gb news. >> away . >> away. >> away. >> good afternoon. britain. it's 12:00 on thursday, the 4th of april. >> the nuclear option. rishi sunak has said he's prepared to withdraw from the european convention on human rights. if that's what it takes to stop the boats. last night, he said controlling illegal immigration is more important than any foreign court. do believe foreign court. do you believe him .7 him.7 >> two him? >> two tiered justice british judges have been told to consider softening sentences for criminals if they happen to come from deprived or difficult backgrounds . should poorer backgrounds. should poorer people spend less time behind bars ? bars? >> and falklands threat the new maverick president of argentina has announced his roadmap to seize control of the british overseas territory. how worried should we .

should we. be? >> now this, this phrase from rishi sunak, perhaps going further than he ever has before, saying he's prepared potentially to withdraw from the echr. >> it seems like it seems as though and correct me if i'm wrong, but it seems as though every concern native leader has flirted with this idea . they've flirted with this idea. they've suggested they would if they needed to, and you know, if they can't get various, if they can't get illegal immigration essentially is what it usually comes down to, or the deportation foreign criminals deportation of foreign criminals and like they and things like that. they always yes, i would always say, oh, yes, i would consider it. we would do it if we need to. well, surely they haven't stopped the boats. so do they need to? is this the moment ? >> well, 7 >> well, there is one prime minister of the last five who actually has stood up the actually has stood up to the echr and told them to get lost with one of their rulings that was david cameron. yeah, he didn't withdraw .

was david cameron. yeah, he didn't withdraw. he didn't say that he wanted to withdraw the last three prime ministers have flirted with the option, i'd say. but david cameron, on the issue of prisoner voting , got issue of prisoner voting, got together. a coalition of members of parliament expressed the will of parliament expressed the will of parliament expressed the will of parliament saying, actually, we don't want this. and told the echr where to go. so, i mean, perhaps , perhaps there's a route perhaps, perhaps there's a route through there. if there's a courageous prime minister but, as rishi sunak said , his phrase as rishi sunak said, his phrase was that he would always prioritise controlling migration above any foreign cause. >> it's clearly not true, is it ? >> it's clearly not true, is it? so far? i mean, we've allowed the european court of human rights to prevent the deportation of criminal criminals to stop illegal immigration in some respects. so clearly he's got to prove it. but of course, this comes in the context of the reform party rising in the polls. >> now at 13, 14 points and an enormous poll that came out just last night showing the tories are going to lose, in a worse

way than john major did against tony blair. so could they do something drastic? let us know. >> things around is rishi sunak all words and no trousers. do you think he could possibly take us out of the echr? should he let us know? gb views gb news. com it's your headlines with com but it's your headlines with sam . sam. >> tom and emily. >> tom and emily. >> thank you very much. and good afternoon from the newsroom. 12:03. and as we heard from tom and emily, the prime minister says that britain could pull out of the european convention on human rights if it obstructs the government's rwanda plan. rishi sunak says controlling illegal migration is more important than membership to the echr, and he would not let what he called the foreign court interfere in sovereign matters . labour, sovereign matters. labour, though, has accused the prime minister of trying to appease the hard right of the conservative party more than 600 british legal experts, including

three former supreme court judges, are calling on the uk to stop sending arms to israel. they say there is a plausible risk the weapons may be used to commit serious violations of international law, and that the prime minister must change britain's policy, shadow business secretary jonathan reynolds told gb news this morning that the government should publish the legal advice it's on the uk's it's received on the uk's arrangement with israel. >> of the uk is very, >> the law of the uk is very, very clear. if there is any possibility of anything exported from the uk being involved in a serious violation of humanitarian law , it cannot be humanitarian law, it cannot be exported from the uk. so the government will have had legal advice on that. specific to the conflict gaza . we've asked conflict in gaza. we've asked them to publish that legal advice. it would be, i think, a reasonable step, given what has happenedin reasonable step, given what has happened in the last few days and what has happened over the last make clear last few months to make clear the position and to make the legal position and to make sure the government itself and we are currently complying with uk . uk law. >> meanwhile, the united nations has missions in gaza on

has put its missions in gaza on hold while the charities review their humanitarian work there. it's after seven aid workers were killed by an israeli airstrike on monday. they were part of a group from the world central kitchen organisation, whose vehicles were hit while travelling on an approved humanitarian route . among them humanitarian route. among them were three british nationals john chapman, james henderson and james kirby, the charity's founder has now accused israeli forces of targeting its workers . forces of targeting its workers. he says systematically car by car, foreign editor of jewish news yotam confino told gb news that a full investigation must be allowed to take place . be allowed to take place. >> whether this was systematic and deliberate , actually going and deliberate, actually going after these aid workers, i think that remains to be seen until the israel can really , present the israel can really, present some of its investigation fully to the world. but it makes no sense for israel to target this organisation because not only is it working closely with this organisation, it's actually

helping them distribute the food that they deliver from cyprus . that they deliver from cyprus. >> in other news, british farmers are calling for on a guaranteed basic income after post—brexit arrangements left many worse off. at least 100 have joined a campaign group urging the government to help cover basic costs after the loss of subsidies from the european union analysis last year by the organic farming group riverford found that half of britain's fruit and vegetable growers may go out of business within just a yeah go out of business within just a year. comes as suppliers are year. it comes as suppliers are warning of higher prices on the supermarket shelves due to a new post—brexit border charge, which will be introduced at the end of this month . judges have been this month. judges have been told to consider more lenient sentences for offenders from depnved sentences for offenders from deprived or from difficult backgrounds . the sentencing backgrounds. the sentencing council, which sets guidelines for judges and magistrates, has forjudges and magistrates, has forjudges and magistrates, has for the first time outlined mitigating factors that it says courts should consider before handing down a sentence. those factors include poverty, low education, discrimination and

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rwanda flights off the ground. >> well, speaking to the sun last night, the prime minister said that illegal migration offended his sense of fairness, adding that the rwanda scheme was fundamental for our sovereignty. >> well, let's head to westminster and speak to our political editor, christopher hope , christopher, why do you hope, christopher, why do you suspect rishi sunak has said this ? this? >> well. hi, tom. hi, emily. well, i think look at who he's speaking to. he's speaking to the audience of the sun , they the audience of the sun, they want to hear, as our viewers do at gb news and our listeners action on the small boats crisis. i mean, this is the pm who called it an emergency. emergency legislation required last november. and yet still four months later is not on the statute books. now, we know or we think we've been told by various senior government sources that are going to see sources that we are going to see this bill made law on the april the 18th after two more spats with with the house of lords. and you're seeing there on the screen now, rishi sunak announcing his plan to stop the

boats. the question from harry cole the sun's political cole, the sun's political edhon cole, the sun's political editor, stop the editor, was why he say stop the boats ? why not, say, cut numbers boats? why not, say, cut numbers of crossings or something else? but clear he wants but he made very clear he wants to stop the boats. but the language interesting. he language is so interesting. he said i believe said that, didn't he? i believe that and making that border security and making sure that we can control illegal migration more important than migration is more important than membership of a foreign court, because it's fundamental to our sovereignty as a country. he's not saying he's going to leave the echr, but he's he's showing clearly he thinks that judges in strasbourg, which prevent flights taking off because of the human rights of those being flown to rwanda that shouldn't get way of flights. now, get in the way of flights. now, i've downing street i've gone to downing street today what does that today and said, what does that really mean? and what we're told by number 10 is he's saying that if it came to it and the european convention of human if it came to it and the europewas onvention of human if it came to it and the europewas a|vention of human if it came to it and the europewas a block�*n of human if it came to it and the europewas a block�*n onanda| if it came to it and the europewas a block�*n onanda , we rights was a block on rwanda, we would consider leaving. so you're hearing both you're very good at this kind of thing. two conditional tenses. there on a commitment to leave the echr that hasn't stopped , of course, that hasn't stopped, of course, tom and emily, other right

wingers leaping on the language, and almost trying to push number 10 into a position of saying we will leave the echr if strasbourg gets in the way of these flights taking off. jonathan gullies, now a deputy chairman of the party on twitter last night he wrote the britain will quit the if that is will quit the echr if that is what it takes to stop the boats. sunak tells sun readers. he didn't quite say that, did he ? didn't quite say that, did he? >> no, it's interesting because this is further than rishi sunak has gone before in terms of outright rhetoric, but he has for some time been saying that he would be willing to, for example , ignore the pyjama example, ignore the pyjama injunctions that were placed on the united kingdom by the echr that stopped that initial plane getting off. he has tiptoed around this area for quite some time. yeah he's used that tum foreign courts. >> in an interview that i did for gb news in kent. that very

cold day in kent, he talked about foreign courts and that annoys people , on social media. annoys people, on social media. they think that because uk they think that because the uk has signed up to the strasbourg court, it's part our court, it's part of our jurisprudence. much as other jurisprudence. as much as other countries. but he means foreign courts literally court courts is literally a court based in strasbourg. that's right. tom number 10 also said that answering a question that he was answering a question hypothetically these hypothetically about these potential injunctions. potential pyjama injunctions. and means is the and what that means is the government gearing government is clearly gearing itself up for a big legal fight in the courts once the rwanda act becomes law as number 10 and others think it will do after april the 18th. once that happens, then it will go to the courts to decide that if that law is watertight and can prevent, european human rights law stopping flights taking off. so we are nowhere near these flights taking off, but we are getting towards the end of this interminable parliamentary pi'ocess. >> process. >> yes. and chris, just quickly, could this also have something to do with this , latest polling to do with this, latest polling from yougov that suggests rishi sunakis from yougov that suggests rishi sunak is heading for a worse result than john major's 1997

result. >> that's right, emily, it's a mass poll and mrp polling. now, this mrp polling famously got the 2017 election result right with yougov , it was also many. with yougov, it was also many. this is a detailed polling seat by seat, showing that the tories will win just 155 seats, down from 365 now, that they won in the 2019 general election. it's further supports the idea that the party is on course for an absolute drubbing, the tory party for its it's part of the number 10 certainly in its strategists are looking and hoping they can make sure that they get people they can get people non—committed to vote this time around. who did vote tory last time, that can claw back and eat into that election result that looks like it's on its way from the polling . and for me, though, the polling. and for me, though, i think this party is fighting to stay in the game, frankly, after the election because it's all about holding and being able to fight against the labour party, labour government in

2029. >> well, thank you very much indeed. hope there. indeed. christopher hope there. our political editor live from westminster. interesting westminster. it's interesting that chris brought up this idea of criticism of the phrase, of the criticism of the phrase, the quite factual phrase that the quite factual phrase that the echr is a foreign court. >> yes. it reminded me of a written question in in the house of commons only a few weeks ago. there's an snp mp by the name of patrick grady. he put in a formal written question to the prime minister, asking for what reason does the prime minister consider the echr to be a foreign court? now, normally these written questions have very long and ornate answers, he said. >> because it's in strasbourg , >> because it's in strasbourg, he literally wrote it's there because it's based in strasbourg. yeah, i mean, a foreign court. people will try to say all saying a foreign court is some kind of dog whistle. anyway let's get the thoughts of mep bill thoughts of former mep bill etheridge , bill. rishi sunak etheridge, bill. rishi sunak talking tough ish. should we believe him? >> no . >> no. >> no. >> absolutely not, it's an election year.

>> every election year, the tories start saying things that they think people want to hear. it's been going on now for 14 years. every election , they years. every election, they suddenly become very conservative, very right wing. >> it's absolute rubbish. >> it's absolute rubbish. >> he has no intention whatsoever of leaving the echr, which we should have left incidentally years ago. >> and the whole rwanda scheme is nothing but a great big gimmick to try and look tough. if he really wanted to stop the boats, he should be taking action in the channel not spending millions on legal cases and flying people to deepest africa. for some bizarre reason, when they've come from france. >> but bill clearly what the prime minister says here is that last year arrivals were down by a third. why was that? mainly because of a deal with albania whereby we could send people back to albania. the albanians stopped coming . they went from stopped coming. they went from the most common kind of person

coming the channel to coming across the channel to basically negligible in the statistics. the problem is with lots of other countries, we don't have a place to send them back to. so the idea of rwanda is you copy the albanian model but apply it to all countries with a safe third country. surely based on the evidence of last year and the success of the albanian returns agreement, this could work . could work. >> no, it was never going to work and they never intended to apply. this is pure tory spin and the whole idea. the most of these people , let's remember these people, let's remember they're coming on boats, small boats across the channel. it's really obvious where we send them back we send them back them back to. we send them back to france. have been to the camps, i've visited there and i spoke to some of the people at the camps a few years ago . they the camps a few years ago. they believe that they're going to come country for the believe that they're going to comeof country for the believe that they're going to comeof milk country for the believe that they're going to comeof milk and1try for the believe that they're going to comeof milk and honey. the land of milk and honey. everything's going to great everything's going to be great and there's problem . we and that there's no problem. we need it very clear that need to make it very clear that actually, enter our actually, if you enter our country illegally, there's a

major problem and not only will you be dropped straight back to where you've come from, i'd where you've come from, but i'd like to the boats that came like to see the boats that came in and a real point in scuttled and a real point made to the people traffickers and gangsters who and the gangsters who were involved in making all this happen. >> well, thank you very much indeed. >> well, thank you very much indeed . bill etheridge, former indeed. bill etheridge, former mep. certain mep. what we do know for certain is that we are seeing record numbers crossing the channel. still and that time is running out for rishi sunak to make something happen. >> yes. and that election does seem, although we don't know the date to tick closer and closer. but, from one mess to another, campaigners are now calling for a blue flag status to protect britain's filthiest rivers from pollution. >> yes, liberal democrat leader sir ed davey says sewage spills are an environmental scandal, which conservative ministers are letting water companies get away with. well, yorkshire is home to a huge four out of ten of the country's worst rivers for sewage dumping. oh gosh ,

sewage dumping. oh gosh, yorkshire. poor yorkshire joining us county. yes well joining us county. yes well joining us county. yes well joining us now from one of those very rivers, the river wharfe is our yorkshire and humber reporter, anna riley. anna tell me this is one of the top ten dirtiest rivers . dirtiest rivers. >> good afternoon to you both. yes it is. i'm here in wetherby, next to the river wharfe. it is on that top ten list, actually, four out of ten of those, filthiest rivers in england. that data gathered by the liberal democrats . top of that liberal democrats. top of that list is the river calder , that list is the river calder, that had 4200 spillages last year, and that amounted to 33 hours of overspill of sewage into the river. that was followed by the river avon on the list. and then that was followed by number three, the river severn. now i have actually took my cup here and put it in the river water,

just to show you how it looks here against the white background, you know, river water is sometimes brown and discoloured. there's nothing to unsightly floating in here, but you can see the discolouration there. and this is what the lib dems are talking about in terms of that blue flag status. they say for the safety of swimmers and people swim here, people fish here, people paddle . it's fish here, people paddle. it's a picnic site, as rivers are across england , they're saying across england, they're saying that blue blue flag status would mean that swimmers know when they go to rivers like this that they go to rivers like this that they are protected , that the they are protected, that the sewage will not be overspilling into these particular rivers, and that if they are, the water companies will face heavy fines for doing that. of course, consume ing water that is contaminated can be very bad for us. it can lead to gastrointestinal problems, stomach bugs, vomiting, diarrhoea . it can hospitalise diarrhoea. it can hospitalise people. it can give you eye infections, ear infections,

respiratory infections. so it's certainly something that we do not want to be swimming in and consuming , in terms of what consuming, in terms of what yorkshire water have said, they have been investing in the sewage system. they said by april 2025 next year, they'll have invested £180 million to try and update the sewer system . try and update the sewer system. but they have attributed the large amount of rivers with sewage problems in yorkshire to the number of storms. last year there were 11 named storms which caused heavy rainfall . all. and caused heavy rainfall. all. and in circumstances where there is heavy rainfall , because we've heavy rainfall, because we've got a combined sewage system for our rainwater, rainwater , water our rainwater, rainwater, water and wastewater through one, companies can overflow into rivers and seas with sewage. when that happens. the problem is when companies are doing it, when it's dry, and of course, statuses like what the lib dems are calling for today is something that will certainly get people talking, because who wants swim in filthy river

water? >> i know it's really, really stark when you show up there. stark when you show it up there. for viewers television, for viewers on television, seeing that that seeing that contrast that that dirty, dirty water there. and i really thank you for that report . it's, it's quite shocking, really. >> i hope i didn't get her hands dirty after hearing what can happen were drink , happen if you were drink, consume this type of work. well, i'm sure she's. i'm sure she's a antibacterial. you're not going to take a sip. she's not going to take a sip. she's not going to of that water, to take a sip of that water, that's for sure. >> i've got a drawer >> i've got i've got a drawer full wash full of antibacterial hand wash left over from covid. oh, god. >> i ever got into >> i'm not sure i ever got into that. should i admit to that? >> know, it in my >> you know, i got it in my christmas stocking. got in. christmas stocking. i got it in. >> there >> oh, there you go. >> oh, there you go. >> i just just just so >> i just i was just just so much antibacterial. >> have delighted, >> would have been delighted, delighted receive delighted to receive some antibacterial for antibacterial hand wash for christmas. a delight. but christmas. what a delight. but this is probably a good campaign for the liberal democrats. i mean, they're not polling too highly. this is something that they everyone agrees they can do that everyone agrees with. that with. everyone agrees that our rivers should not rivers and water should not be contaminated with sewage as it is. one for ed davey. is. so a good one for ed davey. i imagine . i imagine. >> but as anna says, it's incredibly expensive to fit

this. unlike lots of countries, we rain water storm overflow we put rain water storm overflow in the same pipes as the sewage , in the same pipes as the sewage, so it fills up really easily. not every country built their system like this, but sadly we did. >> well. >> well. >> sadly we did. coming up, the president of argentina, a little bit of a maverick, says he will establish a roadmap towards the uk handing over sovereignty of the falkland island . what the falkland island. what exactly might this roadmap look like ? and does he stand a chance like? and does he stand a chance of actually taking the falkland islands? this is good afternoon, britain. we're on

gb news. well, it's 1225. and the president of argentina has reignited the seemingly never ending row over the falklands by promising a new road map. that's

what he calls it. a road map for his country's takeover of the islands . islands. >> yes. speaking on the 42nd anniversary of argentina's invasion of the falkland islands, javier milei added that the best tribute to argentina's war dead would be to defend the unwavering claim for argentinian sovereignty over those islands. >> however, we've hit back a spokesman for prime minister rishi sunak responded, saying the issue had been settled decisively some time ago and quite decisive. >> it was let's get the thoughts now of the falklands war veteran simon weston and simon, thank you so much for making the time for us. how does it make you feel personally when you hear that are argentine that the are argentine president? the argentine public no doubt simply are not letting this one go, it's like a dog with a bone, the, the lost, the

argument. 42 years ago, they had argument. 42 years ago, they had a referendum several years ago, which was 98 or 97, something like on 99, in favour of remaining under british sovereignty, it seems to me that with all the problems that this president has in his country, with all the raging inflation, which pretty much was what the argentinians invaded because of, 42 years ago, because they had something like 2,000% inflation, it just seems like he's he's doing the smoke and mirrors trick like a magician , you know, trick like a magician, you know, look what the left hand is doing. because the right hand is doing. because the right hand is doing else. it doing something else. and it just that he's just just strikes me that he's just he's just banging the same old drum that they've all banged for 42 years. >> yes, it does seem that way. but this javier milei is a little bit different, isn't he? he's a maverick , do you he's a bit of a maverick, do you think? actually, could think? actually, he could try and something about this. he and do something about this. he could actually, you know, put his actions where mouth is,

his actions where his mouth is, but do anything but he can't do anything militarily . militarily. >> he's not superman. you know, his pants go on one leg at a time, same as everybody else. he's superman. just an he's not superman. he's just an ordinary guy who's come from complete field in complete left field in argentinian politics, he is a maverick. but then again , maverick. but then again, apparently he consults a psychic who talks to his dead dog to get some decisions made, this this guy, he has no military to talk about. most of the navy is still where it was left 42 years ago. on the bottom of the sea, his air force is depleted. from what i from being down there i know from being down there last year, they've only four serviceable fighter aircraft, their army is depleted . then their army is depleted. then again, so's ours. you know, our army's been run to the ground because they're looking at a so—called peace dividend . there so—called peace dividend. there is no such thing. but these people have never , ever invested people have never, ever invested since 42, since 82, they've never invested in their military because they didn't want to have

a junta again. they didn't want to have their politicians thrown out for being out on their ear for being corrupt. and largely the biggest problem has is because problem argentina has is because of corruption in their politicians. like most of south america . so you can get a cabal america. so you can get a cabal of nations together in south america to say, yes, at the united nations, we all need to take the falklands back. it's a mark of sovereignty for all of us, for all of our islands everywhere. but we know , the everywhere. but as we know, the un is toothless. it does nothing. it will mean nothing. they make lots of noises and have lots of rhetoric. but at the end of the day, the people of the islands are a sovereign nafion of the islands are a sovereign nation of their own. they have created their own country , they created their own country, they have their currency, and have their own currency, and they chosen under whose they have chosen under whose flag and laws they wish to exist. and as long as they want that, then we must protect that. if they change their mind at any time, then we must accept that and respect it. but until the argentinian politicians accept that they have no argument, which they don't, there's no

legal argument at all for what they, they state, they just have to leave it well alone, we, we can't keep going back and fighting over the same ground . fighting over the same ground. they've continued banging the drum about this for the last 42 years. the islanders . have years. the islanders. have stated their case, and they're the only people that are relevant in all of this. not me, not any of the other veterans. you there because you know, we went there because we to do a now we were paid to do a job. now afterwards, we've been intelligent enough to learn about what the politics was about what the politics was about and what we about back then. and what we know is that we were paid to do a job, not for our opinion, and ourjob a job, not for our opinion, and our job was to a job, not for our opinion, and ourjob was to do a job, not for our opinion, and our job was to do what we a job, not for our opinion, and ourjob was to do what we did our job was to do what we did back in 42, in 82. and our opinion then was that we were doing what our country and the islanders wanted . and the islanders wanted. and the argentinians have to accept that they're the ones who broke international law by invading another country. they're the ones who who broke all protocols

, but what we've seen is that the world will react as we've seen it happen in russia and ukraine. you know, russia invaded the world, stood with ukraine or most of the world, and the same must be respected . and the same must be respected. in the case of the falklands, the islanders have got, i wonder if simon, i wonder if in the future, it might seen if simon, i wonder if in the futthe it might seen if simon, i wonder if in the futthe progressive1ight seen if simon, i wonder if in the futthe progressive thing seen if simon, i wonder if in the futthe progressive thing that en if simon, i wonder if in the futthe progressive thing that al as the progressive thing that a future government might decide as the progressive thing that a futu|actually|ment might decide as the progressive thing that a futu|actually we nt might decide as the progressive thing that a futu|actually we owe ight decide as the progressive thing that a futu|actually we owe the decide that actually we owe the argentinians they have. >> they they deserve this land back. >> never lived there. not a single argentine. >> i can just see. i can just foresee. i can just foresee the debate changing. i mean, if we look the way discuss look at the way we discuss these, going these, simon, we're going to have there. but it have to leave it there. but it was fantastic to get was absolutely fantastic to get your perspective on this, your perspective on all of this, simon of course, simon weston, who is, of course, a falklands war veteran. so he knows talking about knows what he's talking about but can't you see that? can't you know, you just imagine, you know, people left potentially people on the left potentially saying, oh, you know, it doesn't really to us. they have really belong to us. they have just as much right this , land

just as much right to this, land as we do. and we should do the right thing and hand, hand them back. >> and yet, the bonkers thing here is that the brits who live there, the falkland islanders, have lived there for hundreds of years. yeah. if anything , years. yeah. if anything, they're the indigenous people on those islands that were uninhabited before europeans settled there. and actually , settled there. and actually, frankly, argentina, it's not. it's their not natives in argentina, the people that run argentina, the people that run argentina, they're all spanish descent. i can see it. descent. i can just see it. colonialists with colonialists arguing with colonialist , i see it, i can colonialist, i see it, i can just see it. >> anyway, let know what you >> anyway, let us know what you make gb views gv make of that gb views at gv news.com. to news.com. we're going to be getting your views on getting to some of your views on the and whether you believe the echr and whether you believe rishi sunak. does he have the bottle actually us out bottle to actually take us out of court? but of the european court? but coming we going soft on coming up, are we going soft on criminals? the uk sentencing coming up, are we going soft on criminaiis�* the uk sentencing coming up, are we going soft on criminaiis urgingk sentencing coming up, are we going soft on criminaiis urging judges ncing coming up, are we going soft on criminaiis urging judges to ng council is urging judges to consider lighter, softer sentences for offenders who happen to be from poor or depnved happen to be from poor or deprived backgrounds. >> well, this is good afternoon britain on gb news, britain's

election . channel. election. channel. >> very good afternoon to you from the newsroom. it's just gone 12:30 and we start with some breaking news coming to us out of croydon in south london this afternoon, where we understand has been understand a woman has been hospitalised reports that hospitalised after reports that she swallowed a poison. two police officers have also been exposed to what's been described as that hazardous substance. all three of those people are currently in hospital under observation. specialist police officers and the london fire brigade attended that scene in the early hours of this morning, where road closures were put in place . those cordons have now place. those cordons have now been lifted . police say, though, been lifted. police say, though, that no arrests have so far been made. we will, of course, keep across that for you throughout the rest of this afternoon. to other the minister other news, the prime minister has the be has been warned the uk could be breaking international if it breaking international law if it continues to sell arms to

israel. 600 legal experts have written to rishi sunak telling him britain must act because they say there's a plausible risk among they say there's a plausible risk who've among they say there's a plausible risk who've signed among they say there's a plausible risk who've signed the among they say there's a plausible risk who've signed the letter|g those who've signed the letter are three former supreme court justices, the court's justices, including the court's former hale . the former president, lady hale. the prime minister says britain could pull out of the european convention on human rights if it obstructs the government's rwanda plan. rishi says rwanda plan. rishi sunak says controlling illegal migration is more important than membership of echr , and that he would of the echr, and that he would let not let what he called the foreign court interfere in sovereign . british sovereign matters. british farmers are calling for a guaranteed basic income after post—brexit arrangements left many worse off. at least 100 have joined a campaign group urging the government to help cover basic costs after the loss of subsidies from the european union. it comes as suppliers are warning of higher prices and empty shelves due to empty supermarket shelves due to a new post—brexit border charge, which will be introduced at the end month . and air

end of the month. and air passengers fed up with tight limits on liquids in their carry on luggage, will have to wait even longer for promised changes. several british airports june airports will miss a june deadune airports will miss a june deadline to introduce new high tech 3d scanners, which were supposed to end the need to remove things like laptops and liquids on flights. it means the 100 millilitre limit on liquids will remain for now, despite promised changes allowing up to two litres. that's the latest from the newsroom for now. for more, you can sign up to gb news alerts. just scan the code on your screen or go to gbnews.com/alerts.

>> good afternoon. britain. it's just coming up to 20 to 1. and you have been getting in touch with our main story of the day.

frankly, does rishi sunak have the bottle to leave the echr? yes. it looks like you at home aren't. >> aren't 100% convinced? let's say david says we don't have. well, sam says another joke. it won't happen. ben says we won't leave the echr . not one thing leave the echr. not one thing sunak has promised has come to fruition since he became pm. peter says rishi sunak is weak. he always was and he will always be. never ignore even the be. he'll never ignore even the echr. harry gets in touch echr. well harry gets in touch to say what's the point of our prime minister saying we're going come out of foreign going to come out of foreign courts the when courts to stop the boats when one of the main problems we have with immigrants and with illegal immigrants and deportation is the unelected house lords , and harry does house of lords, and harry does make a strong point there in that it's not just foreign courts that have been getting in the way rwanda. the way of rwanda. >> legislation . of course, they >> legislation. of course, they got the that original got in the way of that original flight pyjama flight with their pyjama injunctions. it was our injunctions. but then it was our own high court , the own courts. the high court, the supreme court the house of supreme court and the house of lords frustrating this. >> absolutely, lots of obstacles . caroline says it's becoming

increasingly difficult to believe that sunak slashed the conservatives would even go through with ignoring the echr should they try and stop any rwanda flights because of the amount of time it's taking for this policy to even come into force , she's becoming more and force, she's becoming more and more whether the more sceptical of whether the conservatives believe in conservatives truly believe in sorting out the illegal migrant issue. interesting issue. well, it's interesting you that was you say that because that was robert jenrick's wasn't robert jenrick's claim, wasn't it? immigration it? the former immigration minister, he claimed that rishi sunak really bothered sunak wasn't really bothered about the issue of immigration. so if you believe what robert jenrick said, you might take that view that this just isn't really a genuine priority of the prime ministers. >> and yet david has a contrary view. he says we don't have to leave the court. we can just ignore it on this matter, as others have done. for example, france were a sovereign country and it is true there are countries that have done and do ignore certain rulings of the echr or ignore certain orders of the echr. indeed the united kingdom did so in the coalition

era when we said no to prisoner voting. keep your views coming in on that one. >> maybe someone will write in saying we believe rishi sunak. he's trying his best in a difficult situation. that's the other side. >> well, shall we move on to something that has really become a quite a curious story here. the uk sentencing council, a really significant body, has emphasised . the need forjudges emphasised. the need forjudges to consider softer sentences by offenders who come from deprived or challenging backgrounds. >> justice secretary >> well, justice secretary alex chalk with chalk has criticised this, with many guidelines many calling the new guidelines extremely as . growing >> well, it comes as. growing concerns on prison overcrowding prompting this re—evaluation of sentencing practices. but the question remains is are we too soft on criminals and frankly, should be making should we be making these decisions on overcrowding? decisions based on overcrowding? >> yes. well, that is a key point, isn't it? is that what this is all about, than

this is all about, rather than ideology ? joining us now to ideology? joining us now to discuss this is retired scotland yard detective inspector hamish brown, m.b.e, hamish, thank you very much indeed forjoining us. lots of people will look at this and worry that judges may be, encouraged to make excuses for offenders. oh, it wasn't his fault that he was a violent sex offender . it's because he came offender. it's because he came from a challenging background . from a challenging background. >> well, in my very varied retirement from the metropolitan police, i've done all of police, i've done all sorts of agency had agency work, and i had the privilege for some time working with the national probation service, probation service, not as a probation officer, but doing investigation service, not as a probation officer, btheioing investigation service, not as a probation officer, bthe courts|vestigation service, not as a probation officer, bthe courts that gation service, not as a probation officer, bthe courts that sort)n service, not as a probation officer, bthe courts that sort of covering the courts that sort of thing. and having sat in many magistrates courts and indeed crown courts, and i've listened to the sentencing and the process to it, it's quite right that the judges should know something about an offender background to weigh up the type of sentence . and invariably the

of sentence. and invariably the national probation service qualified . probation officers, qualified. probation officers, they're called upon to do what's known as a psr pre—sentence report. and these things are really thorough. it goes on for pages and it gives a background of the defendant and will assist the does assist the the court and does assist the court sense it should court in what sense it should be meted social meted out. so the social background into background certainly comes into it. other side of the it. but on the other side of the coin, people who commit particularly most serious of particularly the most serious of crimes, face the crimes, they've got to face the full of the law. and i'm full penalty of the law. and i'm talking about violence , talking about violence, particularly armed robberies. i'm talking about sexual offences , particularly rapes and offences, particularly rapes and that sort of thing, you can't just go and reduce the sentence because of someone's , economic because of someone's, economic or other background . that's or other background. that's quite ridiculous. but taking a defendant as a whole, maybe there are children , there are there are children, there are handicapped children and the family, and that will weigh on

the judges minds. and i've seen it saying, if i lock you up, who's going to look after your children? sort of thing? so there are all sorts of things that come into play . so i think, that come into play. so i think, it does exist already , but i it does exist already, but i don't think it should be a statutory example that something that has to be followed because as someone comes from a deprived background, the whole situation in someone's background should be taken into account and the correct sentence given. >> do you think there's an issue here with the fact that the sentencing council seemingly is brushing up against the politician who is the justice secretary? there's an elected politician who's saying one thing and an unelected sentencing council saying another. surely these two groups should be working together, but it seems that they're rubbing heads. >> well, i suppose in any civilised society you're going to take opinions from all to all

sorts of bodies , but we're a sorts of bodies, but we're a democracy. we can hear what other people have to say. and at the end of the day , the the end of the day, the government of the day is answerable through the ballot box. but i think there's something bit more something a little bit more here. alluded to it in here. and you alluded to it in your introduction, it as much the prison overcrowding. is this just another plank to get into that? and i suspect it may well be the prisons are absolutely heaving. at what stage are you going say stop, heaving. at what stage are you going say stop , stop, do going to say stop, stop, do short sentences work and so on? who send people to prison? many people for long, long sentences . people for long, long sentences. why am i talking this way? well, if someone goes prison a if someone goes to prison for a few months, will be halved few months, that will be halved anyway. they might get a little bit knocked to come out bit knocked off to come out on their tag, and they their electronic tag, and they probably get a drug dealer or something like that inside. so it's the right measure. but i have every suspicion this is

another plank. this is another aspect to , try and deal with the aspect to, try and deal with the prison overcrowding. >> well, thank you very much indeed. really great to speak to you. hamish brown, m.b.e. retired scotland yard detective inspector. i don't know where it ends with because it is ends though with because it is it making mean, it is making excuses. i mean, if someone example, someone shoplifts for example, should a lesser should they get a lesser sentence if they happen to be deprived, can you really go down that road? is it patronising? lots people from very lots of people from very depnved lots of people from very deprived backgrounds would never even committing crime i >>i >> i thought we were all equal under the law . i thought that under the law. i thought that was the principle on which this country was. was . meant to run. country was. was. meant to run. but but clearly some people are more . equal than others. yes. more. equal than others. yes. >> well, we're going to be having this debate later in the show, so stay tuned for that. two

us. >> good afternoon. britain. it's coming up to 10 to 1. and britain's automotive industry is going from strength to strength. with new car registrations up by more than 10% in march. that's recording its 20th consecutive month of growth. really . good month of growth. really. good manufacturing figures. and that's according to new figures from the society of motor manufacturers and traders. some of asking, where's of you write in asking, where's the good news? the where's the good news? >> do you never deliver good >> why do you never deliver good news? good news? well, here's some good news, it's not news news, but it's not great news for electric vehicles or evs because last because sales plummeted last month the average buyer month with the average buyer saying put by high saying they're put off by high prices. times, and poor prices. recharge times, and poor charging infrastructure . so charging infrastructure. so a tale of two there. >> yes. tale of two halves. >> yes. tale of two halves. >> tale of two halves. >> tale of two halves. >> but joining us now is the motor trade expert fraser brown, fraser, it's interesting looking at these sales figures. there was a big, big perhaps hype

loop, last year and the year before on on evs, on electric vehicles , but perhaps we've vehicles, but perhaps we've reached a plateau and everyone that wanted one has maybe saturated that market more than was expected . was expected. >> it is very interesting. obviously we've seen a 10% rise in the market. >> so the number of vehicles registered this month , very registered this month, very interestingly, march is one of the plate change months and it's one of our biggest registration months in the calendar year. so the figures that come out in march useful march are particularly useful and very good indication and gives a very good indication as to what's really going on. now, that now, there are two things that hide headlines hide beneath the headlines from these figures . the first thing these figures. the first thing is that we're seeing very weak retail demand. so the private buyen retail demand. so the private buyer, in market isn't buyer, in the market isn't coming out. they're really hard to find. and manufacturers are having to spend a lot of to

money, kind of register to get cars registered. they're putting an awful lot of discounts on the table the moment, and we're table at the moment, and we're finally seeing a push of vehicles rather vehicles into the market rather than a pull from, from customers. we've had issues with semiconductors and various other things. so they've not been supplying cars from manufacturers as fast since the pandemic . we now seem to be over pandemic. we now seem to be over that. manufacturers are pushing cars into the market again, and yeah, there's another underlying story around evs as well. >> fraser, with the >> yes, fraser, with the electric vehicles, they've had a bit of bad press , haven't they. bit of bad press, haven't they. recently over the last year or so people talking about how electric vehicles could, blow up . or go up in flames. i mean, we've seen buses go up in flames , haven't we? no more than we've seen we've seen quite, prominent commentators, journalists coming out buying out to say they regret buying their electric vehicle for various fair? various reasons. is that fair? and that's and do you think that's impacting sales? and do you think that's imfwell,] sales? and do you think that's imfwell, i sales? and do you think that's

imfwell, i absolutely no >> well, i have absolutely no doubt the negative press around evs, is completely evs, a lot of it is completely untrue, statistics on vehicle fires that an ev is ten fires show that an ev is ten times less likely to set a fire than an internal combustion engine an engine that's industry wide. an insurance based figures , insurance company based figures, and the other thing to remember, i've lived an electric i've lived with an electric vehicle seven years now. vehicle for seven years now. okay, i have only used okay, and i have only used pubuc okay, and i have only used public charging so very few times in an average year. i might use it a handful of times, because the best time to charge an electric car is overnight. and every morning your car is full. so if you buy a car that does 300 miles, which is fairly standard electric car does 300 miles, which is fairly stand.days, electric car does 300 miles, which is fairly stand.days, you electric car does 300 miles, which is fairly stand.days, you neverc car does 300 miles, which is fairly stand.days, you never go ar does 300 miles, which is fairly stand.days, you never go near these days, you never go near pubuc these days, you never go near public charging. so public charging infrastructure , whilst charging infrastructure, whilst not completely irrelevant, is not completely irrelevant, is not issue and 60% of not a major issue and 60% of drivers have access to domestic overnight charging. we can fill a car that will do 300 miles up with about £7 worth of electricity. you go out and buy a petrol car and it might cost you, depending on how efficient it is and how large the car is, that cost you 80 or £100

that might cost you 80 or £100 to that vehicle up. so to fill that vehicle up. so whilst electric cars, as new cars are slightly more expensive than their internal combustion engine counterparts , an electric engine counterparts, an electric car to run is massively cheaper. your average person. >> will it be for that long though, fraser? will it be for that long? they'll find other ways taxing won't they? ways of taxing you, won't they? they'll other ways when they'll find other ways when they out petrol and they run out of the petrol and diesel money potentially. >> but the key issue is that electricity overnight is really cheap because we can't use it. you know, they have street lights over on the m62 motorway on overnight to use up the electricity that has to be generated because you can't turn power stations off overnight. they have to produce a base load. so why not use that electricity in cars rather than wasting it in other ways ? it's wasting it in other ways? it's a very, very good point. >> and if anyone with a smart metre can see just how much cheaper electricity three cheaper electricity is at three in compared to six in the morning compared to six in the morning compared to six in the morning compared to six in the afternoon in the afternoon. brown, afternoon. but fraser brown, thank you so much for coming on and us through that.

and talking us through that. i think the only thing there is, what if don't have a drive? what if you don't have a drive? what can't charge what if you can't charge your car. yeah. coming car. well yeah. street coming up. not building time to >> councils not building time to leave leave the leave the echr time to leave the echr. said echr. rishi sunak has said that he for it, he would be up for it, potentially . potentially. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar , sponsors of weather on . solar, sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> hello and welcome to the latest forecast for gb news from the met office. a lot of clouds today and there will be showers for many of us as well, particularly in the south. further north, it's going to stay cold with this east to north easterly wind as low pressure away . a weak pressure moves away. a weak weather front bringing a legacy of cloudy skies for much of the country. some decent bright spells for the northwest of scotland and the south—east of england. in a few england. but in between a few showers , especially for the showers, especially for the north of scotland, where those showers snow showers will be falling as snow over across over the hills and across central southern england. central and southern england. wales, showers will be wales, where the showers will be heavy at times, particularly

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gb news. >> good afternoon. britain. it's 1:00 on thursday, the 4th of april. >> the nuclear option . rishi >> the nuclear option. rishi sunak has said he's prepared to withdraw from the european convention of human rights and its court if that's what it takes to stop the boats. last night, he said controlling immigration is more important than any foreign court. >> two tier justice british judges have been told to consider softening sentences for criminals if they happen to come from deprived or difficult backgrounds. so should poorer people spend less time behind bars? we'll be debating that question very shortly . question very shortly. >> and falklands threat the new maverick president of argentina has announced his roadmap to seize control of the british overseas territory of the falklands . should we be worried

falklands. should we be worried? >> what do you reckon is this patronising guff that poorer people, from deprived people, or those from deprived backgrounds softer backgrounds should get softer sentences, or is that just something that the justice system do ? take into system should do? take into account someone's background. take into account the difficulties they may have suffered as a child or, you know, in their young adult adulthood. >> if you kill someone , i don't >> if you kill someone, i don't care if you're rich or poor, you've killed someone . you you've killed someone. you should get the same sentence if you break and enter. i don't care if you're rich or poor. you've broken and entered. if you commit a grievous bodily harm to someone, doesn't matter if you're rich or poor, you've committed grievous bodily harm . committed grievous bodily harm. >> so it's a bit of an insult to people who have, who come from depnved people who have, who come from deprived and challenging backgrounds, who haven't resorted is it not the

resorted to crime is it not the bigotry of low expectations? it is a bit, isn't bigotry of is a bit, isn't it? bigotry of low expectations. good way of putting wonder what at putting it. i wonder what you at home think. do you think there's ever to give someone a ever a case to give someone a more lenient sentence because ever a case to give someone a more lehadt sentence because ever a case to give someone a more lehad a;entence because ever a case to give someone a more lehad a difficult because ever a case to give someone a more lehad a difficult life,iuse ever a case to give someone a more lehad a difficult life, ore they've had a difficult life, or they've had a difficult life, or they've poor they've come from a very poor background? perhaps they were background? perhaps if they were caught shoplifting or burglary or something like that, should you say, well, haven't got you say, well, they haven't got any patronising any money. so patronising because people who because there are people who come deprived come from very deprived backgrounds who would never, even backgrounds who would never, ever, ever even imagine for one second stealing from a shop. >> and i think the evidence is quite clear when we've interviewed people who run small shops , corner shops, who are in shops, corner shops, who are in charge of security and shops, they time and time again the they say time and time again the people stealing things, they're not them for not stealing them for themselves. not stealing not stealing them for themsbecause not stealing not stealing them for themsbecause they not stealing not stealing them for themsbecause they can stealing not stealing them for themsbecause they can eataling not stealing them for themsbecause they can eat them. them because they can eat them. right. it's not the it's not sort of cheap bits of food that get nicked off the shelves. it's the expensive items that do. it's people that want to sell them on. >> also, there's lots of rich people crimes let people who commit crimes to let us make this. us know what you make of this. we're be debating this we're going to be debating this question shortly, let's we're going to be debating this

queyour shortly, let's we're going to be debating this queyour headlines. .y, let's get your headlines. >> tom and emily, thank you very much. good afternoon from the newsroom . it's just much. good afternoon from the newsroom . it'sjust after 1:00. newsroom. it's just after 1:00. the headlines this lunchtime, the prime minister says britain could pull out of the european convention on human rights if it obstructs the government's rwanda . rishi sunak says rwanda plan. rishi sunak says controlling illegal migration is more important than membership of the echr, and that he would not let what he called the foreign interference of courts in sovereign matters . labour in sovereign matters. labour accused the prime minister of trying the right trying to appease the hard right of party. more than 600 of his party. more than 600 british legal experts, including three former supreme court judges, are calling on the uk to stop selling arms to israel. they say there is a plausible risk that the weapons may be used to commit serious violations of international law, and that the prime minister must change britain's policy. shadow business secretary jonathan reynolds says the government should publish the legal advice it's received on the uk's

arrangements, with israel. >> the law of the uk is very, very clear. if there is any possibility of anything exported from the uk being involved in a serious violation of humanitarian law, it cannot be exported from the uk. so the government will have had legal advice on that . specific to the advice on that. specific to the conflict in gaza, we've asked them publish that legal them to publish that legal advice. it would be, i think, a reasonable step given what has happenedin reasonable step given what has happened in the last few days and what has happened the and what has happened over the last make clear last few months to make clear the legal position and to make sure itself, and sure the government itself, and we currently complying with sure the government itself, and we law currently complying with sure the government itself, and we law .jrrently complying with uk law. >> meanwhile, the united nations has put its missions in gaza on hold while charities there review their humanitarian work in the region. it's after seven aid workers were killed by an israeli airstrike on monday . israeli airstrike on monday. they were part of a group from the world central kitchen organisation whose vehicles were hit while travelling an hit while travelling on an approved route. approved humanitarian route. among those who died were three british nationals john chapman, james henderson and james kirby.

the charity's founder has accused israeli forces of targeting its workers systematically car by car . systematically car by car. foreign editor of jewish news yotam confino told gb news earlier that a full investigation must now take place . place. >> whether this was systematic and deliberate , it actually and deliberate, it actually going after these aid workers . i going after these aid workers. i think that remains to be seen until the israel can really , until the israel can really, present some of its investigation fully to the world. but it makes no sense for israel to target this organisation because not only is it working closely with this organisation, it's actually helping them distribute the food that deliver cyprus . that they deliver from cyprus. >> back here in the uk, farmers are calling for a guaranteed bafic are calling for a guaranteed basic income after post—brexit arrangements left many worse off. at least 100 have joined a campaign group urging the government to help cover basic costs after of costs after the loss of subsidies from the european union. last year by the union. analysis last year by the organic farming group riverford

found that of britain's found that half of britain's fruit and vegetable growers may go within year go out of business within a year . it comes as suppliers are warning of higher prices and empty supermarket shelves due to new post—brexit border charges that will introduced at the new post—brexit border charges that of ll introduced at the new post—brexit border charges that of the introduced at the new post—brexit border charges that of the montthced at the new post—brexit border charges that of the month .ced at the new post—brexit border charges that of the month . there the new post—brexit border charges that of the month . there were end of the month. there were record levels of crime at co—op supermarkets last year, with reportedly more than 100 shop workers facing abuse from criminals in those shops every day. its annual report said that supermarket chain co—op says the level of retail crime incidents has soared by 44% in the space of just one year. it recorded more than 330,000 cases of shoplifting and antisocial behaviour at its food stores in 2023, which is the equivalent of 1000 cases every day . judges 1000 cases every day. judges have been told to consider more lenient sentences for offenders from deprived or from difficult backgrounds . the sentencing backgrounds. the sentencing council, which sets guidelines for judges and magistrates, has forjudges and magistrates, has forjudges and magistrates, has for the first time outlined

mitigating factors that it says courts should consider before handing sentence . those handing down a sentence. those factors include poverty, low education, discrimination and insecure housing. but critics say law should treat say the law should treat everyone equally, with justice secretary alex chalk describing those guidelines as patronising and inaccurate . weather news and and inaccurate. weather news and strong winds and heavy rain are set to hit parts of britain this weekend as storm kathleen rolls in. that's the 11th named storm in. that's the 11th named storm in just eight months. gusts of up to miles an hour are up to 70 miles an hour are expected on saturday along the west of england, with 50 west coast of england, with 50 miles hour expected miles an hour winds expected in other . the met office is other areas. the met office is urging people to take care with coastal areas also expecting to see waves . and finally, see large waves. and finally, the world's oldest man has died just two months before. would you believe it? he could have celebrated his 115th birthday. juan vicente perez was born in venezuela in 1909, nearly 20 years before even the first radio station started

broadcasting there. there were six british monarchs during his long lifetime and 20 us presidents. his death was announced by the governor of the region where he lived, who described him as a humble, hardworking peaceful man . hardworking and peaceful man. that's the latest from the newsroom for now. plenty more to come with tom and emily. until then, you can of course, sign up to gb news alerts scanning to gb news alerts by scanning the screen, or the code on your screen, or go to common alerts to gb news. common alerts. >> it's 108 in the afternoon and controlling illegal migration is more important than our membership of any foreign court. who said that? well, those are the words rishi sunak, our the words of rishi sunak, our prime gave maybe prime minister, who gave maybe his yet he's his strongest hint yet that he's willing to rip up the uk's international obligations to stop the boats and get the rwanda flights off the ground. well, he was speaking to the sun last night, the sun newspaper well, he was speaking to the sun last the 1t, the sun newspaper well, he was speaking to the sun last the prime sun newspaper well, he was speaking to the sun

last the prime minister'spaper well, he was speaking to the sun last the prime minister said er and the prime minister said illegal immigration offended his sense of fairness, adding that the rwanda scheme was fundamental to our sovereignty. >> although he sidestepped a question on whether he would pledge to leave the echr in the election manifesto. so there's the fundamental difference . he's the fundamental difference. he's saying that he believes rwanda can work , but if the echr were can work, but if the echr were to stop it , he can work, but if the echr were to stop it, he might leave it. >> it's very irritating, isn't it ? it? >> well, it's almost like they hint at things. >> you flirt with the idea , you >> you flirt with the idea, you try sort of convince the try and sort of convince the pubuc try and sort of convince the public you're tough and public that you're tough and you're getting tough and you'll do whatever it takes. but maybe then actually, in reality, you know, all these conservative politicians, all of these conservative politicians, all of these conse hinted politicians, all of these consehinted at politicians, all of these conse hinted at the politicians, all of these consehinted at the same, politicians, all of these conse hinted at the same, yet have hinted at the same, yet nothing seems to ever change. >> but maybe he's right. maybe the safety of rwanda bill, if it ever becomes an act of parliament, if the house of lords ever stopped their opposition it, maybe it would opposition to it, maybe it would be maybe doesn't need be enough. maybe he doesn't need to leave the echr not convinced. >> not convinced because people to leave the echr not convinced. >> istillonvinced because people to leave the echr not convinced. >> istill have ced because people to leave the echr not convinced.

>> istill have the because people to leave the echr not convinced. >> istill have the rightrse people to leave the echr not convinced. >> istill have the right to people will still have the right to appeal. know be appeal. i know it should be restricted in this bill, but in practice the lawyers are very clever indeed. should we head to westminster and speak to our political editor, christopher hope rishi sunak coming out hope so. rishi sunak coming out stronger , apparently, than he stronger, apparently, than he has previously, suggesting that we could perhaps ignore. leave the echr. what do you make of it ? >> 7- >> yeah, 7_ >> yeah, well. 7 >> yeah, well. hi. both. that's right. he's moving towards a position maybe of maybe reviewing membership of the echr the election. that's maybe where it's going . he's not there yet. it's going. he's not there yet. look at the language, though, from rishi sunak last night to the tabloid newspapers viewers, the tabloid newspapers viewers, the sun , sun tv. i do believe the sun, sun tv. i do believe that border security and making sure that we can control illegal migration is more important than membership of a foreign court, because it is fundamental to our sovereignty as a country . now sovereignty as a country. now he's a brexiteer. back in 2016, he's a brexiteer. back in 2016, he he campaigned sort of to leave the european union. he certainly voted to leave the european union and has made much

of that since then. for many, i think the idea of that a court in strasbourg can restrict what our own parliament orders to happen using uk law does go against the idea of that vote back in 2016, for some brexiteers leaving the echr, the strasbourg court, the foreign court described by the pm is a bit of tidying up loose ends from the brexit process. those on the left of the tory party would definitely disagree with that. with that, and in fact, many or some might resign from the were to happen. the cabinet were this to happen. and that's why he's showing a bit of leg to sun voters. and i went to number 10 today for gb news understand what he meant news to understand what he meant by that. they said that he's saying it came to it, if saying that if it came to it, if it came to it, and the echr was the block on the rwanda flights taking off after the after the middle april, we would middle of april, we would consider there's consider leaving. so there's a couple of conditional tenses in there to annoy you a bit. emily >> it is a bit annoying. yes, because the echr has blocked

deportations, so why was it not a big enough deal then ? a big enough deal then? >> well, that's that's the point , it's been seized on by tory mps on the right of the party, jonathan gullis is the party's new deputy chairman. he tweeted, retweeted the remarks last night and said britain will leave the echr if that's what it takes to stop the small boats. sunak he tells some readers he's adopting the language there, that we will leave if we have to, which is going a bit further. i think , going a bit further. i think, than the pm was in his interview with the sun. he's he's walking a line here. a quite a narrow line here. i think if if the tory party think if the if the tory party does fight on bid to leave does fight on on a bid to leave the echr that for some on the left of the party will be too much, and you will see we'll see resignations from the government. so he's trying to hold together talk to hold it all together and talk to a blue collar audience, a kind of blue collar audience, as would the who as he would see at the sun. who wants this to happen? >> interesting looking at >> it's interesting looking at the around the echr, the debates around the echr, because sometimes politicians

have been very upset when members of the government call this a foreign court. rishi sunak words, of course, were that this is a foreign court and border security matters more, chris, i want to show you a written question put forward by an snp politician , patrick an snp politician, patrick grady, who asked why on earth is the prime minister calling this a foreign cause? well rishi sunak had a very simple answer to that written question in parliament only last month, he said, because it's based in strasbourg . strasbourg. >> yeah. yes. >> yeah. yes. >> i mean, he first used his tome foreign court about about the turn of the year , an the turn of the year, an interview with me for gb news. he called it a foreign court , i he called it a foreign court, i think, yeah. as you say there, the pm is saying literally it's based in strasbourg defenders though the current status quo though of the current status quo would say because the uk has signed up to that court and we have representatives among the, the several dozen , just, just the several dozen, just, just judges who are in charge of the

rulings there . we are signed up rulings there. we are signed up to it. so we are part of it. it's kind of a supranational body that we have a stake in, but of course, he's right. literally, it's not in the uk. it's not in the former middlesex county court the supreme county court where the supreme court now based. it's not court is now based. it's not here, it's over there. therefore it's foreign, because the idea of foreign, for some people does sort of indicate a kind of otherness, which they don't like about but he's right. the pm about it. but he's right. the pm is correct. it's foreign. it's not here. >> yes, i'm sure some people would it's some kind of >> yes, i'm sure some people wou whistle it's some kind of >> yes, i'm sure some people wou whistle ,it's some kind of >> yes, i'm sure some people wou whistle , to some kind of >> yes, i'm sure some people wou whistle , to call|e kind of >> yes, i'm sure some people wou whistle , to call it kind of dog whistle, to call it a foreign court, but of course it is, christopher hope. thank you very political editor very much. our political editor live . live from westminster. >> well, should we get the thoughts now of former labour mp stephen pound, stephen, do you believe that the united kingdom could ultimately withdraw from the echr if they were to fundamentally blow up this rwanda legislation ? rwanda legislation? >> it would be absolute, total, utter, complete irrelevance on stilts if they left the echr.

>> the courts that are actually blocking around our own domestic courts and our own house of lords. and don't forget, we have he's on a judge , tim eich, who's he's on a judge, tim eich, who's the british representative at strasbourg . we're not doing any strasbourg. we're not doing any of look, reality of of this. look, the reality of this know in heart this is we all know in our heart of rwanda isn't of hearts that rwanda isn't going cannot work. going to work. it cannot work. >> and it's not the fault of strasbourg. in times of strasbourg. i always in times of trouble, turn to kenny rogers and, kenny rogers , the gambler. >> he's got those great lines. >> he's got those great lines. >> you've got to know to >> you've got to know when to hold them. got know hold them. you've got to know when to fold them. >> i have say to rishi, a he >> i have to say to rishi, a he gives the impression that he couldn't skin couldn't knock the skin off a rice pudding, doesn't give rice pudding, so he doesn't give the that he's tough the impression that he's tough on secondly, by on this issue. and secondly, by putting money those putting all his money on those cards he's cards marked rwanda. he's actually riding for a fall because ain't going to because it ain't going to happen. going to get happen. they ain't going to get the take them if the planes to take them off. if they going be they do, it's going to be blocked anyone. not blocked by anyone. it's not going blocked by judge ike going to be blocked by judge ike and colleagues and his colleagues in strasbourg. not and his colleagues in strouryurg. not and his colleagues in strour house not and his colleagues in strour house lords, not and his colleagues in strour house lords, our not by our house of lords, our supreme court. >> say stephen, >> stephen, you say stephen, you say irrelevance say the echr is an irrelevance here. did it not help ground here. but did it not help ground that first rwanda bound flight?

>> yeah. sorry >> yeah. sorry >> sorry, emily. i didn't say the echr was an irrelevant echr is very important. i'm with winston churchill on the importance of having this sort of standard of decency in europe. what i'm saying that europe. what i'm saying is that if you echr out of the if you took the echr out of the equation, don't honestly equation, you don't honestly think immediately equation, you don't honestly think a immediately equation, you don't honestly think a great immediately equation, you don't honestly think a great fleetimediately equation, you don't honestly think a great fleetimedakotas create a great fleet of dakotas and chinooks whizzing off to southern africa? it ain't going to happen . it's not the echr to happen. it's not the echr thatis to happen. it's not the echr that is blocking rwanda flights. it's british domestic legislators. >> yes, of course you're right as things stand. but that's precisely why the rwanda bill is currently going through parliament. the rwanda bill will will sit above any ruling from our own supreme court. this country isn't like america. this country isn't like america. this country isn't like a country with a codified constitution where there's an equal balance of powers between the legislature and the judiciary. in this country, parliament is sovereign, and it sits above the judiciary. so if parliament says this is what the law is, the supreme court has to follow that

up, not necessarily because the house of lords comes into play . house of lords comes into play. >> the house of lords is part of the judiciary, a part of the legislature. you're absolutely right. bill of right. we don't have a bill of rights country. i think rights in this country. i think maybe a of maybe we should have a bill of rights. know, we rights. i don't know, but we don't the present time, and don't at the present time, and parliament, in the name of the monarch, forget, monarch, let's not forget, is supreme. just as the monarch is supreme over parliament. so however, lords is however, the house of lords is an amending body and they can an amending a body and they can do mean, and i know do this. i mean, you and i know in all honesty i admire your i wouldn't say its naivety because you're shrewd to be you're far too shrewd to be called if you believe you're far too shrewd to be calleend if you believe you're far too shrewd to be calleend is if you believe you're far too shrewd to be calleend is going f you believe you're far too shrewd to be calleend is going to ou believe you're far too shrewd to be calleend is going to workelieve you're far too shrewd to be calleend is going to work ,ieve you're far too shrewd to be calleend is going to work , you your end is going to work, you know, i'd like. >> stephen stephen on >> i've got a stephen stephen on this think, this point. do you not think, therefore, that the house of lords block this bill? lords will block this bill? because every political commentator , every and, analyst commentator, every and, analyst indeed, the labour front bench indeed, the labour front bench in the house of lords are saying actually, eventually we'll let the rwanda bill go through, probably when parliament returns in just a couple of weeks time, if bill becomes an if that rwanda bill becomes an act of parliament passed by both the commons and the lords , it the commons and the lords, it sits supreme court. sits above the supreme court. >> yeah , that at the

>> yeah, yeah, that at the moment not everybody on the front bench is saying that. >> certainly the liberal democrats bench democrats on the front bench aren't and bishops aren't saying. and the bishops don't this don't forget we're in this bizarre uk. i bizarre situation in the uk. i think only other country is think the only other country is iran , where theological and iran, where theological and religious leaders the religious leaders sit in the legislature by right of theology. and don't forget that theology. and don't forget that the and the archbishop the bishops and the archbishop of canterbury would be very strong this. not strong about this. so it's not automatic, even it did automatic, but even if it did happen, in the best of happen, even if in the best of all worlds , you have happen, even if in the best of all situation/orlds , you have happen, even if in the best of all situation theis , you have happen, even if in the best of all situation the house| have happen, even if in the best of all situation the house ofave this situation the house of lords give roll over the law lords give in, roll over the law becomes law. it gets signed off by where they by the king. where are they going from? going to get the planes from? where are going to get the where are they going to get the people actually people to actually fly? everybody and are we everybody through? and are we really spend is everybody through? and are we reé100, spend is everybody through? and are we reé100, £120,000 spend is everybody through? and are we reé100, £120,000 per�*nd is everybody through? and are we reé100, £120,000 per person is it, 100, £120,000 per person when we should be spending that money on making the home office work, scrotes out of work, getting the scrotes out of here if they've got. >> stephen, i take your >> okay, stephen, i take your point as it stands, it's been very this plan and it very costly. this plan and it has not borne fruit. so what is your solution to this problem? because at the moment the labour party is just saying, oh, we'll smash the gangs, but the government is trying to do that

very thing. >> the labour is saying >> the labour party is saying much more than that. don't forget, when we're in power, what did we accepted the what we did was we accepted the fact, reality some fact, the reality that some people seeking in people who are seeking asylum in this country every right to this country have every right to that thinking that asylum. i'm thinking particularly of people who worked as interpreters for us in afghanistan and people who are coming from iran. if we sent them back, they'd be scimitars are on the are being sharpened on the tarmac minute the plane tarmac the minute the plane landed. people landed. so there's some people i'd get them into this i'd rather get them into this country legally paying country legally and paying tax to that, to to do that, we have to differentiate those differentiate between those people. all come up people. and you can all come up with the names of the types of the person we're talking about. you young guys in you know, the young guys in their really not their 20s who really should not be to the be here. we've got to make the sclerotic, incompetent home office the people office work so that the people who have a right to be here, we can them of the hotels can get them out of the hotels and get them contributing and we can get them contributing and we can get them contributing and tax rest of and paying tax and the rest of them, let's them in the back them, let's put them in the back of car, and drive them of my car, and i'll drive them back tomorrow. back to tirana tomorrow. >> can appeal >> well, i think they can appeal to though, can't they? >> they appeal their >> they can appeal to their courts. their human courts. it's against their human rights whatever rights to go back to whatever country stephen. country they came from. stephen. gosh. you. country they came from. stephen. gosdon't you. country they came from. stephen. gosdon't forgetj. country they came from. stephen. gosdon't forget what did last >> don't forget what we did last

time did we did the time was we did this. we did the sorting france. we actually sorting in france. we actually had interview offices in france. and it worked, and that's when it worked, because didn't even get because people didn't even get across the channel. look at the figures year of the figures for the last year of the labour a tiny labour government. it's a tiny proportion hundreds proportion of those hundreds of thousands of people who are flooding now. could flooding across now. you could say, conservatives say, no doubt the conservatives would say this country is a much better, big lure. it's better, bigger, big lure. it's more under more magnetic under the conservatives. rather conservatives. well, i'd rather we , to be we weren't that magnetic, to be perfectly honest. >> rather smaller >> you'd rather a smaller economy . economy. >> no. no, i'd rather a slightly smaller population. >> well there you go. there you go. on that bombshell . thank >> well there you go. there you go. on that bombshell. thank you very much indeed, stephen pound, always great to speak to you. former labour mp putting up a good fight. >> no, i think problem >> i say no, i think the problem with obviously with because obviously ideally we'd offshore processing with because obviously ideally we'cwe'd offshore processing with because obviously ideally we'cwe'd say, ;hore processing with because obviously ideally we'cwe'd say, yous processing with because obviously ideally we'cwe'd say, yous proce ifing with because obviously ideally we'cwe'd say, yous proce if you and we'd say, you know, if you if think to claim if you think you want to claim asylum come to asylum in the uk, you come to this we've got it in this centre, we've got it in france, turn up there, say your case and we'll let you in or you won't. the problem is the obugafions won't. the problem is the obligations we signed up to in the the agreed . and the 1950s. the un agreed. and that governs all of this. well, technically, under the terms of

that, hundreds of millions, potentially billions of people have the theoretical right. anyone who says they're oppressed by their government, that's all of china. so stephen of afghanistan, stephen says all the labour could just of afghanistan, stephen says all the labsyou could just of afghanistan, stephen says all the labsyou know,ould just of afghanistan, stephen says all the labsyou know, asylumt of afghanistan, stephen says all the labsyou know, asylum seekers deport, you know, asylum seekers who actually legitimate who aren't actually legitimate asylum see? what that >> but what do we see? what that happens? i think the conservative government doesn't want people who don't want to deport people who don't have a legitimate right to be here. they go to the courts. here. they can go to the courts. >> to come, of >> well, much more to come, of course. the courts course. speaking of the courts will be talking about the uk sentencing council . it's been sentencing council. it's been urging judges to go soft on criminals with from deprived backgrounds. well, is this right? that is the debate, the fiery debate we'll be having after this

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britain. now, judges have been told to consider more lenient sentences people , sentences for those people, those criminals who come from difficult or deprived backgrounds. now, lots of you have been getting in touch on this, and we're about to debate it, but i just want go to it, but i just want to go to some views. davey says. some of our views. davey says. poverty a hard life is not an poverty in a hard life is not an excuse for becoming a criminal. as youngest of five as the youngest of five children, died of children, my father died of cancer two. all cancer when i was two. all five of us brought by our mum of us were brought up by our mum and married, bought own and we married, bought our own homes, of homes, all by working. none of us trouble with the law. us were in trouble with the law. well says no. well jude says no. >> let's encourage them. make life for them and all the life easier for them and all the sooner they'll be completely running . and if you running the country. and if you don't want that, clamp down on the unruly, disruptive, uncaring families on to have families that go on to have children similar ilk that children of a similar ilk that are challenge police, are able to challenge police, teachers, she being teachers, shopkeepers, she being sarcastic there. i don't know if she's being sarcastic or not, but but i suppose you could say that that's a countering view saying just encourage saying if you just encourage these be as these families, they won't be as likely criminal. but likely to be criminal. but, but then , perhaps he is being then again, perhaps he is being sarcastic very sarcastic and mike asks a very interesting question will

criminals from privileged backgrounds receive tougher sentences? >> yes. if you were had a very had very rich parents, lived in a lovely area, went to private school, went off to oxbridge and then became a violent criminal. should you get a tougher sentence because you've had everything on a silver plate? yes. a silver spoon? yes. or a silver spoon? >> that interesting >> that is an interesting question. it'll be question. and i suppose it'll be much, i don't suppose that the sentencing council, who are the people behind this proposal, will be saying that. and the reason think they reason i don't think they will be this is all in one be is this is all in one direction. this is about direction. this is all about promoting ways in which fewer people go prison. why people can go to prison. why well, we're running out of prison spaces. right. >> well, let's have this debate. we're joined now by author we're joined now by the author of the hoods my years with of among the hoods my years with a teenage gang. harriet sergeant. thank you. who disagrees with the guidance? and by communities by the chair of communities against violence , ken haynes, against violence, ken haynes, who thinks there is a place for this. okay harriet, let's start with you. why think it's with you. why do you think it's a nonsense for there to be given lenient sentences if you come

from a poorer background? >> well, i mean, it's kind of the sentencing guidance council have gone in a means tested have gone in for a means tested sentencing. and what is this saying to the huge numbers of people from very poor and disadvantaged backgrounds who have managed not to commit a criminal offence? that's that what is you know, it's very deeply patronising towards them. and also it seems to entirely overlook which, let's face it, the criminal justice system does quite often the views of the victims in all of this now , if victims in all of this now, if you come from a disadvantaged background, you're twice as likely to be victim of rape or violence or robbery than if you come from a middle class background. and how are you going to feel if you are a victim and your next door neighbour, who's, i don't know, robbed you or whatever is suddenly given a more lenient sentence because of his background ? i mean, this is background? i mean, this is completely mad. >> well, let's throw that right

to ken hinds of the sentencing council. got their priorities wrong here. >> no, they've got it right because first of all, we're not talking about a crown court guidelines. >> we're talking about magistrates. and what the magistrates. and what the magistrates courts can do. they can give you up to six months imprisonment. and that's for a low level crime. and the crimes that i'm thinking about that should be differentiated is people doing shoplifting as a last resort. mothers who cannot afford to get nappies may go in and try to steal a pack of nappies . you've got other people nappies. you've got other people who are homeless that might want to go and steal a sandwich. we should not be sending them to prison, we're prison, but we're overrepresented in prison, where people that not be there people that should not be there and should be dealt with by community, other , sanctions. so community, other, sanctions. so i totally agree with this sanctioning body, because what i find with the magistrates, they do not have the same kind of lived experience or experience that a crown court judge would

have, and they're quick to sentence, send people to prison for, for nonsense, for little minor things. for, for nonsense, for little minor things . we need to stop minor things. we need to stop that. >> harriet. >> harriet. >> yeah, well, this is actually the sentencing council sought advice from magistrates and judges so that this is not just about magistrates. it's judges as well . and then they entirely as well. and then they entirely disregarded what the magistrates and judges said, and the magistrates and judges said, well, you know, actually we're already doing this, we're already doing this, we're already taking into account, people's backgrounds. we don't need to be told to do this. and it just seems to be a kind of, you know, a nanny state, sentencing that is telling everybody what should be done and not leaving it up to the judges and the magistrates. i have to agree. i mean, i, i've spent quite a lot of time in court with people and, and, the judges seem to me to know what they're doing and come to very fair decisions and take into

account all kinds of people's backgrounds . and i think that's backgrounds. and i think that's been done already. we don't need to prescribe what should be done. >> well, let's throw that back to ken. these judges know what they're doing. >> generally, the judges do know what they're doing. i'm talking about the crown court . i've got about the crown court. i've got very little faith in the in the, judges on the magistrates, circuit. i feel at the end of the day, they're too quick to send people to prison for minor indiscretion. even things like council tax or minor or road road offences, like , for driving road offences, like, for driving while disqualified and things of that nature . that is not what that nature. that is not what it's a different issue though, isn't it ? isn't it? >> that's a different issue, though, isn't it? because this is about whether you should get a more lenient sentence because you happen to have come from a very challenging or poor depnved very challenging or poor deprived background. now, there are lots of people who come from challenging backgrounds and haven't given to

haven't had anything given to them and have them on a plate and have suffered in their childhood who don't go to commit crimes. so don't go on to commit crimes. so is it double standards? is it this double standards? >> agree with you that >> no, i agree with you that yes, like in my household, i've got six brothers. they never went to jail. but i did. but and again we were from a challenging background, but the simple fact is, is that it all poverty can impact on us in different ways. but i felt at the end of the day, prison did me no good because first of all, i went in there for six weeks and i came back out and i came back out a more career criminal. when i came out doing much more severe things. and really wouldn't things. and i really wouldn't wish, my worst wish, wish that on my worst enemy , i felt that there's got enemy, i felt that there's got to ways , whether you to be other, ways, whether you call it soft, but any kind of sanction where you have to give up your weekends or whatever, doing community work is an imposed a burden onto you . and imposed a burden onto you. and that could be a learning for people. just as a first introduction into the criminal justice system, i believe that if you are from a disadvantaged

background, that you should be given greater, thought before you're sent to jail. you know, as a person who comes from a privileged background , that's my privileged background, that's my take on it. >> well, harriet, final word to you. >> i think it's a pretty. you're not on the sentencing council. frankly then some of these, these people who are . but the these people who are. but the other thing the sentencing council , says is, other thing the sentencing council, says is, is, counts as a disadvantage , which is poor a disadvantage, which is poor schooling. and i know myself from , you know, numerous people from, you know, numerous people that i've met and interviewed and befriended , that one of the and befriended, that one of the key things that pushes especially young boys into crime pushes them to drop out of school at the ages of 13 and 14 and into crime is not learning to read. but instead of making that an excuse later on, why aren't we actually doing something about teaching them to read in the first place? >> well, really interesting to get both of your perspectives on this, harriet sergeant and ken

haynes, great to speak to you both. i think there's a little bit of agreement there towards the i think i think >> well, i think i think actually was a really actually ken was making a really sensible point. what's the point of someone prison for of sending someone to prison for a two where they'll a month or two where they'll just other criminals, just meet other criminals, perhaps get more knowledge of the underworld and be the criminal underworld and be be a more hardened criminal at the end of it. >> but there's a different issue , isn't it? >> there's no reason that that wouldn't someone from wouldn't apply to someone from a well off background, or a or poorly . poorly off background. >> i mean, slightly different point different point that's slightly different against sending so many people to prison such short time, to prison for such short time, which think agree with. to prison for such short time, which coming agree with. to prison for such short time, which coming up,|ree with. to prison for such short time, which coming up, the with. to prison for such short time, whichcoming up, the president well, coming up, the president of he will of argentina says he will establish roadmap up towards establish a roadmap up towards the handing sovereignty establish a roadmap up towards th

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i >> -- >> good afternoon. britain. it's coming up to 20 to 2. and, goodness me, that debate on sentencing did get you talking. mark has written in to say , with mark has written in to say, with regard to your discussion regarding softer jail terms for the less privileged. i was trying to read that out without doing the introduction, but i couldn't think quickly enough. i feel current mitigation allows the judge to consider appropriate . however, appropriate sentencing. however, being very wealthy affords you the opportunity of engaging the very best counsel. that's something we didn't touch upon. that's a good point. rich people getting good lawyers.

>> point. that's >> that's a good point. that's a good says. good point, donna says. i totally disagree ken. we totally disagree with ken. we should treated equally should all be treated equally regardless background, regardless of our background, income, race, creed, colour, etc. and that includes etc. etc. and that includes punishment, she all punishment, she says. we all learn some early learn at some point in early life the difference between right some groups right and wrong. if some groups are given, are going to be given more lenient sentences, then the deterrent for that group becomes less effective, in less effective, resulting in more . yes, that's a very more crime. yes, that's a very good point, actually. >> and barbara says, i'm with you, tom, so thank you, barbara. she says, i'm the eldest of nine children, poor in the sight of many , but rich in love and moral many, but rich in love and moral high standards from my parents. i would not even think of stealing, and i think that is a really important point in all of this conversation , saying just this conversation, saying just because someone's poor, they're more to steal is a is more likely to steal is a is a soft bigotry . what we were soft bigotry. what we were talking about earlier, the bigotry of low expectations . bigotry of low expectations. >> barbara, what was it like growing up as one of nine? i imagine that was quite difficult, although lots of love, as you say, it must be nice having such massive

nice having such a massive family, andrea says. what if the person whom the crime is person against whom the crime is committed is from a disadvantaged background, but that proposal out ? that council this proposal out? or would a privileged sex offender, example, get offender, for example, get a harsher sentence for preying on someone fortunate? that's harsher sentence for preying on som i'm just imagining the sort of spider diagrams that were creating sort of on the sliding scales of wealth, plotting one against the other. it gets enormously complicated incrediblycrime. worse if you >> it's a crime. worse if you happen to be privileged. >> and how do you measure the wealth? income? is wealth? i mean, is it income? is it is it wealth? >> that's really into >> that's really getting into the gritty? the nitty gritty? >> richness love? >> is it richness in love? >> is it richness in love? >> richness in love? yes. you can be rich and no love and can be rich and have no love and no and be a total psychopath. >> actually, speaking of total psychopath , it's the president psychopath, it's the president of argentina has reignited. you love . you love actually love him. you love actually quite like javier milei. so, i just thought it was quite a fun segue, but the president of argentina has reignited the seemingly never ending row over

the by promising a new the falklands by promising a new roadmap for his country's takeover of south atlantic islands. >> yes. so, speaking on the 42nd anniversary of the argentinian invasion of the falklands, javier milei added that best the best tribute to argentines who lost their lives would be to defend the unwavering claim for argentinian sovereignty over the islands. >> however, a spokesman for our prime minister rishi sunak, responded by saying the issue had been decisively settled some time ago. >> well, let's get the thoughts now of lieutenant colonel stuart crawford, defence analyst and former british army officer stuart crawford. stuart what do you suspect this road map might look like ? would this be a full look like? would this be a full scale invasion or a more diplomatic route . good diplomatic route. good afternoon, i think that , the afternoon, i think that, the road map is probably, in his head and in his head only at the moment , the president is no moment, the president is no stranger to outlandish

statements, some of which , as statements, some of which, as tom has alluded, seem to make sense to me. but a road map to return the, falkland islands or malvinas, as he would call them, to argentina by the end of his presidency, seems to be a fantasy too far, and i don't think at the moment that there's any prospect of, a military invasion or anything like that, like we had in 1982. and the only route would be through diplomacy. and as lord cameron said just the other day , yet said just the other day, yet again, the falklands will remain british until the falkland islanders themselves decide that they don't want to be british citizens anymore. >> yes. and it is important to remember that in the referendum, the national referendum held in the national referendum held in the falkland islands in 2013, it was over 99% in favour of remaining british. just three people, just three people voted against the prospect. that's

nought. point nought. cling on to three. whatever it was, but but is there is there but stuart is there is there perhaps something that a lot of media is missing in this entire conversation in, in that javier milei within argentina is under a lot of pressure from opposition politicians saying, why aren't you more fervently in favour of taking these islands? because malay is someone who has praised margaret thatcher in the past. and so all of the left wing politicians in argentina say, you're not a real patriot, you're not a real argentine because you praised margaret thatcher. so, so he's almost pressured into taking this position . position. >> i think that's absolutely right. it's a favourite aspiration, if you like, of, argentinian politicians to recover the falkland islands . recover the falkland islands. and i think that to a certain extent, malay has been forced into making that sort of tub thumping , into making that sort of tub thumping, rousing into making that sort of tub thumping , rousing speech, if you thumping, rousing speech, if you like, on the anniversary of the

1982 invasion. but the truth of the matter is that argentina does not have the military force that it had back then, and i know that they are about to purchase 24 f—16 jet fighters from denmark, with the blessing of the us , who have the final of the us, who have the final say in where those us manufactured jets go. and the reason that the united states has done that is to prevent china, being the provider of jets to the south american that south american country . so south american country. so there's a lot of global politics involved in this as well. but in terms of military invasion, i don't think there's any chance of that in the near future. >> well, that's a relief. thank you for putting our you very much for putting our minds ease this afternoon. minds at ease this afternoon. a lieutenant stuart lieutenant colonel stuart crawford, always great to speak to well, there you to you, really. well, there you go. we can all we can all sleep tonight. >> argentina actually >> that argentina is actually moving out the orbit of the moving out of the orbit of the russias the chinas this russias and the chinas of this world. organisation russias and the chinas of this world. brics, organisation russias and the chinas of this world. brics, which ganisation russias and the chinas of this world. brics, which isnisation russias and the chinas of this world. brics, which is brazil,1 called brics, which is brazil, india , russia, china. and there india, russia, china. and there are going to be a whole host of

new countries joining it, including one the including argentina. one of the first milei did first things javier milei did when he became president was saying, no, thank you. i'm not going with china, not going to join with china, not going to join with china, not going join russia. going to join with russia. we want of the western alliance. >> he's your libertarian icon, isn't tom? you his isn't he, tom? you love his chainsaw for his chainsaw is great, but more politicians should chainsaws coming up. should have chainsaws coming up. is to on is being made to work on saturdays despite requesting them off for child care reasons. says racial discrimination. more on that

soon. >> good afternoon. britain. just coming up to 10 to 2. and an employment judge has rejected a woman's claims that she was being discriminated against on the basis of sex by london underground. why? she was being to work and being made to work on saturdays. despite requesting these days off for child care

reasons. yes. >> so she thought, oh, i've got a case here. sexism. well, the tribunal said there's no evidence a hypothetical male would have been treated any differently at all. however, she was awarded £2,700 in compensation as it was found the company did not act reasonably in the way it dealt with her request. so she got a little bit of cash. >> i think this is well, you could make any spurious claim against employer and get against your employer and get almost grand, like almost three grand, just like because sort of, because they're not sort of, i don't know, talking in a dull tone whatever. tone or whatever. >> that's how it works >> i think that's how it works these days. yes. >> joining >> that's me. well, joining us now this the now to discuss this is the journalist and author ella whelan, was a pretty whelan, ella, it was a pretty audacious claim this that time off was not granted. therefore it must be sexism . it must be sexism. >> well, it's quite an interesting case because , while interesting case because, while i think that the ruling is probably correct, there's no evidence that a man would have been treated differently , we been treated differently, we know that it is women who pick up most of the childcare responsibilities. whether

that's, you know, being the one who has to leave for the doctor's appointment or to pick up your kid when they inevitably are sick most of the time from nursery , so it kind of raises an nursery, so it kind of raises an interesting question about, about women in the workplace . about women in the workplace. and i actually think it's not the issue of her getting a couple of grand for, them handung couple of grand for, them handling it badly , isn't the handling it badly, isn't the thing that it's not the thing that interests me, the thing that interests me, the thing that interests me is the question of how can women organise their working life alongside their family life? this had been working in, this woman had been working in, this particular depot for a long time. she wasn't a newbie and had an arrangement with her bosses about specifically about childcare, because her partner was a bus driver, which, you know, had been working well for a long time and had come to an end.soi a long time and had come to an end. so i don't begrudge her trying to do something about it. i thing. i think the thing. >> go on, go on. >> sorry. go on, go on. >>— >> sorry. go on, go on. >> the interesting thing is, you

know, childcare and that whole row is going to be bigger in the next in this upcoming election. and the government has to has to decide what it wants from women, because there's two, two kind of lines coming out. because there's two, two kind of lines coming out . on the one lines coming out. on the one hand, there's very little support , for women organising support, for women organising their lives in the workplace around childcare. i mean, there's this whole row about the new sort of 30 hours funded. you don't to be party don't have to be a labour party supporter to that their supporter to know that their claims is going to claims that this is going to fail . i mean, nurseries claims that this is going to failshutting . i mean, nurseries claims that this is going to fail shutting allmean, nurseries claims that this is going to fail shutting all around|urseries claims that this is going to fail shutting all around|urse all are shutting all around me, all around everyone, there just simply isn't enough supply to meet the demand, so the childcare issue is a big one, but also, you know, we've just had a really massively irritating campaign, come out of nhs supported by government ministers, telling specifically women most of the time that they have to spend every single second with their baby or else they'll get mental health issues in later life. and andrea

leadsom saying that are leadsom saying that they are thousand and one days between pregnancy, not even when the baby's out, but pregnancy. and, you know, second year are sort of priceless. so pick one. are women meant to be in work and forget about the kids, or are you meant to forget about work and be a 24 over seven mum? that's very interesting to pull us in two directions like this. >> yeah, there are mixed messages because we've also got the of miriam mp the likes of miriam cates mp talking how important it talking about how important it is for women to have children and trying to think about ways in which the government can encourage to have as many encourage women to have as many children would like children as they would like to have. course there are have. but of course there are many. and then actually sometimes it is sometimes in workplaces it is difficult for women. but do you think employers should be think that employers should be told that they have to be lenient towards women with children? can we possibly move towards direction because towards that direction because that that would me as that that would worry me as well. you think ? well. what do you think? >> well, look, i mean, i want to get to a situation in which it's not just mum's job to pick up

all the childcare slack. i all of the childcare slack. i mean , that's not something mean, that's not something you can not can legislate for. that's not something an individual something that an individual employer can change. that's that's a social expectation, a norm that has to shift, and the more we talk about it, the more it will hopefully men in it will hopefully shift men in my generation now are much more involved in family life and child rearing than our parents generation, or indeed our grandparents generation. so those changing. those things are changing. but i mean , you could you could start mean, you could you could start by having three or at least extremely inexpensive , high extremely inexpensive, high quality state provided childcare on a on a big national scheme in terms of. >> but it's interesting you say this is this is about culture as well and how people in their own families things out. so families work things out. so maybe men need to step up to the plate. you ella, we're plate. thank you ella, we're going leave it there. going to have to leave it there. but talk to you. ella but great to talk to you. ella whelan author whelan there. who is an author and the government keeps >> well, the government keeps promising childcare, but promising future childcare, but then realise it's promising future childcare, but then expensive realise it's promising future childcare, but then expensive toalise it's promising future childcare, but then expensive to deliver s promising future childcare, but then expensive to deliver . and very expensive to deliver. and what's perhaps the worst thing here, these ratios where you're only allowed certain numbers of

children per caregiver. these are some of the tightest ratios in england, compared to even scandinavian countries, but much more . coming up, we'll more to come. coming up, we'll be talking about the echr. should we leave it? stay with . us. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello again and welcome to the gb news forecast with the met office. further rain arrives overnight. it's going to stay cold in the north and as the rain moves into scotland, there will be some disruptive snow over the hills north of the central belt. a number of systems coming our way over the next few days. the next low bnngs next few days. the next low brings spells of rain and hill snow across the uk, and then another low for the weekend. storm kathleen, named by met eireann the strongest eireann because the strongest winds will be for the republic of it will be of ireland, but it will be blustery nevertheless, blustery overnight nevertheless, with in places. blustery overnight nevertheless, with spells in places. blustery overnight nevertheless, with spells of in places. blustery overnight nevertheless, with spells of rain, in places. those spells of rain, particularly affecting northern and parts of and western parts of the

country, the north country, although the far north of staying clear of of scotland staying clear of that with touch in that with a touch of frost in places. central places. but it's across central scotland where the risk scotland where there's the risk of start off of disruption as we start off friday. rain disruption for lower parts of the central belt and for higher parts of the central belt and into central scotland . the risk of some scotland. the risk of some disruptive snow to ten disruptive snow up to ten centimetres or so above 300m could cause some issues. first thing that peters out through the it stays cold in the day and it stays cold in northern scotland, but elsewhere it's mild day. early rain it's a mild day. early rain clears to showers, some sunny spells downpours , spells in between the downpours, with highs of 18 or even 19 celsius towards the southeast. another blustery day on saturday. in fact, it becomes increasingly windy as heavy rain moves north across scotland and northern ireland. first thing replaced by showers, some sunshine in between the showers . sunshine in between the showers. the wind will be strong with gusts of 50 to 70 miles an hour for western britain and northern ireland, but it will also be a warm wind. highs of 20 or 21 celsius that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers . from boxt boilers. >> sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> good afternoon. britain it's 2:00 on thursday, the 4th of april. >> the nuclear option. rishi sunak has said he's prepared to withdraw from the european convention on human rights. if that's what it takes to stop the boats. last night, he said controlling illegal immigration is important than any is more important than any foreign court. you believe foreign court. do you believe him ? him? >> two tier justice british judges have been told to consider softening sentences for criminals if they happen to come from deprived or difficult backgrounds . should poorer backgrounds. should poorer people spend less time behind bars ? is that coming up and bars? is that coming up and falklands threat? >> the new maverick president of argentina has announced his roadmap to seize control of the british overseas territory. should we be worried?

do you think rishi sunak serious about the echr , about leaving it about the echr, about leaving it or ignoring it, or withdrawing our membership? >> there's two schools of thought here. number two. only two. i think there's three. there are only two possible opinions. >> okay. >> okay. >> right. go on, try us. >> right. go on, try us. >> number one, rishi sunak cares more about his next job, his global travelling perhaps i regulating job after he leaves the house of commons, after he loses the election. that school of thought number one school of thought number two is actually things are so desperate for the tories they want to avoid so desperately the 1997 style defeat that this poll that came out yesterday , this yougov poll out yesterday, this yougov poll pretty profound and large mrp poll. they want to avoid that outcome. and perhaps the only way to do that is to squeeze the

reform vote. and the reform party is up to 13, 14, even 15 points in some polls now , add points in some polls now, add that to the tories, and the gap goes from 20 to 6, seven points. >> the third school of thought is he's just saying what the sun , what he thinks the sun readers want the readers of the want to hear. the readers of the sun newspaper, because that's what saying this to. what he was saying this to. although has similar although he has said similar things past. do things in the past. but i do think this probably the think this is probably the toughest he's sounded when it comes has comes to the echr he has previously seemed to tell us all that no, we don't need to think about that because this bill will do the job others suella braverman robert jenrick, for example, said actually , if example, have said actually, if we don't, your bill is going to be a bit useless . be a bit useless. >> yes. well, it will be very, very interesting to see what actually happens. and this is another, another reason why i think not to see think we're not going to see a general election until we get a couple of flights off ground couple of flights off the ground and people off to rwanda. >> well, keep views coming >> well, keep your views coming in. do you think rishi sunak does bottle to take does have the bottle to take us

out the should he even out of the echr? should he even or be the wrong move ? or would that be the wrong move? let gb views gb news. let us know. gb views gb news. com your headlines. com but first your headlines. >> tom and emily, thank you very much. and good afternoon from the newsrooms just after 2:00. and i want to start with some breaking news that we're getting and i want to start with some bretofng news that we're getting and i want to start with some bretof the iews that we're getting and i want to start with some bretof the west hat we're getting and i want to start with some bretof the west midlands getting and i want to start with some bretof the west midlands this ng out of the west midlands this afternoon, been afternoon, that a woman has been arrested after a retired vet was allegedly mauled to death by dogsin allegedly mauled to death by dogs in his garden in warwickshire . we understand that warwickshire. we understand that anthony harrington harrington, who was 77, was found unconscious with severe bite injuries. seven dogs were seized since that incident, including one that was believed to be mr harrington's pet, leading to the arrest of another 75 year old woman in warwickshire. police have said they are continuing to investigate what they have described as that tragic incident . in other news, the incident. in other news, the prime minister says that britain could pull out of the european convention on human rights if it obstructs the government's

rwanda plan. rishi sunak says controlling illegal migration is more important than membership in the echr, and he would not let what he called the foreign court interfere in sovereign matters. labour has accused the prime minister of trying to appease the hard right of the conservative party more than 600 british legal experts, including three former supreme court judges, are calling on the uk to stop selling arms to israel. they say there's a plausible risk the weapons may be used to commit serious violations of international law, and that the prime minister must change britain's policy. prime minister must change britain's policy . the shadow britain's policy. the shadow business secretary, jonathan reynolds, says the government should publish the legal advice it's received on the uk's arrangements israel on the arrangements with israel on the law of the uk is very, very clear. >> if there is any possibility of anything exported from the uk being involved in a serious violation of human korean law, it cannot be exported from the uk . so the government will have uk. so the government will have had legal advice on that specific to the conflict in

gaza. we've asked them to pubush gaza. we've asked them to publish that legal advice. it would be, i think, a reasonable step given what has happened in the last few days and what has happened the few happened over the last few months to clear legal months to make clear the legal position make sure the position and to make sure the government and are government itself, and we are currently law . currently complying with uk law. >> well, we've heard today that leicester city council says sensitive information has been posted online by a known ransomware group after it was stolen in a cyber attack. the local authority was the victim of a hack last month and that forced it to shut down it systems . it's now confirmed that systems. it's now confirmed that confidential documents have been published by that group of hackers, including rent statements and id details. the group is known to have also attacked a number of other government, education and health care organisations , and the care organisations, and the national cyber security centre is involved in the ongoing criminal investigation . british criminal investigation. british farmers are calling for a guaranteed basic income after post—brexit arrangements left many worse off. at least 100

have joined a campaign group urging the government to help cover basic costs after the loss of subsidies from the european union analysis last year. by the organic farming group riverford found that half of britain's fruit and vegetable growers may go out of business within just a year , and it comes as suppliers year, and it comes as suppliers are warning of higher prices and empty supermarket shelves due to a border charge, a new post—brexit border charge, which will be introduced at the end of the month . judges have end of the month. judges have been told to consider more lenient sentences for offenders from deprived or difficult backgrounds as the sentencing council, which sets guidelines for judges and magistrates, has forjudges and magistrates, has forjudges and magistrates, has for the first time outlined mitigating factors that it says court should consider before handing down a sentence . those handing down a sentence. those factors include poverty, low education, discrimination and insecure housing. but critics say the law should treat everyone equally, with the justice secretary, alex chalk , justice secretary, alex chalk, describing those guidelines as patronising and, he says, inaccurate . that the french inaccurate. that the french president says that he has no

doubt that russia will target the paris olympics. this summer, threatening the security of the games. emmanuel macron was speaking during an event in paris earlier for the inauguration of the new olympics aquatic centre in paris, russian and belarusian athletes are set to compete as so—called neutral participants in the games this summer, amid tensions following russia's invasion of ukraine. strong winds and heavy rain are set to hit parts of britain this weekend as storm kathleen rolls in the 11th named storm in just 18 months. eight months, rather, gusts of up to 70mph are expected on saturday along the west coast of england, with 50 mile an hour winds also expected in other areas. the met office is urging people to take care with coastal areas also expecting to see large waves . expecting to see large waves. and finally, before we head back to tom and emily, the world's oldest man has died just two months before he would. could you believe it , have celebrated you believe it, have celebrated his 115th birthday. one vicente perez was born in venezuela in

1909, nearly 20 years before the first radio station started broadcasting there . well, there broadcasting there. well, there were six british monarchs during his long lifetime and 20 us presidents. his death was announced by the governor of the region where he lived, who described him as a humble, hardworking man . hardworking and peaceful man. for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts. just scan the code on your screen or go to gbnews.com/alerts . go to gbnews.com/alerts. >> good afternoon britain . it is >> good afternoon britain. it is 208 now. the prime minister has hinted at ripping up the uk's international obligations to get rwanda flights off the ground andindeed rwanda flights off the ground and indeed stop the boats. that's his plan. speaking to the sun newspaper, rishi sunak said that controlling illegal immigration is more important than our membership of any foreign court. >> but he sidestepped a question

on whether he would pledge to leave the echr in its entirety in his next election manifesto . in his next election manifesto. >> well, we can now get the thoughts of political correspondent at the spectator . correspondent at the spectator. james heale what do you make of this? sunak said and this? what rishi sunak said and what didn't say ? what he didn't quite say? >> well, it was interesting. i mean, i know there's a live debate within the conservative parliamentary party and also in rishi own downing street rishi sunaks own downing street team about whether or not there ought be something this ought to be something like this withdrawing from the european court human the court of human rights in the next manifesto , and a sort next tory manifesto, and a sort of kind replicate in of way to kind of replicate in 2019 sense of 2019 that sense of anti—establishment of anti—establishment forces, of proving on the side proving that they're on the side of people who want to take migration seriously. of migration seriously. and of course, which course, it's an area of which the very much the labour party is very much augned the labour party is very much aligned legal aligned with the legal establishment there's kind establishment. so there's a kind of here, of political argument here, which have it as which is that if you have it as a issue , it's a real a live issue, it's a real debate, and you pledge that in a manifesto be able to manifesto that might be able to attract of those 2016 manifesto that might be able to attrac'voters of those 2016 manifesto that might be able to attrac'voters who of those 2016 manifesto that might be able to attrac'voters who haveiose 2016 manifesto that might be able to attrac'voters who have now 2016 leave voters who have now deserted party, seen deserted the party, having seen where are where the conservatives are doing the last few years. doing over the last few years. so it's an attempt kind of

so it's an attempt to kind of replicate 2019 brexit so it's an attempt to kind of replicfactor, 2019 brexit so it's an attempt to kind of replicfactor, buti19 brexit so it's an attempt to kind of replicfactor, but i9 brexit so it's an attempt to kind of replicfactor, but i9 awaitt so it's an attempt to kind of replicfactor, but i9 await to done factor, but i will await to see if it actually comes out with that, because there's a minority of the parliamentary party, hundreds so. one party, about hundreds or so. one nafion party, about hundreds or so. one nation already nation tory mps have already made it very clear that they don't in any don't want this in any manifesto. yeah >> 2019 conservative >> the last 2019 conservative manifesto had a unified position on brexit. all the mps agreed with it. they were made to sign something before saying they will vote for the deal. after so many deal defeats in parliament in the preceding months, i wonder that was such a live issue that was the forefront of political debate and that most people in the country, almost everyone in the country, had an opinion on echr doesn't seem opinion on the echr doesn't seem to that position in terms to be at that position in terms of the forefront of debate. political anoraks really care about it. but to the average voter on the streets, is it necessarily at the forefront of what they're thinking about? >> i quite agree with you, tom, and i think you've got to remember, of course, that that election was fought around an actual democratic which actual democratic mandate, which was we had was the 2016 result, and we had a vote. 17.4 million people

a big vote. 17.4 million people have voted leave in that. this is a very different sort of, as you're saying, there quite a sort of esoteric debate in some ways international. ways about international. >> because if you >> no, actually, because if you phrased such leave phrased it in such a way, leave the deport the echr to deport foreign criminals or leave the echr to stop boats , as you can see stop the boats, as you can see how it could mobilise that would be a lot of public opinion, though. no, but if it was presented in that way, not specifically as a question , but specifically as a question, but if it was presented by the politicians in such a way, i mean, people did that with brexit, vote, brexit to stop immigration, vote brexit to get cheaper goods , stop, stop cheaper goods, stop, stop immigration, okay? it's not stop immigration, okay? it's not stop immigration to reduce immigration. you see what i mean, james? you see what i mean? james you could phrase it in such a way that people would think, oh yes, absolutely , think, oh yes, absolutely, absolutely right. >> completely with >> and i completely agree with you i was you there. i think what i was saying was that we had that referendum, saying was that we had that referend|followed after that. election followed after that. and so there was a very simple thing, the tories thing, which was even the tories who like brexit there who didn't like brexit and there were remainers, were some tory remainers, you know, party know, still are in the party

today, said hands up. you today, they said hands up. you know, and know, we lost that fight and we're along we're willing to go along with that. one. i'm not sure that. this one. i'm not so sure that, how whole thing would that, how the whole thing would shake out and there isn't that kind referendum. kind of totemic referendum. we haven't so i think haven't had that yet. so i think that feel lot that reason tories feel a lot more it . the more sceptical about it. the other well, emily, of other thing as well, emily, of course remember course you've got to remember the here the elephant in the room here is about friday agreement, about the good friday agreement, and into law . and that is written into law. the membership is a part the echr membership is a part of that. tories really that. do the tories really want to and the kind of to go and open the kind of pandora's all of that pandora's box of all of that again, when they pandora's box of all of that agai the when they pandora's box of all of that agai the last when they pandora's box of all of that agai the last electionien they pandora's box of all of that agai the last electionien getting won the last election on getting brexit done? and hang on a second, are going to spend second, are we going to spend years europe years negotiating with europe once and into once again and getting into issues irish sea issues around the irish sea border friday border and good friday agreement, that agreement, etc? and for that reason, the kind reason, i think that's the kind of things stopping final of things stopping it. final reason well, rishi reason i'd say is, well, rishi sunak of course, came into office and sold himself as a dealmaker. he was someone who got the windsor framework up and running, negotiations running, who signed negotiations with europe, america, etc. cptpp does he really want to kind of go against all of that and be what boris johnson was, which was kind of anti international community, very happy to of community, very happy to kind of rile tensions, fight rile up tensions, have a fight with international with the international

community. i'm a bit more sceptical that. think by sceptical of that. i think by temperament, his politics and temperament, by his politics and by weak political by his relatively weak political position, those are all factors against backing this against rishi sunak backing this kind of move. >> i think that's right. >> i think that's right. >> yet and yet the direct >> and yet and yet the direct quotes last night was he wouldn't let any foreign court get in the way of controlling migration into this country or controlling illegal migration into this country. that doesn't necessarily mean that he would be committed to leaving it. he could, as previous prime ministers as previous rules based prime ministers have done, ignore for a ruling of the echr after rule. that's what david cameron did on one occasion. >> yes, he could absolutely do that. there's also, you know, before the nuclear option of pulling out, i think the uk government is exploring different ways which it can different ways in which it can kind mechanisms to kind of find legal mechanisms to overcome those strasbourg injunctions. not at injunctions. so we're not at that . the other thing, that stage yet. the other thing, of course, tom, is that he could put manifesto. well aware put in a manifesto. well aware that likely lose that he looks likely to lose and lose, badly. but then lose, but less badly. but then he wouldn't have to actually go ahead this commitment, the ahead with this commitment, the interesting ahead with this commitment, the intsinssting

ahead with this commitment, the intsin an1g ahead with this commitment, the intsin an election campaign is be in an election campaign is whether like 1997, whether we see a bit like 1997, when mps completely when some tory mps completely defiled party and of defiled the party and sort of made up their own policy on the on the euro, which was the big made up their own policy on the on that uro, which was the big made up their own policy on the on that the which was the big made up their own policy on the on that the time.| was the big made up their own policy on the on that the time. and the big made up their own policy on the on that the time. and you big made up their own policy on the on that the time. and you had thing at the time. and you had dozens of tory candidates, including, david including, i believe, david cameron, future prime minister, basically we're commit major says we're going to commit to vote against the euro. and so you see in campaign you could see in this campaign people going know, whatever people going, you know, whatever the want the prime minister says, i want to echr and i'm to pull out the echr and i'm going own going to make that my own manifesto in their local manifesto pledge in their local election leaflets. so that's something to watch, think something to watch, i think perhaps, certainly the perhaps, but it's certainly the big, line out of the prime big, news line out of the prime minister's interview. and i think that tory think that shows that the tory mps currently mps are now currently thinking, what control what do we actually have control over? turn the over? we can't turn around the economy the economy quickly. this is the thing the likely thing we've got the most likely chance law. chance of actually law. >> think right. >> yes, i think that's right. thank much indeed. >> yes, i think that's right. thank heale much indeed. >> yes, i think that's right. thank heale , much indeed. >> yes, i think that's right. thank heale , political�*ndeed. james heale, political correspondent the spectator. correspondent at the spectator. always get your always great to get your analysis on such topics. i don't think he's got in him. i think he's got it in him. i don't think it would fit with his politics. think that's the his politics. i think that's the main . no, i think main point. no, i think with rishi politics. rishi sunak politics. >> i do think what >> but, but i do think what james said there that individual mps like in 1997, how individual conservative said were

conservative mps said were against the eu even though the party wasn't at that place at that ? could it be that that time? could it be that individual conservative put individual conservative mps put out their own individual manifestos on this issue? well why don't we ask one? we're joining us now is the conservative member of parliament for shipley, philip davies, philip, do you think you or your colleagues might put their own communication out on issues such as the echr that might differentiate or differ from the main party, well, possibly it wouldn't be the first time i've done that. >> i've. i think i do that at every election to be perfectly honest. >> so, i've always always >> so, i've always i've always been our membership of been against our membership of the convention on human the european convention on human rights. it's a complete waste of time. and the courts are a joke to perfectly honest, i don't to be perfectly honest, i don't actually is actually think this this is massive news, actually, about the prime minister. it's not. it's certainly not a shock, because if anyone looks at the front rwanda bill, any front of the rwanda bill, any bill that the government brings forward , it has to make forward, it has to make a commitment that it's that it

complies with the european convention of human rights. every bill has this certification on it before it's brought the house of brought before the house of commons on the rwanda bill. i'll read you what it says on the front of the rwanda it front of the rwanda bill. it actually james actually says, secretary james cleverly has made the following statement, i am unable to make a statement, i am unable to make a statement that, in my view, the provisions of the safety of rwanda asylum and immigration bill are compatible with the convention rights, but the government nevertheless wishes the house to proceed with the bill. so the government's already making clear that, in its view, the rwanda bill is outside of the scope of the european convention of human rights. but it's cracking on with it anyway. so i think the prime already already prime minister's already already made clear he's not made it clear that he's not going let the european going to let the european convention stop convention of human rights stop him illegal immigration. that's very point . we >> that's a very good point. we were speaking to stephen pound, the labour mp, a little the former labour mp, a little earlier in the show, and he was saying wouldn't make the saying it wouldn't make the blindest difference, blindest bit of difference, really, rwanda really, to the rwanda deportation out of deportation plan. getting out of the echr, he said. it's our

courts that are holding it up. >> yeah. and that's that's true . >> yeah. and that's that's true. and tom made the very good point earlier that actually we can just, ignore the rulings from the european court of human rights. they've got no mechanism for enforcing them. and perhaps we should be a bit more robust in doing that when they make stupid they stupid decisions as they regularly yeah, don't regularly do. so, yeah, i don't really this is, massive really think this is, massive news, but but, you know, i mean, i'm against the european court of human rights. i think it's a joke court. we'd be better off out of it. but i don't think it's the be all and end all in terms of with illegal terms of dealing with illegal immigration, and you might yourself communication yourself put out a communication at election that, at the election saying that, that you personally believe in, in withdrawing . in withdrawing. >> yeah. well, i've always i've always made that clear. i've never hidden that view, so i'm quite happy to. >> did, we did originally. >> i'm happy to reiterate it to anyone who asks. let's let's let's move on to this other big issue of today, though, because the council the sentencing council has suggested should suggested that judges should consider softer sentences for offenders from deprived or what

they describe as challenging background . background. >> and should we soften up sentences for people , based on sentences for people, based on the basis of their birth ? the basis of their birth? >> now, this is this is completely unacceptable , tom, completely unacceptable, tom, it's an absolute outrage, to be perfectly honest. you've got 15 unelected, unaccountable members of sentencing council, in of the sentencing council, in effect, the great and the good of the liberal. elite in the in the legal profession, in effect, deciding themselves on, on a no bafis deciding themselves on, on a no basis whatsoever that they've decided that for a whole swathe of the population, they can now get lighter sentences. if you've experienced discrimination get lighter sentences. if you've experiehadi discrimination get lighter sentences. if you've experiehad aiiscrimination get lighter sentences. if you've experiehad a negative ition get lighter sentences. if you've experie had a negative experience you've had a negative experience of authority. i mean, what on earth does that mean? you know, you basically if you're if you got told off by your teachers when ten years old, when you were ten years old, does you a lighter does that mean you get a lighter sentence now you an sentence now that, you know, an earlier experience a earlier experience of being a locked after child? i mean, as as people know, esther was in care for the first part of her life. should she get softer sentences because of that, because she commits a crime. now

it's all these things, the patronising and the completely unacceptable and i they've lost the plot, these people at the sentencing council. >> well, you're not the only one to back. alex chalk, to hit back. alex chalk, the justice course, he justice secretary. of course, he said guidance is patronising said the guidance is patronising too. inaccurate . it too. he said it's inaccurate. it risks making poor schooling and poverty offenders to poverty excuses for offenders to commit further crimes. do you think could almost think that this could almost encourage people to commit crimes? they a lesser crimes? they might get a lesser sentence ? sentence? >> yeah, well look, i, i put in an objection to these proposals when during the consultation, as did which they've did alex chalk, which they've completely ignored. but yes, i mean, you make a good point there, emily, that actually this mitigation can used every mitigation can be used every time somebody commits a crime, even if it's the 35th time they've in this they've appeared in court, this mitigation will still able to mitigation will still be able to be single time. and be used every single time. and it would apply to every crime as well. i mean, there are some people don't happen to agree people i don't happen to agree with there people with them. there are some people who say, well, look, if you're if deprivation and you if you're in deprivation and you commit , that commit shoplifting, that might be that be be a mitigation that should be taken consideration . i

taken into consideration. i mean, i don't think it should, but people might that but some people might make that case. applies to every case. this applies to every single commit. single crime you commit. you know, and stab know, you go along and stab somebody with knife or you somebody with a knife or you rape can use the rape somebody. you can use the fact that you live in deprivation or you had a negative experience of authority when you were younger to get to get a lighter sentence on the back this is completely back of it. this is completely nuts. and these are political decisions, not legal decisions. and i would say to the 15 members of the sentencing council, many of them judges and lawyers, you if they want lawyers, you know, if they want to pursue this kind of policy, they can actually stand for election like the rest of us and make their argument to the electorate , not try and sneak in electorate, not try and sneak in their left political views their left wing political views through the back door because of the that they've got. the position that they've got. these not people speaking as these are not people speaking as lawyers. as lawyers. they're speaking as lefties pursue lefties who are trying to pursue their own political agenda. and it's outrageous. >> philip , the >> and yet, philip, the sentencing was sentencing council was established in 2010, albeit from the labour government that legislated for it, but it was officially started working in 2010. if the conservatives had

been so irritated by this sort of structure that once sir keir starmer himself sat upon and made rules through, if the conservatives are really upset by these sort of liberal lawyers making all of these rules, why don't you change the structure? why don't you abolish the sentencing council? why don't we go back to how it was done before the labour party changed the ? the rules? >> yeah, i agree with you, tom. i'd abolish the sentencing council tomorrow , to be council tomorrow, to be perfectly honest, i might have that on my election literature as well, just just to go the whole hog. yeah but i think this is massive overreach. i mean, they've never they've never gone this far before. well, you're right, this was a blairite creation in 2003. it changed its name effect in in 2010 from name in effect in in 2010 from the sentencing guidelines name in effect in in 2010 from the sent0|cing guidelines name in effect in in 2010 from the sento the] guidelines name in effect in in 2010 from the sento the sentencing council to the sentencing council to the sentencing council . that's all council to the sentencing council. that's all did council. that's all it did really, its name, but really, was change its name, but yeah, this is completely yeah, i mean, this is completely unacceptable. this is complete overreach , and, you know, unless overreach, and, you know, unless they get back down from this, i

do genuinely think we are going to have to look at, abolition of the sentencing council because this is this is not acceptable in a, in a democracy for people unelected and unaccountable to be making these kind of political decisions. >> well, there you go . thank you >> well, there you go. thank you very much indeed, philip davies. always to mp always great to speak to you. mp for shipley, interesting for shipley, it's interesting because we were discussing, oh, maybe this is because of practical issues. we have overcrowding in our prisons . overcrowding in our prisons. more lenient sentences might free up more space. but actually, philip , they're saying actually, philip, they're saying this is very much ideological. actually, philip, they're saying this people much ideological. actually, philip, they're saying this people on ch ideological. actually, philip, they're saying this people on ch issentencing the people on the sentencing council have a view the council have a view of the world, a view of what makes world, have a view of what makes a criminal have view on, you a criminal have a view on, you know, sociology, know, perhaps sociology, psychology , etc, etc. making excuses. >> one these kwasi autonomous >> one of these kwasi autonomous non—government organisations or quangos that seem to just run everything in britain right now. it doesn't almost it almost doesn't matter who you elect, because actually the people that decide treasury policy are the obr . actually people that decide obr. actually people that decide sentencing policy are the sentencing council . actually, in

sentencing council. actually, in just about every corner of government policy, there's some arm's length body that's deciding everything. and the politicians we elect sit there helpless. >> some conservatives oh , >> some conservatives say, oh, there needs to be a march back through institutions . that's through the institutions. that's what they say. anyway, coming up, a funeral directors in hull is under investigation. one man is under investigation. one man is accusing them of giving him the wrong ashes. this is quite incredible. we're going to bring you the very latest after this short

break. all right. it's 226. you're watching and listening to good afternoon, britain. now there is shortly. there is due to be a press conference about the investigation into legacy funeral . funeral directors. >> yeah. this is an extraordinary story. last month, police arrested two people, removed 35 bodies from the funeral directors over concerns

about the storage and management processes at this hull based firm. now, why precisely did they remove 35 bodies? well, the story is extraordinary. here to tell us more is the yorkshire and humber reporter for gb news, anna riley, anna ahead of this press conference, just remind us about the gruesome details here. >> yes. well good afternoon. this press conference is being held by humberside police. almost a month on since investigations. first started into legacy funeral directors as few, material has actually been released. we've not heard that much. we do know that 35 bodies and a quantity of ashes were removed from the firm's hessle road branch in hull and moved to another mortuary. there was a cordon around there and also the two other branches on anlaby roadin two other branches on anlaby road in hull and also their branch in beverley . following

branch in beverley. following police investigations, we know that a 46 year old man and a 23 year old woman were arrested on suspicion of prevention of a lawful and decent burial fraud by false representation and fraud by abuse of position. they have been released on bail as police investigations continue and police have also set up a helpline as well for families that they believe that have been affected by this case. they've received more than 1500 calls since that was set up , but received more than 1500 calls since that was setup, but as since that was set up, but as far as we know, it's 35 bodies that were removed from the mortuary and a quantity of ashes. and people have spoken to the media as well. grieving families . and one gentleman families. and one gentleman believes that it wasn't his wife's ashes that were given to him after the funeral , another him after the funeral, another woman spoke out to the media and said that she believed she kissed an empty coffin of her loved one and didn't believe

that their body was in there. but we may hear more in this press conference as to more information being released. most recently, a winding up petition has been issued against the funeral company over a significant unpaid council debt. the council, hull city council, say that legacy independent funeral directors owe the authority more than £51,000 for unpaid charges, including buying cremation fees, and that became apparent in february 2023. and of course, there's been an outpouring of grief from the community as well. after hearing some of the scant facts of this case of what has happened. floral tributes have been laid in the hessle road branch of the funeral parlour vigil has been held as well at hull minster and this is something that's really shocked the community as to what has happened. you know, of course , it's a tragic time, course, it's a tragic time, isn't it, when you lose a loved one and you want them to be

given the best care possible when put the when they're being put with the funeral , we know that funeral director, we know that the mp as well for, hull west and hessle, emma hardy, said that affected families would not have to pay for another funeral with the cost being picked up by the local authority using funds given by the government. so that should be imminent . 2:30, that, should be imminent. 2:30, that, press conference that's being held by humberside police. so we'll bring that live and we'll see what the most recent update is from the police. >> thank you very much, anna. i mean, these are pretty grim allegations. do we understand why we're going to be going to the press conference when it begins ? but do we understand why begins? but do we understand why we're press we're having this press conference at this particular moment ? moment? >> no, emily, we don't. we've asked the police haven't given that information. you know, we could surmise that as it been nearly one month on and of course, it's been a high profile case, nationwide, not just for people that live in hull and east yorkshire, that the police

may be giving an update on the case, maybe an update into other families that may be affected, maybe reaching out. we know the councils going to speak as well, so they may be giving more support to people affected, you know who who don't want to be faced with another funeral cost. so we don't know exactly what it is yet. it could be an update nearly one month on and then heanng nearly one month on and then hearing from council, as hearing from the council, as well the support that well as to the support that they're these families they're giving these families that have been affected. they're giving these families tha yes, 'e been affected. they're giving these families tha yes,'e beerthisacted. they're giving these families tha yes, 'e beerthisacted. have >> yes, anna, this must have been traumatic for >> yes, anna, this must have bee dozens traumatic for >> yes, anna, this must have bee dozens of raumatic for >> yes, anna, this must have bee dozens of families, for >> yes, anna, this must have bee dozens of families, many)r the dozens of families, many of whom don't know if it was their loved one who was put to rest their loved one at that funeral, their loved one at that funeral, their loved one at that funeral, their loved one. whose ashes they received. this is obviously incredibly traumatic for many people. let's hope that we hear some answers from the police when that press conference gets going. but for now, anna reilly, thank you very much for joining us. live from from from outside the police station. >> i mean, imagine thinking >> i mean, just imagine thinking you've of a loved

you've got the ashes of a loved one. you're already totally bereaved and then not knowing, actually, if they are the ashes of the person that you've lost, it's quite incredible. >> i'm not knowing if your loved one is one of these bodies that was in funeral was left in the funeral directors. it's extraordinary, this story. >> there are few things more distressing . distressing. >> i imagine we're going to bnng >> i imagine we're going to bring you that press conference when it begins. but a british farmers campaign for a basic income to cope with post—brexit struggles. farmers be struggles. should farmers be given a basic income and has brexit hit them hard? >> good afternoon from the gb newsroom. just after 2:30, and i'll start with some breaking news that we've heard in the last few minutes into the newsroom here that a man has been found guilty of murdering a police officer, 19 years ago, pc sharon beshenivsky was murdered by peeran dita khan during an

armed robbery in 2005. he was today found guilty at leeds crown court of her murder. murder of the 38 year old, who died in bradford and he has been sentenced to imprisonment for life. the judge setting the minimum terms. detectives say that today's verdict is the culmination of 18 years of hard work . in that case, the prime work. in that case, the prime minister says that britain could pull out of the european convention on human rights if it obstructs the government's rwanda plan. rishi sunak says that controlling illegal migration is more important than membership of the echr, and that he would not let what he called the foreign court interfere in sovereign matters . labour, sovereign matters. labour, though, accused the prime minister of trying to appease the hard right of his party. more than 600 british legal experts, including three former supreme court judges, are calling on the uk to stop selling arms to israel. they say that there is a plausible risk that there is a plausible risk that there is a plausible risk that the weapons may be used to

commit serious violations of international law, and that the prime minister must change britain's policy. prime minister must change britain's policy . british britain's policy. british farmers are calling for a guaranteed basic income, after post—brexit arrangements left many worse off. at least 100 have joined a campaign group urging the government to help cover basic costs after the loss of subsidies from the european union. it comes as suppliers warn of higher prices and empty supermarket shelves. well, let's take you live now to a press conference taking place regarding the funeral home director faced by my investigators . investigators. >> and i know that this cannot have been easy for them. >> in full consultation with families majesty's families and his majesty's coroner, extensive work continues to formally identify the 35 deceased who were recovered from the hessle road site four weeks ago . as i am site four weeks ago. as i am sure you can appreciate, this is a lengthy process that has to

follow the coroners regulations, but when complete, it will provide families with an absolute assurance as to the identity of their loved ones so that repatriation to their families can take place . families can take place. >> i remain committed to keeping bereaved families at the heart of this investigation. >> therefore, these results will only be provided to the direct family members to ensure their privacy and dignity is maintained . since the start of maintained. since the start of our investigation in a dedicated phone line has received over 2000 calls from concerned members of the public. of those, a significant number were understandably concerned about the identification, identification of ashes and of their loved ones . having worked their loved ones. having worked closely with forensic scientists and specialists to assess whether it was possible to extract dna from the human ashes in order to identify them . in order to identify them. whilst the expert opinion provides us with an assurance

that a proper crematorium processes have been followed , processes have been followed, unfortunately, given the high temperature required to carry out a cremation, the dna will have been broken down and degraded to such a level that we would not be able to recover a meaningful dna profile. this means we are unable to means that we are unable to attribute any of the human ashes or identify them . this will, of or identify them. this will, of course , be devastating news for course, be devastating news for families and loved ones, and you have my heartfelt condolences at this really difficult time . this this really difficult time. this weekend, officers from the investigating team have been in contact with over 700 families who raised concerns through our helpline and updated them regarding the scientific advice and with and to provide them with specific . our specially specific support. our specially trained family liaison officers continue to support and update the families of the 35 deceased, and we have also been in contact with number of families with a number of families regarding recovered regarding the ashes recovered from the premises. in addition , from the premises. in addition, we have had a significant number of calls that relate to

suspected financial and fraudulent activity. i have a dedicated specialist investigation team carrying out numerous inquiries and they are following up on various leads in relation financial relation to those financial investigations. if you have any concerns over funeral plans that you or a loved 1st may have taken out in the first instance, please contact your insurance company to establish whether or not the policy is legitimate . if not the policy is legitimate. if not, please report this matter to the police by calling 101 or via our humberside police website, where your enquiry will be crimed and you'll be contacted subsequently by part of the investigation team . i can of the investigation team. i can confirm that a man and woman still remain on police bail in relation to the investigation, and that our extensive enquiries will continue. i would now like to hand you over to julia weldon from hull city council, who will be able to provide you with further information. >> you .

>> thank you. >> thank you. >> good afternoon everybody. my name is julia weldon. >> director of public health >> i'm director of public health and we've been listening and we've just been listening to the there , giving this the police there, giving this press conference in on press conference in hull on the status of this funeral directors, which is it seems there are actually more questions as a result of this press conference than answers. >> perhaps not every body that has been recovered from this funeral directors has been identified. >> emily went on to say that they've been unable to attribute or identify some of the human ashes. very difficult indeed to get the dna information there. they've had 700 families that they've been in contact with who have raised concerns about this funeral director. i mean, this is a quite incredible this story . and we're going to be speaking to anna reilly, who's been covering this , and she's up in covering this, and she's up in hull, we've got anna with us. anna, thank you very much indeed. anna reilly, can you recap a little of what we just heard the there ,

heard from the police there, yes. it's truly shocking. by the sounds of it, what we've just heard and the dna shows that they cannot identify the bodies of those people affected , which of those people affected, which is a true blow for families, the police said that they'd been in contact with 700 families as part of this , and that they've part of this, and that they've got family liaison officers that are in touch with those families affected. and then we were just about to hear from the council, i believe , as well, to hear i believe, as well, to hear updates from them. but yes, i mean, we've had scant information on, on this case so far. so this seems to be the biggest update nearly one month on from when this investigation began. on from when this investigation began . at first we heard, that began. at first we heard, that it was over. it was 35 bodies and a quantity of ashes that were removed from legacy funeral

directors. their hessle branch, hessle road branch in hull. they were also having investigations at their branch in beverley and another branch in anlaby road in hull, certainly an outpouring of grief from communities. i'm sure there will be even more now. we've just heard that recent update, but families speaking to the press saying that they didn't know whether the ashes that they had been given were in fact the ashes of their family member who they believe been member who they believe had been put . one woman telling put to rest. one woman telling the press as well that she believed she had kissed an believed that she had kissed an empty coffin and floral tributes being laid following following the investigation . that's the investigation. that's ongoing, from from the community as well. and as we heard there, two people arrested for it that are still out on bail as police investigate continue. but i'm sure much of that that press , sure much of that that press, conference that's still going on now will be the police really

trying to reassure the public and trying to reach out to families and give them that reassurance. but, i mean, it's truly shocking what we've just heard. and i'm sure my heartfelt sympathies and the channels will do to these families affected that not only going through the loss of losing a loved one, but then not knowing who the loved one is to be reunited with them. >> it's an absolutely tragic tale. well anna reilly, thank you so much for recapping that. of course, hearing from the police there, that lack of identification. yeah i mean, it it raises it raises a question , it raises it raises a question, actually, and it raises a horrible question . in what state horrible question. in what state were some of these bodies found? yeah >> and whether you can trust a service like a funeral director, you would suppose, wouldn't you? you would assume that they were some of the most trustworthy people out there looking after bereaved time bereaved families at their time of need, and some of these families, it looks like they may

never know . from the sounds of never know. from the sounds of it. they may never know whether the ashes they received were actually those loved actually those of their loved ones now we'll bring you ones or not. now we'll bring you updates from anna as this story develops, and hear any develops, and if we hear any more council and the more from the council and the police. but shall we move on to something a little different? >> british >> let's. because british farmers campaigning >> let's. because british farmeincomeampaigning >> let's. because british farmeincome inipaigning >> let's. because british farmeincome in aaigning >> let's. because british farmeincome in a biding >> let's. because british farmeincome in a bid toi >> let's. because british farmeincome in a bid to improve basic income in a bid to improve financial security within the farming sector? yes. >> so before brexit, farmers heavily relied on subsidies from the european union. but now the government is having to replace these with some other schemes. >> now, of course, farmers did want this replaced. the common agricultural was agricultural policy was a bugbear of farmers, the majority of whom voted leave the eu . of whom voted to leave the eu. but according to a new report, these new systems won't plug a funding gap that's been left in this transition. >> yes, i guess the question is, well, one of the questions is how much money would a basic income be? yes. and how costly would it be? >> but of course, the criticism of the common agricultural policy is that money was given on the basis of how much land

you owed, not on the basis of what you produced new what you produced and the new system being brought in in different of the uk. different parts of the uk. they're doing it differently, very wales, must they're doing it differently, very but wales, must they're doing it differently, very but in wales, must they're doing it differently, very but in england es, must they're doing it differently, very but in england the must they're doing it differently, very but in england the system add. but in england the system will be that if produce more will be that if you produce more do valuable things, do socially valuable things, you'll get more money. if you just sit on the land, you won't. whereas before there was no incentive makes incentive to produce it makes sense, in sense, which makes sense in theory . theory. >> northern ireland >> gb news northern ireland reporter joins us reporter dougie beattie joins us now, dougie, do you think this idea a basic income for idea of a basic income for farmers actually goer ? farmers is actually a goer? >> no, i don't believe that. that will be a goer. farmers really need security because we need the security of food production and back in 2021, there was basically four bands put into place of how much money you would get under these new schemes. and in those bands was a lot of stuff about, environmental issues, etc. and in the first year of 2021, the bafic in the first year of 2021, the basic income came down by 5. the bafic basic income came down by 5. the basic grant then it continued

and continued. it's to end at the end of 20 for 2024 this yeah the end of 20 for 2024 this year. and it is already down 60% across that that basic payment. then you take into account that over the last 24 months, as i have been wittering on about in gb news, the input costs to farming have went up 35% for various reasons. farming have went up 35% for various reasons . first of all, various reasons. first of all, fertiliser, environmental issues and we haven't even started on some of the ammonia nitrates and methane taxes. so when we were renegotiating our way out of brexit, we only came out of covid and 2021. we were in the middle of that. the government were more interested in going getting trade deals around the world. and of course when they did that with australia, new zealand, rim, they also zealand, pacific rim, they also brought in cheap food, which they could then have a real impact on our farmers that are being asked to produce to a certain standard . then we bring certain standard. then we bring in the green issues and as in wales , 20% of your land has to

wales, 20% of your land has to be set aside for greening the growing of trees. so the growing of trees is a perfect issue. what do you get ? many, many what do you get? many, many firms and airlines are now running around buying up agricultural land to plant trees to offset their carbon tax. now that then drives the price of land up. so everything farming in britain is in the eye of a perfect storm. and it's not much better. across europe, 40 or the farming in france . nearly 40% of farming in france. nearly 40% of their farmers are underneath the average wage. and this is because europe, at one time put in the same rules that would say do greece as would say do northern ireland. that will never work because you have to farm to the climate. so what we are going to see is borders coming place end of coming into place by the end of april, which put more april, which will put more pnces april, which will put more prices goods coming in to prices on goods coming in to britain. and our own farmers do not have the income to fill that

supply chain . supply chain. >> well, thank you very much indeed. dougie beattie great to speak to you. thank you for setting for us. now setting that all out for us. now this a curious one. this, this is a curious one. this, this is a curious one. this, this , the words mother and this is, the words mother and father. are they offensive ? father. are they offensive? >> i find it particularly offensive. i've never been offended by them. are they offensive ? offensive? >> they m offensive? >> they be listed as >> well, they could be listed as oppressive under new, oppressive words under a new, inclusive oppressive words under a new, inclusivin scotland, of where? in scotland, the home of free speech. >> why is it all. oh, goodness. oh, there are no words. there are no words. but we're going to we're going to try is it all going too far? this inclusive language guide in scotland will be talking about that this

good afternoon. britain coming up to 10 to 3. now, would you

ever think that the words mother and father could be listed as get this? not even offensive, but oppressive words. >> oppressive. >> oppressive. >> oppressive. >> it's a loaded term. well, now they have been because, scotland's international development alliance has released drum roll, development alliance has released drum roll , their released drum roll, their inclusive language guide advising against the use of terms like mother and father. those bigoted words and among the list of problematic terms, the list of problematic terms, the guide also discourages words like girls, third world and foreign aid. so the international development fund in scotland wants to not talk about foreign aid. >> that's literally their job. >> that's literally their job. >> i guess they call it international development funds. >> it's too many syllables . >> it's too many syllables. well, let's talk about that. and all of the syllables included above with the political commentator and writer emma webb , emma, this this is okay. why is it always scotland ?

is it always scotland? >> well, i think we've seen this with the scottish hate crime bill as well. >> there's been a real push in scotland to transform the country into a kind of progressive utopia. there's a very, distinctive ideology line. the scottish hate crime bill has come in to uphold. it is essentially a new blasphemy law that prevents people from wrong speaking against that new progressive orthodoxy , so progressive orthodoxy, so i think this is part of the zeitgeist in scotland, but it's also it's part of the zeitgeist in these sorts of organisations generally. >> and this is one more on the mountainous heap of language guides like this. if you remember, i think it was peter , remember, i think it was peter, the animal organisation also put out, a similar kind of language guide. we've seen so many examples and usually it's attacking words like mother and father or, chestfeeding. instead of breastfeeding , it's attacking of breastfeeding, it's attacking the gender binary. and in this instance, i think it's partly because part of this progressive

ideology, to dismantle the ideology, aims to dismantle the nuclear family, the nuclear family is regarded as something as, you know, all the things in society that are now regarded as structurally systemically structurally or systemically oppressive or racist or sexist or patriarchal. the nuclear family is always something that ideologues want to, to try to destroy, because it's one of the sort of foundational building blocks of society. and actually, to answer your question there, emily, you asked what they want to call foreign aid instead , to call foreign aid instead, they want to call it social development finance. and the reason they state for this is because the language is paternalistic and quote, implies an unequal power relationship marked by altruism, which denies the unjust distribution of resources that defines that dynamic. >> emma, it's interesting you say that because we were just talking about how, a foreign court is considered by some as some kind of dog whistle , but, some kind of dog whistle, but, emma, this is quite progressive, though, you know, usually they

only talk about the word mother. this time they're talking about the father as being the word father as being oppressive you this oppressive to, you know, this isn't after after isn't just going after after women. that makes a nice change. surely it's very you to try and find a silver lining in things, emily, i think it's just as bad they're attacking the nuclear family , and i think really. family, and i think it's really. it's what strikes me as it's what what strikes me as particularly egregious. it's not just that , obviously, there's just that, obviously, there's a lot of taxpayer money going into this , organisation. and of this, organisation. and of course, the taxpayers alliance has already commented on this. i think that any organisation that does this kind of, ideological push to control language and ultimately , therefore to control ultimately, therefore to control thought, i think that they should be immediately stripped of their taxpayer funding. but it's particularly egregious with respect to an international aid organisation. there's something that's almost amusingly neo colonial, about this and that. you can't can really imagine somebody going to, somebody in

africa, for example, maybe an, another partnership aid organisation and telling them , organisation and telling them, oh, no, sorry, we don't use the words mother, father , girl. words mother, father, girl. they're pushing a progressive western , ideological orthodoxy, western, ideological orthodoxy, onto their partners in, in other countries, as you rightly say, so often these are funded by us. >> yeah, these are funded by the taxpayers . it's our money that's taxpayers. it's our money that's doing this stuff. well, eamonn, i really appreciate your time. thanks for joining here i really appreciate your time. thanks forjoining here on thanks forjoining us here on the that's i'm afraid the show. that's it. i'm afraid for program, but it's martin for the program, but it's martin daubney next, martin, what's daubney up next, martin, what's coming ? coming up? >> tom, i love that. >>— >> tom, i love that. >> why is it always scotland? >> why is it always scotland? >> you summed it all up. >> you summed it all up. >> superb of today. >> superb of today. >> soft sentencing laws. >> new soft sentencing laws. >> new soft sentencing laws. >> they are a thugs charter. >> why they are a thugs charter. >> why they are a thugs charter. >> context of equality >> the context of equality before the law smashed to matchwood as we give passes to those who claim to be oppressed. rishi says you'll leave the echr. d0 rishi says you'll leave the echr. do you believe him? well, i've had over 600 emails from you already and many of you think there's more chance of

visiting santa also have the visiting santa and also have the terraces gone woke. now people are getting banned from from grounds just for shouting at each other. that's all. come in. but latest but first it's your latest weather . weather forecast. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello again and welcome to the gb news forecast with the met office. further rain arrives overnight , but it's met office. further rain arrives overnight, but it's going to stay cold in the north and as the rain moves into scotland, there will be some disruptive snow over hills north of the snow over the hills north of the central belt. a number of systems coming our way over the next few days. the next low bnngs next few days. the next low brings spells of and hill brings spells of rain and hill snow across the uk, and then another the weekend. another low for the weekend. storm kathleen, named by met eireann because the strongest winds the republic winds will be for the republic of it will be of ireland. but it will be blustery nevertheless, blustery overnight nevertheless, with rain in places, with some heavy rain in places, those spells of rain particularly northern particularly affecting northern and western parts of the country, although the far north of scotland staying clear of

that frost that with a touch of frost in places. it's across places. but it's across central scotland where the risk scotland where there's the risk of start off of disruption as we start off friday. rain disruption for lower parts of the central belt for and higher parts of the central belt and into central scotland. the risk of some disruptive snow up to ten centimetres so above 300m centimetres or so above 300m could some issues. first could cause some issues. first thing that peters out through the and it stays cold in the day and it stays cold in northern scotland, but elsewhere it's a mild day. early rain clears to showers, some sunny spells between downpours , spells in between the downpours, with highs of 18 or even 19 celsius towards the south—east. another blustery day on saturday. in fact, it becomes increasingly windy as heavy rain moves north across scotland and northern ireland. first thing replaced by showers, some sunshine in between the showers . sunshine in between the showers. the wind will be strong with gusts of 50 to 70 miles an hour for western britain and northern ireland, but it will also be a warm wind. highs of 20 or 21 celsius that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers . from boxt boilers. >> sponsors of weather on

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