about their loss. is this the tipping point in the bombardment of gaza? should the sales of arms to israel now now be stopped and rising emotionally in today's daily mail, lord blunkett has urged sir keir starmer to launch a biometric digital id system if he becomes prime minister to tackle the small boats crisis . is it just small boats crisis. is it just an excuse to monitor all of us innocent people, or could it be a genuine deterrent to illegal migrants ? and in the last year migrants? and in the last year alone, while more hard working people than ever struggled to make ends meet, planet earth has seen creation of another 141

seen the creation of another 141 billionaires. i'll tell you what industries they work in, and i'm going to ask how we keep ambition alive. whilst perhaps reining in the super rich and cook prue leith says that the junk food industry is winning the obesity war in britain. she's accused the government of being too weak to end the obesity obesity crisis. is she right ? all of that and a lot right? all of that and a lot more in the next hour. first, though, the very latest news headunes though, the very latest news headlines with sofia. >> bev, thank you. from the gb newsroom at 6:00. your top story this hour . a new poll suggests this hour. a new poll suggests labour could sweep to victory with more than 400 seats at the next election, leaving the tories with just 155. yougov is predicting a landslide for sir keir starmer, with the conservatives projected to win even less seats than a previous

poll conducted in january . and poll conducted in january. and another change of leader may be off the cards, with other mps including penny mordaunt, iain duncan smith and jacob rees—mogg all trailing their labour challengers . and the reform uk challengers. and the reform uk party has removed two parliamentary candidates for making statements that they say fell beneath their standards. jonathan kay and mick greeno will no longer contest seats after campaign group hope not hate accused them of sharing racist views on social media. shadow foreign secretary david lammy says the government should suspend arms sales to israel. if it's clear that international law breached. it's law has been breached. it's after a british aid workers john chapman, james henderson and james kirby, were killed when their convoy was hit by an israeli air strike while they were delivering vital food aid . were delivering vital food aid. they were part of a group of seven aid workers from the world central kitchen organisation. mr lammy says britain cannot supply arms to israel if it's proven to have broken international law.

>> i have now been calling for 12 days for david cameron to pubush 12 days for david cameron to publish the legal advice, so that we are clear on whether israel has contravened international humanitarian law and therefore arms sales should be suspended . be suspended. >> all questions are being asked about how a 43 year old man was able to commit two sex attacks years apart, despite receiving a jail sentence. farid issa tariq will spend 18 years in prison for raping a woman in swindon after he tricked her into accepting a ride in a fake taxi. he was previously jailed in 2012 for a near identical crime . 1 in for a near identical crime. 1 in 20 people who tried to book gp appointments over the telephone are told to call back another day. that's according to a major new survey. it found that a third of people in england who have tried to book an appointment in the last month say they've struggled to speak to more than 1 in 10

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to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts now it's back to . bev. it's back to. bev. >> very good evening. it is six minutes after six. this is dewbs & co with me bev turner tonight while michelle is on her easter holidays. joining me until 7:00. my holidays. joining me until 7:00. my panel former adviser to jeremy corbyn, james schneider and political commentator joseph david. get in touch with david. you can get in touch with us this evening gb views at gb news. com or on twitter at gb news. com or on twitter at gb news. so israeli defence forces chief hsi halevi has issued an apology after israeli forces killed seven aid workers, including three british veterans , on monday. the aid workers were providing security for the world central kitchen charity in gaza. israel have said that the strikes were unintended. prime minister rishi sunak came out and said that the deaths appalled him, describing the

situation in gaza as intolerable and the families of the three british aid workers who lost their lives have now issued heartbreaking statements about it. their devastation at events today is this the tipping point in the bombardment of gaza? now should the sales of arms to israel be stopped ? james, let me israel be stopped? james, let me come to you first, it feels like today there is a change in the air in terms of israeli allies, but probably just as importantly , the mood of the wider population . population. >> so i think if you looked at the mood of the wider population in its months and months and months, that the public, if you look at polls, have been horrified by the, ongoing war crimes that are being committed by the state of israel against the palestinian people , these the palestinian people, these aid workers who were killed are added to already around 200 aid workers who are being killed in israeli bombings . so far in the

israeli bombings. so far in the conflict. that's over 100 journalists who have also been killed. there have been assaults on pretty much all of the medical infrastructure. of course, we know tens of thousands of people have died. so that's where the public has already been. the politicians and the media class in this country have been way behind them . but now, at last, perhaps them. but now, at last, perhaps they're catching up because it's for large parts of the political class. it's one thing for british bombs and british bullets and british diplomatic cover to be complicit in one of the great crimes of our age. but when they are involved in killing our own citizens, it's absolutely clear that arms sales to israel must be stopped because we can't be selling arms that are being used in gross abuses of human rights. and that is what we have been seeing for six months. and it's been clear that that is what has been happening for six months. >> david, those images from october the 7th were almost like

nothing we've ever seen before. but we are six months later now . but we are six months later now. how does it to you feel that the response is disproportionate , response is disproportionate, that war is almost never proportionate. >> war almost always falls hardest on the most vulnerable . hardest on the most vulnerable. and quite frankly, the incredulity of people who have just realised this surprises me. war is terrible. war needs to be avoided. it is for that reason that, to a large extent, organisations like hamas should not be geared up and presented as legitimate peace partners, when in actual fact they were preparing for this attack. they were preparing for this brutality. now i have to say that as human beings , we are that as human beings, we are rational. we are empathic. when we see the horrific suffering thatis we see the horrific suffering that is going on, it is it is natural for us to, to be a, you know, disgusted by, by what we see. and it can even feel cathartic to use the most

extreme language, the most hyperbolic language, to describe what is going on. it's unhelpful . james, the war is not against the palestinian people. it's against hamas, tell that to the tens of thousands of palestinians have been killed. it is a horrific, predictable , it is a horrific, predictable, horrific, brutal war who have had their infrastructure targeted by ai generated targeting power targets, which are to target infrastructure that's civilians use, the shutting off of food, civilians fuel, medicine and water on the 8th of october was guarantee need to create the famine like conditions which we are seeing now. that is not famine like conditions for hamas. that is famine like conditions for 2.3 million people. >> go on david. >> go on david. >> well, surely this yes, it highlights the fact that hamas are using civilian infrastructure. you know it and i know it. the palestinian people are suffering horrifically and if i could flick a switch and this war

would end with peace, i would do it in a second. but the israelis are trying to recover their hostages, who are being raped, who are being brutalised in a manner that you and i probably thank god, will have to thank god, will never have to imagine, right when were imagine, even right when were hostages were released. >> when there was >> was that when there was a temporary ceasefire, or was it when they were continuing the bombings, the devastation, the destruction, of destruction, the occupation of the hospital, the the largest hospital, the destruction of medical facilities, bombing of facilities, the bombing of journalists, destruction journalists, the destruction of aid convoys. when was that? was it during the destruction bit or was it during the temporary ceasefire bit? >> i don't want to see armed conflict. i think you're naive if you think that the fact israel went in didn't make an impact, didn't cause those hostage negotiations to take place, didn't strengthen anyone's hand in that, or at least give them some bargaining power? >> and why are the families of the hostages themselves angry at the hostages themselves angry at the into the invasion? why in the into the invasion? why in the first place? did was there a protest at netanyahu's office

calling for there to not be the invasion in the first place? why are their family members at protests saying that what they want to see is negotiation to bnng want to see is negotiation to bring their loved ones home? because of course, that is what should happen. the taking of civilians is a is a crime to be a hostage or to be the family of a hostage or to be the family of a hostage or to be the family of a hostage is a situation none of us ever be in. us should ever be in. >> course, they're going to >> of course, they're going to think scenario where think of any scenario where their loved one might come back unharmed. so of course they're going things. but going to say those things. but i would ask you, what would you like israel to do to pull out, allow hamas to rearm and to come back do another october 7th back and do another october 7th again and again, they've again and again, as they've said, i would, of course, like to see pull out entirely, to see israel pull out entirely, and i would like hamas to leave hamas rearm. just hold on hamas to rearm. just hold on a second. >> i mean, let's see who's been doing the last year, you know, when you say you can't negotiate with one side, i mean, you have to negotiate with the people who are there. the palestinian people have to way, way have to negotiate which is negotiate with a state which is carried out horrific. and, you

know, terrorist and illegal acts against since against them, not just since october the 7th, but for decades. so, yes , the state of decades. so, yes, the state of israel should cease the bombardment because it isn't it isn't doing anything. this is not creating long term stability for israel either. >> you want israel to pull out and leave hamas to. i want one second. you want the uk to stop funding israel? do you believe israel should exist at all? i think that i don't think that an apartheid state, i don't think a state which again, occupies another state, it's not a slur, it's an objective. >> no, it's an objective legal term. so you don't law. hold on. yes or no? >> yes or no ? >> yes or no? >> should israel exist? let let let me. >> should israel exist? >> should israel exist? >> let me, let me finish. the question is, in what form does a state have a right occupy state have a right to occupy others? if you're saying that's israel, then that involves occupying others and operating an apartheid system. no one has an apartheid system. no one has a right to that now, are you? wait, wait, wait. now, are you

saying because this is it's saying because this is how it's usually presented, it's usually presented. saying that presented. if you're saying that israel right to israel doesn't have a right to do whatever it wants, do you think that jews don't have a right i think right to live there? i think that jewish people have an absolute to live in absolute right to live there. in the same that i think that the same way that i think that palestinians have an absolute right, both people right, i don't i both people have very strong links to have have very strong links to their and my opinion, it their land and in my opinion, it should free, fair, two should be a free, fair, two state solution, contiguous. >> acceptable you? >> sure. but it's up to you? >> sure. but it's not up to me. is that even of course. >> but my point is i'm glad we got there. >> is that even possible >> but is that even possible now, yosef? is that given now, yosef? like, is that given the bloodshed of the last six months, the next generation of division which has been created possible, it's the only option that we have. >> and there's been there's been equally brutal conflicts, for example, between the greeks and the turks. they've managed to make peace. peace is possible . make peace. peace is possible. we can live together. in actual fact, the israelis and palestinians are far more similar than they are. >> do you have did we either of you?i >> do you have did we either of you? i want time scale off you you? i want a time scale off you best and worst scenario,

best and worst case scenario, best and worst case scenario, best case scenario that this conflict is brought to an end and a two state solution and a and a two state solution is found . is found. >> i am i'm for doing the right thing because it's the right thing because it's the right thing do. it's very possible thing to do. it's very possible that there'd be a two state solution without peace. at first. the thing to do first. but the right thing to do is right thing to within, is the right thing to within, what, a year? >> within two years could happen. >> ten years, it could happen very quickly there were very quickly if there were legitimate partners, if very quickly if there were legiifnate partners, if very quickly if there were legiif the partners, if very quickly if there were legiif the palestinian ners, if the if the palestinian leadership genuinely ready leadership were genuinely ready for israeli for peace and the israeli leadership maybe slightly leadership had, maybe a slightly different you do different leader, who do you do you any of the current you view any of the current cabinet as being , in your view, cabinet as being, in your view, legitimate partners for peace in the strict terms that you've put forward? there are absolutely. because i'm sure you know, do you think israel has coalition governments ? there's many governments? there's many different factions there. so absolutely, there would be people in that government who would be part of a government for peace. i genuinely believe that. >> what about you, james? in terms of time scale here, terms of a time scale here, what's the what's the best case scenario to this, this scenario to stop this, this death toll of 33,000

palestinians dead at the moment, 75,000 wounded. >> so in order to stop the destruction, we need to, as much as possible, throw sand in the wheels of the war machine. which is why stopping bombs stop. stop selling bombs and stop providing diplomatic pleasewait stop providing diplomatic cover for these extremely grave crimes. that's the first step. and there are lots of things that people can do at home, and there are lots of things that people are already doing. it's not just about protesting. it's not just about protesting. it's not just about political pressure. about protesting. it's not just about pactions pressure. about protesting. it's not just about pactions that;ure. are there's actions that people are taking they work in taking within. if they work in companies complicit in companies that are complicit in what going there's what is going on, and there's a wide range of them engaging in blockades action blockades and direct action against arms shipments and against arms shipments and against fuel that is used to fuel this war. so those are the immediate things. then in the then in the larger sense, israel |, then in the larger sense, israel i, i believe, has had two objectives which run contradictory . one is to have as

contradictory. one is to have as much of the land as possible, and the other is normalisation. and for a while these two things were running together, and that was the success, the supposed success of the netanyahu policy. and that has now been completely finished. no israel finished. there is no israel will not be a normal state while it is occupying another people. and while there is no there is there are no rights. there is no, liberation for the palestinian people who for decades have been dispossessed by the state of israel and by its backers. >> yosef, response to that? >> yosef, response to that? >> you mentioned stopping the wheels of war. what you're suggesting is that israel, which is a country surrounded by foes who want to destroy it, won't have the ammunition or the support to defend itself. so again, i'd ask you which, which which state israel to exist. >> which state is in the region? is nuclear armed, has the capacity to carry out extremely technically impressive precision

strikes in a city in the north of syria. and this is the this is my point about about targeting. if you have the it's not like israel doesn't have the capacity to be extremely targeted. if you look at that assassination, it is extraordinarily. >> do you think they did it on purpose? >> why would they the aid workers, do you think why would they kill those aid workers? >> i don't know why they killed those particular aid workers. i do know killed 200 of do know they've killed 200 of them. don't know what them. i do i don't know what urban warfare. i don't know if, of course, some of the journalists targeted. of journalists were targeted. of those over 100 who have been killed, i don't of course, i don't know about every single case, i think really what you're seeing here is the value of life ascribed to palestinians by the israeli state is so low that their actions will obviously lead to famine , will obviously lead to famine, will obviously lead to famine, will obviously lead to famine, will obviously lead to mass slaughter, will obviously will obviously lead to the physical and mental scarring of an entire generation of children. half the population basically are children that the

idf just to be clear, the at all, the idf chief was really clear and he said the strike was not carried out with the intention of harming uk aid workers. >> it was a mistake that followed a misidentification at night during complex misidentification. >> misidentification if you don't, if you don't care if you don't, if you don't care if you don't care, then you do it. that's what's happened again. >> and again and again and again and then go on, hang on. >> you are purposefully taking the route to the least empathic route to israel on any the least important, least empathic route, israel is in an incredibly difficult position , right? difficult position, right? >> because it's carrying out a genocide. hang on, hang on, hang on. people you don't want me to interrupt? >> allow me. go on. yes, well, you've not taken into account the density of the population, the density of the population, the size of land, the fact the size of the land, the fact that hamas are using guerilla terrorist tactics. you're ignonng terrorist tactics. you're ignoring that, the ignoring all of that, right? the fact that are trying to fact that israel are trying to get their hostages back. they are. they're known are. and they're known for trying limit civilian casualties. >> not believe that they >> i do not believe that they are remotely limiting civilian casualties no, no, casualties because no, no, no, i do believe that. and you

do not believe that. and you don't believe that trying. no, no, no, i do not believe so. so let's take even if we accept which not true. but even if which is not true. but even if we accept that there are, there's a terrorist command centre the, in the al—shifa centre in the, in the al—shifa hospital, there wasn't, hospital, which there wasn't, but assume there was. if but let's assume there was. if i were a military commander. and the option is some terrorists have gone in there and you can destroy it and you can kill dozens or hundreds of health workers, of patients . you know workers, of patients. you know what? i wouldn't order the destruction of that hospital. >> you know what? >> you know what? >> i have a higher value for human life . human life. >> let's carry this on after the break. we do have to take a very quick break, so don't go anywhere. we're going to carry this .

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pick up where we left off. left off? after the break. it's been a long day for me. do britain's newsroom at 930 every morning. if you're not used to see me at this time of the day, we've got james schneider with us this evening and yosef david as well. i to just consider this i want to just consider this event of this death of these three british aid workers, guys, because they a vehicle. because they were in a vehicle. they vehicles, because they were in a vehicle. they they vehicles, because they were in a vehicle. they they had vehicles, because they were in a vehicle. they they had gps cles, because they were in a vehicle. they they had gps trackers. actually. they had gps trackers. they were on route that was they were on a route that was okayed by the idf. they were hit from above. there were symbols on top the car denoting on the top of the car denoting the charity that they worked for . the first car was hit, the passengers got out . they climbed passengers got out. they climbed into the second car that was then hit a third car in the convoy approached to pick up the occupants and that was then hit . occupants and that was then hit. when you actually see the chain of events, joseph, it's very difficult not to conclude that this was more than just a mistake. >> well, i think it was obviously a deliberate targeting, but i think they obviously thought it was somebody else. the fact that

this car , from the world central this car, from the world central kitchen was on an agreed road with the idf, it shows that there is this liaison between between the idf and aid workers , between the idf and aid workers, and i heard an israeli spokesman describe the world central kitchen as one of the good guys. so the idea that israel would purposely target it is for the birds. it was clearly a terrible mistake. there needs to be an investigation. and the way that you described it, the way that it took place is horrific , just it took place is horrific, just to say in an urban environment where there is this kind of brutal war taking place , brutal war taking place, unfortunately, these heroes, the aid workers , are in a very aid workers, are in a very perilous position. they are obviously the internet being what the internet is. >> there is already speculation that as these guys were ex—special boat boat services and also ex—sas that maybe they were deliberately targeted for that reason. james, we have no evidence of that. that's pure

speculation. >> i've got no idea. and i can understand why aid agencies have of this type of high level security when 200 aid workers have been killed in the last six months. so, look, we don't know precisely the, what happened for these killings in the same way we don't know precisely what happenedin we don't know precisely what happened in all of these other killings , but we can see a clear killings, but we can see a clear pattern when the medical staff at the al—shifa hospital talk about their colleagues being executed and we're told by the state of israel that not a single civilian was harmed, and that this was just an operation that this was just an operation that took out terrorists when you have medical staff saying that when they try to get home, they have to they take off their scrubs because they think they're more likely to be targeted , as identifiable as targeted, as identifiable as medical staff. you hear these stories again and again in among this tens of thousands of people

who have been killed in a deliberate policy of destruction, you have to remember it was on the 8th of october that prime minister benjamin netanyahu said that we will raise gaza to rubble, and thatis will raise gaza to rubble, and that is precisely what they have done. every single element in the broader sense of these crimes that we have seen, which are horrific , have been are horrific, have been announced, they have been signalled. we don't need special investigations to find out why is there a famine ? there's a is there a famine? there's a famine because they shot up all the food and closed the borders, because it is a it is an area thatis because it is a it is an area that is occupied. >> do you think, yosef, if netanyahu go and to step netanyahu was to go and to step down, which he's not likely to do, there could be more chance of a peaceful solution here. >> at the moment, there's this existential war going on for israel, and until it finishes, i don't think anyone's going anywhere. but israel is a genuine democracy , and they will genuine democracy, and they will have elections and they will be able to bring in whoever they want, i would say that when

we're dealing with such a sensitive issue to to, base our opinion on stories might be slightly irresponsible. i think we should we should look for investigations, see what comes out of the investigation, base our opinions on that. i know, james, you've got long held views on this and you've supported the palestinian people for long time. try be to for a long time. i try to be to be balanced and look objectively i >>i -- >> i know lam >> i know that, yes, so do i. >>— >> i know that, yes, so do i. >> it's difficult. >> it's difficult. >> no. >> no. >> so do i. but i'll wait to hear what comes out from from the investigations. i find it hard to believe that the idf would execute doctors, i think that the majority of the deaths that the majority of the deaths that have taken place have been as a result of unintended fire in a very, very densely populated area, another thing to say is that these are organisations that are run by hamas, which is not a trustworthy organisation. >> so which organisations are the ones that are run by hamas? >> well, they're at the behest of hamas. all these doctors, all

of hamas. all these doctors, all of these doctors need to be careful what they say . hamas is careful what they say. hamas is a totalitarian regime. and you can if said the wrong can bet if they said the wrong thing, they'd about it. thing, they'd hear about it. >> , i think the idea that >> i mean, i think the idea that doctors who are trying to save lives when there is almost no medical equipment, when almost half of those who have been killed are children, when they are carrying out amputations without anaesthetic, when they've had to invent an entire new category of wounded child. no surviving family that what they are doing is some powerful propaganda . not what i said. propaganda. not what i said. >> that's not what i said. i said they have to be careful for their lives now. they have to be careful for their lives. >> all you have to do is, is listen to what the israeli officials have said that they want to do, and then look at the outcome. you have to be a outcome. you don't have to be a genius to see that. if some if they say there's not going to be any food and then there's a

famine, you can see what happened. famine, you can see what happened . if they if they are, happened. if they if they are, if they take out the entirety of the medical system in the gaza strip, you can see what's happening that the doctors who work within it, they're not they're not doing that. they're not giving evidence about what has happened to them and the people that whose lives they're trying to save because of some threat of some imagined totalitarianism. i mean, it's imagined totalitarianism. >> so hamas is not a totalitarian organisation. they don't push people off buildings, tie them to motorbikes and drive down the road. hamas are fluffy, teddy bears, right? >> no, of course not. but that's i mean, firstly, that's not what the totalitarian the definition of totalitarian is for , for, for starters. is for, for, for, for starters. so, so that's no but no, i understand what i'm saying. at no point have i said that that hamas are fluffy teddy bears or that they are nice people or anything like that. >> you keep mentioning the rhetoric of israeli politicians. you haven't once. you haven't said one thing about what hamas have is as they don't

have said is as if they don't exist to you. and this is i'm sorry, but it's a trademark of the left to infantilize the palestinians that palestinians pretend that nothing that hamas does is has any or can do any harm. any value or can do any harm. >> i mean, of course, things that hamas can do, the rockets, of course hamas can do things that have harm them. they killed civilians in the negev kibbutzim that the nova film festival, and they took civilian as well as military hostages. those are crimes i am it's unbelievably clear of course, that that is happening. >> nice to hear you say it honestly, because since you've come in here, this is the first time you've mentioned. >> do you know why? because that happened on the 7th of october. and do you know what has been happening every single day since? there's been the equivalent october. equivalent of a 7th of october. there been done to the there has been done to the people gaza and there is people of gaza and there is a very big difference, which is we are british citizens sitting here london, our here in london, and our government does arm hamas. government does not arm hamas. we don't give hamas, technology that can help it kill israelis,

and we don't provide it with diplomatic cover. we are not complicit in hamas's crimes, but we are complicit in the crimes of the state of israel against the palestinians on that. and so thatis the palestinians on that. and so that is why, of course, that is what i'm going to talk about day after day after day, because those are the crimes that are happening is the role happening and that is the role that can play. that we can play. >> so you're you're >> so. so you're you're labelling of actions as crimes is one thing. but what i will say is on this topic of arming israel, i agree with the labour leadership. israel is an ally of the kingdom israel the united kingdom and israel will suffer obvious will will suffer the obvious effects if they don't have the arms and the resources to defend themselves in a very hostile area. you're not taking any of this into account. you're simply ignonng this into account. you're simply ignoring what's happened, as if it's in a vacuum. >> israel could have . of course, >> israel could have. of course, israel had the not just the right duty to defend its citizens in the negev kibbutzim and at the nova music festival, and at the nova music festival, and has a duty to secure life

for the people who it occupies, including gaza. of course, it is absolutely failing in those duties. but why was southern command and, under—equipped and under—resourced ? because they under—resourced? because they have sent troops to the west bank the better to carry out the ethnic cleansing of the palestinians. there >> that has been the policy, again, with with the slur ethnic cleansing. >> it's not a slur. it's an objective thing. ethnic cleansing is when you remove one people from a land and you put another people in. >> why is the population gone 7 up. up? >> that's what ethnic cleansing is. you're the you know, because you an intelligent. you are an intelligent. >> by the way, not, you >> just by the way, i'm not, you know, you're an know, because you're an intelligent that that the intelligent man that that the west the west the west bank, the west bank, the west bank, the west bank, the west has been has been broken. >> you said contiguous two state. it was very good to hear you say that very, very good. you to hear you say that you had to hear you say that word, policy of word, but that the policy of israel deliberately for israel has deliberately now for decades been break up the decades, been to break up the west through a policy west bank through a policy of ethnic cleansing because it's

removing land from the palestinians replacing them palestinians and replacing them with settlers. >> we could talk about this all night , guys, >> we could talk about this all night, guys, i don't want to do that one. i'm so sorry. yes. if we don't have time, but i just want to bring in a couple of viewers. mike has said i'm saddened by the deaths of aid workers, but i do not think arms sales israel should be sales to israel should be stopped. israel is a country threatened surrounding threatened by surrounding countries extinction. countries with extinction. they've every right to they've got every right to defend nicolas defend themselves and nicolas has how has said, well, said james, how refreshing someone refreshing to hear someone speaking the truth in the ghastly in palestine. ghastly goings on in palestine. keep your emails coming still tonight, has tonight, lord blunkett has called starmer to called for sir keir starmer to bnng called for sir keir starmer to bring not bring back bring back, well, not bring back digital biometric digital id cards, biometric version. this time, he said it's going tackle the small boats going to tackle the small boats crisis. work? see you crisis. would it work? see you in

welcome back to me. bev turner in for michelle this week. now,

lord blunkett, who was home secretary under labour, has urged sir keir starmer to introduce a biometrical , a introduce a biometrical, a biometric digital id to tackle the small boats crisis. labour tried this before, of course, in the old fashioned way, with an actual card in 2008. but the idea was roundly rejected by the british public. this time they want to get them through on the idea that they could stop the small boats. joseph, do you think they would , they think they would, they absolutely would not stop the small isn't it small boats. isn't it interesting how, limits on our freedoms can be packaged up as something we like? people are worried about the small boats, they're worried about illegal immigration. and now all of a sudden, id cards can, can, can help where nothing could, help where nothing else could, i would say that, unfortunately, this was a ploy by by labour to limit freedoms , blairite labour limit freedoms, blairite labour to limit freedoms and collect information. we would still be subject to the same treaties that we are now. we would still have the same coalition of left wing lawyers and activists who

prevent planes taking off. when people are trying to be deported. so i think it's actually a load of nonsense. there's no way it would help. >> this is a tony blair petty project, james, and we know that he's with keir he's very influential with keir starmer behind the scenes at the moment. and actually also in pubuc moment. and actually also in public facing roles as well. every time tony blair talks about this, he's one of the very few people i have to say who is honest about the intentions of the global leaders to push through a biometric. at least he tells us it's what he wants, and every time he talks about it, he said it will be tied to your vaccine status. it will be a health card of sorts, with conditions but conditions attached. but are they there trying to they just there for trying to get it in under the guise of, oh, you're all frightened of the boat let's just stop boat people. let's just stop this when they step aboard, this with when they step aboard, we'll scan their eye. we'll give them an id. problem solved. >> yeah . of course. and they've >> yeah. of course. and they've been through so many different iterations. i mean, they started pushing this idea now more than 20 years ago when they were in

government, and it was part of a, an unpleasant authoritarian streak that there was in the, in the labour government, in the blair labour government . and blair labour government. and yes, they said it would deal with immigration. it would deal it would make the welfare system more efficient. it would make interfacing with, public services easier. then they said it was going to stop organised crime. it was going to stop terrorism as if, you know , the terrorism as if, you know, the one, the one group of people that you can guarantee are going to be able to get themselves a counterfeit id card, are going to be organised crime. i mean, it is a, it's a basic it's a top down assault on our liberties in, in the most benign way you can look at it, it's to make the administration of us easier. yeah. that's the most benign way you can look at it. and then you can look at it in some less benign ways. >> you could argue that with a global population growing enormously every year, maybe humanity needs some sort of

organisation . maybe we need a organisation. maybe we need a little filing system. we are we are organised enough. >> the last thing we need is an obligatory id card, it's the mark, not of a free country. it's very alien to everything that we've ever done here, except the young people. but what i what i would add is that what i what i would add is that what we don't need is additional bureaucracy. if you want to solve the migrant crisis, you need a willingness to act. you need a willingness to act. you need to actually bring in some policies happens if policies around what happens if you here and you jump the you come here and you jump the queue and you need a way of actually re, deporting people to with a viable scheme which will actually work. an id card, it's just a red herring. it's got nothing to do with it. >> in his article that he's written in the daily mail today, and lord blunkett clearly feels very strongly about this. he says would smash the says that it would smash the human trafficking gangs if, if, if those people coming ashore knew that it would be either an eyeball or a face scan or a fingerprint, and then they would

be monitorable, they would be able to be monitored, does he have any sort of point? i'm trying to be optimistic. >> i really i really don't think so, the idea is that you would need this card in to order access services, and of course, it wouldn't be your card. >> it would. it would start on your phone. >> it will start on your phone and as you say, it will then get unked and as you say, it will then get linked up to more and more things as it there aren't actual people who, let's say the services that people use, there are no doctors who work in the nhs who say, oh, i know what will help us be able to see our patients sooner. i know what's going to deal with the 8 am. rush for people to call up their their , their gps. oh, this new their, their gps. oh, this new thing we have this new thing that we have to this new bit technology that's going bit of technology that's going to that we have to cost billions, that we have to cost billions, that we have to engage with. actual front to engage with. no actual front line are saying this is line services are saying this is what we need deliver our what we need to deliver our services better. it's this very odd, of politicians odd, small group of politicians who pushing this who have been pushing this idea in different at in these different forms at

different it's not different times. it's not practical and exactly as you've said it is. it's against our traditions . we're we're meant to traditions. we're we're meant to be born free. we're not meant to have a policeman come up to you and say, where are your papers ? and say, where are your papers? it's not right. >> one of the chilling things that lord blunkett says in this article is that when he was home secretary, he said, i introduced an experimental id scheme that produced dramatic results. i don't quite remember what those dramatic results were, but maybe i was thinking if britain had kept the system and developed it, the small boats scandal might never have happened. and he regrets that didn't he regrets that he didn't introduce it. first of all, with teenagers , he said, with teenagers, he said, with hindsight, i should have enlisted teenagers first, offering them free passports at 16 with an id card alongside. i mean, i find that really sinister. >> it is sinister. >> it is sinister. >> it's because they wouldn't know anything different. correct >> and, and he said, and you're told if you want to travel, this is the way you do it. >> well, by now they would be in their mid 30s and they would

automatic have been enrolled into system. well, thank into the system. well, thank goodness but now goodness it didn't work. but now when the youth, they when i say about the youth, they are used to, particularly are so used to, particularly since the idea that the since 2020, the idea that the government tells you what to do and tie it to vax and they tie it to your vax passport during passport as it was during the pandemic. think there pandemic. i don't think there will be the resistance from the younger generation that we might want luckily we're an ageing >> well, luckily we're an ageing population we did with population and as we did with scotland, older people will scotland, the older people will bnng scotland, the older people will bring sanity it should it come to it. but but it won't. and it just goes to show you, if you believe in an idea strongly enough, you'll keep putting it back, no matter how much society has how much people has changed or how much people don't it, you'll find way don't want it, you'll find a way to back. to bring it back. >> i mean, look, we're all facing the hassle of tech at the moment like nothing does moment like nothing works, does it? are in an it? it feels like we are in an actual interface at the moment between the future, between the past and the future, where technology is sort of where the technology is sort of there, but it's working. there, but it's not working. maybe when go and get your maybe when you go and get your passport your driving passport or your driving license, apply for license, or you apply for something actually having something that actually having your collated with your own identity collated with a system connected to a system

would just make it convenient. >> i don't know, i, i was filled in a government form today on the government website . it the government website. it happened fast. it was quite easy.i happened fast. it was quite easy. i just needed my national insurance number. that's something that i already have. i am and the thing that's nice about national insurance, yes, i need that to do my taxes and so on. but no one can come and demand that i show them my national insurance number. >> let's what paul, >> well, let's see what paul, our says. he said, i've our viewer, says. he said, i've lived three years a lived for three years in a country that id cards. country that uses id cards. i had one as a resident, a wonderful thing. no messing about proving you are with about proving who you are with utility etc. and when utility bills, etc. and when i had a couple of minor motoring accidents, the culprits to accidents, the culprits had to give cards until give me their id cards until they for the damage. their they paid for the damage. their incentive without an incentive to pay was without an id card. normal life, their incentive because without incentive paid because without the normal life was the id card, normal life was impossible . problem is the uk impossible. problem is the uk our police don't deal with crime. it wouldn't work. >> the system is functioning fine. if you get into an accident, what do you think happens everyone stands happens now? everyone stands around give their around unable to give their details .

details. >> who you? >> who are you? >> who are you? >> i don't know, right? >> i don't know, right? >> you . guys, time >> thank you. guys, time for a quick break. coming up with billionaires rising by 141. that's right . billionaires rising by 141. that's right. in the last year alone and are now collectively worth more than ever. should we cap the rich? don't go anywhere

welcome back to dewbs & co. it's welcome back to dewbs& co. it's me. bev turner this evening. still here with me? thank goodness. former advisor jeremy corbyn, james schneider and political commentator joseph david. the other bit . i political commentator joseph david. the other bit. i just forgot to get in there with the biometric id. guess biometric digital id. guess who's to offer this who's lined up to offer this service us? a guess, service to us? have a guess, fellas. fujitsu those guys who made good job of the post made such a good job of the post office situation, that should fill you confidence, right? fill you with confidence, right? should about how many should we talk about how many more there are more billionaires there are today there even 12 today than there were even 12 months ago? forbes rich months ago? well, forbes rich list has welcomed newcomers

list has welcomed 265 newcomers this year. 141 of them are billionaires. more billionaires from last year. that means there are now 2781 people who are worth more than $1 billion around the world. that is up from 686 since 2012. so the collective wealth of billionaires has risen by 120% over the past decade . now, over the past decade. now, gentlemen, i'm all for hard work, rewarding aspiration, these billionaires. there's no doubt about it. most of them, not all of them. most of them will have worked very, very hard. but we're living through a time , james, where it feels time, james, where it feels well, it doesn't feel it is fact that we've had the most extraordinary transfer of wealth, particularly since the pandemic, which was the gift that kept on giving for certain individuals. how do we maintain aspiration whilst also somehow narrowing that gap? >> i don't think those two things are set apart at all, because we're not talking about the aspiration of, you know,

being comfortable so you can look after your family, owning your own home, you know, doing some work in your community. most people have, you know, they want to be rich enough that they can do something for their family or their community. that's not what we're talking about here. i mean, the if you're a billionaire, really not what you're pursuing is money. what you're pursuing is power, because that is what that gives you. and that's part of the reason why, you know , you saw reason why, you know, you saw the stat about the wealth going up the stat about the wealth going ”p by the stat about the wealth going up by 120% over the last decade, the global economy over the last decade has not been doing well. you in britain, living you know, in britain, living standards where they pay in standards are, where they pay in real terms is where it was in 2005. you know, basically everything is worse than it was ten years ago for the overwhelming majority of people. and that partly partly and that is partly partly because the immense power that a small number of people have through their extreme wealth allows them to game the system, to extend it. and that is essentially what we're seeing.

yes of course, there were tremendous handouts with covid, which amplifies , inequality. which amplifies, inequality. it's the same thing with quantitative , the way in which quantitative, the way in which quantitative, the way in which quantitative easing was done after the financial crisis. that's not to say that we didn't need a fiscal intervention , i.e, need a fiscal intervention, i.e, the government didn't have things to do in both cases , but things to do in both cases, but the way in which it did it. again, undemocratically through the bank of england, very little oversight, no democratic debate , oversight, no democratic debate, no votes had huge distributional impact, distributional impact is techie terms for gives the rich loads of money and not for everyone else, joseph, looking at the people who are on this list, bernard arnault or not, and family , they are in and his family, they are in fashion and retail. louis vuitton, sephora things like that, they are worth a whopping , that, they are worth a whopping, $233 billion. elon musk, number two tech jeff bezos, retail and tech zuckerberg for tech larry ellison, tech finance , tech and ellison, tech finance, tech and pharma. i mean, there's a picture here. my worry , i

picture here. my worry, i suppose, is that when it comes to tech, there aren't that many jobs in tech. >> i understand the worries, and ihave >> i understand the worries, and i have to say of the names that you that you listed, kudos to them. they're visionaries. yeah. and they've changed the world. and they've changed the world. and that's why they've made so much money. i would be very hesitant to and regulate hesitant to try and regulate earnings , try and regulate earnings, try and regulate wealth. we've seen it before. it always in disaster. the, always ends in disaster. the, the way to narrow the gap between rich and poor is aspiration. it's ambition. it's hard work and a level playing field. >> right. but is there something demoralising? >> i'm sorry. the level playing field. the thing that you got to at the end. yes, of course, which having this kind of ridiculous wealth prevents from happening. but the idea that if only wanted be a bit only we wanted to be a bit fichen only we wanted to be a bit richer, we all would be. if only if only we could aspire to have the personal family fortune of the personal family fortune of the walton family, or the arnault family, or jeff bezos shooting himself off, off to space in a phallic shape. >> people who aspire very, very

many people who aspire never reach it. right? but aspiration is the driving force. i'll tell you this. my father came to this country on a cargo ship. he managed with a level playing field to work hard, buy a house, fund. his family and i can see the path i'm. >> but you see the younger generation can't buy a house now, can they? >> that's the problem, isn't it? don't you think the younger generation demoralised? generation are just demoralised? look and they generation are just demoralised? loo well, and they generation are just demoralised? loo well, i'm and they generation are just demoralised? loo well, i'm never and they generation are just demoralised? loo well, i'm never going they generation are just demoralised? loo well, i'm never going to ey go, well, i'm never going to have 100 billion. there's no point well point even trying. well something very wrong, something is very wrong, actually, i'm, you know, to blow my own trumpet. i'm a social worker, a member of a protected profession. officially, i should be get mortgage and be able to get a mortgage and buy a house, right? i can't, i'm a million miles away from it. so something very wrong. but to something is very wrong. but to limit aspiration and to you limit aspiration and to say you can earn this much and no more, the state to take the the state is going to take the rest very dangerous. it's rest is very dangerous. it's very, ground. very, very shaky ground. >> let's example, in >> let's say, for example, in britain we've got a few seconds, guys, i'm afraid we're going to have wrap it up. have to wrap it up. >> i think we could have sat

chatting night, don't you? chatting all night, don't you? i barely word in edgeways, barely got a word in edgeways, anyway, you so much, anyway, thank you so much, joseph. james schneider, anyway, thank you so much, josepiyou james schneider, anyway, thank you so much, josepiyou joining schneider, anyway, thank you so much, josepiyou joining schthis er, thank you for joining us this evening, back on evening, i'll be back on britain's tomorrow britain's newsroom tomorrow morning up next, morning at 930, but up next, it's farage. well, nigel is enjoying his birthday, so enjoying his 60th birthday, so tom standing in. but tom harwood is standing in. but first, your weather with first, though your weather with annie . annie. >> t- e“— t outlook with boxt >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar. sponsors of weather on gb news . news. news. news. >> hello again. welcome to your latest gb news, weather update. well, there will be some further heavy rain first thing across southern areas, but in general thursday offers some much drier weather compared to the wet weather compared to the wet weather we've seen recently . weather we've seen recently. northeastern areas have suffered the most the rain the most with the rain throughout today that rain will clear through tonight, but clear away through tonight, but the into the the next batch arrives into the southwest. we'll see two bursts of rain. this one will turn heavy at first in the southwest, but it pushes parts of but as it pushes into parts of northern england, it will turn a little bit dry. most areas little bit dry. but most areas will see some heavy outbreaks of rain through night further

rain through the night further north west, though, it north and west, though, it should and could see should stay dry and we could see a of frost by tomorrow a touch of frost by tomorrow morning. but in the morning. but it's in the southwest tomorrow morning where the will be, and the heaviest rain will be, and that push into parts that will push into parts of wales, into the wales, the midlands, into the southeast rush southeast throughout the rush houn you southeast throughout the rush hour. you are moving about hour. so if you are moving about on thursday morning, expect some tncky on thursday morning, expect some tricky conditions . tricky travelling conditions. once that clear out the once that does clear out the way, see a mix of sunshine way, we'll see a mix of sunshine and for many areas of and showers. for many areas of england there will be england and wales there will be some sunny spells in some decent sunny spells in between. we'll feel fairly pleasant that sunshine, pleasant in that sunshine, but further to further north it's going to considerably than it considerably drier day than it has . we'll see considerably drier day than it has .we'll see highs has been lately. we'll see highs of around 10 or 11 degrees across northwestern areas. it's still cold though, in far still cold though, in the far north of scotland, and as the next rain bumps into next batch of rain bumps into that on friday morning, that cold air on friday morning, there's risk of some snow there's a risk of some snow across the highlands and grampians, and we'll see outbreaks grampians, and we'll see outbrthrough many northern areas push through many northern areas throughout friday. further south, turns drier as south, though, it turns drier as the goes but the weekend the day goes on, but the weekend is unsettled is looking unsettled and seasonably windy, but exceptionally mild. that's all for now. bye bye. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsor us of

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gb news. >> good evening. welcome to farage. now, clearly, nigel is away tonight . some of you may be away tonight. some of you may be asking at home this question is. who are you? >> i'd never heard of you. nobodyin >> i'd never heard of you. nobody in europe had ever heard of you . of you. >> well, thanks, nigel. my name's tom harwood. i'm the deputy political editor at gb news, and the reason i'm sitting in here for nigel tonight. is it his birthday? should we hear from the man himself ? from the man himself? >> i'm so sorry i can't be with you tonight. i'd love to have been on gb news. you know i would, but, hey, you know what?