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comes next? >> all will be revealed. you won't want to miss that. but before we get started, let's get your latest news headlines. >> nana. thank you. 3:01. your top stories. rishi sunak says the government continues to stand by israel's right to defend its security. six months on from the october seventh terror attacks marking the occasion the prime minister said the uk is shocked by the bloodshed and called for an immediate humanitarian pause in fighting. he also urged hamas to release its hostages and implored israel to get aid into gaza more swiftly . meanwhile, gaza more swiftly. meanwhile, the foreign secretary has used the foreign secretary has used the occasion to stress that the uk's support for israel is not unconditional . while writing in unconditional. while writing in the sunday times, lord cameron said there's no doubt where the blame lies over the death of three british aid workers. and he added this must never happen

again. john chapman , james again. john chapman, james henderson and james kirby died in airstrikes carried out by the idf on an aid convoy on april first. former chair of the defence select committee tobias ellwood, told gb news the uk will be obliged to stop arms sales if israel has broken international law . international law. >> i absolutely support israel's right to prosecute and to go after hamas after what they did. but i also disagree with israel's military response , israel's military response, which seems to be without clarity of what its strategy is , clarity of what its strategy is, what's the governance structure that it's working towards? what is to be the post security is going to be the post security environment that it's building? what actually in what we're seeing is actually in the information, we're seeing this, spread beyond the this, conflict spread beyond the middle east because of what's going on, because what israel is doing, that why david cameron doing, that is why david cameron is saying there needs to be conditions on what's going on. >> the deputy prime minister has denied claims that the uk is failing to prepare for war. oliver dowden is defending the

government after outgoing armed forces ministerjames heappey forces minister james heappey told the telegraph only ministry of defence officials attended a wartime preparation exercise which was meant for the whole of government. former defence secretary ben wallace has backed him up, saying too many in government are, quote, just hoping everything will go away. but oliver dowden told gb news they are putting in the work . they are putting in the work. >> i don't know the specific incident that james was referring to. it is the case that we carry out wide scale, exercising programmes across government. indeed, i did one recently for a national power outage involving several thousand different people across government. now, of course, there is more work that we need to do across different areas, but we have stepped up considerably. our effort . considerably. our effort. >> police have named a man they're hunting for after a woman was stabbed to death in broad daylight in bradford city centre. west yorkshire police detectives have said they want

to trace a 25 year old, habiba masum , who is from the oldham masum, who is from the oldham area. they were called to the city centre on saturday afternoon following reports of an attack by man who fled the an attack by a man who fled the scene. the woman was taken to hospital died . a hospital where she later died. a man in his 20s has been arrested on suspicion of murder following the discovery of a torso at a nature reserve in salford, greater manchester police launched a murder investigation after the body part was found wrapped in plastic at kersal wetlands. the victim is believed to have been older than 40. chief superintendent tony crawley says the suspect, who is from the local area, will be questioned later today . almost questioned later today. almost 5 million people have reported dental problems to the nhs 111 dental problems to the nhs111 helpline over the last five years. government data analysed by the labour party revealed around 965,000 people close to a million were referred for treatment in the last year alone

i >> shadow health secretary wes streeting said calls are skyrocketing with people having to turn to private dentists or carry out their own treatment. health minister dame andrea leadsom says the government's dentistry recovery plan will make services faster. however, dentist doctor sam jethwa told us the situation is getting w0 i'se. woi'se. >> worse. >> there are lots of dentists who are burning out who aren't able to stay in the profession because they're having to see 30, 50 patients a day to diagnose, treat, get them out of pain, all this sort of thing on a routine basis every single day. that can't be sustainable for anyone. and then we have an issue of the lack of new dentists coming in and the time frame being such a long time frame being such a long time frame from getting someone qualified. so it's, it's becoming more of an issue . becoming more of an issue. >> for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts to scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts. now let's get back to .

nana. >> thank you tatiana. good afternoon . it's just coming up afternoon. it's just coming up to seven minutes after 3:00. i'm nana akua. it is time for the clash. but first, the sheer hypocrisy of the west is staggering. who can forget the october 7th, 2023? a day that is etched in my mind as a day when humanity lost its cool and barbarism took over. hamas crossed the border and executed in the most horrendous fashion , in the most horrendous fashion, 1200 civilians going about their lives in a peaceful manner in israel. the details of the crimes they committed were shocking. their aim to kill jews, raped and pillaging in their wake. and i've seen some of the footage . i've been to the of the footage. i've been to the tunnels exhibition, which gave an insight into what the hostages have had and are, if any of them are still alive, having to put up with israel , having to put up with israel, obviously retaliated. we would expect any government to retaliate. they demanded a release of the hostages and

returned fire, aiming to expose and destroy hamas. a declaration of war on gaza and war has been raging ever since. the casualties in gaza are high, but the tipping point came when an aid convoy leaving gaza came under israeli fire, killing all seven of its occupants, three of which were british. there are now calls from an embargo to stop supplying israel with arms, as many are claiming that israel have breached international law. really, with david cameron leading the charge, saying that support for israel is not unconditional. sir michael ellis, the former attorney general, pointed out that those calling for britain to stop selling arms are virtue signalling, signalling and i'm inclined to agree with him. he said an arms embargo would be the wrong step strategically, economically morally and economically and morally and he's right. for one, we buy more arms off israel than they do us. and secondly, the uk's reputation as a reliable arms exporter could be compromised.

here's the thing israel are fighting hamas , an organisation fighting hamas, an organisation that does not subscribe to international law , an international law, an organisation whose masters are harboured in qatar, a country who, ironically, we licensed the most amount of arms to. how ridiculous are we suggesting that israel, who are a fellow democracy and also fighting hezbollah in the north, should simply capitulate to make us all feel better virtue signalling? if ever i did hear it, civil servants are refusing to work, saying that they may be complicit in breaching international law, which hasn't yet fully been determined, is what is happening. please a lot of people don't know this or have conveniently forgotten. but before october the 7th, hamas were firing rockets at israel for as long as i can recall. so israel invested in an iron dome to protect itself rather than retaliate. but whilst israel invested in keeping its citizens safe, hamas or gaza invested in tunnels to store munitions and

hide their activities, the tunnels enabling them to evade israel's scrutiny. there is no time for this virtue signalling baloney. war is a deadly business. of course, my heart goes out to all those killed from whichever side . but this from whichever side. but this could all stop today if the world put the same amount of pressure they have on israel, on those behind hamas, and insist that hamas stop firing the missiles and return the hostages if they embargoed hamas, the war would stop. if they embargoed israel. israel would be annihilated . so before we get annihilated. so before we get stuck into the debates over the next hour , let me introduce you next hour, let me introduce you to my clashes. joining me today is director of climate media coalition, donal mccarthy, and also the deputy leader of reform, ben habib. well, let's see what's coming up in the clash. is it right for david cameron to intervene? the foreign secretary warned that britain's support for israel not is unconditional. he says

is not unconditional. he says that there is doubt where the that there is no doubt where the blame after the strike that blame lies after the strike that killed seven workers. and he killed seven aid workers. and he warned never happen warned this must never happen again. up, do believe again. next up, do you believe william wragg is the victim? nigel farage called william nigel farage has called william wragg's actions abominable after admitting handing the admitting handing over the personal numbers of personal phone numbers of colleagues to the man he met on ghndn colleagues to the man he met on grindr, a gay dating app. should he face consequences by stepping away from his position, then does britain need to prepare for war? james heappey, the former armed forces minister, says that britain failed to prepare britain has failed to prepare itself with his comments itself for war with his comments backed ben wallace, who backed by ben wallace, who says that relying that the government is relying on that the current on hoping that the current instability would go away. so as the failed before it has even the uk failed before it has even started, and should children be allowed to socially transition? reports suggest that some primary school teachers are being told to allow children to change gender without informing their parents, despite government guidance to the contrary, it seems that government guidance is just not strong enough. so what do you think? and finally, is the king

right to be building new homes? locals in historic market towns have lashed out at his plans proposed by king charles to build 2500 homes, which they believe will swallow up the town. so these plans do these plans align with the royals love of the environment? tell me what you think. as ever, email gb views and gb news. com or tweet me at . gb news. so first, the me at. gb news. so first, the foreign secretary has called on israel to reduce the risk of airstrikes hitting innocent victims. he added that britain's support for israel is not unconditional, raising the pressure on the on benjamin netanyahu over the killing of seven aid workers. the foreign secretary says that there is no doubt where the blame lies, and warns that this must never happen again. so is david cameron right to intervene ? cameron right to intervene? let's get started. let's welcome again to my clashes director of climate media coalition, donal mccarthy, and also the deputy leader of reform uk, ben habib. donica. i'm going to start with

you . is david cameron rights to you. is david cameron rights to intervene? do you think that intervene? and do you think that an arms embargo is the correct way? >> yeah, i think he is correct to intervene. the idea that the british arm government should be selling arms to people who are killing some of our aid workers is intolerable. i agree with the sentiment at the beginning that britain rank britain that there is rank hypocrisy west in hypocrisy in the west in relation to israel, because actually we be doing actually what we should be doing to what we did to to israel is what we did to russia a huge attack on on humanitarian crimes against the civilians of gaza should be respond to with full sanctions. we should not be importing £3 billion worth of goods from israel. >> how's that going with russia? just out of interest? the sanctions that you're talking about? >> well, we should be imposing is we should. >> no, no, no, you said that we should doing what did to should be doing what we did to russia with sanctions. i'm asking how gone? asking you, how has that gone? has worked? asking you, how has that gone? haswell, rked? asking you, how has that gone? haswell, what has done it not >> well, what has done it not not not effectively. >> should do do something >> they should do do something that doesn't work. well. >> we should doing is >> what we should be doing is actually that we don't actually showing that we don't support the, support our fund. the, the

military attack on a civilian population. that is that population. so that is that that's that's that's surely that's, that's a mental should mental mistake that we should not support. mental mistake that we should not so pport. mental mistake that we should not so what about the fact that >> so what about the fact that we arms to qatar and we supply arms to qatar and actually it's at top of the actually it's at the top of the table who are sort of behind hamas the hamas leaders are there? >> well, understanding is >> well, my understanding is qatar invading israel. qatar isn't invading israel. i think one interesting point think what one interesting point about issue is about the whole israeli issue is with i was discussing with ben, i was discussing earlier, we're not talking about the origin and how do we create peace, how do we create peace in palestine? because i think we should go back to basics . and i should go back to basics. and i looked at before i came on the show today, i looked up the stats in 1918 britain stats in 1918 when britain declared balfour declaration declared the balfour declaration and sorry, palestine and gave israel sorry, palestine to the zionists. there were only 8% of the population were jewish, 8. and we opened the doors to mass immigration. let's created this huge problem and do not the palestinians have the right to defend themselves like the israelis do? are you against mass immigration? >> donica i'm like, what i'm against is, is actually a delivery date change in the

population of that country. yeah, yeah, that's a remarkable statement. >> wow, wow. i mean, so you've only gone back to 1948. you're not going in 1980? >> no, 19 1719. >> no, 19 1719. >> the british empire, which which ben a fan of the which ben is a fan of the british empire calls this problem allowing and problem by by allowing and encouraging mass immigration from europe to palestine and ignored the native population. >> i think that it's very simplistic of you to literally go back and blame this on the british. >> i think also the circumstance in 1917 was totally different. so you need to if you're going to go back, you need to go even further back. i don't really think that's necessarily relevant. i think for this moment, think is. moment, i don't think it is. >> i it's very difficult >> i think it's very difficult to draw moral correctitude by going to various points history. >> mean, it can and >> it's i mean, it can and should be done certain should be done in certain circumstances, but how often are we going to go back to 1917, which than 100 years which is more than 100 years ago? often going to ago? how often are we going to go back to 1948? israel exists. it's a democratic , settled it's a democratic, settled country. in a hostile country. it's in a hostile environment. to be environment. it needs to be armed. we're going to talk about

uk's defences. just as the uk needs to be strong in order to deter its enemies and hopefully, therefore avoid war. israel needs to be strong. but i'm so glad that you mentioned qatar , glad that you mentioned qatar, because i've been bleating on about qatar and the hypocrisy for me in the west is saying that israel has the right to defend itself, giving israel the arms with which to defend itself and prosecute the war, but actually not taking qatar on qatar was as you, as you might know, was sanctioned by the gulf cooperation council back in 2017 itself. it was thrown out of the gcc for four years because of its links to terrorism and we are not tackling the elephant in the room. it's because we're in bed with qatar, because we've got lots of money here from qatar. david cameron no doubt has mates in the qatari regime. >> we don't know that. >> we don't know that. >> but but the money. >> but but the money. >> but but the money. >> but you don't know that. >> but you don't know that. >> i don't know that but no, no okay, fine.

>> so do think it should be >> so do you think it should be selling arms to saudi arabia? but say, can i just but can i just say, can i just say can i just finish? >> so qatar should be sanctioned. the flow of arms and money hamas needs to be cut money to hamas needs to be cut off its legs. and then maybe off at its legs. and then maybe we can move to a different phase in the war. if is in the war. if hamas is militarily, militarily undermined, and it's quite possible that. hamas is in possible to do that. hamas is in an isolated geographical zone . an isolated geographical zone. you take out qatar, you identify iran, which is the prime mover behind hamas here, and challenge iran as well militarily. by the way, i think that is the thing to do. you really think we already have a regional war? >> they would only look at us. and if they to come to us, and if they were to come to us, we literally as we're going to talk in a few moments time, we're not organised we have a we're not organised or we have a regional war in the middle east already. >> people say that would escalate to we've got to call out the and we've out the enemy and we've got to call out straight, and then call them out straight, and then we've challenge them. and we've got to challenge them. and the is twofold. it's the enemy here is twofold. it's iran and providing iran militarily and providing money qatar being the money and qatar being the conduh money and qatar being the conduit that, for the conduit for that, for the promotion of that violence. >> to that though, because

>> say to that though, because as outin >> say to that though, because as out in my as i pointed out in my monologue, , actually, if monologue, there, actually, if we hamas and, know , we disarmed hamas and, you know, and went through qatar, this would over, as know , would all be over, as you know, israel has said that that they will the, you know, hamas will stop the, you know, hamas are rockets. are firing the rockets. >> kill every single >> you could kill every single member hamas and you would member of hamas and you would have another hamas ten years have another hamas in ten years time. at the history of time. look at the history of northern ireland. look the northern ireland. look at the history of northern ireland. they eliminate the ira they tried to eliminate the ira and never succeeded. oh, we and it never succeeded. oh, we at the end had to have at the end you had to have a political. why am i not allowed to finish? >> no, no, because i'm interrupting you. yeah. so that's why i interrupt him, interrupting you. yeah. so that'quiet. i interrupt him, interrupting you. yeah. so that'quiet. yeah.:errupt him, interrupting you. yeah. so that'quiet. yeah. okayt him, interrupting you. yeah. so that'quiet. yeah. okay so m, interrupting you. yeah. so that'quiet. yeah. okay so all he's quiet. yeah. okay so all i'm talking, all i'm asking you to do is talk specifically and answer my questions with regard to hamas. you've gone you're to hamas. you've gone on you're talking northern ireland. talking about northern ireland. so you that surely if so i'm asking you that surely if we which the point, if we we which is the point, if we disarmed hamas , this would be disarmed hamas, this would be oven over. >> oven >> my answer was over. >> my answer was no. oven >> my answer was no. and the reason why i say no is you can kill every single member of hamas and you will have 100 men and women in their place in ten years time, because they live in

an occupied concentration camp. when point about when you dismiss my point about that, balfour, but the establishment of the israeli state was built on the occupation of the palestinian people . and as long as those people. and as long as those people. and as long as those people are dispossessed and occupied and under a terrorist regime, there will be more and new hamas every ten years. we have to have a political solution to this. who then is right? we need to look at the elephant in the room and the elephant in the room and the elephant in the room. is nobody talking about how can we politically solve that problem? well that's what we're talking about. >> so we're talking about qatar and about disarming and talking about disarming hamas war. hamas to stop the war. >> the war is a symptom >> that's the war is a symptom of the political problem, that there is an occupied people right now. >> there are people dying in a war. so the long form, the long form is exactly as you say . form game is exactly as you say. but i'm talking about right now. right right now , i can't right now, right now, i can't go, oh, let's negotiate this, this, this will be years in the making sure right now to stop the rockets. i'm saying, why don't put pressure hamas don't we put pressure on hamas in we not doing

in qatar? why are we not doing that right now? >> we have 32,000 people dead from a massive assault on from from a massive assault on the concentration camp. we have more don't. have more if we don't. we have hundreds of people hundreds of thousands of people starving. what cameron is starving. and so what cameron is finally doing, which i think is really interesting, mean , ben really interesting, i mean, ben and have attacked and others have have attacked the marches in london as the peace marches in london as being as being hate marches. but it's very interesting . after six it's very interesting. after six months of those marches, both the government and the the british government and the us government are now saying the israeli assault on the population of gaza is unacceptable. it's a humanitarian crime and we need to tackle that now. >> no, i don't think anyone is saying it's a humanitarian crime. loads of people. there was well not the government. >> hundreds of lawyers have just said supreme hundreds said it. supreme court, hundreds of lawyers, of hundreds of lawyers, thousands have said, thousands of lawyers have said, yeah, one in the yeah, but no one in the government, no in a position government, no one in a position of executive authority in the us government the british government or the british government has said that a humanitarian crime is being committed in gaza. >> we've be very on >> we've got to be very clear on that. south brought that. and south africa brought a case israel and there case against israel and there was not sufficient evidence to adjudicate, they said that south

africa had a plausible case, but that equate to that does not equate to condemning israel. but i think we're missing the point. >> no, i agree with you. the >> no, no, i agree with you. the point is, is the british government and the government government and the us government have must stop have both said israel must stop the the people of the starvation of the people of gaza, must stop the gaza, and it must stop the indiscriminate slaughter of civilians . that indiscriminate slaughter of civilians. that is what indiscriminate slaughter of civilians . that is what the civilians. that is what the peace march demanded. but donica and now agree with and they both now agree with that. >> e- e got to just say >> but i've got to just say this, cameron, is part of the problem. cameron is firmly problem. david cameron is firmly part this problem. part of this problem. he destabilised the entire middle east spring, east through his arab spring, promoting democracy into regions of, regions the of, of into regions of the middle east, which simply were not for it. only not ready for it. the only democratically settled state in the middle east is israel. it needs the right to protect itself. >> but can i just finish up the right? so i agree, i agree with you. >> the solution to gaza is nafion >> the solution to gaza is nation building, not nation destroying. but the first step in afghanistan. but the first step that you've got to take is destroy hamas. and we're not going to do it militarily. it has to come through cutting off,

taking his arms. >> i've got to go for a break because why are you shaking your head? >> because they tried to destroy to destroy the it never to destroy the ira and it never worked. it worked? no. it destroyed ira, was destroyed the ira, worked, was that police? was the that the police? that was the peace that came out of peace process that came out of the result of the ira. no. >> okay, well, happy have >> okay, well, i'm happy to have that debate. destroyed the ira. >> well, we'll discuss that after the what do you after the break. what do you think? views had gb news. com think? gb views had gb news. com get in touch. that's me right now. is the clash. now. this is the clash. we're live and on live on tv, online and on digital radio. coming should digital radio. coming up. should children socially children be allowed to socially transition? does

war? no, i didn't. that's ridiculous. sorry if you just join me. welcome aboard. this is gp news on tv online. on digital radio. i'm nana akua. this is the clash . joining me, donna mccarthy. and also ben habib. >> habib. >> habib. >> he's there. right. so in the wake of william wragg's admission to the involvement in

the westminster honeytrap sixteen scandal, nigel farage has condemned his actions as abominable. and he suggested that an investigation by the mps standards sa, may be warranted. the tory mp and the vice chairman of the 1922 committee admitted to sharing colleagues phone numbers with the man who he met on grindr, leading to messages being sent under false identities. while some sympathised with wragg, citing him as a potential victim, should he just face the consequences is so let's see what ben and monica make of that . donna mccarthy i'll come to you first. >> it's an interesting moral dilemma, because what this moral dilemma, because what this moral dilemma is if somebody is blackmailed into doing wrong, should they be punished for doing wrong because that's the that's the moral dilemma we do. >> two wrongs make a right. >> two wrongs make a right. >> exactly . so i would argue >> exactly. so i would argue that the giving out of the phone numbers unacceptable . numbers was unacceptable. however, i think the issue of the blackmail that he was blackmailed is appalling. and the fact is, millions of britons are on these dating apps,

exchanging intimate pictures. and this shows the level of risk of blackmail those millions of british people are facing. >> i think much of the level of stupidity, actually, i don't know about i think i think know about you, i think i think no government minister should be on grindr. >> there just shouldn't be really, absolutely. they shouldn't you're shouldn't be. if you're if you're the british you're representing the british people in parliament you people in parliament and you have the, the added responsibility of being a minister, the last thing you should be doing is exposing yourself on apps. it's completely wrong . the man is completely wrong. the man is incompetent. he is. he's in. he's in a gross breach of his fiduciary obligations to the british people, the government and the british people and he should be sacked as a minister for being on grindr, for exposing himself, putting himself in a vulnerable position which someone else is exploited. i think the man and i choose my words carefully is a plonker, well, you don't mince your words, willy. >> he is so much for freedom and ben's commitment to freedom is that people shouldn't be on on dating apps. >> well, minister so we're

>> well, a minister so we're at where do with him is where i do agree with him is that out personal phone that handing out personal phone numbers unacceptable. that handing out personal phone numberzexposing eptable. that handing out personal phone numberzexposing himself on an >> and exposing himself on an app' >> and exposing himself on an app, that's his choice. no, it's not his choice. >> well, there you go. >> well, there you go. >> freedom. you should. freedom. >> freedom. you should. freedom. >> you should not be minister. >> you should not be a minister. you should not be a parliamentarian of freedom of speech. >> you should be listen to >> you should not be listen to you. not you. you're you. it's not you. you're banning people going on dating banning people going on a dating app. where you going? what app. where are you going? what freedom going take us? >> exposing your privates on an app >> exposing your privates on an app is not freedom of speech. thatis app is not freedom of speech. that is absolutely disgusting. he have done it. he shouldn't have done it. he shouldn't been this app. shouldn't have been on this app. he have been showing he shouldn't have been showing himself fashioned opponent himself off fashioned opponent of of speech where we of freedom of speech where we can agree. >> hopefully we can agree. you should not be handing out other people's personal. is it phone numbers people's personal. is it phone nuram's is my freedom of speech >> am i is my freedom of speech being restricted because i'm not allowed to expose myself on gb news? you're telling news? right. you're telling other people what is what is what can know. what they can know. >> but exactly in their personal lives the man is for you. >> the man is a first class idiot. he's a minister in the government. he exposed himself

on an app. he put himself in a position where he can be blackmailed. he then allowed himself to be blackmailed. the man should be thrown out of the government and he should be suspended as a parliamentarian . suspended as a parliamentarian. there should be another by—election and there should be no given to this idiot. no truck given to this idiot. >> that extraordinary angry rant. >> no, but but but the serious point here, i think the moral point here, i think the moral point which you haven't addressed is what do we do with people who are with are the victims of blackmail? >> because that's not the big point here. that's not the big point here. that's not the big point absolutely the big point is absolutely the big point, it's a moral point, because it's a moral dilemma . dilemma. >> should punish people who >> should we punish people who have blackmailed doing have been blackmailed into doing wrong? are, if you wrong? but if you are, if you put yourself into a position where you could blackmailed, put yourself into a position whersurely,ould blackmailed, put yourself into a position when surely, therefore lackmailed, put yourself into a position when surely, therefore lackyoured, responsibility. well, look, listen , everyone >> well, look, listen, everyone knows that if you're going to take pictures of your privates, which i don't think you should for media. if you are for social media. but if you are going do that, don't put your going to do that, don't put your face in the shot. if you've been silly enough to identify and expose yourself completely, be okay have made okay and then you have made yourself a target for blackmail.

and you're and that is whether you're a politician, whether you're anyone, anywhere. it's the most bafic anyone, anywhere. it's the most basic social media. he basic rule on social media. he failed. basic rule on social media. he failwell, would argue the two >> well, i would argue the two things here things that are happening here that wrong. first of all, that were wrong. first of all, somebody them an somebody blackmailed them for an exchanging let exchanging views on the app. let me on the on the app and me finish on the on the app and secondly, he handed out the private numbers. and i think that's why i agree with nigel farage he should be farage that he should be investigated authorities for parliamentary authorities for giving not giving out those numbers, not for a, on dating app. for being on a, on a dating app. interesting standards. danica well, listen, in a statement, william arag has apologised. he said i was scared. i'm mortified. i'm so sorry that my weakness has caused other people hurt, well , former defence hurt, well, former defence minister james heappey and ben ministerjames heappey and ben wallace have issued a stern warning to the british government highlighting a concerning lack of preparation for a potential conflict. this is story , by the way. is the next story, by the way. ep in particular emphasised the necessity of coordinated national effort akin to wartime practices, for plans to practices, calling for plans to secure resources and so on and so forth. well stay tuned, we'll be discussing that shortly. but first, your latest first, let's get your latest news tatiana .

news with tatiana. >> nana, thank you very much. and good afternoon. the top stories this hour. rishi sunak says the government continues to stand by. israel's right to defend its security. six months on from the october seventh terror attacks marking the occasion, the prime minister said the uk is shocked by the bloodshed and called for an immediate humanitarian pause in fighting . he also urged hamas to fighting. he also urged hamas to release its hostages and implored israel to get aid into gaza more swiftly. he meanwhile, the foreign secretary has used the foreign secretary has used the occasion to stress that the uk's support for israel is not unconditional . while writing in unconditional. while writing in the sunday times, lord cameron said there's no doubt where the blame lies over the death of three british aid workers. and he added this must never happen again. john chapman, james

henderson and james kirby died in airstrikes carried out by the idf on an aid convoy on the 1st of april. the deputy prime minister has denied claims that the uk is failing to prepare for war. oliver dowden is defending the government after outgoing armed forces minister james heappey told the telegraph only ministry of defence officials attended a wartime preparation exercise which was meant for the whole of government. former defence secretary ben wallace has backed him up, saying too many in government are, quote, just hoping everything will go away. and police have named a man they're hunting for after a woman was stabbed to death in broad daylight in bradford city centre. west yorkshire police detectives say they want to trace 25 year old habiba masoom, who's from the oldham area. they were called to the city centre yesterday afternoon following reports of an attack by a man who fled the scene. the woman was taken to hospital where she later died. for the latest

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war? welcome back. it's just coming up to 36 minutes after 3:00. i'm nana akua . this is gb news. we nana akua. this is gb news. we are the people's channel now. before the break, we were discussing calls for the uk to stop selling arms to israel. let's see what you've been saying. carol says why is everyone fingers everyone shaking their fingers at how people at israel? strange how people have forgotten that hamas committed a massacre. i'm with you. don't get it. i mean, you. i don't get it. i mean, she's right, isn't she? why are people shaking their fingers at israel? >> because the they're a

terrorist regime . they're terrorist regime. they're slaughtering thousands of people just hamas are terrorists . just like hamas are terrorists. >> the israeli government is different. in a war. different. they're in a war. >> not in a war. they're >> they're not in a war. they're they're they're aiming a war. they're aiming a giant war machine defenceless people machine at a defenceless people living concentration camp. machine at a defenceless people livi that's concentration camp. machine at a defenceless people livi that's .:oncentration camp. machine at a defenceless people livi that's . what 1tration camp. machine at a defenceless people livi that's . what are ion camp. machine at a defenceless people livi that's . what are ion > that's. what are you talking about? ridiculous. john about? that's ridiculous. john says politicians of the says the politicians of the world. i wish i'd asked don't want hamas to stop . after all, want hamas to stop. after all, war is the biggest money making scam of time. unfortunately scam of all time. unfortunately paid the of the paid for with the blood of the innocent. says, i still innocent. as he says, i still want uk to continue to want the uk to continue to support israel. gutless cameron , support israel. gutless cameron, who away when he who slithered away when he didn't way with brexit. didn't get his way with brexit. yeah, with you on yeah, i know i'm with you on that. ran away, didn't he? that. he ran away, didn't he? needs to up for israel so needs to stand up for israel so we'll keep thoughts coming we'll keep those thoughts coming gb gb news. com gb views out gb news. com if you've joined this is you've just joined me this is the i'm nana akua joining the clash. i'm nana akua joining me and donna mccarthy. me ben habib and donna mccarthy. right defence right next former defence ministers jane james heappey and ben wallace have issued a stern warning to the british government highlighting a concerning lack of preparation for potential conflict. heappey in particular, emphasised that

the necessity of a coordinated national effort, akin to wartime practices , calling for plans to practices, calling for plans to secure resources like land and consumer electronics for national defence. now this comes amid heightened tensions globally with russia's invasion of ukraine and the conflict between hamas and israel, prompting a re—evaluation of britain's defence strategy. so does britain need to prepare for war? ben habib so the first observation i'd like to make is that james heappey and ben wallace were both minister and secretary of state for defence for four years, until very recently , and them now calling recently, and them now calling out rightly in my opinion, the united kingdom not being ready for war is really very squarely their problem. >> they created the problem in the first place. they were part of the administration that failed to get us ready for war. and liz truss in in that infamous or famous mini—budget, one of her one of her spending commitments was to increase

defence spending from 2% to 2.5. and ben wallace at the time initially said he didn't need the money, which is quite interesting. if you go back and you look at his initial comments, he then came round and said, well, actually i can deploy it if i'm given it, but we have hollowed our we have hollowed out our own defence ability. you defence ability. the two, you know, english language is know, the english language is being repeatedly used to hijack agenda. i think words agenda. and i think two words that come together in the that have come together in the last years, which should last 30 years, which should never come when never come together when determining policy , is determining defence policy, is the peace dividend. we've we've been this peace dividend been using this peace dividend ever since, you know, the early 1990s, spending money, believing that the world was now at peace. we defeated russia. you know, the communism was defeated in 1989. we were going to get a peace dividend. and we could spend it on our own, on our own domestic well—being . what we domestic well—being. what we should have been doing is recognising order to recognising that in order to prevent future conflicts, we need strong. and as a need to be strong. and as a nafion need to be strong. and as a nation , we are not strong at the nation, we are not strong at the moment. we are politically weak . moment. we are politically weak. we seen to be politically we are seen to be politically weak. going discuss weak. we're going to discuss

transgender ideology. people like and china be like putin and china will be looking across to us and thinking they're consumed with internal inability to galvanise the british people in the in the pursuit of what, a british interest. they're all at sixes and sevens with themselves and their military militarily weak. they're a weak target . we can they're a weak target. we can have them if we want them. that is the signal we're sending out. as a country. we urgently need to get a grip in the united kingdom. >> donna mccarthy. >> donna mccarthy. >> if everything going to be reduced to the transgender issue, this is ridiculous . no, issue, this is ridiculous. no, but the real issue with the british military issue is, is what are we spending our money on? not how much money are we spending? 2% of our of spending? spending 2% of our of our of national gdp is a our of our national gdp is a significant investment in our defence when we're not actually at war. however, you look at at war. however, if you look at how spent the budget over the how we spent the budget over the last 20 years, we have huge overspends on almost every single programme that we have actually to buy. and the actually tried to buy. and the other thing is we are we're we're arming for second world

war type wars rather than the new wars, which are computer and ai led. one of the shocking things coming out of the reports last week from israel was that thousands of people are being killed by ai, targeted machinery. now, what is britain going to do in the new a new era of ai war? that's where we need to look. rather than building huge aircraft carriers that we can't even fit out. not mine. get to run. >> you say that. >> you say that. >> but then if you look at russia ukraine, that's just russia and ukraine, that's just an like street fight, an almost like a street fight, isn't it? >> that's become or israel and gaza. >> if you look at israel and gaza, i don't quite think you're right. >> you've got to have jets, you've got to have guns. >> have what >> you've got to have look what happened the between happened to in the war between ukraine russia. their fleet ukraine and russia. their fleet is useless. it's is absolutely useless. it's useless. are we spending useless. and why are we spending billions of pounds on aircraft? carriers are now useless in the modern with drones. carriers are now useless in the modern absolutely with drones. carriers are now useless in the modern absolutely sitting drones. they're absolutely sitting targets . targets. >> yes, i completely disagreed on it. i was sitting with an admiral of the british army.

>> i was set on the defence working party of the liberal democrats the 90s, when we democrats in the 90s, when we were proposing to build another aircraft and that aircraft carrier, and that senior member of the navy said, this a total waste of money. this is a total waste of money. and he was right. >> well, the liberal democrats probably would say an aircraft carrier was a member of the of the of retired admiral senior. the of a retired admiral senior. and have hijacked by and he may have been hijacked by this concept of the peace dividend. let me tell you i've i've talked to admirals who are not prepared to defend our borders because so hijacked has the whole thing become. but having aircraft carriers. absolutely. >> in what way? >> in what way? >> i'll tell you about it later, but i will i will having aircraft carriers is a critical component of our ability to act internationally if we want. as i was advocating, taking the fight if necessary to iran, we will need aircraft carriers out in the gulf. >> okay, well, listen, i'm going to stop that there. and i think that you do need aircraft carriers. i don't really know what kind of war you're talking

about, but if you notice that many wars are actually from many wars are actually won from overhead, so the aircraft need to land somewhere. but you to land somewhere. yeah, but you also right? so if also need aircraft, right? so if you just join me. welcome on board. this is news. nana board. this is gb news. i'm nana akua. on tv, online akua. we're live on tv, online and digital radio. coming up, and on digital radio. coming up, and on digital radio. coming up, a review on gender identity services for children is expected children expected to ask, should children be socially be allowed to socially transition ? that's on the way. transition? that's on the way. stay tuned. don't

welcome on board. this is the clash. i'm nana akua . you're clash. i'm nana akua. you're listening to gb news on tv, onune listening to gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. now, a review on gender identity services for children is expected to caution against allowing children to socially transition, citing potential potential psychological repercussions. concern have been raised about the rising number of children identified as transgender, and the implications of schools

permitting gender changes without parental involvement . so without parental involvement. so should children be allowed to socially transition ? well, socially transition? well, joining me now my clash is donna mccarthy. and also ben habib. i'm to come you ben. i'm going to come to you ben. >> well, the short answer is no. i don't think there should be. i think that, children often need to be treated as children and they need them. they are infants and infantilized and they should be infantilized and they should be infantilized and they should get the complete protection of adults as they go through many transitions by the way, from birth to 18, they'll come round, you know , changing come round, you know, changing the way they think, the way they dress, their approach to life. all that is an evolutionary all of that is an evolutionary process, rapidly evolutionary process, a rapidly evolutionary process. as you become an adult, there's a reason why people aren't allowed to vote till they're 18. it's because they're not recognised to be, you know, able to vote with all the cognisance of a voter. and we should afford the same, the same thinking applies to their ability to transgender. no i think children are children.

they should be taught as whatever their biological sex is. and then if at the age of 18, they wish to go off and transgender and do whatever it is they wish to do as adults, well, that's their prerogative. donnai well, that's their prerogative. donna i think there's a theme developing here today , which is developing here today, which is ben keeps stepping to in restrict freedom. >> and actually, i think one of the problems with really you can't just say stuff like that and then move on. >> that's not fair. i don't think that's true. >> well, yes, he's actually talking about restricting the freedom people to freedom of transgender people to express school. freedom of transgender people to exp now school. freedom of transgender people to exp now . school. freedom of transgender people to exp now . children, school. freedom of transgender people to exp now . children, children... >> now. children, children. >> now. children, children. >> that's the restriction of freedom. it's freedom. whether you think it's the or not is the right thing or not is another debate. >> was trying to restrict >> and i was trying to restrict the minister from exposing himself public act where himself on a public act where i think the where where i think there is an issue with this report, which may be right, that, who are that, children who who are allowed transition may, may potentially problems. allowed transition may, may potwhatly problems. allowed transition may, may pot what they problems. allowed transition may, may pot what they haven't s. allowed transition may, may pot what they haven't addressed >> what they haven't addressed is the fact is that most transgender people are currently already experiencing psychological problems . so how psychological problems. so how do we help them? and i think banning them, their freedom may

not assist their illness. well, the cast report did point out that it's not a neutral act to allow someone to have a different incorrect pronouns to their , gender. their biological, gender. >> so and these are young people. bear in mind who don't really know what a woman is. actually, if you were to define it non—biologically even i can't define it non biologically because for me it's a biological definition for a reality and not something that is made up. the genderis something that is made up. the gender is a stereotype on that biological definition. so what do you actually think that it's a neutral act. would you agree with the report, i, i do agree with the report, i, i do agree with the report that it's not a neutral act. of course it has consequences and we need to examine those consequences. but i think also we have to say what is going to be how do we address the mental illnesses of the people transgender, people who are transgender, who are enormous are suffering in enormous levels? children. levels? these are children. and the very the second point, very young people going people are going through probably things probably puberty and things like that. yeah. and the studies show that. yeah. and the studies show that transgender children have much of, of mental

much higher rates of, of mental illness than non non transgender people. and the second point i think that comes out of this report that we need to consider is yes, i can understand that the claim that parents have a right to be informed, however , right to be informed, however, as a gay person, what often happened if the parents were informed was gay, informed that a child was gay, that may have violent or that they may have a violent or homophobic family actually homophobic family who actually inflicted violence on the child, or they kicked them out of the home. so there are big issues here, actually. >> i mean, i on the same side of that, they could be a very welcoming, warm, loving family and open to that. so i don't really think that it's not like the to able to make the school to be able to make that of. that sort of. >> but even, even, even if a, if, even if parent is if, even if a parent is homophobic and even if a parent then there then beats their child, there are already in place to are laws already in place to protect child against that protect the child against that sort from a parent. the sort of abuse from a parent. the fact is, the fact is a child is a child. till they're 18. they deserve to safeguarded . until deserve to be safeguarded. until they're they should they're 18, they should be infantilised and they should not be make these huge be allowed to make these huge decisions their bodies and be allowed to make these huge decistheir their bodies and be allowed to make these huge decistheir identities' bodies and be allowed to make these huge decistheir identities belows and be allowed to make these huge decistheir identities below the d their their identities below the age of my view, the other

age of 18. in my view, the other thing is, and it's very clear, the educational establishments are using the transgender issue to promote this kind of marxist left wing. absolutely donica. and it goes and it goes. let me tell you, the number, the number 100 years, the number, the number of transgender, the number of transgender, the number not relevant, the number of transgender , 0.4% of the of transgender, 0.4% of the population is transgender. it is being used as a political weapon in the educational establishment alongside critical race theory, alongside critical race theory, alongside teaching the children of this country that they should not be proud of the british empire, that they should not be proud the union jack, that proud of the union jack, that that they should give in to open borders no, i'm not on borders again. no, i'm not on a rant making his point. i'm not on a rant. sorry. stop. >> this is introducing 12 different things that are not to do with transgender. >> you're exaggerating. it wasn't 12, it was about five. >> people, they're all >> and people, they're all linked. >> they're linked. >> they're all linked. >> they're all linked. >> view, they're linked.

>> no, i think someone's point, what you do is you make a point. >> what is your point? >> what is your point? >> he actually talked about >> well he actually talked about safeguarding and he he dismissed my safeguarding that if my point by safeguarding that if a is faced with a choice a school is faced with a choice that they parents that if they tell the parents that if they tell the parents that could injured or that child could be injured or killed made homeless, that is killed or made homeless, that is a difficult a really difficult social position, moral position for that in. and that school to be in. and i think school is black and white. parents got a way to deal with it. >> the school, the state system, the system not the school system does not substitute is substitute for parents. this is part the problem with the part of the problem with the united at the moment. united kingdom. at the moment. there far much state there is far too much state interference in everything, including in which including the manner in which our brought up. our our children are brought up. our children they children are our children. they don't the schools. the don't belong to the schools. the schools teach them to schools should teach them how to do do english, do maths, how to do english, a degree of biology and they should not be promoting these ideologies. of know. ideologies. and of know. >> so therefore what you are saying, i think simplest saying, i think this simplest moralistic approach to the big issues of our time doesn't help us, because what you're actually saying is that school should not care if a child is injured. is, is made homeless because they

didn't take the decision. no, no, no no. he's saying no . no, no, no no. he's saying no. no, no, no no. he's saying no. no, no he's saying the school. no please let me. >> no no no no i will let you finish . but if >> no no no no i will let you finish. but if you >> no no no no i will let you finish . but if you reinterpret finish. but if you reinterpret something and you're making that up, he never used any of those words. >> he is actually saying that the schools should should inform the schools should should inform the parents. absolutely. in a situation where there may be violence be made violence or a threat to be made homeless, not acceptable. >> he didn't. said there >> he didn't. he said there should informed if the person should be informed if the person is socially. now, is transitioning socially. now, that is not the same that is not that is not the same as what you've just said. no. >> what it is, it is >> well, what it is, it is because the reason, the reason why it is, is that a proportion of those kids will face those situations and situations potentially. but and that's saying it's not situations potentially. but and that's and saying it's not situations potentially. but and that's and white.iying it's not situations potentially. but and that's and white. yes. it's not situations potentially. but and that's and white. yes. you'ret black and white. yes. you're right. not saying right. i'm not saying that children face good children will also face good scenarios well . scenarios as well. >> i don't think that that's i just think that. just don't think that. >> you give in to >> and if you give in to danika's argument that the child becomes in danger informing danika's argument that the child bec�*parents danger informing danika's argument that the child bec�*parentswhater informing danika's argument that the child bec�*parents what you're1forming danika's argument that the child bec�*parents what you're1formiris the parents what you're doing is putting the putting a wedge between the educational establishment and parenting, and you're giving the

educationalover parents, trump card over the parents, and you moving the bringing up you are moving the bringing up of that child away from the parents, which is rightfully where to state where it should be to the state system. can imagine? and system. can you imagine? and that is wrong. >> you said me that if you >> you said to me that if you said me, well, we're not said to me, well, we're not going to tell you, because you might those parents might be one of those parents that i don't that might do this. i don't think acceptable me. think that's acceptable to me. >> the, the, if the >> but if the, if, the, if the school has, has, has caused . to school has, has, has caused. to believe that that is the case, they are faced with a moral dilemma. and ben ben's line there is this ben's line. there is a line between parenting and schools is a one. it's a schools is a false one. it's a grey line because schools do schools is a false one. it's a grey responsibility;chools do schools is a false one. it's a grey responsibility for»ols do have responsibility for the welfare when welfare of their students when the are to fulfil the parents are unable to fulfil it. i don't. ben it. children, no i don't. ben habib, do you have any children? >> got three. >> i do, i've got three. >> i do, i've got three. >> okay. i just thought i'd ask that so. yeah. that just to find out. so. yeah. so interesting that you so that's interesting that you don't children, but don't have children, but actually well. and actually i, i do as well. and i think that parents should think that the parents should always be informed on. absolutely of whether irrespective of whether the school could school thinks that this could happen could happen or happen or that could happen or this could happen. it's not really them to make that really for them to make that moral it's them

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office for gb news. we hold on to unsettled weather across the uk over the next few days, all of us seeing further rain at times. quite blustery winds to storm, move storm, kathleen starting to move off sea, away towards off the sea, now away towards the north and west of scotland. nofice the north and west of scotland. notice how low pressure gathering once again towards the south—west uk. set south—west of the uk. that's set to rain as to bring more wind and rain as we monday. back to we head into monday. back to this though, this evening, though, the showers . are starting to ease showers. are starting to ease across england and wales, at least for a time, because as we go into the early hours of monday, further outbreaks of rain start to push in from the south—west, certainly into parts of the of wales, by the end of the night. whereas towards the north of wales, by the end of the nivery whereas towards the north of wales, by the end of the nivery blustery towards the north of wales, by the end of the nivery blustery picture, the north a very blustery picture, certainly through the evening. some heavy showers around for a time, showers to time, those showers starting to ease more ease into the early hours more in clear spells in the way of clear spells developing across the north of the some rural spots, the uk and in some rural spots, it could turn quite chilly by monday morning as for monday itself, out across of rain are out across parts of wales more wales will also become more widespread south, widespread from the south, across as we across england and wales. as we go day, some of go through the day, some of those rain turning those outbreaks of rain turning quite some southern quite heavy across some southern areas into the afternoon, whereas further north, northern

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>> what comes next? do you? all will be revealed. stay tuned. you won't want to miss it. but before we get started, let's get your latest news headlines . your latest news headlines. >> nana. thank you and good afternoon. the top stories this hour. afternoon. the top stories this hour . rishi afternoon. the top stories this hour. rishi sunak says the government continues to stand by israel's right to defend its security. six months on from the october 7th terror attacks marking the occasion, the prime minister said the uk is shocked by the bloodshed and called for an immediate humanitarian pause in fighting. he also urged hamas to release its hostages and implored israel to get aid into gaza more swiftly . meanwhile, gaza more swiftly. meanwhile, the foreign secretary has used the foreign secretary has used the occasion to stress the uk's support for israel is not unconditional . writing in the unconditional. writing in the sunday times, lord cameron said there's no doubt where the blame lies over the death of three british aid workers . and he british aid workers. and he added this must never happen again. john chapman, james

henderson and james kirby died in airstrikes carried out by the idf on an aid convoy on the 1st of april. former chair of the defence select committee , tobias defence select committee, tobias ellwood told gb news the uk will be obliged to stop arms sales if israel has broken international law . law. >> i absolutely support israel's right to prosecute and to go after hamas after what they did. but i also disagree vie with israel's military response, which seems to be without clarity of what its strategy is. what's the governance structure that it's working towards? what is going to be the post security environment that building? environment that it's building? what in what we're seeing is actually in the information , we're seeing the information, we're seeing this, conflict spread beyond the middle east because of what's going on, because what israel is doing that is why david cameron is saying needs be is saying there needs to be conditions on what's going on. >> the deputy prime minister has denied claims that the uk is failing to prepare for war. oliver dowden is defending the government after outgoing armed forces ministerjames heappey

forces minister james heappey told the telegraph only ministry of defence officials attended a war time preparation exercise which was meant for the whole of government. former defence secretary ben wallace has backed him up, saying too many in government are, quote, just hoping everything will go away . hoping everything will go away. but oliver dowden told gb news they are putting in the work . they are putting in the work. >> i don't know the specific incident that james was referring to. it is the case that we carry out wide scale, exercising programmes across government. indeed, i did one recently for a national power outage involving several thousand different people across government . now, of course, government. now, of course, there is more work that we need to do across different areas, but we have stepped up considerably. our effort . considerably. our effort. >> police have named a man they're searching for after a woman was stabbed to death in broad daylight in bradford city centre. west yorkshire police detectives have said they want to trace 25 year old habiba masum, who is from the oldham area. they were called to the

city centre yesterday afternoon following reports of an attack by a who fled the scene . the by a man who fled the scene. the woman was taken to hospital where died . a man in his 20s where she died. a man in his 20s has been arrested on suspicion of murder following the discovery of a torso at a nature reserve in salford . greater reserve in salford. greater manchester police launched a murder investigation after the body part was found wrapped in plastic at kersal wetlands . the plastic at kersal wetlands. the victim is believed to have been older than 40. chief superintendent tony crawley says the suspect, who is from the local area, will be questioned today. local area, will be questioned today . and almost 5 million today. and almost 5 million people have reported dental problems to the nhs111 people have reported dental problems to the nhs 111 helpline problems to the nhs111 helpline over the last five years. government data analysed by the labour party revealed almost a million people were referred for treatment in the last year alone . shadow health secretary wes streeting said calls a skyrocketing with people having to turn to private dentists or carry out their own treatment.

health minister dame andrea leadsom said the government's dentistry recovery plan will make services faster. however, dentist doctor sam jethwa told us the situation is in fact getting worse . getting worse. >> there are lots of dentists who are burning out who aren't able to stay in the profession because they're having to see 30, 50 patients a day to diagnose, treat, get them out of pain, all this sort of thing on a routine basis every single day . that can't sustainable for . that can't be sustainable for anyone. then we have an anyone. and then we have an issue of the lack of new dentists coming in and the time frame being such a long time frame being such a long time frame from getting someone qualified . and so it's, it's qualified. and so it's, it's becoming issue . becoming more of an issue. >> for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts. just scan the qr code on your screen right now or go to gb news .com/ alerts. now let's get back to . nana. back to. nana. >> thank you tatiana. good

afternoon. it'sjust >> thank you tatiana. good afternoon. it's just gone six minutes after 4:00. i'm nana akua. minutes after 4:00. i'm nana akua . this is gb news. we're akua. this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'll be honest, i kind of like angela rayner. she's one of the main things that gives the labour party any life at all. in my view, she's vivacious , she's witty, she's vivacious, she's witty, she's real. i don't know her personally , obviously, but we personally, obviously, but we actually need people like that in politics. it makes things a bit more interesting. i'm not suggesting for a minute that i agree with her, by the way, but it's it is possible to like a person but deeply disagree with them at the same time. neither am i suggesting that her rant calling tories homophobic. was it misogynistic ? banana republic it misogynistic? banana republic racist etonian vile scum? was acceptable in any way under scottish laws? she'd be in a whole heap of trouble for that. in fact, i'm not quite sure how she got away with it here. many of her party's policies are , in of her party's policies are, in my unworkable, like the 28 my view, unworkable, like the 28 billion green energy pledge, which resulted in a massive

u—turn. their rush to net zero is a real turn off, as is their raid on education, robbing peter to pay paul, naive and bordering on ridiculous policies which i can't see working but what if sir john curtice is correct that a labour win is a 99% inevitability, and he should know he's pretty much always right there. wouldn't you rather a labour party with with her? wouldn't you rather have angela there ? she's the boris johnson there? she's the boris johnson of the party. and you saw what happened to him. she comes across as a feisty, strong woman who knows what she wants. very admirable qualities. but an investigation in the mail on sunday this morning has apparently, in their words, blown apart claims that she, angela, spent the first five years of her marriage at her principal property in her house in stockport on vicarage road , in stockport on vicarage road, where she claimed to have lived separately from her husband . the separately from her husband. the arrangement meant that she didn't have to pay capital gains

tax when she sold it eight years later, making a profit of £48,500. she also faces being called a hypocrite because she's criticised help to buy, which was a flagship tory scheme which she accused of fuelling the housing crisis whilst taking advantage of it herself. according to the mail on sunday correspondence on social media posts from around that time seem to indicate that angela may have in fact lived at her husband's home in lundy's lane , even home in lundy's lane, even registering her children there in 2010. if that is the case, then calls for the police to investigate would grow louder. angela has insisted that she's done nothing wrong and that i brought my council house in two thousand and seven. i owned my own home, lived there, paid bills there, and was registered there to vote prior to selling there to vote prior to selling the house in 2015, all before i was an mp. well, angela clearly

has questions to answer. if sadly it is proven that there are untruths and then angela should do the right thing. the question is, would a labour party be better off with or without her? i say keep her in place. she's probably more of a liability . so before we get liability. so before we get stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour. i'm asking our calls to end arms sales to israel. merely virtue signalling. deputy prime minister oliver dowden has criticised people who he says relish in pushing the case for a weapons sale ban to israel. this comes as calls for the uk to end arms sales to israel increase at 450. its worldview two will be getting the latest from trump's on trump's presidential campaign fundraising efforts with paul duddridge, actually duddridge, who will actually be live in this studio for the first time. then at five, it's my outside guest. i'll be joined by a former category a, which means very bad prisoner and east

end mobster whose life story is being turned into a major hollywood film. can you guess who he might be that's coming up in the next hour? tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. at discussing. email gb views at gbnews.com tweet me at . gb gbnews.com or tweet me at. gb news. all right. so let's get started. let's welcome again to my panel, political commentator andy macdonald. and also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. danny kelly right. i'm going to start with andy mcdonald because he's a labour man i am i'm a member of the party. you're a member of the party. you're a member of the party. angela rayner, angela raynen party. angela rayner, angela rayner, what are your thoughts on ? on this? >> w- e“- e“— on this? >> it's a very bizarre >> i think it's a very bizarre story in all aspects. you know, this mail on sunday investigation, you know, they went through screenshotting pictures very pictures on twitter, some very serious here going on serious journalism here going on at the mail on sunday. big up to them. just don't understand them. i just don't understand why won't just publish the why she won't just publish the guidance exonerate guidance that will exonerate her. the sensible her. that seems the sensible thing you know, at this thing to do. you know, at this point it's really point it's clear it's not really going just the going away. just publish the guidance. pr

guidance. it's a bizarre pr decision from her and the leadership of labour party . bizarre. >> danny kelly, you said in your monologue that you quite like it. i'd like to, until she gave that sort of diatribe against tories and conservatives. >> that was terrible. >> that was terrible. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> so i don't like it because she her true colours. and she showed her true colours. and yes, apologise yes, you can apologise for anything , yes, you can apologise for anything, but yes, you can apologise for anything , but that's she anything, but that's how she feels. that's she >> that's that's how she believes. conservative people are. she thinks that they're scum. and so i don't like her on that basis. used to like her. that basis. i used to like her. and difference between that basis. i used to like her. anyuntruth difference between that basis. i used to like her. anyuntruth and ifference between that basis. i used to like her. anyuntruth and aerence between that basis. i used to like her. anyuntruth and a lie, ice between that basis. i used to like her. anyuntruth and a lie, okay?ween that basis. i used to like her. anyuntruth and a lie, okay? anen an untruth and a lie, okay? an untruth could be inadvertently something true. it something that is not true. it doesn't a deliberate doesn't mean it's a deliberate attempt . so, like attempt to deceive. so, like andy, as why attempt to deceive. so, like and won't as why attempt to deceive. so, like and won't release as why attempt to deceive. so, like and won't release these why she won't release these documents that could exonerate her. and because she's not releasing these documents that could exonerate her, it leads people to believe she's hiding something, and she's becoming a liability to the labour party. and if it's proven, i don't think it's a police matter. i think, i think, think, think, i think, i don't think, yes, it's a crime, but i think it would be it would be investigated the taxman

investigated by the taxman rather bill turning rather than the old bill turning up morning up mob handed. one morning i think she's a liability. and when she went to town on boris johnson, all you ever heard her say a liar. he's a say was he's a liar. he's a liar. a liar, he's a liar. liar. he's a liar, he's a liar. and i'm going to get biblical on liar. he's a liar, he's a liar. and let going to get biblical on liar. he's a liar, he's a liar. and let he ng to get biblical on liar. he's a liar, he's a liar. and let he who> get biblical on liar. he's a liar, he's a liar. and let he who isiet biblical on liar. he's a liar, he's a liar. and let he who is without:al on liar. he's a liar, he's a liar. and let he who is without sinyn you. let he who is without sin cast the first stone and she's got skeletons in her closet. potentially. lots of supposition. you're right. lots of supposition. with the mail on sunday article, they've screengrab , they've gone back screengrab, they've gone back through social media. it's coming haunt her. coming back to haunt her. potentially. i think she needs to publish. potentially. i think she needs to publistou know, when said >> well, you know, when i said i like i her possibly like her, i like her possibly for all wrong reasons, as in for all the wrong reasons, as in that a complete that she's a complete liability to party. so keep to the party. so if they keep her, then hopefully there won't be around. i'm saying that. no, listen, are this listen, no, my thoughts are this . look, don't actually i'm not . look, i don't actually i'm not politically motivated for either party. their party. it's simply their policies that i'm interested in. so a tory. i'm not so i'm not a tory. i'm not a laboun so i'm not a tory. i'm not a labour. i'm not a centrist . it labour. i'm not a centrist. it just depends whether those just depends on whether those policies i like the policies suit me. and i like the characters that characters who are running that party. this, party. with regard to this, i think it's shaky ground for her because, you said , just because, as you said, just published the guidance so that everyone can just move on from

this. otherwise this becomes like partygate, partygate, and people keep going on about it. and then it could be damaging for the party. but then as i said, know, i don't know said, you know, i don't know whether right left whether i'm right or left wing, but probably nearer but i'm probably nearer the right so leave right than the left. so leave her in. >> well, think it's very >> well, i think it's very difficult starmer to difficult for keir starmer to get because she's get rid of it because she's a democratically deputy democratically elected deputy leader . leader of the labour party. sure, he could her shadow sure, he could take her shadow portfolios her, but portfolios away from her, but he'd a small he'd trigger a small constitutional constitutional he'd trigger a small constiintional constitutional he'd trigger a small constiintiontlabouritutional he'd trigger a small constiintiontlabouritutiorif. he'd trigger a small constiintiontlabouritutiorif he crisis in the labour party if he just gave her the sack. but i think it is really important that do have people like that we do have people like angela at of any angela rayner at the top of any political party. you know, she's worked a real job. you know, she was care worker for years. was a care worker for years. she comes genuinely comes from a genuinely working class really class background. i really do think that we think it's important that we have a people and have a range of people and experiences top of experiences at the top of politics. so, you know, i'd say keep her there because i think she's excellent orator. she she's an excellent orator. she really comes across well she's an excellent orator. she reall'the mes across well she's an excellent orator. she reall'the grassroots. well she's an excellent orator. she reall'the grassroots membership with the grassroots membership of think of the labour party. and i think a kind of relate a lot of people kind of relate to her. >> she's strong. mean, i've >> she's strong. i mean, i've met she's vivacious and met her and she's vivacious and she's and she's full of energy. and for that i like i mean, like to that i like i mean, i like to see politics. i love

see energy in politics. i love that really forgiven that i've not really forgiven her where her for that awful rant where she the homophobic , she did the homophobic, misogynistic banana she did the homophobic, misogynisbut banana she did the homophobic, misogynisbut you banana she did the homophobic, misogynisbut you knowna she did the homophobic, misogynisbut you know ,a she did the homophobic, misogynisbut you know , i republic. but i, you know, i find that really unsavoury that those kind of words came out of her mouth and she felt she could say those well, even i say those as well, even though i think at a labour sort think she was at a labour sort of side gig of yeah, of side gig sort of thing. yeah, but, i think that but, yeah, i don't think that she speaking like she should be speaking like that. it did expose that. and i think it did expose something her character, something about her character, which not like. something about her character, whiyou'll not like. something about her character, whiyou'll findt like. something about her character, whiyou'll find thate. something about her character, whiyou'll find that more >> you'll find that more commonplace on the commonplace with people on the left politics. fact that commonplace with people on the left there itics. fact that commonplace with people on the left there was fact that commonplace with people on the left there was a fact that commonplace with people on the left there was a theret that commonplace with people on the left there was a there was|t they there was a there was a great feature on gb news over the dated great feature on gb news over titory dated great feature on gb news over titory or dated great feature on gb news over titory or would dated great feature on gb news over titory or would it? dated great feature on gb news over titory or would it? it ated a tory or would you kiss it? it was stuff and you was fabulous stuff and you wouldn't someone from the wouldn't find someone from the right politics saying, right of politics saying, i would socialist or would never date a socialist or a liberal or a labour voter really? well i haven't seen t shirts like that about that. well, anyway. but my point , i well, anyway. but my point, i mean, who okay, but my mean, who knows? okay, but my point, speaking , mean, who knows? okay, but my point, speaking, is point, generally speaking, is that you're more likely to see this intransigence this ideological intransigence and dislike of one group of people their people because of their politics. and it's always on that side. that's in my experience. you don't really get it on this side in my experience. and her true colours came out that's i can't

came out and that's why i can't like liked her up until like her. i liked her up until that she's she's a that point. she's she's she's a strong woman with a strong mancunian woman with a cracking, cracking sense of humour . humour. >> you should have seen anneliese will geddes eyes light up then. >> oh my god, this is going to be a great clip. >> are you going to say and she opened her mouth and then i stopped liking her. >> that is a shame because she has all and i and i agree, it's great to see woman who's in a great to see a woman who's in a powerful know, powerful position, you know, speaking does. speaking the way she does. but those words that uttered on those words that she uttered on that, that does just that, that thing that does just still irk me. i was disappointed, to say the least. even though i don't agree with any of her at all. any of her politics at all. >> mean, you know, >> yeah. i mean, you know, politicians questionable politicians make questionable and comments the time, and silly comments all the time, but boris well, boris johnson has anti—muslim has made some very anti—muslim comments in his past. you know, they have made very, very nasty comments. >> no, no , that's not fair >> no, no, that's not fair because it's no, no, because it's true. no, no, because it's true. no, no, because investigated because his party investigated and that he it wasn't and found that he it wasn't which time there were which time because there were quite a few comments. >> one you >> well, which one are you alluding? one. alluding? the letterbox. one. there the letterbox and there was the letterbox one and there his column in

there was one in his column in there was one in his column in the a few years ago. the spectator a few years ago. >> well, you're talking about >> well, so you're talking about when the party or when he's in the tory party or when he's in the tory party or when member tory party >> yeah. >> em- 5 he actually a >> yeah. >> he actually a working >> but was he actually a working member he party. i think he >> i think he party. i think he was a member of parliament at the time. >> spectator. believe was >> spectator. i believe he was a member well, member of parliament. well, i don't about that, but i can don't know about that, but i can say that there an say that there was an investigation letterbox investigation into the letterbox comment and they did find that, that he was not being islamophobic. saying it's >> so that's i'm saying it's just not a very nice thing to say about. >> no, not a nice thing to say. some elllama- say. some thing. but remember >> some nice thing. but remember as was as well, the article was actually was actually actually about it was actually it positive but the it was a positive spin. but the way expressed wasn't good way he expressed it wasn't good with comments. with angela rayner's comments. >> they weren't racist. they weren't. one weren't. they were about one political group. >> were all of they >> they were all of them. they were the that were all all the comment that she cannot she made was vile. you cannot defend she made was vile. you cannot defen wasn't wasn't a great >> it wasn't it wasn't a great pile. say vile. pile. i wouldn't say vile. i just say it wasn't a great comment. >> i don't think being >> i don't think that being called estonian, misogynistic, >> i don't think that being called estoni etonian,;ynistic, >> i don't think that being called estoni etonian, banana homophobic, etonian, banana republics, mean, republics, i think if i mean, you johnson you you know, boris johnson is, you know, old etonian, he does know, an old etonian, he does live republic. know, an old etonian, he does liveand republic. know, an old etonian, he does liveand say ublic. know, an old etonian, he does liveand say on ic. know, an old etonian, he does liveand say on some >> and i would say on some things is quite racist. well, things he is quite racist. well, i say, i'd if i would say, yeah, i'd say if it's about boris johnson or someone. yes. someone. who is that? yes. >> republic . you think >> banana republic. you think it's comment they are

it's a fair comment if they are that. and don't think that. yes. and you don't think that. yes. and you don't think that not obviously not that. yes. and you don't think tha tories not obviously not that. yes. and you don't think tha tories of not obviously not that. yes. and you don't think tha tories of that,)bviously not that. yes. and you don't think tha tories of that, but. usly not all tories of that, but. >> i think it a >> well, i think it was a specific tory that she was talking about tories. >> said of >> sure. tories, she said all of them. she said tories. sure. so what to that , i what you're saying to that, i don't know, i think it was addressed to a specific person about a specific. >> no, it was about the tories, she said. >> she e she tories are >> tories, she said tories are anyway anyway, the anyway anyway. anyway, the comment in my comment was unacceptable in my view, put a lot view, and that does put a lot of people but do you people off. but what do you think? gb at think? at home? gb views at gb news. your news. com we'd love to hear your thoughts. touch. i'm nana thoughts. get in touch. i'm nana akua. coming up akua. this is live coming up worldview. be discussing worldview. i'll be discussing trump's campaign trump's presidential campaign and all the fundraising efforts with next, with paul duddridge next, though, for the great though, it's time for the great british this hour, british debate this hour, and i'm calls arms i'm asking our calls to end arms sales israel . merely virtue sales to israel. merely virtue signalling. send me your thoughts. gbnews.com or thoughts. gb views gbnews.com or tweet .

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akua if you just tuned in. welcome on board. this is gb news. we're live on tv , online news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. now, before the break, we were discussing angela rayner's tax affairs. let's have a look at what you've been saying. marjorie she shouldn't be. marjorie says she shouldn't be. she investigated asap. she should be investigated asap. if she's found to have operated legally, then the media will stop. ian says she is an embarrassment to us. get rid of her. philip says if a tory had done what rayner did, then there would be all hell to pay. but according to lammy, when you're in opposition, the rules are different . yeah, it's different. yeah, it's interesting, isn't it, it interesting, isn't it, that it does that way, that the does seem that way, that the other side get away with a lot more. then if the is more. but then if the guy is right, they'll in power. so i right, they'll be in power. so i don't they'll get easy right, they'll be in power. so i don'tbut they'll get easy right, they'll be in power. so i don'tbut it's1ey'll get easy right, they'll be in power. so i don'tbut it's time get easy right, they'll be in power. so i don'tbut it's time now easy right, they'll be in power. so i don'tbut it's time now foreasy right, they'll be in power. so i don'tbut it's time now for the' ride. but it's time now for the great british debate this hour, and our calls to end and i'm asking our calls to end arms to israel. merely arms sales to israel. merely virtue deputy prime virtue signalling. deputy prime minister oliver dowden has said that would stop sales to that the uk would stop sales to israel if they are found to breach international law , and breach international law, and this comes after he criticised those who relish in pushing the

case for a weapons sale ban. the deaths of three british veterans in an idf airstrike an aid in an idf airstrike on an aid convoy in gaza have increased calls for to stop calls for the uk to stop supplying arms to israel. so for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour, i'm asking calls to hour, i'm asking our calls to end arms to israel merely end arms sales to israel merely simply signals . so simply virtue signals. so joining me to discuss is the climate director of the climate media coalition, donal mccarthy, deputy leader of reform uk, ben habib and defence analyst, former british army officer, lieutenant colonel stuart crawford, lieutenant colonel stuart crawford. what are your thoughts on this is talk to me about the arms sales as well. i mean , we don't sell very much. mean, we don't sell very much. i thought at the top of the league was qatar anyway. but how does it work , good afternoon. nana it work, good afternoon. nana and other members of the panel, you're actually right. it is really very much virtue signalling. certainly in terms of uk arms sales to israel, because i think the statistic is that we supply something like

0.1% of their total arms imports, and none of those are complete weapon system, because israel is pretty well found from elsewhere for the major arms suppuer elsewhere for the major arms supplier supplier to israel is the usa, followed by germany. believe it or not. and in many ways for the uk, a more effective sanction would be for us to stop buying weapons from israel because a number of our critical systems rely on israeli developed technology . and i'll developed technology. and i'll name three, the first is our ground based air defence system, a sky sabre, which is developed from the israeli iron dome air defence system, which protects israel from weapons attacks , israel from weapons attacks, from missile attacks, the second is the watchkeeper drone, which we have 54, which have been developed from the israeli, hermes drone , a reconnaissance hermes drone, a reconnaissance drone, but which can be armed . drone, but which can be armed.

and, the third, of course, it just escaped my mind at the moment . but we are much more, in moment. but we are much more, in many ways more reliant on israel for arms imports than we are for exports . exports. >> so we basically be doing ourselves slightly more damage because right now, i think, don't we need all the help and suppues don't we need all the help and supplies that we can get, especially with the state of our own army ? own army? >> yeah, that's absolutely right. and, know, the army right. and, you know, the army is in dire need of re—equipping, in fact, all three services are in fact, all three services are in dire need of re—equipping and part and parcel of that re—equipping is will be, the re—equipping is and will be, the some some imports from israel, defence industry primarily elbit which is the big one. the third one i was thinking of is the active protective system, which will be fitted to our challenger three tanks. which is also a development of an israeli system. so you know, we're cutting our nose off to spite our face. >> i think a lot of people don't realise that. i mean , you heard realise that. i mean, you heard that a lot of people probably

don't realise that if we were to try and say we're withdrawing from buying arms from israel, the very tiny, tiny portion that we actually we could find we do, actually we could find ourselves in more trouble. >> well, actually, i think the stuart, as i made an important point britain actually point that britain actually imports £3 billion worth of goods from israel every year. and to actually be serious about actually signalling our displeasure about the attack on the civilian population of gaza, we should actually be imposing sanctions on on israel, just like we impose sanctions on south africa and we've imposed on russia. it's, to my mind , on russia. it's, to my mind, it's untenable that we should be arming regime that arming a terrorist regime that is killing british aid workers. >> ben habib, you're laughing . i >> ben habib, you're laughing. i object to you calling them a terrorist regime. by the way. ben well, i mean , israel ben habib well, i mean, israel is only democratically is the only democratically settled in the middle east. >> and if we were to follow through with this virtue signalling from david cameron and somehow convinced and actually somehow convinced the us well to stop, arming the us as well to stop, arming israel, what you would see is the end of israel . you would see

the end of israel. you would see the end of israel. you would see the river to the sea coming through, and it would be an utter disaster. israel needs to be militarily strong. i think it's i think it's terrific that we import arms from israel. of course, israel is in virtual perpetual combat because of the hostile region in which it exists. and it has a lot. i'm sure it could teach the british armed forces. so, i mean, israel is a is a british ally, and we have to get that straight. hamas is not a british ally. we need to understand who our friends are in this world. israel is one of them. >> stuart , stuart, i want to ask >> stuart, stuart, i want to ask you about, the fact that when i was looking at the people that we licensed our sale to weapons to qatar was at the top, and there were other states that really probably wouldn't have been, wouldn't be friendly been, wouldn't be that friendly towards us, wouldn't it? better if we really wanted to do that? wouldn't be better off trying wouldn't we be better off trying to to hamas to get people to stop hamas rather than to stop rather than trying to stop israel ? israel? >> well, i think, i mean, as ,

>> well, i think, i mean, as, has just been stated, israel is an ally of the united kingdom and hamas is an internationally proscribed terrorist organisation . and therefore i organisation. and therefore i think that it is beholden on us to support israel in its current, operations to rid itself of that terrorist threat which manifested itself. so awfully on october the 7th. that said, i don't think we can just stand by and allow israel free hand when it comes to, the damage that is and destruction that's causing, to gaza. we have to make sure that that is fair and proportional. and there is and proportional. and there is an argument to be had that that is not the case all the time . is not the case all the time. but in terms of arms exports, israel is really not a big uk customer. and as you said , qatar customer. and as you said, qatar and other countries are. and therefore we need to sort of also take that into account when we're passing judgement on what david cameron or lord cameron

has been saying recently because it does seem that that is just slightly being ignored , you slightly being ignored, you heard what he said. i mean, seriously , i know we need to seriously, i know we need to take into account the damage that's being caused by israel, but surely we can also not ignore that the reason why the damage is so bad in gaza is that they don't an iron dome, they don't have an iron dome, but continue to fire but yet they continue to fire the rockets. >> is, is the rockets. >> well, the fact is, is that the people have the the palestinian people have the right . when are right for self—defence. when are we going to actually assert that on the international stage? >> so hold on, because they are an colonial, they're an occupied colonial, they're occupied power. occupied by colonial power. >> been for 70 years. >> they have been for 70 years. so there's been 70 years of terrorism aimed at the palestinian people . and so why palestinian people. and so why should we be surprised, some should we be surprised, as some of resort to terrorism in of them resort to terrorism in response to occupation? response to that occupation? >> think that october the >> so you think that october the 7th an okay. 7th was an okay. >> it was a terrorist attack? >> also acknowledged it. absolutely. from from terrorists, hamas. >> but we have to recognise that you will have a military response if you invade a country, if britain was invaded by the germans, we would expect

us to defend ourselves . us to defend ourselves. >> britain had a had a situation with a hamas style massacre , and with a hamas style massacre, and we were able to get to the people were people who were maybe in a neighbouring country. we would go those people go to try and get those people from would you from that country, would you expect us to sit by and do nothing? >> when britain had a hamas type situation, in situation, if we had it in northern ireland? and what happened had happened in the end? we had a political we all political solution where we all got table . and so how got around the table. and so how are we going to solve that? so, so the key issue here, how do we establish peace? how we establish peace? how do we establish peace? how do we establish peace? how do we establish peace in the in the middle east? >> most though haven't you. >> how do we establish peace in israel palestine. >> is the question love. >> we won't do it if we if we if we constantly say the palestinians self—defence. >> said nobody said >> nobody said that. nobody said they've right they've got no right to self—defence. my view, they've got no right to self—dthey:e. my view, they've got no right to self—dthey are my view, they've got no right to self—dthey are defendingy view, themselves. >> ben habib the british government in to irish government gave in to irish terrorism in 1998. when we signed that good friday agreement, we had the ira on the ropes. we should have taken the ira , and the result of the ira out, and the result of the good friday agreement is now a border down the irish sea. that is the direction of travel that

we've that this country has gone in because we gave in to terrorism. for goodness sake, we must call terrorism out wherever it is. and qatar, i'm so glad we're talking about qatar because it's gone under the radar. they were sanctioned themselves by their fellow gulf countries. 2017 to 2021 for terrorist connections. they have the hamas leadership sitting in qatar. we're selling arms to qatar. we're selling arms to qatar. if david cameron really wants to do something about ending the conflict in gaza, we should be sanctioning qatar and requiring qatar to mend its ways and do away with its alliance with iran . with iran. >> well, listen, we've got to round it up there, ben. thank you very much, deputy leader for reform mccarthy, you very much, deputy leader for reform of mccarthy, you very much, deputy leader for reform of climate'iccarthy, you very much, deputy leader for reform of climate media y, director of climate media coalition . and also lieutenant coalition. and also lieutenant colonel crawford, coalition. and also lieutenant colonel analyst crawford, coalition. and also lieutenant colonel analyst andyford, coalition. and also lieutenant colonel analyst and former defence analyst and former british army officer. well, this is gb news. we're live on tv, onune is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. coming up, we'll continue the great british this hour. great british debate this hour. i'm calls to ban arms i'm asking our calls to ban arms to sales to israel,

to israel. sales to israel, merely virtue signals. you'll hear thoughts of my panel hear the thoughts of my panel political commentator annie macdonald, also broadcaster and journalist kelly. still to journalist danny kelly. still to come, outside guests. talk come, my outside guests. we talk highs , lows, lessons learnt and highs, lows, lessons learnt and what comes next. the outside, what comes next. on the outside, my guest spent nearly my mystery guest spent nearly two bars, two decades behind bars, organised organised crime organised for organised crime and even met the notorious criminal charles bronson . he'll criminal charles bronson. he'll be joining me to discuss his road to redemption. you won't want miss stay tuned. want to miss that. stay tuned. but latest but first, let's get your latest news headlines. >> nana. thank you. the top stories this hour. israel's military has reportedly withdrawn all of its troops except for one brigade from southern gaza. it comes as today marks six months since the hamas terror attack on the october 7th. marking the occasion, the prime minister said the uk is shocked by the bloodshed and called for an immediate humanitarian pause in fighting . humanitarian pause in fighting. he also urged hamas to release its hostages and implored gaza

to get aid, implored israel to get aid into gaza more swiftly . get aid into gaza more swiftly. meanwhile, the foreign secretary has used the occasion to stress that the uk's support for israel is not unconditional. writing in the sunday times, lord cameron said there's no doubt where the blame lies over the death of three british aid workers. and he added this must never happen again. john chapman, james henderson and james kirby died in airstrikes carried out by the idf on an aid convoy on the 1st of april. the deputy prime minister has denied claims that the uk is failing to prepare for war. oliver dowden is defending the government after outgoing armed forces minister james heappey told the telegraph obe ministry of defence officials attended a war time preparation exercise which was meant for the whole of government. former defence secretary ben wallace has backed him up, saying too many in government are, quote, just hoping everything will go away . police have named a

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com welcome back. this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. nana akua . and digital radio. nana akua. and it's digital radio. nana akua. and wsfime digital radio. nana akua. and it's time for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking our calls to end arms sales to israel. merely virtue signalling . deputy prime minister oliver dowden that the uk dowden has said that the uk would stop selling arms to israel if they were found to breach international law. now this comes after boris johnson branded the end of weapons sales to israel as insane calls to stop supplying arms to israel have increased following the death of three british aid workers in gaza. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking our calls to end arms sales to israel. merely virtue signalling. well, joining to signalling. well, joining me to discuss political commentator andy mcdonald, house of broadcaster journalist danny broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. danny kelly, i'll

kelly. right. danny kelly, i'll start with you, danny boy . start with you, danny boy. >> okay. the question is, is it virtue signalling ? is it virtue virtue signalling? is it virtue signalling? i think it's dangerous to even contemplate , dangerous to even contemplate, having an arms sale embargo until we know whether they're breaking international law . breaking international law. everything. this stems from the tragedy when seven people, seven aid workers were killed. and so , aid workers were killed. and so, so. so it's become more voluble since then. but the thing is, that's blue on blue. you know, the fog war history is the fog of war history is littered with with friendly fire incidents. you only need to go back to the iraq war and the afghanistan disasters , which, afghanistan disasters, which, which, which have happened. and the americans are responsible for killing, i'm going to say dozens of our soldiers through through accident. >> it was accidents through accidents. >> now, the israeli government, the idf, have dismissed the people who were in charge of that disastrous mission . they've that disastrous mission. they've dismissed them. they've apologised wholeheartedly. it wasn't deliberate. so i think that it's misguided to talk about an arms embargo based on

that incident , because the that incident, because the conversation has started since that incident. >> i think it's probably a combination of things, a sort of a culmination of things that finally we get there. andy. >> yeah, it's we you >> i mean, yeah, it's we you know, our support for israel shouldn't be, you know, just unconditional . if they have unconditional. if they have broken international law, you know, be to be know, we cannot be seen to be providing clear support to the idf. about if we do idf. well, what about if we do that then we're appearing to support respects , support hamas in some respects, not really. >> well, if you look the fact >> well, if you look at the fact that supplying a lot of that we are supplying a lot of arms qatar who are harbouring arms to qatar who are harbouring hamas, if we are going to be hamas, so if we are going to be that virtue signalling or that virtuous , then surely we should virtuous, then surely we should be looking and saying, be looking at qatar and saying, well, going to supply well, we're not going to supply youwell we well, no qatar, >> well we don't well, no qatar, we can sell guns to qatar. that goes to the qatari army. they don't to. don't go to. >> yeah, but they are openly backing clearly because are backing clearly because they are harbouring hamas in their ranks. so are so by doing that, we are ultimately helping to support and continue the war. if we this is about this is about virtue. >> someone is saying that it's a bit misleading though. you know,

the qatari national army are not hamas. no, no, no, i'm saying >> no, no, no, i'm not saying that. i'm saying that. i'm that. i'm not saying that. i'm saying there's point saying that there's no point in being if are you being virtuous if you are if you are still people like are still supplying people like qatar, whilst qatar are harbouring . that's what harbouring hamas. that's what i'm saying. if you're going to be virtuous, then surely your virtues would stretch to that. >> yeah, i agree, you you >> yeah, i agree, you know, you know, entire is virtue know, the entire thing is virtue signallingthink, less than 1% of supply, i think, less than 1% of israel's so yeah, israel's national arms. so yeah, it is a bit they won't really be that affected by it. but i think it is important that if they have broken international law by killing workers, three killing seven aid workers, three of veterans, you of them british veterans, you know, them was he in know, one of them was he was in the you know, the sbs, wasn't he? you know, a very know, he's contributed very you know, he's contributed a his our, you a lot of his life to our, you know, our making sure know, our safety, making sure that we're okay. you know, the idf did up. was i don't idf did mess up. it was i don't think they intended to know if they had broken into international law , then we can't international law, then we can't be seen to support them. >> but this not an unusual >> but this is not an unusual thing that that happens. thing in war that that happens. aid die. it's aid workers do die. it's very sad. heart goes out to sad. and my heart goes out to that family. that does that family. but that does happen. in that happen. and those in that particular would have particular convoy would have known that that was a possibility. the idf have

apologised and sacked two people, doesn't people, which doesn't bring these it was these people back, but it was clearly unintentional. and that is the point here. but i just think it's a bit bit virtuous of people to say, oh, we should stop doing this or that or the other, when actually doing other, when actually by doing that and that you are opening and potentially exposing israel to people not subscribe people who do not subscribe to international law. that's why. >> also, i'm not for how >> and also, i'm not one for how we're perceived the world we're perceived on the world stage. i'm not one for that. but but is also it will have but there is also it will have a factor on how other countries perceive us. they trust us perceive us. can they trust us to supply arms? and it's an awful to say arms , awful thing to say because arms, military ordnance, it kills people an awful thing people and it's an awful thing to worry about whether we can supply materiel to kill people. but nevertheless, that's the situation that we're in. so by us, by us having temporary or us, by us having a temporary or a permanent embargo, how does that then make other countries feel about us as a reliable source of munitions ? and again, source of munitions? and again, it makes me uncomfortable to even contemplate that sentence because i know that munitions kill people, but nevertheless. yeah, okay. >> well, listen, this show is

nothing without you and your views. welcome our great views. let's welcome our great british voice on to the show their opportunity to on and their opportunity to be on and tell they think about tell us what they think about the we're discussing. the topics we're discussing. where the topics we're discussing. wh go to? kidderminster. we go to? kidderminster. >> carpets? >> the home of carpets? >> the home of carpets? >> . >> yes. >> yes. >> kidderminster carpets. let's go reid. john reid, what go to john reid. john reid, what do you think? what's your take on this ? on this? >> my take nana is simple. this is surely just merely virtue signalling. we should not be supplying the israelis with arms. now, i'm with you. >> absolutely. and i'm afraid i don't agree with danny. and the other guy. i think we should take a stand on it. >> never mind about who's being killed. >> the reality of this is people are being killed. >> children are being killed. >> children are being killed. >> place is decimated . >> the place is being decimated. and it looks to me as an absolute outsider, i'm just a member of the public. >> i really know exactly >> i don't really know exactly what's on, but it looks to what's going on, but it looks to me as if the israelis are being treated the way hitler treated them in war. and that wasn't them in the war. and that wasn't right either. no. >> they should. right either. no. >> that's hould.

right either. no. >> that's ayuld. right either. no. >> that's a biti. right either. no. >> that's a bit of a stretch, do you think? i mean, do you think they're trying to find a route out? hamas is what they're trying find . trying to find. >> they're trying to get rid of hamas, they? hamas, aren't they? >> yeah. hamas, aren't they? >> well yeah. hamas, aren't they? >> well ,/eah. hamas, aren't they? >> well , how do that? >> well, how do they do that? i mean, i pretend to know mean, i don't pretend to know i'm not an expert on this, but my opinion is they should they've done enough, they should stop should stop stop fighting and we should stop supplying them. well, listen very well. >> if hamas would perhaps stop firing the rockets and give out the hostages, i think it could all end. but hamas won't do that. reid, thank you very that. john reid, thank you very much. good to talk much. really good to talk to you. our british you. use our great british voice. you're with me. voice. right you're with me. i'm nana is news nana akua. this is gb news coming the great british coming up. the great british debate hour. should debate this hour. should the courts lenient with courts be more lenient with those from deprived backgrounds? that is, in next hour. those from deprived backgrounds? that is, in next hour . but that is, in the next hour. but next worldview. we'll be speaking to paul duddridge, the host people host of the politics people podcast. he's here in the studio. we'll get

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about trump, have now started rejoining the fundraising. so he's now being brought back in and treated as if he is, quite rightly, the proper candidate. so that's very interesting. double the amount that biden got with two former presidents with him. trump on his own with melania. so again, all this gossip that melania is not going to join him. melania is now back on the, she's fabulous. >> she's fabulous. she if you're watching on tv, you can see. but on radio there is a trump and melania there. she looks incredible in that outfit. and she always looks good, didn't she? >> she always looks good. she was a great first lady and is still the first lady. as far as i'm concerned. but but these scurrilous the last scurrilous rumours for the last yean scurrilous rumours for the last year, it's like she was going to abandon him and she wasn't going to be trail with of to be on the trail with him. of course supporting course she's supporting him, she's and she's fully supporting him. and like they record like i said, they had a record breaking $50 million fundraising night, so that's looking very, very positive for him. he's got, have you met him? >> have you met donald trump?

>> have you met donald trump? >> no, no, no, i am it's going to happen. it is going to happen. i have to i've been plugging away to an plugging away to get an interview him, i interview with him, because i still don't think he's been interviewed completely correctly. you don't think? >> he's great, >> oh, i think he's great, though, in interviews. and he's he's control it he's totally in control of it all. fool, is he? all. he's no fool, is he? >> he's no fool. no. i just want him a historical him treated like a historical figure. most. i figure. i think he's the most. i think greatest think he is the greatest president american history . president in american history. but he gets the but i don't think he gets the credit defined the credit for having defined the political landscape. >> do now , he's >> i think he will do now, he's kind of a little bit like nigel farage in some respects, where people don't acknowledge, like i often yeah, often hear people say, yeah, yeah, never been yeah, but you've never been voted mp. i'm like, voted an mp. and i'm like, you've more, not been voted you've done more, not been voted as an mp than any mp has ever done. extraordinary. so the fact that you're able to, you know, manoeuvre the manoeuvre and change the landscape actually being landscape without actually being an exactly. goes show an mp. exactly. goes to show just powerful nigel farage just how powerful nigel farage has what about dwayne has become. what about dwayne the johnson what's the rock johnson though? what's going on there? >> dwayne the johnson, >> so dwayne the rock johnson, this i come from the land of this is i come from the land of celebrities, obviously. and dwayne the rock johnson, his endorsement of biden a few years

ago was significant. yes. now he says regrets his endorsement says he regrets his endorsement of biden. he won't. now, the thing is, he won't come out and endorse trump. but if he's not endorsing biden, he's endorsing trump. let's face it. so they put lot of store by celebrity put a lot of store by celebrity endorsements. he could have just kept his mouth shut, but he's actually gone on front foot actually gone on the front foot and regret he's torn up and said, i regret he's torn up about his endorsement of biden . about his endorsement of biden. >> if you're watching on tv, thatis >> if you're watching on tv, that is him there on radio. we've got pictures of dwayne the rock the hard guy rock johnson now, the hard guy of a movie and now of many a movie and now regretting, you know, there's probably on social probably some stuff on social media some clips where he media or some clips where he said, biden, you know, vote for him, why he's concerned him, which is why he's concerned that going to come out that it's going to come out at any point. keep talking any point. people keep talking about as about joe biden in israel as though he's actually making decisions. fool to look though he's actually making dethat. s. fool to look though he's actually making dethat. he's fool to look though he's actually making dethat. he's not fool to look though he's actually making dethat. he's not making» look though he's actually making dethat. he's not making any k at that. he's not making any decisions at all. don't even decisions at all. i don't even think knows is. think he knows what day it is. >> making decisions >> he's not making any decisions at gossip the at all. the gossip from the white that he really is white house is that he really is just he's not even just the he's not even a very good front he is just good front man, but he is just the man. and they're just the front man. and they're just trying him going. trying to keep him going. i still don't he's

still believe i don't think he's going be the, candidate going to be the, candidate eventually this november. i do think going to be replaced think he's going to be replaced by late august, but they're cutting it fine , though. cutting it fine, though. >> really? >> really? >> well, they're not in a sense, because what they're doing is to make sure that can't have make sure that they can't have any further voting in the democrat party, that they can actually so late that actually leave it. so late that there is there is the possibility just parachuting possibility of just parachuting in a candidate and having no primary. >> so who are the possible parties instead of still, i've got to say it's still it's gavin newsom, governor of california. >> and even though she denies it, michelle obama is still in the in the frame. >> i think michelle obama is a real threat to trump. i do really think so because she's a powerful black woman. obama was extremely popular with a certain type of people. yeah and, you know, he was a real game changer in america, that he was the first black president. i mean, that's quite an incredible achievement of the united states of obama , trump of america. well, obama, trump voters voted obama previously . voters voted obama previously. >> this is the thing. you know,

obama is a true he's created a new political dynasty. dynasty? in which country ? but yeah, he's in which country? but yeah, he's created a new political dynasty. and so people would just vote for the word obama in the states. she would be a real threat to trump. >> yeah, because people who vote republican just because they like trump sort of thing. like trump make sort of thing. well, , michelle obama well, actually, michelle obama would be. yeah. so think i would be. yeah. so i think i think you're right. i think there's to be a sudden there's going to be a sudden big announcement obama. there's going to be a sudden big ann(then ment obama. there's going to be a sudden big ann(then i|ent obama. there's going to be a sudden big ann(then i think obama. there's going to be a sudden big ann(then i think that obama. there's going to be a sudden big ann(then i think that will obama. and then i think that will change the complete dynamics. so you know, short, what's you know, in short, what's trump's and where do trump's next move and where do you think he's, you know, what's the next thing on the radar for him? well he's got a criminal case. >> he's the first us president, first former he's the us first former i say he's the us president, us president, first former us president, first former us president as president to be involved as a criminal, in a criminal case. and that starts next week in the so—called hush money stormy daniels case in new york. >> oh, that's still rolling around. >> oh, well, that just begins next week. i think the 15th. he's going the i mean it's he's going to be the i mean it's disgraceful what's happened. and again, just be really, really

again, just to be really, really bonng again, just to be really, really boring and be real trainspotter about this what he's been accused of , hillary clinton's accused of, hillary clinton's campaign was accused of the same thing and fine . so was thing and paid a fine. so was obama, they were both obama, but they were both treated this obama, but they were both trebeing this obama, but they were both trebeing treated this obama, but they were both trebeing treated as this obama, but they were both trebeing treated as a this obama, but they were both trebeing treated as a criminal is is being treated as a criminal case, which again case, which is again unprecedented . and lawfare that unprecedented. and lawfare that we talk about every week. it's lawfare . lawfare. >> well, they're trying to make him bankrupt, aren't they, before the actual thing. yes do they any chance of succeeding? >> no. he's just made billion >> no. he's just made $5 billion last by floating . like last week by floating. like i said, he comes up with a twitter rip off and then floats it as a company and gets $5 million from it, $5 billion? 5 billion. so no, they can't touch him now financially . financially. >> can't touch him. listen, >> they can't touch him. listen, paul aid, really paul doddie aid, it's really good in person . that paul doddie aid, it's really chaul in person . that paul doddie aid, it's really chaul duddridge, person . that paul doddie aid, it's really chaul duddridge, hoston . that paul doddie aid, it's really chaul duddridge, hoston the at is paul duddridge, host of the politics he'll is paul duddridge, host of the po|back he'll is paul duddridge, host of the po|back in he'll is paul duddridge, host of the po|back in the he'll is paul duddridge, host of the po|back in the states, he'll is paul duddridge, host of the po|back in the states, buta'll is paul duddridge, host of the po|back in the states, but here be back in the states, but here on gb news next week. but you're with nana this with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb we're tv, gb news. we're live on tv, onune gb news. we're live on tv, online and digital radio. online and on digital radio. still to come outside, we talk highs, learned and highs, lows, lessons learned and what comes next on the outside today, guest spent today, my mystery guest spent five years in solitary confinement and nearly two decades behind bars. and now

he's international peace he's an international peace prize nominee. any guesses ? keep prize nominee. any guesses? keep guessing. gb views gb news. com but first, let's get your latest weather. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar for sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello! here's your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. we hold on to unsettled weather across the uk over the next few days, all of us seeing further rain at times quite blustery winds to storm, starting to move times quite blustery winds to sto the starting to move times quite blustery winds to sto the sea, starting to move times quite blustery winds to sto the sea, now starting to move times quite blustery winds to sto the sea, now away1g to move times quite blustery winds to sto the sea, now away towards ve off the sea, now away towards the north and of scotland. the north and west of scotland. nofice the north and west of scotland. notice pressure gathering notice low pressure gathering once towards the once again towards the south—west that's set south—west of the uk. that's set to more wind and rain as to bring more wind and rain as we into monday. back to we head into monday. back to this , though, the this evening, though, the showers starting showers are starting to ease across wales, at across england and wales, at least time, as least for a time, because as we go the hours of go into the early hours of monday, outbreaks of monday, further outbreaks of rain push the rain start to push in from the south—west, certainly parts south—west, certainly into parts of of the of wales. by the end of the night, north. a very night, west to north. a very blustery picture, certainly through heavy through the evening. some heavy showers time, those showers around for a time, those showers starting to ease into

the hours more in the way the early hours more in the way of developing of clear spells developing across of the uk and across the north of the uk and in spots, it could in some rural spots, it could turn by monday turn quite chilly by monday morning . as monday morning. as for monday itself, with outbreaks are with those outbreaks of rain are out across parts wales will out across parts of wales will also widespread also become more widespread from the england and the south. across england and wales. as go through the day, wales. as we go through the day, some outbreaks rain some of those outbreaks of rain turning heavy some turning quite heavy across some southern areas into the afternoon, further afternoon, whereas further north, northern ireland seeing some sunshine before rain arrives scotland , arrives later. and for scotland, it's a mostly fine day, lighter winds, more the way of winds, more in the way of sunshine sunday. and sunshine than on sunday. and here shouldn't bad sunshine than on sunday. and here those uldn't bad sunshine than on sunday. and here those fairly bad sunshine than on sunday. and here those fairly gentle bad sunshine than on sunday. and here those fairly gentle winds. with those fairly gentle winds. temperatures celsius temperatures of 10 to 12 celsius peaking at 17, though peaking at 16 or 17, though towards the south—east of england. unfortunately, tuesday looks the looks very unsettled across the uk, low pressure dominating the scene. outbreaks of scene. further outbreaks of rain, quite blustery, winds too, particularly wet out towards the north and west of the uk and it stays pretty unsettled the stays pretty unsettled into the week ahead , perhaps a drier week ahead, perhaps a bit drier and warmer to come and a little bit warmer to come thursday. to 19 celsius. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb news.

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i'm nana akua. >> good afternoon. it is 5:00. i'm nana akua . this is a gp news i'm nana akua. this is a gp news for live on tv, online and on digital radio. for the next houn digital radio. for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now . hitting the headlines right now. coming up in outside, we talk highs, learned and highs, lows, lessons learned and what comes next on the outside. and my mystery guest today spent five years in solitary confinement nearly two confinement and nearly two decades behind bars for organised crime and even met the notorious criminal charles bronson, now he's an international peace prize nominee. he'll be joining me to discuss his road to redemption. have you worked out who he is then for the great british debate this hour? i'm asking, should courts be more should the courts be more lenient those from deprived lenient with those from deprived backgrounds and in clip bait, the cop in dubai radio let me stop you right there. >> do you know ? >> do you know? >> do you know? >> do you know? >> do you know what? but first, let's get the latest news headunes let's get the latest news headlines with tatiana sanchez.

>> nana. thank you. the top stories this hour. israel's military has reportedly withdrawn all of its troops except for one brigade from southern gaza. it comes as today marks six months since the hamas terror attack on the 7th of october, marking the occasion the prime minister says the government continues to stand by israel's right to defend its security, and added the uk is shocked by the bloodshed and called for an immediate humanitarian pause in fighting. he also urged hamas to release its hostages and implored israel to get aid into gaza more swiftly. meanwhile, the foreign secretary has used the occasion to stress that the uk's support for israel is not unconditional. writing in the sunday times, lord cameron said there's no doubt where the blame lies over the death of three british aid workers and added this must never happen again. john chapman , james henderson and james kirby died in airstrikes carried out by the idf on an aid convoy

on the 1st of april. former chair of the defence select committee, tobias ellwood told gb news the uk will be obliged to stop arms sales if israel has broken international law. >> i absolutely support israel's right to prosecute and to go after hamas after what they did . after hamas after what they did. but i also disagree with israel's military response , israel's military response, which seems to be without clarity of what its strategy is, what's the governance structure that it's working towards? what is to be the post security is going to be the post security environment building? environment that it's building? what is actually in what we're seeing is actually in information, we're seeing this, conflict spread beyond the middle east because of what's going on, because what israel is doing, that is why david cameron is saying there needs to be conditions on what's going on. >> the deputy prime minister has denied claims that the uk is failing to prepare for war. oliver dowden is defending the government after outgoing armed forces ministerjames heappey forces minister james heappey told the telegraph only ministry of defence officials attended a wartime preparation exercise

which was meant for the whole of government. former defence secretary ben wallace has backed him up, saying too many in government are, quote, just hoping everything will go away . hoping everything will go away. but oliver dowden told gb news they are putting in the work . they are putting in the work. >> i don't know the specific incident that james was referring to. it is the case that we carry out wide scale, exercising programmes across government. indeed, i did one recently for a national power outage involving several thousand different people across government . now, of course, government. now, of course, there is more work that we need to do across different areas, but we have stepped up considerably. our effort . considerably. our effort. >> police have named a man. they're searching for after a woman was stabbed to death in broad daylight in bradford city centre. west yorkshire police detectives say they want to trace 25 year old habiba masoom , trace 25 year old habiba masoom, who is from the oldham area. they were called to the city centre yesterday afternoon following reports an attack

following reports of an attack by who fled the scene. the by a man who fled the scene. the woman was taken to hospital where she later died. a man in his 20s has been arrested on suspicion of murder following the discovery of a torso at a nature reserve in salford, greater manchester police launched a murder investigation after the body part was found wrapped in plastic at kersal wetlands. the victim is believed to have been older than 40. chief superintendent tony crilly says the suspect, who is from the local area, will be questioned later today . almost questioned later today. almost 5 million people have reported dental problems to the nhs 111 dental problems to the nhs111 helpline over the last five years. government data analysed by the labour party revealed almost a million people were referred for treatment in the last year alone. shadow health secretary wes streeting said calls are skyrocketing with people having to turn to private dentists or carry out their own treatment . the health minister, treatment. the health minister, dame andrea leadsom, says the

government's dentistry recovery plan will make services faster. however, dentist doctor sam jethwa told us the situation is getting worse. >> there are lots of dentists who are burning out who aren't able to stay in the profession because they're having to see 30, 50 patients a day to diagnose , treat, get them out of diagnose, treat, get them out of pain, all this sort of thing on a routine basis every single day. that can't be sustainable for anyone. and then we have an issue of the lack of new dentists coming in and the time frame being such a long time frame being such a long time frame from getting someone qualified. so it's becoming more of an issue . of an issue. >> for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen right now. or you can go to gbb news.com slash alerts. now it's back to . nana. now it's back to. nana. >> thank you. tatiana this is gb news. i'm nana akua. and for the

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stephen gillen. >> stephen gillen hi, lana , it's >> stephen gillen hi, lana, it's always a pleasure to be here with you and see you. >> well, it's great to talk to you.so >> well, it's great to talk to you. so we've spoken before, but for those who don't know, give us about for those who don't know, give us like about for those who don't know, give us like you about for those who don't know, give us like you were about for those who don't know, give us like you were born bout for those who don't know, give us like you were born in ut for those who don't know, give us like you were born in this you, like you were born in this country in 1971. we're the same age . age. >> yeah, i was born here in nana, taken to belfast in the middle of the war. over there, six year old, you know, six month year old, you know, kind of left there. of course, it was very bad over there. my, surrogate mother died of cancer over there. sadly, i was the little boy on the on the boat, nine years of age with the case. iback nine years of age with the case. i back to england, went through a succession of quiet little boy on a boat, like one of the people who come from on the channel type thing. >> yeah, no, like , no, no, i >> yeah, no, like, no, no, i really was like that. >> you came in just to a briefcase and a little case of yourself, a little child, you know, full of fear, anxiousness, like a an immigrant, like a like an immigrant, if you want like a like an immigrant, if you warnot that it's a word, >> not that it's a bad word, but, you know, very, very, very alone, and i going

but, you know, very, very, very al> and when you say you were groomed, what kind of things did they sort of try and get you to do to mould you into, into a

criminal, it were? do to mould you into, into a crirwell, it were? do to mould you into, into a crirwell, i it were? do to mould you into, into a crirwell, i wasyvere? do to mould you into, into a crirwell, i was a re? do to mould you into, into a crirwell, i was a crazy kid , >> well, i was a crazy kid, really, you know, we're really, you know, and we're always belong, right? always looking to belong, right? you carried a lot of you know, i had carried a lot of trauma me, so was really trauma with me, so i was really susceptible that. right you susceptible to that. right you know? you want to belong. know? so you want to belong. they the they tell you you're the guy you're like them. you're going to be like them. you going to stand you know, we're going to stand and with you. you know, all and fall with you. you know, all of this kind of stuff, you know , of this kind of stuff, you know, and, you know, a young kid and, you know, for a young kid like, with these role like, you know, with these role models, it's very it's very compelling . but, you know, the compelling. but, you know, the thing about it is that even the people who's a little bit older or a little bit further along, they've the same they've been groomed in the same way, they've been groomed in the same wayso what kind of things did >> so what kind of things did they do, though they get you to do, though presumably of petty presumably some sorts of petty crime. of. crime. what kind of. >> you always >> well, you know, you always start there's lot of start off there's a lot of violence move. things, violence in your move. things, guns, whatever that guns, you know, whatever that would you know, you'd would be. right? you know, you'd look them stuff like look out for them and stuff like that, know, takes you that, you know, that takes you along on things along on, you know, on things and, you know, they send you out to violence and stuff like to do violence and stuff like that. this is to forge you, to test know, in a strange test you, you know, in a strange way see how you are way to see how talented you are as they can just use as well. so they can just use you for other things. right?

>> encounter with >> so your first encounter with prison, when was it and what happened? why were you . happened? why were you. >> it was ten days after my 14th birthday. because i was, you know, already already a real, really involved in crime at that stage. you know, i was so bad. nanait stage. you know, i was so bad. nana it has to be said that they they put off that court appearance until ten days after my 40th birthday so i could be sent to prison, which was detention centre. then, you know, for youngsters what do you think? >> as we're discussing it a little bit later on? i was going to ask you later, but i didn't want to forget. do you think they're right to slightly be more from those from more lenient from those from depnved more lenient from those from deprived who commit more lenient from those from deprive because who commit more lenient from those from deprive because that's who commit more lenient from those from deprive because that's who (they|it more lenient from those from depri saying use that's who (they|it more lenient from those from depri saying lastthat's who (they|it more lenient from those from depri saying last week. nho (they|it more lenient from those from depri saying last week. nho you 3y|it were saying last week. do you think a realistic think that that's a realistic thing ? thing? >> i don't think nana i know our environments, they really trigger us and they really shape us. know , it's like the us. you know, it's like the instruction that we got and the role models we in the role models we have in the information, you know, we're being really need being fed, but you really need opportunity. and understanding is key within that i see so

is the key within that i see so many people that is propelled or pushed or even, you know, fall into a life of crime and bad choices that could have done so much better for society and everyone else. so i do agree with this. absolutely they should. >> but then that, doesn't that penalise people who've come from >> but then that, doesn't that penalbackgroundsho've come from >> but then that, doesn't that penalbackgrounds whoe come from >> but then that, doesn't that penalbackgrounds whoe com commit good backgrounds who then commit crime? surely you'd think, well, it's your first offence, so maybe more maybe we'll be more lenient rather you've done this rather than you've done this repeatedly, thing. you rather than you've done this repeatyit ly, thing. you rather than you've done this repeatyit not thing. you rather than you've done this repeatyit not then thing. you rather than you've done this repeatyit not then almostg. you rather than you've done this repeatyit not then almost be 'ou would it not then almost be given green to some given a green light to some people troubled backgrounds given a green light to some pe0|yourselftroubled backgrounds given a green light to some pe0|yourself ?»ubled backgrounds like yourself? >> yeah, it's a really it's a valid point, what you say, and it's it's bespoke task it's a it's a very bespoke task really, that i would say it's not one size that fits all. when i we should be lenient, i say we should be lenient, lenient for the right reasons, with right people, the with the right people, at the right ways, right time, in the right ways, is key this. but is absolutely key to this. but it saves a lot of money. it saves a lot of trauma , it saves saves a lot of trauma, it saves a lot of victims, and it actually adds to society . so, actually adds to society. so, you know, we have to we have to choose what is what is better. >> did they consider your background when you were given your sentences or was it just,

look, i always say it as it is. >> i think there was a time they said, oh, this is just a young kid , this guy. right. you know, kid, this guy. right. you know, i see through it, all i mean, they see through it, all right. it different in right. but it was different in them they, they, them days. and they, they, they, they up. you they wasn't really set up. you know, not there wasn't know, there's not there wasn't that advanced kind of understanding framework set understanding or framework set up at what comes next. it's all right saying, oh, we're going to give you a chance here. but what comes know, there has comes next? you know, there has to be a frame, a meaningful framework that's going to work right for you. >> so you went in there at 14. how much time did you spend there? to prison ' 7 m. again? >> yeah , i was only in there >> yeah, i was only in there a couple of months then, but i was in and out of borstal, used custody they was called custody as they was called then. and know, i went there and you know, i went there migration, you know, all the way up until i got 18 years. of course, you know , for armed course, you know, for armed robbery as a as a category a inmate, which was where what did you do? >> you said armed robbery. can you be more specific ? can you you be more specific? can you tell more? tell us more? >> yeah, was armed >> well, yeah, it was armed robbery. was after, you know,

robbery. it was after, you know, years a technological war, years of a technological war, you know, with the flying squads. you know, even then, there was a lot of stuff going on. there was of armed on. there was a lot of armed robbers, know , in east robbers, you know, in east london that time. the london at that time. and the flying there for the flying squad was there for the gangster problem. so, you know, when was arrested, it was when i was arrested, it was already i it an ambush. they already i it was an ambush. they was the police was already there. the police shots fired. you know, they shots was fired. you know, they said two shots. i have said i fired two shots. i have to say this was this was shown to say this was this was shown to accident . the gun went to be, by accident. the gun went off, but it was very serious stuff. and this just is just to show the impact of where my choices took me. >> now, but you you served time in prison for that. how long? and then you came out, what next? >> well, you know, i. i served a 12 years. i'd done about four years of that in solitary confinement. i was really with all the, you know, notorious people of the day. i was released a category a as well. so, yes, i knew charlie well. i was like, charlie is a strange character in there's two sides to charlie . he has a hair

to charlie. he has a hair trigger. yes. he can be very violent , furry, furry, furry, violent, furry, furry, furry, furry, physical guy . is he the furry, physical guy. is he the most dangerous prisoner in in in the uk prisons ? absolutely not. the uk prisons? absolutely not. and i've seen little small people who do much more damage to really crazy, right. that has to really crazy, right. that has to be said. but there's another side to charlie that is really funny. he's a great conversationalist , you know, conversationalist, you know, he's a great draw, but he needs a lot of support and he needs a lot of help, obviously. >> so when you came out after spending all that time in prison, you manage to prison, how did you manage to get to where are get from there to where you are now? >> i, i, you now? >> i, i, you know , now? >> i , i, you know i , now? >> i, i, you know, i had to get my humanity back. you have to understand that it takes years to for sentence that to to for a sentence like that to hit you , but it takes years on hit you, but it takes years on the side because you're the other side because you're institutionalised . you know, institutionalised. you know, i've lot of voluntary i've done a lot of voluntary work. started at the work. you know, i started at the bottom as a labourer, right? you know, was good for know, i needed that was good for me get, you know, to get my me to get, you know, to get my humanity honesty back. humanity back. my honesty back. you i worked my way all you know, i worked my way all the that. you

the way up through that. you know, become supervisor know, become a supervisor running contracts, my own running my own contracts, my own business within the first 18 months. you know , i went to. months. you know, i went to. yeah, that's the middle bit. nana. you know, i went to i went to university, i passed with honours, you know, and i went on from was the foundational honours, you know, and i went on from that was the foundational honours, you know, and i went on from that iras the foundational honours, you know, and i went on from that i needed,)undational honours, you know, and i went on from that i needed, you ational honours, you know, and i went on from that i needed, you know,. stuff that i needed, you know, and this took some years to get the things that you feel you should have had. >> help you, equip you should have had. >> the help you, equip you should have had. >> the journey. p you, equip you should have had. >> the journey. and u, equip you should have had. >> the journey. and sozquip you should have had. >> the journey. and so you'veou for the journey. and so you've now written your book, extraordinary now written your book, extrworthary now written your book, extrworth living. life worth living. >> yeah. yeah, i think i think we're all searching for a life worth living. and you know what it's like i always life. it's like i always say life. life doesn't us what we life doesn't give us what we want . it gives us what we want. it gives us what we become. of course it does. you know , we are a blank sheet. we know, we are a blank sheet. we have we have to work here. have to. we have to work here. it's not that down or we it's not that we fall down or we hit wall. we have up, hit a wall. we have to get up, but it's we get the gifts but it's that we get the gifts of the learning from that not of the learning from that to not go is about, go back. and it is about, creation, you know, and contributing. it's not about destruction or taking in this life. >> so this is about your story.

>> so this is about your story. >> look, i have to say, it's been number one bestseller in two categories already on pre—sale. you know, i'm i'm going to appear a lot of literary festivals. i've got a tour with waterstones. it's going to be widespread and be open to people. i'm not just saying it. it really has it all in there because what i've done then is i've really stuck to the authenticity of the story , warts authenticity of the story, warts and all, because it's really not about me . i'm a conduit, you about me. i'm a conduit, you know, i feel that i am, but there's so much in there on that journey and we will find bits of us scattered all the way through it. >> well, i hope i'm not scattered in it, although there is a picture of me in there. >> in there. all right . >> you're in there. all right. >> you're in there. all right. >> yeah, you're. >> yeah, you're. >> look, i'm in it. let me in. stephen bits of me scattered in there . stephen. there you go. there. stephen. there you go. brilliant. well, this is stephen gillen . it's such a pleasure to gillen. it's such a pleasure to talk to you. good luck with all your touring and everything as the book come out now, the book actually come out now, or only available or is it only available on pre—order? it's out now. pre—order? no it's out now. >> come out. come out on

>> it come out. it come out on the of april. so it's there. the 4th of april. so it's there. it's film as well, it's going to be a film as well, you and i'm. yeah yeah. you know, and i'm. yeah yeah. it's to, it's to be it's going to, it's going to be a so we've got the deal on it's going to, it's going to be a film yo we've got the deal on it's going to, it's going to be a film yo weyou got the deal on it's going to, it's going to be a film yo weyou got th it's,al on it's going to, it's going to be a film yo weyou got th it's, it'sn the film and you know it's, it's really help lot really going to help a lot of stuff. the the, the feedback i'm getting people , you getting from real people, you know, is amazing, you know. and that's a real privilege . nana. that's a real privilege. nana. >> well, stephen, thank you so much for joining >> well, stephen, thank you so much forjoining me. it's really good to and good to talk to you and congratulations on your on congratulations on your book, on your extraordinary career thus far . far. >> thanks, >> well, thanks, dana. >> well, thanks, dana. >> author stephen >> thank you, author stephen gillen. just stay with me. gillen. well just stay with me. it's up 19 it's just coming up to 19 minutes after 5:00 up minutes after 5:00 coming up supplements panel and supplements sunday, my panel and i will be talking about some of the other stories that caught our this week. but next our eye. this week. but next it's our eye. this week. but next wsfime our eye. this week. but next it's time for the great british debate and i'm debate this hour. and i'm asking, courts be asking, should the courts be more those from more lenient with those from depnved more lenient with those from deprived .

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22 minutes after 5:00. this is gb news, britain's election channel. i'm nana akua. welcome. if you just joined us now, this houn if you just joined us now, this hour, i've been asking, should the courts be more lenient with those from deprived backgrounds? let's see what you've been saying. no . we are all saying. anna says no. we are all equal under the law. stephen says easy for me to take says it's easy for me to take the moral high ground. i've never had to worry about where my meal comes from. they my next meal comes from. they should but that should be more lenient, but that doesn't soft. says doesn't mean soft. sisi says actions have consequences . all actions have consequences. all children should be taught that from early on. well, that's your thoughts. keep them coming. gb views gb news. com but it's time now the british debate now for the great british debate this asking, this hour. and i'm asking, should courts be more should the courts be more lenient from deprived lenient with those from deprived backgrounds? new sentencing guidelines have come into force this urging to this week, urging judges to consider leniency for offenders from disadvantaged backgrounds . from disadvantaged backgrounds. the sentencing council now recommends taking into account factors like poverty, low education, discrimination and also housing inability before passing sentence . so what do you passing sentence. so what do you

think should put the great british debate this out? i'm asking should the courts be more lenient from deprived lenient from those from deprived backgrounds ? well, joining backgrounds? well, joining me now commentator now is political commentator stella . i could never say stella sex. i could never say it. stella that's okay. and also a former met police officer, peter bleksley . well, i'm going peter bleksley. well, i'm going to start with peter bleksley because he knows all about this. peter bleksley your thoughts on this, sentencing council was this, the sentencing council was set up in 2010, and basically it's an old boys and old girls network for retired judges . network for retired judges. >> there is a chief constable on it and a woman who has a background from looking after victims. but essentially it's judges a magistrates in a cosy little cohort issuing nonsense like these sentencing guidelines. this week . and guidelines. this week. and they're nonsense on a number of levels. number one, they are deeply insulting to anybody from an impoverished background or who wasn't particularly academic , who does not break the law. secondly, why should somebody from a middle class background

be punished more severely than somebody who perhaps comes from a working class background? we are all supposed to be equal in the eyes of the law, and i completely agree with anna, the gb news viewer who sent in her opinion. >> well, stella, what do you think ? think? >> mitigating circumstances have always been a thing that lawyers and judges have depended on. it's not a new thing. this is just a more exhaustive list and with recommendations . with specific recommendations. >> for example, the housing circumstances of someone to be taking consideration . but taking into consideration. but this is something that a lawyer taking into consideration. but this is have.thing that a lawyer taking into consideration. but this is have. a ng that a lawyer taking into consideration. but this is have. a barrister| lawyer taking into consideration. but this is have. a barrister would r would have. a barrister would have depended court have depended on in court anyway. is not something >> and this is not something that's unique to the uk and it's not something either. not something modern either. it's that's always it's something that's always been now, the point it's something that's always been being now, the point it's something that's always been being morew, the point it's something that's always been being more lenientyoint it's something that's always been being more lenient based about being more lenient based on someone's background doesn't mean someone from a middle mean that someone from a middle class background, or from an upper middle class background would have harder if would have a harder time. if anything, know that anything, we all know that someone who comes from a richer background more often has a an easier time when they go to court because they have more

resources defend themselves. resources to defend themselves. and collar and what about white collar crime? how so many crime? of course. how so many people will not go to jail for things that know from things that we know people from a background end up a poorer background would end up being there being incarcerated. now there are other reasons as well. we can't incarcerate our way into safer communities. it is both cheaper and fairer in the short term to actually be more lenient and put people in prison less. that doesn't mean not punishing them. that just means investing more in rehabilitating them back into their community. so that they can start being a member of their of their community again and all of these things. >> but listening to it, it does sound if you're saying that it was already there before and i'm sure the judges will take into account someone's circumstance, they always do. every case is treated case. treated as a unique case. although a law that although there is a law that people have potentially broken. but doesn't. i mean, peter, but this doesn't. i mean, peter, does this set a good precedent because i think you make a valid point that people from better off backgrounds, as stella said, may have more resources, but why

should they be treated differently? >> indeed, judges and magistrates have always been allowed to exert some degree of discretion when taking into account not only the offence and the offender, but the victims and the impact on them, and so on and so forth. this is frankly ludicrous that the sentencing council wants a further handcuff i >> judges and magistrates. >> judges and magistrates. >> we already see case upon case where sentences are way too lenient, where people are not punished sufficiently for very serious matters . and as our serious matters. and as our streets get increasingly lawless with no police patrolling them, what we actually need are deterrence. deterrence to stop people committing crime. >> and if that means more prison spaces, then so be it. i'm fully in support of that. >> stella, do you not think this is more to the that is more to do with the fact that the prisons are full and nana? >> there is no evidence that incarcerating people more is going to make us safer. this zero evidence from the zero evidence from across the world really , courts are not

world really, courts are not being held minute only. being held on a minute only. >> this is a mass >> so listen, this is a mass murderer out there. murderer and he's out there. i want incarcerated. there's want him incarcerated. there's absolute want him incarcerated. there's abscbehind bars. him behind bars. >> it sounds it sounds >> it sounds logical, it sounds logical, sounds on the street >> it sounds logical, it sounds logi(you sounds on the street >> it sounds logical, it sounds logi(you are unds on the street >> it sounds logical, it sounds logi(you are goingyn the street >> it sounds logical, it sounds logi(you are going to the street >> it sounds logical, it sounds logi(you are going to locktreet >> it sounds logical, it sounds logi(you are going to lock up�*t that you are going to lock up people. we're going people. and somehow we're going to actually, to be safer. but actually, that's he's a murderer. that's not what he's a murderer. that's the case. that's that's not the case. that's not the because actually the case. because what actually happens, happens, happens, what actually happens, what happens and what actually happens is and we're about we're not talking about criminals who are who are dangerous, obviously, they should nobody should be locked up. nobody argues that. is not argues with that. this is not about these guidelines are about that. these guidelines are not actually i not about that. and actually i disagree peter. the disagree with peter. it's the courts the precedent. courts that set the precedent. this doesn't set any precedent whatsoever. are just whatsoever. these are just guidelines that have already been existing. and just been existing. and they're just writing down. that's all writing them down. that's all this is. so the court sets the precedent. judges set the precedent. judges set the precedent. but what's going on here is they're formalising it, because what we know is that you need to have a certain amount of rehabilitation for someone to reduce reoffending rates. you're not going to reduce reoffending rates by putting vulnerable people, young people , and people, young people, and trapping them into a life of

criminality, giving them a network of other criminals, especially when you know what our prisons are like right now. and if we're not going to invest in our prisons, at the very least we need to invest in other alternative punishments that are cheapen >> you think that young people might hear that and use that? peter. surely people manipulate the system if they know that that's the case. >> of course they do. criminals lie. it's what they do. and stella espouses the typical sort of liberal left wing claptrap, which, if she had her way, i suspect, might lead to less and less people being imprisoned and consequently more and more criminals moving amongst us. >> there is already an epidemic of shoplifting . of shoplifting. >> violent crime is on the rise. knife crime is utterly unacceptable levels and we need deterrence. >> we need the police to regain the streets. and sadly, they haven't done that. they've surrendered them to criminals and they're now ever increasingly criminal country where women are so heavily

impacted by harassment, crime , impacted by harassment, crime, rape and murder. >> we need a firm hand, not a fluffy hand. >> you need to break the feedback loop of re—offending and you're not going to do that by putting more and more people into a completely failing prison system. and i'm not talking about violent criminals. absolutely violent criminals should be in prison . but there should be in prison. but there is a difference between a violent criminal and someone who sells weed. >> well, yeah, but nobody who sells ever goes to prison, sells weed ever goes to prison, to be honest with you, unless you've literally got a store full of it and been caught for that. failing prison that. by the way, failing prison system , don't we? system, don't we? >> have. we have completely. >> we have. we have completely. because because of austerity measures over the last 15 years, we completely we have completely cut everything , every single public everything, every single public service to the bone. and we don't service to the bone. and we dont enough service to the bone. and we don't enough prisons to don't have enough prisons to even put people in there, let alone them. so this alone rehabilitate them. so this is why you have rising crime? yeah. >> is the answer really , peter, >> is the answer really, peter, to, be more lenient on people who could potentially take advantage and, you know, turn on the switch on the violins and

here go. here we go. >> not. prevention of >> absolutely not. prevention of crime is largely brought about by deterrence. number one, the deterrent that you might be caught. and sadly doesn't caught. and sadly that doesn't exist anywhere as much as it should do. >> and secondly, the deterrent that you will be suitably punished again, are punished on. once again, we are seeing the courts failing. yes, there is a lack of prison capacity , but more prisons are capacity, but more prisons are onune capacity, but more prisons are online and we need to lock up more people, not less. >> stella , final word for what >> stella, final word for what you're saying. >> no. >> no. >> why did you go to qatar? you'll notice that in you'll notice that people in qatar like by qatar don't commit crime like by punishing the already punished. >> the ones who are already punished by life. further, you're to achieve you're not going to achieve safer community. you're just creating more bitterness and you're creating more future criminals by giving them access to criminal network, by to a criminal network, by destroying and destabilising their already destabilised lives. >> it's interesting you say that because actually we had a guy on, i think it was on faraj's show actually saying that the sentences need to be harsher, people need to be less lenient, and and he's somebody

and that will. and he's somebody who of experience and who has lots of experience and has stabbed in all has actually been stabbed in all sorts in crimes on people who are violent criminals , are already violent criminals, yes, but not on lower crimes. >> and i think this is what the guidelines are pointing to. they're someone they're not saying that someone who over and over who has murdered over and over again. but, but i mean, the >> but, but, but i mean, the point i was making is this, that quite seriously that if people don't think that they're going to be seriously punished, then people probably likely to be seriously punished, then pecommit probably likely to be seriously punished, then pe commit the bably likely to be seriously punished, then pe commit the crime. likely to be seriously punished, then pe commit the crime. that's/ to commit the crime. so that's just view . but keep your just my view. but keep your thoughts coming. thank you very much. right i've much. happening right now i've got got the got to go because we've got the news was a really news coming. it was a really good you that i've good talking to you that i've got i get it? got it got it. did i get it? i got it there didn't i got it didn't there didn't i? i got it didn't i? i think i did thank i? i think i did almost thank you she's political you sir. she's a political commentator you sir. she's a political commentformer metropolitan you sir. she's a political comm

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38 minutes after 5:00. if you're just tuned in. welcome on board. and a nice. he's here. this is gb news. we're live on tv, onune gb news. we're live on tv, online and digital radio. and online and on digital radio. and it's online and on digital radio. and wsfime online and on digital radio. and it's time for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking , should the courts be more lenient from deprived lenient on those from deprived backgrounds ? new sentencing backgrounds? new sentencing guidelines come into force guidelines have come into force this judges to this week, urging judges to consider leniency for offenders from backgrounds. from disadvantaged backgrounds. the sentencing council now recommend taking into account the factors like poverty, low education, discrimination and housing. so what do you think is it is it is that the right thing to do? are we being a bit soft. so for the great british debate this out, i'm asking should the courts be more lenient from those deprived backgrounds? those on deprived backgrounds? joining discuss is andy joining me to discuss is andy macdonald danny kelly.

macdonald and also danny kelly. danny kelly is on. >> you just noticed andy and i have very different hairstyles. well, he's got hair. >> just notice that. >> just notice that. >> yes, on the monitor. >> yes, on the monitor. >> oh, for the benefit of those listening on the radio. yeah, yeah. okay. >> i have the benefit. he does not have on the radio. >> doesn't have hair. even >> he doesn't have hair. even if you radio. >> n you radio. >> i don't like this >> do you know i don't like this idea. don't like this concept. idea. i don't like this concept. and i'll you why i don't and i'll tell you why i don't like i think it's unfair like it. i think it's unfair potentially of potentially on any victim of crime. someone who crime. so you've got someone who comes from a deprived background. why should the victim treated victim of crime be treated differently? differently? one treating them differently? one assumes you if you are assumes that if you if you are going to have a gateway into more serious crime , and then the more serious crime, and then the more serious crime, and then the more serious crime a defence lawyer will try and mitigate it and try and negotiate down the tariff using a working class and depnved tariff using a working class and deprived background as mitigation. one would assume that there had been previous crimes at a more low level prior to that. so you're dealing. i think it's only going be think it's only going to be a very use someone unless they very use to someone unless they just on some sort of rampage just go on some sort of rampage out of nowhere with a knife or something. it's going

something. it's only going to be of maybe of any use to someone, maybe with record. so if with a criminal record. so if they have a criminal record that is extending, that that is extending, that means that that fairly that means that they're fairly incorrigible, okay. that they can't so give can't be changed. so why give them a break? i think it's unfair, and it's also unfair on the class who the middle class people who aren't aren't. aren't deprived, who aren't. and listen, working class listen, they'll be working class people watching the telly and listening right listening to the radio right now. will be furious that now. who will be furious that there is an expectation for them to be more of a criminal than someone like me? >> going say nobody's >> i was going to say nobody's mentioned just >> i was going to say nobody's mentibutd just >> i was going to say nobody's mentibutd about just >> i was going to say nobody's mentibutd about ijust >> i was going to say nobody's mentibutd about i mean, then, but what about i mean, it's insult really, that is it's an insult really, that is from backgrounds, from deprived backgrounds, because there's many i often find that more british and more patriotic people are from some of those sort of backgrounds anyway, so i don't see why you'd think that they would be more likely to be the criminals, even though statistically those from depnved though statistically those from deprived more deprived backgrounds are more likely well, yeah. >> mean, thinkthis is yeah. >> mean, think this is a >> i mean, i think this is a bit of a waste from, you of a waste of time from, you know, whoever issued this guidance, judges and magistrates for into for years have always taken into account of account the circumstances of which committed. which the crime was committed. the circumstances of what caused the there doesn't need to the crime. there doesn't need to be guidance for it to be set in

stone, that they have to, you know, take into account x, z. know, take into account x, y, z. i think instead the government, i think instead the government, i assume the government have issued should issued this. there should be, you helping people you know, helping people from depnved deprived backgrounds by putting in you deprived backgrounds by putting in making you deprived backgrounds by putting in making sure you deprived backgrounds by putting in making sure that you deprived backgrounds by putting in making sure that the )u know, making sure that the education on council estates is as is , you know, in as good as it is, you know, in the nice suburbs we should be taking make sure that taking action to make sure that working people across the working class people across the country a fair shot at our country have a fair shot at our meritocracy. that's what the government be doing, not government should be doing, not messing with guidelines messing about with guidelines and involved in and just getting involved in things to get things they don't need to get involved things they don't need to get inv

>> i'd like to think so. i think levelling up has been promised for years years for years and years and years by, you know, parties, the labour party wales, the labour party in wales, the conservative in england, conservative party in england, the in scotland, they've the snp in scotland, they've gone we to a gone yeah, we need to have a look. up. no look. we need to level up. no levelling has been done and levelling up has been done and that's party issue. levelling up has been done and tha but party issue. levelling up has been done and tha but i party issue. levelling up has been done and tha but i think)arty issue. levelling up has been done and tha but i think it's! issue. levelling up has been done and tha but i think it's possible, >> but i think it's possible, though i'm not sure it's possible. >> i if we if we spend >> i think if we if we spend sensibly we actually an sensibly and we actually have an industrial strategy industrial investment strategy to people don't to create jobs so people don't have crime to i have to turn to crime to live, i think goes down to think if it all goes down to industrial and industrial investment, and i know union guy, it's all know as a union guy, it's all good saying that. good me saying that. but generally create in generally if you create jobs in depnved generally if you create jobs in deprived there's deprived areas, there's no reason to turn to reason for them to turn to crime. a reason. crime. there's less of a reason. so it's down to jobs. >> okay, well, this shows nothing you and your nothing without you and your views. welcome our views. let's welcome our great british voices, their opportunity on the show british voices, their opp

up coal to heat the house up from newbiggin beach. >> it was sea coal, so we used to that up. to pick that up. >> so i made the choice not to enter the criminal justice system, and like very many of my friends come from friends who also come from similar backgrounds. i don't similar backgrounds. so i don't believe , that people from believe, that people from a depnved believe, that people from a deprived background should get sort of like, anything special or should be treated specially or should be treated specially or leniently in the courts. >> and that's simply because there's one thing. it's choice. it's personal responsibility . it's personal responsibility. vie your personal responsible for the choices that you make, and that's it. and that's what it should be based on. >> well, let's go to dan in hull. i haven't seen you for a while, dan. and without the hat. go do you think? go on. what do you think? >> hairstyle danny . >> sarah. hairstyle with danny. i was i thought peter made some good points earlier. and what did you say about qatar, nana. you were cut off by stella ? you were cut off by stella? >> well, basically, in qatar, they have a strict, very strict regime . you saw what happened in regime. you saw what happened in the world cup and no one was arrested. don't think anyone

arrested. i don't think anyone ended six ended up in prison for six months they that months because they knew that the punishment was the crime, the punishment was serious qataris don't the crime, the punishment was seri0laround qataris don't the crime, the punishment was seri0laround . qataris don't mess around. >> yes. a friend of mine just got back from dubai, and one of the first things she noticed out there was people leave there was that people leave their unlocked they their cars unlocked and they leave their unlocked. and leave their houses unlocked. and when and they told when she asked why and they told her that, if you're caught stealing, chop off your stealing, they chop off your hands. that's one of the punishments. does work if, punishments. so it does work if, if, if the state is tougher on crime, then there is a deterrent there. so i understood what peter was saying . yeah, but also peter was saying. yeah, but also stella was making the point about certain low level crime, should be there should be more lenient. and this is where these sentencing guidelines come in. but what kind of a message is that sending. and also if it's to do with people who are discriminated against, that means migrants , right. or people means migrants, right. or people from a migrant background. so not only is it discriminatory against the working class, it's also outright racist , because also outright racist, because what they're saying is that these people know as good

these people don't know as good as we do, it just doesn't make any sense. right >> thank you for that. very succinct. good talk to you succinct. good to talk to you again, alan. you're there in london. alan, what's your thought? >> hi there . nana. >> hi there. nana. >> hi there. nana. >> well, i think mixed and fuzzy messages help. no one. messages actually help. no one. certainly not the young. we certainly not the young. what we needis certainly not the young. what we need is zero tolerance, a good deterrent and, you know, i was actually this week i saw a video of a guy stabbing a guy on a train at shortlands. >> oh, god. >> oh, god. >> and, you know, if it's on social media, it's been on tv. this is a train i use with my family and my two kids. so, you know , i don't care if that guy know, i don't care if that guy is from a deprived background. if he is guilty, i want to see him in prison for a very long time. so you know, we we're going in the wrong direction. if deprivation causes crime, then sought out the deprivation , sought out the deprivation, don't modify the legal system that works perfectly . well, that works perfectly. well, let's go to the envy of the rest of the world. it's not really

the envy of the rest of the world as it used to be. >> no, it just it isn't. it's a laughing brian doogan laughing stock. brian doogan in solihull . solihull. >> em- e with alan. >> yeah, i agree with alan. i think peter made point think peter made the point earlier as well. >> nana. >> nana. >> that, addressed the causes of deprivation . and then we're deprivation. and then we're going to the root of, of the problem , you know, the, the problem, you know, the, the judges already take into account, the circumstances in which, you know, it's judged case by case. so there are mitigating factors, all the time factored in. i suppose these are kind of, perhaps mitigations that , that might be derided, by that, that might be derided, by some. but that's why i agree. i agree with alan. i agree with with peter. let's address the root cause . yeah, exactly. and root cause. yeah, exactly. and then and then we can, we can have a uniform system. >> exactly. that's better, isn't it? that's what we should be doing. but why are they tinkering this and tinkering around with this and that? in solihull, that? brian dugan in solihull, thank cook thank you very much. alan cook in brian in and in london, dan brian in hull and lee bedfordshire.

lee webb in bedfordshire. thank you thoughts for today. you for your thoughts for today. i've should the i've been asking, should the courts with courts be more lenient with those backgrounds? those from deprived backgrounds? lots getting in lots of you been getting in touch says. touch that danielle says. i think it depends on the crime committed. it's shoplifting think it depends on the crime co feed ted. it's shoplifting think it depends on the crime co feed the it's shoplifting think it depends on the crime co feed the familyshoplifting think it depends on the crime co feed the family because|g think it depends on the crime co feed the family because of to feed the family because of poverty, possibly their poverty, then possibly not their fault should fault and government should be responsible for the circumstances. says circumstances. ben says no, i come from one of those backgrounds. i what's backgrounds. i know what's legal and i choose to stay and what's not. i choose to stay within of the and what's not. i choose to stay withiwe're of the and what's not. i choose to stay withiwe're all of the and what's not. i choose to stay withiwe're all capable of the and what's not. i choose to stay withiwe're all capable ofthe and what's not. i choose to stay withiwe're all capable of making law. we're all capable of making our own minds up about our behaviour, irene behaviour, renee says. irene sorry says being honest and respectful costs nothing . respectful costs nothing. absolutely. well, stay tuned on the way. click bait, let's hear. take a listen. >> the cop in dubai radio . >> the cop in dubai radio. >> the cop in dubai radio. >> let me stop you right there. do you know what's next? >> who knows ? that's on the way

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over the next decade. >> two decades. >> two decades. >> it is expected that there will be $150 billion worth of oil and gas extracted off your coast . coast. >> it's an extraordinary figure. but think of it in practical terms. >> that means , according to many >> that means, according to many experts, more than 2 billion tons of carbon emissions will come from your seabed, from those reserves and be released into the atmosphere. i don't know if you, as a head of state, went to the cop in dubai right there. >> let me stop you right there. do you know that guyana has a forest forever ? that is the size forest forever? that is the size of england and scotland combined ? a forest that stores 19.5 gigatons of carbon. if forests that we have kept alive a forest that we have kept alive a forest that we have kept alive a forest that we have kept alive. >> does that give you the right? does that give you the right to release all of this carbon from

that, give you the right to lecture us on climate change? >> i am going to lecture you on climate change because we have kept this forest alive. the stores 19.5 gigatons of carbon that you enjoy , that the world that you enjoy, that the world enjoy that you don't pay us for, that you don't value, that you don't see a value in that. the people of guyana has kept alive. guess what? we the lowest guess what? we have the lowest deforestation rate in the world. and guess what? even with our greatest exploration of the oil and gas resource we have now, we will be, net zero. guyana will still be, net zero. guyana will still be, net zero. guyana will still be net zero with all our exploration. a couple of points still be net zero. no, no. powerful, powerful words, mr president, but i'm not completed as yet. i am not finished as yet. i am just not finished yet. because this is a hypocrisy that exists in the world. we, the world in the last 50 years has lost 65% of all its biodiversity. we have kept our biodiversity. we have kept our biodiversity. are you valuing it? are you ready to pay for it? when is it developed? world is going to pay for it? or are you

in the pockets? you? are you in the pockets of those who have damaged are you damaged the environment? are you in are you and your in the pockets? are you and your system in the pockets of those who destroy environment who destroy the environment through the industrial revolution? now lecturing revolution? and now lecturing us, their pockets ? us, are you in their pockets? are you paid by them? are you paid keep . paid to keep. >> that's the president of guyana giving a bbc presenter a piece of his mind. danny kelly, a snidey smart arse bbc reporter with the language there, obviously. >> snidey. oh, yes. sorry. showing no respect to the to the office of mr president of which country was it? guyana. >> as we see as we see that was a bit of a joke but isn't it. >> it was just it just. yeah. i mean i didn't know that they had rainforest the size of england and scotland combined, which of course is who is it. oh, you're not questioning the integrity of mr president, are you? >> you. i don't know that much about trade unions. >> he's not gonna lie, though, is he? >> that's true. it's true, of course he's not gonna lie. >> what i thought just

bit. >> he got very agitated at it. >> he got very agitated at it. >> well, he would do when someone's patronising telling. >> he wasn't patronising. he wasn't, was. he was wasn't, you know, he was. he was holding president to holding the president to account. journalists account. that's what journalists should that's should do. you know, that's where the hard hitting journalism where the hard hitting journ if sm where the hard hitting journ if we interviewed the that. if we interviewed the president, would no, no, president, i would no, no, no, i would come come armed would come i would come armed with also it's with the facts, but also it's the basic expectation that you look forests. look after your forests. >> come armed with >> i would come armed with the facts were interviewing facts if i were him interviewing the guyana . but the president of guyana. but listen, on today's show, we've been should the courts been asking, should the courts been asking, should the courts be those from be more lenient with those from depnved be more lenient with those from deoured be more lenient with those from de our twitter poll, 4% of you to our twitter poll, 4% of you say yes, 96% of you say no. i'm with you on that one. you're absolutely spot on. thank you so much to my panel, broadcaster and journalist danny kaye. danny, you so much. and and journalist danny kaye. danrpolitical you so much. and and journalist danny kaye. danrpolitical commentator andy also political commentator andy mcdonald andy, for joining me . mcdonald andy, for joining me. and a huge thank you to you at home for your company. i look forward to seeing next week. forward to seeing you next week. same place at three. same time, same place at three. next it's neil oliver, but now i'll you the weather. i'll leave you with the weather. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of

weather on gb news. >> hello. here's your latest weather update from the met office. we hold on to rather unsettled weather across the uk dunng unsettled weather across the uk during the week ahead. further spells rain most areas and spells of rain in most areas and often quite windy to storm. kathleen move kathleen started to move away towards the north and northeast of the uk now, notice low of the uk now, but notice low pressure once again pressure gathering once again towards southwest and it's towards the southwest and it's this further wet this that will bring further wet and windy weather over the next couple to the couple of days. back to the detail for this evening and overnight, a fairly overnight, and it's a fairly quiet many areas, at quiet picture for many areas, at least time, because notice least for a time, because notice there's more wet weather there's a more wet weather coming southwest there's a more wet weather co the; southwest there's a more wet weather co the uk southwest there's a more wet weather co the uk into southwest there's a more wet weather co the uk into parts southwest there's a more wet weather co the uk into parts ofyuthwest there's a more wet weather co the uk into parts of wales, .t of the uk into parts of wales, and showers and the very blustery showers we've seen recently up towards the gradually the north—west will gradually ease hours, ease into the early hours, temperatures dipping down to mid single the north single figures towards the north under spells under the clearest spells overnight, starting rise overnight, but starting to rise tonight cloud and rain tonight as the cloud and rain comes up from the south and southwest. there'll be some bright weather around tomorrow across southern and eastern areas morning, but areas during the morning, but showery already showery bursts of rain already gathering south showery bursts of rain already gati southwest south showery bursts of rain already gati southwest , south showery bursts of rain already gati southwest , becoming south showery bursts of rain already gatisouthwest , becoming moreth and southwest, becoming more widespread across england and and southwest, becoming more widesfinto across england and and southwest, becoming more widesfinto the ass england and and southwest, becoming more widesfinto the afternoonid and and southwest, becoming more

widesfinto the afternoon and d wales into the afternoon and some of those turning quite heavy. northern ireland, after a bright , will see some rain bright start, will see some rain in the afternoon. it's in the afternoon. so it's scotland to see the scotland that's set to see the best weather here. plenty best of the weather here. plenty of and feeling pleasant of sunshine and feeling pleasant enough with enough in light winds with temperatures up to about 12 degrees. like degrees. tuesday looks like being a very unsettled day across all areas. have across all areas. we have warnings for wind and warnings in force for wind and rain. wettest weather. they're likely north—east of likely towards the north—east of the windiest the uk and the windiest conditions down conditions generally down towards southwest . towards the south and southwest. but wherever you are pretty blustery and wet to come and blustery and wet day to come and it quite unsettled during blustery and wet day to come and it week uite unsettled during blustery and wet day to come and it week ahead.;ettled during blustery and wet day to come and it week ahead. perhaps uring blustery and wet day to come and it week ahead. perhaps ur bit the week ahead. perhaps a bit warmer drier come warmer and a bit drier come thursday, but generally speaking, . speaking, very unsettled. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on

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