be going to head to head we'll be going to head to head in the clash with gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson and also former tory aide claire pearsall. well here's what's coming up. king charles has attended the easter service. his first royal appearance since receiving cancer treatment after it was revealed the clapham chemical attacker converted to christianity. i'll also be asking whether the church leaders held leaders should be held accountable for the migrants they does the they convert, then does the union flag put off ethnic minorities .7 some labour mps have minorities? some labour mps have reportedly concerned that it could, and the controversial gender clinic, the tavistock centre, finally closes its doors. we'll be discussing that before we get started. let's get your latest news headlines. >> nana. thank you. the top

stories this hour. king charles has made his first significant pubuc has made his first significant public appearance since his cancer diagnosis. joined by the queen, he smiled and waved as he left an easter sunday service at saint george's chapel in windsor and went to on greet crowds. other members of the royal family were also there, but the prince and princess of wales missed the service as catherine continues her cancer treatment. our royal correspondent cameron walker says this was an important moment for the monarch. >> king was very much determined to attend this very important eventin to attend this very important event in the christian calendar. he himself, of course, is head of the church of england, so he would have had a very strong religious feeling, needing to be there. but of course, there's another reason , and that is to another reason, and that is to provide a message of reassurance to the british public following the princess of wales's separate cancer diagnosis and her treatment . treatment. >> meanwhile, the archbishop of canterbury has wished the king and princess of wales well

dunng and princess of wales well during his easter sermon . at during his easter sermon. at canterbury cathedral, justin welby encouraged the congregation to pray for charles and catherine and praised their dignity as they both undergo treatment for cancer. pope francis over easter francis has presided over easter mass at the vatican. tens of thousands of people turned out to see the pontiff and the delivery of his urbi et orbi blessing from the balcony of saint pope saint peter's basilica, pope francis, who's been dealing with health problems recent weeks , health problems in recent weeks, used his address to renew his call for an immediate ceasefire in gaza, along with the release of israeli hostages. in of all israeli hostages. in his easter the prime easter message, the prime minister paid tribute to the work of churches and christian communities across the country. >> happy easter everyone . >> happy easter everyone. >> happy easter everyone. >> this weekend, as people come together to celebrate and reflect on the message of the heart of the easter festival, i want to pay tribute to the incredible work of christians in this country. the churches,

charities, and charities, volunteers and fundraisers live the fundraisers who live the christian compassion , christian values of compassion, charity self—sacrifice charity and self—sacrifice supporting need and supporting those in need and demonstrating what it means to love thy neighbour. >> sir keir starmer also posted on social media saying it's a time for optimism and new beginnings. the easter messages come as a new poll suggests the tories are on track for their worst result . worst general election result. survation found party could survation found the party could win than 100 seats, with win fewer than 100 seats, with labour predicted to sweep to power with a landslide victory. a 468 seats, the 15,000 person poll indicated the conservatives would be wiped out in scotland and wales, and hold just 98 seats . in other seats in england. in other news, deteriorating weather conditions have failed to deter migrants in the channel almost 600 people were intercepted in small boats this weekend despite strengthening winds. it brings the total number of those who've arrived illegally to more than 5200 year. that's the third

5200 this year. that's the third higher than the figure recorded this time last year. people smugglers are being accused of putting their lives in danger by launching overcrowded dinghies that handle large swells . that can't handle large swells. the energy secretary has warned that labour's dangerous net zero plans would leave britain at the mercy of china. labour has pledged to convert the country to clean power by 2035 years earlier than the conservatives but told but claire coutinho told the telegraph the plan would leave the chinese the uk overreliant on chinese made metals , cables and made metals, cables and batteries, was batteries, just as europe was weaning off russian oil weaning itself off russian oil and . for the latest stories, and gas. for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news comment alerts. now let's return to . nana. >> thank you tatiana. it's just

coming up to six minutes after 3:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua , our brave king charles akua, our brave king charles blessing. he waited patiently . blessing. he waited patiently. for his turn on the throne, being guided by his mother , our being guided by his mother, our exceptional late queen elizabeth the second. what a woman! she was the embodiment of excellence. dignitaries from all over the world, even the from conflicted countries, would put aside their grievances come aside their grievances to come together respects . together and pay their respects. she was loved, are our new she was loved, as are our new king queen, king charles and king and queen, king charles and queen camilla. but it hasn't been easy for the pair. but camilla won our hearts by quietly showing her dedication to the role and her clear love for king charles. whilst his relationship with diana was a turbulent one, he is at peace with camilla and you can see it. of course, both are and were exceptional women in their own right. as diana said, you right. but as diana said, you cannot true love. cannot compete with true love. the king was open about his enlarged prostate diagnosis, a subject find subject that many men find taboo. came . as a

taboo. his cancer came. as a shock, but the good he did in being open is likely to have saved many lives. unable to attend the royal maundy thursday service worcester cathedral attend the royal maundy thursday serv week worcester cathedral attend the royal maundy thursday servweek becauseer cathedral attend the royal maundy thursday servweek because onathedral attend the royal maundy thursday servweek because of hisedral this week because of his treatment, the king delivered a pre—recorded speech where he talked special this talked of a special prayer this easter expressed his great easter and expressed his great sadness unable be sadness of being unable to be there person . he said the there in person. he said the maundy service has a very special place in my heart . and special place in my heart. and recounted the story of jesus washing his disciples feet. this washing his disciples feet. this was all about service and his dedication to his role being the serving british people. dedication to his role being the servi|have british people. dedication to his role being the servi|have a3ritish people. dedication to his role being the servi|have a listen.people. let's have a listen. >> act of worship here in >> this act of worship here in worcester cathedral reminds me of the pledge i made at the beginning of the coronation service to follow christ's example, not to be served, but to serve that i have always tried to do and continue to do with my whole heart . it is my with my whole heart. it is my special prayer today that our

lord's example of serving one another might continue to inspire us and to strengthen all our communities. may god bless you . all this easter you. all this easter. >> so we need him at the helm. you only need to look at the damage he rapidly revolving door of politicians do. of career politicians can do. of course, many good, but course, there are many good, but we don't many we certainly don't want many more. the royal more. getting rid of the royal family a vacuum. family would create a vacuum. god would it. god knows what would fill it. the is captivated our the world is captivated by our working they are working royal family they are one last remaining one of the last remaining traditions country , and traditions in this country, and one of the last things that we have left that have the have left that have put the great in britain. let's great in great britain. so let's raise glasses to . king raise our glasses to. king charles. we wish you a speedy recovery and look forward to you getting back to your duties after your treatment. a job you clearly love, doing, a job you were born to do. we wish you health and happiness. long live

the king! right. so just coming up to eight minutes after 3:00. before we get started, over the next hour, let's introduce you again to my classes. joining me today is news senior today is gb news senior political commentator, nigel nelson. tory aide. nelson. also former tory aide. claire . right. so claire pearsall. right. so here's what's coming up in the clash. easter. clash. happy easter. king charles as he attends the easter service. his first royal appearance since receiving cancer treatment as the princess of wales stays at home following her then should of wales stays at home following her leaders then should of wales stays at home following her leaders be then should of wales stays at home following her leaders be held| should church leaders be held accountable the migrants accountable for the migrants they mean, not accountable for the migrants thejhome mean, not accountable for the migrants the) home secretary n, not accountable for the migrants thejhome secretary has not accountable for the migrants thejhome secretary has warned the home secretary has warned churches allowing churches to avoid allowing asylum the asylum seekers to exploit the system after it was revealed the clapham abdul clapham chemical attacker abdul ezedi converted to christianity. next, does next, we'll also be asking does the off ethnic the union flag put off ethnic minorities stands firm minorities at labour stands firm on fly the union on being proud to fly the union jack flag on leaflets after some opposition mps claimed that it could exclude ethnic minority voters. well, just exclude them.

but . what about the british but. what about the british people who actually, she doesn't mean what about everybody else? and is it time to reduce arms to israel? a leaked memo suggests the government lawyers claim israel is breaking international law. and finally, the controversial gender controversial children's gender clinic, tavistock clinic, the tavistock centre finally closes its doors following well, that's backlash. well, that's coming up. you think on up. tell me what you think on everything up. tell me what you think on everyt gbviews@gbnews.uk up. tell me what you think on everytgbviews@gbnews.uk tweet up. tell me what you think on eve at gbviews@gbnews.uk tweet up. tell me what you think on eve at .bviews@gbnews.uk tweet up. tell me what you think on eve at . gbews@gbnews.uk tweet up. tell me what you think on eve at . gb news.)news.uk tweet up. tell me what you think on eve at . gb news. first,.uk tweet up. tell me what you think on eve at . gb news. first, let's tweet up. tell me what you think on eve at . gb news. first, let's getaet me at. gb news. first, let's get started . let's welcome again to started. let's welcome again to my clashes gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson and also former government adviser claire pearsall. right. so i'm going to come to you, claire. why not? let's ladies first. yeah. although nigel might say i'm a lady identified . identify as a lady. >> do that one later. oh . >> do that one later. oh. >> do that one later. oh. >> oh, no, i started already.

yeah what do you think then? the king. of course he couldn't. he shook hands actually, earlier king. of course he couldn't. he shook as nds actually, earlier king. of course he couldn't. he shook as well. ctually, earlier king. of course he couldn't. he shook as well. i ually, earlier king. of course he couldn't. he shook as well. i think earlier king. of course he couldn't. he shook as well. i think earliwas today as well. i think that was him hands, wasn't him shaking hands, wasn't it, with yeah he's going with people? yeah he's going through cancer treatment. with people? yeah he's going througvery cancer treatment. with people? yeah he's going througvery cance|it'eatment. that's very brave. it is. >> is very and i think >> it is very brave. and i think it's that we saw him it's great that we saw him out at was at the church service. it was really him to be really important to him to be with camilla. and it's important for those that want for all those people that want to be able to celebrate with him, want to wish him well, and we'll stand the church we'll go and stand at the church for glimpse of the king for a quick glimpse of the king and queen. >> i think it's a great message that on with his service. >> he's doing his duty. yes, he's going through some treatment moment, but as treatment at the moment, but as you a positive you say, it's a really positive thing. if you start talking about people take about it, other people take account of their own health. you open up a conversation . and open up a conversation. and that's only got to be for the good. so i wish him a very, very happy easter. >> yes. wonderful isn't it? i the more see armonica, the more i see armonica, the more more more monarchy, the more i respect nelson yeah, respect them. nigel nelson yeah, but i've agree every word but i've agree with every word you've but i've agree with every word you' said. just said. >> there , that i think that >> there, that that i think that after the maundy after he'd skipped the maundy

service wouldn't have service that we wouldn't have blamed him if he skipped the easter service . easter day service. >> but his sense of duty meant meant that he actually turned up, i'm a royalist, but i am up, i'm not a royalist, but i am a monarchist. >> i believe very much that the monarchy is really important to our constitution . our constitution. >> differences. i don't like all the trappings that go around the royal family i think really royal family i think it's really important to have a constitutional head of state who is a politician. is not a politician. >> so like the idea of having >> so i like the idea of having a somebody like a monarchy and somebody like like charles, who puts duty first, just like his mother did. >> it's wonderful, isn't it, to see and the power as well, because i in my monologue was . because i in my monologue was. saying that literally, that is one of the last things that makes great britain great again. we seem to want to dismantle everything, this still everything, but this is still here. i it's an here. one of the i think it's an envy many. envy of to many. >> but is my point about >> but this is my point about the constitution. think the constitution. i think what we do try we shouldn't do is try and dismantle because pull dismantle it, because you pull one the wall one brick out and the whole wall might means one brick out and the whole wall mig have means one brick out and the whole wall mig have to means one brick out and the whole wall

mig have to keep means one brick out and the whole wall mig have to keep house�*ans one brick out and the whole wall mig have to keep house ofs you have to keep the house of lords hereditary lords for the hereditary principle of principle to keep the head of state, that state, because that is a hereditary principle . so there's hereditary principle. so there's all sorts of things, knock on effects. >> f- p- p— >> but if you want to have a king, play around king, don't play around with the other bits at the bottom. >> do you think, claire, that we should house and should keep a house of lords and get, that should get, you know that it should be that chamber that we have unelected chamber like mean, a really >> i mean, this is a really difficult question the difficult question because the house there for house of lords is there for a very purpose, is very specific purpose, which is to the legislation to scrutinise the legislation coming through from the government. whichever colour of government. whichever colour of government happens to be in. so i think that has a really i do think that it has a really important part to whether important part to play, whether you should it full of just you should stuff it full of just your well, i think your mates. well, i think that needs rather than the needs reform rather than the actual chamber itself. i would hate there to be elected hate there to be an elected chamber. that be chamber. i think that would be the all outcomes, but the worst of all outcomes, but i don't think we should get rid of it either. there should don't think we should get rid of it eit limit there should don't think we should get rid of it eit limit on there should don't think we should get rid of it eit limit on political should be a limit on political appointees to the house of lords. i think there have been too those last too many of those over the last 25 years. it's been 25 years. i think it's been stuffed full of people with very little experience and very little experience and very little to bring to the role. it is there to be a scrutinising chamber , and i think you need chamber, and i think you need some experts it.

some real experts in it. >> i'm just wondering, is >> is it? i'm just wondering, is it conservative or labour? it more conservative or labour? the lords? it more conservative or labour? the it's lords? it more conservative or labour? the it's a lords? it more conservative or labour? the it's a labour'ds? it more conservative or labour? the it's a labour majority, a >> it's a labour majority, a labour so always labour majority. so it always makes when . we start makes me laugh when. we start looking. sorry. no, it's a conservative majority. that's right. because when you start lookingoing through that's going through and everyone that's going through and everylabour peers, actually the lefty labour peers, actually the majority the conservatives so majority is the conservatives so i think need at the i think we need to look at the makeup i that makeup of it. i think that crossbenchers really crossbenchers are really important really good important and do a really good job, and it should be more about that than necessarily political parties. >> when you say crossbench, a lot of people might not understand what that means. >> they hold >> that means they hold no political so they political allegiance so they can work they fit any work as they see fit with any part government, work as they see fit with any part government , with work as they see fit with any part government, with any part of the government, with any part of the government, with any part of the opposition. they are there as almost like an independent, i suppose you would look at it and they work across all and look at all parties and they look at legislation from point, legislation from that point, looking that looking looking at the fact that our monarchy is really kind of narrowed down. our monarchy is really kind of nar so ed down. our monarchy is really kind of nar so much, down. our monarchy is really kind of nar so much, do down. our monarchy is really kind of narso much, do think? down. >> so much, do you think? and i'm harry and i'm going to ask harry and meghan probably meghan question, i probably shouldn't, do shouldn't, but i'm going to. do you think, that there shouldn't, but i'm going to. do you th be. that there shouldn't, but i'm going to. do you th be. place that there shouldn't, but i'm going to. do youth be. place for: there

shouldn't, but i'm going to. do youth be. place for harry to would be a place for harry to come work within come back and work within the royal as a i think they royal family as a i think they could. >> i mean, he obviously needs to reconcile his family reconcile with his family and there's bad blood that there's a lot of bad blood that still exists. but that still still exists. but if that reconciliation takes place and harry wants to knuckle down and become a working royal again, i don't think he's done anything that should stop him doing that. really? i mean, i mean, really? yeah i mean, i mean, that's what i mean. it's the reconciliation bit. it means that you have to apologise for some things you've done some of the things you've done while in america. while you've been in america. apologise for slagging off your own family . see, he's broken own family. see, he's broken several of the rules along the way. but it i regret he went in the first place. i think he should have stayed here and done his duty like the rest of the family does. you know his aunt, princess anne, would be a great example to him. but no, don't example to him. but no, i don't think is absolutely think the door is absolutely closed. not not think the door is absolutely closeajar not not think the door is absolutely closeajar the not not think the door is absolutely closeajar the moment not think the door is absolutely closeajar the moment until very ajar at the moment until actually things calm down. >> mean, think he's >> yeah. i mean, i think he's made his own bed. he needs to go

lie in it. and you can regret that ever left country that he ever left the country and royal family. and left the royal family. but he . and then he said some he did. and then he said some really unpalatable things afterwards, at a family that worked really hard include worked really hard to include him. go live your him. so no go off, live your life wish, don't keep life as you wish, but don't keep selling stories . selling stories. >> well, he's going to carry on selling he selling stories. that's how he wishes his life , which wishes to spend his life, which is quite sad really. well, if you're just tuned in, welcome on board. we love hear your board. we love to hear your thoughts on all the stories we're clashes. we're discussing in the clashes. get at gb views at get in touch at gb views at gb news. was to give my news. com i was about to give my phone out. right. so phone number out. right. so this is story. the home is the our next story. the home secretary, cleverly, secretary, james cleverly, has issued warning issued an easter message warning churches that they shouldn't allow asylum seekers exploit allow asylum seekers to exploit the system. after it the system. this comes after it emerged the clapham emerged that the clapham chemical attacker, abdul ezedi, convinced a judge that he had converted to christianity with the support of a baptist minister. now ezedi was able to . minister. now ezedi was able to. then gain asylum here in the uk, despite a previous sex offence. conviction is just literally

couldn't make this up. a spokesperson for the church of england role england said that it is the role of the home office and not the church, asylum seekers of the home office and not the churjudge asylum seekers of the home office and not the churjudge the asylum seekers of the home office and not the churjudge the merits seekers of the home office and not the churjudge the merits ofeekers of the home office and not the churjudge the merits of their! and judge the merits of their individual cases. and we wrote to the home office and they said that they had no evidence to show us in regards to this case. so joining me to discuss gb news, political news, a senior political commentator, nigel nelson, and also former government adviser claire also former government adviser clai think that perhaps they you think that perhaps they should to nigel? actually, should go to nigel? actually, because i went to clare last time, do you think that, the clergy or people who allow these people to come in and convert in terms of christianity should be held accountable the held accountable for the decisions? held accountable for the decaccountability suggests >> accountability suggests sort of on of some sort of punishment. on the other end. well, that's right. no. right. no, the answer is no. i mean, christianity is a conversion it's part mean, christianity is a co its rsion it's part mean, christianity is a co its rsi01is it's part mean, christianity is a co its rsi01is to it's part mean, christianity is a co its rsi01is to try it's part mean, christianity is a co its rsi01is to try ands part mean, christianity is a co its rsi01is to try and convert of its job is to try and convert people. sent missionaries people. we sent missionaries all over and do just over the world to go and do just that. when it comes to the specifics asylum seeker, specifics on an asylum seeker, i think question is the think that the question is the genuineness the asylum seeker think that the question is the gen|whatess the asylum seeker think that the question is the gen|what should1e asylum seeker think that the question is the gen|what should then ylum seeker think that the question is the gen|what should then happeneker think that the question is the gen|what should then happen iser and what should then happen is dunng and what should then happen is during the process of the claim, the home office caseworkers

should talk . to the priest who should talk. to the priest who has sponsored an asylum seeker to check out how genuine that conversion was . i mean, the conversion was. i mean, the first thing that happens is if you suddenly try and convert to christianity, a red flag goes up at the office. at the home office. >> that's happened >> well, that's what happened here. flags may have here. the red flags may have gone let's he gone up, but let's remember he was offender well. was a sex offender as well. >> well, that too. >> yeah, well, there's that too. you may then also consider whether or not we need to tighten rules about tighten up the rules about offences they commit here. he didn't meet the threshold for being thrown out of the country with his sex offence. maybe he should have done that. >> i'm sure he did. meet the threshold. just didn't threshold. they just didn't bother doing anything about it. what think? because look, what do you think? because look, if a pub and if you go to a pub and somebody's serving you drinks, even completely even though you're completely trollied drinks, they could serving you drinks, they could lose so i kind serving you drinks, they could loswith so i kind serving you drinks, they could loswith that so i kind serving you drinks, they could loswith that theory,) i kind serving you drinks, they could loswith that theory, think|d serving you drinks, they could loswith that theory, think that of, with that theory, think that if somebody you know, if somebody is, you know, willingly converting these people just to hike up the numbers christians, you numbers of christians, do you not think that perhaps there should company, find should be some company, i find myself awkward myself in a really awkward position agreeing myself in a really awkward position church agreeing myself in a really awkward position church england; myself in a really awkward position church england to

with the church of england to say actually home say that it's actually the home office's to vet these office's job to vet these individuals, and they are correct. and i think that it's a real slippery slope . if the home real slippery slope. if the home office start trying to blame other institutions , if it's not other institutions, if it's not the church of england, it will be somebody else. when the ultimate responsibility for the safety of this country for safety of this country and for looking claims looking at these asylum claims is and the home is the home office and the home secretary. let's not forget secretary. so let's not forget that they have the ultimate they are the ultimate arbiters of the decision making process. what i think that we need to look at think that we do need to look at is number of people suddenly is the number of people suddenly convertingthat from countries that they come from and feel and the reasons why they feel they that when they they need to do that when they land the united kingdom. land in the united kingdom. if they history of they have not had a history of christianity being christianity or even being interested in christianity in their countries of origin, then i think you need to look at why they've done that. >> now the show, but >> now they're on the show, but they they might exposed >> now they're on the show, but th> now they're on the show, but th> now they're on the show, but th> now they're on the show, but th

often they can't use it as an excuse why shouldn't excuse as to why they shouldn't be to it for what be an excuse to, to it for what they're doing for their. well, well, that's well, the question is, that's what mean the what i mean about the genuineness are genuineness of it. if they are genuineness of it. if they are genuine converts , that's a bit genuine converts, that's a bit different. but if, say, you're genuine converts, that's a bit dif'the1t. but if, say, you're genuine converts, that's a bit dif'the bibby: if, say, you're genuine converts, that's a bit dif'the bibby stockholm j're genuine converts, that's a bit dif'the bibby stockholm where on the bibby stockholm where about people from there to about 40 people from there go to church, it's the church church, that it's the church that has come in and shown them some kindness. they've got interested church, interested in the church, vulnerable people often do in prisons . vulnerable people often do in prisons. it's the prison chapel on a sunday is often the best attended event, but in a prison, it doesn't have the same implication, it? implication, does it? >> in a prison, it couldn't then be as to be one of the reasons used as to why stay in the uk. why you can stay in the uk. >> it also question >> but it also begs the question is, have they got is, well, why have they got interested christianity? why? is, well, why have they got interestthe christianity? why? is, well, why have they got interestthe church tianity? why? is, well, why have they got interestthe church going? why? is, well, why have they got interestthe church going in?�*|y? why is the church going in? are they in they specifically going in to talk asylum seekers? i think talk to asylum seekers? i think we need to understand that. why is we're seeing is it that we're seeing conversions to christianity? you're to you're not seeing it to any other faith, sure other other faith, and i'm sure other faith leaders are available to go stockholm or go into the bibby stockholm or into places where asylum seekers are it feels a little bit are so it feels a little bit like there's a preying on people who are vulnerable, which i

think is wrong. and the church . think is wrong. and the church. of england shouldn't do that. >> the press gang . >> the press gang. >> the press gang. >> well, that's it's kind of how you just presented it. to be perfectly blunt, you said that they've come in, they've shown kindness, they've gone in and they've talked to them and magically, conversion magically, here is a conversion for that likes to for a church that likes to convert people . so yeah, it does convert people. so yeah, it does feel a little bit like a press. >> but if these people are exposed the exposed to christianity for the first weren't first time, so they weren't particularly religious before. if it's if they are devout muslims, it's unlikely would unlikely that they they would convert. if they're exposed convert. but if they're exposed to it and their conversion is genuine , i can't see what the genuine, i can't see what the problem is there or why the church is doing anything wrong to encourage them where it becomes a problem it's becomes a problem is if it's if it's deception the it's active deception on the part asylum seeker to try part of the asylum seeker to try and stay here. >> what we need to >> and that's what we need to understand. you're understand. and you're saying it's might their it's okay. this might be their first as first introduction as christianity , but you're christianity, but if you're on the stockholm, many the bibby stockholm, how many times being immersed times are you being immersed into a christian service? now for the majority of people, they

go to church on high days and holidays. some people are a little more devout and will go every sunday. i'm not suggesting that suddenly seeker that suddenly an asylum seeker on the bibby stockholm is going to go to evening mass. they're . to go to evening mass. they're. going to go to church on sundays. how how much of this immersion into christianity is dnven driven by the asylum seeker, or how by the how much of it is driven by the church england ? church of england? >> well, it'll be it'll be a meeting won't it? meeting of minds, won't it? i mean, this what mean mean, so this is what i mean about you've christian about if you've got christian groups moving in to groups who are moving in to assist people who are confused and certainly vulnerable, that's what i mean about them being exposed to the religion. >> but don't you think that that is just if they are vulnerable, if they are confused, if they need help, then pushing something with a heavy christian message is only going to lead to one that that person is one outcome that that person is going well . this is this going to go well. this is this must be what i have. >> well, they might just take the aid and not the religion. i

mean, it's really it's really up the aid and not the religion. i m> but i think that we've seen this across the that there this across the world that there are certain, insane options that use order get use christianity in order to get aid into places like africa and they will only be allowed to accept package from accept an aid package from a particular organisation if they take the word of god, if they convert to christianity and it feels a little bit like that's what's happening here, that shouldn't with religion. shouldn't happen with religion. >> feel like bit of a >> it does feel like a bit of a setup doesn't it? look, setup though, doesn't it? look, people suddenly to people converting suddenly to christianity they can't christianity so that they can't be where they be sent back to where they have come , and that now becomes come from, and that now becomes a barrier. that be how we a barrier. that cannot be how we do things. if you want to convert to christianity, you can do things. if you want to corit,rt to christianity, you can do things. if you want to corit,rt toyouistianity, you can do things. if you want to corit,rt toyouistianity do>u can do things. if you want to corit,rt toyouistianity do it.can do it, but you should do it. once is once your asylum claim is accepted rejected, you could accepted or rejected, you could do it. if your asylum claim claims rejected, you cannot convert. i think. and if it's accepted, then do what you like. what think? gb views gb what do you think? gb views gb news. gb news. news. com tweet me at gb news. i'm akua . this is gb news. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. you are listening and watching the clash coming

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good afternoon. it's just coming up to 27 minutes after 3:00. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. we are the election channel, right? i'm nana akua sir keir starmer. it is the clash. sir keir starmer has stated that the labour party are proud to fly the union flag following concerns from opposition mps that it could isolate ethnic minority voters. as if we think we're so stupid, as we'll see a flag and say we won't vote for you, that won't be the reason, keir. some mps deemed that the imagery of campaign leaflets could send the wrong and alienate wrong message and alienate people. but others, including former secretary former home secretary lord blunkett, flag is blunkett, say the flag is

important class important to working class voters shows a sense of voters as it shows a sense of pride in the nation. so let me welcome back to my clashes at gb news. a senior political commentator, and news. a senior political com|former)r, and news. a senior political com|former government and news. a senior political com|former government adviseri also former government adviser claire . i'm going to claire pearsall. i'm going to come to you, nigel, because of course it is a labour. flag or, you know, this is what the labour party are saying, what do you think about this? >> into >> well, let's put it into context. what what context. really what the what the are saying, and these the mps are saying, and these are , these are with, big, are, these are mps with, big, ethnic communities in their constituencies is that the leaflets should be tailored for constituencies rather than some genenc constituencies rather than some generic leaflet being sent out to everybody . be. and the to everybody. be. and the argument is that if you that if you have a leaflet draped in the union jack , when it comes union jack, when it comes through the door, voters may associate it with the hard right, especially if they're an ethnic minority, or alternatively, think as a tory leaflet would not do which leaflet which would not do which would not go very well. so that's the point. the mps are

making nothing wrong with the union wrong union jack, nothing wrong with the flying it, but the labour party flying it, but i also let's also put into i think also let's also put into perspective that draping yourself in the flag doesn't make you a patriot any more than not having the flag that you are a patriot . so not to put too a patriot. so not to put too much emphasis necessarily on the flag, eau claire, i just want to say i'm sorry. >> note of the last bit. yeah. taking yourself in the flag. >> yeah. i mean , you're in the >> yeah. i mean, you're in the united kingdom. there's a general election coming up. the national flag is the union jack. i'm unsurprised , pleased that i'm unsurprised, pleased that politicians want to be able to use it and actually all fair play use it and actually all fair play to them, because be proud of the fact this is your country, this is your flag. and if you are going to assume that people from an ethnic background are either not british and quite are either not british and quite a lot of them are, quite a lot of them were born here. so they are british, so they're not going to be scared, but also , as going to be scared, but also, as nana would an ethnic

nana said, why would an ethnic minority look at a flag minority suddenly look at a flag and just go, oh, well, this is terrible. i couldn't possibly look at leaflet. i must burn look at the leaflet. i must burn it do whatever, because this it or do whatever, because this word have a problem with >> i always have a problem with this that i'm. i'm pleased to be british, but i don't feel i can be proud to be british on the bafisl be proud to be british on the basis i had nothing to do with the fact that i am british. so it's not a it's not an achievement. it's something like, can't proud of brown like, i can't be proud of brown eyes because that's what, hereditary hereditary gave me. >> i just think it's a huge presumption for the labour mps or anyone to think that an ethnic minority might not have an equal sense of patriotism. >> absolutely right . >> absolutely right. >> absolutely right. >> flag. and then somebody who is a white person, because ultimately being british isn't about colour. and i think by doing this, they've kind of i think they've sort of done an almost a joe biden. if you ain't black, you won't vote democrat sort of thing . and i find that a sort of thing. and i find that a bit i find a bit of what bit i find that a bit of what they're is their they're talking about is their own constituencies. they're talking about is their own constitvery,es. they're talking about is their own constitvery, very >> but it's very, very stereotypical say that if stereotypical to say that if you're to put a flag

you're going to put a flag on there, it's going you there, it's going to make you look right wing and look very right wing and therefore not vote for therefore you may not vote for therefore you may not vote for the i think that's therefore you may not vote for tiridiculous i think that's therefore you may not vote for tiridiculous idea,i think that's therefore you may not vote for tiridiculous idea, but nk that's therefore you may not vote for tiridiculous idea, but these it's a ridiculous idea, but these are mps talking about their individual constituencies and saying, why we have saying, why can't we have leaflets that are more targeted for the kind of constituency they represent? >> and if, you know, if it was something focusing on the flag, though, you can have a leaflet that's targeted your constituents. >> part of that target >> but if part of that target is removing of the united removing the flag of the united kingdom, no, it's not, it's not removing it. >> it to be a bit >> they want it to be a bit smaller or make it smaller because, i mean, goes in and because, i mean, it goes in and it like a union jack is it looks like a union jack is dropping your dropping on your on your doorstep. what doorstep. and that's what their complaining doorstep. and that's what their complethat] design saying that let's design these things in a much more targeted way. >> well, i think also the very fact that it would put people off because it's a flag that. but i just think that's a ridiculous statement because it's an election campaign year. people are going to expect and of course, a british party to have the flag of that nation. >> and this is the united kingdom. so that's the flag for

this country. what do you think? gb news. or tweet gb views gb news. com or tweet me at gb i'm nana akua, me at gb news. i'm nana akua, coming it time to reduce coming up, is it time to reduce arms to israel? a leaked memo suggests government lawyers suggests that government lawyers claim israel is breaking international but first, international law. but first, let's latest news let's get your latest news headlines. sanchez . headlines. tatiana sanchez. >> nana. thank you. the top stories this hour. king charles has made his first significant pubuc has made his first significant public appearance since his cancer diagnosis. joined by the queen, he smiled and waved as he left an easter sunday service at saint george's chapel in windsor and went on to greet crowds shaking people's hands. other members of the royal family were also there, but the prince and princess of wales missed the service as catherine continues her cancer treatment . tens of her cancer treatment. tens of thousands of people turned out to see pope francis preside over easter mass at the vatican and the delivery of his urbi et orbi

blessing from the balcony of saint peter's basilica. the pontiff, who's been dealing with health problems, used his address to renew his call for an immediate ceasefire in gaza, as well as the release of all israeli hostages . almost 600 israeli hostages. almost 600 people have been intercepted crossing the channel this weekend despite deteriorating weather conditions. it brings the total number of migrants who've illegally arrived on small boats to more than 5200 this year. that's the third higher than the figure recorded this time last year. a new poll suggests the tories are on track for their worst general election result. survation found the party could win fewer than 100 seats, with labour projected to sweep to power with a landslide victory of 468. the 15,000 person poll indicated the conservatives would be wiped out in scotland and wales, and hold just 98 seats in england . for

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now. next up, a tory mp has claimed that government lawyers believe israel is breaking international law in gaza . international law in gaza. alicia kearns, who is the chair of the foreign affairs select committee , reportedly made the committee, reportedly made the comments at fundraising comments at a tory fundraising event on march the 13th and in a leaked recording, she can be heard saying that the foreign office has received official heard saying that the foreign office advice ceived official heard saying that the foreign office advice that d official heard saying that the foreign office advice that israel:ial heard saying that the foreign officeadvice that israel has legal advice that israel has broken international humanitarian law , but the humanitarian law, but the government have not announced it, they have not said it and they haven't stopped arms exports. so i'm asking, is it time arms exports to time to end arms exports to israel, as other countries are certainly looking to do ? so certainly looking to do? so joining me to discuss. let's welcome again gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson, former government adviser . nelson, former government adviser. claire pearsall claire pearsall. i'll to first. >> yeah . i first. >> yeah. i think first. >> yeah . i think that we need to >> yeah. i think that we need to understand whether this information is actually correct, because it's leaked recording because it's a leaked recording from event and from a fundraising event and nobody has verified whether the information is actually correct. so i think that's one part of it. i also think the people should stop leaking this kind of stuff out to the media in the

first place. at the moment, the government has hasn't said that israel has breached international law. so we need to be able to help our allies. we need to be able to keep funding israel so that they can fight against hamas. now, there are problems within in that whole conflict. and i think the humanitarian aid situation is utterly abhorrent at the moment. and the visuals coming out of people in famine induced states is not good. and i think israel needs to be held a bit more accountable for the lack of humanitarian aid going through. but when it comes to fighting against a terrorist group , then against a terrorist group, then absolutely, we need to be able to play our part in that . but to play our part in that. but equally, they would be able to play equally, they would be able to play and assist us. so at play a part and assist us. so at the moment, the united kingdom and the us are stepping up helping their allies, which is right. if and this is a really big if there is a breach of international law, then we have to look again. >> does seem a bit one sided

though, though they only focus on breaking international on israel breaking international law about on israel breaking international law breaking about on israel breaking international law breaking international»out hamas breaking international law. and surely hamas should stop rockets and stop firing the rockets and return . of course. return the hostages. of course. of course, if they did that, it would finished. would be finished. >> course they >> yeah, of course they should. but mean, but we're not arming but i mean, but we're not arming hamas, over. hamas, so. so the issue is over. well, the issue well, that's. yeah so the issue is should is over whether we should continue claire's continue arming israel. claire's right. it rather depends on whether is actually true, whether this is actually true, whether this is actually true, whether or not there has been official advice to the foreign office to say that that office to say that the that israel is breaking international humanitarian law, if they are and if that advice is genuine, we would have to stop arms sales. that is a condition of the wouldn't that then be us leaving them to be bombed by hamas? >> because you said we're not arming hamas, but but that's true. but hamas probably don't need to comply with international law. well, they're not they're clearly not. if you're only focusing on one side and saying that they're not going along with international law, but you don't care what happens to them, even if you take arms and you're take your arms away and you're allowing now to bomb

allowing hamas now to bomb israel freely. >> well, i mean, that's what would happen. >> we're stuck here with law >> we're stuck here with the law that condition of the that it it is a condition of the export license for arms that the country it goes to does not break international law. but what about hamas, though? what we will then, because we're not supplying hamas. so. so if we remove arms from israel, are remove arms from israel, we are now then? we're now what is that then? we're allowing to be bombed by allowing them to be bombed by hamas. is that what you're. i'm just wondering, because i'm looking the looking at the conclusion, the ending? well, the conclusion they yeah. i mean that not they die. yeah. i mean that not breaching international law, no . breaching international law, no. in fact, i mean, you're allowed to leave people armless to die, but you wouldn't leave them armless. i mean, the interesting bit here is what would happen with i mean, that we with america. i mean, that we said about £42 million worth of arms to israel. america you're talking about 23 billion. so it's a whole different ball game. if america takes the same view, israel is in real trouble . view, israel is in real trouble. so the answer would be don't break international law . break international law. >> yeah, but you're you're asking something which is an uneven playing field. well, no

one person, one part comply one person, one part to comply with international law, but the other part can do whatever they like. >> no, i'm not saying that at all. issue is over. our all. but the issue is over. our arms sales. this is a british issue over arms sales . arms sales. this is a british issue over arms sales. hamas is not part of that equation. we sell arms to various people. it's not a very moral industry . it's not a very moral industry. we sell £10 billion worth of arms to saudi arabia , and arms to saudi arabia, and they've been used to bomb children in yemen. what we're talking about here is, is that in the event that, israel is determined by our lawyers, by our government lawyers to break international law , we cannot international law, we cannot sell them arms because that is conditioned of the export. >> so we can allow them to pensh >> so we can allow them to perish by. i just i'm just finding it a bit odd that we, we hold the moral high ground on this particular moment, thinking that upholding that we're upholding international law when israel are who are are fighting as people who are not needing to comply with it. so it doesn't work . so it doesn't work. >> and i do understand your point, i mean, nigel's point, but, i mean, nigel's right that it is part

right with this, that it is part of the export licence conditions that the country they're going to doesn't breach international law. do get your law. but i mean, i do get your point. are going point. and hamas are going to be funded by some pretty nasty individuals who care not one jot for international law. now, i don't think it would get to the point where israel would have no arms , because i think arms whatsoever, because i think if there was a real serious threat that the uk and the us would remove their exports to israel, then the israeli government would have to think long and hard because, yeah, the implications of it are enormous. if you don't have that stockpile of arms, if you cannot fight that war, then yes, they will be bombed by a terrorist group. so l, bombed by a terrorist group. so i, i can understand your point and i get what you're saying, but think that sometimes but i think that sometimes israel just needs to perhaps look at what is going on, what the lines are drawn in the sand almost and say , okay, right. we almost and say, okay, right. we can see we can change things around . we can do things. we can around. we can do things. we can still get the support of our allies, and we can still win this war.

>> yeah, but but the problem is, i and easy to us i think and it's easy for to us sit say that is that sit here and say that is that israel, before october the israel, even before october the 7th, being bombed by gaza 7th, were being bombed by gaza from know this from gaza. so i know this because i used to talk to uri well before that. and fact, well before that. and in fact, that's to that's why he started talking to me the amount of me because of the amount of rockets coming from rockets that were coming from gaza. reason israel gaza. the only reason israel doesn't gaza doesn't look like gaza is because it has an iron dome, because it has an iron dome, because hamas are constantly because the hamas are constantly firing rockets over to israel. that's right. obviously israel have retaliate to sort of have to retaliate to sort of scare them. so what i think the international community should really be doing is focusing on hamas and them to stop hamas and asking them to stop firing, asking them to release the instead of instead the hostages instead of instead of focusing on israel, saying, we'll your weapons. we'll take away your weapons. >> the what the >> but what the what the international community is saying israel has every saying is that israel has every right to defend itself. but that kind of response must be proportionate. it does have limits. and in the event that they're breaking international law because they've gone over those limits, that rather changes, changes the position of these limits, though, because

israel doesn't like gaza because of an iron dome. >> yeah, gaza looks like the way it does because has no sort it does because it has no sort of from of aerial protection from rockets. yeah. so rockets. yeah, yeah, yeah. so what you're what are these limits you're talking about? because only talking about? because the only reason bombed reason they're getting bombed in that they haven't that way is because they haven't invested the limit. >> the limit is, is whether what israel is doing in gaza is proportionate to what happened on the and in the on october the 7th. and in the event that and i don't know, we can't even get western journalists into gaza that are to report from there because israel won't allow it. but if they get killed, if, well , well, they get killed, if, well, well, i mean, israel won't allow there are other reporters there from from , from elsewhere. but from, from elsewhere. but british get in british reporters can't get in which they should be able to. they've been trying for ages to do do just that. but if you are starving, the population deliberately, that would be a war crime. and that would be an example of breaking international law. isn't that simply a counterproductive something that happens as a result of what i'm trying to think of the word there that you know, you're you're in a war.

>> so the things is >> so one of the things is starvation. you see, africa >> so one of the things is stawell, n. you see, africa >> so one of the things is stawell,there's;ee, africa >> so one of the things is stawell, there's plenty africa as well, there's plenty of food. but that are but the reason that people are starving of civil starving is because of civil unrest. a by—product unrest. so that is a by—product of war. >> but if it's a weapon of war, that's that. that is a war crime. >> but it's a by—product. >> but it's a by—product. >> ultimately, in some respects, yes. but i think if you're going to withhold things like water, electricity, food, electricity, medicine and food, deliberately knowing that civilian populations will die, then that is the breach. >> i doubt that that's i don't believe that's what's happening. i pretty i suspect that it's pretty difficult in difficult to get things in there. also when they have there. and also when they have sent in there, the people sent in aid in there, the people have killed other have literally killed each other to this look, to get this aid. but look, because desperate, to get this aid. but look, becalthey desperate, to get this aid. but look, becalthey are desperate, to get this aid. but look, becalthey are desperate.rate, to get this aid. but look, becalthey are desperate. yes. well, they are desperate. yes. but i would i would again but then i would i would again go and say, stop go back to hamas and say, stop firing rockets back firing the rockets and give back the hostages. all be the hostages. this could all be oven the hostages. this could all be over. stay tuned. what the hostages. this could all be oveyou stay tuned. what the hostages. this could all be oveyou think? stay tuned. what the hostages. this could all be oveyou think? gb/ tuned. what the hostages. this could all be oveyou think? gb viewsi. what the hostages. this could all be oveyou think? gb views out hat the hostages. this could all be oveyou think? gb views out gb do you think? gb views out gb news. up, the news. com coming up, the controversial children's gender news. com coming up, the contro�*theial children's gender news. com coming up, the contro�*the tavistock n's gender news. com coming up, the contro�*the tavistock centre|der news. com coming up, the contro�* closes'istock centre|der news. com coming up, the contro�* closes its)ck centre|der news. com coming up, the contro�* closes its doors 1tre|der finally closes its doors following years of public

good afternoon . welcome on good afternoon. welcome on board. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. it's fast approaching. 11 minutes to 4:00. coming up, the tavistock . i'm getting this. tavistock. i'm getting this. this is the one that gets me every time the tavistock gender identity development service has closed for good. two years after a report highlighted major concerns clinic , the concerns about the clinic, the review, led by doctor hilary cass, warned that having one clinic was not as safe or viable .long clinic was not as safe or viable . long term option. she recommended a number of regional centres gender services that centres for gender services that should be established instead . should be established instead. now the nhs trust responsible for the tavistock clinic said it supported the plans and the staff have worked tirelessly and under intense scrutiny in difficult climate. this comes on international transgender day of visibility, which is today an annual celebration dedicated to raising awareness of discrimination faced by the community. so let's welcome again to my head to head a senior political commentator, nigel nelson, and also former government adviser claire pearsall. okay i think i'll come

to you. nigel nelson, tavistock clinic . what are your thoughts clinic. what are your thoughts on, on on that. well, i mean that i think it's right that, it was closed . was closed. >> it is right that regional centres are being opened. there'll be one at great ormond street hospital in london, one at alder hey children's hospital in liverpool. they will open in april. there's been some worries about the increase in the number of people who go there. 5000 children going there for treatment compared to 150 ten years ago, a bit of a rise , years ago, a bit of a rise, isn't it? yeah, so all those things are right. but i mean, the point basically is that the work that tavistock is doing will continue . it's not as if will continue. it's not as if we've actually stopped it, some things from the investigation have happened, like , body have happened, like, body changing hormones have been banned or will be banned, both in the private sector and the nhs, and the nhs will no longer,

longer give out puberty blockers. >> but can't you get them privately ? claire pearsall. privately? claire pearsall. >> yeah, you can you can get them privately. and i think that's half the problem. i think it's amount it's an astonishing amount of young who are seeking young people who are seeking this kind of treatment , for this kind of treatment, for gender dysphoria or many other reasons. and i, and i think that we need to perhaps be a little bit careful. i mean, the tavistock clinic has not covered itself in glory . it started off itself in glory. it started off as quite a positive in invention. however, it rushed people through into transitioning when they perhaps weren't entirely ready. handed out puberty blockers with very little thought to the individual and what follow up care was being taken. so i'm pretty pleased that actually that this has closed. think need has been closed. i think we need to careful young to be careful with young people's lives. need to people's lives. we need to listen to what they say, listen to what their concerns are. but but not rush into something which is fundamentally going to change them as an individual for the rest of their lives. so i don't think a child and i, you know, and i stress this, that

child should make these decisions. i think if you overrate what at what age, i think you need to be over 18. i think you need to be over 18. i think if you're going to make long term physical changes to your body, need to be an your body, you need to be an aduu your body, you need to be an adult we consider an adult. and if we consider an aduu adult. and if we consider an adult that's what it adult to be 18, that's what it must be. i think you can look at therapy, you can look at the reasons why somebody is unhappy. but these lasting but i think these lasting changes should not be doled out to children. >> nigel, i don't think there should be an age limit on it. i think it depends on the individual. >> 1314 is fine. people can make that decision. >> i think that it depends on the individual. again, i wouldn't want to put an age on it because otherwise someone says, oh, well, what do you think a year and think about a four year old? and obviously that be obviously that would be ridiculous. well, they have been talking scotland. talking about that in scotland. but if you're getting to but but if you're getting to getting if getting becoming a teenager, if you, you are diagnosed with gender dysphoria , i think it's gender dysphoria, i think it's for the medical professionals to decide what is the most appropriate treatment in that situation . it's madness. situation. it's madness. >> because, listen, most people who go through this and those

who go through this and those who hadn't, didn't through who hadn't, didn't go through the of the change then kind of recalibrate after puberty. i think we are medicalizing something that a natural something that is a natural thing, puberty, where i think young determine and learn young people determine and learn about their own sexuality, about their gender, and how they want to progress in life. and of course, that's the development of your sexual organs and of all your sexual organs and things that. soon things like that. it's too soon to working thinking to be working out or thinking that stereotype because that you're a stereotype because let's honest, a gender or, let's be honest, a gender or, you know, is a stereotype of sex. so what a man might be doing or what a boy or a girl might be doing, it's completely it's. but i'd rather treat them as not as stereotypes, but as individuals that you actually treat each each person in the situation as an individual and treat them as such. >> but we also know that the teenage years are really, really difficult. they're really complicated. and that's why i think that you should hold off on that treatment, because you do change your mind. oh well, i was just about to say that the tavistock centre will read that later. >> but this is gb news on tv,

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7 its meaning? are we losing faith ? all of that in just a moment, then, for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking , is debate this hour, i'm asking, is it time to call a general election? said that twice, election? i've said that twice, but got it the wrong way but i got it the wrong way round. don't worry, paul duddndge us duddridge will be live giving us the going on the latest from what's going on across at five it across the pond. then at five it might outside. guest be might outside. guest i'll be speaking of people. one speaking to lots of people. one lady in particular, a lady called mckenna . she's one called fiona mckenna. she's one of the campaigners for sex matters. before get started, of the campaigners for sex mattiget before get started, of the campaigners for sex mattiget beforlatest|et started, of the campaigners for sex mattiget beforlatest news|rted, let's get your latest news headunes. headlines. >> nana. thank you. it's 4:00. these are the top stories, king charles has made his first significant public appearance since his cancer diagnosis. joined by the queen, he smiled and waved as he left an easter sunday service at saint george's chapelin sunday service at saint george's chapel in windsor and went on to greet crowds as other members of the royal family were also there. but the prince and princess of wales missed the service as catherine continues her cancer treatment. our royal correspondent cameron walker says this was an important moment for the monarch .

moment for the monarch. >> king was very much determined to attend this very important eventin to attend this very important event in the christian calendar. he himself, of course , is head he himself, of course, is head of the church of england , so he of the church of england, so he would have had a very strong religious feeling, needing to be there. but of course, there's another reason, and that is to provide a message of reassurance to the british following to the british public following the princess wales's separate the princess of wales's separate cancer diagnosis and her treatment . at treatment. at >> meanwhile, the archbishop of canterbury has wished the king and princess of wales well dunng and princess of wales well during his easter sermon at canterbury cathedral, justin welby the welby encouraged the congregation charles congregation to pray for charles and praised their and catherine and praised their dignity as they both undergo treatment for cancer . pope treatment for cancer. pope francis has presided over easter mass at the vatican. tens of thousands of people turned out to see the pontiff, and the delivery of his urbi et orbi blessing from the balcony of saint peter's basilica. pope francis, who's been dealing with health recent weeks,

health problems in recent weeks, used to renew his used his address to renew his call an immediate ceasefire call for an immediate ceasefire in gaza, along with the release of all israeli hostages . well, of all israeli hostages. well, in his easter message, the prime minister paid tribute to the work of churches and christian communities across the country. >> happy easter everyone ! >> happy easter everyone! >> happy easter everyone! >> this weekend, as people come together to celebrate and reflect on the message at the heart of the easter festival , i heart of the easter festival, i want to pay tribute to the incredible work of christians in this country. the churches, charities, volunteers and fundraisers who live the christian values of compassion , christian values of compassion, charity and self—sacrifice supporting those in need and demonstrating what it means to love thy neighbour. >> sir keir starmer also posted on social media saying it's a time for optimism and new beginnings. the easter messages come as a new poll suggests the tories are on track for their worst general election result. survation found the party could win fewer than 100 seats, with

labour predicted to sweep to power with a landslide victory of 468 seats. the 15,000 person poll indicated the conservatives would be wiped out in scotland and wales , and hold just 98 and wales, and hold just 98 seats in england . in other news, seats in england. in other news, deteriorating weather conditions have failed to deter migrants in the channel almost 600 people were intercepted in small boats this weekend despite strengthening winds. it brings the total number of those who've arrived illegally to more than 5200 this year. that's the third higher than the figure recorded this time last year. people smugglers are being accused of putting their lives in danger by launching overcrowded dinghies that can't handle large swells . that can't handle large swells. and the energy secretary has warned that labour's dangerous net zero plans would leave britain at the mercy of china . britain at the mercy of china. labour has pledged to convert the country to clean power by 2035 years earlier than the conservatives. but claire

coutinho told the telegraph the plan would leave the uk overreliant on chinese made metals , cables and batteries metals, cables and batteries just as europe was weaning off itself off russian oil and gas. for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts. now it's back to . nana. now it's back to. nana. >> thank you tatiana. it's just coming up to five minutes after 4:00. this is a gb news news. we are britain's election channel. i'm nana akua. are britain's election channel. i'm nana akua . has easter lost i'm nana akua. has easter lost its meaning ? are we losing its meaning? are we losing faith? i can remember when i was young, i went to a roman catholic convent school run by nuns. catholic convent school run by nuns . and before that, nuns. and before that, a catholic secondary school. for a year. catholic secondary school. for a year . easter catholic secondary school. for a year. easter was a big deal. the religious message was central. the lord has sent his only begotten son, jesus christ, who died on the cross to save

mankind . and then, of course, mankind. and then, of course, the resurrection. it was all about sacrifice and renewal. yes, of course, i love the easter eggs. my favourite. definitely the white chocolate ones. in fact, i will confess to eating the white chocolate easter egg that lizzie cundy gave me yesterday. i polished it off before i went to bed, but i knew what easter was about. but why does it feel like everywhere i look , christian traditions are i look, christian traditions are being every being marginalised for every other faith in this country, it feels like the uk is losing its way. take the bbc, our publicly funded broadcaster. they've been blasted and accused of turning its back on christian britain after dropping its coverage of the traditional easter service at king's college , a show which at king's college, a show which has been part of the channel's festive programming for well over a decade, dropping it in favour of other religious coverage and the bbc's flagship radio show, desert island discs. that sparked uproar after it ianed that sparked uproar after it invited a prominent atheist on their good friday edition . what

their good friday edition. what were they thinking? professor alice roberts , a scientist and alice roberts, a scientist and the vice president of the humanists uk charity, refused to take a bible with her, saying well , i'm take a bible with her, saying well, i'm not having the bible because i'm a humanist. why feature her on good friday? it makes no sense . many christian makes no sense. many christian groups were clearly upset and claimed the beeb were trying to minimise the religion's role in british culture. the chief executive of christian concern, andrew williams, stated the bbc's motto nation shall speak peace unto nation is biblical in origin . she went on to say the origin. she went on to say the more the bbc seeks to forget and minimise the primary role of the christian faith, shaping this nation, the darker all things become . but it's not just them. become. but it's not just them. the other week, network rail were forced to remove an islamic message on the departure board at london's king's cross, wishing happy ramadan. again, at london's king's cross, wishing wrong ramadan. again, at london's king's cross, wishing wrong with adan. again, at london's king's cross, wishing wrong with the 1. again, at london's king's cross, wishing wrong with the message, nothing wrong with the message, but i doubt they've got up but i doubt they've got one up this saying easter this weekend saying happy easter . i mean, maybe they have, but i

doubt it very much these days. we're even scared to use the word christmas. just in case we offend others. i've count offend others. i've lost count offend others. i've lost count of number of times of the number of times christianity has been overshadowed to accommodate other . there's nothing other religions. there's nothing racist or xenophobic about wanting to uphold the christian traditions of this country. first, we are after all, a christian country. by all means incorporate other religions into this country. but we are. but we shouldn't lose track of our traditions, which i believe must be serviced first. although i can why many are losing can see why many are losing faith. i mean, it doesn't help when you've got christianity being used as a stay in the uk card some church leaders card with some church leaders appearing to willingly convert known sex offending migrants to the to assist their asylum the faith to assist their asylum claims. ezedi the most claims. abdul ezedi the most recent example of this, he went on to attack his partner and her children with a corrosive substance that he accidentally got face and wound got on his own face and wound up in thames. he apparently, in the thames. he apparently, despite converting to christianity, muslim christianity, had a muslim funeral. whilst we live in a

multi—faith society and i respect all religions, we are a christian country and it's time for us to put christianity first. so before we get stuck into the debates, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, is it time to call a general election? rishi sunak and his labour counterpart sir keir starmer, released their easter messages. extremely dull both, i must say, as a poll reveals, the prime minister could lose his seat in the upcoming general election. then, at 458, it's worldview will cross live to los angeles with paul duddridge, the host of the politics people podcast, to get the going on the latest on what's going on with donald trump and his new york civil fraud case, then stay tuned at five, it's this week's outside the director of campaigns at sex matters, fiona mackenzie mccain . i can't say it mackenzie mccain. i can't say it now. mckenna will be joining us live to talk about trans athletes in women's sports .

athletes in women's sports. that's coming up in the next houn that's coming up in the next hour. tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. email gb views gb news. or email gb views gb news. com or tweet at . gb news. i also tweet me at. gb news. i also pristine is it imaginations? i don't know, she's the one that told me it was. all right. let's welcome again to my what it looked guess it looked like. well, i guess it was. hope i've said was. thank you. i hope i've said that right, fiona. she will correct i'm sure. let's correct me, i'm sure. but let's welcome panel author welcome again to my panel author and christine and broadcaster christine hamilton, broadcaster hamilton, and also broadcaster and kelly. and journalist danny kelly. christine, you've come as a little easter chick. have , little easter chick. i have, she, hasn't she? well, it's very bright, i must say, when it's . i bright, i must say, when it's. i love this beacon. i love the show. i'm not a billie eilish , a show. i'm not a billie eilish, a ballista beacon, a star beacon. yeah, i suppose i do look like it. well, i've got the navy trousers on, so i suppose . but trousers on, so i suppose. but you can't see that, so. >> i just think to >> no, i just think what to wear. grab something. >> no, i just think what to weil. grab something. >> no, i just think what to wet! thought grab something. >> no, i just think what to wet! thought easter, omething. >> no, i just think what to wet! thought easter, i've thing. >> no, i just think what to wet! thought easter, i've got g. >> i thought easter, i've got two yellow tops and two bright yellow tops and i chose this one. >> well, thought you'd be >> well, you thought you'd be isla bryson today. well, that's. >> that is difficult to do.

>> that is difficult to do. >> oh, christine, i'll start with you. what do you think ? are with you. what do you think? are we losing our way as a kind of minimising our own faith in this country? >> 100. >> 100. >> we are. and my personal view is that the bbc deliberately chose that lady. >> i forget her name to go out on good friday because they want to rub our noses in it. >> those of us who want to uphold christian tradition, uphold the christian tradition, and who want to hang and those of us who want to hang on fact this is a on to the fact that this is a christian country person who doesn't hanging doesn't help. hanging on to that, the that, of course, is the archbishop of canterbury who does his best? >> does in my husband >> well, he does in my husband calls him the arch bedwetter of canterbury. his best, canterbury. he does his best, bless him. >> he's not to defend >> he's not here to defend himself. no . is he himself. so, you know, no. is he not? no he isn't. he should be in the green room . in the green room. >> but come on. what did he do? he the. he was straight he was the. he was straight out of down all of the gate shutting down all the covid. the churches during covid. >> didn't he he doesn't >> he he didn't he he doesn't force people away from the church. >> but does not encourage >> but he does not encourage people come church. >> but he does not encourage peo he come church. >> but he does not encourage peo he all come church. >> but he does not encourage peo he all his|e church. >> but he does not encourage peo he all his politicking|. >> but he does not encourage peo he all his politicking and >> he all his politicking and goodness knows what. but no, i think it's absolutely

ridiculous. and too many organisations like the beeb and other seem to think they other people seem to think they have to bend over backwards. to be fair, to other religions, forgetting that this a forgetting that this is a christian country and the christian country and the christian faith should be first and foremost in this country and never forget that the faith that is the most persecuted throughout the world are christians. >> people just assume that because we're all fine in this country where we are , but in country where we are, but in other parts of the world, the christians are horrendously persecuted and we need to stand up for i'm a christian. >> stand up for our faith. >> and i think, do you go to church? appalling. well, i should no, you don't, should have been. no, you don't, do you? >> gm- gm— >> that's a great question. i. >> that's a great question. i. >> let finish. >> excuse me, let me finish. >> excuse me, let me finish. >> great. >> that's a great. >> that's a great. >> have been at church >> i should have been at church this our church is this morning, but our church is because quite a long way this morning, but our church is betravel, quite a long way this morning, but our church is betravel, to quite a long way this morning, but our church is betravel, to comeite a long way this morning, but our church is betravel, to come here long way this morning, but our church is betravel, to come here forg way this morning, but our church is betravel, to come here for the ay to travel, to come here for the pleasure being you. pleasure of being with you. >> both. i couldn't >> i can't do both. i couldn't go to our sunday church at 11:00 in norton parish church because i had to catch the train. >> , but listen, the bbc would >> oh, but listen, the bbc would argue that they are not doing it deliberately as you kind of suggest, are

suggest, but that they are doing this door to other this to open the door to other faiths and other. >> it seems a bit odd, though. on friday. >> it seems a bit odd, though. on danny riday. >> it seems a bit odd, though. on danny kenny, unless >> danny kenny, unless you're a devout and reason devout christian and the reason i said that's a great question is because unless you are a devout christian, i didn't realise were a devout christian. >> didn't was a devout >> i didn't say i was a devout christian. she asked me if i went i'm not squad or i went to i'm not a god squad or i don't it down. don't force it down. >> other people, i believe. >> other people, i believe. >> a practising christian? >> yes. >> em- gall gal- gal— >> i mean, if you if you don't need go to church to a need to go to church to be a practising. i was just going to say that. no, of course practising. i was just going to say don't.�*|at. no, of course practising. i was just going to say don't. lit. no, of course practising. i was just going to say don't. i believe,: course practising. i was just going to say don't. i believe, and rse practising. i was just going to say don't. i believe, and i;e practising. i was just going to say don't. i believe, and i try you don't. i believe, and i try and live my life, i fail, but i try by try and live my life by christian principles. but let's give well, give it, okay? all right. well, so you pray to god. so you pray. you pray to god. she probably doesn't. okay. that's she probably doesn't. okay. thatin the race, if you like, or dog in the race, if you like, or a dog in the fight. but a lot of people, easter is just irrelevant because they're not devout christians compared to christmas , compared to christmas, compared to christmas. now, i was brought up a catholic as irrelevant, no. but culturally it's far more significant than easter. culturally, as a as a society, christmas is far more relevant. anyway. carry on easter. okay,

so are we becoming what's the question? are we becoming less religious a society? religious as a society? >> losing our way? you >> are we losing our way? you know, because we a christian country? >> very much so. fewer people. okay, so so okay, well, it's so it's so basic, i'm fewer basic, but i'm blunt. fewer people are going to church. fewer are practising fewer people are practising christianity. yes, we are christianity. so yes, we are losing faith and can look losing our faith and we can look at losing our faith. at why we're losing our faith. and have the answer and i don't have the answer to that. was driving down this that. i was driving down this morning and i was or this afternoon i was reading some statistics . what's the driving? statistics. what's the driving? >> no, no, wasn't it >> no, no, he wasn't reading. it was outside. >> i was i was watching the football i also football outside. and i was also out there i also doing out there. i was also just doing a research just about a bit of research just about half hour ago. and, you know, half an hour ago. and, you know, you the is the you know, islam is the is the fastest religion in this fastest growing religion in this country i didn't country in london. i didn't realise but there's realise this, but there's like 1.5 muslims in london, 1.5 million muslims in london, in the capital, birmingham, probably proportionally just as many. coventry proportionally just as many. now islam islam is a religion where people practice it more wholeheartedly than christianity. >> that's why we've become so sort of lethargic towards christianity. and also people like justin welby, who sort of

put people i think he puts he puts me off christianity. he does.i puts me off christianity. he does. i think he's okay. >> well, i think people are. i think people are coming to the conclusion that maybe is conclusion that maybe there is no and ideologically, it's no god. and ideologically, it's easier to come to that conclusion you're conclusion if you're from a christian household than from an islamic household, because islamic household, because islamic households ideologically tend be stricter when tend to be a lot stricter when it comes to upbringing their children. like children. whereas if you like western and those western christians and those values associated with western christian households, that they will allow people to say, well , will allow people to say, well, actually, i'm going to be an atheist or i'm agnostic and you're not allowed necessarily to do that. >> well, i suppose what you're saying there is, because lot saying there is, because a lot of islamic countries have of the islamic countries have theocratic regimes, which is where only one faith is secular. we're secular. we are a multi—faith society, so other faiths would have to be hidden under the carpet . under the carpet. >> unfortunately, we're secular, aren't we, christine? >> nobody is saying that >> well, nobody is saying that other faiths should be crowded out. >> what i'm h emma- erw- >> what i'm trying to say is that country is a christian that this country is a christian country, and that should be

foremost. >> and yes, don't have the >> and yes, we don't have the leadership . the christian church leadership. the christian church doesn't have the leadership. >> desirable . >> that would be desirable. >> that would be desirable. >> let's hope that somebody will come along shortly. >> find it to me. >> but i just find it to me. i find it wrong that whichever station it was puts a message up for happy ramadan doesn't think of putting a happy, happy easter. well, they might have doneit easter. well, they might have done it now, but i don't think it's something they would have done by paddington. didn't see done by paddington. i didn't see anything. a look my. >> i'm sure that at christmas time message are time those message boards are full christmas . i don't full of happy christmas. i don't know, i bet you i bet you they are. the difference is happy festive difference are. the difference is happy fe the difference are. the difference is happy fe the that difference are. the difference is happy fe the that i difference are. the difference is happy fe the that i didn't'ence are. the difference is happy fe the that i didn't likee is the thing that i didn't like about that message was that it was giving a. it was almost like preaching a passage from the quran. wasn't just a quran. okay? it wasn't just a happy ramadan or whatever it's called. was like was called. it was like a it was like a piece of literature, like lift straight from the quran. >> and that's what i wouldn't be bothered about that as long as they did the equal thing with, you christianity and you know, christianity and i don't see that what i see is a more restrictive approach

towards anyone to even towards anyone who wants to even show christian faith . so show their christian faith. so remember that woman who wasn't allowed to wear her cross? but yet could wear a turban, or yet you could wear a turban, or you whatever your you could wear whatever your religious or you religious thing is, or you could wear or whatever. wear a burqa or whatever. you wear a burqa or whatever. you wear over your face or wear your veil over your face or whatever, but you weren't allowed the cross. that allowed to wear the cross. that what do is what they're trying to do is, is squeeze out christianity. and you exactly the lady you mentioned exactly the lady who couldn't wear the cross, but and boy scuffed the quran. >> look what happened to the school. i can't remember the details but anybody details of that now, but anybody who offends the who even slightly offends the muslim religion is hauled over the coals. >> whereas you can say what you like christianity. >> whereas you can say what you like nobodyzhristianity. >> whereas you can say what you like nobodyzhristian about it. >> nobody worries about it. >> nobody worries about it. >> being squeezed out gradually. >> that's because people are frightened of the consequence of criticising islam. you know, people no people aren't. there are no consequences of criticising jesus christ or christianity . no jesus christ or christianity. no one's going to come round and beat you out, lop your head off. >> that's not necessarily the truth. mean, doesn't truth. i mean, that doesn't necessarily it? necessarily happen, does it? >> it that's the thing. >> if you want to have the issue of batley spen, the of batley and spen, where the teacher exactly for three years he's he's still hiding. >> and i'll tell what, if he

>> and i'll tell you what, if he came town, i bet you >> and i'll tell you what, if he camtbe town, i bet you >> and i'll tell you what, if he camtbe violently'n, i bet you >> and i'll tell you what, if he camtbe violently assaulted)u >> and i'll tell you what, if he camtbe violently assaulted .1 >> and i'll tell you what, if he camtbe violently assaulted . you he'd be violently assaulted. you wouldn't with christianity. >> i bet you he'd think >> i bet you he'd be. i think he'd be he potentially he'd be killed. he potentially could you can't could be. you know, you can't say that's obviously say that. but that's obviously he's his life. he's obviously fearing his life. >> is why the president, >> which is why the president, the precedence where the historical precedence where people islam and people have criticised islam and look , he wrote look at salman rushdie, he wrote a book criticising islam. he's lucky be alive . yeah. and lucky to be alive. yeah. and there's been a fatwa on his head for 20 years. you wouldn't for 20 years. and you wouldn't get christianity , get that with christianity, would you? >> well, it doesn't it doesn't look that way. but think it's look that way. but i think it's important peaceful important that we peaceful religion. don't know religion. well, i don't know about hold on. about that. no, no. hold on. because been many because there have been many wars through wars that started through christianity you can christianity as well. so you can say there are, you say that. but there are, you know, was know, christianity, there was a lot violence years ago know, christianity, there was a lot \okay.:e years ago know, christianity, there was a lot \okay. in years ago know, christianity, there was a lot \okay. in current,ars ago in, oh, okay. in current, current day, i would claim that christianity is a more peaceful, a more live and let live and a less . less. >> and the word is tolerant. tolerant? yes, live and let live. >> it's more tolerant. >> it's more tolerant. >> so strict interpreters of islam are intolerant. they there is no tolerance. vast majority of muslims are tolerant.

>> you could say that about strict interpreters of christianity. they will probably be well. so, for be intolerant as well. so, for example , so for example, if you example, so for example, if you were to say, say gay marriage or any things that those who any of the things that those who strictly of strictly follow the code of christianity, they will christianity, then they will stay with that code. so some of those are also intolerant. >> you're there are >> you're right. but there are no for criticising. >> you're right. but there are no well for criticising. >> you're right. but there are no well be. for criticising. >> you're right. but there are no well be. fdon't icising. >> you're right. but there are no well be. fdon't think]. >> well be. no, i don't think i go around. >> i gave you a couple of examples. justin, justin welby, don't killing don't go around killing homosexuals, ? homosexuals, do they? >> well, no, but you know i don't. is that something that we haven't seen that specifically happen this with happen in this country with islam have we haven't islam either? have we haven't seen well, you seen what? well, you said homosexuals kill it, killing homosexual, you know, not in this country, but they are in other countries. well, i mean, look, they were thrown off a tall . well, that's what tall building. well, that's what you over their well, you put over their head. well, that people have said, that is what people have said, but i mean, i think but i don't i mean, i think there video evidence it , there is video evidence of it, plenty hard video plenty of plenty of hard video evidence, not in uk evidence, i think not in the uk though, but ultimately it's come back question with regard back to the question with regard to that we are not to the fact that we are not focusing on christianity this focusing on christianity in this country. not. i

country. well, we're not. i mean, we have to talk about the festive christmas festive season at christmas time. to talk about we time. we have to talk about we don't eggs. don't have to gesture eggs. >> iceland the food >> you get iceland, the food retailer ticks on the retailer who have ticks on the top of their hot cross buns. apparently they still have the hot cross ones available, but they thought those offend they thought those might offend their non christian customers. >> so they had one with the take the hot . you i think the hot. you know, i think that's this that's a problem with this country that seem country in general that we seem to be we're very accommodating which is great. but then we'll bend to bend over backwards to accommodate. then we don't bend over backwards to acconto odate. then we don't bend over backwards to accontoodate. accommodatel't bend over backwards to acconto odate. accommodate our seem to want to accommodate our own i think that for own thing. and i think that for fear being called racist or fear of being called racist or xenophobic worried that xenophobic or we're worried that someone will say, oh, well, you're prevalence you're giving undue prevalence to you're to your own thing. and you're and i think it's time we just were of you know, were proud of even, you know, being tradition, were proud of even, you know, being just tradition, were proud of even, you know, being just ourselvesn, we've just allowed ourselves to be many ways i >> -- >> god bless you. god bless you too. on the most holy of days. god bless you. >> thank you. danny kelly, you're welcome. i don't know what that's about. >> what about? >> what is he about? >> what is he about? >> don't what's wrong >> i don't know what's wrong with danny, with him. thank you. danny, thank just tuned in, thank you. if you just tuned in, it's coming up to 21 it's just coming up to 21 minutes this is gb minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. we are the people's

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gb news. good afternoon. just coming up to 24 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. it's time now for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, is it time to call a general election ? the prime general election? the prime minister, sunak, a minister, rishi sunak, struck a very tone his easter very positive tone in his easter message, giving the impression that in the world. that all was rosy in the world. >> happy easter everyone ! >> happy easter everyone! >> happy easter everyone! >> this weekend, as people come together to celebrate and reflect on the message at the heart of the easter festival , i heart of the easter festival, i want to pay tribute to the

incredible work of christians in this country the churches, charities, volunteers and fundraisers who live the christian values of compassion, charity and self—sacrifice, supporting those in need and demonstrating what it means to love thy neighbour. >> however, the latest polling suggests that his easter message could not just be rishi sunak's last one as prime minister, but also as an mp. the seat by seat analysis predicts that the conservatives will win just 98 seats at the next election, with sunak himself less than 2.5 points ahead of labour in his own richmond constituency. meanwhile, sir keir starmer's easter message was shamelessly political as he seeks to position himself as the prime minister in waiting. >> i think faith is really important. i think that's a place where people can invest a lot of themselves and comfort and hope and a sense of security. we have to speak the nafion security. we have to speak the nation as it is, not as we would like it to be, and give that

bafic like it to be, and give that basic reassurance and hope that things can change and a sense of renewal , which things can change and a sense of renewal, which is how do you actually take your country forward so that you can genuinely say, in ten years time, it is a better place now than it was? >> so for the great british debate this year, i'm asking, is it time to call a general election? but before we do that, just to say that in our discussion earlier, obviously the discussion reared into the path of extreme elements of islam , and obviously that not islam, and obviously that is not representative many who representative of many who support that religion in this country. right so to debate the subject, i'm joined by former government adviser claire pearsall gb news, a senior political commentator, nigel nelson, broadcaster and lawyer andrew and political andrew eborn, and political editor express, editor of the express, david maddox . editor of the express, david maddox. david editor of the express, david maddox . david maddox, editor of the express, david maddox. david maddox, i editor of the express, david maddox . david maddox, i want to maddox. david maddox, i want to start with because you wrote start with you because you wrote a very interesting piece in the express. your thoughts express. what are your thoughts on this? >> i'm having an election. >> well, i'm having an election. >> well, i'm having an election. >> i have to say, i wondered just looking at the prime minister there, giving his easter message , if in the back easter message, if in the back of his mind he was hoping for

his own miraculous resurrection, because that's obviously what he's, trying to buy time for, which is why we're sort of delayed until, probably the autumn for, for a general election, frankly, for people like me who sit in parliament each week and watch on wednesday afternoon as the as the mps flee for the exit doors , we can see. for the exit doors, we can see. but very little is going on. this government has very little left to give. and, you know, probably it is time for election. and arguably it was time for an election when he became prime minister, yeah, that been wise that that would have been wise for them to do that there. but obviously i don't think they would have won that either. i think a lot of them were buying time. oh, very simple. the, was the survey done >> the, was it the survey done by survation talks about starvation effectively for the political party, the tories. 98, just 98 seats. they're predicting a stonking labour majority of 286. so clearly if the tories want to do something, i reckon that in the next few

months things are going to get better for them. you're going to see more results. they talk about sort of stop the boats and if don't stop boats, if you don't stop the boats, it's stop votes . so it's going to stop the votes. so you see success there. you need to see success there. inflation already much lower inflation is already much lower than was when was than it was when he was predicting going predicting he was going to reduce from it's clearly reduce it from 11. it's clearly significantly better that. significantly better than that. that victory. if that was an easy victory. so if he's the basis he's he's working on the basis he's got the way effectively got all the way effectively until of january, when got all the way effectively untivery, of january, when got all the way effectively untivery, very of january, when got all the way effectively untivery, very finaliuary, when got all the way effectively untivery, very final date, when the very, very final date, the election and i would election has to be, and i would bide because at the moment bide time because at the moment trust is at an all time low. and i say that trust comes in on foot and leaves on horseback. but are voting against but people are voting against it. as you say, wasn't very it. as you say, it wasn't very inspiring. easter message from either them, quite frankly. either of them, quite frankly. so actually voting so people are actually voting against something rather than positively for something. >> time to >> claire pearsall is it time to call election? call a general election? >> we need to be >> i don't think we need to be hasty and call immediately. i hasty and call it immediately. i think have the think he did have the opportunity run it in may, opportunity to run it in may, but has decided that's the but has decided that's not the time . i don't think we need to time. i don't think we need to worry the summer. it's worry about the summer. it's going have to be the autumn. going to have to be the autumn. it's be miserable it's going to be miserable whenever this is, it is going to

be miserable for the conservative party i don't think the polls will stay anywhere near as far apart as they are at the moment. polls would always tend to close naturally when it comes election . comes up to a general election. and you also need to bear in mind we need an opposition who has got the numbers, who is going to hold a government to account . so i don't think account. so i don't think anybody party get anybody needs any party to get wiped out . anybody needs any party to get wiped out. but i do think the general public are losing patience with rishi sunak and the government as whole the government as a whole because are not giving because they are not giving anybody any hope. they're not giving a reason to vote. giving people a reason to vote. but equally, the labour party now has everything to lose because it needs up with because it needs to come up with the policies that it's going to put forward. it's simply not good enough to just be not the conservative party. good enough to just be not the con nigel ive party. good enough to just be not the con nigel ive part'well , i'd good enough to just be not the con nigelive part'well , i'd like >> nigel nelson well, i'd like to see the conservative party put out its put out of its misery as soon as possible. and the nation as well. so the earlier the election comes, the better. obviously better. they were obviously planning to go for may the 2nd, but the plan wasn't working.

they didn't get the flights off to off to rwanda . the budget has to off to rwanda. the budget has not done anything to change tory fortunes , with the latest poll fortunes, with the latest poll putting them nearly 2029 points behind labour. but i don't see anything getting any better on the basis of that . let's have an the basis of that. let's have an election as soon as possible, what about andrew? they were talking about a league table for migrants. i don't know whether you heard about that, that they published the league table of the best migrants or the least worst behaving ones. i mean, could that be a policy clincher that would help them do better, perhaps, than the. >> they have have >> i think they have to have success somewhere is the reality. things success somewhere is the realiget things success somewhere is the realiget better. things success somewhere is the realiget better. i things success somewhere is the realiget better. i guarantee in will get better. i guarantee in the next months that the gap the next few months that the gap between the parties is going to close . and i would remind close. and i would remind everybody that effectively, you remember what happened with trump versus clinton, and everybody went to assuming everybody went to bed assuming that had won and wake up that clinton had won and wake up in the morning and there's donald. i do think we're going to have one of those moments. and if the tories can hold it

out and get success in those sort of pledges, the five pledges, think you'll find pledges, i think you'll find that around. that fortunes will turn around. >> serious? >> and are you serious? >> and are you serious? >> i providing a bit of >> i, i providing a bit of balance on this on a basis of fact, as i often do. >> final word to you, david. >> final word to you, david. >> look, i think the problem was nigel referred to it there was that he wanted to go on may the 2nd, and basically his mps put a gun to his head and said, no, you're not, because we don't want to be out of a job sooner. rather later, frankly, rather than later, but frankly, it's very good advice coming it's a very good advice coming from a former cabinet minister, nigel and i know quite well david mundell, which is , if you david mundell, which is, if you look at history, if you wait till the last minute , the result till the last minute, the result is even worse. it's always even worse. but it was going earlier, and the temptation is to hang on for as long as you can. but frankly, they are heading for a disaster. i mean, john curtis says 99% labour are likely to win, but the conservatives are way things are going are heading to a complete catastrophe . but

to a complete catastrophe. but we've never seen before in history. >> hi story. >> wow. history. >> wow. all right. well, andrew eborn, is it time then yes or no to call for a general election? yes or no? >> think the answer is >> well, i think the answer is no. enough. being no. enough is enough. being easter nigel it time easter, nigel nelson, is it time to call? claire pearsall. to call? yes. claire pearsall. no. david maddox . yes. right. no. david maddox. yes. right. well, there you go. mixed views . well, there you go. mixed views. what are your thoughts? thank you so much. the former government adviser, claire pearsall gb news, senior political commentator nigel nelson, broadcaster and lawyer andrew political andrew eborn, and political editor david editor of the express, david maddox. right so maddox. thank you. right so you're with me? i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we are live on tv, and on digital radio. tv, online and on digital radio. coming continue coming up, we'll continue with the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour. is it time hour. and i'm asking, is it time to a general election ? soon to call a general election? soon you'll the thoughts my you'll hear the thoughts of my panel broadcaster panel author and broadcaster christine also christine hamilton, also broadcast danny broadcast from journalist danny kelly, , though, broadcast from journalist danny kelly, , though, this kelly, next up, though, this week's outside, i'm joined by fiona from sex matters. fiona mckenna from sex matters. she'll talk about the closure of the tavistock clinic, first, the tavistock clinic, but first, let's latest let's get your latest news. whether .

whether. >> anna. thank you. the top stories this hour. king charles has made his first significant pubuc has made his first significant public appearance since his cancer diagnosis. joined by the queen, he smiled and waved as he left an easter sunday service at saint george's chapel in windsor and went on to greet crowds shaking people's hands. other members of the royal family were also there, but the prince and princess of wales missed the service. as catherine continues her cancer treatment . tens of her cancer treatment. tens of thousands of people turned out to see pope francis preside over easter mass at the vatican and the delivery of his urbi et orbi blessing from the balcony of saint peter's basilica. the pontiff, who's been dealing with his problems , recently his health problems, recently used his address to renew his call an immediate ceasefire call for an immediate ceasefire in gaza, as well as the release call for an immediate ceasefire in allza, as well as the release call for an immediate ceasefire in all israeli /ell as the release call for an immediate ceasefire in all israeli hostagesz release call for an immediate ceasefire in all israeli hostages .release call for an immediate ceasefire in all israeli hostages . almost of all israeli hostages. almost 600 people have been intercepted

crossing the english channel this weekend despite deteriorating weather conditions. it brings the total number of migrants who've illegally arrived on small boats to more than 5200 this year. that's a third higher than the figure recorded this time last yeah figure recorded this time last year. a new poll suggests the tories are on track for their worst general election result. survation found the party could win fewer than 100 seats, with labour predicted to sweep to power with a landslide victory of 468 seats. the 15,000 person poll indicated the conservatives would be wiped out in scotland and wales, and hold just 98 seats in england . for the latest seats in england. for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts now back to . nana. >> thank you tatiana. it's fast approaching 35 minutes after

4:00. this is gb news coming up. worldview. we'll cross live to los angeles to speak to paul duddndge los angeles to speak to paul duddridge about the latest on donald his election donald trump and his election bid. next, it's time for the bid. but next, it's time for the great british debate this hour. and is it time to and i'm asking, is it time to call given call a general election? given rishi sunaks precarious position in polls ? i've got a poll up in the polls? i've got a poll up right now on x asking

welcome back. if you've just tuned in. welcome on board. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we are britain's election channel. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. now, earlier we were talking about christianity and we're still, coming to our debate. rachel i disagree debate. rachel says, i disagree that people aren't practising christianity. our whole society is based in christianity, for example, democracy, the judicial system, the law is christian, etc. if you're abiding and believe in the fundamental basis of the way we live our lives, then you are practising

christianity every day. thank you for that, stephen says my church easter service this morning was packed. saint george's stockport packed in george's in stockport packed in fact, most times i attend holy communion is pretty full. i think christians are rising up good, margaret says. my family and to roman catholic and i went to a roman catholic church morning. usual. church this morning. as usual. there room only. there was standing room only. even entrance porch was even the entrance porch was packed a church packed and it's a big church with two aisles. it was heartening to see so many young men there helping older people find that's lovely , and find a seat. that's lovely, and hopefully they give up their seat as well, not just help them find you very find it. good. thank you very much margaret. much for that, margaret. right. it's the great it's time now for the great british hour. and british debate. this hour. and i'm time to a i'm asking, is it time to call a general as prime general election as prime minister, sunak minister, rishi sunak stuck a very tone his easter very positive tone in his easter message, paying tribute to christians contribution christians and the contribution they make to society. however, they make to society. however, the suggests that the latest polling suggests that this easter message could just be rishi sunak's last as prime minister. the seat by seat analysis predicts that the conservatives will win just 98 at the next election. and with rishi himself less than 2.5 points ahead of labour in his

own richmond constituency, it doesn't look good. in the meantime, sir keir starmer's easter message was shamelessly political and he's seeking to be prime minister. it did sound like minister in like a prime minister in waiting. the labour leader spoke to of christians about to a group of christians about their faith and the impact that it vision for it had on their vision for britain . so. but the great britain. so. but the great british debate hour, i'm british debate this hour, i'm asking , is it time now to british debate this hour, i'm asking, is it time now to call a general election? well, let's see what the panel make of that. i'm author and i'm joined by author and broadcaster hamilton, broadcaster christine hamilton, also journalist broadcaster christine hamilton, also kelly. journalist broadcaster christine hamilton, also kelly. danny journalist broadcaster christine hamilton, also kelly. danny kelly,|alist broadcaster christine hamilton, also kelly. danny kelly, we'll danny kelly. danny kelly, we'll start with you. >> i is it time to call an election? well, it's just delaying the inevitability of the tories ruination, really, isn't it? i can't see, i can't see sunak pulling any rabbit out of a hat in the next. when's the last deadline? so we. >> a lovely easter metaphor, isn't it? rabbits out of the hat. >> we noticed, i think, that the latest can call it, or the latest he can call it, or the latest he can call it, or the latest we have sorry, latest we can have one. sorry, is next year? i it is january next year? i mean, it is january next year? i mean, it is it's like is just delaying. it's like someone row . it's just, someone on death row. it's just, you trying beg for more

you know, trying to beg for more time. point he's going time. at some point he's going to from the state to get the call from the state governor that of governor to say that all of his appeals have been lost, and he's going to and get fried in a going to go and get fried in a chair. danny, by the way, chair. oh danny, by the way, honestly, literally of honestly, it literally of course, somebody well, you know, horrible. no, but but but you know, okay. it is a horrible image. you're right. >> it is metaphorically though. >> metaphorically >> yes, but metaphorically the tory dying. and i was tory party are dying. and i was driving in listening to your show nana. and it's directly to do with the, the impact that reforms are having do you think. >> no, no, i think it's directly to do with the abysmal job that they've done. true, true. that's why because why reform are there because of the yes. you're the abysmal job. yes. you're right, but there are so many people going to vote people who are going to vote reform voted tory. >> well, that's their own fault. i me thinks, let's i think half of me thinks, let's have and have the election tomorrow and get way, and then get it out of the way, and then we all with rest we can all get on with the rest of lives. other half of our lives. the other half thinks, i can't simply can't thinks, oh, i can't simply can't bear thought of an election. bear the thought of an election. >> off as long as >> let's put it off as long as possible, it possible, and then maybe it won't course it will, no, >> but of course it will, no, you're right. now. no, the tories don't deserve to win.

and, don't think will do and, i don't think they will do as some of the polls as badly as some of the polls are predicting at the moment. i mean, i may be wrong, but i think you'll find that they're at the 11th hour. >> quite of people will >> quite a lot of people will look over the abyss and they'll think, do not think, actually, no, i do not want a labour government, for variety of reasons, each to their own. >> so i don't think it will be quite as bad. >> i think it'll be pretty cataclysmic, but think cataclysmic, but i don't think it's be total it's going to be this total wipe—out. the thought of the tories losing richmond tories losing in richmond is quite extraordinary. but it quite extraordinary. but does it really matter to rishi? i mean, he's sugarloaf anyway , he's going to sugarloaf anyway, that's probably to that's probably unfair to pretend it doesn't really pretend that it doesn't really matter to him. >> because it's >> it does, because it's a massive humiliation . massive humiliation. >> and, know, danny, to use >> and, you know, danny, to use your of somebody your analogy of somebody on death were death death row, if you were on death row, single would be a row, every single day would be a plus you can put off plus every day you can put off the inevitable. you can understand the thinking behind that. yeah, but i don't think he'll autumn. he'll go until the autumn. >> people say , if >> some people would say, if you're on death row, you might as get and as well just get it over and done with living in a cell 24 hours day on death but hours a day on death row. but he's not. >> he's living in downing street. >> having a wonderful

>> he's having a wonderful time. he's in he's a millionaire. he's not in a got nothing. prime >> he's got nothing. prime minister, to minister, money's got nothing to do nothing minister, money's got nothing to do do nothing minister, money's got nothing to do do with nothing minister, money's got nothing to do do with with nothing minister, money's got nothing to do do with with the nothing to do with with the inevitability this national inevitability of this national disgrace. of prime disgrace. the life of the prime minister good. disgrace. the life of the prime miryour good. disgrace. the life of the prime miryou swan good. disgrace. the life of the prime miryou swan around)d. disgrace. the life of the prime miryou swan around with the >> you swan around with the interesting people and you do interesting people and you do intere want to give that up too won't want to give that up too quickly. also, the kudos of being but then being prime minister, but then not good. but all well not so good. but all right, well listen, is nothing listen, this show is nothing without your views. without you and your views. let's our great british let's welcome our great british voices, opportunity let's welcome our great british voithe opportunity let's welcome our great british voithe show opportunity let's welcome our great british voithe show and ortunity let's welcome our great british voithe show and tell1ity let's welcome our great british voithe show and tell us what on the show and tell us what they the topics they think about the topics we're to we're discussing. let's go to kidderminster. let's have a chat with . are john reid, with john reid. are john reid, talk to me. do think? talk to me. what do you think? is time now for this general is it time now for this general election? call it election? do we need to call it if i'm living in hope, i'm with danny 101% on this one. >> nana. if i had my way, we would have the election tomorrow. in fact, we would have started with a new government long, long time ago . he's on long, a long time ago. he's on borrowed time, isn't he? is he getting anything right? not that i can see. not, you know, why should we hang on to this man who's demise of the who's watching the demise of the country? opinion , you talk country? in my opinion, you talk about and all the rest of about kudos and all the rest of it. think comes

it. i don't think that comes into it. i think he's just full of. well, i can't say it on tv, can i? >> but i think we know where you're going with it. >> i would like to see him gone now. no no question about it. >> to in there, keir starmer >> as to in there, keir starmer as well. >> i personally would vote for keir starmer. yes. but i'm not i'm not one who thinks he's the most wonderful thing since sliced got such sliced bread. but he's got such low hasn't he. he's low opposition hasn't he. he's got such poor government to got such a poor government to battle against that. why would he not do a betterjob? i think anybody i could probably do a better job than than rishi. so i'm, i'm just i'm just in favour of change. but the politics are cyclical. and, i think it's time the cycle went round. another another turn the way we go. another turn and the way we go. well you know, i'm not really a labour supporter myself , and i labour supporter myself, and i was before this one, i voted conservative. i think the one before that, i did vote for tony blair. i actually listened to their policies decide on, blair. i actually listened to theion olicies decide on, blair. i actually listened to theion oliciezthey'reacide on, blair. i actually listened to theion oliciezthey're doing, n, blair. i actually listened to theion oliciezthey're doing, but i on, on what they're doing, but i don't i can't vote for either either of them. john, thank you so much. lovely to talk to you.

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good afternoon. welcome. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. it's time now for world view. and we're heading to the united now to speak the united states now to speak to the host of the politics people podcast, paul duddridge, about the latest political news from states . so, from the united states. so, paul from the united states. so, paul, welcome. right now, i want to start with trump . he's richer to start with trump. he's richer than ever. what? i don't get it . than ever. what? i don't get it. >> trump is richer than ever.

>> trump is richer than ever. >> so look, last sunday it was it was very sort of, tense, shall we say . trump it was very sort of, tense, shall we say. trump had to come up with half $1 billion. and where's he going to get that money from? he floated, truth social, which is his kind of, twitter when he was twitter knockoff. when he was banned twitter, he created banned from twitter, he created his platform. it floated his own platform. it floated on the new york stock exchange this week, it's worth something week, and it's worth something like $8 billion, five of which is made like $5 billion. is his. he made like $5 billion. he's now actually genuinely finally acknowledged in the top 500 richest people in the world. so he's gone once again. he's done it. i mean , never, never done it. i mean, never, never bet against trump. he has , now bet against trump. he has, now increased his net worth just this week with, i think, a 56% ownership of truth social, which has been floated . he's got has been floated. he's got another $5 billion to play with. it's hilarious. >> but he doesn't have many followers on there, though. it's not like it's not twitter or anything that . anything like that. >> oh, are there any other internet companies that are valued completely beyond the wealth of croesus that are

actually have no followers? that is part of being in the world of the internet? apparently you can have like two followers and my nan and be worth billions of dollars. should benefit from dollars. he should benefit from it his turn. but it as well. it's his turn. but yeah, not that it's yeah, it's not that it's not that or successful, but you that big or successful, but you know, a lot of people are talking about you talking about it. do you remember that story with gamestop kept buying remember that story with game and kept buying remember that story with game and it kept buying remember that story with game and it went kept buying remember that story with game and it went up kept buying remember that story with game and it went up and ept buying remember that story with game and it went up and up buying remember that story with game and it went up and up anding stock and it went up and up and up and up in a kind of rebellion against, wall street? i don't know if you remember that story . know if you remember that story. it's turned into one of those stocks. buying to stocks. people are buying it to support trump and to slightly, cock a snook at the new york stock exchange. it's hilarious. but yes, he's now he's done it again. he's basically got a website that's worth $8 billion. it cracks me up. >> that's incredible, isn't it? i mean , it goes to the i mean, it goes to show the support that has, but also support that he has, but also the the american the fact that the american pubuc the fact that the american public this, this public are not buying this, this weaponizing the legal system weaponizing of the legal system to try and scupper him and try and stop them from actually electing him as their president, it's really it's amazing to watch from here. what about this

story about the publisher who's pulled out of book about joe pulled out of a book about joe biden ? because apparently books biden? because apparently books about sell ? about him just don't sell? >> what are the guaranteed ways to make money in the united states is to get the rights to do of the president. do the book of the president. you , it's just it's like you know, it's just it's like obama's book, clinton's book, you know, it's just it's like obanhillary's, clinton's book, you know, it's just it's like obanhillary's book,on's book, you know, it's just it's like obanhillary's book, even.ook, even hillary's book, even. anyway. so simon and schuster, i think they did deal in 2021. think they did the deal in 2021. it's like this great. the american president all that kind of they've pulled out. they've pulled out because just pulled out because they just go, biden don't sell. but biden books don't sell. but beanng biden books don't sell. but bearing mind this this bearing in mind this is the this this president is the most popular president in history. he's votes than he's gained more votes than obama. and yet it's just not there on the ground. almost there on the ground. it's almost as if maybe the figures aren't completely as honest as they say . but i cannot even . but who? i cannot even speculate. yeah , a speculate. but yeah, a publisher. this is where the rubber hits the road when people actually have to hand over money because actually because like, they're actually giving and promotions giving advances and promotions and etc. for books. in this case. and they're going like, do you know what? we'll probably leave it now. and they are probably it can probably leaving it now. can i just point the thing you

just point out the thing you just point out the thing you just though american just point out the thing you just aren't ugh american just point out the thing you just aren't buying american just point out the thing you just aren't buying arazrican just point out the thing you just aren't buying ara poll] public aren't buying it, a poll this week showed that 93% of people that will trump will people that will vote trump will vote if he's vote for him, even if he's convicted a criminal offence. convicted of a criminal offence. and they're and that's just what they're prepared to tell pollsters. so that's you're that's where we are. you're absolutely 100% right. but yeah, so and schuster seen so simon and schuster have seen the light and just gone, yeah. we to shift these we ain't going to shift these books. they've we ain't going to shift these boo like they've we ain't going to shift these boo like an they've we ain't going to shift these boo like an order they've we ain't going to shift these boo like an order of they've we ain't going to shift these boo like an order of like ay've got like an order of like a thousand books something in a thousand books or something in a population 330 million. population of 330 million. >> that's pretty bad, >> you know, that's pretty bad, isn't percentage wise, isn't it? percentage wise, that must be 00000 something. oh, yeah. now what about trump? because bond for his new because his bond for his new york civil fraud case was what it was like 500 million or something half billion or something like half a billion or something. apparently something. but apparently it's been yeah been cut to 175 million. yeah >> we got cut off last week. the last day, the last, card he had to play was an appeal, and he went and appealed the amount of the bond that he was expected to put forward. okay. so they wanted and wanted $450 million. and fortunately , one is protected in fortunately, one is protected in america by the constitution. and he was able to, appeal and say that this was an egregious,

fine. this was a punitive , bond fine. this was a punitive, bond when he was trying to actually, just appeal his case. and so it's been cut down to 175 million. so his wealth has not only gone up 5 billion, his, liabilities have gone down another, what, 270 million? it's like this is again, it's trump's week. it's trump's week. so yes , week. it's trump's week. so yes, he now has a smaller bond to pay- he now has a smaller bond to pay. he did a really cool thing. ihave pay. he did a really cool thing. i have to say. you've probably seen it. he's walking away from the they're going the reporters and they're going like you have like what assets will you have to for this, bond, mr to put up for this, bond, mr trump? and he turns around to the camera and just cash. the camera and just goes, cash. so top trump. the camera and just goes, cash. so trumpmp. the camera and just goes, cash. so trump apparently , according >> trump apparently, according to joe biden, it's trans visibility day and it's not easter day. i mean, it is actually trans visibility day to day as well. but it is also easter . easter. >> yeah, please don't call it easter. not around my house. it's trans visibility day, okay. and that's the important thing. but look, this is not just some scurrilous like, scurrilous story that's like, you , orchestrated to be

you know, orchestrated to be controversial. you know, the white house did put out. i went and fact checked this before we started 29th of march. they put out a big, long statement about, the fact it's trans visibility day on this day. they could have just moved it. they could have just moved it. they could have just it after. and i hope just said it after. and i hope you a trans you all had a nice trans visibility day. the thing is, at the they are, there's the same time they are, there's an egg the white an easter egg hunt at the white house every year, and kids come and decorate eggs and roll the easter eggs down the south south lawn , but this year they've been lawn, but this year they've been the kids have been banned from putting religious , symbols or putting religious, symbols or messages on the eggs on the, you know, kids decorated eggs. it's these two things, these two things coinciding is what i think has got a lot of reasonably religious easter people, up in arms. it's an absolute affront. again, it's like we do a big statement about trans visibility, and we actually prevent any religious iconography, religious messaging on easter eggs on easter. and by the way, america , they don't

the way, america, they don't even know about chocolate eggs. it's the weirdest thing. they don't have . all they is don't have. all they have is these painted eggs, i these painted eggs, which i think well, you think they're getting. well, you have, but anyway, they're not even have, but anyway, they're not eveyou have those africa and >> you have those in africa and they're boiled eggs. there's no chocolate going. it's chocolate going. listen, it's always you, paul always good to talk to you, paul duddridge. much. duddridge. thank you so much. that's he's that's paul duddridge, he's the host people host of the politics people podcast. you're i'm podcast. you're with me. i'm nana on nana akua. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. still outside guest , still to come, my outside guest, she's going to talk about trans men women's sports. but men in women's sports. but first, let's update with first, let's get an update with your weather. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello. welcome to your latest gb news weather. it's been fairly sunny across the northern half of the uk. we've seen increasing cloud in the south and we're going to see further rain push in over the next few hours. but looking at the bigger picture, low pressure dominates at and it does mean at the moment and it does mean further and is on

further showers and rain is on the way. and we've got some heavy rain this evening across southern parts of england, and heavy rain this evening across soutpushingts of england, and heavy rain this evening across soutpushing slowlyrgland, and heavy rain this evening across soutpushing slowly northwards this pushing slowly northwards into the midlands and wales as we head into the early hours . we head into the early hours. thicker cloud and rain also pushing in from the north sea to affect northeast england. generally little drier across generally a little drier across scotland, northern ireland here some clear spells and for most temperatures remaining above freezing. so it's a mixed start to monday . we've got cloud and to monday. we've got cloud and outbreaks of rain across this central swathe of the uk, some brighter skies to the north of it south. but to it and to the south. but it's to the we'll see some the south where we'll see some heavy developing as we heavy showers developing as we move through into the afternoon. some hail, some thunder in there. we could see some local disruption, cloud disruption, cold under the cloud and northern and rain, particularly northern england, or and rain, particularly northern en degrees or and rain, particularly northern en degrees best or and rain, particularly northern en degrees best any or 10 degrees in the best of any sunny spells either side of this, 14 or 15 this, up to around 14 or 15 degrees for tuesday . a mixed degrees for tuesday. a mixed picture. we'll have sunny spells and scattered showers across much of the country, however, low and drizzle will low cloud, rain and drizzle will affect parts of scotland. then

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says his appearance will help reassure many people. >> king was very much determined to attend this very important eventin to attend this very important event in the christian calendar. he himself , event in the christian calendar. he himself, of course, is head of the church of england , so he of the church of england, so he would have had a very strong religious feeling, needing to be there. but of course, there's another reason, and that is to provide a message of reassurance to british following to the british public following the princess of wales's separate cancer diagnosis and her treatment . treatment. >> meanwhile, the archbishop of canterbury has wished the king and princess of wales well dunng and princess of wales well during his easter sermon at canterbury cathedral, justin welby encouraged the congregation to pray for charles and catherine and praised their dignity as they both undergo treatment for cancer . pope treatment for cancer. pope francis has presided over easter mass at the vatican. tens of thousands of people turned out to see the pontiff and the delivery of his urbi et orbi blessing from the balcony of saint peter's basilica, pope

francis, who's been dealing with health problems in recent weeks, used his address to renew his call for an immediate ceasefire in gaza , along with the release in gaza, along with the release of all israeli hostages . in his of all israeli hostages. in his easter message, the prime minister paid tribute to the work of churches and christian communities across the country. >> happy easter everyone ! >> happy easter everyone! >> happy easter everyone! >> this weekend, as people come together to celebrate and reflect on the message at the heart of the easter festival, i want to pay tribute to the incredible work of christians in this the churches, this country the churches, charities, volunteers and fundraisers who lived the christian values of compassion, charity and self—sacrifice, supporting those in need and demonstrating what it means to love thy neighbour. >> sir keir starmer also posted on social media saying it's a time for optimism and new beginnings . the easter messages beginnings. the easter messages come as a new poll suggests the tories are on track for their worst general election result since aviation found the party could win fewer than 100 seats,

with labour predicted to sweep to power with a landslide victory of 468 seats. the 15,000 person poll indicated the conservatives would be wiped out in scotland and wales, and hold just 98 seats in england . almost just 98 seats in england. almost 400 migrants crossed the channel today as weather conditions continue to deteriorate over both days. this weekend , border both days. this weekend, border force officials intercepted 16 small boats carrying 735 people. it takes the total number of those who've arrived illegally to more than 5400 this year, a third higher than the figure recorded this time last year. people smugglers are being accused of putting their lives in danger by launching overcrowded dinghies that can't handle the strengthening winds and large swells . the energy and large swells. the energy secretary has warned that labour's dangerous net zero plans would leave britain at the mercy of china. labour has pledged to convert the country to clean power by 2035 years

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lessons and what comes lessons learnt and what comes next outside . now, my next on the outside. now, my guest has been a leading guest today has been a leading voice raising the alarm about voice in raising the alarm about biological males in women's spaces and for five years she's worked with fair play for women, a group that campaigns to protect the rights of women and girls uk . she led their girls in the uk. she led their sports campaign meeting with uk and international sports federations in a bid to ensure that only biological females can compete in women's sport. her work become a even more work has become a even more crucial in the recent years, as the female category in many sports continued to be sports has continued to be opened biological males opened up to biological males who identify as women. she continues to be a fierce advocate for female athletes, highlighting why sex segregation matters in sports. in her current role as director of campaigns at sex matters, i'm delighted to say i'm joined by fiona mckinnon . fiona, welcome. fiona mckinnon. fiona, welcome. well, that was a big old intro . well, that was a big old intro. so talk me through why you got involved in this particular era. why why you ended up being involved in campaigning for women's spaces? >> well, i'm sort of an

accidental campaigner. i think a lot of us are. because when the government was trying to change the gender recognition act in 2018 to be self—id, meaning that anyone could just request that they change birth they change their birth certificate male to female certificate from male to female or female to male. i started to see some problems with that, and then i started. once i was aware, started seeing it aware, i started seeing it everywhere. started hearing everywhere. i started hearing about happening about things that were happening in , in prisons. you might in sport, in prisons. you might remember stories of remember there were stories of women being sexually assaulted and even raped in women's prisons by men who were in there claiming to be women . now, many claiming to be women. now, many people may genuinely feel that , people may genuinely feel that, but if there's one person i wouldn't trust, it's a convicted rapist . you know, when he says rapist. you know, when he says he feels like a woman and he's entitled be in a women's entitled to be in a women's prison. so in 2018, all of that started in the media started to be, in the media a little bit, it's kind of gone off the media after that. the media, i think, got a bit nervous, but by then a number of us had started to realise had us had started to realise we had to i was working to push back. and i was working with play for women, who with fair play for women, who mobilised the response to the

gender recognition act, we got that stopped. >> but, you know, there are so many areas still where people simply seem to feel they have to accept that if a man says he now feels like a woman and wants to be treated as a woman, that he he has the right to have that and sex matters. >> the group i'm with now, we simply say everyone's human rights matter, that person's rights matter, that person's rights matter. but so do mine. so do yours. and there are some times when we can't pretend that a man's a woman. sport is a big one of those. but there are others. >> and so now that's the that's the work that i focus on. >> because of course, today is trans visibility day. and we were talking about lia thomas. now this is it's obviously something that's happening in america where this is clearly a man. he's in women's sports. but as you rightly pointed out earlier , that it's not just the earlier, that it's not just the sport itself where it's unfair for women, it's actually all the things around it as well. >> yeah. >> yeah.

>> so lia was very high >> so lia thomas was very high profile he was a very profile because he was a very average suddenly average swimmer, and suddenly he was a national in was a national champion in america competing in america because of competing in a women's event. we had our own sort lia thomas moment here sort of lia thomas moment here with a cyclist called emily bridges , who'd been a male bridges, who'd been a male champion in in britain and then wanted to be in the women's team. the area that that i team. but the area that that i really focus on now is, is that at all levels of sport here in the uk, we are hearing from women and girls who are being forced because they can no forced out because they can no longer be confident of fair or safe sport. and, you know, it's not just on the playing field, it's if you if you're going to go into the changing room and you can't be sure there isn't going to be a male in there for some women, that's enough to drive them away. you that. drive them away. you know that. no explain no one should have to explain why privacy from the why she wants privacy from the other sex. but but we do hear from women. it can be their religion. it can be trauma religion. it can be some trauma in childhood . it can be in their childhood. it can be teenage girls can be very self conscious. so many

conscious. there are so many reasons, so a measure that reasons, and so a measure that sports call inclusive, which is letting males who identify as women into women's categories. we're finding, is actually excluding women and girls because they're driven out of sport. they lose their place, they're afraid of being injured on a football field, and they just don't want the discomfort of having to share changing rooms with with men. >> well, i don't understand why this has become a thing, because to me, it's quite clear that if a man is a man , to me, it's quite clear that if amanisaman,a to me, it's quite clear that if a man is a man , a woman is a a man is a man, a woman is a woman. if a man wants to identify as a woman, first identify as a woman, the first thing i would ask is what is a woman? because feel woman? because it doesn't feel to never answer to me that they can never answer that. a woman is that. what is a woman then? is it? it's it? some people say it's a feeling. it's this is that. no feeling. it's a this is that. no it's it's biological it's not. it's a biological reality. what is woman? >> yeah, well, that is a big question. also question. and i'd also say, what's a man? and the fundamental reason fundamental truth is the reason we have a separate category in sport and in many other places like prisons, is because male and female bodies are so different. you know, female bodies things. bodies can do amazing things. you we can gestate and

you know, we can gestate and give to a but give birth to a baby. but because we're geared up for that, we never do it, that, even if we never do it, our are different from our bodies are different from male bodies we cannot male bodies and we just cannot produce power , the same produce the same power, the same speed, you know, as if you put a man and a woman of similar size and age together. he can punch more than hard as she more than twice as hard as she can. so that's why we separate male and female in in so many walks of life. >> well, why do you think so many? >> eg- eg— >> because this isn't just men who enabling this . this is who are enabling this. this is there are many women who enable this well. and don't this as well. and i don't understand see understand why they can't see why the separation there. why the separation is there. >> . i think that you're >> yeah. i think that you're right. when people oh, men right. when people say, oh, men made decisions about made these decisions about sport, it's women too. i've seen that. think there are a couple that. i think there are a couple of reasons. one is that there's huge women to be huge pressure on women to be kind and to be accommodating. you know, people will say, well, there aren't that many trans women, as they'll call them, meaning males identify as meaning males who identify as women. that many. women. there aren't that many. why just them? why can't you just include them? and really saying is , and what they really saying is, those people matter more than you feelings matter

you do. their feelings matter more than fairness for you. so i think there's huge pressure on women and we're socialised to be accommodating, also hear women accommodating, i also hear women saying, well, you know, we're just good as men. we can just as good as men. we can cope. and of course, we may be just as good, but we're different. so we still need separate categories, so it's been quite a battle to try and re—establish the right of women to have what men have, which is fairness. >> are we making headway with this? because it feels like we move forward then there's move forward and then there's some other ridiculous case a move forward and then there's somewho er ridiculous case a move forward and then there's somewho theniculous case a move forward and then there's somewho then sasts case a move forward and then there's somewho then says he'sse a move forward and then there's somewho then says he's a a move forward and then there's somewho then says he's a woman, man who then says he's a woman, and then everyone's going along with you're it's with it and you're like, it's just man . it's not just not the man. it's not a woman. he can you can woman. except he can be. you can be i mean, some people be a trans. i mean, some people actually object woman actually object to a trans woman being called a trans woman, and actually it should be trans actually it should be a trans man they're man identifying man if they're a man identifying as woman a trans person. as woman or a trans person. >> are as woman or a trans person. >> are very >> well, people are very confused. quite right. confused. you're quite right. people are very confused by the language. is another language. and this is another battle front. why battle on this front. it's why language because if language matters. because if i can't sit here and say that person male, he has a male person is male, he has a male body and that's why he doesn't

belong women's or belong in women's sport or a women's swimming session or women's swimming session or women's if women's changing room. if i can't use those words man and male, we can't have the conversation . and that's one of conversation. and that's one of the pressures, of course, that we're under, not say those we're under, is not to say those things people say that's really unkind. you have be so unkind. why do you have to be so mean? i don't to be mean, mean? i don't want to be mean, but entitled express that but i'm entitled to express that view, and i need to be able to say it to protect women and girls. say to those girls. and i say to those people, are you unkind to people, why are you unkind to women and girls? why don't you care about them ? you know, this care about them? you know, this isn't just competitive sport. it's also , women and girls it's also, women and girls wanting to swimming or go to wanting to go swimming or go to female only gym sessions. and if they can't be sure that that's what they're going to find, some of them are just dropping out and that is unkind. that's not inclusive. and that is unkind. that's not incishould women decide then? so >> should women decide then? so i think it was i think it might have been a swimming event or it was at darts. it was darts actually, where women actually, where the women refused you think refused to compete. do you think thatis refused to compete. do you think that is the way forward? will women say, well, we're not going to yeah, that's happening

>> yeah, that's been happening a bit. it's been happening in pool as where there's as well where there's a legal case on, i think it's case going on, i think it's really asking women to really asking a lot of women to give up their own opportunities just a they just to make a point. they shouldn't have to. it shouldn't come think any woman come to that. i think any woman or should be free. to say, or girl should be free. to say, i'm going do that takes i'm not going to do that takes courage . they risk really some courage. they risk really some quite nasty criticism , but often quite nasty criticism, but often they find that they also also get a lot of support . they find that they also also get a lot of support. but i don't think we should be expecting to boycott their expecting women to boycott their own category in order to restore fair rules. it's really up to policy makers and decision makers, and i'd like to see the government up say, come government step up and say, come on, reason we have on, you know the reason we have a female category is for the people otherwise would have people who otherwise would have no chance of winning things, because female bodies because male and female bodies are so different. so men in are so different. so no men in that it doesn't matter that category. it doesn't matter how they identify. let's accommodate them open accommodate them in an open category . there are solutions. category. there are solutions. the big sports, you ask where we are with this now, the big sports in the world, the biggest olympic , which are olympic sports, which are athletics, cycling and swimming, olympic sports, which are athletic allycling and swimming, olympic sports, which are athletic all recognisedswimming, olympic sports, which are athletic all recognised this|ming, olympic sports, which are athletic all recognised this and g, they've all recognised this and they've all recognised this and they've restored fairness. and

because that at because they've done that at world level, the uk federations have but we're have done that too. but we're still waiting on an awful lot of other sports. >> is this absurd really? to me it's so it's so straightforward. i'm confused as to why it's become an issue and a confusion , become an issue and a confusion, and why it's become some sort of inqu and why it's become some sort of insult that when you call a man a man, i mean, of course we had india willoughby being upset when man india willoughby being upset when she man india willoughby being upset when she is man india willoughby being upset when she is a man india willoughby being upset when she is a not, not because she is a man. not, not not horrible to her, but not to be horrible to her, but biologically a man. so not to be horrible to her, but biolo though a man. so not to be horrible to her, but biolo though i, a man. so not to be horrible to her, but biolo though i, youa man. so not to be horrible to her, but biolo though i, you know, so not to be horrible to her, but biolo though i, you know, i'm even though i, you know, i'm honounng even though i, you know, i'm honouring the fact that i'm calling her a she. but ultimately i'm being forced to go along with something that i don't necessarily agree with. not that she's trans , not i not that she's trans, not i disagree with that, but i disagree with that, but i disagree with that, but i disagree with having to lie to my own eyes about what? somebody. yes. >> we talk about sports >> and when we talk about sports or or refuges, we say or prisons or refuges, we say it's not because you're trans, it's not because you're trans, it's because you're male that you do not belong in the category or the place that was designated for females. and it's not an insult to be male, it's

just a fact. but but i think that when there is a high profile case, like, you know, the leah thomas or the emily bridges, those sports tend to realise that they can't get away with it because it's making them look and i rather fear that look bad. and i rather fear that we're have to see that look bad. and i rather fear that weaa have to see that look bad. and i rather fear that wea few have to see that look bad. and i rather fear that wea few other have to see that look bad. and i rather fear that wea few other sports 0 see that look bad. and i rather fear that wea few other sports before hat look bad. and i rather fear that wea few other sports before we in a few other sports before we get sense. i to get some sense. i want to mention the boat to you, mention the boat race to you, because you've featured because i know you've featured it yesterday. british rowing it yesterday. so british rowing here has here in the uk has re—established female re—established that the female category for only women and category is for only women and girls, and there's an open category for everyone else . category for everyone else. great for everyone. in fact, that case at world that is not the case at world level . so those women we saw level. so those women we saw racing yesterday on, on the, on the thames, some of whom will represent great britain and one of whom has represented the us , of whom has represented the us, they could when they go and compete internationally , they compete internationally, they could end up facing crews from other countries that have a male rower in there. and you know that means they're going that male is 10% stronger on average than an equally competent, equally fit, equally skilled

woman. and in fact, in america, the us rowing team accepts men who say they're women in its women's team . women's team. >> it's just ridiculous, isn't it? i'm sorry. i know you know. look, i respect whatever you choose to identify as , but i choose to identify as, but i don't think people should be forced to agree that that is what you are. when the biological reality says something different. is. something different. it is. it is i don't understand is very odd. i don't understand why going in why we're going in this direction. briefly. what why we're going in this direyour. briefly. what why we're going in this direyour thoughtsefly. what why we're going in this direyour thoughts on'. what why we're going in this direyour thoughts on'. wiyou are your thoughts on are you concerned about labour concerned about a labour government coming in because they more giving they seem a lot more giving to this whole of self id ? this whole debate of self id? >> well, they say the self id thing has gone away, so let's wait and see. but what i'm describing in sport is, is another form of self id. these people don't have a birth certificate they're certificate saying they're female they have female, but they still have rules they're allowed rules that say they're allowed in. so i'm very we want to see the labour government follow the guidance that the sports councils in the uk have given, which is say it isn't fair which is to say it isn't fair and you really should be thinking about fair rules thinking about what fair rules are, and they need to find a bit of courage, these governing bodies. want bodies. so if people want to find sex matters,

find out about sex matters, is there can? find out about sex matters, is the yeah can? find out about sex matters, is the yeah they can? find out about sex matters, is the yeah they can. can? >> yeah they can. >> yeah they can. >> they can follow us on x at at sex matters. org or they can go to sex hyphen matters. org. our website . website. >> thank you so much p&o. really good to talk to you. thanks. that fiona mckenna. the that is fiona mckenna. she's the director sex director of campaigns at sex matters. well coming up, supplements sunday where my panel i dissect of the panel and i dissect some of the stories the week . next stories from the week. but next it's for great british it's time for the great british debate this hour. i'm debate this hour. and i'm asking, time scrap net asking, is it time to scrap net zero?

good afternoon. it's just gone 22 minutes after 5:00. this is gp news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. don't forget as well. you can download the gb news app for free. it's now time though, for our great british debate this out and i'm asking is it time to scrap net zero? the energy secretary, clare coutinho, claims that labour's net zero plan could leave the uk in a very

vulnerable position, with china. in an interview, the cabinet minister said that labour's plan to move towards clean energy five years before tories five years before the tories could mean the country would be reliant on metals, cables and batteries from china. that says the shadow net zero secretary, ed miliband, said that the tories have failed on their green agenda over the last 14 years. he said that many people have now moved abroad for work as the country has become reliant on imported energy infrastructures. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking is it time to scrap net zero? well, to discuss this, i'm joined by deputy director of net zero watch, andrew montford, journalist author of not journalist and author of not zero. ross clark, director of climate media coalition . donald climate media coalition. donald mccarthy, also the senior meteorologist at the british weather services jim dale. all right, so i'm going to start with you, andrew montford. what are your thoughts ? are your thoughts? >> yes, it's definitely time to scrap net zero. net zero is doing enormous damage to the

economy . i doing enormous damage to the economy. i mean, doing enormous damage to the economy . i mean, we doing enormous damage to the economy. i mean, we can doing enormous damage to the economy . i mean, we can see doing enormous damage to the economy. i mean, we can see this in the wholesale industrial de industrialisation of the country, over the last decade or two, we're down to our our last, blast furnace . we're down to our blast furnace. we're down to our last aluminium smelter, which is being kept alive by by subsidies and so on. and so on, claire coutinho is really talking nonsense. i mean, the five year difference between the conservatives policies and labour's policies is really is nothing at all, they're both wedded to this religious dogma that we have to decarbonise the economy and, and yet they are going to they are going to run the country into the ground. and unless they are forced to turn back , well, they don't seem to back, well, they don't seem to want to. >> let's go to donna mccarty. mccarthy, what do you think , mccarthy, what do you think, happy easter, and i could see you , this is, net zero is our you, this is, net zero is our economic and patriotic duty to carry out, the idea that we

wouldn't act to protect britain's, food security and literally our borders from rising sea levels is nonsense. and as regards montford, his global warming policy foundation have waged war on britain , have waged war on britain, weaning ourselves off the international global oil market for decades. and that has caused real problems. for example , they real problems. for example, they opposed the insulation program real problems. for example, they oprpeople's insulation program real problems. for example, they oprpeople's homes,ion program real problems. for example, they oprpeople's homes, which�*gram real problems. for example, they oprpeople's homes, which hasn for people's homes, which has left millions of people of britain's poorer and ross clark's attack on on the cheapest form of energy , which cheapest form of energy, which is when wind energy meant we could cost brilliant britain billions of pounds extra last yeah billions of pounds extra last year. so acting on net zero reduces has reduced bills for people in the uk. our lighting is cheaper, our heating is even if are driving, even if you end up being reliant on china for the minerals that we need and the minerals that we need and the resources, because that's where we're heading. >> i mean, that's let's put it down. you know, you can talk about ross and everybody else,

but even if it means that we have to rely on china to all have to rely on china to get all that thing the >> well, the thing about the rare quite hilarious, rare metals is quite hilarious, why? because actually, sheep has presided. the tory government has presided over a system that dumps 99% of the use of the rare earth metals in britain's electronics. we dump 99% of it. if it's a national security measure, she should be putting in place a recycling system that captures that 99% and stop us being dependent on china. the reason why china is ahead on rare metals because they rare metals is because they invested in rare earth metals and in renewables development, production. do you mean the northeast? do you mean they went into africa and bought all the mines and bought a load of land there and started exploiting the earth earlier? >> i want to go to ross clark. >> i want to go to ross clark. >> no, what i meant is they >> no, what i meant is that they invested in the production capacity to capacity that we failed to invest we are 20 invest in, and so we are 20 years because global years behind because of global warming . warming policy. >> that may be that may be true, but the outcome is the same. we

rely on china. ross clark yeah, well, i think you've got to ask yourself, why is china ahead in manufacturing all this stuff? >> and, of course, one very important reasons they are ahead is have much cheaper energy. >> why do they have cheaper energy? >> because as well as investing in renewable energy and i've got nothing against renewable energy, by the way, they continue to in new coal continue to invest in new coal plants and they have made an absolute, you know, priority of energy security and a cheap energy security and a cheap energy policy . energy policy. >> the us as well, you know, they they've got net zero. >> you know, they have an ambition to get to zero carbon emissions. but look, what have they done. they the us has unashamedly pursued a policy of energy security and cheap energy. and, you know, the result of that is that the us industries are paying one quarter as much for their gas and electricity as british and european industries are doing .

european industries are doing. and surprise, surprise, what's happening to british industries, european industries, they're going offshore , taking their going offshore, taking their carbon emissions with them because they simply cannot afford to operate in europe. and just look at it, basf, you know, german industrials giant, just look at it, basf, you know, german industrials giant , two german industrials giant, two years ago said we're not going to invest any more in europe because the energy is too expensive. the net zero policies are pushing up the price of energy. too much . they're energy. too much. they're investing 10 billion plant in china instead. and, you know, the gym, gym ratcliffe from the other week. you know the ineos in you know owns britain's largest oil refinery and chemicals industry throughout europe. he said that britain and europe. he said that britain and europe will have no chemicals industry in 20 years time because of the cost of energy, because of the cost of energy, because of the cost of energy, because of net zero policies are pushing up the cost of energy and pushing up the cost of regulatory compliance . we're

regulatory compliance. we're going to lose our, chemicals industry . going to lose our, chemicals industry. it's not going to do that. >> let me let me bring in jim dale . let me bring in jim dale. dale. let me bring in jim dale. he says we're going to lose our our industries , chemical our industries, chemical industries and things like that. jim. >> yeah, we won't. that's just why won't we, because we won't. look the we haven't mentioned what the elephant in the room is so far, and that is climate change itself and why we're actually doing this. and i think sometimes gets lost. so sometimes that gets lost. so as i here and you sit there i stand here and you sit there today, we've got eastern europe, we've got , southeast and we've got, southeast and eastern, eastern asia, of eastern, eastern asia, all of those , plus others in the, those areas, plus others in the, in the in the very recent past at record temperatures blazing away. and i don't just mean missing it by a little bit actually. actually two, three, 4 or 5 degrees past the. and we haven't even hit the summer yet. so let's make this absolutely straight. these things are there for . this is there for this. this movement is there for this. this movement is there for there's only for a reason. and there's only going two parties that going to be two parties that have the potential have got the potential of forming government, and forming the next government, and thatis forming the next government, and that is the present tory party. very and the labour

very unlikely. and the labour party. so it doesn't matter what what and what james say, what ross and what james say, it's going to happen. and that's a prediction. >> you're okay. so you're okay with the that we will be with the notion that we will be reliant on china because, i mean, this is not even you know, this isn't to do with parties or anything like that. the fact is that they're further ahead. they've invested in all the minerals need. will minerals that we need. we will need rely on them. you're need to rely on them. you're happy with that? >> if we have to >> well, if we have to be reliant and not just reliant on china, probably china, but probably other countries hopefully china, but probably other countriesthose hopefully china, but probably other countriesthose countriesopefully china, but probably other countriesthose countries willjlly some of those countries will be reliant we our act reliant on us if we get our act together , then so be because together, then so be it, because there's more thing there's a more important thing that that if that i've just mentioned that if we we're going to be we don't act, we're going to be in serious, serious trouble. and that the reason for net zero. that is the reason for net zero. or you might call climate mitigation. is anybody against climate mitigation? >> andrew andrew, i want to >> is andrew andrew, i want to change. come to change. let's come back to andrew because andrew and ask him because andrew, he's saying that literally at all cost. it doesn't really matter. we've got to do this because of climate change, we are reliant change, even if we are reliant on in summary, change, even if we are reliant on you're in summary, change, even if we are reliant on you're saying,summary, change, even if we are reliant on you're saying, jim.nary, change, even if we are reliant on you're saying, jim. yeah, yeah. >> i mean costs kind of

>> i mean at all costs kind of it's proof that it's a religious belief rather than a rational belief rather than a rational belief in a rational world. you do a cost benefit analysis and the costs of, global warming mitigation outweigh the benefits . i mean, we get this constant myth, this constant myth put forward that renewables are cheaper. but, you forward that renewables are cheaper . but, you know, if these cheaper. but, you know, if these people actually believe, if donica believes that wind is cheapen donica believes that wind is cheaper, then he will put his handin cheaper, then he will put his hand in the air now and say that we can get of the of the we can get rid of the of the renewables subsidy schemes, because if they're cheaper, you don't need the subsidies. so let's put that one over to donna don't need the subsidies. so let'ssay, that one over to donna don't need the subsidies. so let'ssay, tha'youe over to donna don't need the subsidies. so let'ssay, tha'you willing) donna don't need the subsidies. so let'ssay, tha'you willing to onna don't need the subsidies. so let'ssay, tha'you willing to geta and say, are you willing to get rid of subsidies? you rid of the subsidies? are you going subsidy schemes? >> absolutely. happy to accept that mean, that for the last. i mean, andrew's ten years andrew's talking about ten years ago answer that ago when you answer that question ten years ago, renewables require subsidies renewables did require subsidies to get them off the ground. in the last five years of contracts for difference, renewables have come cheapest form of come in at the cheapest form of energy under the british system of you answer the question >> can you answer the question without subsidies? >> without subsidies, they are

subsidies for a new solar and new wind. is subsidy free, and the international international monetary fund said we don't need the schemes anymore. i didn't talk over you. the international talks . talks. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> the international monetary fund said very clearly that solar and wind are the cheapest form of energy on the global market. okay. >> both in and i'll come back briefly to andrew. he said that solar and wind are the cheapest. he said there's no subsidies. is that or false. is it. that true or false. is it. no. >> we're out >> i mean we're paying out something. paying something. we're paying out millions month millions of pounds every month in .uk. no, this month at in .uk. no, no. this month at the moment. yeah. at the moment we are still paying contracts . we are still paying contracts. >> let's close. >> well, listen, i'll tell you why you both to new entrants. i'm pretty sure. yes, i'm pretty sure that are paying sure that we are still paying subsidies, but okay, finally, let's go over to you, andrew montford. is time scrap montford. is it time to scrap net yes no? net zero? yes or no? >> yeah, absolutely. get rid of it. to go. it. it's got to go. >> or no? >> yes or no? >> it's to get rid of it as >> it's time to get rid of it as

a legal obligation. i'm not i'm not against having a target to reduce . reduce. >> no, we need a yes or no yes or no yeah donna mccarthy, or no time. yeah donna mccarthy, yes no? yes or no? >> it's patriotic duty to act. >> yes or no? >> it's a total yes . >> it's a total yes. >> it's a total yes. >> it's time to scrap net zero. yes. and also, you . it's a no, yes. and also, you. it's a no, isn't it? it's easter. yes or no? >> yeah. it's a big no. and james and ross. are you going to hang your heads in shame? thank you. yes or no? >> that's enough. thank you jim. thank you of you. thank thank you to all of you. thank you thoughts. lovely you for your thoughts. lovely all do you think? all right, so what do you think? at is news on at home? this is gb news on tv, onune at home? this is gb news on tv, online digital radio. i'm at home? this is gb news on tv, onlintakua, digital radio. i'm at home? this is gb news on tv, onlintakua, comingil radio. i'm at home? this is gb news on tv, onlintakua, coming up, dio. i'm at home? this is gb news on tv, onlintakua, coming up, the i'm at home? this is gb news on tv, onlintakua, coming up, the great nana akua, coming up, the great british debate. i'm asking, is it time to scrap net zero? you'll hear thoughts of my you'll hear the thoughts of my panel panel, danny and christine. but first, let's get your latest news with tatiana . news with tatiana. >> anna, thank you and good afternoon . it's 533. these are afternoon. it's 533. these are the top stories from the gb newsroom. king charles has made his first significant public appearance since his cancer diagnosis. joined by the queen,

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to more than 5400 this year, a third higher than the figure recorded this time last year. people smugglers are being accused of putting their lives in danger by launching overcrowded dinghies that cannot handle strengthening winds handle the strengthening winds and swells , a new poll and large swells, a new poll suggests. the tories are on track for their worst general election result. survation found the party could win fewer than 100 seats, with labour predicted to sweep to power with a landslide victory of 468 seats. the 15,000 person poll indicated the conservatives would be wiped out in scotland and wales, and hold just 98 seats in england . hold just 98 seats in england. for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. common alerts now back to . nana. alerts now back to. nana. >> thank you tatiana. coming up, supplements sunday, where my panel and i dissect the stories

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good afternoon. if you just tuned in. welcome. this is gp news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akuais and on digital radio. i'm nana akua is fast approaching 39 minutes after 5:00. don't forget as well. download the gb news app. you can pick up all the shows and check out any of the things on the channel. but right now for the great now it's time for the great british debate this hour and i'm asking, scrap asking, is it time to scrap net zero? the energy secretary, claire coutinho , claims that claire coutinho, claims that labour's net zero plans could leave uk in a very leave the uk in a very vulnerable china. vulnerable position with china. and the cabinet and in an interview, the cabinet minister said that labour's plan to move towards energy to move towards clean energy five years before the tories would country would be would mean the country would be reliant on metals, cables and batteries all made in china. and

that is, as ed miliband, the tories, said, that the tories had failed on their green agenda over the last 14 years, and he said that many people have now moved abroad for work as the country has become reliant on important imported energy structures. so the great structures. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking is it time to scrap net zero? well, let's see what my panel make of that. joined panel make of that. i'm joined by and broadcaster by author and broadcaster christine hamilton, also broadcaster journalist danny broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. start with broadcaster and journalist danny kellydanny start with broadcaster and journalist danny kellydanny kelly, start with broadcaster and journalist danny kellydanny kelly, simply with broadcaster and journalist danny kellydanny kelly, simply for! broadcaster and journalist danny kellydanny kelly, simply for the you, danny kelly, simply for the fact are a car person, fact that you are a car person, a dealer, a car dealer, or a car dealer, a car dealer, or responsible for all those awful emissions. >> yeah . i mean, this ulez emissions. >> yeah. i mean, this ulez thing has got nothing to do with climate change. that's to do with the air that we breathe. well, that will all part. >> that's part of emissions, though. >> well the emissions well, okay. predominantly do okay. it's predominantly to do with air. with the, with the air. >> it's about the >> but the but it's about the emissions as well from the exhausts obviously exhausts which obviously the nitrogen exhausts which obviously the nitrogerokay i'm a reluctant >> but okay i'm a reluctant and this may shock you i'm a reluctant advocate now for net zero. but not pushing it forward not bringing it forward five years. it's the futility of it

all. and i listen to the impassioned debate with your four contributors. i don't think it's do with it's got anything to do with patriotism, bringing patriotism, this, this bringing forward and the push for net zero. it hurts a lot of people in their pockets. it's not popular amongst a lot of people. great swathes of the of the country. and but i do defer to the scientists, you know, if a scientist is telling me the majority of scientists, not every scientist, remember what they said over covid the majority scientists majority of scientists are telling telling telling telling me or telling telling the united kingdom that it's good. this net zero ambition that i'm going to go with the majority of scientists. but it's the futility. what i find so frustrating the futility of frustrating is the futility of it all, the fact that we are doing all and i think it is punitive. >> but if you think of the reality of what they're suggesting, and then you end up reliant this the reliant on china, this is the futility, is point here futility, this is the point here that i yes, okay. if you that i see. yes, okay. if you really but then really believe this, but then why in such a why would you put us in such a vulnerable with china? vulnerable position with china? christine hamilton well, i'm absolutely of this net absolutely of course, this net zero should stop zero madness should, should stop . theresa started all,

. theresa may started it all, and party have and then the labour party have doubled on it by bringing doubled down on it by bringing it forward. doubled down on it by bringing it is ward. doubled down on it by bringing it is crazy. >> it is crazy. >> it is crazy. >> country has done its >> this country has done its bit. we have reduced our emissions i think emissions by more than i think anybody else in the world, virtually anybody else. >> done bit. >> we have done our bit. >> we have done our bit. >> are minute, are less >> we are minute, we are less than whatever than nought point whatever percent of the world emissions we have our share . we have done our share. >> we do not need to bankrupt ourselves and bankrupt individual consumers because without the subsidies from everybody's bills, everybody's electricity bills, etc. and taxpayer subsidies, none of these huge great wind farms and solar panels and goodness knows what would happen . so they're not economic. >> china, meantime, churning >> china, meantime, is churning out coal fired stations. >> they increase their emissions by 5% last year, whereas we are constantly reducing us. >> well, we are to sell us mad to do it, and we are bankrupting people. >> we are destroying vast swathes of the countryside. what's wrong with fracking? what's wrong with fracking? what's wrong with using the gas that we've got instead of which this mad dash for net zero so people can say, oh, holier than thou, you know, i'm saving the

planet. >> it's rubbish, but it's not true, is it? they're not true. they're not saving the planet. and also monica said something about there no about that there are no more subsidies, think are subsidies, and i think there are . and he right with . and also, is he right with saying don't think he's saying that? i don't think he's right i've right saying that i've personally he's not right personally said he's not right saying other thing saying that. but the other thing is that, for example, take all these they 98% of these solar panels, they 98% of them are manufactured in china . them are manufactured in china. >> and there was a very good article in one of the papers today saying that is done today saying that it is done with ouija slave labour. >> so are we happy to have. >> so are we happy to have. >> it's again my reluctance, but i am going to defer to the scientists. you know, it's important, i suppose the scientists that scientists would argue that it's important pressure important that we put pressure on china and other highly polluting. >> do you think they give damn? >> finish the sentence. sorry. we put if. no. but allow me to. if we put pressure on china collectively with predominantly other western countries there, maybe leverage maybe we will gain some leverage on them to reduce their co2. you are all i'm. you are all i'm

doing. >> well, you could try and see if you can get them to apologise for covid first, and then the idea china will not give a damn. >> but collectively >> yeah, but collectively you can countries. can put pressure on countries. >> they care. >> they don't care. >> they don't care. >> they're they're >> they're, they're they're isolationist sense . isolationist in that sense. >> if we accept >> they've simply if we accept that, point of us that, what is the point of us trying to do anything about net zero? there is no point. and that's the futility we're going. it's a bit circular. this the futility, futility of futility, the futility of it all. i going defer. i all. but i am going to defer. i am to defer to the am going to defer to the scientists. are bankrupting ourselves. >> we have done our bit, we >> we have done our bit, and we are bankrupting. >> we have done our bit, and we are we bankrupting. >> we have done our bit, and we are we agree.rupting. >> we have done our bit, and we are we agree.rup1futile. >> we have done our bit, and we are while ree.rup1futile. >> we have done our bit, and we are while china)1futile. >> we have done our bit, and we are while china justile. >> we have done our bit, and we are while china just frankly, >> while china just frankly, they are laughing. >> we agree at us. we agree about the futility or our perception of the futility. but if collectively millions of scientists or that's an exaggeration, thousands of scientists around the world are saying, the only saying, look, this is the only thing well, no, thing we can do. well, no, that's true. that's not true. >> i mean, a majority of >> i mean, take a majority of global warming policy foundation, have a look at some of on their website. foundation, have a look at some of they on their website. foundation, have a look at some of they always heir website. foundation, have a look at some of they always say website. foundation, have a look at some of they always say allbsite. foundation, have a look at some of they always say all thee. >> they always say all the scientists agree. no they don't. >> they all scientists >> they say all the scientists agree. are agree. there are no. >> listen, let's let's >> but listen, let's let's remember let's remember that a

lot of people talked about the science and called it settled science. were not science. and people were not allowed and that science. and people were not allofori and that science. and people were not allofori some and that science. and people were not allofori some a|and|at was for quite some time. and it's that. it's embedded now exactly that. this actual this is the actual actual narrative and bottom line narrative. and the bottom line is like to see more is i would like to see more research sides. and i research on both sides. and i want someone prove that want someone to prove to me that carbon really is the problem, and i want to see and understand it. and i also want that evidence is out there. no, but but they restricted the but they have restricted the evidence of the other side of the argument. >> haven't . >> no, they haven't. >> no, they haven't. >> i think you've not even you worked the bbc. you weren't worked for the bbc. you weren't even say question it. even allowed to say question it. so and we've only just now been able to do it because don't able to do it because i don't think is suppressing think anyone is suppressing an alternative . alternative view. >> they are. >> oh yes they are. >> oh yes they are. >> they are. because >> oh yes they are. because they, people have been they, they people have been absolutely into absolutely brainwashed into thinking is thinking that the planet is about to explode, utterly, utterly brainwashed. so people cannot think that there is an alternative. >> anyway, darling, we have done our bit, have done our bit. our bit, we have done our bit. >> and it is ludicrous to bankrupt the country and pile people's bills will be so much lower. >> oh, i agree, it's punitive, but well, listen, i mean, it would be interesting to see what

our viewers think because the show and show is nothing without them and their welcome great >> so let's welcome our great british is there british voices on this. is there opportunity on the show british voices on this. is there opp> i mean, when you talk about fossil fuels in the car, a car is more ecologically green . is more ecologically green. >> being a petrol driven motor, as danny, i'm sure will tell you than an ev, which can never be recycled. >> if we want stuff from overseas, it has to be brought into the uk and that's creating carbon emissions. >> i wish people would get off the hobby horse and realise the logic and the cost of doing the same. >> scientists who told us covid could be wiped out by everyone staying indoors are the same scientists, by and large, who are saying, oh no, no, we know

what we're doing here. >> you know, we're clever. you're not. you're thick. we're not. >> stop gm- >> stop being stupid. >> stop being stupid. >> down to the arms >> stop laying down to the arms of the green lobby and actually start facing reality. >> well, they're probably different scientists, though . different scientists, though. probably not the same ones, because obviously those scientists focused on scientists were focused on viruses. and anyway, look, there's of different views there's lots of different views of say, lots of of scientists say, lots of different things. i've got to go to you, lee harris . to you, lee. lee harris. >> hi, nana. >> hi, nana. >> i've got probably most >> i've got probably like most people, no problem in principle with net zero. >> know, i believe, you >> but, you know, i believe, you know renewables part know, renewables should be part of energy mix. of a healthy energy mix. >> is definitely yes. >> we need to scrap these blatant signalling, blatant virtue signalling, arbitrary time frames. >> it's self—indulgent, political one upmanship by the two main parties. >> these idiotic politicians seem to have absolutely no idea of implications of what of the implications of what they're suggesting. they are completely out of touch. >> know, the ridiculous >> you know, the ridiculous drive to net zero will hit people hard in the pocket. >> and as you said earlier, we will have to rely on countries that don't best that don't have our best interests heart. interests at heart. >> i just want to make

>> and i was i just want to make one point. >> really laughing >> i was really laughing earlier, listening your earlier, listening to your previous the previous guests not the wonderful you in wonderful guests you have in your studio now. >> that's saying was >> nana, that's saying that was wind cheaper. >> nana, that's saying that was wind is cheaper. >> nana, that's saying that was wind is a cheaper. >> nana, that's saying that was wind is a false cheaper. >> nana, that's saying that was wind is a false economy. if you >> it is a false economy. if you listen to the excellent liam halligan. he explained this brilliantly. we have to keep gas power stations permanently running on standby to step in when there's no wind, and this costs a fortune. and has put bills up for everyone. but honestly, i do think the tide is turning. public opinion is changing. look at what happened in uxbridge with sadiq khan's ridiculous policy . he, you ridiculous ulez policy. he, you know, the by—election was was a huge backlash . and we're still huge backlash. and we're still going to need oil and gas for the next two decades. that's true, as we need it to prop up renewables as well, isn't it? >> yeah. no no no, stop, renewables as well, isn't it? >> yeah. no no no, stop , lee >> yeah. no no no, stop, lee brilliantly said. as ever, lee, thank you so much. and also, of course, david barber in watford. those are my great british voices lovely to hear their thoughts. what yours? thoughts. what are yours? stay tuned. supplement

next. good afternoon. welcome this is gb news. i'm nana akua. it's time now for supplement sunday. where my panel and i discuss some of the news stories that caught their eye. danny. kelly, we'll with yours. caught their eye. danny. kelly, we'well, with yours. caught their eye. danny. kelly, we'well, this:h yours. caught their eye. danny. kelly, we'well, this isyours. caught their eye. danny. kelly, we'well, this is just;. caught their eye. danny. kelly, we'well, this is just indicative >> well, this is just indicative of the woke society that we live in. look east television. in. bbc look east television. regional tv programming is slammed for having all white production team despite corporation spending 600 grand last year on diversity and inclusion stuff. i don't know whether we've got a picture of this, but if even if we don't, there you go. look at it. look at all horrible white skin there you go. look at it. look at display. horrible white skin on display. >> 32. >> 32. white >> 32. white people >> 32. white people are >> 32. white people are not >> 32. white people are not a black or an asian person. represented. and of course, it's all kicking off on twitter , all kicking off on twitter, particularly with one journalist or one radio presenter. a fella called edward adu. >> edward adu ? >> edward adu? >> edward adu? >> yes, i know him well. who is worried? he uses the word worried? he uses the word worried that there's not a black or a brown person there in that

32 i suggest edward is 32 line—up. i suggest edward is mentally fragile if that worries him. >> i don't think he is at all. i think he makes a good point. listen, if you're going to spend over £600,000 on diversity, then you fail the first hurdle. you fail at the first hurdle. it's working. it it's not working. is it a meritocracy ? i used to work for meritocracy? i used to work for look east, bbc. look. >> know what? if there >> so do you know what? if there are black are deliberately no black or brown people there , maybe it's brown people there, maybe it's not meritocracy. maybe the not a meritocracy. maybe the best there the best people are there for the job. the point is, if you're going to in diversity, going to invest in diversity, then even do it visually. >> then you've kind got >> then you've kind of got something wrong. and let's just remind who's paid that remind ourselves who's paid that 600. whatever, christine, we have not got long, right? >> no. okay have not got long, right? >> thisokay have not got long, right? >> this is ay have not got long, right? >> this is about, believe it or not, titchmarsh's not, alan titchmarsh's crotch. we why, but we don't quite know why, but nonh we don't quite know why, but north pilot pirate north korea, they pilot pirate stuff. they got hold of a television programme about gardening the gardening secrets and the titchmarsh trousers. >> was kneeling down and >> he was kneeling down and everything was blurred from the waist because apparently he waist down because apparently he was jeans are a symbol of >> and jeans are a symbol of western , so they had western decadence, so they had to blur him out. >> they blurred. titchmarsh. titchmarsh is delighted because he thinks that he's the he now thinks that he's in the league know, rod

league with, you know, rod stewart and all these tom jones because are too because their trousers are too tight . the story about the bbc, tight. the story about the bbc, a spokesperson we are one a spokesperson said we are one of diverse of the most diverse organisations uk and organisations in the uk and judgements shouldn't be made about we know about one picture, but we know we to go, further to we have to go, have further to go committed to go and remain committed to creating a workforce that reflects represents, reflects the represents, the diversity of the uk, right? okay, so my supplement is this one a revolutionary. this is incredible to help prevent dementia could be available on the nhs as as five the nhs in as little as five years. and what has been hailed as a massive breakthrough by health experts. now vaccine health experts. now the vaccine is early stages is currently in the early stages of trials and it's of patient trials and it's tipped widely tipped to become widely available nhs in five available within the nhs in five years. how amazing. wow. >> well, somebody of my age, >> well, as somebody of my age, that be very splendid indeed. >> no, indeed. >> have probably >> well, no, you'd have probably got now. you don't think got it by now. you don't think you're to go? don't you're going to go? no, i don't think. don't so. i'm think. no, i don't think so. i'm entering i'm entering i'm entering i'm i'm entering i'm entering i'm i'm entering i'm entering day over there. entering the day over there. >> i knew your calling was one in i'm entering the in medicine. i'm entering the danger period of dementia. 540,000 people. >> on today's show, i've been asking, it to call asking, is it time to call a general election? according to our poll, 62.8% of you our twitter poll, 62.8% of you say yes and only 37, 2.2% of you

say yes and only 37, 2.2% of you say no . wow. interesting. so you say no. wow. interesting. so you think it's time? well, a huge thank you. oh, and also the question of whether to scrap net zero 92.8% of you say yes, right? we should do that. thank you to my panel, author and broadcaster christina walters . broadcaster christina walters. angie christine. also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. you to you. and kelly. thank you to you. and a huge thank you to you at home for company. i forward for your company. i look forward to saturday. to seeing you on saturday. same time, 3:00. i'll time, same place, 3:00. i'll leave the weather. have time, same place, 3:00. i'll lefabulous the weather. have time, same place, 3:00. i'll lefabulous week. e weather. have a fabulous week. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello! welcome to your latest gb news weather. it's been fairly sunny across the northern half of the uk. we've seen increasing cloud in the south and we're going to see further rain push in over the next few hours. but looking at the bigger picture, low pressure dominates at the moment. it does mean further showers and rain is on

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after uk farmers protested in westminster this week , i'll be westminster this week, i'll be speaking to one of them who says there's a lack of support for uk food production, plus plenty of discussion with my panellist, futurist, lawyer and presenter andrew eborn. but first an update on the latest . news. update on the latest. news. >> good evening, i'm tatiana sanchez in the gb newsroom. king charles has made his first significant public appearance since his cancer diagnosis. joined by the queen, he smiled and waved as he left an easter sunday service at saint george's chapelin sunday service at saint george's chapel in windsor and went on to greet crowds . other members of greet crowds. other members of the royal family were also there, but the prince and princess of wales missed the service. as catherine continues her cancer treatment, our royal correspondent cameron walker says his appearance will help reassure many people . reassure many people. >> king was very much determined to attend this very important eventin to attend this very important event in the christian calendar.

he himself,