gb news. >> good morning, and welcome to the camilla tominey show. i'm delighted to be back after a little cheeky easter week. awake in fuerteventura. very nice. it was two, but i have missed quite a lot because it was another busy week in westminster , busy week in westminster, bringing another of bringing another set of headaches government headaches for the government from trap. sexing from the honey trap. sexing affair to blue on blue attacks by sir ian allan duncan. i was going to say sir iain duncan smith, he wouldn't be responsible for on blue. responsible for blue on blue. can sunak the focus can rishi sunak bring the focus back his five point plan? back on his five point plan? i'll be asking deputy prime i'll be asking the deputy prime minister, dowden, his minister, oliver dowden, for his thoughts the turmoil thoughts on all the tory turmoil with the cabinet currently split on and prime on israel and former prime ministers david cameron and bods ministers david cameron and boris poles apart on boris johnson. poles apart on the i'll be asking former the issue, i'll be asking former foreign minister tobias ellwood whether still be whether we should still be selling arms to israel in light of the death this week of three british aid workers in gaza. i'll also be speaking to tony blair's former political secretary, john mctiernan. as the poll suggests, labour the latest poll suggests, labour is win mammoth is on course to win a mammoth 400 does he think we're

400 seats. does he think we're going witness a 1997 style going to witness a 1997 style landslide? author and landslide? feminist author and journalist julie bindel will be sharing her thoughts on the arrest, threats facing jk rowling over her gender critical views in scotland, and whether the government has lost its way with trans guidance in schools. and the author, alexander larman, will be speaking about his latest book, power and glory, which looks at britain's most royals. most famous family, the royals. starting duke of starting with the duke of windsor's war time treachery and ending with the coronation of elizabeth ii. it's going to be a full on 90 minutes this morning, so you won't want to go anywhere all right, let's get stuck into the sunday papers. and i'm delighted to be joined by my telegraph colleague, the columnist and sketchwriter madeline grant this morning, madeleine. lovely to see you. thank thank for coming thank you. thank you for coming in, there's quite a lot to go at, actually. again, we've got reports on the front of the

sunday telegraph. this is james heale. written an opinion heale. he's written an opinion piece the newspaper, piece for the newspaper, basically thinks basically saying that he thinks the uk is failing to prepare for war, and he said that ben wallace, the former defence secretary, tried to initiate an exercise where government departments would go down and use the bunkers that would be prepared for them in the eventuality war. and eventuality of war. and unfortunately, the government didn't go with it it didn't really go with it and it was scaled down and only defence ministers up of ministers ended up kind of trying this exercise of how trying out this exercise of how it work to be working in it might work to be working in a bunker. does say in bunker. what does this say in general how we're treating general about how we're treating the threats against us, from russia, from china and beyond? this nuts, isn't it? this is nuts, isn't it? >> i you think that the >> i mean, you think that the whole point of this exercise is the understood it is that the way i understood it is that if putting the country on if you're putting the country on a war footing that will necessarily involve buy in from every single government department all sorts of department in all sorts of areas, seems like only areas, and it seems like only the specific defence brief seems to understand the urgency of all this. and of course, i just think that, you know, we've got, i think, compound failure of

i think, a compound failure of successive governments failing in their core duty, which is you know, to defend the realm against external threat. if you don't have that, then you have literally nothing else. yes. you know, and i think reaping know, and i think we're reaping what sown, or rather, what we've sown, or rather, we've to . so for, for a we've failed to. so for, for a very long time, was it a mistake, you think, by jeremy mistake, do you think, by jeremy hunt sunak not to have hunt and rishi sunak not to have upped defence spending in the last budget? yes, i think absolutely was. i mean that's the as i say, i think that's the single most important priority. the as i say, i think that's the sing without important priority. the as i say, i think that's the sing without that»rtant priority. the as i say, i think that's the sing without that irtan have rity. and without that you have nothing and think, for nothing else. and i think, for example, way that we've seen example, the way that we've seen in fallout from the russia in the fallout from the russia ukraine war, we found that by failing to take a long term view of things like energy, for example, it created massive economic , impacted economic effects, impacted people in their pockets, inflation spiralled. and i think if you don't take that long time view of that, you will find that in all sorts of other areas, bafic in all sorts of other areas, basic functions break down. and it's certainly upset great it's certainly upset a great deal conservatives, lots of deal of conservatives, lots of conservative privately conservative mps said privately that very disappointed that they were very disappointed

that they were very disappointed that front and that that wasn't front and centre the budget. centre of the budget. >> it's odd, isn't it? and >> yeah, it's odd, isn't it? and we've liz truss coming out we've got liz truss coming out with her imminently. ten with her book imminently. ten years to save the west. we've got the us elections looming . got the us elections looming. obviously you've an election obviously you've got an election in country which polls in this country which the polls are going in are suggesting is only going in one i wonder what you one direction. i wonder what you make of the idea of a trump resurgence and whether , weirdly, resurgence and whether, weirdly, that might settle things down a bit. maybe maybe. >> i mean, the thing about donald trump is that no one knew what he was going to do next. do you remember when he just took out the leaders of the irgc just like that? iran promised that there would retaliation, but there would be retaliation, but but really. and in but there wasn't really. and in a l but there wasn't really. and in a , i think that that a way, i think that that attitude towards foreign affairs can work well if you're can work quite well if you're deaung can work quite well if you're dealing a part of world dealing with a part of the world where i people respond where i think people respond better brute force than than better to brute force than than anything certainly the anything else, and certainly the effect the impact that the effect that the impact that the kind general that joe kind of general aura that joe biden has been exuding is one of weakness. i think that has weakness. i don't think that has helped at all. but equally, i think donald trump well think donald trump might well sell ukraine. yes, and sell

sell out ukraine. yes, and sell down the river. so it's not a it's not a good choice that awaits the british people. sorry. the american people and of the british and the of course the british and the world, you know, what world, because, you know, what america an impact on america does has an impact on all us. america does has an impact on all you're talking about weak >> you're talking about weak leadership it comes to leadership when it comes to biden israel. do biden or israel. what do you make foreign secretary's make of the foreign secretary's leadership on this issue? because we've because obviously, we've had this of banning arms this talk of us banning arms sale israel . david cameron sale to israel. david cameron hasn't really sort of responded fully to that. he's, as boris johnson accused him, actually , johnson accused him, actually, in the week of sort of showing a strange amount of purdah on the issue, not really commenting either way. i feel david cameron has written this op ed in the sunday times today. we have humanitarian laws. israel must abide by them. i mean, he's playing a good game of sort of october the 7th bingo in this piece where he's being all things to all men. is he being strident enough in support of israel, he have point? israel, or does he have a point? at the moment, netanyahu seems to disproportionately. to be acting disproportionately. three british aid workers have been week. three british aid workers have beewell, week. three british aid workers have beewell, course,ak. the >> well, of course, that the overall many had the

overall many people had the impression that although israel does take steps to minimise civilian casualties, that there was a real they were there was a lack of concern in some quarters for collateral damage, for sure. and of course, this week's tragic and catastrophic error involving the deaths of three british nationals, i mean, that has very much played into that, that stereotype. israel has not always made her an easy country for her friends to defend. and i don't buy this idea that you have to be uncritically supportive of everything that goes on in order to be a decent ally. sometimes you actually have to tell your ally areas where you you think that where you know, you think that their actions are working against them. i mean, to be a critical friend at times, right? true. and israel needs friends. it needs the support of the international community. and of course, there so many people course, there are so many people within who have been within israel who have been highly of netanyahu, highly critical of netanyahu, his management this so his management of this war. so it's not israel doesn't it's not as if israel doesn't have critics. have its own internal critics. >> mean, we heard >> no, i mean, we heard criticism morning, didn't criticism this morning, didn't we, the family of of

we, from the family of one of the hostage victims blaming netanyahu, basically. mean, netanyahu, basically. i mean, i think for the original attack on october the 7th, questions are being asked about why bibi didn't see this but also didn't see this coming, but also the handling subsequently really interesting sunday interesting story in the sunday telegraph the british telegraph about the british response to this. only 1 in 4 british muslims believes hamas committed murder and rape. what else has that survey discovered? >> it's shocking. okay, so this this survey was carried out by the polling organisation jl partners for the henry jackson society, the think tank , and society, the think tank, and they found that about half of british muslims said that they sympathise with hamas. and what i found most interesting actually, is that amongst younger generations, younger , younger generations, younger, more educated people are more likely to believe conspiracy theories, to believe that hamas was not guilty of committing murder and rape and all of this stuff. so it doesn't bode well for, i guess, the future of integration. the idea ought to be that the more educated you are, more of well you are, the more sort of well you have done in british society. yes. less would buy into

yes. the less you would buy into these. but the exact opposite is true. it's highly depressing, and we can be brave and i hope that we can be brave enough necessary enough to have the necessary conversation around these findings. mean findings. yeah, because i mean too many people to even talk about these findings because when obviously doesn't want to be suggesting that all muslims are supportive of hamas or indeed the people on the marches are by definition, because they're going the they're going on the pro—palestinian marches supportive of hamas? >> many, many muslims supportive of hamas? >> condemn�*nany, many muslims supportive of hamas? >> condemn hamas1any muslims supportive of hamas? >> condemn hamas and muslims that condemn hamas and everything done. funnily everything they've done. funnily enough, muslims enough, there are many muslims in condemn in gaza itself that condemn hamas everything hamas and everything they've done. difficult done. yes, but what's difficult with that younger with regard to that younger generation is are thinking generation is are we thinking that basically getting that they are basically getting their social media, their ideas from social media, where of the claims made where a lot of the claims made on tiktok beyond are on tiktok and beyond are completely and completely unsubstantiated and actually hamas propaganda? >> yeah, i'm sure that that must be of it. it's tiktok is be a part of it. it's tiktok is extraordinary. i mean, i'm almost a bit too old to be this kind of tiktok generation, but the gen gen z, the generation below me gets an overwhelming proportion of their news directly tiktok. you know, directly from tiktok. you know, people the legacy

people complain about the legacy media what replaces media a lot, but what replaces it might very well be worse. >> and that's why you get a situation on sort of campuses where people are chanting, from the river to sea, palestine the river to the sea, palestine will be free without actually knowing the implications of that for jewish for for jewish students. for instance, look forjewish students. for instance, look at instance, let's have a look at angela now, the on angela rayner. now, the mail on sunday will not give up on this story, which was originally featured ashcroft's featured in lord ashcroft's forthcoming book. they serialised it and got this line about home. and now serialised it and got this line abo mail home. and now serialised it and got this line abo mail on home. and now serialised it and got this line abo mail on sunday)me. and now serialised it and got this line abo mail on sunday is e. and now serialised it and got this line abo mail on sunday is basically»w the mail on sunday is basically saying that that they have got evidence that she has lied and that she was living in the house with the husband because they claim that she took photographs, which she posted on social media saying like delighted to saying things like delighted to be was the husband's be home and it was the husband's home, the home that home, not the home that she's claiming her home. yes, claiming was her main home. yes, yes, this, yes, it's confusing. this, i suppose bigger is, is suppose the bigger issue is, is she becoming liability for she becoming a liability for keir starmer? >> well, you know what? i think that this, this, this that what this, this, this particular debacle really speaks to, a feeling of to, i think is the a feeling of labour feeling they're labour feeling that they're absolutely unassailable , that absolutely unassailable, that they can they could ride out

just about anything now just about anything right now because , you know, there's so because, you know, there's so much contempt for the conservative party at the moment. but i think it's it does not well that i think not bode well that i think actually a lot of people would have some sympathy for this. the tax system is notoriously complicated. i mean, i employ an accountant to help me do my accountant to just help me do my tax return small amount of tax return on a small amount of money i make above my other salary because i just said that rain saying my affairs rain is saying my tax affairs are completely order. are completely in order. >> accountancy advice on >> i had, accountancy advice on this. i've got nothing to hide. i mean, she hasn't reacted to this morning's revelations and maybe she will, but yes, but i think of people would have think a lot of people would have had some sympathy having, you know, hmrc the know, dealt with hmrc and the difficulty if she'd difficulty of that, and if she'd just said, look, just come and said, well, look, i've mistake, here's i've made a mistake, here's what's happened and i've now resolved matter, i think it resolved the matter, i think it would gone but would have gone away. but she's defected too much, defected a bit too much, held this line for a long time, and i think probably it will go away because we'll move on to something will something else. labour will continue out, but it continue to ride it out, but it does tell you something about the attitude they the attitude that they don't have be accountable in the

have to be accountable in the way they have often way that they have often demanded other politicians. demanded of other politicians. oh tory we'd oh yes, this tory scandal, we'd have all over it, have rayner all over it, probably. has probably. and rayner has demanded that. she demanded that jill for jill mortimer, the mp for hartlepool, publish her tax return. and that just an return. and that was just an ordinary backbencher, you know, more the tories are >> although the tories are missing trick here, they've missing a trick here, they've left it the mail on sunday to fight battle. have they fight this battle. have they been their been aggressive enough in their questioning rayner, questioning of angela rayner, again, idea of again, you know, this idea of them being a bit too polite when it comes attacks, maybe them being a bit too polite when it com�*ratherttacks, maybe them being a bit too polite when it com�* rather ttac defenestrate they'd rather not defenestrate angela they'd rather not defenestrate angthey might that if she >> they might think that if she stays she is, that she stays where she is, that she would be more an asset to would be more of an asset to them, i don't know. >> well, she they think that >> well, she they may think that people that she's kind of, people think that she's kind of, you stalwart of the you know, a stalwart of the harder she claims she's harder left. she claims she's more but maybe more moderate. but maybe that maybe a point. maybe maybe that's a good point. maybe she's convenient to she's politically convenient to have this way. have to be this way. >> that would the >> that's that would be the thing. i would say, and thing. i would i would say, and then we're looking tories run ragged. >> do you see we've done >> do you see what we've done there william wragg's name? there with william wragg's name? because got our former because we've got our former colleague harry york the colleague harry york in the sunday how he was sunday times saying how he was a victim of westminster honey victim of this westminster honey trapper. think can trapper. and i think we can both agree there i mean,

agree that there is i mean, that's the worst journalist in westminster actually, that's the worst journalist in westminthere's actually, that's the worst journalist in westminthere's no actually, that's the worst journalist in westminthere's no wayactually, that's the worst journalist in westminthere's no way harryly, because there's no way harry york for strange york is falling for strange messages from strange women. first happily married. first of all, happily married. and a too and second of all, a bit too canny for that kind of behaviour. the sunday mirror behaviour. but the sunday mirror is this sting is claiming that this sex sting sting scam, which is easy for me to say, has been going on for a yeah to say, has been going on for a year. so my question would be madeleine sketchwriter. madeleine and your sketchwriter. so mps close so you see these mps up close and personal the chamber. not so you see these mps up close and personal, the chamber. not so you see these mps up close and personal, note chamber. not so you see these mps up close and personal, not thatamber. not that personal, not that personally to be but personally to be fair, but should on dating should these mps be on dating apps their exposing apps or their exposing themselves? happened themselves? this happened because grindr and got because he was on grindr and got contacted by somebody on there. he's then up these he's then given up these personal numbers. personal telephone numbers. should dating apps should they be on dating apps first and what should first of all, and what should happen to wragg? because happen to william wragg? because we that he's still vice we know that he's still vice chairman of the committee, chairman of the 1922 committee, which backbench which looks after backbench tories. >> t- t— t sure that is tenable >> i'm not sure that is tenable for think it's pretty for them and i think it's pretty extraordinary that jeremy hunt not defended him the other not only defended him the other day, said that he'd made day, but said that he'd made a courageous yeah. courageous apology. yeah. >> that from the >> what was that from the chancellor? i didn't get that offence. was odd. offence. i thought it was odd. >> was that was crazy >> that was that was crazy because he a foolish because he made a foolish mistake. even if you think that

he should stay in job, at he should stay in his job, at least acknowledge he he should stay in his job, at leaswasknowledge he he should stay in his job, at leaswas incredibly he he should stay in his job, at leaswas incredibly stupid he he should stay in his job, at leaswas incredibly stupid and he did was incredibly stupid and potentially you potentially put other mps, you know, giving the phone know, giving out the phone numbers other mps. that's numbers of other mps. that's an idiotic thing to do. >> totally idiotic and risky. >> totally idiotic and risky. >> but they >> really risky. but they haven't been defending. haven't just been defending. they've of saying they've been sort of saying that it applauding him for it was almost applauding him for his is really odd. >> yes, he's been very honourable up to being honourable in owning up to being a fool. and therefore a complete fool. and therefore we must applaud. we must applaud his more ionic behaviour. his more, more ionic behaviour. >> about dating >> your point about the dating apps? i think that apps? i mean, i think that nowadays that's where people nowadays is that's where people meet have are meet people and mps have are entitled a private life and entitled to a private life and it's, you know, don't it's, you know, people don't don't other in don't approach each other in pubs used to. things pubs as they used to. things have but just think have changed. but i just think that if you're an mp, you that the if you're an mp, you would doubly vigilant, would be doubly vigilant, wouldn't would be wouldn't you? you would be thinking carefully, so thinking very carefully, so vulnerable and people vulnerable to scams and people taking photographs that you don't to using, and don't want them to be using, and all the rest of it. there are some rotters out there. >> will continue to >> this one will continue to run. i think madeleine the run. i think madeleine is the conclusion. very much, conclusion. thank you very much, madeline for joining conclusion. thank you very much, madeline forjoining me madeline grant, forjoining me this lovely you. this morning. lovely to see you. well, the former well, coming up next, the former chair the defence select chair of the defence select committee, tobias will committee, tobias ellwood, will be he make

be joining me. what does he make of tory honeypot scandal? of the tory honeypot scandal? and

welcome back to gb news. you're watching the camilla tominey show i'm delighted to be joined now by former chair of the defence select committee and former foreign minister tobias ellwood, the tory mp for bournemouth east. tobias. lovely to see you this morning. thank you joining me, i wonder if you forjoining me, i wonder if you forjoining me, i wonder if you saw james heep's opinion piece in the sunday telegraph this morning where he basically asserts that the uk is failing to prepare for war, and he talks about that exercise that ben wallace wanted to carry out, where government departments work from their bunkers. just obviously acclimatise obviously to acclimatise themselves a worst case themselves to a worst case scenario . i mean, do you agree scenario. i mean, do you agree with premise that we are with this premise that we are failing prepare war? tobias? >> he raises a very important issue, a lot of respect for

james heappey, one of our best armed forces ministers. for a while, we were in the same regiment together. a lot of experience there. so we should listen what he listen carefully to what he says. world is certainly says. our world is certainly getting dangerous, not getting more dangerous, not less. entered dark less. we've entered a very dark chapter indeed. we see the world splintering into two competing spheres of influence russia , spheres of influence russia, china, iran, north korea pursuing a very different interpretation of our world order. and as we see, you've just been discussing the middle east. you've got ukraine as well, africa to the ability for the west to deal with individual conflicts is being tested. indeed, our appetite is as well. we are going to face war of some form. we're not at peace now. there are different forms of warfare taking place apart, and we need to prepare . that is his we need to prepare. that is his message. and it isn't just the mod and the fco and the and whitehall. it's actually the entire nation as well. to get over the fact that we've had three decades of relative peace and we've got some very difficult, years ahead. there is

a 1937 feel to our world now. we need to wake up for that. and that includes greater investment in defence. >> if there's an i mean, i know what you're saying about defence spending because you've argued that before on this that that before on this show that defence spending have defence spending should have gone the budget. so that gone up in the budget. so that was by jeremy hunt. do was an error by jeremy hunt. do you ? you think? >> no, i heard that. and listen carefully you carefully to what, madeline, you were absolutely were talking about. absolutely agree. move to 3. agree. it's got to move to 3. but i know from and james but i know this from and james will probably agree with this. if you throw 3% at the military now, they will spend it in all sorts of curious ways, which won't necessarily be, aligned to what are coming over what the threats are coming over the the army will want the hill. the army will want more tanks, more personnel. the navy will want more ships. and the obviously the raf will want more planes. but, you know, we're being attacked in very different ways. so the first thing do is to stock of thing you do is to take stock of the types threats that we're the types of threats that we're going have deal with, going to have to deal with, which very different from which can be very different from the traditional army, air force or we're or navy. although clearly we're going to defend those

going to have to defend those two. red sea is a great two. the red sea is a great example. i think, again, you touched to how the touched on this as to how the symbiotic relationship between our security is our economy and our security is absolutely ever more critical than it's ever been before. we don't defend international waters, for example, that impacts on our economy. and if it on economy, it it impacts on our economy, it impacts the treasury, and impacts on the treasury, and that on every single that impacts on every single department, not mod. department, not just the mod. that's first need to have that's why we first need to have the defence review before we throw money at the mod, or our security in general. >> okay. i mean, i know you've also argued in the past for more tanks, personnel on the tanks, more personnel on the ground, there that claim ground, isn't there that claim that armed are now that the armed forces are now the they've been since the smallest they've been since the smallest they've been since the napoleonic wars? let's just move on to israel, because obviously mentioned the obviously he mentioned the middle there. tobias. i middle east there. tobias. and i know once east know you were once middle east minister office, minister for the foreign office, david cameron's stance on this stopping or the suggestion that we stop arms sale to israel. it's been a little bit ambivalent, hasn't it? i mean, it's difficult to disagree with bofis it's difficult to disagree with boris johnson when he says that ending such help to israel would be, willing the military

be, quote, willing the military defeat of israel the victory defeat of israel and the victory of hamas. >> i think that's a bit sensationalist . boris >> i think that's a bit sensationalist. boris johnson called it absolutely right on ukraine. but to make this so binary, to say that if we were to somehow freeze arms sales for a specific reason, that that somehow we're siding with the other that is completely other side, that is completely wrong. should wrong. i absolutely should we stop yes stop arms sales to israel, yes or no? >> well , no, it's not as or no? >> well, no, it's not as binary as that. >> if we if israel is seen to breach international law, we have no choice but to honour international law and therefore freeze arms sales. the question is for boris as well. and this is for boris as well. and this is where i'd agree with boris, is where i'd agree with boris, is if you're simply doing it because want alter because you want to alter israel's behaviour, then that is the call of action. the wrong call of action. i absolutely support israel's right prosecute and to go right to prosecute and to go after hamas what they did. after hamas after what they did. but also disagree with but i also disagree with israel's military response, which to be without which seems to be without clarity of what its strategy is. what's the governance structure that it's working towards, what

is going to be the post security environment that it's building? what seeing actually in what we're seeing is actually in information, we're seeing this, conflict the conflict spread beyond the middle east because of what's going what israel is going on, because what israel is doing, is why david cameron doing, that is why david cameron is saying there needs be is saying there needs to be conditions on going on conditions on what's going on when famine starts to break out, when famine starts to break out, when we start to have to lean on the navy and the raf to deliver aid into israel, when into to into gaza, when israel has got the rafah crossing in the south and the arabs crossing, which is only just reopened, that is an absence of responsibility of an occupying force to the civilians that are caught up in this, that is the issue that david cameron is the issue that david cameron is trying to drive home. >> i know, but tobias surely if we stop arms sale to israel and let's be honest, i think we only account for 1% of israel's arms anyway. send anyway. doesn't that send a very, dangerous message to very, very dangerous message to hamas and our enemies? you've just talked about being at just talked about us being at great risk if we pull the plug on arms sales to israel. what message does that send to the

terrorists, rapists and murderers of hamas ? murderers of hamas? >> it's too. you're oversimplifying it, if i may. okay as you say, it would be tokenistic, almost. but ultimately we have to abide by the standards and values of which we go to war with. when those standards of values start to fall , and we then start to to fall, and we then start to lose sight of why we're fighting ourselves now, the only reason why the erez crossing in the north, this enormous crossing now aid can get into gaza is because britons were killed in the last few days because of the, you know, the world, the world, was it the, the world food kitchen, ngo plus others too. but we're seeing 13,000 children have been killed. we've seen , starvation now taking seen, starvation now taking place as well. so can you clarify clarify for me, israel. this is what what we want israel to now recognise that as it pursues hamas, as it tries to kill the very people and go after those who conducted those barbaric activities on the 7th

of october. tobias. sorry to do so. obliging honouring. i need international rules of war. can we have some clarity, though? >> do you think that arms sales to israel should be stopped or not? i'm not clear on where you stand on this issue because it's unked stand on this issue because it's linked 100% to whether international law has been breached or not. >> if it has, if it's been breached, if international law has been breached , we stop arms has been breached, we stop arms sales to israel. that's why we abide by international laws. therefore we have no choice. thatis therefore we have no choice. that is the legal advice that the cho is now considering itself. now, as i say, it's a yes from the united states . yes from the united states. you've got pressure from britain as well to say what israel is doing, its conduct in its prosecution of this war, is without clarity as to where this goes. it's been compounded. it's not taking us into a better direction. we have got, hezbollah getting involved in the north. we've got an embassy in damascus being, being targeted as well. this is

getting over complicated. and at the same time, i'm afraid you're actually inviting a new generation to actually join the ranks of hamas because 22 million people are without the necessary aid. and support that they actually deserve to have, because they're caught up in what's going on here. that's a responsibility i ask you about. >> alan, can i ask you about alan duncan's comments in the week he's called for tom tugendhat, the security minister, to be sacked for his support of israel, and lord eric pickles and lord stuart pollock to be kicked out of the house of lords. for quotes. exercising the interests of another country shouldn't alan duncan kicked shouldn't alan duncan be kicked out conservative party out of the conservative party for disgraceful comments? for these disgraceful comments? >> i think that's probably a question for the whips office. i would say the fact that you're asking me that question, we've just had a very serious, discussion about what we should do next in supporting israel. absolute right to go after hamas. but its responsibility to look after the people of gaza.

the fact that we have britain's politicians then arguing with each other over this clearly is a distraction from what we should be doing in supporting an ally and supporting a region that we have a huge amount of, relationship with tobias for time reasons. >> i need to leave it there. but thank you very much indeed for your contribution. this morning. always great to speak to you. lots to come in the next lots more to come in the next houn lots more to come in the next hour, i'm going to be joined by the prime minister, the deputy prime minister, oliver blair's oliver dowden, and tony blair's former mctiernan.

welcome back to the camilla tominey show lovely to have your company this morning. so much more to come in the next hour , more to come in the next hour, i'm going to be joined by rishi sunak right hand man, the deputy prime dowden, sunak right hand man, the deputy prinjohn dowden, sunak right hand man, the deputy prinjohn mcternan, dowden, sunak right hand man, the deputy prinjohn mcternan, the )wden, sunak right hand man, the deputy prinjohn mcternan, the former and john mcternan, the former political secretary to tony blair. what will men make blair. what will both men make of latest polling? of the latest polling? predicting a tory wipe—out and a labour at the next labour landslide at the next general election? but first,

here's the news with ray addison. >> thanks, camilla. it's 10 am. our top stories this morning. rishi sunak says the government continues to stand by israel's right to defend its security. six months on from the october 7th terror attacks marking the occasion, the prime minister said the uk is shocked by the bloodshed and called for an immediate humanitarian pause in fighting. he also urged hamas to release its hostages , and release its hostages, and implored israel to ensure that aid gets into gaza more swiftly . aid gets into gaza more swiftly. well. meanwhile, the foreign secretary has used the occasion to stress that the uk's support for israel is not unconditional. writing in the sunday times, lord cameron said there is no doubt where the blame lies over the death of three british aid workers, and added that this must never happen again. john chapman, james henderson and james kirby died in airstrikes carried out by the idf on an aid

convoy on april 1st from a chair of the defence select committee, tobias ellwood, told camilla tominey that the uk would be obuged tominey that the uk would be obliged to stop arms sales to israel if it was found that they had broken international law. >> i absolutely support israel's right to prosecute and to go after hamas after what they did. but i also disagree with israel's military response, which seems to be without clarity of what its strategy is, what's the governance structure that it's working towards, what is going to be the post security environment that it's building? what we're seeing is actually in the information, we're seeing this spread the this, conflict spread beyond the middle of what's middle east because of what's going on, because what israel is doing, that is why david cameron is saying there needs to be conditions on what's going on. >> well, the government says it will a royal navy ship to will deploy a royal navy ship to get more aid into gaza. the vessel, which is not being named for security reasons, will deliver vital supplies. it's part of an international effort

to establish a new humanitarian maritime corridor in the eastern mediterranean. the foreign office has announced a £97 million package for aid deliveries. logistical expertise and equipment support. deliveries. logistical expertise and equipment support . well, two and equipment support. well, two former uk defence ministers say the uk has failed to prepare for war in a whole nation. endeavour the outgoing armed forces minister, james heappey, revealed in the telegraph that only ministry of defence officials attended a wartime preparation exercise, which was meant for the whole of government. he's now calling on ministers to do more to prepare for. former defence secretary ben wallace agrees, saying that too many in government are, quote, just hoping everything will go away. police are hunting for a suspect after a woman was stabbed to death in broad daylight in bradford, west yorkshire. police were called to the city centre on saturday afternoon following reports of an attack by a man who then fled the scene. the woman was taken

to hospital where she later died . the force say that she is yet to be formally identified, but is understood to be 27 years old. family have been old. her family have been informed and are being supported by specialist officers . well, by specialist officers. well, scotland remains at risk of power cuts and travel disruption as storm kathleen continues to bnng as storm kathleen continues to bring strong gusts and heavy rain. 43 flood warnings are currently in place and the met office has issued a new yellow wind warning affecting the eastern northern highlands, the isle of skye and the hebrides. yesterday. winds reached 73mph in drumalbyn, south lanarkshire . in drumalbyn, south lanarkshire. the scottish environmental protection agency says there is real danger to life around causeways, coastal roads and paths. meanwhile, meteorologist john kettley told us it's still causing problems. >> yes , storm kathleen, >> yes, storm kathleen, certainly creating a few problems in the north—west of the country in particular, but it's blowing everywhere and it's still blowing pretty strongly this morning as well. sure

this morning as well. i'm sure there are few trampolines there are a few trampolines being over, a few garden being blown over, a few garden fences coming down as well. kathleen is just to the kathleen is only just to the northwest the hebrides. it's northwest of the hebrides. it's just easing slightly, but it's still over 60 miles an still gusting over 60 miles an hourin still gusting over 60 miles an hour in parts of the northwest this morning. >> and finally, 5 million >> and finally, almost 5 million people reported dental people have reported dental problems the nhs111 people have reported dental problems the nhs 111 helpline problems to the nhs111 helpline over the last five years. government data analysed by the labour party revealed that around 965,000 people were referred for treatment in the last 12 months alone. shadow health secretary wes streeting said calls are skyrocketing with people having to turn to private dentists or even carry out their own treatment. health minister dame andrea leadsom says the government's dentistry recovery plan will make services faster. >> are lots of dentists who are burning out , >> are lots of dentists who are burning out, who aren't able to stay in the profession because they're having to see 30, 50 patients a day to diagnose, treat , get them out of patients a day to diagnose, treat, get them out of pain, all this sort of thing on a routine basis. every single day. that

can't be sustainable for anyone . can't be sustainable for anyone. and then we have an issue of the lack of new dentists coming in and the time frame being such a long time frame from getting someone qualified. so it's, it's becoming more of an issue as a dentist doctor . dentist doctor. >> sam jethwa there giving his views. well, for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts back now to . camilla. >> thanks, ray. welcome back to the camilla tominey show still lots more to come in. just a minute. i'm going to be joined by oliver dowden where does the deputy prime minister stand on britain's arms to britain's selling arms to israel? be speaking israel? i'll also be speaking to the political secretary the former political secretary to mcternan. to tony blair, john mcternan. just how involved is blair in starmer's path to power? the feminist author and journalist juue feminist author and journalist julie will be joining us. julie bindel will be joining us. should be arrested should jk rowling be arrested for speaking out against the new scottish hate crime laws, and i'll joined later by the

i'll be joined later by the author, alexander larman, to discuss book on the discuss his new book on the royal family. is the monarchy in crisis? following the king in kate's cancer diagnoses? well, first of all, though, let's go to oliver dowden now, who joins me. you can hear me. me. i hope you can hear me. deputy prime minister, thank you very your time this very much for your time this morning, probably have seen morning, you probably have seen your colleague james heep's opinion the sunday opinion piece in the sunday telegraph this morning. he's warning the is failing warning that the uk is failing to prepare for war. he says that ben wallace, he was defence ben wallace, when he was defence secretary, he tried to carry out a government wide exercise in departments going down and working from their bunkers to see what would happen in a worst case scenario. why didn't the whole of government attend that exercise? end, it was exercise? in the end, it was only to defence ministers . only left to defence ministers. >> well, i don't know the specific incident that james was referring to. it is the case that we carry out wide scale, exercising programmes across government. indeed. i did one recently for a national power outage involving several

thousand different people across government, and i'll shortly be publishing the next what we call national exercising programme for precisely these kind of exercises , preparing across exercises, preparing across a range of risks. so it is the case that the government does undertake these exercises. indeed, i, i undertook one in respect of a potential terrorist incident. just a few weeks ago, which ministers attended as well. but i'm afraid i don't know the exact details of the incident to which, ben wallace and others are referring, but it's very worrying, isn't it, for the former veterans minister, somebody who's worked in ministry defence to be in the ministry of defence to be saying britain is under saying that britain is under defended . well, don't accept defended. well, i don't accept that characterisation . it is that characterisation. it is certainly the case. >> so james heappey is wrong. he worked in that department over the past, over the past, over the past, over the past, over the past, over the past, over the past few months and years, we have seen the risk landscape, affecting the united kingdom increasing considerably. >> it's certainly the worst since it's been since the second world war. so since the cold war, possibly since the second

world war, this is taking across a range of different issues, whether it's cyber, whether it's economic security, or whether it's conventional security. as we see in russia , ukraine, there we see in russia, ukraine, there are greater challenges, but we are greater challenges, but we are increasing our resources to address that. for example, we set up the national cyber security centre to address cyber threats. i now chairthe threats. i now chair the national security council on economic security, and i take literally dozens of decisions every day on economic security to defend investments into this country from threats from hostile states and from others . hostile states and from others. and we have been at the forefront of supporting our efforts in russia, ukraine, supporting ukraine. >> james heappey of course, there's more we need to do against this backdrop. >> this is this is a former defence minister who served himself in war zones. >> he's a former soldier, hugely respected former veterans minister saying this. are you saying that james heappey is wrong ? wrong? >> i don't accept the full extent of his characterisation.

i thought i looked so he's almost a little bit right and a little bit wrong. camilla you're camilla, you you keep talking across me trying to turn this into a simplistic binary black and white. this is not simplistic . and white. this is not simplistic. binary and white. this is not simplistic . binary black and simplistic. binary black and white. we see a range of at least four hostile states working across a range of different mediums in often in grey zone conflicts . now, of grey zone conflicts. now, of course, there is more work that we need to do across different areas, but we have stepped up considerably our effort, i believe that we are prepared, but there is more that we need to do because this threat landscape is increasing all of the okay may i pose a the time. okay may i pose a very, very straightforward question which david cameron so far doesn't seem to have answered as foreign secretary . answered as foreign secretary. >> but maybe you can as deputy prime minister, should we stop arms sales to israel ? arms sales to israel? >> no, of course we have to periodically review it. we're required by law to do that, as we do with all our allies, including the united states. but

the business secretary makes decisions on that based on advice she receives from the foreign secretary. and that advice has not changed. >> okay, another hopefully straightforward question. is there a sense to which you think israel , there a sense to which you think israel, under netanyahu, has gone too far in its retaliation against the october the 7th attacks? >> well , it's really attacks? >> well, it's really important that reflect this is six months since those attacks. and i think it's very easy for us to think that that's ancient history. right now in israel. they're a nafion right now in israel. they're a nation in trauma. it's affecting the jewish community in this country and indeed the wider world. we should never forget the fact that hamas conducted that appalling atrocity and have said they would do the same thing over again. it is fully legitimate for israel to fight hamas and stop that threat against an enemy that hides itself amongst the population. it's a difficult war to prosecute. now of course, israel isn't perfect. no nation is

perfect. and we were very, angered the death of those angered by the death of those aid workers. we think more aid should be getting into israel, but the way we address that is by engaging with israel. and there have been welcome steps in respect of both of those issues . respect of both of those issues. >> interestingly, tobias ellwood was earlier with me. i don't was on earlier with me. i don't know if you heard that interview because i think you were doing others. mr dowden, but he was saying that if it found that saying that if it was found that israel was in breach of humanitarian and international law , we stop arms law, that we should stop arms sales israel, do you agree sales to israel, do you agree with that ? with that? >> well, we have a process that we're obliged to go through . we're obliged to go through. it's set out in legislation in respect of arms sales . we have respect of arms sales. we have some of the toughest arms sales controls in the world, and whether we're exporting to the us , to france, to any us, to france, to any conventional allies, we do exactly the same thing. it's right that we keep that under review and we're required to do so. but as, as i set out to you, the foreign secretary hasn't changed his advice. and

therefore there's no reason for those arms exports to not continue. >> do you think that sir alan duncan should be removed from the conservative party, expelled from the party for suggesting that tom tugendhat, the security minister, should be sacked for his support of israel and that eric pickles and stuart pollock should be kicked out of the house of lords. >> well, i believe he also made reference to me and to michael gove about our support for israel as well, i'm afraid. look, i've known alan for many years . these these comments years. these these comments don't surprise me. i think he's totally wrong. and i think actually what he said about stuart pollock and or lord pollock and law lord pickles was offensive. i believe that cchq are investigating it, and i think that's the right thing to do . do. >> why do you say that? these comments by alan duncan don't surprise you? >> well, because he's made similar comments for, over many, many years. he's been why is he

still in the party then? vigorous in his criticism of israel? well, look, the conservative party has always been a, a very broad church. but as you know, there's this investigation going on in relation to alan duncan. and let's see what the outcome of that is. >> on that note, with regard to some of your conservative colleagues, is it right that william wragg continues vice william wragg continues as vice chairman of the 1922, having given his own colleague's personal telephone numbers to what appears to be some kind of honey trap scam artist ? honey trap scam artist? >> well, the actions of william wragg or will wragg were were foolish and they were wrong. and he's he's apologised shouldn't he's he's apologised shouldn't he step down. he's been brought out into the into the, the pubuc out into the into the, the public domain. and no i don't think he should step down. i think he should step down. i think he should step down. i think he made a he's betrayed backbenchers hasn't he. >> he's betrayed backbenchers. and yet he claims to represent them as vice chairman of the 1922 committee. doesn't make any

sense to keep him in that role, doesit sense to keep him in that role, does it ? does it? >> well, as you and many of your viewers will will know the purpose of the 1922 committee is the 1922 committee is a committee of backbenchers, part of whose job really is to hold ministers to account. so i don't think there's going to be helpful for a minister to start telling the 22 committee how it should his its internal should conduct his its internal affairs. i've the fact affairs. i've noted the fact that has accepted what he that will has accepted what he said was was foolish. and he's he's apologised for it. >> it foolish in general for >> is it foolish in general for mps be on dating apps? mr mps to be on dating apps? mr dowden ? dowden? >> well, it's actually quite an interesting question. kamala harris. i'm happily married so it isn't an issue that arises for me, but mps are also entitled to have a private life and to conduct their private life. you shouldn't be able. you shouldn't be forced to give up your private life in its entirety. i do think, though, it's incumbent on anyone who holds public office, whether nationally locally , to hold nationally or locally, to hold themselves to a very high

standard think the way standard and think about the way in they conduct themselves in which they conduct themselves on those those sites and on those those kind of sites and will wragg clearly fell short of that in in his conduct recently. >> now according to tim shipman in the sunday times, insiders say rishi sunak is miserable facing the prospect of electoral defeat, and there's already talk of what he does next, possibly in silicon valley. so is the prime minister miserable ? you're prime minister miserable? you're his right hand man, mr dowden. what's his mood like at the moment? with projections of a landslide, labour victory ? landslide, labour victory? >> well, first of all, he's not miserable. he's full of energy and vigour. i have not a single conversation with him around the lines of what tim tim shipman has, has , has, has described, of has, has, has, has described, of course, the, the, the polls are difficult. my focus and his focus is on these elections coming up. i'm broadcasting here from the centre of london. if your viewers are fed up with sadiq khan's war on motorists,

the ulez zone, the 20 mile an houn the ulez zone, the 20 mile an hour, zones cropping up everywhere , the fact that you everywhere, the fact that you used to be able to drive up 40 miles an hour down park lane with three lanes. now it's down to one a bus lane. it's 20 miles. >> this isn't a party political broadcast, mr dowden, candidates. well, you raise political i think that's political issues. i think that's the political context. political issues. i think that's the well, cal context. political issues. i think that's the well, speaking(t. political issues. i think that's the well, speaking about the may >> well, speaking about the may elections in birmingham, where they're spending £18 million on trade reps when they're trade union reps when they're going . but although the going bankrupt. but although the middle east, the midlands mayor, andy street, looks like he might be in jeopardy, as might be ben houchen. so these may elections, if they don't go very well for the conservatives, as predicted, rishi sunak is going to be facing more letters of no confidence. isn't he ? confidence. isn't he? >> well, i have no idea what is going to happen in the elections because that's up to the people of who voted for them. i'm confident that we've got strong candidates and that they will succeed and win . you mentioned succeed and win. you mentioned andy street, a brilliant candidate that's got so much

investment into to birmingham and the broader. >> so these elections won't be the bloodbath that's been predicted. >> then ben houchen in teesside seen seen what he has done to transform that area that is conservative candidates in action. i'd urge all of your viewers to vote for those conservatives. all right. >> candidates, we're getting into party political broadcast territory , not to be a commentator. >> all right. well, oliver dowden , thank you very much dowden, thank you very much indeed for your time this morning. yeah. no, thank you . morning. yeah. no, thank you. but thank you for your good humour as nice to see you humour as ever. nice to see you in. i'm going to in. just a minute, i'm going to be joined by former political secretary john secretary to tony blair, john mcternan. what he makes mcternan. find out what he makes of dowden's comments. mcternan. find out what he makes of willowden's comments. mcternan. find out what he makes of will may�*n's comments. mcternan. find out what he makes of will may the comments. mcternan. find out what he makes of will may the 2nd nents. mcternan. find out what he makes of will may the 2nd notts. mcternan. find out what he makes of will may the 2nd not be a there will may the 2nd not be a bloodbath, let's wait and bloodbath, but let's wait and see. also how involved is tony blair starmer's

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tominey show. i'm delighted to be joined now by john mcternan, tony blair's former political secretary. john, thank you for joining me this morning. secretary. john, thank you for joining me this morning . with joining me this morning. with storm kathleen raging across half of the country, i'm wondering if there's a storm brewing in the labour party, john, because we've got yet another report on the front page of the mail on sunday this morning about angela rayner's second the political second home. the political editor there, glenn owen, claims to evidence that she to have got evidence that she did have this second home and that in fact, living that she was, in fact, living with her husband she says with her husband when she says that she wasn't. so this storm continues , doesn't it, to engulf continues, doesn't it, to engulf the minister or the the deputy prime minister or the wannabe deputy minister, i wannabe deputy prime minister, i should you think that should say. do you think that actually rayner is actually angela rayner is becoming a bit too much of a hindrance rather than a help to keir starmer? >> and the thing is, >> no. and the thing is, absolutely not. she's an absolutely not. she's an absolute asset to keir. she's part of the reason why labour are leading in the polls at the moment. she's got a charisma, she's got the common touch. she is a great campaigner and the story is a concocted confection

andifs story is a concocted confection and it's aimed at trying to destabilise one of labour's greatest campaigners. it's laughable , hang on. and the laughable, hang on. and the obsession, the obsession of one newspaper with this story is laughable because nobody can actually sum up in a sentence what what the scandal is actually meant to be. >> well, all sum it up in a sentence. as far as i can understand it, john is that she claims to have been living in a home that she wasn't living in, and therefore she may have a capital gains tax implication from selling what was a second home and not primary home. so home and not a primary home. so the allegation is that she's lied and she's claimed that her second was her primary second home was her primary home. the allegation . home. that's the allegation. it's really clear. you say no other newspapers have covered the story. everyone has followed up on sunday. she's up on the mail on sunday. she's got questions answer. if it got questions to answer. if it were the conservatives, you'd be you'd attacking them you'd be attacking them for it. >> it completely answer them . >> is it completely answer them. and the problem you've got home. you've got no explanation on is

you showed why it's not a story. because the tax definition of a primary residence is a technical issue , and that is all that issue, and that is all that matters, people can't distinguish between the and the mail on sunday is refusing distinguish between what the tax law says , about primary law says, about primary residence. that's it. and the reason, isn't there a moral question for her to answer if she's saying that her her primary residence was in fact her secondary residence and that she was actually living with her husband, why is she she not coming clean about that? >> john, we know the tax situation is simple. >> your primary residence is the residence that you designate as your primary residence . that's your primary residence. that's in the tax law. it's clear that was her accountant's advice to her, and the argument that the mail on sunday have is presumably with hmrc and they're, they're, they're the

way they allow you to define, a house, a home, a building, that you own as your primary residence. it's nothing to do with where you live . it's with where you live. it's actually a designation. and that that's a simple, straightforward matter. the tax matter tax is complicated . nobody thinks that complicated. nobody thinks that angela has done anything wrong. and the you've drifted off and the way you've drifted off into saying, oh, it's a moral issue. it's not a moral issue . issue. it's not a moral issue. it's a it's a case of one right wing newspaper trying to harass labour's campaigner. labour's greatest campaigner. >> okay. labour's greatest campaigner. so you think that she should remain ? should keir she should remain? should keir starmer become prime minister? she should remain as deputy. >> all right you're not >> all right okay. you're not just deputy prime minister. she should be in charge of, whatever we're going to call the department of tackling regional inequality, you know, in charge of housing and in charge of local government, in charge of planning reform, in charge of getting economy going again, planning reform, in charge of gecharge, economy going again, planning reform, in charge of gecharge, basically,' going again, planning reform, in charge of gecharge, basically, of)ing again, in charge, basically, of rebuilding britain. i think i can think of better person to

can think of no better person to do that than angela. >> i was really interested in a piece for piece you've written for the spectator, about spectator, talking about how difficult might for difficult it might be for starmer a massive starmer to manage a massive majority. you're saying managing 450 mp5 majority. you're saying managing 450 mps is a tall order for any party leader, and you've also pointed out that there is still a sort of hard left cabal within the labour party. you talk about there being 35 members of the socialist campaign group. so so first of all, do you think it is going to be difficult for him to manage a large majority, i think a large majority gives you two things. it gives you a mandate and the ability to push through any legislation you want . and any legislation you want. and the truth is, the government have taken such powers themselves under the, the repatriation of european union law, the ministers don't to law, the ministers don't need to even the house of commons even go to the house of commons to most law, and i expect to change most law, and i expect that happen under a labour that to happen under a labour government. but with 450, you can what you want. can get through what you want. the managing them. and the issue is managing them. and the want to make is they the point i want to make is they

will different interests. will have different interests. this be a markedly younger this will be a markedly younger labour time. labour party than at any time. the time they had big the last time they had a big landslide, a big change in 1945. a lot of members who came in a lot of the members who came in had been army. i mean, had been in the army. i mean, denis healey, people have been experienced in army. we're experienced in the army. we're going have young people, going to have young people, young , a of whom be young people, a lot of whom be renters, young people who renters, are young people who a lot the mps. i expect lot of the future mps. i expect over 100 mps to londoners in over 100 mps to be londoners in a having been london a sense, having been london politicians living in london, living in the south east, that will change the dynamics. the other is angela other big block is angela rayner's the north west , rayner's bloc. the north west, so she'll be strengthened by the by by this 75 mps in the north—west, around 100, i reckon. london the south—east. these are the big blocks that labouris these are the big blocks that labour is going to have now. you have to respond to their interests. you also need to give them because them something to do, because there's 160 jobs the there's only 150, 160 jobs the government ever gives out as ministers , as pcs, as whips. so ministers, as pcs, as whips. so giving people something to do is going to be really important. >> but also, isn't the parliamentary party inherently going to be more left wing than ,

going to be more left wing than, say, blair's administration and his parliamentary peter his parliamentary party? peter hitchens has written today, starmers labour is not moderate or safe. i mean, you have to admit that starmer is more left wing than tony blair ever was, right? >> yeah , absolutely. i embrace >> yeah, absolutely. i embrace that fact, keir starmer is not a blairite. keir starmer is from the soft left of the labour party. keir starmer is closer in his personal politics to ed miliband than he is to gordon brown. and i think that's, you know , that's to be welcomed know, that's to be welcomed because our, our, our, our, our modern era, the 21st century. keir starmer is going to be prime minister in the second quarter of the 21st century, not in the 20th century. big demands, big different demands. i think we do require a lefter, a more red, more greener , you a more red, more greener, you know, red green government rather than a blairite government. that's what we need . government. that's what we need. >> much influence do you >> and how much influence do you think actually having think blair is actually having behind because we think blair is actually having behin some because we think blair is actually having behin some of because we think blair is actually having behin some of the because we think blair is actually having behin some of the policies.e we think blair is actually having behin some of the policies that know some of the policies that the institute up with. the institute comes up with. tony blair's institute then ended up kind of filtering into

labour policy . vie we know, labour policy. vie we know, obviously, that lord mandelson is quite close to starmer. how how is blair to starmer? john >> well, very close, anybody who saw last summer at saw them on stage last summer at tony's, the institute's, annual conference. you saw chemistry, you saw that this wasn't the first time they'd been speaking to each other. they speak to each other a lot, as far as i can gather, in the way they react to each other and look, peter, peter, is always going to be an influential, political figure labour party figure in the labour party because he's a great political strategist. so tony. and strategist. so is tony. and you'd to be a crazy labour you'd have to be a crazy labour party leader in the modern day to ignore the advice of the soul, the wisdom of peter and tony, but he's his own man. he's changed the labour party himself. it wasn't anything to do with any blairites the way that keir took the labour party back from the hard left, the way that he's taken us from our worst election defeat since the 30s to being on the verge of a landslide bigger than tony's landslide. look, there's landslide. so, look, there's a lot of people ask, where do

these ideas come from? mainly from him. but does he take good ideasif from him. but does he take good ideas if tony blair comes up with them? of course he does. he takes good ideas, if anthony albanese comes up albanese in australia comes up with them, if joe biden comes with them, or if joe biden comes up with them america, if up with them in america, if there good ideas in there are good ideas in politics, you should take them rather because rather than ignore them because of from. of who they come from. >> mean, that's good. while >> i mean, that's good. while biden still president, he biden is still us president, he might to get on with might struggle to get on with donald trump. might need donald trump. they might need john very briefly. >> yeah. going to >> yeah. biden's going to biden's going to be the president, is going to president, trump is going to lose issue. lose on the abortion issue. abortion other abortion will trump every other issue election . issue in this election. >> okay. john mcternan, thank you indeed for joining you very much indeed for joining me morning . coming next, me this morning. coming up next, i'm joined by the i'm going to be joined by the feminist julie bindel to find out damaging scotland's out just how damaging scotland's new law is for free new hate crime law is for free speech, particularly those speech, particularly for those who are men and who believe men are men and women are women. now, earlier i mentioned the west midlands mayoral contest and here are the candidates for that election. i just have to name them all in accordance with ofcom rules. siobhan harper nunes, who's the greens? richard parker is for

labour and the co—operative party. andy street is the conservative candidate. sunny virk is liberal democrat and virk is the liberal democrat and elaine ruth williams is for reform. there's also a list reform. and there's also a list of candidates are available of candidates that are available for the tees valley mayoral election. hawkins fighting election. ben hawkins fighting it the conservatives. chris it for the conservatives. chris mcewan labour, simon thorley mcewan for labour, simon thorley for the liberal democrats. so there you have it. i'll be back next with julie bindel. don't go

morning and welcome back to the camilla tominey show. i'm joined now by feminist author and journalist julie bindel. julie, you were going to be in the studio with me. but i understand you've been caught up in storm kathleen, so i hope you're safe, dry and well . i kathleen, so i hope you're safe, dry and well. i am camilla. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> good. good stuff . let's speak >> good. good stuff. let's speak about this astonishing report in the telegraph in the week, which revealed an analysis of more than 600 schools, basically

showing that teachers there were affirming children's chosen gender behind their parents back. now, this is obviously in contravention of this draft guidance that's been produced by the government , which guidance that's been produced by the government, which basically states that parents a right states that parents have a right to know if their children are trying to change gender in schools . does this suggest that schools. does this suggest that this guidance just isn't worth the paper it's written on? julie. >> well, it's quite incredible the that some excuse me, the way that some excuse me, some trans activists those some trans activists and those deeply, embedded within this absolutely crazy ideology will flout laws, will flout guidance and rules as we saw with the maya forstater case, with the joe professor joao phoenix case, joe professorjoao phoenix case, with other cases where there's been clear discrimination against women and men who have defied against women and men who have defied this ideology and dared to speak out about it, knowing, probably knowing or at least being legally advised that if they go ahead and hound these

women out of their jobs, they will be in a tribunal and they will be in a tribunal and they will likely lose. and i think it's the same with some teachers , that have decided that , that they have decided that they the right of they are on the right side of history , that they are the ones history, that they are the ones that are being kind, being responsible with these children. they honestly believe the flat earth theory that children have a gender identity and therefore they their arrogance just supersedes any kind of guidance or rules within the school. and it has to stop . it has to stop. >> yes. i mean, this study was about schools down in devon and cornwall because those areas of the uk, i think, have the highest levels of sort of children claiming that they're a different gender. however, anecdotally , i mean, i've heard anecdotally, i mean, i've heard evidence. i remember speaking on a panel with representatives from sex matters and the bayswater group and others saying that there are great many parents across the uk who are being kept in the dark about what their children are saying and how they're identifying in school. there's an example in

the telegraph a woman from the telegraph of a woman from the telegraph of a woman from the west country who found the west country who only found out daughter had been out that her daughter had been allowed change gender allowed to change gender at school the teachers called school when the teachers called her, he, at a parents evening . her, he, at a parents evening. are you hearing these sorts of stories, julie? >> all the time. and in fact, something that really struck me was finding out that the highest number of referrals to the gids gender clinic, the tavistock. thankfully now closed, was from blackpool. now blackpool is one of the most socially deprived , of the most socially deprived, towns in the country. we're talking about the highest numbers of children in care who self—harm, who abuse drugs and who have psychological and mental ill health, attempt suicide , you name it. sexual suicide, you name it. sexual abuse is off the scale towards children in that town, and yet swathes of girls and young women are presenting as trans men, trans boys now , why do we think trans boys now, why do we think thatis? trans boys now, why do we think that is? i think it might be

that is? i think it might be that they want to escape the hell that they are in, and that social workers are doing a one stop shop. easy. well yes, of course, you must be transgender. that must be why you're self—harming. that must be why you've you're estranged from your parents. that must be why your parents. that must be why you hate your body . so that's you hate your body. so that's going on on the one hand. on the other hand, i do hear stories from parents constantly that social transition in schools is commonplace . as soon as the commonplace. as soon as the child demands that they should be affirmed by their new pronouns, and everyone has to buy into this fantasy that they're the opposite sex. now you may think viewers might think , well, what's the harm? think, well, what's the harm? it's not like they're being put on puberty blockers. it's not like they're having surgery. but it is deeply harmful because this child adopts a fiction and is affirmed within that fiction, and it puts them in conflict with their parents and of course, this leads them onto a

path of believing that they are the opposite sex. so it's deeply harmful. and it's also deeply wrong and disrespectful to the to parents, continue doing this when they've been told that they shouldn't. having said that, julie, you know there are children out there and you'll be familiar with them who say that they are suffering terribly from a of a mental health perspective of feeling trapped feeling that they're trapped in the body, that they need the wrong body, that they need to listened to, that they to be listened to, that they don't to live their lives don't want to live their lives as their own gender, that they would to change gender. would prefer to change gender. >> i can take argument >> i can take your argument about blockers, and about puberty blockers, and i think, know, there are some think, you know, there are some who that child under 18 who argue that no child under 18 should you know, should even, you know, contemplate the idea of taking puberty blockers having puberty blockers or having surgery. the same time, surgery. but at the same time, what you do for those what do you do for those children feel that children who do feel that they've been into the wrong body? >> counselling and support. obviously it's mental illness obviously it's a mental illness to that you are trapped to believe that you are trapped in the wrong body is not mentally healthy. we know that. we know that those people that have been diagnosed with body dysmorphia, that say that they

want to lose a limb, and if surgeons don't remove that limb , surgeons don't remove that limb, they'll lay across a railway line or they'll amputate themselves. and we saw that. how back in 2003, four in scotland, there were 3 or 4 cases where psychiatrists did refer these people on to surgeons and they did have healthy limbs removed , did have healthy limbs removed, and rightly so. there was an absolute public outcry and that practice was stopped. so what we do with children that say that they are deeply unhappy, hate their bodies, trapped in the their bodies, are trapped in the wrong we treat it as wrong body, is we treat it as a mental disorder , as mental ill mental disorder, as mental ill health, just as we do when somebody is suffering from very, very severe anorexia to the point of where they put their lives and their health in chronic danger. so we do not affirm it. we work with that young person to find out exactly why they feel that they are in the wrong body, and why they hate their body so much. and then we deal with that problem. juue then we deal with that problem. julie you mentioned scotland there. >> how dangerous do you think is

this new hate crime law for freedom of speech, but particularly the freedom of speech of those who, like jk rowling , are gender critical? rowling, are gender critical? it's absolutely bonkers. >> you know, hate, hate crime is deeply problematic. anyway. we do have laws that deal with, for example, incitement to racial hatred , public order offences, hatred, public order offences, threatening behaviour , threatening behaviour, harassment, common assault . we harassment, common assault. we should be able to deal with any incidents of that nature with legislation that already exists , legislation that already exists, developing something that tackles so—called hate, which isn't even a crime, is problematic on various levels. first of all, police can decide that you have committed this hate non—crime incident and the next thing you know, your potential employer , finds out potential employer, finds out about it because of course it would be on your dbs check. it would be on your dbs check. it would come up if you have been reported , sort of like having

reported, sort of like having a caution. so it's a it's a deep and serious infringement on our human rights. and on our right to a private life. secondly the reasonable person test. so if a reasonable person test. so if a reasonable person test. so if a reasonable person thinks that, for example, jk rowling, myself , for example, jk rowling, myself, whoever who says but that isn't a woman, that is a man , well, a woman, that is a man, well, where is the reason in scotland deciding this issue? when nicola sturgeon wanted a law that would have a male bodied rapist in a women's prison who wanted to pass a law of self—identification, so any man at any time, for any reason, could simply self—identify by into the status of woman and be afforded legal rights and access to our single—sex spaces that we only set up because enough of them are minority of men pose a threat to women and girls? not all men like not all trans people, but trans women are men. so if we want to keep women and girls safe, then we must have women only spaces. but the other thing about the scottish law is

that how can a reasonable person test be applied to this? when women are being told the most unreasonable and crazy thing imaginable that we have to pretend that a man is a woman? and if that man decides he's a woman and is chosen to represent the country in an olympic sport and pushes aside the hopes, the lifetime of training of an actual woman to do so , is that actual woman to do so, is that reasonable? is it reasonable that we have to believe that isla bryson the double rapist? isla bryson the double rapist? is a woman? so it's none of this is reasonable. and i know that that rowling and others, including myself, have chosen to use preferred pronouns in certain circumstances about and towards trans people. depending on, as i say, the context , but on, as i say, the context, but that her tweets were not hateful . she she knew fine well, what she was doing was pointing out

the outrageous misogynistic behaviour of those people that she listed who were men. and it needs to be said, okay, julie bindel, thank you very much indeed. >> i mean, i'd like to speak more with you. perhaps you'll come back into the studio because i think the issue of athletes olympics, as we athletes at the olympics, as we fast the games in fast prepare for the games in paris , be very paris, will be a very interesting topic of discussion. so you very much indeed so thank you very much indeed for time this morning. for your time this morning. juue for your time this morning. julie well, julie bindel, thanks. well, coming going to be coming up next, i'm going to be talking my fellow news talking to my fellow gb news host, michael portillo, about what's at what's coming up on his show at 11 the author alexander 11 and also the author alexander lama, his new book on the

welcome back to the camilla tominey show on gb news. i'm joined now by alexander larman, the author of a new book, power and glory, the latest release in his trilogy series about the

royal family. alexander, lovely to see you this morning. we've got it flashed up there. wonderful, book cover wonderful, lovely book cover featuring the queen with her father there, george. wonderful. let's talk about whether the monarchy is in crisis, because i know the book covers the abdication crisis. and i suppose the of princess the aftermath of princess diana's death and all of the trials and tribulations the trials and tribulations that the royals in living royals have faced in living memory. monarchy today , memory. but the monarchy today, the king diagnosed with cancer. the princess of wales, diagnosed with . is it a crisis? with cancer. is it a crisis? >> well, it's not a crisis in terms of the abdication crisis, which is obviously a constitutional crisis, it's constitutional crisis, but it's a personal and family crisis which is extending out into how the monarchy being perceived. the monarchy is being perceived. because themes in my because one of the themes in my book that george vi had book is that george vi had cancen book is that george vi had cancer, and it was concealed from and concealed from from him and concealed from everybody just stop you that. >> let me just stop you on that. concealed from yes. what concealed from him? yes. what was told? was he told? >> well, he was told that he had this illness, which was advanced bronchitis. though bronchitis. and even though he had have removed. had to have his lung removed. yes, he still being yes, he was still being told there nothing the there was nothing seriously the matter him. matter with him. >> and was it true to say that

he was operated on within buckingham palace because they obviously to obviously didn't want news to get he was seriously get out that he was seriously ill? there was a makeshift >> yes, there was a makeshift operating theatre constructed, >> yes, there was a makeshift operhe's] theatre constructed, >> yes, there was a makeshift operhe's veryatre constructed, >> yes, there was a makeshift operhe's very stoic onstructed, >> yes, there was a makeshift operhe's very stoic about:ted, and he's very stoic about it. i mean, he said he didn't mind going surgeon's going under the surgeon's knife and like but it's a and things like that. but it's a remarkable idea, isn't it, that the king could lied to by the the king could be lied to by the surgeons around because they surgeons around him because they were this news would surgeons around him because they were out? this news would surgeons around him because they were out? and this news would surgeons around him because they were out? and you news would surgeons around him because they were out? and you have would surgeons around him because they were out? and you have to>uld surgeons around him because they were out? and you have to look come out? and you have to look at reputations and the way in which having with cancer which having a king with cancer would seen somehow shameful. >> interesting that now, >> so it's interesting that now, all decades on, we've all these decades on, that we've had honesty buckingham had such honesty from buckingham palace, , initially before palace, i mean, initially before the cancer was diagnosed, we obviously that word. those obviously had that word. those words enlarged prostate in a buckingham palace missive, which i don't think we'd have seen before. is it a good thing that the palace are being more transparent about these health conditions, or is it actually destabilising? i think the palace has be more honest, palace has to be more honest, because, i mean, can look because, i mean, you can look what happened kate where what happened with kate where when whole truth wasn't when the whole truth wasn't being revealed. >> the speculation >> i mean, the speculation got so people coming so wild. people were coming forward outrageous forward with the most outrageous ideas, these were being ideas, and these were being taken in mainstream

taken seriously in mainstream circles . and i think one thing circles. and i think one thing is, is that we are obsessed by the health the royal family the health of the royal family because as the first family in this country, we looked for them to an example. and the fact to set an example. and the fact that moment, the that at the moment, two of the senior members cancer is senior members have cancer is absolutely and we absolutely unprecedented, and we certainly haven't seen a situation this in history, situation like this in history, although interesting, isn't situation like this in history, alt how h interesting, isn't situation like this in history, alt how the interesting, isn't situation like this in history, alt how the palaceesting, isn't situation like this in history, alt how the palace responds't situation like this in history, alt how the palace responds to it, how the palace responds to social trolling. social media trolling. >> appreciate that. >> i mean, i appreciate that. obviously the young princess elizabeth princess elizabeth and indeed princess margaret and george vi and the queen when were queen mother, when they were bringing up those daughters, they weren't to live in they weren't having to live in this of sort of 24 hour news this age of sort of 24 hour news and people publishing whatever they impunity the they liked with impunity on the internet. to ask internet. you then have to ask yourself extent to the yourself the extent to which the palace responds because palace responds to that, because there that might have there were some that might have said the princess wales said that the princess of wales even the idea of even entertaining the idea of posing mothering sunday posing up for mothering sunday and releasing image was just and releasing an image was just to answer critics that are neven to answer critics that are never, ever going to be satisfied. let's be honest, there's always be, there's always going to be, trolls on media for whom trolls on social media for whom there no response. that is there is no response. that is there is no response. that is the right response. >> they carried on to >> and they have carried on to this but i think one thing

this day. but i think one thing that's interesting is that's very interesting is if you at the difference you look at the difference between responses, between the responses, buckingham palace came forward very fairly very quickly and gave a fairly candid happening candid idea of what's happening with what his with charles and what his illness kensington palace illness is. kensington palace didn't, i think that's didn't, and i think that's because william much because prince william is much more vein of never more into the vein of never complain, never explain, which more into the vein of never com hisin, never explain, which more into the vein of never com his grandmother's n, which more into the vein of never com his grandmother's motto, h more into the vein of never comhis grandmother's motto, his was his grandmother's motto, his great grandfather's motto , and great grandfather's motto, and has served the royal has always served the royal family but doesn't hold family well. but it doesn't hold up. because you've got up. in 2024 because you've got to the idea of information to allow the idea of information is going to get out into the public. whether you like it or not. >> yes, well, sometimes the royals ownership of their royals take ownership of their own information, don't they? i mean, back to the mean, we think back to the megxit bombshell, and megxit bombshell, harry and meghan on meghan announcing that on their own website, damaging do you own website, how damaging do you think megxit has for the think megxit has been for the royal family? think megxit has been for the royil family? think megxit has been for the royi don't ly? think megxit has been for the royi don't think it's been >> i don't think it's been politically damaging all, politically damaging at all, actually, think that actually, because i think that harry there harry and meghan initially there is the is all the controversy and the difficulty, since harry difficulty, but ever since harry published memoir, spare, published his memoir, spare, which ridiculous book, which was a ridiculous book, there's whatsoever that there's no sense whatsoever that they a serious couple. they are a serious couple. i mean, i was looking at the american orchard american riviera orchard revelation the other day, and i thought, meghan's new thought, that's meghan's new lifestyle i thought lifestyle brand. and i thought wallis was

wallis simpson, who was obviously meghan's spiritual wallis simpson, who was obviouslywould an's spiritual wallis simpson, who was obviouslywould have;piritual wallis simpson, who was obviouslywould have done al forebear, would have done her own lifestyle brand, but with quite a crasser title now. >> i don't think so. do you think harry and meghan are a sort of latter day edward and wallis? >> i think they're definitely are, yes. and you can see the haplessness for edward had in harry. also see the harry. you can also see the steely determination to make money so i think money in meghan's. so i think they're to each they're very lucky to find each other they've two other because they've made two people rather than for people miserable rather than for much same can be much of the same thing can be said the duke and duchess said about the duke and duchess of windsor. >> i mean, i know that your book is looking back at living memory of royals. what you of the royals. what would you say been let's look at say has been let's look at actually the reign of queen elizabeth sort elizabeth ii and sort of stalwart on the throne, a guiding we think about guiding presence. we think about her again and her will meet again speech and other key moments. and obviously her characterised by other key moments. and obviously her never characterised by other key moments. and obviously her never having|racterised by other key moments. and obviously her never having really sed by other key moments. and obviously her never having really put by her never having really put a foot wrong. however, what do you think might have been one of the key she and key mistakes she made? and what do probably her do you think is probably her greatest of her reign? greatest triumph of her reign? >> i think her greatest >> well, i think her greatest triumph for sheer longevity. triumph was for sheer longevity. and say, she never put and as you say, she never put a serious foot wrong. there was never discussion about her

never any discussion about her abdicating throne. was abdicating the throne. there was never discussion her never any discussion about her causing harm the causing any kind of harm to the institution of royal family. institution of a royal family. i think only misstep she ever think the only misstep she ever made she handled diana's made was how she handled diana's death. because i feel that death. yes, because i feel that again, the never complain, never explain again, the never complain, never ex 1997, and you can see that it in 1997, and you can see that it probably stopped working around the time she became queen. actually, an actually, because we live in an age communication, age of mass communication, we live people want live in an age where people want to the news instantly. and to know the news instantly. and if you are this major institution which is blocking the blocking the output the news and blocking the output of news, you're going to end up in a situation where are in a situation where people are disappointed then they start in a situation where people are dislookinted then they start in a situation where people are dislook forzd then they start in a situation where people are dislook for something| they start in a situation where people are dislook for something else. start in a situation where people are dislook for something else. andt to look for something else. and i being a slow to i think that being a slow to realise what the changing world is always been problem is has always been a problem with royal family with the royal family >> although kind of turned >> although she kind of turned a mistake into of her greatest mistake into one of her greatest triumphs, thought when triumphs, i thought because when she televised she did give the televised address spoke, not address where she spoke, not just queen, but as a just as your queen, but as a grandmother, she managed grandmother, she really managed to was looking like to rescue what was looking like an difficult an increasingly difficult situation week . to be fair situation that week. to be fair to the late queen. >> absolutely. she turned it >> absolutely. and she turned it around and one around magnificently and one thing always good at, thing she was always so good at, and referenced her. and you just referenced her. we'll meet again speech is that

she understood the mood of a nafion i she understood the mood of a nation i think was nation and i think that was partly she an partly because she had an excellent comms around her, excellent comms team around her, you know, really dedicated private it was also private secretaries. it was also because somebody a because as somebody who was a veteran of institution of veteran of the institution of monarchy, she'd seen every conceivable challenge that could have at her. have been levelled at her. and she overcame of them . and she overcame all of them. and she overcame all of them. and she a deeply remarkable she was a deeply remarkable woman, on the king, it's woman, and on the king, it's interesting to see reports that he look as if he wants to he does look as if he wants to go ahead with a two week visit to australia october. to australia this october. that's him being nearly that's despite him being nearly 76 point and undergoing 76 by that point and undergoing cancer . is that a good cancer treatment. is that a good idea, do you think? i mean, there's this sense, i think, that shore up the that he needs to shore up the commonwealth, wasn't commonwealth, which wasn't a discussion necessarily took discussion that necessarily took place the queen's watch. place on the late queen's watch. >> think it's the thing >> well, i think it's the thing that kings always want to do, which to announce this great which is to announce this great foreign trip that's going to firm reign. i mean, firm up their reign. i mean, george to to george the sixth wants to go to australia and wasn't australia as well, and he wasn't able and you go back further able to. and you go back further in history. and the fourth in history. and henry the fourth was by going to was obsessed by going to jerusalem. so i think was jerusalem. so i think it was always sense that a king will always a sense that a king will say, i want do this trip, but say, i want to do this trip, but the is much up

the commonwealth is very much up in isn't it? because in the air, isn't it? because prince william publicly said prince william has publicly said that he believes the commonwealth will probably come to his reign? to an end during his reign? and obviously idea when obviously we have no idea when that reign going begin that reign is going to begin because we think the because we can say we think the commonwealth is going to exist for another ten, 20, 30 years. but it really okay? but is it really okay? >> larman, you >> alexander larman, thank you very joining me this very much for joining me this morning. book, power morning. your book, power and glory. think now. if glory. i think is out now. if people would like to read it. well, thank much to well, thank you very much to alexander to all of my alexander and to all of my guests today. i'll be back next sunday a.m. usual. sunday at 9:30 am. as usual. but next, michael but up next, it's michael portillo. after the weather. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello. welcome to your latest gb news weather from the met office. storm kathleen continues to bring some very strong winds and some blustery showers across the uk through today. those showers, always heaviest in the west and staying particularly windy in those western areas. parts of northwestern scotland

could see gusts of 60 to 70 miles. an hour through the afternoon. south eastern parts of england definitely holding on to best of the sunshine, but to the best of the sunshine, but it's across parts of it's across western parts of england wales and northern england and wales and northern ireland scotland too, that ireland and scotland too, that those continue those blustery showers continue to. be quite heavy in to. they could be quite heavy in places, localised places, causing some localised flooding and it will be another mild temperatures around 16 mild day. temperatures around 16 or 17 degrees, but those strong southwesterly winds taking the edge temperatures edge off those temperatures through evening . showers through sunday evening. showers continue to push their way eastwards, turning a little eastwards, so turning a little dner eastwards, so turning a little drier wales and drier across wales central and northern parts england and northern parts of england and the across northern the showers across northern ireland scotland gradually ireland and scotland gradually ease early to ease through the early hours to all eyes down towards the southwest, though cloud increases area of low increases as another area of low pressure pushes into southwestern of the southwestern parts of the uk through monday morning, staying mild temperatures around mild here. temperatures around ten but a little cooler ten degrees but a little cooler under the skies further under the clear skies further north. so for scotland and northern ireland, quite a bright start the morning, but that start to the morning, but that doesn't long. this of doesn't last long. this area of low pressure pushes its way northwards through northwards across the uk through monday rain monday morning. that rain turning particularly heavy across southwest england, wales

and into northern ireland and then into northern ireland through the afternoon. southeast england, still holding on to a bit of sunshine and with some lighter winds here it will be feeling little pleasant. feeling a little more pleasant. temperatures well temperatures still well above average, it average, around 16 or 17. it looks like things are heating up boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> good afternoon britain . >> good afternoon britain. >> good afternoon britain. >> good afternoon britain. >> weekdays from midday we bring you the most compelling stories from across the united kingdom and why it matters to you. >> from your doorstep to our inbox, that's right. >> we want to hear from you. good afternoon, britain. only on gb people's channel, gb news the people's channel, britain's channel

>> good morning, and welcome to sunday with michael portillo. april is upon us. and the cherry. now is hung with bloom along the bough . in our case a along the bough. in our case a tumbling fluorescence of arts, culture, politics and world affairs. an eventful week in politics in both england and scotland. north of the border. the application of the hate crime and public order act is prompting concerns for freedom of speech with the harry potter author jk rowling daring scottish authorjk rowling daring scottish police to arrest her for describing as men some who identify as women in whitehall. as david cameron says that british support for israel is not unconditional, as the foreign office generally thought to be arabist, succeeded in turning the foreign secretary andindeed turning the foreign secretary and indeed the prime minister. does that secure a victory for hamas? i'll also explore the westminster honeytrap scandal with my excellent political panelin with my excellent political panel in a few moments time . a panel in a few moments time. a few weeks ago, i was joined by a

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