weather >> it's 9 pm. this is patrick christys . tonight's with me. christys. tonight's with me. ben. leo awaab ishak. georgia day. it's time to end the shame and make saint george's day a national bank holiday damaging for the bbc. >> well, you can't have the fact that one of the most trusted men in britain turns out, really, to be not worthy of that trust. >> we're still suffering . >> we're still suffering. parents of the person at the centre of the huw edwards scandal have slammed the bbc in the wake of his resignation, and nigel's de—banking latest. he's taking them all to the cleaners . taking them all to the cleaners. oh, and just who's been appointed our new ambassador to the us ? appointed our new ambassador to the us .7 meanwhile, my urgent the us.7 meanwhile, my urgent warning to the us? meanwhile, my urgent warning to britain, al—qaeda's top terror chief in the uk, could be released from prison in just a matter of weeks. >> and no, i'm not particularly proud to be british. i'd rather

be french . be french. >> what to do with self—loathing britain haters like that. tomorrow's newspaper front pages are on the way too, and my top panel are ready to go. tonight i'm joined by political commentator esther krakue , commentator esther krakue, conservative mp for romford, andrew rosindell, and author and broadcaster amy nicole turner. strap yourselves in. let's do this. it's time to reclaim britain's identity. next . identity. next. >> good evening. i'm ray addison in the gb newsroom. our top stories. the prime minister says the government will increase defence spending to 2.5% of gdp by 2030. during a trip to poland, rishi sunak said the budget will reach £87 billion by the end of the decade . the end of the decade. addressing troops, he also said

the uk defence industry will be put on a war footing. mr sunak called the plans the biggest strengthening of our national defence in a generation. >> as churchill said in 1934, to urge the preparation of defence is not to insert the imminence of war. on the contrary, if war was imminent, preparations for defence would be too late. i believe we must do more to defend our country, our interests and our values. so today i'm announcing the biggest strengthening of our national defence. for a generation . we defence. for a generation. we will increase defence spending to a new baseline of 2.5% of gdp by 2030. >> that announcement comes as rishi sunak warned president putin will not stop at the poush putin will not stop at the polish border if his assault on ukraine is allowed to continue. earlier, britain pledged its largest ever package of aid for kyiv worth £500 million during the warsaw trip. the pm is

holding talks with the leaders of poland, germany and nato, warning that the defence of ukraine is essential to our joint security . well, ukraine's joint security. well, ukraine's president zelenskyy has welcomed the package , which includes the package, which includes long—range missiles, armoured vehicles and boats . on the day vehicles and boats. on the day that five channel migrants died off the french coast, including a four year old child, gb news can reveal that more than 250 others have crossed to the uk . a others have crossed to the uk. a small boat got into difficulties off wimereux beach near boulogne before 2 am. a number of other migrants were rescued, with at least one now critically ill in hospital . five other small boats hospital. five other small boats have now been received by border force and the dover lifeboat, with migrants transported to the processing centre in dover harbour. a further two boats were seen heading towards uk waters . police were faced with waters. police were faced with violence at a saint george's day eventin violence at a saint george's day event in whitehall this afternoon, when a group tried to force its way through a cordon. mounted officers on horses

needed to intervene when the group broke through a police barrier. the force earlier said that it expected some quote , far that it expected some quote, far right groups and groups linked to football clubs to attend the event. police say six people have been arrested . for the have been arrested. for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code. it's on your screen right now or go to gb news. com slash alerts. now it's back to ben. >> a very good evening to you and happy saint george's day. so the celebrations seen across england today have been more emphatic than i can ever remember. and this tweet this morning from the mail on sunday's dan hodges caught my eye. dan said genuine question. how many of us have actually ever done anything significant to celebrate saint george's day? maybe we should indeed celebrate it more, but i can't honestly say i've ever done anything for it. well, that got me thinking, because i'll be honest, i've never given saint george's day more than i guess , a nod in the

more than i guess, a nod in the past, and i reckon lots of others are in the same boat. but something's changed this year. i think it's finally clicked that no longer should we be embarrassed about english patriotism, like it's some sort of dirty little secret . and i of dirty little secret. and i reckon the catalyst for that has been the mission creep over the years to strip this country of all its identity and controlled mass migration, the blatant agenda to bring down the royal family institutional embarrassment over our colonial past or quite simply, just insane suggestions that sir winston churchill was worse than hitler. and let's not forget a generation of self—loathing youngsters who have been indoctrinated to hate themselves and the nation at the altar of historic guilt. we've been coerced to forget our greatness, the industrial revolution, our towering cathedrals, william shakespeare, magna carta , fish shakespeare, magna carta, fish and chips, and the insistent that we mustn't grumble . there that we mustn't grumble. there are forces who want to muddy our history and scupper our future because they hate everything we're about. but after years of attacks, the pendulum is finally swinging the other way. never

before has the phrase use it or lose it been so apt and celebrating our country with pride, much like the americans do, but without the embarrassment, should now be an annual event marked with a bank holiday. as the great man once said, there is a forgotten, nay, almost forbidden word , which almost forbidden word, which means more to me than any other. that's word is england. but let's get the thoughts of my panel tonight. i'm joined by social commentator esther krakue, conservative mp for romford, andrew rosindell, and author and broadcaster amy nicole turner. here we go. this is like my nightly bit of exercise, isn't it? doing that walk nearly didn't make it though. evening all. thanks for joining me, amy. let's start with you. a national bank houday with you. a national bank holiday for saint george's day. the scots do it. why can't we? >> well, yeah, i'd be insane to turn down the opportunity of a free bank holiday, wouldn't i? >> and i actually think a bank houday >> and i actually think a bank holiday would be just the thing to get us a bit more interested in saint george's day. >> so you support it? yeah. >> so you support it? yeah. >> well, a free holiday. >> well, a free holiday. >> of course i do. >> just for the fact it's a free

holiday. it's a bit of a lame reason. >> well, sorry. sorry. >> well, sorry. sorry. >> no, it would definitely do well to increase my patriotism . well to increase my patriotism. >> okay. all right. andrew rosindell. i've just clocked you a red sox. you're a red tie. and of course, your red rose, in full swing tonight. i said that was a labour reference. that that rose. but i was just having a bit of a dig at you. a bank houday a bit of a dig at you. a bank holiday for saint george's day. yes or no? >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> i've campaigned for it for two decades. ever since i've been an mp . it's absolutely been an mp. it's absolutely wrong that we celebrate saint patrick's day . the irish have patrick's day. the irish have amazing celebrations in scotland. it's a bank holiday for saint andrew's day. every country i go to around the world, they have fantastic celebrations for their national identity, their culture, their heritage. but in england it's all dumbed down. well, that needs to change, right? >> so you've campaigned for two decades, right? why has it not happened? why? why are we so ashamed about the saint george's flag? saint george's day? what is it? why can why can the welsh and the irish and the scots all take great pride in their flag

and their country? but when it comes to the english, we're so shamed. why is that? >> i don't know, and i think it's appalling. and i think we need to change something to make it happen. now i've tried for many years under both governments. david cameron, he considered it tony blair. i put it to him , but nobody has it to him, but nobody has grasped it. now. the argument is that it's another bank holiday, which means another day off and the economy can't take it. so i've suggested that you can buy may day and saint george's day and have one bank holiday, but brand it saint george's day because that means something to the english people. >> it's interesting that you said cameron didn't consider it or swerved it. i mean, how far down the line did you get? >> well, look, every time they look at it and every time they say it's going to cost the economy a lot of to money have another day off. >> so that's why i'm suggesting have one bank holiday for saint george's day. you don't really need may day because nobody really celebrates that particularly. it'sjust really celebrates that particularly. it's just get rid of it. it's a non day. so let's make it saint george's day instead okay. >> good shout esther krakue

welcome to the show. thank you. yay or nay for a bank holiday saint george's day. >> nay, nay i think i actually think if your patriotism is bought by a single bank holiday, then it's very it's very cheaply bought and on the cost of a bank holiday. i hate to be that person. it costs the economy £2.9 billion, a bank holiday. person. it costs the economy £2.9 billion, a bank holiday . at £2.9 billion, a bank holiday. at the end of the day, i think symbols of patriotism don't necessarily have to be a flag. so in the americans basically worship their flag. but we in. what's wrong with that? no. it's fine. it's a bit odd, i find i find the, the kinds of patriotism strange. i mean, i went to universal studios , you went to universal studios, you know, they have that giant ball with like, the flags of the world. and there was always a group of people that would stand by and wait for the american flag. us us. and there were hundreds. >> oh, i love that. why can't why can't we be like the americans? >> because, because because they're a bit strange in that regard. it's true. but i do think there are the symbols of patriotism. like the royal family, we tend to revere more institutions than than something like a flag. and i think that's just english culture, and i think we should accept it. i don't think we should, you know, try and bribe people with a bank houday try and bribe people with a bank holiday to become more patriotic

about saint george's day. >> have you noticed that this year has been more emphatic than previous years? and also andrew, do you agree with me that it's because it's a reaction? i guess , to the feeling that, you know, slowly our identity, our culture is being eroded away. do you see that response today ? that response today? >> i do, and in my constituency in romford , we had big in romford, we had big celebrations on saturday. i've gone all around the constituency . everybody wants to celebrate saint george's day. can i just say that by not having these symbols, by not making a special day, by not celebrating it and flying the flag, do you know what we're doing? we're creating a vacuum . something else could a vacuum. something else could take its place. i think patriotism is a good thing. it bnngs patriotism is a good thing. it brings people together. it means that everyone can be united, loving their country, cherishing their traditions and the english way of life. if we don't do it, if we don't make it something special, then something else could come. >> we do have, which is something more sinister. >> we do have some balls. it just doesn't happen to be a flag. we're a country that

reveres more institutions than flags. it'sjust reveres more institutions than flags. it's just it's just the way that british people are. >> do you think the scots are weirdos for, you know, adoring scots are not like americans. >> and they have they have completely different culture, i'm pretty sure, like drinking is a national. >> but the thing is, i think if the country was doing well and we felt like we had something to celebrate, we would be inclined to feel more patriotic. you see, that's another thing that i have an issue with because your patriotism cannot be linked to basically the decisions of politicians. >> i think that's not the that's that's not the definition of patriotism. the opposite. well, exactly the opposite. >> i'm not saying you should be proud of the country, your values and what brings you together outside of westminster politicians. >> and that's that's a very fair point. but i don't think we should reduce it to, oh, we're not patriotic about saint george's state, but loving your country. we are patriotic about celebrating your traditions, is about our history. >> it's about what we've done over many centuries . it's about over many centuries. it's about what our forebears did to fight for our freedom , democracy, rule for our freedom, democracy, rule of law, and all the wonderful things , things that we've done things, things that we've done over the centuries. this isn't just about today. it's

over the centuries. this isn't just about today . it's about just about today. it's about hundreds of years, thousands of years of english history. >> and that's what it's about. esther, i disagree with that because in recent years i'd say the past. andrew, no offence to your party. over the past 14 years, things have gone downhill pretty rapidly because there's no conservatives left. but in recent years, i'm here, people you probably , as liz truss would you probably, as liz truss would say, the only conservative left in the room, or a few of them. anyway, in recent years, a lot of people in this country feel like there has been an attack, a mission creep, as i described it, on the very fabric of britain's or england's identity at least attacks on the royal family to abolish them, abolish the monarchy , even trying to get the monarchy, even trying to get the monarchy, even trying to get the grand national and great iconic events like that shut down. so i disagree where you say that it shouldn't be about patriotism, shouldn't be about politics, because in actual fact, i think a lot of people have become so disillusioned with the country in recent years that now we're finally realising we have a great country here. we are iconic, we're historic, we're full of very brave and courageous and innovative people. and it's time now. we, as i said in my, thoughts at the top of the show, use it or lose

it before we lose all sense of identity completely. >> i do agree with you, but i think you want to elevate institutions or symbols of patriotism that you already have. you already you just said, you know, you weren't always a big celebrator of saint george's day. i guess most people are not. so what's the point of elevating something that's not as big of a deal as as entrenched in english culture? but you have, you know, the royal family, grand national horse racing and all these other institutions that are very important to what it means to be british and english. why why don't you elevate those? >> a brilliant example of patriotism , i think, was the patriotism, i think, was the opening ceremony at the olympics in 2012. we all love that. we got behind that and that was celebration. >> yeah, what a great year. can i just very, very quickly i don't know if we've got the pictures show these pictures from the celebrations in london today where the police scuffled with, people who are celebrating. there was a couple of arrests for being drunk and disorderly. why haven't we seen the same authoritarian approach by the police? they're all dressed in riot gear and batons, and down there in meat wagons to people out and about, just celebrating saint george's day. why don't we see that on the

pro—palestine marches week after week, where they're carrying nazi placards and everything else? it's a two tier policing system. we've got it's a one tier police, it's just policing. >> and they extended the boundary that was agreed with the police. the pro—palestine marches don't do they were just trying. >> also the volume, i mean pro—palestine marches just on a technicality. there are about 20 to 30,000 people that descend onto london. >> well, even more so . this is >> well, even more so. this is about a hundred people. it looks like there's a couple of hundred people there trying to walk down the street. the police from what, from what i can see are intentionally stopping them from walking down the street and causing the police look from these pictures look like they're up for a for a scuffle because the organisers said we will end the organisers said we will end the march at this point and then go backwards. >> and they extended through. >> and they extended through. >> and they extended through. >> and that's why i find it amazing. people have been arrested for being arrested for being drunk and disorderly, yet people can go down whitehall screaming for invitada river to the sea carrying swastikas, and they don't get nicked. >> this actually proves the point because we don't make it a proper national day of celebration. you finish up having people doing independent marches and protests and their own things. other countries make

it a national celebration. they celebrate it in schools. they celebrate it in schools. they celebrate it in schools. they celebrate it for businesses, celebrated organisations celebrated organisations celebrate it, and the people cherish their identity. if you don't cherish your identity, you lose it . and so we need to do lose it. and so we need to do more than we're doing. otherwise. this kind of thing is going to happen, but i think that shows that it needs reclaiming, doesn't it? >> because the people that were celebrating there, that was far right groups, that was football, was it? >> they seemed like a bunch of old pensioners to me. i don't know. >> when we watched the extended footage from from that. it isn't a great flying of the flag that just leans into the stereotypes. >> okey dokey, let's move on. it's of course, the final week to see how your next holiday could be on us, with your chance to win a greek cruise for two £10,000 in cash and luxury travel gifts. it's a prize worth over 20 grand and it could be yours. don't miss out. here's all the details you need. >> it's the final week to see how you can win our biggest prize yet. there's an incredible £10,000 in tax free cash to spend however you like. plus, courtesy of variety cruises, a

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accuses them of covering up his de—banking scandal last year. nigel is here to explain why he's not letting this one go. but up next, talent manager jonathan shalit goes head to head with former ukip leader henry bolton, asking if the bbc and i think they should make the findings of their huw edwards investigation public. this is patrick christys tonight with me, ben leo, only on gb news. hey

patrick christys. tonight with me. ben. leo. only on gb news coming up. nigel farage de—banking scandal. latest and his thoughts on trump and rwanda. but first, should the bbc share their investigation into huw edwards with the public, it's time for tonight's head to head . with the bbc's head to head. with the bbc's star newsreader announced his resignation from the broadcast yesterday. nine months after he was suspended following allegations that he paid an unnamed person thousands of pounds for explicit pictures . pounds for explicit pictures. the parents of the person in question have now spoken to the sun this morning, saying this isn't the end for us. we've been suffering immensely for nearly a yeah suffering immensely for nearly a year. we still have so many questions and need the bbc to answer them. however, reports in today's newspapers suggest that the internal bbc investigation into huw edwards has been shared with the star himself. but the outcome is unlikely to be made public. outcome is unlikely to be made pubuc.the outcome is unlikely to be made public. the bbc also told us

yesterday that they will not comment on internal processes despite the investigation, and huw edwards £430,000 a year salary being funded by you and me. the licence fee payer. so tonight i'm asking, as the devastated parents of the person involved in the huw edwards scandal say they fear the episode will be swept under the rug should the bbc make its investigation public, let me know your thoughts by heading to gbnews.com/yoursay or tweet me @gbnews. and whilst you're there, vote in our poll. the results will come very, very shortly. but first, going head to head on this. our pr expert and talent manager jonathan shalit and former ukip leader henry bolton. good evening to you both, henry. does the beeb need to be more transparent about this huw edwards affair and get this investigation into the public domain , i think, tom, the public domain, i think, tom, yes, the it ben. >> sorry, it's i don't know, the answer is yes. not the investigation, not the details of the evidence , not the of the evidence, not the submissions that have been made

by various people , but the by various people, but the findings. yes, because the bbc has a responsibility as as the national news broadcaster, if you like, funded by from the pubuc you like, funded by from the public themselves, has a responsibility to demonstrate not only that they have integrity, which is already obviously highly questionable, but that they are doing everything they can to maintain it, in this particular case, i'm afraid it feels as though they are looking after huw edwards. and it has to be said that the police investigation found no criminal action at all had taken place, no criminal offences had taken place. and it's destroyed. hugh's career. it's obviously caused personal problems for all sorts of other people. we don't really know exactly who, but the answer is yes. the findings should be made public because this is an organisation that survives that exists because of pubuc survives that exists because of public confidence within it, and

because it is funded by the public. and the public have every right to know that a star presenter of that organisation has. when allegations are made, is going to be submitted to a proper investigation and the findings are going to be robust. >> all right, jonathan, of course, no criminality has been found by the police. two police forces investigated it, the met and the welsh police. but there were complaints from junior staff members at the bbc about huw edwards. on top of the allegations that he paid £35,000 for explicit pictures from a person . person. >> individuals, just because they work for public organisations, are also entitled to privacy . what i think is key to privacy. what i think is key here, from what we know and of course from what we all know externally, is as, henry just said, the police investigated and following what the sun wrote, the police found no criminal suggestion to take any

further. so that's very clear. no criminality . what's also no criminality. what's also seems very clear. is this all took place in the privacy of hugh's home. it took place on his own personal equipment, in his own personal equipment, in his own personal time . i don't his own personal time. i don't think it can be expected that if an employee of an organisation, publicly taxpayer funded or not, has activities in their own private time within the law, that it's not for the employer to be publicising the inquiries into them. if this had taken place on bbc property or with bbc equipment, that'd be a whole different conversation. but this is his private time on private equipment in his private home, so i don't see why. well, jonathan made public. >> huw edwards has been off before resigning yesterday. he was off for nine months, getting paid 35 grand a month. still, he was signed off sick. and the investigation that the bbc have carried out was funded by licence fee payers. so do you not agree there should be an

element of transparency on that front ? front? >> so i think the bbc have been transparent and saying what they don't like, people don't like what they've done . but the what they've done. but the director—general of the bbc also has a responsibility to the employees of the bbc. if huw edwards is off on medical grounds for a long period of time, that also has to be respected. i mean, people have a right to be protected as well, and he's become very unwell as it appears on medical grounds that it's not for us to question that it's not for us to question that we're not doctors . if that we're not doctors. if people have worked for our organisation for a long time, they're very clear laws in this country that you're you are kept on salaries and you are protected and looked after your employer. i don't think the question is about the bbc investigation. it's a bigger issue of how companies treat employees and employees are entitled to privacy. it still remains. huw edwards did not break the law and the police haven't charged them or investigated him. so it took place in his own home. it's like

you if you got up to mischief, leo. not not me, jonathan, i said last night, i'm vanilla. >> no skeletons in my closet . >> no skeletons in my closet. bnng >> no skeletons in my closet. bring it on. >> let's say another. someone else @gbnews gets up to indiscretions in the privacy of their own home away from the office. it's not the business of gb news, but, jonathan, we're not. >> we're not funded by the licence fee payers. gb news is a private company. we're not funded by lie. i've seen this argument online. we are not. the bbc are funded millions and millions and millions of pounds. huw edwards was on £430,000 a yeah huw edwards was on £430,000 a year. yes. no. criminality fine. it's a question of morals, though. henry bolton . though. henry bolton. >> yeah, look, i agree, i hate witch hunts. i despise them . witch hunts. i despise them. there are so many cases of politicians, particularly , but politicians, particularly, but also some celebrities who have been pursued , food and whose been pursued, food and whose private lives have been ripped apart by the media, by organisations including the bbc and, you know, so i despise that

sort of behaviour. but the bbc must tread a very difficult path. it has its own integrity to think of. it has the integrity of, of , of an integrity of, of, of an organisation or it needs to look after the integrity of an organisation that is funded from the public purse and, and has a reputation to uphold. it is already failing to do that. i'm not saying that they should divulge all sorts of personal details, no, but they do have a responsibility to tell the british people who fund them, whether or not one of their star presenters has actually committed something that they feel is such a misdemeanour that he needs to resign or be sacked , he needs to resign or be sacked, and i think that is the least that can be done. it's the rest of it, in a sense, is mistakes and errors and tragedy. nothing illegal. okay. and lives have been wrecked. but there is an integrity issue that's broader than just hugh and he should

have recognised that as well. fascinating debate. >> jonathan shalit, great points. i just think at the very least we should know about the complaints made by the bbc staff against huw edwards. i mean, that's a that's a good enough reason to make some of the investigation public. henry bolton, jonathan shalit, thank you very much for your contributions. so what have you been saying? online, john on x says the public is forced to pay his wages or they were anyway before he resigned. so we should see the investigation on janice on x says the man's been hospitalised because of his mental health. he should be left alone. and colin on x says why should they? the police investigation was completed. he had no case to answer. what more do you want? and your verdict is now in. 81% of you agree the bbc should make its investigation into huw edwards public, while 19% of you say they should keep it under wraps. coming up, as harry and meghan hire a new pr team with a brit at the helm of european operations , are they european operations, are they trying to rebuild relationships with britain? editor at large of the mail on sunday, charlotte griffiths joins me for the royal

dispatch. but first, nigel farage is de—banking scandal row rumbles on. but who's in his sights this time ? he reveals all sights this time? he reveals all next. this is patrick christys tonight, only on gb news with me ben. leo.

patrick christys. tonight with me. ben. leo only on gb news still to come does harry and meghan's latest pr hire indicate a desire to build bridges with

britain . the man on sunday's britain. the man on sunday's editor at large, charlotte griffiths, reveals all but first, on saint george's day, we welcome the ultimate patriot. it's nigel farage and nigel de—banking scandal is still rumbling on, with the brexit baron accusing natwest lawyers of a lack of transparency after his bank account was closed for political reasons last year. nigel, of course, has made a subject access request to law firm travers smith to reveal all the information they held on him, but was told and i can't believe this, they cannot disclose the details because of, quote, legal privilege, privilege , he told the daily privilege, he told the daily telegraph. the cover up continues. you have to ask why trevor smith do not want a record of documents relating to the investigation to be made public, given the public still own a large share in the bank. we have a right to know what are they trying to hide? evening, nigel. what are they trying to hide? tell us. >> good evening. well, today was the natwest agm and their new chairman, rick haythornthwaite , chairman, rick haythornthwaite, said that 2023 had led to some unforeseen circumstances .

unforeseen circumstances. >> you bet your life it did , so >> you bet your life it did, so here's the here's the form . here's the here's the form. >> they are about to do a public offering of shares to encourage the great to buy shares in apple bank that we bailed out a bank, by the way , that has now cost by the way, that has now cost the taxpayer over £40 billion today. and they want to do it against the background of their absolute dishonesty. they de—banking me, they lied about it. i got the subject access requests that proved the reasons why they did it. they then decided to try and cover it up through a city law firm called travis smith . by the way, who's travis smith. by the way, who's who's emeritus chairman described brexiteers as racists and xenophobes. i mean, you know, how neutral is that? and when i then asked them for a subject access request, all i get is 139 pages of press cuttings , no personal cuttings, no personal information about what was about

what was said between natwest and them, about me , because and them, about me, because they're claiming legal privilege. this was not a legal inquiry . they were brought in to inquiry. they were brought in to examine the reasons for the decision. the cover up continues now . west could, at the stroke now. west could, at the stroke of a pen, say to travis smith, you know, please give him the information that he's legally entitled to. so the fight goes on.and entitled to. so the fight goes on. and what i'm saying is this this bank is not fit for selling shares to the great british pubucin shares to the great british public in an offering that they continue with this dishonest policy. and no wonder the share price is down by tubes. since i went public, you know, from the moment i spoke out to the bottom drop, the shares fell 36. so i tell you what, natwest, if you want another fight with nigel farage, i'm ready for you. >> there we go. >> there we go. and >> there we go. and look, >> there we go. and look, nigel, it does make you wonder what they are trying to hide because when you submitted that subject

access request to natwest, you uncovered a trove of, quite frankly, vile and awful comments about you calling you an awful human being that, you know, i'm not going to go into them, but, you know, it just makes you wonder why they are being so secretive. by the way, i take it you didn't get an invite to their agm today ? their agm today? >> no, it sadly, it was an edinburgh, had it been in london, i might just have showed up, you know, and i wouldn't have been very. i wouldn't have been very popular or got past security. i don't think, though. >> i mean, it would have made good telly. >> you should have taken a camera down there. >> yeah. look, the point is, this is a really important. the reason i came out as being debunked was because i knew it was happening to lots of other people. we've learned in the last 48 hours that complaints to the financial ombudsman about de—banking are up by 44. last yean de—banking are up by 44. last year, and that's just from corporate companies , let alone corporate companies, let alone individuals. there is 1 million bank accounts have been closed in this country in the last four

years. this is a major scandal. i went public not just for me, but on behalf of so many other people. and if you haven't got a bank account, the modern world, it's like not having electricity or water coming into your house without without a bank account. digital world, you literally cannot survive. >> yeah. figures from the treasury committee showed that in the last financial year alone, there were there was a 44% spike in complaints to the ombudsman about de—banking . so ombudsman about de—banking. so the question is, nigel, when is natwest going to pony up and pay you your compensation? >> well, they're not very keen to do that, you know. of course, if we were in america , i mean, i if we were in america, i mean, i could make enough to i mean, you know, i'd literally retire on what they'd have to pay me. and ihave what they'd have to pay me. and i have incurred throughout this process massive legal costs of my of my own. you know, i couldn't do that. i couldn't do this fight without dotting the i's and crossing the t's. and so i've had legal representation and help all the way through this . i and help all the way through this. i hope i've and help all the way through this . i hope i've uncovered the this. i hope i've uncovered the plight of many other people who've been unfairly debunked. i've got promises from

government and from the financial conduct authority that they will change the law and change the rules. well, given the mess this government said, you'd better hurry up because labour show no sign of even being vaguely interested. >> oh, so, nigel, i've heard you talk in recent days about concerns with aml anti money laundering and kyc. know your customer legislation, which apparently i didn't know this. it's all european legislation . it's all european legislation. >> so it started at about nine in about 1990 when i was working in about 1990 when i was working in the city in the commodities markets. a whole raft of new rules came in and we sat down with a compliance officer. i said, where's this come from ? said, where's this come from? oh, well, this is what the regulator no, no no no. where's this come from. oh it's come from the european community. really. how interesting . it was really. how interesting. it was one of the beginnings of my eurosceptic journey . and we've eurosceptic journey. and we've now had masses of this stuff. the problem is this. the banks are so scared. if they don't check what are considered to be unusual transactions, they could face massive fines. it's easier for the banks to simply close

accounts than spend the time on due diligence. so there's a massive problem here. it's bad regulation. one of my prayers for brexit was that we'd have a government with a majority. by the way, i help them get in 2019 that would re—examine this and go through it and simplify it. and do you know what the conservative party has done? nothing. >> okay. well, look, we approached the law firm, trevor smith today, but they of course refused to provide a comment. nigel let me briefly get your thoughts on rishi's rwanda plan. it got through parliament last night. he's taking a victory lap. you think it's not going to work? of course. five people tragically died overnight . i tragically died overnight. i mean, what's going to happen with it ultimately? well i mean, this piece of law says that judges can just ignore the human rights act 1998. >> i don't see constitutionally how that works, particularly given how the supreme court has ruled already. i suspect that when it comes to sending flights, you will see the biggest, most protracted legal battle in our lifetimes. and

because rishi is up the ante, you know, no foreign court will tell us what we can do in our country and all this sort of thing, as if he's going to ignore the echr, he's got that to contend with. he's got the human rights act to contend with. he's got a supreme court with. he's got a supreme court with precedent to contend with. and for all these reasons, ben, i believe now i didn't yesterday morning, but i now believe the general election will come in late june or early july. he has to have the election out of the way before this policy completely fails. and even if it worked , and we sent 200 people worked, and we sent 200 people to rwanda in the first month, what use is that? if there arriving 500 a day, it isn't going to work. it's a catastrophe. i above all people. i was the one that exposed the small boats crisis four years ago. i went out into the channel. i predicted vast numbers would come. they're reacting to me in many, many ways. we've got a summer election coming . be in no doubt.

election coming. be in no doubt. >> yeah. nigel. you were. you were out in the channel before gb news even existed, so props to you. but look, why can't we do what the aussies did? tony abbott in the mid 2000 and turn the boats back? and by the way, that doesn't involve just attaching some rag tag rope to a dinghy and towing them back. they put migrants into very safe, lifeboat style vessels, send them back to offshore processing sites or to wherever they came from. richard tice thinks we can do it under. i thinks we can do it under. i think he's not said it specifically, but i think it's the un convention of law of the seas, article 25 about innocent passage. you think we still would have a problem with the echr doing that? >> yeah. i mean, look, you know, i had alexander downer on the show this evening, the former foreign minister of australia, the former ambassador indeed to this country, and somebody who helped the british government. but but the point is this australia were genuinely sovereign. they weren't encumbered by this completely outdated three quarters of a century old european convention on human rights. and that complicates things in the most

extraordinary way. and the one thing the government of this country will never do is go against what the courts, especially the supreme court, decide. so australia were they were freer to do what they did. now they still met with international condemnation. now the eu condemned them. we condemn them . the united nations condemn them. the united nations condemned them. they just bloomin did it. and after a fortnight of doing it, that's how you destroy the traffickers model of taking money from those that want to come, this isn't going to work. it's going to be an absolute legal mess of catastrophic proportions. and if sunak stays beyond 10 to 12 weeks from now, and there's not a general election, they will be literally sunk below the waterline. he has staked the house on stopping the boats. he goes to the country saying, i've passed the law. we will do it. he thinks they might just believe him . i sense after 14 believe him. i sense after 14 years of failure on so many things that actually people aren't listening anymore . aren't listening anymore. >> yeah, okay. nigel farage

really appreciate you being with us.thank really appreciate you being with us. thank you so much for your expertise. have a good evening . expertise. have a good evening. excellent. right. coming up, i bnng excellent. right. coming up, i bring you a gb news exclusive on the al—qaeda terror chief. who could be out of prison and roaming britain's streets in a matter of weeks. you don't want to miss it. but next, do harry and meghan's new pr hire suggest and meghan's new pr hire suggest a thawing of relations? perhaps between the runaway royals and the country they turned their backs on nearly four years ago. editor at large of the mail on sunday, charlotte griffiths, gives the inside scoop next. this is patrick christys tonight with me, ben leo only on

gb news. patrick christys. tonight with me. ben. leo. only on gb news. coming up, i bring you a bombshell gb news exclusive, revealing how the uk's top al—qaeda terror chief, whose language behind bars for a decade could be back on britain's streets within a matter of weeks. but first, it's time for the royal dispatch,

with editor at large of the mail on sunday, charlotte griffiths. and harry and meghan's stateside pr team is due for a shake up, with two new appointments made to their comms team at their archewell foundation. former united talent agency star kyle buhler will serve as director of communications for us media, and he has a track record by the way, of pushing from what i've seen woke lgbtq+ initiatives in his previous role and also charlie gibson, a brit previously on the books harry bono less the sweet company. he'll be appointed as director of communications at the couple's, press headquarters for europe. so charlotte , welcome to europe. so charlotte, welcome to the show. do you believe or is this kind of a sign that the harry and meghan are trying to, you know, improve relations with the media back on you? because my experience right over the past couple of years, i worked at the sun for a while whenever we went to archewell for comment , you just get stonewalled. you wouldn't get anything. so is this kind of a shift in position from harry and meghan? yeah. >> in terms of that, this is

absolutely a pivot point for harry and meghan because as you know from the sun, there was a blanket ban on communicating with harry and meghan and often we did anyway because we were just trying to do our due diligence. so you'd write to them and say, we're running a story. would you like to comment? nothing, nothing. back for years and years and years and in fact, the complete opposite. we will not engage with any press. and now here we go. we've got a uk press officer. so in some ways it's a pivot point . but in other ways, pivot point. but in other ways, why have they appointed this guy who has no tabloid media experience? he's going to get eaten by the wolves. i think it's a really surprise appointment and not in a good way. >> and also, by the way, just a little anecdote. when we used to go to archewell for comment on things and they wouldn't reply , things and they wouldn't reply, or if there was something they weren't happy with with the subsequent story, you'd hear from them, then they'd say, you know, what the hell are you doing? it's like, well, you know, man, your comms team, pal. >> and we'd say, you know, we've emailed you three times, we've begged you for guidance. we want to be accurate. we've asked you to be accurate. we've asked you to help us be accurate. nothing. thenif to help us be accurate. nothing. then if there's a slight mistake. i mean, i'm talking tiny. you know, they'd go, you

know, they'd go completely crazy. and the in the aftermath, the really interesting thing here is, is that these two appointments are team additions and not, as we've seen over the past couple of years, replacing staff , some who have reportedly staff, some who have reportedly been disgruntled with harry and meghan. >> they've not been replaced. it's an addition to their team. >> yeah. so their current woman's been promoted up and then these guys have been brought in and you know don't forget they've lost 17 people in six years. >> not many sorry 1718 i mean not just in comms but all over. >> it's quite a high turnover of staff. and honestly you know, i don't want to get off on the wrong foot with charlie gibson. >> but have you spoken to him yet? >> no, i haven't spoken to him yet. i've got his mobile number. i'm preparing to call him, but, you know, one of my friends who does know him said, look, i don't think he's going to last five minutes because he he his background is, you know, well, put it this way. he used to work for a company called little green pr and, you know, i think he is quite green. i think he is quite green with this kind of stuff. he's he did a campaign. well, his company did a campaign with furbies and they decorated a christmas tree with furbies.

and apparently he was once seen handing out nando's vouchers as part of his, you know , earnest part of his, you know, earnest work promoting nando's. >> is charlotte. is this the same guy who worked at uta? >> no, that's a different guy. so that's his american . then so that's his american. then they've got an american charlie hanbo they've got an american charlie haribo guy. yeah, charlie's the harry. so the uk pr is quite. i mean, he's like a marketing manager, but for really, i don't know how to say it. sort of like dairy milk, you know, haribo, furby, kind of brands. >> so in terms of harry meghan's approach to the tabloids based on this guy's experience, i mean, what are they thinking? i think i think it could be to do with the marketing of her new american riviera orchard, which as we know, is so farjam. >> yeah. so in a way he's appropriate for jam. >> yeah. so in a way he's appropriate forjam. but if he's going to be the point of contact for the whole of the uk tabloid press, he's going to get eaten alive . and, and you know, as one alive. and, and you know, as one one of my friends put it, you know, he's not going to last five minutes. he might be number 18, but let's give him a chance. it's literally day one. yeah. >> don't go on the wrong foot. you anything now that will leave him miffed? yeah. should we move to on something more positive? so after princess catherine's recent photo editing scandal. we

all know what happened with that. kensington palace today released this sweet image of prince louis, taken on his sixth birthday. so the snap was taken by kate herself, and it appears to have been left , quite to have been left, quite crucially, unedited, but it was released charlotte later than usual. i understand all the newspapers and fleet street were waiting at midnight last night for this picture. >> yeah, and when i got into work this morning, we were all sort of on tenterhooks saying, why hasn't it come out? because it's normally they they release their photos at midnight the night before or crack of dawn. so we were thinking, right, we're not going to get one. how disappointing. because we all want to see louis. we love louis. we want to see louis on his sixth birthday. but then eventually it came at around 1230. and i think, you know, there had been trepidation. ian, you know, i think there's probably been nervousness. we know that kate is obviously functioning slightly less rapidly than she used to because she's ill, and who can blame her for the trepidation? because of course, since the photos come out, everyone's picked it apart. everyone's been looking for signs of photoshop because of course, that's what's going to happen. and i have to say, there's no signs of photoshop

from what i can tell so far. well, no. >> i mean, yeah, if we can just get that picture back up, i mean, it's there's you can tell it's not edited because louis got, you know, like a scuff or a scratch or something, a little bit of red on his chin. so it's completely natural. did kensington palace make a point of saying it was unedited? >> i don't think they did. i just think they waited for everyone to pick it apart. right, but i think, i think some, maybe some background guidance was given, you know, this isn't edited, but but it was it was obvious. i mean, it would have been the biggest own goal to have photoshopped it in any way. but one, one person called glenn gratton, who does actually work for the mail, said that it's it was very well taken, which meant it didn't need to be photo photoshopped because because, kate skills are getting better and better. and actually, she used a much better camera, he thought, than usual. and it had a sort of portrait mode , not a filter. it's not mode, not a filter. it's not hashtag, no filter. but, you know , she'd use genuine camera know, she'd use genuine camera skills, and we know she's very good at it. but she's getting better, i think. >> yeah, she's a she, of course, a budding photographer. and. yeah, very quickly. have you got any update on catherine, her

health. and, you know, the situation with the wales? >> i mean, i mean, she's asked for space and everyone is just giving her that space because she was awarded a. >> i'm not sure if you know about this. she was awarded a special, honour today. were you aware of that? no. no reminder. no. so she so the king pretty much. because of his absence in royal duties. awarded some sort of new honour to camilla. to catherine. and kind of thanking them for their. >> yes, i saw the camilla one. >> yes, i saw the camilla one. >> so, so, so, so prince william becomes a great master of the order of the bath. catherine is now a companion of honour which recognises achievements in arts, medicine, sciences and public service. and the queen camilla becomes grand master of the order of the british empire, so i think it was just that a nice nod to, you know, their royal dufies nod to, you know, their royal duties amidst, amid all the, you know, the health trouble they've experienced. >> there's nothing more beautiful than releasing that video when she's in the middle of, you know, going through a cancer battle. so so full marks to her. and that was all part of

saint george's day. garter, revelations, appointments. yeah, i think she deserves it. i can't wait to see her back. >> yeah, very excited to see her back. and of course, we wish her the best of luck with her health. and fingers crossed she's back in the public domain. >> so the fact she's taking this photo, by the way, is a sign she's getting better. you think? yeah, probably a lot of time and energy, you know. excellent. >> charlotte griffiths, thank you so much. royal scoop gets at the mail on sunday, right. coming up. rishi pledges £500 million to ukraine. and most importantly, an extra 75 billion to britain's own defence budget by the end of the decade. but can we afford it? former armed forces minister mark francois, the tory mp he gives his expert analysis. but next, a gb news exclusive reveals how al qaeda's main man in britain, who's been languishing in prison for years, could be back on the streets within a matter of weeks. this is patrick christys tonight with me, ben leo. only on gb news. now it's time for your weather. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb news.

on. gb news. >> hello. good evening. welcome to your latest gb news weather update. it will stay dry, but it will be quite a cold night. tonight and throughout tomorrow the best of the sunshine will be across north and western areas once again. that's because high pressure is dominating over here. meanwhile, to the east of the uk we've got low pressure and this weather front that's brought cloudier skies throughout this afternoon to the southeast. that should clear away overnight though, and we'll be left with this northerly wind that will bring a cold feel to coastal areas through wednesday, but also a few showers overnight. tonight should be fairly light and mainly just restrict coastal areas further north and west, though clear and dry and quite cold. by tomorrow we could be down as low as —3 or 4 for some scottish glens, but the frost should be fairly patchy and should melt away fairly quickly as well. then we'll be left with a dry and bright day for many western areas of the uk in the east, though, with this northerly wind that's always going to drag in a bit more in the way of cloud,

and that risk of showers will continue into wednesday afternoon. we'll feel a little bit brighter, though than today as the cloud will be a bit higher and then the best of the sunshine could see highs of 15 or 16 degrees. another cold night to come on wednesday night. so a cold start on thursday and then this area of low pressure in the north sea will bring this band of rain and cloud across northern areas of england, southern scotland through thursday should be drier and brighter in the south, but then friday and saturday look that much more unsettled. however, notice temperatures will start to rise by saturday. >> looks like things are heating up boxt boiler as sponsors of weather on gb news.

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i reveal al qaeda's top terror chief in the uk could be released from prison in a matter of weeks. >> meanwhile, we will increase defence spending to a new baseline of 2.5% of gdp by 2030. >> former defence minister mark francois joins me live to react to rishi sunak's £75 billion defence bonanza. and no , i'm not defence bonanza. and no, i'm not particularly proud to be british. >> i'd rather be french. >> i'd rather be french. >> see you later there, mate. what to do with self—loathing britain haters. also, one time could you give me one quick favour? one can you guess what pushed hollywood star alec baldwin to violence in a coffee shop? tomorrow's newspaper front pages are on the way, and my top panel are ready to go. tonight, i'm joined by political commentator esther krakue , commentator esther krakue, conservative mp for romford, andrew rosindell, and author and broadcaster amy nicole turner. strap yourselves in. let's do this.

bin laden's uk terror mastermind is weeks from being released . next. >> year. ben, i'm ray addison in the gp newsroom. good evening to you. our top stories. the prime minister says the government will increase defence spending to 2.5% of gdp by 2030. during a trip to poland, rishi sunak said the budget will reach £87 billion by the end of the decade . addressing troops, he also said the uk defence industry will be put on a war footing. mr sunak called the plans the biggest strengthening of our national defence in a generation. >> as churchill said in 1934, to urge the preparation of defence is not to insert the imminence of war. on the contrary, if war was imminent, preparations for defence would be too late. i

believe we must do more to defend our country, our interests and our values. so today i'm announcing the biggest strengthening of our national defence. for a generation . we defence. for a generation. we will increase defence spending to a new baseline of 2.5% of gdp by 2030. >> well, earlier rishi sunak warned that president putin will not stop at the polish border if his assault on ukraine is allowed to continue . earlier, allowed to continue. earlier, britain pledged its largest ever package of aid for kyiv worth £500 million during his warsaw trip. the prime minister has been holding talks with the leaders of poland, germany and nato, warning that the defence of ukraine is essential to our joint security. ukraine's president zelenskyy has welcomed the package, which includes long—range missiles, armoured vehicles and boats as well. on the day that five channel migrants died off the french coast, including a four year old child, gb news can reveal that more than 250 others have crossed to the united kingdom. a

small boat got into difficulties off wimereux beach near boulogne before 2 am. a number of other migrants were rescued, with at least one now critically ill in hospital. five other small boats have now been received by border force and the dover lifeboat, with migrants transported for processing. a further two boats were seen heading towards uk waters . police were faced with waters. police were faced with violence at a saint george's day eventin violence at a saint george's day event in whitehall this afternoon, when a group tried to force its way through a cordon. mounted officers on horses needed to intervene when the group broke through a police barrier. the force earlier said that it expected some, quote, far right groups and groups unked far right groups and groups linked to football clubs to attend the event. police say six people were arrested . for the people were arrested. for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code. it's on your screen right now or go to news.com . slash now or go to news.com. slash alerts. now back to ben.

>> i have an urgent warning to deliver to the people of britain about the safety of our streets. in just a few weeks , al qaeda's in just a few weeks, al qaeda's top terror chief in the uk could be released from prison after taking part in a so—called de—radicalisation programme where he'll claim he now doesn't want to murder us all in cold blood. after all, rangzieb ahmed once said to be osama bin laden's top operative in europe, was the first person in the uk to be convicted of directing terrorism. he was jailed for life with a minimum ten year terms in 2008 for plotting the mass slaughter of brits, and was caught with a book of terror contacts written in invisible ink and a rucksack that contained traces of explosives . contained traces of explosives. his scheme was revealed with the discovery of three diaries, which were found to contain details and phone numbers of key al—qaeda operatives. since then, he's received, of course, he has almost £1 million in legal aid, your money to help fund his bid for freedom. and he's not far off rochdale born ahmed was rejected for parole in september 2022 after officials judged he was far too dangerous to be

released. however, he's now been approved for a new parole board heanng approved for a new parole board hearing where he's expected to argue he's a changed man thanks to a rehab program that's taught him to be a good person. the heanng him to be a good person. the hearing takes place on june 20th, just under four weeks from now, and if officials agree to release him, ahmed is likely to be freed by the end of the month . so it's no secret that around 90% of the 40,000 extremists on mi5's 90% of the 40,000 extremists on m15's watchlist are islamists like bin laden's man. here in the uk . and only a fraction, the uk. and only a fraction, a fraction can ever be permanently watched at any one time. i spoke to the parole board about ahmed and they confirmed his case would be heard next month . they would be heard next month. they said. a panel will carefully examine a huge range of evidence , including details of the original crime and any evidence of behaviour change, as well as exploring the harm done and impact the crimes had on victims. evidence from witnesses, including probation officers, psychiatrists and psychologists, officials supervising the offender in prison, as well as victim personal statements are then given at the hearing. parole reviews are undertaken

thoroughly and with extreme care. protecting the public is our number one priority. well, that's all very well . but that's all very well. but ahmed's freedom bid comes just days after it emerged another jailed terrorist is trying to secure an exit from prison. parvez khan , who threatened to parvez khan, who threatened to kidnap and beheaded british muslim soldier, will also appear before the parole board next week, so the last thing this country needs right now is extremist scumbags. back walking amongst us. i trust the parole board in both these cases will do the right thing. i'm going to get the thoughts now of counter—terror expert, former head of the national counter—terror security office, chris phillips . good evening chris phillips. good evening chris. thanks for joining chris phillips. good evening chris. thanks forjoining me. how concerned should we be about the potential of this al—qaeda monster being released, potentially at the end of june? >> yeah . very concerned. and >> yeah. very concerned. and it's amazing. >> he's made a remarkable de—radicalization in the last year or so from being too dangerous to release onto the streets, it seems that he may now well be be safe after all,

one good news for the for the prison service. i suppose they've got one less dangerous person inside the prison to radicalise others. but of course, him on the streets. he's is really , really dangerous for is really, really dangerous for the public. and we can joke about it. but these people are not de—radicalised. they they they are very, very dangerous people. and even if he doesn't go on to commit other offences , go on to commit other offences, the chances of him radicalising others in the community are very, very high. >> well, yeah, of course, as you said, i echo your words. how can you go from one minute wanting to slaughter britons en masse in cold blood, and the next a couple of months having gone through a programme, he said, well, no, i'm okay. i don't want to do that anymore. that's fine. you make a really good point, chris, because new stats from, i think it was a couple of weeks ago revealed that 1 in 5 muslim prisoners is now white, which was sparking fears islamist gangs are behind a surge of conversions in prisons. so even if this guy does get out, there's a chance that he could have been for the last ten years in prison, converting and brainwashing other lags with islamist extremism .

islamist extremism. >> yeah, unfortunately, our criminal justice system is just not set up to deal with people that want to go and commit mass murder and to release him into the community is taking such a risk that, really , the criminal risk that, really, the criminal justice system needs to be amended to say some people just aren't fit to be released no matter what. >> can we talk briefly about the job that m15 and the security services have in this country? because the terror watch list is vast, and as far as i understand, maybe correct me if i'm wrong, there's not enough agents to cover them all at once. 24. seven. is that right ? once. 24. seven. is that right? >> well, absolutely. and, it's not just, m15, it's the police, counter—terrorism units, and the surveillance teams. it takes an enormous amount of manpower, woman power enormous amount of manpower, woman power to, to follow just one person. of course, there are technical measures they can use these days, but but we know for a fact that they're not able to monitor even even a portion of the very dangerous people that are that are out there. and to

make that so much worse, by releasing someone who's already a terrorist . a terrorist. >> but why was this guy given a life sentence but with a minimum tum of ten years? what happened to proper justice in this to properjustice in this country? well you know, it does make me laugh, really. >> the i think the prison sentencing systems are just ridiculous with, you know, you think someone's going to go to prison for a long time and then they're out usually halfway through. it'sjust they're out usually halfway through. it's just telling lies to the public. i think . and if to the public. i think. and if we don't get our system right, if we don't build enough prisons to keep these people locked up, then we aren't going to be safe. it's as simple as that. >> have you any idea about this rehabilitation program in prisons? i mean, trying to , you prisons? i mean, trying to, you know, de—radicalise him. any idea what kind of things he would have gone through? because as i mentioned in the top of the show a few minutes ago, one minute he wants to kill us all, and the next he's gone to a few training courses and he says, well, no, i've changed my mind. i'm okay. let me out. >> yeah, but he would do, wouldn't he? he's not going to get out unless he he says that. so he knows that. and we've seen

it before. we've seen people that play the system. you know, we put our faith in the parole board to do a good job, clearly, you know, we know that terrorists have been released and committed terror attacks within days, sometimes of them being released. so this is it is a bit like playing, game with our safety, i think. >> yeah. okay. chris, really appreciate you being with us. thank you for joining the show. let's get the thoughts now of my panel let's get the thoughts now of my panel. social commentator esther krakue, conservative mp for romford, andrew rosindell and the author and broadcaster amy nicole turner. the author and broadcaster amy nicole turner . amy, let's start nicole turner. amy, let's start with you. you don't believe in prisons, do you? i believe in prisons, do you? i believe in prisons for people like this. oh, you've changed your tune now because i think we said prisons are to keep dangerous people away from the public and not to be used for criminalising poverty with thousands and thousands of people that shouldn't really be there. >> and it's probably filling up prisons with people who perhaps would be better out of prison, which has brought us to a situation where there's no room

to put people who actually need to put people who actually need to be in prison. in prison, like this guy, i would say. now, i'm not saying it would be impossible to de—radicalize anyone, but i think in his case, you know, he's 47 years old. he two years ago was deemed are still being a risk to the public. still being a risk to the pubuc.so still being a risk to the public. so something tells me i don't think he's going to pass this parole review. >> andrew, can jihadi extremists be de—radicalised ? i don't think be de—radicalised? i don't think they can. but do you think they can? >>i can? >> i don't trust that at all. i wouldn't let the man out. and clearly he has attempted to murder large numbers of british people. he's clearly someone that has hatred inside him. he's demonstrated that before . so you demonstrated that before. so you cannot risk letting people like that out on the streets . there that out on the streets. there is no evidence, from what i've heard , that this man has been heard, that this man has been de—radicalised and i think it would be a huge risk to put him on the streets and potentially radicalise other people. but also commit murder, which is what he tried to do. years ago. so our first priority must

surely be to protect the british public. >> the problem is esther krakue , >> the problem is esther krakue, do you have faith in the parole board? because we've seen so many times where they've let people out early, not just with islamist extremists or terrorists, but, you know, paedophiles, whoever else, and they've gone on to reoffend . and they've gone on to reoffend. and chris phillips made a really good point there about our prisons are just jam packed. are they kicking people out early because there's just simply not enough prison space? >> well, the parole board is just one contingency measure . i just one contingency measure. i think the wider the bigger problem is will he be able to radicalise other people if and when he does eventually come out of prison? and there are questions around the efficacy of our counter—terrorism programs, the prevent program, are they underfunded? there are loads of communities in this country that are very self—isolating, that live basically parallel lives alongside the rest of us, you know, what are what are the resources of counter—terrorism agencies to actually infiltrate these communities. so if someone like this is released that he doesn't have the resources to go and carry out terrorist attacks, you know, i don't necessarily think it's necessarily down to the parole board to keep us safe, although that is one of the backstops. it's actually

about a wider institutional problem. someone like this, you have to question where did he get his radical views from and who radicalised them and who radicalised them? and you see a whole chain of events. and these are probably, you know, communities that are really self—isolated, like i said, and embedded within each other. he was born in order to infiltrate them. yeah. >> but, you know, that's interesting because if it was possible to de—radicalize people like this guy, i don't think this guy. but then he could be a great person to, to call upon to tell you what exactly the community that radicalised him. >> that's the point. we don't have those resources. hang on. >> we're taking a huge risk here. this man has tried to murder people in cold blood, letting him out on the streets. >> i don't think he should be on the chance that he has de—radicalised. >> how do we know he really has? >> how do we know he really has? >> well, yeah. >> well, yeah. >> what are we going to say if he goes out and he kills innocent people? i wouldn't want to take that risk. i think he should be. he should stay in prison and remain locked up. >> all the evidence suggests he probably won't be released. but there are people like him that already are released. so since 1998, 1 in 4 people that have been convicted of terrorism offences have been on asylum background. and it's because our

asylum system hasn't actually given them the resources to properly integrate. so they become self—isolated and they get indulged with these, this sort of ideologies. you're worried about someone who's already in prison. guess what? there are people like him on our streets. so it's about the wider, the wider problem of, you know, having the resources to actually stop these people from being radicalised. >> and i think the more the more concerning thing is this guy is a brit. he was born and bred in rochdale, where one george calloway is now the mp. of course , he's one of our own, you course, he's one of our own, you know, he's a brit. so where are these people being radicalised? i don't think you can de—radicalize these kind of people. it's a it's a rather sick and twisted ideology. but there we go. fingers crossed for there we go. fingers crossed for the parole board making that decision next month. and we'll bnng decision next month. and we'll bring you the latest when we have it as well. right. coming up, hollywood star alec baldwin. he's been confronted by an irritating pro—palestine supporter . irritating pro—palestine supporter. plus, we bring you the very first of tomorrow's front newspaper pages with tonight's top panel. but next, the pm today pledged £500 million to ukraine and most importantly, an extra 75 billion to britain's own defence budget by 2030. but with us all struggling at home, can we

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first of tomorrow's front pages. but first, we welcome former armed forces minister and tory mp mark francois and his boss. today, rishi sunak announced a huge increase in defence spending with an additional an extra £75 billion pledged to protect the nation over the next six years. >> as churchill said in 1934, to urge the preparation of defence is not to insert the imminence of war on the contrary, if war was imminent, preparations for defence would be too late. i believe we must do more to defend our country, our interests and our values. so today i'm announcing the biggest strengthening of our national defence. for a generation . we defence. for a generation. we will increase defence spending to a new baseline of 2.5% of gdp by 2030. >> so it will bring the annual defence budget to 87 billion by 2030, meaning the uk will be by far the second largest defence spenderin far the second largest defence spender in nato after the us. and it comes, of course, hot on

the heels of sunak promising an extra £500 million to help ukraine fight off the russians . ukraine fight off the russians. mark, welcome to the studio. these are huge figures being pledged. can we afford it? first of all? yes, partly it's going to be funded by by tighter control of the civil service headcount, by trying to return the size of the civil service to where it was pre—covid . where it was pre—covid. >> so that's partly how we can pay >> so that's partly how we can pay for it. look, it's a very significant announcement going to 2.5% of gdp by 2030. so as you said, that's about over that penod you said, that's about over that period between now and then about another £75 billion. how can you put that into something that people could follow ? a new that people could follow? a new queen elizabeth class aircraft carrier costs about £35 billion. so so i mean, we wouldn't spend it in exactly this way , but that money could this way, but that money could buy 20 new aircraft carriers thatis buy 20 new aircraft carriers that is the scale of the

increase that the prime minister has just announced. it's very, very significant . and we need to very significant. and we need to do this in order to deter vladimir putin or president xi or any other unelected dictator from trying to go to war with the western democracies. got it. >> why didn't jeremy hunt mention anything about defence in the budget? i know you and a lot of other people made a lot of noise off the back of that budget, saying there was nothing for defence. why now? is it just political electioneering? >> no, i mean, as i and others said, we thought the budget should have done something like this, but, you know, in life you should give credit where it's due.so should give credit where it's due. so the all party house of commons defence committee were pretty excoriating about the budget, you know, so within a couple of months of that, the government have done they've made a much better decision. they've committed to a massive increase in defence spending, which is what this is. i also

serve on the public accounts committee. the mod has a ten year equipment plan and the pac, assisted by the national audit office , go through it with office, go through it with a fine tooth comb. we concluded there was a £29 billion gap between a what the mod said they had to buy, and b what we could fund this money more than plugs that gap. what this means is the mod can now afford all the equipment they were already going to buy. plus they can buy new equipment . and i new equipment. and i particularly would like to see i'd like to see what do we need? well i would like to see some of this extra obviously we've got to pay for what we were originally going to pay. i'd like to see some of this money spent on personnel improving their accommodation, their living standards, so that they don't keep leaving. we need to spend money on people because without people, the rest doesn't work. but i'd also like to see some of this extra money spent on an albion dome. a uk version of the israeli iron dome.

>> interesting. so penny morden was mooting this the other day , was mooting this the other day, i think number 10. well, the sunday telegraph, they revealed that the treasury previously rebuffed a request from the mod for a british iron dome like we see in israel. is as the position changed on that. >> well, we've now got the money to build it. that revelation came from the defence committee. >> how much will it cost out of the 75 billion extra? >> it's difficult to say because there are different variants of there are different variants of the system. but if the first duty of government is the defence of the realm, which i've always believed it is, my father was a d—day veteran right then in the 21st century, that means defending against ballistic missile attack and cruise missile attack and cruise missile attack. and for that you need something like an iron dome. we're talking billions of pounds. this is not cheap, but we've now got an extra 75 billion, a massive number. let's spend some of that on having an iron dome equivalent for the united kingdom to protect the homeland. >> got it. okay let me talk to you about this further. ukraine funding the us, of course, have

been dragging their heels. the republicans finally today or yesterday approved £61 billion dollar package rishi sunak today has said another 500 million will be used to arm ukraine. some people mark a lot of our viewers will say we don't agree with this. we cannot afford it. our public services are on their knees. the country's on its knees. the country's on its knees. we're skint, quite frankly. why are we sending more money to ukraine? is it a bottomless pit of taxpayer money? >> no . i was part of >> no. i was part of a delegation of senior conservatives , liz truss, ids, conservatives, liz truss, ids, lord howard, myself and jack lopresti who went to washington pnor lopresti who went to washington prior to christmas. and we lobbied republican congressmen to vote for that package . so to vote for that package. so i was delighted when it went through. we were in a congressman's office. he asked effectively the same question. he said, why should i ask the taxpayers in my congressional district to send their dollars to ukraine and i said, because you're a member of nato and it's cheaper than sending your sons

and daughters. this is about deterring a bloodthirsty dictator called vladimir putin. this man was a regular colonel in the kgb. he's not a boy scout. russia earns respect, strength. this is strength. the prime minister said. we'll put our defence industry on a war footing, not because we want to go to war, but because we want to deter one. the romans had a saying for it civis pacem para bellum. he who desires peace should prepare for war. we desire peace. so we are now preparing to defend ourselves. thatis preparing to defend ourselves. that is what this money is for. >> so do we support ukraine to the death, even if it means bankrupting england? when does it stop? you know, is it a bottomless pit? i've asked you when do. when does it stop? no. what are the conditions for stopping aid to ukraine? >> we don't support ukraine to the death. we support ukraine to the death. we support ukraine to the life . ukraine must win. the life. ukraine must win. because in reality, if we don't

stop vladimir putin in ukraine, we'll have to stop him in the baltic states, or we'll have to stop him in poland. and that means nato, and that means potentially world war iii. so the ukrainians who are incredibly brave are fighting for us. they're fighting for our freedom, not just theirs . they freedom, not just theirs. they deserve our whole hearted support it. and part of this package is to give them exactly that. okay. >> but please answer. is there any condition which aid to ukraine must end financially? what if we're going bankrupt? are we still? is it all? is ukraine a priority over the uk? it's all part because essentially that's what you're saying. if you're saying we are ukraine and we send them unlimited amounts of taxpayer money, when does it end? >> no, it's not unlimited amounts. >> so when is it end? >> so when is it end? >> well, it's all part of the same thing . we have to make sure same thing. we have to make sure that russia doesn't win because if russia wins in ukraine, he'll keep going. he won in crimea,

he'll keep coming . so we have he'll keep coming. so we have it's far better to stop him now by spending 2.5% of gdp in the second world war, we were spending nearly 50% of gdp on defence for obvious reasons . defence for obvious reasons. it's like an insurance policy. you pay your premium just in case, right? because if you get this wrong, there is no future , this wrong, there is no future, right? so we spend this money now on ourselves. a lot of it goes to our own defence industry. it creates jobs and prosperity, and we spend it on the ukrainians to stop a wicked dictator called vladimir putin. that's what this money is for. my that's what this money is for. my father taught me. he made me promise when i was a boy that i would never take living in a free society for granted. yeah, well , your free society for granted. yeah, well, your freedom isn't free. it costs this money is worth spending. so that we can

continue to live in a free and democratic country, which we should never, ever take for granted. civis pacem para bellum. >> okay , you make a good point. >> okay, you make a good point. actually, a lot of the money that gets sent to ukraine from the us and the uk doesn't just go to a ukrainian bank account, it goes to weapons manufacturers, bae systems, whoever else. it creates jobs. >> those laws that those end laws that help stop the russian invasion are built in belfast. >> yeah, definitely. mark francois, i really appreciate you being with us. thank you so much. and may i congratulate you on, you know, lobbying the government for what many people have wanted for a long time, increased defence. thank you for being with us. >> it's an honour to be here. >> it's an honour to be here. >> thank you. great. coming up. are you ashamed to be english? one bloke we're going to show you certainly is. and get this. apparently he'd rather be french. i say put him on a dinghy back to calais. happy saint george's day, that man. but next we'll bring you the very first of tomorrow's front pages. hot off the press with tonight's panel of fiery pundits. this is patrick christys tonight with me, ben. leo only on gb news. stay with

us. patrick christys. tonight with me. ben. leo. only on gb news time now for tomorrow's newspapers. let's kick start with the metro. let's this be the last channel tragedy. girl among five. dead as a dinghy packed with 112 migrants. flounders off the french coast. i just can't believe these cruel smuggling criminals can pack 100 people onto such flimsy dinghies . the independent. think again, prime minister. seven year old is crushed to death, this is why we add our voice to the un and urge. think again on rwanda . the urge. think again on rwanda. the sun, that really nice picture. very sweet of prince louis on his sixth birthday. unedited of course. the daily telegraph war footing as pm ramps up defence spending. as we just discussed with mark francois, an extra £75 billion of funding shows our enemies that we're resolute and determined, and mark francois then revealing that he wants some of the money spent on an

iron dome akin to israel . and iron dome akin to israel. and the times newspaper says, uk to spend more on defence and also a picture story. there of all those migrants packed on the dinghies . i want to go to a dinghies. i want to go to a revelation in the express this evening. so tomorrow in the daily express, priti patel , the daily express, priti patel, the former home secretary, she has come out, she's broken her silence on rwanda once again and said that she backs the rwanda plan, she backs rishi sunak and she says that the opponents of this policy have not only offered no solutions to tackle illegal migration, but have, over the last two years, given succour to those evil criminal gangs that put lives at risk. tens of thousands across the channel tens of thousands across the channel, with some perishing at sea. andrew rosindell first of all, what's your thoughts on rwanda? >> well, i voted for it last night. i want rwanda to work. i want these people that are coming here illegally to know that if they come here illegally, they can't stay. they leave and this is what we have to do now. we've passed the legislation . we need to be very

legislation. we need to be very clear about this. if you try to get into the united kingdom without permission, you won't be allowed to stay. and so what prittie is saying is that now we've passed this legislation, we've passed this legislation, we need to let it work. let's stop objecting. let's start supporting the policy . and those supporting the policy. and those people that are coming here might then think , maybe we won't might then think, maybe we won't even try. >> so hopefully we'll act . >> so hopefully we'll act. andrew nigel farage says this whole rwanda scheme is absolutely pie in the sky. it's not going to work. it's riddled with legal loopholes . it's with legal loopholes. it's totally pointless. and by the way, at a cost of hundreds of millions of pounds to the taxpayer. >> look, nigel makes good points as always, but it's now the law we should give it a chance to work. however, i do think in the long term we still need to leave the echr. >> what's the plan for the remaining 99% of migrants? >> because this is 200 sorted out in theory. so what we're doing with the rest, right. >> so, so the point is this is a deterrent . so if people can see deterrent. so if people can see that they're not going to get

into britain, that they will be sent out straight away, it's hoped that less will actually try to get here in the first place, because the people benefiting from this are the people traffickers. they're evil. people are dying in these boats and they're making money out of it. so actually, we're offering them a safe haven, a place to live to and be looked after in a in a place where they're actually going to be safe, which they aren't going to be if they come over on a legal boat. >> okay. let's hear from esther. esther, what's your thoughts on rwanda? is it going to work? if not, what's your solution? >> well, the problem, the problem with the ryan scheme, there are many problems. there are many things that you could say. the cost, the legal loopholes, the fact that rwanda is currently engaged with, with, military skirmishes with the east of the drc , and there are east of the drc, and there are questions around the president of rwanda, who's been president for quite some time, which many don't think is very democratic. the problem is this, this rwanda scheme is supposed to basically be a copy of what the australians did. however, it wasn't mapped out in the same way that the australians did it. so i know up front the

australians spent about 800 million aud to make this scheme work. so we're talking about the cost of this up front. but yes, the aussies did foot a lot of money up front. but the problem is the rwandans have already sold 70% of the government housing that was meant to house these people, the rwanda, the australians didn't have that problem. no, but the australians didn't have that problem. so if you're going if you're going to copy what the australians said, which i have no problem with because it did work, you have to communicate with the public exactly what the plan is. why were they spending so much money up front and actually inspire faith? i'm not saying that i'm against this because i'm just against this because i'm just against rwanda. again, i do think you make a valid point that the people that are criticising the scheme haven't come up with an alternative. i was in skegness this weekend and i actually saw one of the hotels that these migrants are being put up in, boarded up because the local residents were so incensed because they don't know who these people are. that's fair. >> the british public, their patience has run out over this. we cannot let this continue. >> it's not it's not just because of this. it's because of how much it's costing. we have to ensure that all these people traffickers and all these people trying to get into the country,

know that they're not going to be allowed to stay. >> if they try to get here, they'll be sent to a third place, but they still will be safe. that's the point. >> it'sjust safe. that's the point. >> it's just the numbers. they don't they don't add up at all because still nobody is addressing this fact that it's 200 there and then it's reciprocal. so 200 migrants come back to here. so if the thought of getting in a dinghy where your chance of death is like quite high, it doesn't put you off, then why would a 1 in 200 chance of going to rwanda put you off? particularly when you add that it's going to be a great life and a new start? how is that a deterrent? >> some of some brits would like to go to rwanda because most of these people actually want to come here because they're economic migrants. >> they're not really seeking asylum. most of them i don't believe , are genuine. so believe, are genuine. so actually, if they know they're not going to get into the united kingdom, there's no incentive for them to get into the boat . for them to get into the boat. >> i mean, we can i just say there's a point that hasn't been touched on, which is the deterrent element, which i don't actually think this is going to be a deterrent, because the reason why they're coming here is because we have over double the acceptance rates for asylum seekers as the eu, which is

pretty liberal on this, you could actually make the case that why don't we just have a cap on how many people we can accept as refugees or turn more people away, but none of that has been has been addressed. instead, they're pouring all this money on a scheme that the pubuc this money on a scheme that the public has no faith in and actually, mark white, our home and security editor, he's been to calais loads of times. >> we've played clips many a time on this channel. he's asked migrants in calais, in dunkirk, are you going to be deterred by rwanda? and they've said, no, they've laughed at our cameraman. they laugh at us. it's a complete joke and quite frankly, i have to agree with nigel and richard tice. the only way you're going to stop this is doing what the australians did. you can do it. i think under the un convention of the laws at sea, article 25, which stops the travel of innocent ships based on national security concerns. but we wait and see what happens. i mean, rishi's gambled his whole political future on it. so yeah, good luck to him . it. so yeah, good luck to him. now, this is a really, really interesting video. american actor alec baldwin remember him? he's the guy who he shot on a film set , a he's the guy who he shot on a film set, a firearms expert he's the guy who he shot on a film set , a firearms expert with film set, a firearms expert with a gun that he didn't think was loaded . but he shot her. and loaded. but he shot her. and unfortunately, the woman died. so he got bombarded by a

deranged pro—palestine activist whilst trying to order some coffee in la. watch this. >> alec, can you please say free palestine one time? why did you kill that lady? you killed that lady and got no jail time. no jail time, alec. just say free palestine. one time, one time, one time for the police. one time. alec. you know, you know he's a criminal. you know he's a criminal. come on, alec, just say free palestine . say free palestine. >> one time. one time. >> one time. one time. >> could you give me one quick favour ? favour? >> so there we go. was that justified? i mean, look, i'm no big fan of alec baldwin, especially after what happened with that film set incident. but, you know, as if saying free palestine under duress like that is going to make any difference anyway, right? coming up, my favourite part of the show as i crown tonight's greatest britain and union jackass and some very worthy nominations indeed. but next, are you ashamed to be engush next, are you ashamed to be english and would you rather be french? i'll introduce one man who says exactly that. you don't want to miss that video in full.

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patrick christys. tonight with me. ben. leo. only on gb news time now for the rest of tomorrow's front pages . we start tomorrow's front pages. we start with the mirror. great story they had yesterday. they've done a follow today on jill dando. a key witness says a man she spotted running minutes after starr's murder is the serbian assassin, really interesting story. and i couldn't believe yesterday she was only 37 when she died. the daily mail biggest boost for defence in a generation also carries that really sweet picture of louis, the i says tories unveil uk's biggest hike to military spending for a generation. the guardian pm to raise defence spending to put arms industry on, quote, war footing and the daily express about time two

civil service job cuts to pay for defence boost. rishi sunak will act 70,000 civil servant jobs and free up billions of pounds to bruce to boost britain's defences. this is music to my ears amy nichi hodgson the defence, the defence boost the work shy civil servants who want to stay at home. did you by the way, did you know? slightly separate point? did you know that the civil service were threatening to strike because they were being forced to come into the office for two days a week? absolutely outrageous. jacob rees—mogg, of course, trying to get them back in the office. but now sunak saying he's going to axe 70,000 civil servant jobs to free up billions for our defence programme. >> right. well, i'd like to know what they're doing first before we cut them. this is what people always talk about civil service, sitting at home in their underpants. >> i'm assuming they're going to automate a lot of their jobs or bnngin automate a lot of their jobs or bring in al, also, they're boosting defence spending. that's spending that they cut. so it's is it really a boost or is it really replacing what already should have been there? andrew >> well, i've always been against cuts in defence. i think it's been a mistake and i'm very pleased the government are now

going to increase defence spending. but in terms of civil servants, they really should get back to the office. why everyone should be working . nobody should should be working. nobody should be sitting at home and thinking the world can operate from your bedroom. people need to get back to the office. public buildings should be properly operating and the pandemic now should be a thing of the past. we should get back to normal life again, but unfortunately there are still people that think they've got a right to stay indoors, and i don't think they do. i think theyif don't think they do. i think they if they're paid by the pubuc they if they're paid by the public purse, they should come to work and do their job well. >> i think it depends on the job they're doing. if they can do it from from home, the only thing is them wanting to work four days a week. i think that's a brilliant idea, because that's an excuse to cut a fifth of the population. because if you can do your your work four days a week, then they won't need to be they want to be paid for five days a week. >> well, but that's the point. >> well, but that's the point. >> but that's the point. so that is a justification for this cut because there are clearly too many of them. >> so let me give you some detail. so around £3 billion will be found by returning the civil service to pre pandemic

staffing levels by the end of the decade. extra staff were brought in to deliver brexit and deal with covid, but staffing levels will be cut by 70,000. senior tories welcome the plan to spend more cash on the military instead of whitehall. i mean, as i said, these guys, this civil service riddled with leftists, they don't want the government to work properly. arguably, they brought down bons arguably, they brought down boris johnson. these people are striking because they have to go to the office for two days a week. can you imagine the optics of this? the people that sit at home working 9 to 5, five days a week, six days a week, even two jobs that these absolute, you know, i want to call them cretins in whitehall crying about having to go to the office for two days a week. >> but the thing is, we it's such a cliche, isn't it, to demonise a civil service like, come on, we can do a little bit better than that , because, you better than that, because, you know, the reason that it comes across a lot of the time that they don't, that they're halting ministers plans because they're the experts in ministers plans and can see whether they will work or not, whether they're realistic or not. so i don't think it's entirely fair to believe in the blob and the tar. the mall as the blob and the deep state. >> you don't believe in that concept, no. not really. >> i hope in our manifesto, one of the key pledges should be

major civil service reform. we need to reform it. too much power, too many of them. ministers dancing to civil servants, tune no , no ministers servants, tune no, no ministers are elected. they should be making decisions. we should be reducing the size of the state, cutting taxes and actually running the country more efficiently. >> an honest question , andrew. >> an honest question, andrew. how much power does the civil service wield amongst ministers? because we saw with the likes of dominic raab, he was accused of being a bully, when in actual fact, i've heard on good grounds that he was just, you know, like he had high standards. he liked getting things done . if they getting things done. if they don't like you politically, and we know that the civil service is riddled with leftists and people, you know of that ilk, how easy or hard can they make yourjob? >>i yourjob? >> i fear you're making a point, ben. i'm afraid that i think the civil servants, if they don't like your politics, they like what you're trying to do. they'll find ways of delaying, stopping you. and as we found with dominic raab, priti patel went through a similar thing. i think suella two civil servants round up against the minister. and i don't think that's right.

i think that the civil servants have now got way too much control over what happens . we control over what happens. we need to reform the civil service. >> esther, i think that's a very valid point. there is power in numbers. i think one of the things that really bothers me about the civil servants is civil service is you can you can get accused of something as a minister or a government official. and the person who's accusing you is anonymous . and accusing you is anonymous. and the person they they don't go through any sort of public scrutiny . well, yes, but that's scrutiny. well, yes, but that's what happened with dominic. we don't know the nature. we don't know who accused dominic raab or which group of people we don't know. you know what? basically anything internally that went on. but we know that dominic raab was the face of this kind of smear campaign. and i do think that's a problem because that's just unfair. regardless of whether you agree with someone's politics or not, they should be at least, if entitled to some sort of justice. so i do agree there. my my, my issue is not necessarily from people working from home. it depends on how like what you're doing and whether you're being three days a week, three out of five. that's that's the thing. if you think that you can do your job working from home for a four day

week, but receiving five days of pay, week, but receiving five days of pay, great. you're only employed for four days a week and we cut the force. you're making the best case to slim down the workforce. >> but isn't the whole point work smarter, not harder. it's not about the quantity of time. time is about the quality of time. >> you can work faster if you can do that job in that amount of time, and then you have a nice time off, then your work life balance is better and you're more productive. why do you're more productive. why do you get paid for your time? >> because you get because. because then you are more productive in the time that you're there. >> okay. >> okay. >> interaction between people that work together. if you're not together, if you're not talking about issues and you don't get things done, okay, as a team, i'd argue they're all sitting at home in their underpants watching loose women, but let me show you this video recharging. >> good. very funny online news outfit politics. joe went out and asked those on the streets if they were proud of their country, and they came across this charming fella . this charming fella. >> hate england. this place sucks. the majority of people that i've met in england that are english, not all of them obviously can't speak for everyone, ever. but there's a good proportion that are just horrible people , the government horrible people, the government sucks, the weather's awful, the

job market is terrible. we get paid terribly, i mean , obviously paid terribly, i mean, obviously the nhs now was really good, and now it's not being funded nearly enough, no, i'm not particularly proud to be british, and we've got awful stereotypes for the rest of the world. i mean, we're the most obnoxious. comes to holidays and it's just horrible. we refuse to learn other people's languages and it's disgusting. no, i'd rather be. i'd rather be french . i'd rather be french. >> go on there, mate. get on a dinghy. off you go to calais or dunkirk. so are you proud to be english? >> british? yeah, but i'm not surprised by his views. this is the thing. that's another thing that bothers me. i don't really i'm not bothered by what he said. of course he's entitled to his opinion. i'm bothered with people's patriotism being linked to the state of the country or decisions made by politicians. that's not real. patriotism andrew. >> well, he should be ashamed. >> well, he should be ashamed. >> doesn't he realise that his forebears fought for our freedom and democracy? he lives in a free society today because of what our ancestors have given us, and we should cherish what we've got and not rubbish our own country. >> yeah, amy, very quickly, i

think that andrew should be ashamed on behalf of the government that you've put that man in that mood to say those things. >> he's a disgruntled constituent, potentially . constituent, potentially. >> they haven't got a clue about anything. you know, they think they know everything. time to crown tonight's greatest britain and union jack carson . esther, and union jack carson. esther, who is your greatest britain tonight, please. >> so my greatest britain is rikki gleason, who is also a friend of mine. so it's a bit of a shout out, but he runs an organisation called hudak's, which is a charity shop and a soon to be gym, which helps ex—offenders and people at risk of offending to get clean and to get back on track. he himself was a heroin addict who got clean, who got fit, joined the navy and is now a part of the army. but he's a living, breathing definition of what you can do with your life. if you really choose to change things and turn your life around and give back to your community. nice. >> good stuff. andrew. >> good stuff. andrew. >> well, my greatest britain is england's patron saint. saint george . we are celebrating saint george. we are celebrating saint george's day and i think that we should give him the accolade because it's time we celebrated love of country and pride in

being english, i think, and pride in all. >> something to say about that because no, no , no, the green because no, no, no, the green room she was banging on about him being turkish. >> yeah, i was going to say i wouldn't be a proper leftie if i didn't say he's a migrant who was born in palestine, and he'd be on the way to rwanda. >> well, our patron saint, amy el—sisi, inclusive we are. >> at least you accept he was a working migrant. he's an economic migrant. and, you know, it's a very interesting. who's your union? greatest britain. >> so it's james timpson, the ceo of timpson's, because he sounds like a legend, actually. and he's currently offering free dry cleaning in all stores to anyone who is unemployed and might need an outfit cleaned for a job interview. oh, that's brilliant, isn't it? >> i think i mean, that is great what he's doing, but i don't think that's for new him. he's done a lot of similar things in the past. he's allege, yeah, i'm going to go with your man ricky. is it ricky? really? oh, wow. i think it's a really great story. and actually, whenever this happens, you know, it's sometimes it takes you to go to the depths of hell before you can get the inspiration and the motivation to turn your life around . and yeah, i really love around. and yeah, i really love the story. so well done, ricky gleason, props to you , union

jackass. >> yes, patrick harvie, who is the green co—leader who basically has nothing to rebut the cass review except that it's , it's ignored evidence and has weaponized, has been weaponized to undermine trans people's very existence without offering any alternative evidence of his own. he just doesn't like that it didn't support his side of the argument, basically, which is horrifying, because i thought he would be more horrified by the number of children that were basically used as lab rats , and basically used as lab rats, and they're all doing it as well. >> andrew union jack well, it's this doctor, shola, she says in her tweet today. >> i find nothing inspiring or patriotic about britain's saint george's flag. why do these people hate our country so much? i think she should get the union jack ass. >> she's so divisive , so >> she's so divisive, so divisive. some would argue even racist, anti—british anti—everything wants to drag the country down. why does she get away with it? >> i don't know, but i don't think she should be tolerated . think she should be tolerated. frankly, it is. >> no, no, it is free speech and it's quite offensive. >> some of the things she says quite offensive. >> what's your thoughts on

shola, i just, >> what's your thoughts on shola, ijust, i >> what's your thoughts on shola, i just, i just don't know, i, i don't, i don't mean this to say that people can't have their views, but i generally think she just hates being here. i'm like, you don't have to be here, but why doesn't she doesn't seem to enjoy it here. i've never i've never heard her say anything positive. and she also mentioned that she was like nigerian royalty. so i'm like, if i was any sort of royalty, i'd be in the country where i'm royalty. >> it's a bit weird, like if i was in a place that i didn't enjoy and i hated so much, maybe she loves. yeah, maybe. >> the thing is, i don't mind her view. she just genuinely seems really unhappy. >> i hate our country so much. >> i hate our country so much. >> no, i think britain has given these people everything. >> maybe you knew her better, but every time i've seen her or she seems really upset, it's them far right thugs that went and spoilt that, far right thugs that spoilt the saint george's. what was it? march parade by not keeping to the police cordon. just keep in your area, please. >> all the elderly pensioners going out and having a nice day. why couldn't they just keep to the perimeter? i'm going to. who is my union jack? i start with shola. of course. i just don't understand why she's so divisive. she's very toxic. some would argue she's racist, an

actual fact. it can't be that much fun living your life like that. constantly angry at everyone, constantly angry at you know, the country. >> i just wants to make things a little bit better. >> i don't think you do that. >> i don't think you do that. >> maybe she just needs a holiday. maybe. yeah, she just needs some help. >> maybe. maybe she should enter a gb news big giveaway greek cruise, £10,000 cash, etc, etc. good luck guys . thank you so good luck guys. thank you so much for tonight. esther krakue, andrew rosindell, amy nicole turner and thank you at home for watching as well. really appreciate all your messages . appreciate all your messages. patrick, you'll be pleased to know is back tomorrow with a new tan. i hope. next up it's headliners. good night. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar , sponsors of weather on . solar, sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> hello. good evening. welcome to your latest gb news weather update. it will stay dry, but it will be quite a cold night. tonight and throughout tomorrow the best of the sunshine will be across north and western areas once again. that's because high pressure is dominating over

here. meanwhile, to the east of the uk we've got low pressure and this weather front that's brought cloudier skies throughout the afternoon to the southeast. that should clear away overnight, though , and away overnight, though, and we'll be left with this northerly wind that will bring a cold feel to coastal areas through wednesday, but also a few showers overnight. tonight should be fairly light and mainly just restricted coastal areas further north and west, though clear and dry and quite cold. by tomorrow we could be down as low as minus 3 or 4 for some scottish glens, but the frost should be fairly patchy and should melt away fairly quickly as well . then we'll be quickly as well. then we'll be left with a dry and bright day for many western areas of the uk in the east, though, with this northerly wind that's always going to drag in a bit more in the way of cloud. and that risk of showers will continue into wednesday afternoon. we'll feel a little bit brighter, though than today as the cloud will be a bit higher and then the best of the sunshine could see highs of the sunshine could see highs of 15 or 16 degrees. another cold night to come on wednesday night. so a cold start on thursday. and then this area of low pressure in the north sea

will bring this band of rain and cloud across northern areas of england, southern scotland, through thursday should be drier and brighter in the south, but then friday and saturday look that much more unsettled. however, notice temperatures will start to rise by saturday. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb news.

weather >> good evening. i'm ray anderson in the gb newsroom . and anderson in the gb newsroom. and we start with some breaking news. two people have been airlifted to hospital after a small aircraft crashed near the village of monkton in south ayrshire. the incident happened just after 4 pm, less than two miles from prestwick international airport . miles from prestwick international airport. h.m. coastguard airlifted them to queen elizabeth university hospital in glasgow, while police closed the a71 . nine police closed the a71. nine scottish fire and rescue service say they were on the scene for several hours. we'll bring you more on that as we get it. now, the prime minister says the government will increase defence spending to 2.5% of gdp by 2030 dunng spending to 2.5% of gdp by 2030 during a trip to poland , rishi during a trip to poland, rishi sunak said the budget will reach £87 billion by the end of the decade. £87 billion by the end of the decade . addressing troops, he decade. addressing troops, he also said the uk defence industry will be put on a war

footing. mr sunak called the plans