on the next step. must decide on the next step. >> we need to see what the war cabinet decides in terms of the whatever next step they want to pursue, and that's a sovereign decision, of that our decision, of course, that our israeli counterparts to israeli counterparts have to make. just say this, make. i would just say this, president since the president biden, since the beginning conflict, has beginning of this conflict, has worked very to keep this worked very hard to keep this from a broader regional war. >> earlier, rishi sunak confirmed raf did shoot down confirmed the raf did shoot down a number of iranian drones and missiles. of the 300 launched overnight. in what he's described as a dangerous escalation. shadow foreign secretary david lammy is urging the government to issue sanctions against iran's revolutionary national guard. >> this highlights , once again, >> this highlights, once again, the extreme danger of the irgc and the iranian guard . and we and the iranian guard. and we have said that we think that it should be prescribed , and it is should be prescribed, and it is for the government to come forward with new plans to prescribe them and to deal with this issue of state actors that would behave in this appalling

way, that wreaks terror on a wider community. >> vie more than 120,000 people have crossed the english channel by small boats since 2018, to 219 arrivals were recorded by the home office yesterday . the the home office yesterday. the total for this year is now 17% higher than the same period last yeah higher than the same period last year. labour's shadow immigration minister, stephen kinnock, has called it another grim milestone and said britain must strengthen its border security . meanwhile, a cabinet security. meanwhile, a cabinet minister has insisted the government's rwanda plan is on track with flights due to take off within weeks. health secretary victoria atkins says the home office is ready to go despite the troubled bill still making its way through parliament. no airline has been named to transport asylum seekers. rwanda's state owned carrier has turned down a request. the prime minister, though, has repeatedly said the flights will take off by the spring. although no date has been set. labour says it will impose strict 24 hour time

limits on police when dealing with serious domestic abuse cases. the initiative has been dubbed raneem's law after 22 year old raneem oudeh, who was killed by her former partner 11 days after obtaining an order against him. shadow home secretary yvette cooper says she's sick and tired of the government treating violence against women and girls as inevitable instead of an emergency. but the government says labour is soft on crime and doesn't have a plan to deal with it. the knife attacker, who killed six people at a shopping centre in sydney, advertised himself online as a male escort and tried to join groups of gun owners. joel cauchi had been known to police, particularly over the last five years, but hadnt over the last five years, but hadn't been arrested or charged before yesterday's attack. police believe the 40 year old suffered from schizophrenia and used drugs, including methamphetamine and psychedelics . his family have released a statement in support of the police officer who shot and killed him, saying she was only doing her job. and a new poll

doing herjob. and a new poll suggests humza yousafs popularity among snp voters has fallen sharply. a survey of more than 1000 people in scotland found the first minister's score fell to —7. amongst those who voted for the scottish national party in 2019, his approval with the general public also dropped to levels similar to his conservative rivals. it follows the introduction of a new hate crime law that prompted more than 7000 complaints in its first week. we'll have more in our later bulletins, or we can get more on all of our stories right now by signing up to gb news alerts the qr codes on your screen. there's more information on our website. now time on our website. now it's time for speech nation . for free speech nation. >> hello and welcome! i'm stephen allan and this is free speech nation . yeah. welcome to

speech nation. yeah. welcome to free speech nation with me, stephen allan, this week. and this is the show where we take a look at culture, current affairs and politics. and of course, we have the latest from those lovable culture warriors coming up tonight's show. lovable culture warriors coming up tonight's show . we'll be up on tonight's show. we'll be joined the free speech union, joined by the free speech union, who people with that who are helping people with that pesky crime bill pesky scottish hate crime bill by a free speech by opening a free speech hotline. we'll also be joined by spike journalist joe bartosh to help us discuss and dissect the cass report and what it means for the future of gender health services in the uk. and of course, myself and my fantastic panel will be answering questions our wonderful questions from our wonderful studio my studio studio audience. my studio guests this evening we have comedians paul cox and cressida wetton. yes . big fan of your wetton. yes. big fan of your work, big fan of your work. so let's get some of these questions from the audience. first we look to tim. first question from tim. >> thank you. brexit covid 1905 prime ministers and the start of

world war iii. what's next? >> what more do you want him ? >> what more do you want him? >> what more do you want him? >> but yes, i suppose to put this in context with around launching hundreds of aerial drones and missiles at israel, the israeli military said that israel and other countries intercepted more than 300 of these cruise missiles, drones , these cruise missiles, drones, mostly outside israeli airspace. but let's turn to paul. how are you feeling? how willing are you to sign up to a two year phone contract right now? >> well, you can sign up to it. you might not have to pay it all. so look , it has the all. so look, it has the potential, doesn't it? we do get carried away with ourselves, particularly in the media, to hype up make it into hype this up and make it into world war iii, because it does have the potential now for me, it's israel react it's about how israel react against . it's not to do against iran. it's not to do with what iran does because iran don't really have the capability. they can push it and they can keep pushing it, but ultimately it's going to become about retaliation. now, if

about the retaliation. now, if it becomes for tat and this goes on for weeks, the west are going to support israel and the to support israel and buy the west, i the us, and we're west, i mean, the us, and we're all in the all going to follow in the background we help all going to follow in the backplease? we help all going to follow in the backplease? and we help all going to follow in the backplease? and we're we help all going to follow in the backplease? and we're all help all going to follow in the backplease? and we're all going out, please? and we're all going to go to war. >> but aren't world wars caused by people taking and by people taking sides and joining you look at joining in? and then you look at the, the list of like china, russia, north makes that russia, north korea makes that list for some you think, list for some reason. you think, well, i mean, you know, they do. >> i mean, they're not on our side are they. no. >> that's true. but also you kind of think, you know, a loud bang might help someone get a heart attack that country. heart attack in that country. you know i mean? with that you know what i mean? with that body mass. >> if i lived there? look >> what if i lived there? look i mean, haven't seen myself, so mean, i haven't seen myself, so maybe have but maybe they have already, but it'd be interesting to see what china russia china and russia have individually collectively individually or collectively have this, because have to say about this, because they opportunity. they they have an opportunity. now, to say, well, now, don't they, to say, well, we condone attack from we don't condone the attack from iran attack from iran because the attack from iran because the attack from iran looks it iran at the moment looks like it was targeted. saying it was targeted. they're saying it was targeted. they're saying it was was just as far as was maybe it was just as far as the could go, and then the drones could go, and then they fell of the air. they fell out of the air. i don't know, but they're saying it was targeted and it didn't

hit any, civilians, although there been a seven old there has been a seven year old girl been critically girl who has been critically injured. life injured. so, with life threatening so it threatening injuries. so it is very it is very very serious. it is very serious. i'm not trying to undermine it. >> and so, cressida, you know, it's world yet. but it's not world war iii yet. but then there was then again, i suppose there was a before world war one where a bit before world war one where firstly, they weren't calling it world one and would world war one and they would have well, was have been like, well, it was just some what's the just some archduke. what's the worst just some archduke. what's the worthat's such a good point, >> that's such a good point, isn't mean, i'm glad isn't it? i mean, i'm glad you've come to me, you know, international weapons expert that glad someone's international weapons expert that me, glad someone's international weapons expert that me, (that'symeone's international weapons expert that me, (that's such1e's international weapons expert that me, (that's such a's asking me, but that's such a good we don't know, good point. we just don't know, do over 50. i'm do we? it's 50 over 50. i'm going go down to ladbrokes going to go down to ladbrokes later a tenner both later and put a tenner both ways. haven't got a clue. ways. i haven't got a clue. i really hope get my mortgage really hope i get my mortgage sorted gets really sorted before it gets really bad. like your bad. very much like your phone contract situation, but no, i mean we're just aren't we mean we're just tense. aren't we trying wait for take out trying to wait for take out every going? trying to wait for take out eveyeah, going? trying to wait for take out eveyeah, we'reing? trying to wait for take out eveyeah, we're going to >> yeah, if we're going to end up in what's the don't up in war, what's the don't worry just just take worry about it. just just take out contract that's five years long. >> $- e!- @ cox for pm. >> paul cox for pm. >> paul cox for pm. >> that's the kind of decisive i was thinking for martin lewis's job. saving expert. job. yeah. money saving expert. get is the war get some contracts. is the war on the let's cheer on the way, let's try and cheer things our next question

things up with our next question from you got from roger. what have you got for roger? for us? roger? hello. >> is afghanistan the real >> is afghanistan now the real land free? land of the free? >> i cheer us up, roger. so >> i said cheer us up, roger. so it's delegation british it's a delegation of british clerics a fact clerics who went on a fact finding afghanistan, finding mission to afghanistan, promoted the country, is promoted the country, which is run taliban, as one of run by the taliban, as one of the britain's and also one of the britain's and also one of the britain's and also one of the britain's leading universities and, afghan state television. saying television. they were saying this, it as this, describing it as a beautiful government, and said that never felt such that they'd never felt such freedom . cressida, would you freedom. cressida, would you feel a lot freedom there? feel a lot of freedom there? what? it's the one thing i nofice what? it's the one thing i notice about you. >> i'm very to my gcses >> i'm very attached to my gcses as feel, you know, i'm always as i feel, you know, i'm always moaning about the feminists moaning about the feminists moaning in this country. but i think we've got a case of male privilege here, haven't we? i think a different think it's a very different country depending on who you are, i'm not in a rush to go to afghanistan. i mean, good luck to them rebuilding. i hope they're whale a they're having a whale of a time. think it's very odd time. but i think it's very odd that got british people that we've got british people going over there celebrating going over there and celebrating their government. it's their style of government. it's not me. not for me. >> yeah, they have that >> yeah, they have said that they whilst they they think whilst prioritising things, should prioritising things, they should prioritise economy before prioritise the economy before women's education. what are your

thoughts on that one? >> really me about >> what really upsets me about that that i think it's right, that is that i think it's right, well, i just, you know, i mean, well, ijust, you know, i mean, we're always complaining this we're always complaining in this country, sent work. country, women get sent to work. we're encouraged. on, we're encouraged. come on, become a ceo. don't be happy. be be economically productive. you know ? but i'd like it to be my know? but i'd like it to be my choice. i think that's really important. tell important. and to just tell women go to school women they can't go to school after senior school age is absolutely outrageous. and i can't believe we're having this conversation. and but there we are. we are. >> well, i mean, to get some counter on that. and the pro counter on that. and for the pro afghanistan, take paul cox i mean, because because afghanistan hadn't been in the news much over the last 20 years, thought do some research. >> steve. >> steve. >> oh, he's got notes. >> oh, he's got notes. >> have notes. apparently >> i have got notes. apparently there human rights just there are human rights just recently isn't very good. 218 extrajudicial killings , 14 extrajudicial killings, 14 sorry, 144 enforced forced disappearances. this is last year , by the way, over 140 cases year, by the way, over 140 cases of torture and misconduct of detainees. now that is just the

tip of the iceberg. if you look any further into that google research that i did, it is a quite terrible place to go by our own standards. now i know we're all about being, you know, enjoying other people's cultures, but there are parts of other people's cultures that can stay there. i think it can absolutely stay there. we don't have to bring it in. i think the way that i think way that they i think particularly way middle particularly the way middle eastern treat women, particularly the way middle eapoor. treat women, particularly the way middle eapoor. understandit women, particularly the way middle eapoor. understand , women, particularly the way middle eapoor. understand , and 1en, particularly the way middle eapoor. understand , and the is poor. i understand, and the traditional role of women and, you know, there are some, some huge values in that. but, you know, i do see women as equal to men. me a while, men. it's taken me a while, steve, i finally and i'm not steve, but i finally and i'm not too sure. i think they're just appeasing. they're just i mean, what do you say when you're in their country ? what do you make their country? what do you make of afghanistan? you don't go. it's . have you the it's a mess. have you seen the human rights record? say human rights record? you say it's . bloody love it. it's brilliant. bloody love it. i can't wait to home. i can't wait to get home. >> you better not go there now. you've that googling. you've done that googling. honestly. you. honestly. they'll be after you. all question is all right, our next question is from andrew. >> evening. is worth

>> good evening. is it worth suing government suing the government over climate change? >> question . well, >> very good question. well, someone thinks so because there's a man who claims to have been made a climate refugee. important sure important phrase. i'm sure that'll a moment that'll come up in a moment because demolished because his home was demolished because his home was demolished because into because it risked falling into the suing the sea. he's suing the government . his his 70 year old. government. his his 70 year old. his is kevin jordan. he his name is kevin jordan. he said he everything said that he lost everything because it all the house, because it was all in the house, i sea erosion is the i imagine, sea erosion is the thing that's going there. thing that's going on there. what is he got a case? >> well, the sea has always been there. yeah. fact one. yeah. fact erodes the fact two the sea erodes the land. now, these things land. okay now, these things have been happening forever. the trouble the government have got is they've been for from my perspective, as you know, steve, they've been peddling fear for years what they've years now. so what they've done is they've guy an is they've given this guy an angle to claim on because they can't of this. now, the can't get out of this. now, the government that as far as i can tell, they were 100% have pay tell, they were 100% have to pay whatever them because if whatever he sees them because if they don't, they'll have to admit change isn't admit that climate change isn't that doesn't exist in that bad or doesn't exist in some way, isn't as imminent some way, or isn't as imminent as making out. so as they're making out. so they've painted themselves in a corner. is a clever move corner. this is a clever move from i think.

from him, i think. >> mean, could up >> i mean, they could come up with first argument that with your first argument that coastal not the same with your first argument that cotclimate not the same with your first argument that cotclimate change, ot the same with your first argument that cotclimate change, and|e same with your first argument that cotclimate change, and coastal as climate change, and coastal erosion erodes coasts. erosion erodes the coasts. i mean , the clue's the question mean, the clue's in the question at point, isn't it, on mean, the clue's in the question at so point, isn't it, on mean, the clue's in the question at so theyt, isn't it, on mean, the clue's in the question at so they although on mean, the clue's in the question at so they although he was this. so they although he was promised that his house would be all 100 all right for about 100 years, and we're years later and we're talking 15 years later that estate agent. that by an estate agent. >> good point. >> good point. >> my own experiment >> i've done my own experiment with because i like to eat with this because i like to eat cake, and like to have a bath cake, and i like to have a bath and in the bath. and after and cake in the bath. and after i'm in there several hours and after erodes after a while the cake erodes away. no cake. now, away. and i've got no cake. now, is climate is is that climate change or is that just i shouldn't eat cake? >> that would happen >> no, that would happen in a cold bath as well. paul, there's something else. >> would >> something else would happen in know, joe in a cold bath. you know, joe rogan, a cold bath, rogan, you get a cold bath, gammon. a cold gammon. you're getting a cold bath you need bath for too long. you need that estate round. estate agent round. >> the size of >> yeah. revalue the size of things. grief. things. good grief. >> remember reading a novel by >> i remember reading a novel by ben elton in the 90s where everybody ended up suing god, and far off that now, and we're not far off that now, are i what? i just are we? i mean, i what? i just can't believe it, no, i don't think it's reasonable , though. think it's reasonable, though. and also the local government. just him another house just give him another house on the rather than let this

the quiet rather than let this get so out of hand. >> they've him. yeah. so >> they've housed him. yeah. so he's a climate refugee, he's not a climate refugee, which is a dramatic phrase, which is a very dramatic phrase, isn't just doesn't live isn't he? now just doesn't live in house. that he previously in the house. that he previously bought. you haven't >> just if you haven't got anything you. i'm anything going for you. and i'm not you have not saying you didn't have a rich fulfilling life. rich and fulfilling life. i don't man, but that's a don't know the man, but that's a new thing be, isn't it? new thing you can be, isn't it? a climate refugee? >> he said he missed >> he also said he missed looking of his window the looking out of his window at the sea, so didn't have a lot in sea, so he didn't have a lot in his a lot of his life, did he? not a lot of on beach. on the beach. >> a sea view. mean, i'm >> like a sea view. i mean, i'm just looking something just looking for something that's natural light, that's got some natural light, you be enough you know, that would be enough for me. >> keep dreaming at your age. right. of so right. afford one of those. so our question the our final question for the moment what moment comes from mike. what have got for us, mike? have you got for us, mike? >> steve. have public >> hi, steve. have the public had of racing? had enough of horse racing? >> had enough of >> have the public had enough of horse well, animal horse racing? well, animal rising, animal horse racing? well, animal rising group animal horse racing? well, animal rising group that animal horse racing? well, animal rising group that staged al horse racing? well, animal rising group that staged a high rights group that staged a high profile the profile attempt to stop the grand national last year so that they weren't turning this they weren't turning up to this year's cressida, year's one, cressida, with a name love name like that, surely you love horses. you should horses. it feels like you should be very unfair. >> i'm a dog person. you can't ride a dog in the grand national. that's even worse. yeah, i haven't even tried,

look, i think this is a remarkably sensible story. they've point they've made their big point last gone by. it last year. a year's gone by. it turns out the public aren't that interested in horse racing. it's just dying a death. for whatever reason, numbers are down. reason, the numbers are down. there bums seats at there are fewer bums on seats at the races. they've sort of the races. so they've sort of won, they? it's won, haven't they? it's dwindling whether that's dwindling now, whether that's because everybody's at home on their devices and the whole world working world stopped working since covid. don't know the animal covid. i don't know the animal rising people are sort of trying to say that it's because of their efforts. now i don't know. but no, look, people's but no, look, the people's gavin's other than gavin's having other than disagree, seem disagree, but people don't seem to interested. it'sjust to be as interested. it's just falling fashion, right? yeah. >> i mean, i've never really been into horse racing. looks been into horse racing. it looks pretty people like to don't mean, people like to bet, don't they? but the numbers are they? no but the numbers are down last year instead of 40, down on last year instead of 40, they've gone down 34 horses, they've gone down to 34 horses, but a gambling's bit but it's a gambling's a bit easier to sell, isn't it? >> people addicted to >> people get addicted to gambling do, gambling more than they do, turning up to fancy events. >> no gamble on anything, >> yeah, no gamble on anything, but, i can eat but, by how much cake i can eat in that of thing. in the bath, that sort of thing. but it's already but the. but it's already happening, it's like happening, isn't it? it's like turning the titanic's turning up as the titanic's going down, saying, i told you it sink. it already

it would sink. it was already going, you know, the sport itself was in some level of decline . now, the more i looked decline. now, the more i looked into this, more i couldn't into this, the more i couldn't really the decline. the really see the decline. the people into horse people that are into their horse racing into it. they racing are still into it. they certainly been put off certainly haven't been put off by rights activists at by animal rights activists at all, because and i do wonder if they ended up with some suspended sentences and people got pretty serious got in some pretty serious trouble i do trouble last year. and i do worry think it's worth worry if they think it's worth more. trouble more. it's more trouble than it's . i'm not. more. it's more trouble than it's .i'm not. i more. it's more trouble than it's . i'm not. i don't it's worth. i'm not. i don't want to take anything away from them. i mean, i wish they wouldn't disrupt and wouldn't disrupt everything and just work and just let people get to work and all sort of stuff. but they all that sort of stuff. but they have the protest. have the right to protest. >> do think there's issue have the right to protest. >> dothat think there's issue have the right to protest. >> dothat protest?ere's issue have the right to protest. >> dothat protest? looked issue have the right to protest. >> dothat protest? looked like ie about that protest? looked like it helped the it might have not helped the situation of horses situation in terms of horses then going on to be injured and dying. it's to block dying. so it's easier to block the than it is to do the m25 than it is to do something at horse when, something at a horse race when, if, the horses die if, if any of the horses die after people well, my after and people say, well, my horse up because of horse was wound up because of that protest, that's such good that protest, that's such a good point, to love animals. >> that did happen last year. yeah. a result, you know, yeah. and as a result, you know, that the narrative. that wasn't the narrative. wasn't i imagine they had wasn't that i imagine they had to know, the to work very hard. you know, the animal killed to work very hard. you know, the anirhorse killed

to work very hard. you know, the anirhorse not killed to work very hard. you know, the anirhorse not the killed to work very hard. you know, the anirhorse not the headline the horse was not the headline that they were expecting the next day. >> b have next day. >> have stopped the >> it would have stopped the race enough, but race if they did it enough, but not they were after not in the way they were after they should. >> ride it. no, it's >> we should ride it. no, it's just off the top of my head. so it's going to be good. we should ride activists aintree . ride activists around aintree. >> tweet that. >> you can't tweet that. >> you can't tweet that. >> what you get , mike? >> i see what you get, mike? mike, your thoughts on this? are >> i see what you get, mike? mik> i see what you get, mike? mik> i see what you get, mike? mik> it's still not into horses at all? no, it's still very popular. yeah, it's still popular. yeah, it's still popular. it is declining a bit, but it's like trying to ban smoking right now when it's on the way out. >> because, that's going particularly well. all right. thank well, next thank you for that. well, next on speech nation, the cass on free speech nation, the cass report heavily critical of report was heavily critical of the nhs approach to gender confused children. we'll be joined porter from spiked joined by jo porter from spiked to findings the to discuss the findings and the consequences.

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nafion welcome back to free speech nation . in 2020, the nhs nation. in 2020, the nhs commissioned doctor hilary cass a leading paediatrician, to review its gender services for children and young people. it's now been released and the ramifications could be huge. and pleased to say that i'm joined by jo portas from spiked online to discuss the findings. so let's get stuck into it. what are your take? what's your take from the impact that you think it will have? >> so i think it's great that the research has been done and that report's that this report's been published, ultimately she that this report's been publizbasically ultimately she that this report's been publizbasically said1ately she that this report's been publizbasically said what she that this report's been publizbasically said what what she's basically said what what any person ought to any thinking person ought to have that it was a really, have known that it was a really, really give mentally really bad idea to give mentally confused kids experimental drugs, which is what puberty blockers are. so, so whilst i think it's absolutely brilliant that the research has been done, i think it's some kind of, you know, bit late and it's almost know, a bit late and it's almost something that had gender ideology not embedded itself within and within within the nhs and within practices. it wouldn't have been necessary all. necessary at all. >> suppose , given that >> i suppose, given that effectively saying effectively what you're saying is realised is people should have realised this . yes, people clearly this anyway. yes, people clearly weren't so

weren't realising this. so maybe. you think the presence maybe. do you think the presence of report will have an of the report will have an impact might actually move impact that might actually move the debate and convince minds? >> mean, to be honest, i >> well, i mean, to be honest, i interviewed, susan evans four years ago now. she blew the whistle in 2004 about what was happening at the tavistock. i mean, these concerns are not new about the affirmative approach that was pushed by lobby groups like mermaids, like gendered intelligence. so, you know , so intelligence. so, you know, so we have known for a long time, but the tenor of the debate has been such it's been very, very difficult just to state basic biological such you biological truths such as, you can't so , so way can't change sex, so, so by way of example, in 2019, i was at of an example, in 2019, i was at an event that was organised by campaigners kelly j. keane and venice allen at the house of lords and there was one mp there and that was david davies , tc and that was david davies, tc davies from monmouth, every other mp had been told that it would impact upon their career if they went to the event to discuss the impact of puberty blockers and what was going on at the tavistock. so, you know, there been a concerted

there has been a concerted effort shut down debate on effort to shut down debate on this, and it's been by this, and it's been driven by lobby groups, and i'm afraid to say those groups have say those lobby groups have still got influence in the nhs. >> report itself speaks of >> the report itself speaks of the toxicity of the debate, but actually says that there's blame to be doled out on both sides. what are your feelings to that? >> irritated, to be honest. so i understand why she had to word it in such a sort of placatory way. i mean, it almost reads like a bloody hostage note, you know, you can tell that she feels like she's on enemy territory. mean , it opens with territory. i mean, it opens with a line that this is not to invalidate identities of invalidate the identities of trans ever trans people. well, nobody ever said it's not about said it was. it's not about that. protecting that. it's about protecting children making children from making irreversible . so on irreversible decisions. so on the one hand, you've had people branded have just branded as toxic who have just simply to open up simply wanted to open up a discussion, open up and discussion, open up a debate and make sure that the evidence is there before we start effectively sterilising children. other side, children. and on the other side, you've very angry you've had very, very angry trans activists who have based their identities on this concept of the transgender child. and so

have a real sort of personal vested interest in in suppressing debate. >> i thought, i thought we'd be more hopeful. i thought, speaking to you today, you'd have more of a hopeful tone from this. but it's like the more we dig down, i don't sense it in you. >> i am. i mean, you know, it's vindicated. the whistleblowers. but at the same time, you know, polly she's the polly carmichael, she's on the books great ormond books for, gosh, in great ormond street they're street hospital. and they're going to be providing new gender services. now, you know, i think really her head should be on a bloody spike for what she's allowed to happen. similarly, james palmer, oversaw his james palmer, who oversaw his medical director who oversaw specialist commissioning services . so, you know, these services. so, you know, these people knew what was happening. and they've kept their jobs. and you've had whistleblowers who have out , who have have been pushed out, who have been trying to raise the alarm about this for very long time. about this for a very long time. so hopeful. but at the same so i am hopeful. but at the same time, when you look at, for example, centre, example, the indigo centre, which that has which is a new centre that has been up, set up in 2020 and been set up, set up in 2020 and that's in manchester now , the that's in manchester now, the people on the clinicians people on the, the clinicians on, on the sort of most senior

coalition clinicians within that institution , varne are also institution, varne are also members of opus. so that's a widely discredited, international lobby group essentially , they've worked with essentially, they've worked with they they celebrate the fact they they celebrate the fact they work with mermaids and they call themselves trans and non—binary now , that's non—binary lead now, that's a political stance. that's not a medical stance. so we are we are still we know we've got a lot of work to do to root this out of the nhs. >> so i saw someone discussing the fact that language might >> so i saw someone discussing the facwhat language might >> so i saw someone discussing the facwhat you language might >> so i saw someone discussing the facwhat you wantedje might >> so i saw someone discussing the facwhat you wanted to might >> so i saw someone discussing the facwhat you wanted to heart not be what you wanted to hear in the, the, the in a sense, not the, the, the vindication that you wanted, but what is language that's hard what it is language that's hard to accuse transphobic, to accuse of being transphobic, which have shut which actually would have shut this down, which definitely would have that nothing would have meant that nothing would have meant that nothing would this. would have come from this. anyone like the anyone who didn't like the results have simply results would have simply accused being some terf accused it of being some terf papen accused it of being some terf paper, or whatever the phrase they used online. so they would have used online. so maybe more hope in maybe there is more hope in that, if the that, that actually, if the core summary is effectively saying, oh, evidence do oh, you need evidence to do medical things , if it's just medical things, if it's just boiled that down to that, do you think an argument that boiled that down to that, do you thin could an argument that boiled that down to that, do you thin could sell argument that boiled that down to that, do you thin could sell to gument that boiled that down to that, do you thin could sell to people?that you could sell to people? >> absolutely. i be

>> absolutely. i mean, to be honest, it's probably bit of, >> absolutely. i mean, to be honyknow,s probably bit of, >> absolutely. i mean, to be honyknow, personaly bit of, >> absolutely. i mean, to be honyknow, personal irritation, >> absolutely. i mean, to be honykrisv, personal irritation, >> absolutely. i mean, to be honykris which onal irritation, >> absolutely. i mean, to be honykris which has irritation, >> absolutely. i mean, to be honykris which has crepttion, which is which has crept in. but but yeah, i think, you know, when strip aside this sort when you strip aside this sort of conciliator language of very conciliator language towards activists towards the trans activists who are because they are furious anyway, because they were always going to be. when you that aside, i think you strip that aside, i think actually recommendation actually the recommendation that she's example, she's made. so, for example, making sure that there's a bndge making sure that there's a bridge service between the ages of 18 and 25 so that people aren't just shunted into adult services proper services without the proper support. that are support. things like that are really and they will really important and they will make a difference. so actually, i think recommendations are i think the recommendations are brilliant. just find the brilliant. i just find the framing particularly framing is particularly irritating . right. irritating. right. >> but personally irritating rather honest . yeah, rather than, i'm honest. yeah, yeah. and so with the way that the recommendations are then laid out, do you think there's a chance that they'll be listened to? >> well, there's a there are protests being organised, sort of on the outside of the nhs. and as i say, there are a lot of activists within the nhs. i think it's very helpful that it came out before the parties released their manifestos. so, you had you know, we've had wes streeting of a bit of a streeting sort of had a bit of a

turnaround and has said that he's, he's going to it was a big 180, wasn't it? >> he was such a 180. i think keir starmer might sue for breach of copyright. >> well, yeah. and similarly, well, gillian obviously, well, gillian keegan obviously, you rest of you know, tory, all the rest of it. a few years was it. but a few years ago she was saying trans are women, saying trans women are women, and she's, you know, and now she's, you know, writing and now she's, you know, writing an , pieces of an opinion, pieces of complaining about cancel culture. it's culture. so, you know, it's things and that's things have changed and that's brilliant. but at same brilliant. but at the same time, i would to some i would quite like to see some heads right. i would quite like to see some heaif. right. i would quite like to see some heaif this right. i would quite like to see some heaif this report. i would quite like to see some heaif this report doesn't bring >> if this report doesn't bring about the change, you'd like to see happen next. see what could happen next. >> i think we need an inquiry into how the hell, sort of medically unqualified lobby groups were allowed, like mermaids were allowed to influence policy. i think that's absolutely vital. so they promoted things that were repeated in parliament by, you know, well, john nicholson, amongst other mps, for example, that children were at risk of committing suicide if they weren't affirmed in their cross—sex identities. now, that's a despicable thing to say. and, you know, obviously terrified parents into into

allowing their children to take dangerous experimental drugs. so i think this is so serious that absolutely, we need to have a proper investigation into how the hell this happened and to make sure that it doesn't ever happen again. >> okay. we'll put you >> okay. and then we'll put you in a few years time to talk in for a few years time to talk about how nothing's happened. joe, very that's joe, thank you very much. that's joe, thank you very much. that's joe thanks, cullen . joe barton. thanks, pat cullen. well, next on free speech nation, we'll be taking more questions from our lovely audience . yeah

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will help you deal with your issues and get to the bottom of whatever you need. getting to the bottom of it's a bad phrase for some of the things you send in that should not be the phrase is let's some is it? but first, let's get some more audience questions, let's have to, kelvin have a look. we go to, kelvin for next one. for the next one. >> there too many biopics >> are there too many biopics about celebrities? >> and if you could make a biopic , who would it be about? biopic, who would it be about? >> interesting . i suppose we >> interesting. i suppose we could talk about that at the moment, because you've got the amy winehouse one. and her best friend has said that singer friend has said that the singer would she saw it would be fuming if she saw it and you would because and what you would be, because the ends, i imagine, the way that it ends, i imagine, but yeah, i don't. i mean, it's not had good reviews. paul, do you are too of these? >> what? i think this sort of thing said before, thing has been said before, obviously, there's no obviously, but there's no case in where you, you in english law where you, you can a so you can copyright a life so you don't own the rights to your own life. know, someone's life. you know, when someone's passed away, you copyright passed away, you can't copyright that it that trademark it or make it intellectual property in any way. so people have artistic license to write and produce, you know, movies and documentaries in whatever way they see fit. and hopefully, and

they see fit. and hopefully, and the hope is that they do it in a sensitive way. but i've not seen it. it came out on friday, but my understanding of reading about it this afternoon is that it's a kind of glossy it's done in a kind of glossy way, you know, we don't way, and you know, we don't really get to see the essence of amy winehouse, who was the genius, know, that genius, you know, of that period in songwriting and in terms of songwriting and performance. and just performance. and it's just a shame what happened to her, and it would have been a great opportunity. now 13 years later, i think, to have maybe written something a bit more gritty. so we understood the real story . we understood the real story. >> your thoughts on this, christina? >> well, she's untouchable, isn't she? i was a massive fan. she was a tiny bit older than me, and she was such a hero. and every mistake and every bad thing did, she'd done, thing i ever did, she'd done, like, hundred and like, a hundred times harder and faster when died, faster and. and when she died, i thought to go thought how are we going to go through age without you, through old age without you, amy? idea that amy? and the idea that you. i mean, she's just watch her. there's footage of her. there's so much footage of her. i haven't watched any the i haven't watched any of the stuff was another i haven't watched any of the stuff wasn't was another i haven't watched any of the stuff wasn't there was another i haven't watched any of the stuff wasn't there years another i haven't watched any of the stuff wasn't there years agother film, wasn't there years ago called just thought, film, wasn't there years ago callyknow just thought, film, wasn't there years ago callyknow what? just thought, film, wasn't there years ago callyknow what? that's thought, film, wasn't there years ago callyknow what? that's just ght, film, wasn't there years ago callyknow what? that's just going you know what? that's just going to i don't want to to wind me up. i don't want to see it. okay, do you know, in

this they they got the this one, they they got the person amy winehouse to person playing amy winehouse to sing rather than use. >> yeah. in the queen one at least the sense of using the least had the sense of using the odd to me the whole thing is >> but to me the whole thing is odd. know, i guess it's odd. but, you know, i guess it's for not me. i don't know who it is for. just want to is for. if you just want to write kind of swashbuckling write a kind of swashbuckling life an amazing life story about an amazing pop star, right person. star, she's the right person. yeah, are. yeah, but so are. >> the second of >> the second part of the question could make question was if you could make a biopic someone, would biopic about someone, who would it cox , obviously. >> paul cox, obviously. >> paul cox, obviously. >> is what that is? yeah. >> is that what that is? yeah. >> is that what that is? yeah. >> don't that there's >> i don't know that there's a great answer, chris. i imagine my story, it's mainly just my life story, it's mainly just baths and cake. but it baths and cake. yeah, but it wouldn't long. wouldn't be long. >> could on >> but you could put it on the old vine. >> but you could put it on the old yeah. vine. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> who would you make one about, i'd great to see, andrew i'd be great to see, andrew doyle dp yeah, interesting. please keep booking me . please keep booking me. >> i think i'd go forjason statham because that way you could see how all of his films are the same. >> yeah, not stop. >> yeah, not stop. >> i'm an old bloke and i eat people and that's it. all the films you could look on as well. yeah. he really makes a bald

head work. some of his com, our next question is from abdi. what have you got for us? >> hello. another head? >> hello. another bald head? >> hello. another bald head? >> thought was jason >> i thought it was jason statham a minute statham for a minute there. >> so identical, >> he looked so identical, is being a to be sacked ? >> 7- >> it's a 7_ >> it's a solid 7 >> it's a solid question. reform uk said it's mortified, which is such a weird word to pick after its, sacking a general election candidate who was deceased, which seems like a good thing. they were complaining that he hadnt they were complaining that he hadn't been in touch. which unless, you know, unless you are turning up with a ouija board, it feels you've got to do it feels like you've got to do half work they're dead , half the work if they're dead, what think of this story? what do you think of this story? what does it make me laugh >> what does it make me laugh a little my dad was little bit, my dad was a self—employed all his working life, occasion life, and there was an occasion when business partner rang when his business partner rang an to see if they an old client to see if they wanted more, business. and wanted some more, business. and the chap had died. and when he got off the phone, the joke is that said, well, that's no that dad said, well, that's no excuse, is it. so made me think of what i i of that. what do i think? i mean, they did their best, didn't him didn't they? they sent him all the emails, the appropriate emails, nobody informed just informed them. i mean, it's just an mistake , isn't it?

an honest mistake, isn't it? >> it's a massively embarrassing, wasn't it? surely it check to if you it should check to see if you can pulse. i'm like, i'm can have a pulse. i'm like, i'm not a political expert, but that's bit. that's the bit. >> think people who >> well, i think people who aren't keen reform are aren't very keen on reform are having a field day with this, aren't they're going aren't they? they're going to have and it enormously. >> but yeah, i suppose that's true. parties have true. other parties might have oh, just move oh, we die and they just move them the house of lords. yeah them to the house of lords. yeah >> where they sit dead for years , by looks it. but , by the looks of it. but i mean, it could happen, couldn't it? it's candidate, it? but it's a candidate, a candidate, a candidate is someone is chosen to do a someone who is chosen to do a job on behalf of the party. so the first thing to check is, are they alive ? i would say, you they alive? i would say, you know, otherwise. i mean , anyone know, otherwise. i mean, anyone can do it from the past, from the front of the nose. what does that mean? >> so you can see that they're still breathing. >> oh, right. okay. no other i mean, but mean, you're a scientist, but there be ways of checking. >> probably not. but he was alive to start with, wasn't he? >> he alive. alive? when he >> he was alive. alive? when he decided he wanted be decided he wanted to be a candidate. well, that would be a very story. very different story. >> enough. let's on >> fair enough. let's crack on

to next question . chris, do to the next question. chris, do we have a question from chris? hi. >> should footballers stop >> yeah. should footballers stop having , wow. seems seems having kids, wow. seems seems harsh, but this is, jamie carragher, who tells footballers in their 20s, including his own son, therefore not to have children for the sake of having too many distractions in their career. paul what's your take on this? when did you have progeny , this? when did you have progeny, does that mean children? >> i don't know now . >> i don't know now. >> i don't know now. >> her name is. >> her name is. >> i was 29 when my daughter was born , just short of my 30th born, just short of my 30th birthday, and i don't at that point i was a project manager, p0|nt i was a pr0ject manager, so point i was a project manager, so i don't think i was saving myself in my 20s for my career. it didn't make any difference if it didn't make any difference if i did, to be honest, because then i became a clown. so it's interesting one, because if you look at the economics of it, if you're a, if you're a premier league footballer, then you can afford to have all sorts of help with your children because you're getting millions and you're getting paid millions and millions a year. i millions of pounds a year. i understand he's saying. understand what he's saying. if you read

you actually, i've read the article in because it article in full because it seemed it, you know, i wanted to understand nuance and understand the nuance of it. and he's basically himself he's basically saying he himself was of glad that he had was kind of glad that he had children young, because he meant he some of his he could share some of his playing with his son and playing career with his son and his daughter, his son has his daughter, and his son has now professional now become a professional footballer. be said of putting something to be said of putting your, something to be said of putting your , you know, if you are doing your, you know, if you are doing something that, where your something like that, where your career as well, career is, your life as well, that putting first. that you're putting that first. i'm i don't think i'm not sure. i don't think there's right and wrong for there's a right and wrong for that, i'm sure jamie that, and i'm not sure jamie carragher thought should that, and i'm not sure jamie cara gher thought should that, and i'm not sure jamie cara gher and ght should that, and i'm not sure jamie cara gher and wrong. should that, and i'm not sure jamie cara gher and wrong. sjust d that, and i'm not sure jamie caraofler and wrong. sjustd that, and i'm not sure jamie caraof said,1d wrong. sjust d that, and i'm not sure jamie caraof said, look,yng. sjust d that, and i'm not sure jamie caraof said, look, if]. sjust d that, and i'm not sure jamie caraof said, look, if]. ifsjust d sort of said, look, if i, if i was in my 20s now and i was earning all that money, i would just concentrate on my career. there other things should there are other things i should concentrate know, concentrate on too, you know, like football concentrate on too, you know, like going football concentrate on too, you know, like going to football concentrate on too, you know, like going to nightclubs.l concentrate on too, you know, like going to nightclubs and not going to nightclubs and sniffing stuff. sniffing like stuff. >> having kids might >> yeah. which having kids might put off suppose, put you off that, i suppose, and i the beckham i remember watching the beckham documentary and there's a bit where had first where they just had the first kid, has to fly off and kid, and he has to fly off and do international thing. is do some international thing. is an pressure. an extra pressure. >> an extra pressure. >> i love the beckham >> yeah. i love the beckham documentary, carragher, documentary, jamie carragher, i mean, one thing mean, if there's one thing we need, it's stop need, isn't it? it's to stop young men being desperate to have over the place. have babies all over the place. it's wound up. do we

it's just wound me up. do we need another person saying, you know, quite hard work? know, kids are quite hard work? it's most people it's not where most people aren't having it. we're having this with the birth this problem with with the birth rate and then. rate declining and then. >> if look, this is >> yeah, but if look, this is going to harsh thing. if going to be the harsh thing. if we have as many offspring we don't have as many offspring of lost of footballers, have we lost a cure for is that a thing cure for cancer, is that a thing you the point. >> you just did. no it's not, it's not other footballers reading this is it? >> it's all of us. >> yeah, but the advice is more appropriate to a footballer because you can basically play in your 20s. you don't do much in your 20s. you don't do much in your 20s. you don't do much in your 30s, you don't do anything your 40s. whereas anything in your 40s. whereas if you've another it's you've got another career, it's the other way around. so this is you've got another career, it's the advice.3y around. so this is bad advice. >> they know i mean, it's >> they know that. i mean, it's obvious, isn't it? >> on a football podcast. >> and so on a football podcast. >> and so on a football podcast. >> maybe it's been >> oh, did he so maybe it's been just in middle of the just stand in the middle of the street no one should have kids. >> that's what i heard. >> that's what i heard. >> didn't say it to his >> you didn't just say it to his son because that's thing. son because that's the thing. >> like point isn't it? >> it feels like point isn't it? >> it feels like point isn't it? >> it feels like point isn't it? >> i regret having children, son. who gives advice to his son? >> my advice is have children. it's wonderful. >> yes. right it. our next question is from peter. >> naval recruits >> should naval recruits actually able swim? >> should naval recruits act|should able swim? >> should naval recruits act|should navy swim? >> should naval recruits act|should navy recruits ? >> should naval recruits act|should navy recruits be able

>> should navy recruits be able to swim? anyone seeking to join the royal navy will no longer need to that they can swim need to prove that they can swim . swimming lessons will be provided, cressida . end provided, however, cressida. end of the world. >> it's our free swimming lessons . it's so >> it's our free swimming lessons. it's so undignified. >> swimming lessons. it won't terrify people if the soldiers have got their armbands picturing noodles . picturing noodles. >> and i'm picturing my dad taking me when i was seven. nose clipped, you know, doing your 25m, getting i mean , 25m, getting badges. i mean, come on, it's just it's so undignified. no, i'm not. i think they should be able to swim. i think it's ridiculous. there's a recruitment issue, though, isn't there? >> that's why they're doing it. they to put they don't want to put non—swimmers off from joining the navy. >> isn't m- >> also, isn't there this old thing used not >> also, isn't there this old thi taught used not >> also, isn't there this old thi taught how used not >> also, isn't there this old thi taught how to used not >> also, isn't there this old thi taught how to swim? not >> also, isn't there this old thi taught how to swim? so )t >> also, isn't there this old thi taught how to swim? so if be taught how to swim? so if they went overboard, it was game oven they went overboard, it was game over. quick, harsh. but have you heard think it's heard that? no. i think it's like. yes, in exactly the like. yes, back in exactly the peter pan, the walk the plank days, i would say that if you're in a successful navy, swimming won't be an issue anyway. >> it >> so yeah. so you know, it shouldn't be. it shouldn't be.

it shouldn't be a requirement should it? you know, i'd be there'd be questions up front for me. why would i, why would i need here. yeah. i'm need to swim here. yeah. i'm planning to get on that large metal thing stay not metal thing and stay on it, not everyone can the boat , can everyone can drive the boat, can they? not everyone can make the engine work, you know what i mean ? you know, the navy doesn't. >> they don't have swimmers. they don't people the they don't have people at the back pushing it. >> have a tugboat now? >> did you have a tugboat now? oh really? thought was dolphin. >> it does seem it's up there with, in the army with, like, people in the army who can't walk or run or. but then again, people the raf then again, people in the raf don't be able to fly don't have to be able to fly with arms. with their arms. >> not sun. okay >> it's not the sun. no. okay i mean, this is this just turned. it's the sun. mean, this is this just turned. it's yeah he sun. mean, this is this just turned. it's yeah .e sun. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> thank you. fact. right. so it's the same as saying it's not the same as saying people and people in the army need arms and legs boat does the legs because the boat does the swimming. it's not. it's called the army . the army. >> it's a lot of sense. >> are we on air anymore? it's. it's a recruitment thing, like you say. and the point of the story is to try and wind people up about spending taxpayers money, because what the navy are

saying is, don't worry if you can't swim, we'll teach you when you know, they'll you get in, you know, they'll give woggle and cressida's give you a woggle and cressida's dad be there. a woggle is dad will be there. a woggle is having you tie your chris having you tie around your chris looked i'd something looked as if i'd said something before looked as if i'd said something beforwas still thinking about >> i was still thinking about the boat. does the swimming. >> that's nice. good >> that's nice. a good point. >> that's nice. a good point. >> right. next free >> all right. next on free speech nation shouldj cole have speech nation should j cole have apologised his kendrick speech nation should j cole have apologdiss his kendrick speech nation should j cole have apologdiss track? kendrick speech nation should j cole have apologdiss track? that'sick speech nation should j cole have apologdiss track? that's right. lamar diss track? that's right. free speech nation getting down with the kids. yeah

welcome back to free speech nation. so j. cole, who is a rapper, says the felt terrible after releasing a song aimed at fellow rapper kendrick lamar and vowed to pull the track off streaming services . he said i streaming services. he said i ain't gonna lie to y'all. the past two days felt terrible, he told an audience at the

dreamville festival in north carolina. i damn near had a relapse, he said. now it's not quite israel—palestine , but it's quite israel—palestine, but it's pretty big news in the world of hip hop. so joining me now to discuss the ramifications is hip hop aficionado lin mei. thank you very much for joining us today. i you very much for joining us today.ii you very much for joining us today. i i don't know about that. >> i think, many fans of hip hop, especially this week, would massively disagree with me because they're all against my opinion on this. >> okay, so break it down. yeah >> okay, so break it down. yeah >> so quick overview, i studied hip hop music. i went to the brit school and initially and it's important people know this. initially hip hop was used as a political voice when a group of people could have an opinion people could not have an opinion , could not have the same voting rights, were constantly rights, they were constantly barraged with hatred and racism. so they used music and hip hop to themselves. fast to express themselves. fast forwards to now we like forwards to now we have like excuse the turn, but trash like cardi b, who is not representative in my opinion , of representative in my opinion, of what hip hop is supposed to be now it's worse has been said on this show . yeah yeah yeah. i'm

this show. yeah yeah yeah. i'm so disappointed with the way hip hop , not all so disappointed with the way hip hop, not all hip hop, but the way hip hop is going and how it conveys a group of people. but with cole, he is probably one with j. cole, he is probably one of the first who, because they were going through this rap battle where you really they go low terms of they'll diss low in terms of they'll diss your mom like they'll diss your family, they'll bring up horrendous things about you. and he against a guy called he was against a guy called kendnck he was against a guy called kendrick lamar who's a really good lyricist. these are two rappers that are fantastic poets and lyricists and it was his turn to turn around and essentially diss kendrick lamar. and he said, i'm not going to do it. going to do the good it. i'm going to do the good thing of what sits well with my soul, am not going to go soul, and i am not going to go against off camera, off against you off camera, off screen , you're like my brother screen, you're like my brother and loads hop artists and loads of hip hop artists were like, don't be a wuss. this is pathetic . we want to see. is pathetic. we want to see. it's similar to i would liken it, you know, when you see a boxing match and a good boxing match not good enough , you match is not good enough, you want to see the trash talk leading up to it, don't you? you

want see people almost want to see people almost getting fighting getting up and fighting when they and they shouldn't be. and that's essentially the same sort of like narrative come out like narrative that has come out of this hip hop battle. people want to see blood lyrically , so. want to see blood lyrically, so. >> and you've used that trash terms again now. you terms again twice now. you i know naughty, but is that is it then therefore not genuine? it's just the way that you sell and it's not even records these days that you keep the interest in your product, your streams is by having pretend fight. how many having a pretend fight. how many of fights real is what of these fights are real is what this problem because on this is the problem because on one even been one hand, it's even been discussed in parliament. >> on one hand, the police or the government really , the government have really, possibly taking possibly spoken about, taking away the free speech of drill rappers , trap rappers, the ones rappers, trap rappers, the ones that are really violent . whereas that are really violent. whereas a lot of people say this is just entertainment. but if you look at drill, which is like a subculture of hip hop, it's so damaging. we recently we have seen over 50 people drill rappers and not just ones that think they're drill rappers in

their bedrooms, ones that actually have a huge following either in prison for long stretches or dead. so this can't be seen as entertainment anymore. but if we go to people like j. cole and kendrick lamar, the argument will be said, well, they're never going to kill each other. they're conscious rappers, all, which is rappers, first of all, which is more style hip more the poetic style of hip hop.so more the poetic style of hip hop. so would not want hop. so why would you not want to see that from them? so to answer initial question, answer your initial question, some times these arguments do get nasty and men's ego really gets in the way of it. just, for example , a lot of people that example, a lot of people that used to get involved in football hoougans used to get involved in football hooligans , sometimes it would hooligans, sometimes it would just be a bit of a punch up after the pub, you'd hug it out and whatever, but sometimes it used to get really violent and nasty. and the same can be said for hip hop. >> well, you've turned up on a show about free speech, so that seems the interesting for seems the interesting angle for me, surely an me, though, that surely an argument made that argument could be made that regardless the regardless of whatever the lyrics are, regardless of whatever a song or whatever is said in a song or a piece of entertainment, the fault happens afterwards. if ever goes ever anything then goes from a piece a piece of entertainment to a criminal or you know

criminal court case or you know someone being injured isn't someone being injured isn't someone the blame. not someone else got the blame. not the the music. the not the music. >> no, because it's actually these artists. so a long time ago, i was working with young people in tottenham and there was back and forth with was this back and forth with rappers, rappers , and rappers, with dual rappers, and one of their egos got really bruised and they got a gun, got in a car, went to shoot one of the rappers and it hit a young girl and she's dead now. so this is the ramification, which can come about from some of these, you know, arguments or rap battles , but not when we're battles, but not when we're looking at j. cole and kendrick lamar. oftentimes the ones like drake, because right now drake's going off with one with like rick ross and some others i know that guy. yeah, those won't be damaging . that guy. yeah, those won't be damaging. but my that guy. yeah, those won't be damaging . but my argument that guy. yeah, those won't be damaging. but my argument is there's a lot of young people, especially , you know, that would especially, you know, that would look at that and they will take it. not just as entertainment. >> okay. >> okay. >> let's bring in the free speech panel here. paul drake. and we should be banning a type of i over boil down of music. if i over boil it down

to make it seem like a simple ho. 110. >> no. >> that was fascinating for me because i didn't believe it or not that, really. not know most of that, really. it blur and oasis it kind of brings blur and oasis into me , but no, into perspective for me, but no, i don't. i mean, i'm sorry to disagree with you, but because i'm a free speech advocate, i think all speech should be free. now, this is what you were getting at. it's about the responsibility of people. now, the for my the these are often for my understanding, young men as well, the brim with ego well, full to the brim with ego and bravado. and that that gives them a status. and if that status is damaged, they can overreact. it doesn't happen in any other form of art that i can think of. this is not happening in country. music is it? >> well, have you ever seen, the, amadeus film? yeah, those two got did they did they did get pretty tasty. >> let me. sorry to interject. let me pose a question, though. you're right. it doesn't happen in any other genre. however things like heavy metal or certain of rock music certain types of rock music started to promote a lot of suicidal lyrics, and manson was

definitely in trouble for that . definitely in trouble for that. and this is the problem. the difference is when it comes to a certain demographic of people, let's say it starts to affect middle class white people and their children where they're seeing suicides online. seeing more suicides online. then all of a sudden, okay, free speech is okay for that demographic , but this demographic, but this is affecting children. what affecting our children. so what would about suicide would you say about suicide promoting suicide to young people music ? people in rock music? >> that's a really good question. you should sit there. >> trash . he's. he's just on the >> trash. he's. he's just on the band. trash hs2. >> we're friends. actually, are we, morten morland. no, it's a great question, but i don't change my stance. and it's interesting you say that because as i was talking about it, i wasn't really thinking about the demographic. but i know exactly what you mean, because. because the are those the louder voices are those middle white people. middle class white people. and despite don't despite my look, i don't consider myself , despite my look, i don't consider myself, middle despite my look, i don't consider myself , middle class. consider myself, middle class. i'm definitely white, but i don't. don't look middle don't. you don't look middle class either. >> no, no, no. >> what is middle class look like? i don't steve the

questioner, but what questioner, not me, but what have i done? >> oh, i thought you. i thought you were saying. cressida. no, no, no middle class to me. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> but anyway, you pass the con. well, it's the same. >> it's the problem in both >> it's the same problem in both cases, who's doing the cases, isn't it? who's doing the regulating ? and it's each regulating? and surely it's each case merits , isn't it? case on its merits, isn't it? you don't just ban a genre now , you. >> i mean, it's not really what you're saying, though, is it? what you're saying is there. there is a duty of care. >> yeah, i'm just saying specifically with this discussion, i'm not necessarily banning. but why is there such a lot of hatred for a man who usually would have trash talked back to stand up and say, you know, this doesn't sit well with me, and i love this guy. well everyone wants to say, oh, you wimp. like, i just think it's so damaging where we it's good to have that alpha masculinity, but it's also good that if we if we look at, i think his name was cody fisher, the semi—professional footballer who

died in a club because someone stabbed him. now he was stabbed because he stepped on someone's trainers. this is the level of ego we're seeing from a lot of young men who don't have any output being able to channel output of being able to channel that , and a lot of it is that energy, and a lot of it is stemming from cultures like football , hip hop, these sorts football, hip hop, these sorts of things. so i'm just saying it's refreshing to see a man who could have easily wiped the floor with his lyrics, say, i don't have to, you know that is interesting, isn't it? >> because i almost i took this interview with the wrong direction. not about direction. it's not about pointing areas of pointing out the areas of concern. story is concern. actually, this story is saying, look, music and art can be you example of how be giving you an example of how to a slightly better. to live a slightly better. >> that's free speech saying, yeah, sorry, choose yeah, sorry, i'm sorry, i choose not fight back because i love not to fight back because i love you. >> it may look like a wimpy thing to do, but it's still free speech. you know what, i agree? >> i love you, paul. sorry about earlier. thank you very much for joining lynn. may so that's joining us. lynn. may so that's the hour. the first the end of the hour. the first on way on free speech on the way on free speech nation. anywhere nation. don't go anywhere because there's lots to because there's lots more to

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gb news. >> there's plenty more still to come on. free speech nation this week. but let's get the news. update first with aaron armstrong . armstrong. >> very good evening to you. i'm aaron armstrong . let's start in aaron armstrong. let's start in the middle east. israel will respond to iran's attack last night, but no final decisions have been made about how and when prime minister benjamin netanyahu has chaired a meeting of his war cabinet. the majority agree on the need for a response to iran's drone assault, but they're split on the scale and they're split on the scale and the timing of it. g7 leaders, including lord cameron, have condemned the attack. they said iran risks provoking an uncontrollable regional escalation, and they stand ready to take further measures. tehran has warned israel any retaliation , though, will be met retaliation, though, will be met with a stronger response .

with a stronger response. president biden has told israel the united states won't take part in retaliatory strikes against iran and white house spokesperson john kirby says israel must decide on the next step. >> we need to see what the war cabinet decides in terms of the whatever next step they want to pursue, and that's a sovereign decision, of course, that our israeli counterparts have to make . i would just say this, make. i would just say this, president biden, since the beginning this conflict, has beginning of this conflict, has worked to this worked very hard to keep this from broader regional war. >> rishi sunak earlier revealed raf planes based in cyprus took part in a number of counter drone strikes overnight. he says had iran been successful, drone strikes overnight. he says had iran been successful , the had iran been successful, the fallout for regional stability would be hard to overstate and he's called for calm heads to prevail. shadow foreign secretary david lammy is urging the government to issue sanctions against iran's revolutionary guard. >> highlights , once again, >> this highlights, once again, the extreme danger of the irgc and the iranian guard. we have said that we think that it

should be prescribed, and it is for the government to come forward with new plans to prescribe them and to deal with this issue of state actors that would behave in this appalling way, that wreaks terror on a wider community. >> more than 120,000 people have crossed the english channel by small boats since 2018. 219 arrivals were recorded by the home office yesterday. the total for this year is now 17% higher than the same period last year. labour shadow immigration minister stephen kinnock has called it another grim milestone. he says britain must strengthen its border security . strengthen its border security. a cabinet minister has insisted the government's rwanda plan is on track, with flights due to take off within weeks . health take off within weeks. health secretary victoria atkins says the home office is, quote, ready to go. despite the trouble bill still making its way through parliament. no airline has been named to transport the asylum seekers after rwanda's state owned carrier turned down a

request. the prime minister has repeatedly said the flights would take off by spring, although no date has been set, and the new poll suggests humza yousafs popularity has fallen sharply amongst snp voters. a survey of more than 1000 people in scotland found the first minister's score fell to minus 7. his approval with the general pubuc 7. his approval with the general public also dropped. it comes after the introduction of a new hate crime law that's prompted more than 7000 complaints in its first week. well, for the latest on our stories, you can sign up to our alerts, scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts. that's it for the moment. now back to free speech nation. >> welcome back to free speech nation. let's get some more questions from this beautifully formed audience. our first

question in this section is from barbara . barbara. >> should we use our tea bags more than once ? more than once? >> should we use our tea bags more than once? well, apparently skint tea drinkers are hanging their bags out to dry and later reuse them to save cash. according to a survey. other things in the survey as well. apparently swiping ketchup sachets from restaurants. so i'm not totally against all of this . not totally against all of this. cressida. your thoughts? >> well, i already shop at lidl, so it's not necessary. >> what? dip low? yeah. no there's nothing wrong with lidl. >> steve, i don't know, it's a bit sad, isn't it? it's not very uplifting. but times are hard. bit sad, isn't it? it's not very upltimes but times are hard. bit sad, isn't it? it's not very upltimes are times are hard. bit sad, isn't it? it's not very upltimes are times that1ard. bit sad, isn't it? it's not very upltimes are times that hard >> times are times that hard that you need to save the 1.6 pence per bag. >> you have worked it out. then steve. oh, of course i have. >> i like numbers more than i like people. which is the right team? are more numbers. team? there are more numbers. >> do? yeah. think the >> you do? yeah. no, i think the point remind us all point is to remind us all that there's of living crisis, there's a cost of living crisis, isn't it's not that. are you isn't it? it's not that. are you reusing you're but reusing teabags? you're not. but well done. well no, it's well done. well done. no, it's not me. yeah. not for me. yeah. >> other way to it would

>> the other way to do it would be drink that cup of tea be to not drink that cup of tea and stop embarrassing yourself in neighbours in front of your neighbours in the no pants, in front of your neighbours in the teabags. no pants, in front of your neighbours in the teabags. what no pants, in front of your neighbours in the teabags. what are 10 pants, in front of your neighbours in the teabags. what are you ants, in front of your neighbours in the teabags. what are you even just teabags. what are you even wearing over your bits? >> well, perhaps are >> well, perhaps they are wearing over their bit. wearing tea bags over their bit. steve, a really, a loose leaf. >> the very least . lapsang souchong. >> it's been said that it's fun to be frugal, and i guess. do you know what? i was having this conversation just this week with my friend claire, and she. you met claire last night. you know, she's and she and we she's mad, and she she and we she's mad, and she she and we she tried it today. she was making a cup of tea, and she put the. she used the bag twice. and the. she used the bag twice. and the second bag made a very bad cup tea. cup of tea. >> now, one argument >> exactly. now, one argument against i can't believe against that, i can't believe i even know this is you use more than bag than one second phase bag because bag, one because the first one bag, one cup of tea, second time you make one a bunch of you together, you don't have quite the same savings as 1.6 pence. >> what's science , steve? >> what's the science, steve? >> what's the science, steve? >> that's the best flavour >> yeah, that's the best flavour and colour and the best colour and everything comes out in that first minutes. course it first few minutes. of course it does. do you even stew for? chnsfine? mm- for? christine? not a big tea

>> christine? i'm not a big tea drinker. i'm of drinker. i mean, i'm more of a coffee person. not long. just poke it with a spoon. i'm quite aggressive make tea. aggressive when i make tea. >> it's like the >> right. and it's like the kamasutra. is a natural image that will last any other money saving tips that you live by? >> just recovering from saying the first thing that comes to mind? yeah, into my head. always a risk. money saving tips. no, ho. 110. >> no. >> no, i'm a big fan of this nick in sachets, though. >> oh, that's a good actually, yes. steal a great theft. if you steal. if you steal, you haven't got steal. if you steal, you haven't 9°t pay steal. if you steal, you haven't got pay for it. got to pay for it. >> amazing. >> it's amazing. >> it's amazing. >> that true. but you know >> that is true. but you know what i mean. if you're eating a whatever there's a couple of. >> but you already have to be in a to be stealing the a restaurant to be stealing the sachets, at home and sachets, just stay at home and make sachets, just stay at home and ma you just wander in. >> you just wander in. >> you just wander in. >> who i am? >> don't you know who i am? >> don't you know who i am? >> you don't. good. >> you don't. good. >> and that's the point, nick. and they can identify you, and if they can identify you, our is from kelvin. >> 5“ ma @- easier? >> it's the most passionate i've ever seen. you be so. should scrabble be made easier? controversial changes made to

make scrabble easier for generation z of been light—heartedly compared to potty training. generation z probably need to do some of that as well. by the looks of it. have you have you heard the new rules? >> no, i haven't heard the new rules. >> actually, i did read the article, but i mean, the idea is that change anyway, don't that words change anyway, don't they? yes. they? so yes. >> i don't know where you're going with this. >> i don't know where you're goiiyou�*ith this. >> i don't know where you're goiiyou nodded. didn't you just >> you nodded. didn't you just say so far, paul, say i'm with you so far, paul, but heard all the cake but i've heard all the cake stuff, and i'm a bit worried about where you're going, but it's. don't it's. you know, i don't have a problem with changing. if it problem with it changing. if it gets more people, more people involved game, people involved in the game, people aren't just aren't stupid or they're just words stupid. aren't stupid or they're just word thinkstupid. aren't stupid or they're just word think they!. aren't stupid or they're just word think they might be okay. >> i think they might be okay. >> i think they might be okay. >> are stupid >> basically, people are stupid too, steve. >> are stupid. >> people are stupid. are paul cox are , yes. cox are, yes. >> a wise man once said, let the boat the swimming . boat do the swimming. >> does provoke my inner >> if it does provoke my inner peter hitchens, this thing, i think i'll leave it alone. it's the beginning of the end, isn't it? why does it have to get. i mean, it's just a bit. it? why does it have to get. i me peters just a bit. it? why does it have to get. i me peter hitchens it. it? why does it have to get. i me peter hitchens said that, >> peter hitchens said that, central heating was. >> he did. >> he did. >> we talked about this last

night . night. >> that's probably where i got it i quote it a lot. it from. i quote it a lot. >> it's what said because >> it's what he said because everybody. i think it's >> it's what he said because eybit'body. i think it's >> it's what he said because eybit softy. i think it's >> it's what he said because eybit soft and i think it's >> it's what he said because eybit soft and silly. i think it's >> it's what he said because eybit soft and silly. wasn't it's a bit soft and silly. wasn't there always child's version there always a child's version of anyway so if you of scrabble? anyway so if you can't quite make it to grown up scrabble, just have the fisher—price version. >> scrabble should be exclusionary. >> well, at the risk of, trying to you on that one, to push you back on that one, i think you've fallen for the headunes think you've fallen for the headlines word woke headlines that use the word woke in no good reason . so in this for no good reason. so if buy scrabble, you still if you buy scrabble, you still get normal get scrabble. it's normal scrabble. one's changed get scrabble. it's normal scrabble. butone's changed get scrabble. it's normal scrabble. but on 's changed get scrabble. it's normal scrabble. but on the 1anged get scrabble. it's normal scrabble. but on the back d the scrabble. but on the back of the board, there's different board, there's a different board. of just board. instead of it just being blank there's new blank space where there's a new version that's just a bit easier and you can do a little chat. word challenges, was word challenges, but that was written daily being written in the daily mail being like woke . they've taken out all like woke. they've taken out all the words that like. we can't the words that we like. we can't even them that anymore. the words that we like. we can't eve no, them that anymore. the words that we like. we can't eve no, didn't that anymore. the words that we like. we can't eve no, didn't that ethey'da. >> no, i didn't think they'd taken out naughty words, although to be honest. >> i just assumed everyone had taken all the naughty words out of thought they'd taken all the naughty words out of made thought they'd taken all the naughty words out of made it thought they'd taken all the naughty words out of made it easier. jght they'd just made it easier. >> no, i can't stand >> well, no, i can't stand either so there go. either version. so there we go. i like numbers, letters. i like numbers, not letters. come next question has come on. our next question has been in from jem. and, been emailed in from jem. and,

so look, we've got it says, should posh people be allowed on tv ? i'm not a posh before people tv? i'm not a posh before people emailing in to complain already. i'm from mansfield. you can't be posh if that's what you're from. this would be because of an interview that it was. newsreader, former newsreader jan leeming said that she no longer gets work because of her received pronunciation. the broadcaster that she broadcaster joked that she doesn't boxes on doesn't tick modern boxes on account of her voice, and that the english language was being mangled . oh, let's go to cresta mangled. oh, let's go to cresta on this one. >> you strike me as a person who not being funny. >> i think should >> steve, i think i should answer in proper native answer this in my proper native accent because, okay, that's right. grew my, right. where i grew up, my, i don't jan. come don't know, jan. come on. i think it reminds me of when comics say, oh, i can't get work because they're not hiring , blah because they're not hiring, blah blah characteristic. it's blah blah characteristic. it's like, check like, maybe you should check your first. i know, your act first. i don't know, it's it seems strange it's just it seems a strange thing. i we've got the thing. i mean, we've got the lovely jacob rees—mogg on this channel he's very posh, lovely jacob rees—mogg on this chan he he's very posh, lovely jacob rees—mogg on this chan he ? he's very posh, lovely jacob rees—mogg on this chan he ? i he's very posh, lovely jacob rees—mogg on this chan he ? i don't very posh, lovely jacob rees—mogg on this chan he ? i don't thinkposh, lovely jacob rees—mogg on this chan he ? i don't think they're isn't he? i don't think they're excluded television ,

yeah. >> i mean, although technically i think i should say not a newsreader. i'd better do. >> oh, is that what she said? good point. >> joke. yeah. in—joke. but there we go. i'll get an email about that later. >> i mean, i'm glad posh people aren't on tv because, i'm here and i wouldn't if this was 1964. yeah, well . yeah, well. >> oh, we'd be all you have to wear the proper suits. >> this wouldn't this wouldn't work, would it, no. it's just, i mean, this is the thing about discrimination. works discrimination. it works both ways, doesn't you're ways, doesn't it? so if you're if trying, if you're if you're trying, if you're trying introduce, people that trying to introduce, people that weren't necessarily on television, very television, you by that very nature, excluding people nature, excluding the people that , so i it's always that were so, so i it's always good particularly it was always nice, wasn't it, to hear a sort of bbc accent. it reassured you, didn't it? >> i don't know, i had the same thing though. so growing up, growing up in mansfield, i thought, i'll never get to work in the media if i sound like that. so i the accent just that. so i lost the accent just at time when the media was at the time when the media was saying we authentic

saying no, we want authentic regional saying no, we want authentic reg canl saying no, we want authentic reg can you on for us now? >> can you put it on for us now? >> can you put it on for us now? >> does it oh, it's done >> how does it oh, it's done cold. i'm going on. nice. thank >> how does it oh, it's done cold.and going on. nice. thank >> how does it oh, it's done cold.and bying on. nice. thank >> how does it oh, it's done cold.and bying way, ice. thank you, and by the way, anyone listening mansfield, not listening in mansfield, it's not that they would that cold because they would have they would have been worried. they would have been worried. they would have none you have have gone on, none of you have any talking about? any idea what i'm talking about? >> no, i do absolutely not. >> no, i do absolutely not. >> i wait watch this >> i can't wait to watch this back and see what the subtitle has that. steve has tried to do with that. steve made made northern noises. >> that's all i'll say. >> that's all i'll say. >> i like the fact you get >> so i like the fact you get a better representation of. >> i'm not against >> yeah, i mean, i'm not against that. of course it is. to that. of course it is. good to see, more people like me and cressida why don't cressida represented. why don't you sound like you should any more, then? >> that's a good question. i think it's mixed parentage . i've think it's mixed parentage. i've got dad london got a northern dad and a london mum, around a lot, mum, and we moved around a lot, but, well, i feel like i was putting it on if spoke putting it on if i spoke like that, i heard at that, but that's what i heard at school so on. yeah. school and so on. yeah. >> speak like that at school? >> like what? >> like what? >> like. this. >> like. like this. >> like. like this. >> like. like this. >> like this. >> like this. >> i think. >> i think. >> i think so i've got vague memories of sort of trying it out because wasn't. but no, out because i wasn't. but no, like around like i said, we moved around a lot, but, what was question lot, but, what was the question when robber? when your dad's a bank robber? >> aren't you are a fighter.

>> aren't you are a fighter. >> didn't say he was. >> she didn't say he was. northern. final question is northern. are final question is from have got from roger. what have you got for us? roger? >> should harold press >> should harold wilson's press secretary have kept schtum? >> harold press >> should harold wilson's press secretary so, joe haines, interesting. so, joe haines, a former press officer and confidant to the labour prime minister, decided that the secret that wilson had an affair needs to come out now before he dies. no one gets to pass it on. i mean, paul, this breaks the rule, isn't it? the one rule amongst men that if you have an affair with another man, you don't it the with the don't mention it the with the woman the woman. well, you woman with the woman. well, you don't affairs anyway. so don't mention affairs anyway. so i'm talk about your i'm not going to talk about your affair tonight. >> can't. >> no we can't. >> aren't any at this >> there aren't any at this point. i was really hoping there was could discuss them, was so we could discuss them, but any . but now. was so we could discuss them, bmean, any . but now. was so we could discuss them, bmean, of any . but now. was so we could discuss them, bmean, of course any . but now. was so we could discuss them, bmean, of course you. but now. was so we could discuss them, bmean, of course you don't.iow. was so we could discuss them, bmean, of course you don't. why i mean, of course you don't. why would you? what's point would you? what what's the point now? dead now? at harold wilson, long dead . this person, i assume close to it. unless that's. >> yeah, that's the motivation for saying now he was saying he wants it to be on the official record so that the actual analysis that period of analysis of that period of leadership full details leadership has the full details in because there are accusations

that he was, a bit sly, but they got the wrong one. they thought he was having affair with he was having an affair with someone yeah someone else. yeah >> maybe no, i mean, >> so maybe i mean, no, i mean, it's although another revelation coming way. it's two people coming my way. it's two people involved in that affair, so, they own the story as much as they own the story as much as the other person. so it's up to them, really. and that person's dead. so it's posthumous? well, ho. 110. >> no. >> both of the two people in the affair are dead. and it was the press secretary who decided. >> yes, course. so >> of course. yes, of course. so go on. >> i was going to say this. the one this harold one positive of this harold wilson had an affair story is that, men with pipes still get some. what away. some. that's what i took away. >> i don't think i've >> you know, i don't think i've seen single pipe a dating seen a single pipe on a dating app seen a single pipe on a dating app ever. steve that's a there you usp, yeah, i don't you go. new usp, yeah, i don't know. sort of sounds bit know. it sort of sounds a bit trashy, doesn't and my first trashy, doesn't it? and my first thought selling thought was, oh, they're selling their this their story. but if this person's death's then person's at death's door, then no, probably not. perhaps they genuinely calling genuinely feel a calling to set the before it's genuinely feel a calling to set the late. before it's too late. >> has changed how you think >> has it changed how you think about harold wilson? >> remotely. all >> not remotely. i assume. all sorts things went on in the sorts of things went on in the dark old days before whatsapp

and leaking and all of that sort of i'm surprised of stuff. i'm not surprised at all. >> has it changed your >> and yeah. has it changed your mind of you think, prime mind of what you think, prime ministers? we all all ministers? look, we all we all have prime have a top ten of prime ministers think had ministers we think had an affair. we know affair. yeah. and we all know who the that. who at the top of that. >> and we all but boris had all the affairs. >> i didn't say his name. >> i didn't say his name. >> allegedly. >> allegedly. >> our colleague here, there's no it. is there? no alleged about it. is there? and mind. i'm sure he and he doesn't mind. i'm sure he doesn't wears it like a badge. >> well, that's the thing, isn't it, john major? >> minded that was >> that minded because that was a everyone, wasn't it? >> we all lived through the 90s thinking was boring, thinking like he was boring, and then what he got up then you find out what he got up to. sorts shenanigans. to. all sorts of shenanigans. >> and, legs weren't , >> yeah. and, his legs weren't, salmonella by the end of it salmonella free by the end of it , of the phrase were a free of something. steve. >> moving on. >> moving on. >> i suppose statistically, the least likely to have an affair would have been liz truss. just because the amount time. because the amount of time. >> yeah, days. because the amount of time. >> you1, days. because the amount of time. >> you wouldn't;. because the amount of time. >> you wouldn't be able to pencil it in. imagine that. >> if she had done be. >> if she had done that'd be. that'd brilliant tag to the that'd be a brilliant tag to the quiz wouldn't quiz question, wouldn't it? >> read the book yet, >> i've not read the book yet, but i'm sure in there but i'm sure it's in there somewhere. on then. somewhere. let's crack on then.

moving on free speech moving on next on free speech nation, the free speech union has new members joined has over 1000 new members joined from scotland since the hate bill so bill crime was introduced. so they're speech they're setting up a free speech hotline . are going to hotline. who are you going to call?

welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation . so, the free speech nation. so, the free speech union is launching a hotline for anyone arrested or contacted by the police. under scotland's hate crime law. the group, which campaigns for freedom of speech, said it's attracted 1000 new scottish members in recent weeks as the row over the new law intensifies. i'm pleased to say i'm joined now by stephen o'grady from the free speech union . stephen, thank you very union. stephen, thank you very much for joining union. stephen, thank you very much forjoining us. thanks for much for joining us. thanks for having me on. >> and congratulations the >> and congratulations on the new >> and congratulations on the nevi suppose . but the reason >> i suppose. but the reason that you've got these new members slightly worrying , it is members slightly worrying, it is it's very concerning. >> and clearly people are coming to us because they're uncertain

of where they stand. they're uncertain consequences of uncertain of the consequences of this and how it may this new law and how it may affect and we've had a lot affect them. and we've had a lot of questions from people as well, asking meant well, asking how they're meant to govern own behaviour in to govern their own behaviour in light changes and so on. light of the changes and so on. >> so i suppose before, when we were covering this, it were covering this, before it actually on april, the actually came in on april, the first, there lot talk first, there were a lot of talk about how everything be about how everything would be investigated would investigated and comedians would be you can some investigated and comedians would be might you can some investigated and comedians would be might trigger you can some investigated and comedians would be might trigger things.�*| some lyric might trigger things. that's the world live in that's not the world we live in right though, is it? right now, though, is it? >> and it seems curious, >> no. and it seems curious, police to be police scotland seems to be departing from their own guidance on this that, up until the 1st of april, had their the 1st of april, they had their long hate crime long standing hate crime national guidance in which they said anything should be said that anything should be investigated based purely on the perception of a complainant if they perceive malice or ill will behind something that somebody has said. they said that they will record it and they will investigate we hear that investigate it. we now hear that humza been complained humza yousaf has been complained about times, about thousands of times, so much they they have a much so that they they have a script for their call centre workers, the police scotland, where they're specifically told

workers, the police scotland, whe|there('re specifically told workers, the police scotland, whe|there is; specifically told workers, the police scotland, whe|there is no recifically told workers, the police scotland, whe|there is no illifically told workers, the police scotland, whe|there is no illificalortold that there is no ill will or malice behind things that humza yousaf has been saying, so they can complaints off. can switch the complaints off. so consistency the so there's no consistency in the way which approaching way in which they're approaching it and it's all they are it and it's all what they are delivering very different to delivering is very different to what they've promised. >> so the problem with that then, you've got a law that then, is you've got a law that it's very difficult to understand what it so as understand what it is. so as a citizen, a abiding citizen, as a law abiding citizen, as a law abiding citizen, you out citizen, how do you work out whether you're about to break that or not? that law or not? >> well, incredibly >> well, it's incredibly difficult people this difficult for people to do this and also, given the and a lot of it. also, given the impact of perception based reporting, the test in the law is what a reasonable person would consider. and i think most of us would consider ourselves reasonable. the question is the reasonable. the question is the reasonable person making the decision? could police decision? there could be police scotland determining whether to make an arrest. ultimately, it would be a jury. 15 in scotland, people picked random from the people picked at random from the electoral and have some electoral register and have some confidence that, presented with electoral register and have some c(setjence that, presented with electoral register and have some c( set of|ce that, presented with electoral register and have some c( set of facts, it, presented with electoral register and have some c( set of facts, a presented with electoral register and have some c( set of facts, a jury;ented with electoral register and have some c( set of facts, a jury would with a set of facts, a jury would likely the right decision. likely reach the right decision. but then, there's an but until then, there's an entire process that people would have to go through. the police make a decision to arrest them.

they then, they've they could. then, if they've said online on, they said something online on, they have their searched have their their house searched because power under because this is a power under the law, they can seize electronic devices. so they come out drives and out with hard drives and evidence the neighbours evidence bags for the neighbours to conclusions that to see all the conclusions that people could draw from that sort of thing. if they're a journalist or an activist, their laptop that's been seized like that, it's tool of the trade. that, it's a tool of the trade. it stops them from being able to continue what doing. continue what they're doing. they able to replace they may not be able to replace it the police hold to it while the police hold on to it while the police hold on to it for months and months, and overall, becomes overall, the process becomes the punishment then as so it's punishment then as well. so it's not about the effect of the not just about the effect of the law. is seen to law. if a prosecution is seen to fruition, also, we go fruition, it's also, as we go through and eventually people will inhibiting their will start just inhibiting their own because they're own behaviour because they're unsure of what they're allowed to unsure they can to say, unsure of what they can do. and simple solution is do. and the simple solution is just to keep quiet. >> i love the fact that >> yeah, i love the fact that you say we're you say we think we're reasonable, unreasonable reasonable, so to unreasonable people, that's problem, people, that's the problem, isn't scotland's hate isn't it? so scotland's hate crime apparently already crime law apparently already affecting academic freedom. and to i'm joined now to discuss this, i'm joined now by romina fromer, who's written about this in the spectator.

thank you very much for joining us. so what's your take how us. so what's your take on how it's impacting freedoms ? >> thank you for having me. i think it's really causing everyone to self—censor at this point . it's not everyone to self—censor at this point. it's not just, everyone to self—censor at this point . it's not just, because point. it's not just, because it's not clear and we don't know what we can say. we don't know what we can say. we don't know what we can say. we don't know what we can't say. so, it's a law that encourages self—censorship . self—censorship. >> yeah. and what kind of, examples of this have you have you noticed, you know, anyone in academia who's reporting this , academia who's reporting this, yes. like in the corners. we've been talking to each other, and, ihave been talking to each other, and, i have colleagues who also have raised concern about this. it's, you know, it's something that people are afraid of expressing out loud and, yeah, it's, i think that's the reason i wrote about it, because, we shouldn't

be afraid of what we are about to say, especially when it's in academia. we have to be able to freely express what we are thinking, and then that's how we learn. >> yeah. i mean, it sounds like you're describing a situation where you'll never be able to attack from both sides an argument with full academic figoun argument with full academic rigour, at one of rigour, because at least one of those sides will be seen those two sides will be seen as problematic . problematic. >> yes. and, you know, we do presentations , signs, there are, presentations, signs, there are, you know, in any classroom, i'm sure there are discussions and even the lecture when wants to present different points of views. i mean, how is this possible? anybody would be there's a possibility that for anyone to be insulted and, offended. so what? all of us are going to be reported. >> we spoke with steven about the issue of clarity. the problem is it's such an ambiguous law that it's very difficult to know if you're breaking it. would that help you if there was any way of actually knowing where defining line

knowing where a defining line would knowing where a defining line wotwell, i'm personally against >> well, i'm personally against regulating speech, but, okay, if they want to give us some sort of direction and, on how to write and express ourselves, i mean, it is still a violation of free speech. you know, it's yeah, it's very it's difficult to work with, especially in academia. you should you should have they'd have to be have to know how to do it to an academic level as well. >> which would be interesting. stephen, on stephen, what's your thoughts on this? i mean, have you had anyone you from academia? >> we've some members academia? >> we'concernsyme members academia? >> we'concerns me me in bers raising concerns about, in particular, the so—called third party centres party reporting centres that they've up in scotland. they've set up in scotland. these are, what are colloquially termed snitching stations, where people can come in with their their concerns about free speech. and we may have heard of the one in the in the glasgow sex shop. and there's one on a mushroom farm in the borders, but more concerningly. there are some of these snitching stations at universities. so at scottish universities. so that means that people at these

universities will know that there is an office down the corridor where if somebody takes exception to something they've said, they can go in there and dob them and will then dob them in and they will then be to the police be subjected to the police investigation process, which as we know, police scotland have said investigate every said they will investigate every complaint. so that must have an incredible effect on incredible chilling effect on speech in universities like that. and, and also , gets rid of that. and, and also, gets rid of the excuse of why you need to go to the sex shop because otherwise you'd have to nip down there report it. there to report it. >> there's already one on >> but there's already one on campus. ruined campus. exactly ruined your weekend, suppose, weekend, i suppose, so this hotline set how hotline that you've set up, how is working? is that working? >> have arrangement >> well, we have an arrangement in place with levon mcrae, who are leading scottish criminal are a leading scottish criminal law firm. and this is designed so that people who do find themselves in difficulty with themselves in difficulty with the police . and that could be the police. and that could be either an arrest or it could be which is more common in these sorts cases, and invitation sorts of cases, and invitation to an interview under caution down at the station. they're able to call this hotline. we'll consider the case, assess that it is a legitimate free speech

issue. that's that's in play here. and then the lawyers will will represent them . will represent them. >> so is there something that someone could say, something thatis someone could say, something that is truly offensive, that you then wouldn't represent ? you then wouldn't represent? >> we do as an organisation. we have a statement of values basically, that we will defend people for , exercising their people for, exercising their rights of free speech within the confines of the law that we're not going to the there's that. >> the problem is your motto right there within the confines of the law, gets scuppered by the fact there's now a law that says, you can't even say that. >> well, we're we're operating along two prongs on, on that particular first of all, particular one. first of all, it's contention that if the it's our contention that if the law properly enforced, that law were properly enforced, that we be able to provide we would be able to provide a robust defence to people, for example, gender critical feminists people feminists or or people expressing legitimate political views what views on things, what we're what we're talking about here is fascists advocating for genocide or something like that would would fall beyond the sort of thing that we would be be willing to represent. but at the

same time the law as it same time that is the law as it is. there's another sort of prong to the attack here, which is lobby to have the law is that we lobby to have the law changed where it it doesn't make sense. in cases this, sense. and in cases like this, we've fought against the, the, the act scotland. the hate crime act in scotland. and there are other and there there are other similar england and similar things in england and wales the, the uk wide that wales and the, the uk wide that we campaign against. >> romina, ask you >> and romina, can i ask you about from point view about the from the point of view of this helpline of academia, this a helpline that hotline that that you could a hotline that you could call, would that help or do you think be or do you think there'd be a stigma associated even stigma associated with even making call , i stigma associated with even making call, i think it's making the call, i think it's very helpful . i think it's very very helpful. i think it's very helpful because i'm sure that , helpful because i'm sure that, people, you know, will be reported . and i mean, in this reported. and i mean, in this climate victim who is encouraged, right? everybody wants to be a victim. so especially in academia. and so, yes, i think it's very helpful . yes, i think it's very helpful. and, when academics are reported, they can use this service. >> okay. thank you for that .

>> okay. thank you for that. romina. froa, it does make me think i never want to be the one to fall down the slippery slope of saying , oh, you can't do of saying, oh, you can't do anything these days. it's so tempting to do that. but when policy comes after academia, that's isn't it? that's worrying. isn't it? because that's where a lot of important free thought actually happens. is incredibly concerning. >> of course, it's probably fair to observe as well that a lot of the thinking which underpins the sort of thing originated in academia first place. academia in the first place. unfortunately with post—modernism and the culture of grievances, microaggressions, all of that. it's based on cod scholarship that has now become a wide, widely accepted part of political thinking, if not broader social thinking . so it broader social thinking. so it originated there. but yes, it is. it is unfortunate because we rely on our universities as the institutions of knowledge. it's where knowledge is passed on. it's where it's manufactured, whether where it's furthered. and take place and that simply can't take place outside of an atmosphere of free inquiry. >> i'm surprised we've got this far , because it always seems

far, because it always seems that fundamentally, the idea of judging something based on how the of feels can be the recipient of it feels can be unplayable. it's an infinite number of emotions that someone could . anyone could be could have. anyone could be offended anything. offended by anything. i could pretend to the pretend to take offence to the next sentence. you say so. surely that's no way to judge things no. it does seem things? no. and yet it does seem to be going further than i thought it would. well, it is. >> it's the sort idea of it's >> it's the sort of idea of it's solipsism writ large, really, with who think that with people who think that their, perception , their, their own perception, their, their own perception, their about the their own thoughts about the world reality world equate to reality necessarily . and it is it's wide necessarily. and it is it's wide open to abuse. we saw a case this weekend of an old age pensioner in scotland who was arrested , and this isn't under arrested, and this isn't under the new hate speech law. this is under existing laws, it was in the context a long standing, the context of a long standing, acrimonious neighbour dispute. but the neighbour knew that by ringing the police and saying that this person had said something hateful about her and it , what she said is it was, what she said is disputed, that this person would then be visited by the police and subject to the process. there so it's wide open to

abuse, whether it be something malicious, like that or i have no doubt that there will be some people who sincerely feel hurt and you disagree and they do. if you disagree with them, they will take it not just as a normal disagreement, they will take it as a personal affront and a threat to their existence. but they will then use that even insincerity and turn it against you. and you can be subject to these sorts of things. it's a very unfortunate place to be. i'm sure you will get many of them as well. >> if i were you, i'd get to know some good lawyers. oh, you already good news. know some good lawyers. oh, you already very good news. know some good lawyers. oh, you already very much good news. know some good lawyers. oh, you already very much foriood news. know some good lawyers. oh, you already very much for joining vs. know some good lawyers. oh, you already very much forjoining us, thanks very much for joining us, steven. you for having me. >> thank you for having me. thank you. >> w- >> so, next on free speech nafion >> so, next on free speech nation , peter higgs, the nation, peter higgs, the theoretical physicist whose name was attached to the higgs boson, has died. we'll be looking at his life his contribution to his life and his contribution to the of science

next. welcome back to free speech nation. so, peter higgs, the theoretical physicist whose name was attached to the higgs boson, also as the god particle, also known as the god particle, has died. i'm pleased to say that are joined now by that we are joined now by theoretical physicist and cosmologist m krauss to cosmologist lawrence m krauss to discuss peter higgs contribution to the world of science . thank to the world of science. thank you very much for joining us, can you explain to the layperson what a higgs ? what is a higgs? >> okay. i'll try in a few words. basically the mechanism that he discovered one weekend after a failed camping trip in scotland , and he wrote a one scotland, and he wrote a one page paper about that was rejected, by the way, from the physics journal the first time it was written, is that that there's a there's a particle and a quantum field associated with that particle which can exist throughout all of space and change the properties of other particles that go through space, in particular the all the particles that make you and i up can get our mass because they go

they push through this field at some fundamental level. they're massless. but just like when you have a car and you push it off the roadway , it's easy to push the roadway, it's easy to push it off the roadway until you get to the mud and we get to the mud. it feels a lot heavier and harder to push. the higgs field is that's throughout all is a field that's throughout all of space, which, which exists. and certain particles interact with it more strongly and become heavier , and certain particles heavier, and certain particles interact with it less strongly and less heavy. now, in and get less heavy. now, in quantum physics, for every field there's a particle associated with it. so the idea was, if higgs is a higgs mechanism, we call it the higgs mechanism was correct. we should be able to find a particle which we now call the higgs particle. and unfortunately, the mechanism is so generic that it didn't really predict the mass of this particle. and for years and years and years and i mean almost 40 years, people were looking for the higgs particle. and finally , 2012, cern in and finally, in 2012, at cern in geneva , finally the particle was

geneva, finally the particle was there and validated this. it's become a central part of what's called the standard model of particle physics. and i can explain that if you want, in another few minutes . another few minutes. >> but i say if you want to get into the standard model, i think we need to make people pay tuition fees, you can't be learning for free. learning all of this for free. come on. >> it's inventions. >> that's right. it's not one of the discoveries. >> that's right. it's not one of the rather, tries. >> that's right. it's not one of the rather, that's life. >> rather, that's changed life. we talked for some we all talked about it for some reason. in the news, reason. it was in the news, wasn't it was one those wasn't it? it was one of those sciencey stories that got front page coverage, then page coverage, whereas then we've heard a lot we've not really heard a lot about since. about it ever since. >> you know, the >> well, you know, the interesting thing it's one of interesting thing is it's one of those discoveries which is those great discoveries which is at kind of at the same time kind of disappointing what you disappointing because what you really hope for is to be surprised. and, and the higgs had proposed a mechanism which could explain a lot of what we say is the standard model of particle physics. and in some sense, it people like me had hopedit sense, it people like me had hoped it was wrong because it would something would mean there'd be something more to discover. and there still discover . but still is more to discover. but having the higgs, it having discovered the higgs, it doesn't any real

doesn't give us any real direction on what to look for next. and where to go. and one is keep hoping at cern to find something else that'll tell us, because the higgs mechanism beautiful. but the real question is why is it happened? why does a higgs particle exist at the mass? it does. why does it exist at the scale? it does, which sets the scale of what's called the weak interaction in physics, which determines radioactivity inside of atoms. there's nothing that tells why that happens , that tells us why that happens, where it happens, except that you it to have happen you needed it to have happen because of what we observe in nature. but so we're really looking for the next step, the deeper step that says, why is that mechanism happening? we that mechanism happening? and we really so far at really don't have any. so far at cern or anywhere else, any direct, empirical evidence that points us in that direction. so when that happens, you get theorists sort of like sensory deprivation. they're they begin to hallucinate. and you see lots and lots of papers proposing this or that or something else all the way up to string theory. and, really seems to be all they

ever do is propose a paper that the only way you'll discover the next particle is a bigger collider. >> oh, i wonder why they're doing that. they're after the funding, they? funding, aren't they? >> no. you know, look, >> no, no, no. you know, look, unfortunately, is one of unfortunately, this is one of those questions where on the whole, really have other whole, you really have no other choice big choice but to build a big collider. but to say, having said people with the said that, people with the failure colliders to find failure of big colliders to find anything new, there's another way physics to try and look way in physics to try and look for these kind of exotic events, and that's to look at tabletop experiments, but affects that are rare because the are very, very rare because the effects that happen at very high energy in physics also trickle down to our scale by producing extremely small corrections to phenomena like the levels of atoms or something else. so people are looking at those kind of experiments to try and find some disagreement with what with our standard model to look for what's next. >> before let you go, >> okay, before i let you go, i just want to check because it was it was known in the newspapers as the god particle. peter didn't really like newspapers as the god particle. peter althoughin't really like

newspapers as the god particle. peteralthough he really like newspapers as the god particle. peteralthough he mayly like newspapers as the god particle. peteralthough he mayly liright that, although he may be right now, maybe now, he's finding out that maybe it called that. now, he's finding out that maybe it no, called that. now, he's finding out that maybe it no, i called that. now, he's finding out that maybe it no, i don't called that. now, he's finding out that maybe it no, i don't thinkcalled that. now, he's finding out that maybe it no, i don't think he'sd that. >> no, i don't think he's finding that out. he you finding that out. but he you know, he didn't. he a quiet know, he didn't. he was a quiet man, a lovely man. man, a gentle man, a lovely man. and in fact, he the and he in fact, he said the discovery of the higgs particle at his life because discovery of the higgs particle at wanted his life because discovery of the higgs particle at wanted peaceis life because discovery of the higgs particle at wanted peace ande because discovery of the higgs particle at wanted peace and quietiuse discovery of the higgs particle at wanted peace and quiet and he wanted peace and quiet and certainly it was it was the nobel laureate, leon lederman, certainly it was it was the nobel la aeate, leon lederman, certainly it was it was the nobel la a real leon lederman, certainly it was it was the nobel la a real joker. lederman, certainly it was it was the nobel la a real joker. and rman, certainly it was it was the nobel la a real joker. and rralso who was a real joker. and i also knew who wrote book knew who who wrote a book called the particle. claimed the god particle. he claimed that to call it that he really wanted to call it the damn particle, but his the god damn particle, but his editor had had made change editor had had made him change it. think he said it. i really think he just said that because jokes that as a joke, because jokes were important him. were really important to him. but peter certainly didn't like that, he didn't like the that, and he didn't like the notoriety he got among the public. wanted be public. he just wanted to be more left alone to do more or less left alone to do his thing. and he was a sweet and and gentle man. oh, lovely. >> well, thanks for that. lawrence krauss, thanks for lawrence m krauss, thanks for joining us. before we move on, i want to keep the science discussion going. obviously because we've got a panel here. so, paul, of all the quantum field theories, when you look at quantum theory, which is quantum field theory, which is your field, a your favourite quantum field, a quantum close, the, i mean, quantum leap close, the, i mean, is this any science that any it

gets any close to your life? >> yes. i have a had an electronics engineering, so i did study some physics and mathematics, but, that was just mainly so i look good in front of women. >> did that work? no. okay. >> did that work? no. okay. >> and, cressida, is this in. is this in your observed? >> steve? no what a lovely man. wasn't he charming? that lovely scientist ? because i always scientist? because i always think science people don't have a personality. but he was very funny. >> how couch i love a bit. did we not want to find out why you had a blue a blue plastic? >> everyone else you have a blue plastic cooking a physicist that's you know, electron. >> i don't know beam has cut his thumb off or something. >> electron beam like me. >> an electron beam like me. >> an electron beam like me. >> they also like waves. >> now they also act like waves. it be. a field it would be. there's a field associated with. it would be. there's a field ass i've:ed with. it would be. there's a field ass i've never:h. it would be. there's a field ass i've never been in >> i've never been sitting in this chair been so hopeful this chair and been so hopeful that doesn't drop . i that the line doesn't drop. i goodness me, he had a lovely smile, is what i took from that. >> from that. >> from that. >> well, that's that's what we've learned a lot today,

haven't we, next on free speech nation, me and my fellow panellists agony uncle panellists turned agony uncle and auntie as we, we help you out your unfiltered out with your unfiltered dilemmas as through some dilemmas as we go through some social as well. social sensations as well. things viral this things that have gone viral this week

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opinion. angela rayner. and the political scandal that won't go away . if she was a conservative, away. if she was a conservative, she'd have been gone weeks ago . she'd have been gone weeks ago. and it might take a ten. whatever happened to huw edwards and why the bbc is still paying him half £1 million a year? i'll be revealing all we're live at nine. >> so it's time for social sensations. the part of the show where we look at what's been going viral on social media this week . first up, we have a video week. first up, we have a video where veteran channel 4 presenter matt fry gets his words in a bit of a jumble when he's previewing what's to come on the show. let's take a look, shall a former post office shall is a former post office boss apologises inquiry boss apologises at the inquiry into the horizon scandal for appearing celebrate the 2010 appearing to celebrate the 2010 conviction of a pregnant subpostmistress , and oj simpson subpostmistress, and oj simpson dies of cancer at the age of 76. >> the rock star, the i am

maximus . maximus. >> ouch. we've all done it, are we? there's a little bit of bofis we? there's a little bit of boris going on here with. >> well, i mean, he should know better, shouldn't he? i've done live tv. it's not easy, but i'm doing it better than that . doing it better than that. >> that's it. >> that's it. >> i love it when people do that and you think, oh, good, it's allowed. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> all the things that >> of all the things that accidentally there, accidentally slip up on there, of topics, i mean, what of all the topics, i mean, what happened i was there a prank happened did i was there a prank in the autocue? i get the feeling probably something in the probably someone just feeling probably something in the he'sobably someone just feeling probably something in the he's notily someone just feeling probably something in the he's not dead�*neone just feeling probably something in the he's not dead�*ne something went, he's not dead or something like yeah. yeah like that. just. oh, yeah. yeah >> calling him rock star, >> but calling him a rock star, that pretty special . wow. that was pretty special. wow. >> although i did see a tweet when the there wasn't a when all of the there wasn't a tweet, was push tweet, it was all the push alerts phone. when it was alerts on my phone. when it was announced he's died. all announced that he's died. all the ping, ping, your phone the ping, ping, ping, your phone goes remember goes off and i can't remember which source said i which news source said it. i wish could just said like wish i could just said like football star dies. do you think there been another there might have been another thing there might have been another thirnot the football. >> not the football. >> not the football. >> i mean, i saw that i thought maybe one was well. maybe which one it was as well. >> yeah, missed the whole

>> yeah, that missed the whole point. were a big point. perhaps they were a big oj fans. >> p- t- f— e was the star of the >> yeah. he was the star of the film naked gun. if you're film naked gun. and if you're not, you're not aware of not, if you're not aware of that, then you don't know the guy's backstory. that, then you don't know the guy no. ackstory. that, then you don't know the guy no. all;tory.need know is >> no. all you need to know is the didn't fit. steve. yes. >> well that's true. i've seen the of that now. i the pictures of that now. i remember the time, now remember it at the time, but now it like. no, that fits. do it looks like. no, that fits. do this your fingers. it looks like. no, that fits. do thisyou your fingers. it looks like. no, that fits. do thisyou wantr fingers. it looks like. no, that fits. do thisyou want gloves s. it looks like. no, that fits. do thisyou want gloves before you. >> you want gloves before you. >> you want gloves before you. >> he had. next up >> it turns out he had. next up we get this incredible footage >> it turns out he had. next up wea|et this incredible footage >> it turns out he had. next up wea baby s incredible footage >> it turns out he had. next up wea baby emperorble footage >> it turns out he had. next up wea baby emperor penguin.|e >> it turns out he had. next up wea baby emperor penguin. some of a baby emperor penguin. some baby penguins. than of a baby emperor penguin. some babyjumping penguins. than of a baby emperor penguin. some babyjumping offnguins. than of a baby emperor penguin. some babyjumping off a uins. than of a baby emperor penguin. some babyjumping off a 50 s. than of a baby emperor penguin. some babyjumping off a 50 foot than of a baby emperor penguin. some babyjumping off a 50 foot cliff1an one, jumping off a 50 foot cliff in antarctica into the for in antarctica into the sea for the first let's take the very first time. let's take a look. oh >> blush. >> blush. >> oh. i get the feeling there's less jumping off and more like. oh, i made a mistake. >> there's a lot of penguins behind me right now. >> yeah, it was busy on the edge, wasn't it?

>> yeah, it was busy on the edeeahisn't it? >> yeah, it was busy on the edeeah .n't it? >> yeah, it was busy on the edeeah . it it? >> yeah, it was busy on the edeeah . i mean, did you did you >> yeah. i mean, did you did you know that emperor penguins did that? >> didn't, >> i didn't, but i've done that loads called loads in cornwall. it's called tombstone. not tombstone. and you're not supposed it if you jump supposed to do it if you jump off a pier. it's very off a pier. yeah, it's very similar. love of. similar. yeah. love a bit of. >> i grew portsmouth, and >> i grew up in portsmouth, and that's sort of thing that that's the sort of thing that happens every year. there's always a story about sad story happens every year. there's always you ory about sad story happens every year. there's always you know,out sad story happens every year. there's always you know, but �*gettingy about, you know, a kid getting really about, you know, a kid getting reaioh, just had a good >> oh, no, we just had a good time. and then an ice cream noficed time. and then an ice cream noticed the had died down there. >> did they? because they were just, running. >> tides be in the >> the tides got to be in the tides to be in. tides got to be in. >> it's. none of them were wearing swimming trunks. >> just like how impressive. >> i just like how impressive. you've managed very you've managed to make this very short where started short section where we started off cutest little off with the cutest little penguin and you're penguin video and you're straight dead kids. was real. >> especially subject, mate. >> especially a subject, mate. nought in under nought two dead kids in under three seconds. >> gets the big >> that's where he gets the big money. finally they that money. and finally they say that imitation form imitation is the sincerest form of that's not of flattery. however, that's not the next clip where the case in this next clip where a goose doesn't approve of a passer doing an impersonation passer by doing an impersonation of take look

of them. let's take a look. oh oh. you got a point. yeah. i mean, it was a bad impersonation. it wasn't even a good! impersonation. it wasn't even a good i didn't even realise it wasn't impersonation to start with. >> i don't know, to stand up a goose. come on, i do. know goose. come on, i do. i know people of birds. people are scared of birds. i think it's silly. >> it's like a and can >> it's like a swan and they can break your arm. >> that's the law. >> that's the law. >> that's the law. >> that's what they the >> that's what they say. the law. are allowed to break law. they are allowed to break your all they can. your arm all they can. >> cap. because the >> it's one cap. because the king owns they allowed king owns them. they are allowed to arms and nothing to break your arms and nothing you about it. to break your arms and nothing you! about it. to break your arms and nothing you! find about it. to break your arms and nothing you! find thatout it. to break your arms and nothing you! find that very:. to break your arms and nothing you! find that very hard. >> i find that very hard. i think that's just pre—google pub quiz isn't it? just quiz rules, isn't it? just say it confidence. before it with confidence. leave before the knows. yeah. the end. no one knows. yeah. >> you have dealt with >> how would you have dealt with it? would you decked the it? would you have decked the goose, like to say goose, i wouldn't like to say because some goose, i wouldn't like to say be my ;e some goose, i wouldn't like to say be my ;e are some goose, i wouldn't like to say be myse are pretty some of my skills are pretty dangerous even. i don't want dangerous to even. i don't want anyone and attack me anyone to come and attack me because i want hurt because i don't want to hurt anyone. the end of the day, anyone. at the end of the day, i would have run like a small girl, like the girl girl, a bit like the small girl at there dived down to at the end. there dived down to the but it was funny. it the car, but it was funny. it it's getting hurt. it's a thing i know. >>

e“.— iknow. >>vou i know. >> you start you it again? i know. >> you start offu it again? i know. >> you start off with it again? i know. >> you start off with a it again? i know. >> you start off with a cute ain? >> you start off with a cute video you're straight into video and you're straight into it. let's see what it. unbelievable. let's see what kind advice up with kind of advice you come up with now because the part now then, because now's the part of where we talk of the show where we talk through unfiltered through your unfiltered dilemmas. first dilemma is dilemmas. our first dilemma is from started from roger. i've started stealing about from roger. i've started ste forig about from roger. i've started ste for a about from roger. i've started ste for a litre about from roger. i've started ste for a litre these about from roger. i've started ste for a litre these days.yut from roger. i've started ste for a litre these days. what £9 for a litre these days. what an off. i don't an absolute rip off. i don't have regrets, but my son have any regrets, but my son caught me while we were out. how do to him do i explain to him that stealing bad, also get stealing is bad, but also get across the complexities of inflation poor crop inflation due to poor crop yields a war in ukraine so yields and a war in ukraine so that i don't look bad? cressida, how you feel one? how would you feel this one? >> oh, is the kid? i >> oh, how old is the kid? i mean, if 17, maybe. have a mean, if he's17, maybe. have a frank teach him frank conversation. teach him some life skills. if he's some tasty life skills. if he's two, maybe just, i don't know, let go . tell him there's an let it go. tell him there's an olive fair. olive oil fair. >> there's an olive fair. >> there's an olive oil fair. has anyone ever caught your copious thefts , no . no, i don't copious thefts, no. no, i don't think they have. it's interesting what kids do, though, don't they? when they see you wandering around the supermarket why you, supermarket and ask you why you, you putting the chocolate you know, putting the chocolate bars your pants, it's, you bars down your pants, it's, you know, other know, your kids or other people's taking people's kids. i'm taking other kids frosty . kids chocolate frosty.

>> , it's kids again, £9 >> i mean, it's kids again, £9 for a bottle of. was it olive oil? olive oil? yeah a bit middle class. >> the olive oil i buy is at £9 a bottle. you got a little, don't you. >> you get, you get a al fayed slash andy lound oil. >> no go to lidl is actually the answer to a lot of life's problems. >> can i just say i've also got a note in my ear saying this was sainsbury's. it's not that middle class from someone who clearly our sainsbury's is the most classical. >> don't paul is, >> we don't know who paul is, but me, karl is middle but trust me, karl is middle class. not that middle class. it's not that middle class, only sainsbury's. >> if ever your earpiece >> what if ever your earpiece says at the end of says what at the end of a sentence, you you're in trouble. >> that's what. >> that's what. >> right. next dilemma >> all right. our next dilemma is rebecca, who says , i'm is from rebecca, who says, i'm turning big five zero next turning the big five zero next month, want to celebrate month, and i want to celebrate in style. i'm planning the party of parties , but have gone a of all parties, but have gone a little over budget. so i've asked my guest to pay £50 entrance fee this , i mean, entrance fee this, i mean, that'd buy a lot of olive oil, wouldn't it? this will cover entertainment and a drink on

arrival. husband has found arrival. my husband has found out and has gone mad. he's threatened to the whole threatened to cancel the whole thing. being unreasonable? what? >> that ridiculous . >> yes, that is ridiculous. that's not a party, is it? that's not a party, is it? that's a nightclub. that's. that's a nightclub. that's. that's an event. you know, you basically organised an event and put it online and said it's £50 to get in. that is not a party. theidea to get in. that is not a party. the idea of party is to invite friends. now they could choose to things with them. some to bring things with them. some people prefer people would, you know, prefer that now i can't that if they did. now i can't get on board with that. that just doesn't work. £50 as well. i'm not. got to be a i'm not. you've got to be a blooming friend of mine for blooming good friend of mine for me to spend £50 to come to your party. >> yeah. you weren't invited to that one, i know. >> down. yeah. >> calm down. yeah. >> calm down. yeah. >> even like this >> i don't even like this pressure having to a pressure of having to take a gift go to someone's gift when you go to someone's house as well. it's a reason to stay home. stay at home. >> i don't even know people >> i don't even know why people celebrate birthday. celebrate their own birthday. steve, miserable. steve, i'm very miserable. i think is think the whole premise is bizarre. mean, maybe shared bizarre. i mean, maybe a shared birthday. you've birthday. you know, if you've got that's one in got somebody that's got one in the as you, that's the same week as you, that's a good way to hide. behind good way to hide. hide behind the yeah, no if the issue. yeah, but no £50 if you and your mates you try and convince your mates to see a film for a

to come and see a film for a tenner , sometimes they tenner, sometimes they don't want it's a lot of want to go. so it's a lot of money, isn't it? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> if i put my mates in a >> if i put all my mates in a room and a £50, i'd have room and show us a £50, i'd have £100 and most of them wouldn't pay £100 and most of them wouldn't pay our dilemma is from pay, our next dilemma is from cathy, who sends this one. >> my colleague always offers to make me a cup of tea. whilst i appreciate the gesture, it always tastes like dishwater. i've tried to give subtle i've tried to give a subtle hint, but she's getting worse at it. asks why i never it. she always asks why i never dnnk it. she always asks why i never drink tea that she me. drink the tea that she makes me. how do tell her without being how do i tell her without being rude ? cresta. rude? cresta. >> this the double bag >> is this the double tea bag situation again? has she got a tight friend who's hanging them out dry ? out to dry? >> oh, but it's no friend if they get first dibs. they get they get first dibs. if they get virgin tea they make double virgin tea and they make double dipper tea, i can't imagine a scenario where i'd you guys scenario where i'd make you guys a of tea and you didn't a cup of tea and you didn't dnnk drink it. >> repeat w“ >> and i'd repeat that. that would end it. would be the end of it. >> i can't imagine a situation would be the end of it. >> i cyou imagine a situation would be the end of it. >> i cyou made 1e a situation would be the end of it. >> i cyou made usa situation would be the end of it. >> i cyou made us asituation would be the end of it. >> i cyou made us asituaofn would be the end of it. >> i cyou made us asituaof tea. where you made us a cup of tea. can you imagine that the patriarchy. >> oh my god, where's the tea, love? >> where's the. >> where's the. >> virgin. it's not funny. why

are you laughing? yeah >> don't clip that. >> don't clip that. >> i've got to get steve's last show . show. >> are we missing the elephant in the room here? that, her her friend hated her and makes makes a t out of dishwater ? a t out of dishwater? >> yeah. is that. >> yeah. is that. >> no. she's getting. she's dropped hints and she's getting worse because this woman is deliberately making your tea out of dishwater because she hates you. whatever. yes. >> often a lot of >> there's often a lot of context missing with these dilemmas. a don't dilemmas. there's a lot we don't know about the characters. know about the main characters. >> be beef? >> yes. could it be beef? >> yes. could it be beef? >> it have. could have >> it could have. could have stolen a yoghurt from the shared fridge. one of those >> she's probably one of those people charges £50. people who charges £50. >> probably same person. >> i'm dishwasher. >> i'm making you a dishwasher. >> i'm making you a dishwasher. >> she should learn to be a little ruder, i think. i know, i know, we put a lot of value into manners, which ridiculous . manners, which is ridiculous. and but there's nothing. there's nothing being direct nothing wrong with being direct sometimes. like, just sometimes. is there, like, just tastes bleach water. tastes like bleach water. >> you get the point across. wouldn't you do it again? >> let's try and crack this one. we've got a couple of seconds left. our next dilemma this week is me. i forgot is from ben. help me. i forgot my last now my

my anniversary last week. now my girlfriend talk to me. she girlfriend won't talk to me. she puts effort into puts so much effort into surprising with gifts surprising me with gifts and dinner favourite dinner at my favourite restaurant. give restaurant. i've tried to give her flowers, chocolates restaurant. i've tried to give her ftoyers, chocolates restaurant. i've tried to give her fto apologise, .ates restaurant. i've tried to give her fto apologise, but; restaurant. i've tried to give her fto apologise, but nothing gifts to apologise, but nothing is what do ? is working. what can i do? you've been this a few times. >> yeah. new girlfriend mate. >> yeah. new girlfriend mate. >> i investigate the emotions, ask her how she feels . oh, wow. ask her how she feels. oh, wow. >> oh, wow. look at what i look like . like. >> that. >> that. >> yeah, you're right in comparison, you're the emotional, caring one. >> beautiful stuff. >> beautiful stuff. >> you for joining >> well, thank you for joining us on free speech nation. this was week when the royal navy was a week when the royal navy announced new recruits announced that new recruits don't swim exist. don't have to swim or exist. according to recruitment figures, senior tories fear that bofis figures, senior tories fear that boris and liz truss will boris johnson and liz truss will try to sabotage sunaks election campaign . i think that's one campaign. i think that's one area where he doesn't need any help at all and the afghanistan tourist board launched a new campaign, sorry, meant to campaign, sorry, that's meant to be, long—range be, say, long, long—range missiles. see that missiles. wow. i didn't see that one in the script. >> thank you to my panel. >> thank you to my panel. >> paul cox and cressida wetton. hello. and to my guests, were joe bartos, lynne may, stephen o'grady and romina . fromer. and

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