stories this evening. the top stories this evening. campaigners in edinburgh have delivered a coffin outside the scottish parliament, symbolising what they say is the death of free speech. it's after the introduction of a new hate crime law, which makes it a crime to stir up hatred against people with protected characteristics. that includes disability, age , that includes disability, age, sexual orientation or people who are transgender or gender critical. author jk rowling are transgender or gender critical. authorjk rowling said it risks outlawing genuine debate over biological sex. while some police forces have raised concerns that complaints could be lodged for political reasons, the scottish conservatives say resources should towards should be directed towards frontline . more than frontline policing. more than 5400 migrants have been intercepted crossing the english channelin intercepted crossing the english channel in small boats during the first three months of this yeah the first three months of this year. it's a record figure for that quarter, up 43% compared to the same time in 2023, official

figures from the home office show 442 people made . the show 442 people made. the crossing in nine small boats yesterday. that's despite difficult weather conditions, with lifeboats scrambling to assist some of the arrivals. today's strong winds have now made the journey completely impassable. . rough impassable. plans to find. rough sleepers are provoking outrage, with more than 40 conservative mps said to be preparing to rebel, the new criminal justice bill police to fine bill would allow police to fine or move on. so—called nuisance rough sleepers. it was intended to replace the vagrancy act from 1824, which currently criminalises both rough sleeping and begging. but reports suggest . the new bill has been paused while ministers negotiate with mps who are concerned about the consequences of issuing fines to homeless plans homeless people. the plans were introduced home introduced by the former home secretary suella braverman, who branded rough sleeping a lifestyle . the head lifestyle choice. the head of the union accused the

the nurses union has accused the government of packing hospital corridors with patients , and corridors with patients, and says the quality of care is not only undignified but fatally unsafe. it comes as new estimates suggest more than 250 patients a week in england may have died needlessly last year because of long waits for a hospital bed, a report by the royal college of emergency medicine revealed. more than 1.5 million patients waited in emergency departments for longer than 12 hours last year. the department for health says. it added thousands of hospital beds and insists it's making progress on waiting times . and energy on waiting times. and energy bills are due to fall to their lowest rate in two years after regulator ofgem cut its price cap by 12.3. it means the average household for bill gas and electricity will fall by around £238 over the course of a yean around £238 over the course of a year, or about £20 a month. however, around 10 million households are still being urged to submit metre readings to

avoid overpayment . for the avoid overpayment. for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen , or the qr code on your screen, or go to gb news .com/ alerts. now back to . nigel. back to. nigel. >> good evening. it's called devolution . and what it means, devolution. and what it means, of course, is that administrations be there in scotland wales local scotland or wales or local mayors whatever mayors will take whatever national and national government does and take it even further. and in this context, today saw coming into law the hate crime and pubuc into law the hate crime and public order act scotland 2021. now we've had hate crime legislation in a sense since 1986. what's the object of it been .7 well, to stop incitement, been? well, to stop incitement, to stop language that might encourage behaviour that would genuinely be dangerous . that's genuinely be dangerous. that's always been the bar my worry with this legislation is it

contains words like likely you know, is what you've said likely to perhaps cause somebody to be seriously hurt, whether that's physically or emotionally. and we've even lowered the bar so much that terms that are insulting could be drawn within this legislation . by the way, this legislation. by the way, the maximum penalty if you break this law is an unbelievable seven years in prison. i'm not quite sure what this means for jk rowling, who says quite clearly that trans women are not . real women. will she be one of the first victims of this? i simply don't know. whilst we do want to live in society that want to live in a society that is civil to each other, and whilst i think we all understand that incitement is genuine , that incitement is genuine, dangerous and wrong at every level, here's my real worry about this legislation . let's about this legislation. let's say two people have a bust up a fall out. it could be in business, it could be within a family. it could be an argument in a pub, and somebody can go

and make a complaint to say that you've said something absolutely outrageous . it's deeply outrageous. it's deeply unpleasant without any evidence whatsoever . that goes on to whatsoever. that goes on to a police file. the police look at it and say there is a lack of evidence, and yet that will be recorded on your police file as a non—crime hate incident. and even though you've done nothing wrong whatsoever , you're just wrong whatsoever, you're just the victim of a vexatious attack thatis the victim of a vexatious attack that is going to be on your file forever. and that to me is a very dangerous, slippery slope. love your thoughts. do you agree with me? am i getting perhaps too paranoid about it? tell me i'm wrong. dangerous? i'm wrong. is this dangerous? farage gbnews.com. i'm farage at gbnews.com. well, i'm joined by fadi joined in the studio by fadi farhat, senior legal consultant at gulbenkian andonian solicitors and veteran lgbt campaigner peter tatchell. finally, let's begin with you .

finally, let's begin with you. this does lower the bar, doesn't it? you know, in the past with the hate legislation, the race relations act, etc, public order act that we've had this legislation has been there for 40 years. you kind of had to say something that clearly and unequivocally was expressing hatred against the group and perhaps even incitement. this has lowered the bar considerably. >> that's correct. so in the past we've had i mean, there has always been a criminal offence of stirring up hatred by reference to race. that's always beenin reference to race. that's always been in the public law act of 1986. this goes further by expanding or by including all the protected characteristic characteristics. so now we have age, disability , transgender age, disability, transgender identity and other and other well the various protected characteristics. so it goes further in that sense, but it also eliminates the current structure whereby you have to

have an intention to do so. so an intention is not the only thing that can amount to a criminal offence. it's whether it's likely what's been said or doneis it's likely what's been said or done is likely, which is a very subjective judgement. >> yes. >> yes. >> so that's raised concerns that you're criminalising not just what you believe what, but you could be criminalised for what you're perceived to believe, which are two different things entirely. >> they are. so what happens if there's a 17 year old and he or she has fallen out with their parents? a fairly common occurrence in most families? can they report their parents, in theory, yes. the only distinguishing feature there is, i suspect that . because it was i suspect that. because it was in a private setting, there may be no public interest to prosecute, but that just goes to the prosecutorial decision of whether to prosecute or not, not necessarily whether to prosecute or not, not necebeenly whether to prosecute or not, not necebeen committed or not. has been committed or not. >> a amount of >> but it's a huge amount of power, doesn't it, in the hands of the courts? of judges and the courts? yes and do think and would these do you think most would go to

most of these cases would go to jury most of these cases would go to jury or not? jury trial or not? >> no, they are they can >> no, well, they are they can go either way. so depending on the depending on what's been said, depending on the seriousness or whether there's any features, any aggravating features, you can yes, there is can go to a jury. yes, there is though the scottish government is stress that there is an is does stress that there is an in—built defence. so there is an in—built defence. so there is an in—built defence. so there is an in—built defence by reference to freedom of expression and whether what's been said or done is reasonable in the circumstances. by reference to freedom of expression, which does include one's right to shock and offend. but of course the line is blurred and much of what's been said is if we take, transgender issues, the concern which jk rowling has is , of which jk rowling has is, of course, much of these issues are subject to ongoing public debate or ongoing public discourse. so they're not necessarily settled, such as, for example, holocaust denial, where we have the evidence of history and the full weight of history to know that that happened, other areas are not settled in the public

not quite settled in the public discourse, such as, for example, sport and role of sport and the role of transgender, competitors in sport, is not the sport, which is not the exclusion of transgender, but the role of trans. yes, yes. >> peter tatchell i mean, should jk rowling be allowed say jk rowling be allowed to say that trans women are not real women? >> well, first let me say i broadly support this legislation. it has a good aim to protect people against hate. ihave to protect people against hate. i have a number of caveats, though. first of all, it does extend the race hate laws to other protected characteristics, but not to travellers or women who are both victims of a lot of hate . and that's a big failing. hate. and that's a big failing. now, i know the scottish government is planning to bring in a misogyny to cover government is planning to bring in a misbutny to cover government is planning to bring in a misbut why to cover government is planning to bring in a misbut why shouldver government is planning to bring in a misbut why should they women, but why should they be covered separate legislation? covered in separate legislation? they should be covered in the same separate women same legislation, separate women out is that's not equality, that's segregation . the other that's segregation. the other issue is, of course, many of the terms in this bill or this act are open to subjective interpretation, as we just said. so what is a reasonable person, a reasonable person may have a different interpretation. there

are terms like malice, ill will, prejudice, hate . none of them prejudice, hate. none of them are defined. so the question is how will they be interpreted? now there are freedom of expression protections. so it does say very explicitly in the act that it will not preclude or not cause an offence if you merely criticise or discuss an issue. so, for example, saying that a trans woman, if you insult, if you insult, well, well this is so does jk rowling insuh well this is so does jk rowling insult trans women in your opinion? well, i don't think that falls within the realm under this legislation of insult because it got it's got the protection that it's a valid discussion and a criticism. now, other people may disagree , but other people may disagree, but thatis other people may disagree, but that is what the legislation says it gives. that also gives very strong protections to religion. so it says it's okay to, dispute , disagree, to, dispute, disagree, criticise, ridicule and even insuh criticise, ridicule and even insult religion. so there's protections for comedians, films

, stage plays that may satirise religion. >> something. here's my worry. my >> something. here's my worry. my worry is, you know, i mentioned it earlier , the mentioned it earlier, the vexatious complaint that gets registered as an nick hewer non—crime hate incident . registered as an nick hewer non—crime hate incident. here's the horrifying bit. you know, you or i go for a job and our employer wants to enhance police check , quite rightly. and on check, quite rightly. and on that, enhanced police check, it will show up that you were reported and an allegation was made. i mean, this you know, this could damage people's lives, innocent people's lives. >> well, it's going to be made worse because under this act, reporting can be done by a third party centres, which means you don't have to be a victim yourself, but someone, joe bloggs or whoever jane bloggs can it, but also it can can report it, but also it can be anonymously via be reported anonymously via crime now these two crime stoppers now these two aspects the floodgates to aspects open the floodgates to vexatious, malicious complainants. absolutely. and could absolutely flood the police with unjust, unfounded allegations which could tie up

police resources. and as you say, when it goes on to a non hate damage people's lives, let's just show a clip of the scottish first minister, humza yousaf, speaking just over a year ago in the scottish parliament. >> i'm very keen to get both of you to comment on this. here he is. >> what president white, the lord justice clerk, white, every high court judge white, the lord advocate white, the solicitor general white. >> he doesn't seem to like white people very much, does he , he people very much, does he, he has on the basis of that clip, there's an issue i don't know. >> but here's the point about something that so subjective. >> but here's the point about smean,ng that so subjective. >> but here's the point about s mean, you 1at so subjective. >> but here's the point about s mean, you know, so subjective. >> but here's the point about s mean, you know, somejective. >> but here's the point about smean, you know, some people, i mean, you know, some people, peter could interpret that as being really quite aggressive about white people holding positions of and power. positions of rank and power. >> well, of course, i'm sure he wasn't saying that. with all wasn't saying that. but with all these things, has to be these things, it has to be looked terms of context looked at in terms of context and intention. so under the legislation , there isn't a legislation, there isn't a clause about intention. it's

either a person intends or is likely or likely to behave in ways that are threatening , ways that are threatening, abusive, or insulting. interestingly, some years ago, the westminster parliament removed the insulting clause from the public order act on the grounds that it was too sweeping and too wide. and now the insulting clause has been put back in because it's student politics. >> that's what it's all about now. there has been a demo outside the scottish parliament today, and i'm joined the today, and i'm joined down the line edinburgh by line from edinburgh by alan miller, of the miller, co—founder of the together . ian allan together declaration. ian allan how big was the protest and what sort of people were there? >> well, it was brilliant, nigel. it was really big, and lots of people from all over, really. there were unionists, there were republicans , secular there were republicans, secular people, there were pastors speaking , people that were speaking, people that were non—affiliated politically. there were lots of campaigners from free speech and academics for academic freedom from stu, the, scottish union of

education, who are very concerned about reporting stations that already exist at universities and other places over 400 of them, where you can report college , teachers and report college, teachers and staff and children when they say things. this is an egregious, draconian act . it things. this is an egregious, draconian act. it is things. this is an egregious, draconian act . it is utterly draconian act. it is utterly contemptible in the land that gave us the scottish enlightenment, that james madison enshrined in the constitution with free speech. we're now seeing it suffocated. it's an attack on the scottish people , no matter what political people, no matter what political affiliation you're from, because we have got to remember, nigel, that you and i might disagree about things, but we never get to clarity a democracy to get clarity in a democracy unless we can thrash these things out. and when they say you're stirring hate, does that things out. and when they say you'rethating hate, does that things out. and when they say you'rethat someone does that things out. and when they say you'rethat someone subjectively mean that someone subjectively just you're saying just thinks what you're saying is reprehensible? well, voltaire reminded didn't he? he said reminded us, didn't he? he said we should be able to and he would die for the right to be offended by someone else. that's what we need to have in

scotland. and why scotland. and that's why together supporting the together here supporting the challenge against it. we're encouraging all our signatures and viewers. nigel, the and all your viewers. nigel, the elections up. is elections are coming up. this is a scandal and outrageous. >> okay, well, we're not going to get involved with elections because that would quite because that would be quite difficult given where we are in the timetable. but no. allan, really interesting . and i'll really interesting. and i'll tell you what, introducing a touch of voltaire to proceedings this evening, i thoroughly approve thank you . i mean approve of. thank you. i mean party, is this is going to party, this is this is going to be an absolute legal minefield , be an absolute legal minefield, isn't it? >> it is. and even if you take the clip that you showed. yeah, there of course, was part there that of course, was part of a wider debate. so looking at the wider debate, you can have the wider debate, you can have the context. but if you just take that clip on its own , that take that clip on its own, that could be said to be likely be could be said to be likely to be perceived as inciting, or stirring up hatred on its own . stirring up hatred on its own. the question is with social media, with clips being taken into smaller shorts and everything and material being shared out, that could create the real risk that what you've

actually said isn't embodied fully in the short clip. and that could give rise to a risk of prosecution . of prosecution. >> peter tatchell, final thoughts with you does any of this legislation actually improve society and make things better? i get the intention, you know, and you stated that very clearly beginning. does clearly at the beginning. does any work? any of it actually work? >> think we can look at >> well, i think we can look at the experience of the legislation stirring the experience of the legishaten stirring the experience of the legishate . stirring the experience of the legishate . it stirring the experience of the legishate . it hasn't;tirring the experience of the legishate . it hasn't stopped it, race hate. it hasn't stopped it, but it has dramatically reduced it. it's made black and asian communities feel safer and when they are victimised, it's given them redress. so on that count, it's good. and i think that's the purpose and intention of the legislation to extend that to other groups. so you know, jewish communities, muslim communities others are communities and others who are often of hate to give often victims of hate to give them protection, and rightly so. the question is, how is it going to be interpreted? that's the big no no. absolutely good big fear. no no. absolutely good intentions. yeah. but let's just look how going to be look at how it's going to be interpreted. i just fear interpreted. and i just fear that the feel that particularly the i feel sorry the they're sorry for the police, they're going swamped going to be swamped with victricius malicious

complainants. yeah. deliberately trying to overload bad law . trying to overload bad law. yeah, it is bad law in the sense that it's got too many open ended loopholes. >> is it bad law ? >> is it bad law? >> is it bad law? >> fardy whenever you have something that's so broad and subject to evaluative judgement by individuals, you're going to get different opinions from one prosecutor to another, from one cps caseworker to another, and you're going to have inconsistency. when you have inconsistency, that is bad law, right? >> well, we have some agreement on the panel now on behalf of the scottish government. the minister for victims and community safety, shevaun brown, has said nobody in our society should live in fear and we are committed to building safer communities that live free from hatred and prejudice. we know that the impact on those on the receiving end physical, receiving end of physical, verbal or online attacks can be traumatic and life changing. this legislation is an essential element of our wider approach to tackling that harm. well, none of us doubt that it's just that

we have agreement here that it's bad law. in fact, i think it's very, very, very bad law indeed. and i think a lot of innocent people are going to finish up as victims of this, and it may well cost of people now, cost a lot of people jobs. now, in we'll look at the in a moment, we'll look at the protest that took place on saturday. another pro—palestinian march and an extraordinary exchange between a jewish woman and a police officer about interpretations of the swastika. quite extraordinary

well, your reactions to that absolutely fascinating debate about what we all thought on the panel was bad legislation being brought in by student politician and first minister humza yousaf. gareth says on sunday 50,000 football supporters will be watching rangers v celtic. they will all commit hate crimes.

gareth i think you're probably right karen says the new law in scotland has forgotten women as a scottish woman i feel vulnerable, not protected and unsafe in public places. the uk is no longer a safe place for women. karen, i agree with the sentiment of that, but how a piece of legislation passed by the scottish parliament to, in theory, protect women would make an ape of the difference. i have absolutely no idea at all. steve says this law has one simple objective to shut down criticism of the snp that may be taking it a bit too far, and john finally says, will the new hate crime laws include anti—englishness ? laws include anti—englishness? well, i wouldn't have thought so for one moment, given the way the snp , or at least many of the snp, or at least many of them now on saturday, them feel now on saturday, another big march in london, another big march in london, another couple of hundred thousand people or whatever it was on the pro—palestine in march again, and one very extraordinary incident that took place between a jewish woman who

was there seeing what was going on, and a member of the metropolitan police. listen in to this . you like to walk with to this. you like to walk with me because i can point these people out to you. >> and again, i was told when i asked that a swastika was not necessarily anti—semitic or disruptive necessarily anti—semitic or disruptiv doesn't right me. >> everything needs to be taken in context, doesn't it? >> it's context of why. >> but it's a context of why. >> but it's a context of why. >> does it? why does >> why does it? why does the swastika need context? >> what exactly are you confused about? i confused is how about? what i confused is how you don't. >> in what context? a swastika is anti—semitic . this is is not anti—semitic. this is what to know. is not anti—semitic. this is whtbecause to know. is not anti—semitic. this is whtbecause again,w. is not anti—semitic. this is whtbecause again, i. is not anti—semitic. this is whtbecause again, i suppose to is not anti—semitic. this is whtbeiause again, i suppose to is not anti—semitic. this is whtbei don'tagain, i suppose to is not anti—semitic. this is whtbei don't know i suppose to is not anti—semitic. this is whtbei don't know how)pose to some i don't know how everybody would feel about that sign that has happened. i cannot i'm here working for the branch commander and it is not my responsibility. >> unfortunately , my role to >> unfortunately, my role to walk down the road . walk down the road. >> oh dear dear, dear dear dear, the calibre of plod appears to have gone down somewhat. this chap clearly utterly clueless. how the hell can you talk about

a swastika being used? i shouldn't laugh, but it's so ridiculous. i have to. but a swastika being used in context now it could be that that police officer is a highly educated man and a student of ancient hindu tradition . but somehow i rather tradition. but somehow i rather doubt that because the swastika was and still actually is in use in india, it's an ancient hindu symbol and actually one that stands for peace. it was adopted by the national socialists and their leader, adolf hitler, and i think we all know what that symbol means. i think we all know what that symbol means . and if that symbol means. and if that symbol, you know, is being paraded through the streets of london, then i think we all understand what it means. now, look, i'm not going to contradict myself from the previous segment. i don't believe in hate laws, but there are some things on these marches that are utterly provocative in every way. and when you join the dots and put all the different

things together, they are pretty unacceptable. in britain . unacceptable. in modern britain. well, i'm joined once again in the studio by jonathan sasha doster, sacerdoti sorry, broadcaster and journalist . broadcaster and journalist. jonathan, i was laughing there at the police officer . i mean, at the police officer. i mean, it's not funny, really, is it? >> well, i think the ignorance is laughable, but it's certainly also very scary. and i think that what we're looking at there is a officer who said he is a police officer who said he doesn't know how everybody would feel about that . well, i feel about that placard. well, i think i know how everybody would feel placard , unless feel about that placard, unless perhaps a nazi perhaps they are a nazi sympathiser and the police shouldn't be particularly defending them to intimidate jewish people on the streets. and the broader problem, i think, arises from this think, that arises from this incident is that there are people marching through the streets of london with swastikas and particular and in fact, the particular image that jocelyn weiss was talking about there. i interviewed yesterday in a interviewed her yesterday in a long interview. she told me that the image was the particular image was benjamin netanyahu, the prime minister of israel, with a hitler moustache and a swastika

on his tie. so i think the context that she alerted that policeman to is blindingly obvious and is anti—semitic and those marches have had the effect of intimidating many jewish and non—jewish people from going into the centre of london when they're taking place. and that's not a protest, that's bullying, intimidation that's a bullying, intimidation practice. and it needs to end. i think and the think the government and the police have talked about this in circles enough. i think circles for long enough. i think it's they actually haven't. >> come on, haven't police? >> come on, haven't the police? jonathan surrendered the jonathan just surrendered the streets effectively. they've jonathan just surrendered the street up zfectively. they've jonathan just surrendered the street up zfectivelythey? i've given up haven't they? >> the said they >> well, the police said they arrested somebody very arrested somebody with that very poster her. but the point is, poster to her. but the point is, she said there were many of those posters. in fact, she asked the guy who she met carrying the placard where he got said they'd been got it, and he said they'd been handing at a previous handing them out at a previous protest. some organised protest. so some organised people that's printed out these stickers because the met have come back and said an arrest was made. >> the problem here is , isn't >> the problem here is, isn't it, that those who go on those marches will say, no, no, no , marches will say, no, no, no, no, no, we're not anti—semitic,

we're anti—israel. and it's how you draw the distinction there. >> pretty obvious, >> i think it's pretty obvious, isn't someone's isn't it, when someone's anti—semitic anti—israel, anti—semitic and anti—israel, there's plenty of ways to criticise any country. there's plenty of ways to criticise any geopolitical situation . but when geopolitical situation. but when you have sort of frothing people on streets accusing the on the streets accusing the prime minister of the jewish state adolf hitler and state of being adolf hitler and a nazi, it's blindingly obvious what you're and i'll go what you're doing. and i'll go further and that the right further and say that the right to is a very important to protest is a very important one this country for one in this country for everybody, right to everybody, just as the right to boycott goods personally if you don't is. but to don't like them is. but to intimidate other people, not to buy goods they to or buy goods that they want to or not to go out on the streets of london is not a right, any of us, or storm into banks, us, or to storm into banks, building retail building societies, retail shops, because that's the kind of thing that has been going on. >> and there seems to be almost no deterrent all. no deterrent at all. >> certainly way >> it certainly seems that way because hundreds of thousands of people the people are going onto the street. the problem street. and i think the problem with is that it with the policing is that it looks bad around world. looks very bad around the world. and people seeing looks very bad around the world. and around people seeing looks very bad around the world. and around the ple seeing looks very bad around the world. and around the world. seeing looks very bad around the world. and around the world. people this around the world. people look for london what's going look to for london what's going on.the look to for london what's going on. the police seem consider on. the police seem to consider

it policing . when it successful policing. when they have one of these marches and avoid kind and they avoid any kind of violence or protest or altercation during altercation taking place during the . but i wouldn't say the protest. but i wouldn't say thatis the protest. but i wouldn't say that is successful policing, because the reason there's no violence or altercation is because jewish people and right thinking people have stayed at home keep of way of home to keep out of the way of the actually the mob. that's actually submission, that's not policing. when protest when there was a counter protest organised by people who'd had enough of this every week, they took a side street and took them down a side street and put police and put layers of police and barriers between the two crowds. that to stop that is their approach to stop people getting into any kind of fight. but again, i think that just that they've given up just shows that they've given up . to really . they need to really just toughen this and make sure toughen up on this and make sure that people feel safe going about everyday about their everyday lives. >> . yeah. horrible >> but netanyahu. yeah. horrible images. netanyahu himself >> but netanyahu. yeah. horrible images. nowinyahu himself >> but netanyahu. yeah. horrible images. nowiny israelmself >> but netanyahu. yeah. horrible images. nowiny israel against protests now in israel against his leadership. and just this feeling , jonathan, that i've got feeling, jonathan, that i've got that we've seen david cameron , that we've seen david cameron, the foreign secretary, lord cameron, shift the british government position on gaza significantly. we've seen what's been happening at the united nations. israel is running out

of friends , isn't it? of friends, isn't it? >> for now, i think israel is still managing to execute the war that it needs to in order to eliminate hamas's presence in gaza and eliminate the threat that's to them, which that's been put to them, which is that they would carry out a 7th of october style attacks again and again. so it's understandable that they are persistent and i think persistent in that. and i think that israel's allies, that actually israel's allies, including the us and the uk, still maintain level of still maintain a level of support for that. but what they're increasingly worried about, see is that about, as i can see it, is that there should be humanitarian aid let for the civilians let into gaza for the civilians there who are used by hamas in order world order to manipulate world opinion and put that pressure on israel to stop its war. so i think that discussion goes on. but of israel are willing but allies of israel are willing to have that discussion both behind the scenes and in public. and so far, i think israel has been managing to keep them on side enough that it's still undertaking the war. >> i think that has >> i think that support has become both the become has become both from the uk us has become a bit uk and the us has become a bit lukewarm. >> well, certainly us, >> well, certainly the us, i would say in that vote at the un security council did betray

israel somewhat. it's always used its veto to try and stop things that will hinder israel's ability to protect itself and its and i think it did its people. and i think it did do that. so there a line in do that. so there is a line in the historically as well. the sand historically as well. but same us did but at the same time, the us did very say it's very quickly say it's non—binding. we just want you to get in there. think get more aid in there. i think there's discussion, there's an ongoing discussion, and debate and that tension and debate between the sides is between the two sides is probably in order to probably healthy. in order to keep the balance between achieving the military goals and also trying to do the best they can to after the civilians can to look after the civilians in a very challenging landscape can to look after the civilians in a well, :hallenging landscape can to look after the civilians in a well, :halithising landscape can to look after the civilians in a well, :halithis problem cape can to look after the civilians in agoing :halithis problem cape can to look after the civilians in agoing tonlithis problem cape can to look after the civilians in agoing to goris problem cape can to look after the civilians in agoing to go away»blem cape quickly. >> jonathan, thank you very much indeed joining us again. indeed forjoining us again. and yeah repeat my yeah, you know, i repeat my thoughts, tough times thoughts, not just tough times for living in forjewish people living in cities london, but i you cities like london, but i you know, genuinely believe know, i do genuinely believe that israel is running out of friends internationally. tough, tough times. in a moment, let's talk channel migrants. let's talk channel migrants. let's talk about the numbers so far this year. and let's talk about where the home secretary is dunng where the home secretary is during all of this and isn't it fascinating that after last week

i published some figures i got from denmark about those in denmark committing crime by nationality? there are now calls for the uk government to do the same

our home secretary, james cleverly, is a great tweeter . cleverly, is a great tweeter. oh, gosh. isn't he? and towards the end of last year, he kept putting out messages on twitter or x, it's now called, or x, as it's now called, saying, we're doing so well. the numbers crossing the english channel are down by 30% and over christmas. oh goodness me , over christmas. oh goodness me, over christmas, nobody has come over the christmas period for the first time since 2018, and i did actually respond to that with a fairly intemperate tweet of my own, if i say so myself, because the wind was blowing between 40 and 50 miles an hour every day. but let's have a look at what

he's up to today. here is the account of james cleverly this morning. and yes, he's going to do 100 push ups every for do 100 push ups every day for the month of april. and he's doing it for cancer charities. now, i thoroughly applaud all of that. however however, what we want to know from you , mr want to know from you, mr cleverly, is why are the numbers that have crossed the english channel so far this year up by 43? yes, that's right up by 43% year on year. and you haven't said a dicky bird rather than push ups. david davis mp suggested you should be focusing on push backs in the channel. and i would say you should simply be doing your job. i'm simply be doing yourjob. i'm joined by alp mehmet , chairman joined by alp mehmet, chairman of migration watch alp. it's way too early to project what this may mean for the next six months or for the rest of the year ,

or for the rest of the year, what it does show is it's all about the weather really isn't it? >> partly, of course, the weather is bound to have something to do with it, but the all the weather does is delay. frankly, it doesn't actually stop people coming. we've had this conversation at about this time of year for the last two years at least. yeah. and each time we've looked ahead , if it time we've looked ahead, if it continues at the present rate. yeah i can see 50 to 60,000 coming in that we know about. add to that those that we don't know about and we're talking serious numbers. that's what's going to happen this year. and the reason they're doing it weather has something to do with it that they come out in the sort of flows that they do, but more importantly , they know. and more importantly, they know. and the traffickers know that when they here, that's it. they get here, that's it. they're here to stay. they will

keep coming. they will keep coming in ever greater numbers. so long as the traffickers find the means to get them here. yeah. >> and the french police, i mean, i've seen pictures today of french police armed now, french police, because they're so conscious that many of the migrant gangs themselves are now armed , we saw a stabbing that armed, we saw a stabbing that took place just just a couple of weeks ago, some pretty dangerous and violent scenes taking place over there. but i've made this point to the viewers and listeners from the start. however hard the french try, it is virtually impossible to police a 100 miles of beaches. >> absolutely, absolutely . and >> absolutely, absolutely. and until the eu added external border starts getting serious about who comes in and how many get in, i'm afraid the numbers are simply going to go up and up and up in the eu, and as that happens through the mediterranean, through the mediterranean, through the mediterranean, not just the mediterranean, not just the mediterranean , overland as well mediterranean, overland as well from all that will from turkey, all that will happenis from turkey, all that will happen is that more and more will end up in the northeast

coast . northwest coast of france. >> yeah, yeah. now the other interesting, debate over the weekend , there were some tables weekend, there were some tables put out by the danish government last week that showed since 2010 on violent crime, crimes by nationality and unbelievably, danes. nationality and unbelievably, danes . baum nationality and unbelievably, danes. baum was 43rd in the category of those that had committed crime by nationality. robert jenrick have seen this has decided to follow to demand that the british government does actually tell us the extent of migrant crime, the extent of particularly asylum seekers, crime . we've tried as a program , crime. we've tried as a program, as a channel to talk to the government , to talk to the home government, to talk to the home office, to ask for these figures. and we're being told that under foi, it's too expensive to process that data. >> nigel, i used to be the

foreign office's parliamentary clerk . it's a wheeze. it's a clerk. it's a wheeze. it's a ruse. frankly of course they can do it. they've got the information, they've got the data. there's absolutely no reason why we shouldn't know. and guess what? some 30 years ago, the tory government then in i think it was 30 years ago, they actually published the number of traffic offences by diplomats . really that so it's diplomats. really that so it's nothing new. it's nothing impossible. the data are collected and as they're collected, they could just as easily put them into. because we deserve to know the truth. >> we deserve to know the truth. there is no doubt in my mind that the increase in a variety of types of crime in london, and i can't speak so much for the other cities around the country. it obvious to me that these it is obvious to me that these are foreign gangs coming in masterminding much of this crime. >> yeah, of course, because they can. richard pickings . it's

can. richard pickings. it's easy. it's easy money. exactly. yeah. people will come in here. they've been rejected elsewhere . they've been rejected elsewhere. they've been rejected elsewhere. they've tried and failed to get in in in france, in germany they will come here because they know they come here. they can stay. and even if they commit crimes , and even if they commit crimes, the fact is that they're never going to be removed . as often as going to be removed. as often as not, we end up looking after them. housing them. yeah. what are we going to do with all those that are going to come in this year? 50, 60,000? they are going to be housed, clothed, kept warm, give them pocket money. >> it should be a big phones , >> it should be a big phones, iphones, new iphones. >> don't forget that. yeah. >> don't forget that. yeah. >> dental care . don't forget >> dental care. don't forget that. we could go on. we could go because he's a big open goal for the labour party, isn't it? the government really in trouble with of own voters on with many of its own voters on this labour pretty quiet this issue? labour pretty quiet on this. >> well, that's my worry, actually, because if the polls are to be believed, the next

government is going to be a labour government. and frankly , labour government. and frankly, with regard to legal and illegal, and we mustn't forget legal migration, which is massive, enormous. yeah the labour party, with regard to illegals , all it's going to mean illegals, all it's going to mean is that we're going to have more coming here rather than fewer people coming in. and i'm afraid we're also going to have huge increases in the number of people coming here legally, not forgetting that in 2022 it was 745,000. >> i know out as ever. thank you. now, one of the great things about debating this is i always get the home office statement. it's always so wonderful . here goes. home wonderful. here goes. home office spokesperson has said today , we remain committed to today, we remain committed to building on the successes that saw arrivals drop by more than a third last year, including tougher legislation and agreement international agreement with international partners save lives agreement with international part stop save lives agreement with international part stop the save lives agreement with international part stop the boats. save lives agreement with international part stop the boats. so re lives agreement with international part stop the boats. so there s agreement with international part stop the boats. so there you and stop the boats. so there you are now. scottish lunacy . are now. more scottish lunacy. yes, the what the farage moment

is. if you've ever been to edinburgh, then every day of the week apart of course, from, you know, christmas days and sundays and things like that. the gun fires from the castle at 1:00 and it booms across the city and is heard right out at sea. and it's a tradition that goes back to 1861. and it was a wonderful way of time keeping, especially for the royal navy. the merchant fleets and others that were coming in. and a great reminder , coming in. and a great reminder, of course, to those in the city that actually it really was time for lunch. well, you can imagine that these days of elf and that in these days of elf and safety, that the noise is simply too loud. it'sjust safety, that the noise is simply too loud. it's just too much . too loud. it's just too much. and there are people that have now complained about the noise of the gun, insisting that this great tradition going back to 1861 stops. but we've been saved. yes, grant shapps the defence secretary has saved the

institution because we're now going to have quieter ammunition . is that a surrender to the woke crowd? well you know what? any victory, any maintaining of a great tradition is a good thing. so let's give grant shapps seven and a half out of ten for doing that. why not now? market traders, we all know them as the cheeky chap is, but some people are good at it. some people are good at it. some people clearly are not very good at it, but they're about to have at it, but they're about to have a big national competition. we're going to find out, find out in a moment what makes a good market trader and how are they managing in an age when the banks don't want to take anybody's cash?

now we're going to talk market traders. oh, yes. we are. and

just ahead of the easter break, east yorkshire held its first ever young traders market in beverley part of a national beverley as part of a national market traders federation scheme to encourage the under 30s to get started in markets and trade in their local towns. our reporter anna reilly was out and aboutin reporter anna reilly was out and about in beverley, east yorkshire, for the event . best yorkshire, for the event. best bananas picks you don't . bananas picks you don't. >> markets are the heartbeat of many british towns. >> oh you fresh veg . >> oh you fresh veg. >> oh you fresh veg. >> chill puddings for £3. strawberry seedless grapes and apple. >> but they must attract young people if they are to survive. that's why the national market traders federation are supporting the next generation of market stallholders through their young trader of the year competition, when the average age of market traders is about 55, which is an industry we need more young people and they're coming in. >> this is the 12th year we're doing this campaign. it is working, but we've got to keep doing this. we've got to keep fresh coming young

doing this. we've got to keep fresh bringoming young doing this. we've got to keep fresh bring young young doing this. we've got to keep fresh bring young shoppers and traders bring young shoppers and it's just great for the industry all little all around. for little investment can own investment can be their own boss. something proud of boss. have something to proud of and they can expand. there's loads out there loads of businesses out there that started off as market trading, likes trading, even the likes of tesco's. it's little steps. tesco's. so it's little steps. we start at the bottom, work your way up and you know you could be the next alan sugar. >> the first young traders market been held in east market has been held in east yorkshire for yorkshire to boost business for entrepreneurs aged between 16 yorkshire to boost business for entr�*30.�*neurs aged between 16 yorkshire to boost business for entr30. these aged between 16 yorkshire to boost business for entr30. these stallholdersn 16 yorkshire to boost business for entr30. these stallholders in6 and 30. these stallholders in beverley appreciate the platform that the event has given them. >> can market seem a little bit , >> can market seem a little bit, old fashioned, yes, but now we've got younger people coming down. we can really develop them and make the high street that little bit more interesting for the youth. >> it's a lot better if you have to grind out the hours, work in markets like these in the rain and the wind and the snow and i think it gives you more of a love for it. >> i think that's what's really good about young traders and doing markets. it's very supportive. mean supportive. it's not i mean it is but people is a competition, but people don't that.

don't really feel like that. i think nice to each think it's nice to boost each other. market are run by >> most market places are run by councils who have been their pubuc councils who have been their public custodians since victorian times, but obviously important, particularly for rural areas, to create employment opportunities and obviously self—employment and starting business is starting your own business is a great way to do that. >> and so any way that we can help as a council through our economic development and business to business support services to encourage do encourage younger people to do that business that and to start their business here east riding here in the east riding is obviously we'd encourage. >> without customers , >> and without the customers, traders, young just traders, young or old just wouldn't . wouldn't exist. >> so i'm afraid i'd like to buy my plants from independent people i want to see alive. i want to see people come to beverley and okay, online has its if we keep doing its place. but if we keep doing online, we shan't have any independent traders. we shan't have and that will be such have this and that will be such a sad thing. >> the winner of national >> the winner of the national young competition young traders market competition will . will be announced in august. anna riley gb news. >> well, i'm joined down the line by joe harrison , chief line by joe harrison, chief executive of the national market traders federation . thank you

traders federation. thank you for joining me on the programme, forjoining me on the programme, joe. i thought with online purchases and massive dominance , purchases and massive dominance, super superstore style supermarkets, i thought you guys were a dying breed. >> not by any stretch of the imagination, nigel. we are an up, an up and coming breed now. markets have been around from another millennium, so , the another millennium, so, the reason they have been is because they adapt to the times they're working in. we know that by running this young trader market campaign, we can introduce people that probably would never have thought of using markets as a way in to entrepreneurism. are actually doing so. i mean, we're now in our 12th year and the whole campaign of establishing local young trader markets wherever we can possibly can and, and obviously , we've built and, and obviously, we've built in the competition element of letting them go forward to regional finals and national final . so

regional finals and national final. so it's a bit of fun as well as as actually a lot more serious about building new businesses for tomorrow. >> okay. and you know, young man, young woman comes into the market trading game . what's the market trading game. what's the key element. what's that quality. they need to really be good at it. >> well they need to have the hunger and the drive to push themselves forward and promote their businesses. some of these young people have already established themselves as online businesses, but they found that by coming into the market, being face to face with the customer, they're improving their business greatly because the best feedback is from your customer and they can do that in a physical way, face to face, and actually improve their business. and even we encourage them to have that online presence and get their their stock working 24 over seven. but at the same time , there's no better way of improving your business as being face to face, right? >> it's not one or the other, it's both combined together.

>> i get that point to be in this day and age. yeah >> no, i get that point. makes sense now. one of my campaigns, as well been about as you well know, has been about the banks and indeed we as a channel put a petition into 11 downing street with 300,000 signatures saying don't kill cash. a lot of business done in markets is with cash. must be very, very difficult in market towns up and down this country towns up and down this country to find any banks with branches . to find any banks with branches. and if you do find one that want to take your money, well, it is a great problem, nigel, to be honest , especially with the all honest, especially with the all the, the demographic shopping on markets who are used to using cash. >> but we have improved the systems by having mobile terminals being able to take the cards , we as an organisation cards, we as an organisation work with a, with a group of companies making sure that they get the, the trader gets the best rate. and so they're really getting really competitive rates on using cards and taking cards on using cards and taking cards on the store. so it's a question

of embracing the future and their technology . but by no their technology. but by no means. let's never cut the cash out of the society. >> no. absolutely. joe harrison, thank you for joining >> no. absolutely. joe harrison, thank you forjoining me. and thank you for joining me. and good good luck with all you do. i really do mean that. now, jacob rees—mogg is not back, but you'll never guess who is standing in forjacob. it is. and welcome and good evening. good evening. nigel, did you have a good restful easter? >> i had an excellent easter. thank you. yes. >> good. well, we need to talk about more next year about easter more next year because we should be talking about easter, in my program. in about easter, in my program. in a minute. yeah. i'm looking particularly at churches in particularly at the churches in jerusalem, at this difficult time and the holy land in time and in the holy land in general, and how they're managing in the current conflict. >> yeah. pretty difficult. well, ihave >> yeah. pretty difficult. well, i have to say, i thought the airbrushing of easter out of everything in london was was everything in london was it was was just extraordinary. >> well, it's giving into the woke culture. >> well, it's giving into the onit'sulture. >> well, it's giving into the onit's giving in. we're not >> it's giving in. we're not giving and we're giving giving in and we're not giving in. in. you're in. i'm not giving in. you're not giving know that. well, not giving in i know that. well,

that's from me i that's enough from me today. i will be back you again will be back with you again tomorrow. weather surprised tomorrow. the weather surprised me over the weekend, so i wonder what greg dewhurst has got for us in the days coming up. >> looks like things are heating up boxt boiler is sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there! welcome to your latest gb news weather. over the next 24 hours or so, we'll see the heavy showers fade away. it will often remain quite cloudy, but there will be some brighter spells into tuesday. low pressure dominating the weather pattern at the moment, but a slack area of low pressure. so we've had some slow moving heavy showers. fading showers. these slowly fading away through this evening time. we have frontal system as we do have a frontal system as well across parts of scotland, the far north of england, giving some spells rain into the some spells of rain into the early could see some early hours. we could see some clear spells through this central and central swathe of the uk, and here temperatures dipping into low single figures and some further showers running across

southern coastal counties of england too. so it's a mixed picture for tuesday. some bright sunny spells across this central part of the uk, wales into the midlands, for example, this frontal system across eastern parts of scotland continues to give outbreaks of rain through the day into the afternoon. we'll see some showers bubble up for many areas but there'll be plenty of sunny spells, some rain in the southwest later, temperatures in the sunshine reaching around 15 or 16 celsius. still cold under the cloud and rain for scotland into wednesday , the next area of low wednesday, the next area of low pressure moves in, pushing rain north and eastwards across the country. some of this could be heavy at times behind it, some showers falling in but also some brighter skies. and towards the end of the week it turns wetter and windier, but with winds from the south, temperatures start to rise . rise. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on .

gb news. >> hello and welcome to the world of whitcomb . and as you world of whitcomb. and as you may have guessed, i'm not sir jacob rees—mogg . that's because jacob rees—mogg. that's because gb news has fired him and replaced him with me, april fools. but the following stories are not april fools, though in some cases i wish they were. so on state of the nation tonight , on state of the nation tonight, the scottish government has hammered the final nail in the coffin for free expression as the new hate crime act comes into effect today, with an snp minister claiming that jk rowling could face investigation or maybe even prosecution for her gender critical positions . her gender critical positions. but for those of you concerned about this new law, worry not.

for police scotland have issued a bizarre explainer video involving an animated hate monster. today, marks the coming into effect of the government's long overdue ban on puberty blockers for children, with some 5000 children on the waiting list for gender identity treatment. and do swastikas need to be taken in context? that's what a metropolitan policeman told a woman at this weekend's palestine march. plus, i'll be speaking to an evangelical priest live from jerusalem about what it's like celebrating easter in the holy land and especially during these times of war. so state of the nation starts now.

i'll also be joined by an