me. ben. leo >> surprise! it's me. ben. leo are you sick of me yet.7 coming are you sick of me yet? coming up tonight on the saturday night showdown, parliament is engulfed in yet another sixteen scandal. surprise, surprise. a radio dj has managed to offend the nation by ruining a literary classic. and and bosses at a chinese restaurant are taking staff members tips. well, that's communism for you. this is your saturday night showdown c)kay, okay, here we go. discussing all tonight's topics are my brilliant panel. joining me up, precious muir , diane spencer, precious muir, diane spencer, and justin panks. let's get your latest news headlines first from tatiana sanchez.

>> ben, thank you very much. the top stories tonight. around 12,000 households remain without electricity in ireland this evening. that's after storm kathleen swept across the island and other parts of the country. today it's brought strong winds, resulting in the cancellation of dozens of flights . gusts of up dozens of flights. gusts of up to 70mph have been felt in northern ireland and the west of britain. over 140 flights have also been called off. meanwhile, two planes on the runway at heathrow airport have collided, causing damage to their wings. footage shows a virgin atlantic plane's wing touching a british airways aircraft surrounded by emergency services. the virgin boeing 787 nine plane had completed a flight and was being towed to a different part of the airfield. it's understood there were no passengers on board at the time of the incident . were no passengers on board at the time of the incident. rail passengers have been facing fresh travel disruption today as train drivers have continued their strikes in their ongoing dispute over pay. members of

aslef six companies have walked out, leaving some areas with no services all day. chiltern trans , pennine express and northern haven't been running any trains and there's been a reduced service on great western, lner and heathrow express . a and heathrow express. a conservative mp says he was the first whistleblower to alert police to the parliamentary honeytrap sixteen scandal. bosworth mp, doctor luke evans says he was the victim of cyberflashing as the metropolitan police launched an investigation into unsolicited messages with leicestershire police on thursday. tory mp william wragg told the times he'd sent intimate pictures of himself to someone on a gay dating app and was then manipulated into providing colleagues phone numbers. so far around a dozen mps, staff and journalists are known to have been targeted . the torso found been targeted. the torso found at a nature reserve in salford, belonged to a man aged older

than 40. a murder investigation was launched by greater manchester police after the body part was found wrapped in plastic at kersal wetlands. the victim is believed to have been dead for a number of days. dna tests are ongoing to identify him . and workers across the him. and workers across the country have today been granted the legal right to request flexible working from the day they start a new job. previously it only applied if someone had worked for their employer for 26 weeks or more. flexible working is defined as a way that suits an employee's needs. for example , having flexible work for timings or working from home, experts believe it could benefit millions and increase productivity . 80 for the latest productivity. 80 for the latest stories you can sign up to gb news alerts. just scan the qr code on your screen, or you can code on your screen, or you can 90 code on your screen, or you can go to gb news .com/ alerts. now it's back to ben . it's back to ben. >> cheers, tatiana. and welcome

to you lovely people. to the saturday night showdown with me. ben, leo. right now, fujitsu, the prestigious japanese technology company . remember technology company. remember them? they're set to be given a contract to run the nationwide digital id card scheme. what could go wrong which will be used pubs and supermarkets? used by pubs and supermarkets? yes, that's right, they are the company the post office. company behind the post office. horizon scandal and they're going some of the going to be given some of the most sensitive data imaginable. what possibly go wrong what could possibly go wrong next? we'll be making tony blair a middle east middle east peace envoy, or letting men in female changing rooms . we used to be changing rooms. we used to be a sensible country, didn't we? boring. but i guess very sensible. those were the days. but we seem to be lurching from one crisis to the next. it wouldn't surprise me if fujitsu steal my face and fingerprints, so get to my phone so i can't even get to my phone to complain about it on my local facebook group. so can we please just making sensible just start making sensible decisions again ? let's start off decisions again? let's start off by not the company by not giving the company responsible horizon responsible for the horizon scandal access to our sensitive

data . thrashing this all out is data. thrashing this all out is my panel tonight. precious muir, diane spencer , and justin panks. diane spencer, and justin panks. justin, why are we giving fujitsu more work and what have they got on us? have they got william wragg's x—rated pictures? >> they must have something. i mean, it's funny, these companies used to pretend to be nice and then get found out, but now it's like the big tech companies and the big companies are all in a race to see who can become skynet. they're just the gloves. they're not even tied in it and think it's it anymore. and i think it's like ever scandal like the worst ever scandal about tech company. not the about a tech company. not the worst one worst ever, because there's one every but it was a bad every week. but it was a bad scandal. and the back scandal. and it's off the back of and is like, are of that pr. and is it like, are they a scapegoat? so when the government start doing horrendous they oh, horrendous things, they go, oh, it's not you know what, what it's not us, you know what, what are called? fujitsu. are they called? fujitsu. fujitsu know was all fujitsu you know what? i was all fujitsu's fault. it's like basically if you hire an idiot, you can everything the you can blame everything on the idiot, they're idiot, can't you? so they're going given three year going to be given a three year contract, believed contract, only believed to be worth £1 million, the

worth around £1 million, by the way, it's going to provide way, but it's going to provide technology useful for technology that's useful for selling supermarket selling hardware at supermarket tills handling of tills and also handling proof of age procedures. >> i've said twice that >> i've said twice in that intro, precious, what could go wrong these bunch of i'll wrong given these bunch of i'll call sorry, bunch wrong given these bunch of i'll ca clowns. sorry, bunch wrong given these bunch of i'll ca clowns. ansorry, bunch wrong given these bunch of i'll ca clowns. an importanth contract. >> i think it's ridiculous. i mean, obviously this is something has happened something that has happened before they've before and obviously they've taken it and ran with it, and honzon taken it and ran with it, and horizon is not the i think there's so many options out there. why are we going with the same company? like it doesn't make sense. there has to be somebody else out there doing the same software, and we can go to someone else. >> what have they got on us then? do you reckon? >> what have they got on us the yeah, do you reckon? >> what have they got on us the yeah, well, you reckon? >> what have they got on us the yeah, well, they've kon? >> what have they got on us the yeah, well, they've got’ >> what have they got on us the yeah, well, they've got all >> yeah, well, they've got all the information before, so the information from before, so i they're i don't know why they're not using why they having using that. why are they having to it again. to do it again. >> they got rags, naughty >> have they got rags, naughty pics, definitely. >> kind of absolutely >> what kind of absolutely insane is this? the insane decision is this? the hypocrisy company that is hypocrisy that a company that is so vacuous thinks has so morally vacuous thinks it has the produce the id? the right to produce the id? that's going to stop a 17 year old from trying to get a cheeky pint wetherspoons . these pint in wetherspoons. these people been responsible for people have been responsible for the so many

the destruction of so many people's much people's lives and so much financial also, and financial corruption also, and we're going to give them. but wait a minute, they're going to give us an id card. they couldn't get a counting right and they're going to issue ids. i mean, you can change your genden i mean, you can change your gender. days. but now if gender. these days. but now if they get this contract , you they get this contract, you won't need to change it yourself. you might just be given identity by the given an identity by the government, because fujitsu will just whatever identity just give you whatever identity they want, they won't be they want, because they won't be able get right. able to get it right. >> also, aside from giving the contract lot, are you contract to this lot, are you not just little bit concerned not just a little bit concerned about digital id as a whole? >> absolutely, think >> absolutely, yeah, i think i think that's some things don't need become everything need to become everything doesn't need to be online. everything doesn't need to become feel like become digitised. i feel like physical id is important, obviously, weighs out obviously, that it weighs out the that it could be less the fact that it could be less fake, like these fake ids are being easily made by ai characters or whatever. i mean, it doesn't make sense to just have them all digital like a paper is, i think, essential still. >> well, sure, concern about digital id because in australia they've just passed a bill,

rolling it all out. everything's going to be digital. as you see in china. they've got a social credit system where pretty much if have with your if you have a row with your neighbour parking neighbour or get a parking ticket, credit score ticket, your social credit score goes ticket, your social credit score goe that's ticket, your social credit score goethat's my worries with it. it >> that's my worries with it. it becomes, does it become like cookies, your digital id? cookies, like your digital id? you stuff and it's like you you do stuff and it's like you collect. go to different collect. you go to different websites you collect cookies websites and you collect cookies and you're doing. websites and you collect cookies and the you're doing. websites and you collect cookies and the same you're doing. websites and you collect cookies and the same youof doing. websites and you collect cookies and the same youof thing.. there's the same sort of thing. your to prove who you your id is just to prove who you are. now your id is like your report card. you can't get away from can put all sorts from it. they can put all sorts of on there. of stuff on there. >> metadata what they put >> metadata can't what they put on report card, what sins on your report card, what sins have you up to recently? have you been up to recently? come on. >> i went kfc on the way >> i went to kfc on the way here. yeah, that's pretty grotty. know, on the grotty. i know, eight on the train. yeah, but what kind of nutcase? >> i'm sorry, but that is an >> and i'm sorry, but that is an appropriate wants to appropriate word. who wants to let their phone? let fujitsu into their phone? because phone contain because your phone can contain your card. can contain your bank card. it can contain the app. it can, you the ringgo app. it can, you know, it can control your parking. it even control parking. it can even control your and home your doorbell and your home heating. really want heating. would you really want to they have to give your bank they have access that already? access like that already? >> everything's on our iphones, access like that already? >>itverything's on our iphones, access like that already? >>it justthing's on our iphones, access like that already?

>>it just allowson our iphones, access like that already? >>it just allows another’hones, so it just allows another corporation to get in and have access and be able to access to that and be able to share this information with whomever they want to it with. >> but also a corporation that's already that they already been proved that they make software and what? make faulty software and what? and cover it up. >> exactly. >> exactly. >> yeah, they cover it up. and what's worse this scandal what's worse about this scandal is people yes, the is that the people yes, the people through people have been taken through the basically the courts, they've basically said, a minute. oh, said, oh, wait a minute. oh, fujitsu, we were applying for this before you caught us. yeah. before you were caught, you were still criminals. >> you've still done the criminal end up in a situation where they're so slack at having accurate information on people's digital ids, they might say something like, oh, that ben leo, he thinks women can have penises. no. well, that's outrageous, but by the way. but i'm just saying, if they're so, you know, at keeping data accurately. >> well, no, think i think the >> well, no, i think i think the thing is that, it's not the misuse of data. >> yeah, i'm more cynical. >> yeah, i'm more cynical. >> i'm not. not worried >> i'm not. i'm not worried about. sorry. i'm not worried more them being more about them being incompetent. i'm worried the sinister that you sinister aspect of it, that you start with this, you've got you haven't got paper or

haven't got your paper id or your physical i.d. then there's the they get rid cash, the then they get rid of cash, and then of a sudden your id and then all of a sudden your id and then all of a sudden your id and your financial everything dependent. they'll just say, you're a >> they'll just say, you're a conspiracy theorist, you conspiracy theorist, mate. you know, got if you've know, if you've got if you've got nothing to hide, why are you so worried? >> well, yeah, because some things don't to be changed. things don't need to be changed. i the fact that nobody i think the fact that nobody wants to take cash anymore is a huge, huge problem. yeah, but, you these stores are you know, all these stores are all card only card. i'm all only card only card. i'm like, when you going to be. like, when are you going to be. >> yeah, massive on that. >> yeah, i'm massive on that. >> yeah, i'm massive on that. >> like i think it should >> yeah. like i think it should be for both. and be an option for both. and that's i don't believe in that's why i don't believe in this online digital this id online digital situation, should be situation, because we should be able our passport in able to bring our passport in our driving license and that should sufficient enough. should be sufficient enough. >> this should be sufficient enough. >> to this should be sufficient enough. >> to put this should be sufficient enough. >> to put everything this should be sufficient enough. >> to put everything online s drive to put everything online is trying to is because they're trying to clamp for example, clamp down on, for example, people who come on boats and they enter system. right? if they enter the system. right? if you the system and you you enter the system and you work just cash, you can make work just for cash, you can make a living and you can like, survive quite happily. and you don't have to ever enter the system. >> oh, is that why? >> oh, is that why? >> you see what i mean? and >> do you see what i mean? and i think that they're trying to

push everything, but they're not understanding that british citizens cash. understanding that british citi.yes, cash. understanding that british citi.yes, there's cash. understanding that british citi.yes, there's older cash. understanding that british citi.yes, there's older people h. >> yes, there's older people that use card, we have that don't use card, so we have to that option to be to allow that option to be available. >> it sounds like a conspiracy corner you've just corner tonight. if you've just tuned tuned into tuned in, you've not tuned into an of the neil oliver an episode of the neil oliver show. this is trailer, show. this is the trailer, right? coming still more to right? coming up. still more to come. we're going assess this come. we're going to assess this week's losers, week's winners and losers, including mp william including that tory mp william wragg, caught wragg, who was caught in a sixteen and the sixteen scam and also the world's oldest man. he's told us the to long life. any the secret to a long life. any guesses? >> well, yeah . okay. happiness >> well, yeah. okay. happiness and joy. >> i'll tell you something. it's not alcohol or drugs. and we're going show what happens going to show you what happens to ship.

welcome back. ben leo. on the saturday night showdown . so saturday night showdown. so we're going to be looking at this week's winners and losers in just a second. but first, i promised i'd show you what happened to that ship that had just started its maiden voyage. happened to that ship that had just raarted its maiden voyage. happened to that ship that had just :a look its maiden voyage. happened to that ship that had just :a look at maiden voyage. happened to that ship that had

just :a look at theiden voyage. happened to that ship that had just :a look at the full voyage. happened to that ship that had just :a look at the full package . here. that's coming out. it's like a. like a sinking. >> no. looks like a chinese ship from alibaba. >> that's a bride float. >> that's a bride float. >> i don't, and there we go. no no no no no no, it is a chinese ship from alibaba. it's made of plywood. oh no. so what happened there? >> sad times . >> sad times. >> sad times. >> what's the what happened there? >> do you think the ship fell over? it's not supposed to do that. >> thank you. i've been up since 4 am, so i can't quite see the screen. >> that's how ships work . >> that's how ships work. >> that's how ships work. >> ben. no, what's. >> ben. no, what's. >> what's the worst, yeah . to >> what's the worst, yeah. to the panel. what's the worst? first you've ever had? so that ship was, you know. well, i can't say first time out into the water or i'll say before the watershed . watershed. >> what's the time? the trouble is, i hasn't got any better , is, i hasn't got any better, just more of bad. that's what. >> that's my diplomatic diane. the first worst thing you've

ever had. oh, my god, actually, the thing i ever had the first worst thing i ever had or did or did, i would say actually bowling. >> i sort of turned bowling from bowling to shot put. was bowling to shot put. i was horrendously bad at it. >> i still do that now. >> i still do that now. >> yeah. it was in front of all my school friends and they just thought i was a very uncoordinated person. >> the beans, >> precious. spill the beans, well, make my first well, trying to make my first christmas i think that christmas dinner, i think that was one of the worst things i ever tried to do. but i mastered it . i managed cook the it. i managed to cook the chicken but it was raw in chicken well, but it was raw in the middle. so >> oh, first time >> oh, yeah, my first time doing, you know, what was a nightmare? but we'll that nightmare? but we'll save that for another. no. okay. sorry, for another. oh no. okay. sorry, ma'am. now with your mum. ma'am. right now with your mum. oh where's show going? oh no. where's the show going? >> not let's not let's >> that's not let's not let's not go there. >> right. let's move on. it's time to go through the winners and losers of this week. and there's plenty of nominations, including william wragg, the senior tory mp who admitted his involvement in a honeytrap sixteen scandal that pretty much engulfed parliament this week, he's not going to have the whip

removed. and by the way, chancellor jeremy removed. and by the way, chancellorjeremy hunt, what did chancellor jeremy hunt, what did he called him courageous he say? he called him courageous for out. in fact, for coming out. so, in fact, tory celebrating his tory leaders are celebrating his so—called bravery because i guess says bravely, guess nothing says bravely, bravery looking at willies bravery like looking at willies and sending your number to and sending your mates number to and sending your mates number to a spy. a guys, a potential spy. a so, guys, winner loser? william wragg winner or loser? william wragg or willie wragg, as i like to call him. >> i think he shouldn't have been doing anything that he was actually to be ashamed of actually going to be ashamed of in the first place. so yeah, loser opinion. because if loser in my opinion. because if you're open about your sexuality, wouldn't have to you're open about your sexblackmailed'ouldn't have to you're open about your sex blackmailed to ldn't have to you're open about your sex blackmailed to tell have to you're open about your sex blackmailed to tell your; to be blackmailed to tell your tale. you know, you should be open you are. yeah. open about who you are. yeah. >> not only that, not only i agree with you that he is a loser. yeah, i can understand why some people uncertain why some people are uncertain about their sexuality, but i think a massive think he made such a massive error. he was the one who sent his naked pics to the guy on ghndn his naked pics to the guy on grindr. and then when the guy on ghndr grindr. and then when the guy on grindr said, i'm going to share this with everybody, he starts giving numbers. giving out phone numbers. >> because he knew who he >> well, because he knew who he was he started to blackmail. was and he started to blackmail. >> that is not in any way >> but that is not in any way courageous. that is awful. >> why he's

>> that's why i say he's a loser. yeah. >> everybody's awful. justin >> everybody's awful. so justin was down with him. >> why are tory mps rallying around him so much? because as an isolated incident, doing that as your own as an mp, putting your own security risk is one thing. security at risk is one thing. and for that's a sackable and for me, that's a sackable offence, right? yeah. and then and for me, that's a sackable offe second ht? yeah. and then and for me, that's a sackable offe second incident. and then and for me, that's a sackable offe second incident ofnd then and for me, that's a sackable offesecond incident of dishing the second incident of dishing out your mates and your colleagues phone numbers for them that's them to also get stung, that's another they another offence. so why are they running around people's numbers? >> yeah. this is why i think if you a database i.e. your you had a database i.e. your phone contacts book. yeah. and you and you're doing this you know, and you're doing this sort say, you had sort of stuff as i say, you had a company selling conservatories, i would only give numbers of people give you the numbers of people that are homeowners, i? that are homeowners, wouldn't i? >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> about, you >> so there's more about, you know, did he give this know, why did he give him this list names? list of names? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> what are they up to? the kind of. >> he thinks they're into it. he's doing them a favour. he's a good wingman. >> oh, no, that's a really good point. >> expose them all the names of those they all fit into those people, they all fit into one group in that one particular group in that man's mind. >> what have they got in >> so what have they all got in common? well, they're all flattering a lot, so he must flattering him a lot, so he must be very at something he

be very good at something he must a lot of. be very good at something he mui a lot of. be very good at something he mui think a lot of. be very good at something he mui think a lotwas be very good at something he mui think a lot was straight, >> i think there was straight, straight as well, though, >> i think there was straight, straight there s well, though, >> i think there was straight, straight there was ll, though, >> i think there was straight, straight there was two, iough, >> i think there was straight, straight there was two, are h, >> i think there was straight, straight there was two, are they because there was two, are they though two scammers? there was a gay called charlie who gay scammer called charlie who was sending and asking for, pictures and there pictures of willies. and there was female scammer, probably was a female scammer, probably the the same the same person or the same group called was group called abby, who was texting and sending texting straight mps and sending female people run the country. >> these people run the country. they're susceptible to the nigerian prince on email. nigerian prince scam on email. >> is ridiculous that >> i mean, it is ridiculous that somebody of a public figure or an that high level would an mp of that high level would be just randomly texting someone on feel on a dating app. like, i feel like to do like if you're going to do something that, go to something like that, go to a professional. i think it's just the safest no, why would the safest option. no, why would you? just a professional sex worker? well, i'm that worker? well, i'm assuming that would better for would be a better option for them. in the them. but i always say in the newspaper, i mean, it is just now they're open to all these scandals blackmail . and it's scandals of blackmail. and it's such a such good point. if such a such a good point. if they've gone to a they've just gone to a professional. just professional. i'm just saying you're right. professional. i'm just saying youyou're1t. professional. i'm just saying youyou're saying you're saying >> you're saying you're saying it, you shouldn't even be it, but you shouldn't even be sending to grindr. some of sending it to grindr. some of them replying an them are replying to an anonymous know, so anonymous number. i know, so anonymous number. i know, so anonymous oh, do you anonymous numbers. oh, do you remember was remember me? and one of them was like, didn't want to like, oh, i didn't want to be rude and no. so i sent him a

rude and say no. so i sent him a picture of my junk. i don't know how that works. >> i just find it. >> i just find it. >> i just find it. >> i think it's quite. >> i think it's quite. >> i think it's quite. >> i just find it so low pressures. you make a really good point. actually, i've said for long time, just you for a long time, just as you know, afar, know, observing from afar, if you're profile person you're a high profile person or you're a high profile person or you cheat on your wife you want to cheat on your wife or your family, if you're into that, then make sure you're doing it properly by going maybe to, think, discretion. >> sure you're some >> make sure you're doing some common and do common sense about it. and do something that's not something someone that's not going it's not going to get going to it's not going to get back to i think, you know, back to you. i think, you know, a lot of people where they eat. excuse but they just like excuse me, but they just like work at, know, they go out work at, you know, they go out with working with people that are working with. like the with. and it's like the incorrect doing it. like, incorrect way of doing it. like, don't have relationship at don't have a relationship at work, message people on work, don't message people on ghndn work, don't message people on grindr. people on grindr. don't message people on all these apps because will all these apps because it will come way, it's 820, not >> by the way, it's 820, not 920, sorry. and even if it was 920, sorry. and even if it was 920, i don't think we get away with apologies with that. so apologies i apologise. all right apologise. that's all right i apologise. that's all right i apologise. sorry to kill the fun, so my point is it's just it's just so low grade. it is, it's just so low grade. it is, it's you'd expect from it's behaviour you'd expect from someone streetwise.

someone who's not streetwise. doesn't doing, doesn't know what they're doing, not it? not an mp, is it? >> you know, like, that's the old adage of wanting to get caught. so risky. i mean, caught. it's so risky. i mean, sending and stuff, and sending pictures and stuff, and they know who are. i don't they know who you are. i don't know, it's something more than i don't think. just naivety. know, it's something more than i dori: think. just naivety. know, it's something more than i dori think. just naivety. know, it's something more than i dori think there'sst naivety. know, it's something more than i dori think there's more vety. know, it's something more than i dori think there's more vetcome >> i think there's more to come on this. >> i think there's more to come on his. >> i think there's more to come on i think obviously there's >> i think obviously there's more to come on it. but, i just think that, >> oh, god. >> oh, god. >> just think that no >> no, i just think that no one's that especially, you one's that dumb. especially, you know, think this is like, know, i just think this is like, it's more of a danger thing, you know? >> you know what? i want to get cancelled just yet. >> just repeated you >> i just repeated what you said, yeah. said, just paused. yeah. >> said that if you >> after you said that if you want to commit adultery, do it properly. >> yeah, yeah, because you did say earlier in the program. >> yeah, yeah, because you did say no, earlier in the program. >> yeah, yeah, because you did say no, no, rlier in the program. >> yeah, yeah, because you did say no, no, iier in the program. >> yeah, yeah, because you did say no, no, i don'tthe program. >> yeah, yeah, because you did say no, no, i don't approveram. >> yeah, yeah, because you did say no, no, i don't approve of]. no, no, no, i don't approve of that all. that at all. >> but i'm just saying that if you are going to do that, be a bit shrewd about it and go to the source, said, where the source, as she said, where you you're not going to you know, you're not going to get to do so it get caught to do it so it doesn't come back to you. >> and then ruins your entire life. >> yeah, i like i like how he's doubung >> yeah, i like i like how he's doubling down on this. he's saying, yeah, make sure you do doubling down on this. he's saytog, yeah, make sure you do doubling down on this. he's sayto a yeah, make sure you do doubling down on this. he's sayto a professional. lure you do

doubling down on this. he's sayto a professional. okay. u do doubling down on this. he's sayto a professional. okay. nice go to a professional. okay. nice >> we're not going to be putting escort numbers the escort service numbers on the screen either. so if anyone's watching own watching at home, do your own homework. move on. homework. right, let's move on. who next winner and who is our next winner and loser? rowling. go loser? jk rowling. should we go with dead to up with her? she's dead to speak up for once as for women once again. as scotland's came scotland's hate crime law came into effect week. so yes, into effect this week. so yes, scotland, of course. the home of enlightenment, buckfast, iron brew, they've passed brew, mars bars. they've passed more badly brew, mars bars. they've passed more than badly brew, mars bars. they've passed more than the badly brew, mars bars. they've passed more than the ofcom badly written than the ofcom regulations. so what do we reckon? rowling? a reckon? jk rowling? is she a hero speaking up for the hero for speaking up for the safety integrity of women? safety and integrity of women? >> i believe she is. >> yes, i believe that she is. i mean, i don't actually agree with every single she with every single tweet she does. sits on, does. i mean, she sits on, twitter lot and, twitter quite a lot and, responds most of all the, you responds to most of all the, you know, the things that are happening in regards to the transgender but i do transgender community. but i do understand she's coming understand where she's coming from as woman, she's from as a woman, and she's a woman, and she has the right to her opinion. of women her opinion. a lot of women really want to speak out and say certain they're just certain things, but they're just afraid. really are afraid afraid. they really are afraid to because they don't to speak up because they don't want bad reaction what want the bad reaction of what other are going to say. other people are going to say. and i feel like as a woman, there is no reason that having a transgender individual who still

hasn't fully transitioned into your changing space, into your your changing space, into your your locker room space, into your locker room space, into your toilets, i believe having separate spaces for transgender women is fair to ask, who would you want someone who has fully transitioned in your toilet? i believe that it's fine if you fully transition and you're not half and half. >> what's the difference? apart from from the obvious? >> what's the difference? apart frorwell, from the obvious? >> what's the difference? apart frorwell, them the obvious? >> what's the difference? apart frorwell, the differencefious? >> what's the difference? apart frorwell, the difference is us? >> well, the difference is you're obviously not a threat to women and children while you're still a biological still you're still a biological man. you're not man. no, because you you're not going you are biological going to be you are a biological man. in regards to a man. you're not in regards to a penis the weapon okay? and as penis is the weapon okay? and as a woman, i would be threatened by somebody who has a penis in my space. you're my changing space. once you're fully transitioned , i'm more fully transitioned, i'm more than to accept you than happy to accept you as you are. say your name is are. if you say your name is sarah, i will call you sarah. at the of the day, that's your the end of the day, that's your prerogative. i'm going to respect you have respect you. but if you have your penis. still, i feel uncomfortable for you to be in my changing spaces and in my toilets. and that's what believe. >> justin, speaking as a trans woman, how do you feel about it, i just i woman, how do you feel about it,

ijust i agree woman, how do you feel about it, i just i agree with precious as well. and i think what you were saying, what difference does it make? it does make a difference because you've got like year because you've got like 13 year old there there's old girl in there and there's a fully grown male genitalia that way might think way round. you might not think it of there's it matters in terms of there's a man at women, man looking at the women, but i've been i've been in change room. been a bloke, you room. there's been a bloke, you know, school holidays, know, on the school holidays, had him for had my stepson changed him for swimming? bloke naked . swimming? there's a bloke naked. i'm in the change room. i'm i'm in the male change room. i'm thinking, come mate. i'm in the male change room. i'm thirwell, come mate. i'm in the male change room. i'm thirwell, you'vene mate. i'm in the male change room. i'm thirwell, you've got mate. i'm in the male change room. i'm thirwell, you've got a mate. i'm in the male change room. i'm thirwell, you've got a problem >> well, you've got a problem with got problem. >> but i thought this guy looked a i don't know, he a bit like, i don't know, he was, he was, he was, he was flashing round like a flashing it round like a lighthouse. he wanted everyone to and like, i'll to see him. and i was like, i'll come and make you aren't. you're not anything not technically doing anything wrong, bit wrong, but i sort of it's a bit l, wrong, but i sort of it's a bit i, think there has to be i, i don't think there has to be rules regulations in place rules and regulations in place for women's safety and children. >> you're in an adult >> when you're in an adult space, about space, because i'm all about having go see having fun. i love to go and see drag queens. of that drag queens. i love all of that kind of fun stuff in an adult space. this is a public space where children are and women are. a totally different are. it's a totally different situation. are. it's a totally different situationto might have never are. it's a totally different situa'thiso might have never are. it's a totally different situa'this typeght have never are. it's a totally different situa'this type of have never are. it's a totally different situa'this type of thinghave never are. it's a totally different situa'this type of thing before. ver seen this type of thing before. >> know what having

>> i just don't know what having fully the fully transitioned makes to the debate , though, because debate, though, because that person that person has a vagina and that doesn't expose your child to something that it's never seen before. so it's just the physical of seeing that the physical act of seeing that the genitalia, you're physical act of seeing that the genityour you're physical act of seeing that the genityour child you're physical act of seeing that the genityour child is you're physical act of seeing that the genityour child is having ou're physical act of seeing that the genityour child is having to re then your child is having to question their parents. >> it's like, and their parents might necessarily. >> it's like, and their parents miglet's necessarily. >> it's like, and their parents miglet's have necessarily. >> it's like, and their parents miglet's have guycessarily. >> it's like, and their parents miglet's have guy anker..y. >> let's have guy anker. >> let's have guy anker. >> think it's a really >> i just think it's a really lovely going back lovely idea because going back to think she's to jk rowling, i think she's a winner, i love the idea that winner, and i love the idea that when you she, like, seems when you said she, like, seems to a lot of on x, to spend a lot of time on x, you're right. and what i love about that is of wish about that is i kind of wish she'd like, dirtbag. about that is i kind of wish s kind like, dirtbag. about that is i kind of wish skind of like, dirtbag. about that is i kind of wish s kind of wish(e, dirtbag. about that is i kind of wish skind of wish that dirtbag. about that is i kind of wish s kind of wish that jk dirtbag. about that is i kind of wish s kind of wish that jk rowling, i kind of wish that jk rowling, instead of being the beautiful woman of wish woman she is. i kind of wish that once written harry that once she'd written harry potter, she'd let potter, she'd just let everything i kind of wish everything go. i kind of wish she was like, like morbidly obese, like obese, covered in chips, like just twitter time. just on twitter all the time. and time somebody wrote and every time somebody wrote back she just went, back to her, she just went, wrote potter. yeah do you wrote harry potter. yeah do you know what i because that's know what i mean? because that's pretty that power she is on pretty much that power she is on twitter pretty much that power she is on twi ier she's on she's >> i mean, she's on she's replying every single tweet replying to every single tweet about, know, she's about, you know, i think she's fighting fight for fighting the good fight for women everywhere. she women everywhere. i mean, she has point to make. i'm has a good point to make. i'm not disagreeing with it at all.

but do believe there is but i do believe there is a difference between somebody who still their penis and still has their penis and somebody who has fully transitioned because flash actresses out there that are not embracing necessarily being transgender because they don't want to lean into the fact that they are going to be they are just going to be transgender. there is different variations obviously being variations of obviously being your your opinion, in my opinion, is obviously different. but i believe as a woman but i do believe as a woman i'm the that deal with the one that has to deal with that on the other side, when there is females trans transitioning into men, you don't have to necessarily. i have i have to do , i have to have i have to do, i have to deal with the child aspect. >> there's a creeping transgender creep into schools. >> there's a creeping tran got|der creep into schools. >> there's a creeping tran got two creep into schools. >> there's a creeping tran got two young nto schools. >> there's a creeping tran got two young kids. :hools. >> there's a creeping tran got two young kids. yeah,. i've got two young kids. yeah, i'm for my little boy i'm fearful for my little boy going to school and coming home and to be and saying, i want to be addressed you know, he addressed with, you know, he they nobody wants they she nobody wants to transition use transition so they can use a male toilet, right? >> mean i've been in some >> i mean i've been in some wetherspoons toilets and thought about my pronouns. about changing my pronouns. >> use something >> so i could use something where actually sit down. where i could actually sit down. >> wrong with male >> why? what's wrong with male toilets, justin. >> they're not >> well, were they're not probably to different probably going to different places, mate. >> another thing.

>> that's just another thing. i don't transgender should don't think transgender should be either. be in male toilets either. i believe should have believe they should have their own spaces . i don't any own spaces. i don't wish any harm or on them or at harm or malice on them or at all. i really want them to be safe. okay, but i should have a choice as well. >> a woman, i've been talking >> as a woman, i've been talking about day and about trans people all day and all and all month and all all week and all month and all yeah all week and all month and all year. i'm getting a bit, bit year. i'm getting a bit, a bit bored, i'm bit bored, actually. i'm a bit transed so or loser, transed out. so winner or loser, jk rowling, definitely winner. >> she's a winner. >> she's a winner. >> i think she keeps standing up for in. just for what she believes in. just in that respect. >> she wrote. >> she's a winner, she wrote. >> she's a winner, she wrote. >> harry potter winner winner. okay, well let's move a okay, well let's move on. a british grandfather, who british great grandfather, who recently world's recently became the world's oldest weekly . oldest man has said his weekly. can you guess? fish and chips are the key to his longevity. so john tinniswood, aged 11! and there he is on screen with was that cod and chips? he reckons his long life is largely down to consuming the british staple meal and taking, quote, everything moderation . so everything in moderation. so it's never burgers or lager, is it, diane? >> no, which is weird, really, because you think about the amount of protein burger amount of protein in a burger and sure that lager is and i'm sure that lager is actually for you you

actually good for you when you balance out. but i think balance it all out. but i think it's do the omega three it's to do with the omega three in the fish . and when you in the in the fish. and when you deep i'm that deep fry it, i'm sure that activates all of the positive. i was going to say surely, surely, deep frying it in that filth totally wipes out any. >> it's got to do with the food. >> it's got to do with the food. >> you until you said >> i was with you until you said deep fried . and i was like, it's deep fried. and i was like, it's not. i mean, fish does have all the nutrients that you for. the nutrients that you look for. i guess working for him i guess it's working for him because lived so long. because he's lived so long. i mean, i mean, that's mean, 111, i mean, that's a long, time. everybody who long, long time. everybody who lives age or like lives to this age or like everybody to them, what's everybody says to them, what's your ? your secret? >> and you all come out with all these weird and they go, these weird things and they go, oh, walnuts. yes. i eat 16 walnuts day. walnuts a day. >> a lot of italians >> there's a lot of italians that say they drink, you know, red a day, and that red wine a day, and that keeps them fresh. i mean, them young and fresh. i mean, everyone a different, you everyone has a different, you know, as to why it's not know, outcome as to why it's not the fish and chips, it's the discipline. >> you can see the kind of guy he was. he's like, defers his gratification, rewards himself with him with something that makes him happy. it all the happy. he doesn't eat it all the time. about time. and it is about moderation. it's more time. and it is about moderhis n. it's more time. and it is about moderhis general it's more time. and it is about moderhis general charactere time. and it is about moderhis general character than about his general character than the it's fish and the fact that it's fish and chips. if he did one thing he

loved week him happy chips. if he did one thing he lovekeepreek him happy chips. if he did one thing he lovekeep him him happy chips. if he did one thing he lovekeep him looking him happy chips. if he did one thing he lovekeep him looking forwardypy chips. if he did one thing he lovekeep him looking forward to and keep him looking forward to it. it if it was it. whatever it was, if it was a pizza, i don't think so. >> he said. he's father of >> he said. he's a father of one. lives in a care in one. he lives in a care home in southport in merseyside, and he took the world's southport in merseyside, and he took man the world's southport in merseyside, and he took man this the world's southport in merseyside, and he took man this week/orld's southport in merseyside, and he took man this week following oldest man this week following the death of year old called the death of 114 year old called joanne juan. do reckon joanne juan. do you reckon he celebrated in venezuela? celebrated that in venezuela? >> mr tinniswood, was >> yes, mr tinniswood, he was born in 1912, the same year as the so he's outlasted the titanic. so he's outlasted the titanic. so he's outlasted the . everyone has done the titanic. everyone has done that. two world that. and he survived two world wars global pandemic. wars and a global pandemic. >> and owns a fish and chip shop. >> yeah, well that's amazing. i mean, , that was my next. and mean, yes, that was my next. and he's for that long. why he's lived for that long. why not so asked for advice for >> so when asked for advice for younger said let >> so when asked for advice for youngmake said let >> so when asked for advice for youngmake their said let >> so when asked for advice for youngmake their own said let >> so when asked for advice for youngmake their own wayaid let >> so when asked for advice for youngmake their own way in let >> so when asked for advice for youngmake their own way in the them make their own way in the world. we're all different in different the its different ways. the world in its way is always changing. it's sort experience. sort of an ongoing experience. he very philosophical, he sounds very philosophical, doesn't it's doesn't he? it's getting a little bit better, but not all that it is going the that much yet. it is going the right way, he said. moderation in moving in all things and keep moving about. i think that's the important thing. keep moving around. like to know how around. i'd like to know how much his first portion of fish and costs compared to what and chips costs compared to what they cost now. >> bet that'd be interesting.

>> i bet that'd be interesting. >> i bet that'd be interesting. >> yeah. >> oh yeah. >> oh yeah. >> some yesterday. >> yeah, i got some yesterday. >> yeah, i got some yesterday. >> out. fish and chips. >> wow. yeah didn't realise >> wow. yeah i didn't realise that. mean, that's ridiculous, that. i mean, that's ridiculous, isn't is that like isn't it? but is that like a full cod and then chips. yeah. >> the portions you get >> but the portions you get are absolutely i get absolutely huge. like when i get absolutely huge. like when i get a that is sort of me down a kebab that is sort of me down for meals. it's i mean, it's for two meals. it's i mean, it's kind fantastic , but yeah, kind of fantastic, but yeah, it's a lot. kind of fantastic, but yeah, it's i'myt. kind of fantastic, but yeah, it's i'm not really a fast food >> i'm not really a fast food person. i like to eat quite healthy. >> when was the last time you had fish chips? had fish and chips? >> it's been a while. >> it's been a while. >> nine. >> nine. >> i find it bland. >> i find it bland. >> not my thing. not somewhere. if to do a treat, it's if i'm going to do a treat, it's not be fish and chips. not going to be fish and chips. >> what >> so what is it? >> so what is it? >> it's probably going be >> it's probably going to be pizza. i love pizza. >> pizza. i had fish >> yeah, yeah, pizza. i had fish and yesterday. and chips yesterday. and actually have it now and actually i'll have it now and then once, then i'll then maybe once, and then i'll have leave it for few have to leave it for a few months then get the months and then i'll get the inspiration. you live inspiration. you can live forever, mate. inspiration. you can live foreyou're ate. inspiration. you can live foreyou're going to forever. >> you're going to live forever. >> you're going to live forever. >> actually yeah, >> actually i don't yeah, i don't my wife would like don't think my wife would like that, okay, move that, right. okay, let's move on. saturday night on. next. on the saturday night showdown, a bbc radio has showdown, a bbc radio dj has landed trouble for landed himself in trouble for upsetting children. not like landed himself in trouble for upseti ng children. not like landed himself in trouble for upseti don'tildren. not like landed himself in trouble for upseti don'tildreany not like landed himself in trouble for upseti don'tildreany ideas. like landed himself in trouble for upseti don'tildreany ideas. i'm that. i don't get any ideas. i'm going show

hello. welcome back. ben. leo. with you on the saturday night showdown , culture corner coming showdown, culture corner coming up. but first, i promised you i'd show you what happened when skater boys started showing . skater boys started showing. off. >> hijo de boom boom . woo >> hijo de boom boom. woo. >> hijo de boom boom. woo. >> oh, dear. bunch of yobs. did they deserve that ? they deserve that? >> well, they didn't deserve it, but it was funny. >> i mean, if i have that, if i had that riff raff skating outside my gaff, i'd want a bunch of. >> oh, i thought you were talking about cyclist. oh, yeah. >> i mean, the cyclist. >> i mean, the cyclist. >> yeah. cyclist boys, middle aged in they deserve

>> yeah. cyclist boys, middle ag be in they deserve >> yeah. cyclist boys, middle ag be in over. they deserve to be knocked over. >> i with you. i'm >> no, i agree with you. i'm going take back my point. going to take back my point. yeah yeah, it should be the skater down skater boys mowing down those, like, rollouts. >> definitely >> yeah, definitely like a landmine on wasn't it? landmine on wheels. wasn't it? taking him out. >> have ever, have you ever >> have you ever, have you ever stacked showing precious. stacked it showing off precious. no save my no i can't skateboard to save my life. are we life. anything else? are we showing else? showing off anything else? dancing. know full dancing. well, you know full well, i've been skating. >> skiing. always >> like skiing. sorry i always try down the wrong slopes, try to go down the wrong slopes, because is what. because obviously blue is what. but i ended going down the but i ended up going down the black once, and almost black slope once, and i almost killed myself. >> you've never had and >> so you've never had fish and chips? yeah. >> skiing and chips. >> you go skiing fish and chips. >> you go skiing fish and chips. >> of the elite? >> are you part of the elite? >> are you part of the elite? >> you an illuminati? used >> are you an illuminati? i used to be. >> i used to be skater. >> i used to be a skater. >> i used to be a skater. >> come guys. yeah. >> come on guys. yeah. >> come on guys. yeah. >> for years. skateboard. yeah. skateboard. >> yeah. are you good? skateboard. >> ieah. are you good? skateboard. >> ieah. lsnow,| good? skateboard. >> ieah. lsnow, it good? skateboard. >> ieah. lsnow, it wasiood? skateboard. >> ieah. lsnow, it was so.i? skateboard. >> atah. lsnow, it was so.i? skateboard. >> at least now, it was so.i? skateboard. >> at least now, itsomething i >> at least that's something i can ski. >> are so posh, aren't you? >> you are so posh, aren't you? you're neverjudge a book by its cove r. >> coven >> i'm very. wow enough to >> i'm very. wow posh enough to shoplift, ski, i so i'm shoplift, i can ski, i so i'm very offensive. >> that was very offensive. let me say you seem like a normal, down to earth woman of the people person, but in actual fact , that's what you're trying fact, that's what you're trying

to say. >> it didn't come out like that. but it's all good. >> i'm gonna dig myself out of this now by moving on to the next segment. so i rented next segment. right. so i rented flat birkenhead, which flat in birkenhead, which was crafted 30 into crafted over 30 years into an extraordinary outsider extraordinary palace of outsider art, has given grade two art, has been given grade two listed this flat in listed status. so this flat in wirral, known as ron's place, nice . it's thought to be nice name. it's thought to be the uk's only example of outsider art be nationally outsider art to be nationally listed. so this got me thinking. what buildings grant what buildings would you grant grade two to if you were grade two status to if you were in your viewers at home in charge? your viewers at home let me know. gb views gb news. com seeing the pictures com so we're seeing the pictures here from ron's place , he's got here from ron's place, he's got a sort of tributes to the egyptian , to the romans, all egyptian, to the romans, all sorts of things like that. does it deserve a grade two listed status, by the way? this guy ron, so he was just a tenant living flat i think living in the flat and i think behind his landlord's back, or maybe just went and, you maybe not. he just went and, you know, on the walls and know, went wild on the walls and the . the floors. >> it looks to me like the start of program, used to have of that program, we used to have kim aggie on. well, they kim and aggie on. well, they used clean up used to go in and clean up someone's looks someone's flat. it looks like, oh, at state this. oh, look at the state of this. we're to sort it out, but

we're going to sort it out, but they're going to like preserve it. it very strange. they're going to like preserve itfind it very strange. they're going to like preserve itfind it it very strange. they're going to like preserve itfind it quite t very strange. they're going to like preserve itfind it quite intimate �*ange. they're going to like preserve itfind it quite intimate looking i find it quite intimate looking inside and inside people's houses. and i think it because think we all love it because have you noticed now i don't know you on your know if you get it on your social media. some news outlets will have a link to like rightmove oh, rightmove and it'll be like, oh, look it'll be look at this house, it'll be painted and painted pink inside. and everyone in everyone loves looking in people's hundreds of people's houses and hundreds of thousands. me thousands. and it makes me think, what readers thousands. and it makes me think, are what readers thousands. and it makes me think, are all what readers thousands. and it makes me think, are all about?eaders thousands. and it makes me think, are all about?ead> you did like a house full of things that they've collected over the years, and it looks a bit honest. bit junky, to be honest. it looks a skip. and looks like a skip. yeah, and they're do tours they're going to do mini tours of don't know who's going of it. i don't know who's going to buy tickets to see it. well, one one fan is pulp singer jarvis said small jarvis cocker, who said a small number people the planet number of people on the planet have a while that have known for a while that ron's place is a very special place, from it's official. >> he said, said the work of >> he said, he said the work of one gentleman in the one unique gentleman in the north england been north of england has been recognised globally, recognised nationally, globally, even. just even. hallelujah! i mean, ijust can't excited about some old can't get excited about some old duffer who's done up his. >> i think you are being so dismissive. i think you're so wrong there. like i have a real

love for people who can't ice cakes properly and they post their pictures online and you get these horrendous, ugly taxidermy. oh, i love bad taxidermy. oh, i love bad taxidermy . i love terrible cakes taxidermy. i love terrible cakes and some of the art in this house. >> would you buy a ticket to go to that house? >> yes, i would, i want to see a fully fledged british eccentric chisholm in all of its glory. it's like he's he's banksy his entire house. >> he has kind of banksy. >> he has kind of banksy. >> reminds me of louis tussauds in great yarmouth in norfolk. there was this knock off madame tussauds, it was hilarious tussauds, and it was hilarious that no one looked like anyone. and was the day out. and it was the best day out. yes, it's hate watching sort of thing. >> the willy wonka , the willy >> the willy wonka, the willy wonka. yeah, i'd have gone to that now. people are madly trying get tickets. they're trying to get tickets. they're trying to get tickets. they're trying get event trying to get the event re—invite it because people want to go to the crappest wonka experience . experience. >> i've had the same thing with the wonderland. they the winter wonderland. they do it year, they? it every year, don't they? someone winter someone tries to the winter wonderland. the thing wonderland. it's the worst thing even wonderland. it's the worst thing ever. line. ever. so let's go down the line. so you give

so what building would you give grade status to? grade two listed status to? precious going to say precious i'm just going to say selfridges and harry's. cos i hope that the high street doesn't leave and think doesn't leave us. and i think those staple staples , those two are staple staples, you know, stores that we need to have around. >> not really trying >> yeah, she's not really trying to from the posh to move away from the posh label. the oh label. very of the people. oh don't worry, i'm going sports direct. >> no, i mean sports direct. >> no, i mean sports direct. >> no. i think for me, i don't know if it has been probably, vivienne the shop vivienne westwood at the shop called kings road, where called sex on kings road, where all punk movement all the whole punk movement started. something like that. oh, that was oh, really? yeah. yeah, that was the from which the oak the acorn from which the oak tree punk something tree of punk grew. something likewhat's now? >> what's there now? >> what's there now? >> don't know, i don't know, >> i don't know, i don't know, but like to be put back. probably >> probably an artisan coffee shop where they charge you about £5 croissant. you. £5 for a croissant. you. >> for a woolworth's. >> i would go for a woolworth's. >> i would go for a woolworth's. >> mix >> oh, the pick and mix everything. bring it back to childhood then. >> no, just one woolworth. just one. preferably the one in yeovil. because that's the one that i knew when i was growing up. then just go up. and then you would just go and would take your children and you would take your children or and you'd go, or your step kids and you'd go, look, yes. look, children. yes. >> used they used to be all >> used to, they used to be all over the place.

>> that massive book of posters just. poster book. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> it would seeing high >> it would be nice seeing high street remained in years >> it would be nice seeing high st|come, remained in years >> it would be nice seeing high st|come, because led in years >> it would be nice seeing high st|come, because id in years >> it would be nice seeing high st|come, because i believe rs >> it would be nice seeing high st|come, because i believe that to come, because i believe that it's disappear. and it's going to disappear. and young won't see young children won't see a woolworths. >> know, got >> you know, they've got woollies australia . i'm not woollies in australia. i'm not sure the parent sure if it's the same parent company at all linked company or if it's at all linked to british one, but they've to the british one, but they've got a woolworths in australia. >> different. got a woolworths in australia. >> yeah, different. got a woolworths in australia. >> yeah, probablyt. different. >> that's shame. i'd give >> that's a shame. i'd give i'd give grade listed to give grade two listed status to the old highbury ground, which is it's a block flats is well, it's a block of flats at the in n5 in the at the moment in n5 in the middle. a bit of old middle. it's a bit of the old highbury i'd give highbury pitch, but i'd give that listed status. by that grade two listed status. by the way, arsenal beat brighton three afternoon. three nil this afternoon. so back the lead. back to the top of the lead. about of the top of about top of the lead. top of the league yeah. so good the league rather yeah. so good news. let's move on to news. right. let's move on to the next the king the next one. the king. king charles, allow public tours charles, who allow public tours of the of balmoral this summer for the first the scottish first time in the scottish castle's small groups castle's history, small groups will shown around the will be shown around the interior guides. interior by experienced guides. maybe harry, do you maybe prince harry, do you reckon meghan showing them around? taking around? something to do, taking in several by the in several rooms used by the king queen. 40 tickets day king and queen. 40 tickets a day will the quote will be sold for the quote castle tour for £100 or castle interior tour for £100 or £150 if afternoon tea is £50 for

afternoon tea, that's that's pretty steep . pretty steep. >> well, you wouldn't even pay that, would you? >> i mean, i would pay that. i don't know what you guys bargain basement for. precious that is. >> she normally pays for >> she normally pays 150 for assuming. >> she normally pays 150 for ass don't. >> she normally pays 150 for ass don't bring like assumptions >> don't bring like assumptions onto me. >> i like my see, you don't see yourself, precious. >> there's nothing wrong with that. there's nothing with that. there's nothing wrong with liking work liking nice things. i work extremely i deserve extremely hard, and i deserve what i work for. i mean, it's nothing wrong with that. >> pay for >> no, you would pay £50 for a high balmoral. high tea at balmoral. >> pay £150 to attend that. >> no, not all. how much? and >> no, not at all. how much? and for different reasons. not because it costs too much. >> fair. >> oh that's fair. >> oh that's fair. >> right. how would. >> all right. how much would. yeah. see to go round yeah. but see £100 to go round balmoral. much to go around balmoral. how much to go around ron's you're essentially ron's place. you're essentially looking around the same thing you don't pay for this anyway. >> don't we pay for this anyway. haven't we already paid for. >> trying to say it's like, >> i'm trying to say it's like, where is the going? where is the funds going? >> that's all. that's what i. >> that's all. that's what i. >> they're charging >> i think they're charging this. they must be hard up for money. even afford to money. they can't even afford to pay money. they can't even afford to pay to do a decent pay someone to do a decent photoshop fiverr. photoshop job on fiverr. >> god. they should

>> oh my god. yeah they should save up for a better app so they can of send out royal photos. >> they always say bad things about and she's about meghan markle and she's releasing lifestyle brand releasing that lifestyle brand and asking and everyone online is asking where is the funds going? where is oh, what's it is the fund? oh, what's it called them charities. called them to charities. it's called them to charities. it's called riviera orchard called american riviera orchard and for me, put your mind up. it just makes it doesn't make sense that they keep going on at her and then they're doing this. the royal family are tickets royal family are doing tickets for it's like, where are for £150. it's like, where are they donating that money to? where money going ? i where is the money going? i don't you don't you mean like they just be going on they can't just be like going on at harry and then at meghan and harry and then they're that. just they're doing that. it just doesn't . doesn't. >> i'll on a serious >> all i'll say on a serious point is that the family point is that the royal family are net benefit economically are a net benefit economically to so we'll to the united kingdom. so we'll leave it at that, one last final story, shall we? a bit of time for that . so another day, for that. so another day, another literary classic, hacked to death some dj with to death by some stupid dj with a haircut . greg a equally stupid haircut. greg james, the radio 1 dj, and chris smith, the bbc newsreader . smith, the bbc newsreader. they've been criticised for calling twit's glass eye calling mrs. twit's glass eye quote , disgusting. greg later

quote, disgusting. greg later released an apology, saying he and smith were, quote, devastated to have caused offence and the royal national institute of blind people have said there's nothing at all revolting about about prosthetic eyes. we think they are brilliant. i guess all this could have been avoided if we just left roald dahl's books alone , right, justin? alone, right, justin? >> yeah, i mean, where does it end? we're going to give, like, long silver his foot back long john silver his foot back or you what mean? i don't or you know what i mean? i don't think saying people with think they're saying people with glass disgusting. the glass eyes are disgusting. the character has character is disgusting and has a disgusting assuming a disgusting glass. i'm assuming that like, not well that means it's like, not well kept know. is that kept and i don't know. is that what it means? >> yeah, because mrs. twit what it means? >:supposed ah, because mrs. twit what it means? >:supposed to because mrs. twit what it means? >:supposed to be cause mrs. twit what it means? >:supposed to be revolting.. twit is supposed to be revolting. she's a horrible woman because she's horrible inside she's horrible on the inside and she's horrible on the inside and she's horrible. become she's so horrible. she's become horrible outside . that is horrible on the outside. that is her character description in horrible on the outside. that is her chdahl's description in horrible on the outside. that is her chdahl's book.iption in roald dahl's book. >> and you, they're saying that it's offending people that actually have glass eyes. no, i get that. >> but my point is, is that you can like, think of it like can have like, think of it like shoes. you can have a nice pair of and can a of shoes and you can have a revolting saying revolting pair of shoes saying that person is

that one person who is a revolting person has a revolting glass eye. >> yeah. >> yes. yeah. >> yes. yeah. >> can i tell you what? >> can i tell you what? >> i agree you? look at >> i agree with you? look at this guy here. yeah, there's worse out there. this guy here. yeah, there's worgymnastic out there. this guy here. yeah, there's worgymnastic guy. it there. this guy here. yeah, there's worgymnastic guy. are ere. this guy here. yeah, there's worgymnastic guy. are you >> gymnastic guy. are you assuming. assuming assuming. are you assuming that's a guy, that or they that's a guy, that guy, or they them absolute wrong? them is an absolute wrong? >> beard. he's >> and look at his beard. he's got! don't know who he is, but >> i don't know who he is, but a pair of tweezers wouldn't kill him. look at them eyebrows. >> of the >> that's the point of the twits. supposed to twits. they're supposed to be revolting. you revolting. and like, you can have absolutely beautiful, have an absolutely beautiful, gorgeous prosthetic it's gorgeous prosthetic eye. it's just revolting. gorgeous prosthetic eye. it's justdisgusting. revolting. it's disgusting. >> my point in a >> if hagrid was my point in a child's book. how child's book. hagrid, how offended by gollum from lord of the because they keep the rings because they keep going the precious. going on about the precious. that thing is absolutely. oh yeah. i think that all the yeah. yeah i think that all the time. and it's like it's the most scariest looking thing, but nobody anything that nobody says anything about that thing. do that to you thing. do people do that to you in school? >> they bully you with that or college whatever? >> they bully you with that or colii ge whatever? >> they bully you with that or colii mean, vhatever? >> they bully you with that or colii mean, vhateywas >> they bully you with that or col|imean,vhate\was bit >> they bully you with that or colii mean, vhateywas bit later >> i mean, no, i was a bit later on i wasn't in school, on in life. i wasn't in school, but was as an adult. get it but i was as an adult. i get it on media all the time. on social media all the time. she was skiing. >> yeah. she wasn't in >> yeah. yeah. she wasn't in school. was or going school. she was skiing or going to harry. >> i was in private school. >> i was in private school.

>> in an >> well, you're in an international school trip to zunch international school trip to zuryeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> right. m >> okay. all right. coming up next showdown, next on the saturday showdown, a chinese now giving chinese restaurant is now giving tips bosses rather than tips to the bosses rather than staff. i hate story . i'm so staff. i hate this story. i'm so big tipping. if the big on tipping. if the waitresses it. so we're big on tipping. if the waitre toes it. so we're big on tipping. if the waitre to get it. so we're big on tipping. if the waitre to get stuck it. so we're big on tipping. if the waitre to get stuck into 0 we're big on tipping. if the waitre to get stuck into that.re going to get stuck into that. and i suppose that is communism for i'm going show for you. plus, i'm going to show you what when gender you what happened when gender reveals

hello. welcome back. you're with the saturday night show. down with me , ben liu, and my lovely with me, ben liu, and my lovely panel with me, ben liu, and my lovely panel. so the middle classes are on the rob , did you know? but on the rob, did you know? but first, i promised i'd show you what at this gender what happened at this gender reveal look. reveal party. so take a look. little girl throwing the ball boot purple. >> oh, purple. >> oh, purple. >> so why are they smoke? >> so why are they smoke? >> means what, the new pope. >> means what, the new pope. >> the new pope? what's what's going on there? so purple, i guess. i guess the colours messed up, right? not blue. >> oh , there we go. >> oh, there we go.

>> oh, there we go. >> it's on. >>- >> it's on. >> oh, maybe it's maybe. >> oh, maybe it's maybe. >> maybe it's that girl from willy wonka that turned into blueberry. >> but they must think that it's a girl. or maybe purple. >> maybe it's a non—binary child. oh, yeah. >> pink makes >> blue and pink mix makes purple, no. that's purple, does it? no. that's right, and white. right, red and white. >> is it a genderless child, perhaps? >> no, i think it's just >> no, no, i think it's just that poor bystander that some poor bystander got completely covered in purple. >> well, they did. >> well, they did. >> was his granddad's >> that was his granddad's ashes. other child to be. oh, it >> the other child to be. oh, it looks similar new flag . looks similar to the new flag. >> i guess the point was the person who got dunked in that purple stuff. but why is it purple? pink. purple? it should be pink. well, what of get your money what kind of i'd get your money back that gender reveal back on that gender reveal stuff, they're hedging bets. >> yeah, i you know, i hate that gender reveal stuff. i know it's so it's cringe . so american. it's so cringe. >> a weird, isn't it? >> it's a bit weird, isn't it? having a party to guess having a party to go. guess what? we've looked at our baby naked, no good for naked, like, yeah, no good for you. no one cares. >> you're a bunch think >> you're a bunch of i think i think it's nice to know so you can stick plan ahead, but can stick like, plan ahead, but i think you need to make a i don't think you need to make a whole it. whole party of it. >> yeah, okay, well, let's get stuck my favourite story of stuck into my favourite story of the a chinese the day, which is a chinese restaurant. they've replaced the day, which is a chinese resta right, they've replaced the day, which is a chinese resta right, withy've replaced

the day, which is a chinese resta right, withy'v so—called tips, right, with a so—called brand that reward brand charge that will reward bosses working bosses instead of hard working staff. pong , which runs staff. so ping pong, which runs a of restaurants, they've a string of restaurants, they've removed to pay removed the option to pay a 12.5% service charge as customers face a 15% brand fee instead. and it's made the change ahead of fresh legislation this summer that will force restaurants to pass on tips directly to on any relevant tips directly to workers. it's stories like workers. so it's stories like these that make me want to become a communist. justin keeping all the cash for themselves again. >> another company that wants to be skynet. i mean, when you're taking removing the taking you're removing the incentive for the people to serve the whole point serve you. well, the whole point of is you're buying the of a tip is you're buying the food from the food or whatever from the establishment, the you establishment, the chef, you know, the know, you can compliment the chef, but tip the waitstaff chef, but you tip the waitstaff traditionally, so traditionally, don't you? so you're and you're you're in the place and you're you're in the place and you're decor, the nice you're a nice decor, the nice food. if you get really good food. but if you get really good service and you tip the waiter andifs service and you tip the waiter and it's up to them good the and it's up to them how good the service give you, why service is, they give you, why would remove incentive? would you remove that incentive? >> thing you know, >> but the thing is, you know, obviously uk is not known obviously the uk is not known for tipping. so they include that bill already. that 12.5% in the bill already. and removing it. so and now they're removing it. so it necessarily go the it doesn't necessarily go to the waiter. it doesn't necessarily go to the waite|should do so this this new

>> it should do so this this new legislation they're bringing in the force the summer. it's going to force businesses. it's going businesses. well so it's going to businesses, from keeping to stop businesses, from keeping all the tips themselves. all the tips for themselves. it's force them to it's going to force them to share amongst their so share it amongst their staff. so to get around what's it to get around this, what's it called? pong. ping pong . called? ping pong. ping pong. yeah. like some amsterdam. >> restaurant, shop >> the restaurant, coffee shop or something. >> to the one in covent >> i went to the one in covent garden, didn't know. >> that's the case. obviously that's, you know, was going to be the but for me be the thing, but for me personally, they're personally, it's like they're saying a saying it's saying it's a seasonal . so obviously seasonal thing. so obviously when it's when when it's peak, it's when the people get really people are going to get really good but when it's like good tips. but when it's like out season, they're going out of season, they're not going to get the tips that they want. >> was it clear then? was it clear that where the money was going. >> no, it's not clear. and you you this why this is you know, this is why this is why say should have cash. why i say we should have cash. because, you know, at the end of the someone to me, the day, if someone says to me, a says to me that 12.5% a waiter says to me that 12.5% is going me. the way, is not going to me. by the way, just know, won't, just so you know, i won't, i won't, i will. i wouldn't tip and i would give them cash. i would always tip. think that's and i would give them cash. i wouithey/ays tip. think that's and i would give them cash. i wouithey really). think that's and i would give them cash. i wouithey really). thin hard t's fair. they really worked hard and none of the tips. and they get none of the tips. it needs. >> to be clear, i wouldn't give

this brand loyalty, whether it's called would say take called i would i would say take that i would leave it. that off, but i would leave it. tip on brands. >> going to bosses. >> thing is going to the bosses. no, no, what i'm saying. no, no, that's what i'm saying. >> wouldn't pay but >> i wouldn't pay that. yeah but if they made it clear, if they haven't made it clear, you little extra you see a little extra percentage the 12.5, whatever. >> 15. whatever. >> you 5. whatever. >> you can assume it's a tip, aren't you? so by the way, aren't you? oh, so by the way, it's a bit sneaky. >> i had this debate earlier on another the shows another one of the many shows i've is a i've done today, what is a sensible percentage rate? sensible percentage tip rate? >> on what you're >> oh, it depends on what you're like, much the bill is, i like, how much the bill is, i think what of the bill, think what percent of the bill, the bill, the lower the higher the bill, the lower the higher the bill, the lower the percentage, for sure. >> yeah. >> really? oh for me. yeah. yeah, money, mate. if yeah, just more money, mate. if i someone fiver i drop someone a fiver for a kebab, i'm the king of that place a month. place for a month. >> when i. >> yeah, when i. >> yeah, when i. >> extra extra meat. >> extra meat. extra meat. >> extra meat. extra meat. >> don't you find lot of >> but don't you find a lot of british people are very like, when get the bill and it when you get the bill and it already says they've already added of people added the tip, a lot of people will too shy to actually say, will be too shy to actually say, oh, take that polite. oh, can you take that polite. >> a trick. >> i do a trick. >>— >> i do a trick. >> got a little. not if, >> i've got a little. not if, not if the actual because you asked waiters sometimes they asked the waiters sometimes they don't say it loudly, obviously, asked the waiters sometimes they don they' it loudly, obviously, asked the waiters sometimes they don they say,yudly, obviously, asked the waiters sometimes they don they say, yudly know, yusly, asked the waiters sometimes they don they say, yudly know, is;ly, asked the waiters sometimes they don they say,yudly know, is that but they say, you know, is that going like i'll is going to me? like i'll say, is that to the waiter? that going to you to the waiter?

and go, no, it's not. and they'll go, no, it's not. >> shall we and squeeze in >> shall we try and squeeze in one story? so co—op right. one more story? so co—op right. the supermarket, they're trying to the to launch a crackdown on the surge class surge in middle class shoplifters it suffered shoplifters after it suffered a £70 from thieves £70 million hit from thieves last is it guardian last year. so is it the guardian reading eating wokerati reading tofu eating wokerati that behind that are actually behind the recent shoplifting recent spate of shoplifting pressures? i don't think so, to be honest. >> i've been shops and >> i've been in shops and i don't want you know, say don't want to, you know, say anything about homeless anything bad about homeless people. like people. but i do feel like it's the that are the homeless people that are stealing than a stealing a lot more than she's a woman middle class. woman of the middle class. >> it's the middle class. >> it's the middle class. >> it's the middle class. >> i that the homeless >> i think that the homeless people more than people are stealing more than anybody lot of them are >> i think a lot of them are very bold. >> go into the shops like >> they go into the shops like boots and superdrug's they boots and superdrug's and they just and drink. >> yeah, but they're not nicking a pickled quail's eggs. that's the middle class are stealing. those the middle class are stealing. thoyeah, they're saying that >> yeah, but they're saying that it's because of the it's an issue because of the middle class. >> middle class, when >> well, the middle class, when they white collar they do commit white collar crime to up crime as opposed to keep up appearances, i there's so appearances, i think there's so much these people that much shame in these people that have sort of have got this sort of like outwardly, you know, perceived they've up they've got everything. keep up with tend to with the joneses. they tend to turn don't they? yeah. turn to crime, don't they? yeah. because can't lose face. because they can't lose face. >> bored celebrities >> and bored celebrities like richard madeley they're

richard madeley like they're shoving things shoving champagne down as things go. like this for later. >> but he's telling that i think it's if you go into my it's telling. if you go into my where tells you live. where it tells where you live. so you where if you so if you where you live, if you lived lives, the lived where precious lives, the champagne all right. champagne would be, all right. should over the most should we cross over to the most the middle man i know the most middle class man i know who on the next is mark who is, on the show next is mark dolan. what's in store for us tonight, mark? >> pure class baby. >> pure class baby. >> well, in my big opinion, schools aren't safe for children i >> -- >> find out why shortly. also, would margaret thatcher make it into this very centrist tory party that currently govern the country and prince andrew features in more hollywood films this weekend than tom cruise. i'll be dealing with him in no uncertain terms in my take at ten. >> oh good stuff. sounds like a cracking show. thank you mark. looking you looking forward to it. thank you guys panel guys to, my great panel, precious justin , diane, really precious justin, diane, really appreciate you guys appreciate it. i hope you guys have enjoyed home. thanks have enjoyed it at home. thanks for emails. i'll see you for your emails. i'll see you next and is the next week. and up next is the great mark dolan. have a good one. .

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could be heavy in places. perhaps some thunder perhaps some hail and thunder mixed and could cause mixed in too, and could cause some flooding across some localised flooding across southwestern parts. southeast england definitely holding on to the best of the sunshine, but with a strong southwesterly breeze whole of the with a strong southwesterly breewe'll whole of the with a strong southwesterly breewe'll take whole of the with a strong southwesterly breewe'll take the whole of the with a strong southwesterly breewe'll take the edge of the with a strong southwesterly breewe'll take the edge offthe uk, we'll take the edge off those temperatures. despite those temperatures. but despite being monday being 16 or 17 degrees monday will start dry across northern ireland and much of scotland, but it will turn increasingly cloudy as we head through the morning. another low morning. another area of low pressure moving from the pressure moving in from the southwest, particularly southwest, turning particularly heavy across western heavy that rain across western parts of england and into northern later . further northern ireland later. further unsettled weather the unsettled weather through the first week, with first part of next week, with temperatures generally a little bit above average. but there are some something a little some hints of something a little bit later the week . bit drier later in the week. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar for sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> we've got a good team tonight . chloe, sebastian, maria and katie. let's have some fun, shall we? it's 9:00 on television. on radio and online, in the united kingdom and across the world. this is mark dolan tonight. schools are no longer safe for children. find out why in just a moment. when i reveal the mad and dangerous ideas being peddled to our kids. in the big story, as rishi sunak strikes a deal with nhs consultants, would a labour government mean five years of union chaos ? the mail newspaper union chaos? the mail newspaper are reporting that dogs and cats are reporting that dogs and cats are getting badly sick after easter. what's going on? i'll be asking. my mark meets guest itv . asking. my mark meets guest itv. this morning's in—house vet doctor scott miller . also doctor scott miller. also tonight, as it shifts to the left . would margaret thatcher left. would margaret thatcher even make it into this modern day conservative party? i'll be asking her former top adviser, nigel gardiner, and he might

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