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week , i'll be westminster this week, i'll be speaking to one of them who says there's a lack of support for uk food production, plus plenty of discussion with my panellist, futurist, lawyer and presenter andrew eborn. but first an update on the latest . news. update on the latest. news. >> good evening, i'm tatiana sanchez in the gb newsroom. king charles has made his first significant public appearance since his cancer diagnosis. joined by the queen, he smiled and waved as he left an easter sunday service at saint george's chapelin sunday service at saint george's chapel in windsor and went on to greet crowds . other members of greet crowds. other members of the royal family were also there, but the prince and princess of wales missed the service. as catherine continues her cancer treatment, our royal correspondent cameron walker says his appearance will help reassure many people . reassure many people. >> king was very much determined to attend this very important eventin to attend this very important event in the christian calendar.
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he himself, of course, is head of the church of england, so he would have had a very strong religious feeling, needing to be there. but of course, there's another reason, and that is to provide a message of reassurance to the british public following the princess of wales's separate cancer diagnosis and her treatment . treatment. >> meanwhile, the archbishop of canterbury has wished the king and princess of wales well dunng and princess of wales well during his easter sermon at canterbury cathedral. justin welby encouraged the congregation to pray for charles and catherine and praised their dignity as they both undergo treatment for cancer . dignity as they both undergo treatment for cancer. in his easter message, the prime minister paid tribute to the work of churches and christian communities across the country . communities across the country. >> happy easter everyone! this weekend , as people come together weekend, as people come together to celebrate and reflect on the message at the heart of the easter festival, i want to pay tribute to the incredible work of christians in this country. the churches , charities, the churches, charities, volunteers and fundraisers who lived the christian values of
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compassion, charity and self—sacrifice , supporting those self—sacrifice, supporting those in need and demonstrating what it means to love thy neighbour. >> pope francis has presided over easter mass at the vatican. tens of thousands of people turned out to see the pontiff and the delivery of his urbi et orbi blessing from the balcony of saint peter's basilica . pope of saint peter's basilica. pope francis, who's been dealing with health problems in recent weeks , health problems in recent weeks, used his address to renew his call for an immediate ceasefire in gaza, along with the release of all israeli hostages . of all israeli hostages. israel's prime minister says more than 200 gunmen have been killed by his country's forces at a hospital in gaza. it follows reports that an israeli airstrike hit several tents on the grounds of the al—shifa hospital, killing four people and injuring others , including and injuring others, including journalists. the israeli military says a terrorist command centre was targeted. the precise hit designed to minimise civilian casualties in the last few minutes , benjamin netanyahu
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few minutes, benjamin netanyahu also declared there would be no victory over hamas without a rafah operation . in other news, rafah operation. in other news, almost 400 migrants crossed the channel today as weather conditions continue to deteriorate over both days. this weekend , border force officials weekend, border force officials intercepted 16 small boats carrying 735 people. it takes the total number of those who've arrived illegally to more than 5400 this year, a third higher than the figure recorded this time last year. people smugglers are being accused of putting their lives in danger by launching overcrowded dinghies that cannot handle the strengthening winds and large swells , a new poll suggests. the swells, a new poll suggests. the tories are on track for their worst general election result. survation found the party could win fewer than 100 seats, with labour predicted to sweep to power with a landslide victory of 468 seats. the 15,000 person poll indicated the conservatives would be wiped out in scotland
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and wales, and hold just 98 seats in england . meanwhile, the seats in england. meanwhile, the energy secretary has warned that labour's dangerous net zero plans would leave britain at the mercy of china. labour has pledged to convert the country to clean power by 2035 years earlier than the conservatives but claire coutinho told the telegraph the plan would leave the uk overreliant on chinese made metals cables and batteries, just as europe was weaning itself off russian oil and gas. for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gbnews.com/alerts. >> we hear a lot about the matching butt cheeks that are our political parties, and how left and right are meaningless
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terms that you couldn't get a cigarette paper between the mainstream political parties on account of them having merged into one anti—human blob serving not us, but the big corporations and unelected ngos that are their paymasters. well, it turns out the butt in question is the big fat bottom that is, the authorities is growing bigger every moment, swelling to absorb even more . by now, east and even more. by now, east and west, once confidently used as shorthand for the differences between totalitarianism and freedom, appear to be two more big, flabby cheeks of the same backside. while dear old rudyard kipling could say east is east and west is west, and never the twain shall meet, what we are treated to now is the wet sound of two great butt cheeks slapping together . say and think slapping together. say and think what you want about russia. lump that country together with others. you've been raised and educated to regard as enemies of democracy. if you must declare , democracy. if you must declare, if you will, that in russia there is no meaningful
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democracy, that political opponents are jailed, that state censorship of dissent is complete, the mainstream complete, that the mainstream media propaganda media spouts state propaganda and nothing else. say all that about russia and the east. but when are we going to admit to ourselves that to believe the aspirations of the leaders of the west now are in any way different than those of their counterparts in the east, is nothing more than a collective act of denial of the facts. not for the first time. it's worth remembering the end of george orwell's animal farm, when the animals look through the windows of the farmhouse as their masters, the pigs sit down to a meeting with their neighbouring human farmers . quote. the human farmers. quote. the creatures outside looked from pig creatures outside looked from pig to man and from man to pig and from pig to man again. but already it was impossible to say which was which. the pigs had ultimately envied the humans, envied they helped envied how they helped themselves to whatever they wanted, and got things done by treating the animals like well, like animals. while portraying themselves as somehow different and superior, and therefore
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entitled to rule over all the animals . and in the end they animals. and in the end they dropped all pretence and became what they had once beheld walking, dressing, and talking like those they had once professed to oppose. i don't know about anyone else, but i've long since grown tired of the pretence here in our own animal farm of the west . i'm especially farm of the west. i'm especially fed up listening to our pigs criticise those next door as though they were different. here it's ridiculous to suggest we have meaningful democracy via the ballot box when all the choices are the same. choice as henry ford once said about the cars he was offering you can have any colour you want as long as it's black. conserve native laboun as it's black. conserve native labour, liberal, snp, take your pick. all the same , all pick. all the same, all committed to telling the rest of us what to do while themselves getting fat on the proceeds of doing what their paymasters tell them. their masters being the banks, the corporations, the ngos and the intelligence agencies of the so—called west . agencies of the so—called west. here in the uk, our government
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celebrates with a superhero capo style graphic $1.5 billion to ukraine. that's 1.5 style graphic $1.5 billion to ukraine. that's1.5 billion cent to be laundered. thousands of miles away before ending up in the already bloated accounts of the already bloated accounts of the already bloated accounts of the already obscenely wealthy that might have been spent helping the people of the uk more and more of whom know the truth of that war. i mention this obscenity because it illustrates at least one way in which we in the west are actually worse than any notional villains in the east, because we've evolved economies predicated war, war predicated on forever war, war everywhere and anywhere, as long as it keeps the cash registers ringing forever, war forever crises, populations kept always on edge. are there any good guys anywhere? this week came the coverage of an atrocity in a theatre in moscow. over 130 shot dead by characters. the us was instantly able to identify as members of islamist extremist
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group isis, k being an offshoot of the same isis that is claimed by many to be the creature and creation of the us anyway, conjured into being to depose the regime of bashar al assad in syria . impressive, isn't it, syria. impressive, isn't it, that the us, whose successive administrations have failed correctly to identify even those who murdered their own president, john f kennedy, the us, where nowadays ships accidentally knocked down bridges, can nonetheless, from thousands away and with thousands of miles away and with absolute certainty, identify those their affiliation those men and their affiliation in those thugs who slaughtered innocents by the score in russia, while simultaneously assuring us that it was absolutely nothing at all to do with ukraine. many invaded to not mention credible, are the contrary voices pointing the finger of blame for the horror at ukraine and those persuading ukraine to deny the inevitability of its defeat in that money laundering war. intriguing to the way so—called isis terrorists consistently perpetrate atrocities against
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enemies of the us like iran and china and now russia. funny that. and yet here we are in the west, expected to turn a blind eye to all the ways in which any meaningful difference between our day to day reality and the traditional authoritarianism of the east has been massaged away. we're invited to clutch our pearls when shown how vladimir putin and others silenced journalists who ask questions. far less published criticism , far less published criticism, while vladimir zelenskyy great hero of ukraine and defender of democracy, does exactly that, and you hardly need look as far as ukraine, given that even as i speak , the us continues speak, the us continues aggressively to seek the scalp of australian journalist julian assange, presently rotting in his majesty's prison belmarsh, for having had the temerity to pubush for having had the temerity to publish truth inconvenient to the white house. we exist here in the bizarre, surreal universe in the bizarre, surreal universe in which assange is legal. team must seek assurances from the us that if he is finally handed over to them, that their man won't swiftly die there at
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american hands in the electric chair, or by lethal injection, for example, or perhaps by suicide if his guards fall asleep while the security cameras are turned off. julian assange published the truth . and assange published the truth. and yet, even after all these years of his incarceration , it has yet of his incarceration, it has yet to be made clear whether or not a western regime ally of the uk and of australia will reserve the right to execute him for so doing all across the west, larger and larger numbers of citizens rise in opposition to what they see happening around them. at the behest of governments notionally elected to serve their interests, farmers are in their tractors, not in their fields growing crops, but in the streets of one western capital city after another, demanding the right to do what they have always done, which is to feed the millions and the billions. recently , and the billions. most recently, engush and the billions. most recently, english farmers have made westminster the target of their own tractor protest. not that you'd know it from the general coverage of the mainstream media, in one country media, who, as in one country after across west , after another across the west, pay after another across the west, pay little the way of
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pay little in the way of meaningful attention to the needs of those who seek to feed us the time honoured fashion . us in the time honoured fashion. across europe, the farmers protests as the protests are defamed as the action of right wing populist extremists, authoritarians across the west, in the us and across the west, in the us and across europe have gone into overdrive in their concerted efforts to seize and maintain control of the narrative . in control of the narrative. in this year that is scheduled to feature national elections in one country after another, elections that have finally focused the attentions of the pesky people. attention revealed in the form of growing support for alternative political parties that must, of course, be defamed as more right wing populist extremism. faced with populations growing increasingly wise to the deliberate erosion of freedom and of rights populations waking up to the reality that their entire ways of life are targeted by regimes with aspirations that must inevitably be described as totalitarian and anti—human. panicky politicians draft laws that might simply be described
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as making it illegal to disagree with them. in scotland on april fools day, as it happens, the long dreaded and heavily criticised hate crime laws come into force. in their infinite wisdom , the snp led wisdom, the snp led administration in holyrood has made it illegal to undercoat the legislation, stir up hatred . legislation, stir up hatred. precisely what qualifies as stirring up hatred is effectively anyone's guess. the legislation, employing forms of words so vague and imprecise, so subject to interpreted and indeed abuse by whomever is empowered or invited to do so, that stirring up hatred might mean whatever the relevant authority says it does. the dean of the faculty of advocates, roddy dunlop, is among legal experts that have warned police might be swamped by completely malicious complaints by those with political and personal scores to settle against individuals they simply don't like. critics have described it as a disaster in the making. right up there with the snp's
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now legendary failed legislation that sought to slip a so—called named person , i would say a named person, i would say a snooping, snitching busybody into the lives of every scottish child, a state sponsored interloper empowered to enter into confidences with that child without the knowledge of the parents. the looming legal farce is fronted by scotland's first minister, humza yousaf, a man who has loudly objected to white people with top jobs in a country where 96% of the population is white. and if that wasn't stirring up hatred of white people under the terms of his own act, then i don't know what is. and who has made plain his eagerness to see people criminalised, even for things said in the privacy of their own homes. dear to mutter hurty words at the dinner table. and if those words are repeated by your child, perhaps within anyone's hearing at school, maybe then the possibility of a knock at the door and challenge by uniformed officers is not outwith bounds outwith the bounds of possibility . in scotland, land possibility. in scotland, land of william wallace and
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supposedly immortal cries of freedom. april fool's day promises this new stupidity only for scotland. in the short term. but given the lockstep tendencies of the regimes of the west, the use of one small country as a petri dish for testing a given insanity in one place prior to replicating it in all the others. it's my hunch that it's hello hate crime law in scotland today and hello everywhere else. sometime soon. always. the intention is the same to make speaking up, speaking out on any topic too risky , too much trouble for too risky, too much trouble for too many people for too long the would be autocrats and tinpot dictators living in the west could only of jackbooted could only dream of jackbooted totalitarianism. now they have all but achieved the hitherto impossible and unthinkable dream of donning that gear at home for the purposes of stamping on human faces. as orwell predicted forever. here's the thing i, for one, am simply sick to death of talk of democracy where there is none, talk of freedom of speech and the first amendment, when the primary aim is to silence
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among much else. i want those petty dictators to come clean once and for all, and just admit what they want, what they have all but achieved , which is the all but achieved, which is the power to tell the rest of us what to do and what to think, while acknowledging there's not a we can do about it. a damn thing we can do about it. except, of course, there always is and always will be something we can do about it. and that's to get up in their faces and tell them precisely where to go and where between the cheeks of that great big bottom. can that great big bottom. they can shove nonsense . i'm joined shove their nonsense. i'm joined this week by barrister , this week by barrister, broadcaster and futurist andrew eborn. andrew how do you not just get to the point where you just get to the point where you just think, just tell us the reality, which is that you're fed up with us having freedom of speech and rights, and you'd rather . just tell us what to do. rather. just tell us what to do. >> i think the reality, neil, i
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mean, you're absolutely right. and we're right to be fearing the legislation which has happened. we spoke about it in various territories around the world are introducing world who are introducing similar legislation. but it's always speech, but similar legislation. but it's alwifreedom speech, but similar legislation. but it's alwifreedom from speech, but similar legislation. but it's alwifreedom from consequences. not freedom from consequences. and difficulty, as you say, and the difficulty, as you say, is definition, because is in the definition, because whilst can, everybody's whilst you can, everybody's entitled to express or should be entitled to express or should be entitled express view entitled to express a view and indeed provisions for indeed there are provisions for that legislation. they're that in the legislation. they're saying to saying they're not trying to restrict difficulty is restrict it. the difficulty is when does spill out into hate when it does spill out into hate and people into that and encouraging people into that sort but the trouble sort of side. but the trouble is, and words are is, the definition and words are so they always say, so important. they always say, sticks stones break my sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt me. this is absolutely to me. this is absolutely trying to deal of side deal with that sort of side isn't i have isn't the problem, as i have heard expressed by legal heard it expressed by legal minds it's the vagueness minds that it's the vagueness and impulse vision of what's and the impulse vision of what's in the legislation that's going to lawyers and the to leave the lawyers and the police kind of throwing their hands up, not knowing what to do. statements have come do. and statements have come out already the saying already about the police saying they're investigate they're going to investigate every allegation . now, if you're every allegation. now, if you're going that, it means that going to do that, it means that certain crimes are not certain other crimes are not going to be investigated. and you're opens the
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you're right, it opens the potential for abuse of that system because people who've got a vendetta against a particular view or whatever, they could follow it up with this spurious claim. but there needs be claim. but there needs to be clear definition for the for the enforcement officers, for those who be properly who need to be properly protected. so . on and so protected. and so. on and so forth. and it needs to look at that mischief. i mean, the mischief is if it spills out genuinely into hate, that's wrong. but we must allow a system which encourages opposite views. everything views. so question everything and on that basis. >> indeed, it's a break already, after which be joined by after which i'll be joined by one of the country's leading neurologists to elon neurologists to ask if elon musk's providing musk's neuralink is providing groundbreaking research and treatment into neurological conditions throughout the world. you're watching the neil oliver show don't go show on gb news. don't go anywhere.
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welcome back to the neil oliver show . elon musk's secretive show. elon musk's secretive brain chip company neuralink has begun implanting its devices into human skulls. neuralink belongs . to into human skulls. neuralink belongs. to an upcoming category of medical devices called brain computer interface, that can help who are paralysed or help people who are paralysed or amputees regain some sense or movements. to discuss its merits and concerns, i'm joined by consultant neurologist professor mike barnes. welcome, professor. thank you for joining mike barnes. welcome, professor. thank you forjoining us. thank you for joining us. >> thank you . >> thank you. >> thank you. >> neuralink is one of those words that, you know, it's certainly lodged in my head, no pun intended, with all of the fascinating potential that it offers, but also a kind of a very strong sense of the
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unknown. so what is this latest news from and about neuralink ? news from and about neuralink? >> well, i think it's quite it's potentially quite exciting . this potentially quite exciting. this technology has been around actually for a few years. so it's not brand new. it's been for here 6 or 8 years, basically it's an implanting an array of very, very tiny electrodes in a relevant part of the brain, part of the brain, for example, that controls movement or it controls the hand movement, the signal is then transmitted to, a computer that amplifies that signal and it's passed to a computer that will move a cursor, a cursor, for example, on a computer will move when you think about it, moving or your leg or your finger will twitch when you think about it, moving . so think about it, moving. so potentially that's really exciting, particularly for people with spinal injuries, was the the only the only problem. the only problem, problem problem, but the only problem with spinal injuries is a severance of the nerve between the brain and the end, the brain and the and the end, end if you like, the hand end user, if you like, the hand or the arm or the leg. so it may
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be potentially really quite exciting for those people who may be able to walk again, albeit perhaps at first clumsily, or a hand again, clumsily, or use a hand again, or think about using a computer or think about using a computer or a telephone again. and so it's really very useful for those people. it's i think it's very early days. we've seen a man on the youtube video that was controlling the computer for playing chess, which is very exciting and very, very good news. but it was a long way to go. i wouldn't want people to think this is this technology is going to be here tomorrow to help these people with any great, certainty. >> i think we all see >> now, i think we can all see the way in which, able to the way in which, being able to help paralysed person , a help a paralysed person, a quadriplegic person, for example, use arms and legs again would be wonderful beyond description. but there description. but but there are also, concerns , aren't there? also, concerns, aren't there? and there's also, i suppose, ethical , and there's also, i suppose, ethical, considerations about the extent to which it would be appropriate to have an interface
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between a biological human and an and, and machinery. it could be open to abuse in the wrong hands, couldn't it? >> i think you could. i think it's like many things it needs proper controls and proper scrutiny. if you like to make sure it's being used for the right purpose in the right people, it's not abused. you're right. there is potentially worrying things about it, there's so far there's there's always so far there's been worry, of course, about the potential abuse of animals. in the research at neuralink laboratory that was in the press, a year or so ago. so there's many ethical, hurdles to overcome here if they can be overcome. and i hope they are, then i think could be really then i think it could be really quite life changing for people with variety of with a whole variety of neurological conditions, particularly injury. particularly spinal injury. >> oh, definitely. but but does it raise spectre of, outs it raise the spectre of, outs and outside agency, having access to what's going on in an
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individual's , head? is there individual's, head? is there a possibility of its being misused? hacked? i don't even i'm not even sure what terminology to use. oh no. >> i think at the moment the answer to that is no, all the device is doing at the moment is recording the signal in the brain. it's not allowing signals to be put into the brain as yet. it's recording what the brain is doing. the part of the brain thinks, i want to move that cursor to the left. the signal records that part of the brain. so at the moment, in its very, very early days, i don't think it is open to any significant abuse. but i think you're quite right a little bit right to be a little bit concerned that in future, concerned that in the future, perhaps technology perhaps as the technology improves improve improves and it will improve over 4 or 5 years, we over the next 4 or 5 years, we need proper controls to make sure it's not abused by sure that it's not abused by those who might want the wrong purpose it. purpose behind it. >> futurologist and eban, >> now, futurologist and eban, i can only imagine that this fills you with a considerable amount of excitement in terms of its potential . but do. of excitement in terms of its potential. but do. is it a
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double edged sword? >> oh, it's definitely a double edged sword, and i am. i've always professed a musketeer. i love the majority of what elon does. and as has been pointed out, this has been around for a little while. we had a report last year, in august last year of an a 30 year old who, when she was 30, had a stroke and she'd been paralysed for 18 years and managed to do years and they managed to do this , put an implant in her this, put an implant in her brain and managed to get signals that using avatar created from her wedding she could do her wedding video, she could do facial expressions and communicate in a way she hadn't been able to for several years. so really, really exciting on that point of view. but this is the worst it's going to be. it's only going get better from only going to get better from now you're right to now on. and so you're right to talk the other talk about the other possibilities talk about possibilities they talk about this telepathy. can find this is telepathy. you can find out are thinking on out what people are thinking on that sort of basis. >> is that how does that sound to you, mike? >> know, very idea of >> you know, the very idea of a of telepathy, you know, not now, obviously , but in the future. obviously, but in the future. >> would it, would it be possible that people would be
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able to share thoughts using a more developed iteration of this technology ? technology? >> i actually think probably, yes. i mean, we're a long way from that. i think people need to worry that technology is around the corner because it's a long, long way away. several decades, i would imagine . but decades, i would imagine. but yes, in theory, after all, we thought technology was thought this technology was exciting. ago, it was. exciting. ten years ago, it was. nothing couldn't even nothing was it couldn't be even thought of years ago. thought of ten years ago. so yeah, will move . and i yeah, things will move. and i think that's why we do need careful control to make sure this is properly this technology is properly controlled, regulated controlled, properly regulated and only put in the hands of those who really need it and would benefit from it. >> but andrew, it could be, couldn't it, seen as opening the door to transhumanism, which is that other world of that whole other world of, of exactly does mean if we exactly what does it mean if we can merge the biological human and, and the electronic machine? >> you're absolutely right. we talked about the receiver in the old days of the $6 million man. you might remember steve austin. it was, nowadays it's the $44 billion man, with elon musk.
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those sort of science fiction has become science fact. and i disagree. i think about the time frame. i think it's going to happen a lot, lot quicker. >> do you think so, mike barnes, do you think actually the whole thing could accelerate quite quickly? you maybe quickly? do you think maybe neuralink of more neuralink are capable of more already than perhaps we already than than perhaps we know i think well, it's possible. >> and of course, with elon musk's money behind it, a lot can happen. move quite quickly. i honestly think that the brain is so complicated and at the moment what they've got is actually very simple in terms of just thinking to move a cursor from left to right is actually quite simple compared to all the nuances of human thought. so i do think , we are quite a long do think, we are quite a long way away from that becoming anything like reality, to be honest. >> but we are. i think it's probably safe to say fair to say that we've opened a door , into that we've opened a door, into a potential future with lots of ethical and moral considerations and conversations that need to
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be had. thank you, professor barnes, for that contribution. so far this evening after the break, we'll be discussing the new hate crime law in scotland with commentator and former msp bnan with commentator and former msp brian monteith. you're watching the neil oliver show on gb news. don't go away
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welcome back once more to the neil oliver show. it's about to become a criminal offence to stir up hatred against certain groups in scotland. but the laws are controversial , with some are controversial, with some commentators saying all of it will serve to stifle free speech. i'm joined now by political commentator and former msp brian monteith, welcome, bnan.
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brian. >> hi there. great to be on the show again. thanks >> good to see you. now you've said i've, i've read your recent remarks suggesting that the hate crime laws in scotland could make scotland a laughing stock. would you would you elaborate on that thought? >> yes. what it is that there's an incentive within the system that has been brought in for people to actually make vexatious complaints , that is, vexatious complaints, that is, complaints without any real substance , simply because in a substance, simply because in a sense, they're hate based themselves , to take down themselves, to take down political opponents or to silence people such as jk rowling, who they see as the enemy , there are perverse enemy, there are perverse incentives involved because even if the police do not consider a crime has been committed, they can then record , a non hate can then record, a non hate crime incident, and that can
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then be a number is given, it's put on file and, the, the supposed victim of what is not a crime, is told all this, but it happens without the person who's accused of the crime but has not committed a crime, then being told that they are a hate crime incident, it is absolutely absurd. absolutely absurd . absurd. absolutely absurd. because then activists very hatefully, ironically, can then go about complaining about everybody trying to force the police to smother them and smother their free speech, so this is going to create more hate, more division in society rather than actually try and calm people down. and just one other thing. freedom of speech means being able to take hearty words, and that's quite a different thing from inciting violence . inciting violence violence. inciting violence should be a crime. but just saying hearty words about i
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don't like these people because they have, green faces or the wrong religion, you know, that's quite a different thing from violence . violence. >> andrew eborn. yes, for me , >> andrew eborn. yes, for me, apart from anything else, it is the imprecision that's there in the imprecision that's there in the in the language of the legislation, i would have thought that something that is the law going to be the law of the law going to be the law of the land would have to give lawyers and police and lawyers and the police and everyone else absolute certainty. but the notion that someone just comes to the authorities and says that that is hateful. yes. who makes that decision ? decision? >> you're absolutely right. there needs to be certainty for all involved, including those enforced the law. they need to have certainty as to what constitutes this hate speech is what i said beforehand is freedom but not freedom of speech, but not freedom of speech, but not freedom consequence is what freedom from consequence is what you do is you mustn't you need to do is you mustn't stifle speech. it's stifle freedom of speech. it's essential we question essential that we question everything. encourage other everything. we encourage other people alternative people to express alternative views. don't want to do views. what we don't want to do is have the hate speech, which
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turns into violence and so on and so forth. and i think that's what we need to look at. but when you're having woolly language, what i call woolly language, what i call woolly language, difficult language, it makes it difficult for those enforcing it. as you say, could whole say, you could get a whole catalogue saying have catalogue of saying there have been numerous complaints about hate speech against an individual have individual because people have points individual because people have poiibrian, it's not just us >> brian, it's not just us obviously voicing reservations about all of this. >> you know, the dean of the faculty of advocates, the people representing the police, you know, during the course of this bill's progress through holyrood have raised concerns . is it does have raised concerns. is it does it say something about that administration in holyrood that they have just pushed and pushed and pushed ahead with something that all sorts of smarter brains were telling them not to do ? were telling them not to do? >> well, this is actually political activism making law. it's the snp and the greens like to talk about consultation, but they actually turned a nelsonian eye and a deaf ear to the
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consultation. the truth of it is how this will be used and why it's so important to them, is because at once there are so many hate crimes being recorded as incidents. we don't have to be crimes . as incidents. we don't have to be crimes. then as incidents. we don't have to be crimes . then they will say be crimes. then they will say are we were right because there's all these hate crime incidents and look how the numbers are going up. and of course, as i say, the perverse, incentives push these and push people to make more . and so from people to make more. and so from the back of the rise in supposed hate crime incidents, they will need more draconian laws, more, more shutting down of free speech, and it's very interesting that this particular law does not protect women , but law does not protect women, but it protects all sorts of other groups, i.e. the groups who push the law, but but at the expense of women's rights. and women are the targets here. there's absolutely no doubt about it.
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and because jk rowling has been , and because jk rowling has been, quite reasonable in what she said and my estimation , but said and my estimation, but obviously is a figurehead to many, they are seeking to try and take people like her down and take people like her down and gain more laws out of it. >> andrew, what it comes down to for me is when did any government get it in its head that it should be telling the people who pay their wages, yes, what to say and even what to think. >> humza yousaf wants people criminal for things they say in the privacy of their own home. >> is that famous t shirt? isn't it a thing? while it's still free to do so? and that's the reality. i mean, you have to have a system where you can basically have those whose views you disagree with. they must have a platform to express those views. the whole views. that's the whole idea of freedom and what's freedom of speech. and what's going if, on the 1st going to happen if, on the 1st of april appropriate date, as you we're going to you pointed out, we're going to get precedents are going come get precedents are going to come up, to see what up, we're going to see what happens rowling
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happens with j.k. rowling and the and whether the statements and see whether that's being a hate that's accused of being a hate speech under the under that new legislation. this is going legislation. and this is going to happen. i think it's a very, very dangerous we're on very dangerous ground we're on at because of the at the moment because of the woolliness dangerous ground. >> just last >> brian monteith, just a last word do how word from you. what do you how do this developing ? are do you see this developing? are we just going to see a glut of mischievous, cases , swamping the mischievous, cases, swamping the courts that already struggle to cope with the with the with the workload ? workload? >> i think there are many people in scotland who will not be able to contain themselves or show any patience , and are likely to any patience, and are likely to submit a continual complaints. they probably have them already lined , and it will place, lined, and it will place, immense pressure on the police , immense pressure on the police, who have said they will investigate every complaint when they're not investigating every burglary, every car theft , it burglary, every car theft, it just makes the law look an ass. it makes people think that it's not protecting them, and not
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protecting their property , and protecting their property, and it's all being done, like student union police ethics. it's not living in the real world where people actually have to live and work and raise families . families. >> well, brian monteith, speaking for myself as someone who's, who's aired various opinions about various things in the public domain over the years, i await april fool's day with with some interest. but bnan with with some interest. but brian monteith, thanks very much , for joining brian monteith, thanks very much , forjoining us this evening. , for joining us this evening. coming up, we've seen farmers protesting all over europe for months now. i think it's becoming years now. it's coming to the uk. hundreds of tractors descended on westminster last week, asking the government to do more. after the break, i'll be joined by one of the organisers. you're watching the neil oliver show on gb news. don't go away.
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welcome back to the neil oliver show. now, earlier in the week, more than 100 tractors rolled past the houses of parliament as farmers protested against what they say is a lack of support for uk food production . save for uk food production. save british farming, one of the organisers say cheap food imports and unsupportive policies are putting uk food security at risk. liz webster , security at risk. liz webster, the founder of save british farming, joins me now . good farming, joins me now. good evening liz. thanks forjoining us. >> us. >> hello. thanks for asking me on. this is a with me. >> this is a story. the farming protests in the world all across europe and elsewhere. i've been i've been following it with
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great interest and great concern , and now and now here we are. it's actually happening here on the on the home turf in, in britain. can you tell us about the protest and what actually happened that you saw with your own eyes? >> well, we, about 100 tractors, drove into london. we started organising this a few weeks ago , organising this a few weeks ago, and we've been working with some kent farmers, but people came from dorset and berkshire and lancashire and leicester and all sorts of areas . and whilst yes, sorts of areas. and whilst yes, there are , protests in europe, there are, protests in europe, but the, the farmers across europe always protest whenever there's change. the, the unusual thing is that british farmers are protesting and that's really never really happened before. and it's, it's really to do with the fact that we are facing a deluge of substandard imports ,
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deluge of substandard imports, and these imports are able to be, packaged with a or labelled with a british flag if those foods are processed or packaged here, and that is giving us a huge amount of problems because it's undercutting us. we're tied to high standards , and it's to high standards, and it's putting us out of business. and we think that the british people need to know that. added to which, the government are incentivising us to go into environmental schemes . and that environmental schemes. and that means taking land out of production to grow flowers. and we are worried for the country's food security and food supply. and that's why we have started protesting or demonstrating. and we will continue to highlight these issues until we get change. and we feel that with the election coming, now is a good time for to us do this. >> liz, do you think that the increasingly, i suppose, urbanised population of, of britain and it's not by any
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means a british condition do you think there's anything like the appreciation of, of how much we really do depend on farmers and farming? do you think that basic connection in people's minds is somehow absent, that they just think the food will somehow magically be in the in the vast supermarkets , absolutely. there supermarkets, absolutely. there is a you know, there is a huge disconnect between food and people thinking that it suddenly arrives on the supermarket shelves by magic. and they i think they think farming is a hobby rather than something that actually feeds them. and i think there is a high expectation for farmers in communities as well . farmers in communities as well. and they people don't really understand that it's a really committed job. it's seven days a week. i mean , we're carving at week. i mean, we're carving at the moment means 24 hours a day. you're on duty and people just don't seem to appreciate what what we do, why we do it and
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what we do, why we do it and what we do, why we do it and what we mean for the country in particular, and also, if we give up farming in britain to allow farmers across the world to feed us, we'll have a complete and utter loss of control, and, you know, as farmers find that really frightening , you know, really frightening, you know, and that's why we're out there, because we want to feed the british people. we don't want to give up our farming. if we give up our farming, what will happen to the countryside? >> so, you know, andrew, to me, this beggars belief. yes. you know that we could be contemplating a situation . where contemplating a situation. where we don't actually grow our own food. i mean, i know it might be a little bit down the line. it's not going to happen tomorrow. but imagine if we're on the on ramp to a situation where we are just dependent on all of our food coming from elsewhere, just because food coming from elsewhere, just becaiknow you're absolutely
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>> i know you're absolutely right. makes brilliant right. and liz makes a brilliant point around, we point in turning around, and we need to educate people as to what certain things what these certain things are because effectively we're being peddled when peddled a lie, if you like. when you use the british you say you can use the british flag, when what is it's flag, when what is it? it's processed or packaged here and you the british you can still use the british flag. think, flag. people will think, well, hang must home—grown. hang on, we must be home—grown. well it's not, and that's the reality. more you can reality. the more you can bring the that the awareness to people on that sort that's helpful. >> think there's >> liz. i think there's something about something very powerful about the farming lobby, so to speak. you i think where you know, i think we're where the british population you know, i think we're where the turn british population you know, i think we're where the turn deafish population you know, i think we're where the turn deafish p0|a lation you know, i think we're where the turn deafish p0|a blind might turn a deaf ear or a blind eye to protests from eye to, to certain protests from certain quarters. i think it really with people. certain quarters. i think it really you with people. certain quarters. i think it really you talk with people. certain quarters. i think it really you talk about people. certain quarters. i think it really you talk about the ple. certain quarters. i think it really you talk about the farmers, certain quarters. i think it real know, talk about the farmers, certain quarters. i think it real know, byk about the farmers, certain quarters. i think it realknow, by inclination farmers, certain quarters. i think it realknow, by inclination aarmers, certain quarters. i think it realknow, by inclination a small, you know, by inclination a small c conservative people c conservative group of people and that when they're in their tractors, the fields, tractors, not in the fields, planting raising planting crops or raising livestock, trundling planting crops or raising livestocicentral trundling planting crops or raising livestocicentral london'undling planting crops or raising livestocicentral london to dling planting crops or raising livestocicentral london to try|g through central london to try and make their voices heard, i do you get a sense that the people are behind you as they have been behind the farmers elsewhere. >> we felt absolute love, on monday from the people in london and all the farmers have really said, have said that they had people coming up to their
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tractors waving. you know, it's ramadan at the moment and the people coming out of the mosque came through and jumped all over the tractors and were waving and throwing kisses. and, you know, we with the we actually could cry with the support that we've had from the pubuc support that we've had from the public because isolated public because we're isolated and we're really controlled by defra, who are, you know, and we're put through this red tractor inspection as well, which is incredibly stressful. and to think that our products are ending up on the shelves next to products which don't have to go through any of that farm assurance scheme, and yet we have to go through these massive hoops. it's just so wrong. but then also the public are being, well, misled into thinking they're buying british products when they're not. and so we do feel the british public are behind us, particularly those that feel you know, connected to the country. and, you know, there's nothing more, i guess, secure. you know, it's about your your national security, isn't it. food.
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because we do know in the last war we went to down 30% sales efficiency when the empire fed us. but now we don't have an empire. and the thought that we could be held to ransom for food is really scary. but in addition to that, the new trade deals and in particular the cpt tpp deal is a massive threat to british farming and we really need to ditch these bad trade deals. they're really bad news for us. and so we hope that moving forward as we go into the election, there will be more debate around the need get debate around the need to get out deals . even george out of these deals. even george eustice, the former defra secretary, has been incredibly critical of these deals, which liz truss was at the centre of negotiating very badly. they are the worst deals in history as far as we're concerned, as farmers, and we definitely want out of them . out of them. >> liz webster, i can say unashamedly and unabashedly, you have the farmers have my absolute 100% cast iron support,
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and i will hope you'll stay in touch, because obviously, the plight of the british farmers is closest to my heart of, of all of the farmers around the world. thank you so much for joining of the farmers around the world. thank you so much forjoining us this evening. you're watching the show news. the neil oliver show on gb news. if you're watching on tv, stay tuned for free speech nation. that's next. but you can catch more of this show online and i will hope to see you there. >> join me camilla tominey every sunday at 930 when i'll be interviewing the key players in british politics and taking them to task in this report basically says that he's not fit to stand trial. with an upcoming election looming over westminster, now is the time for clear, honest answers . i agree, and that's
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gb news. away. >> good evening. the top stories from the gb newsroom. king charles has made his first significant public appearance since his cancer diagnosis. joined by the queen, he smiled and waved as he left an easter sunday service at saint george's chapelin sunday service at saint george's chapel in windsor and went on to greet crowds . a member of the greet crowds. a member of the pubuc greet crowds. a member of the public told the king to keep going strong and others said he looked well. the prince and princess of wales missed the service as catherine continues her for cancer. her treatment for cancer. meanwhile, the archbishop of canterbury has wished the king and princess of wales well dunng and princess of wales well during his easter sermon at canterbury cathedral, justin welby encouraged the
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congregation to pray for charles and catherine and praised their dignity as they both undergo treatment for cancer . well, dignity as they both undergo treatment for cancer. well, in his easter message, the prime minister paid tribute to the work of churches and christian communities across the country . communities across the country. >> happy easter everyone! this weekend, as people come together to celebrate and reflect on the message at the heart of the easter festival, i want to pay tribute to the incredible work of christians in this country. the churches, charities, volunteers and fundraisers who live the christian values of compassion, charity and self—sacrifice , supporting those self—sacrifice, supporting those in need and demonstrating what it means to love thy neighbour. >> thousands of people turned out to see pope francis preside over easter mass at the vatican. the pontiff delivered his urbi et orbi blessing from the balcony of saint peter's basilica. pope francis, who's been dealing with health problems in recent weeks, used his address to renew his call for an immediate ceasefire in gaza, along with the release of
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