gb news. way. >> good evening. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. your top story this hour. mark menzies has announced his resignation from the tory party saying he won't be standing at the next election. the fylde mp was suspended following claims he used political donations to cover medical expenses and pay off bad people who had locked him in a flat. he disputes the allegations, though. following an investigation, the conservative party says it can't conclude there was a misuse of funds. but said there was a pattern of behaviour that falls below the standards expected of mps . the mayor of london, sadiq mps. the mayor of london, sadiq khan, will meet met commissioner sir mark rowley on tomorrow to discuss community relations

issues. it comes as sir mark rowley is facing calls to quit over his handling of pro—palestinian protests , with pro—palestinian protests, with a former home secretary, suella braverman, suggesting he's emboldened anti—semites. the campaign against anti—semitism is also calling for sir mark to resign or be sacked, after its chief executive was described as openly jewish by an officer. the met police have now responded in a statement, saying the assistant commissioner, matt twist, has written to gideon falter to offer a private meeting to apologise and discuss what the met can do to ensure jewish londoners feel safe. this evening, the met will also invite senior representatives from across london's jewish communities as officials from the mayor's office and members of the house of lords, and selected media to operational planning exercises. a decision by the us to approve £49 billion in aid for ukraine has been welcomed by the uk, with the foreign secretary describing it as a vital step forward. after

months of wrangling , american months of wrangling, american politicians ended a deadlock, agreeing to provide a package which will also help replenish weapons and munitions . president weapons and munitions. president zelenskyy says the move will keep the war from expanding and will save thousands of lives. it now heads to the senate, which is expected to pass the bill in the next few days, and a record 50,000 people ran the london marathon today, most have now crossed the finishing line after completing the 26.2 mile route, they started just after 10 am, they started just after 10 am, the event raising millions of pounds for charities. our very own gb news political editor , own gb news political editor, chris hope, was one of the many who crossed the finishing line today. >> well, i've done it. i got round 26.2 miles, five hours, eight minutes, but slower than normal for me. had a very sore left hip at some point. that was really hard. but here's the proof. here's the medal. that's why you do this. these kind of things raise , i think, over things raise, i think, over £7,000 for scope. i'll check on

it online later. it's a great cause. it's moving, it's exhausting and it's well worth the effort. and if you're mad like me, want to try and run it.7 >> for the latest story, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen. or go to gbnews.com/alerts. now it's back to free speech nation . it's back to free speech nation. >> the cass review into paediatric gender care has been one of the most important medical reports in recent years, but not everyone is happy about its findings. this is free speech nation . welcome to free speech nation. welcome to free speech nation. welcome to free speech nation. welcome to free speech nation with me andrew doyle. this is the show where we take a look at culture, current affairs and politics. and of course, we'll have the latest from those lovable culture warriors up date with warriors we keep up to date with what to cancel so what they're trying to cancel so you have to. but coming up

you don't have to. but coming up on tonight, the fallout on the show tonight, the fallout continues. following the landmark, into the landmark, cass review into the services nhs to services provided by the nhs to children and people children and young people questioning will questioning their gender, will be findings be analysing the findings with a series guests, including series of guests, including the barrister phillimore . bev barrister sarah phillimore. bev jackson, lgb alliance will jackson, from lgb alliance will be as well to tell us about be here as well to tell us about whether the practices exposed by the amount to an the cass review amount to an attack gay rights. i'll also attack on gay rights. i'll also be joined by barrister robin moira white for an alternative view and doctor carrie mendoza, who's going to join us from the states to examine the reaction to the cass review over there. and, of course, myself and my brilliant will brilliant panel will be answering from our answering questions from our rather audience . rather lovely studio audience. and guests this and my comedian guests this evening cox and lewis evening are paul cox and lewis schaffer, who . welcome both. schaffer, who. welcome both. >> did you run the london marathon today, paul.7 >> i was going to, but, in the end, just watch on a giant bacon wrap. >> yeah, yeah, just. yeah, that was a pig. as a pig, i just let other people do it. yeah i find it's much easier to watch it on the telly. >> it's easier. i learnt that

it's to watch sport than it's easier to watch sport than to occasionally donate. it's easier to watch sport than to (you;ionally donate. it's easier to watch sport than to (you know./ donate. it's easier to watch sport than to (you know. do>nate. it's easier to watch sport than to (you know. do youe. it's easier to watch sport than to (you know. do you a pound. >> you know. do you a pound. >> you know. do you a pound. >> well, that makes you a better person >> well, that makes you a better per itn >> well, that makes you a better perit does >> well, that makes you a better per it does obviously. >> well, that makes you a better perit does obviously. what about >> it does obviously. what about you, lewis? >> imagine running the >> i can imagine you running the marathon two marathons, actually. >> this marathon. won this >> this marathon. i won this marathon? yes, by not running, it's the only way you ever would know it's. you run because when you participate in it, it just creates stress. it's totally bad for your body. it's probably cancer goodness cancer causing. oh, for goodness sake. no seriously. seriously, all stress is bad . all stress is bad. >> including exercise. >> including exercise. >> no, especially exercise . >> no, especially exercise. >> no, especially exercise. >> well, you heard it here first. don't exercise. what a great excuse. okay well, let's go out to our lovely audience. we've got question from paul we've got a question from paul where paul? hi. where is paul? hi. >> for the retraction of the >> hi. for the retraction of the apology the incident. should apology for the incident. should the metropolitan police boss be forced to resign? yes >> so we've all seen the clip, haven't we? i'm sure we've got the clip somewhere, but this is, to do with the met police boss who has put out this statement about what happened when someone was as being openly

was referred to as being openly jewish. can we play the jewish. can we can we play the clip? we'll have a look. are clip? we'll have a look. you are quite openly jewish. >> a pro—palestinian >> this is a pro—palestinian march , right? i'm not accusing march, right? i'm not accusing you anything, but i'm worried you of anything, but i'm worried about reaction your about the reaction to your presence. about the reaction to your pre so ce. was an apology and >> so there was an apology and then there was a subsequent an apology for the apology. it got very confusing. did you have any thoughts on this, paul? >> well, you and i both work with openly jewish people on this know. yes, this channel and we know. yes, how can at how distressing that can be at times, andrew. but the problem we've got here is i don't think actually he should be sacked. i think the met police need to own this now. they've created this two tier policing system , either two tier policing system, either inadvertently or quite deliberately. i'll leave that open to debate. however, now they to own it and they they need to own it and they need to be transparent. i mean, what what that what that what that what that what that police and let's police officer there. and let's not let's, know, let's not not let's, you know, let's not beat around the bush. a beat around the bush. it's a difficult job, right? the way from to bottom, you know, difficult job, right? the way frontheirto bottom, you know, difficult job, right? the way frontheir overlords, you know, difficult job, right? the way frontheir overlords, y0|very»w, and their overlords are very much woke culture much part of the woke culture war. yes. and very much on that side of things . but at the end

side of things. but at the end of the day, how can how can you, how can you accuse someone being openly jewish? >> well, here's the thing. i mean, if you substituted that for any other racial group, you know, it wouldn't even be a conversation, would it? >> black, right? conversation, would it? >> i black, right? conversation, would it? >> i ithisz, right? conversation, would it? >> i ithis is'ight? conversation, would it? >> i ithis is what >> i mean, this is what i'm talking about. the use of talking about. it's the use of the should be a red the language should be a red line anyway. but we've seen this before well. you know, before as well. you know, whenever there's protests and there's someone not even whenever there's protests and ticounter—protest, not even whenever there's protests and ticounter—protest, someone a counter—protest, but someone there attacked, there who might be attacked, they that person they often move that person away. it looks like they're away. and it looks like they're blaming it's blaming that person. it's happened billboard, happened to billboard, chris, who's show. you who's been on this show. you know, the police of know, why are the police sort of dragging people who aren't dragging people away who aren't the the problem of the problem, the problem of those might cause those who might cause the attack, right. >> so quite interestingly, what they're saying by saying that he's provocative, being he's being provocative, by being there is that the protest is dangerous way, is dangerous in some way, which is what they've denied up until now, because it's all been interesting, it's always interesting, because it's always been what they're been peaceful. what they're saying here, been peaceful. what they're sawould here, been peaceful. what they're sawould just here, been peaceful. what they're sawould just one here, been peaceful. what they're sawould just one jewish it would create just one jewish guy create and turn them guy would create and turn them into this nasty mob. it does. >> you know, i understand that the police's is to keep the the police's job is to keep the peace that is peace and that that is difficult, people difficult, but jewish people should walk wherever

should be able to walk wherever they free society. we they want in a free society. we saw this in edinburgh with the guy asked the police to guy being asked by the police to hide star of david. yeah, hide his star of david. yeah, i mean, on, that's not that's mean, come on, that's not that's not 2024 britain, it? not 2024 britain, is it? >> it is unfortunately. what this this what this guy this what this what this guy did, which why he should be did, which is why he should be arrested. basically arrested. is he basically embarrassed? being embarrassed? the cops for being not police the street? >> the man, the jewish man arrested? >> well, if i were the police, i'd him arrested. i'd want him arrested. >> such a contrarian, for >> it's such a contrarian, for goodness sake. >> you what the thing is? >> you know what the thing is? he's speaking openly he's speaking as an openly jewish man yourself. i'm not openly i don't know openly jewish. i don't know where don't wear, don't wear where i don't wear, i don't wear yarmulke. not like some yarmulke. i'm not like some of those jews who like those jews who wear like a flavour flav jewish star on their, all the their, you talk about it all the time. do amongst amongst time. i do amongst amongst people are not going to hit people who are not going to hit me. but i do absolutely no me. okay, but i do absolutely no one i think i've made one i do, and i think i've made a mistake aligning myself a mistake by aligning myself with i'm not even with the jews. i'm not even jewish. italian, i think jewish. i'm italian, and i think it i did become jewish. in it was. i did become jewish. in order to get ahead in the comedy business. >> and the point i'm making is serious true, it not, serious and true, is it not, that people should be able to want to walk wherever they want

in free country? in a free country? >> this is your problem is, >> and this is your problem is, is you're always talking equivalence and fairness. there's this there's no fairness in this country. people are afraid country. the people are afraid of protesters. they're of those protesters. they're not afraid a jews. there are afraid of a few jews. there are so jews in this country, so so few jews in this country, so few jews the world. so. few jews in the world. so. >> point was >> but paul's point was, was interesting, it, that interesting, wasn't it, that they've all along, they've been saying all along, these are peaceful? yeah these marches are peaceful? yeah there's nothing to worry about. well, these are well, if these marches are peaceful, why are they worried about someone who's obviously jewish? you're you make a very good it's not. good point there, but it's not. come sorry. come on. sorry. >> yeah, you've hit the hit. >> yeah, but you've hit the hit. the nail on the head is, is people are afraid of these people are afraid of these people are afraid of these people are marching. they're people who are marching. they're afraid if the cops afraid of it. and if the cops are afraid of it. so if the cops you. you shouldn't fire this quy- you. you shouldn't fire this guy. he's. is he? he's he's guy. he's. what is he? he's he's got he knows can't bring his got he knows he can't bring his troops got he knows he can't bring his trocmaybe afraid because >> maybe they're afraid because of of the anti—semitic of some of the anti—semitic placards are placards that people are carrying that thing, carrying and that kind of thing, or terrorism or like or or terrorism maybe, or like or what's going on around the world historically, the arena historically, or the arena bombing, the bombing, you know, or or the fact as english. i agree fact that we as english. i agree , intimidated. that , people are intimidated. that is let's move on a is true. let's move on to a question from ryan. >> good evening. hello. should mayors shut down the right wing

conferences? >> mayors is in the horses , as >> mayors is in the horses, as in, no, i'm not getting involved in, no, i'm not getting involved in politics as in mayor. >> mayors , mayors of cities. >> mayors, mayors of cities. >> mayors, mayors of cities. >> yes. so this is to do with the natcon conference, of course, in brussels. sorry, i'm being childish. >> no, you're being rude . he >> no, you're being rude. he slept his way all the way here to the studio on a sunday night, and you're like, basically. >> hey, i've slept all my way from the south atlantic ocean. >> it's your show. it's your show. it's so lazy, so, show. it's. it's so lazy, so, this is the natcon conference. of course, in brussels. it was briefly closed down. mayor briefly closed down. the mayor was saying, you know, they want to it because right to shut it down because right wing people were speaking. the police initially carried it out and i mean, you know, people like suella braverman nigel farage, going on? farage, i mean, what's going on? >> idea that being >> well, the idea that being conservative be conservative now should be illegal and shut down is quite preposterous. there's like preposterous. like there's like there's only one side of politics now, and it has to be whatever is dictated by the mob. >> what was the justification here? >> well, the justification there

is no justification. the point is, they just didn't want those voices heard. right. i voices to be heard. right. i think that particular mayor think the that particular mayor was, certain bent was, of a certain bent politically . and he didn't want politically. and he didn't want personally. he didn't want to hear those voices. >> but what i don't understand about that is can he not see that once you set that precedent, it will be used against him in with a when against him in a with a when someone is in charge. someone else is in charge. >> mean, think that he >> i mean, you'd think that he would, because all he's really done given that no one would done is given that no one would have known that was going have known that con was going on. be honest. maybe a few on. let's be honest. maybe a few of us may known, but most of us may have known, but most people known people wouldn't have known it was. have known. yeah. was. we'd have known. yeah. >> there. yeah, yeah, >> nigel was there. yeah, yeah, we knew. >> but i mean is the >> but what i mean is the greater public had no idea, i don't and a result, don't think. and as a result, they all about it. and they now all know about it. and collectively they're all wondering going on. i've wondering what's going on. i've heard the going, heard voices on the left going, well, this is ridiculous. >> well, because, believe it or not, voices not, there are still some voices on who believe that on the left who believe that free speech and free assembly is important. i know they're dwindling but there dwindling in number, but there are still some on the left sticking come louis, sticking out, come on, louis, you're going say that they you're going to say that they should shut it down. i know

should have shut it down. i know that well, it was it's it's that well, it was it's a it's a threat to them. >> i mean, it's part of what i have said for years now. there's a battle, a war going on between nafion a battle, a war going on between nation and team world, nation states and team world, which the is the idea which is the which is the idea of kumbaya german, french of this kumbaya german, french left wing axis with which have no borders, which have no boundaries, which people can do what they want. >> was it team world who was shutting down the. >> yes, it was, it was called it was called a national national conference. conservative right . conference. conservative right. and that and that people are and that has and that people are against the nation state isn't the broader problem that there's a growing intolerance in these times of political tribalism? >> anyone a dissenting >> to anyone with a dissenting point view, isn't point of view, it isn't just that that that you disagree, it's that you're evil and therefore if you're evil and therefore if you're evil, we can justify shutting you down. >> yes, that's true because >> yes, yes, that's true because it's like what you talk about the silos, know, got the silos, you know, you've got to completely one to be in a completely in one silo you're in the other silo. >> and i and i do say, louis, i mean, we see this historically on all sides of the political spectrum. i don't think it's just wing problem. i

just a left wing problem. i think right throughout think the right in throughout history as well. history have done this as well. it just so happens that at the moment, the left are the ones that reason, that for some reason, think authoritarianism the way to go. >> because because here's i'll tell what the explanation tell you what the explanation is. just ask me is is. you should just ask me is ask me. louis is because they're winning. winning. ask me. louis is because they're winning. winning . and winning. they are winning. and they they have they think that they have the weight world and the they think that they have the weightconsciousness and the they think that they have the weightconsciousness on their moral consciousness on their side. there's more them side. and there's more of them than there are. >> okay. well, let's let's get another question now , let's move another question now, let's move on to carol. carol, hello. hello. evening, on to carol. carol, hello. hello. evening , well, the hello. good evening, well, the smoking ban saved the nhs. well yeah, they said no, i know they introduced this in new zealand, hadnt introduced this in new zealand, hadn't they? >> and this is the smoking ban . >> and this is the smoking ban. so effectively it means that if you are born after i think it was 22,007, you won't be able to buy cigarettes as an adult throughout the rest of your life. and they're sort of putting this now. when i heard about the when they introduced this with new zealand, i genuinely that's genuinely thought, that's insane. it wouldn't insane. at least it wouldn't happen here. and i'm not a smoker, by the way, but i, i

like smokers, some of them are okay, aren't they? >> are okay. no, >> millom are okay. no, i actually like being them. actually like being around them. i smell. yeah. it's i like the smell. yeah. it's nice, it's nice, but the thing is, my grandmother used to chain smoke was in smoke around me when i was in the so maybe it's to do the crib, so maybe it's to do with but the thing is, with that. but the thing is, don't think this an odd don't you think this is an odd thing? ultimately this is. thing? that ultimately this is. well, phrase, the nanny well, that phrase, the nanny state overused, but state is kind of overused, but it is true that if the government is saying what you can do with your body, can choose to do with your body, we love nanny state how. >> now. >> i mean, this is beyond the nanny now. this is like nanny state now. this is like authoritarian nanny state. it's like mary poppins. authoritarian nanny state. it's likethisy poppins. authoritarian nanny state. it's likethis is doppins. authoritarian nanny state. it's likethis is theiins. authoritarian nanny state. it's likethis is the conservatives. >> this is the conservatives. >> this is the conservatives. >> after being addicted to crack. >> but what version of mary poppins did you know? >> new one on netflix? >> there's a new one on netflix? andrew, up with it. andrew, you'll catch up with it. but, don't think it does but, so i don't think it does save the nhs, right? i think because the biggest killer isn't cigarettes. what is it? it's fat people. yeah they're not sitting on anyone. i'm not. i'm not going around sitting on people. but heart disease. heart. well, there are all sorts of ways in which you can put a burden on the nhs needlessly. the n hs needlessly. >> the nhs needlessly. >> but alcohol by alcohol is a

much bigger problem. >> absolutely. and i'm a libertarian. i think people should kill should be able to kill themselves however they want. should be able to kill therknow, s however they want. should be able to kill therknow,s how should ey want. should be able to kill therknow,s how should be want.to you know, they should be able to go there. nhs shouldn't go out there. the nhs shouldn't have support that. by the have to support that. by the way, that's my way, that's not my counterargument isn't the counterargument to it isn't the point that it's all very well informing the public the informing the public of the dangers dangers dangers of alcohol, the dangers of ithink dangers of alcohol, the dangers of i think that's fine. and as >> i think that's fine. and as long people are informed, long as people are informed, they can make their choices they can make their own choices properly. what you properly. right but what you can't is the nhs saying, can't have is the nhs saying, we're going treat you if we're not going to treat you if you get ill for something that you've yourself. you've inflicted on yourself. i mean, that could never work, could it? >> they're they're not >> well, they're they're not treating things that we treating us for things that we don't inflict ourselves. don't inflict on ourselves. i mean, the nhs is like famous for not treating people is not treating people well. is that it's like one more that so? so it's like one more thing they're not treating you for. you didn't even realise you were treated. anything were not treated. anything that comes, anything that comes out of going be of new zealand is going to be rubbish. personal. well rubbish. nothing personal. well jacinda, ardern, jacinda, jacinda ardern, shark attacks, lord of attacks, lorde tattoos, lord of the was great. yeah. tattoos. >> anyway, we've got we've got to move on. unfortunately, lewis, enjoying but lewis, i was enjoying that. but we time. but next on we don't have time. but next on free speech nation, we're going to our investigation to be starting our investigation into findings of the

into the findings of the landmark review child landmark cass review into child gender services. and we'll be joined barrister, sarah joined by the barrister, sarah phillimore. go phillimore. so please do not go anywhere.

welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. so, just over a week ago, doctor hilary cass, the former president of the royal college of paediatrics and child health, produced her much awaited review of nhs gender identity of the nhs gender identity services for children and young people. and the report found that evidence base for that the evidence base for gender medicine in young people was thin children had been was thin and children had been let by a toxic public let down by a toxic public discourse gender and it discourse around gender and it also found that the now closed gender identity development service , or the service, or gids, at the tavistock and portman nhs foundation trust, used puberty blockers and cross—sex hormones. despite weak evidence despite remarkably weak evidence that they improved the health of young people . so here to discuss

young people. so here to discuss this, i'm delighted to be joined by the barrister campaigner by the barrister and campaigner sarah the sarah phillimore. welcome to the show . welcome back to the show. show. welcome back to the show. it's always a pleasure to have you.thank it's always a pleasure to have you. thank you, let's talk about the cass review then. what do you think are the most important findings from your perspective? >> i think there's about findings from your perspective? >>recommendations.e's about findings from your perspective? >>recommendations.e's ab oft 31 recommendations. a lot of it is service that is about the service that children because this children need. yes, because this clearly a report saying clearly isn't a report saying being wrong. let's stop being trans is wrong. let's stop it. saying there are lots it. it's saying there are lots of children who are very distressed. current services distressed. the current services are them down. lot are letting them down. so a lot of the recommendations are looking gritty of looking at the nitty gritty of how should develop. looking at the nitty gritty of how i'm should develop. looking at the nitty gritty of how i'm particularlyievelop. looking at the nitty gritty of how i'm particularly interested what i'm particularly interested in recommendations. in are the recommendations. well, puberty well, obviously the puberty blockers already knew that well, obviously the puberty blocheren't already knew that well, obviously the puberty blocheren't goingy knew that well, obviously the puberty blocheren't going to new that well, obviously the puberty blocheren't going to bev that they weren't going to be prescribed because nhs prescribed because the nhs changed the 14th changed its policy on the 14th of march. yes. what's very interesting, is what interesting, though, is what she says about cross—sex says about the cross—sex hormones, nhs did have hormones, because nhs did have quite a strict policy about how they were to be prescribed, cass has because the evidence has said, because the evidence is awful. i mean, you said it is so awful. i mean, you said it was thin. i think what the bmj said, commenting the cass said, commenting on the cass review, that there is an review, is that there is an evidence void. so she has said

extreme needed and extreme caution is needed and recommendation nine is possibly the most interesting. there will have to be effectively a second opinion for any prescription. a multi disciplinary team will need to review any decision to prescribe to a 16 year old. now that's interesting because no private clinic can offer that . private clinic can offer that. and there's one private clinic at the moment, gender plus, who is regulated by the cqc to prescribe hormones . now i think prescribe hormones. now i think the cqc need to look again at its regulation criteria. and of course you're aware there is a judicial review coming of its decision to regulate gender. plus. >> yes, well, i saw doctor alan kelly, who was from a private gender clinic, sort of an interview on novara media saying that he we, you know, we can we can prescribe these to you. don't worry. you can work around the nhs effectively selling, selling but actually selling the drugs. but actually it that isn't it looks like that that isn't going be possible. it looks like that that isn't goiii] be possible. it looks like that that isn't goiii] b itpossible. it looks like that that isn't goiii] b it won'tle. it looks like that that isn't goiii] b it won't be. it looks like that that isn't goiii] bit won't be. i mean, >> i hope it won't be. i mean, the thing about doctor kelly is we know his provenance. he comes from tavistock and so do all from the tavistock and so do all his staff. they are wedded to

the path. and that, the affirmation path. and that, to has the most to me, has been the most chilling thing about the reaction review. reaction to the cass review. not, we may have got not, oh, crikey, we may have got this horribly wrong, but she's a transphobic. she's a fascist. it's let's just get on it's wrong. let's just get on with giving children what they say they need. >> although was probably >> although that was probably a predictable from a lot predictable response from a lot of activists. >> i'm i'm shocked, perhaps naively so. thought there'd be naively so. i thought there'd be a more embarrassed silence a lot more embarrassed silence i didn't see. for didn't expect to see. for example, patrick harvey refusing to admit it was wrong to call this a transphobic report even in the light of doctor cass reporting she's been advised not to use public transport. now i mean, it's have you ever known anything like this? >> i mean, that element is, of course, shocking. you course, very shocking. and, you know, one of the senior know, this is one of the senior paediatricians in the world, you know, a rigorous report over four should taken four years. it should be taken seriously. absolutely. but you're people you're right, a lot of people aren't doing so, so how do we deal with because deal with that? because ultimately this kind of ultimately there is this kind of brick mentality among brick wall mentality among certain who just didn't certain people who just didn't well, it didn't come up with what they wanted it come up

with. >> well, i hope it's the dead cat bounce. it's the desperate, panicked reaction of a group of people have not just people who have married not just their reputations, but their very their being truth very sanity to their being truth in an ideology that says children as young as three have a gender identity, they know it. and our job as adults is simply and ourjob as adults is simply to guide them on that pathway to medication. then surgery. i medication. and then surgery. i wonder we're wonder if that's what we're seeing and hopefully will seeing and that hopefully will at stage wear itself out . at some stage wear itself out. but going back to the private clinics, we know we've got the hopefully the judicial review coming gender plus that coming up of gender plus that we'll at regulation. we'll look at their regulation. we've other problem we've got the other problem though of gender gp. though haven't we, of gender gp. now remember doctor mike webberley struck off after webberley was struck off after providing blockers to providing puberty blockers to a nine year following a 20 nine year old following a 20 minute zoom call during which the child speak . there the child did not speak. there were lots of other patients. i think there are at least 21, he was investigated regarding his wife, doctor helen managed to escape being struck off despite never discussing issues of fertility with an 11 year old girl and her mother, for whom she prescribed testosterone . now

she prescribed testosterone. now doctor helen webberley has been utterly unrepentant about this and says, basically, sod the acas review, sod the nhs will give the kids what they need. so i think the government's really got to show its commitment to some of the encouraging statements. there needs to be action taken against these people. >> now, when say action, do >> now, when you say action, do you criminal action? you mean criminal action? >> think should be >> yes. i think it should be criminalised do what helen criminalised to do what helen webberley doing webberley is doing to exist outside regulations and be outside of uk regulations and be prescribing to prescribing testosterone to young and i think if the young girls and i think if the government doesn't act and i'm really actually pleased by some of the strong pronouncements made, we act by way of made, then we must act by way of private prosecution, because we've cas our ethical we've got cas now as our ethical and factual ballast. so if the government won't act or are slow to act, then we've got to do it. >> is there a fear, though? i mean, i'm talking later in the show to doctor carrie mendoza from america about about how it's being received over there. and american and i noticed that the american media this. media are barely touching this. i when things are i know notice when things are going about this that are going up about this that are supportive of cas review on supportive of the cas review on youtube. getting hit youtube. they're getting hit with a context youtube. with a context notes by youtube. you a big weight

you know, there's a big weight of global opinion against that has a prejudice against cas and the findings of her review. >> we just have to continue in this country to do what we can to protect children and hope that message is taken up abroad. obviously we can't interfere with to do with what the us decides to do legally , but it's a very legally, but it's a very significant note that cas found only sweden and finland to produce reliable guidelines and found w path discredited. now i know what's recently happened in america. with biden passing into law . gender identity on a america. with biden passing into law. gender identity on a par with sex. i think it's now for americans to take the wheel in their own country. we will do what we can for american children, but obviously we can't influence their laws . but one influence their laws. but one thing that is coming down the track, remember 9000 track, remember the 9000 children who funnelled children who were funnelled through tavistock, through the tavistock, six out of of the clinics of seven of the gender clinics refused to cooperate with cas and give her the data. now, that can for be two reasons. can only for be two reasons. a they didn't keep the data. they're going to be revealed as incompetent, know incompetent, or b they know exactly what data is going exactly what that data is going to remarkably poor outcomes to show remarkably poor outcomes

for cohort . for that cohort. >> well, we don't have data sufficiently on detransitioners or regret in later life. and partly it's because, as you say, there's this reticence to either hand maybe it just hand it over or maybe it just doesn't exist . doesn't exist. >> that's the other big >> well, that's the other big lie taken hold, isn't it, lie that's taken hold, isn't it, that only 1% of people detransition and cas makes detransition and as cas makes clear, there is simply no evidence to make any assertion about detransition. however, i would note that the reddit group for detransitioners, i think , for detransitioners, i think, now has 57,000 members. there's legal actions being brought in the states. there's legal actions here. richie herron so thatis actions here. richie herron so that is the other big lie that we need to topple. i don't know what the rate is, but my suspicion is it's going to have to be more than 1% because you're looking at a group of children, often with internalised homophobia, mental health, comorbidities adverse health, comorbidities, adverse childhood experiences, being given as the cure for given medication as the cure for everything that ailed them. and of course, it won't be. >> can i ask you a bigger question? you mentioned earlier the affirming approach and the idea of gender affirming care is

that a child says they're in the wrong body, says that they have an identity, an innate gender identity, and the doctor initially must immediately affirm that. but isn't this an effectively a kind of pseudo religious belief? and if that's the case, why is the nhs even entertaining it to begin with? oh, absolutely. >> i've been saying that for a long time. it's and so many others. it's not me being particularly clever. gender identity is like the soul. you see, the reaction when you go against identity. it's against gender identity. it's the as a fervently the same as a fervently religious when say religious person. when you say you believe anger, the you don't believe the anger, the rage, lack of evidence, the rage, the lack of evidence, the punishment apostate, punishment for the apostate, that's very i mean, it's that's very clear. i mean, it's going be, i hope, in about going to be, i hope, in about ten years time, there'll be a lot of books written about how the this happen? the hell did this happen? but i think laid think the groundwork was laid decades see, the yogyakarta decades ago. see, the yogyakarta principles a lot seemed principles a lot of money seemed to funnelled into this in the to be funnelled into this in the late 90s about how gender identity was going to be elevated above sex at cost. elevated above sex at any cost. it became a human rights, a civil liberties issue. and then for some bizarre reason, we haven't got quite got to the bottom of this yet. doctor otters were persuaded to go

against the fundamental ethical tenets of their profession. first, do harm if you're first, do no harm if you're going to be innovative. that's wonderful. we need doctors to be innovative, but they need to collect data. well what do collect the data. well what do you say to the critics of the review who will say but data, when it comes to paediatric medicine, is notoriously difficult actually difficult to locate and actually , we shouldn't be. >> i mean, aidan kelly, >> i mean, doctor aidan kelly, on very interview that i on that very interview that i mentioned that actually, mentioned said that actually, yeah, have that yeah, we'd love to have that gold standard of firm data on everything, actually it's everything, but actually it's neither desirable neither possible nor desirable when gender. when it comes to gender. >> seems to me such an >> that just seems to me such an insanely stupid thing to say when know that 9000 children when we know that 9000 children have tavistock, have gone through the tavistock, where now? are they where are they now? are they living their best lives happy and transitioned? they and transitioned? i hope they are. andrew, i would be are. you see, andrew, i would be delighted be wrong this delighted to be wrong about this because am right, that is because if i am right, that is 9000 children who've been depnved 9000 children who've been deprived of fertility, of adult sexual function. and it was all done for an adult ideology with no evidence base . and i think no evidence base. and i think the difference i know everyone's saying, oh, it's both sides,

it's both sides . i think the it's both sides. i think the difference between my side and the gender identity side is i will be delighted to be wrong. and say, hallelujah, the and i will say, hallelujah, the other side. however, when that data in shows what i data comes in and shows what i believe will, that believe it will, that that cohort lives blighted, cohort had their lives blighted, they lie about it. they will simply lie about it. well, we've seen now, well, well, that we've seen now, well, that's criticism of well, that we've seen now, well, that'sisn't criticism of well, that we've seen now, well, that'sisn't it, criticism of well, that we've seen now, well, that'sisn't it, thaticism of well, that we've seen now, well, that'sisn't it, that actually cass, isn't it, that actually she been sufficiently she hasn't been sufficiently compassionate the children compassionate to the children involved compassionate to the children involve(read the review, and >> i've read the review, and i don't think that's that's the case all. case at all. >> well, you cannot say that in good faith unless you have some quite learning quite serious learning difficulties . vie the compassion difficulties. vie the compassion that she feels for this children is fundamentally displayed throughout that she throughout that report. she directly addresses the children she knows she is going to disappoint, but this is the dynamic between adults and children. we don't say , i will children. we don't say, i will give you everything you want, so you'll be my friend and you'll love me. you say, i am the adult here and i'm not going to give you what you want. i'm going to give you what you need because you are a child and i know better. so that is effectively what she says. and says it

what she says. and she says it with compassion. so that's with deep compassion. so that's just lie, another very just another lie, another very stupid lie. stupid and irritating lie. >> phillimore, thank you >> sarah phillimore, thank you ever for joining >> sarah phillimore, thank you ever forjoining me. so ever so much forjoining me. so next speech nation. not next on free speech nation. not all commentators have accepted the cass review unreservedly. barrister robin moira white will be here to explain why some people have issues with the report. don't anywhere

welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. so we've been hearing tonight about some of the damning conclusions drawn by the cass review into the provision of gender identity services for under eighteens by nhs however we also nhs england. however we also need to acknowledge that some commentators argue that the report paints distorted report paints a distorted picture. discuss some picture. so here to discuss some of concerns is i'm of these concerns is i'm delighted to be joined by the barrister, robin moira white. welcome the show. now robin ,

welcome to the show. now robin, you are not a fan of the cass review. you described the research undertaken by doctor hilary cass as laughably poor. can you explain why you've come to that conclusion? yeah i think let's start from the fact that trans people have felt let down over years by a government and services. >> so if you're an adult, services. >> so if you're an adult , the >> so if you're an adult, the waiting time currently is decades to be seen . and i think decades to be seen. and i think what most people feel is that most trans people feel is a fundamental sadness that here was an opportunity wasted , now was an opportunity wasted, now we it would take longer than your show to grind through the science. so i've tried to make some quick points with a few graphics that would help . and graphics that would help. and i'm grateful to your your folk for getting those ready . if we for getting those ready. if we could put the first slide up , could put the first slide up, the first picture up. now this is , the women's rights is, the women's rights conference in saudi arabia . is conference in saudi arabia. is there a missing element? women

and that's the first position with the cass review that a very early stage , it was determined early stage, it was determined that people who are you were talking about different approaches in terms of affirmation , that no one who affirmation, that no one who supports affirmation could be part of the core study. and there is no trans person who was part of the core group. would that imagine a report on women's rights with no women in the group or gay rights with not a gay gay people, group or gay rights with not a gay gay people, and deliberately excluded? >> so in terms of, i assume, what you were talking about, there is the studies that were deemed to be too low quality to include in the final review is that, no, no, i'm looking at the that's a point about the review overall. >> yes. so i'll come on to some specific criticisms. >> did speak to a number of people who've through this people who've been through this this did took this treatment. and she did took a compassionate approach in a very compassionate approach in doing so. >> but i'm looking at >> indeed. but i'm looking at the outcomes of the report and let's move on to the presentation. if we could put

the first graph up that i'd supplied. now this is actually a page from the report. and you can see that what you have is an exponential rise. apparently in the number of people being referred to gids at tavistock. the trouble with it is that graph cuts off at 2014. and if we put the next graph up. right here are the true figures and what the figures for the next few years. and what you actually see is that the graph we've seen is a slice of the data . and the is a slice of the data. and the data have plateaued. so the number of referrals instead of that scary exponential rise and the report doesn't make this point. and indeed we have data later than the graph that i've shown that i'm showing here, which shows that actually the number of people reported have plateaued. doesn't plateaued. the report doesn't say clear, view is >> so to be clear, your view is that exponential which that the exponential rise which you you wouldn't you i'm sure you wouldn't disagree with that has taken place, you that it's place, but you feel that it's not so much of a worry because it has plateaued, and that

it has since plateaued, and that that have been mentioned that should have been mentioned by review isn't. by the cass review and isn't. >> and if what we were looking at is, i mean, the at is, i mean, one of the ways in young have been in which young people have been let down is, is the immensely long time. that they long waiting time. so that they were puberty before they long waiting time. so that they were going puberty before they long waiting time. so that they were going |geterty before they long waiting time. so that they were going |get help.efore they long waiting time. so that they were going |get help. and they were going to get help. and a scary like that is saying, scary graph like that is saying, well, look, can't cope with well, look, we can't cope with this, whereas actually we know well, look, we can't cope with this, the reas actually we know well, look, we can't cope with this, the numbersally we know well, look, we can't cope with this, the numbers are.ne know what the numbers are. >> i do understand what you're saying about the strength of feeling and the way in which that some will feel let that some people will feel let down the conclusions down because the conclusions reached, findings reached reached, the findings reached didn't they didn't align with what they wanted say. of wanted them to say. but of course, ultimately this is, you know, very reputable know, a very reputable paediatrician very paediatrician working very rigorously years time. rigorously for four years time. i think it's fair. surely i don't think it's fair. surely it's not fair. it should be taken seriously in terms of what? findings. what? her findings. >> sorry. i've looked at >> i'm sorry. i've not looked at the reputation. i've been looking at what the outcomes and the outputs, and there are some very weird things said in the report. report says, for report. the report says, for example, that providing puberty blockers does not alleviate . it blockers does not alleviate. it hasn't been shown to alleviate gender dysphoria. well it's never intended to. all it does

is not make matters worse . now, is not make matters worse. now, it's a very weird thing to say that something doesn't do what it was never intended to do. >> i suppose my concern here is that it feels like you're taking small things that you you disagree with from a 388 page report, and using that as a means to kind of they call it nut picking, don't they sort of just discredit the whole just try and discredit the whole thing. the point, thing. isn't the broad point, though, concern you that though, of concern to you that the broad finding about the cassie's broad finding about puberty there puberty blockers, that there is no evidential threshold, no bafis no evidential threshold, no basis evidence for their basis in evidence for their efficacy ? shouldn't that be of efficacy? shouldn't that be of concern if we don't have the data about what happens in later life? yeah. shouldn't that concern you ? concern you? >> well, we do have data. i mean, for example, in the last week or so , a 9000 person study week or so, a 9000 person study based in perth in australia was published that provides exactly that information. and one of the one of the really concerning things about the report is that the recommendation is to move from a type of treatment to effectively no treatment or any talking therapy . and where is

talking therapy. and where is the evidence that talking therapy is efficacious? >> sorry, but the 9000 people in the perth study , what's the the perth study, what's the findings of that that the that there is no loss of data. >> so one of the, one of the criticisms being made is that we don't find the detransitioners because they go off and hide. yes now the perth study says no, we have complete follow up because the australian system is rather from ours. rather different from ours. there is a holistic approach in australia and they stay with the people concerned and it's supporting the level of detransition that's been reported previously around the single percent mark. >> but my understanding is that the existing studies that we have that have some kind of follow up only retain that follow up only retain that follow up only retain that follow up if people are still identified as and are identified as trans and are reporting back to the doctors. >> well, some of them that's >> well, some of them do. that's absolutely true. i am not absolutely true. and i am not going say that it's not good going to say that it's not good to have better data. right. but to have better data. right. but to say that the data we have supports effectively a do

nothing approach for which there is no evidence there is there are no saying, let's not she's not ruling anything out. >> what she's saying is we need to have the data before we undertake what could be very, very damaging medical procedures on children. >> understanding what cass actually really actually says is really difficult because they there was an organisation called the kent trust who met with a doctor, cass, shortly after that, and the last slide i'd ask for is, is a quote from the meeting with doctor cass. do we have that , doctor cass. do we have that, please? yeah. and there we are . please? yeah. and there we are. so is that message consistent with what's being said by the people who are lauding the report and saying, gosh, that's great. we're not going to do this anymore. >> but isn't that precisely what she's saying is that we need more evidence, we need more long term studies. we need data. we needed all those adult needed all of those seven adult gender clinics provide that gender clinics to provide that data, than deliberately data, rather than deliberately withholding mean, out withholding it. i mean, six out of that's a that's of the seven, that's a that's troubling, isn't it? >> what's is that they >> what's troubling is that they

were concerned were sufficiently only concerned about of report about the approach of the report that they withheld that data. now, i don't think we have complete clarity as to why at the moment. yes. and it's important to see that. >> but cass does acknowledge that there people that that there are some people that she met for whom the puberty she has met for whom the puberty blocking treatment been blocking treatment has been helpful. that is helpful. right. so that is something is acknowledged. yeah. >> and i being careful about >> and i i'm being careful about not talking about i mean, i'm anecdotally i know young trans people who been through the people who have been through the process which is being looked at and are very living, very successful lives and very happy lives. it's right to look at lives. and it's right to look at the balance between those. that process helps and those that process helps and those that process doesn't help. yes, but to just junk the evidence that we do have and say not good enough. >> i'm just concerned about the idea that evidence was junked. it was there was a selectivity regarding the quality of evidence and that the high quality evidence, the high quality evidence, the high quality studies were retained. the sorry , the highest quality the sorry, the highest quality of which there were two. then the high quality studies and the

medium quality studies, and that those findings were indeed incorporated into the final review. so it's not the case that she was junking every particular with respect. particular view with respect. >> not the medium. >> they're not the medium. quality studies provide a large body evidence that says this body of evidence that says this is a helpful approach. yes. and we don't have evidence for the do nothing approach. and though that evidence does not find its way through into the report's conclusions, but you wouldn't support low quality studies making their into because making their way into because you'll up with well, we you'll end up with a. well, we had had high, medium and low had we had high, medium and low and quite a lot of medium and we had quite a lot of medium quality studies. and the double blind study, i think cass has now acknowledged that you can't do a double blind study in this area. that's right. you just can't not put give people a placebo and not put them through puberty when they're expecting a blocker. no. and that we can't do that. >> never asserted or attempted. that's why the newcastle—ottawa scale was adopted instead . scale was adopted instead. >> that's right. but there is still a suggestion that there has to be a control group for it to be a high quality study, and

that means you're never going to get like quality study. >> but i think that's why the medium quality studies were incorporated into the findings. >> incorporated, but >> they were incorporated, but they through into they don't follow through into they don't follow through into the recommendations. now that that ongoing, there that process is ongoing, there are a number of trans related organisations that are working our way through the report. and in the coming weeks, i think you're going to see the reasons why cass cass has been panned internationally, as i'm sure you know, you were mentioning this a little earlier on your show , little earlier on your show, cass has been panned internationally, is not supported internationally . ali. supported internationally. ali. >> well, i've seen that from activist bodies. i haven't seen that from like the american. >> relevant medical >> the relevant medical association in america who already said that? who are not like groups such as w path which i do. no no no no. forgive me the group of american doctors who treat people in this circumstance in america have already said that they don't like the look of cass. >> no. and my contention is that activist bodies have infiltrated

most medical institutions . most medical institutions. >> well, i don't think that's true. >> well, but let me ask you, though, if it were the case that ultimately we did have all the data and ultimately it did turn out this wasn't that maybe out that this wasn't that maybe this for certain this was right for certain individuals, for the individuals, but for the majority it wasn't. it was detrimental. would you at that point well, let's let's point say, well, let's let's find different approach. find a different approach. >> the point can you >> i think the point we can you and would agree on is that and i would agree on is that there are definitely individuals for this approach is right, for whom this approach is right, and there are definitely individuals this individuals for whom this approach will ultimately turn out . and i'm sure out to be wrong. and i'm sure neither neither you nor i would disagree about that. and finding where the balance is between that , like with any form of that, like with any form of medical treatment, is the right thing to do. but if you get medical treatment, that's really helpful for a substantial group to say , we wait forever to work to say, we wait forever to work out how tiny the group is. that aren't helped when we've good evidence. it may not be the best evidence. it may not be the best evidence in the world, but good evidence in the world, but good evidence that it's really helpful for a large group. then

we be avoiding people we shouldn't be avoiding people being able to access that type of care. i think that's also where contention lies, where the contention lies, because don't think cass because i don't think cass and the findings suggest that the findings would suggest that there good evidence for that. there is good evidence for that. >> i think suggesting there is good evidence for that. >> needi think suggesting there is good evidence for that. >> needi trhave suggesting there is good evidence for that. >> needi trhave the suggesting there is good evidence for that. >> needi trhave the evidence 1g we need to have the evidence before proceed, is before we proceed, which is obvious, us back to obvious, which brings us back to the of the work that's the quality of the work that's been okay well, robin, i'm been done. okay well, robin, i'm thrilled that you've come on to talk and i hope talk about this and i hope you'll back again to continue. >> very happy. >> very happy. >> thanks very for speaking >> thanks very much for speaking to after the break, bev to me. so after the break, bev jackson from lgb alliance will be here to tell us about whether the practices exposed by the cass review amount to attack on gay please do not go gay rights. please do not go anywhere

welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation . returning now to the nation. returning now to the cass review. and one of the many

concerns raised is that many of the young people treated by the nhs are same sex orientated, and they're being steered towards drugs so they can align with their so—called gender identity . their so—called gender identity. and many organisations who promote this questionable doctrine are those who were originally set up to promote gay rights. so here to discuss this, i'm joined by one of the co—founders of alliance, bev co—founders of lgb alliance, bev jackson. show . jackson. welcome to the show. very quickly, bev, firstly, what was your reaction to the cass review ? review? >> well, obviously, i'm pleased that the that it's now clear from such an eminent paediatrician and, and an eminent team of researchers that there is no sound evidence for this, this treatment that has been given to mostly teenage girls. >> yes. i'm glad that that is out there, but pretty horrified that it's been treated as a political thing instead of a medical thing. this is a review of health care. yes. and in what other area of health care would you find people treating it in this way? people all these,

aduu this way? people all these, adult clinics refusing to give their evidence. we wanted long term evidence. what is the long term evidence. what is the long term outcome? >> i mean, that is suggestive , >> i mean, that is suggestive, isn't it, that that six of the seven adult clinics refused to hand over the data would suggest a degree of ideological capture? it there's no it cannot. you know, there's no other alternative at this point. >> you think this is really >> if you think this is really good treatment, if you believe in affirmative model, in the affirmative care model, then be very then surely you would be very pleased this pleased to show. yes, this is brilliant. works very brilliant. it works out very well. they didn't want to do it. and now i even more and now i find even more shocking is a template is circulating former patients , circulating for former patients, encouraging them to say we don't want our data to be used for research. yes. and so there is a profound reluctance to get the research out there. and then they say, oh, well, there isn't enough research. it's just ridiculous. >> in terms of gay rights, the cass review very specifically shows that 89% of the girls referred were same sex attracted, either homosexual or bisexual, and 81% of the boys fall into that category. so this

is overwhelmingly affecting kids who are likely to grow up gay . who are likely to grow up gay. >> yeah, it's really, really disturbing. and everybody used to accept that. i mean, if you go back to the year, i think around 2000, even mermaids were saying, of course , the saying, of course, the overwhelming majority of kids presenting with with, i think they called it those in those days, it was gender identity disorder. yes. then they wanted to call it later gender dysphoria. and now they're calling it gender incongruence. they're make less they're trying to make it less and less medical and yet insisting more and more insisting on more and more treatment. doesn't any treatment. it doesn't make any sense. anyway, mermaids sense. but anyway, even mermaids were the year 2000 were saying in the year 2000 that most of these kids would simply grow up lesbian or gay, and it was known it was known everywhere. it was known in holland also. and it's extraordinary that that now is being suppressed. and you're not seeing in the coverage, although there is that graph which stops, unfortunately, at 2016. and that's because they didn't have any figures after that. obviously, cass wanted the figures after 2016, but and i

know that quite a few of the therapists who worked at the gids simply didn't ask about sexual orientation because they didn't think it was relevant. >> but but it is, of course, so relevant if this you know, if this is a gay rights issue. >> and fundamentally, what's particularly disturbing is that the gender affirming model and the gender affirming model and the notion, the notion of the notion, the very notion of a gender has been pushed gender identity has been pushed by stonewall , the foremost by stonewall, the foremost supposedly gay charity the supposedly gay charity in the country , and other groups of its kind. >> yeah. and i think that what happened if you replace the whole idea of what if you call homosexuality, say you change it from being same sex sexual orientation, which that is what it is. that's what it was when i was setting up the gay liberation front. and that still is what it is, that sexual orientation, if you suddenly call it same gender orientation, so that theoretically and not even theoretically to men can call themselves women and then be a lesbian couple, you're

making a mockery of what homosexuality is. you're and that removes in the same way that removes in the same way that it's removing women's rights by changing sex to genden rights by changing sex to gender. you're also removing the rights and the definition of homosexuality by changing sex to, to gender identity. >> so given that stonewall has been so complicit in this movement, is it now time finally for stonewall to be driven out of public life ? of public life? >> well, i represent a charity. i don't think it's for me publicly to talk about the work of another charity, obviously , of another charity, obviously, as you know, we set up lgb alliance because we were unable to talk to stonewall in those days. we didn't really want we had no idea idea that this was a great thing to do at this stage of life, to set up a new organisation. we thought, no, we need to engage with stonewall and so that they realise that this is having a really bad effect on young, gays and lesbians. we will talk to them. and it was just a complete blank

wall, no debate. and also there's no conflict between these rights. and this is so obviously not true. and it was only because we could not get through, we could not get a dialogue going that we had to set up lgb alliance. but i want to say, look, this is an age of misogyny. it's an extraordinary age of misogyny. we see in scotland with the bill coming, that people are going to be protected by new bill protected by the new bill against misogyny , which will against misogyny, which will include men who identify as women. getting rid of women. that is getting rid of women's rights. we see what's happening with the new rules for title nine in america also will include men who identify as women and the women who are impacted most by this are lesbians who are impacted , as we lesbians who are impacted, as we say in our mission statement, doubly as women and as as homosexuals. and the fact that we now know, we know that young lesbians are being told they've got short hair or they fall for other girls. oh maybe you're really a boy. and then some of

them are susceptible to that. and they go and they take puberty blockers. and we now know all the harm that can be done that. and we're pleased done by that. and we're pleased to that is now very, to see that that is now very, very clear from this report . very clear from this report. >> thanks, bev, forjoining us. really appreciate it. don't go anywhere we'll back in anywhere. we'll be back in a very while. very short while. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> good evening. welcome to your latest gb news weather from the met office. so after a drier end to the weekend for many of us today , it looks like change is today, it looks like change is on the way. an area of low pressure situated out to the north the uk brings some weak north of the uk brings some weak frontal will slowly frontal systems that will slowly sink way southwards, sink their way southwards, particularly start particularly into the start of the working week and that the new working week and that area pressure we've seen area of high pressure we've seen pushes towards the pushes away towards the northwest. a cloudy to northwest. so a cloudy end to the for much eastern the day for much of eastern scotland northern as scotland and northern england as that to sink its that rain continues to sink its way overnight. so way southwards overnight. so quite cloudy picture, quite

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gb news. away. >> there's plenty more still to come on. free speech. nation this week, including reaction to the cast report from the us this week's social sensations, and some more questions from this wonderful studio audience. but let's get a news update first from sophia wenzler. >> good evening. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb news room. your top story this hour. mark menzies has announced his resignation from the tory party, saying he won't be standing in the next election. the fylde mp was suspended following claims he used political donations to cover medical expenses and pay off bad people who had locked him in a flat. he disputes the

allegations, though . following allegations, though. following an investigation, the conservative party says it can't conclude there was a misuse of funds, but said there was a pattern of behaviour that falls below the standards expected of mps . the mayor of london, sadiq mps. the mayor of london, sadiq khan, will meet met commissioner sir mark rowley tomorrow to discuss community relations. it comes as sir mark rowley is facing calls to quit over his handung facing calls to quit over his handling of pro palestinian protests, with the former home secretary , suella braverman secretary, suella braverman suggesting he's emboldened anti—semites . the campaign anti—semites. the campaign against anti—semitism is also calling for sir mark to resign or be sacked after its chief executive was described as openly jewish by an officer. the met police have now responded in a statement, saying the assistant commissioner has written to gideon falter to offer a private meeting to apologise his . a decision by the apologise his. a decision by the us to approve £49 billion in aid for ukraine has been welcomed by the uk, with the foreign

secretary describing it as a vital step forward. after months of wrangling, american politicians ended a deadlock, agreeing to provide a package which will also help replenish weapons and munitions . president weapons and munitions. president zelenskyy says the move will keep the war from expanding and will save thousands of lives. it now heads to the senate, which is expected to pass the bill in the next few days, and a record 50,000 people ran the london marathon today . most have now marathon today. most have now crossed the finishing line after completing the 26.2 mile route. they started just after 10 am. this morning, the event raising millions of pounds for charities. our very own gb news political editor , chris hope, political editor, chris hope, was one of the many who crossed the finishing line today. >> well, i've done it. i got round 26.2 miles, five hours, eight minutes, but slower than normal for me . eight minutes, but slower than normal for me. had a very sore left hip at some point. that was really hard. but here's the proof. here's the medal. that's why you do this. these kind of

things raise, i think, over £7,000 of scope. i'll check on it online later. it's a great cause. it online later. it's a great cause . it's moving, it's cause. it's moving, it's exhausting and it's well worth the effort. and if you're mad like me, want to try and run it for the latest story , sign up to for the latest story, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gb news. >> com slash alerts . now it's >> com slash alerts. now it's back to free speech nation. >> welcome back to free speech nation. so it's high time we get some more questions from this lovely studio audience. our first question of this section comes from where is rob ? comes from rob. where is rob? hi. hello, should schools be appointing children as young as four years old as lgbt champions? >> rob, what do you think? >> rob, what do you think? >> i think it's insane. >> i think it's insane. >> and this is scottish schools, isn't it? who who are doing this? yeah. starting to appoint

kids as young as four. kids as young as four. don't know anything about this stuff, do they? let's be honest. >> no, they don't at all. >> no, they don't at all. >> i don't got a clue. >> and i'm, i'm a i'm a i'm a parent to a 14, 15 year >> and i'm, i'm a i'm a i'm a parent to a 14,15 year old >> and i'm, i'm a i'm a i'm a parent to a 14, 15 year old now. and i've anecdotally seen this repeated as well. when children are introduced to sexual relationships and the knowledge of at of sexual relationships at a very young does confuse of sexual relationships at a very nyjng does confuse of sexual relationships at a very ny do does confuse of sexual relationships at a very ny do rememberzs confuse of sexual relationships at a very ny do rememberzs storyise of sexual relationships at a very ny do rememberzs story with them. i do remember a story with my daughter where she was confused the point that if confused to the point that if you're told about lesbianism as a 7 or 8 year old and you don't know what that means, but you but you realise that your love for your friends is strong and you, you primarily love the girls in your group because you're girl. you my daughter, you're a girl. you my daughter, confused being a lesbian confused that as being a lesbian and used to talk to about confused that as being a lesbian arand used to talk to about confused that as being a lesbian arand say,ed to talk to about confused that as being a lesbian arand say, it to talk to about confused that as being a lesbian arand say, i think|lk to about confused that as being a lesbian arand say, i think i( to about confused that as being a lesbian arand say, i think i might about confused that as being a lesbian arand say, i think i might be out it and say, i think i might be gay because i like instead of gay because i like x instead of this boy and because they're pre—sexual so the pre sexual, they have absolutely no idea. and at that point, as and of course, at that point, as a you know, a parent you're very, you know, you're open and you're very open and encouraging. saying, encouraging. you're saying, well you worry about that you know don't worry about that darling. you can, we

darling. you can, you can, we can, can talk about it if you can, we can talk about it if you like. but it's not important now. realise is now. but what you realise is they're being confused with they're just being confused with aduu they're just being confused with adult child, isn't adult stuff. as a child, isn't it strange, though? >> i mean, is from a >> why? i mean, this is from a charity called lgbt youth scotland. we're talking scotland. now we're not talking about education secondary about sex education in secondary schools. is a schools. you know there is a problem if kids problem there. if kids aren't told about stuff , you know, but told about stuff, you know, but this is different, right? this is years old. >> lewis >> lewis is >> lewis is speechless >> lewis is speechless for >> lewis is speechless for the first time. he's lost for words. that says a lot . that says a lot. >> it is because. because i'm always, like, concerned about how you were like, obsessed with this. and the truth is, it's like it's the exact same side of the fence trans issues, teaching kids. it's the same as gay stuff. it's all evil . a four stuff. it's all evil. a four year old. >> it's not all evil, but a four year old doesn't need to know about any of this. they just don't. >> it doesn't need to know about anything really. and i don't think the government should be teaching anything about anything. and so. anything. well, and so. >> need to learn

>> well, they need to learn certain things. >> they don't. >> no they don't. >> no they don't. >> what maths, english, how to read? >> $- w— w eat glass. it read? >> eat glass. it should >> don't eat glass. it should be. should be up to be. it should be up to the parents. like william blake. >> you think you let kids >> you just think you let kids get on with it. >> can i just can i just dig my way out of this, i think you're going to struggle, but go on. i'm going is it is. of i'm going to. is it is. of course, it's incredibly bad, but but that bad but we can't say that it's bad because if you say that it's bad, it means you're saying that the people's lifestyles that are living today, that are. >> you're right and you're right to be there is a trepidation there. but wrong in the there. but you're wrong in the sense we those sense that we those conversations can be had. it's like talking about accountancy. you don't need to know about that till you're 18 19. that till you're 18 or 19. there's no there's stuff you don't to be clouded with. don't need to be clouded with. >> i mean, the idea that if you don't teach kids being don't teach kids about being a lesbian that you lesbian or gay at four, that you are for against gay and are there for against gay and lesbian that doesn't lesbian people, that doesn't make sense all. make any sense at all. >> well, is because those >> well, it is because those people who are might be if they're trans, they say to they're trans, they might say to themselves, was four years old themselves, i was four years old and i wish someone had taught

me, there's tons things me, but there's tons of things that older that four year olds and older people remember when that people i remember when that older children older people, older children learn that are completely useless i remember useless or confusing. i remember i class when i was in i had a jazz class when i was in in high school, and i learned about cannonball adderley and these other jazz dizzy gillespie , and they might as well be talking about having my penis cut off. it was so i just don't see the connection. but i'm, you know, can i dig my way out of it? >> yeah. we'll give him his own show or something to explain all this stuff because it would require it, anyway, let's go to another question now. we've got one from andy, yeah. hi. yeah >> mums no longer shopper? i >> do mums no longer shopper? i i'll go to iceland. well, yeah. >> so they've changed the slogan, haven't they. mum's gone to iceland. to. what is it now? we we've gone to iceland. andy. what you think about it. what do you think about it. >> well like it's still mums about. so there are still about. so yeah there are still mums and there are still mums who do go to. >> it's iceland even still a thing. i thought it would stop. >> not for people like you,

andrew. no but no. >> what i was thinking? >> you know what i was thinking? i thinking bejam. i was thinking of bejam. >> but bejam became >> yes, but bejam became iceland. oh >> did it? yes. oh, i'm so on. >> so you're in, you're in, you're in the same vein. except that happened about 93. that happened in about 93. right. so slightly the right. so so slightly behind the times. i mean it's times. you know, i mean it's just it's just an extension of all madness that we've seen. all the madness that we've seen. it's big deal. mean, the it's no big deal. i mean, the idea we all think that only idea that we all think that only mums go to us, it's so literal. they must all think we're really, really stupid. yeah. and they they all must. all you they must they all must. all you know, and they're actually mums out thinking, well, out there thinking, well, i better to because if better go to iceland because if i don't, no one's going to go, yeah, but, but you know, i get the point. >> and suppose they want be >> and suppose they want to be a bit right. and they bit trendy, right. and they don't. know what? you're don't. you know what? if you're a woman who's not a mum or a young woman who's not a mum or a young woman who's not a mum or a young woman who's not a mum or a young guy and you want to get some nuggets, some frozen, you know, nuggets, but thinking, well, but you'd be thinking, well, i can't there because it says can't go there because it says it's only for mums. yeah. i don't want to be that guy. >> is that what's going on? >> i think you deserve that title of that guy . if you walked

title of that guy. if you walked into iceland and said, am i allowed in here? i'm not a mum, not a mum. >> you're a mum, aren't you? >> you're a mum, aren't you? >> i'm a mother , the answer is >> i'm a mother, the answer is they weren't doing the right things, i mean, iceland, i've beenin things, i mean, iceland, i've been in this country 24 years or something, and. and, iceland hasn't really grown that much . hasn't really grown that much. maybe. so they needed to change their thing. the fact is, is they needed a new slogan. they needed a new slogan, and they. and they hired. they hired this woman, this josie, whatever her name is, new the new name is, the new the new spokesmodel. person. and spokesmodel. yes. person. and she's like a celebrity, a celebrity chaser, mom . well, celebrity chaser, mom. well, she's a mom. she's a mom, but she's a mom. she's a mom, but she's mums aren't allowed anymore. no, but she's she's. i was reading about this woman. she's so english. she's a single mother, which is weird because it's called iceland . it's called iceland. >> maybe. maybe their slogan should be iceland, not the country. >> that's the kind of joke that i would make. >> that's so funny, though. >> that's so funny, though. >> we don't want dad to go to iceland, do we? because he's

just to buy a lot of just going to buy a lot of rubbish there. >> is that? >> is that? >> yeah, but mom is going to buy rubbish too, because that's all there there. there is there. >> mums are the best, you >> best mums are the best, you know louis? >> best mums are the best, you kno no. )uis? >> no. >> no. >> okay. let's move on to a question from nicholas. where's nicholas? question from nicholas. where's nic hello. is it racist to accuse >> hello. is it racist to accuse somebody of playing the race card? >> nicholas, 9 nicholas, know card? >> nicholas, know you >> well, nicholas, i know you are, italian, half iranian. are, half italian, half iranian. right? play the right? so do you ever play the race card? because you could, ho. 110. >> no. >> but in order to be on gb news, i always identify as white and okay, well , it's and italian. okay, well, it's actually it's an interesting story, though. >> so this tribunal said that effectively, if you accuse someone of playing the race card. so say someone complains that they've been treated in a racist manner and you say, oh, they're playing the race card, thatis they're playing the race card, that is also a form of racism. but i'm not sure about that. i mean, yeah, because, you know, i play mean, yeah, because, you know, i play card all the time play the gay card all the time with you and so and i play it with you and so and i play it with you. >> yeah. and even more worrying. well, of fun and, no, well, it's a lot of fun and, no, it's just, it's the same way where people are, like, it's a

me too question . it's like, you me too question. it's like, you have to believe all women, right? it's believe all women. and so if you question a woman and say, no, i don't believe that this has happened to you, then a bad thing. then that's a bad thing. >> that's if someone if you >> and that's if someone if you came lewis, and said, came to me, lewis, and said, look, i'm upset because i perceive was being perceive that paul cox was being anti—semitic treated me anti—semitic and treated me in anti—semitic and treated me in an way . i would say an anti—semitic way. i would say i would some evidence. i would need some evidence. i couldn't just go your. does couldn't just go on your. does that me therefore complicit that make me therefore complicit in anti—semitism? >> yes, yes it would. >> yes, because yes it would. >> yes, because yes it would. >> you must believe, you know >> so you must believe, you know , believe all jews, right? >> believe . don't >> but don't believe. don't believe, don't believe black eyes or women or whatever the rest of the people are. so because i agree. because that's what this that's what. no, that's what this story is. this story. >> it's believe. believe all he's saying. >> believe he's saying i felt oppressed feelings matter more than facts. so we have to. >> but the thing is, paul, people do play the cards. >> sometimes. >> sometimes. >> they do. i mean, i've met people who've played this card, whether it's being gay, being

black, whatever. i've met loads of people who've done this. >> well, here's the thing. >> well, here's the thing. >> you some people are >> you see some people are racist some people aren't. racist and some people aren't. not everybody way we not everybody is. and the way we controlling language is, is biasing direction. controlling language is, is biasiri| direction. controlling language is, is biasiri don't direction. controlling language is, is biasiri don't thinkirection. controlling language is, is biasiri don't think iaction. controlling language is, is biasiri don't think i personally now, i don't think i personally if somebody come to me and made that accusation, i wouldn't have accused them of playing the race card because no. and as i don't believe as i don't believe you would. >> no, i would, i no, i wouldn't, i wouldn't do that. >> i would say, you know, i would take the allegations seriously and i would look into it and, and find if there's any evidence for it. but i wouldn't automatically believe i mean, it's like, who was the royal aide was accused of racism? aide who was accused of racism? that 83 year old woman. yes. who was the was simply asking where the woman from, and she it woman was from, and she took it as though she was as racist even though she was dressed in traditional african garb earrings the garb and had earrings in the shape africa. a shape of africa. it's a legitimate question. i think at that point and pre 2015, it wouldn't have been a big deal. >> we've created environment now where we need shock and we need

victims and we need we need oppressors and everything has to be within that triangle. and if it's not, we don't really care for it because this is an employment tribunal. >> so it's a bit more. >> well, and do you know what? it's such a fine line, isn't it. because if someone continually sitting there going, stop playing card, then playing the race card, then that's offensive. that's quite offensive. >> someone has >> because what if someone has actually racist? actually has been racist? >> so this is you >> exactly. so this is how you this is how you merge and you cloud all the time. >> so got to be context >> so it's got to be context dependent, maybe. anyway, let's get question jazz. get a quick question from jazz. is hi. have i is it jazz? hi. have i pronounced that right? you have. yes. >> great. should all trains >> oh, great. should all trains have compartments? have cuddle compartments? >> train >> so this is the german train operator. do you operator. jess, what do you think this, i if it think about this, i wonder if it will just be used forjust will just be used for just cuddle compartments. >> a good point. >> oh, that's a good point. >> oh, that's a good point. >> okay, so, so i should explain a so is german train a bit. so this is a german train company, bahn i think. company, deutsche bahn i think. yeah. right. right. yeah. that's right. right. and, they basically have invented this carriages which this idea of carriages which they carriages. and they call cuddle carriages. and they call cuddle carriages. and the frost over. you the windows frost over. if you press a button and you can cuddle. jazz is suggesting

people might press that button for reasons. yeah you for other reasons. yeah you know, mainlining heroin, whatever , whatever it might be. whatever, whatever it might be. but illegal activity or sexual activity, perhaps chance would be a fine thing , but it also can be a fine thing, but it also can be a fine thing, but it also can be used for taking a call, a work meeting and all these sorts of things. yeah, but they're calling them cuddle compartments. that sounds like a euphemism, but there it does. compartments. that sounds like a eupand ism, but there it does. compartments. that sounds like a eupand ism, kind here it does. compartments. that sounds like a eupand ism, kind ofre it does. compartments. that sounds like a eupand ism, kind of german,. >> and it is kind of german, isn't it? the idea that cuddling, you know, they don't touch each other, do they? >> oh, some the early, movies >> oh, some of the early, movies iused >> oh, some of the early, movies i used to watch on bbc radio, channel 4, late at night on a friday, a lot of cuddling going on in those. >> and they were mainly german as well. yes. >> emmanuelle cuddle. >> emmanuelle gets a cuddle. >> emmanuelle gets a cuddle. >> remember that one. >> yeah, i remember that one. >> yeah, i remember that one. >> breves, anyway, what >> explicit breves, anyway, what was i trying to say? i so the idea of this compartment is what they're saying is, is a private compartment. and we won't mind if you cuddle in it. they're not saying get in with saying get in there with all your and, it's just your mates. and, maybe it's just a thing , you know? a continental thing, you know?

>> maybe. >> maybe. >> i misread it because i >> well, i misread it because i thought was trans getting. thought it was a trans getting. have a cuddle compartment. >> trains . >> no trains. >> no trains. >> trains, trains. yeah. >> trains, trains. yeah. >> just one letter. >> just one. one letter. >> just one. one letter. >> this one's obsessed. >> this one's obsessed. >> why. >> that's why. >> that's why. >> that's why. >> that's this channel is. >> that's what this channel is. it's trans. it's. it's it's all trans. it's. it's nobody cares trans. nobody cares about trans. >> no, trying to talk. >> no, we're trying to talk. >> no, we're trying to talk. >> are obsessed with 90% of >> you are obsessed with 90% of the time. >> we're doing stories about trains. you and i don't think >> and you and i don't think trans. and think you. if trans. and i think you. if i read if i've read about this thing, the germans didn't call it a cuddle compartment. they know it in german. >> don't be pedantic. some some some. >> it was. yeah i mean, they used to have them don't cuddle people, lewis, because you are incapable of love. >> yeah, well, don't sympathise with it. >> really don't. yeah, exactly . >> really don't. yeah, exactly. >> really don't. yeah, exactly. >> maybe if i got some love, i'd be. i'd be more receptive of ladies. >> now you're begging the audience to love you, lewis. >> that's not a good look. would you use the frosted compartment and if so, what for, i think it's. i think you can't. you can't. you can't have a business meeting in there. once you go in there, going be

there, people are going to be looking. it's going to be looking. it's not going to be done because people are done because because people are already ridiculing it. and the germans ridicule. germans don't like ridicule. >> absolutely not. >> they absolutely do not. that's true, okay. so that's that's true, okay. so let's on now to asia. let's move on now to asia. where's asia? hiya. >> hi, i'd like to know, >> hi, andrew. i'd like to know, do think it's fair that do you think it's fair that a supermarket worker be supermarket worker could be sacked for not paying for their bag so asia, i want to bag for life? so asia, i want to ask you what your view on that is. i think that's pretty harsh. >> do you think it's harsh? yeah. well, it was a guy at sainsbury's and he'd been there for a long like 20 odd for a long time, like 20 odd years. and what he did when he was leaving took the was leaving work, he took the bag he took some stuff bag for like he took some stuff which bought and him in a which he bought and put him in a bag for life, but he didn't add the, you know, at the end we have to how many bags you have to put how many bags you put in. and he says it's because he was late at night and was he was late at night and he was knackered. believe knackered. i can believe that. but a repeat offender? but was he a repeat offender? >> of course he was a repeat offender. >> how many bags for life do you need? >> you just need one, don't you? >> you just need one, don't you? >> what? you just need >> you know what? you just need to once. you know to steal one once. and you know the criminal. is he? the guy's a criminal. is he? he's a criminal. and the fact

is, is should go into is, is why should we go into that all the time? we. that place all the time? we. i have pay bags. i want to have to pay for bags. i want to steal as many as i can. >> only a bag, though. steal as many as i can. >> and' a bag, though. steal as many as i can. >> and' a ban though. steal as many as i can. >> and' a ban employee. >> and he's an employee. >> and he's an employee. >> is only bag. but he's >> it is only a bag. but he's going the scenes. who going behind the scenes. who knows taking? and you knows what he's taking? and you knows what he's taking? and you know sainsbury's. knows what he's taking? and you know don't sainsbury's. knows what he's taking? and you know don't advertise sbury's. knows what he's taking? and you know don't advertise oniry's. knows what he's taking? and you know don't advertise on this they don't advertise on this channel, so i they die. channel, so i hope they die. well, okay, that's fair well, i okay, that's a fair i think harsh but fair point. think a harsh but fair point. >> yes, they were they were >> yes, well they were they were scared activists. scared of the activists. >> is, this the >> this is, it's this is the tncky >> this is, it's this is the tricky thing it? so by the tricky thing isn't it? so by the letter of the law that is stealing, even if it's £0.10, they're stealing, even if it's £0.10, tiguess very easy for i guess it's very easy for someone sainsbury's to someone like sainsbury's to go. you're your sack. you're stealing your sack. however, human, however, everyone's human, right? wants to right? yeah, well, who wants to pay-7 right? yeah, well, who wants to pay? one wants pay for pay? no one wants to pay for a bag. guy's there for bag. the guy's worked there for 20 ten bags. 20 years. let him have ten bags. yeah, bet you haven't him yeah, i bet you haven't paid him that much in time. that's that much in that time. that's true. i would say. would true. so i would say. i would say there should some say there should be some leniency. and does everyone leniency. and why does everyone need about it? need to know about it? >> like stealing >> he wasn't like stealing a roast chicken something. >> he wasn't like stealing a roa�*hehicken something. >> he wasn't like stealing a roa�*hehicken havenething. >> he wasn't like stealing a roa�*hehicken havenethiihe >> he wasn't like stealing a roa�*he hicken havenethiihe should >> he should have now. he should have shouldn't he have done now, shouldn't he? he must thinking wish i'd must be thinking now. i wish i'd gone straight the tv aisle, gone straight to the tv aisle, scooped all the and put scooped up all the tvs and put them of the bags for life. >> no, know you think it's a >> no, i know you think it's a

crime, no, has fact. crime, no, he has the fact. excuse me, that . is that this excuse me, is that. is that this is a message send to the is a message not to send to the employees? yeah, send employees? yeah, but to send that other people in the that all the other people in the world. in the world that there's no special favours. you have to pay no special favours. you have to pay for the bag. no stealing. >> well, i'm to stick >> well, i'm going to stick with. might have been tired. with. he might have been tired. yeah. like it's easy yeah. it's like it's easy to forget that. >> shouldn't have been >> maybe he shouldn't have been working. tired. working. he was tired. sainsbury's favour by sainsbury's did him a favour by by out his job. by putting him out of his job. >> well, lewis being >> yeah. okay. well, lewis being really he does. does really brutal. he does. he does change. quite capricious, change. he's quite capricious, isn't he, lewis? >> he doesn't mean anything he says so we have no idea >> he doesn't mean anything he sajwell. so we have no idea >> he doesn't mean anything he sayall.. so we have no idea >> he doesn't mean anything he sayall right.yo we have no idea >> he doesn't mean anything he sayall right. let's have no idea >> all right. let's go to a final question now luke. final question now from luke. where luke? hi. good evening. where is luke? hi. good evening. >> in the presence of >> andrew. in the presence of the gammon the the people's gammon and the world's most attractive carnivore , joe biden's carnivore was, joe biden's uncle, really eaten by cannibals ? >> 7- >> yeah. so ? >> yeah. so this is . 7 >> yeah. so this is . so this was >> yeah. so this is. so this was the claim made by the president at a war memorial in pennsylvania, where he began discussing the circumstances surrounding his uncle's death dunng surrounding his uncle's death during world war two. and we do have a clip. let's have a look .

have a clip. let's have a look. >> my uncle and i called him ambrose the bruiser. they called him bougie. bougie was a hell of an athlete. they told me when he was a kid and he became an army air corps before the air force came along , air corps before the air force came along, he air corps before the air force came along , he flew those single came along, he flew those single engine planes as reconnaissance over war zones, and he got shot down in new guinea and, they never found the body because it used to be there a lot of cannibals . cannibals. >> quick response, louis, because we don't have much time. >> he's a racist. because we don't have much time. >> he's a racist . okay? >> he's a racist. okay? >> he's a racist. okay? >> i don't know what he means by that. and paul . that. and paul. >> no, i mean, it's sad now, isn't it? it is sad. i mean , i'm isn't it? it is sad. i mean, i'm looking at that thinking that's the of the world. the leader of the free world. yeah >> and it. >> and it. >> yeah, it's standing for exactly standing for. he doesn't know he is, but standing, know he is, but he's standing, he's standing for he's standing, he's standing for another election against i mean, look, sad and i do feel look, it is sad and i do feel bad when people mock him for his cognitive etc. bad when people mock him for his cogbut'e etc. bad when people mock him for his cogbut on etc. bad when people mock him for his cogbut on the etc. bad when people mock him for his cogbut on the other. bad when people mock him for his cogbut on the other hand, the >> but on the other hand, the white house aren't admitting it. no, leader of the

no, it's the leader of the free world. so you to it's not world. so you have to it's not his is it? his fault, is it? >> not fault. it's >> it's not his fault. it's the it's around it's the civil servants around him. the people that prop him. it's the people that prop him. it's the people that prop him their own gain. no. him up for their own gain. no. >> he is. it is his own fault. he's vegan diet. he's basically on a vegan diet. he's basically on a vegan diet. he's incredibly he's got incredibly, incredibly low cholesterol levels. that's why he's got this pallor of death on him. he can barely open his eyes. he. he needs meat. right, louis? >> it could just be that he's quite old. no, no, it's not like if you eat meat, you live forever. >> yes, they live. they live a lot longer. if you google, if you google cholesterol level, it's a it's a it's a curve like that where the more as you get older the more cholesterol you need. yeah dude. and they and he's his favourite websites. >> he's on dark web or >> he's on the dark web or whatever is . whatever it is. >> he's he's. >> he's he's. >> no i've had enough. anyway, next up free speech nation, the gay men's network just gay men's network have just unveiled response to the unveiled their response to the cass dennis kavanagh cass review. dennis kavanagh is going here give us a going to be here to give us a sneak preview. please don't go

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health sphere. and to here discuss it, i'm joined by dennis kavanagh, the lawyer and director of the gay men's network. welcome, dennis. hello so let's start with your report from the gay men's network . what from the gay men's network. what is your response in a nutshell to the cass review? our response is basically this, that this is a sad day for the gay rights movement. >> cass is a reality check, and it's shown us that that for decades now, homosexuality has , decades now, homosexuality has, in effect, been medicalized at the nhs. you and i have spoken before about the fact that 8,090% of the kids at the tavistock were same sex attracted , and which has been attracted, and which has been confirmed by the cass review precisely that. >> so we say this , we say this >> so we say this, we say this is a shocking indictment of gay politics and of the gay rights movement generally , particularly movement generally, particularly in view of the fact that the very people who should have been protecting gay youth, principally stonewall, weren't just , didn't just just abandoned, didn't just abandon their post, they joined

the opposition forces when they should have been standing up for these kids. >> and what do you think their response will i know response will be? now, i know stonewall out a kind of stonewall put out a kind of unclear statement, sort of saying, we accept the findings of cass review, but it of the cass review, but it wasn't that clear, was it? >> they've had two statements. they put tweet saying that they put out a tweet saying that they accepted the cass review. their supporters turned their own supporters then turned on , fairly viciously, to on them, fairly viciously, to express their displeasure with it . they've now released it. they've now released a longer statement in which they're scrabbling around in the cass review for crumbs of hope, saying, well, it's not a blanket ban on puberty blockers because there's possibility of a there's still a possibility of a clinical trial, for example. but stonewall need to need to get real on this. this is over now. doctor cass has called time on this homophobic medical scandal. the sitting secretary of state, the shadow secretary of state for health, have accepted. cass. it's time for stonewall to do the same. actually show some leadership and some concern for gay youth. i would make this point, if i may, andrew. that

statement from stonewall, it didn't have the word gay or lesbian once, and that's a lesbian in it once, and that's a powerful indication there. >> okay, well, it might be worth just reading out what stonewall said. they said doctor cass has not called for adolescents to have to their have their right to their identity or autonomy removed, nor recommend nor did doctor cass recommend a blanket ban on social transitioning children transitioning for children of any significantly, any age. most significantly, doctor cass did not support unilateral outing of trans young people by schools. there are clear gaps between recommendations and practical policy, we're already policy, and we're already heanng policy, and we're already hearing reports doctor hearing early reports of doctor cass analysis of and recommendations about social transitioning being used to challenge trans people's rights to identity. but it's interesting, as you say, dennis, they don't mention the key issue here, which is their failure to stand up for gay and lesbian youth. >> yeah, and what a gloss on the cass report that is . if you look cass report that is. if you look at what the cass report actually says about transitioning, says about social transitioning, says about social transitioning, says there says where this occurs, there should to should be reference to a clinician almost immediately because it's not a neutral act. you find that in the you won't find that in the stonewall response, because stonewall response, because stonewall care stonewall don't seem to care about concretising cross—sex

ideation predominantly among homosexual young population. >> but they have bought into this idea that everyone is born with a gender identity and that that might be misaligned to the body. so this a belief system body. so this is a belief system thatis body. so this is a belief system that is now so embedded in stonewall. isn't it time that stonewall. isn't it time that stonewall was longer stonewall was just no longer taken seriously? >> i entirely agree 2015 stonewall the t to the lgb stonewall added the t to the lgb under the leadership of ruth hunt, who promised everyone she wasn't going to do that, but performed a volte face, which is why she's now facing in the wake of this medical scandal. she's now facing a petition started by the author, simon edge, which is coming up on, i think, 16,000 odd signatures. a petition to remove her from the house of lords. >> i know you say that it's time's up now, thanks to casper. isn't it going to be tough? and the reason i say that is there are still so many prominent gay and celebrities and and lesbian celebrities and groups politicians who are groups and politicians who are saying who are standing up for stonewall, who are standing up for kids may have

for the idea that kids may have a misaligned soul and and a misaligned soul and body and actually , given prominence actually, given the prominence of maybe voices of those people, maybe voices like yours are the minority here. >> well, that may or may not be the case, but what matters here is not the weight of numbers. what matters here is who is right about safeguarding these children. and if i'm one voice in 100, i don't care if i'm right . i do in 100, i don't care if i'm right. i do think in 100, i don't care if i'm right . i do think stonewall are right. i do think stonewall are losing purchase in the public sphere , though. i do think sphere, though. i do think politicians are beginning to realise that something has gone very, very seriously wrong here. it is heartening to see a cross—party consensus of serious politicians from the main, the larger parties embracing cass and saying that a post cass nhs should effectively entirely rid itself of this poisonous ideology . ideology. >> and will it be taken up by the politicians? i mean, no, alicia kearns was adding an amendment to the criminal justice try and ban what justice bill to try and ban what she calls trans conversion therapy. but actually, cass specifically to this specifically refers to this saying actually, this saying that actually, this should be mistaken. this should not be mistaken. this should not be mistaken. this should confused the

should not be confused in the way that doing. she way that she's doing. she doesn't alicia kearns, but doesn't name alicia kearns, but she is a common she says that it is a common confusion. >> w- w— g drawn this to >> yeah, and we've drawn this to alicia we alicia kearns attention. we actually, produced a briefing note at gay men's network on that amendment to the criminal justice bill. we've drawn doctor cass's comments to her attention. so far, we've heard absolutely nothing . mrs. kearns absolutely nothing. mrs. kearns seems to think it's fine to speak over and speak for gay men. when gay men are telling her, look, there's a problem with this piece of legislation and it has the capacity to harm gay boys. >> what i understand is so >> what i don't understand is so many people, they all many of these people, they all agree that section 28 was this terrible the idea of terrible thing. and the idea of the promotion of the so—called promotion of homosexuality it homosexuality in schools, it should and should never have happened. and here presiding over here they are presiding over something arguably even something which is arguably even worse . woi'se. >> worse. >> yeah, i agree it is an absurd situation and it is orwellian, frankly, for them to be introducing such homophobic legislation and then telling us that it's a gay conversion ban, as we've discussed before, that is precisely the opposite of what it is. what it is state sanctioned and, conversion by

gender and criminal penalties for doctors that don't go along with it. we call upon alicia kearns to withdraw this silly homophobic amendment, and we call on the scottish government to scrap their proposed piece of legislation, which is even worse than the current amendment. >> is it time to divide lgb and t? >> yes. >> yes. >> our interests have been demonstrated now to be entirely contrary, contrary to each other . and look, we are different protected characteristics, right 7 protected characteristics, right ? the those who have the gender reassignment characteristic under the equality act. good luck. good luck to them . and luck. good luck to them. and they call should have rights in law. no one's opposed to that. but this force teaming this marriage cannot work and it's become an abusive relationship. >> i don't understand because i saw jeremy corbyn speak this week as that there is no week as saying that there is no lgb without the t. how can it be the case that gay people who want to organise in their own interests should be connected automatically to the belief in a

gender , which is gender identity, which is a completely separate thing to sexual orientation? does he not? has he not even talked to people about attempted to about this or attempted to understand ? understand? >> it's just another straight man to organise. man telling us how to organise. how ? how dare stand how dare he? how dare he stand up say you guys, you can't up and say you guys, you can't organise us unless you force. unless you force a team with a bunch of other people that i, a straight have chosen straight man, have chosen for you . jeremy corbyn has no right you. jeremy corbyn has no right to to us. he doesn't to say that to us. he doesn't understand this issue. he doesn't understand that our interests are sometimes contradictory, as he's demonstrated by this global homophobic medical scandal. >> now, i wanted to ask you about an open letter that has been put together by james esses, who's a campaigner, and this a letter which has this is a letter which has a number of signatories, including yourself and i should say for complete transparency, including myself. on complete transparency, including mysgovernment on complete transparency, including mysgovernment to on complete transparency, including mysgovernment to have on complete transparency, including mysgovernment to have a on complete transparency, including mysgovernment to have a full the government to have a full investigation the impact of investigation into the impact of gender identity ideology in all aspects life. you aspects of public life. can you tell us bit more about that? tell us a bit more about that? >> sure. i can tell you i'm one of the three directors of gay

men's network. three of us men's network. all three of us have and we support have signed this, and we support james's, efforts here. we also call for a public inquiry in our consultation response, we invite ministers to consider their powers under section one of the 2005 inquiries act, which is established to deal with areas of public concern. well, what more could be of public concern than a medical scandal, where the harm is disproportionately visited on defenceless children? if that's not a matter of public concern, i don't know what is. we need to get gender ideology out of the public sphere. we've got an nhs calling in assaulting women by calling them uterus hovers. we've got the bbc teaching kids there's 100 genders. we've got the cps introducing or proposing two tier prosecution standards in the case of rape by, sorry, sex by deception , which we've by deception, which we've discussed in the past, we've got kemi badenoch saying across the floor of the commons, i was told by my officials, her civil

servants, that i shouldn't meet with keira bell. and we know that that meeting had a fundamental effect on that. >> that's a detransition. >> that's a detransition. >> that's a detransition. >> that's right. kira bell, who heroically and courageously brought and brought the case of bell and tavistock , a judicial review. so tavistock, a judicial review. so we support james's call for there to be a public inquiry. this ideology has run riot. none of us voted for it. none of us got a say in this. and yet it seems to have infested all areas of public life. and we're sick of public life. and we're sick of it. because as we can see with cats, this is not an academic debate, right? it's not the judith butlers and the gender cats, and you know , the gender cats, and you know, the stonewall's, stonewall ceo's at their black tie dinners. who paid the price for this? who pays the price? vulnerable kids, autistic kids, kids that are looked after , this is this is looked after, this is this is not okay. we need to deal with this. >> and you make the point about it not being democratic. it is in both parties. you know, this is the problem. we can't vote this out. there's no way. so is

it likely that a public consultation investigation consultation or investigation will consultation or investigation wiliwell, shall we're >> well, we shall see. we're making for that's making the case for it. that's all we for the time all we could do for the time being. james has amassed very being. james has amassed a very impressive signatures. impressive list of signatures. signatories from all sides of the house, we've got to get real about this. this is a medical scandal without equal. this was gay conversion 2.0 at the tavistock. lives have been ruined by this, evidence from the mayo clinic in america. this just last week suggests that boys, given puberty blockers have testicular atrophy . so the have testicular atrophy. so the tissue in the testicles is degrading and an increased cancer risk. that's where gender has led us to. there's going to be, you know, heaven forbid. but it does seem likely that we're going to end up with some boy walking around now, probably in america, going to end up america, it's going to end up with his testicles with cancer in his testicles because clowns , boys, because of these clowns, boys, and unleashed on and what they unleashed on defenceless . defenceless children. >> finally, dennis, could you tell where we can read your tell us where we can read your full response to the cass review? sure. >> full response

>> the full response is available at gay men's network.com under letters and resources. >> dennis kavanagh, thanks ever so much forjoining me, sir. and next up on free speech nation , next up on free speech nation, doctor carrie mendoza will join us from the united states to tell us what the response has been to the cass review over the pond. don't go anywhere.

welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. the cass review has obviously had a huge impact over here. topping news bulletins and leading to demands for public inquiries , as you just heard inquiries, as you just heard from dennis kavanagh. but had it , has it had any impact over in the united states where there have been also controversies over gender identity issues? well, here to discuss this, i'm delighted to be joined by physician carrie mendoza,

physician doctor carrie mendoza, director of chennai six usa. doctor , thanks so much doctor mendoza, thanks so much for coming on to the show. i just want ask whether just want to ask whether americans have received the cass review in the way that the british have, because i have been informed that the american media hasn't really made much of it. >> andrew, thank you so much for having me. i wish we had a better news over here for you, but it really has been, ignored to a great degree over here in the states . the states. >> and why do you think that is? i mean, is it is it is it is this evidence of the ideological capture of the various institutions in america, or is it that it's just a busy news day? >>i day? >> i think it really is evidence of the ideological capture. you know, the current administration and policy makers really are on and policy makers really are on a very strong tack of writing gender ideology into civil

rights legislation , as well as rights legislation, as well as the general foundations of how medicine is practised here. >> and we saw the same, didn't we, with the w path files, which we, with the w path files, which we covered extensively on this show , that actually these bodies show, that actually these bodies just aren't interested in admitting the problem. one of the aspects of the cass review was that six out of the seven of the adult gender clinics did not share their data. so what can we do to bring this? well, the medical profession back in line with ethical standards . with ethical standards. >> yeah, i think the issue of the data sharing is, is really such a big one. and i think it's super important to focus on that, especially with what's going on in the united states, as we've really made a big business of making electronic health records available. and widely part of the way medicine is practised. and so i think when you look and see the response to a lot of the folks who are trying to make sure that

this care is continued to be available, they're really starting to focus on data privacy and protection as they call it, for, you know, the lgbtq community saying that they shouldn't have to share their data . so i think politically and data. so i think politically and in terms of policy makers , in terms of policy makers, especially over here in our country, where the software designers are really the lead in in the world, we need to really look at the data sharing aspect and how important it is to protect data, but make sure that it is also available for high quality research . quality research. >> but if they are serious about the best interests of these individuals who are undergoing gender medicine, surely it would be in their interest to keep a track of what happened later in life after this treatment? what can their justification possibly be for withholding data when it comes to this ? comes to this? >> well, i really think that clearly they're not wanting the

long tum outcomes to be revealed, as well as things related to medication adverse effects, cancer risk , long term. effects, cancer risk, long term. so i think there's really this focus on ideologically on sort of short terms, interests versus the long tum side effects. and so i think if you're if you're in a position where you don't want to share the data, you just don't want to know, but isn't that against the hippocratic oath? >> isn't that against the whole principle of first do no harm, it absolutely is. it absolutely is, you know, this should not be politicised. this should really be about what is the best for every single patient. if you're a trans identified patient, we need an environment where this is not politicised. we need people who are looking out for your best interests. in terms of long tum outcomes, so you don't get cancer. so you don't get a lot of host of terrible side effects that you might not be

thinking right now because you're thinking more about the short term issues. >> i think the cas review has revealed, objectively, that the evidence base for the use of puberty blockers is weak. will this make any difference whatsoever to current practice in america or indeed, practice thatis in america or indeed, practice that is recommended by the biden administration ? administration? >> it really doesn't seem to be. unfortunately there seems to be a focus more on short term issues of will this make you happy versus is there evidence for a good practice in medicine? and that's where i think the big conflict is related to. people are really looking at the question, is this going to make me happy ? and that is where a me happy? and that is where a lot of the policymakers are focusing, as well as just bodily autonomy . you know, it's very autonomy. you know, it's very libertarian here in the sense that if a patient wants to do something in our country, our systems are set up to say, hey, that could be okay for them to do it.

>> but even with children, even when it comes to children, i mean, that's that's where the big debate is going. >> of course it shouldn't. it shouldn't be. there's no evidence that that is safe at all or that, as cass was saying, they can diagnose you know, who is that, trans identified person now that is going to be unhappy later. let's try and prevent that. so in our country, i think, you know, it may end up going along the lines of abortion politics, where the argument is around bodily autonomy . if someone wants to do autonomy. if someone wants to do that, they should be able to. and so i think that's what the big debate is in our country very interesting. >> well, doctor carrie mendoza, thank you ever so much for joining me on speech joining me next on free speech nation. truss promotes her nation. liz truss promotes her new book, a moment of embarrassment for the incredible hulk , and an elephant gallops hulk, and an elephant gallops through the streets of montana. it's almost time for social sensations. don't anywhere

welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. it's that time of the show. social sensations. it's when we look at what's been going viral on social media. so first up, here's a video of our former prime minister liz truss , prime minister liz truss, attempting to promote her new book let's have a book in america. let's have a look. i've great to you, look. i've great to see you, your thoughts. to great see you. >> and here's my new book. i'll just get it up. sorry. there you go. there we are . go. there we are. >> i mean, god love her. look. well, it's difficult to work out where the camera is and which way you should hold it. >> it took a long to turn the book for book around. and it did for a big minister, didn't it? big prime minister, didn't it? oh oh, oh, we're all liz truss spans now , are we? i you do feel spans now, are we? i you do feel for her because she just she can never have a quite enough of a run to be credible. >> i know. and look that's an easily mockable thing. but i think it's also an easily done

thing. i can i can imagine doing exactly the same thing. >> it's not a sensation. i know it's not. >> it's not. no, it's not a sensation, is it? how do you feel about liz truss, i feel about her using my hands. feel about liz truss, i feel abowhatr using my hands. feel about liz truss, i feel abowhat do ;ing my hands. feel about liz truss, i feel abowhat do you my hands. feel about liz truss, i feel abowhat do you my hanwhat? >> what do you mean? what? lewis? what that mean ? lewis? what does that mean? >> that was hard. >> that was hard. >> laughing. no i would like to apologise. i feel liz truss. but you know what? i feel sorry. i feel sorry for her because, i mean, she was given the keys to the kingdom, and she hasn't. she hasn't even gotten into the driveway. but, you know, to be fair, she was prime minister, and that's no mean feat. she and that's no mean feat. but she wasn't. but by even by british standards, is you're kind standards, which is you're kind of appointed by your fellow mps and then you run and you're not you're not elected. mean, the you're not elected. i mean, the political system is so political system here is so deformed. >> let's get another >> well, okay, let's get another one. is a video where one. now, this is a video where a children's birthday party takes for worse . takes a turn for the worse. >> you want me to give you this one? oh, yeah.

>> i mean, it is terrifying. are the kids really upset about that or. >> they didn't look too happy to me. in fact, it was your birthday. running around screaming. first of all, it was a big green man. yes who's coming in angry, and then he falls over with his legs under his body and he's back to the small i don't know what's his body and he's back to the small on. i don't know what's going on. >> were they upset? and screaming were screaming because they were worried were worried about him, or were they terrified him because he's a terrified of him because he's a big green man? terrified of him because he's a big probablyan? terrified of him because he's a big probably because big >> probably because he's a big green that would have been green man. that would have been the first impression. i don't think have been worried think they'd have been worried for safety. think they'd have been worried for rknow, then they always >> you know, then they always have clowns children's party have clowns at children's party and to and the clowns are scary to children, and the clowns are scary to chiiofen, and the clowns are scary to chiiof course are. of course >> of course they are. of course they're scary. but again, they're scary. but then again, i've kids and some of them, i've had kids and some of them, they deserve to be scared. occasionally they're they deserve to be scared. oc(innocent they're they deserve to be scared. oc(innocent children. 1ey're all innocent children. >> got >> well, finally, we've got this one. residents in butte, one. this is residents in butte, montana, they had a montana, and they had quite a shock this when, when shock this week when, when driving street. let's driving down the street. let's have at what they saw. have a look at what they saw. >> elephant down the >> the elephant walking down the road . oh, my god .

road. oh, my god. >> oh my god . >> oh my god. >> oh my god. >> so are elephants native to montana? well actually, they are native. >> there's mammoth, big woolly mammoths , and they are mammoths, and they are elephants. they are the ones that are very hairy. it just shows the asking you another question. the feminine, the feminisation of elephants , the feminisation of elephants, the feminisation of elephants, the hairless ones are extinct . hairless ones are extinct. >> paul. are they native to montana? >> they're definitely not native to montana, as far as i'm aware. right. i asked lewis about this earlier and he started saying, i've got this impression. he said, i an elephant. he said, i can do an elephant. he started the out started pulling the pockets out of no . okay, let's >> oh please, no. okay, let's definitely move on now. is definitely move on now. this is where going to talk about where we're going to talk about your unfiltered dilemmas. thank your unfiltered dilemmas. thank you emailing in with all of you for emailing in with all of your problems. as usual, let's get from david. david get a dilemma from david. david says the person i hold most dear and to all others in

and look to above all others in this and despicable world this foul and despicable world has and my panel has just said me and my panel instead of my panel and i, how can i ever forgive or overlook the shocking use of the english language? know what language? hey, you know what david? this a difficult job. david? this is a difficult job. especially you've especially when you've got a cold you're not well and you cold and you're not well and you have pretend to be all happy. have to pretend to be all happy. and actually, i'm this sort and actually, i'm just this sort of of darkness . let's of black void of darkness. let's get another dilemma now from holly. holly says, i was on the train the other when two train the other day when two young were chatting about young girls were chatting about the was the woes of modern dating. i was obviously eavesdropping and thought went thought i could help, so i went up to them and offered some love life advice. seemed rather life advice. they seemed rather grateful, but my husband ridiculed me for being intrusive. the intrusive. did i overstep the mark? well, louis, you know about overstepping mark? about overstepping the mark? yeah. this count. yeah. with this count. >> well, i know when i go talk to women that they say to young women that they say that me. to young women that they say tha not me. to young women that they say tha not just women. >> not just women. >> not just women. >> no. yeah you got to, >> yeah. no. yeah you got to, you know, i see people like, who are fat, like paul, and i want to. i want to help him . and you to. i want to help him. and you can't. you can't help anybody. nowadays, people beyond nowadays, people are beyond help. that's why i talk to the general. you can't talk to

people, specifically people who general. you can't talk to peofat, specifically people who general. you can't talk to peofat like cifically people who general. you can't talk to peofat like paul. .ly people who general. you can't talk to peofat like paul. you've)le who general. you can't talk to peofat like paul. you've got vho general. you can't talk to peofat like paul. you've got to» are fat like paul. you've got to have reply to that. have a reply to that. >> louis you know >> no. well louis is, you know what horrible , what horrible, horrible, horrible, absolutely horrible. >> but i do love him. >> but i do love him. >> he's the only man i've ever truly loved, andrew, so can't truly loved, andrew, so i can't say word against very say a bad word against very quickly overstepping the mark. say a bad word against very quickly or erstepping the mark. say a bad word against very quickly or no?3pping the mark. >> yes or no? >>— >> yes or no? >> what do you think? yeah. >> what do you think? yeah. >> why would >> well, yes. i mean, why would you, you walk down you, you would you walk down a train eavesdrop train carriage, eavesdrop on a conversation? not for advice. >> more >> i think we need more boundanesin >> i think we need more boundaries in society, particularly louis. boundaries in society, partiiularly louis. boundaries in society, partii think louis. boundaries in society, partii think you louis. boundaries in society, partii think you need louis. boundaries in society, partii think you need to uis. boundaries in society, partii think you need to develop and i think you need to develop more boundaries for own. more boundaries for your own. for your own sake. yeah, i agree that's moral this that's been the moral of this episode. joining episode. and thanks for joining us nation. this us for free speech nation. this was week when truss had was the week when liz truss had trouble new book, trouble plugging her new book, someone a job over some someone lost a job over some bags for life. and of course, the review changed the the cast review changed the world gender medicine world of gender medicine forever. fingers crossed. thank you panel , forever. fingers crossed. thank you panel, paul cox and you to my panel, paul cox and louis schaefer to of my louis schaefer to all of my brilliant this evening. brilliant guests. this evening. and want to join live and if you want to join us live in the studio, you can part in the studio, you can be part of our wonderful dead of our wonderful audience. dead easy. to sro easy. just go to sro audiences.com. that's right there on screen . come along, there on the screen. come along, apply there on the screen. come along, apply and we've got wine. we've got food. it's a it's a lot of

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