good evening. lovely people and welcome along once more to the neil oliver show on gb news tv, onune neil oliver show on gb news tv, online and on radio. this week i will be focusing on the subject of food and nutrition. i'll be asking what we are eating and whether it's good for us and what could we be doing to live better, healthier lives . i'll be better, healthier lives. i'll be speaking to comedian louis schaffer, who found a mostly raw meat and egg diet to be the best kind in order to help him combat a series of medical problems. i'll also be talking to peta, the people for the ethical treatment of animals, who think we would be better advised to eat meat produced in laboratories, plus plenty of discussion with my panellist , discussion with my panellist, journalist and presenter jasmine birtles. but first, an update on the latest news headlines .

the latest news headlines. >> hi there, i'm aaron armstrong in the gb newsroom. iran risks provoking an uncontrollable regional escalation. a warning from world leaders following last night's attack on israel . last night's attack on israel. g7 leaders, including lord cameron, have been meeting to discuss the crisis in the middle east. they've condemned iran launching hundreds of missiles and have reaffirmed their commitment to israel's security. the israeli war cabinet says it will exact a price from iran when the time is right, describing the islamic republic as the greatest threat to regional stability and world order. iran, meanwhile, says the it launch a much larger it will launch a much larger attack if israel retaliates . attack if israel retaliates. however, president biden has warned his israeli counterpart the us will not take part in any retaliatory strikes . and white retaliatory strikes. and white house spokesman john kirby says israel must decide on the next step. >> we need to see what the war cabinet decides in terms of the whatever next step they want to

pursue. and that's a sovereign decision, of course, that our israeli counterparts have to make. i would just say this president , since the president biden, since the beginning of this conflict, has worked very hard to keep this from becoming a broader regional war. >> earlier, rishi sunak confirmed raf planes did shoot down a number of iranian drones and missiles in what he's described as a dangerous escalation in tension. shadow foreign secretary david lammy is urging the government to issue sanctions against iran's revolutionary national guard. >> this highlights once again, the extreme danger of the irgc and the iranian guard . we have and the iranian guard. we have said that we think that it should be prescribed , and it is should be prescribed, and it is for the government to come forward with new plans to prescribe them and to deal with this issue of state actors that would behave in this appalling way, that wreaks terror on a wider community. >> more than 120,000 have crossed the english channel by

small boat since 2018, 219 arrivals were recorded by the home office yesterday . the total home office yesterday. the total for this year is now 17% higher than the same period last year. labour's shadow immigration minister, stephen kinnock, has called it another grim milestone and says britain must strengthen its border security . meanwhile, its border security. meanwhile, a cabinet minister has insisted the government's rwanda plan is on track with flights due to take off within weeks. health secretary victoria atkins says the home office is ready to go, despite the troubled bill still making its way through parliament. no airline's been named to transport the asylum seekers. rwanda's state owned carrier has turned down a request. the prime minister has repeatedly said the flights would take off by spring, although no date has been set. labour says it will impose strict 24 hour time limits on police when dealing with serious domestic abuse cases. the initiative has been dubbed raneem's law after 22 year old raneem's law after 22 year old

raneem oudeh, who was killed by her former partner just 11 days after obtaining an order against him. shadow home secretary yvette cooper says she's sick and tired of the government treating violence against women and girls as inevitable. instead of emergency . but the of an emergency. but the government says labour is soft on crime and doesn't have a plan to tackle it . the knife to tackle it. the knife attacker, who killed six people attacker, who killed six people at a shopping centre in sydney, yesterday advertised himself onune yesterday advertised himself online as a male escort and tried to join groups of gun owners. joel cauchi had been known to police, particularly over the last five years, but he hadnt over the last five years, but he hadn't been arrested or charged before yesterday's attack. police believe the 40 year old suffered from schizophrenia and used drugs , including used drugs, including methamphetamine and psychedelics. his family, in a statement, have praised the police officer who shot and killed him by saying she was only doing her job. and the new only doing herjob. and the new poll suggests humza yousaf popularity amongst snp voters has fallen sharply. a survey of

more than 1000 people in scotland found the first minister's score fell to minus 7. among those who voted for the scottish national party in 2019. his approval with the general pubuc his approval with the general public also dropped to levels similar to his conservative rivals. it comes after the introduction of a new hate law. hate crime law prompted more than 7000 complaints in its first week. more on all of our stories on our website . you can stories on our website. you can get more by scanning the qr code on your screen. two for gb news alerts. now it's time for. neil oliver. >> people say you are what you eat. if that's true, then a

whole lot of people in this country and across the western world are built out of strange ingredients, all manner of stuff consumed by billions of people every day. but that few , if every day. but that few, if paying every day. but that few, if paying attention, would recognise as food. by which i mean natural whole food. because it's not food . not in the it's not food. not in the natural sense, at least. if you are what you eat, then most are made of ingredients they couldn't name things that didn't grow in fields that never had a heartbeat, that never walked, swam, or flew. just as we build our bodies from the food we eat, so we build our understanding of the world from other things. we take in information in the form of things we read, things we see, things we are told by those we trust. if too many have had their stomachs filled with god knows what, building their bodies with rubbish the most bodies with rubbish for the most part waste materials from industrial processes , chemical industrial processes, chemical cocktails cooked to taste like something they're not, things never intended to be eaten by man or beast. then at least as

many more have had their heads filled to bursting too, with more fakery, toxic fakery , more fakery, toxic fakery, confected concocted nonsense made palatable with more artificial flavouring, and minded to say doctored, doctored meaning to falsify , to disguise, meaning to falsify, to disguise, to adulterate an interesting word all on its own, but i digress. instead of eating real whole food, too many eat fake food. now things that didn't exist in any form at all until the last hundred years or so. things made of ingredients doctored until human beings can be persuaded to swallow them and keep them down, and at the same time, rather than building an understanding of the world as it really is, too many are leaving the truth out of their lives entirely, and swallowing lies instead . lies doctored until instead. lies doctored until they for something they pass for something wholesome . part of the truth wholesome. part of the truth that's missing from too many diets is that the swallowing of fake food and lies is nothing new. that people have been drinking the kool—aid for real and metaphorically for a long

time. the first entirely synthetic , wholly fake food was synthetic, wholly fake food was coal butter, which is exactly what it sounds like, exactly as it ought to have said on the tin, but didn't. of course, an edible sludge made from coal and dyed yellow so it could be passed off as something a human being might eat. passed off as something a human being might eat . coal butter was being might eat. coal butter was whipped up by a german food chemist , whipped up by a german food chemist, arthur imhausen, during the second world war. nazi germany needed to produce as much food and fuel as possible from within its own borders, from within its own borders, from its huge reserves of low quality coal called lignite. a way was found to make liquid fuel and also explosives vital in wartime , obviously, as well in wartime, obviously, as well as soap. imhausen took the same raw material used to make the soap being what we know as paraffin wax, and found a way to make it into a fat that could be dyed and flavoured until it might be passed off as a kind of butter edible by human beings. the companies that grew fat from the innovations, like all that fuel soap and butter, included

ig farben, once the largest chemical and pharmaceutical company in the world during the 19405. ig company in the world during the 1940s. ig farben tested that butter on thousands of souls from concentration camps like auschwitz. data found after the war, the result of testing that was not made public at the time revealed prolonged consumption of coal . butter led to kidney of coal. butter led to kidney disease. dogs wouldn't touch the stuff , but since it was mostly stuff, but since it was mostly to be given to u—boat crews, men with life expectancies and wartime of just a couple of months, no one was much bothered about the long term effects of them eating fake butter. a subsidiary of ig farben supplied the zyklon b poison gas used to murder more than a million jewish people in auschwitz. the artificial sweetener we know as saccharin is another product made 100 years ago from more coal. you are what you eat. remember, this is what big government and big business thinks of the likes of you and me. at least marie antoinette is supposed to have wanted the poor

folk to eat, not coal, but cake. let them hear lies is also nearer the mark. tell them anything our governments clearly think, and they'll swallow it right down. for as long as i can remember, we've been being frightened away from the good stuff. which is say the truth stuff. which is to say the truth . and also healthy food. i'm of the that grew up being the vintage that grew up being sold, the low fat lifestyle, low fat spreads instead of butter. remember the nazis and all that coal made yellow and spreadable, spongy white bread that lasts for days without going stale.7 the insistence that eggs are bad news best avoided. go low fat and high carb, and always more and high carb, and always more and more ultra processed gunk for reheating in the microwave. on and on and on, leaving out the good stuff and replacing it with pap and gruel. cereals were food for livestock until farmers in the us had a glut of the stuff year on year in the early 20th century. in the years before the dust bowl of the grapes of wrath ravaged the farmland. anyway but what to do

with all that cereal .7 with all that surplus cereal? way more than the livestock herds required? and then, along came the breakfast cereal industry and the notion that while meat and stimulated while meat and fat stimulated unwholesome unwanted lusts unwholesome and unwanted lusts and desires, cereals would dampen all that down and create a more passive, peaceable, listless population , and the listless population, and the rest of the cattle cake repurposed for the poor, as well as a diet of cereal and low fat fake butter. and the rest has been a diet of lies about health and so much more. vegetable is a word that makes us think healthy thoughts, and so vegetable oils sound like a healthy alternative to animal fats, like real butter , tallow and lard. but vegetable oils , canola oil, sunflower oil, oils, canola oil, sunflower oil, palm oil and the rest started life as cheap lubricants for farm machinery rancid in the raw state, foul smelling and as far from appetising as it's possible to get it was only the advent of processes by which those industrial by—products might be

clarified made palatable that they could be bottled and then set on supermarket shelves as fit for human consumption. for years we've been bombarded with claims that veganism will save the world. there's nothing green about that agenda. notions like flying an avocado halfway around the world rather than eating something grown in a field up the road, somehow promising a brighter future . and have you brighter future. and have you had a look at the lists of ingredients on so—called plant based foods? well, the ingredients for a decent beef burger are, well, beef and maybe some and pepper. the some salt and pepper. the ingredients for a plant based burger offering read more like an a to z for an explosive chemistry experiment . most chemistry experiment. most recently, we've had the spectre of insects for protein , and so of insects for protein, and so a future of great barns filled with critters bred by the billions for rendering into yet more burgers utterly devoid of beef. swarms of locusts, hothouse . what could possibly go hothouse. what could possibly go wrong? and then the promise of lab grown meat. a frankenstein creation, in my opinion . animal

creation, in my opinion. animal cells resultant from a biopsy harvested from living tissue and then coddled in a nutrient bath until fibres form that mimic the texture of flesh . i see this texture of flesh. i see this comes from a place of contempt from a contemptuous view of our species, held by a powerful, wealthy few. that fake and false is good enough for the likes of us. everything else has been made so expensive, all but out of reach. rent, energy , the of reach. rent, energy, the other stuff of life that now in the west of all places, the so—called developed west of britain the us, the mass of britain and the us, the mass of the population can afford to spend no more than 10% of their incomes, amount, if incomes, half that amount, if possible, the food they might possible, on the food they might put inside their bodies, inside the their children. the bodies of their children. everything is almost too everything else is almost too expensive buy, but life expensive to buy, but life itself is as cheap as chips. chips, deep fried in oil, little better than toxic waste , and all better than toxic waste, and all the while were fed this crap. we receive a serving of lies on the side. all the nonsense about the so—called pandemic , about the

so—called pandemic, about the safety and efficacy of the jabs, about the war in ukraine, about the climate, about the middle east, all that fakery and falsehood. farmers across the world are fighting a land grab, a state sponsored effort to force them off their fields so those fields might be repurposed for who knows what. but certainly not for growing wholesome food. gates no wholesome food. bill gates no scientist, he no doctor. but influencing the health care of billions on account only of his wealth is now the largest private landowner in the us. more than a quarter of a million acres and counting. and he's no farmer either. in the uk, it will shortly be illegal to harbour so much as a single fugitive chicken in your back garden for meat and eggs, or just as pets, unless each is registered with the state. i see the relentless push behind this move , and the rest of the war on move, and the rest of the war on agriculture is to widen the already yawning chasm between people and their understanding of healthy food , never mind the of healthy food, never mind the ability to actually access it. and that's before the sinister threat of mrna jabs for

livestock and other foods, and more frankenstein sprays to extend the shelf life of everything else. you are what you eat, and you're also what you eat, and you're also what you understand . i've come to you understand. i've come to understand that nothing in recent times is about public health. if by that you mean an intention to keep people healthy , the last thing people needed dunng , the last thing people needed during the times of a respiratory illness was to be shutin respiratory illness was to be shut in doors barred from keeping gyms closed while keeping fit, gyms closed while the fast food outlets remained open. never about healthy open. never a word about healthy food, far less the benefits of supplements and readily supplements as cheap and readily available as vitamin d proven to help people well in the help keep people well in the face of all ills. i see the preferred option of the state is a population made fat and sick by poor food and unhealthy lifestyles, and propped up lifestyles, and then propped up by fabulously expensive drugs, drugs of unproven and uncertain safety from big pharma. the lies are everywhere . liars lie about are everywhere. liars lie about everything. after all, the snake oil salesmen are everywhere. this week i watched a so—called foreign secretary, david cameron, and us secretary of

state anthony blinken address a press conference. furrowed brows , hands clasped. i watched their lips moving, cameron actually described ukraine as value for money, an investment that had not cost the life of a single us serviceman. somehow forgetting the half a million dead ukrainian men and boys. neither would commit to ending arms sales to israel . cameron talked sales to israel. cameron talked about more for money nato as a 75th birthday present . ker 75th birthday present. ker ching. here's the thing if it's not the vegetable oils and the lab meat and the rest of the fake food and the clampdown on healthy living that's made you and yours sick these years past, then the lies from those in positions of authority must surely make your gorge rise . surely make your gorge rise. pass the sick bag . i'm joined pass the sick bag. i'm joined this week by journalist, presenter and friend jasmine birtles. hi jasmine. >> hello there. >> hello there. >> thanks for being here. i

don't know about you, but i. i look out now at the people around me and they don't look well. >> no, in a way that i was never previously aware of. >> do you sense the same? >> do you sense the same? >> well, i know what you mean, but, you know, like you, i was brought up with, with the low fat diet, etc. i mean , when fat diet, etc. i mean, when i was, when i was a child, we had a lot of food from the garden, my mum cooked from raw and all that, but we also had cakes made with margarine . we had quite with margarine. we had quite a lot of margarine around eight butter, but a lot of margarine. angel delight, goodness knows what i mean. that's pure chemicals, you know. let's be honest, paste, meat. you honest, fish paste, meat. you know, there was all sorts of rubbish. and i do remember meeting some americans and thinking they looked a lot healthier than we did. but i agree that right now we have a level of, for example, obesity that not seen for a that was not not seen for a moment when i was growing up. i mean, really only in the last i guess, 30 years. >> and there's a kind of a it's a pallor. yes. about people. yes, yes. you're right. you know

, people grossly overweight are now everywhere where there used to be, you know, eye catchingly rare in my within my lifetime. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> me too. but there's a kind of a greyness. yes, a moistness. i don't know people just in don't know that people just in increasing numbers look careworn and anxious and just not well . and anxious and just not well. >> and i think you're right to, to mix the, the actual food and the, the lies that we are, as you say, swallowing because much of it is mental. i mean, we're going to talk about all sorts of different diets. i know, and i've been very interested to hear the people who are absolutely determined and absolutely determined and absolutely 100% convinced that their diet is the one. and there are many of them are diametrically opposed , you know, diametrically opposed, you know, veganism and, you know, meat only. all of that , and, and you only. all of that, and, and you do find quite often that, that those who are completely convinced, do look a bit more healthy than those who aren't convinced. >> don't you think whether people do decide and however they go about deciding whether

they'll be vegan or they'll only eat meat or or some variation in between, it's the very act of engagement that that probably is making a big part of contributing to their being better. yes, in every way, because they're switched on, paying because they're switched on, paying attention. yes. and thinking and acting positively rather than just being on the receiving end of whatever they're given. yes. >> and as you say, being on the receiving end, this sort of passivity, this sense of helplessness that we've had, i think for years, i mean, you mentioned the cold butter, which i'd heard of. but in i'd never heard of. but also in the victorian times, apparently victorian bakers would, would put sawdust in the bread to, you know, as you do. i mean, why wouldn't you at least sawdust is a natural product. >> yes. >> yes. >> well, yes, there is that. i think that's probably what they said. it's a natural product. whatever. and that contributed to child mortality. apparently in areas . so, you know, in certain areas. so, you know, it's happened all the time, but it's happened all the time, but it's happening. i think, on an

industrial scale now we're finding everything's got chemicals in. there was a piece in the mail just recently saying that, strawberries are the worst for all sorts of long for having all sorts of long term chemicals in them. and i love strawberries. and, you know, it's not even manufactured. >> this is strawberries i want to get to across the next, you know, or couple of hours is know, hour or couple of hours is as, as whether or not there's any kind of , as, as whether or not there's any kind of, intent. i have begun to wonder if a sick, overweight, weakened population and also miseducated and all of the rest of it isn't simply easier to deal with and that you've got constant profit. i mean, a patient cured is a customer lost? >> yes it is. and if i put my money hat on, as you know, i'm a financial journalist, something italk financial journalist, something i talk about a lot now is pensions and the very shaky future of them because as you know , we and all the western know, we and all the western countries have massively overprinted money. we are hugely indebted and a large amount of

thatis indebted and a large amount of that is to pay the state pensions , and, you know, there pensions, and, you know, there are few ways that you can combat the state pension problem. you can either do what we are doing now and just make it that you have be older and older and have to be older and older and older to get the state pension, or you have a lot of immigration because it's the working immigrants are paying who immigrants who are paying who was helped to pay for the state pension, or you just kill them off, just kill, kill off the old people. >> i know where my money is. that's a bit. yeah. so break already. after which i'll be joined by a biochemical engineer to about whether there are to talk about whether there are drawbacks lab grown drawbacks to eating lab grown meat. you're watching the neil oliver on gb news. don't go oliver show on gb news. don't go away

welcome back to me , neil oliver welcome back to me, neil oliver and the neil oliver show. okay, first question. would you eat meat grown in a laboratory? it's a question that seems to divide opinion , joining me now, though, opinion, joining me now, though, is ivor cummins, a biochem artist who feels that we should be wary of such products. ivor, thanks for joining me be wary of such products. ivor, thanks forjoining me . be wary of such products. ivor, thanks forjoining me. i'm a great admirer of your work. good to see you there . to see you there. >> oh, likewise. neil. i'm a huge admirer of your work. also goes without saying. >> good stuff there to get to the meat of the issue. pardon the meat of the issue. pardon the pun. can you describe for me the pun. can you describe for me the reality of lab grown meat, what we're actually dealing with here? >> well, we should probably draw a contrast with the fake meat problem. >> so the beyond burgers and all these things, they're fake meat and they're made up with refined grains, gmos, soy. and they're

basically the ultimate ultra processed junk food, which has caused most of the chronic disease in the world over the last half century. so they're completely disgusting, mock the laboratory grown meat. it's hard to out exactly what the to find out exactly what the harms might be. it's basically mimicking real meat, and it doesn't have all of the refined grains and junk in it. but i think the problem with the laboratory grown meat is that animals reared by humans properly with regenerative farming, are the best possible way of getting all the polypeptides, all of the nutrients, all of the goodness of meat and it's important to note as well, that the vast majority of paleoanthropologists, without question, would acknowledge that homo sapiens grew their extraordinary brains primarily through scavenging of organ meats and carcases, and then going on to being the most successful hunters in the planet. so the reason that human species is here is the incredible nutrient density of

meat. so if you go to make it in a lab, you may not make a harmful product per se, but there's no way you'll match the incredible value of real meat. and the other problem is that it's mainly been driven based on an environmental climate premise . but if you go to sacred cow.info and look at all their infographics , the problem with infographics, the problem with actual properly reared animals for meat is grossly exaggerated and that's even if you acknowledge the whole climate change disaster scenarios, even if you acknowledge them, the contribution from properly reared meat is minuscule . it has reared meat is minuscule. it has no meaning. so the whole basis for doing lab grown meat in this kind of technocracy nonsense has no actual basis in the first place. that's a huge problem. it's driven on a lie and it's for profiteering and other ulterior motives .

ulterior motives. >> i would say when you mention ulterior motive , i said earlier ulterior motive, i said earlier in the show, it strikes me as indicative of a kind of broader contempt in which we, the people, are being held by, by those who have some who are in a position to exert authority over us. there's a feeling that, well, that's good enough for them. why are we giving them the good stuff? you know, when we can give them ersatz imitation facsimile food? it almost feels. it almost feels like another means by which we, the people, are being put in our place . are being put in our place. >> yeah, for sure, neil. >> yeah, for sure, neil. >> and the beauty is that all of this problem is documented. so from the rockefeller brothers fund through to the world economic forum, club of rome and all of these organisations over 70 years, it's all documented and it culminates in agenda 2030 of the un. that's also documented and yes, indeed, they

want a much more managed ant farm is the way i describe it in the west. china's got a great ant farm. everyone's under control. surveillance, tracking and highly depend on the government. and in the west, i think there's the jealousy looking at that and dependency i think is a big part of this. if you have local , healthy meats you have local, healthy meats and vegetables grown in individual countries, it's the best for the climate. it's the best for the climate. it's the best for the climate. it's the best for local self—sufficiency. you know , and sovereignty. but you know, and sovereignty. but all of this push is to create a fake food pipeline . and ideally, fake food pipeline. and ideally, as we're seeing in europe, the farmers protests, they want to take away local kind of self—sufficiency, and they want to create dependency. so i think that's one of the big advantages of all of the ultra processed food and fake food. and indeed lab food. you create a pipeline

where the people are dependent on that over time , and they lose on that over time, and they lose their local natural resources and self—sufficiency . i think and self—sufficiency. i think i'm just going to one of the angles here. i'm just giving less nutrient density and less ideal foods that give humans health and mental acuity and vigour. i mean, we know about genghis khan and all the horses they lived fought on their horses, and they ate their horses, and they ate their horses when they were short of food . food. >> i'm just going to bring in. i'm just going to bring in my guest in the studio here, just just to her reaction to just to hear her reaction to what you're saying here. jasmine, culture dependency jasmine, a culture of dependency , you know, you think that , you know, do you think that there an intention here to there is an intention here to take people away, even less agency, less control over your life and more dependency ? life and more dependency? >> you mentioned, for example, just having to register your chickens. i mean, an absolutely ridiculous concept. i assume it's because that once a year or so they'll decide there's something like bird flu and they

all have to be culled. you know, i mean, if you don't register it and they find you've got one, it's a £5,000 fine. you know, when you have stupid, stupid stuff that and farmers are stuff like that and farmers are actually watched via actually being watched via satellite for , satellite and being fined for, ploughing fields at a time ploughing their fields at a time they're supposed they're not supposed to be they're not supposed t(this is ploughing their fields. this is clearly surveillance state clearly a surveillance state that they're trying to bring in. as ivor says, you know, just like china, they want to be like china. and it's all about control, i think. >> ivor, it seems i mentioned to jasmine earlier in the show that it seems paradoxical to me that here in the west, where we have wealth , we have all this wealth, we have all this technology at our fingertips , technology at our fingertips, and yet the people seem to be and yet the people seem to be and are measurably in declining health, mental, physical and spiritual . how can that be when spiritual. how can that be when we live in the land of notional plenty and yet everyone looks grey and fat ? grey and fat? >> yeah. well, neil, and you know, more than most, which are

historical expertise, but i'm a world war ii buff as well. and the reality is, we're three generations since world war two and people have gotten really soft. they've had it so good for soft. they've had it so good for so long. we have an incredible safety culture and everyone's terrified of everything, so that's weakened them. but the other huge thing since world war ii is ultra processed food . so ii is ultra processed food. so i call it the devil's triad. it's sugar refined grains and processed vegetable or seed oils and that's what makes up most of ultra processed food. and that's 60% of uk calories, approximately from the bmj. so our people are poisoned now and they do become fat, depressed, and much less able to be resilient and to pay attention to their surroundings. i've often said in the morning, if there was magically only meat, fish and eggs and maybe some vegetables available, that was the only food . within a month or the only food. within a month or two, population would be two, the population would be visibly and half of

visibly transformed and half of the pharma companies would go out of business. i've run out of time with you, but thank you so much for your enlightening contribution will continue contribution and i will continue to your product online. to consume your product online. >> a fascinating, auditor you are in so many areas. thank you, ivor cummins yet again, another break, but don't go anywhere. we'll a .

>> welcome back to the neil oliver show. my next guest this evening is comedian louis schaeffer, who, by any standards, has a fairly radical approach to diet. louis joins me now. louis, it's great to see you. tell me, first of all, why you. tell me, first of all, why you embarked on a change to your

diet. specifically, you had health issues, did you not? >> no. i didn't realise i had health issues until i changed, until i lost a lot of weight. and then i said. and then. and then i started to as i'm losing then i started to as i'm losing the weight, i was feeling so much better. but then i started to maintain the weight and it all crumbled again. >> what were the what were the, let's say, the complaints, the health complaints that you had that you subsequently have found yourself to be without? >> well, let's start from the top of my head. i had full body psoriasis. yes, i had a sleep apnoea, which is one of those cpap machines that cost like thousands on the nhs. just like a man three but whatever. it's, you know, with a whole i had to go to sleep and what very sexy i had. i had i had frozen shoulder trigger finger , i had gout, i trigger finger, i had gout, i had plantar fasciitis , i had, had plantar fasciitis, i had, i had plantar fasciitis, i had, i had oedema, which is swollen hands and swollen feet. i had, i

had, i had erectile dysfunction. >> you're a fine figure of a man, weren't you? >> i was, i was horrible, but. >> i was, i was horrible, but. >> so what did you embark upon? >> so what did you embark upon? >> i'll say up front, i've been i've been following you on social media because of the photographs that you post of your platefuls . your daily platefuls. >> yes, i do that to fascinate me. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> so what was the what? >> so what was the what? >> diet have you embarked >> what diet have you embarked upon ? and by diet, i really mean upon? and by diet, i really mean a way of life. >> yeah, a way that's true because people think a died is just about weight. it's just about losing weight. it's not weight anymore not about losing weight anymore because lost weight the old because i lost weight the old fashioned way, which is basically torturing yourself. fashioned way, which is bassolly torturing yourself. fashioned way, which is basso what turing yourself. fashioned way, which is basso what doing yourself. fashioned way, which is basso what doing yeat?alf. >> so what do you eat? >> so what do you eat? >> i eat steak and eggs, basically, i am now. i've now for 18 months i've been raw steak, and try for steak, raw beef, and i try for raw eggs. i try to eat 3 to 5 raw eggs. i try to eat 3 to 5 raw eggs. i try to eat 3 to 5 raw eggs a day just the yolks. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> now why? >> now why? >> that's that's what i eat. that's basically what i eat. >> so that would be so that

would be a fairly unglamorous cut of beef. >> that's the cooked food that my that the woman who i live with, i just me eating with, i just this is me eating the runny eggs. this is not an indication, but that's what i eat. i eat raw eggs. that's scrambled eggs with butter, that's my that's that's where my girlfriend food. girlfriend cooked me some food. and eat it because she and i had to eat it because she she said she's my girlfriend. >> and why? >> and why? >> why raw? have you not >> why raw? why have you not only have you, are you limiting yourself just a handful yourself to just just a handful of things? you don't them ehhen >> no. but because this what >> no. but because this is what i've this for five i've been doing this for five years, after a while, you years, and after a while, you know, i know enough stuff, but i'm. know, i know, but i'm. you know, i know, but explain it to me. >> you why why raw >> why have you why why raw human? the human species has been cooking meat for hundreds of thousands years, at least. of thousands of years, at least. at would say that? >> why would you say that? there's to raw. there's a benefit to raw. >> there's a benefit to raw because it's more hydrating because it's more hydrating because it's more hydrating because it doesn't kill any of the nutrients. this is everything that i've learned off of the internet , and it doesn't of the internet, and it doesn't kill the nutrients that are in their cooked food. it's not as chewy. it's just delicious.

their cooked food. it's not as chewy. it'sjust delicious. it's raw is raw is better after. >> well, how do you listening to louis describe this? i mean, it absolutely fascinates me that the man was a catalogue of medical ailments. so switches to raw beef, raw eggs and, you know, a few other things besides butter and whatnot. and he's now fit as a flea. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> fielded muscle. yeah. yeah. oh yeah. >> very not advocating it as a lifestyle choice. you know do not take dietary advice from this show. but what you make this show. but what do you make of. it is so interesting. of. well it is so interesting. >> mean, it makes me think of >> i mean, it makes me think of jordan peterson, course, jordan peterson, of course, who's something similar , who's doing something similar, and as well. and and his daughter as well. and laura, kayla, trying laura, laura, kayla, i'm trying to also, anyway, to think of, also, anyway, somebody else who does exactly pretty much exactly the same. so. but it's meat and potatoes or meat and broccoli. there are, you know, people have different ones. steak, not just ones. and it's steak, not just meat. fact, it's steak. so meat. in fact, it's steak. so i do people. i also have do know people. i also have friends who raw vegans. i've friends who are raw vegans. i've got friends that can think got two friends that i can think of who became raw vegan again because of all sorts of physical problems that they had, and they

swear blind that raw veganism has made them healthier, has made blind. yeah, well, made them blind. yeah, well, that's what they that's why they swear it blind. >> that is that is that >> is that is that is that you've got to give jordan peterson a shout out. i've been doing i've been doing this six years. i've been doing this six years. i've been doing diet of only doing this, this diet of only meat. mostly i, i cheat , meat. mostly i, i cheat, everybody cheats. but i have 95% of my diet is not is not plants. it's meat. but but, i was heading in that direction. you had oliver cummings on the show, and he was a big influence on my on my life. and then you saw i'm not the only one. that's why in aboutin not the only one. that's why in about in about a year, this will not be weird at all. >> in the interest in the interest of what we like to call balance, i can tell you that i've got here the nhs diet guidelines. okay. the national health which fascinates health service, which fascinates me as well. i'm fascinated by so much , five portions of fruit and much, five portions of fruit and veg a day seems reasonable. base your meals on starchy foods like potatoes, bread, rice or pasta.

that's anathema to you, have some dairy alternatives , such as some dairy alternatives, such as soy. now that does not sound well. it's interesting. eat some beans , pulses, fish, eggs, meat beans, pulses, fish, eggs, meat and other protein. choose unsaturated oils. now, that's the very vegetable oils that i think are are the devil's own. yeah. sweat. yeah. and eat them in small amounts. drink plenty of fluids. 6 to 8 glasses a day. that sounds fair enough. i don't think you should. >> the water. the water is one of the worst things. you don't. you don't need water when you're on a on a on a you don't need water when you're onaonaonaraw you don't need water when you're on a on a on a raw diet, you get enough. you get enough in the meat. animals aren't drinking water the time. you should water all the time. you should well i do. >> are there any downsides ? i >> are there any downsides? i mean, apart from it must be boring. >> it is really boring. and here's the downside. the downside is people think you're going to die and people are wishing me dead. and i made a mistake. i put the thing up, i put the pictures up, and people want me. they want me dead because don't want it to be

because they don't want it to be right. they can't right. because they can't believe. it involves. believe. because it involves. they i'm killing they think it's, i'm killing more their vegan more animals than their vegan diet, is not true . so they diet, which is not true. so they want me dead. so if i die, if i die tomorrow , everybody's going die tomorrow, everybody's going to say, you see, i told you, if i get hit by a bus, they'd blame my meat diet. >> yeah, yeah, you're right that if sceptical, people if people are sceptical, people are be sceptical are entitled to be sceptical about you're saying. about what you're saying. although the physical although you know, the physical manifestation for manifestation seems to speak for itself what were itself given what you were describing before. as you describing before. but as you say, peterson , mikael say, jordan peterson, mikael peterson, daughter. yeah. peterson, his daughter. yeah. for i've been reading for years now i've been reading about how they they have if they don't still, certainly did don't still, they certainly did for a long time subsist purely on and water. but salt. on beef and water. but salt. yeah. and that and mikayla in particular had a juvenile arthritis. she was serious suffering in all manner of ways. and, and since switching on to this extremely radical meat only diet , she is this extremely radical meat only diet, she is she is extremely fit as as the photographs that she posts of herself will plainly testify. i mean, at the very least, it's fascinating . yeah. >> it is. yeah. at the key.

sorry. the key thing is, is that she started this horrible diet. she's like 30 years old. so she started it when she was you know, 30 years ago when it was i old enough to remember butter. so my, my body isn't as bad as that. and so and so , you know, that. and so and so, you know, she's obviously my bad health came 30 years out you know, to now unfortunately we have to break now but we will be continuing this food and nutrition based conversation as we progress . we progress. >> we'll be chatting next to chelsea munroe from peta, who says that lab grown meat is the future because it will help to save the planet. you're watching the oliver show gb news. the neil oliver show on gb news. don't anywhere.

welcome back to the neil oliver show. my next guest this evening is chelsea munroe. the digital campaigns manager at peta. the people for the ethical treatment of animals, who feels that the move towards in—vitro meat is happening and not a minute too soon. chelsea joins me now. good evening, chelsea, thanks for joining me . joining me. >> evening. thanks for having me i >> -- >> as seems like an obvious question i have to ask , have you question i have to ask, have you tried in vitro lab grown meat? have you sampled it? >> i haven't , no, and i don't >> i haven't, no, and i don't feel the need to try it as since giving up meat, i feel great in myself, however, i'm really very supportive of anybody who would choose lab grown meat over an animal who's been slaughtered in animal who's been slaughtered in an abattoir . an abattoir. >> are you persuaded that lab grown meat is better for the environment than livestock herds kept in the traditional way ? kept in the traditional way? >> absolutely. yeah. to put it into context, it takes £16 of

grain to produce £1 of meat, the way that we farm now uses so much water, energy and resources. and it's so wasteful that the united nations has cited farming as one of the leading causes of climate changes. and it's estimated that this in—vitro meat would use a fraction, a very small fraction of the resources and energy that factory farms would do . so it's factory farms would do. so it's definitely a no brainer. it would be so much better for the environment. >> the reason the reason i ask, i've i'm looking at a study by livestock environment and people , a program at the oxford martin school, and it's, it's very recent research and it suggests that while, uptake of particular forms of cultured meat could indeed be better for the climate , others could actually lead to higher global temperatures in the long run. now, i would say that it would. it would seem

that it would. it would seem that there isn't necessarily a consensus support supporting the nofion consensus support supporting the notion that lab grown meat is definitely better for the environment in every case. and thatis environment in every case. and that is if a person subscribes to the notion that that livestock is detrimental to the, to the environment in in any case, but i think it would be i think it has to be fair to say that the, you know , the jury is that the, you know, the jury is still out on whether, it's better for the environment. so there would have to be there would have to be better and other reasons for advocating a move to lab grown meat than purely the environmental. >> there are. yeah. i mean, animal animal rights is definitely one of the leading causes. currently, right now in the uk, 300,000 chickens die every single day in the meat industry . we can take cells from industry. we can take cells from animals without even harming them. and there's already cell lines available for scientists to use, for lab grown meat. so we really could be saving billions and billions of lives,

by implementing lab grown meat. >> this drift to this, this technology of creating meat where there was none, seems fundamentally wrong. >> yes. because i've found myself, drifting away from meat, over the last few years, partly because i'm one who, you know, i find it difficult because i love, i love animals. i find it difficult that that i would be eating, you know, these little soft, furry creatures, or maybe not soft furry, but, you know, creatures. but at the same time , creatures. but at the same time, |, creatures. but at the same time, i, i really if i'm going to do that, i would go to vegetables, you know, i'd be pescatarian, maybe just to eat fish, etc, rather than have some kind of as you say, frankenstein meat product, which it just doesn't feel right. there's again, there's a sense of control . and there's a sense of control. and also like with the electric vehicles, there are all sorts of hidden costs, hidden ways in which those are harming the environment. and i think that the production of processed meat, pretend meat will have all

sorts of ways of harming the environment, which you don't get, i think, with with animals personally . personally. >> to me, the, the, the prime consideration is the is the people are the people. >> you know, i it's the welfare of people . yes. and there's, of people. yes. and there's, there's something profoundly anti—human about a great deal of the broader agenda of 2030 or however what you want to describe it that that people are not being properly respected . not being properly respected. you can have your you can have your your conversations about whether or not animals are properly treated. but we're definitely, in my mind, drifting into where people are into territory where people are not treated respect . not being treated with respect. >> oh, very much so. and as you know, the of the co—founders know, the one of the co—founders of greenpeace is patrick moore. he's recently said that if we get to zero, half of the get to net zero, half of the population of world will population of the world will die. now, many will say that that's of point that that's part of the point that you know, the agenda, the depopulation agenda, if it's if it exist, is to remove 7.5

it does exist, is to remove 7.5 billion people from the world. well, if you know, you can remove more. >> chelsea, can i put that point to you while i still have you? the broader agenda, 2030 to me and your jasmine was echoing the feeling it feels anti—human. it feels that people are being put into second place or third place, and that it's an unhappy direction of travel. >> yeah. so actually, i wanted to touch back on what you were saying. a minute ago about sort of it feeling a bit unnatural, but there is actually nothing more unnatural than taking animals from their environment and cramming them into sheds by the thousands so they can't turn around . and frankenstein genetic around. and frankenstein genetic modifications that have been used in animals, is again, it's unnatural, chickens in the meat industry , for example, they're industry, for example, they're bred to grow extremely large , bred to grow extremely large, heavy upper bodies very, very quickly to maximise profits,

their bodies then can't be supported by their legs and they collapse and they have to sit in their waste, until they're taken to the abattoir and the waste can give them ammonia burns. and there's just simply no way to ethically or humanely kill an animal, when their throats are slit and they're plunged into the feathering tanks which scald them , there is just no way, them, there is just no way, whether that's a local farm or a farm further away. it's not humane , and i do completely humane, and i do completely agree that the best diet is oats, grain and fruits and vegetables. and i completely support that. but if we're looking at, meat, that's , you looking at, meat, that's, you know, from an animal who's being killed in an abattoir versus , killed in an abattoir versus, meat that's being grown in a clean and sterilised laboratory, thatis clean and sterilised laboratory, that is definitely the better option. >> chelsea, i absolutely respect your opinion and your feelings about meat consumption as i do.

>> i respect the way that so many people express that feeling that what we're doing is, you know, is wrong. but for my own part, i absolutely want animals who are that are being raised for food to be ethically and decently treated. and i believe there is a way of doing that as a as i believe there is a humane way in which animals can be slaughtered, but i absolutely respect your your opinion on that. thank you so much for joining this evening. that's joining us this evening. that's all the tv portion of the all for the tv portion of the neil show, but stay tuned neil oliver show, but stay tuned for free speech nation . there's for free speech nation. there's plenty extra content on gb plenty more extra content on gb news. com eco preneur simon godec will tell us about the powers of vitamin d. we'll hear from kc means, co—author of the good energy, and i'll also be joined by davinia taylor, the former actress turned author and nutritionist. see you there. >> on mark dolan tonight. have any lessons been learned from

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