review into gender >> a landmark review into gender care has revealed thousands of children let down by the nhs through a shocking lack of research treatments given to research on treatments given to those questioning their gender. >> tory backlash against the latest echr ruling, which means individuals can sue for a breach of human rights it britain fails to meet net zero targets. yes, among conservative mps, momentum is certainly building to leave the echr. but what's the prime minister planning to do about it? minister planning to do about it.7 find out more with me very sooi'i. 500“. >> soon. >> heightened security at sports matches in england , spain and matches in england, spain and france, despite terror threats from islamic state and the campaigner and former postmaster , alan bates has hit out at his former bosses as thugs in suits. >> as the post office inquiry reveals, the full extent of the it scandal . it scandal. >> it might be a bright start out there for some of us, but more rain is on the way. however, it will also turn a bit

warmer over the next couple of days. full details with me in the forecast coming up . the forecast coming up. >> and so much to get through. this morning we will want your views on that. so do get in touch with us. isabel will tell you hi because i don't know, it's gbnews.com forward slash your say the norse. >> it is on our website. we're all becoming familiar with it. yeah. >> so lots of controversial subjects. we begin with the energy secretary clare pochettino , who has led a pochettino, who has led a conservative backlash against the european court of human rights after they said or they ruled against a landmark swiss ruling . the echr, based in ruling. the echr, based in strasbourg, has ruled that switzerland is violating human rights over their lack of inaction on climate change. >> well, the row comes after a poll in the telegraph newspaper revealed that nearly 50% of conservative voters approve of

leaving the echr. well, let's get the views this morning in all of this of our political correspondent olivia utley. good morning to you. to you, olivia. funnily enough, this could play very well for rishi sunak, couldn't because echr is couldn't it.7 because the echr is deeply unpopular. it gives him an excuse to leave something which is potentially blocking his landmark rwanda flights . his landmark rwanda flights. >> well, absolutely. the echr is becoming more and more unpopular both in the wider public, where about half of conservative voters at the 2019 election would now like to leave. and within the conservative party itself, claire coutinho, the energy secretary, who said that she was concerned about this ruling, is a very close ally of rishi sunaks indeed probably his closest friend in the cabinet. so the fact that she is leading this revolt as the telegraph put it, can be seen really as evidence that this is now probably personally what rishi sunak would like to do as well. now, this ruling will have an

effect on britain. essentially what's happened is eight swiss women, went to the echr and said that their right to a private life has been disrupted by climate change. they say that their particular demographic is particularly affected. one woman said that she couldn't leave her for house three weeks because of a heat wave. now that legislation is legally binding, that echr legislation and will trickle down into uk law. so we could indeed end up in a situation where people could sue the government if the government fails to meet its net zero commitments. now that is a situation which the government absolutely does not want. and as you say, isabel, that's not the only problem . as far as the echr only problem. as far as the echr is concerned, rishi sunak thinks that the echr is stopping him. get his rwanda legislation through. so could this be the excuse that the prime minister needs to put leaving the echr on the conservative manifesto? there are lots of mps who think

that it makes sense. as a final roll of the dice. >> so he would put it on the agenda and he would say, if you re—elect us, we will get out of the echr and that may prove to be popular if we don't re—elect them, there's no chance of us leaving the echr . there's leaving the echr. there's probably no chance of us leaving the echr if we do re—elect them as well. and labour will not leave the echr . leave the echr. >> well, absolutely. and obviously labour is a very far aheadin obviously labour is a very far ahead in the polls at the moment. keir starmer has no interest whatsoever in leading the echr . that said, i mean, it the echr. that said, i mean, it will probably be cold comfort to the conservatives but over the last week or two, the labour's poll lead is actually lessening slightly. labour has gone down three points in the polls. we don't really know why that is, but it is a statistically significant change. rishi sunak might now be thinking right, what can we do to get some more clear blue water between

ourselves and labour? and leaving the echr is definitely one option. rishi sunak said that he wanted to get those flights off the ground to rwanda by the spring. well, we're now pushing for mid—april and obviously there is no sign yet that any flights are leaving soon. if he gets hamstrung again by the house of lords or more likely, the courts, then he could just think , well, hang on could just think, well, hang on a minute, what's holding us back here? if it's leaving the echr, then now's the time to put it on our manifesto . our manifesto. >> so i think it was greta thunberg yesterday saying that human rights shouldn't be in the hands politicians. claire hands of politicians. claire coutinho as there, coutinho, as you say there, olivia, saying this was a profoundly un democratic decision that was made yesterday. we'd love people at to home let us know what they think in all of this. and just whilst you, to whilst we've got you, i want to talk cameron. he's talk about lord cameron. he's been and about in the been out and about in the states, obviously starting in mar in florida, jetting mar a lago in florida, jetting up washington, holding that mar a lago in florida, jetting up press1ington, holding that mar a lago in florida, jetting up press conference ding that mar a lago in florida, jetting up press conference yesterday joint press conference yesterday . but seems he's been snubbed by the speaker of the house. what's

gone on there ? gone on there? >> well, david cameron is essentially telling the republican party that they need to be investing more money in ukraine. that doesn't seem to be going down too well in america, which is a little bit of a problem for david cameron. he did that slick little video last week telling british voters exactly what he's doing for the world, on the world stage as the foreign secretary. but the fact that he isn't going down too well in the us, he was supposed to be that foreign secretary who was capable of representing britain's interests because of his background, because he was prime minister, he prime minister, because he was supposed have gravitas. supposed to have gravitas. but does really ? does he really? >> okay. okay. thanks. we've got to leave it there, olivia. thank you very much indeed. big story. you're to hear lot of you're going to hear a lot of throughout the day, the national health has been ordered health service, has been ordered to review gender care for children. this follows a damning report. it was the cass review and it found no evidence that the use of blockers , which delay

the use of blockers, which delay puberty, led to better mental health outcomes. yes. >> the author of the report , >> the author of the report, doctor hilary cass, had this to say. >> these are all unregulated drugs. you know, they're all unlicensed. whether it's puberty blockers or cross—sex hormones. they're unlicensed drugs used experimentally for children and adolescents with gender dysphoria or gender distress . dysphoria or gender distress. and so if you're offering these drugs with no diagnosis, no assessment, even , and no follow assessment, even, and no follow up, no monitoring , no blood up, no monitoring, no blood tests, then you're, you know, the risk of, you know, patient safety is huge . safety is huge. >> well, let's speak to diversity and inclusion facilitator with her views on all this. that is katie john went and katie, you have been through this whole process yourself. what are you making of this landmark report which, which seems quite damning of the existing policy ?

existing policy? >> well, as you say, i've been through the whole process, but quite some time ago, and i think the report is mainly concerned about teenagers. it's not concerned about adults like me who did it in the later years and took a long, long time making up their mind about it. and definitely for someone like me who felt it from a very, very young age indeed, hilary cass actually there still actually does say there is still evidence is can be the evidence that it is can be the right for some people who right thing for some people who have felt it have persistently felt it from a young age and some of the evidence on cross—sex hormones shows it does leave to shows that it does leave to somebody having life somebody having a better life and someone having a reduced distress, etc. doesn't turn distress, etc. she doesn't turn around and kind of say that transgender doesn't exist. she doesn't turn around and say that gender identity, gender dysphoria, gender incongruence, whatever you want to call it, and the name changes kind of every edition the dsm or the every edition of the dsm or the icd, the classifications of diseases , she doesn't say that diseases, she doesn't say that it doesn't exist. she does say that we need to be cautious, extremely cautious. now, perhaps that's the difference between

now and the and the earlier version and other people's looks at this. we need to be extremely cautious when dealing with kids. obviously there's no actual kind of intervention with kids. what we're talking about teenagers we're talking about is teenagers going puberty and going through puberty and putting puberty on pause. i think the language that puberty goes on pause with puberty blockers kind of much blockers is kind of pretty much gone for around this. gone for good around this. everyone acknowledges everyone probably acknowledges that you put a if you put that if you put a if you put a teenager on a puberty blocker, you're not saying it doesn't exist. >> but she's not saying exactly it does exist to the extent that it does exist to the extent that h been it does exist to the extent that it been listened to and it has been listened to and treated so far. >> no, exactly . and she rightly >> no, exactly. and she rightly says that we need to look at all of the other causes and, and that it of the other causes and, and thatitis of the other causes and, and that it is a, it is a mental distress. and where there are other causes, we need to be really cautious that we're not treating some other cause with the transgender solution. and i 100% agree with that. we know that up to three quarters of people who are kind of are going through gender distress aren't actually what we would have called trans gender in the old

school kind of diagnosis. the fact that we're diagnosing it youngen fact that we're diagnosing it younger, but then giving an aduu younger, but then giving an adult treatment to it is, is where the kind of the issue is. and, and she's talking about the fact that there's a very kind of construct. i think it's constructive. many trans people won't, and i only speak for myself. i don't represent a trans community. she sees it as a very constructive approach, suggesting that this should shift to a cross—disciplinary kind of, paediatric basis for this, that there should be long term very , very slow support. term very, very slow support. she uses the word unhurried , she uses the word unhurried, which i think is actually very sensible, which we what we used to talk about ten years plus back ago was the watch and wait aspect, and it needs to be moving back to that. >> and there's a sort of identity issue . or she's identity issue. or she's certainly identified in this report, an issue around what she calls exceptional toxicity , that calls exceptional toxicity, that this stormy discourse that no one can talk about it without such strong opinions is actually let down. these children so

much, and particularly the role of activist charities in heaping pressure not only on the nhs but also on parents who've been led to believe if they don't deal with this imminently before their child hits puberty, they might or they might kill themselves or they might kill themselves or they might self—harm , which led might self—harm, which has led to these rushed to these decisions, rushed decisions huge pressure. do decisions and huge pressure. do you agree with that? >> that's the biggest >> actually, that's the biggest thing. i do agree with the whole polarisation. you know, and i think she used the word stifling of debate. the biggest thing i'm known for is i believe in dialogue and debate. and it was one of the aspects when this kind to be kind of all began to be questioned queried questioned and queried everything look at, everything that you look at, particularly if you're looking at based medicine, you at evidence based medicine, you need to examine it. you need to test it, you need to explore it. the fact that people had phds blocked when they were looking to phd on on transition or to do a phd on on transition or on detransition and the fact that six out of seven of the aduu that six out of seven of the adult gender clinics were kind of disinclined to be part of the follow up studies of the cohort of teenagers who kind of of 9000 teenagers who kind of came through the tavistock, went

on to clinics, and then on to adult clinics, and then the adult clinic said, look, we don't want to do the studies that you want to do to see where these people are going and the fact there's resistance fact that there's a resistance there following there means we're not following up evidence. so even up on the evidence. so even medicine kind of scared of medicine is kind of scared of this polarisation , and we need this polarisation, and we need to be able to have these dialogues and have these debates without getting it, without getting offended by it, but without deliberately but also without deliberately kind of causing offence by it and actually try and do it in such a way as to maintain the humanity of the individuals involved. well, these are distressed teenagers. >> great talking to you >> it's great talking to you because doing of because you're doing all of those katie, could i ask those things. katie, could i ask you, old are you ? you, how old are you? >> i could make a joke. you should never ask a woman that question. but i'm flexible on kind of identity terminology. you can ask a person that question. i'm 57. yeah. >> do you say 57? >> do you say 57? >> yeah. i know hormones are good for you. look >> well, i'll tell you what. yeah, absolutely. >> well done there. that's amazing. now absolutely perfect because that puts you in the

same sort of generational loop as me. and here's what i wanted to ask you when i, when i was young at school and, and growing up as a teenager or whatever, katie, i was not aware of this at all. people didn't come and say, you know, i'm a boy and i want to be a girl, or i'm a girl and i want to be a boy. you just didn't hear about it. now we hear about it everywhere. so here's my question to you did it exist back the 60s and the exist back in the 60s and the 70s and the 80s? or is this just something that has come about in the last five, six, seven years? >> well, when i went to school, i didn't know anyone, but then there was no way to kind of go through a process as a teenager then. so i didn't hear about hear about it, as it were, until i was an adult. when i went to university, there was no internet still, so. so you couldn't. there was no kind of social pressure. there was no kind of so—called ideological pressure. was no tiktok pressure. there was no tiktok pressure, of those things

pressure, none of those things existed. yet i still felt the things that i felt felt the distress that i felt from an early age, from around the age of five. but you go back of five. but if you go back through the record, you can find the people april ashley. the people like april ashley. you find trans people you will find trans people have always existed, and people were transitioning the 1960s and transitioning in the 1960s and heading french surgeons transitioning in the 1960s and hemorocco. french surgeons transitioning in the 1960s and he morocco. you rench surgeons transitioning in the 1960s and he morocco. you canh surgeons transitioning in the 1960s and he morocco. you can go urgeons transitioning in the 1960s and he morocco. you can go backns transitioning in the 1960s and he morocco. you can go back to in morocco. you can go back to 1904. and magnus hirschfeld's book the third sex, where he documents people like this. so people have always existed. but yeah, the nation there were very rare. >> they were very rare. katie that's the thing. and i'm just trying to work out is this something that, we have made in vogue or trendy, you're mentioning , vogue or trendy, you're mentioning, you vogue or trendy, you're mentioning , you know, people mentioning, you know, people going to tunisia and whatever, but that would have been very rare. very, very rare. and does that mean there were there were just hundreds or hundreds of thousands of people who were trapped in the in the wrong bodies? why didn't we hear about it? why didn't people discuss it with each other? >> well, the nhs data from 20 odd years ago talked about one

in 100,000 or 1 odd years ago talked about one in 100,000 or1 in. odd years ago talked about one in 100,000 or 1 in. and in 100,000 or1 in. and i remember when they were talking about 1 in 100,000, people in the trans communities, their early trans activists before the current kind of range. we're talking about the fact that it's not 1 in 100,000. it's more like 1 in 1000 now. it's not 1 in 1000, it's more like 1 in 50. so there's been two kind of big kind of generational y, big generational. >> am i? i'm trying to work out why. because the thing is, if we get resistance and whatever from people, they'll say, oh, it wasn't like that in my day. and then you get people saying, kids saying, i want to be a cat. i want to be a pussycat. i want somebody to tickle belly and somebody to tickle my belly and whatever. schools taking whatever. and schools are taking this, want this, this seriously. and i want a beside my desk and a litter tray beside my desk and all this sort of thing, where's all this sort of thing, where's all where's all this come all this? where's all this come from, think whether it's from, i think whether it's social contagion or whether it's social contagion or whether it's social media contagion and whether it's, in other words, whether it's, in other words, whether it's, in other words, whether it's just a social cohort, whether it's a group going through a class, going

through a school, i've certainly i've worked with trans youth or, or youth who have gender kind of questioning . that's the other questioning. that's the other way. some people prefer to put it because, you know, you can't actually transition per se, so you can't actually really have transgender per se. but transgender youth per se. but the doing it, has the numbers doing it, yes, has escalated . but the there is escalated. but the there is a difference. what i'm saying is there's a huge crossover, with kind of the neurodiversity cohort, a huge crossover with everything from eating disorders to bullying to body dysmorphia to bullying to body dysmorphia to the very pressure that you get from instagram and tiktok on how you look. and if you don't look a certain way, hey, trans is the solution. or maybe you are trans and it was never put forward as maybe you are this, but it was instead 20 years ago. people who were under incredible distress trying everything else and then going to a psychiatrist as a last resort instead of going to a therapist, or a school kind of representative as a first resort. and i and i

think it's that jump from last resort to first, i'm sorry to rush you , but i just want to rush you, but i just want to squeeze in this final point that that hilary cass identifies in the report, which is the use of pronouns. >> now, a minute ago, you said you're quite fluid on what you use. said that actually use. and she said that actually people too quick to people have been too quick to allow children to change allow their children to change their pronouns, to change their dress, everybody at the dress, to make everybody at the school address them with a different that different name, and that actually be actually this all needs to be slowed i wonder if slowed down. and i wonder if that into what eamonn was that feeds into what eamonn was saying about huge rise, saying about this huge rise, because anyone who seemed to be questioning is suddenly being legitimised by adults when actually children actually they're children and they're what they're not really sure what they're not really sure what they yet, and we should be they think yet, and we should be protecting until protecting them, surely until they're older. they're much older. >> as we've only >> well, as we've said, only this week, know, social this week, you know, social transition act, transition isn't a neutral act, but isn't entirely but it isn't an entirely negative act either, recognising that people , if that for some people, if allowing them a degree of social transition . but saying this transition. but saying this doesn't mean we're actually saying you are trans and you are this other person, and the social transition doesn't merit you sudden access to the opposite sex spaces within a

school environment. but if someone who comes to school and they're called samantha and says, from now on, i want to be called sam, and it's not even about gender, it's just say, this is my preferred name. you, you preferred you call them by their preferred name. helps you get on name. if it helps you get on with better classroom behaviour and helps you get on with their education. don't education. but i don't think, yeah, lock, and barrel yeah, lock, stock and barrel full in you came yeah, lock, stock and barrel fu|school in you came yeah, lock, stock and barrel fu|school on in you came yeah, lock, stock and barrel fu|school on monday you came yeah, lock, stock and barrel fu|school on monday morningne yeah, lock, stock and barrel fu|school on monday morning and to school on monday morning and you are this and we now you say you are this and we now believe you this but believe you are this but courtesy kind of navigating courtesy and kind of navigating the around people the spaces around people like that addressing someone by name and avoiding pronouns is another way. doing it, but yeah, way. simply doing it, but yeah, i think there has to be kind of, someone putting when people are in the system and then they're getting a letter from their doctor and say, this person is going through the clinics, this person prefers to be known as. and will actually benefit and this will actually benefit their health to be their mental health to be addressed way, when addressed in that way, when professionals involved, professionals are involved, rather someone just saying, rather than someone just saying, i be this, there is i want to be this, there is a difference between gender dysphoria classed a dysphoria being classed as a pathology mental health, pathology within mental health, and i know there's shift away

and i know there's a shift away from health pathology from the mental health pathology to of recognised as to being kind of recognised as something else. but for now, if you're talking about the well—being the mental health well—being and the mental health of at the of kids, then look at the well—being mental health of kids, then look at the wethejeing mental health of kids, then look at the wethe kid.) mental health of kids, then look at the wethe kid. what mental health of kids, then look at the wethe kid. what is mental health of kids, then look at the wethe kid. what is going:al health of kids, then look at the wethe kid. what is going to health of the kid. what is going to help and what is going to help classroom dynamics, yeah, and classroom dynamics, so yeah, and not lock, stock and barrel, case by decision. okay by case decision. okay >> katie, john, you're fascinating talk to and i fascinating to talk to and i would like to talk to you again in more depth on on this program. indeed. what i'd like to this morning is get views to do this morning is get views and comments from our listeners and comments from our listeners and and put them to you and viewers and put them to you if available live again if you're available live again later morning, because later on this morning, because you talk great reason you talk with great reason there. and i think people will understand you, your journey, what you've been through your age absolutely astounds me because you look 20 years younger. that that is absolutely incredible , and it's a it's an incredible, and it's a it's an amazing story to tell. and your opinions on this cast report. so thank you for your time and your explanations this morning, we'll say goodbye to you for the moment. we'll see if we can get

you up again later today. somebody will speak to you about that. katie john went. thank you very much indeed, and i wonder if i might just ask if that is his real name. >> did he go? katie? john went, you know, because now he's a woman. katie. john went. or do you think it was. was already you think it was. he was already called. john went. i'd love to know . maybe we'll that out know. maybe we'll find that out next well, is he still next hour. well, is he still there? fabulous name. next hour. well, is he still the are zabulous name. next hour. well, is he still the are you lous name. next hour. well, is he still the are you still name. next hour. well, is he still the are you still there, katie? >> are you still there, katie? no >> he's coming. katie. >> he's coming. katie. >> katie, i think isabel has a question. did hear my question. did you hear my question. did you hear my question there? >> heard question. >> i heard the question. absolutely. i'm fine absolutely. and i'm. i'm fine with humour of it, john, was with the humour of it, john, was john. jonathan was my birth name, so was catherine i for name, but so was catherine i for the first couple of hours of my birth, they weren't sure what sex was. and i was called sex i was. and i was called catherine. and then an hour or so , the doctors came back so later, the doctors came back and actually, no, it's a and said, actually, no, it's a boy. have, you boy. i did actually have, you might had natural puberty might say i had natural puberty blockers. get male blockers. i didn't get a male puberty till i was 18, so went is your surname and has always been your surname? >> my surname. >> is my surname. >> is my surname. >> there go. i just find >> there you go. i just find that fascinating. >> shifted john to my

>> and i shifted john to my middle name to be 100% transparent. >> there we go. >> there we go. >> and that's what you've been. thank you very much indeed. really appreciate to thank you very much indeed. real thank eciate to thank you very much indeed. real thank eciatvery to thank you very much indeed. realthankeciatvery much) thank you very much indeed. realthankeciatvery much indeed, you. thank you very much indeed, right. want right. so here's what we want from you. you've heard katie from you. you you've heard katie john there and you've heard john talk there and you've heard what the cast report contains today , evidence severely lacking today, evidence severely lacking in a lot of these cases as to whether , sex change is necessary whether, sex change is necessary or not. let us know your views. >> david. >> david. >> webs.com/your sake. so get in touch and we will deal with that okay. >> we'll do those later on shall we. we'll come back to those and do them. do you want to do them now david webb nhs should be for bafic now david webb nhs should be for basic medical care. all block basic medical care. all in block caps. anything should be caps. anything else should be done gender services done privately. gender services should part of nhs. what should not be part of nhs. what a of money and lots of you a waste of money and lots of you getting in touch as well. we'll reflect on those a little bit later on with katie. >> okay, we will see if we get katie john back later in the programme to answer our

questions, would questions, which i think would be other stories be very good. some other stories you're waking up to on this wednesday mp william wednesday morning. mp william wragg has resigned from the conservative party after admitting did give his admitting he did give his colleagues phone numbers a colleagues phone numbers to a suspected scammer . colleagues phone numbers to a suspected scammer. ill colleagues phone numbers to a suspected scammer . ill now sit suspected scammer. ill now sit as an independent mp in the commons. wragg has claimed he was manipulated into sharing other politicians personal numbers as part of a sixteen scam . scam. >> the former subpostmaster alan bates has told the horizon it inquiry. the post office spent 23 years attempting to discredit and silence him. the inquiry has been looking into what led to the wrongful prosecution of more than 900 subpostmasters, all caused by errors in the horizon it software. mr bates has been giving his version of events ahead of appearances today by senior executives . senior executives. >> britain has taken part in the largest international airdrop of aid into gaza to mark the end of the fasting period of ramadan. 14 aircrafts from nine countries helped deliver essential food

and water to civilians over a two week period. the royal air force has dropped over 53 tonnes of aid as the uk works to ramp up deliveries by land, sea and air, and the princess of wales is now officially the uk's most popular royal. >> a yougov poll found that over 75% of respondents have a positive view of the princess, with prince william only slightly behind his wife at 73. last month, of course, princess katherine revealed she's been diagnosed with cancer and is undergoing treatment away from the public . eye. the public. eye. >> and we wish princess katherine, continued good health. there was a programme on channel five last night which i taped and then went to bed, but it was called katherine and the king, so they had got, you know, a newly inserted documentary on her. so she certainly is the

woman of the moment, isis has threatened football fans at the champions league fixtures this week after their attack at a concert hall in moscow just a few weeks ago . few weeks ago. >> the al azam foundation, a media channel linked to the terror group, released this sinister image threatening four stadiums hosting matches, which has led to heightened security. >> let's get the thoughts of former senior military intelligence officer philip ingram on this one this morning. thankfully, philip , things last thankfully, philip, things last night all passed without incident , what's night all passed without incident, what's this going to be like going ahead, going forward ? forward? >> well, you know, in the uk we're still under the threat level. substantial, which means a terrorist attack is likely vie. now that's not the highest level. it's not the second one down, but , as the lowest level, down, but, as the lowest level, we've been up for quite a while, but it still says a terrorist attack is likely, and the threats that came up from isis, k they were linked to the attack in, in russia, and they've threatened the, the, the

football games across europe, it's there it's continuing to be there. our security services so far have continued to keep us safe, not just in the uk but across europe generally. but, we can't ignore this threat. and it's up to every member of the pubuc it's up to every member of the public to, keep their eyes open and be vigilant. and that will keep all of us safe. >> the, the differences between here and what happened in moscow, i suppose, philip, is you see security there around football grounds. it's quite substantial. every entrance substantial. and every entrance and exit to a ground will have someone involved in searching there. it's highly unlikely that they'll get through there with rifles or automatic rifles or kalashnikovs or whatever it happens to be. i suppose they could come in and out with with pistols, but it's unlikely to be the same form of attack if it was to take place , i would have was to take place, i would have thought highly, highly unlikely. >> the access to weapons and terrorists haven't used weapons really in the uk in their terrorist attacks. they have in

the continent. we saw the bataclan in paris, but in the uk they tend to find that they will use, new vehicles as a weapon, use, new vehicles as a weapon, use knives because you can't get hold of guns . but we're focusing hold of guns. but we're focusing on football grounds, on sports stadia the football fans collect in other areas. so you're looking at looking at it. you've got public transport, you've got railway stations, you've got the cafes, the bars and everything else where fans will congregate beforehand or go to afterwards . beforehand or go to afterwards. these are all what are referred to as publicly accessible locations , and there is a big locations, and there is a big push to get some form of minimum security standard for publicly accessible locations, the manchester arena attack in 2017 highlighted that there is no mandatory security requirements for these sorts of places , and for these sorts of places, and figen murray, has been trying to push to get martyn's law after martyn hett, her son, who was one of the victims of the manchester attack, martyn's law brought in and the government

had it in the king's speech but with the potential for, a general election this year, it may not get parliamentary time to, to get through, but this is 2024. the manchester arena attack was in 2017. >> can i ask you? we've all got the moscow attack in the forefront of our minds and the americans had sort of got intelligence, hadn't they, that this was happening. they'd warned the russians and they ignored it. that, ignored it. was that, intelligence that the americans got in the way as we have got in the same way as we have from this al azam foundation, that because i've not that warning, because i've not seen of media channel seen these sort of media channel warnings before from isis, or have just missed those ? is have i just missed those? is this a new thing they're doing? >> yeah, unusual for isis >> yeah, it's unusual for isis to warn of an attack. they to pre warn of an attack. they usually will come in in the media channels and claim it very quickly afterwards. but the intelligence is on intelligence game is going on continuously , since 2017, in the continuously, since 2017, in the uk alone our intelligence services and counter—terrorism police have thwarted 39 attacks

since 2018. nine of those attacks have been what are called late stage. so that's people on their way to carry out something. we never hear about this, so the measurement of success for counter—terror police and for our security services is nothing happens . but services is nothing happens. but as of today, there are 900 active investigations into about 3000 people going on as we speak, and that's not people who are on a watch list. there are tens of thousands on a watch list. those are active investigations keeping our police tied up. >> i just don't know how they do it. i mean, so overwhelming. that must you know, philip, that must be, you know, philip, i my blood ran watching the i my blood ran cold watching the moscow i sat in moscow concert attacks. i sat in that hall three years that concert hall three years ago watched a production, ago and watched a production, and i also did film behind the and i also did a film behind the scenes. so i knew whole scenes. so i knew the whole place the whole shopping place and the whole shopping mall whatever. and it mall area and whatever. and it was absolutely horrendous was absolutely just horrendous to watch and realise that you knew the area and with what ease they were able to get in and do things. but my friend, we know all that from northern ireland as well. and what goes on.

as well. and, and what goes on. and, thanks very much indeed, philip, the insight . much philip, for the insight. much appreciated. we've got to leave it thank you. now it there. thank you. we're now going go to the weather going to go to the weather update. say, good morning, update. we say, good morning, aidan morning. aidan mcgivern this morning. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello. very good morning to you. welcome to the latest forecast from the met office. it's a bright start for many of us, but it will turn increasingly cloudy this morning with more rain to come, especially across and especially across western and northwestern . that's where northwestern parts. that's where the rain is already arriving through the morning. we keep the sunshine in the east at least until lunchtime , but well, it until lunchtime, but well, it does get squeezed out by thickening cloud and a freshening breeze. along with those outbreaks of rain, the rain will be on and off and mostly light in the south. towards the northwest it will be heavy and persistent, particularly for western scotland, where there a rain scotland, where there is a rain warning saturated warning because of the saturated ground here. ground we currently have here.

temperatures up to 15 celsius. not feeling very pleasant though with the cloud and those outbreaks of rain. however, once the rain does move through, it does turn drier for a time in the south and southeast , albeit the south and southeast, albeit with a lot of low cloud, some hill fog. and then we've got further of rain across further outbreaks of rain across many of country. again many parts of the country. again most persistent towards the west of overnight but of scotland. overnight but a mild night because of the southwesterly wind and the extensive cloud cover. some places no lower than 12 or 13 celsius. now thursday morning starts off with those grey leaden skies staying damp and gloomy in the south, as well as the far north—east. in between . the far north—east. in between. the cloud does break up for a time, so some sunshine coming through for scotland, for northeast england, for example, and feeling considerable warmer temperatures up to 18 or 19 celsius in the east before further rain comes along later. >> that warm feeling inside and from boxt boilers, sponsors of weather on . gb news.

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>> time quickly approaching . 635 >> time quickly approaching. 635 on this wednesday morning. front pages of your newspaper. >> ours looked like this at the independent's leading with hero campaigner and former subpostmaster alan bates saying post office bosses were nothing more than thugs in suits. >> what a character he was. telegraph leads with the

landmark acas report into gender care for children, and we've been reporting on that. they're saying that pillars of gender treatment built on shaky foundations. >> yeah, it's also the top story for the times. nhs review rejects use of puberty blockers . rejects use of puberty blockers. >> here's the express it leads, with conservative mps declaring the latest ruling by the european court of human rights proves it's time to quit the treaty. we're going to be talking about that next and the guardian also on gender guardian also on this gender story, say thousands of story, they say thousands of children unsure their children unsure about their identity down by identity have been let down by the national health service. joining us now, we've got norman baker with salute to norman. we say hello to oscar red drop for their opinions things that their opinions on things that are happening there. norman, this of human are happening there. norman, this and of human are happening there. norman, this and what of human are happening there. norman, this and what happened|an are happening there. norman, this and what happened in| rights and what happened in switzerland. are switzerland. and people are saying there'll be saying, oh, there'll be repercussions sunak repercussions for britain. sunak will have to put it, you know, on a manifesto going into the election, if he's going to do it and labour won't do it if they're to win, which they're going to win, which looks quite likely that they

would. what you what do you would. what do you what do you make of all of this? >> create the european >> we helped create the european court human rights after the court of human rights after the second world war. the british invention and the all the european countries, i think, who are outsider russia and are outsider are russia and belarus, tells its belarus, which tells its own story. do really want to story. so do we really want to join pariah states? and join these pariah states? and this this is a kind of this is this is a kind of brexit. mark two the idea that we can do what we want in the world and everybody else will follow let us do it and follow and just let us do it and we'll all the benefits. none we'll get all the benefits. none of disbenefits not of the disbenefits that's not how world works , you know, how the world works, you know, it's a connected and the it's a connected world. and the european human rights european court of human rights is there to protect ordinary people. me, voters people. you and me, voters across from across the country, from excessive to whatever excessive government to whatever colour they happen to be, that would all these women in would include all these women in switzerland who are saying that they go for six they couldn't go out for six weeks there was a heat weeks because there was a heat wave in switzerland . wave in in switzerland. >> that's, you know, the >> i mean, that's, you know, the ridiculous comparison we're ridiculous comparison that we're that we're looking but the that we're looking at. but the idea that you get people here idea is that you get people here saying though they idea is that you get people here sayi they're though they idea is that you get people here sayi they're interferingugh they idea is that you get people here sayi they're interferingugiourey are. they're interfering in our lives. everything we lives. everything like this. we don't this. would there be don't want this. would there be any for sort of

view? >> well, i'm afraid that you can you can find some populist somewhere who will make that case and stir the population case and stir up the population by misrepresenting what the european court does. >> argument , european court does. >> argument, norman, that >> not an argument, norman, that the echr when it set up was the echr when it was set up was for a very different world where they face lot of the they didn't face a lot of the challenges we have today challenges that we have today and as robert jenrick former immigration has said immigration minister has said today just an today that this is just an example it being example of it being expansionist. this is expansionist. and this is a threat to democracy effectively. >> well, it's threat to >> well, it's not a threat to democracy. i i look, democracy. i mean, i think look, i course the world i mean, of course the world changes the world is very changes and the world is very different to how it was in 1945, not all britain's role, not least of all britain's role, which entirely minimised which is entirely minimised compared we were after compared to where we were after the world but, you the second world war. but, you know, certain know, there are certain elemental truths are elemental truths which are always know, honesty, always there, you know, honesty, integrity, right people integrity, the right of people to protest, right of people to protest, the right of people to protest, the right of people to freedom of those to have freedom of speech. those things are and that's things are eternal. and that's what european court protect, what the european court protect, that i get that, oscar, that i get that, but, oscar, i'll put to you. i'll put it to you. >> if we were to put it to as a vote to the general public at the moment and say, right, any right of the echr, i suspect it

would be very close, at least i think you're spot on. >> i think we heard rishi talking about it, last week , talking about it, last week, saying that he is prepared to leave, counterintuitively, on the exact ruling that happened yesterday. this is counterintuitive because the one judge who stood very firm against it was actually british, so for people saying, well, actually , like you want to actually, like you want to remain in these institutions because then you can be the voice of change and that you seek, however , on a campaigning seek, however, on a campaigning platform issue, if we think back to rwanda, that is , i'd say in to rwanda, that is, i'd say in terms of weapons in the armoury for rishi, he has very, very few to your point, eamonn, in terms of where public sentiment maybe is roughly, that's one of the few kind of strings in his bow, i'd say. and oscar really is precedent that this sets, because we could now see people suing, the uk government if they fail to reach the net zero targets that have been set by what the paris accord or which

net zero targets the government's own targets. exactly. and that sits very uncomfortably with certain parts of the conservative party. and that sets very uncomfortably with certain parts of the electorate. and it taps into that very visceral feeling when we look back to the brexit days. and i know norman, you've just spoken about the complete dangers of tapping into that, those kind of , visceral feelings those kind of, visceral feelings that people have. but it's about shaping your own destiny. and, i think yesterday's example, i think yesterday's example, i think people in number 10 will kind of rubbing their hands with glee a little bit, actually. >> okay, i may see it as part of the manifesto that we may do, but, i mean, i think to be honest with you, it's a kind of suicide note if you put that sort of thing in the manifesto, i mean, i think that the conservative leadership is talking smaller smaller talking to a smaller and smaller element population. element of the population. >> every we go on. okay >> every day we go on. okay let's talk about this let's talk about gender, this landmark doctor landmark gender ruling by doctor hilary cass, thousands of children, , have been children, it seems, have been let since these have let down since these drugs have been pretty much since

been issued pretty much since about norman and this does about 2011. norman and this does seem and i think the males have got the best headline for me. they say at last, a voice of sanity. >> well, i hate to say i agree with the daily mail, but i think, i think you into that one. i think i do on this occasion because i mean, ijust, you know, as a liberal, i take the view that people who are adults are over 18 can do adults who are over 18 can do whatever they their whatever they want with their bodies and whatever they want with their lives. and people under are fully mature, under 18 are not fully mature, not protected and we're not to be protected and we're seeing, my view, children seeing, in my view, children under pressure from under terrible pressure from tick tock and everything else, being led into decisions which are inappropriate and which are often irreversible and cause immense damage to them. so i'm in of, being very strict in favour of, being very strict on what children can do with their bodies. >> yeah. and do you think that there are very serious there are some very serious questions these activist questions for these activist charities who've heaping charities who've been heaping pressure on parents, on pressure not only on parents, on the nhs as well and on these young people? and if so, what do young people? and if so, what do you do about it? how do you control what these activist

organisations are doing? >> i mean, it's a hugely contentious issue. obviously i think the language in think some of the language in the report did a really the report actually did a really good job of kind of paring that back. you're talking and in some ways it can be a bit woolly. this phrase, but talking about a holistic approach and i think that's right, you know, just that's so right, you know, just kind of slightly easing off that knee reaction lot of knee jerk reaction that a lot of these campaigning organisations have medical have on, you know, medical intervention straight intervention here now straight away actually that away and actually taking that holistic approach, talking to people, kind of pragmatic people, that kind of pragmatic compassion , and i think this is compassion, and i think this is maybe a very important first step in actually just kind of detoxifying . perfect. perfectly perfect. >> norman, here's my point. and we had an activist talking about this. and a man who had gone through this transition, and he's now a woman, right, half an hour ago on the, on the program. and he spoke very, very well about it. and he was similar age to us. right. and i was just saying, but where has all this come from and why is it suddenly

an issue now? because my friend, however sympathetic and you're right about people do what they want their bodies and want with their bodies and whatever and whatever it is, when you and i were teenagers, we were younger, as teenagers, we wouldn't have been faced with this every day and had six friends and people you went to school with who want to be a different sex, or a pussycat or something else . something else. >> no, we wouldn't do because the world is entirely different. it's from previous it's follow on from the previous conversations. a matter of fact. i you the impact of i mean, you know, the impact of social media, of tiktok and everything else is much more pronounced. didn't exist everything else is much more pr

elements of society. and, you know, until they're 18 or 16 anyway, they should be very strictly controlled what strictly controlled as to what they can't we come they can and can't do. we come on that later on. i think on to that later on. i think we're talking about whether you should phones. you should have mobile phones. you know, just let know, you can't just let children have everything they want not good for them. >> okay, we're just restricted here the break. going here with the break. we're going to break and we're to take a quick break and we're going and we're going to be back and we're talking the guys again. talking to the guys again. they're giving their on they're giving their views on

>> welcome back. we're going through the papers with norman and oscar this morning. and oscar, you want to talk about shoplifting and a big crackdown being announced yeah. being announced today, yeah. this story. this is quite a big story. i think , because it cuts across think, because it cuts across a few things in terms of when the government latches on to a policy area that actually is the forefront of people's daily lives, often . so they're lives, often. so they're investing 55 million in expanding facial recognition

systems, including mobile screening vans and kind of mass surveillance. and that phrase in itself is quite contagious. people always , you know, people always, you know, orwellian kind of big brother style cctv . they get very nervy style cctv. they get very nervy about that. so i understand that point. however, a kind of, i'd say like a couple of bullets down in terms of this policy that has slightly gone under the radar is actually a new individual recognised, law against assaulting shop workers and retail workers. and you forget during covid, which we you know, it's four years ago almost, you know , they were key almost, you know, they were key workers that kept us going. and i think like a specific bespoke law that protects those people. and of course, this wrap around, you know, surveillance technology will help i think is, is the right thing to do. >> but is this wasted money? >> but is this wasted money? >> because let's be honest, you spend 55 million installing all of this technology upset few

people the process. and then people in the process. and then you the police to you don't have the police to attend. mean, they're not even attend. i mean, they're not even attending burglaries, alone attending burglaries, let alone shoplifting. i've personally witnessed shoplifting in my local and the local supermarket, and the security guard doesn't even try to stop them. it's just so commonplace now. commonplace how. >> commonplace now. >> shoplifting has been >> no. well shoplifting has been decriminalised effectively in this indeed burglary this country as indeed burglary has been to a large degree because i don't know what the police actually do. i was on a tv programme the other day, people saying to me, as a former home office minister, what do the police actually do? i couldn't answer question. i couldn't answer the question. i didn't they do. but didn't know what they do. but anyway, we have mass anyway, so we have got mass surveillance instead police surveillance instead of police deaung surveillance instead of police dealing with their job on the street. >> norman, sorry. took me a moment think what they're moment to think what they're doing. these doing. they're out on these protests weekend. doing. they're out on these prowell, weekend. doing. they're out on these prowell, somerveekend. doing. they're out on these prowell, some ofzkend. doing. they're out on these prowell, some of them are >> well, some of them are football matches well. football matches as well. >> lot of them are doing >> yeah, a lot of them are doing that, that's of the answer. that, that's part of the answer. but i mean, the but look, i mean, the shoplifting is a major problem, it's big time. it's it's developed big time. it's affecting stores. if partly caused own problems by all caused their own problems by all these that these self—checkout things, that they take they encouraged people to take stuff supermarkets, they stuff out of supermarkets, they kind stuff out of supermarkets, they kinyi sometimes feel they do >> i sometimes feel they do price it in.

>> they do, they calculation that a lose stuff from shoplifting they'll save shoplifting and they'll save money staff. that's money on employing staff. that's a calculation supermarkets a calculation the supermarkets have actually have made. so they're actually encouraging shoplifting in many ways they ways by their practices. they have have in terms of the have they have in terms of the new criminal offence about assaulting a shop worker, i mean, course, shop workers mean, of course, shop workers deserve proper protection, but of course , assaults originally of course, assaults originally and now a crime , i mean, and the and now a crime, i mean, and the courts can take into account aggravated factors such as the fact that they're helping the public. fact that they're helping the pubuc.so fact that they're helping the public. so i'm slightly concerned that we're ending up picking and choosing groups of people protect . picking and choosing groups of people protect. i mean, people to protect. i mean, what about railway people about railway workers or people on whatever ? you know, on buses or whatever? you know, they're not especially protected. just we have protected. i just think we have to we've got to make sure we've got sufficient police sufficient numbers of police there. treat they treat there. and they treat they treat people properly and they investigate charge investigate matters and charge people they're committing people when they're committing assaults, to talk about assaults, you want to talk about the floods, oscar, in west sussex ? well, just the past sussex? well, just the past couple of days, we're going to be talking about this towards the end of the programme today as well, which is that i don't

know if, know, viewers, i'd know if, you know, viewers, i'd probably a moment if probably take a moment to if obviously, if you're not directly affected, but if you're not to look at your, not just to have a look at your, you know, your local, you know, sorry, national newspaper sorry, your national newspaper or channel on, the or get a tv channel on, the images are desperately, desperately sad and i think the media has done a really, really good job on this. >> i've in the media reports i've seen, they've taken individual testimonies from people affected. and i think these are record level water levels. i think over 200 homes have been totally evacuated and you see the absolute heartbreaking destruction of people's built lives. yeah. and it is terribly, terribly sad. and, you know , there was an old and, you know, there was an old couple who've lived in their house. i was reading the paper for, you know, something like 60 years. and it's in complete ruins. and it's very, very sad story. eamonn well, all very sad. so. right. climate change. yes. maybe. perhaps. yes, probably. yeah. but flood

defences. i mean, there just isn't the for money them. we're not doing them. i mean, apparently west sussex, one side of a river flooded, and the other side, not because it had paid for the defences and the in the area, but the money just doesn't exist in the budget. >> i wonder if we'll see a i mean, all i would say is, if you're a cabinet minister or someone in the government and someone in the government and someone is advising you to go up there with a broom and mop, don't do it. >> we don't want that picture . >> we don't want that picture. >> we don't want that picture. >> you don't. you've seen it time and time again. a politician gets sent to kind politician gets sent up to kind of, know, muck in help of, you know, muck in and help out. they are quite rightly out. and they are quite rightly often met with, why didn't you do is not do more before? this is not a photo op for you, buddy. >> you know, norman, should we talk about the public finances? rachel lots of rachel reeves is getting lots of coverage last days, coverage in the last few days, and talking well, and she's talking about, well, basically there'll be basically claiming there'll be such they when if such a mess when they when if they get power that there they get into power that there won't any relief for public won't be any relief for public sector workers, because, you know, just broke. know, there's just we're broke. >> 2010, when know, there's just we're broke. >> coalition 2010, when know, there's just we're broke. >> coalition took, 2010, when know, there's just we're broke. >> coalition took, took 010, when know, there's just we're broke. >> coalition took, took office, 1en the coalition took, took office, there was a note left from liam

byrne was a note saying, sorry, there's no money left, and i think they know at time think they know at this time we'll say so. there's no money left. here's big bill for left. and here's a big bill for all money to be borrowed, all the money to be borrowed, it's going even worse. it's going to be even worse. there any money. and there isn't any money. and rachel reeves and her team have made virtue not committed rachel reeves and her team have many virtue not committed rachel reeves and her team have many spending not committed rachel reeves and her team have many spending beyondnmitted rachel reeves and her team have many spending beyond toryted to any spending beyond tory spending tory spending plans. the tory spending plans. the tory spending plans, by the way, also include massive cuts to public expenditure election. include massive cuts to public exjunless'e election. include massive cuts to public exjunless we're election. include massive cuts to public exjunless we're goingelection. include massive cuts to public exjunless we're goingeleyseei. so unless we're going to see that reversed, we're going to have labour introducing have to have labour introducing notes. a trap for notes. it's a bit of a trap for them, and the reality that them, and the reality is that what proposed in terms what labour's proposed in terms of money is, is chicken of raising money is, is chicken feet. to be honest, i mean, 5 billion from tax avoidance billion from from tax avoidance crackdown like a lot of crackdown sounds like a lot of money. it isn't. i mean, that's a fraction of what was lost on ppe equipment, for example. >> so very hard to do. it's all black money. well, i think you can claw it back. >> and it doesn't help the >> and it doesn't help that the treasury's so treasury's laws are so complicated. are loopholes complicated. there are loopholes appearing here, there and everywhere. know, everywhere. but you know, the fact the matter is that tax fact of the matter is that tax avoidance a serious issue. avoidance is a serious issue. and right to identify and she's right to identify that. billion won't go anywhere. >> no. >> no.

>> just zooming out a tiny bit. what the party very what the labour party are very actually, cynically, actually, you know, cynically, cleverly, to cleverly, however you want to phrase they're repeating phrase it, they're not repeating past mistakes previous past mistakes of previous general campaigns . general election campaigns. where it is slow, it is prudent. they don't give an inch for anything that could be seen, as you know, particularly after the green, you know, 28 billion u—turn. >> and you think and do you >> and do you think and do you think rather than promise the world, they've got world, they realise they've got a 20 point lead in the polls and they. >> exactly. they have to promise anything cautious about this. they can have fun with they can they can have fun with this. they have to this. you know, they have to promise thing. they have promise a thing. they just have to steady, solid. and to be slow, steady, solid. and that's right, oscar, don't that's it. right, oscar, i don't know you feel angry, know how often you feel angry, but, advice , about but, here's good advice, about what you should do. go for a run , take a few deep breaths, scream into a pillow . are the scream into a pillow. are the sort of things the strategies tried and tested and japanese scientists have found effective ways of dealing with anger. where do you stand on those ? where do you stand on those? >> not all at the same time, right? okay, just to clarify. okay anger.

>> anger. i'm just imagining you're inside downing street. it's all this pressure with partygate and boris. oh just hang on a minute, guys. i'm just going for a run. >> i'm just going to sit in a dark room, turn all the lights off, and. yeah, listen to moby or something. i think that's probably what how i would deal with that is, that is with anger. but that is, that is quite interesting. i think a serious point, eamonn. think, serious point, eamonn. i think, anger amongst men, can anger amongst younger men, can lead unresolved and serious lead to unresolved and serious problems . and, you know, any problems. and, you know, any advice to let it out rather than implode and keep it in? >> apparently if you write a letter to release your anger, you have to make sure you throw that letter away or otherwise benefits . yeah. stand. benefits. yeah. stand. >> what i would say is that when i was an mp, people used to in at beginning of time as at the beginning of my time as an you received letters from an mp, you received letters from constituents. they were letters. yeah. were able yeah. and what people were able to do was to write a letter. they get it out of system. they get it out of their system. they get it out of their system. they letter up and they then tear the letter up and rewrite and send it in to rewrite it and send it in to you. whereas now what happens with an mp is someone comes back from pub at ten minutes to

from the pub at ten minutes to midnight and sends off a vitriolic, email, which midnight and sends off a vitriwouldn't email, which midnight and sends off a vitriwouldn't do email, which midnight and sends off a vitriwouldn't do ifmail, which midnight and sends off a vitriwouldn't do if they which midnight and sends off a vitriwouldn't do if they were1 you wouldn't do if they were having letter. having to write a letter. >> right. >> right? right. >> right? right. >> see you mean? >> see what you mean? >> see what you mean? >> they're worse then with >> they're not worse then with that, are there any really sorry. that, are there any really sor|i. i'm interrupting you >> i mean, i'm interrupting you there. no. are any, like, there. no. are there any, like, little seemingly little tiny, seemingly unimportant things in that unimportant things in life that make angry than they should? >> oh, don't that. >> oh, don't ask that. >> oh, don't ask that. >> it. >> i've opened it. >> i've opened it. >> yeah, think there are a lot >> yeah, i think there are a lot letter. makes me angry, you know, i mean, talking know, people, i mean, talking about. what makes me quite frightened go through frightened is if you go through a on a friday night or a town on a friday night or whatever, and you watch a fight outside mean, outside a kebab shop, i mean, that's that i would that's really anger that i would never there's lots of never possess. there's lots of things a could of anger things that a could of anger for. but wanting stick for. but wanting to stick a knife in someone or, you know, a football match as well. i mean, you i'm very passionate you know, i'm very passionate about football. i don't want to smash bottle over somebody's head. >> i think road rage is a funny one. i can driving along in one. i can be driving along in the car. husband be the car. my husband will be driving. he's a mild mannered, lovely, tempered lovely, sweet tempered person. and he's really and then suddenly he's really angry. and i'm like, what? angry. and i'm like, babe, what? >> chill just >> yeah. chill out. they just pulled out. >> bring that out in >> but you bring that out in him. >> e- e i don't i don't think

>> no, he i don't i don't think i suffer with road rage. i get annoyed other but annoyed by other things. but i do think it's funny how the brits chuck their manners brits chuck all their manners out the window. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. >> and i annoyed by >> and i get annoyed by something rather rather minor, but annoy in a time. but it does annoy me in a time. stupid announcements on trains. oh, say sorted. oh, yeah. see it say it sorted. i how patronising is i mean, it's how patronising is that? goes and on and that? it goes on and on and announcements please take announcements saying please take announcements saying please take a to inspect the safety a moment to inspect the safety net end of the carriage. net at the end of the carriage. who in the world has ever done that? yeah, yeah, just shut up. >> especially even more >> especially the even more annoying in nice annoying if you're in a nice doze you're asleep. then doze if you're asleep. and then there's announcement the next there's an announcement the next minute be aware there's an announcement the next miniise be aware there's an announcement the next miniis a be aware there's an announcement the next miniis a quiet be aware there's an announcement the next miniis a quiet carriage.ye aware this is a quiet carriage. >> please be aware. carriage quiet is the weather forecast. >> mcgivern, a good >> aidan mcgivern, a very good morning what's in store? morning to you. what's in store? >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar of weather on . gb news. >> hello. very good morning to you. welcome to the latest forecast from the met office. it's a bright start for many of us, but it will turn increasingly cloudy this morning with rain come, with more rain to come, especially across western and

northwestern that's where northwestern parts. that's where the rain is already arriving through the morning. we keep the sunshine in east at least sunshine in the east at least until lunchtime, but it well, it does get squeezed out by thickening cloud and a freshening breeze. along with those outbreaks of rain, the rain will be on and off and mostly light in the south. towards the northwest it will be heavy and persistent, particularly for western scotland where there is a rain warning the saturated warning because of the saturated ground have here. ground we currently have here. temperatures to 15 celsius, temperatures up to 15 celsius, not feeling very pleasant though with the cloud and those outbreaks of rain. however, once the rain does move through, it does drier for a time in does turn drier for a time in the south and southeast, albeit with a lot of low cloud, some hill and then we've got hill fog. and then we've got further outbreaks across further outbreaks of rain across many parts of the country, again, persistent towards again, most persistent towards the of scotland overnight, the west of scotland overnight, but because of the but a mild night because of the southwesterly wind and the extensive cloud cover. some places no lower than 12 or 13 celsius. now thursday morning starts off with those grey leaden skies staying damp and

gloomy in the south, as well as the far northeast in between. the cloud does break up for a time, so some sunshine coming through for scotland, for northeast england, for example, and feeling considerably warmer. temperatures up to 18 or 19 celsius in the east before further rain comes along later. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> very good morning to you. it is 7:00. it's wednesday, the 10th of april, very good to have you on board. david and isabel with breakfast news here on gb views. it's a landmark review into gender care. has revealed thousands of children let down by the nhs through a shocking lack of research on treatments given to those questioning their

genden >> tory backlash against the latest echr ruling, which means individuals can sue for a breach of human rights if britain fails to meet their net zero targets. >> us among conservative mps, momentum is building to quit the echr. momentum is building to quit the echr . but what does rishi sunak echr. but what does rishi sunak make of it all? find out more with me very soon. >> 7:30 we're going to be talking to the shadow home secretary, yvette cooper, about labour's plans to breathe new life into the high street . life into the high street. >> campaigner and former postmaster alan bates hits out at his former bosses as thugs in suits, as the post office inquiry reveals the full extent of the scandal . and we'll be of the scandal. and we'll be speaking to a former subpostmaster, janet skinner , in subpostmaster, janet skinner, in just a moment. >> and 720 young people becoming pnced >> and 720 young people becoming priced out of the housing market, more and more are relying on the bank of mum and dad. but is that the right way to go? >> it might be a bright start

out there for some of us, but more rain is on the way. however, we'll also turn a bit warmer over the next couple of days. full details with me in the forecast coming up. >> so our top story this morning. the nhs has been ordered to review gender care for children following a damning and landmark report. >> well, this was the cass review and it found no evidence that the use of blockers, which delay puberty led to better mental health outcomes . mental health outcomes. >> the author of the report, doctor hilary cass, had this to say it's all unregulated drugs. >> you know, they're all unlicensed, whether it's puberty blockers or cross—sex hormones. they're unlicensed drugs used experimentally for children and adolescents with gender dysphoria or gender distress. and so if you're offering these drugs with no diagnosis, no

assessment , even, and no follow assessment, even, and no follow up, no monitoring, no blood tests, then you're, you know , tests, then you're, you know, the risk of, you know, patient safety is huge. >> an hour ago on the programme , >> an hour ago on the programme, we spoke to diversity inclusion facilitator katy jon went live and she struck a big note with a lot of you and, people saying, finally, anna says, finally, someone that talks common sense. very interesting. here's what she had to say, the whole process. pi'ocess. >> process. >> but quite some time ago, and i think the report is mainly concerned about teenagers. it's not concerned about adults like me who did it in later years and took a long, long time making up their mind about it. and definitely for someone like me who felt it from a very, very young age indeed, hilary cass actually there is still actually does say there is still evidence is can be the evidence that it is can be the right thing some people who right thing for some people who have persistently it a have persistently felt it from a young age. and some the young age. and some of the evidence on cross—sex hormones

shows that it does leave to somebody having a better life and someone having reduced distress, she doesn't turn distress, etc. she doesn't turn around and kind of say that transgender doesn't exist. she doesn't turn around and say that gender identity, gender dysphoria, gender incongruence, whatever you want to call it. and the name changes kind of every edition of the dsm or the icd, the classifications of diseases , she doesn't say that diseases, she doesn't say that it doesn't exist. she just say that we need to be cautious, extremely cautious. now, perhaps that's the difference between now and the and the earlier version and other people's looks at this. we need to be extremely cautious when dealing with kids. obviously there's no actual kind of with kids . what of intervention with kids. what we're talking about is teenagers going puberty and going through puberty and putting puberty on pause. i think the language that puberty goes on pause with puberty blockers is kind of pretty much gone good around this. gone for good around this. everyone acknowledges gone for good around this. everyone put acknowledges gone for good around this. everyone put a acknowledges gone for good around this. everyone put a if acknowledges gone for good around this. everyone put a if you owledges gone for good around this. everyone put a if you putadges that if you put a if you put a teenager on a puberty blocker, not saying it doesn't exist , but not saying it doesn't exist, but she's not saying exactly it does

exist to the extent that it has been listened to and treated so far. no, exactly. and she rightly says that we need to look at all of the other causes and, and that it is a, it is a mental distress. and where there are other causes, we need to be really cautious that we're not treating some other cause with the transgender and the transgender solution. and i 100% agree with that. we know that up to three quarters of people who are kind of are going through gender distress aren't actually what we would have called transgender in the old school kind of diagnosis. the fact that we're diagnosing it youngen fact that we're diagnosing it younger, but then giving an aduu younger, but then giving an adult treatment to it is, is where the kind of the issue is. and and, and she's talking about the fact that there's a very kind of constructive i think it's constructive. many trans people won't. and i only speak for myself. i don't represent a trans community. she sees it as a very constructive approach, suggesting that should to suggesting that this should to shift cross—disciplinary kind suggesting that this should to shi paediatric disciplinary kind suggesting that this should to shi paediatric basis linary kind suggesting that this should to shi paediatric basis foriry kind suggesting that this should to shi paediatric basis for this,nd of, paediatric basis for this, that there should be long term

very slow support. she uses the word unhurried, which i think is actually very sensible, which what we used to talk about ten years plus back ago was the watch and wait aspect. and it needs to be moving back to that and reaction to katie, john, david says, what a breath of fresh air to hear her views. >> bravo i finally, someone that >> bravo! finally, someone that speaks with sense and the trans debate a voice of reason. very measured and balanced, sean says the number of people with genuine gender dysphoria is probably much rarer than the 1 in 50 that schools claim to be trans, and that is an issue that, that we will put again, to katie jones when we have her live on the show because, is this figure blown out of all proportion, or is it an indulgence ? it's, what do you think? >> yeah, and there's lots of coverage of this landmark case in the papers, which we'll be covering later on, but just to

point to one story inside the mail, which talks from the parents point of view, they went to see their daughter get a school prize, and it was handed to a boy called tommy. highlighting the way parents have kept dark as have been kept in the dark as children have been going through this process. >> the girl was called untreated as at school, but was not. as tommy at school, but was not. the parents were totally unaware of this, so they've set up their own little way of dealing with with all of this. but you see the business. what do we do with the business. what do we do with the ones who say, i'm a pussycat and i want a tray, to what do they do with the tray? do they're put in the tray or what they're put in the tray or what the heck? what are they asking for? a tray for whatever. so. so then what happens to these people say, i to be people who say, i want to be treated as cat at the moment? treated as a cat at the moment? do they end up cats in life, or do they get to, you know, six months down the line? >> common sense has to prevail and it feels like this landmark case review certainly is the case or review certainly is the first time some sanity has been breathed into this debate, which has become so toxic.

>> it as widespread as it's >> is it as widespread as it's made out to be? and should it be as respected and as it seems to be in schools and things and everybody's afraid to cause offence , you're watching the offence, you're watching the channel that's not afraid to cause offence. so get in touch today. gbnews.com forward slash your sane. >> now to on another controversial topic this morning the energy secretary claire coutinho, has led a conservative backlash against the echr. the european court of human rights latest landmark ruling. >> so they're based in strasbourg and they've ruled that switzerland is violating human rights, over their lack of inaction on climate change. now, this comes after a poll in the telegraph, which revealed that nearly 50% of conservative voters approve of getting out of the echr. >> well, let's speak to our political correspondent , olivia political correspondent, olivia utley about all of this. big questions about what this means for us in the uk. could we see people suing the government if we meet our targets? and

we don't meet our targets? and also does this actually, because also does this actually, because a lot of people will think it's nonsense. give rishi sunak a get out of jail free card if you like, with his rwanda plans and say look, this is nonsense. the echr to get out of it. echr time to get out of it. well, i think there's two very interesting questions as well. >> firstly, yes, i think >> and firstly, yes, i think there is a very real chance that this landmark ruling in switzerland could end up affecting people in the uk . affecting people in the uk. essentially, what happened in switzerland is eight older women went to the european court of human rights and claimed that their right to a private and family life, which is protected under the echr, had been impinged upon by the fact that the swiss government hadn't acted quickly on climate change. they said that their particular demographic, older women, were most susceptible to heat waves , most susceptible to heat waves, and one of them claimed that she hadnt and one of them claimed that she hadn't been able to leave her house for three weeks because of a heat wave . now, the echr ruled a heat wave. now, the echr ruled that indeed, their right to a

private and family life had been disrupted and you could see a situation down the line that that ruling is now legally binding. you can see a situation down the line where somebody in the uk, some climate activist in the uk, some climate activist in the uk, some climate activist in the uk, tries to sue the uk government for not reaching its net zero commitments, which as we know are have now been enshrined in law. that is a situation that the government really does not want to see, and there are plenty of conservative mps who are pushing to leave the echr , as you say, isabel, echr, as you say, isabel, there's another question going on here about whether actually this is quite helpful for rishi sunak rishi sunak personally probably isn't too keen on the echr because it is the final stumbling block, really, in getting his rwanda plan. his, his, landmark rwanda plan through, government and actually into action. so could this be a sign that rishi sunak is actually shifting the government's position on the echr? previously, the government

has been over staying in the echr. but claire coutinho, the energy secretary, is a very close personal ally of rishi sunak's. if she is beginning to say isn't now the time to get out, could that be rishi sunak? testing the ground to see if his party is ready to put that on their manifesto? >> well, that's the question we'll put out there today and ask you at home, watching and listening what you think. yes, and just put up how they get in touch here. >> it's gbnews.com forward slash your say. and helena has already had her say on all of this. she said more people actually die from the cold than from the heat.is from the cold than from the heat. is the echr also going to rule against countries not doing enough mitigate against enough to mitigate against cold weather of you? also, weather and lots of you? also, just saying enough is enough time to leave the echr. let us know what you think. >> the post office it scandal next. former subpostmaster alan bates. he took centre stage yesterday and he said that ex post office executives are little more than thugs in suits.

he said at the inquiry yes, it's been investigating how the post office wrongly prosecuted more than 900 subpostmasters, all caused by errors in the horizon it software system . this is what it software system. this is what he had to say. >> they need disbanding , it >> they need disbanding, it needs removing, it needs building up again from the ground floor. and, as i've been quoted quite commonly , the whole quoted quite commonly, the whole of the whole of the postal service nowadays it's beyond it's a dead duck, it's beyond saving. it needs a real big injection of money. and i think that can only happen coming in from outside. otherwise it's just going to be it's going to be a bugbear for the government, for the years to come. >> we could not talk to former subpostmistress and victim of this whole scandal, subpostmistress and victim of this whole scandal , janet this whole scandal, janet skinner. janet. hello. good morning to you. well i want to see you pop up on telly. janet. i always feel. i just feel so sorry for you, for all that you went through . and they said that

went through. and they said that you had fiddled £59,000. you were sent to prison for three months. then you were released with an electronic tag . but then with an electronic tag. but then eventually that whole conviction squashed it and taken away by the court of appeal. three years ago, the whole stress of that , ago, the whole stress of that, led you to spend time in hospital and even to the point where you lost the use of your legs. you were paralysed. you had to learn to walk again . i had to learn to walk again. i just i just have to put it out there for people just just so they know that was what happened to you. awful, awful, awful. i don't know how you rebuild your life after that. did alan bates do anything for you yesterday at this inquiry ? this inquiry? >> i think alan just said it as it was yesterday and how and what he's been saying for years and what we've all been saying for years , to be fair, i think for years, to be fair, i think a lot of us are singing from the same issues in relation to the establishment itself, same issues in relation to the establishment itself , the way establishment itself, the way

that it's broken, i think, i, i do think it needs reforming, but you also have to take into account the, the people who are still running the, general post offices now . offices now. >> yeah, it was interesting the way he described the post office executives as thugs in suits. and he's been saying over the last few days in interviews as well, that he really thinks that these bonuses, these executives have been paid should be clawed back. how do you feel about that ? >> ?i >> it ? >> it should 7 >> it should never have received a bonus. how do you receive a bonus for putting thousands , bonus for putting thousands, thousands of families in to poverty vie people into prison? people commit suicide . and how people commit suicide. and how do you compensate people for that? there being paid bonuses, it's like they're being compensated for bad behaviour, but no more than bad behaviour. >> janet lying. i mean, these executives , i mean yesterday in

executives, i mean yesterday in the evidence, it just showed them to be liar after liar and then come in in front of politicians and making statements. no, i knew nothing about this. no, we were never aware of this. whatever. when tape recordings exist of them being briefed on this very subject. >> yeah, well , that was, >> yeah, well, that was, obviously that's from, second sight. and that was the investigation in 2013. and that way that is when paula vennells had a perfect opportunity to right the wrongs of her predecessors. and all she chose to do was to sit, lie , lie, and to do was to sit, lie, lie, and just cover up the truth where she could have dealt with that years ago. so for whatever comes her way now, i have to be honest, it's the wrong personal doing. she's got no one to blame for that but herself . for that but herself. >> janet, would you say after what you've gone through to and be put in jail and everything else that that happened to you , else that that happened to you, do you think that it's only right proper that someone

right and proper that someone who's proven to have lied like that again should face a sentence ? sentence? >> there's going to be i think there's going to be a few. and i wouldn't like to see that one person just be scapegoated for the whole thing. a lot of this happened under under the watch of the royal mail. a lot of prosecutions happened under the watch of the royal mail. people sent to prison during that penod sent to prison during that period of time. so, i mean, it was only split in 2012 when the royal mail was privatised . royal mail was privatised. >> janet, how are you? just as we leave you. it's one thing you know. this is a moment in time. something covered in the news. i tried to outline what you went through. how do you get on with your life now? how is your life now? how are you . you have to. now? how are you. you have to. you have no choice. you have to get on it. you are. you either move on or it just breaks you completely , and that happened to completely, and that happened to me, like, in two thousand and seven, 2008, i'm actually

attending the inquiry on friday, because there was a number of people that i want to see give evidence, so it's just i'm just waiting for the day that people are held accountable for what they've done . they've done. >> well, janet skinner, good luck with all that you do . and i luck with all that you do. and i hope that the inquiry goes your way. on friday as you're attending as well. and thanks for telling us your story this morning. >> thank you. janet thank you. >> thank you. janet thank you. >> okay. the time's 716. let's have a look at some of the other stories coming into the newsroom this the william this morning. and the mp william wragg, from wragg, has resigned from the conservative party after admitting gave his colleagues admitting he gave his colleagues phone numbers a suspected phone numbers to a suspected scammer. now sit as an scammer. he'll now sit as an independent in the commons. independent mp in the commons. wragg claimed wragg has claimed he was manipulated sharing other manipulated into sharing other politicians numbers as politicians personal numbers as part of a westminster sixteen scam . scam. >> britain has taken part in the largest international airdrop of aid into gaza to mark the end of ramadan fasting period. 14 aircrafts from nine countries helped deliver essential food

and water over a two week period, the royal air force has dropped over 53 tonnes of aid into gaza as britain works to ramp up deliveries by land, sea and air, and the princess of wales is now officially the uk's most popular royal. >> a yougov poll found that over 75% of respondents have a positive view of princess catherine, with prince william only slightly behind his wife. at 73. last month, she revealed she's been diagnosed with cancer and is undergoing treatment away from the public . eye. time now from the public. eye. time now for the weather forecast . here's for the weather forecast. here's aidan mcgivern . aidan mcgivern. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news . news. news. news. >> hello. very good morning to welcome to the latest forecast from the met office. it's a

bright start for many of us, but it will turn increasingly cloudy this morning with more rain to come, especially across western and that's come, especially across western and the that's come, especially across western and the rain that's come, especially across western and the rain is that's come, especially across western and the rain is already'hat's where the rain is already arriving through the morning. we keep the sunshine in the east at least until lunchtime, but well , least until lunchtime, but well, it does get squeezed out by thickening cloud and freshening breeze. along with those outbreaks of rain. the rain will be on and off and mostly light in the south. towards the northwest it will be heavy and persistent, particularly for western scotland, is western scotland, where there is a warning because the a rain warning because of the saturated currently saturated ground we currently have temperatures are up have here. temperatures are up to 15 celsius. not feeling very pleasant though, with the cloud and those outbreaks of rain. however, once the rain does move through, it does turn drier for a time. the south and a time. in the south and southeast, albeit with a lot of low cloud. hill fog . and low cloud. some hill fog. and then we've got further outbreaks of across many of the of rain across many parts of the country, most persistent country, again, most persistent towards west of scotland. towards the west of scotland. overnight but a mild night because of the southwesterly wind and the extensive cloud coven wind and the extensive cloud cover. some places no lower than

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house prices. they always seem to be on the rise, don't they? they went up by half percent in the first three months of this yeah the first three months of this year. it means average house pnces year. it means average house prices have reached a staggering £282,000. well look for somewhere in london. >> yeah. nothing begins , you see >> yeah. nothing begins, you see anywhere new in london. it begins at 600,000. that's basically what you get for one bedroom, one bedroom apartment. that's what you get. it's absolutely incredible. yeah, it'd be no shock to many of you that a third of first time buyers now depend on their parents, the bank of mum and dad, to actually get on the property ladder. >> yeah, and how lucky those people are to have that option, because of course, it's not available to everybody . but available to everybody. but should judging people who should we be judging people who do benefit from the bank of mum and dad? is it fair that their parents are helping them? there's debate around there's a bit of a debate around all this. i mean, who would all of this. i mean, who would turn down help from their parents it's available? parents if it's available? absolutely. shouldn't

absolutely. why shouldn't parents their good parents pass on their good fortune they've got spare cash? >> well, the parents have other things do with that money. things to do with that money. they have to end up doing they just have to end up doing what have to do. let's what they have to do. let's speak property guru russell speak to property guru russell clark mae clark and broadcaster anna mae mangan , about this. morning mangan, about this. good morning guys. what do you think? >> you know, i think it's the natural order of things. i mean, i don't think the bank of mum and dad is something particularly new, really. i mean, you know, quite a while back when i was 18 or 19 and i bought my first property, my dad helped me with a bit of deposit. so i think, it's pretty usual, and of course, look, we should understand that there's a lot of property, wealth in britain, so about 62% of all homes are owned by the occupier. so the majority of homes are owned, and actually a third of homes don't even have a third of homes don't even have a mortgage. so the equity that we have in uk property is literally in the trillions of pounds. and as a consequence, if you're sitting there as a 50 or 60 year old with a property worth whatever , six, seven, worth whatever, six, seven, £800,000 unencumbered, why

shouldn't you take some of that and give it to your children? i mean, frankly, you do it when it comes to their first car. you do it when it comes to their education. it's trickle down and i think it's absolutely normal and totally and utterly acceptable. >> well, let's get the thoughts of anna mae mangan, a mum of four. but you do not think parents should be financially helping their kids out at all. >> well, i think it's a sad fact that a lot of parents actually can't help their kids out. if i won the lottery, i'd buy them a home, a holiday home, a car, anything at all. they wanted a ski chalet in switzerland, but if you don't have those resources, i think it's up to the government to have a scheme for these first time buyers where they lend them 125, even 130% of what the property's worth, so they can cover all their costs and get into property without bleeding dry and squeezing the pips of family. and when it comes to the bank of mum and dad, it's a lot of them are subsidiaries. it's

godparents, aunts , uncles, godparents, aunts, uncles, siblings have to in siblings who have to chip in because lot people , they because a lot of people, they might have a home, but they don't the cash . don't have the spare cash. >> godparents haven't heard of >> godparents i haven't heard of godparents in help godparents chipping in to help people buy their first property. that very, very generous . that sounds very, very generous. yeah. okay. >> well, russell, do you know what think? what i think? >> mae? think it's >> anna mae? i think it's interesting you talk about, you know, should be know, there should be governmental help and all of this. you look at the this. but when you look at the market, just build these market, they just build these apartment blocks. they build them everywhere. they're happening belfast, happening in leeds, in belfast, in london, they're in london, wherever they're happening everywhere and they're all sold or all all being sold or they're all taking bids. they're not not, not people who live in the not the people who live in the uk. they're people from uk. they're all people from china people from russia and china and people from russia and people and the thing is, i suppose here, russell, is they don't care who buys them. nobody seems to care who buys them as long as they're sold. >> well, look, if you're a developer and you build 100 flats for profit, well, then of course you don't care who buys them, of course there's an argument then that, you know, a lot of those properties are left empty. look, that's what's empty. but look, that's what's

called right? so called a free market, right? so i think there's anything i don't think there's anything wrong that. governments, wrong with that. governments, of course, over the years have intervened know, can intervened and, you know, can now the owners of those now charge the owners of those properties on council properties multiples on council tax. actually agree with tax. i actually don't agree with that. i think if that. you know, i think if you've got the money to buy a property anywhere in the world, you be allowed do so. you should be allowed to do so. but back to anna mayes, but sorry. back to anna mayes, quite remarkable quite interesting and remarkable suggestion that the government should first time should be helping all first time buyers. a they already have. >> actually, i mean, the >> so actually, i mean, the banks, schemes like banks, there are schemes like help and course first help to buy and of course first time up to about £400,000 time buyers up to about £400,000 purchase even purchase price don't even pay stamp purchase price don't even pay sta|so first, should you be >> so first, should you be paying >> so first, should you be paying duty at all? paying stamp duty at all? >> an immoral. that's an >> that's an immoral. that's an immoral there was one. one. >> one. >> i agree stamp duty was introduced to, fight off, the threat of war from france back in the 17th century. would you believe? i don't think that's such a threat anymore. so, yes, you're right. we don't need stamp duty anymore. could the government be with government be clever with inheritance well? inheritance tax as well? >> you're talking about >> because you're talking about all tied up in these all this equity tied up in these properties. but a vast proportion of that going properties. but a vast proto rtion of that going properties. but a vast proto then of that going properties. but a vast proto the treasury going properties. but a vast proto the treasury when1g properties. but a vast proto the treasury when these go to the treasury when these people rather than get people die, rather than get

passed the children, which passed on to the children, which would them be able would actually help them be able to children. you to help their children. you know, these these taxes around property helpful know, these these taxes around pry social helpful know, these these taxes around pry social mobility. helpful in social mobility. >> no. but amy is right. stamp duty is far worse than inheritance tax. inheritance tax only applies to about 4% of people that pass away. stamp duty , of course. i'll just duty, of course. i'll just interrupt you. can i say something? you were let off the hook as a first time buyer. stamp duty brings in £15 billion a year treasury. it's a a year to the treasury. it's a tax on aspiration. it's a tax on wealth. a tax on, you know , wealth. it's a tax on, you know, i like to say is a lot of a lot of these young people are actually that are actually paying rents that are higher would be in mortgages. >> so that's why they need the help. that's why they won't then have their parents. have to fleece their parents. and would also add, there's a and i would also add, there's a lot of young people have very lot of young people have a very entitled attitude their entitled attitude to their parents buy flat . parents helping them buy a flat. they've a lot of them choose a degree. that's mickey mouse. they have a job that they choose, a job that can't pay to support a mortgage. so i think there's a reality check here and where they want to live. i mean,

obviously they can't live in prime if they're only prime london if they're only working as a part time music producer. know, there's producer. you know, there's a lot factors here that lot of factors here that children to the children have to take the responsibility to fund their own lifestyle up to a point, and no one has a right to two parents do it because they want little johnny, who's 40, sat johnny, who's 40, and sat between them the sofa. no one between them on the sofa. no one out of time, folks. >> they've to say goodbye to >> they've got to say goodbye to you. thank you for raising you. but thank you for raising the debate we'll get people the debate and we'll get people at contributing with at home, contributing with their comments this . that comments on all of this. that was russell quirk and anna may mangan there. >> stay tuned to gb news breakfast. we've got a first coming up. we're welcoming the shadow home secretary, yvette cooper onto the channel. first interview we've done with her. we're

gb news. >> something that we go on about on this show all the time is the state of high streets, nail

bars, estate agents , no parking. bars, estate agents, no parking. >> things that close up. when i was in glasgow at the weekend. and actually, i'll tell you what. well, it was no different than belfast. it's no different than belfast. it's no different than anywhere else. wimbledon anywhere. you see shops anywhere. you just see shops that that are boarded up. that are that are boarded up. and why is that and how tough is it? i mean , if someone said to it? i mean, if someone said to you, isabel, open up a nail bar, open up a shop on a high street, why would you do it? >> why would you do it? rights >> why would you do it? rights >> well, labour are attaching themselves to this one, and they think have a policy about think they have a policy about it. out and about. shopping it. and out and about. shopping today, shadow secretary today, the shadow home secretary we yvette cooper and we go live to yvette cooper and yvette were are you today and why you there ? why are you there? >> morning, eamonn. i'm actually speaking to you this morning from castleford , where our town from castleford, where our town centre is being hit, just like many right across the country. later today we're going to be in stockton and to talking residents, talking to shoppers there about the real ways in which our high streets have been

hit. as you said, we've had you know, banks close, banks pull out of town centres completely. so there's nowhere for people to for small businesses to be able to take their cash. we've seen shops be boarded up, small businesses under real pressure and also a complete absence of local police. the community patrols we used to see all gone. massive increase in shoplifting, a big increase in attacks on shop workers. big increase in criminal damage in our town centres . so then shoppers don't centres. so then shoppers don't feel safe and they stay away. this is not on. it's really damaging to the heart of our communities . and that's why communities. and that's why labouris communities. and that's why labour is setting out a plan to scrap and replace business rates, to get banking hubs in our towns , and to get our towns, and to get neighbourhood police patrols back in our town centres so they feel safe again. >> and how are you going to scrap the business rates? what are going to replace them with? >> so the idea is to replace the business rates with a much fairer system of business taxation that actually has a proper level playing field between the shops that we see,

but also the online businesses that currently you've got online giants that as a result don't pay giants that as a result don't pay their fair share. and that means you've not got a level playing field that those high street shops that we want to support end up being penalised . support end up being penalised. and why we have to have a and that's why we have to have a new system place . of course, new system in place. of course, we'll need to consult that we'll need to consult on that and rachel will be our and rachel reeves will be our labour shadow chancellor will be leading process. but we leading that process. but we have been clear we just have to end this failing system of business rates that's hitting our centres so hard . our town centres so hard. >> i think that is real politics, because that is real life that you're talking about. and i often i look at this and i think nobody cares, nobody cares if the local optician is forced out of business to be replaced by a tesco express. it's always the big the big companies get in there boots and tesco and whoever else it happens to be. and the small independent

traders , no one cares. no one's traders, no one cares. no one's there acting for them. greedy landlords. so we've got all that. we get all that picture there. but economic hinckley and i can see what this does to your heart and your soul and the way you view your locality. but business wise as well. does it cost the economy what's happening? >> i think it really does . and, >> i think it really does. and, you know, i mean, i think people do care. i think people do care if they lose their local shops, local businesses and, you know, we just know in the heart of our towns, if we've got the local market traders as the local small businesses, they're the people who are actively involved in street. in the local high street. actually, often , very actually, people often, very often small supermarkets in often want small supermarkets in their and so on as their town centres. and so on as well. that is really important. and, you know, of us need to and, you know, all of us need to be able to go to supermarkets as well. but you're right that those small businesses that can be really what drives the local economy. it's about the economy. vie and it's about the local and i think you're local economy and i think you're right about people caring. >> absolutely agree. people care . sure that politicians . i'm not sure that politicians care or they care. local

care or they can care. local councils , for example. and councils, for example. and parking massive issue that parking is a massive issue that i think you have to tackle in that, that all all that you're doing here as well. and i think rather than employ parking wardens, people who prevent parking happening, wardens, people who prevent parking happening , there should parking happening, there should be parking facilitators, there should be people on the street saying, right, mrs. cooper, in here, if you can give you 15 minutes here, as long as you're out in 15 minutes and they find a space for you and the street moves on and a friendliness instead of a hostility, you're not welcome here. you can't park here. out here. and here. don't get out here. and that's that's what i think. >> well, you definitely want people to feel welcome in the town centres, but that's of town centres, but that's one of the reasons pushing for the reasons we're pushing for 13,000 neighbourhood 13,000 more neighbourhood police across the country, including guaranteed town centre patrols , guaranteed town centre patrols, because actually one of the things that is keeping people away and that means that town centres don't feel friendly, is if you've got anti—social behaviour, persistent problems or if you have shoplifters

repeatedly getting away with it because it's often being driven by organised crime. this 30% increase just in the space of a yearin increase just in the space of a year in shoplifting and people just getting away with it. time and again because they aren't the neighbourhood police there. so, so i actually think that's about making people feel safe and friendly and it being welcoming in our centres as well , keeping people out of the town centre as well. >> a labour policy here in london. i want talk to london. but i want to talk to you about a couple of landmark decisions have made in decisions that have been made in the 24 hours. first of all, the last 24 hours. first of all, this one that's come out of the echr yesterday, which will have an here on our own laws an impact here on our own laws in country. almost in this country. it's almost like brexit argument again, like the brexit argument again, should judges have should foreign judges have jurisdiction our laws? this jurisdiction over our laws? this is about climate change. now is all about climate change. now people can use human rights laws to say , hang on a minute, the to say, hang on a minute, the government has failed me and they're reaching our net they're not reaching our net zero targets. do you it's zero targets. do you think it's time out of the echr? time to pull out of the echr? well now, the thing is, look, the tories will always do this. >> they always will. look for

something else to blame and something else to blame and something else to distract from their chaos. and you know, it's not the echr that means we've got a crisis in our nhs or that we've got real problems with energy bills shooting through the roof and not being brought down, which each part of tackling climate change. so, you know, that's they just sort of looking for something else to blame. the thing about the echr is that it's part of the good friday agreement and we need to maintain the good friday agreement and the peace settlement that was reached many years ago. and that needs to be maintained. and it's just about having proper international standards we expect all countries to meet. but i think very often this is used as a distraction from the real problems , which is, you know, problems, which is, you know, look, let's get our economy going, growing properly again. let's tackle the cost of living crisis. let's tackle the crisis in our nhs, all things that labour wants to do that frankly, the tories are failing to do time again and very briefly because i know you have to go. >> but mentioned the nhs

>> but you mentioned the nhs there i just want to ask you there and i just want to ask you about landmark cass review, about this landmark cass review, which has showed that a generation of children, thousands been let thousands of them, have been let down way they've been down in the way they've been treated crises that treated for gender crises that they've been facing. do you think there needs to be think that there needs to be serious asked many serious questions asked in many cases activist cases of these activist organisations have heaped organisations that have heaped pressure nhs organisations that have heaped presindeed nhs organisations that have heaped presindeed on nhs organisations that have heaped presindeed on children? nhs organisations that have heaped presindeed on children? and hs organisations that have heaped presindeed on children? and if; and indeed on children? and if so, what be done about it? so, what can be done about it? >> well, i think this is a really important report, the >> well, i think this is a really report. tant report, the >> well, i think this is a realljreport. i|nt report, the >> well, i think this is a realljreport. i reallyort, the >> well, i think this is a realljreport. i really welcome cass report. i really welcome it. and labour accepts all of the recommendations we think they need to be implemented as rapidly as possible. children and people have been badly and young people have been badly let down. that is what they report finds , because the report finds, because the support for young people has not been based on evidence. and it's really important when you've got children and young people's welfare, there be proper welfare, there has to be proper evidence based, you know, support. there has already been changes made around things like puberty blockers, but we need to make sure that we go further and actually implement the findings of the cass report. it's a

really serious , thoughtful really serious, thoughtful report, and i hope the government will now implement it as rapidly as possible. >> well, shadow home secretary, it's of the high it's the welfare of the high street for you today. good luck on the places you're on all the places you're visiting and for the visiting today. and it's for the community. for shoppers. community. it's for shoppers. it's for everybody. it's for the heart and soul of communities. so good luck. and thank you very much indeed for talking to us today. >> still to come, norman baker, oscar redrup will be here looking what's making the looking at what's making the news the papers. you. news in the papers. see you. nimo

>> coleman, baker and oscar. red drop their opinions on the stories that are floating about in the news today. good morning, gentlemen. and, norman. lord cameron, was in america the past few days. he met president trump, and he, he wasn't, greeted in the us house of representatives. >> no, i mean, look, i mean,

it's a very difficult business for him because he's on record as saying that trump is misogynistic, outcome two men. >> it wasn't the problem. he didn't have a problem with trump i >> -- >> trump. >> trump. >> well, he did mean, i think >> well, he did i mean, i think he probably did a problem with trump because he had to go to trump because he had to go to trump because he had to go to trump because republican trump because the republican party's of party's under the control of trump. he has to therefore trump. and he has to therefore try to get the try to get trump to get the republicans agree to some aid republicans to agree to some aid being for ukraine or being released for ukraine or indeed to think about what might happen. forbid, trump happen. heaven forbid, if trump wins in november, wins the election in november, but record . cameron as but he's on record. cameron as being very critical of trump, quite view, on quite rightly, in my view, on the record, that was the name of his book. >> did you do yes. yeah, indeed. >> and, and, you and, you >> and, and, you know, and, you know, is a mercurial know, trump is a mercurial person and he's and he's completely narcissistic and he's very difficult to deal with. but cameron to go and see him. cameron had to go and see him. but point is that the but the point is that the speaker of the house, mike johnson, meet cameron johnson, didn't meet cameron because been threatened because he's been threatened with being removed from office by some of his more extreme republican colleagues in in in the house. if he meets if he if

he gives way on on ukraine. so is this going to happen or do you think ukraine needs to give up on this aid package? >> and what does that mean for ukraine? it's huge ukraine? because it's a huge amount of cash that they're blocking moment. blocking at the moment. >> a huge amount of cash. >> it's a huge amount of cash. but i mean, i think that zelenskyy himself has said i think probably right, think he's probably right, unless gets money unless he gets some money from the it's probably the us, you know, it's probably game point because game over at some point because the have got endless the russians have got endless amounts and amounts of money and putin doesn't mind russian doesn't mind how many russian soldiers die in the process. >> think trump doesn't like >> i think trump doesn't like giving doesn't know. >> i think that is the brutal reality. i think cameron and we were in the room, were talking in the green room, me and norman, know, me and norman, you know, whatever beliefs, whatever your political beliefs, i is, bit of i think cameron is, is a bit of a class act, actually, and i think that does rub people up some heard him described as some i've heard him described as a rolls royce. >> he is is he he is a >> yeah, he is he is he he is a rolls royce politician in many ways. >> and i think he's actually been quite confident mood. i think know, he's got his think he you know, he's got his feet under the desk and i think he, he, has kind excelled he, he, he has kind of excelled actually of the huge actually on a number of the huge global of the day. i

global issues of the day. and i think that confident spirit that probably raised expectations as to actually possible to what was actually possible with visit, think with this visit, and i think they've down peg with this visit, and i think th

single day of things that are on their doorstep and immediately important to them. and i completely get it. but we must not forget about the situation in ukraine, because it will deeply affect all. deeply impact and affect us all. you many former british you see so many former british army know , army chiefs, you know, intelligence people very high up intelligence people very high up in saying like, in intelligence saying like, we are in a pre war. are we're in a pre war. >> although increasingly i hear people this program people saying on this program they a money they think it's a money laundering behalf of laundering exercise on behalf of ukraine a scam and we ukraine and it's a scam and we shouldn't it. shouldn't support it. >> very dodgy ground. shouldn't support it. >> veryvery dodgy ground. shouldn't support it. >> veryvethinkdgy ground. shouldn't support it. >> very vethink the ground. shouldn't support it. >> veryvethink the chinad. shouldn't support it. >> very vethink the china thing >> very i think the china thing is interesting because what's, what's be very what's china will be very pleased what's happening in pleased with what's happening in ukraine all, ukraine because first of all, russia become and more russia has become more and more dependent china. is dependent on china. and china is the countries here, the countries in charge here, not so that's a very not russia. so that's a very happy situation. secondly, china wants to see happens with wants to see what happens with the whether not they the west and whether or not they can taiwan back. and that's can get taiwan back. and that's the their the consideration in their heads. >> gentlemen, when i was >> okay, gentlemen, when i was young sardines regular young, sardines were a regular feature of cuisine in the holmes household , and they were a cheap household, and they were a cheap sort of commodity. and now that i'm older, the only time i eat

sardines are in posh restaurants. so strange. they become a preserve of the rich. what i'm trying to say. well, necessarily. >> i mean, i might say that for. for a quick lunch at home, tinned sardines on toast is actually rather good. >> yeah, it's very nice. very, very nice. and did the habit very nice. and i did the habit of doing that and i must get back into why should i be back into it. why should i be doing it? >> according to the paper, >> well, according to the paper, this is the guardian, swapping red sardines could red meat for sardines could save 750,000 year. is 750,000 lives a year. this is a report that's been produced by by investigating 137 different countries. so it's quite an extensive report. more of our japanese scientists. >> 750 around the world. >> 750 around the world. >> yes, indeed . yeah. because >> yes, indeed. yeah. because red meat is deemed to be, unhelpful for your body and forage fish, as they call it, sardines. and other oily fish. anchovies and herring are good for you . so the recommendation for you. so the recommendation that both for the environment and for your personal health, moving towards eating oily fish and red meat is a good idea. >> yesterday it was camel milk and today it's stinky fish . and today it's stinky fish. yeah, to replace cows for the planet. >> what does a forage fish.

>> what does a forage fish. >> yeah we're going to disagree on that. >> and that is i think red meat is a wonderful thing. i think as long as don't eat it, you long as you don't eat it, you know, every as long as you don't eat it. >> well, it's good for you. >> well, no, it's good for you. >> well, no, it's good for you. >> red, red meat is very, very good for you. all that protein and there's nothing. well, of course not. >> according this report, >> according to this report, it's because linked to. >> according to this report, it's the because linked to. >> according to this report, it's the onlyuse linked to. >> according to this report, it's the only thing linked to. >> according to this report, it's the only thing aboutzd to. >> according to this report, it's the only thing about sardines >> the only thing about sardines is bones. >> the only thing about sardines is tthes. >> the only thing about sardines is tthe bones? >> the bones? >> the bones? >> yeah. bones, if you can get rid of the skeleton, they're fine. >> and anchovies are bit furry >> and anchovies are a bit furry as well. >> yeah, that's quite a good way of it. yeah, i don't of describing it. yeah, i don't like that. >> but. well, the bones just come out of the cook properly. you just remove bones you just remove the bones in one go. yeah yeah. >> like both sardines, i >> no, i like both sardines, i like anchovies. that's no difficult herring. not difficult herring. i'm not saying difficult to deal saying a more difficult to deal with. right. yeah, yeah. okay. but football match. but very good football match. champions league was last night. and tonight. this islamic and again tonight. this islamic state threat. about security at a lot of these matches . what's a lot of these matches. what's your take on that oscar, hugely serious. not to be taken

lightly, the noises that have come out of the intelligence services are saying exactly that at, in a lot of the media coverage, and i don't mean this. i'm not making light of it, but i'm not making light of it, but inever i'm not making light of it, but i never know what this really means. it's you know, it's for urging football fans to stay vigilant. and you kind of go, well, i'm not quite sure what they're supposed do. don't they're supposed to do. i don't really you know, you see really know. you know, you see somebody a kalashnikov somebody with a kalashnikov and then probably, you know, you probably be a bit more probably want to be a bit more vigilant in that, that vigilant in that, in that circumstance, it's hugely concerning. to the concerning. and it talks to the stories that we've just been talking this world is talking about this the world is becoming increasingly becoming more increasingly dangerous, i know, you watch dangerous, and i know, you watch football from the, you know, the comfort of your own home a lot of the time these days. but there is nothing better. there is nothing better than watching the champions league. you know, of evening live in a stadium . of an evening live in a stadium. and, know, stories like this and, you know, stories like this are troubling . are hugely troubling. >> yeah, norman, we talked about the infestation in a lot of hospital wards. it's front page of the metro. yes today. what do

you think of that? >> well, this is a horrific. this is actually apparently i didn't know this at the time, but this is a lib dem freedom of information request. it's produced all this. but 18,000 pest cases three years. pest cases in three years. cockroach just flies and maggots. insects legs of maggots. insects biting legs of staff . i mean, the details are staff. i mean, the details are just horrific. and if anyone is having breakfast at home, i'm sorry about this, but i mean, just details about, maggots and a rat droppings and a mortuary rat droppings and a body bag. no silverfish in the doctors canteen and infestation in the maternity ward . in the maternity ward. >> okay, well, we'll get the message. we get the message. hope your hospital is a bit cleaner than all of that. here's aidan mcgivern. good morning. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello. very good morning to you. welcome to the latest forecast from the met office. it's a bright start for many of us, but it will turn increasingly cloudy this morning

with more rain to come, especially across western and northwestern parts . that's where northwestern parts. that's where the rain is already arriving through the morning. we keep the sunshine the east at sunshine in the east at least until lunchtime , but well, it until lunchtime, but well, it does get squeezed out by thickening cloud and freshening breeze along with those outbreaks of rain, the rain will be on and off and mostly light in the south towards the northwest. it will be heavy and persistent, particularly for western scotland, where there is a rain warning because of the saturated currently saturated ground we currently have temperatures up to 15 have here. temperatures up to 15 celsius. not feeling very pleasant though the cloud pleasant though with the cloud and those outbreaks of rain. however, once the rain does move through, it does turn drier for a time in the south and southeast, albeit with a lot of low cloud, some hill fog. and then we've got further outbreaks of rain across many parts of the country. again, persistent country. again, most persistent towards of scotland. towards the west of scotland. overnight but a mild night because of southwesterly because of the southwesterly wind the extensive cloud wind and the extensive cloud coven wind and the extensive cloud cover. some places no lower than 12 or 13 celsius. now thursday morning starts off with those grey leaden skies staying damp

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news this morning. a landmark review into gender care has revealed thousands of children have been let down by the nhs through a shocking lack of research on treatments given to

those questioning their gender. >> a tory backlash against the latest echr ruling , which >> a tory backlash against the latest echr ruling, which means individuals can sue for a breach of human rights if britain fails to meet net zero targets. >> heightened security at football matches in england, spain and france despite terror threats from islamic state and our debate at 8:20, with france now issuing ,5 fines to anyone who misses a gp appointment, we're asking if it's time the nhs followed their example . nhs followed their example. >> it might be a bright start out there for some of us, but more rain is on the way. however we'll also turn a bit warmer over the next couple of days. full details with me in the forecast coming up. >> we're about to hear from the conservative party today. an announcement on a crackdown on retail crime and shoplifting.

>> well, we're joined by parliamentary under—secretary for justice laura pharis. and forjustice laura pharis. and welcome to the program. good morning to you. we'll talk about all of that in just a moment. but if you don't mind, we'll start with our top story this morning, which is this landmark cass into gender cass review into gender identity, which shows that since around 2011, the has been around 2011, the nhs has been failing thousands of youngsters. is this the big health scandal of a generation? do you think ? of a generation? do you think? >> well, doctor cass has done unbelievable work on this review. it's the first, but by far the most comprehensive review of this nature. she spent nearly four years writing it, and she produced an interim report two years ago, which has already been informing government policy. but look, yes, identified some yes, she's identified some really, really serious issues. one thing i think that your viewers should know, though, that in 2011, 250 children were referred for gender identity services. by 2021, that number had climbed to more than 3500.

and that's been happening in many similar countries across the west. so yes , there has been the west. so yes, there has been this sort of very unprecedented demand for a service that really hadnt demand for a service that really hadn't had much demand at all in the last decade or so. and she has uncovered some very, very serious matters that have been , serious matters that have been, that have resulted from that. >> she's identified in particular that there could be questions for activist charities who've put pressure on the nhs , who've put pressure on the nhs, on parents and indeed on pupils to rush through this process when they are still children. do you think more needs to be done to ensure that there isn't this pressure, that things are slowed down, that these activist charities don't have? all this power ? power? >> i think you're you know, i think in many ways you're summarising what she's been saying and you're getting to the absolute kernel of her report because she said this in her interim report, she talked there about primary and secondary health providers, doctors who felt intense pressure to felt under intense pressure to adopt unquestioning,

adopt an unquestioning, affirmative . in other affirmative approach. in other words, when they were confronted with a child, maybe or 15, with a child, maybe 14 or 15, who said were questioning who said they were questioning their that they their gender, that they felt obuged their gender, that they felt obliged start down obliged to start them down a pathway potentially to irreversible, you know, either medication or surgery that that person might as an adult come to regret. but they felt they had no choice but to do that. and right at the heart of her proposals, i mean, you'll you'll be aware the tavistock clinic, which used to be the only provider of children's gender services, been down. services, has been closed down. the are no longer the nhs are no longer prescribing blockers prescribing puberty blockers to children. back of children. we on the back of hilary cass's interim report, issued schools guidance , which issued schools guidance, which was very, very clear about what schools should and shouldn't be doing. and yes, in answer to doing. and so, yes, in answer to your question, this is a detailed empirical scientific review that inform the review that should inform the way that policy is developed. and it shouldn't be a matter of trends or feelings or social cachet on how this very sensitive issue . sensitive issue. >> but i suppose the question then is that, you know, has the government too slow to government been too slow to prevent of these being

prevent all of these cases being pushed through, given these findings, could you have been quicker have you yourselves, quicker and have you yourselves, having 2010, having been in power since 2010, had some part to play in failing these youngsters ? these youngsters? >> i don't accept that. and i make that point very gently and respectfully. as i said, there has been a 20 fold something like a 15 or 20 fold increase in the number of children being referred to this service in the last 10 or 15 years. and that's happenedin last 10 or 15 years. and that's happened in many countries, many other countries. it's a problem. everybody's been grappling with. we're the government asked we're the government that, asked hilary cass to conduct that review. she spent three and a half years doing it. there is nothing comparable in any other country that is remotely as in depth as this. and we did it because we were worried about what was happening, and we were worried about the way that certain nhs procedures were happening. and it's been incredibly helpful to hear from doctors and to look the way experts, and to look at the way that recommends that this that she recommends that this should dealt with should be dealt with holistically, regional holistically, on a regional basis, a multidisciplinary basis, on a multidisciplinary

basis, on a multidisciplinary basis, children basis, where sometimes children have neurodiverse have problems with neurodiverse science like autism, or they've got a mental health crisis in the background that all of that should be explored and treated before you go anywhere near irreversible gender change drugs. and so actually, i think we've acted responsibly. we've recognised how it was emerging with the concerns that were people were raising, even though there was pressure on us actually to accept this . and actually to accept this. and we've done this detailed piece of and reading it of work and will be reading it incredibly carefully, and i anticipate inform some anticipate it will inform some of the work that we do going forwards. >> well, laura, you're in the department of justice and you're also getting tough with shoplifters. tell us more . yeah, yeah. >> so today we are announcing a new standalone offence of assault on a retail worker. and of course , assault is already an of course, assault is already an offence. but we are doing this because even though we have seen crime falling really sharply in the last 15 years since we came in, violent crime is down by 51.

neighbour neighbourhood crime, stuff like burglary, car theft, theft from a person is down by 48. the one stubborn area where we have seen an increase is shoplifting. and what often goes with that is assault on a retail worker. so we're introducing a new freestanding criminal offence that will come with its own bespoke set of sanctions that will be specific to this kind of offence. as a clear signal that this is a zero tolerance offence and we are standing, you know, right beside those who work in public facing retail roles. >> i get that, but a lot of people will say they work in security, in stores, department stores , and if they catch an stores, and if they catch an offender, they phone for a police officer and the police are not available or not interested in turning up and deaung interested in turning up and dealing with all of this. so you can make it a standalone statutory offence, and that will get you a headline today. and everybody said, oh, you're getting tough, but you're not really, you? you

really, are you? because you haven't got police resources haven't got the police resources to with all of this? to deal with all of this? >> well, let just answer, >> well, let me just answer, break down answer your break that down and answer your questions. all, police questions. first of all, police numbers higher today than numbers are higher today than when in 2010. they're when we came in in 2010. they're up close to record highs. up very close to record highs. the second thing is that we've been really intensively been working really intensively on true to say on this issue. it is true to say that you went back maybe that if you went back maybe a year and a half, there was an issue about police attendance, but been working really, but we've been working really, really with police. really closely with the police. if can one if i can give you one illustration of what that looks like. a 32% like. last year we saw a 32% increase shoplifting increase in reported shoplifting incidents , but we saw 34% more incidents, but we saw 34% more prosecutions going into court, which showed that the police were keeping pace with that. my colleague, the policing minister chris has been working on chris philp, has been working on a action plan, a retail action plan, specifically with police and actually when we've looked at the results of that, we've seen that more than 70% of forces now are responding to at least two thirds of all shoplifting reports, and nearly 20% of forces are responding to 100% of them. now, of course, you'll say, well, there's further to go on that. yes, there is, but it

is the case that the vast majority of shoplifting responses being responses are today being responded why we responses are today being resp comfortable why we responses are today being resp comfortable to why we responses are today being resp comfortable to introduce we feel comfortable to introduce this stage . this next stage. >> but you see, laura, i you know, i love you say their police numbers have never been higher. response to >> and yet response to burglaries have never been lower. to crime is lower. response to car crime is practically written off. did you just sort of explain to me how your numbers are up? and yet these other things go down? the list priorities as what list of priorities as to what police officers be police officers should be attending to ? attending to? >> well, i do not accept that we are deprived using any of these things. our police numbers for england and wales are currently 149,000. that is very close to the highest it's ever been. in fact, it was its highest in march 2023. >> less experienced officers than you had when you came into power. and also a larger population . so as a percentage population. so as a percentage of population, there are fewer officers only, only very, very slightly. >> let me just come back to your point on domestic burglary. we take our crime statistics from the gold standard of crime

reporting. the office of national statistics relies on the of england and the crime survey of england and wales. reason is that that wales. the reason is that that surveys individuals , victims surveys individuals, victims just to ask them about their experience of crime, rather than looking reports, looking at police reports, because not every crime because we know not every crime gets reported . that shows that gets reported. that shows that since we came in in 2010, neighbourhood crime has fallen by 48. that includes domestic burglary, violent crime has fallen by 51% and crime overall, excluding fraud and computer misuse , is down by over 50. misuse, is down by over 50. >> so maybe people aren't reporting it because it's not worthwhile. yeah, okay. laura i understand that's not what we're hearing. it's not what you're hearing. it's not what you're hearing. but i love you to hear what we're going to hear today, because we're going to put that out and we're going to ask out there and we're going to ask people their experiences on people for their experiences on this. bet you, laura, it this. and i bet you, laura, it doesn't up to yours. but doesn't match up to yours. but however, you very much however, thank you very much indeed. well defended case. well put luck with what put and good luck with what you're do. you you're trying to do. thank you very much indeed. laura farris is parliamentary is a parliamentary under—secretary and under—secretary for justice. and what is get in what you've got to do is get in touch by put that strap up

touch here by put that strap up there. forward slash there. gbnews.com forward slash your have your say as your say so have your say as regards if someone's stolen your car have the police responded to it. were they interested in it. if they burgled your house were the interested in it, the the police interested in it, the justice secretary there justice secretary saying there that donned 48% and 51% these that donned by 48% and 51% these things i would suggest not in real life. i would suggest that a lot of people go, what's the point of phoning the police? they're not going to do anything about this. let us know what you think. >> isis have threatened fans at this week's football champions league fixtures. just weeks after their attack at a concert hall in moscow. >> the al—azim foundation, a media channel linked to the terror group, released this sinister image threatening four stadiums hosting matches last night, which led to heightened security. let's go to our reporter, charlie peters , who's reporter, charlie peters, who's at the emirates stadium in london. charlie, it went well last night, though . last night, though. >> that's right. eamonn. the first quarter final for arsenal in the champions league since

2010. and football was the headune 2010. and football was the headline here in a two all draw after the metropolitan police put in a robust policing plan to reassure those attending this fixture. they said that there was no specific threat that they were aware of. and police officers i spoke to here last night said that their plan and their strategy for the evening was nothing out of the ordinary. no additional measures had been taken to deal with that supposed threat. after a website close to isis, a de facto aligned media organisation, shared a graphic with a man wearing a balaclava and holding a rifle in front of several stadiums in europe that are hosting matches this week. but tonight, psg are hosting barcelona in paris and we also have atletico madrid hosting borussia dortmund now on the continent. we know that european security officials and ministers are taking more stringent measures to respond to those

threats . in france, the security threats. in france, the security level in reaction to the attack in moscow at the end of last month , has been raised to the month, has been raised to the maximum level after 137 people were killed. the french interior minister said yesterday that their policing response ahead of their policing response ahead of the game has been considerably reinforced . the spanish sports reinforced. the spanish sports minister, on the other hand, has said that they are going to issue a message of calm but has sought to reassure the public that 2000 police officers and members of the civil guards defence will also be on duty. >> thank you charlie, we'll leave it there. thank you very much indeed. >> okay. we're going to talk about the echr this morning. this is a topic that gets you all hot under the collar. the energy secretary, claire coutinho, has come out and led a conservative backlash against the latest court of the latest european court of human landmark ruling, human rights landmark ruling, this time relating to switzerland. it could have switzerland. but it could have an impact here in the uk. >> will the echr is based in strasbourg and it's ruled that

switzerland is violating the human rights of people over their lack of action on climate change. >> last night on gb news, jacob rees—mogg hit out at the echr . rees—mogg hit out at the echr. >> the court makes a mockery of rights because it removes that fundamental democratic right of voters to change the law under which they live. that's why it is now time to leave. our rights have always come from parliament, not from unelected judges. in strasbourg who make up the law as they go along . up the law as they go along. >> earlier, the shadow home secretary, yvette cooper, said we couldn't do that. and here's why. >> the tories will always do this. they always would look for something blame and something else to blame and something else to blame and something distract from something else to distract from their and you know, it's their chaos. and you know, it's not echr that means we've not the echr that means we've got a crisis in our nhs or that we've got real problems with energy bills shooting through the roof. >> well, she said, it's part of the good friday agreement and that's why we are joined up to it. here's a political

correspondent, olivia utley, with her take on all of that. echr will it be a manifesto commitment this year ? commitment this year? >> i think it is just possible that it does end up being a manifesto commitment. there are plenty of conservative mps who have been saying for a long time now that they think the only way to get that rwanda legislation actually implemented is to leave the echr suella braverman, when she was home secretary, said that it was her personal wish to leave the echr. but until now, at least, the government's official position has been that britain must stay in the echr and reform it from the inside. this landmark ruling could end up being the straw that breaks the camel's back. it is a pretty significant ruling. there were eight older women in switzerland who took the government in switzerland to the echr , took switzerland to the echr, took them to court and said that because they are particularly susceptible to heat waves as

older people, they have been denied their right to a private and family life because the swiss government, they say, hasn't acted fast enough to stop climate change. now that is a legal binding position. the echr is ruling and would trickle down into the uk, so you could genuinely have a position where climate activists end up suing the government for not reaching its net zero commitments. now claire coutinho , the energy claire coutinho, the energy secretary, has said that that is concerning . she is a very close concerning. she is a very close personal friend and ally of the prime minister. is it that claire coutinho is testing the ground, testing the water to see whether proposing leaving the echr ends up being popular among the general public? and if it does end up being popular among the public, it could well end up on that manifesto. the conservatives know that these local elections are coming. they are going to be very brutal indeed, and there are plenty in government thinking. now is the time bold for action, that

time for bold for action, that final roll of the dice. >> thank you olivia , we'll leave >> thank you olivia, we'll leave it there on the news on this wednesday morning, it there on the news on this wednesday morning , former wednesday morning, former subpostmaster alan bates has told the horizon it inquiry that the post office spent 23 years attempting, in his words, to discredit and silence him. the inquiry has been looking into what led to the wrongly prosecution of more than 900 subpostmasters, all caused by errors in the system. mr bates has been giving his version of events ahead of appearances by senior executives from the post office. as the week progresses , office. as the week progresses, britons taking part in the largest international airdrop of aid into gaza to mark the end of the fasting period of ramadan. >> 14 aircrafts from nine nafions >> 14 aircrafts from nine nations helped deliver essential food and water to civilians over a two week period. the royal air force has dropped over 53 tonnes of aid into gaza . of aid into gaza. >> princess of wales is now officially the most popular royal. a yougov poll found that over 75% of people have a

positive view of princess catherine, with prince william slightly behind his wife. at 73. last month, it was revealed she had been diagnosed with cancer and is undergoing treatment . and is undergoing treatment. >> it's chilly in here, isn't it? this morning. i don't know what the weather's doing outside. i haven't seen any daylight. is it raining? is it sunny? aidan mcgivern has your forecast . forecast. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news. who's . news. who's. >> hello. very good morning to you. welcome to the latest forecast from the met office. it's a bright start for many of us, but it will turn increasingly cloudy this morning with more rain to come, especially across western and northwestern parts. that's where the rain is already arriving through the morning. we keep the sunshine least sunshine in the east at least until but well , it until lunchtime, but well, it does get squeezed out by

thickening cloud and freshening breeze. along with those outbreaks of rain, the rain will be on and off and mostly light in the south. towards the northwest it will be heavy and persistent, particularly for western scotland, where there is persistent, particularly for wrain'n scotland, where there is persistent, particularly for wrain warning nd, where there is persistent, particularly for wrain warning becausee there is persistent, particularly for wrain warning because ofhere is persistent, particularly for wrain warning because of the is a rain warning because of the saturated ground currently saturated ground we currently have to 15 have here. temperatures up to 15 celsius. feeling very celsius. not feeling very pleasant though with the cloud and those outbreaks of rain. however once the rain does move through, it does turn drier for a time in the south and southeast, albeit with a lot of low cloud, some hill fog. and then we've got further outbreaks of across many parts the of rain across many parts of the country. again, persistent country. again, most persistent towards the west of scotland overnight, but a mild night because of the southwesterly wind extensive cloud wind and the extensive cloud coven wind and the extensive cloud cover. some places no lower than 12 or celsius. now thursday 12 or 13 celsius. now thursday morning starts off with those grey leaden skies staying damp and gloomy in the south, as well as the far northeast in between. the cloud does break up for a time, so some sunshine coming through for scotland. for northeast england, for example, and feeling considerably warmer

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by putting pesticides or fertiliser in your garden soil or whatever, it might be bad for them. maybe the birds are eating too many of them. who knows? but anyway, they're not enough of them around. >> is it that there's not >> how is it that there's not enough but there seems to enough worms? but there seems to be maggots, rats, be loads of maggots, rats, cockroaches, flies in our hospitals. got all hospitals. we've got it all wrong. all wrong somewhere. >> yes, somewhere , should >> yes, somewhere, should doctors start finding people who miss appointments? so if you make an appointment, don't turn up for it. you go to the dentist, you don't turn up for it. whatever what's your view on that? we're debating. >>

? so >> well, here's what they're doing in france. right? if you book a doctor's appointment and then you don't turn up, you will be fined, right? and you'll be fined poultry, poultry. fined ,5. poultry, poultry. i think poultry. anyway, so think it's poultry. anyway, so anyway, with many people really

struggling across the country to get access to a doctor, we're asking if the nhs should do the same, either with a paltry fine or a bigger fine for those who miss appointments. >> let's get thoughts >> well, let's get the thoughts this morning with online this morning with the online coach, gladwin. she this morning with the online coaciyes, gladwin. she this morning with the online coaciyes, should dwin. she this morning with the online coaciyes, should bein. she this morning with the online coaciyes, should be fined; this morning with the online coaciyes, should be fined for says yes, we should be fined for missing appointments. the missing gp appointments. but the founder of women's forum, founder of the women's forum, divas of colour, faustina anyanwu , says missing anyanwu, says missing appointments part life appointments is a part of life and punishing people is cruel. how can you say it's a part of life when you've got professionals who are sitting, waiting, ready to go, a system that's strained and whatever, and then somebody doesn't bother their backside ? their backside? >> no, actually , i didn't say, >> no, actually, i didn't say, it's part of life. what i said was , there are underlining was, there are underlining issues that could happen, and if we go the route of, fining people, then women especially are going to be disproportionately , you know, disproportionately, you know, affected. now, you think of, a woman that has children, for example, sometimes there might

be sudden illness, there might be sudden illness, there might be a woman with buggies and carrying her children and missing her boss. and sometimes when you're going to see the gp, if you get there by like even five minutes late, you will not be seen. so these are issues that nhs need to fix. be seen. so these are issues that nhs need to fix . we need to that nhs need to fix. we need to be looking at how to fix the broken system and make it easier for people to, you know, to attend their appointments and make it easy. sometimes people receive the appointment even on the day of the appointment. there are no nudges. there are no, contact prior to the date of the appointment. so there are a lot of things that we need to do or nhs need to do to make it easier for those demographics who are , you know, who you know, who are, you know, who you know, find it difficult to attend their appointments to make it easier for them to come. >> there might be a few people phausina who find it difficult to attend their appointments, but catherine, there are also people treat the nhs with people who treat the nhs with disdain. it's at disdain. they know it's free at the point use. they were the point of use. they were feeling when they made the

feeling ill when they made the appointment. they better appointment. they feel better when to the appointment when it comes to the appointment and simply bother to and they simply don't bother to tell they're not tell anyone that they're not coming happy tell anyone that they're not co waste happy tell anyone that they're not co waste people's happy tell anyone that they're not co waste people's time. happy tell anyone that they're not co waste people's time. s01appy to waste people's time. so surely £5 that indifference surely £5 for that indifference is a small price to pay. that could go a long way to helping an nhs system. could go a long way to helping an absolutely. system. could go a long way to helping an absolutely. and m. could go a long way to helping an absolutely. and nthink it >> absolutely. and i think it could more than £5, but could be more than £5, but i think it doesn't need to happen on the first appointment. maybe there's a two strike rule or a three strike rule or something like that, but it takes seconds to phone up and i appreciate that. some people may be in a situation, a car accident or something, and it means they can't attend, there's can't attend, but there's nothing phoning nothing stopping you phoning afterwards and apologising and just taking that pressure off those receptionists and explaining why you were unable to make the appointment. but i mean, my own gp has got an app and i can cancel my appointments on my app. it's so it's perhaps other gps could adopt that to make it easier for those people that don't like phoning in. but i don't see the problem. nobody's going to chastise you for phoning up and cancelling.

instead, they they you should be in trouble for not attending, not turning up. >> yeah, yeah. phoning up. >> yeah, yeah. phoning up. >> you can do turning up. you can't do faustina . can't do faustina. >> no. funny enough, for my own gp, for example , if you phoned gp, for example, if you phoned my gp, you're going to be online for more than one hour. that's a waste of a whole time. and again, 11.7 million people are in poverty in the uk at the moment. 4.3 million children are in poverty at the moment. so when we pass a level, we forget the people behind . there might the people behind. there might be a mother or a person who is so poor they don't even have electricity at that time. at that day they don't have a wi—fi or they don't have credit on their phone. excuse me, let me finish to call the gp. and when you call the gp, my own gp, you might call and nobody's going to answer you. takes like a whole long time to get to get through to the gp. so calling on that day doesn't even make any sense .

day doesn't even make any sense. so i think there should be a way for them to send you an automated message where you can just, you know , say yes or no on just, you know, say yes or no on that day to say catherine or i'm not should should allowances be made for those who are living in extreme poverty, who might not have electricity, for example ? have electricity, for example? >> i'm not sure what the correlation is there with not having not being having electricity and not being able a doctor's able to attend a doctor's appointment, though i i've missed sorry, don't missed the link. sorry, i don't understand . understand. >> the link would be let's say for example , a child has an for example, a child has an appointment and there's no electricity or gas or whatever to get the child ready to go to the gp or to feed the baby at the gp or to feed the baby at the time the baby is crying, you can't control things. i'm a mother. i have four children. i've gone through a time when my children were toddlers . i know children were toddlers. i know what he means. there are times when you want to get up and do things. they're not getting up. you're not. not able to you're not. you're not able to get ready. the el—sisi get them ready. the el—sisi issue, the, what's it issue, the, the, what's it called? the distress of whatever

thatis called? the distress of whatever that is going on at that time could affect your getting ready to get to where you're supposed to get to where you're supposed to get to where you're supposed to get to. and then sometimes some people will try and get there five minutes late and you will not be seen. you have to still go back. some people don't have money to even take the transport to get a bus to go where they're going to. there's no money in their, in their, in their, in the, in their oyster. so we need to think of the people at the bottom of the economy not just, you know economy and not just, you know okay thank much indeed. >> i'm afraid we've got to hang up on you guys. we're out of time . but thank both. time. but thank you both. catherine and faustina, appreciate catherine and faustina, appjustate catherine and faustina, appjust ae catherine and faustina, appjust a thought that's come in >> just a thought that's come in from our people using our from one of our people using our uk system and they've made the point. andy graham, you miss point. andy graham, if you miss an dentist appointment, an nhs dentist appointment, you're their list. you're struck off their list. there you go. and other people saying should be £50. saying the fine should be £50. let us know your thoughts. gbnews.com forward slash the cast report leading our news today. >> we've diversity activist >> we've got diversity activist katie john went, who was on the programme earlier. we've got your questions, your queries

your questions, your queries your points to put to her on child gender. after this.

year at 6:00 this morning, we had the privilege of talking to katie. john went about our top story, which is the national health service reviewing gender care. there's katie john there . care. there's katie john there. katie. john, i have to say, you were popular. very, very popular when you were talking today. a lot of people thought you spoke common sense. you talked about your journey with all of your own journey with all of this and whatever, i'm so i'm going go straight to the going to go straight to the questions that are, that are coming in. maggie says, my daughter lesbian, but she daughter is a lesbian, but she loved boys toys and clothes when she was a child. this doesn't mean that she was trans and we never suggested it. maybe some kids just need more pushback, more understanding as to who or what they will see themselves as . so their daughter was lesbian,

not trans . gender. what do you not trans. gender. what do you think about, the prescription of such? can it happen a bit too soon? >>i soon? >> i love boys toys and clothes. when i was a kid, too, so i didn't fulfil any stereotypes around. what does a trans person woman look like, either in terms of their childhood push back is push back the right word? i don't know, i think it's allowing play without assuming that play suddenly makes you another gender. i think that it's part of it is sex stereotypes toy stereotypes, clothing stereotypes, allowing people greater freedom without that freedom to be suddenly a confirmation bias of who you actually are meant to be or anything like that. and the very fact that we do know that around 75 to 80% of teens, and young people and teens, experiencing gender distress, dysphoria, confusion, whatever it might be, actually go on to actually find out that they are just, lesbian

or gay or bisexual or indeed someone who is just bucking, bucking the sex stereotypes around being a tomboy, but not even being lesbian . even being lesbian. >> katie. john, tell me to shut up, at any stage. but you are so open about things. could i talk to you about , open about things. could i talk to you about, gender preference or sexuality of or sexuality in terms of partners ? right. so you you were partners? right. so you you were born male, you became female. does that then change who you're attracted to or does ? doesn't attracted to or does? doesn't that matter? is that part of the equafion? that matter? is that part of the equation? in other words , what equation? in other words, what i'm saying is would you be automatically attracted to a male now or a female ? or just to male now or a female? or just to explain me or tell me to shut up? no, no no no no. >> absolutely. i openly answer all questions to my own detriment, perhaps. so but the point is, yeah, i have always been attracted to women, but i questioned whether i was attracted to men , my first attracted to men, my first experience of sexuality was with

a guy at school age 15, my next was with a woman in my university years who i ended up marrying . she was a marrying. she was a psychiatrist. they'd married 15 years, so subsequently, from that, i came out of that marriage and i thought, well, so hold on. what is my sexuality? i'm exploring gender, but i'm also not entirely sure of my sexuality. i would have been so relieved to have found out that i simply gay in that male i was simply gay in that male male sense. it would have involved no surgery , no involved no surgery, no hormones, no no bunfight around being trans that we currently have, but nonetheless i so i, i explored men and women briefly, and realised that i still preferred women, but also found that i was generally not particularly interested in sex at all, and one of the things that also does happen is that what little libido i already had, disappeared almost completely with the taking of hormones, but we do know that there is some evidence that actually the taking of hormones can either trigger or shift sexuality to a degree or bring

out a latent sexuality. so there are people and it is very common knowledge in certainly amongst hearsay and people working in it. ten years ago were telling me that they found out that within six months of surgery, people were changing their sexuality and shifting it. whether that was latent and hidden or whether the hormones affected it, we don't know. can i ask you about that bunfight you're talking about there? >> we've had some questions about that, and was picked up about that, and it was picked up on this cas report where on in this cas report where doctor hilary identified what she exceptional toxicity she called exceptional toxicity in this stormy discourse that really helped young really hasn't helped young people this minefield. people navigate this minefield. well, danny's touch well, danny's got in touch saying, grandson is saying, my grandson is non—binary. i'm not sure what that means, but my daughter says i now have to call him they. this confuses me every time i see him, and i've ended up not going over to see them so much as a result. now that's a tragedy, isn't it? if the whole topic has become such a taboo that relationships are breaking down within immediate families .

down within immediate families. >> yeah, and actually, i kind of like the terminology of non—binary. i often get introduced as a trans woman . i introduced as a trans woman. i actually often say to producers or whomever , or at a or a talk or whomever, or at a or a talk or whomever, or at a or a talk or a panel show, please introduce me as a trans person. i prefer person human being over the gendered language of man or woman. i've certainly navigated both surged clearly and legally and hormonally, there are and hormonally, but there are people on either side who will will never that will never be enough. and i'm okay with that. so call me a trans person. i don't i'm not taking offence by that. so non—binary also fits for me to a degree as well. it describes someone who's got a foot both camps and who has foot in both camps and who has transitioned on that journey. and my and if someone asked me my pronouns, say they she pronouns, i tend to say they she he in that order. you're going to keep persistently calling me here. why you be here. i get why you might be doing seems to fit, but doing it. they seems to fit, but i also get it's hard to i also get that it's hard to attach yourself to. my nephew from age of 8 or 9 was from about the age of 8 or 9 was happily for me, but happily using they for me, but the of my family would the rest of my family would never , would accept it.

never, would never accept it. and completely understand that and i completely understand that as but very easy as well. but it is very easy just to use someone's name and avoid pronouns okay avoid pronouns altogether. okay well, into the well, that gets us into the whole of culture. whole subject of culture. >> says, this a problem >> aaron says, this is a problem within because british within britain because british culture has been under attack for a few decades now , he says for a few decades now, he says children are being brought up with no culture, so they create their own. that's what's happening at the minute with this thing. i mean, it's a bit a bit simplistic, but has it got any part in what we're talking about? >> it's half true. children create their own, not because they're being brought up with no culture. we shouldn't be kind of indoctrinating any culture on kids. we should be giving them the play in, so to the world to play in, so to speak, and expanding their minds rather narrowing them. but rather than narrowing them. but we also shouldn't kind of be replacing them another replacing them with another narrow mindset, a narrow mindset, there's a distinct of the freedom to distinct lack of the freedom to play, as i say, without this kind of confirmation that that play kind of confirmation that that play is now a thing. so within that children, i found that there's also a firm. when i've worked with youth, i found that they have rejecting, a they have been rejecting, to a

degree, the lgbt language even of 20 years ago, to say that we now have far broader landscape now have a far broader landscape and broader language. and a far broader language. so they are creating their own vocabulary there, even they vocabulary there, even if they are bisexual or lesbian and gay or trans themselves. they gotcha . okay, a variety fine. >> final point, katie, john and the, honestly. so many people wanting to talk to you today, johnny saying when i was young there was no one. he said there was no one who was transgender. why is it suddenly everywhere? is it genuine or is it just a way of seeking attention ? way of seeking attention? >> i don't think it's attention seeking. if anything, you get unwanted attention. it's not easy being trans. the idea that people navigate to being trans to avoid being lesbian or gay, for example, because it's harder to be lesbian or gay , it's most to be lesbian or gay, it's most cases easier to be lesbian and gay than trans. i do think there is elements of social contagion, but i think it's not to get attention, but there is this,

this social element, that being different is, is supported and endorsed . but there are many endorsed. but there are many ways to be different. the ultimate thing is to be yourself . but it's a long journey finding that and the gender pathway may be one way to finding yourself, not finding yourself differently yourself as a differently gendered but just gendered person, but just finding in other words finding yourself. in other words , exploring and finding not their identity that fits. but how do you fit into this world as an individual, as a personality, as a human being with needs and wants and desires and not have the world shape you, let alone ideology or social media or anything, but to just be happy, we are delighted. >> we have found you, our trans person, today, thank you. it's been an absolute delight talking to you and, katie. john, i have to you and, katie. john, i have to say this because she just doesn't look at i mean, it's 57 years of age and what a life you have led. and thank you for talking to us about it. so

openly today. i think it's done a lot of good. thank you. we could all talk so rationally and so calmly about this topic. >> appreciate your time. >> appreciate your time. >> what's needed? >> what's needed? >> yeah. okay. bye bye. all the best. you. bye, stay best. thank you. bye bye, stay with more discussion with us. lots more discussion points of the big stories of points of all the big stories of the day. got norman baker the day. we've got norman baker and reddrop

>> everybody talking today with norman baker and oscar reddrop. happy to see you both back again today. now, norman, the rwandan president, paul kagame, is a giant . he's president, paul kagame, is a giant. he's huge. he seems it because he's pictured with rishi sunak outside number 10. and rishi sunak is diminutive. it has to be said. at least there's a big difference between the two of them, so what was he here talking about yesterday? >> well, i suppose the pm to defend him can't help his stature, but it doesn't help him. in international

agreements, when you're dealing with people who are much larger than him. no fashion thing, than him. yes. no fashion thing, i difference also is i mean, the difference also is that president of rwanda that the president of rwanda is very european very keen on the european convention and very keen on the european convthat n and very keen on the european convthat britain and very keen on the european convthat britain leaves and very keen on the european convthat britain leaves the and says that britain leaves the convention. then the deal is off, which is important when people are talking about leaving the however, the story the echr. however, the story here that picture sunak is here that this picture sunak is on a step . on a step. >> it's still smaller than he is. he is actually. >> sorry, just on the height of, rishi sunak . >> sorry, just on the height of, rishi sunak. he's about the same height as boris johnson and of emmanuel macron , but somehow he emmanuel macron, but somehow he looks smaller. i promise you, he is boris johnson's five foot six. they're all about the same height. they've stood next charleton is not five foot six. >> i think boris is charisma . >> i think boris is charisma. >> i think boris is charisma. >> it'sjust >> i think boris is charisma. >> it's just probably what wider? >> dare say he's a bit wider. >> dare i say he's a bit wider. and if you see rishi sunak and also, if you see rishi sunak next cameron, you next to david cameron, you think, who's prime minister here? >> i know we talked about that earlier, didn't we? yeah. >> but anyway, the story, the story in metro, it the story in the metro, is it the metro the metro? is metro story in the metro? is that these homes which have that the these homes which have been aside in for been set aside in rwanda for people coming britain people coming from britain

because nothing's happening, 70% of sold. gosh, so of them have been sold. gosh, so there's them to go anyway. >> so even if we do get to send people to rwanda, there's nowhere for them to stay. >> no, there was only of >> no, there was only 183 of them. mean, hardly them. i mean, it's hardly anything compared the numbers anything compared to the numbers we're about. we're talking about. >> it's neither here there, >> it's neither here nor there, is it? >> there's another angle this >> there's another angle on this story today one of the story today in one of the papers. i can't remember which one apparently state one that apparently the state airline, state airline, rwandan owned state airline, rwandan owned state airline doesn't want to be airline line doesn't want to be involved the because involved in the scheme because of issues. this is of branding issues. and this is supposed loved by kagame supposed to be loved by kagame and so is it or and his government. so is it or not? know, the state on not? you know, the state on board not? well, british board or not? well, british airways, could understand if airways, you could understand if they involved. they didn't want to be involved. but the state run airline. >> the uk government can't find an airline. the whole thing is so toxic they can't find an airline people across to airline to take people across to rwanda flights take off. >> i think there's probably a little bit of mischief making, admittedly, vacuum admittedly, in the vacuum that's been being to been left by not being able to get over the line. there get this over the line. there are certain parts of the tory party, particularly on the right of on right of the of the on on the right of the party. say the party. that would say the stories we're seeing the

stories that we're seeing at the moment are as a result of inaction and actually, if they could go to their constituents and one flight out there, and get one flight out there, they these they genuinely believe these mps that at the that their, their fate at the next general election would be helped hugely. but it's not. will it happen? >> i think they're wrong if they think that, by the way, people people are worried about the economy and the nhs predominant. >> now we're going to talk >> so now we're going to talk about a lady called about oscar, a lady called caroline carroll win and karl win had got a gas metre installed in her house. that's the good news. the bad news is what the sorry i come back out of this, the it was supposed to be funny. no, it's not, it's not. sorry snap out of it. >> it's so silly. >> it's so silly. >> it's so silly. >> it's silly. it's say. yeah. >>— >> it's silly. it's say. yeah. >> so she got her smart metre installed and it ended up being installed and it ended up being installed nine feet off the ground. >> so how does she read it? >> so how does she read it? >> she. >> she. >> she. >> she can't read it unless she uses a quite a large stepladder. and on top of all of this, that smart the smart litre actually broke. so she needs to take the

metre readings herself and report back to british gas, the picture is , you know, slightly picture is, you know, slightly amusing in the paper. if you can pick up the mail today. but the serious point and also sorry, on top of this, it's actually it's actually outrageous this not only , but the engineering only that, but the engineering engineers then locked her gas metre box and didn't leave her a key, so helpful . very. i key, so helpful. very. i couldn't think of anything going and then should be prosecuted for not producing a metre reading. absolutely. £200 a pop as well, let's look at the tv adverts . norman, so here we've adverts. norman, so here we've got a crisp advert , but got a crisp advert, but certainly on show in italy. why is it called controversy? >> well, crisp in more ways than one, i think, actually, because this is a television advert, in which italian nuns are offered cnsps which italian nuns are offered crisps rather than communion wafers. and this is , this has wafers. and this is, this has been deemed to be. >> sorry. no that's the body of christ. yeah. well, indeed. >> and that's the point made by the italian bishops conference as christ reduced to a crisp, debased and vilified as he was

2000 years ago. it says, so they've taken a rather badly, and i can understand why, i mean, to trivialise these things in a crisp advert is having a sense of humour, though, isn't it? >> yeah. well, they're calling it blasphemous. that's the thing. however. i mean, i find it quite amusing, but, and i speak as a catholic, however , speak as a catholic, however, and if this was a jewish, slight or if this was muslim, whatever. there would be prison sentences being handed out. i would have thought , you being handed out. i would have thought, you can't be a prime minister and a catholic still in this country . this country. >> well, you can't you can't be a monarch in a catholic. that's that's been outlawed in 1702 or thereabouts. is . or thereabouts. i think it is. or 1888. was it, so, you know, i went to the i forgot what the word is. inauguration of king charles at saint james's palace, and he had to read out this guff about how catholics must be kept away from, from the monarchy. it's extraordinary, actually, to hear it. yeah. it's hundreds of years old. there we go.

>> musicians and actors under threat from i. >> oscar, tell us more , yeah. >> oscar, tell us more, yeah. the, select committee of mps were told by lots of high profile musicians, including nile rodgers, that al technology is devaluing the industry. it is crazy. you can use a! to rip off someone's exact tone and voice. so you know, eamonn, you could say, you know, can elvis presley sing, you know, a song by eminem? and he would do it in, you know, matter of seconds, serious point to make is it is terribly sad. there is nothing more moving. there is nothing more moving. there is nothing more stirring the music. we hold it so dear to us, and the fact that it can just in an instant, you know, with al , kind of you know, with al, kind of dilute and in the passing of time, without feeling exactly without . yeah, exactly. without. yeah, exactly. >> i think it's an incredible danger. >> i think it's an incredible danger . i >> i think it's an incredible danger. i mean, i'm really worried about al, but i was telling isabel yesterday , i was telling isabel yesterday, i was interviewed by a, by by people who were not from this country,

for a magazine article. and obviously my interview was fed into an ai translation machine. honestly, guys, you could not make it up. you really could not make it up. you really could not make it up. what came out the other end? nothing making sense. and they thought this was all okay, but, so sure it was a translation rather than you eamonn was definitely. it was definitely translation. definitely a translation. >> update on the >> i've got an update on the heights cooper our producers just me through rishi just sent me through so rishi sunakis just sent me through so rishi sunak is five foot seven. macron also foot seven, vladimir also five foot seven, vladimir putin, also five foot seven. wow so there you go. a lot of short men in power. what does that say ? >> 7- >> it's the 7— >> it's the tie. >> it's the tie. >> it's the tie. >> it's an active trousers , the >> it's an active trousers, the short trousers and the skinny ties. >> you just updated me on on trainer gate because he's been talking on the airwaves this morning. he's apologised for wearing the same trainers as him today. >> actually, do you accept his apology? >> i don't accept his apology. no, of course i i don't care no, of course i do. i don't care what he wears myself, funds for vladimir putin. >> his compensatory >> it's his active compensatory factor. has to factor. being small, he has to have weapons make up for that.

>> well, yeah, there's a lot of that, isn't there? yeah yeah, what are you what about worms? are you worried, oscar, worms at worried, oscar, about worms at all? back garden? all? in the back garden? >> got 30s the back >> you got 30s in the back garden , funnily enough, i was at garden, funnily enough, i was at someone's house and they were doing a of gardening. and, doing a bit of gardening. and, you you take out soil you know, you take out the soil and you put it away, and you put it like, know, neatly over it like, you know, neatly over the winter. and and there were the winter. and and there were the biggest worms i've ever seen in real life. yeah, genuinely. they kind of huge. they've they were kind of huge. they've just been growing over the winter. >> that's good. good luck to them. apparently we need more of them. apparently we need more of them. norman and oscar, thank you very much indeed. very you both very much indeed. very entertaining informative entertaining and informative today. we'll leave it there. thank goodbye. thank you. goodbye. >> and here's aidan >> thank you. and here's aidan mcgivern the weather. mcgivern with the weather. >> like things are heating >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello. very good morning to you . welcome to the latest you. welcome to the latest forecast from the met office. it's a bright start for many of us, but it will turn increasingly cloudy this morning

with more rain to come, especially across western and northwestern parts. that's where the is already arriving the rain is already arriving through morning . we keep the through the morning. we keep the sunshine in the at least sunshine in the east at least until lunchtime time, but well, it does get squeezed out by thickening cloud and a freshening breeze. along with those outbreaks of rain, the rain will be on and off and mostly light in the south towards the northwest. it'll be heavy and persistent, particularly for western scotland, where there is a rain warning because of the saturated ground currently here. ground we currently have here. temperatures up to 15 celsius. not feeling pleasant not feeling very pleasant though, cloud and those though, with the cloud and those outbreaks of rain. however, once the rain does move through, it does turn drier for a time in the south and southeast, albeit with a lot of low cloud, some hill fog. and then we've got further across further outbreaks of rain across many the country. again many parts of the country. again most persistent the west most persistent towards the west of overnight but of scotland. overnight but a mild night because of the southwesterly wind and the extensive cloud cover. some places no lower than 12 or 13 celsius. now thursday morning starts off with those grey

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gb news. >> good morning. fast approaching 9:00. it's wednesday, the 10th of april. >> a very nice to have you on board. this is breakfast and gb news. eamonn holmes and isabel webster. >> a landmark review into gender care has revealed thousands of children have been let down by the nhs through a shocking lack of research on treatments given to those questioning their genden to those questioning their gender. spoke to the gender. earlier we spoke to the

government on the issue. >> there is nothing comparable in any other country that is remotely as in—depth as this, and we did it because we were worried about what was happening and we were worried about the way that certain nhs procedures were happening. >> backlash against >> conservative backlash against the latest acr ruling, which means individuals can sue for a breach of human rights if britain fails to meet net zero targets. >> earlier, we spoke to the shadow home secretary , yvette shadow home secretary, yvette coopen shadow home secretary, yvette cooper, about what she thinks on the echr . the echr. >> the tories will always do this. they always would look for something else to blame and something else to blame and something else to distract from their chaos. and you know, it's not the echr that means we've got a crisis in our nhs, or that we've got real problems with energy bills shooting through the roof and princess catherine has been named the most popular royal. >> we'll be looking at that in just a moment. >> it might be a bright start out there for some of us, but

more rain is on the way. however it will also turn a bit warmer over the next couple of days. full details with me in the forecast coming up . forecast coming up. >> so it's our top story this morning and we've had lots of reaction from you throughout the course of the program about this . the national health service has to review has been ordered to review gender children gender care for children following and damning report. >> this is the cass review, and it found no evidence that the use of blockers, which delay puberty , led to better mental puberty, led to better mental health outcomes. >> well, let's speak to our news reporter, richardson, who joins us in the studio . good morning us in the studio. good morning to you, ray. hilary cass is being sort of widely praised, i think, for taking a lot of the heat out of this debate and saying what a lot of us have all been saying for a long time that ultimately this is about children. but what are the key findings of this report , and how findings of this report, and how much a turning point do you much of a turning point do you think this might be?

>> i think it's going to >> well, i think it's going to be turning point, be a significant turning point, although that be a significant turning point, alt saying that that be a significant turning point, alt saying that nhs that be a significant turning point, alt saying that nhs englandhat be a significant turning point, alt saying that nhs england does by saying that nhs england does not appear to have committed to, implementing the implementing all of the recommendations, say recommendations, they say they're to review they're going to review the recommendations and then implement them. but it doesn't indicate they're going to implement although implement all of them. although there a number of there has been a number of changes recent years, 32 changes in recent years, 32 recommendations top of recommendations in all, top of the list, probably extreme caution. doctor hilary cass says before prescribing hormones for children, she says there needs to be a clear clinical rationale before any masculinising or feminising hormones are issued to under 18, and there should also be a separate pathway for anyone who's trying to take this kind of treatment, who is yet to hit puberty. and that's obviously been a really serious concern for a lot of people who've used the service, but also members of the public, that children are just going down a path, which they then cannot go back from. clinical advice for parents as well, and full research into the outcomes of those who receive this kind of treatment. >> interesting to hear her say.

the field of medicine that this is built on has shaky foundations. really saying that this generation of children this is a generation of children that been guinea pigs. that have been guinea pigs. do you think we could see you think that we could see a situation where youngsters turn around say, actually, i'm around and say, actually, i'm going action going to take legal action against the because i've against the nhs because i've been on here. been experimented on here. >> already seen some legal >> we've already seen some legal action. brought action. keira bell has brought some, has gone to the courts. there's some more legal action, just starting as well against the use of private clinics. and i think more and more young people who've gone through this process now into process and are now into adulthood rethinking adulthood are rethinking their options. , look, options. and obviously, look, looking back at this, you say sort of shaky foundations . one sort of shaky foundations. one of the things that i think was really interesting from this report, doctor hilary saying that six of seven nhs that six of seven adult nhs gender refused gender clinics refused to cooperate late in this study, she said that was hugely disappointing, frustrating on behalf of the young people and their families because there was an opportunity here to reduce the uncertainties about what happens to these young people

when they become adults and what their life is like after they've transitioned, i suppose that speaks to the toxicity in this whole debate. and she says that that has really not helped these children that are navigating a minefield. she called it the stormy discourse around all of this. and about activists in particular, it impossible particular, making it impossible to things without causing to say things without causing offence. >> absolutely. i think, you know, it's one of those areas that can become very heated very quickly, we do know that some people kind of ideologically people are kind of ideologically attached to as an issue, attached to this as an issue, rather than taking purely rather than taking a purely clinical approach. this has been one of the one of the concerns from doctor hilary. and one of the things that she's recommending as well, which i think is key, is that the nhs should introduce a detransitioning . so she detransitioning service. so she wants to shake up and reform. so you know, the gender services, which could include transitioning. but what about those who want to detransition? there needs to be adequate resources for them to. >> okay. >> okay. >> ray addison, thanks very much indeed. >> the princess of wales is now

officially the popular officially the most popular royal. this is a yougov poll that found that over 75% of people have a positive view of princess catherine, with prince william only slightly behind his wife at 73. cameron walker, a royal correspondent, is here with this one. what would you what would you read into that? and as to why? >> well, i think it's hardly surprising. >> since the start of the year, the princess of wales's popularity is up six points with the british public. according to this yougov poll. and obviously at the year, she at the start of the year, she went hospital for abdominal went into hospital for abdominal surgery subsequently surgery and has subsequently been diagnosed with cancer and is the is undergoing surgery. look, the princess of wales, since becoming a member of the royal family, has committed no major faux pas. there's been no particular with she particular scandal with her. she always puts family first and she really champions, causes such as mental health, importance of the provision for early years as well. and i hate the phrase born a commoner , but she wasn't born a commoner, but she wasn't born into aristocracy , she was not into aristocracy, she was not born into the royal family. she

gave up her old life. and yes, that comes with lots of privilege. being a member of the royal family. but it also comes with enormous challenges, such as everybody prying into your private life, particularly when it your health. and it comes to your health. and i think the british public are very on with very much on side with that. well, worse. well, it could be worse. >> look at figures. so >> we look at her figures. so 76% say they have a positive view the princess of wales. view of the princess of wales. and prince harry and and whereas prince harry and meghan continued to be unpopular, 76 compared to 31% having a positive opinion of prince harry and only 26% 50 points less than princess catherine is meghan yes. >> still not looking great for harry and meghan? prince andrew is even is far below them as well. but when you look at the figures around the young people in particular under 25 harry and meghan are polling more favourably with young people among the british public. but that's not to say they are well, well liked by young people. the the, the net, the net favorability scores still put

them below zero amongst young people. so they do have some way to go if they're going to increase their popularity with the british public. prince harry expected to come over to the uk in may for the invictus games service at saint paul's cathedral. don't know cathedral. we still don't know if is going to accompany if meghan is going to accompany him, doing well negative him, doing well on, negative views, meaning fewer people have negative about her than negative views about her than anyone else. is the princess royal princess anne? >> indeed, yes. the most hard working royal. if you go by the number of engagements she carries out each year. no nonsense , no fuss. she never nonsense, no fuss. she never gets herself into any kind of arguments or scandal. she. she's been the member of the royal family who has done a couple of media interviews recently, whereas others been whereas others have been reluctant and i think reluctant to do so. and i think perhaps you're going to have perhaps if you're going to have a test for members of the royal family who conduct a media family who can conduct a media interview the correct way, interview and the correct way, it would be princess anne rather than prince andrew, than her brother prince andrew, who headlines who clearly has made headlines this with publication this week with the publication of scoop. this week with the publication of she's. this week with the publication of she's he's he's the least >> he's he's he's the least popular royal of all.

>> yes, really , a mere 6% of >> yes, really, a mere 6% of people having a positive view, won't he? >> he will hate that . and that >> he will hate that. and that has been unchanged since that infamous newsnight interview with emily maitlis in 2019. and i don't see a way back from i just don't see a way back from those negative popularity at the moment. >> i won't ask you about princess catherine's health. we want to give her the space she needs. i will just say that of course, we are all really missing her seeing those pictures when started talking pictures when he started talking really how we really reminds me how much we miss our screens. but miss her from our screens. but we ask you about the king's we can ask you about the king's health. and there are some positive aren't there? positive signs, aren't there? certainly music seems positive signs, aren't there? ce be nly music seems positive signs, aren't there? ce be that music seems positive signs, aren't there? ce be that he music seems positive signs, aren't there? ce be that he might�*nusic seems positive signs, aren't there? ce be that he might be ;ic seems positive signs, aren't there? ce be that he might be backems positive signs, aren't there? ce be that he might be back out to be that he might be back out in public soon. >> there certainly are. if >> yeah, there certainly are. if we on easter sunday, of we saw him on easter sunday, of course, was greeting members course, he was greeting members of public sources told of the public royal sources told me this should me at the time that this should be a view that doctors be taken as a view that doctors are very very positive about are very are very positive about the king's health, and it is very much going the right very much going in the right direction. treatment, very much going in the right direc are . treatment, very much going in the right direc are not treatment, very much going in the right direcare not ruling treatment, very much going in the right direcare not ruling outeatment, very much going in the right direc are not ruling out the ent, very much going in the right direc are not ruling out the trip they are not ruling out the trip to that's been widely to australia. that's been widely reported autumn. and as reported in the autumn. and as you looks like he's you say, that it looks like he's going to be starting to ramp up

engagements we get towards engagements as we get towards the summer. but course, the the summer. but of course, the caveat of is he caveat to all of that is how he responds to treatments responds to cancer treatments and moment, it remains unclear. >> yeah, well, we wish them both very well. of course, goes very well. of course, it goes without saying. >> cameron. thank you. thank you very indeed. and also, very much indeed. and also, i think it's important to point out way people and out that the way people vote and how of royals how they think of the royals differs generational gap. differs by generational gap. >> certainly does. >> yeah, it certainly does. i think younger people have perhaps a slightly negative perhaps a slightly more negative view of the monarchy. older people slightly more people have a slightly more positive of the monarchy. people have a slightly more posthank of the monarchy. people have a slightly more posthank youyf the monarchy. people have a slightly more posthank you cameron.1archy. >> thank you cameron. >> thank you cameron. >> all right. britain's newsroom coming andrew and bev coming up at 9:30 andrew and bev are the studio. what's coming are in the studio. what's coming up? morning. up? good morning. >> morning. up? good morning. >> colournorning. up? good morning. >> colour coordinated as well. >> colour coordinated as well. >> happening. >> it's happening. not intentional. we don't speak. >> believe you, we're >> i don't believe you, we're going be talking about the going to be talking about the fact think they can fact that labour think they can save high streets. what save the high streets. what could possibly do? could they possibly do? >> off the internet? >> switch off the internet? >> switch off the internet? >> the internet? >> switch off the internet? >> switch off the internet? >> else do you save >> because how else do you save the street? >> because how else do you save the how street? >> because how else do you save the how else at? >> because how else do you save the how else can you save it? >> how else can you save it? >> how else can you save it? >> have all migrated to >> people have all migrated to amazon and they're going to amazon and all they're going to tax online more heavily. >> they business >> are they cut business rates? are their argument? are they their argument? >> say though are >> are they will say though are

they though. >> but on that as well. the >> but also on that as well. the tories are saying they tories are saying that they will bnng tories are saying that they will bring specific offence for bring in a specific offence for the against people the first time against people who and attack who shoplift and attack shopkeepers. remember in the pandemic all clapped the pandemic that we all clapped the nhs workers, workers nhs workers, but shop workers worked it too . worked throughout it too. >> yes, financially, the only thing going to say that can thing i'm going to say that can bnng thing i'm going to say that can bring whatever specific bring in whatever specific charges want or whatever, charges they want or whatever, if officer , well, no if no police officer, well, no police to process, police officer to process, no space no space in the space and no space in the prisons to put them. oh, well, so i mean, it's all talk. i mean, this is just a headline grabbing and cynical about that. >> but of course, the solution to all this is going to be facial recognition id facial id, facial recognition id on streets, which of on our streets, which i, of course a big fan of. and course am not a big fan of. and we're going to be talking to silkie carlo big brother. silkie carlo from big brother. watch, because watch, watch about that because all are going to wear all the crooks are going to wear masks they're masks anyway, so they're not going they've got hot going to care. they've got hot up, got a mask. you up, they've got a mask. you facial recognition it's facial recognition id, it's going absolutely nothing going to do absolutely nothing to stop crime. >> never do on the european >> never do it on the european court of human rights meddling and interfering here we go again, time telling again, this time telling switzerland against switzerland it's against people's switzerland it's against peoplhave enough climate don't have strong enough climate

change who are these change laws, how? who are these judges to decide? it's apparently their politicians judge only judge on the panel the only judge on the panel the only judge to the ruling, judge to object to the ruling, interesting. to yvette interesting. we spoke to yvette cooper shadow home cooper this morning. shadow home secretary. the echr in secretary. she links the echr in with in northern with everything in northern ireland, good friday ireland, the good friday agreement. a agreement. so is it just a headune agreement. so is it just a headline sunak for headline for rishi sunak for suella coming suella braverman who's coming out and robert out and saying and robert jenrick i also claire jenrick and i think also claire coutinho all saying this is undemocratic, should coutinho all saying this is underthe atic, should coutinho all saying this is underthe echr. should coutinho all saying this is underthe echr. but should coutinho all saying this is underthe echr. but what.d coutinho all saying this is underthe echr. but what would leave the echr. but what would it mean for northern ireland? >> see what argument >> we'll see what my argument is. the uk the is. you just if the uk the easiest thing is the does easiest thing is the echr does them you like just say them you don't like just say thanks much. we're not thanks very much. we're not doing it because that's what france the time. france does all the time. >> right. well there you go. >> all right. well there you go. >> all right. well there you go. >> problem solved. >> problem solved. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> we're]. >> yeah. >> we're going to having >> but we're going to be having we're to debating that we're going to be debating that basically we've got a couple of people. and also in terms because it obviously because it was obviously about the well. the climate issue as well. >> anything the gender >> so, anything on the gender identity cast. identity report, the cast. >> today, i mean, big >> oh yeah. today, i mean, big debate on that. >> oh yeah. today, i mean, big detlte on that. >> oh yeah. today, i mean, big detl mean,hat. >> oh yeah. today, i mean, big detl mean, your paper's gone big >> i mean, your paper's gone big on it, andrea. >> i mean, it's basically saying the cast reports pretty much says, start this till says, don't even start this till you're about 25 because the brain still maturing. think

brain is still maturing. i think it a lot after it probably matures a lot after that too. >> think it's >> well, i think it's interesting about this report is all politicians are coming all the politicians are coming out absolutely, out saying, absolutely, we accept all unreservedly. accept all of this unreservedly. well, on a minute. have the well, hang on a minute. have the government actually failed to deal sooner because deal with this sooner because these generation of these this whole generation of kids treated like kids have been treated like guinea to honest. guinea pigs? to be honest. >> the fence over >> they've sat on the fence over it, i'm afraid. >> also, it won't mean >> and also, it won't mean anything health care anything if private health care still great a big problem. >> and it is so. >>— >> and it is so. >> so if you can afford it, you can still go and get your your. >> thank you guys. we've got the biggest private health care package going here. the great british giveaway £10,000 cash, luxury £10,000 british giveaway £10,000 cash, luxurycruise £10,000 british giveaway £10,000 cash, luxurycruise for £10,000 british giveaway £10,000 cash, luxurycruise for next 10,000 british giveaway £10,000 cash, luxurycruise for next year. 0 greek cruise for next year. here's how you could win it. >> this is your chance to win our biggest prize of the year so far. first, there's a totally tax free £10,000 in cash for you to spend this summer. then we want to send you on a bespoke seven night small boat cruise for two worth £10,000. thanks to variety cruises, you'll be able to choose from any of their 2025 greek adventures and discover greece like never before. and

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>> the year the nation decides. >> the year the nation decides. >> as the parties gear up their campaigns for the next general election. >> who will be left standing when the british people make one of the biggest decisions of their lives? >> who will rise and who will fall? >> let's find out together. >> let's find out together. >> every moment . the >> let's find out together. >> every moment. the highs, >> for every moment. the highs, the lows, the twists and turns, we'll be with you for every step of this journey. in 2024. gb news is britain's election . channel. >> well, we've experienced it so far this week. extreme weather again, particularly in west sussex, becoming an all too common phenomenal storm. kathleen. oh yeah, wreaking travel chaos and flooding. and it was the 11th storm to be named this season. >> so who better to speak to about how we can survive increasingly extreme weather than jim dale, who's written a book about surviving extreme weather, thank you very much for coming in. you're welcome. and this is an entertaining book

where you sort of give real life examples of what to do in these crises, like the people in sussex just experienced yesterday. >> yeah, it's not just about survival. it's also about the safety aspect. i mean, safety comes before survival. if that makes sense. but but yeah, and it goes it's co—written by the way. so i'm a co—author with michael hauck who's, who's a us, special forces , special forces. special forces, special forces. and the book is out in america at the moment. it's not out in the uk until the end of this month, around about the 25th, 26th, but yeah, go through all aspects of, of climate, weather and associated. so even things like insect invasions and all that. i mean , he's the expert in that. i mean, he's the expert in terms of how you do these things and i've got some good knowledge. but i wrote the meteorology , if that makes meteorology, if that makes sense. i wrote how these things occur, why they i almost think that if i'm going to be caught in anything, there are two things that scare me, earthquakes. so sort of earthquakes. so i'm sort of loathe to to japan and the

loathe to go to japan and the western coast of america because of earthquakes . and the other of earthquakes. and the other thing is fires, forest fires, wildfires . i thing is fires, forest fires, wildfires. i tend to go to portugal quite a lot, and there is a lot of forest around there. so if you're caught in a wildfire , what do you do? what wildfire, what do you do? what would you do? >> well, well, first of all, you'd hope you wouldn't be caught because the first thing to say is try to avoid the areas that are prone. so you've just said it for yourself. now, i'm not people should not not saying people should not travel because i'm scared of earthquakes, therefore earthquakes, and therefore i'm never go los never going to go to los angeles, ever. because, let's face days in the year, face it, 364 days in the year, you're going to fine. there's you're going to be fine. there's going problem. the going to be no problem. it's the one this book is one day this is this book is about the one day or the one hour you're actually hour where you're actually caught things. caught in these things. so, knowing knowing what your risks are first thing being are is the first thing being prepared that risk. so let's prepared for that risk. so let's just example, you just say, for example, you took this with you, you this book with you, you, you know, going on holiday know, you're going on holiday and you think, right, i'm in a wildfire what do need to wildfire zone. what do i need to do? you don't need to read do? well, you don't need to read the entire book. you read the chapter the wildfire. what chapter on the wildfire. what might you see

might you do and when you see a wildfire, there's a few things to think the fuel. what to think about. the fuel. what makes that happen in the first place? so combustion, the leaves, it a dry leaves, the trees. is it a dry zone? i am i at risk there? zone? am i am i at risk there? and then the wind. so you've got to and this sounds to know. and this sounds a little like like you've got little bit like like you've got to the meteorologist, but to be the meteorologist, but it's a bit like which way is the wind blowing. because, because you can run in the you can run. you can run in the wrong direction, that makes wrong direction, if that makes sense. easy. if you're sense. quite easy. if you're going escape. seen cars going to escape. we've seen cars going to escape. we've seen cars going wildfires. going through wildfires. you know, by them. >> but does it is it a logical thing do to to the sea, thing to do to head to the sea, in most cases , if the sea is in most cases, if the sea is very close, then the answer is yes, because the sea will not burn. so i think that happened in in greece, of years in in greece, a couple of years ago, it. where, where ago, didn't it. where, where they you know, there was they jumped, you know, there was no other jump into no other escape but jump into the and the same would be the sea. and the same would be for lake, upon. so again, know for a lake, upon. so again, know your know where you your environment, know where you can to know where your escape can go to know where your escape routes are. >> jim, i hope you'll forgive me. did say before the break me. i did say before the break that if are watching at that if people are watching at home wanted put points to home wanted to put any points to you, can. and, know,

you, they can. and, you know, sometimes opinion. sometimes splits opinion. of course, have you in, course, when we have you in, christopher says you're christopher renshaw says you're alarmist, another alarmist, but, and another question here says you are the merchant of doom, and people don't necessarily want to hear what you have to say. >> okay, so i just said 364 days a you'd be sitting pretty a year, you'd be sitting pretty and there'd be no problem. it isn't for those days in this country because there's other countries that it isn't 364 days. if you go to zimbabwe, for example, now they're in massive drought. and i'm not an alarmist. i i speak the truth, i speak the science. okay. make that absolutely clear. so i do follow, nasa, noaa , the met follow, nasa, noaa, the met office hadley centre and others in terms of what they're saying, i'm led by data. i'm not led by social media in that respect . social media in that respect. and these people who follow those threads, which are wrong, which are wrong, the evidence is very, very clear , and the very, very clear, and the incidents of, of , extreme incidents of, of, extreme weather are getting higher . if, weather are getting higher. if, if, if only and it's not if only

but if only the fact that the human population is getting higher in inhabiting places that they weren't there previously, you and which case then you know, and in which case then you know, and in which case then you do put yourself at arms length, just by the fact that we're a growing population. so there's no alarmism in this, this, this is a case. it's just like anything in the world, you know, medical wise. for example, if doctor comes on and talks if a doctor comes on and talks about, a certain way that you can avoid a certain, you know, that's not alarmism, that's good advice. and i hope i'm giving that across to, to the people. and you know, that's that's what it's about. >> you were enjoying the way he's titled his chapters. eamonn. yeah, here's a song. they're named after songs you sing them for us. >> riders on the storm. yeah, hurricanes and typhoons. they're twist and shout. but your first thing is here comes the sun . thing is here comes the sun. your preface, with all of this, which is a beautiful song which used to be associated with the bbc holiday program, as well. so it means good things to people. but increasingly vie not.

>> well, look, there's always something good i. i like to be a positive person. yeah. and a bit like when i walked in the studio or walked into here and i said, look, it's a nice day out there. and you did not even seen it because it was dark when i got up. yeah i think for the most part we can be positive with the weather. it'sjust the weather. it's just that the climate is racing of climate is racing ahead of us and that's danger. and that's that's the danger. now that it is racing now that, that that it is racing ahead us. temperatures are ahead of us. temperatures are ramping with much ramping and therefore with much more the atmosphere, more energy into the atmosphere, we're to see of these we're going to see more of these types of extreme events. >> jim, thanks much >> well, jim, thanks very much indeed. with the book. indeed. good luck with the book. the you're welcome. the book. you're welcome. surviving extreme the surviving extreme weather, the complete change complete climate change preparedness there complete climate change pris aredness there complete climate change pris .redness there complete climate change pris . andzss there complete climate change pris . and here there complete climate change pris . and here is there complete climate change pris . and here is the there complete climate change pris . and here is the weatherre it is. and here is the weather guy by- >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar the sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello. very good morning to you. welcome to the latest forecast from the met office. it's a bright start for many of

us, but it will turn increasingly cloudy this morning with more rain to come, especially across western and northwestern parts . that's where northwestern parts. that's where the rain is already arriving through morning. we keep the through the morning. we keep the sunshine in the east least sunshine in the east at least until lunchtime , but well, it until lunchtime, but well, it does get squeezed out by thickening cloud and a freshening breeze. along with those outbreaks of rain. the rain will be on and off and mostly light in the south. towards the northwest. it will be heavy and persistent, particularly for western scotland there is a rain scotland where there is a rain warning because saturated warning because of the saturated ground have here. ground we currently have here. temperatures up to 15 celsius. not feeling very pleasant with the cloud and those outbreaks of rain. however, once the rain does move through, it does turn dner does move through, it does turn drier for a time in the south and southeast , albeit with a lot and southeast, albeit with a lot of low cloud, some hill fog, and then we've got further outbreaks of rain across parts of the of rain across many parts of the country. persistent country. again most persistent towards of scotland. towards the west of scotland. overnight but a mild night because of the southwesterly wind and the extensive cloud coven wind and the extensive cloud cover. some places no lower than 12 or 13 celsius. now thursday

morning starts off with those grey leaden skies staying damp and gloomy in the south, as well as the far north—east in between. the cloud does break up for a time, so some sunshine coming through for scotland, for northeast england, for example, and feeling considerably warmer. temperatures up to 18 or 19 celsius in the east before further rain comes along later. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, sponsors of weather on

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