gb news. >> good morning, and welcome to the camilla tominey show. with iran having launched a major drone israel drone strike on israel overnight, a busy week in westminster has turned into a very worrying weekend for the world. i'm going to be discussing latest news discussing the very latest news from the middle east the from the middle east with the editor jewish chronicle, editor of the jewish chronicle, jake as well as jake wallis simons, as well as looking at this morning's top stories. this week, we finally received confirmation from the final that final cas report that the fanatical aided fanatical trans lobby, aided by useful in schools, the useful idiots in schools, the nhs, private clinics and the charity sector have been responsible for arguably the biggest safeguarding biggest children's safeguarding scandal in living memory. but what consequences will these pronoun obsessed gender ideologues face? i'll be asking

the health secretary, victoria atkins. i'll also be speaking to margaret thatcher's former economics adviser, sir john redwood, be telling me redwood, who'll be telling me why we can't afford net zero and what's going wrong at the bank of england? the former culture secretary and johnson secretary and boris johnson loyalist nadine dorries will be here she won't here in the studio and she won't be holding back, giving us her two pennies worth on the ongoing troubles in westminster and as the rayner, the heat rises on angela rayner, will to stand will starmer continue to stand by his shadow deputy pm? i'll be asking former secretary of state for northern ireland shaun woodward take on the woodward for his take on the affair, and the author, angus hanton, will be sharing his new book vassal state, which explores how influenced our explores just how influenced our lives are in britain. by america. we're going to be covering a lot over the next 90 minutes, so do not think of going anywhere. well, let's kick off as ever

with the sunday morning papers. i'm delighted to be joined by the editor of the jewish chronicle . jake wallis simons. chronicle. jake wallis simons. jake, thanks for coming in, because i know you've had very because i know you've had a very busy covering for your own busy night covering for your own newspaper. what's been happening in it in israel? i found it interesting. obviously that most of the newspapers changed up. what interesting was the of the newspapers changed up. wha on interesting was the of the newspapers changed up. wha on sundayeresting was the of the newspapers changed up. whaon sunday changed'as the of the newspapers changed up. whaon sunday changed upthe of the newspapers changed up. whaon sunday changed up its�* sun on sunday changed up its front page cover this missile front page to cover this missile blitz as it describes it. so this is a story that sort of transcends the broadsheets. it transcends the broadsheets. it transcends foreign pages . transcends the foreign pages. you've written really you've written a really interesting you've written a really intethe ing you've written a really intethe sunday where us, the sunday telegraph, where you're accusing biden you're basically accusing biden of appeasement on iran . and of appeasement on iran. and i mean, you're i don't think you're being alarmist, but you are sort of raising spectre are sort of raising the spectre of in something of this escalating in something very, difficult very, very difficult for the western right. i mean, the very, very difficult for the westthat right. i mean, the very, very difficult for the westthat led1t. i mean, the very, very difficult for the westthat led usi mean, the very, very difficult for the westthat led us herein, the very, very difficult for the westthat led us here really was path that led us here really was one of american appeasement. ever joe biden took over ever since joe biden took over in the white house, he spent his time with regard to iran, trying to get them back into a nuclear

deal to get them back into a nuclear deal, was what donald deal, which was what donald trump of in trump pulled america out of in 2018. i think it was because it really wasn't working very well. and during that time of appeasement that he basically ignored his own sanctions to iran, releasing $16 billion of frozen sanctions money into the iranian coffers, partly as part of this ridiculous hostage deal where he got five americans for a sum of $6 billion, which is 1.2 billion per head. i mean, it's quite a lot of money incentivising further hostage taking . but this appeasement led taking. but this appeasement led to the iranians making more nuclear progress than they had before. all the key landmarks in terms of enriching uranium to 20, 60. and so forth were achieved during time. and achieved during that time. and the the iranians the message that the iranians received we push the message that the iranians receenvelope we push the message that the iranians receenvelope further/e push the message that the iranians receenvelope further and push the message that the iranians receenvelope further and further the envelope further and further and further. and the iranian approach is like approach really is like grandmothers . footsteps that you grandmothers. footsteps that you sort of when the back is turned,

you take a few steps and you stop when the when the person turns back. but the americans have brought have never really brought themselves to turn around. fiercly and stop them to bring that deterrence to that sort of that deterrence to play. therefore, the play. and so therefore, the iranians thought iranians clearly have thought that they can launch this unprecedented, massive attack on israel and not experience a devastating looks devastating response that looks like kind of where the where the americans are pressuring israel to go. now how worrying are iran's nuclear capabilities as it stands today? well, look, they are according to intelligence assessments, there are about a week away from enough fissile material for one bomb. that's a week of progress. so they trigger that at so they could trigger that at any point. once you've got any point. then once you've got that you still need to that material, you still need to get it to work on a warhead, and that will take a matter of a few months. that's the best assessment. now is that right? is don't is it accurate? we don't entirely could entirely know. they could have reached threshold reached that threshold already. frankly we're not certain. the eyes of the world have been firmly fixed on the gaza conflict, obviously. and one wonders whether the iranians have been so quiet because they've forward they've been pushing forward that background . that progress in the background. >> you think that changes >> how do you think that changes things the of

things in terms of the kind of perception of netanyahu, the proportionality perception of netanyahu, the pr

you we agree that you know, we all agree with that . but they could have worked constructively to constructively with israel to destroy hamas while protecting civilians possible . civilians as much as possible. and the reason why they should be embarrassed now is that clearly the stakes have been have been greatly increased by this iranian attack. now they're pulling behind israel . now their pulling behind israel. now their their previous lack of support for israel are being shown to be ridiculously hollow because they're you sending they're now, you know, sending fighter into the skies to fighter jets into the skies to protect the jewish state as they should doing. they're protect the jewish state as they should theiring. they're protect the jewish state as they should their previous they're protect the jewish state as they should their previous position protect the jewish state as they shou utterlyr previous position protect the jewish state as they shou utterly absurd. 15 position protect the jewish state as they shou utte bring surd. 15 position protect the jewish state as they shou utte bring this. 15 position protect the jewish state as they shou utte bring this. 15 pcto ion >> let's bring this back to britain, i've kind of put a compendium of stories together, which are in the telegraph, and given headline given them the headline useful idiots question i we idiots question mark. i mean, we read bbc arabic presenter read that a bbc arabic presenter tells a show guest he should apologise for his israeli sympathy. we've got anti—hamas protesters defeating police bans . obviously, we know that there are more marches that have taken place in the capital yesterday. we've got a pro—palestinian activist making a throat cut

gesture at israeli group . gesture at israeli group. >> i think the i mean, the thing that draws all this together is that draws all this together is that people too many that people still too many people that people don't realise that israel's is essential israel's security is essential to our security, you know, because if i mean, you know, a scenario of world war that would drag us into conflict is very easy to consider. i mean, for example , if the iranian attack example, if the iranian attack were to continue and if israel were to continue and if israel were forced to respond in, the americans were forced to respond as well . that would be a moment as well. that would be a moment where china, example, would where china, for example, would seek attack taiwan, splitting seek to attack taiwan, splitting american forces and causing us as well to send assets into the indo pacific. at that point, putin could seize the opportunity to estonia or opportunity to attack estonia or moldova and indeed launched missiles at london, because we've primary supporter we've been the primary supporter of ukraine. that's easy to imagine. suddenly we find imagine. and suddenly we find ourselves in a situation where missiles are raining down on london. our armed forces are enough to what, fill half of wembley stadium, our trident missiles. at the last test plopped we've got plopped into the sea. we've got an carrier with a rusty an aircraft carrier with a rusty propeller that couldn't even get out not

out of harbour. we're not prepared for war. and also we would people marching on prepared for war. and also we w0lstreets people marching on prepared for war. and also we w0lstreets ineople marching on prepared for war. and also we wol streets in favournarching on prepared for war. and also we wol streets in favour of 'ching on prepared for war. and also we wol streets in favour of gaza. on the streets in favour of gaza. every saturday may coming up every saturday may be coming up with new chants supporting iran, you know, iran, iran make us proud or something like that. >> the situation where you'd have on the streets of have people on the streets of britain in favour britain chanting in favour of iran, least everything britain chanting in favour of iran happened everything britain chanting in favour of iran happened there everything britain chanting in favour of iran happened there ev> well, actually, i'm not speaking in hypothetical hypotheticals last week, hypotheticals because last week, or weeks ago, there hypotheticals because last week, or the weeks ago, there hypotheticals because last week, or the annualweeks ago, there hypotheticals because last week, or the annual aleks ago, there hypotheticals because last week, or the annual al quds]0, there hypotheticals because last week, or the annual al quds day1ere hypotheticals because last week, or the annual al quds day march was the annual al quds day march taking london. that taking place in london. that is an that was an iranian march that was started by the tehran regime. it's been taking place year after year around the world, including in britain, by iranian sympathisers expressing support for iran. that's already happening on our streets,

attracting tens of thousands of people, including people expressing open for terror. >> what should happen that >> what should happen about that day, police , day, jake? i mean, the police, we've had successive home secretaries saying the police we've had successive home secre thees saying the police we've had successive home secre the powers; the police we've had successive home secre the powers to 1e police we've had successive home secre the powers to stop»lice we've had successive home secre the powers to stop these have the powers to stop these marches and choose not to do so. do that rhetoric, or do you buy that rhetoric, or do you the government you think the government needs to do say, banning such marches? >> well, i mean, don't >> well, look, i mean, i don't think further think that we need further legislation. problem is legislation. the problem is we've legislation that we've got the legislation that we've got the legislation that we ban, you know, hate we need to ban, you know, hate preachers inciting to violence up to ban up and down the country to ban expressions support for open, expressions of support for open, you know, for terrorist groups on so but on our streets and so forth. but the problem is it's not being enforced. and if the police were to enforce the law, these marches would not be able to happen because of happen because some of the organisers close organisers themselves are close to have close to to hamas or have been close to hamas in past. so if that hamas in the past. so if that was out, marches was taken out, the marches wouldn't happening. was taken out, the marches wotlet's happening. was taken out, the marches wotlet's imoveiing. was taken out, the marches wotlet's imove over to >> let's just move over to australia, obviously. the killing of six people at the westfield shopping centre in bondi have bondi junction would have been more front more prominent on the front pages it not been for what pages had it not been for what happenedin pages had it not been for what happened in israel last night. let's just focus in the sunday express on this police express has on this police officer, police

officer, this female police officer. i it's a very officer. i mean, it's a very distressing actually. but distressing image actually. but in newspapers, you'll know as an edhon in newspapers, you'll know as an editor, sort of take editor, jake, you sort of take a decision. you that decision. should you run that kind shot? i in this kind of shot? i think in this case because what it's case you do, because what it's really up is the bravery really summing up is the bravery of young officer. of this young female officer. she's the she's apparently been down the road completely road doing something completely different. screams, different. she hears screams, she in, she risks life to she goes in, she risks life to save life. she goes and shoots this guy , i mean, it does beg this guy, i mean, it does beg the question. i think in the this was not a terror attack. this was a man clearly with mental health issues. however, the vulnerability of shopping centres per se is always something that's personally worried me. i've got children , worried me. i've got children, they want to go to shopping centres, you know, anyone can stroll of and stroll in and out of them. and it's about shopping it's the thing about shopping centres, particularly like westfield, can home westfield, is they can be home at point hundreds not at that point to hundreds if not thousands people who i think thousands of people who i think are quite vulnerable begs the question, perhaps, about whether we police we should be arming our police in obviously, in this country. obviously, this copper so copper was able to respond so quickly effectively quickly and so effectively because she a weapon. because she carried a weapon. >> i mean, look, you know, >> yeah, i mean, look, you know, she example of the best she was an example of the best of society and the

of australian society and the best of the west, i think. and it reminded little bit of it reminded me a little bit of the, the siege in nairobi of the shopping centre there. remember in an off duty sas in 2013 when an off duty sas officer, christian craighead, went in by himself rescued went in by himself and rescued countless so , yes, you countless lives so, yes, you know, extraordinary heroism, total absence of cowardice, which is something that cannot be said of political be said of our political classes. modi's name. classes. and modi's name. >> let's just name this. amy scott, amy scott, amy scott, who i think must be in line for some sort sort recognition sort of sort of recognition of her because just her bravery because it's just extraordinary and shot this man stopped tried to stopped him, and then tried to help attention, help him with medical attention, which right thing to do. help him with medical attention, whi it right thing to do. help him with medical attention, whi it just right thing to do. help him with medical attention, whi it just showsjht thing to do. help him with medical attention, whi it just shows that1ing to do. help him with medical attention, whi it just shows that compassion >> it just shows that compassion alongside cpr, courage on the guy that was was basically unleashed reign of abject unleashed this reign of abject terror on ordinary people going about business. terror on ordinary people going about of business. terror on ordinary people going about of coursezss. terror on ordinary people going about of course ,is. terror on ordinary people going about of course , our hearts go >> and of course, our hearts go out to the families of the victims this. know , victims in all this. you know, young in hospital. young mum, a baby in hospital. it's belief , it's just beggars belief, really, let's move on to a final domestic story because it has again dominated the papers. labour hoped this story would go away, jake, didn't they? and yet we've testimony

we've got yet more testimony suggesting that angela rayner has lied about this to home situation has become, she once bragged, i think of being prescott in skirt, and we've prescott in a skirt, and we've gone to homes. gone from two jags to two homes. rayner is her position tenable as shadow deputy pm? do you think after all this? >> well, i think she's become a liability, hasn't she. i mean she you know labour has has positioned clean positioned itself as the clean party. you know tory sleaze, party. you know the tory sleaze, all stuff all the kind of partygate stuff pointing all the kind of partygate stuff poirwas one of the main finger she was one of the main finger pointers, i think, and that she was in a, in a, in a hotly contested field in that in calling for others to resign, you resign , publish you must resign, publish your tax calling tax return and calling the tories memorably . and now tories scum memorably. and now it the chickens have come it seems the chickens have come home has become home to roost and she has become a liability , although very a liability, although she's very useful because useful to keir starmer because she left of the she does keep the left of the party and therefore party quite happy and therefore it's to be a void that it's going to be a void that he'll have to fill. >> and then you have to ask yourself who's he going to fill it he does her to it with? if he does ask her to step indeed, if she step down, or indeed, if she volunteers step down this volunteers to step down this week. looking likely week. it's not looking likely at the but that's a the moment, but that's a difficulty politically, difficulty for him politically, isn't difficulty for him politically, isn'i angela is is

difficulty for him politically, isunique angela is is difficulty for him politically, isunique politician. is is difficulty for him politically, isunique politician. she's is is difficulty for him politically, isunique politician. she's got is a unique politician. she's got this proper class this proper working class credentials and working class roots links that she's roots and those links that she's that played know that she's played on, you know a lot you know, being lot about, you know, being a young and all that young grandmother and all that sort she's a great sort of stuff. she's got a great appeal in appeal and a lot of support in the her crashing and the party. and her crashing and burning is very difficult for keir how you keir starmer because how do you fill that gap? >> we watched that space >> well, we watched that space this week in westminster. jake and i have got a lot more work to do on the jewish chronicle. i'll let back to that. i'll let you get back to that. but for joining i'll let you get back to that. but forjoining me. but thank you for joining me. this thank very this morning. thank you very much, coming up next, i'm going to former cabinet to be joined by former cabinet minister redwood. i'll minister sirjohn redwood. i'll be why he thinks be grilling him on why he thinks the england got the bank of england has got a lot answer for.

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you very much, now i'm interested in your updating your work on green policy. it's titled the $275 billion green revolution . will consumers buy revolution. will consumers buy it. and i'm interested in that john because as you know, i think our viewers and our listeners are a little sceptical about net zero. a basic question can afford net zero? can we afford net zero? >> well, not the way we're doing it at the moment because it's too much top down with government subsidising things that don't work very well and not popular. the point of my bookis not popular. the point of my book is to say that the please governments around the world understand, if you want to do this, to work this, you've got to work with industry and business to find products better and products that are better and cheaper and things that people want to buy. it will only take off if we all want to buy cars that they think are green , and that they think are green, and heating systems they think are green. out green. i'm also pointing out that quite a lot of the current technologies, like the electric car or the heating pump, don't actually help solve the global carbon dioxide problem because we don't generate enough

renewable power in this country. if you or i bought an electric car, if we could afford to and addedit car, if we could afford to and added it to the system overnight, they'd have to burn more gas in a power station to recharge it. so what's the point of yes, and there would of that? yes, and there would also a huge amount co2 also be a huge amount of co2 generated by actually making the car. generated by actually making the can the generated by actually making the car. the heat car. same problems with the heat pump where you need a lot of electricity when cold electricity when it's cold outside in order to make them work. and that's not work. and if that's not generated green way, it generated in a green way, it doesn't they're doesn't work. they they're so far solving far away from solving the problems of how you store green energy in a cheap and affordable way. and until you can store it, you're always going to need fossil fuel backup to run. when it's really cold and wind it's really cold and the wind isn't blowing. pose all isn't blowing. so i pose all these problems for these difficult problems for them , if you're serious them and say, if you're serious about getting co2 back about getting co2 down, go back to drawing board . work with to the drawing board. work with the market, not against the market, understand none of market, and understand none of this is going to work. you're this is going to work. if you're lecturing, badgering , and making lecturing, badgering, and making points to customers they don't want to hear. and if you end up banning things and trying to tax

us out of existence. the other point about the banning of petrols and diesels , a friend petrols and diesels, a friend lent me their hybrid car last week, so had a drive around in this car, and i sort of thought to myself, i think david davis has made this point, that if you wanted people to improve, move, and as much petrol and and not use as much petrol and diesel have diesel and actually to have a sort of hybrid model of an electric that they can use for short journeys, and then, you know, 80% of journeys short, know, 80% of journeys are short, 20% so you're cutting 20% are long. so you're cutting down petrol and diesel down your petrol and diesel consumption to 20, and you're improving electricity use improving your electricity use or the use of electric car by 80. why didn't they specify that people should have hybrids as opposed to this arbitrary ban on diesels and petrols? it's a mistake, isn't it? regardless of whether they've delayed the timeline on it, it's a complete mistake for the reasons i've been describing to you. >> the very good point >> and the very good point you're that is you're making that hybrid is a is a consumer bridge to a more electrical future, which is much more practical until they sorted out problem range , and

out the problem of range, and also helps a bit with my point that there's not a lot of point of adding a whole load of electric cars to the system until a whole of until you've got a whole lot of reliable renewable electricity and it . and you've got a surplus of it. and to that, we're going to and to do that, we're going to have a more grid. have to build a lot more grid. for these are the for example, these are the things to come things that have to come first. you grid. need the you need the grid. you need the big battery storage, or you need the of water to the conversion of water to hydrogen energy. you hydrogen using green energy. you need technologies need one of these technologies to be backed and to take off. and i compare the green revolution with the digital revolution. governments revolution. and governments don't or offer don't ban things or offer subsidies or grants in order to get you or me to have a smartphone or a computer pad , smartphone or a computer pad, and people buy them, even though it's quite expensive because they do things we want to do and they do things we want to do and they provide a great service , they provide a great service, and that's what they've got to get if their green get to. if their green revolution is going take off. revolution is going to take off. so government with so listen, government work with consumers , don't start banning consumers, don't start banning things and we can't afford all the huge tax subsidies they're trying to put to in back up products that people don't want to buy. it's just ridiculous.

economics and it's pretty bad politics. i think wherever you get to the point where the unpleasant green ban or tax is on the ballot paper, the green thing loses . as we've seen in thing loses. as we've seen in quite a number of european elections already talking about economics and indeed politics. >> you'll be familiar that liz truss has just produced a new book, ten years to save the west, where she's highly critical of the sort of economic infrastructure of this nation , infrastructure of this nation, so to speak, she wrote. kwasi kwarteng and i agreed that there was a triumvirate of problems the treasury, the bank of england and the office for budget responsibility, which between them had presided over the drift economic in the drift of economic policy in britain for 30 years. i wondered if you agreed with that analysis or too simplistic? john or is it too simplistic? john >> well, i've certainly been very critical of the treasury in the bank over much of that 30 years when i've making years when i've been making pubuc years when i've been making public statements on the subject. what's subject. and what's been so depressing i've been depressing is whenever i've been very critical and said, you're now going to have an inflation or you're to

or you're going to have a recession, we normally end up recession, we normally do end up with inflation a with either an inflation or a recession the bank says it recession, and the bank says it didn't see it coming, there didn't see it coming, or there were factors. had were special factors. we had competition credit control competition and credit control in the early 70s, floated the money with money supply, ended up with a big inflation. they blamed the arabs oil embargo . and arabs and the oil embargo. and then we had the european exchange rate mechanism. i was one of the lonely voices in the government saying, goodness government saying, for goodness sake, this . it will sake, don't do this. it will give or bust. it give us boom or bust. it actually boom bust . actually gave us boom and bust. and happened. they and same thing happened. they bloated , they bloated the money supply, they printed pounds like they were going out fashion. so they going out of fashion. so they were trying to keep were desperately trying to keep the pound down to the value of the pound down to comply silly scheme . comply with this silly scheme. and they got the and then once they got the inflation, went the inflation, the markets went the other and the pound crashed other way and the pound crashed and they had put interest and they had to put interest rates the roof and they rates through the roof and they got a slump. it was absolute got a slump. it was an absolute disaster. political disaster. all main political parties stupidly signed up for it. violent it. and we had this violent cycle . and more recently cycle. and now more recently we've got a toned down version of that. we had massive over printing of money under qe in 2021. i agree with 2020 because they needed to offset their

massive lockdown somehow, and now we've got the opposite. they're destroying money by selling bonds at huge losses and burdening the taxpayer. and surprise, surprise, we've had a technical recession and again, remind us of the that remind us of the loss suffered by selling these bonds off john. >> what does it amount to? >> what does it amount to? >> well, so far over about 18 month period since they've been selling them under loss, the taxpayers have had to pay the bank of england £50 billion. would you believe . and i seem to would you believe. and i seem to be the only mp who thinks this wrong. i don't want my number one spending priority to be paying one spending priority to be paying the of paying subsidies to the bank of england . and look at the england. and if you look at the obr say they're obr forecasts, they say they're going be tens of billions going to be tens of billions more come they more losses to come and they could another 40 billion could lose another 40 billion this for example. well, this year, for example. well, again, not my spending again, it's not my spending priority that we spend 40 billion on subsidising the banks. so my message to the bank and government is stop and the government is stop selling bonds. and that selling the bonds. and that would quite bit would cut the losses quite a bit . and look at what the european central is doing. they made

central bank is doing. they made the same error qe central bank is doing. they made the same error oe and the same error with oe and inflation of england inflation that bank of england did. correcting it did. they're not correcting it in the way. they're not in the same way. they're not selling bonds in market. selling any bonds in the market. they when they they let them run off when they mature. are much less mature. the losses are much less and out a and they're spread out over a time and they're time period. and they're not paying time period. and they're not paying commercial banks the paying the commercial banks the full, much higher interest rate now their reserves . we now and all their reserves. we never used to either. the bank of england is. so that's another great big loss for the taxpayer. >> the bank of england >> but is the bank of england basically failing the british pubuc basically failing the british public then? because public then? i mean, because this catalogue of this is sort of a catalogue of errors identified errors that you've identified here for here being responsible for recent high inflation, selling off bonds, costing us billions? >> yes. i think the bank has performed extremely badly over most of my adult lifetime . there most of my adult lifetime. there have been little periods when it's got it right . we've had a it's got it right. we've had a few years when it's worked, but it's been these big lurches in policy. it was the qe it's been these big lurches in policy. it was the oe and now the quantitative tightening policy, which is doing all the damage. now it was an extraordinary it's extraordinary policy. it's the kind that latin kind of thing that latin american central banks used to do up with inflation.

do and ended up with inflation. and we never did that. i could live with it in 2020 because of the extreme policy being adopted to close down a great chunk of the economy, but they carried on with far too long, and now with it far too long, and now their correction is entirely wrong. no other central bank in the world is both selling huge numbers of bonds at colossal losses and getting it all reimbursed taxpayer . this reimbursed by the taxpayer. this is a gross policy error in the united kingdom. john we've only got minute left briefly, got a minute left so briefly, the election . do the next general election. do you think it's going to be a 92, a 97 or something completely different? well it will be something different. i never predict i'm i'm predict an election. i'm i'm fighting, you must the fighting, you must go to the commentariat and pollsters to deal with that. i we've got several months left this several months left to this government. i understand several months left to this gthinkment. i understand several months left to this gthink itznt. i understand several months left to this gthink it needs i understand several months left to this gthink it needs tomderstand several months left to this gthink it needs to change nd several months left to this gthink it needs to change some i think it needs to change some things better. and if we things for the better. and if we made this big change the made this big change in the approach bank of england, approach of the bank of england, which government is quite which the government is quite entitled signed entitled to do, they signed off all easing. it all the quantitative easing. it was joint policy. would was a joint policy. we would then latitude for some then have some latitude for some tax cuts and for, the money we

might need to sort out the doctor's position. for example . doctor's position. for example. and everybody would be a lot better off. so can we please government stop subsidising the bank policy bank of england for a policy that clearly wrong? that is clearly wrong? >> do you think there'll be another fiscal event before the next general election? another fiscal event before the nexyes,1eral election? another fiscal event before the nexyes,1e assume :ion? another fiscal event before the nexyes,1e assume so.? another fiscal event before the nexyes,1eassume so. i assume >> yes, i assume so. i assume that running until >> yes, i assume so. i assume that the running until >> yes, i assume so. i assume that the end1ning until >> yes, i assume so. i assume that the end of1g until >> yes, i assume so. i assume that the end of the ntil >> yes, i assume so. i assume that the end of the year, and towards the end of the year, and i assume there will be perhaps an early autumn autumn statement this year , which really means this year, which really means you get two budgets a year. and i'm urging them to sort out these financial matters. i think there other things can there are other things we can save don't think we save money on. i don't think we should much on should be spending as much on green and green subsidies either. and then we some money we can give some more money back to people so that the tax position improves and the economy . that's we economy picks up. that's what we need to do. >> john redwood, we to >> so john redwood, we have to leave you leave it there. but thank you very indeed your wisdom very much indeed for your wisdom and morning. and experience this morning. it's speak to it's been lovely to speak to you. more to in you. lots more to come in the next hour. going to be next hour. i'm going to be joined by health secretary victoria atkins and the plot author nadine dorries, straight off the back of a secret rendezvous off the back of a secret rendez'you want

welcome back to the camilla tominey show. so much more to come in the next hour. very shortly, i'll be joined by the health secretary, victoria atkins michael gove's atkins and michael gove's nemesis, nadine dorries. i'll be getting their thoughts on whether rayner should whether angela rayner should remain deputy but remain as shadow deputy pm. but first, news with sam first, here's the news with sam francis . francis. >> camilla, thank you very much and good morning from the newsroom just after 10:00. and we start with some breaking news coming to in the last hour. coming to us in the last hour. israel that its israel says that its confrontation with iran is not over yet. that's amid rising tensions following major drone strikes by tehran last night . strikes by tehran last night. iran is now threatening to launch a much larger attack if israel retaliates. iran's state media also carried a warning for the us, saying its bases would

be targeted if washington backs israel's military response. raf jets were used to shoot down iranian drones last night, most of which were intercepted without causing any significant damage, though a small number did reach israel, damage, though a small number did reach israel , critically did reach israel, critically injuring injuring a seven year old causing some damage old girl and causing some damage to an army base. video if you're watching on television, you can see here emerged showing a group of iranians gathered outside the british embassy in tehran appearing to celebrate the attack. well, former chair of the defence select committee tobias ellwood told gb news that israel's defence capabilities were key to containing the strike last night. >> by any measure, this was a brazen state on state attack. harnessing the latest tools of modern warfare. there's drones and missiles to its full. the scale of which, you know, targeting much of israel, much of the country would have caused a colossal loss of life had it not been for israel's sophisticated iron dome air defence system. so iran clearly

now wants to draw a line under this after its attacks and so forth. but there's no doubt that this conflict in the middle east is escalating . is escalating. >> well, following last night's developments, rishi sunak has condemned what he called iran's reckless attack in the strongest terms. meanwhile, us president joe biden has pledged a coordinated international response and leaders from the united states, canada, italy, britain , france, germany and britain, france, germany and japan are all due to hold a video meeting this afternoon to discuss the attack . angela discuss the attack. angela rayneris discuss the attack. angela rayner is facing mounting pressure over her two homes row, after a former aide told police that she had not told the truth about her real home. her former chief adviser has given a statement to greater manchester police contradicting her claims. matt finnigan said there was no doubtin matt finnigan said there was no doubt in his mind that the labour mps actual home in 2014 was with her then husband, not at a former council house where

she was registered to live . she was registered to live. police have this week launched an investigation looking into possible breaches of electoral law. the deputy labour leader promised to step down if it's determined she did commit a criminal offence, but said she has followed all the rules at all times. sir keir starmer says he does have full confidence in her. the conservative mp tim loughton has announced he'll stand down at the next election, joining a growing list of departing conservative mps. he's represented east worthing and shoreham since 1997, but says it's wiser to leave five minutes too soon than continue for five years too long. his decision adds to the 64 conservative mps who are not seeking re—election . who are not seeking re—election. the veteran backbencher becomes the 100th mp overall to step down. the family of a man who killed six people in a stabbing attack at a shopping centre in sydney yesterday, has described his actions as truly horrific. 40 year old joel cauchi was

identified as the assailant who carried out a killing spree near bondi beach. five people, four women and a man died at the scene. another woman , the mother scene. another woman, the mother of a nine year old baby, later died in hospital and her child, who was also attacked, is understood to be recovering well. the family of the attacker say he had been suffering from mental health issues since he was a teenager, and they released a statement in support of the police officer who killed him , saying she was only doing him, saying she was only doing her job. him, saying she was only doing herjob. the premier of him, saying she was only doing her job. the premier of the state of new south wales, chris minns, has paid tribute to the emergency crews and members of the many people would be showing >> many people would be showing real at so people real anger at so many people having been killed and real loss of life, and the individual stories of those that have been killed that have been reported in media are heartbreaking . in the media are heartbreaking. and, i of want to search and, i kind of want to search for lining, but has for a silver lining, but it has been to complete been incredible to see complete strangers in, run towards strangers jump in, run towards the danger, put their own lives , the danger, put their own lives, in harm's way to save someone

that they've never met before . that they've never met before. and look, there's not too many positives to take out of a horrifying event, but we've got some wonderful people in our city. >> that's the latest from the newsroom . i'll be back at 11:00. newsroom. i'll be back at 11:00. until then, you can sign up to gb news alerts. just scan that code there on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts. now though, it's back to . camilla. >> thanks, sam. welcome back. lots more still to come today . lots more still to come today. i've just in a minute. i'm going to be speaking to victoria atkins , the former pm boris atkins, the former pm boris johnson criticised johnson has criticised government's proposals for a ban on tobacco, which he said has the party of cigar smoking. winston churchill is quotes completely nuts. what does she make of these comments? ahead of the proposed bill on tuesday, i'll also be speaking to former northern ireland secretary shaun woodward. he angela woodward. does he think angela rayner on to her rayner can hold on to her position as shadow deputy or position as shadow deputy pm, or resign, called resign, as she's called for a number colleagues do number of colleagues to do so?

before culture secretary before former culture secretary nadine dorries will be here to spill on the spill the beans on the westminster and i'll be westminster chaos and i'll be asking whether close asking her whether her close confidante, boris johnson, is planning comeback. course planning a comeback. of course i'll that and i'll i'll be asking her that and i'll be later by the author, be joined later by the author, angus whose new book, angus hanton, whose new book, vassal whether vassal state, looks at whether the uk has become the 51st state of for all that, of america. but for all that, let's bring victoria atkins, the health secretary, into the conversation now. she's also the conservative mp for louth and horncastle . lovely to see you horncastle. lovely to see you this morning, health secretary. let's with events let's start with events overnight in israel. how worried should gb viewers and listeners be about this escalation in the middle east? >> well, this was a significant attack by iran on israel. and of course, our thoughts are with everyone who have been affected by these attacks. and let us not forget, this wasn't just drones . forget, this wasn't just drones. this was also apparently missiles being fired over the region into israel. now, i hope your viewers will understand this is a very fast moving

military situation. and so the i'm limited in what i can tell people and how i can update people. but what we do know is that the prime minister, the foreign secretary and others are working with our international partners to try and de—escalate tension in the area and to support israel in this difficult time, but also to ensure that we do not see further attacks further by iran. we do not see this because what we none of us want to see, the humanitarian impacts that this is having in the region . the region. >> i appreciate your words there about de—escalating the current tensions. however, i'm assuming that britain will step up its military support to israel should the time come to do that . should the time come to do that. >> so you've just stopped. my sounds just stopped, but i'm going to answer anyway , because going to answer anyway, because i know that your brilliant sound people will be able to get the

sound back to me. i think you were asking me about the united kingdom standing with israel, and are? you are right. of and you are? you are right. of course. we as a free democracy want to stand with the people of israel. israel is the only democracy in the region. it had that a terrible , terrible attack that a terrible, terrible attack in october. and we remind ourselves that there are still hostages that are held captive by hamas . and of course, we want by hamas. and of course, we want those hostages to be freed. we also want a humanitarian pause so that we can get aid into the affected area. that is a really important point, but we will be working across our, you know, free democracies across the world to ensure that we stand with israel, but we do so to try and de—escalate the tensions in the region, because nobody wants to see an escalation in the sorts of military activities that we have seen in the last 12

hours. >> health secretary, can you hear me ? you said you had hear me? you said you had a problem with sound. can you hear me clearly? >> i'm afraid i have no audio. >> i'm afraid i have no audio. >> okay? and we're going to go to a break now and try and get the health secretary back so that hear me, because that she can hear me, because i'm obviously intrigued to hear her to of her responses to some of my questions the report questions about the cas report into transgender situation into the transgender situation with children in the nhs and indeed schools. so let's just indeed in schools. so let's just have a quick pause now, and we'll

yes welcome back to the camilla tominey show, where i hope we've resolved our sound problems with the health secretary, victoria atkins . health secretary, can atkins. health secretary, can you hear yes i can, yes. you hear me? yes i can, yes. fabulous. let's just talk for the remaining time about the cas report. i suppose a simple question. you've been quite sort of your rhetoric on this has been really strong. you've said

that the nhs must reveal the fate of transgender young fate of 9000 transgender young people treated by the tavistock clinic. obviously, this report suggesting that children have been given puberty blockers and cross—sex hormones despite, as hilary cass has said, remarks , hilary cass has said, remarks, ably weak evidence that does vindicate you know, jk rowling, feminists. people like me have been writing about this for years. i suppose the question that remains the government that remains for the government is if you were going to go out tomorrow as a child and want to be prescribed puberty blockers, you still could write. >> well, first of all, may i start by thanking you, camilla and the many, many other people who have have battled against this culture of secrecy and intimidation and ideology over recent years. you know, we people have dared to ask questions, perfectly reasonable questions, perfectly reasonable questions about the form of this, some of these treatment pathways, whether they're the right thing in the best

interests children, and they right thing in the best interethen children, and they right thing in the best interethen beendren, and they right thing in the best interethen been shut and they right thing in the best interethen been shut and tipeople have then been shut up by people who focus only on the ideology rather than on the very, very complex needs of many of these children and young people. and if i may, i'll take just a moment to reiterate my disappointment the labour disappointment that the labour party has been part of that culture of secrecy and intimidation and ideology. although we have been. this darkness has unfolded under the tories . watch over it. tories. watch over it. >> this madness has unfolded under under the tories watch you. we've had a situation where teachers , even now are teachers, even now are disregarding the guidance that you've issued . so the argument you've issued. so the argument for the government, i think, is you're going to have to legislate because we've got stories of brighton gp, stories of a brighton gp, a private clinic, giving out puberty blockers to children after ten minute consultations. we the report is welcome. the trans guidance is welcome, but not if it isn't legally binding. otherwise, these ideological zealots can just continue with

this. so my question to you is health secretary is when will puberty blockers be banned for under 18? when will that happen? so the nhs has issued immediate guidance that puberty blockers will not be prescribed routinely on the nhs. >> the reason that word routinely is in there is because clearly if there are young people who are currently on those medications , those, those those medications, those, those drugs, then that they have to, there has to be a clinical pathway to taking them off those drugs because they are so very strong. we need to ensure that the physical and the mental impact of taking , of removing impact of taking, of removing them onto other pathways is in them onto other pathways is in the best clinical needs of those children and young people. >> but guidance is to stop children and young people . children and young people. >> so guidance for the nhs to stop . stop. >> but let me just make this point about banning sorry , but point about banning sorry, but the banning thing, i raise this because obviously we've got this

tobacco legislation that's been proposed. you know, you're wanting to ban tobacco sales to the under 15 seconds. you're you're talking about churchill . you're talking about churchill. obviously boris johnson made this point about churchill would never cigars. you never have banned cigars. you say would have. so say that maybe he would have. so we're ban tobacco we're happy to ban tobacco products we're happy to products, but we're not happy to legislate puberty products, but we're not happy to legislate for puberty products, but we're not happy to legislate for underrty products, but we're not happy to legislate for under 18 blockers for the under 18 seconds. even in the face of this overwhelming evidence . this overwhelming evidence. >> so, camilla, let me take it step by step. and i'm sorry, this is quite complicated. so forgive me if my answers aren't like one word long, because actually i think this complex like one word long, because actudeserves1k this complex like one word long, because actudeserves a this complex like one word long, because actudeserves a bits complex like one word long, because actudeserves a bit of complex like one word long, because actu deserves a bit of detail. lex and deserves a bit of detail. okay, relation puberty okay, so in relation to puberty blockers, clinics and blockers, private clinics and international prescriptions, because all of these things have been over recent days, been raised over recent days, understandably so. i am working at pace with my officials to see what we need to do to block off these avenues of prescription, because given the devastating report by doctor cass as to the her words, shaky foundation of the evidence for these drugs

being prescribed for children and young people suffering from gender dysphoria, we need to ensure that that cannot and will not happen in future. now, the wider question about guidance , wider question about guidance, in fact, is something that my cabinet colleague kemi badenoch has talked about today with her role as minister for equalities. we need to tackle this ideology that exists in some parts of the pubuc that exists in some parts of the public sector that somehow government guidance is there and they don't need to follow it. this report is so clear, so thoughtful, so thorough that we expect now all clinicians , expect now all clinicians, whether they are nhs or otherwise, all clinicians to abide by the cass review findings . as cqc, we have been findings. as cqc, we have been in contact with this week and my officials are meeting them again on monday. they are the bodies that are responsible for, like ancing practices to prescribe. it's a highly regulated activity and cqc have confirmed that the

one gender clinic, private gender clinic that is licensed to look after children and young people with gender dysphoria , people with gender dysphoria, has no licence whatsoever to prescribe these drugs to children and young people under the age of 16. i want us to go further because i'm very worried about that group of young people from 16 to 25, as set out in doctor cass's report . but these doctor cass's report. but these are, you know, this is a these are, you know, this is a these are many years of ideology that we are now combating. we're having to, you know, really deal with on the evidence . but we with on the evidence. but we must also do this in a caring and compassionate way, because at the centre of all this are children, young people with complex needs and their families. and we want to support them. whilst of course, we're ensuring that the guidance and the structures around them are really important. now let me come on to smoking, i may, come on to smoking, if i may, because a challenge because that's a fair challenge very i we very briefly, because i feel we we're out time . all we're running out of time. all right. so we know right. okay. so we know we all know the evidence with smoking ,

know the evidence with smoking, it causes 1 in 4 cancer deaths, kills 80,000 people a year every single, but pretty much every single, but pretty much every single minute of every single day. someone is admitted to hospital smoking related hospital with smoking related condition . i don't know any condition. i don't know any smoker smoker who's smoker adult smoker who's pleased they took it up. pleased that they took it up. and we know that most smokers start the age of 20, so start before the age of 20, so we are absolutely not we are not absolutely not stopping the ability of adults today watching watching this programme who smoke cigarettes or tobacco. we are not stopping them from being able to carry on buying their cigarettes, their tobacco. what we are doing is saying that from anyone saying that from 2027, anyone who turns 18 will not be able to buy cigarettes legally in shops because the impact for them as individuals, but also for people living around them. we all know the dangers of secondary smoke andindeed the dangers of secondary smoke and indeed the impacts on the nhs are so significant that we think this is a we think that there is a real time now for this culture change. and what is more, we know that the public agree with us because in recent surveys, some 71% of people welcomed this change. so this

isn't about affecting adults. this is about helping protect our children from the awful, awful addiction of nicotine because there is nothing freeing about an addiction to nicotine. i know, but then you've you've said from you've written in the telegraph today that you think churchill would support this ban. >> i just remind you of another of his quotes. you destroy, of his quotes. if you destroy, if destroy a free market, if you destroy a free market, then you create a market. then you create a black market. that's quote , miss that's a churchill quote, miss atkins. >> so, so in fairness, the >> so, so, so in fairness, the copywriters of the telegraph have had some fun with the headline. what i've said is that i quoted winston on a point about fact and reality, and the facts and the reality i've already set out in relation to the black market, though that's a really important point. i used to prosecute criminal gangs that would bring counterfeit cigarettes in. it's why we're investing as part of this package, £30 million to ensure that border force, hmrc and other law enforcement agencies can tackle the illegal market. and by the way, when we raise

the age of smoking from 16 to 18, before we saw the prevalence of smoking in that group of people fall by 30. so we think this is actually very much in line with what we've already done as a society to try and help people off cigarettes and not being hurt by the tobacco and by the tobacco and the nicotine that we know are in those tobacco products. >> health secretary victoria atkins, thank you very much indeed for joining this indeed for joining me this morning with us morning and bearing with us through problem, through that sound problem, wowzers. right. get wowzers. right. well, let's get straight into the next conversation. i'm by conversation. i'm joined by nadine the studio nadine dorries now in the studio , the former culture secretary, close boris johnson. close ally of boris johnson. she's with her book, the she's here with her book, the plot, i'm sure will plot, which i'm sure you will have about, have have read about, you'd have heard station and heard about on this station and beyond. to see beyond. nadine, lovely to see you . hello. i've been waiting you. hello. i've been waiting for to into the studio for you to come into the studio for you to come into the studio for time, so i'm for quite some time, so i'm delighted here the delighted you're here in the flesh. understand you're flesh. now, i understand you're with boris and carrie johnson last night, i just wondered last night, and i just wondered last night, and i just wondered last , yesterday last afternoon, yesterday afternoon. and i wondered what the chat was perhaps the general chat was perhaps about political for about a political comeback for the minister. the former prime minister. i

mean, thinking at? mean, where's his thinking at? can you give us any insights at all on that? >> you know, it's bizarre. i saw a story. i think it's in the sun today which says that there's talk a plot to bring talk about a plot to bring suella and boris johnson suella in. and for boris johnson to vice chair. suella in. and for boris johnson t

which he received a fixed penalty notice . that is the only penalty notice. that is the only element of truth the whole element of truth in the whole saga. we'll get into boris johnson. >> we're going to get into the plot in a moment. >> why would he come if mps >> why would he come back if mps removed in the way he. removed him in the way he. >> but he's hinting that he would one day want to come back and the conservative. and remember the conservative. but you're suggesting, i mean, the coming back as the idea of him coming back as vice the party? vice chairman of the party? >> honestly, that is. >> honestly, that is. >> you're saying only >> so you're saying he'd only come be party come back if he could be party leader prime leader and by association, prime minister >> no, you said that i didn't. what do you think when said what do you think when i said was as embarrassed was that one day as embarrassed his you know, can we his own words. you know, can we envisage a conservative of envisage a conservative party of the future without boris johnson playing a major key role? absolutely not. it's unthinkable . you know, this is the winner. he is the winner. why would the conservative party contemplate that? and actually, when you look happened to the look at what's happened to the conservative party since they removed has happened ? removed him, what has happened? it sunk than a stone. it has sunk faster than a stone. and the idea that, you know, we could move forward and regain if

he's a true conservative, going to lose, if he's a true conservative, sort of somebody who's a poster boy for the tory cause, so to speak , then surely cause, so to speak, then surely he'll champing at bit to he'll be champing at the bit to come back help rishi sunak come back and help rishi sunak to to win the next to campaign to win the next general election, because i would imagine boris johnson doesn't captain fest doesn't want captain snooze fest irony , captain hindsight, keir irony, captain hindsight, keir starmer the prime starmer to be the next prime minister >> now they were all united in the fight against socialism and we don't want that to happen. but i think, you know, with the greatest there are greatest respect, there are bafic greatest respect, there are basic need to basic courtesies which need to take place, given what rishi sunak did over a seven year period, to make sure that he became prime minister there are certain things that rishi sunak has to do. one of them is he needs to swallow a bit of humble pie accept the that pie and accept the fact that he's the conservative he's taking the conservative party crush party into a massive crush defeat, a defeat which may see as, back in westminster as the third party and i think if he wants the help of boris johnson, he's going to have to pick up the phone and ask for it. is that good manners? boris johnson? and is a basic. is

johnson? and that is a basic. is that johnson? the that what boris johnson? i'm the person in the chair. person sat in the chair. >> me saying all >> that's me saying that. all right. so rishi sunak you right. so on rishi sunak you talk conniving talk about him. what conniving to for seven to be prime minister for seven years. i find years. this is what i find interesting plot interesting about the plot because a because obviously you lay a lot of the blame at michael gove and some acolytes dougie some of his acolytes like dougie smith and others. but at the same time, i suppose my key question for you is who do you think was really responsible for bofis think was really responsible for boris johnson's demise? was it michael actually michael gove or was it actually rishi sunak ? rishi sunak? >> so it was a you know, i do feel sorry for rishi because he was taken in by a group of people . dominic was taken in by a group of people. dominic cummings was taken in by a group of people . dominic cummings rishi, people. dominic cummings rishi, sorry, michael gove , dougie sorry, michael gove, dougie smith and these people are just amazed operators. they've been operating at the heart of the conservative party for 20 odd years. i mean, liz truss knife had a number of conversations about this and she was aware of them. she was aware of them 25 years ago. so they've been operating at the heart of the conservative party very much deciding who will be prime minister be removed minister and who will be removed as you know, as prime minister. you know, michael gove's the stabbing,

bofis michael gove's the stabbing, boris johnson in the back. you know who was behind that. well, you know , dominic cummings and you know, dominic cummings and dougie smith same people dougie smith and the same people are always there. and in fact the book the plot starts actually with a detailed interview with iain duncan smith . yes. who was told by michael gove back in 2002 three what you have, we've put you in as leader. what you have to do is crash and burn the conservative party so that from it a new modern liberal party can rise from the ashes. when iain duncan smith said, well , actually no, smith said, well, actually no, i quite like conservatism and i think we can win as conservatives. they got rid of him and it's and it's happened ever since they put in place. and there's always one of them or more of them right at the centre of number 10, right at the prime minister's side, driving the show. >> and i understand the premise of that. and also, let's go on in a minute to talk about the sort of yellow ization of the tory and idea that

tory party and the idea that righties aren't to stand, righties aren't able to stand, and cchq seems want righties aren't able to stand, an recruit cchq seems want righties aren't able to stand, an recruit a cchq seems want righties aren't able to stand, an recruit a lotzhq seems want righties aren't able to stand, an recruit a lot of) seems want righties aren't able to stand, an recruit a lot of liberal; want to recruit a lot of liberal democrats in tory democrats to stand in tory seats. but just to one seats. but just back to one sentence at the sentence that you said at the beginning this conversation, beginning of this conversation, you said that rishi sunak had spent seven years trying you said that rishi sunak had spent primezn years trying you said that rishi sunak had spent prime ministertrying you said that rishi sunak had spent prime ministertryithe to become prime minister at the expense of boris johnson. are you was you saying that when he was running the consultation into disabled at disabled toilets, when he was at the communities department, that he was doing that when was he was doing that when he was being deferential to being extremely deferential to bofis being extremely deferential to boris johnson, calling him prime minister calling him by minister wasn't calling him by his first name. you know, he very much played this sort of apprentice to the master role. are you saying then that are you saying even then that this mp is plotting to this young mp is plotting to bnng this young mp is plotting to bring boris johnson? this young mp is plotting to brirso boris johnson? this young mp is plotting to brirso he boris johnson? this young mp is plotting to brirso he won ris johnson? this young mp is plotting to brirso he won his ohnson? this young mp is plotting to brirso he won his seaton? this young mp is plotting to brirso he won his seat in? >> so he won his seat in richmond, again detailed in the plot how he won his seat in richmond, i think tells you all you need to know. and the selection process that took place, the role of dougie smith in him being selected for that seat. in him being selected for that seat . and indeed, if you look at seat. and indeed, if you look at it's in fact, i'm doing a second book now to follow on from the plot , if you like, book now to follow on from the plot, if you like, going into slightly more detail on these issues. look at how his

issues. if you look at how his selection place at selection took place and look at his role as chancellor, so the, you know, there are a great many things that boris johnson did when he was prime minister levelling up. and he was really fantastic. and actually the reason why the 80 seat reason why we won the 80 seat majority because he had majority was because he had a foot every he, you know, foot in every camp he, you know, on the left he had net zero. he had welfare and over on had animal welfare and over on the right he had brexit and he thought tax cuts. and when rishi sunak became his chancellor he blocked every single measure chancellor in history to block tax cuts. >> well gordon brown famously with, with tony blair treasury orthodoxy is being complained about. you know, since the dawn of conservative time , i take of conservative time, i take your point. >> well, there's a lot more to it than that. it's not just tactics. >> they were. i appreciate exactly what you're saying , and exactly what you're saying, and i totally agree with you when it comes boris johnson being i totally agree with you when it comes borisjohnson being an comes to boris johnson being an extreme, comes to boris johnson being an extr

enough minister no, he enough as prime minister no, he did because he's great at campaigning but not at governing. you have to say governing. and you have to say that he made extraordinarily bad choices . what earth he choices. what on earth was he thinking? of bringing thinking? first of all, bringing michael gove back into the tent after he'd been stabbed in the back ? so 26 explained an back? so 26 explained in an interview judgement what did he what was he thinking having dominic cummings who he knew was michael gove's right hand man from beginning, as his from the very beginning, as his own hand man, boris made own right hand man, boris made a series catastrophic errors in series of catastrophic errors in who he had in the team around him. why can't you make him take responsibility for it rather than blaming else ? than blaming everyone else? >> let him explain in >> in fact, i let him explain in his words in the plot why he his own words in the plot why he did that. and it's actually really fascinating because michael gove obviously persuaded bofis michael gove obviously persuaded boris johnson, i did, i think i do ask boris in the book, did he apologise to you? and i think michael gove did and i can't remember his exact words now. but at the end of that conversation with michael gove, he trusted michael gove and what

he trusted michael gove and what he believed was error. if i can just finish what he believed was that the primary concern of people like michael gove and dominic cummings was to drive the agenda of the government forward, to make the uk a better place, to make sure that we delivered brexit and i think, he says in his words at the beginning, oh, i think there's wordsworth. how great it was to be in that dawn, to be alive and that dawn, how great it was to be alive. he believed that what they doing was working with they were doing was working with him to achieve those goals. he set out, and he and it took him a time to realise that what a long time to realise that what they doing was they were actually doing was working against in order to working against him in order to get wasn't there get rishi sunak wasn't there a part of him that thought to himself, i want to be the front man here. >> i want to be the showman. i want to performer, but want to be the performer, but i need details guy. so i'll put need a details guy. so i'll put gove the gove on detail in the background. sort giving gove on detail in the backpseudo sort giving gove on detail in the backpseudo sori pm giving gove on detail in the backpseudo soripm role.] gove on detail in the backpseudo soripm role. but that pseudo deputy pm role. but you're then you're saying that gove then abused power in order to unseat. >> but mean in his own >> but i mean anyone, in his own words , anyone that's words, in anyone that's ever sort to anybody about sort of spoken to anybody about

michael and if you look at michael gove and if you look at the history of the situation, you look anybody with you look at 2016, anybody with a modicum indeed, you look at 2016, anybody with a mod an�*n indeed, you look at 2016, anybody with a mod an education indeed, you look at 2016, anybody with a mod an education as indeed, you look at 2016, anybody with a mod an education as an indeed, you look at 2016, anybody with a mod an education as an old ieed, half an education as an old etonian and a former oxford graduate would have been able to say, you probably can't trust michael gove. no and therefore it's better to have michael gove inside the tent than outside the tent . it was always fascinating tent. it was always fascinating how, a cabinet how, when we had a cabinet meeting again detailed in the book, it was always fascinating how a cabinet meetings that journalist old journalist at michael gove's old newspaper at the times knew chapter and verse. what happened in cabinet meeting before in that cabinet meeting before we'd even left building? we'd even left the building? >> journalist, a >> once a journalist, always a journalist. could argue. journalist. you could argue. >> reason why >> well, that's the reason why he's high office. he's never held high office. he's held high office he's never held high office because michael infamous he's never held high office bechise michael infamous he's never held high office bechis leakingal infamous he's never held high office bechis leaking . infamous he's never held high office bechis leaking . but infamous he's never held high office bechis leaking . but it infamous he's never held high office bechis leaking . but it was famous for his leaking. but it was actually a and cameron actually a and david cameron would the so he would have done the same. so he won't first cabinet won't be the first cabinet minister in history to be infamous briefing. sure, infamous for his briefing. sure, lots don't they lots do, but i don't think they do it with such. >> let's talk about kemi badenoch criticism of you in this book. she says you're this book. she says that you're a conspiracy yeah. a conspiracy theorist. yeah. what's your response to that, she's slightly obsessed . and

she's slightly obsessed. and what i'd say is, she might say you're obsessed with her relationship with my case. well, i think we're all slightly obsessed with kemi badenoch relationship with michael gove, aren't given that michael aren't we? given that michael gove has been her sponsor and her mentor, she says they've fallen out. yeah. and, you know, intriguing reasons as to why, which i think we're all going to find about fairly soon. but find out about fairly soon. but it's, it's, you know, kemi badenoch . badenoch. >> so douglas—smith what do you mean by that? >> well, just let me just let me answer this question first. dougie one the best dougie smith is one of the best friends badenoch friends of kemi badenoch husband, hamish . dougie smith husband, hamish. dougie smith has also been a mentor of kemi badenoch . dougie smith's wife badenoch. dougie smith's wife munira, wrote all her speeches when she was in the leadership hustings. she is very much the product of dougie smith and munira and you know, she might argue she's a product of herself and well, you know, so i disagree with that point, but i think you can judge somebody by their friends. and when somebody is being pushed into a

leadership position, like somebody dougie who somebody like dougie smith, who has at the heart has created chaos at the heart of wes streeting smith for 20 years, well, he's still out of ceylon, isn't he? he's out of number 10 since the plot came out, think rishi out, but i don't think rishi sunak i know sunak quite knew. i know richie's read the book. i don't think sunak quite knew the think rishi sunak quite knew the truth. and depth of dougie's truth. and the depth of dougie's role over 25 years, or that of michael and both have been michael gove, and both have been sidelined , and as well as sidelined, and as well as dominic but, yeah , dominic cummings. but, yeah, he's still on the conservative party payroll. he's still earning £100,000 a year from the conservative party >> you mentioned william wragg at the weekend. you've spoken, i think, to the mail on sunday about the honeytrap mp and his involvement borisjohnson's involvement in boris johnson's demise. who do you think was william master all this? >> oh, well, know, there's >> oh, well, you know, there's a reason why rishi sunak didn't want to remove, william wragg's. so it's so it's sunak, there's a reason why upset i believe i am led to believe it was graham brady who also insisted that rishi sunak did not remove

william wragg's whip. so so we will see. william wragg was absolutely instrumental in the pincher affair, which was a sting which we are as time has passed. now we're going to learn a lot more. are you saying no, no, no no i don't i think sunak's slightly you know, there are people for sunak who are people working for sunak who are people working for sunak who are operating below are doing the operating below sunak. think sometimes maybe sunak. i think sometimes maybe he's unawares of he's caught unawares by some of the things that the people who work doing. but work for him are doing. but william very closely william wragg was very closely associated chris associated with the chris pincher , which brought pincher sting, which brought down that's interesting, down okay, that's interesting, prime i have to prime minister, but i have to say, when i was writing the plot at one one interviewee after another kept saying to me, you need to include william wragg in this, and william rug is such an insignificant figure, and you could you want to find could if you want to find william wragg, look for him in the subsidised westminster bars or in the bar the carlton or in the bar of the carlton club, front of a camera club, or in front of a camera anywhere someone to anywhere calling for someone to resign. he's such an insignificant, quite unintelligent figure that most of what himself most he could

say he's being sociable. >> well , when say he's being sociable. >> well, when he's in the carlton club and the other part of the mail on, well, yeah. >> all right. >> all right. >> well, okay, we made your point , reifler. point, reifler. >> and i wish i'd kept it in. >> and i wish i'd kept it in. >> all right. fair enough. well, you have a second book to you have got a second book to come. let's ask come. yeah. let's ask you a final question, while we final question, nadine. while we still of your still have the benefit of your wisdom you wisdom on david cameron, you once woman wisdom on david cameron, you once does woman wisdom on david cameron, you once does he woman wisdom on david cameron, you once does he stillman wisdom on david cameron, you once does he still have a problem. does he still have a woman , or does he just woman problem, or does he just have problem unity? have a problem with unity? >> it wasn't have a problem with unity? >> me it wasn't have a problem with unity? >> me said it wasn't have a problem with unity? >> me said that wasn't have a problem with unity? >> me said that theret just me who said that there were polls it quite polls that showed it quite significantly. it was talked about lot. you that? about a lot. would you say that? >> you still think >> i mean, do you still think that's case of the foreign secretary? >> the polls showed the time >> the polls showed at the time that weren't trusting that women just weren't trusting or i mean, were or wanting. i mean, we were probably have probably if you didn't have that that might got that problem, we might have got a in 2015 and a bigger majority in 2015 and not coalition not gone into a coalition >> but what did you make his >> but what did you make of his appointment boris, boris appointment by boris, by boris johnson? foreign secretary, sunak as foreign secretary, because there's the because obviously there's the link richmond there because link to richmond there because i think hague think he wanted william hague and william hague no, why and william hague said, no, why don't david cameron? don't you have david cameron? and evidence of and that could be evidence of your plot. your sort of plot. >> lot going on >> there was a lot going on behind on and behind the scenes on that, and i think was quickly think cameron was very quickly

popped think cameron was very quickly popped and i think popped into place and i think he's doing a fantastic job, by the way, as foreign secretary, he into place, for he was popped into place, for a reason. think the reason was reason. i think the reason was there was obviously things are very badly going the wrong way. and what if rishi sunak was at the time that votes no confidence were being talked about? and what if rishi sunak was about to be removed? well, there plenty tory there are plenty of tory grandees who grandees and people who would not badenoch or anybody. >> so you think cameron might be positioning himself to return as leader ? rhiannon very, very, leader? rhiannon very, very, very quickly? just literally a simple question and a simple answer needed because we're running of time. rishi running out of time. rishi sunak, still prime sunak, will he still be prime minister go to minister by the time we go to the polls? >> look, if andy street and >> look, if, if andy street and ben houchen lose their seats, the mayoral. yeah, tees and birmingham. yeah. other candidates do really badly. candidates only do really badly. yeah. other candidates do. and we do really badly in the local elections. it will be very, very difficult. so he might not be prime minister. he may not be, you know, conservative mps might think, got till think, well, we've got till january 2025 if we could change.

bofis january 2025 if we could change. boris johnson turned it around in six months so he could come in six months so he could come in a white charger. in on a white charger. >> no he has, he's an mp. >> no he has, he's not an mp. well, would you prefer to well, who would you prefer to see party at this see lead the party at this stage? >> ee- w— >> oh my god, i don't know. >> oh my god, i don't know. >> indeed. right. got >> no indeed. right. we've got to break. i'm being to go to a break. i'm being told. am i go to a break? but i could talk to you all morning. here's the plot, it's nadine's, very. i mean, much talked about book. when's the next book coming can't say too coming out, i can't say too much, you're writing. much, but soon you're writing. >> you're writing again, which much, but soon you're writing. >:intriguing'iting again, which much, but soon you're writing. >:intriguing�*itiiitselfain, which much, but soon you're writing. >:intriguing'itiiitself .n, which much, but soon you're writing. >:intriguing'itiiitself. i'dvhich is intriguing in itself. i'd never do another political politics coming out right. we're going to be speaking about whether do have a special whether we do have a special relationship in relationship with america in just go just a moment. don't go anywhere.

welcome back to the camilla tominey show let's get a left wing perspective. now, we do like to do that on gb news. even though people think, oh, you're right wing. we have wing right wing. we have left wing voices and this

voices on every show. and this morning, wing voice is morning, my left wing voice is going be former labour and going to be former labour mp and former of for former secretary of state for northern shaun northern ireland, shaun woodward. sean, thank you for joining me this morning. lovely to see you. can we talk about angela rayner. do you mind ? i angela rayner. do you mind? i just must because it's just feel we must because it's all sunday papers. all over the sunday papers. there's . for her to there's calls. for her to resign. the police are now investigating this two homes situation. she has said i'll stand i'm found stand down if i'm found criminally she criminally liable. well, she might be found criminally might not be found criminally liable, just liable, but she might just be found that's found to have lied. and that's bad life, it, bad in public life, isn't it, sean ? sean? >> oh, of course it's bad, but again , let's not prejudge this. again, let's not prejudge this. i mean, the first issue is let the greater manchester police do their work. now, if there's wrongdoing, she's unequivocal. she will stand down. the other issue you rightly raised, camilla, is one of perception. and there is an issue very clearly around transparency here. i think it's a matter of regret , it here. i think it's a matter of regret, it has to be here. i think it's a matter of regret , it has to be that angela regret, it has to be that angela probably didn't put the documents that she has said, would exonerate her position out

there, it does slightly mystify me that it's taken quite so long for the greater manchester police to get to this position, either , but nonetheless, they either, but nonetheless, they are now doing it. so i think the unfortunate thing is this has dragged on now for weeks and weeks, and i think angela's particular is that weeks, and i think angela's part hasar is that weeks, and i think angela's part has been is that weeks, and i think angela's part has been somebodyis that weeks, and i think angela's part has been somebody who's she has been somebody who's argued very strongly for standards in public life . last standards in public life. last yean standards in public life. last year, she talked about the importance of establishing an integrity and ethics commissioner. if labour win the next general election, it's very difficult if you are arguing for that to not, as it were, be prepared in advance of that to put into the public domain information which you say you have, but you won't. so i think i've got huge sympathy for her. anyone? look, anybody who has lived through the expenses scandals that i did and, gordon brown's government knows how really awful this can be. and really awful this can be. and really pretty nice people can end up being tarred in a very unfair way. but that's the nature of politics. you guys

asked the questions we do have to give the answers. and some people do feel that it's a smear campaign against her, and it's about working class women. i think some of that is true, i'm afraid. i think , you know the afraid. i think, you know the media and you know this, camilla, once they get on the bandwagon here, they can all get very excited. the truth is, very excited. but the truth is, underneath all, there is an underneath it all, there is an issue answer here. issue that needs an answer here. and the sooner we get the answer, the better. and if the greater police have greater manchester police have to so be it. but to provide it, so be it. but it's a matter of regret to me that provide it earlier. >> although it sounds to me, i mean, we had john mctiernan on the show last week, and he was very much in the camp of this is a stitch up. it's a right wing media conspiracy. there's nothing to see here. you've rightly rayner rightly pointed out that rayner is repeatedly is someone who has repeatedly called for the resignations of her political opponents, equally, she's called for people to sort publish tax returns to sort of publish tax returns and all the rest of it, and therefore she has put herself in a kind of special position. i suppose the question is, shaun. i mean, are you saying that for the benefit of the labour party ,

the benefit of the labour party, even serves an even though she serves an important sort of important purpose, she's sort of the girl for left, the poster girl for the left, alongside starmer , that alongside keir starmer, that she's becoming a bit of a drag anchon she's becoming a bit of a drag anchor, and if she's more of a hindrance than a help, then she must go. regardless of what the police . police conclude. >> don't i don't think >> no, i don't i don't think people be loose people should be cut loose because a media festival because there's a media festival going on. i think would be going on. i think that would be ludicrous and that shouldn't happen. on other happen. on the other hand, i think somebody who, as it think as somebody who, as it were, says we're going to have these standards in public life . these standards in public life. she's talking about standards, and what and the standards are what matters here. i think it would be sensible if the person who might deputy prime minister might be deputy prime minister of our country just this of our country just clears this up herself . look, and let me up for herself. look, and let me just add one more thing. camilla. tony blair had john prescott, centre of prescott, i'm in the centre of politics. i wouldn't really regard myself as on the left, but i'm certainly in the centre, i think angela has very i think angela has a very important role to play in a future labour government. but like john prescott , she's got to like john prescott, she's got to be prepared to be subjected to this. it's horrid when the media

gets going on you, but i'm afraid , as i know and you know, afraid, as i know and you know, that's the way it is. and i by the way, you said earlier in the programme, once a journalist, always a journalist. i was a journalist for ten years as esther rantzen's, editor of that's life . and the journalists that's life. and the journalists here are doing job. here are doing theirjob. i don't think really this is about, attacking a working class woman. this is attacking somebody who might be the deputy prime minister and who believes that standards in public life matter. angela, i'm sure you are innocent. clear it up. >> clear it up. thank you very much indeed for your time. this morning. shaun woodward. wise words, to the wannabe words, i think, to the wannabe deputy prime minister. up next, the author, angus hanton, is going to be talking to us about the influence america the influence of america

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michael portillo for what i hope is going to be a high speed rail. of what got rail. summary of what he's got coming show at 11 am. coming up on his show at 11 am. >> i'll do that >> michael, i'll do that for you. obviously we will keep viewers iran and viewers up to date on iran and israel . israel. >> i was struck by leo varadkar saying that ,400 billion would be a price to pay for be a small price to pay for irish unity. that raises the question, what are people willing to pay for cherished political objectives brexit political objectives like brexit and scottish independence? we're going to be talking about a tonal classical music has soaked up all the subsidies and distorted the development of music in general, and there are now some very complicated new taxes on wine. i'm going to be uncorking a few bottles, leading to a fluid discussion , and i to a fluid discussion, and i hope to get to the bottom of it. >> thank you very much, michael. i'm not condoning drinking before noon, but that sounds fascinating. in from fascinating. we'll tune in from 11, joined the studio 11, now i'm joined in the studio by angus hanton, the author of a new book. hopefully you can see that vassal state, which analyses the historic relationship uk and relationship between the uk and the us. angus, thanks for coming in this morning. the us. angus, thanks for coming in this morning . thanks, it

in this morning. thanks, it seems to me that you're suggesting perhaps , that this suggesting perhaps, that this so—called special relationship between america is between britain and america is actually parasitic. and actually quite parasitic. and you're describing britain as the 51st state, which sort of takes me back a little bit to tony blair being described as george w bush's poodle. >> well, it's almost worse than that. oh, no, we'd be better off if state. we if we were the 51st state. we don't have the, the status that a state has. and it's not about really the, the historical relationship. it's about the current relationship. it turns out that we if what people often call a special relationship is become a very abusive relationship , whether it's in relationship, whether it's in terms of trade or the fact that britain follows american foreign policy, and as you say , a bit policy, and as you say, a bit like a poodle, but it's all based on the fact that america owns so much of what happens in britain , there are 1200 britain, there are 1200 multinationals operating in the uk , and their combined turnover uk, and their combined turnover is $7,700 billion a year. that's equivalent on a per household bafis equivalent on a per household

basis to about £20,000 per per household. yes so. so there's so much that we don't realise is actually owned by america. >> also actually this is a point that was made to me by a economist last week. you know, how much of our pensions are indexed at the moment to the so—called and we so—called big seven? and can we continue to ride this wave on the facebooks and the back of the facebooks and the back of the facebooks and the and the rest of it? the x's and the rest of it? i mean, you know, that might not be case in 20 30 years be the case in 20 to 30 years time. absolutely. be the case in 20 to 30 years timwe're olutely. be the case in 20 to 30 years timwe're veryly. be the case in 20 to 30 years timwe're very dependent >> we're very dependent on them in and when in all sorts of ways, and when you a supermarket, all you go into a supermarket, all the, the brand, most of the big brands come across are brands you come across are american . they dominate american owned. they dominate the fact, the supermarket. in fact, they own of supermarkets. own some of the supermarkets. they morrisons, example. they own morrisons, for example. >> peter >> i've just brought over peter hitchens column this morning in the mail on sunday because it's a funny line in it. i mean, i thought it was funny, but maybe it's right. maybe wrong, it's right. maybe it's wrong, there cries it's right. maybe it's wrong, th

for the government, american government. and he said we were under instructions to mention the special relationship as often as we could when the brits were around. but when we were on our own, we laughed behind their backs. so the special relationship is something that works for them. there was an interview with jane hartley, the us and she us ambassador, recently, and she mentioned the special relationship 20 times that relationship 20 times in that interview. but it's interview. right. but it's special for them to some extent. also, provide a cover for also, we provide a cover for them when they're doing what they in the world. they want to do in the world. it's mentioned that britain is there it's mentioned that britain is the it it's mentioned that britain is the ii but then i suppose >> i know, but then i suppose the counterargument to this is obviously our relationship with america in the america is important in the world. mean, they're a global world. i mean, they're a global superpower. suppose superpower. and also, i suppose if you look at sort of life in the uk after the second world war and after the fall of the soviet all the of soviet union and all the rest of it, going to it, who else were we going to augn it, who else were we going to align with? it, who else were we going to aligwell, with? it, who else were we going to aligwell, were th? it, who else were we going to aligwell, were aligned with >> well, we were aligned with europe there. europe and are always there. >> bit remainer >> a little bit of a remainer sympathy in this. >> there's a, there's a, there is a bit of remain honest. >> honest on gb news >> you can be honest on gb news we all here. we take all views here. there absolutely remainer

absolutely is some remainer sympathy. the view >> but there's also the view that if we do relate to america, we do more as equals we should do it more as equals and a less a servant. and less as a less as a servant. and it's really costly to britain . britain. >> and but you don't want us to be aligning ourselves with olaf scholz. right do you? be aligning ourselves with olaf schwhatight do you? be aligning ourselves with olaf schwhat iiht do you? be aligning ourselves with olaf schwhat i want do you? be aligning ourselves with olaf schwhat i want is do you? be aligning ourselves with olaf schwhat i want is to you? be aligning ourselves with olaf schwhat i want is to be u? be aligning ourselves with olaf schwhat i want is to be more >> what i want is to be more independent. so what we what >> what i want is to be more indep doingt. so what we what >> what i want is to be more indep doing byo what we what >> what i want is to be more indep doing by aligning'e what >> what i want is to be more indep doing by aligning with at we're doing by aligning with america making america is we're making ourselves dependent on what, what they want. we're also impoverishing ourselves so that what they want. we're also inlot verishing ourselves so that what they want. we're also inlot of ishing ourselves so that what they want. we're also inlot of ihing ourselves so that what they want. we're also inlot of i mean,jrselves so that what they want. we're also inlot of i mean, britain. so that what they want. we're also inlot of i mean, britain. now,at a lot of i mean, britain. now, you don't feel it in london because london is quite a wealthy place comparison . but wealthy place by comparison. but taking country, taking the whole country, britain the same britain now is about the same level as wealth of wealth as the poorest us state, mississippi . poorest us state, mississippi. yeah, so we're poorer. i mean, a lot of talented people and go over to the states. so they take our people. >> i know, but then you could argue that might because, you argue that might be because, you know, pursue sort of know, we didn't pursue sort of fracking sufficient fracking and self sufficient energy. could energy. and secondly, you could say, is say, well, america is historically enjoyed much lower tax don't tax rates because they don't have fund an nhs. have to fund an nhs. >> well, they certainly enjoy lower rates when they trade lower tax rates when they trade here. one the things here. one of the things the multinationals pay very multinationals do is pay very little the government

little tax, and the government could about that could do something about that and probably should. what they've into they've been forced into is a situation where the, the sort of global tax rate is going to be 15. and you may be pleased that that's apparently a low rate. but on the other hand, that's much lower than ordinary uk. uk corporations pay and small businesses pay. very quick question. >> as we are running fast out of time. it's been one of those shows this morning. angus, i'm sorry, trump how his sorry, trump how does his potential us potential re—election as us president change this dynamic, if at all? does it make it worse ? >> 7. >>i 7- >> i don't ? >> i don't think it'll make it worse or better. i think the thing is, whichever president is there first. there puts america first. i mean, trump's slogan, america first is also biden's slogan. so i think it's america first at the cost of britain. and we should do something about it and we can. >> all right. well, if we want we can. >> knowight. well, if we want we can. >> know more nell, if we want we can. >> know more aboutf we want we can. >> know more about this want we can. >> know more about this vassal to know more about this vassal state, here's the book. by state, here's the book. it's by angus. intriguing, state, here's the book. it's by angus. intriguing , to angus. it sounds intriguing, to say the very least. thank you very joining this very much for joining me this morning. thank you. thank you to all today. we got all of my guests today. we got there, we? i mean, sound there, didn't we? i mean, sound issues the of it.

issues and all the rest of it. we get as we always we did get there as we always do. of course, be back do. i will, of course, be back next at a.m. do. i will, of course, be back next at am. but up next sunday at 9:30 am. but up next, portillo is going next, michael portillo is going to drinking wine before noon. next, michael portillo is going to won'tking wine before noon. next, michael portillo is going to won't wantrvine before noon. next, michael portillo is going to won't want to e before noon. next, michael portillo is going to won't want to e banywhere.. you won't want to go anywhere. don't you next don't miss it. see you next week. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> good morning. welcome to your latest gb news weather from the met office says a bit of a drier start for most of us today, but a bit of a chilly start in places, particularly across the north it is a dry north of the uk. it is a dry start across much of scotland and ireland, and northern ireland, but showers quickly, pushing showers quite quickly, pushing in the as head in from the west as we head through this morning. england and wales, though, are much dner and wales, though, are much drier start plenty drier and brighter. start plenty of as we head through of sunshine as we head through the there will the morning, although there will be up as we be some cloud bubbling up as we head afternoon, head through the afternoon, those showers turning particularly heavy across western of scotland this western parts of scotland this afternoon, could even see afternoon, and we could even see some snow across the hills with

temperatures average temperatures closer to average here and little cooler further here and a little cooler further south, with highs of only 14 or 15 through the rest of 15 degrees through the rest of this evening, those showers becoming much more widespread across the uk, slowly pushing their eastwards as their way south and eastwards as we into the early hours of we go into the early hours of monday morning, the far south—east england perhaps south—east of england perhaps holding some of that drier holding on to some of that drier weather those weather for a time. but those showers will eventually reach all of uk. another all areas of the uk. another chilly night, particularly across parts scotland. across parts of scotland. temperatures into temperatures dropping down into the low single figures but a little cold further south, little less cold further south, maybe 7 or degrees. monday maybe 7 or 8 degrees. monday starts showery day across starts a very showery day across the uk. those heavy bands of showers continue to push their way south and eastwards through the morning. some sunny spells developing behind those showers but northwesterly but with a brisk northwesterly breeze that will definitely take the edge the temperatures the edge off the temperatures through could through the day. and we could even continue some snow even continue to see some snow across of northern across the hills of northern england and across scotland. another temperatures england and across scotland. anothesouth temperatures england and across scotland. anothesouth only temperatures england and across scotland. anothesouth only reaching atures in the south only reaching around 12 or 13 degrees. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of

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