good morning. 930 on tuesday, the 16th of april. this is britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and bev turner. >> so liz truss tells all. >> so liz truss tells all. >> being told what to do. yeah, i know, and i hate the government telling other people what to do. and having spent ten years in government, can years in the government, i can tell genuinely doesn't tell you it genuinely doesn't know best. >> well, i think i agree with that. the former prime minister, liz truss, back with a new book, ten years to save the west. but were the tories better off keeping her in the top job and a very significant morning? >> a muslim prayer ban ruling the mikhayla truss school in london is set to discover this morning whether a muslim student has won a challenge against its ban on prayer rituals. this could have huge implications for everybody. >> smoke free generation at

least 50 tory mps are going to vote against rishi sunak's flagship plans to try to ban smoking when it comes before the commons this afternoon. but do you support the ban on cigarettes for born after 2009? >> gb news presenter nigel farage is at the national conservatism conference in brussels this morning. we're going to be dipping into his speech takes the speech when he takes to the stage. >> it was a very sad car crash, just a few days ago at a shop near a shopping centre in east in london, three young boys all killed. there's a move now. our young teenagers responsible enough as drivers to have a car full of passengers. we're going to be talking to a mum. >> that's right. if you remember, there was awful remember, there was that awful crash november of last year crash in november of last year in snowdonia and a really beautiful location in the car went off a bridge, and there were young men in that car were four young men in that car who died. we're be

who died. we're going to be having here in who died. we're going to be hav studio here in who died. we're going to be hav studio with here in who died. we're going to be hav studio with one here in who died. we're going to be hav studio with one of here in who died. we're going to be hav studio with one of thee in the studio with one of the mothers lost son. that mothers who lost her son. that day to talk about this new potential legislation . get potential new legislation. get in this morning, in touch this morning, gbnews.com/yoursay to be involved in the programme first, though, the very latest news with sanchez. with tatiana sanchez. >> bev, thank you very much and good morning. the top stories the prime minister's expected to urge benjamin netanyahu to show restraint in his response to iran's missile and drone attack. rishi sunak is among world leaders warning the israeli prime minister to avoid escalation in the middle east, amid concerns the crisis could spiral out of control. reports suggest israeli forces have paused their planned ground offensive in rafah to focus on their response against iran. the un claims it's concerned about the possibility of nuclear facilities could be targeted in a revenge attack. however iranian president says even the

smallest action against iran will be met with a severe, widespread and painful response . widespread and painful response. the government's flagship rwanda bill is heading back to the house of lords after mps rejected a series of amendments peers made to the legislation open eyes to the right 315 the noes to the left 250. >> so the ayes have it, the ayes have it unlock . have it unlock. >> the lords had raised a number of concerns, including allowing individual asylum appeals based on safety . however, after on safety. however, after a debate in the house of commons last night, mps dismissed all changes, with some conservatives calling the proposed changes ridiculous. downing street is hoping to clear the final hurdle this week and get flights off the ground within weeks, but labour insists the scheme is doomed to fail now. an update on the situation in copenhagen , the situation in copenhagen, where a large fire has broken out at one of the city's oldest

buildings. if you're watching this on television, these are the latest pictures coming to us from the scene as thick smoke continues to billow into the sky. earlier emergency crews were seen rushing to the old stock exchange after the building's iconic spire collapsed into the roof. there were no reports of any injuries at this stage . the prime at this stage. the prime minister is facing the prospect of a rebellion , as his plans to of a rebellion, as his plans to stop young people from smoking is brought before the commons for the first time today. should the tobacco and vapes bill be passed into law, it would see an a be an offence to sell tobacco products to anyone born after the 1st of january 2009. this means children aged 15 or younger today will never legally be able to buy a cigarette. the bill would make the sale of tobacco products rather than the act of smoking illegal. and the rate of unemployment in the uk

has risen by more than expected, and growth in earnings has eased back again. the office for national statistics says unemployment increased to 4.2% in the three months to february. that's the highest rate for six months. regular wages, excluding bonuses , grew by 6% in the same bonuses, grew by 6% in the same period, from 6.1% in the previous three months. for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts. now it's back to andrew and . bev. >> very good morning. 9.35 on tuesday morning . this is tuesday morning. this is britain's newsroom on gb news with me, bev turner and andrew pierce. >> so she's everywhere, isn't she? >> the former prime minister liz truss has released her new book, ten years to save the west. >> and night she with >> and last night she spoke with nigel news. here's nigel farage on gb news. here's what to say. what she had to say. >> i was the only conservative

in the room for many years and it's not working . the west is it's not working. the west is weak. we're seeing authoritarian regimes on the on the rise, and what we're also seeing is in our own societies, our very values being undermined . and, you know, being undermined. and, you know, the things we believe in our nafion the things we believe in our nation , the family, individual nation, the family, individual freedom, all of those core values are being undermined. and thatis values are being undermined. and that is what my book is about. i hate being told what to do, and i hate the government telling other people what to do. and having spent ten years in the government, can tell you it government, i can tell you it genuinely doesn't best. genuinely doesn't know best. we've whitehall that's we've had a whitehall that's been by being in europe, been shaped by being in europe, essentially supplicants to europe, and it's almost like, what is that syndrome? when you become a hostage and you start to stockholm, stockholm syndrome, it's almost like that . syndrome, it's almost like that. you know, officials are constantly looking to brussels for validation and all of that needed to change. >> well, tony blair is sorry.

john mcternan is tony blair's former political secretary, and he was not impressed by what liz truss said last night. well, of course he wasn't the main thing . course he wasn't the main thing. >> the big tone that came across was it was always somebody else's fault. truss was in else's fault. liz truss was in the cabinet and eventually became prime minister in the cabinet for nine years. tony was only in the for cabinet ten, and yet liz truss was unable to do anything . it was always somebody anything. it was always somebody else's fault . else's fault. >> now, is that a fair assessment? do you think , andrew assessment? do you think, andrew pierce, if you've read the book, you've interviewed her about this? i have read the book and i've known her a long time, and i've known her a long time, and i've book, the book i've read the book, and the book is interesting. is quite interesting. >> doesn't, and shift >> she doesn't, try and shift the to everybody else. the blame to everybody else. she does other does blame a lot of other people, but accepts things people, but she accepts things were but she was no were done wrong. but she was no doubt they blob, doubt they the blob, the treasury got her. but if you sack the chief mandarin on day one, that's a man called scholar tom scholar . one, that's a man called scholar tom scholar. and don't have someone to replace him or her. you're in trouble. yeah, well,

they were out together, and. >> and she even has gone so far as to say it was the deep state that did for her. we're joined now by the political editor at huffpost, kevin schofield, and the former london, lance the former mep for london, lance forman. so this book is out this week, gentlemen. a lot of people discussing it. but does it really tell us anything that we didn't already know? do you think about liz truss how think about liz truss and how she viewed in history as she will be viewed in history as the prime minister who was there for time? kevin for the shortest time? kevin >> no, i mean, i think her views now are very well known . as you now are very well known. as you say, she has been absolutely everywhere you can't open a paper or turn on the tv without seeing liz truss being interviewed. and she's certainly very forthright in getting her message across. i'm sure it will do her book sales. maybe not in this country, but on the other side of the atlantic. she'll probably quite well, probably do quite well, but yeah, i'll pick up there yeah, i mean, i'll pick up there on what andrew said. you know, you're right. she got rid of tom scholar on day one. and i think that of the scene for that sort of set the scene for the next 49 days that she was in

power. you know, she was in too much of a rush trying to get everything done yesterday, and ultimately, it blew up in her face. although she is trying to shift the blame onto a lot of people, i think ultimately she only has herself to blame for that particular strategy, lance, she much talks about the she very much talks about the fact that there's nothing she could achieve. nothing. there were too many hurdles in her way . there were too many people. she almost talks about forces in her way to get a growth economy, and to move away from what she sees as sort of left wing ideology from all of the other countries as well, that she mentioned in that interview with nigel last night. is she right, i think she is right. i think we are living in this world where, you know the forces, you know the establishment, whether it's the establishment, whether it's the treasury or the bank of england and even a lot of her colleagues in the conservative party are just sort of stuck in

this, this world looking at sort of tax and spend the whole time with actually looking about the underlying incentives that make economies grow. and, you know, we, you know, that's why our economy has stagnated for the last 30 years. it's really not that complicated . you know, if that complicated. you know, if you want an economy to grow, what you have to do is incentivise people by having lower taxes and scrapping red tape. lower taxes and scrapping red tape . and red tape has got tape. and red tape has got completely out of hand. tax levels at the highest they've been generation. and she been for a generation. and she wanted to change that. and i also think, you know, if you go back to the and this wasn't about brexit, but if you go back to the brexit vote, i think there was a sense amongst the british people that they just felt country was felt that our country was stagnating and they they wanted to be bold and try something different. and, and yeah, they might felt that, you know , might have felt that, you know, pulling was the pulling out of europe was the thing to do, but thing we needed to do, but they wanted bold change. and we haven't had bold change in our leadership. and, and liz truss tried and unfortunately she tried it and unfortunately she was held back by her colleagues.

>> why. but is it in your view, lance? i mean, she only lasted seven weeks. humiliating. frankly, the shortest serving prime minister in history. i think unless there's a death that record is never going to be beaten. so why why did she fail so quickly, in your view , you so quickly, in your view, you know, i wish she would have said the lady is not for turning when they sort of locked her in her in that room and said, you need to reverse everything you've just done, she needed show just done, she needed to show strength that and she strength at that time. and she she, i mean, she's told me that the reason she, you know, she was unable to was because she just have the of just didn't have the support of her parliamentary colleagues, despite of despite the actual party sort of backing what she was trying to achieve. and it wasn't as though it was a great surprise. you know, people talk about this mini—budget surprise. that mini—budget as a surprise. that summer went on and summer hustings just went on and on, and she kept setting out what she was trying to achieve. people knew and they voted for her on that basis . i think she her on that basis. i think she was really badly let down by her

colleagues that thought rishi sunak would do a betterjob and actually what, what what we have now is, you know, he's performing certainly in polling terms, even worse than she did at that time. so i think, i think it was a huge mistake to get rid of her. they should have given her a much greater chance and i think her policies were absolutely spot on. they were hailed by a of the hailed by a lot of the newspapers, you know, the front pages at last a tory pages said at last a tory budget. all business groups , budget. all the business groups, the cbi, the, the iod, the directors, the federation of small businesses, they all said this is just the budget we need. and i'm a businessman , i agree, and i'm a businessman, i agree, i thought it was a fantastic budget and really , really budget and really, really unhappy that, that she was deposed . deposed. >> kevin schofield, the labour party indeed, in fact even accepted one of her tax cuts, after that mini—budget they don't talk about that very much now. but if you look at the polls, rishi sunak has plummeted to minus an approval rating of

—27.5% in the latest poll on conservative home. that is an approval rating for ministers. no tory leader has ever scaled such a low depth, so he's far more less popular now than liz truss. they probably should have stuck her. stuck with her. >> the whole thing about >> well, the whole thing about bringing sunak was he bringing in rishi sunak was he was supposed to be the sensible, moderate man in the room that he would, you know, stop the boat from rocking and that the plan was that, he was popular in the public, not least because of the furlough and all the money that he gave away to people during lockdown, and would then lockdown, and that he would then bnng lockdown, and that he would then bring conservative party's bring the conservative party's ratings up to where he was at, when in actual fact, the opposite has happened. his ratings have plummeted down to where the conservative parties are. people have had a look at them for the last 18 months and have decided that he's not up to the job. so i it's one of the job. so i guess it's one of the job. so i guess it's one of the great ifs. know the great what ifs. you know what the conservatives had what if the conservatives had stood what would stood by liz truss, what would have happened? i think if you cast back to that

cast your mind back to that particular you particular time, i think, you know, the momentum behind the moves to get rid of her were unstoppable, i remember at the conservative party conference, she'd she'd only been leader for a few weeks , and already there a few weeks, and already there was every conservative mp you spoke to virtually was saying she's not to last till she's not going to last till christmas. really . she christmas. so really. she wasn't. if you want to defend her, you'd say she wasn't really given a chance. that said, i do think she was the of her think she was the author of her own misfortune. think she was the author of her oerance,rtune. it have been >> lance, would it have been better she'd had chancellor better if she'd had a chancellor of exchequer? who'd actually of the exchequer? who'd actually worked in treasury before, worked in the treasury before, or minister, or or been a treasury minister, or was of the strength was was part of the strength she was bringing somebody in who would look a completely look at it from a completely different perspective , look, to different perspective, look, to some extent, i she was some extent, i feel she was stitched up by both the treasury and the bank of england , the and the bank of england, the biggest problem here was the problem with the ldis, the liability driven investments , liability driven investments, which she wasn't briefed on. nobodyin which she wasn't briefed on. nobody in the treasury briefed about it. the bank of england knew about this and never said a word. reason we know word. and the reason we know they knew was because their own

pension fund had 100% of its investments invested in ldi the summer before. >> just going to interrupt you, could you just explain in layman's terms what these are and why they were so significant , it made a bad , and why it made such a bad impact what she was trying to do? >> yeah, really important. >> yeah, it is really important. it's difficult to explain in a, in a, in a sound bite, but essentially , after the, the essentially, after the, the crash in the early part of the 2000, pension funds weren't allowed to invest in equity in risk, what were considered to be risky investments. so they invested in bonds. and as we know, bonds just gave a very low rate of it's basically like investing in a bank account. you get of interest. get a very low rate of interest. and they weren't earning and so they weren't earning enough to be able pay enough money to be able to pay out people's once they out people's pensions once they retired this vehicle retired. so this new vehicle came along an ldi. and came along called an ldi. and what they said to the pension funds if give us the funds is if you give us the security of these bonds, we will lend you more money to invest in

more ldi. and then if you give us the security of those ldis, we'll lend you more money to invest more. so it was like a giant scheme and the giant ponzi scheme and the problem with that so and that that enabled pension funds to earn but the problem earn more. but the problem is when interest rates go up and interest rates needed to go up because inflation was getting out of control, because of what happened during covid and rishi sunak, know, printing all sunak, you know, printing all this handing it out. this money and handing it out. so rates up, so when interest rates go up, bond values go down because people want to sell interest. so bond values were collapsing because they were collapsing because they were collapsing . and, these pension collapsing. and, these pension funds were invested in them . funds were invested in them. they had to sell more bonds to pay they had to sell more bonds to pay off the ones that were collapsing and then sell more bonds. so you had a sort of ponzi scheme that was crashing. yeah >> and effectively her her premiership became the victim of that very obscure in a way, fiscal phenomenon. i'm so sorry,

gentlemen. we've run out of time, kevin schofield and lance foreman, thank so much. we foreman, thank you so much. we could chatting for while. >> when i interviewed you last week. she talked endlessly about those lies. >> oh, really? that's what keeps her night. at night, >> oh, really? that's what keeps her morning. night. at night, >> oh, really? that's what keeps her morning. katharine 1ight, big morning. katharine birbalsingh. her. birbalsingh. you will know her. britain's head. she is britain's strictest head. she is in she was court a few in court. she was in court a few months ago . we talked about months ago. we talked about this. forced to this. should she be forced to provide a room at lunchtime for the muslim students to pray? she says if she does so, it will fundamentally change the way that her school runs. she has the most successful performing state school in the country, and we're going to be bringing you the results of that court case this

gb news. five. good morning. 950. so the prime minister's flagship policy to ban smoking will be voted on by mps today. >> it's designed to outlaw anyone born after 2009 from

buying cigarettes. >> so is it time to ban young people from smoking and make sure they never can? well, sure that they never can? well, joining is the director joining us now is the director of forest smoking, simon clark and deborah arnold, chief and deborah arnold, the chief executive smoking. executive of action on smoking. we don't have a huge amount of time, both of you. but simon, let's you. should we let's start with you. should we make that anybody born make it so that anybody born after buy after 2009 can never buy cigarettes ? cigarettes? >> no. i think it's a pathetic gimmick that dreamt up at the fag end of rishi sunaks time in office. >> he wants to leave a legacy. smoking is an easy target. this policy will infantilize adults. when you're 18, you're legally an adult and you should be treated like one. i mean, at 18 you can drive a car, join the army, possess a credit card, you can purchase alcohol, and of course can vote. so you can course you can vote. so you can do all those things. at 18, you should be allowed to make an informed choice to purchase tobacco. this going to tobacco. and this is going to fuel black market. simon. fuel the black market. simon. >> . deborah. your >> very clear. deborah. your life, choice. life, your choice. >> simon would say that >> well, simon would say that because he's paid by the tobacco industry, he doesn't smoke

himself, but wants others to himself, but he wants others to take and it's not take that risk. and it's not what . the public want and it's what. the public want and it's not what smokers want, i mean, forest published a push poll yesterday, but , forest published a push poll yesterday, but, on radio four, luke tryl from , a large polling luke tryl from, a large polling company and yougov polls and all the polls show that the public support majority of support it. the majority of people can vote conservative people who can vote conservative support not support it. it's not anti—conservative, and, it's smoking's going to be consigned to the ash heap of history. and that's where it deserves to be, because it's the leading cause of premature death. >> but, deborah, i mean, i get that and i don't like smoking. i would people stop would like people to stop smoking, will create smoking, but the law will create an extraordinary where an extraordinary situation where somebody born after 2009 can't legally buy cigarettes, say in five they be five years time they could be sharing with sharing a house with three adults were born the year adults who were born the year before. can be before. who can? how can that be right, because it's bringing it in people who don't , you in for people who don't, you know, aren't currently old enough to smoke. i mean, it's an

incremental policy. it's actually heralding the end of smoking. it's not criminalising smoking. it's not criminalising buying make buying tobacco. but it will make it harder young people to it harder for young people to get hold of cigarettes, and that's we will actually that's how we will actually reduce smoking, because when the smoking age was increased from 16 to 18, it reduced smoking rates in 16 and 17 year olds by 30. and you know, this is still a problem. and increasingly it's adults who are starting smoking and becoming addicted. and this is not about free choice because once you're addicted, it's really difficult to quit, ucl analysis shows 350 18 to 25 year olds become regular smokers each day. regular smokers are addicted smokers and take, on average, 30 attempts to quit. many fail and will die from smoking. >> so, simon, the state has a responsibility to protect you from yourself, the state has a responsibility to educate people about the health risks of smoking, drinking too much alcohol , all sorts of things. alcohol, all sorts of things. the state does not have

responsibility to coerce adults, never to take up a perfectly legal product. this is not about protecting children will illegal age of sale is already 18. so if you want to stop children smoking, the answer is to crack down on illicit sellers, not adults who choose to smoke. and of course, creeping prohibition is going to fuel the black market that's going to benefit criminal gangs and other illicit sellers. it will help sellers. it will not help children . children. >> okay. thank you both. really great debate. sorry we're so short on time. simon clarke there and deborah arnott, like you say, maybe it was thought up at the fag end of rishi sunak's premiership. >> i don't like banning things but i'm, i am troubled this. but i'm, i am troubled by this. yeah. change really. but i'm, i am troubled by this. yaneah. change really. but i'm, i am troubled by this. yaneah. right,hange really. but i'm, i am troubled by this. yaneah. right, here'sreally. but i'm, i am troubled by this. yaneah. right, here's youry. >> yeah. right, here's your weather. deakin a brighter >> alex deakin a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. of weather on. gb news. >> good morning. welcome to your

latest update from the met office for gb news. another fresh start out there this morning. many of us seeing sunny spells. there will be few spells. there will be a few showers, but perhaps not as many. not as heavy as the ones we saw yesterday. still a bit of a wet start over parts of lincolnshire down through east anglia. a fair few showers scattered across wales as well. we'll into we'll see more coming into northern scotland the northern scotland through the day. brisk breeze northern scotland through the day.not brisk breeze northern scotland through the day.not as brisk breeze northern scotland through the day.not as blustery. sk breeze northern scotland through the day.not as blustery. not reeze northern scotland through the day.not as blustery. not as ze but not as blustery. not as gusty yesterday. we should gusty as yesterday. we should see spells of see some decent spells of sunshine over parts of north wales, northern england and southwest scotland. temperatures still struggling a little bit, feeling fresh in that breeze but generally with a bit more sunshine. the winds a little lighter than yesterday. it does feel a little warmer it feel a little warmer or it certainly this certainly will do by this afternoon. going to turn quite chilly though. more chilly overnight though. more showers packing in across northern gusty northern scotland with a gusty wind blowing here. we'll see a fair showers drifting across fair few showers drifting across northern england wales fair few showers drifting across northernthegland wales fair few showers drifting across northernthe night. wales fair few showers drifting across northernthe night. they'lles fair few showers drifting across northernthe night. they'll crop through the night. they'll crop up of south up across parts of the south dunng up across parts of the south during the early hours. it will be chilly old night, though 4 be a chilly old night, though 4 or 5 in towns cities lower

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many, many moment now the michaela truscon in london. we'll find out if a muslim student has won a challenge against its ban on prayer rituals. is the school run rituals. this is the school run by top headteacher, by britain's top headteacher, katharine birbalsingh, and this could implications could have huge implications for the tuned. the culture secretary , lucy >> the culture secretary, lucy frazer, has called on sporting chiefs to ban transgender athletes. the former olympic swimmer sharron joins us swimmer sharron davies joins us about that next. >> we love this. a new study claims that going vegan is not exactly always going to be better for your health. it says plant based meat products are full of and fat. i'm full of salt and fat. i'm sticking to bacon sandwiches. sticking to my bacon sandwiches. thank . thank you. >> and gb news presenter nigel farage is at the national concert autism conference in brussels this morning. we're going to dipping his going to be dipping into his speech takes to the speech when he takes to the stage. you did another. and, there is discussions afoot that teenagers who are actually just first time drivers don't need to be teenagers who passed their tests

, shouldn't be allowed to take passengers for six months after they passed their test. we're going to be talking to one bereaved mother whose son died . bereaved mother whose son died. if you remember, in that awful tragedy in snowdonia in november, four teens went november, where four teens went off a to hear off the road in a car to hear why she thinks it's a good idea. first though, very latest news with sanchez. with tatiana sanchez. >> beth, thank you and good morning. the top stories. the prime minister is expected to urge benjamin netanyahu to show restraint in his response to iran's missile and drone attack. rishi sunak is among world leaders warning the israeli prime minister to avoid escalation . in the middle east, escalation. in the middle east, amid concerns the crisis could spiral out of control. reports suggest israeli forces have paused their planned ground offensive in rafah to focus on their response against iran. the united nations claims it's concerned about the possibility that could be

that nuclear facilities could be targeted in a revenge attack. however, iranian president ebrahim raisi says even the smallest action against iran will be met with a severe, widespread and painful response . widespread and painful response. the government's flagship rwanda bill heads back to the house of lords today after mps rejected a series of amendments peers made to the legislation . to the legislation. >> eyes to the right 315 the noes to the left 250. >> the lords had raised a number of concerns, including allowing individual asylum appeals based on safety. however, after a debate in the commons last night, mps dismissed all changes, with some conservatives calling the proposed changes ridiculous. downing street is hoping to clear the final hurdle this week and get flights off the ground within weeks. but labour insists the scheme is doomed to fail. labour insists the scheme is doomed to fail . the prime doomed to fail. the prime minister is facing the prospect of a rebellion , as his plan to of a rebellion, as his plan to stop young people smoking is

brought before the commons for the first time today. if the tobacco and vapes bill becomes law, it would be an offence to sell tobacco products to anyone born after the 1st of january 2009. it means children aged 15 or younger today will never legally be able to buy a cigarette. however, the bill would only make the sale of tobacco products illegal, not the act of smoking. rate of the act of smoking. the rate of unemployment in the uk has risen by more than expected, and growth in earnings has eased back again. the office for national statistics says unemployment increased to 4.2% in the three months to february, the rate for six months. the highest rate for six months. regular wages, excluding bonuses , grew by 6% in the same period, from 6.1% in the previous three months. it will soon be an offence to create a sexually explicit, deep fake image without consent, with those convicted facing a criminal record and an unlimited fine

under the new legislation, people in england and wales could even face jail time if the image is shared more widely. creating a deepfake will be an offence irrespective of whether the person who made intended the person who made it intended to not. the new law to share it or not. the new law will introduced through an will be introduced through an amendment controversial amendment to the controversial criminal which criminal justice bill, which is still through still making its way through parliament, victims and safeguarding minister laura farris told gb news. deep fake technology can have catastrophic consequences . consequences. >> it's an offence in this country to create an explosive device, even if you're doing so privately in your kitchen . but privately in your kitchen. but we do it because if it falls into the wrong hands or if motive changes, it could cause catastrophic harm and in a psychological sense, create being a grossly offensive, explicit video where you're using a real person's, you know, face and you're superimposing that and you're making it look incredibly realistic can cause actually catastrophic psychological harm. >> the labour party has promised

to protect family finances after a reported spike in repossessed homes after the mini—budget the party's new analysis shows. the number of families at risk of losing their home jumped 46% as a result of liz truss's mini—budget and soaring mortgages. more than 16,500 repossession claims were made last year , up from just over last year, up from just over 11,300 in the previous year. chair of the labour party, anneliese dodds, told gb news the government's not doing enough to help families . enough to help families. >> neil kinnock certainly hasn't learned the lessons of that. liz truss period, because course, truss period, because of course, he's forward unfunded he's put forward a huge unfunded tax cut, £46 billion, not said how he would pay for that or whether he'd be putting up taxes elsewhere to pay for it, or slashing public services. so certainly the conservative party has to do a lot more to has got to do a lot more to learn from the impact, the awful impact that. liz truss impact of that. liz truss period, particularly on family finances and scottish power,

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to ban transgender athletes from elite women's sporting events. >> those sporting >> she said those sporting bodies have a duty to set out clear guidance as biology matters, and melbourne athletes have indisputable edge. >> do you know, sometimes you feel like you're saying things which should be we should just have a thing on underneath that says blindingly obvious . yeah. says blindingly obvious. yeah. well, joining us now is olympic swimmer and medallist sharron davies. morning i davies. good morning sharron. i mean fighting. mean you've been fighting. you've this fight you've been fighting this fight for than ten years for probably more than ten years now. must still now. and you just must still feel we should put the feel we should just put the strap underneath the strap underneath saying the blindingly at least blindingly obvious. but at least lucy frazer come out and lucy frazer has come out and said now. said something now. >> yeah. good morning to you both. funny, it, both. it's funny, isn't it, because spoke you because when i spoke to you last, last, know, last week, last, last, you know, last week, i on way see lucy i was on my way to see lucy frazer. so that's where i was going. westminster. going. down to westminster. because was a meeting because there was a meeting with quite the governing quite a few of the governing bodies, including the fa and the quite a few of the governing bodion including the fa and the quite a few of the governing bodion monday.] the fa and the quite a few of the governing bodion monday. and fa and the quite a few of the governing bodion monday. and surprise the quite a few of the governing bodion monday. and surprise ,ie ecb on monday. and surprise, surprise, they didn't want me there will point out there because i will point out to that they're talking to them that they're talking rubbish they up rubbish whenever they bring up these you these ridiculous, you know, t levels reduce it for a year, reduce it to half what women get

twice get, whatever. reduce it to half what women get twi(all get, whatever. reduce it to half what women get twi(all garbage.:ever. it's all absolute garbage. we know and females are know that males and females are physically very different, and that's the reason why have that's the reason why we have that's the reason why we have that category in sport. so lucy is a great thing. what we is doing a great thing. what we need to do, though, is to bring consequences in because this is sex discrimination. we are discriminating against people that biologically female that are biologically female in sport. funding, i sport. so removing funding, i think is the next step that we actually have to do. and the other thing that's really important is to not limit it to elite sports. know, little elite sports. you know, little girls matter as girls in school matterjust as much. pathways for those much. we need pathways for those athletes to come through to say one group of women are worthy of fair and another group fair sport and another group are not. ridiculous . not. is ridiculous. >> yes. and sharron, just clarify, when you said they didn't want you there, did you mean the cricket football mean the cricket and football bodies? course they bodies? because of course they have at all about, have done nothing at all about, what they don't want they refuse to do so far. what lucy fraser is urging the rest to do. >> and the ecb are even >> yeah. and the ecb are even going against the international federation because they have actually protected the female category. finding category. so what we're finding is when we have a leo

is that when we have a leo thomas in a sport, the sport will turn around and do the blindingly obvious because then they can't ignore it any longer. and what's happening, you and that's what's happening, you know, sports where they know, is that sports where they don't at the moment have someone like thomas, they're just like leo thomas, they're just hoping to happen to hoping it's going to happen to somebody else and somebody else will problem out. but will sort the problem out. but this been going on now since this has been going on now since 2015, changed the 2015, when the ioc changed the rules government have rules and the government have been to governing been given guidance to governing bodies. since 2024 years. so bodies. now since 2024 years. so it's bodies. now since 2024 years. so wsfime bodies. now since 2024 years. so it's time to stop giving guidance to and give instruction and for there to be consequences to it. >> well , that's the point. it's >> well, that's the point. it's just guidance, isn't it, sharon? and time is everything. if they wanted legislation, they might struggle the labour party struggle to get the labour party to it. when starmer to support it. when keir starmer was struggling say whether was struggling to say whether a woman can have a penis or not, the labour leader . the labour leader. >> yeah, absolutely. i mean, we are that sign of, you are seeing that sign of, you know, slightly changing, haven't we? streeting we? we've seen wes streeting this know, to to, eat this week, you know, to to, eat some humble pie reverse some humble pie and to reverse and, credit to him , you and, and to credit to him, you know, it is about people saying, look, was what

look, i was wrong. what frustrates me is that all this evidence been there for evidence has been there for a very long time . you know, this very long time. you know, this isn't something which all of a sudden has just arrived in the last of weeks. has last couple of weeks. this has been long and been around for a long time and it's been ignored by so many people in positions of authorities have done authorities who should have done their proper and not their proper homework and not just fashionable just followed fashionable ideology , and to throw women's ideology, and to throw women's sport way that they have sport the way that they have done bus, you know, done under the bus, you know, the bus 2015, without even the bus since 2015, without even looking at the science and the science has never changed. there's a single there's never been a single study shows us that can study that shows us that we can remove puberty advantage in remove male puberty advantage in every olympics ever in history shows difference between shows us the difference between males it's just males and females. it's just shut. sport away was was shut. women's sport away was was awful, you know and so misogynistic. awful, you know and so misogynistic . and now in those misogynistic. and now in those very misogynistic sports like cricket and football , tennis, cricket and football, tennis, golf we're literally still banging our heads against a brick wall, and you have to ask, why is this ? why is this? >> and so the people, sharon, who have fought to have transgender women in those competitions, their argument is what their argument is. gender is a cultural construct. it

isn't what you are born into. it isn't what you are born into. it is something we decide that i wear dresses and that andrew wears a suit. >> most of the time, and therefore i wear a seat sometimes they don't say, you know, it's it isn't that crazy ? know, it's it isn't that crazy? >> it's. but that's, that's the cultural. and therefore they would say as somebody wearing a one piece swimsuit as opposed to a little pair of speedos , they a little pair of speedos, they should be allowed to race in that race and that they've taken sufficient hormones to reduce their testosterone. therefore they're no longer a threat. >> well, in lots of sports , they >> well, in lots of sports, they don't even do that. and the levels that they reduce it to, it's so ridiculous. and, you know, not it's not even checked up on. so some it will be up on. so some sports it will be five nanomoles , some it's ten five nanomoles, some it's ten nanomoles some 2.5 nanomoles some it's 2.5 nanomoles, it's one year, nanomoles, some it's one year, some it's five years. and there's no testing system in place they're doing place to make sure they're doing this. women are under this. and also women are under one of testosterone per one nanomole of testosterone per litre so even reducing litre of blood. so even reducing it to two and a half, you've still got two and a half times. once you've gone male

once you've gone through male puberty. but in fact, you know, women a different angle women have a different cue angle . so for example, in football women have six times as many acl injuries. knee injuries injuries. that's knee injuries because our cue angle is bigger because our cue angle is bigger because have childbearing because we have childbearing hips. that also sort of hips. so that also sort of extrapolates to power that you can put through a stride on a bike, for example. you know, the power that can none power that you can get. so none of be changed of these things can be changed by your testosterone . by reducing your testosterone. so what need to do is we need so what we need to do is we need to sensibly relabel the categories female, meaning biological female, and then open and inclusive . and i will and inclusive. and i will reiterate what i've said all along. i don't want anyone to be banned from sport. i don't want anyone not to be encouraged to do sport. it's really important we do sport , but it needs to be we do sport, but it needs to be fair and, you know, inclusive can be in an open category and wear what you like in that category. call yourself whatever you like and be safe. but compete fairly. >> but then i am baffled because it is so logical. it is so rational. it just seems so fair when we describe it in these

terms. so what are the pressures being placed upon the football association and the english cricket board? who are they trying to please? sharon >> a very small group of men's feelings versus 51% of the world's population that are females who just don't seem to matter, basically. and what's really fascinating is, you know, you talked about swimwear, at the nca two days, which is the college championships in america when leo thomas was competing. we transgender is we had transgender men, that is biological females identifying as men and competing with the women. and the women had no problem. so providing they weren't on testosterone, which is illegal we know, and would is illegal as we know, and would cause a four year ban, women cause you a four year ban, women have with how anyone have no problem with how anyone identifies providing their racing other females, so that should also apply to men. >> i hate to interrupt you, but your timing on this show this morning not better. and morning could not be better. and this i'm this is coincidental. i'm looking just have to looking at it. we just have to explain people who going, explain to people who are going, what those pictures? what are those pictures? they don't transgender. is don't look transgender. this is the lighting of the olympic flame. course it olympic

flame. of course it is olympic year. flame. of course it is olympic year . these are beautiful year. these are beautiful images. just remind us, sharon, of your first olympic experience and how important that was. when was it even? >> and that was a 13 year old, you know, that was way back in 1976. one of these youngsters that was on a pathway that wouldn't have got there if we don't protect pathways, and paris will be my 13th olympic games. so yes, i will be there in paris with my microphone on the side of the pool, extremely excited about that, you know, they an incredible they are an incredible competition, we were talking, weren't we, about money, you know, and so bringing money into track and field on thursday, the, ioc makes a fortune out the, the ioc makes a fortune out of being able to control the ioc and really passing on any of and not really passing on any of that the athletes that to, to the athletes themselves. incredible themselves. it's an incredible event, to event, but it does need to change, and the ioc needs to be way more transparent and a lot of this problem in sport has been caused by them. you know, it really has. and they're still funding incredibly bogus, unscientific studies, to try and

support their position that there's no biological difference between men and female and if that was the case, we wouldn't have men in female races. so they know that's not true. you know, is just crazy. know, it is just crazy. >> maybe there should be a trans category. sharon >> yeah, except for we tried that in world aquatics. so in october of last year, we had the first, trans, category and not a single trans athlete turned up. >> is funny that this isn't >> this is funny that this isn't about them. >> yeah, funny that, isn't it? this about them wanting to this isn't about them wanting to be this is about them be included. this is about them wanting in women's sport. >> of course is. of course it is. >> these pictures are giving me goosebumps. sharon, i don't know how clearly you can see them from it's a some from there. i wish it's a some extent. wish the audio extent. i wish we had the audio because it looks like this lady is, as she's singing is, chanting as she's singing or is, chanting as she's singing or is she talking? >> i honestly know, >> she i honestly don't know, but have say, love but i have to say, i did love the games athens. do the olympic games in athens. do you all the hassle? and the olympic games in athens. do you were all the hassle? and the olympic games in athens. do you were sayingl the hassle? and the olympic games in athens. do you were saying it he hassle? and the olympic games in athens. do you were saying it wasn'tsle? and the olympic games in athens. do you were saying it wasn't going1d they were saying it wasn't going to that one wasn't to be ready, and that one wasn't sorted the hotels sorted out. and the hotels weren't yet was an weren't built. and yet it was an absolutely olympic absolutely fantastic olympic games see the

games because we could see the acropolis it was acropolis and it was a celebration of 100 years modern olympic know, olympic games. and, you know, i have to say, each olympics is really special in right. really special in its own right. but for me, my first ones will always special. i think always be special. i think athens will always be special. and know, was did and london, you know, was we did a marvellous job. did a marvellous job. we did a really job. yeah. and really fabulous job. yeah. and i'm quite excited to hear that glasgow might be having the commonwealth because commonwealth games because we're nearly now. nearly you nearly lost them now. >> remind us because >> so just remind us because that's commonwealth games that's the commonwealth games which ahead because that's the commonwealth games wifunding ahead because that's the commonwealth games wifunding issues. ahead because that's the commonwealth games wifunding issues. am ad because that's the commonwealth games wifunding issues. am h because that's the commonwealth games wifunding issues. am i right. use of funding issues. am i right. >> yeah. and i think a little bit of this is because we're turning these major events into such a massive circus and it's not necessary. you know, we spent so money on spent so much money on birmingham commonwealth birmingham at the commonwealth games incredible. but games and it was incredible. but the was to build the money that was used to build brand was brand new facilities, that was built to, know, build new built to, you know, build new facilities to house the facilities to, to house the athletes and not necessarily use facilities we use facilities that we have use student accommodation providing athletes have got bed and athletes have got a good bed and good food. what they need then is a good track and a good pool, but they don't need a brand new one, they just need a good one.

so could run these events so we could run these events much, much cheaper then we much, much cheaper and then we won't lose them. >> okay, sharon, >> yeah, okay, sharon, this absolute sense absolute beacon of common sense is brilliance. as always. it's so to see you, you so lovely to see you, thank you so lovely to see you, thank you so much, sharon . i'm just sorry so much, sharon. i'm just sorry that you have to go to the olympics the bbc. that's olympics with the bbc. that's the only thing i feel sorry for you for. i'm. sign her up. sign her right. we're just going her up. right. we're just going to. to take to. we're just going to take a little bit of this footage because this is so beautiful. look traditional look how traditional this is. women the women in greece, it's the olympic in olympia. the olympic like flame lighting in tradition, if you're listening on the radio there in traditional costume, the flame is being lit. >> it is the countdown. now to the olympic games , which, of the olympic games, which, of course, paris, july course, are in paris, in july and august . and august. >> that's right. 101 days. yeah, until the olympics start, i went to watch in london in the in the arena. were you there for the london olympics of it? >> yeah. and you know, what was one of the most really exciting moment didn't would moment i didn't think it would be. the olympic flame and be. i saw the olympic flame and i car i made the

i was in a car and i made the car stop. i wanted just see car stop. i wanted just to see it, i wanted to touch it. as it, and i wanted to touch it. as they past and it was they ran past it and it was quite moving. >> we one. i have one of >> we have one. i have one of the olympic torches my the olympic torches because my ex—husband a couple of gold ex—husband won a couple of gold medals, fact one of medals, and in fact one of them was athens, the that was in athens, the olympics that sharon about in the sharon was talking about in the coxless four boat at the time with pinson. then he with matt pinson. and then he won with steve reed, won in sydney with steve reed, steve 2000, so steve redgrave in 2000, and so for what olympics must it have been. don't it was been. i don't think it was london. got london. maybe it was james got to the olympic torch. to run with the olympic torch. it have been. it would it would have been. it would have been london, wouldn't it? feels long ago. feels like a long time ago. yeah. got run with the yeah. and he got to run with the olympic for a little bit olympic flame for a little bit of therefore of that journey. and therefore he flame. he has the actual flame. >> moving. just felt it >> very moving. i just felt it meant in some small way i was part of because they were on part of it because they were on their stadium. their way to, to the stadium. and it transformed the and look how it transformed the east part of london, which i used to live in many years ago. fantastic. it's fantastic. >> as sharon says, they >> but as as sharon says, they the important thing with these facilities, particularly when they is they they get built new, is that they have a longevity to them because wasn't the track and field wasn't it the track and field stadium that we built for london is no longer a track and field

stadium. i think i might be wrong on that. >> it's a it's a football stadium, isn't it now? >> well, the football stadium, did stay in existence. the swimming pool largely in swimming pool largely stayed in existence, think it existence, but i don't think it has necessarily the best team. >> but the accommodation was all utilised. >> that's right. yep yep. some of it i think. what was a good legacy from the olympics. yeah but yeah, we're looking at these live pictures here. >> of course we had that >> and of course we had that debate sharon davis debate here with sharon davis about be paid about should they be paid olympians. been raging olympians. and it's been raging all the letters pages of national newspapers all week. people are split half and people are very split half and half. thought i'd be outraged half. i thought i'd be outraged by it. but davis made by it. but sharon davis made a very good case for why they should be paid, didn't she? >> actually said >> she did. she actually said that that they that she thought that they should athletes because should be athletes because of course, of the athletes at course, a lot of the athletes at the olympics in amateur the olympics are in amateur sports. have massive sports. they don't have massive sponsorship then sponsorship deals. and then we spoke course, sir steve spoke of course, to sir steve redgrave. afterwards, and redgrave. afterwards, sharon and steve that he thought that steve said that he thought that it was wrong, that it was the athletes , it's track and field athletes, it's track and field who were getting the 40,000 because, he says they already

have made point. have made the point. >> he returned from >> when he returned from atlanta, he won he atlanta, where he won gold, he was red, was dead. was in the red, he was dead. >> in atlanta they were the >> and in atlanta they were the only that great only gold medal that great britain atlanta. and he britain got in atlanta. and he came back with steve and matt with in a in a coxless with debts in a in a coxless pair. >> so i'm now converted i think perhaps but but typically the money the blue money is going to the blue fiband money is going to the blue riband events track and field where a lot of the glamour is and where a lot of the money is already. >> that's right. right. still to come this morning, prince harry has lost the initial attempt to appeal against the security ruling. we're going to be discussing that next. poor harry. newsroom on .

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busy, andrew? yeah, nigel. >> nigel was just talking about vat on bras. i said don't look at me. i'm not an expert on bras that. >> but we can definitely conclude it's true. you are definitely no expert on bras, right. we're joined now by, a kulveer colville, kulveer ranger, lord colville, rangen kulveer ranger, lord colville, ranger, news, senior ranger, and gb news, a senior political commentator , nigel political commentator, nigel nelson. let's nelson. right. colby, let's start story about, start with this story about, this the widow of murdered this is the widow of murdered garry newlove, baroness newlove, who wants the victims and prisoners bill being debated today to support victims . why? today to support victims. why? what is what is she arguing for? well, i think we're all concerned when we see an increasing spike in anti—social behaviour, but sometimes it feels like anti—social behaviour can be just not ignored by the police. >> but not given the priority it deserves. and it's a real nuisance . we all know that we nuisance. we all know that we can see things that escalate and in certain cases, as in this one where they get completely out of hand and obviously end in tragedy. darren newlove tragedy. but what darren newlove is talking about here is the support for victims, because this is something that can go on

for a very long time, have significant consequences, and the support doesn't quite seem to there . the amount of to be there. the amount of support that they so you support that they so when you have kind of issue, can have this kind of issue, can there be some inclusion in this bill to ensure that the support services are unlocked for the victims appropriately and quickly? because that's the key thing. >> and she's saying, if after the third time you've had an incident of anti—social behaviour, that's when the police to respond , because police have to respond, because we know sometimes there can be dozens of incidents of anti—social behaviour. the police don't respond. are you saying it should be three? and i think that's not bad. saying it should be three? and i thirtheiat's not bad. saying it should be three? and i thirthe otherot bad. saying it should be three? and i thirthe other cut ad. saying it should be three? and i thirthe other cut off andrew, >> the other cut off andrew, because you've support for because you've got a support for the be out. where is the victims. be out. where is the victims. be out. where is the prioritisation for the police a very police now? this is a very difficult conversation because as soon as you start stepping into want police to into we want the police to prioritise is it knife prioritise this or is it knife crime or is it homicide ? i've crime or is it homicide? i've had these conversations before when i worked at city hall and i'd be in the room when you had the commissioner in and, you know, really know, we'd be saying we really want out and the want this sorted out and the police saying, well, police would be saying, well, what all these other

what about all these other things? is priority things? where is the priority line? putting on line? so putting numbers on things a bit tricky things i think is a bit tricky because it depends on the impact of behaviour. if of the actual behaviour. if it's, pollution or it's, say, noise pollution or some kids being rowdy on the street, three occurrences may not be the right point to trigger it. but if there's something more vital going on, if there's something more intimidatory, then we really need to. so i think you've got to get the police to focus on the issue sometimes, maybe just one triggers the one incident that triggers the response rather than it's really, i think, so anti—social is a really big issue actually. >> nigel. >> nigel. >> yeah, it affects so many people. yeah >> people may oh, >> and people may think, oh, it's very serious, but if it it's not very serious, but if it is noise outside your is constant noise outside your front door, a gang of front door, if it is a gang of lads are. yeah, terrorising lads who are. yeah, terrorising somebody, problem. >> and do think that cars >> and i do think that cars where i disagree with, with carlevaris, i you should carlevaris, i think you should actually figure on it. actually put a figure on it. i mean, i mean, she's mean, i mean, what she's actually suggesting it actually suggesting is if it happens three will happens three times, you will get so will get victim support. so that will immediately police immediately click in the police will then take it more seriously because obviously it's then a

constant and it seems to be if you don't set some kind of benchmark mark for when you get intervention, it just won't happen. yeah. intervention, it just won't happen.yeah.so intervention, it just won't happen. yeah. so on the basis of that, i don't think think three times outside your own home, especially considering what happened to her husband. yeah. he was kicked to death. he was kicked to death outside. >> were vandalising his car. >> were vandalising his car. >> that's right. >> that's right. >> kicked in front of >> kicked to death in front of his own daughter. >> the thing >> and obviously, the thing about behaviour is about anti—social behaviour is it anyway. so on it can escalate anyway. so on the basis of that, think that the basis of that, i think that what suggesting what she's suggesting makes sense. it's not too onerous. i take point about where do take the point about where do police sort of prioritise things, but when something like this happens, i do think that they need to intervene. >> you talk to some police, they say they spend far too much time acting as social workers and far too time on computer too much time on computer screens so—called screens looking for so—called hate . yes. and because hate crimes. yes. and because what we really want them is out in the community. covid. >> well, it's the bobbies on the beat. yeah, we've cliches many times. >> it's a cliche, but people want it. >> the visibility. police >> the visibility. yes. police on sometimes that's

>> the visibility. yes. police on to sometimes that's >> the visibility. yes. police on to sthistimes that's >> the visibility. yes. police on to sthistimesofiat's enough to stop this kind of activity happening anyway. if people yeah, it's whenever people know. yeah, it's whenever you police car driving you see a police car driving along, have you noticed how the traffic suddenly behaves a lot better, down? yes. now, if better, slows down? yes. now, if you saw a policeman or woman or, you saw a policeman or woman or, you beat, you know, officer on the beat, you know, officer on the beat, you have notice and you just have that notice and you just have that notice and you a bit safer as well. you feel a bit safer as well. yeah.i you feel a bit safer as well. yeah. i don't know. when i last saw officers just casually walking along, i wonder what. >> and i love the police. i don't mean this to sound as derogatory as it's going to sound, but we have appalling rape, conviction rates, house burglary was something about 100% burglaries were 100% of house burglaries were not in various. not solved in various. >> there's a story in the sun today. 70% of car thefts. they don't even bother. >> so they're not doing burglary . not solving car theft. . they're not solving car theft. what are they doing? >> and the metropolitan police commissioner said every burglary would be investigated. he can't deliver that. but no, because deliver on that. but no, because there are so many of them shoplifting obviously that shoplifting and obviously that there no deterrent if there is no deterrent value if you actually solve the you don't actually solve the things deter future ones. >> and all that happens is they just increase. >> yeah. and been talked

>> yeah. and we've been talked to on this programme about to a lot on this programme about shoplifting. if you get the co—op having particularly co—op is having a particularly bad unless quid's bad time. and unless 200 quid's worth they're worth is nicked, they're not interested. worth is nicked, they're not interestecso again that you've >> yeah. so again that you've got actually deal with got to actually deal with it. deal it. right from the deal with it. right from the start. i mean, i was in the, in my local supermarket market and suddenly a fight broke out. actually, was all staged so actually, it was all staged so a gang could come in and whip stuff the shelves . i didn't stuff off the shelves. i didn't see a policeman turn up after that at all. >> i think do have to listen >> i think we do have to listen to forces and understand to the forces and understand where is their time going, because they know where they're having their behind having to use their time behind desks, all desks, filling out forms. all the processes and everything else and say, what can we do to help them to get more visible policing? yeah, it is the old adage bobbies on the beat, but more visible policing helps in all things . yeah, right. >> let's talk about prince harry. yes, a little bit harry. yes, it's a little bit complicated, this nigel, because no action against the home office, didn't he? after a decision to not allow him to have royal effectively armed protection when he's in the uk. yeah. he lost that case. he's

appealed. and he's lost again. what does he do now? >> well, he's been given leave to appeal. appeal again to for all this i mean the judge was devastated about his case saying it pathetic. it was pathetic. >> yes , but but but still >> yes, yes, but but but still but still says he actually but still says that he actually have another appeal. >> mean, the issue here is >> i mean, the issue here is that , every, every >> i mean, the issue here is that, every, every public figure, whoever it might be, they're assessed about the risk to their, to their life. so what happens in, in prince harry's case, if he's over in britain, there will be an assessment to say whether he's in danger or not, if he's not, then the then the amount, the amount of protection goes down, then commensurate to the risk you face. i mean, look at someone like salman rushdie. yeah. here here a fatwa here was somebody who a fatwa was issued against him. he had close protection for a long time that began to disappear. and now look what's happened. he's lost an eye, been stabbed , that kind an eye, been stabbed, that kind of thing. so if someone rushdie ever came back here to britain, he would then get a level of

protection which he deserves to have. >> should he have just briefly covid. >> i will forever have a soft spot for prince harry, and i think we have a duty to keep him safe when he's in britain , but safe when he's in britain, but if he's on public duties, he will be kept safe. covid it's the level protection he'll the level of protection he'll he'll and as as nigel he'll need. and as as nigel says, it depends also on the level of threat there and at level of threat there is. and at the we there's the moment we know there's a high of threat. so as long high level of threat. so as long as we say we have the right level of protection that keep me safe, would happen, andrew, safe, what would happen, andrew, if happen him if something did happen to him while was here? so let's while he was here? so let's think it way. think of it that way. >> yeah. okay. we need to move on, . thank much on, gentlemen. thank you so much for tatiana for that. for now, tatiana sanchez your news headlines . sanchez has your news headlines. >> beth. thank you. the top stories this hour. rishi sunak is due to speak to benjamin netanyahu later about a de—escalation of hostilities with iran amid concerns the crisis could spiral out of control despite continued calls for restraint from across the

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>> and we are rooting for her because we don't want we want her to win. >> well, it's going to be joined by owen . she's now a by crystal owen. she's now a road safety campaigner her road safety campaigner after her son harvey died in a car crash in november. she's going to be in november. she's going to be in with us and we're in the studio with us and we're talking about whether young drivers be to

gb news. >> and this would be a very special interview because joining us in the studio is crystal. now. she's a road safety campaigner whose son, harvey, was only 17 when he died. his friends in died. alongside his friends in their crashed car in snowdonia in november. there's a move now for amongst to change the law to stop qualified drivers, stop newly qualified drivers, especially teenagers, from having in the car. having passengers in the car. crystal is with us now. crystal, lovely for you to be with us and very brave of you to talk to us because this must still be incredibly raw. yeah. >> and i find it sad that three parents have to do this and that

ihave parents have to do this and that i have to be here so soon. it's sad that we have to fight this cause that has been talked about for many years, and that's for so many years, and that's why i'm doing it now. >> just a couple of days ago, there were three lads killed in a car crash. staples corner in west other car involved. >> yeah, it happens when you're actually and you actually aware of it and you zone it. it's actually zone into it. it's actually every few days. i know that in the weeks that harvey the few weeks that harvey and his friends died, i actually counted people . counted 11 young people. >> and i know you still have to be a little delicate around the events, the inquest is events, because the inquest is still but you could still going on. but if you could just us back to that day a just take us back to that day a little and harvey getting in little bit and harvey getting in the car as a passenger. little bit and harvey getting in the yeah.; a passenger. little bit and harvey getting in the yeah. so passenger. little bit and harvey getting in the yeah. so harveyjer. little bit and harvey getting in the yeah. so harvey was going >> yeah. so harvey was going away on a weekend with friends, which , first weekend away, he which, first weekend away, he not long turned 17, obviously. try and give him a bit of freedom. i had some proof of where he was going the first evening, and he told me the dad was driving. i had no reason to doubt because we knew all doubt this because we knew all his friends, or so thought, his friends, or so we thought, and harvey wasn't even even

interested in driving at the time . so, i let him go thinking time. so, i let him go thinking he was being driven there by a responsible adult. and it turns out this wasn't the case. it was a driver. so after the a young driver. so after the first staying where he first night, staying where he said he was seeing evidence of where he was, and they then set off for a camping trip. and it was on a rural road, on a bend. and four boys in a car. so there are four times more likely to crash with passengers. 1 in 5 drivers crash in the new year, and rural roads were actually 72% likely to crash. so 72% more likely to crash. so yeah, and how experienced was the driver? how long had he had his licence for, i can't talk about anything like that at the moment because the inquest. but it was a novice driver. yeah. >> so, so for you. so there is this talk now, about this talk now, chris, about changing imperative changing the law. how imperative is it ? is it? >> it's crucial. it's literally a national at the a national emergency at the moment . like it's been talked moment. like it's been talked about for so long. and yet nothing's been done. and it's the leading cause of killer of killer of, death and young

people and the leading cause of death in typekit worldwide government today, having a big vote in the comments about smoking. >> they, the government wants to stop 15 year olds being ever to 15, ever being able to buy fags. noble ambition. but they could save a lot more lives if they intervened . yeah, well. intervened. yeah, well. >> and this law, what got me talking so soon was the day after i actually heard that, because i thought it was madness when i thought of it. that actually, like, a young driver can fill car passengers can fill a car with passengers so when know so early on, and when we know there's like inexperienced there's like so inexperienced and young, which is two factors that obviously go against them. so then when i heard that it was in australia, i like so in australia, i was like so shocked that hadn't shocked that we hadn't even looked and then i was looked into it. and then i was even shocked thinking, even more shocked thinking, well, actually, no, this is in so many other countries and in every it's been every single country it's been implemented, it has worked and it's save lives it's proven to save lives between and so it's and between 20 and 40. so it's and it would save the economy £200 million a year around that mark. it would put less pressure on the nhs, would save a lot of

grieving families. >> yeah, this is it. and it's the you know, it's people say it's restrictive yet how restrictive. you know , if you restrictive. you know, if you lose your life, how much more restrictive can you get. >> and what you're arguing for is a six month period of time as a new driver or more. >> well, the petition, we >> well, on the petition, we actually 12 months just actually put 12 months just because research, like because from the research, like we say with the 1 in 5 new learners, passed and so crashing in the first year, that's, that's where we've got the evidence from and what we've put on petition. but we just on the petition. but we just want it talked about really, like we, you know, even if government like halfway government matters like halfway and included elements and included some elements of the license, would the graduated license, it would save the age range save lives. so the age range we've up to 25 and we've we've put up to 25 and that's only for the first. like i it's not up until the age i say, it's not up until the age of 25. it's people under that age . and there's lots science age. and there's lots of science behind that's why. behind that. why? that's why. that's . that's the age. >> because boys >> and that's because boys brains, boys, is brains, particularly boys, is boys , but their brains don't boys, but their brains don't develop until they're 25. so in terms a risk assessment or terms of a risk assessment or impulse control. >> say, oh impulse control. >> say, 0h , impulse control. >> say, oh , i'm an >> so people say, oh, i'm an aduh >> so people say, oh, i'm an adult of that age. it's not

fair. we can alcohol. you fair. we can buy alcohol. you can alcohol, but you can't can buy alcohol, but you can't kill with alcohol. kill anybody with the alcohol. like literally the like you're literally behind the wheel lethal weapon. and wheel of a lethal weapon. and that's thing. it's that's the thing. and it's actually people say about actually like people say about the economy. and and so it the economy. and so and so it would like young would actually like enable young people like it people to, to drive more like it would actually would help with insurance, the cost of insurance, the cost of insurance, like at the moment, that's, that's i mean, a young man behind the wheel of a car is more is lethal than a young more is more lethal than a young man a knife. man wielding a knife. >> crowded street. >> exactly. in a crowded street. >> exactly. in a crowded street. >> kills more people >> exactly. it kills more people than . than knife crime. >> about harvey. >> tell us about harvey. >> tell us about harvey. >> was honestly just. i know >> he was honestly just. i know everyone says about their everyone says that about their child, was an absolutely child, but he was an absolutely gorgeous he he just gorgeous boy. he he was just so kind. do anything for kind. he would do anything for anyone. he was like an old anyone. he he was like an old soul. so loved all his, like, soul. so he loved all his, like, gerry rafferty, beatles, gerry rafferty, the beatles, jimi would spend gerry rafferty, the beatles, jimi on would spend gerry rafferty, the beatles, jimi on his would spend gerry rafferty, the beatles, jimi on his guitaryuld spend gerry rafferty, the beatles, jimi on his guitar . ld spend gerry rafferty, the beatles, jimi on his guitar. hespend gerry rafferty, the beatles, jimi on his guitar. he wasd hours on his guitar. he was usually always at home if he was either at work, college or at the gym recently. but, always at home. >> eh t he studying ? what >> what was he studying? what was he hoping to? >> doing a—levels. he he >> he was doing a—levels. he he did to hospitality , but did want to do hospitality, but he didn't want to do the waiting on so he was his on part of it. so he was his dreams of the future to open an

italian themed and italian themed restaurant and sell breads, because he also worked shop worked at a local pizza shop and it must be conflicting emotions for the for you, particularly in the immediate aftermath. >> because have a son that's >> because i have a son that's only just turned 20 and they are a unto themselves, and a law unto themselves, and there's much can do there's only so much you can do to their decision making to control their decision making process . yeah, and i can't process. yeah, and i can't imagine what that have been imagine what that must have been like get the call, because like to get the call, because you kind of furious with them as well making that choice. well for making that choice. >> i am. well, and >> i am. well, i was and i wasn't. i knew that in he they weren't doing anything wrong. you thing. and you know, that's the thing. and i 101 i think like i, i've got 101 texts on phone to harvey like texts on my phone to harvey like every day. what time are you back work? have got back from work? have you got your earphones know. your earphones out? you know. yeah. your on. because no yeah. your helmet on. because no matter i told him, matter how much i told him, every i called him on his every time i called him on his bike, he'd not have his bike, he'd he'd not have his helmet couldn't helmet on. and you just couldn't get him, you know? get it through to him, you know? and he came his bike and boy, he came off his bike and he'd say, oh, i've been cycling but just cycling for years, but they just couldn't. can't get through couldn't. you can't get through now learned more now what? i've learned more about brain. now what? i've learned more aunderstand brain. now what? i've learned more aunderstand why, brain. now what? i've learned more a understand why, b not i understand why, and it's not just, it's easier as a just, you know, it's easier as a parent get frustrated, but parent to get frustrated, but actually, it's not their fault.

and this is what we're saying actually, it's not their fault. and the is what we're saying actually, it's not their fault. and the is withe we're saying actually, it's not their fault. and the is withe driving.ying with the with the driving. it's just protect them. just trying to protect them. so they're so the they're they're young. so the science is against them but also their so them their inexperience. so them two things it's about things together. it's just about protecting protecting protecting them and protecting their protecting protecting them and protecting their else. protecting everybody else. >> need to listen to >> ministers need to listen to people like you because this is a terrible tragedy that's been acted out in homes every week . acted out in homes every week. >> yeah. they also need to listen to the top behavioural experts and the research from other countries, all the evidence is in favour of this. the rac have recently done a research into the impact on work and employment . all the all the and employment. all the all the things that people think, there's exemptions in other countries so young parents could take their own children. >> what can people do to help you? >> crystal. they can sign the petition. so the easy way to find it is young driver petition. it's actually a petition. it's actually a petition progressive petition for a progressive driving license. but young driver sign driver petition. they can sign that. you speak to your that. and you speak to your children, and this isn't always enough. unfortunately, that's what we know. we've got people and we've set up a forget me

family. not families, not uniting group. and this is for bereaved parents who've all lost children due to this law not being in place. and we've got young people in group that young people in that group that were to about after were spoken to about after harvey's crash and still went on to did they really just to crash. did they really just due to due to inexperience, car full, nothing. you know not they're not to blame. yeah >> if this is going to make you want to wrap your you've got three other children now one of them's 20. yeah. daughter you're going want them even going to want to wrap them even more cotton wool aren't you. more in cotton wool aren't you. >> why i'm doing it >> well this is why i'm doing it now. i do want this now. because i do not want this to debated in years to to be still debated in years to come. frustrated much. come. it frustrated me so much. and only been doing this a and i've only been doing this a short time. and other short time. and for the other families, we've got, we've got a couple group who've been couple in our group who've been campaigning for 40 years. oh, no. why are we no. and why? like, why are we having ourselves through having to put ourselves through this years you really this and years when you really delve it? i say, it's delve into it? like i say, it's just most frustrating thing eve r. >> even >> and so obvious really, >> and it's so obvious really, when think about it, the when you think about it, the government time. government spend so much time. the ban brilliant the smoking ban is a brilliant example trying to keep us example of trying to keep us safe, to save from safe, trying to save us from ourselves. help ourselves. well, can you help ourselves. well, can you help our young people because

our young people please? because as times when our young people please? because as need times when our young people please? because as need the times when our young people please? because as need the governmentes when our young people please? because as need the government to when our young people please? because as need the government to step we need the government to step in us. in and help us. >> debating this >> if they've been debating this for cars are much for 40 years, cars are much faster now. >> well the driving age >> exactly. well the driving age was 100 years ago. and also there's about there's the talking about smoking stuff. smoking and alcohol and stuff. there's our group there's somebody in our group whose after the whose son was killed after the driver car on facebook driver brought a car on facebook the day before. £100, driving the day before. £100, no driving licence, driving licence, never taken a driving lesson, a lesson in lesson, never taken a lesson in his able buy his life. and was able to buy that car kill somebody. and that car and kill somebody. and this thing. there's all this is the thing. there's all these loopholes why these loopholes and things. why are not given the are car crashes not given the attention that all other deaths are well , good luck with your are well, good luck with your campaign. >> it's a terrific campaign. and our love and support to you and your family. >> thank you. i think i think mothers like you who out of bad try to create good is amazing. thank you so much . thank you. thank you so much. thank you. right. you're going to have to talk now. >> yeah. any moment now. school in north run in north london, run by britain's strictest headteacher will find if it's been will find out if it's been deemed discriminatory its will find out if it's been deeroni discriminatory its will find out if it's been deeron prayerminatory its will find out if it's been deeron prayer ritualsy its will find out if it's been deeron prayer rituals by its will find out if it's been deeron prayer rituals by the s ban on prayer rituals by the high court. they want have. high court. they want to have. it's taken by a muslim it's been taken by a muslim family right

gb news. now, those vegans have always telling us, aren't they? how marvellous their diet is the pinnacle of good health. but i think they be wrong. think they might be wrong. >> suspected they >> i've always suspected they might well, a new might be wrong. well, a new report found that report has found that fake sausages and burgers no sausages and burgers are no better than meat. better for the heart than meat. >> they were even found to cause worse blood pressure. so that explains beverley turner's temperament. >> i'm definitely not vegan. >> i'm definitely not vegan. >> so we're only we're only we're joined now by vegan comedian dave turner. dave you've been found out it's no good for you. bad blood pressure, bad for your heart. just have a proper sausage . just have a proper sausage. >> man, i love how happy you are that this is shown. how bad the vegan diet is. i love that we're thrilled. >> we're feeling a little bit, pleased with ourselves because we've vindicated sceptical .

we've vindicated sceptical. >> well, can i can i absolutely point out you don't have to. it's not mandatory. you don't have to eat these . have to eat these. >> it feels like it. oh, i'll hang on, dave, let me pull you up on that. i went to a coffee shop at the weekend with my girls to get myself a latte and a little snack for and on a little snack for them, and on sale lovely looking sale with these lovely looking chocolate cookies . vegan. chocolate chip cookies. vegan. and i said the how and so i said to the woman, how rubbish vegan chocolate rubbish are you vegan chocolate chip and she said, chip cookies? and she said, actually, right . and actually, they're all right. and i said, do you have any that aren't vegan? she said, no. and i said, oh, in that case, i'll have piece carrot cake, have a piece of carrot cake, please. say it's not please. because you say it's not mandatory, it's becoming mandatory. >> it's and also, that is >> it's not. and also, that is the sales person i've ever the worst sales person i've ever heard in the world. like, how could he be there? all right. they'll do. i think that . yeah. they'll do. i think that. yeah. go on. >> she's probably honest. go on. >> she's probably honest. go on. >> i like that. well, look, look, you don't have to eat these , vegan substitutes. these, vegan substitutes. i think we can all agree. fruit and veg generally quite good for your diet, but it's the headline to this is that you can be an

unhealthy vegan. i don't think that's shocking. anyway, i find it mad that go on just so people know what the report says. >> producing these plant based meat alternatives often involves a substantial of a substantial amount of processing. they can be products can be high in salt, saturated fat and additives to match the taste and texture of real meat products. you've been found out, dave , but i think the big dave, but i think the big difference between , being a difference between, being a vegan and not being a vegan is i know i'm better than you, and i think that's the biggest difference , that i can sustain difference, that i can sustain myself on my own superiority . myself on my own superiority. >> so give us an idea of what you eat in a typical day. then dave, as a vegan, well, this is what i find really funny, is my diet's actually terrible because like, think that vegans like, people think that vegans are like really thin, but actually it's a lot of bread, a lot of hummus , a lot of falafels. >> like, actually like i when i went vegan , i put on loads of went vegan, i put on loads of weight because it's actually really stodgy, fatty really stodgy, starchy, fatty foods. processed food, it's all

>> the processed food, it's all the processed food you're eating i >> -- >> yeah. and also, i will absolutely admit some of the processed food. amazing. but a lot of vegan cheese that like i will put my hands up that vegan cheese is terrible . there's no cheese is terrible. there's no substitute for the proper thing. oh, brilliant. >> thank you so much. brilliant comedian. he happens to be a vegan. we'll forgive him . dave vegan. we'll forgive him. dave chauner right. we've got chauner there. right. we've got breaking is about the breaking news this is about the michaela community school in london. >> no , we brought you this story >> no, we brought you this story a couple of months ago. >> well, katharine birbalsingh has court has lost her high court challenge its ban. no, challenge against its ban. no, we're sorry, it is breaking news. the muslim students has lost the case. >> i said the school would win. >> i said the school would win. >> katharine birbalsingh has won. we'll tell you all about it in a minute. >> victory! >> victory! >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello and welcome to the latest weather update from the

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gb news. >> breaking news this morning . >> breaking news this morning. great news. you remember we brought this to you in january. this is the michaela school in north london. they have been found not to be discriminatory for its ban on prayer rituals by the high court. >> now, this was a muslim pew

student challenged the ban on prayer at school. she said it was discriminatory and uniquely affected her faith. but the judge in his ruling said she knew the rules when she went to the school . there is no prayer the school. there is no prayer for any group in that school and katharine birbalsingh has won this case. she's one of the most significant headteachers in britain . britain. >> she's amazing. she's my hero. i love the way that she teaches those students that school is the most successful across the country of the country in terms of the improvement when they arrive in year compared the year seven, compared to the results they get when they leave. after doing a levels, she did to gb news in january did speak to gb news in january when this action was first taken to court. here's what she said. then we all need to recognise that all of us need to make sacrifices for the betterment of the whole, so that we can all get on and that schools play such an important part of this. >> now, obviously , if your >> now, obviously, if your school is one where the children

roam corridors and the roam the corridors and the children do whatever they like dunng i children do whatever they like during i suppose you during lunch, then i suppose you might choose to have a prayer room and that's fine. you know, i'm suggesting that i'm not suggesting that all schools have prayer i'm not suggesting that all schoolbut have prayer i'm not suggesting that all schoolbut i have prayer i'm not suggesting that all schoolbut i do have prayer i'm not suggesting that all schoolbut i do thinkve prayer i'm not suggesting that all schoolbut i do think that prayer i'm not suggesting that all schoolbut i do think that ifayer i'm not suggesting that all schoolbut i do think that if a er room, but i do think that if a school's ethos is such and building is such that they cannot have prayer then cannot have a prayer room, then they allowed to not they should be allowed to not have a prayer room. having have a prayer room. i'm having to right now. they to support staff right now. they come frightened. come and see me very frightened. they're really scared. and gosh, last year my goodness , i mean last year my goodness, i mean that that was the worst, it was , that that was the worst, it was, i mean, they're they're it's not right that, a headteacher or teachers should be put under that kind of stress because they're just trying to do their jobs. >> and this is a very huge is significant. the court saying the head teacher can run the school the way she wants to. really important. because if she lost this case, it must be every chance she might have gone quick. the judge is also said, by the that the head by the way, that the head teacher , katharine birbalsingh, teacher, katharine birbalsingh, have justified

have been justified in suspending based on suspending this student based on the account of a teacher that she'd been rude and defiant over the rail. the prayer rail. >> yeah, katharine birbalsingh argument has always been every child must child in my school must compromise based on their faith. there are christian children who don't revision on the don't want to do revision on the sundays. tough, there were sundays. well, tough, there were some children, think , sikh some children, i think, sikh children didn't want to eat some children, i think, sikh childion didn't want to eat some children, i think, sikh childion a didn't want to eat some children, i think, sikh childion a friday.i't want to eat some children, i think, sikh childion a friday. i want to eat some children, i think, sikh childion a friday. i think to eat some children, i think, sikh childion a friday. i think it eat eggs on a friday. i think it was. anyway, sorry. maybe jewish kids on a saturday. jewish sabbath ? that's right. sabbath? that's right. >> so i to a school event. >> everyone compromises and i don't divide by faith. and if i have to give a muslim prayer room at lunchtime for 300 children, undermines the children, it undermines the ethos school. it will ethos of my school. it will cause chaos, and it would take away do these lovely away the need to do these lovely lunches they do, they lunches that they do, where they bnng lunches that they do, where they bring theo bring everyone together. theo chikomba is outside the high court what happened ? court now. theo, what happened? >> yeah, in the last few >> yeah, well, in the last few moments, we have learned that a muslim student has lost its challenge that it brought against the school that they attended. michaela, a community school in brenton , north—west school in brenton, north—west london, after claiming that the

policy that they had on prayer was uniquely affecting her faith, and saying that with prayer as one of its five pillars, now , just last year pillars, now, just last year there were reports of students who were who were praying on the school grounds and using blazers on the floor during school time. now, there was a two day hearing which took place here at the high court , and the court heard high court, and the court heard how the school allegedly had its stance of kind of discrimination , which makes religious minorities feel alienated from society. but the school did defend its policy, with a lawyer for the school saying it argued against it, saying it's justified and proportionate after it faced death threats and bomb threats linked to religious observations at on site. at that school. and also during that two day hearing, the headteacher posted a lengthy explanation

regarding their decision, saying that where children of all races and religions can thrive, this is the this is a decision that is the this is a decision that is benefiting everybody and they don't want the school to become a secular school. now the school itself has around 700 pupils and roughly half of them are muslim theo chikomba they're outside the high court with this ruling. >> let us know your thoughts this morning. >> absolutely. no. that katharine birbalsingh will be hard in school, hard at work in her school, doing does best, doing what she does best, teaching teaching teaching great, teaching kids. >> the stress of >> she talks about the stress of last year, particularly at the end 23. there were there were threats. >> there were death threats, unked >> there were death threats, linked decision to refuse >> there were death threats, lingive decision to refuse >> there were death threats, lingive in decision to refuse >> there were death threats, lingive in to decision to refuse >> there were death threats, lingive in to the :ision to refuse >> there were death threats, lingive in to the demandrefuse >> there were death threats, lingive in to the demand for, ;e >> there were death threats, lingive in to the demand for, a to give in to the demand for, a muslim prayer room , let's speak muslim prayer room, let's speak now to doctor taj hargey, who is the founder of the oxford institute for british islam, good morning, taj. thank you for joining us, do you take this as a triumph of unity? actually and a triumph of unity? actually and a means of avoiding more division in schools?

>> this is very heartwarming news. >> i mean, for years, the muslim fanatics and radicals have just been spouting the rhetoric of being foreign and outsiders and being foreign and outsiders and being aliens to this society. >> no muslims need to become integrated, inclusive and part and parcel of this society. so the news today is really, really inspirational because it, puts the brakes on all types of fanaticism and extremism and what many people don't know. yes muslims are required to pray five times a day, but how many non—muslims know that you could actually postpone the prayers, for example? so if you're at school during lunch time , you school during lunch time, you can come home in afternoon after school and you make up that prayer. this applies both to adults children . so this adults and to children. so this idea that it has to be done dunng idea that it has to be done during school hours is nonsense. and when we have countries like morocco saudi and morocco and saudi arabia and various other places, don't insist children insist on children praying dunng insist on children praying during the school hours, why is it necessary for some, some of the people backing the student have been, as you know, taj, very vocal and very critical of

the head teacher. >> it's difficult to, >> but it's difficult to, i think, to accuse her of discrimination when she has appued discrimination when she has applied the same rule to all faiths . faiths. >> absolutely. she should be congratulated for having a standards that apply across the board. you know, you we can't make exceptions, whether for hindus or jews or christians or muslims or whatever . what's muslims or whatever. what's going to happen to this, cohesiveness? all talk about cohesiveness? we all talk about cohesion in the society and how it is such a huge problem because it's fraying at the edges. and when we have catherine and others catherine birbalsingh and others trying about a, a trying to bring about a, a united, uniform society, school, we should be applauding her. and so this is fantastic news, and i hope that, people will, like you and others will really make this point that, yes, prayers are required, but muslims can postpone these prayers to later in the day when they're available. for example, i'm a heart surgeon, which i'm not, but i'm a heart surgeon and i have to deal with someone who's really a big issue. and

really having a big issue. and this is during the prayer time. so what do i do? do i pray, or do i treat my patients? no, i, i treat my patient. and so islam is this flexible thing. it's just these, wahhabis fanatics and other saudis, extremists that are insisting that we should be following to the to the letter when it's islam is actually much more, accommodating than this. >> taj schools, i always think are a bit of a microcosm of our wider country and society, actually. and katharine birbalsingh talks very eloquently about having to proactively bring people together in the school from different faiths and different religions . otherwise, she says, religions. otherwise, she says, her playground would be little tribes children who don't tribes of children who don't play tribes of children who don't play with each other. what do we learn from her about how we do that our wider community? that with our wider community? in encouraging integration? >> i mean, she knocking heads together with sort of, velvet gloves, you know, i mean, we're bringing dragging them kicking and screaming. but some people,

because especially muslim parents, teach their parents, they teach their children, there's a de—man us that, you know, the them are all going to hell and the us, we are going to hell and the us, we are going to hell and the us, we are going to heaven and so this type of indoctrination and conditioning and brainwashing katharine birbalsingh comes about with this , a lunchtime get about with this, a lunchtime get togethers where people are are sitting next to each other and, next to other people of other faiths. this is a wonderful thing. and we should be applauding this, and we should be giving her a medal. in fact, i don't know why she had been made dame yet. made a dame yet. >> well, do you on >> yeah, well, do you on a broader point, taj, she'd broader point, taj, if she'd lost , and broader point, taj, if she'd lost, and that broader point, taj, if she'd lost , and that that broader point, taj, if she'd lost, and that that had been enforced, it could be that that rule could then be applied to every school in the country . every school in the country. >> i mean, i think your presenter, i can't remember her name. you actually said, she had lost at the beginning of the. >> yes. yes »- >> yes. yes >> i'm sorry. the breaking news came and we both it >> i'm sorry. the breaking news canwrong and we both it >> i'm sorry. the breaking news canwrongand around. it the wrong way around. >> anyway. >> anyway. >> when you said that >> yeah. when you said that i had my heart actually sank at that moment. oh, my

that precise moment. oh, my lord, oh my lord, you know so, so, so i think this is a great moment for britain and for muslims, because muslims need to be told in no uncertain terms that if you want to live here, you need to do the three eyes. and what are the three eyes? you've got to become inclusive. you've got to become inclusive. you've become integrated . you've got to become integrated. and lastly, and in inverted commas, you have to become indigenous , meaning you could be indigenous, meaning you could be part and parcel of this society. so are promoting the three so we are promoting the three eyes islam inclusivity, eyes of islam inclusivity, integration and indigeneity. i think this is very important. >> and we know tied to that some schools, this has been a problem with some people who set themselves up as muslim community leaders. we know there's the midlands there's a school in the midlands where is in where a teacher is still in hiding, had the hiding, because he had the temerity a cartoon of the temerity to use a cartoon of the prophet lesson , a prophet muhammad in a lesson, a lesson which he taught in that school times before . school many times before. >> yeah, i mean, look, this idea that can't show a picture, that you can't show a picture, a cartoon, a photo of muhammad is nowhere to be found in the quran. in fact, all of these

things there are non—quranic and quranic. mean, idea of quranic. i mean, this idea of a woman covering her hair, the hijab, it's not required in the quran. this thing about women covering their faces not required in the quran. men having . a big wild bushy beards. having. a big wild bushy beards. not in the quran . so in fact, not in the quran. so in fact, when you look at anything that muslims say that is part of their faith, non—muslims, people like you in the media need to examine find is this examine and find out. is this actually part of islam, or is this part of culture masquerading as faith? >> just going to say so >> i was just going to say so when we do see people in full face burkas and the beards and stuff that is importing a culture from certain countries as what their as opposed to what is in their religion and you would say, well, that is not the culture that we have . here how do we that we have. here how do we push back against it, though, taj? well, i think we then we need to really make the differentiation and teach muslims to make a differentiation culture differentiation between culture and two are same.

>> the two are not the same. customs and religion are not the same and need to same. and they need to understand that customs understand that their customs from or from bangladesh or pakistan or saudi whether they saudi arabia, or whether they come not islam that come from that is not islam that is cultural is purely cultural and traditional got no basis traditional and has got no basis as far as scriptural foundation is concerned , so if you had is concerned, so if you had a message to the family, the, the family supporting this student, taj, what would it be? >> well, i'll tell them very respectfully , yes, children, respectfully, yes, children, adults should pray. this is part of our faith, but do we have to do it at lunchtime? because there's only one prayer at school. okay, this is the lunchtime prayer, the early morning, one late afternoon evening night prayer doesn't fall on this school hours. so we'll ask them very respectfully. why can't this young lady or young man pray when she comes home? because this is allowed in the faith. there's no nothing in the faith that says you must actually do it at the stipulated time. the only i would add, only proviso i would add, though, and i, we should be honest, is the friday

honest, is that the friday prayers, just like the 11:00 ce of service on a sunday, the friday prayer is a 1:00 prayer, throughout . the muslim world, throughout. the muslim world, i mean the midday prayer. now, those children, i don't know what the solution should be, but , and that's a mandatory prayer. the others are by the way, are flexible and individual and can do it whenever it suits you in terms of your personal skills. schedule. but the friday prayer we to ask , one way of doing we need to ask, one way of doing deaung we need to ask, one way of doing dealing with this is that you lengthen the school day during monday to thursday , and then you monday to thursday, and then you shorten the day on friday, to about 1230. and then the muslims can go have their prayers and the rest can go home. >> we're short on time, but i'm interested in your own just briefly, how are you briefly, how unpopular are you amongst some elements of the muslim community? >> exceedingly. i'm labelled as a heretic and as a non—muslim and so forth. but this is this is par for the course. when they don't have answers, you say, i

argue my perspective based on the quran. can give chapter the quran. i can give chapter and they cannot. so when and verse. they cannot. so when they cannot do that, their only recourse is to call me a non—believer. and so i don't really take that seriously because it's my duty as both as a muslim and as a brit to say, listen, this is not what is required from my religion. >> okay? well, listen, we thank you . doctor taj from the, he's you. doctor taj from the, he's the founder of the oxford institute for british islam. and you know what i want to thank him for particularly post the reason bringing people together. him for particularly post the rea�*yeah,inging people together. him for particularly post the rea�*yeah, yeah, people together. him for particularly post the rea�*yeah, yeah, bringle together. him for particularly post the rea�*yeah, yeah, bring people her. together. >> reasons to together. >> we need more reasons to get on people, not fight with them. >> and how fascinating it them. >:not d how fascinating it them. >:not setow fascinating it them. >:not set in fascinating it them. >:not set in tabletsting it them. >:not set in tablets ofg it them. >:not set in tablets of stone it is not set in tablets of stone that to have that that they have to have that prayer , a prayer to pray at prayer, a prayer to pray at lunchtime. can do it. she lunchtime. they can do it. she can when she gets home. can do it when she gets home. i wonder she does. can do it when she gets home. i worand she does. can do it when she gets home. i worand sh> and that distinction between culture religious is culture and religious faith is absolutely critical. >> we're going to have more reaction to this big court reaction to this huge big court verdict today if you're just tuning in listening on the tuning in or listening on the radio. birbalsingh , radio. katharine birbalsingh, who's the head teacher of the michaela khalife school in north london, won, and defeated

london, has won, and defeated a move by a student to insist that there has to be a prayer room for muslim prayer at lunchtime in the school syllabus, and the court has backed the headteacher. 100% was an important victory. >> this is britain's newsroom gb news richard tice.

>> 1117 the britain's newsroom. gb news andrew fryston bev turner the panel back. former adviser to boris johnson, lord covid and gb news senior political commentator, nigel nelson. we're going to carry on talking katharine talking about katharine birbalsingh nigel, birbalsingh things when. nigel, with her. >> yes, i think it's absolutely right that a head teacher should decide how his or her school operates. yeah, so provided that you that you're banning prayer or any religious religious,

penodsin or any religious religious, periods in school, for everybody . yeah. >> which she's done. >> which she's done. >> which she's done. >> which which she did. that is fine. if you don't want to send your child to that particular school, then you find a different school where you can go and pray . go and pray. >> and the judge in his ruling said that the student who took the case to court was fully aware of the school's rules when she and so , that's what she joined, and so, that's what i mean. >> you go you go to a different school. i mean, if you if you choose to go to a church of england school, you will have a, a religious assembly which will be based on the church of england. roman england. same with the roman catholic and so it goes catholic school. and so it goes on. can decide whether on. parents can decide whether they want that to for they want that to happen for their child . yeah. if you go to their child. yeah. if you go to a school has a different a school which has a different kind ethos and turns around kind of ethos and turns around and not having and says, no, we're not having any it at all for any any of it at all for any religious then that religious group, then that school has the right to do that. >> covid there may have been sikhs at that school. we're not i'm not sure. highly likely. there are. it's part of north

london wembley area. how london in the wembley area. how do you would would it be an issue of offence to you if issue of great offence to you if your sikh children at that school and they weren't allowed to because to pray? no no, because i actually find religion in schools slightly challenging. >> i'm, you know, at the >> i'm, you know, i was at the in an era when we went to school back then, we'd stand outside. those of us who were non—christian, outside of assembly , and we always wondered assembly, and we always wondered what was what was going on inside. there's something inside. but there's something about what they. >> deliberately >> were you deliberately excluded choose to excluded or did you choose to excluded or did you choose to exclude yourself? >> asked we wanted to >> we were asked if we wanted to stand we could go in. stand outside. we could go in. right. it's like that, right. but it's much like that, actually lord's, where actually at the lord's, where prayers in the commons actually at the lord's, where praye|morning in the commons actually at the lord's, where praye|morning and:he commons actually at the lord's, where praye|morning and youzommons actually at the lord's, where praye|morning and you cannons actually at the lord's, where praye|morning and you can choose every morning and you can choose if you want be inside for if you want to be inside for prayers or not. yeah. and i think that's an option. but in school, is not just about school, this is not just about this case. it's about authority . this case. it's about authority. authority of the school to run its school as it sees fit. katharine birbalsingh has made a stand and she's tackled and she does quite regularly now a stand for common sense, her approach.

and if we have people challenging the authority of the school to say, well , we're just school to say, well, we're just not happy in how this school is being run in a manner that says we want it to bend to our will, we want it to bend to our will, we end up in a sort of chaos that says, everybody can say , i that says, everybody can say, i want this, i want that, and you can't have a set approach to education. >> yeah, but we just we just heard then from the guy who founded the oxford institute of british islam, and he was saying that he is unpopular because he talks about wanting more people to come together. and he doesn't like this. what he described as a sort of a fundamentalist mindset around islam, which manages to gain ground repeatedly. and we've had 13 years of conservative rule here, and we've got the situation where this pupil feels so sufficiently empowered in this country as a muslim girl, that she can take her headmistress to school , backed by forces within school, backed by forces within her community who are paying for

that, who want to see that happen. that's happened under a conservative government who've had this issue. had their eye off this issue. i think i know exactly what you're saying, because that's of saying, because that's kind of the trying to make. the point i was trying to make. >> better. yes. >> you've made it better. yes. i think the authority we need to look where authority stands look at where authority stands and who can challenge it and how they can challenge it, and what society achieve. society is trying to achieve. we've dare i say , in we've seen this, dare i say, in the demonstrations, policing of demonstrations at the moment, you know, where is the authority, how is the police? all of these things are challenging. those structures, whether it's policing, whether it's education, and we need to be firm in how these structures work. and accept that they have their decisions and they operate in a manner that, yes, they can be challenged. obviously, if there are things going wrong. but fundamentally they need to there are things going wrong. bu�*consistent 1tally they need to there are things going wrong. bu�*consistent and( they need to there are things going wrong. bu�*consistent and they( need to there are things going wrong. bu�*consistent and they need! to there are things going wrong. bu�*consistent and they need t0) be consistent and they need to be consistent and they need to be respected. and unless they're doing something fundamentally wrong, then you can challenge it. in this case, it was just a case of they're not happy of how the school is approaching their

their own religion and also, nigel, the disturbing thing about this, okay, the parents can have their issue with the way katharine birbalsingh runs a school, death threat by a school, but a death threat by a bomb threat. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> mean, it it was >> i mean, it was it was appalling. what the fallout from there. i of there. i think i sort of disagree about disagree with bev a bit about the to court. i the student who went to court. i think student has every think the student has every right to court. it's just right to go to court. it's just the court in this case made the right decision. >> gosh. but the schools could be the courts could be cluttered with all the issues that i had when i was at school with what i didn't like about the school. >> it's what what do >> i mean, it's what what do you go court for? yeah. and go to court for? yeah. and i think have really examine think we have to really examine that rightly, that because quite rightly, as andrew says, we're to our andrew says, we're going to our courts full anyway in terms courts are full anyway in terms of are through. of cases that are going through. you've all vexatious you've got all these vexatious and more things, but they must have a right. >> i mean, the point is there must to challenge it. must be a right to challenge it. and think that in sense, and i think that in a sense, this student that through this student did do that through the teachers association. the parent teachers association. well, yeah, the parent teachers association. wel may yeah, the parent teachers association. wel may start yeah, the parent teachers association. wel may start there. yeah, the parent teachers association. wel may start there. and yeah, the parent teachers association. wel may start there. and you ah, you may start there. and you wouldn't have anywhere wouldn't have got anywhere with katharine birbalsingh on that.

but position but she made a position absolutely clear, the one thing the done has made the court has done has made a ruling apply ruling that will apply effectively whole effectively to the whole country. important to country. so it was important to get of law sorted get this principle of law sorted out. point about out. and that's my point about it. yes. you can't stop people objecting to it. it's just that, in this case, the court came to the right decision. >> i'll give you a quote, nigel, this was actually i've just dug out an article that i wrote for gb news. com and we'll put this on in january, and on this was in january, and we'll this back the we'll put this back on the website today. i think. but she says tend just stick says people tend to just stick with their own. and then you end up schools you have up with schools where you have the hindu kids here, the muslim kids the black caribbean kids there, the black caribbean kids there, the black caribbean kids and black kids there, and the black african and on. african kids there and so on. and those of divisions and those kind of divisions aren't helpful, not if you want and those kind of divisions a|multiculturalnot if you want and those kind of divisions a|multicultural society)u want and those kind of divisions a|multicultural society to want a multicultural society to succeed. you don't hear anybody ever that. covid aren't succeed. you don't hear anybody ever moreat. covid aren't succeed. you don't hear anybody ever more head)vid aren't succeed. you don't hear anybody ever more head teachers aren't succeed. you don't hear anybody ever more head teachers feeling there more head teachers feeling brave say that? you brave enough to say that? you shouldn't have to feel brave to say that it's amazing you're having to say she's brave. >> yeah. to say something that we can all see or she can see.

and i think that's because she's afraid or afraid of being cancelled or being afraid of being taken to court on saying things. >> how has that happened under a conservative government for 13 years? >> i think you're right about, but i think society has changed broadly . and whether it's up to broadly. and whether it's up to politicians to regulate society . politicians to regulate society. or whether it's society to say this is where we are, i think we need to keep testing ourselves. we weren't going to get it. but there's french there's a piece by dawn french today, the daily mirror, which she's talking about, it's she's talking about, how it's courageous she courageous to speak out, how she feels that scared ed feels that people are scared ed because cancel culture. yet because of cancel culture. yet we calls we live in a society that calls itself inclusive and more itself more inclusive and more open to freedom speech than open to freedom of speech than ever so there's ever before. so there's a contradiction here that's going on, and we have to hold the mirror up to ourselves and say, are we happy about it? >> and that's all feeds into it, doesn't it? i mean, that's quite right what dawn french is saying. i mean, she felt if she was speaking out, wouldn't was speaking out, she wouldn't get yes, was speaking out, she wouldn't getyes, i mean that i think what >> yes, i mean that i think what her message was can we all

her message was was can we all be kinder? was the be a bit kinder? that was the way that . i interpreted what she way that. i interpreted what she was talking about. i mean, i think on the on the school front, a lot of head teachers are doing what we're talking about here, that my daughter went to a church of england school, head's mission school, but the head's mission was to empower muslim girls. was to empower the muslim girls. so kind of so you didn't have those kind of gaps playground where gaps in the playground where everyone gravitated or everyone gravitated to one or the other, that it was inclusive. of is inclusive. and that kind of is what be trying to achieve. >> and those prayer sessions at lunchtime there there were lunchtime there were there were church services church of england services assemblies in the morning, religious part those. >> kids took part in those. >> kids took part in those. >> them . the same >> it's up to them. the same thing that that calvi was talking about. >> she gone other >> if she had gone the other way, sort way, covid what sort of precedent would . it have set? precedent would. it have set? this could then, there would have been a clamour. maybe we have been a clamour. maybe we have to have a muslim prayer room in commercial room in every commercial building, building. room in every commercial building! building. room in every commercial building! think building. room in every commercial building! think we've building. room in every commercial building! think we've we'veing. room in every commercial building! think we've we've had >> and i think we've we've had some of that happening already happen the name of happen already in the name of inclusivity. various

inclusivity. we have various different things to accommodate faiths. in one way, that's a good thing. sure. respecting other people's religions, faiths, traditions. faiths, their traditions. but i think to be there's think we've got to be there's a balance. and that's why this ruling, as nigel says, even though i'm not keen for this kind of court case to be taken forward, clear forward, yes, it sets a clear precedent this not going precedent that this is not going . to happen in schools. heads are going to be allowed to do what they need to do, and maybe that's a message that goes out into broader society as well. we should this ruling, should learn from this ruling, and we hear soon from the and i hope we hear soon from the secretary state for secretary of state for education, gillian keegan. >> breath or >> i'm not holding my breath or the to welcome the prime minister to welcome this such this because it is such an important ruling. >> yes. >> yes. >> well, i mean, it will will >> well, i mean, it will it will apply >> well, i mean, it will it will apply schools. that's apply to all schools. that's the point. a point. you've now got a precedent set here. yeah, and so that should now apply to every school land. that should now apply to every sch doctor land. that should now apply to every sch doctor tosh nd. that should now apply to every sch doctor tosh we spoke to >> doctor tosh we spoke to earlier. nigel, the founder earlier. nigel, he's the founder of institute for of the oxford institute for british we need of the oxford institute for br make we need of the oxford institute for br make a we need of the oxford institute for br make a very we need of the oxford institute for br make a very clear we need of the oxford institute for br make a very clear distinction to make a very clear distinction between in between culture, that is, in muslim women muslim countries, as in women having covered, having their faces covered, men necessarily needing beards, whatever the culture and the

religion, we very rarely do that. we are frightened to do that. we are frightened to do that. i don't like seeing women walk through the westfield shopping centre every weekend with eyes with nothing but their eyes on show, that has become show, and that has become commonplace in shepherd's bush, i i find the burqa . i find i find the burqa. uncomfortable for that reason, not being able to see someone's face equally , i do do appreciate face equally, i do do appreciate their right to wear it. >> i don't see a problem with that. i mean, you know, unlike france, where they try and ban it, it's cultural. it, but it's cultural. >> not in the quran. >> not in the quran. >> well, yes, depends >> yeah, well, yes, it depends which the, the, the he which part of the, the, the he said not in there. yeah. said it's not in there. yeah. and you also mentioned which i thought was interesting about cartoons is about, about pictures of prophet muhammad pictures of the prophet muhammad in only in hiding. yeah, and the only thing say that is thing i would say about that is that, would be wise avoid that, it would be wise to avoid offence. people offence. why offend people unnecessarily, rather than go into the theology of it was what he was talking about offending christians for thousands, hundreds of years. >> but shows. but ryan moving. >> well, if anything, that shows that a fairly that christianity is a fairly robust , it can take it,

robust religion, it can take it, can take it and it can take a joke . well, a lot of a lot of joke. well, a lot of a lot of islam can't take a joke. it may be because it came 500 laters. the community the christianity community leaders who've been causing trouble can't trouble at this school who can't take joke. take the joke. >> most muslims can, but we're now confusing various issues there. >> i was talking about, i think out of respect for that religion , you do try and avoid cartoons any any kind of image of the prophet muhammad, which is considered blasphemous, except thatis considered blasphemous, except that is completely at odds with a with a british culture, which would be that everybody and anybody is fair game because comedy satire comedy particularly, and satire is important part of our. is a very important part of our. but i'm back to the be the, the be bit and be respectful bit. >> you see i don't read this as be kind what dawn french has said about you covid but what dawn french has said here, i don't hear his saying be kind. i think saying we should all think she's saying we should all be allowed what we want. be allowed to say what we want. >> i agree, but she also >> yeah, i agree, but she also says as well. says say don't know as well. >> i think that >> i mean i think that yeah, she's that are having

she's saying that we are having to we are being scared. she's saying that we are having to yeah. are being scared. she's saying that we are having to yeah. we being scared. she's saying that we are having to yeah. we can't| scared. she's saying that we are having to yeah. we can't speakd. she's saying that we are having to yeah. we can't speak out. >> yeah. we can't speak out. yeah. and that's not right. and because fearful of being because we're fearful of being cancelled getting cancelled and not getting work and how society and etc. etc. and how society will and think that's will react. and i think that's what saying. being what she's saying. she's being brave so i agree brave saying that. so i agree with you. think she's with you. i don't think she's saying she's saying saying be kind. she's saying society more society needs to be more tolerant. society to tolerant. yes, society needs to accept their accept people can have their views. and that's views. yeah. and i think that's the religion. yeah. the same with religion. yeah. look on christianity i look although on christianity i would know, there would say, you know, there are films like life and films like life of brian and various other things which were seen when they various other things which were seen out. when they various other things which were seen out. but, when they various other things which were seen out. but, you when they various other things which were seen out. but, you know,n they came out. but, you know, eventually you move on. i think people to have people should be able to have their religion, their faith and how want it, people how they want it, but people don't. show respect don't. people can show respect to should also be to them, but they should also be robust having to robust enough in not having to take people say take offence. if people say something, it's not something, as long as it's not intentional. as long as intentional. yeah, as long as it's not intending to offend. and we get into and this is where we get into that sort what are you trying? >> the cartoons have been used as a in teaching in as a device in teaching in schools years. nigel. schools for years. nigel. >> mean, i'm not sure >> well, i mean, i'm not sure the policy that particular the policy at that particular school in the first school was right in the first place. i mean, know that place. i mean, if you know that you going to offend a number you are going to offend a number of people , and seriously offend of people, and seriously offend them because they think it is,

blasphemous to show images. them because they think it is, blasphemous to show images . of blasphemous to show images. of the prophet, i do think you have to respect that you still discuss it. there's no reason you can't discuss in class what has happened with the cartoons, what what what happened in denmark, what happened at in france, i'm not sure. very clever idea to sure. it's a very clever idea to show them. >> right. so, catherine birbalsingh damehood. at the very , i think just for very least, i think not just for this but her constant this andrew, but her constant ability fight for is ability to fight for what is right and what is common sense. >> and as dawn french has put to be brave and speak out. yeah. >> and she , she and she's been >> and she, she and she's been subjected to vicious abuse and she's going to get a load more today. >> yes. and i did see her recently. she was she was at a book launch in the house of lords. i congratulate her on lords. and i congratulate her on being consistent on being determined and being robust in a world where it's really hard to be those things. >> she's fearless, and i think it's a triumph . we've got to go. it's a triumph. we've got to go. >> damian will be good for her.

yep. >> i'm going. >> i'm going. >> well, we've got to move on. i'm sorry. yeah right. tatiana's waiting very patiently. here she is with the headlines. >> beth, thank you and good morning. first, a recap of the news from the high court this morning, where a muslim students challenge against a london school's ban on prayer rituals has been rejected . the student has been rejected. the student argued that the ban at michaela community school was discriminatory and unlawfully breached her right to religious freedom. however, the school said allowing prayers risked security threats and could undermine social cohesion among pupils. the judge upheld the school's position, highlighting safety concerns and the need to maintain a stable learning environment . the education environment. the education secretary says today's ruling should give all school leaders confidence to make the right decisions for their pupils . in decisions for their pupils. in other news, a woman has been

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force other students to pray. and it had become ramadan massive and one of the massive thing and one of the girls was forcing other girls in the to do ramadan and not eat. >> so the children were sitting there and she was noticing the kids that weren't eating and saying, come here, why aren't you eating well? she says, i have to do ramadan or i'm not a good enough muslim. this particular group children, particular group of children, they all sorts of, they were causing all sorts of, isn't good? they were causing all sorts of, isn't authorities do have some >> our authorities do have some authority >> our authorities do have some aut well, excellent, it's >> well, it's excellent, it's a rare of example of an adult rare sort of example of an adult in room, an adult in room. >> but is this significant. >> but is this a significant. >> but is this a significant. >> significant moment, >> it's a significant moment, isn't it really is isn't it, because it really is pushing i think it is pushing back. i think it is gone.the pushing back. i think it is gone. the other way. it would have catastrophic. have been catastrophic. >> in the >> well, we're talking in the newsroom people did newsroom lots of people did think other way, think it would go the other way, because these things tend to. but actually we've upheld that because these things tend to. but spirit lly we've upheld that because these things tend to. but spirit lly a 'e've upheld that because these things tend to. but spirit lly a 'e've upandi that the spirit of a school and a headteachers trump headteachers decision can trump one single parent student and their parents. yeah, you know, and the judge making the point that the student and the family were well aware of that school's

ethos when she arrived. >> but don't get too happy, because while there's a good news there, we're news story, there, we're going to westminster to zoom across to westminster council bad council where there is a bad news those that are news story for those that are becoming citizens, there becoming british citizens, there is that, you is a ceremony that, once you obtain citizenship , you obtain your citizenship, you shake hand of official shake the hand of the official thatis shake the hand of the official that is granting you said citizenship. not if you're in westminster. know westminster. you don't know you've option to opt out you've got the option to opt out of the hand a woman . of shaking the hand of a woman. >> it's. absolutely. >> it's. absolutely. >> and this is is, again, >> and this is this is, again, this is this cultural issue . this is this cultural issue. this is a new thing. >> earlier council in westminster. so it was we've had charlie peters digging into this. >> yeah . it was the case when it >> yeah. it was the case when it was conservative controlled. there was no opt out for, for shaking hands with a woman or with someone of the opposite sex. labour in last year in sex. labour got in last year in may and they option for may and they added an option for if want to become a british if you want to become a british citizenship, you can avoid shaking . the hand of a woman. shaking. the hand of a woman. >> this is the new, bright new future. when keir starmer gets in. i'm sorry if you are saying it is he.

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>> good morning. it's 1140 >> good morning. it's1140 with britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and bev turner. >> and we have broad smiles on our face because it's fantastic. breaking news the hour breaking news in the last hour that in london, the that school in north london, the michaela community school, has won case against student won its case against the student who force the who was trying to force the school introduce at lunchtime school to introduce at lunchtime muslim prayers. no other prayers are allowed in the school. >> that's right. and it was all about about the fact that it would happen at lunchtime and that would disrupt what? katharine birbalsingh. the head sees as a very important part of their school day, which is that she says , my pupils break bread

she says, my pupils break bread together, she sits them around and some of them will serve, and they will the water, and they will pour the water, and they will pour the water, and they talk, and they don't they will talk, and they don't have she's very strict they will talk, and they don't haymobile she's very strict they will talk, and they don't haymobile phones.. very strict they will talk, and they don't haymobile phones. anotherict they will talk, and they don't haymobile phones. another thing on mobile phones. another thing i love about her, and she said that she had to a that if she had to provide a parent at parent a prayer room at lunchtime, that change all lunchtime, that would change all of joined of that. so we're joined now by sheikh ramzi oxford sheikh ramzi of the oxford islamic centre, good morning, sheikh ramzi. great to see you. so your reaction to this news that katharine birbalsingh has won case and her won her court case and her decision not discriminate . decision is not discriminate. >> three, i believe i believe it is it is a discriminatory i believe, of course, they have a right to students . in my right to students. in my opinion, the students have a right, especially if . of course, right, especially if. of course, is in the month of ramadan or so. if they want to get together and to pray, of course, with a reasonable reason, you know, what they should give, they, what they should give, why they, we pray in this time, in we want to pray in this time, in this in time. it is this time, in this time. it is very important we respect the all religion. they

all the religion. and if they wanted and respect the right of the you . don't just the students, you. don't just slap the students mouth and they say, no, we don't want it because of this, because of this, you have to cooperate with them. very important to them. it is very important to cooperate used to be, of cooperate with, i used to be, of course, of course, the head of education of muslim britain for muslim council of britain for a number tried to number of years. and we tried to bnng number of years. and we tried to bring schools, in the, bring all the schools, in the, all schools, their prayer all the schools, their prayer room and schools and universities, colleges and all prayer rooms and it was right. and they had a rule and regulation to however, regulation to do. however, the students, school run by a students, the school run by a students, the school run by a students without the students there is not a school. if they wanted to do something, they have to come and cooperate. the head teacher should supposed to cope right with them and say, okay, if you want, for example, five minutes sheikh ramzy, the school should be run by the head teacher, the students. no, teacher, not the students. no, the students are very the their students are very important. the school they should that's that's should is that that's our that's our, that's our differences. if

the school and the student does not get to a school head teachers or the governors does not get the with the students , not get the with the students, that there is not going to be a school, there have to be cooperation. if there is cooperation, there is no school. >> and the cooperation is that cooperation, there is no school. >> archild cooperation is that cooperation, there is no school. >> archild ofoperation is that cooperation, there is no school. >> archild of everytion is that cooperation, there is no school. >> archild of every religion|at every child of every religion compromises that compromises in some way at that school. why the muslim school. so why should the muslim children not compromise? >> should compromise . >> no, they should compromise. of course i, i haven't, i haven't looked at all all the, all the details which is there. but i think in my opinion, if there especially of there are especially month of ramadan , which is a very ramadan, which is a very important, very important for them to pray in the right time for the christian children, not important for the children. >> it is important for children, it is for its each one. >> you have to remember each one has a different role and regulation . the christian have regulation. the christian have a different role and regulation timing for a prayer. the jewish, the jewish, the hindus, the sikhism they are different. and

as soon as it comes to the muslim, you say no, no, no no, no. >> and yet it's only the muslim child that's taken this to court. >> you're right. because all the other faiths in school, other faiths in that school, there have compromised . there are many have compromised. and it's taken this one girl paid for and driven by who knows from the community to change the ethos of that school and to bend the will of the head. and i'm delighted to say that it is it. >> it is wrong. no, the school again, i said the school, you have remember the school and have to remember the school and the teachers have to work together. she it together. it is she find it in a right i'm sure. of right way. i'm not very sure. of course. what's happened? course. again what's happened? she right way which course. again what's happened? she have right way which course. again what's happened? she have a right way which course. again what's happened? she have a grounday which course. again what's happened? she have a grounday take1 course. again what's happened? she have a grounday take it to have have a ground to take it to court they take it to court. court and they take it to court. but unfortunately, course, but unfortunately, of course, the i don't know, but unfortunately, of course, the our i don't know, but unfortunately, of course, the our muslim don't know, but unfortunately, of course, the our muslim andt know, but unfortunately, of course, the our muslim and muslim at because our muslim and muslim at the degraded the moment been degraded very, very country. and very badly in this country. and every everything you say, say, or muslim and you shouldn't or your muslim and you shouldn't do i would have thought that do it, i would have thought that i have thought they have do it, i would have thought that i compromise. ought they have do it, i would have thought that i compromise. ouhasthey have to compromise. it has to compromise them. compromise with them. >> the judge, >> sheikh ramzi, the judge, was quite clear in the ruling that

this that when this student joined this school, she was fully aware, as was the family, of the ethos of the school and the rules and regulations of the school. they suit her school. if they didn't suit her and family, there were and her family, there were alternative she could and her family, there were alterrgone she could and her family, there were alterrgone to. she could and her family, there were alterrgone to. why she could and her family, there were alterrgone to. why go |e could and her family, there were alterrgone to. why go to :ould and her family, there were alterrgone to. why go to :oischool have gone to. why go to a school and deliberately try and and then deliberately try and disrupt working successfully? >> is . not it is not. she successfully? >> is. not it is not. she has >> it is. not it is not. she has she has a right to a say in the school. and i do not believe, i do not believe the head teacher should should have suspended. suspended her. they have to come. it not just muslim come. is it not just a muslim sheikh, all. sheikh, is all. >> the judge clear about >> the judge was clear about that. she very rude that. he said she was very rude to teachers. why rude. to teachers. that's why rude. >> that's a different of what a rude being a rude. >> he upheld that. rude? you must read the ruling, judge sheikh. you must read the ruling. >> let me ask you this. the other factor of this, of course, is that this child had received £150,000 of taxpayers money in legal to legal aid to take this case to court, that's right. court, as well. that's right. would like see muslim would you like to see a muslim prayer single

prayer room in every single school in country? school in this country? >> yes, course it has to be >> yes, of course it has to be the law. >> we! p- e a and even a p— >> it's not a and even a police station is a or if a school or a establishment 300 to 400 establishment got a 300 to 400 people, they come in and people, which they come in and go in like a police or so. and so they have to have by the law, they have to have a facilities which is not just a muslim prayer room. it is called a, interfaith prayer room or multi—faith prayer room , which multi—faith prayer room, which we have all has to have. if you haven't you should they haven't got it, you should they should put it. otherwise, we are we are under a one law. we are all under a one law. there's a university. got the airport, got anywhere you can see not only just a muslim . have see not only just a muslim. have again, multi—faith prayer. >> is the law. >> is the law. >> okay. we thank you very much. sheikh ramzi of the oxford islamic centre . thank you for islamic centre. thank you for your reaction this morning. islamic centre. thank you for youtwonction this morning. islamic centre. thank you for youtwo people|is morning. islamic centre. thank you for youtwo people from yrning. islamic centre. thank you for youtwo people from yrnir same city >> two people from the same city taking completely conflicting views. two men very learned in the faith of islam. >> well, it feels like common sense is triumph this morning and a judgement for unity rather

than

gb news. >> where? we're going to cross to brussels now. where nigel farage is delivering the keynote speech. nigel farage for this parish. the parish. of course, at the national conference parish. of course, at the na brussels. conference parish. of course, at the néigoodels. conference parish. of course, at the néigood afternoon, conference parish. of course, at the néigood afternoon, everybody ce parish. of course, at the néigood afternoon, everybody .a >> good afternoon, everybody. the last time i was officially in brussels was on the 30th of january 2020. it was the day before we were due to leave the european union and i wave my flag in the parliament. >> they cut the microphone off because alternative views have never been particularly welcome here. and this is my first official visit back and i'd like to say that it's really to good be back in brussels and that things have improved , but things have improved, but clearly they've actually got rather worse. what has happened over the course of the last 48

hours is simply monstrous. this is national conservatism. there are people coming on this platform from over the course of these two days, representing political parties that will top the polls in their country in the polls in their country in the european elections of june this year, hopefully nine countries. but who knows? it may be more than that. we have, of course, viktor orban from hungary appearing on this platform as well. and yet . platform as well. and yet. i mean, i knew i wouldn't be welcome back in brussels and having one venue cancel. well, okay, i can live with that. but for two venues to cancel is absolutely outrageous. and what you may or may not know in the audience now is that this venue, which accepted this booking last night and we give huge thanks to the tunisian owner of this

business for his courage in allowing free speech to take place . but what is happening as place. but what is happening as we speak is he is receiving phone calls from the local mayor. the police are being encouraged to come in and shut down this conference. they have even been speaking to the caterers so the food hasn't arrived , the plates haven't arrived, the plates haven't arrived. worst of all, the dnnks arrived. worst of all, the drinks haven't arrived . but i drinks haven't arrived. but i shouldn't make a joke of it because they have told this tunisian owner who believes in free speech that if he carries on with this conference, they'll make sure he goes . out of make sure he goes. out of business. his wife is being threatened. this is what we're up against. we are up against an evil ideology. we are up against the form of communism . this

the new form of communism. this is nothing less than that. and if anything ever , if anything if anything ever, if anything ever said to me that brexit was the right thing to do, that leaving this place, regaining our national sovereignty , even our national sovereignty, even if we could have carried it out better, that recognising that you cannot be an independent, democratic, self—governing nafion democratic, self—governing nation state and a member of this monstrous union with its ideology behind it today, has told me i should never forget it. we were right to leave, no question . but of course, none of question. but of course, none of this comes as much of a shock to me because for my last few years here, i found life had become pretty intolerable . there were pretty intolerable. there were restaurants that wouldn't serve me coffee bars opposite the

parliament, that wouldn't serve me a cup of coffee. going into work in the morning, and even the even the hack pub up by the pub even the hack pub up by the pub even the hack pub up by the commission which the european commission which should have had a sign on it saying sponsored by ukip . given saying sponsored by ukip. given the amount of money we spend there over the years, even the landlord of my local pub in brussels, which we frequented and we mixed with people who work with the european commission, even mr juncker would pop in from time to time, and i never caused a scene, never had a row. we were just out after work, going for a drink. even the pub , even the drink. even the pub, even the publican said to me one day, nigel, i'm sorry, you can't come here anymore. otherwise the european will put a european commission will put a boycott on our premises. so i know all about cancel culture. i know all about cancel culture. i know all about venue culture and what may have come as a shock to many of you today, and perhaps hopefully to friends in the hopefully to our friends in the

press, doesn't surprise me at all because you see, when we talk about european union, when we talk about the building of a new global superpower , when we new global superpower, when we talk about brussels as the epicentre of the globalist project , no alternative view is project, no alternative view is allowed . no alternative view is allowed. no alternative view is tolerated. it's quite acceptable. of course , to say acceptable. of course, to say that you're sceptical, that you think perhaps integration is happening too quickly . all of happening too quickly. all of thatis happening too quickly. all of that is perfectly allowed. but to question the very basis upon which all of this, all of this is done is unacceptable. i think tony blair summed up the european union to me in the best way of anybody in modern times. he said that it was a project of peace, and if we go back getting on now for 80 years to the end

of world war two, the argument that there should be a forum in which european countries should get together , the argument that get together, the argument that the more people trade with each other, or as some would say , the other, or as some would say, the higher levels of intercourse that occur between countries, but i'm not sure that always works , that that leads to less works, that that leads to less likelihood of war. and it's right, isn't it? if you likelihood of war. and it's right, isn't it ? if you trade right, isn't it? if you trade with each other, you are far less likely to go to war with each other. so we understand why the idea of a closer european body be it, you know, a european council or a european economic community, we understand why these things came into being in 1945 after two monstrous wars in the space of 30 years. but it wasn't very long, of course, before it was all hijacked. and it was there in the small print

in the treaty of rome. and i'll come back to those treaties in a moment. but tony blair said this was a project of peace. it is now a project of power. and how right blair was. it is a project of power. it is a project that salami sliced by salami slice takes away the power of the individual nation state and hands it to those that% her and those really at the centre with real power are, of course, those that are not elected . now. that are not elected. now. i used to have enormous fun with mr barroso when he was commission president, when for some reason they put me in seat number 20 in the european parliament in strasbourg and brussels with the commission president in seat number 21. and this went on for over a decade.

and i honestly think that i enjoyed my time in the european parliament more than anybody else in the room did. they felt quite often , i think, quite often, i think, discomforted by me. but mr barroso used to say, but nigel farage is wrong. i was elected, i was elected by the european parliament. well, technically that's true, but guess how many candidates we had to choose from? one. and this is their idea of democratic accountability . it is a idea of democratic accountability. it is a big battle, but you have to recognise something. what has happened here in this epicentre of globalism is the coming together of a new unholy trinity. it is the trinity of big politics, of big business, and in particular of big banks . and in particular of big banks. and having been through my own de—banking crisis over the

course of the last year, i can tell you they've become highly politicised to the european union economically is good for big global businesses. it builds a regulatory framework that makes it difficult if not impossible, for small and medium sized challenges to come up and break through in those industries. it's why if you go to royal waterloo golf club on almost any day of the week , you almost any day of the week, you will find people who work for the commission whose names you don't know, who have no chance of ever being fired, who will earn more than your national countries prime minister with a pension deal that almost doesn't exist in the modern world. and they'll be playing golf with lobbyists. they'll be playing golf with the big banks, they'll be playing golf with the big manufacturers, because never before , never before has

before, never before has a system been designed where the big companies can effectively, through the commission, write the rules for their own industry. this is the monstrosity that we're up against. anyone that tells you that the european union is about free trade, forget it . it's free trade, forget it. it's actually a protectionist bloc that looks after a few big corporate companies . why else corporate companies. why else would the farcical high representative for foreign affairs , european commission affairs, european commission vice president joseph borelli , vice president joseph borelli, why else would he, following . why else would he, following. 350 rock its cruise missiles and drones that were fired at the state of israel beyond the phone the next morning to the iranian foreign minister saying there, there, there . that was really there, there. that was really naughty of you , but