestern parts of the country will its way country that will spread its way towards northern ireland as we end the night. elsewhere, plenty of so a of clear skies, so that's a perfect recipe fairly perfect recipe for a fairly chilly night. touch of frost chilly night. a touch of frost across scotland with some misty

low just beginning to move low cloud just beginning to move in across parts of the east. so we do start easter day off a we do start easter day off on a fairly sunny note across many central parts of the country. the cloud across the east will gradually just spread its way a little bit further westward. so for many central and eastern parts of england rather parts of england are rather grey. afternoon to come with some spots of rain brighter further west and especially so for scotland and northern ireland. a mixture sunny ireland. here a mixture of sunny spells and scattered showers, temperatures in sunshine temperatures in the sunshine reaching 14 or 15 degrees into easter monday. a pretty wet picture for a lot of england and wales. some of the rain will be quite heavy, could turn brighter later on down towards the southwest, but again the best of the brightness will be for scotland northern ireland, scotland and northern ireland, with a mixture of sunny spells and showers. and unfortunately, the changeable theme does look like will continue as we head like it will continue as we head into and also wednesday . into tuesday and also wednesday. >> looks like things are heating up boxt boiler showers sponsors of weather on

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officials escorting around 300 people to dover. today after intercepting them, the home office says french police are facing growing dangers as they attempt to intervene , saying attempt to intervene, saying they're experiencing higher levels of violence and disruption on the northern shores of france . the interim shores of france. the interim dup leader, gavin robinson , has dup leader, gavin robinson, has told colleagues the party isn't about any one individual, saying instead it exists to build a better and stronger northern ireland. it follows the resignation of sir jeffrey donaldson, who's been charged with historical sexual offences. the police service in northern ireland has since warned against any speculation on social media, saying anything that leads to the identification of victims is a crime and will be treated as such. it's understood. sir jeffrey told dup officials he'll strenuously contest all the allegations against him . allegations against him. counter—terrorism police are investigating the stabbing of an exiled iranian journalist in

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going forward tonight. bad news is you'll lose an hour of sleep with the time shifting forward at about 1:00. the good news, though, it signals the beginning of bst british summertime , which of bst british summertime, which means longer evenings and brighter ahead . that's the brighter days ahead. that's the news. for the latest stories, do sign up to gb news alerts, scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. common alerts . to gb news. common alerts. >> it's saturday night and you're back with the saturday five. i'm darren grimes, and i can promise that you're in for another very lively hour. let's crack on with tonight's first guest. we're going to start this hour by crossing the pond for some showbiz news, and we'll have to start with the singer lizzo, who says she's quitting because she is constantly up against lies. i wonder what benjamin butterworth has said to her. that comes a day after she was criticised for headlining a fundraiser for president joe biden. but she's quitting music

or quitting social media. which one is it? what's going on? and who better to ask than our favourite showbiz guru, the journalist and author nelson aspen . good evening nelson. so aspen. good evening nelson. so tell us what is what is your take on lizzo? >> well, good to see you guys. i have my own personal history with lizzo. we can get to that later. but no sooner did she get off the stage at radio city music hall performing for that multimillion fundraiser music hall performing for that mu president fundraiser music hall performing for that mu president biden, fundraiser music hall performing for that mu president biden, then aiser music hall performing for that mu president biden, then she' for president biden, then she made this rather and made this rather cryptic and lengthy instagram post. and, you know, you just said, is she quitting music? is she quitting social music, social media? but i think what's more concerning is the language. she said is the language. when she said it's starting to feel like the world doesn't want me in it, i didn't sign up for this expletive. i quit. didn't sign up for this expletive. i quit . so that expletive. i quit. so that caused her millions of social media followers to be concerned for her mental state. you know, is she is she going to do some sort of self—harm even far reaching, as paris hilton tried

to reassure her on instagram. so there there is some kind of concern. she was facing criticism because of performing for president biden , that that for president biden, that that would somehow make her pro—war, because the fundraiser was interrupted by pro—palestinian groups. but she does face a lot of bullying because of her weight, because of her race, and because of her outspokenness. she's also facing a lawsuit by some of her ex backup dancers, alleging sexual harassment. so she's got a lot on her plate , she's got a lot on her plate, and i think she needs to hire a social media manager. so she doesn't get her hands dirty with the messiness of social media. >> so was that the other piece of drama at the fundraiser then, that the fact that the stage was stormed full of drama, was it really everything was snarled here. >> you know, the elite hollywood groups were fundraising for three presidents, while former president trump was attending the wake of a slain nypd officer who was tragically killed. >> does that tell you everything

you need to know? >> i'll leave that to viewer's discretion. >> very upsetting. and a strange dichotomy between, one group and the other. as if we're not divided enough. >> well , there we are. >> well, there we are. >> well, there we are. >> right. and then there was the michael jackson biopic, which is coming out, but it's apparently causing a fair bit of controversy, is it not? >> well, anything anything surrounding the so—called king of pop controversy follows. >> i mean, i was live on the air the day he passed away. i was reporting about farrah fawcett's death when i got the news in my ear he had passed away and ear that he had passed away and i stayed on the air for seven hours. and then the next year of my life, i was running from neverland ranch to forest lawn cemetery, to the downtown la. courthouse air courthouse to his bel air mansion. where michael mansion. i mean, where michael jackson controversy always jackson went. controversy always followed , that's the case followed, and that's the case with however, i would with the film. however, i would say most encouraging bit say the most encouraging bit about production and about the film's production and it underway is that it's from it is underway is that it's from the producers of bohemian

rhapsody , and we all celebrated rhapsody, and we all celebrated seeing the life of freddie mercury portrayed as beautifully as it was . told in that film. so as it was. told in that film. so i do have some high hopes for this film, and we will see. we'll see. warts and all, we are told. in fact, in the press release it says it's riveting and an honest portrayal, an epic cinematic film will examine cinematic film that will examine his tragedies . so his triumphs and tragedies. so hopefully will get a fair hopefully we will get a fair recounting the story . his recounting of the story. his son, prince jackson, is involved on behalf of himself and the siblings to make sure the story is told in the jackson point of view. >> right . >> right. >> right. >> some people call beyonce the 21st century michael jackson. obviously, she just released her new album, cowboy carter. i think it's had the highest debut on spotify so far this year, with over 76 million streams. how has nashville taken beyonce releasing a country album ? releasing a country album? >> the statistics are staggering and at the end of the day , it and at the end of the day, it really is the bottom line that

will prove her staying power in the country music genre. and you know, there was as as as beyonce herself expected. there was racist pushback when she broke into the country music world and her new album, country cowboy. carter actually has 27 tracks and celebrates a lot of the sort of pioneering black female country artists that came before beyonce. country artists that came before beyonce . but she's so talented beyonce. but she's so talented and much of the music is so wonderful that i think she will, eclipse any of the critics. it also helps that she has the support of none other than dolly parton. i mean, dolly parton's seal of approval will generally smooth over anything. i mean, the woman helped find a vaccine for covid, for goodness sake. but miley cyrus, willie nelson, everybody is on board with this . everybody is on board with this. not surprisingly, including vice president kamala harris, who says that beyonce is helping country music reclaim its black roots. that said , i will say

roots. that said, i will say it's almost impossible to listen to texas hold'em and not, you know, dance a little bit. >> she's done some, she's done some covers of famous country songs like jolene by dolly parton, also a beatles song , parton, also a beatles song, river dance, i believe. what do you make of these covers? has she put her own twist on them, or are the originals still the best? >> well, i mean, that's, he said she said kind of thing, but i think there's room for interpretation on her version of the beatles. blackbird is completely different from the beatles version, obviously, but it sort of bridging the generational gaps. and it it takes on a new meaning for beyonce's audience, which there may not be many crossovers from the beatles audience to beyonce's audience , but that's, beyonce's audience, but that's, that's what spreads the word and makes it interesting. so i'm fully in support of beyonce doing country music . look at doing country music. look at what it did for, taylor swift. >> all right. nelson, aspen, thank you very much, as ever, for your insight there. now i'm going to turn to the panel and i

want to ask you that question. then that nelson posed there, which was on the image difference between president trump being at this memorial for a fallen police slain police officer , and then the three officer, and then the three former presidents of the democratic party at this elite, multi—millionaire pop show shindig. rather, do you think that there is a do you see optically , it looks bad, like optically, it looks bad, like you can't deny that that it looks bad. >> but at the same time, there may be another day where trump is there doing his old little ymca dance shooting his ak 47 and biden is there. like handing out weapons and food to the ukraine. so this must make even you see president trump in a different light. >> a man of the people. >> a man of the people. >> he's not a man of the people at all. i mean, look, president trump is the guy that when he was visiting france, refused to go and visit the graves of american soldiers that had died

and that wouldn't go there because it was pouring with rain. i mean, this is not a man who has any serious sense of service respect at all. service or respect at all. i dare say the only reason that he might have done what he did the other precisely for other day is precisely for the opfics other day is precisely for the optics manipulation . optics manipulation. >> yes, that is a much more likely scenario, because trump only uses people. he uses whatever groups he wants to use to get ahead. and then as soon as they sort go, wait as they sort of go, wait a minute, you're not the guy you said you were. he turns on them and all their fault. so and it's all their fault. so yeah, it makes more sense, actually, that his people found yeah, it makes more sense, actlthat that his people found yeah, it makes more sense, actlthat they his people found yeah, it makes more sense, actlthat they his pgoing found yeah, it makes more sense, actlthat they his pgoing t0|nd yeah, it makes more sense, actlthat they his pgoing to be out that they were going to be at concert and they quickly at this concert and they quickly arranged something. hang on, hang arranged something. hang on, harwell, i'll be i'll ask you >> well, i'll be i'll ask you this question, but how how can it be right? right that the democrats to democrats were supposed to be that to the that they purport to be the party of working class? now, party of the working class? now, a lot of people watching this, we heard of lizzo. been there. other blah other characters, blah blah, blah, money blah, multi—million money swirling about biden's swirling all about for biden's presidential coffers . do you presidential coffers. do you actually think that there is an obvious race disparity, like

there is in this country where some people argue labour isn't for the working class anymore? the democrats certainly aren't, are they? >> well, i think when it comes to american politics, politics and money are very much linked together in a way which is not in same in the united in the same in the united kingdom. i don't you can kingdom. i don't think you can say republican party say that the republican party isn't with isn't swirling around with money, either, when you've literally billionaire literally got a billionaire who's going to be the who's probably going to be the next of united next president of the united states america, think it's states of america, i think it's a problem the american a problem with the american political system, not necessarily problem unique to necessarily a problem unique to the democrats. but i will say on this particular issue, can we just call a trump win a win? i mean, i'm not a supporter of trump at all, but in this instance, you know, he was at this he was at an event for a fallen police officer , whilst fallen police officer, whilst the other former democratic presidents were at a hollywood knees up. i mean, the optics are terrible. this is a trump win , terrible. this is a trump win, let's just call it that. oh yeah. >> albie's absolutely right. and in the run up to an election year when the polls are so

tight, they might not be in this country at the minute. but, you know, certainly america, when know, certainly in america, when anything got anything can happen, you've got to your game. you've got to be on your game. you've got to be on your game. you've got to make sure that every vote counts. having these kinds counts. and having these kinds of, you know, shindigs, as you put you know, an put it, versus, you know, an opfics put it, versus, you know, an optics of president trump actually tribute actually paying a tribute to someone. this matters to the voters. and does it does m atter. >> matter. >> is this political naivety then on the democrats part, do you it was organised by you think it was organised by benjamin butterworth? >> benjamin >> well, i anything benjamin organises and invites me to i tend decline. so tend to decline. so >> right. i mean look the only reason will done >> right. i mean look the only reasis will done >> right. i mean look the only reasis for will done >> right. i mean look the only reasis for the will done >> right. i mean look the only reasis for the optics. done >> right. i mean look the only reasis for the optics. butdone >> right. i mean look the only reasis for the optics. but of1e this is for the optics. but of course it's so easily done the other way around. you know, he has rallies, you know, has endless rallies, you know, few, few successful people really him, people, not really like him, but people, not lizzo. it. that's lizzo. oh, come off it. that's just nonsense. just complete nonsense. >> billionaire with his >> he's a billionaire with his own members club. he's not a man of the people, so he can't be bought. >> beau biden is bought by vested interests. >> beau biden is bought by vested you rests. >> beau biden is bought by vested you were saying that trump >> so you were saying that trump was a man of the people? >> do most ordinary men have their clubs in their own members clubs in florida ? florida? >> well, i have no idea. i've never been to florida.

>> yeah, i think the is >> yeah, i think the answer is that's you're for. that's what you're looking for. i'll i'll take. i'll i'll take you. i'll take. i'll take you. >> i like the governor but, you know, this was this event with with, the three presidents with lizzo was a fundraiser. >> and that is an absolutely essential part of the us. so it was a sop to tiktok. >> look at president biden. isn't he hip down with the kids whilst he's walking around needing a bloody zimmerframe? >> i don't think >> well, actually, i don't think you hate the elderly you should hate on the elderly like oh. like that. oh. >> how the tables have turned right. >> we're going to have to leave that one there, but i'm sure the viewers have got plenty of opinions on that. still to come tonight is it all over for tv comedy, but next, should women be allowed to join the garrick club again ? club again? >> would they even want you if they could? friendship is about to go out the window of two old pals here, benjamin and i'll be going head to head in our saturday scrap you with the

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gb news. welcome back to the saturday five as ever. thank you so much for all of your emails about tonight's topics. and, boy, have there been some we delved into there been some we delved into the calories in easter eggs with diana lee earlier , and helen has diana lee earlier, and helen has said we would eat a chocolate 999 said we would eat a chocolate egg a day. >> oh, i mean, that is such a treat for a week as kids at easter 50 years ago. >> guess what? none of us were overweight. the majority of people were not overweight because in between easter and christmas we ate healthy food and we were always out playing. exactly. it's a good point. and kids are too scared. well, our parents are too scared to let their go out these days. their kids go out these days. >> oh, apart the milton >> oh, apart from the milton keynes well , yeah, that's true. >> rob says. hi gang. it's 858 calories in a double burger, you need to check .

need to check. >> you see, i got that directly off the seller's website. it's a popular fast food chain that's available in the uk . available in the uk. >> no no no, no, not there . not >> no no no, no, not there. not that one. >> no no no no, the royal one. >>— >> no no no no, the royal one. >> okay. what is the royal one? >> okay. what is the royal one? >> it's in the king. >> it's in the king. >> wimpy. mr wimpy. >> wimpy. mr wimpy. >> he said he was loving the show though. so thank you rob. now it's time for our next debate. it's time for the main event, the garrick club . now, event, the garrick club. now, it's not one that we're all frequenting, but the garrick club has come under fire for only allowing men to be members, and seven women have been nominated as possible candidates for membership. if the rules are changed, so should us blokes have a exclusive club or is it a total anachronism ? it's time for total anachronism? it's time for albie, the aa man amankona and benjamin float like a butterworth, sting like a bee to lock horns. seconds out . it's

lock horns. seconds out. it's round one. >> quite often on this channel we talk about the importance of single—sex spaces and single—sex spaces are important. they're spaces are important. they're spaces that people can be in with other people who are like them , with other people who them, with other people who share similar experiences to them, with other people who have similar interests to them. so i will ask benjamin the simple question of why it okay for question of why is it okay for women to have single—sex spaces, but not okay for men to have single—sex spaces? there is in fact a female only members club, the university women's club that was opened, i believe, in 1883. benjamin would you call for the university women's club to start admitting . men? if you're admitting. men? if you're calling for the garrick to start admitting women? >> well, the fact is that those two types of venues came about for very different reasons. one of reasons, as you of the reasons, as you referenced this channel, lots referenced on this channel, lots of argue for of people will argue for single—sex is because single—sex spaces is because they're the they're talking about the dangers and the oppression of

men, and that's why they need a separate space. reason that separate space. the reason that men's only clubs exist is for a very different one. it's to execute power and exclusivity only within. what about gay clubs? i've not finished actually . and the fact is that actually. and the fact is that you look at the garrick club , you look at the garrick club, places like this, places like the melbourne club in the australia , which has had a very australia, which has had a very similar debate recently. they exist so that men can exercise their power and to exclude others from them. it is all about the narrow corridors of power, and i think as a society, we are way past the days where women aren't allowed in the corridors of power. >> but how can you say that? it's all about exercising power when quite often women go in as guests? i mean, a lot of people would argue that they say, well, why shouldn't we admit women into these clubs? because there are so many women in these clubs that come in as guests. how could you possibly say this is some sexist where people some sexist space where people want and want to oppress women and

execute when actually execute power when actually women are taken in as guests all the time and would you say the same benjamin butterworth, about a gay club that didn't let women in? >> well, first of all, no, i don't think a gay club shouldn't let women in there are let women in because there are gay l let women in because there are gay i hate to break it to gay women. i hate to break it to you, alby, but look, you know, i don't think that women should just handbag that just be some handbag that is there the blokes accessory. there as the blokes accessory. you know, you the point for you know, you make the point for me. i would suggest, about why women allowed to be women should be allowed to be a member of the garrick or similar clubs, because fact is, many clubs, because the fact is, many people make the argument. look, blokes allowed their own blokes are allowed their own space, own association, space, their own association, just women but if just like the women are. but if you have these clubs where the women can come in freely to most of the in the garrick, as of the rooms in the garrick, as a guest of the man that is the member, that actually what you're saying is that you want separate but equal, that you think the women should be think that the women should be able to go in. so it's not even able to go in. so it's not even a blokes space, but they shouldn't have rights shouldn't have the same rights and protections. think that is ludicrous. >> but they do have the same rights and protections because

there lots of women owning there are lots of women owning clubs. referenced one clubs. i just referenced one that 150 years ago. the that opened 150 years ago. the point is, these private businesses decide businesses are allowed to decide who they want to admit in as members. that's the whole point of a member's club exclusivity. and if you're exclusive, you're going discriminate . so where going to discriminate. so where does this end? do we just ban all members of clubs because does this end? do we just ban all ndiscriminatelubs because does this end? do we just ban all ndiscriminate against ause does this end? do we just ban all ndiscriminate against people they discriminate against people that able to join? >> no. and i'll be honest, i'm i'm a member of a members club that was founded by women in opposition these kind opposition to these kind of things. proud to be a things. so i'm proud to be a part of that. you know, having lots of proud exclude lots of proud to exclude people from that members club that you're of. well, this you're a member of. well, this is thing. so you have these is the thing. so you have these clubs that exist because they're about people with about people often with a certain a certain certain profession, a certain career interest. think career interest. i think that's entirely legitimate and reasonable. not to say reasonable. what's not is to say that because the bits between that because of the bits between your in or go your legs, you can come in or go out of one of these places. now look, the garrick club has about 1400 members. a seven 1400 members. it's got a seven year list for people 1400 members. it's got a seven year even list for people 1400 members. it's got a seven year even getist for people 1400 members. it's got a seven year even get accepted)ple 1400 members. it's got a seven year even get accepted .»le 1400 members. it's got a seven year even get accepted . this is that even get accepted. this is about people taking power away. and a lot of people and i think a lot of people don't like having these small

private rooms control the private rooms that control the rest of country. rest of the country. >> ding ding ding. >> ding ding ding. >> that's all. what was that meant to be the end of the. we've got quite. you're having a stroke. yes quite the bell benjamin. what i'm going to come in first there. >> and what i would say is that you said oh well i don't think we should be segregating based on what bits people have. i mean, were all for men being mean, you were all for men being able to access diane. single sex spaces . spaces. >> that's not true. because sees. >> sees. >> yes it is. >>- >> yes it is. >> it's not because that's the difference between gender and sex, which doesn't, in my view, augn sex, which doesn't, in my view, align bits you have. align with what bits you have. but is but actually there is a question, you know , would, in question, you know, would, in this day and age where the garrick exempt from the garrick club is exempt from the normal that apply most normal rules that apply to most businesses, it can have businesses, in that it can have only members, you how only male members, you know, how would man be allowed would a trans man be allowed into club? where would they into that club? where would they draw then? draw the line then? >> think what's >> but i think what's interesting is actually some of >> but i think what's intere men's; actually some of >> but i think what's intere men's onlyrally some of >> but i think what's intere men's only members! of >> but i think what's intere men's only members clubs these men's only members clubs actually have trans women members members clubs. members of these members clubs. i think that's quite interesting

because they're seeing because obviously they're seeing things as sex is binary, which in your eyes would be totally wrong. >> i mean, i think it's all solved by just not having these places that exclude women. i mean, look, diane, you are our token woman. thank you. >> i'm a glorious handbag. exactly. >> you're our guest in this men only club. what do you make of it? >> i understand that the garrick is a place where people do business. and that is the thing that mildly alarms me, because it. although you say, yeah, they can go in as a guest. no, i, i wrote a play for nancy dell'olio once and, if you remember her, she was sven—goran eriksson's handbag , and, she was a member handbag, and, she was a member of many of the private clubs around london. and there is a definite difference when you are a member and when you are guest. >> so that's the first thing i will say. they are not, on equal parlance. but secondly, like when it comes to a single sex space, if it's like a changing

room , then yes, please. i would room, then yes, please. i would like that. a single sex space because is, i don't want just a man wandering in, like, that's just the way that i feel. i just don't want a dude wandering in just because i'm like, who are you? >> why are you here? why i >> why are you here? why do i now be on alert? like, now have to be on alert? like, even if you nothing, i'm even if you mean nothing, i'm still hey, like. but when still like, hey, like. but when it's the halls of power and decisions are being made, then it kind of. i think it's right that people have resigned from the club because they've said, i don't agree with this. >> you've had that to show you outside of the garrick club saying, let me in, let me in. >> i tell you what, if the garrick club lets in, doctor shola, it'll go down a hell of a lot quicker than it will if they don't let women in. >> i mean, saying that >> i mean, i'm just saying that like. you if there's like. do you if there's important decisions being made that affect the country, i do wish i agree with benjamin, but at the same time, if it is a private members club and you don't agree with their ethos and

they want to exclude people, just don't be a member of that club. >> the only thing i would come in this is just i don't think in on this is just i don't think it's a binary choice you it's a binary choice whether you have clubs or women have men only clubs or women only or not, you can have only clubs or not, you can have everything. you can have, you can and you can have many, can have and you can have many, many i've got nothing many clubs. i've got nothing against it. you can women against it. you can have women only have clubs only spaces. you can have clubs where is mix of people. where there is a mix of people. but think that's absolutely but i think that's absolutely right. i think albee on to right. i think albee was on to something because, know, something because, you know, if you clubs you talked about gay clubs earlier want to see gay earlier on, i want to see gay pubs for just gay earlier on, i want to see gay pubs forjust gay men because pubs for just gay men because it's a space for gay men to go to if they to, just as you to if they want to, just as you can have just you can have just you just as you can have. you can just as you can have. well, to see hen well, i don't want to see hen parties of women coming in, you know, other don't know, every other week. i don't want to see. >> maybe you'd fine. >> maybe you'd be fine. >> maybe you'd be fine. >> can also have bars >> but you can also have bars where they're a mixed people, where they're a mixed of people, if the bar wants to if that's what the bar wants to do. can. it's up to the do. but you can. it's up to the discretion bar, you discretion of the bar, but you can of both. discretion of the bar, but you canban of both. discretion of the bar, but you canban women of both. discretion of the bar, but you canban women in of both. discretion of the bar, but you canban women in that)th. discretion of the bar, but you canban women in that scenario. >> ban women in that scenario. >> ban women in that scenario. >> parties clubs. >> having parties at gay clubs. >> having parties at gay clubs. >> ban that? >> would you ban that? >> yes. >> yes. >> that's e that's that's >> well, that's that's quite a different really different question really the same not because different question really the

s also not because different question really the s also wouldn't not because different question really the s also wouldn't wantiot because different question really the s also wouldn't want a because different question really the s also wouldn't want a stagause i also wouldn't want a stag doing. right. and actually i would lots. >> em,- em," >> can i just say not not to people that people that people that not to people that run this country. run pubs around this country. >> a right to >> they have a right to you know, it says the door know, it says it on the door when in. they have when you go in. they have a right ask anyone to right to ask anyone to leave that don't just that they don't want. i just don't should based don't think that should be based on a or on whether you're a man or a woman something. on whether you're a man or a woman doke. ething.you let us >> okie doke. right. you let us know that know who you thought won that one. you still one. coming up soon. you still get rather ask get half time rather to ask your questions five. questions and ask the five. the email is gb news gb email you need is gb news gb views we'll be views .com. and next we'll be joined by comedian bruce joined by the comedian bruce devlin. tv devlin. and we'll ask him if tv comedy dying comedy is in danger of dying out. you with the saturday five live on gb news is

welcome back to the saturday. five emails are flooding in. and listen , we will welcome the listen, we will welcome the views of men and women. joel says men's clubs are boring. joe, why have you been to men's clubs ? just like men would find clubs? just like men would find women's clubs boring. we also

discussed the presidential elections earlier, and bridget says neither trump or biden should stand. it should be younger candidates. you would think in a country of 300 odd million people that maybe, just maybe, they could find sean maybe, they could find one, sean says. thing trump as says. one thing about trump as the last president, no wars happened. very true , very, very happened. very true, very, very true. moving on now to our next topic . and it seems that despite topic. and it seems that despite the best efforts of benjamin butterworth on this show, tv comedy may be dying out. a new report by ampere analysis shows there was a 41% drop in the number of new comedy shows ordered last year, and even established shows are being axed. the bbc's popular sitcom motherland is on the way out. i love that actually . despite love that actually. despite winning a bafta in 2022, who better to ask than a man who regularly has us laughing on headliners and free speech nafion? headliners and free speech nation? bruce devlin, bruce , nation? bruce devlin, bruce, good evening . hello, bruce. hi.

good evening. hello, bruce. hi. >> thank you. can you hear me ? >> thank you. can you hear me? >> thank you. can you hear me? >> i can hear you loud and clear. so come on, tell us why do you think comedy is dying on telly? the stats would suggest so, wouldn't they? >> hello to diane. yes i think with the main channels they seem to be pulling back on what? the commissioning and stuff. but you have to remember as well . so have to remember as well. so much more comedy is on other streaming platforms such as netflix , disney. to netflix, disney. you have to remember lot up and coming remember a lot of up and coming comedians. they all their content seems to be on tiktok and instagram. so tired of traditional sitcom or comedy shows? i mean, i don't think we'll ever lose things like live at the apollo, but yeah, i do. i am aware of the fact that they are pulling back and they say it's to do with money, but i don't think it'll die out altogether . altogether. >> but do you live at the >> but do you think live at the apollo to take as an apollo for it to take that as an example, the kinds of comedy that tell at live at that you could tell at live at the apollo has narrowed. would you accept that , i think i think

you accept that, i think i think what you have to remember is that we live in a time now where people are more mindful of what they say, and it is expected that you wouldn't go on and be racist or homophobic or misogynistic or anything like that. i think you still can pretty much say what you like, as long as the joke is funny, but you would have to then if you were doing anything. and i'm loathe to use the word edgy if you were to be doing something edgy whatever then edgy for whatever reason, then you accept consequences you have to accept consequences of everyone's going to of that. not everyone's going to like don't think like that, but i don't think we're in a state where people are being told what to say in comedy clubs as yet . comedy clubs as yet. >> all right. do you think that's coming, diane, i mean, there are comedy clubs, which obviously sort of clamp down on what you're saying before you've even got on stage. >> but they're very few and far between, just have between, and you just have promoters just silly, promoters who are just silly, you the excellent point, you made the excellent point, bruce, of the comedy bruce, that, a lot of the comedy is on the streaming platforms, and i suppose this cut, this 41%

is happening to the terrestrial channels. but, is that because? do you think that when you get something onto a streaming platform , you can binge it all platform, you can binge it all at once, you can just consume it all at once ? is it that the is all at once? is it that the is it because comedy is falling the same as like any other drama same way as like any other drama or opera? just don't or soap opera? people just don't want to wait? >> well, i think the thing is, i think you're right about that. and watches. like, and no one watches. like, obviously the majority of the people on the panel tonight are very, know, younger very, you know, much younger than me and are, you know, down with the streaming and all that kind in you kind of stuff. in my day, you watch more traditionally. kind of stuff. in my day, you wat

mentioned, is changing so much , mentioned, is changing so much, so what a 20 year old is seeing and the attitudes they see could be totally different world to a 70 year old, which has not been possible until very recently . do possible until very recently. do you think it's a lot harder to make comedy that actually the whole family laughs at? and that's why the viewing ratings are going down, why they're not putting the money in, i don't know if it's to do with people not viewing. i got the impression it was to all do with kind of production costs and things like that. i think it is probably more of a challenge now to do an all inclusive of, you know, show that would take from the grandkids to the grandparents, if you see what i mean, because obviously you have to work out what's age appropriate and appropriate for who ? the audience, so i think who? the audience, so i think things are probably nowadays a little more niche because people know where to go and get them. and that's normally a streaming platform . platform. >> bruce, one of those shows, which i thought was something that people laughed at from children to parents or

grandparents, was the bbc's motherland . but the bbc have motherland. but the bbc have allegedly announced that that's going to be cancelled. so it even seems that the popular shows are getting cancelled. what's going on at the bbc in their content procurement? >> well, i don't know. the big problem is that they haven't given me any opportunity and i think that's maybe why the figures the toilet. i'm figures are in the toilet. i'm joking, i honestly, i think with things like motherland, because i read what diane morgan had said, that she had so many women coming up to her in the street and know, and saying, you know, we absolutely . you know, absolutely loved this. you know, we that it's we can't believe that it's going. to you going. so i'm unable to give you an editorial decision on behalf of know . it is of the bbc. i don't know. it is bewildering, though, when something is that successful that want to get rid of it, that they want to get rid of it, as a because you are an absolutely brilliant club comic and i've worked with you a lot, but have you noticed that we now , as club comics, have to have an online presence ? an online presence? >> yeah, i think you're holding

yourself back if you don't, because it's all about people say this constantly with things being commissioned by the bucha . being commissioned by the bucha. they're not necessarily looking at looking at the talent, they're looking at the talent, they're looking at followers . so at the talents, followers. so they to see how many they want to see how many followers has. i've followers someone has. and i've been hearing for past been hearing that for the past two now. nothing to two years now. it's nothing to do. in the meantime, don't get me wrong, there are people with loads that are loads of followers that are fantastic. pooing fantastic. i'm not poo pooing them, is a lot of them, but there is a lot of drive now to marry the kind of more traditional viewing things with social media and again other platforms . other platforms. >> all right. >> all right. >> bruce devlin there. thank you very see on very much. we'll see you on headliners of course in free speech nation. charlie, speech nation. now charlie, you didn't you won't what. didn't get you won't what. i won't or i will. >> oh good good good. >> oh good good good. >> right right. okay. charlie rowley . you didn't get a bite of rowley. you didn't get a bite of the cherry there. i want to ask you. you're a funny man. you were in your last. >> rikki neave. that's the nicest thing you've ever said to me, though. your last performance on stage was as the

cowardly , a production of cowardly lion, a production of wizard the oz. >> it wasn't quite the west end. >> it wasn't quite the west end. >> it wasn't quite the west end. >> it was. it was an off west end production. >> plymouth, plymouth ? >> it was in plymouth, plymouth? >> it was in plymouth, plymouth? >> plymouth, yes, but very off—west potters bar off—west end. it was potters bar as it happened. so the good people of potters bar, they might from , from, might recognise me from, from, from might recognise me from, from, frordo you think jokes >> do you, do you think jokes that you could have told even when you were at school ? when you were at school? >> perhaps you couldn't tell them days? do you them these days? and do you think that is. i do think that that is. i do disagree with bruce. i do think that actually there is a climate in are terrified to in which people are terrified to say . say things. >> so i do worry about this because think comedy is because i think comedy is so essential. to life. you essential. just to life. you know, we all need to have a good laugh otherwise, know, laugh otherwise, you know, things clearly make the norman lamont . >> now. >> now. >> so i think he probably could actually now, because it's been sort of well established and that's his sort of genre. but you bit like what albee you know, a bit like what albee was saying earlier know, was saying earlier on, you know, the family sort of shows. i mean, mind. mean, benidorm springs to mind. i for i think that was something for kids, parents and for kids, for parents and for grandparents. that was sort of cross—generational. but i do think a worry. and think there is a worry. and bruce kind of touched on it

earlier think where earlier on where i think where writers back writers start to hold back because being because of fear of being cancelled, of fear cancelled, because of their fear that going that it's not going to be a taken up by bbc because of taken up by the bbc because of all this tick boxing exercises. and you've got to, you know, you've polite rather you've got to be polite rather than saying what you're saying. >> comedians are pushing saying. >> c�*people is are pushing saying. >> c�*people like are pushing saying. >> c�*people like ricky pushing saying. >> c�*people like ricky gervais, back people like ricky gervais, people like david la chapelle, quite really well, quite rightly, really well, actually back on all. actually pushing back on all. yeah, but what nonsense. >> really strange is >> what i find really strange is that comes to this that it always comes to this argument of, oh, we can't make these jokes anymore. i don't think it . i these jokes anymore. i don't think it. i think think it's that's it. i think there's something else. i mean, if you make a like , they're if you make a like, they're cutting the comedy by 41, but they're like the drama they're giving like the drama 16, they're giving the crime 9. so they clearly are just choosing to funnel their money into other places. and although comedy is important, i think that maybe comedy is just not happening on the terrestrial channels. i think that bruce was right. it's actually migrated to streaming. >> and can i just say julian clary couldn't make the norman lamont joke back then because his destroyed his career was destroyed by it for years? well for about ten years? well i don't even know what the joke is. >> i've got to be honest.

>> i've got to be honest. >> ironically , i won't >> well, ironically, i won't repeat it. we've our repeat it. we've had our own question. . question. bad luck. >> norman lamont's beautiful red box. it's still ahead. our age gap, relationships, the road forward or a dead end? relationship expert kezia noble will be here to answer that one. but next, you wonderful viewers, take back control. it's almost time for ask the five you with the saturday five live

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. it's time for the part of the show where we answer your questions. no topics are off limits. and you've been filling up our mailbox at gb views. gb news. com. first question has come in from kathy. good evening. kathy. she has a question specifically for charlie lion . charlie the cowardly lion. >> she and she is not beating

around the bush. >> she says, hi charlie . how >> she says, hi charlie. how long do you think the tories will spend in the political wilderness after they get wiped out in the general election ? out in the general election? >> well, well, that's here we go . that's if you assume that they're going to get wiped out in the next general election . in the next general election. and i don't, i don't take i don't take that same view. i'm afraid , because i think it's all afraid, because i think it's all to think the public to play for. i think the public when the kathy doesn't have to be clairvoyant do that one. be a clairvoyant to do that one. >> but it's true. >> but it's true. >> it's absolutely true when the election there election comes, because there isn't called, we isn't an election called, we don't it's going don't know when it's going to be. speculation . be. there's lots of speculation. there's there's of there's well, there's lots of speculation. is speculation. but the reality is there's to be one there's only going to be one person becomes prime person that becomes prime minister. to person that becomes prime mi|sirer. to person that becomes prime mi|sirer. starmer to person that becomes prime mi|sirer. starmer or to person that becomes prime mi|sirer. starmer or rishi be sir keir starmer or rishi sunak. i think when the sunak. and i think when the polls, election gets polls, when the election gets called, the polls will tighten and will be a real choice and there will be a real choice for people to make. and when the policies forward, because policies come forward, because labour haven't got any policies at the minute any other vote at the minute and any other vote for party, whether for any other party, whether you're thinking about voting reform, you're thinking about voting reforyou be, you that you might be, but you might be. do that, is be. but if you do that, that is a for labour. that will a vote for labour. and that will take country back to

take the whole country back to square one. okay. >> just give you >> so can i just give you a reality check here? i was listening sir john listening to professor sir john curtice you . curtice from you. >> it's quite. >> it's quite. >> here we go, professor. >> here we go, professor. >> sirjohn >> here we go, professor. >> sir john curtice, >> here we go, professor. >> sirjohn curtice, he's here >> sir john curtice, he's here now. who is? >> who is you know, this country's most popular pollster who it right really quite who gets it right really quite consistently. and he says that there is a 99% probability. and he's saying that in literal terms, not hyperbolic terms, that keir starmer will be the prime minister. and so if you take, the biggest change during an election campaign since world war two, the biggest squeeze, which was the lead the tories had over labour in 2010, which fell by six points during the campaign. and if you take the most mistaken election, which was 92 from what the polls said, compared to what happened on polling day, if you had both of those happen in the same election, you'd still have a labour government . that's how labour government. that's how big the lead is. so there is no chance in hell of that happening short of sir keir starmer, you know , murdering all i would say

know, murdering all i would say to cathy to and anyone to cathy and to you and anyone that's the polls , that's interested in the polls, look, it should have look, in 2010, it should have been majority been a conservative majority kicking out gordon brown. >> didn't happen 2015. >> it didn't happen in 2015. it should been ed miliband as should have been ed miliband as prime minister. tories got prime minister. the tories got a majority in 2016. we should have remained if were majority in 2016. we should have remai|toi if were majority in 2016. we should have remai|to listen if were majority in 2016. we should have remai|to listen to if were majority in 2016. we should have remai|to listen to the: were majority in 2016. we should have remai|to listen to the pollswere majority in 2016. we should have remai|to listen to the polls inre going to listen to the polls in 2017, theresa was to 2017, theresa may was going to win never win a thumping majority. never happened 2019. could happened in 2019. you could have had of jeremy had the prospect of jeremy corbyn minister didn't corbyn as prime minister didn't happen. so the polls are the polls. poll that polls. but the only poll that matters is the one on polling day exactly at the general election. >> well , election. >> well, yeah, thankfully that's the one where keir okay. the one where keir will be okay. >> okay. next up, it's harriet. >> and harriet question harriet. >> dianeiarriet question harriet. >> diane .rriet question harriet. >> diane . good question harriet. >> diane . good eveningzstion harriet. >> diane . good evening harriet. for diane. good evening harriet. she says hi diane. very nice to see you back on the show. what great comedians and shows inspired to get into comedy? inspired you to get into comedy? ineed inspired you to get into comedy? i need something funny to watch . i need something funny to watch. >> oh, my gosh, what is that? >> oh, my gosh, what is that? >> a cut on us? >>— >> a cut on us? >> well, i must admit, harriet, i absolutely love i'm a i love absurd comedy. i love edgy comedy, i quite like what the

americans do, one of my favourites is maria bamford. i went and watched her live at leicester square theatre. she's very offbeat. she's kind of very quirky. she does voices really exciting , somebody else who i exciting, somebody else who i really enjoy. i do enjoy frankie boyle because he doesn't hold back. he just goes for it. and he see, look, darren's already very angry about that suggestion, i like a comic called ginger man. >> i like i got me watching. >> i like i got me watching. >> do you like him? >> do you like him? >> because he's ginger? >> because he's ginger? >> yeah, that's how it works, alby . what? they all know each alby. what? they all know each other. yeah >> i particularly love, i particularly love clever and funny writing. so i really enjoy watching sitcoms, which is quite interesting because it plays back to what we said. about 41% of the comedy programs being cut, like , i love the writing, cut, like, i love the writing, like audio of, doug, like the audio books of, doug, dirk gently, the holistic detective . so i find that do detective. so i find that do watch. >> what do you make of when

people do, sort of spoofs of people do, sort of spoofs of people because there was that there was that controversy the other week where there was a comedian called jan ravens who did brilliant abbott did a brilliant diane abbott impression. was back in impression. this was back in 2017. also did a theresa may impression , and people were impression, and people were saying that it was racist because she'd done this impression of diane abbott. >> yeah, there's a whole well, obviously and got obviously. and you've got the little who little britain guys who regularly did blackface, and they dressed up and they dressed up as women, women as well, i think that if the spoof is cleverly done and they have accurately made a funny like it's not being detrimental, it's really bringing the character to life. i think you can do a clever spoof . i haven't seen the clever spoof. i haven't seen the spoof in particular that you're talking about. and the weird thing comedy it's thing about comedy is that it's so so so personal, isn't it? so i think more of it needs to be out there than we want it to be, so that everybody has a choice. >> but what i would though, >> but what i would say, though, using as using frankie boyle as a reference, i think is really quite frankie quite useful because frankie

boyle to say things that boyle used to say things that were outrageous. were totally outrageous. he took the katie price's the mickey out of katie price's disabled child. oh no, i didn't like now he would like that. but but now he would never dream of saying that he's weaker benjamin butterworth how. >> now. >> oh, yeah, he's completely flipped. hey, you said flipped. hey, but you said comedy . comedy. >> you think comedy has >> you don't think comedy has become i would become more censorious? i would argue frankie boyle the argue frankie boyle is the perfect example. argue frankie boyle is the perfect exarargue that frankie >> i would argue that frankie boyle has censored himself. >> yeah, because he's so scared of the environment and being cancelled. >> yeah, well, that's his issue and that is up to him to make a choice to make as an artist, because, you know, he doesn't want to sort of. >> i guess he saw the tide changing and went, i'm going to get . get on this bus. >> can just say i loathe >> well, can i just say i loathe frankie funny. frankie boyle? he's not funny. he's an angry man. my he's just an angry man. my favourite joan rivers . favourite comic is joan rivers. yes, i was, and i was lucky enough to interview her right before she died. right. i didn't kill would she would kill her. but would she would she survive today? i'm not sure. >> i don't think she would. but next andrew. next up, it's andrew. >> has question for >> andrew has a question for benjamin . and, says benjamin, is benjamin. and, says benjamin, is it not because of woke

snowflakes like you that we are not making comedies? you all get easily offended, well, clearly i don't think that, you know, i think i have a great sense of humour . and so i, it really humour. and so i, it really frustrates me that people think that young people, that so—called woke people like me, can't have a great sense of humour. but i think we, you know, the truth is with this question about offensive jokes and inverted commas, is that is sometimes saying it's a joke, an excuse for something that is essentially just offensive. yes. >> and the weird thing is, is that , you can >> and the weird thing is, is that, you can make a joke and you can look at it in two ways. you can look at the emotional response that you get, and you can look the technical can look at the technical competence created competence and how you created it. actually it. you can also actually include in the attention of that. and it's really interesting because he's just said, oh, you're woke and you've destroyed literally, destroyed comedy, but literally, right before that you said, i interviewed love interviewed joan rivers. i love joan nobody was kind of joan rivers. nobody was kind of more insulted more i mean, she insulted everybody , which was fabulous. everybody, which was fabulous. >> all right. we don't have very long. so i want get to

long. so i want to get to george's question. george says, what the saturday five be what will the saturday five be doing this sunday? well, doing this easter sunday? well, george, gb george, if you tune in to gb views at one. >> yeah. oh, you will see me for two hours. >> and me, i'm on with you . >> and me, i'm on with you. >> and me, i'm on with you. >> oh yes. yeah, yeah, yeah. and then after that, i will have a dnnkin then after that, i will have a drink in my hand. >> and if you tune in at 11 am, you'll see me with michael portillo talking about the week's politics. but after that i will be going to see my, my grandfather, who is a 92, 91 or 92, so hopefully going to see him. well, i'm going to see him free, so i'm really looking forward to it. what you up forward to it. what are you up to? making fudge. to? oh, i'm making fudge. >> fudge. >> i'm making more fudge. >> i'm making more fudge. >> yeah. but i've got a load >> oh yeah. but i've got a load of dried fruit, so i'm making lots fudge, like lots of incredible fudge, like banana and cranberry and strawberries. . strawberries. it's wondrous. >> charlie. >> charlie. >> oh, i'll be saver. >> oh, i'll be a leg saver. skipped somewhere . with any luck skipped somewhere. with any luck ? no, neither. neither did i at you . are we having. are we

you. are we having. are we having a gay old time? >> i'll be eating a whole easter egg as well in one go into science . science. >> yeah, precisely. yeah. >> yeah, precisely. yeah. >> do you ever think about it before you do it? as in, do you worry about. >> fatty liver ? yeah. >> about my fatty liver? yeah. >> about my fatty liver? yeah. >> i really don't , but, you >> i really don't, but, you know, i eat too much sugar, so i probably should. but, you know, actually, easter sunday is the main thing . easter monday, when main thing. easter monday, when all the easter eggs are discounted . discounted. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> so the real question is the answer to your question is sunday. i'll be here, but monday i'll be in the aisles of tesco and lidl and whatnot getting all the don't to >> you don't go to lidl. benjamin >> no i don't, i'll stop trying to relatable , but you stopped to be relatable, but you stopped that long ago. did only eat, like, eat a good rule of thumb, eat a quarter of the egg, make your easter lunch, and then have the other three quarters. yes >> rb can you do that? have you got the willpower to follow?

>> yes. i'm actually very good when it comes to controlling my eating. i can be very good. >> i wish i was like that. coming up next though, we've got the relationship guru, kezia noble, in the studio noble, who will be in the studio to some dating advice. to give out some dating advice. there's plenty of us here that would you're would benefit from that. you're watching saturday five live watching the saturday five live on gb news. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello there! welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast from the met office. we're looking ahead for the rest of easter. i think the best of the sunshine really is going to be reserved for more northern parts of country for the south, of the country for the south, especially come especially as we come into easter looking at easter monday. it's looking at very wet. so out there at the moment, still got low moment, we've still got low pressure in charge, and that's bringing in another band of heavy more heavy showers across more southwest certain parts of the country spread way country that will spread its way towards northern ireland as we

end the elsewhere, plenty end the night. elsewhere, plenty of , so that's a of clear skies, so that's a perfect recipe for a fairly chilly night. a touch of frost across scotland with some misty low beginning to move low cloud just beginning to move in across parts of the east. so we do start easter day off on a fairly sunny note across many central parts of the country. the cloud across the east will gradually just spread its way a little bit further westward. so for many central and eastern parts of england are rather grey. afternoon to come with some spots of rain brighter further and especially so further west and especially so for scotland and northern ireland. mixture of sunny ireland. here a mixture of sunny spells and scattered showers, temperatures in sunshine temperatures in the sunshine reaching 14 or 15 degrees into easter monday. a pretty wet picture for a lot of england and wales. some of the rain will be quite heavy, could turn brighter later on down towards the south—west, but again best south—west, but again the best of brightness will be for of the brightness will be for scotland ireland, scotland and northern ireland, with a mixture of sunny spells and showers. and unfortunately, the changeable theme does look like will continue head like it will continue as we head into wednesday .

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gb news. >> it's 9:00. welcome to mark dolan tonight on gb news with me. andrew doyle in my big opinion, on monday, april the 1st, the scottish government will enter a new authoritarian era. no , that's not an april era. and no, that's not an april fool's joke. in the big story , fool's joke. in the big story, as more arrests take place as pro—palestine and counter—protest fighters clash in london, are these a platform for hate speech? plus our politicians using religion for political gain? we're going to be speaking to the reverend michael coren , who has accused michael coren, who has accused them of doing just that, and in my take at ten, is the bbc suppressing the truth about gender affirming care?

mislabelling men as women and failing to safeguard children ? failing to safeguard children? so there's a busy two hours to come. i'll see you after the news with polly middlehurst . news with polly middlehurst. >> andrew. thank you and good evening to you. well, the top story from the newsroom tonight is that the nationalities of migrants commit crimes could migrants who commit crimes could be published in a table with ministers saying it would give the government more power to tighten immigration laws. it's a group of tory mps that wants to see statistics on every offender convicted in england, and wales, published every year. they say the rules will help the home office impose stricter visa and deportation policies for individuals from certain countries. meanwhile almost 5000 migrants have crossed the engush migrants have crossed the english channel, so far this yean english channel, so far this year, with border force officials escorting around 300

people to dover. today, the home office says their french counterparts are facing growing dangers as they attempt to intervene, with police there saying they're experiencing higher levels of violence and disruption on the northern shores france . the interim shores of france. the interim dup leader , gavin robinson, has dup leader, gavin robinson, has told colleagues the party is not about any one individual, saying it exists to build a better and stronger northern ireland. it follows the resignation of sir jeffrey donaldson, who's been charged with historical sexual offences. the police service of northern ireland has since warned against speculation on social media, saying anything that leads to the identification of victims is a crime and will be treated as such. it's understood sir jeffrey's told dup officials he'll strenuously contest the allegations in the netherlands , a hostage situation netherlands, a hostage situation at a nightclub has ended peacefully . police arrested a peacefully. police arrested a man who was wearing a balaclava after he walked out of the

venue, witnesses saying with his