gb news. >> welcome to the andersons real world. and tonight i'm joined by barrister sam fowles. and our left in the corner is bill rammell. he's a former labour minister. we've also got chloe dobbs on the show for the first time. she's a political commentator and three times boxing world champion duke mckenzie. but first, let's go to the . news. the. news. >> good evening. the top stories. police are searching for other body parts after the discovery of a torso at a salford nature reserve. greater

manchester police says the human remains were found wrapped in plastic by a member of the pubuc plastic by a member of the public at kersal dale. the gender and age of the person are currently unknown, but police believe it was an adult. a murder investigation is now underway and a search is taking place in the local area. chief superintendent tony crilly says detectives need a breakthrough in this tragic case. >> we believe that these remains are likely to have been here for are likely to have been here for a matter of days, and it really is a tragic case. our priority now is establishing who this person is and ensuring that we carry out a diligent and respectful investigation on behalf of that person and their family, whoever they may be. we are speaking to those locals in the area dog walkers, passers by or anyone else who might who may have the smallest bit of information . information. >> huge crowds have been taking part in protests in westminster. hundreds of pro—palestinian protesters taking part in the

annual al quds day demonstrations marched from the home office to downing street. pro—israel counter—protesters were also present, waving flags on parliament square and chanting for the release of the hostages being held by hamas. the met police says two men have been arrested on suspicion of inciting racial hatred after an israeli flag was burned during demonstrations. it says new powers to prevent disruptive protests come into force , with protests come into force, with offenders facing up to six months in prison or an unlimited fine. the foreign secretary's calling for a wholly independent review into the killing of three british aid workers in gaza, john chapman , james henderson john chapman, james henderson and james kirby, were among seven world central kitchen workers who were hit by israeli airstrikes. lord cameron has welcomed the dismissal of two idf officers, and says the uk will now carefully review the findings of an initial report on the incident . government the incident. government security experts have been

called in to analyse the whatsapp messages at the heart of the westminster sex scandal so far, around a dozen mps, staff and journalists are known to have been targeted and sources have told gb news more are coming forward. it's after tory mp william wragg told the times he'd sent intimate pictures of himself to someone on a gay dating app, and was then manipulated into providing phone numbers. he's expected to be contacted today and will be asked for a list of the numbers he shared. millions of people will receive a boost in take home pay from tomorrow, following a cut to employee national insurance from the start of the new tax year, class one contributions will be reduced from 10 to 8. meanwhile, a further 2 million self—employed people will see their class four national insurance reduced from 8 to 6. the government says around 29 million workers will benefit from the changes , and a planned from the changes, and a planned strike by over 600 border force

officers at heathrow airport has been suspended. members of the pubuc been suspended. members of the public and commercial services union were due to walk out for four days from april the 11th in a dispute over rosters which the union said threatened job losses. the union now says that following the home office's desire for clarification and in a spirit of collaboration, it suspended those strikes. for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gbnews.com/alerts. >> welcome to lee anderson's real world. and tonight we're going to discuss scotland's new controversial hate crime law. and joining me for the debate is sam fowles is a barrister and columnist and former labour minister bill rammell. columnist and former labour minister bill rammell . bill, i'm minister bill rammell. bill, i'm going to come to you first because you're quite strong on this subject, this this new

legislation scotland. it it legislation in scotland. it it makes it illegal to stir up hatred . i thought that was hatred. i thought that was already illegal anyway, in the united kingdom. but is this a step too far.7 are the lunatics taken over the asylum? >> well, i think the act is an abomination. you know, you can seek tackle extremism as as seek to tackle extremism as as we through prevent. as long seek to tackle extremism as as weyouthrough prevent. as long seek to tackle extremism as as weyou draw;h prevent. as long seek to tackle extremism as as weyou draw the revent. as long seek to tackle extremism as as weyou draw the line tl. as long seek to tackle extremism as as weyou draw the line at as long seek to tackle extremism as as weyou draw the line at violent as you draw the line at violent extremism, you can seek to outlaw discrimination, as we do through the equalities act. but using the civil law. but to seek to criminalise free speech. i think it's a dog's breakfast. you know, if someone says a black person is less intelligent than a white person, i think they're wrong. i think they're offensive, i think they're ignorant. but you can't use the law to tackle that. you need free speech and open debate to take on the arguments. and i actually think this act will be unenforceable. >> it makes a good point, though , sam, is this act is making ignorance illegal? surely >> well, given that when bill was in government, the labour government introduced an act

that did pretty much exactly the same thing in england . clearly same thing in england. clearly it is enforceable because it's been for past , been enforced for the past, what, 20 years? the conservative party in 1991 also did the same thing in terms of race. so it's beenin thing in terms of race. so it's been in force in the uk for years. and this isn't criminalising ignorance, it's criminalising ignorance, it's criminalising putting people in dangen criminalising putting people in danger. it targets threats and it targets abuse . and we have in it targets abuse. and we have in scotland and in the uk. oh hold on a minute. >> but when you when you have a go at these people, you know, based on their age, disability, religion, sexual orientation, transgender identity, etc, when you're having a go at these people and stirring up hatred, surely that is ignorance. >> certainly makes you >> it certainly makes you ignorant. >> it certainly makes you ign(law:. >> it certainly makes you ign(law criminalises. it's the law criminalises. it's criminalises threats and abuse. and so that isn't just saying i don't like black people, i don't like gay people. it's like it's saying because i think gay people are an abomination or their their relationships are less valuable. we should go out and hurt them. we should do something that that makes their

lives a misery. that's threats and abuse. and what we're seeing in the uk, and particularly in scotland at the moment, is an increase the last over increase over the last over recent years in violent hate crimes against minorities. and those are those increases are in direct correlation with an increase in people saying things onune increase in people saying things online and in public that are inciting people to hate and to attack and to discriminate against them. and so we need if we're going to protect people from violence, we need to address the causes of violence. it's worked in in england , and it's worked in in england, and that's what we need to do. >> bill, i want to come back to you now because some he thinks it makes reasonable points. it makes some reasonable points. he the blame at he sort of puts the blame at your when you in your door when, when you was in government. but we look at government. but if we look at some the teachings in the some of the teachings in the bible, sure some bible, i'm fairly sure that some of those teachings in the bible, they they stir some of they they stir up some sort of hatred groups. hatred against minority groups. >> i'm not >> yeah. look, i'm not i'm not advocating you promote advocating that you promote hatred, but this legislation is drawn much more widely the drawn much more widely than the previous law isolation.

previous uk wide law isolation. and, you know, you can actually anonymously report hate crimes under this. you can actually in scotland , report anonymously in scotland, report anonymously in sex shops and mushroom farms. you know, this is it's got what kind of mushrooms , bill? not kind of mushrooms, bill? not sure. i don't think they're magic mushrooms. magic mushrooms? no i don't think so. i think that's where we're going. but it's got echoes of, you know, the east german stasi, where encouraged where parents were encouraged to report insufficiently communist. being insufficiently communist. and you can't use the law to outlaw people's views. you need to challenge them, you need to expose them, and you need to take them on with free speech and debate. this legislation will not help. >> is it killing free speech, sam? no. >> well, first, it's actually drawn than than drawn less widely than the than the bill the law that that bill introduced because introduced in government because this, just looks at threats this, this just looks at threats and whereas the one that and abuse. whereas the one that bill introduced bill's government introduced also include included insults. secondly, criminalising secondly, it's not criminalising beliefs. it's criminalising using your belief as an excuse

to bully people and encourage violence. and abuse against them. it's perfectly fine to have beliefs the law doesn't criminalise, that it's perfectly fine to express those beliefs. the law doesn't criminalise that. >> bill's chomping at the bit here. sam criminal. let him come back in. >> okay? come on then. >> okay? come on then. >> if it's simple and straightforward, why has it taken from taken three years from the passing legislation passing of the legislation to enactment ? it's taken that long enactment? it's taken that long because the police have got an almighty of drawing up almighty task of drawing up guidelines what will be a guidelines of what will be a hate crime and what will not be a hate crime. and you know, the training for the police in scotland, just two hours online to be making to be made to be making incredibly sensitive, important judgements. and i actually think it will eventually just wither on the vine or it will be repealed . repealed. >> and this is the thing, sam. we see the police when we see these horrific, graphics being projected onto elizabeth tower, you know, from the river to the sea. all what that sea. we all know what that means. idly when means. they stand idly by when that, stirring up that, for me, is stirring up hatred. do nothing . how are

hatred. they do nothing. how are the police different in scotland? are they going to look at these reported crimes? 3000 since these since monday. are these so—called have been so—called hate crimes have been reported police? how reported to the police? how are they to investigate them they going to investigate them properly way they do properly in the same way they do in in the rest of uk. in the in the rest of the uk. >> in england, when you like elizabeth . yeah. because elizabeth tower. yeah. because projecting from the river, from the the sea. israeli the river to the sea. israeli politicians say from the river to the sea all the time. palestinian politicians say from the river sea. the river to the sea. >> yeah, but all know what it >> yeah, but we all know what it means, we? means, don't we? >> i know what it means. >> well, i know what it means. it's the palestine it's talking about the palestine after israel was created and before israeli government before the israeli government started bulldozers to turf started using bulldozers to turf palestinian off their, palestinian people off their, off their land, that's what from the river to the sea means to me. so i don't think from the river to the sea is particularly offensive abusive. i offensive or abusive. and i think stirred up in think it's been stirred up in bad faith. you're not jewish, are you, no . and the police, are you, no. and the police, though, are competent and capable of determining what is likely to be prosecutable or what is not really. and well ,

what is not really. and well, they should be at least. and but this is a it's a matter for the police to figure out how to enforce. >> okay, let's let's try and talk about something that we might on and is might agree on guys. and that is the, the flag, the flag of saint george union we've george and the union flag we've seen over past few weeks. seen over the past few weeks. certain organisations trying seen over the past few weeks. ce interfereinisations trying seen over the past few weeks. ce interfere with:ions trying seen over the past few weeks. ce interfere with the; trying seen over the past few weeks. ce interfere with the flag. trying seen over the past few weeks. ce interfere with the flag. ising to interfere with the flag. is it time, bill, to leave our flag alone ? alone? >> i think yes. i mean, i'm >> i think so, yes. i mean, i'm fed up with commercial organisations designing different flags for different types of flags for commercial reasons. i don't think this is actually driven by ideology . you know, nike was ideology. you know, nike was rubbing its hands when it got about three days worth of marketing and publicity. whilst the debate was raging on the airways and on on the tv. the debate was raging on the airways and on on the tv . you airways and on on the tv. you know, we do have a national flag. we have a national identity. you apply your own values to that national identity. but i don't think you should change the flag , sam. should change the flag, sam. >> i mean, i think i think we have started on the magic mushrooms . have started on the magic mushrooms. now, have started on the magic mushrooms . now, we've just been mushrooms. now, we've just been talking about how important freedom speech and then freedom of speech is. and then but of speech when but not freedom of speech when it flag, if you're

it comes to the flag, if you're if believe freedom if you believe in freedom of speech, you want speech, then do what you want with flag . it's an embrace with the flag. it's an embrace it. it is part of our national heritage and part of our national is growing national heritage is growing and building changing and building and changing and developing, and the flag should be part of so to have be a part of that. so to have a conversation where we say, well, if people threatening , if people are threatening, threatening minorities, that's free forbid we free speech. but god forbid we do a bit of art with the flag. i mean, that's just that's just bonkers to me . bonkers to me. >> but i'm not prescribing it. i'm not saying you should take legal action over that. i'm saying not sensible. saying it's not sensible. >> vast think >> and i think the vast i think we've mix up this week, we've got to mix up this week, guys. to producer guys. i'll speak to the producer later, i think should later, which i think you should be left the corner. be the left in the corner. i think bill should be sat over here because this is this is astounding. look, i mean, astounding. but look, i mean, the is part of our the flag, it is part of our history, our heritage, our culture, know, history, our heritage, our cultconsensus know, history, our heritage, our cultconsensus of know, history, our heritage, our cultconsensus of the know, history, our heritage, our cultconsensus of the british w, the consensus of the british pubuc the consensus of the british public leave it alone. public is to leave it alone. you've these woelki, you've you've got these woelki, you've got multi billion pound got these multi billion pound organisations trying to interfere. you this interfere. and i'll ask you this then, sam, if, if it doesn't matter how many other countries around the world are swapping their changing the

their flag or changing the colours on it, just name me one. >> i mean, in the united states, for example, you get the the for example, you get the in the united states, you've got police who wanted to, sort of have a go at the black lives matter. protesters change the united states flag to make a little thin blue line flag made in the united states. flag black and white. uk, white. in the uk, the conservative party and ukip have both changed the colour of the of union flag . ukip i think, of the union flag. ukip i think, made it purple. the conservatives all blue. conservatives made it all blue. i think labour may well have done so as well, making putting the flags in different colours and using them for sort of pop art. that's been going on for ages and i think to sort of just it's this, it's a totally confected, but i think the good news is, bill, that the olympics , the british olympic team are going wear the proper, union going to wear the proper, union flag on, on their, on their, on their kit. >> they are i think that's good news. but but the other problem ihave news. but but the other problem i have with it is there is an agenda on of politics, agenda on the right of politics, of wanting to, to fight culture wars. yeah. and i think

organisations, people who try to change the flag are actually giving grist to that mill. and giving grist to that mill. and giving ammunition. and i don't think we need that kind of debate . you know, we have debate. you know, we have a national flag. it's been there for centuries. we should leave it as it is. yeah. >> final word to you, sam . >> final word to you, sam. >> final word to you, sam. >> look. free speech. it's important. it's a foundation stone of democracy. but we shouldn't be using to free speech attack and hate people. we should be able to discuss issues without without being abusive and threatening . this abusive and threatening. this discussion about the flag. that's a great example of how three people can really disagree about something, completely about something, have completely opposing views, discuss it opposing views, and discuss it in manner . opposing views, and discuss it in manner. it's not in a reasonable manner. it's not hard to do that. and i think that's that's what we should take away and embrace. >> well, thank you for that. thanks, guys. really thanks, guys. that's really good.thank thanks, guys. that's really good. thank you for being a good sport, bill being left the sport, bill being left in the corner. you're corner. but next time you're going sat here sam going to be sat here and sam will there. look do not will be sat there. look do not go because coming up next go away because coming up next we've three former we've got three time former world champion duke mckenzie

we' re we're back in the day now. with former three time world weight world champion boxing champion duke mckenzie. we spoke earlier. you. you're one of the people i used to watch on the tv in the 80s. you boxed in the 80s? yeah. world champion at three different weights. that's pretty incredible. >> i'm one of the lucky ones. there was a very, very lucky, very, fortunate in terms very, very fortunate in terms of luck. mean, a great luck. i mean, i had a great manager in mickey god rest manager in mickey duff, god rest his no longer with his soul. he's no longer with us. he managed me, guided my us. and he managed me, guided my career from day one, you know, british champion, european champion, world champion, world champion. defences, both here and . so i consider myself and abroad. so i consider myself one of the lucky fighters. i'd like to say, 42 fights, 35 wins. and, i've lived to tell the tale. >> i think you've been a bit modest there about being lucky jew. there's a lot hard work jew. there's a lot of hard work and comes into it. i and dedication, comes into it. i know you have to give your life up. you must have started boxing

at a young age. what first got you boxing? you into boxing? >> brother , clinton, >> my older brother, clinton, was inspiration as a was my main inspiration as a young he went to the 1976 young man, he went to the 1976 olympic games. boxer sugar ray leonard in the quarterfinals. wow. yeah, huge inspiration . my wow. yeah, huge inspiration. my brother is actually like my dad. to be honest. we're more than brothers, you know, more like best really. we talk best friends. really. we talk pretty day. but pretty much every day. but clinton my main source of clinton was my main source of inspiration dudley inspiration as my brother dudley was outstanding was also another outstanding amateur the time i amateur boxer. so the time i came into the boxing world, although i wasn't supposed to have won anything because my dad wasn't my biggest fan, but, i'm pretty dumb. i've done pretty well . yeah, i don't know. right. well. yeah, i don't know. right. >> so which boxers, apart from your brothers, obviously. when your brothers, obviously. when you growing you were growing up, did you look up to roberto duran? >> man. listen, the >> oh, man. yeah. listen, the hands of stone, obviously the great legendary muhammad ali was another massive inspiration. but there's also quite a few british fighters back in the day. yeah, john conti was a big inspiration for me growing up as a young man, you know? so fitness wise,

back in the day, let's talk about present day boxers . about present day boxers. >> obviously they have different diets, different training regimes, different sort of management, and they're in your face more. face a little bit more. is it fair boxers of today fair to compare boxers of today with generation ? with those of your generation? >> probably it's a >> probably not. it's a completely generation. completely different generation. and i do believe boxing back in the day was a lot harder than it is now. boxing today is more about entertainment. yeah you know, you've got to entertain if you want to be a star or success in sport, you have to in this sport, you have to be insane. so, know, there's insane. so, you know, there's the business the sport the show business of the sport and the fight business. and there's the fight business. they're separate entities, they're two separate entities, and they don't and unfortunately they don't really match that well. >> but you see the money on offer now. you see these fights in saudi arabia which are unthinkable. you unthinkable. yeah. you know, back in the day. and you see some of these youtubers coming on you know, on the scene and you know, there's months on the scene and you know, there's they months on the scene and you know, there's they wantonths on the scene and you know, there's they want to :hs on the scene and you know, there's they want to:hs in training. they want to get in the ring with proper is the ring with a proper boxer. is that boxing or is it that a good for boxing or is it a thing, do think do you a bad thing, do you think do you probably commercially it's great for because brings probably commercially it's great fowhole because brings probably commercially it's great fowhole new because brings probably commercially it's great

fowhole new audience brings probably commercially it's great fowhole new audience to rings probably commercially it's great fowhole new audience to the s sport. >> however, as you've seen with the anthony the recent, say, anthony joshua fight ngannou ngannou fight against ngannou ngannou should never have been in there with anthony joshua and could have hurt. and in have got seriously hurt. and in that tarnishes the sport, you know? joshua him know? i mean, joshua invited him to and said, to lift his chin up and said, just your chin up, move it just lift your chin up, move it over six inches, and took a pot shot and absolutely over six inches, and took a pot shot him. ibsolutely over six inches, and took a pot shot him. you.utely over six inches, and took a pot shot him. you know, i mean, destroyed him. you know, i mean, he, have got very, very he, could have got very, very seriously you seriously hurt. ngannou you know, knocked out and it know, he got knocked out and it was it was. and was a bad knockout. it was. and but sure if you put me in but i'm sure if you put me in against the guy that two against the guy that had had two fights, of age, fights, even at 60 years of age, even i pretty much the even now, i pretty much do the same really, you know. same thing, really, you know. yeah. know, i mean, yeah. well, you know, i mean, listen, there's that's why boxers their boxers box and mma guys do their chosen got to chosen profession. they got to stand there laying in boxes, stay in their lane. if you take one out of, out of their own profession and take them into the other guy's backyard, then i'm sure if joshua gone i'm sure if joshua had gone into mma, done same mma, then ngannou done the same to i he'd make a fair >> i think he'd make a fair point there because i've seen in the past. was it was it mayweather got in the ring mayweather you got in the ring with years old? sure, with 40 odd years old? sure, with 40 odd years old? sure, with it? with a, mcgregor was it? >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah. yeah, yeah.

>> yeah. yeah, yeah. >> fair >> so yeah, you make a fair point. so spoke about point. so you spoke about muhammad yeah. was muhammad ali. yeah. he was probably that got me probably the one that got me interested boxing. know, interested in boxing. you know, i'm a younger than you, but i'm a bit younger than you, but i'm a bit younger than you, but i remember the. think it i can remember the. i think it was in manilla. was the thrilla in manilla. manilla dad, i was manilla where my dad, i was probably 4 or 5 years old at the time, and that was a fan. we time, and that was a big fan. we stopped up and watched watch that there was stopped up and watched watch that rumble there was stopped up and watched watch that rumble in there was stopped up and watched watch that rumble in the there was stopped up and watched watch that rumble in the jungle, was the, rumble in the jungle, weren't there? that. >> many great >> so, there were so many great fights, many great fights fights, so many great fights from 70s. and the from the 70s. and back in the day. it was, and it was like day. it was, itv and it was like world of sport with dickie davies went on to davies and then it went on to the you know, with late the bbc, you know, with the late harry carpenter so, know, harry carpenter. so, you know, boxing then get boxing was free then you'd get it every saturday it every day, every saturday there was world title fight there was a world title fight from palace, las vegas from caesars palace, las vegas or, atlantic or wherever or, or atlantic city or wherever it around the world. it was from around the world. and always massive. it and it was always massive. it was always great to watch. it was always great to watch. it was was more than was like it was more than boxing. an event. boxing. it was an event. >> i know, but for >> yeah, i know, but boxing for young especially, especially young men especially, especially in i live there in places, where i live there seems to be boxing clubs springing up all over the place . springing up all over the place. you know, back in the day was one in all of my area. now on every high street now there seems to be a gym. so you've got

girls boys doing it now. so girls and boys doing it now. so it's a big draw. >> yeah. boxing very will >> yeah. boxing is a very will always fashionable way always be a very fashionable way to keep fit and look after yourself. it's a great way to release your, you know, tension and you know, it's great for meditation. it's great for your mental state of mind as well. also so, and it's great for the young kids. yeah. >> it's i mean, it's a brilliant discipline as well. it's not about just in there and about just going in there and knocking seven bells out a knocking seven bells out of a punch it? punch bag, is it? >> no, no, boxing will give >> no, no, no, boxing will give you skills. you know, all you life skills. you know, all that all that i will that i am and all that i will ever able sport of ever be able to. the sport of boxing, taught me so boxing, it's taught me so much. boxing teaches to boxing even teaches you how to cook because have to become cook because you have to become self—sufficient and after self—sufficient and look after yourself. mean? yourself. you see what i mean? >> so if you're not >> so if you if you're not a become a boxer, what would you have done? >> have been actor. now, >> i'd have been an actor. now, listen, love listen. listen, i'd love to listen. i like i like to liken myself like to i like to liken myself to washington training to denzel washington in training day. like in my little day. you know, like in my little gym. give little gym. i'd give a little, little snippets that it's snippets from that film. it's one favourite films, by one of my favourite films, by the way. >> your favourite? what's the way. >> favouriterr favourite? what's the way. >> favouriterr fav

and the sundance kid. robert redford, paul newman, that's actually a western, i'm sure. yeah, early actually a western, i'm sure. yeahthat's early actually a western, i'm sure. yeahthat's that's early actually a western, i'm sure. yeahthat's that's my early actually a western, i'm sure. yeahthat's that's my favourite 70s. that's that's my favourite film time. film of all time. >> but favourite denzel washington training day, washington film, training day, training just, washington film, training day, training he's just, washington film, training day, training he's a just, washington film, training day, training he's a legend, just, washington film, training day, training he's a legend, isn't, washington film, training day, training he's a legend, isn't he? denzel. he's a legend, isn't he? >> he's one of them actors, a bit like clint eastwood. they never bad film, do they? never make a bad film, do they? yeah, absolutely. >> can watch him in >> you can watch him in anything, book of anything, you know, like book of eli's, another great film. yeah. you just so many you know, there's just so many great films that he's made over the and, mean, listen, great films that he's made over thelove and, mean, listen, great films that he's made over thelove be i, mean, listen, great films that he's made over thelove be an mean, listen, great films that he's made over thelove be an an an, listen, great films that he's made over thelove be an an actor, ten, great films that he's made over thelove be an an actor, but i'd love to be an an actor, but the reality is i only act. >> never too late. it? >> it's never too late. is it? never too late? >> i don't isn't it, >> i don't know, isn't it, if you've a contact me. you've got a contact for me. >> discussion, joe. >> fascinating discussion, joe. thanks, coming next, we've >> fascinating discussion, joe. tha right:oming next, we've >> fascinating discussion, joe. tha right versus next, we've >> fascinating discussion, joe. tha right versus rwith we've >> fascinating discussion, joe. tha right versus rwith chloe got right versus left with chloe dobbs rammell. and dobbs and bill rammell. and i think back later.

joining me now for right versus left. i a political commentator, chloe dobbs, on the show for the first time. welcome, chloe. and we've got bill rammell, former labour party, former labour mp and minister. we're going to get straight to it , this week again.

straight to it, this week again. well, last weekend we saw over a thousand or nearly a thousand, migrants crossed the channel into this country. nothing seems to be working. i mean , the to be working. i mean, the government was saying a number 10 was saying that, crossings are down by 36. they're now up by 40, they're now saying it's the weather, the good weather is allowing more people to come over the channel, we was making the argument a few months back that they was the bad weather that they it was the bad weather that they it was the bad weather that was stopping people. they wouldn't agree to that. so, chloe, what's to stop this chloe, what's going to stop this once all? once and for all? >> think that we need to >> i think that we need to tow the france. it's the boats back to france. it's the boats back to france. it's the way we're to the only way that we're going to stop i think this rwanda stop it. i think this rwanda plan, can give a shot, but plan, we can give it a shot, but i that it's really going i doubt that it's really going to anything and it's going to to do anything and it's going to cost us, apparently, 172 grand per now offering per person. we're now offering them three grand pocket per person. we're now offering them tiase grand pocket per person. we're now offering them tiase g incentive. )ocket money as an incentive. apparently which is completely insane. of hard insane. i'm sure a lot of hard working brits that can't afford to put food on the table would quite like three a time quite like three grand at a time like this. sunak. just like this. rishi sunak. just doesn't to do doesn't have the backbone to do what's doesn't have the backbone to do thokay, well , i think we need >> okay, well, i think we need to tackle the problem , but we

to tackle the problem, but we need to put it in context. >> it's about 30,000 a year coming over on the boats. the numbers of people being granted visas last year was 1.4 million. you know, the government has many levers at its disposal many more levers at its disposal to tackle immigration, i think the rwanda bill is a gimmick. it's hugely expensive. it's legally full of holes. and i think you need to get better returns agreements in place. you need to clear the asylum backlog , which is what labour did when we were in power. you know, the net migration figure is now three times as high as it was. >> say that bill, but what happens when you see some of these men that come over these young men that come over and we know that do it. and we know that they do it. they about where they come they lie about where they come from. returns from. so how can your returns agreement country when agreement with a country when these blatantly lying these people are blatantly lying on country they've started on which country they've started off they always off from, but they always have. >> minister >> i mean, when i was a minister in labour government, in the last labour government, we grappling the we were grappling with the asylum challenge. i will acknowledge years acknowledge in our early years in government, get it in government, we didn't get it right. over the last five, right. but over the last five, six years, we dramatically reduced asylum

reduced the number of asylum seekers needs. serious seekers it needs. serious application seekers it needs. serious app gimmicks and stunts, which not gimmicks and stunts, which is what having sunak is what we're having from sunak chloe, that yes, we need chloe, i think that yes, we need to the asylum backlog and to clear the asylum backlog and so on, but when we clear the backlog, what happens? >> what we do is we pass about 80% of the claims to give them, give them refugee status. then they then go social housing they then go into social housing and up all the housing and and take up all the housing and the just go missing. the other 20% just go missing. >> begin to reduce >> but you begin to reduce the pull what the pull factor. what are the biggest pull for illegal biggest pull factors for illegal migrants coming to this country is they know they'll come here and their claim won't, won't be deau and their claim won't, won't be dealt with for 2 or 3 years. that's that's a they know that they'll a five they'll come here and get a five star to stay in free. star hotel to stay in for free. >> that's brings them here. >> that's what brings them here. >> that's what brings them here. >> star hotels. >> get five star hotels. >> get five star hotels. >> i've seen plenty of >> oh, i've seen plenty of videos of the accommodation that they pretty they get. it looks pretty nice. some or want some of it. you or i would want to live in the accommodation that in that they're living in regardless, they're getting a free coming here free home for coming here illegally. the illegally. they've broken the law. pointed out the law. and you've pointed out the fact the numbers much fact that the numbers are much smaller net legal smaller than net legal migration. problem migration. however, the problem with this, even though the numbers much smaller, is numbers are much smaller, is that undocumented

that these are undocumented young lot of the time young males a lot of the time coming from countries coming from the countries that have the record in the have the worst record in the world treatment of world for their treatment of women. way, the home women. by the way, the home office is refusing reveal to office is refusing to reveal to gb news the number of asylum seekers committed seekers who have committed sexual crimes . and this is sexual crimes. and this is extremely scandalous. that's why even though the numbers are small, it's such an issue. this is a really big national security issue. well, i mean, i actually agree with you. >> you've committed a sexual >> if you've committed a sexual crime, a you shouldn't be crime, a crime, you shouldn't be eligible asylum . eligible for asylum. >> but we shouldn't have to wait for to here and rape for them to come here and rape somebody we kick them out. >> no. >> no. >> and look at abdul >> and that's look at abdul ezedl >> and that's look at abdul ezedi. was allowed stay ezedi. he was allowed to stay here the that he here despite the fact that he was found guilty of sexual assault . i was found guilty of sexual assault. i think on two occasions. yeah. he was then allowed because he came up with some bogus christianity conversion. right. shouldn't conversion. right. he shouldn't have come here in the first place. he here on a lorry place. he came here on a lorry illegally. should been illegally. he should have been kicked straight kicked out immediately, straight away, have away, and it wouldn't have happened. away, and it wouldn't have happened . those people wouldn't happened. those people wouldn't have been sexually assaulted. and children and that woman and her children would not had acid thrown would not have had acid thrown over them. >> assess that all

>> but you can't assess that all in the moment. people have to have right you we're have a right and you know, we're party treaties party to international treaties that the way that i think are the right way forward. have forward. you have to have a right to make a claim, but we need a right to break into a country. to tackle country. no, you need to tackle the at source . and, you the problem at source. and, you know, something know, i'm not saying something that impossible . we did it that is impossible. we did it under last labour under the last labour government, and we had dramatically fewer numbers than we're having at moment. the we're having at the moment. the government is not serious about tackling the problem. government is not serious about tacisoig the problem. government is not serious about taciso isthe problem. government is not serious about taciso is there oblem. government is not serious about taciso is there alem. government is not serious about taciso is there a labour >> so is there a labour government? looks we're government? it looks like we're going government going to get a labour government back year. are they back end of this year. are they going solve this crisis? going to solve this crisis? >> i highly, doubt i >> i highly, highly doubt it. i don't starmer has the don't think keir starmer has the backbone to do it, nor does rishi think labour rishi sunak. but i think labour will be worse because what keir starmer has done well on up to now just not being the tories now is just not being the tories and able to get away and he's been able to get away with really revealing what with not really revealing what his as we get his policies are. but as we get closer and closer to the election actually needs election and he actually needs to what going to do, to say what he's going to do, we're that a lot of we're realising that a lot of his policies absolutely his policies are absolutely bogus. challenged bogus. so when he was challenged on you going to do on what are you going to do about suggested about the boats, he suggested that to the that we start cosying up to the eu and become closer

eu even more and become closer and to becoming member and closer to becoming a member again this problem, again to solve this problem, which like which to me sounds like dangerous territory. >> do need to >> that's because we do need to cooperate know, cooperate with europe. you know, when in european when we were in the european union, 30,000 union, we didn't have 30,000 people the channel people coming across the channel through because had through the boats because we had effective returns agreements in place. this, place. and i'll tell you this, if say that , but you say if you say that, but you say that, bill. >> but when we were in the european didn't european union, europe didn't have hundreds have you know, hundreds of thousands coming thousands of people coming over over as well, over the mediterranean as well, did and there's did they? and now there's a trickle a few years trickle started a few years back, but not to the amount. what getting through what we're getting today through libya the rest libya to italy, through the rest of look, there's of europe. well look, there's a whole of worldwide, whole series of worldwide, things are things happening that are growing know, but growing the number know, but you've just stated, bill, the labour was much better on this and they didn't and they weren't they didn't have situation with have the situation to deal with what got oh, we do what we've got today. oh, we do go back to some of the influxes we as a result we had as a result of afghanistan, of iraq. >> when we were in government, we actually tackled it. and you say serious about it. say we're not serious about it. i'll you this. i was i'll tell you this. i was not only a minister, was the mp only a minister, i was the mp for very, very marginal seat. for a very, very marginal seat. and every conversation had and every conversation i had with blair and gordon brown with tony blair and gordon brown in the 5 6 years in

in the last 5 or 6 years in government, the first thing they asked me was, what's what's the perception of asylum and immigration in your constituency 7 immigration in your constituency ? because they were concerned genuinely about tackling the numbers . and we did, you know, numbers. and we did, you know, look, look at it in 2004 or 5. and the numbers were high. look at numbers by 2010. and they at the numbers by 2010. and they were significantly . were down significantly. >> i'm pretty sure back in the day, i think blair day, i think tony blair suggested offshoring offshore processing. >> we looked it and i was >> we looked at it and i was part of that, but it was for processing. it wasn't for leaving there permanently. leaving them there permanently. i one of the i think that's one of the fundamental the fundamental problems with the rwanda . rwanda scheme. >> would that be a deterrent, chloe? processing them offshore, maybe somewhere maybe you know, somewhere thousands away in a thousands of miles away in a british potentially it british colony, potentially it would better than what we've would be better than what we've got they come got now where they just come here sit in at here and sit in a hotel at the taxpayer's expense wreak taxpayer's expense and wreak havoc communities . havoc in our communities. >> but don't think that rwanda >> but i don't think that rwanda is a place send people is a scary place to send people to. is a safe country, and to. it is a safe country, and it's not country . it's not a safe country. >> you know, not only the international courts, but domestic law has found, rwanda

to be unsafe, and, you know, i think the government needs to do its work more effectively and more seriously. >> isn't the un being quite hypocritical there? they're telling us off of trying to send people to rwanda whilst they've actually sent asylum seekers themselves to rwanda, right? yeah. >> i'm not responsible for the united nations. what i do know. >> so you think they were wrong to say no? >> yeah. and think we need to >> yeah. and i think we need to operate within law. can operate within the law. you can do that effectively, but you need you do that effectively, but you need to you do that effectively, but you need to do you do that effectively, but you need to do your you do that effectively, but you need to do your research you do that effectively, but you need to do your research y> this the thing that >> but this is the thing that really, winds my really, really winds my constituents keep hearing constituents up. we keep hearing about obligations , about international obligations, international people international law, people in places i places like ashfield, where i represent , do not lie awake at represent, do not lie awake at night worrying about our reputation on the international stage. they want our country to be safe. they want our borders to be secure. and they want they want us to stop these people coming into the country. they are chloe says, agree coming into the country. they are chloe. oe says, agree coming into the country. they are chloe. surprisingly,'ee with chloe. surprisingly, they are country. are breaking into our country. they are abusing our asylum system. they are living in 4 or 5 star hotels and then when we

clear backlog , which we seem clear the backlog, which we seem to be bragging all the to be bragging about all the time, no good at all. time, that does no good at all. because then they go into social housing the rents housing and the rents in ashfield up 3,040, ashfield now are up 3,040, because at because housing now is at a premium . premium. >> chloe on the point about >> chloe so on the point about social housing, you've got so many brits who are really struggling with the cost of living crisis, who can't afford to bills. and to pay their bills. and meanwhile give about meanwhile we give what, about half social to half of social housing to immigrants, just immigrants, which is just absolutely insane. we need to be putting britain first. and we live era where people seem live in an era where people seem to that racist. if to think that it's racist. if you prioritise a brit over an immigrant. but i think that's just morality. that just basic morality. that doesn't mean you shouldn't care about all the about people at all from the rest the world, but brits rest of the world, but brits have first. brits are have to come first. brits are being back of the being put at the back of the queue for everything, and now we live world where if you are live in a world where if you are a young, white, straight, british , you're seen as british male, you're seen as evil. it's horrendous. >> don't think that's true. >> i don't think that's true. and a whole host of local authorities are now designing their housing allocations policy, where residency and longevity of residency is now

the key requirement . and lee, the key requirement. and lee, you talk about, you know, just ripping up international treaties and obligations. the problem is that's a slippery slope . i was a foreign office slope. i was a foreign office minister, went round the world trying attract investment to trying to attract investment to this country. one of the things people attracted by people are really attracted by is the certainty and the rule of law. once you start ripping up your international legal obugafions your international legal obligations , your business is obligations, your business is going to say what's next? and that's going to cost us. >> but i'll tell you what, my constituents are bothered about, bill. that is letting rapists and murderers and sex offenders into our country, which we seem to now and or to be doing now and or on a daily basis. we should stop that. should stop that. and that. we should stop that. and the you it by the way you stop it is by stopping them coming here in the first backs. agree first place. turn backs. i agree with with taking with that. i agree with taking them the day, but them back the same day, but there's in them back the same day, but thereplace in them back the same day, but thereplace over in them back the same day, but thereplace over there, in them back the same day, but thereplace over there, chloe, to that place over there, chloe, to do this. and i don't think the labour do either labour party will do it either because remember been because remember when we've been debating parliament debating this in parliament for the years, it's always the last four years, it's always a keeps saying a labour lot that keeps saying all the time that 80% of these people over genuine people going over are genuine asylum seekers, know, we

asylum seekers, and we know, we know they're not. >> i just at the >> i mean, just look at the videos pictures of the videos and the pictures of the boats coming if are boats coming in. if these are genuine where genuine asylum seekers, where are women and children? why are the women and children? why aren't their aren't these men bringing their vulnerable members vulnerable family members with them? yeah, just look at the it's all young clearly it's all young males. clearly these economic now these are economic migrants. now i don't deny that some of them may genuine refugees, but it may be genuine refugees, but it looks like the vast majority are economic migrants also , if economic migrants and also, if they are supposedly refugees, they are supposedly refugees, they are supposedly refugees, they are coming from northern france. that is a safe place . france. that is a safe place. they do not need to risk their lives and pay thousands of thousands of pounds or thousands of euros to some illegal gang members to come across to britain. >> but you hit the nail on the headin >> but you hit the nail on the head in the european union, we had convention we had the dublin convention and we could returns to country could secure returns to country of origin elsewhere in the european union. >> throw their passports >> they throw their passports el—sisi. we don't even know whether the whether we're not in the european union, but we need better cooperation and management european countries. >> and we're not going to get that by throwing stones from the sidelines. >> okay. throwing stones. let's throw more stones, throw some more stones, guys. yes. you know the

yes. or no quiz. you know the rules. it's a yes or no answer. you can't do a stephen pound and take 20 minutes to answer one question. it's got to be a yes or no. okay, so i'll go to you first. bill, do you agree with scotland's new hate crime bill? no .chloe. no. chloe , number two no .chloe. no. chloe, number two to you, will donald trump win the us election? yes no. bill. will the rwanda scheme work? no. chloe? no. chloe should we leave the echr? yes. no clear divisions here. and the final question for bill to you. should we rejoin the eu? >> it's not realistically achievable. no. so that's an incorrect answer. >> you did a stephen powis. it was a yes or no . steven's a good was a yes or no. steven's a good man, so i can't give you a cross there. chloe no. wow. five four, five four. do you want to come back on one and explain? you spoke about give me trump. trump. yeah. go on trump. >> i think he'd be dangerous. you know he talks on day you know he talks about on day one. negotiating with the

russians, effectively giving in to over ukraine. i to the russians over ukraine. i think he'd be a danger for america and a danger for the world. it is very early in the race, and already the polls are tightening. and i think when push comes shove , enough of push comes to shove, enough of the centre ground in america will not support him. and remember , he's never won the remember, he's never won the popular in america, even popular vote in america, even when he beat hillary clinton, he lost the popular vote by 3 million. >> i think ahead now on the >> i think he's ahead now on the popular vote in america. chloe, trump you to trump is. but do you want to come one? trump is. but do you want to coni'll one? trump is. but do you want to coni'll back? trump is. but do you want to coni'll back on trump as >> i'll come back on trump as well and rebut that. so i well and just rebut that. so i think of all, i think that think first of all, i think that the race clinton and the race between clinton and trump closer than trump looks is closer than between biden and trump, because biden i mean, this is i'm sorry, but he is just a dementia patient. >> and that's just your opinion . >> and that's just your opinion. >> and that's just your opinion. >> no one trusts him on the world stage. and and they world stage. and then and they trust trump. you you say, trust trump. and you you say, you say he's you say he's unsafe trump. look at what's trump. but look at what's happening under biden. the same problem we've got here but on a much, scale. they've much, much worse scale. they've had, what, million had, what, over 7 million illegal migrants through illegal migrants come through the border. we even had biden

snuck in without telling anyone. until recently, 320,000 illegal migrants. he's given them all in new york, a bunch of credit cards. so like we're doing with our five star hotels and giving them a free ride . and, you know, them a free ride. and, you know, there's this theory that he's doing this because he wants the votes from them. and this is a huge security issue. and it is completely devastating communities. that the communities. there that the states in america, even though geographically it's a big space, they're much less densely populated. and so that 7 million that are coming through, that's bigger than i think the population of most, most us states people are really states and people are really concerned about this. so people in washington might be a bit out of touch, but people across america have had enough of this. and you talk about, you know, the international realm. and although it is perhaps, you know, slightly more questionable who's going to be safer, biden or trump ? i think you want or trump? i think you want someone who is a strong negotiator who can stand up to other leaders. but he's not.

he's not. biden's like a little kid. hold on. >> you talk about security. two of the biggest security challenges we face are russia and north korea. and what did donald trump do when he in donald trump do when he was in office? up to them office? he cosied up to them when sat down with putin, he when he sat down with putin, he actually refused to accept the intelligence briefings he was getting from the cia about what putin was doing. that is scandalous. >> and so we'll leave it there, guys, brilliant. chloe, you're the clear winner. must do better next time. bill, it's five four, but look, coming up next, we've got john mckenzie. he's coming back for last orders

so -- so i'm joined once again by john mckenzie, three time world champion in different weights. it's incredible , that is. but it's incredible, that is. but you've got your own gym now. you told me earlier that you still do a little bit training. do do a little bit of training. do you jogging? you get on, you

you go jogging? you get on, you get the once a week. get in the gym once a week. how's panning out? how's that panning out? >> gym's going really, >> yeah, the gym's going really, really well. my little jukebox, we train just we call it, we train just members general public members of the general public and few kids and also quite, quite a few kids as we have a lot of as well. and, we have a lot of fun them. lot of kids fun with them. a lot of kids actually up to me a bit actually look up to me as a bit of a father figure, you know, because some guys coming because some guys are coming from and thing from broken homes and one thing or don't go to school, or another, don't go to school, don't school. i should or another, don't go to school, don'and, school. i should or another, don't go to school, don'and, i school. i should or another, don't go to school, don'and, i try:hool. i should or another, don't go to school, don'and, i try:hotalk should or another, don't go to school, don'and, i try:hotalk to ould or another, don't go to school, don'and, i try:hotalk to them say. and, i try to talk to them on not necessarily on on my level. not necessarily on their if you talk to their level. and if you talk to them and normally, them rationally and normally, then pick on and in then they pick up on it. and in turn, give them respect, turn, if i give them respect, then get respect and then i'll get respect back. and that's works , so, that's how it works, so, you know, are, aren't know, the pavements are, aren't always paved with gold or the streets aren't always paved with gold boxing. and a lot of , gold in boxing. and a lot of, young boxing, mega young men get into boxing, mega fortune, fortune , we see fortune, lose a fortune, we see ridiculous amounts of in ridiculous amounts of money in the these days. but you the sport. these days. but you must come across fighters from your generation that's come across our times. >> yeah, well, you know, i work closely with the, ringside charitable trust, and an charitable trust, and they're an organisation that's been put together by, paul fairweather and harris . and they look and dave harris. and they look

after specifically with boxers that fallen on hard times. that have fallen on hard times. and we just try to raise the profile of that organisation, because what they're trying to do to build a care to home do is to build a care to home for retired boxers to go to later on in life that have fallen on hard times. there's a lot boxers out. there are lot of boxers out. there are drug dependency, drink dependency fallen off drug dependency, drink depfallen:y fallen off drug dependency, drink depfallen off fallen off drug dependency, drink depfallen off the fallen off drug dependency, drink depfallen off the railsallen off drug dependency, drink depfallen off the rails ,len off drug dependency, drink depfallen off the rails , ifn off drug dependency, drink depfallen off the rails , if you the fallen off the rails, if you see what i mean. but they just need they need guidance. they need they need guidance. they need help. and without that organisations help. they will never and they're never make it. and they're going to a lot tragic stories. >> why does it do that? some of these supreme that these soup supreme athletes that trained, for, for trained, you know, for, for donkey's years to get to the top of game that's over, of the game once that's over, they of fall into this they sort of fall into this spiral they end up on, on spiral and they end up on, on drugs and alcohol and end up being some, would imagine being some, i would imagine homeless you being in homeless or, you know, being in a place. how did a really dark place. how did that happen ? that happen? >> for number of reasons, i'm >> for a number of reasons, i'm sure, know, people go sure, you know, people go through a divorce, they get or you know, something bereft, or you know, something major happens and trips them up in life, and you don't know what's the corner. what's around the corner. fortunately, help out

fortunately, there is help out there for retired boxers. now, with the help of the ringside charitable trust, i might add. yeah, were an amazing yeah, we were doing an amazing job like , say, raise job to like, say, raise awareness for organisation awareness for that organisation to retired boxers that have to help retired boxers that have fallen on hard times. there isn't any one clear definition as to what's tripped anybody up or why people turn to drink or drugs. it'sjust or why people turn to drink or drugs. it's just it's one of them. really? yeah. it could happen to anybody talking about the jukebox. >> like name, the juke, >> i like the name, the juke, the jukebox. it's quite clever, that is. who thought that name? >> probably my trevor. >> probably my dog, trevor. >> probably my dog, trevor. >> lot young people, we >> so a lot of young people, we spoke about people, you spoke earlier about people, you know, involved boxing spoke earlier about people, you kn any, involved boxing spoke earlier about people, you kn any, any involved boxing spoke earlier about people, you kn any, any sortivolved boxing spoke earlier about people, you kn any, any sort oflved boxing spoke earlier about people, you kn any, any sort of sport. boxing spoke earlier about people, you kn any, any sort of sport. so xing or any, any sort of sport. so i've had some really brilliant athletes here. i've had, athletes on here. i've had, fatima . right. it was, fatima whitbread. right. it was, it was sat where are and, it was sat where you are and, we've also had kriss akabusi. okay. he never stopped laughing for , about ten minutes. for about, about ten minutes. sorry. but they spoke about they come they come through the come up, they come through the care system. they care system. right. they had a difficult upbringing right. but it that rescued them. it was sport that rescued them. i not the sport i mean, i'm not saying the sport that rescued you, but it gave you career, didn't it? you a career, didn't it? a glittering career, you know, my

manager, mickey duff, always used you're one used to say to me, you're one punch punch punch from disaster, one punch from punch from disaster, one punch frorand when you're managed in a >> and when you're managed in a certain way and spoken to moreover , in another way, moreover, in another way, obviously very young, very quiet, introvert , quiet kind of quiet, introvert, quiet kind of a guy. but boxing like, say a guy. but boxing is like, say gave so many, so much life gave me so many, so much life skills. it gives so much skills. it gives you so much confidence train that you confidence to train that you have do you get into it. have to do once you get into it. and you can, you just saw really, you really look really, you can't really look back. mean , fitness is for back. i mean, fitness is for life, right? it's great for your physical your mental physical health and your mental health i'm sure you're health as you i'm sure you're well so, know, it's well aware. so, you know, it's done wonders for me. >> yeah. guess there's some >> yeah. so i guess there's some young people, young boys and girls want to go into that gym. they keep seeing the sign, you know, the boxing club. yeah, but haven't confidence or, haven't got that confidence or, you haven't the you know, they haven't got the parents or the support behind them push them them to actually push them through how do through that door. how do we make go through that door? make them go through that door? >> lot of is, obviously >> do a lot of it is, obviously it's right? but it's just choice, right? but once actually get into once kids actually get into boxing, you know, they just they just a good teacher. and if just need a good teacher. and if you kids your level, you talk to kids on your level, not their level, not necessarily their level, they listen because they're

they will listen because they're kids, all. say, kids, after all. like i say, i've got lots kids in my gym i've got lots of kids in my gym and i talk to them like they're adults from one. and just adults from day one. and just once laid laid down once you've laid the laid down the it was of the gym, the law as it was of the gym, then genuinely adhere to then they genuinely adhere to that can have lot that law. and you can have a lot of fun with these kids. some of the kids are quite introvert and very, quiet. know, they very, very quiet. you know, they might bullied at might be getting bullied at school uni or school or college or uni or wherever they're going, school or college or uni or wherit'sr they're going, school or college or uni or wherit's aboutthey're going, school or college or uni or wherit's about giving going, school or college or uni or wherit's about giving the1g, but, it's about giving the confidence , you know, that's confidence, you know, that's what will you. if what boxing will teach you. if you hold hands up, you you can hold your hands up, you know, fit, have bit of fun know, get fit, have a bit of fun while doing it, it while you're doing it, and it goes there make some goes from there and make some good well along the way. >> oh, yeah. >> oh, yeah. >> yeah. i mean, you know, >> oh, yeah. i mean, you know, i've got some, some real good friends in my gym, but what friends in my gym, but also what i to with my gym is a i like to do with my gym is a nickname. people. know, i've nickname. people. you know, i've kind i've got a french kind of sent. i've got a french assassin got diana assassin and i've got a diana ross. got a pocket, i've ross. i've got a pocket, i've got pocket rocket. you know, got a pocket rocket. you know, there's. that there's. but people like that association in gym and, association in the gym and, you've finally start to you've soon finally start to come themselves. and come out of themselves. and once they pretty they do that, then it's pretty much job done. >> great career. >> so you had a great career. you awake at night you must lie awake at night sometimes thinking, oh, you you must lie awake at night somet and. thinking, oh, you you must lie awake at night

somet and i'llnking, oh, you you must lie awake at night somet and i'll reminisce you you must lie awake at night somet and i'll reminisce every night. >> yeah, pinch myself night. >> know, i wish just >> you know, i wish i just caught him with one of them, you know, involved know, the money that's involved in the sport today. i was in the sport today. if i was boxers, be a multi boxers, i'd be a multi gazillion. sure gazillion. you know, i'm sure you but times changed you know, but times have changed and you can't and times move on. you can't look back with regret. i've had my time and it's about here look back with regret. i've had my �*now.and it's about here look back with regret. i've had my �*now. and t's about here look back with regret. i've had my �*now. and t's eliket here look back with regret. i've had my �*now. and t's eliket hthe and now. and but like i say, the money that's in the money that's involved in the sport boxing now, it's, it's sport of boxing now, it's, it's phenomenal top phenomenal for the top end fighters. yeah you know, but it will filter down through to the lower end fighters at some point, i'm but it's just point, i'm sure, but it's just it's changed now. and like i say, there's the fight game, then there's and there's the fight you have fight business. and you have to understand are two understand these are two separate so has it separate entities. so has it been, know, all this money been, you know, all this money that's arabia that's involved in saudi arabia and you see these $100 million fights is this force fights is this is this a force for good the sport? i believe for good in the sport? i believe so i believe so mean like i so i believe so i mean like i say, fighters now will get money like only about like they've only dreamed about and some of them can't even fight. they're getting like fight. and they're getting like million, pounds million, millions of pounds for fighting. know, fighting. yeah. you know, and you've you've youtubers you've got, you've got youtubers coming the and i'm coming into the sport and i'm not sure. like i say, that's not so sure. like i say, that's good sport. yeah. you

good for the sport. yeah. you know because somebody's going to good for the sport. yeah. you kno seriouslya somebody's going to good for the sport. yeah. you kno seriously hurt. ebody's going to good for the sport. yeah. you kno seriously hurt. andiy's going to good for the sport. yeah. you kno seriously hurt. and then oing to get seriously hurt. and then the anti—boxing get out anti—boxing brigade get out and say ban the sport. but fortunately the fortunately we've got the probably body probably the best governing body in world boxing. and in british in world boxing. and that's the british boxing board of who do a fantastic of control who do a fantastic job. and i'm just saying that it's lip service. they do a it's not lip service. they do a fantastic job worldwide representing our fighters. when we , headed by we go abroad to fight, headed by robert secretary robert smith, the secretary of the control , he does a the board of control, he does a fantastic job. >> well, i'm absolute pleasure. thank is a privilege to thank you. it is a privilege to talk to you. >> my privilege. >> my privilege. >> you. duke mckenzie . >> thank you. duke mckenzie. thanks joining thanks for joining the andersons. didn't andersons. real world. we didn't do on the pool tonight, but that's coming next week. that's coming up next week. we've cracking line up as we've got a cracking line up as well next coming up well next week, but coming up next, friday night well next week, but coming up next with friday night well next week, but coming up next with mark friday night well next week, but coming up next with mark dolanl night well next week, but coming up next with mark dolan .night live with mark dolan. >> brilliant show. thanks, leigh. yes, indeed. friday night live . why are young women live. why are young women turning left wing? should we burn everything from 150 years ago in case it's linked to slavery ? is the nhs now more slavery? is the nhs now more unpopular than harry and meghan? also, a judges have been told to

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