brace will he or not? and brace yourself, very, will he or not.7 and brace yourself, very, very important announcement. are you sitting down composed? the nhs is set to declare ready that sex is biological . how on earth have we biological. how on earth have we ended up in this absolutely ridiculous situation? that is all to come and more not least, including the fact that many migrants apparently earmarked to go to rwanda have gone missing . go to rwanda have gone missing. goodness me. let's first, though, get stuck into the 6:00 news. >> good evening. i'm ray addison in the gb newsroom . our top in the gb newsroom. our top stories this hour and video has emerged showing the moment that police arrested a man wielding a sword in north—east london. officers cornered him at a property, bringing the suspect to the ground with three separate taser discharges. he's

been arrested on suspicion of murder following the death of a 14 year old boy. the 36 year old suspect is now in hospital, police saying they've been unable to interview him due to his condition. four other people were injured, including two police officers. earlier, buckingham palace said the king's thoughts and prayers are with all those affected. assistant commissioner louisa rolfe says the suspect was not known to them. >> the 36 year old man arrested at the scene is currently in hospital having suffered injuries when his van collided with a building. he has been arrested on suspicion of murder at this time, given his injuries, we have been unable to interview him . we know there is interview him. we know there is speculation about his background, including police contact with him and despite urgent and extensive checks today, we have found no trace of a prior incident involving him so far . so far. >> very well. local residents have spoken of their fear following that attack. >> it's really, really

devastating because now i live here, i've lived, i don't feel safe anymore. i don't think i'd be able to take my daughter and let her out by herself here, because we're constantly now , because we're constantly now, within the last year and a half, we're hearing something's always happening. you almost become more cynical to it after a while , but i think when you have conversations about the police forces and you know , attendances forces and you know, attendances to incidents like this , the to incidents like this, the police force needs to be commended for what they have been able to achieve with the resources they've got a jealous ex—partner who killed a mother in front of her two children has been handed a life sentence. >> 46 year old obert moyo attacked 35 year old perseverance and koob in her bedroom , before chasing her into bedroom, before chasing her into the street. once there, he stabbed her through the heart with a meat skewer. he's been told he must serve a minimum of 27 years. king charles has revealed his shock at being

diagnosed with cancer as he returned to official public dufies returned to official public duties for the first time since his diagnosis , as he visited a his diagnosis, as he visited a cancer treatment centre alongside the queen to meet medical specialists and patients. when asked about the state of his health, he said i'm well the king has been announced as the new patron of cancer research uk, taking over from his mother, the late queen elizabeth. the government has denied claims that it's lost track of thousands of migrants. that's after a home office report suggested that more than half of those set for deportation to rwanda could not be located . according to the be located. according to the figures, just over 2100 identified for removal are in touch with authorities . that's touch with authorities. that's out of 5700. all had been told that their asylum claims were inadmissible. shadow chancellor rachel reeves says the government has lost control of illegal immigration. >> the conservatives have lost control of the borders and now they have literally lost the

people who they say they're going to be sending to rwanda. they've lost control of the immigration and asylum system, and it is ordinary working people that are paying the price. the government needs to crack down on the criminal gangs that are luring people to this country, and then process the claims without losing the asylum seekers, which is now what is appearing to happen. >> so keir starmer says the people of scotland should be allowed to have a say on who becomes the next leader of the snp. that's after a motion of no confidence in the scottish government was tabled by the labour party there. that will be debated and voted on tomorrow. humza yousaf announced that he was stepping down as first minister on monday and will continue in his post until a replacement can be found. senior snp figures are backing former deputy first minister john swinney for the top job, but scottish labour leader anas sarwar says mr swinney is not the change. candidate john swinney has been at the heart of the snp government for the last

17 years. >> he's at the heart of the snp party. for the last 40 years he was the architect of the finance deals that broke local government. he was the worst education secretary in the history of the scottish parliament. he's the man that wrote and delivered the bute house agreement and now somehow wants to pretend he's the change candidate . candidate. >> two men have been charged with causing criminal damage to the famous sycamore gap tree in northumberland last year. now there was a national outcry when there was a national outcry when the much loved 200 year old tree, which stood in a dramatic dip on hadrian's wall, was found to have been felled . daniel to have been felled. daniel graham and adam carruthers have also been charged with causing criminal damage to the wall, and will appear at southeast northumberland magistrates court on the 15th of may. well. for more top stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gb news. common alerts. now back to

. michelle. >> thanks very much for that. i'm michelle dewberry and i'm keeping you company till 7:00 tonight alongside me, the parliamentary sketchwriter at the daily mail, quentin letts and the author and journalist ella whelan. welcome back everybody. you know the drill on this programme, don't you? it's not just about us three. it is about you guys at home as well. what's on your mind? you can email me at gb views @gbnews. com or you can tweet or text me or of course you can go to our website which is gbnews.com. slash your say and you can join the conversation. then if you when you're looking at the home screen , it's kind of the top screen, it's kind of the top left and it'll say right on the, the banner , you'll say you just the banner, you'll say you just click on there and away you go. you're all very welcome this evening. but of course, the top story in town today are absolutely horrendous scenes which unfolded very early on this morning in london, when we saw a man going on a rampage with a sword. you heard that right, killing a 14 year old

boy. let me cross live to herm and security editor mark white. good evening to you , mark. this good evening to you, mark. this has been quite a developing story as the day has gone on to you, michelle, bring our viewers up to speed, if you will, with the very latest that we know. >> well, the very latest is some new picture that we've obtained which shows the dramatic moments in which this 30 year old suspect was arrested, arrested by police officers, frontline police officers armed with tasers who had to try to subdue him multiple times with taser firearms, or at least taser stun guns, because these things are never 100, guaranteed. and sometimes they just don't connect and don't bring a suspect down. and this imagery was captured on a doorbell camera, and it shows, as i say, the moments where that, suspect was cornered by that doorway and

a number of police officers eventually managed to bring him down to the ground and arrest him. this was 22 minutes after the initial 999 call was received by scotland yard, reporting that a van had smashed into a house and that a person was involved in stabbing individuals. when the police got there, they said that other members of the public had been stabbed and were told, of course, that two police officers were also stabbed as they tried to confront and arrest this individual . all. now, we've individual. all. now, we've heard a couple of updates from police throughout the day. they say that as yet they have not been able to establish a motivation because they've not been able to speak to the man who was injured in that initial vehicle crash. so he is currently in hospital and not yet, according to the police, in a fit state to be interviewed. but they of course, of course

are delving into his background, will be speaking to family members and friends of this individual to try to establish exactly who he is. michelle. and importantly , at this stage, importantly, at this stage, police say they're not aware of having any prior contact with this individual before this morning's deadly events that resulted in the death. the murder of a 14 year old boy . murder of a 14 year old boy. >> absolutely shocking. mark white, thank you very much for that update, sir. i think , that update, sir. i think, there's this there's this additional footage that i've personally seen on social media that some of you guys might have actually seen at home, we've not been able to play it for you , been able to play it for you, but it stopped me in my tracks, and i'll describe it for you instead, because the scene shows, this person, this man with his sword, and he's ran kind of what i would call like a ten foot. it's like the back of the houses and the police officers are saying, you know, come here, come here, come here,

anyway, he's up on this roof. he goes up on these roofs and the officers are shouting to him, you know, come this way, come this way, come this way. and he doesn't. and instead he jumps into somebody's garden and the police officers are screaming at the top of their voice, lock your doors , lock your doors, your doors, lock your doors, everybody lock your doors. lock your doors and even, like recounting it now, it puts like chills on my arms because they were desperately trying to keep everybody safe . they were going everybody safe. they were going towards him. you just saw then the moment that he was kind of subdued, tasered and arrested, they were going towards them and very often, and i admit it often on this program as well, very often, and i admit it often on this program as well , the on this program as well, the police do come in for criticism. and i think it's really important. firstly, before we get into some of the other throngs of the debate, to actually take a second to give credit where it's due, because so many officers today, they did run towards that bravery. they put themselves in harm's way. and actually, you know , the and actually, you know, the death toll and stuff could be a lot higher if it wasn't for those brave police officers. and they don't often get the credit

they don't often get the credit they deserve. no. >> and even from looking at that clip of him being tasered, it's quite i mean, it's heartening to know that so many officers respond. officers responded and that he was , brought down that he was, brought down eventually. i mean, 22 minutes in, it could have been quicker, but it isn't to me, it doesn't seem shockingly long time to respond, there's not a huge amount to analyse because we just don't know enough about what has happened. and it was so recent other than obviously expressing utter heartbreak at a parent's worst nightmare with the 14 year old, but i suppose in the coming sort of hours and days, there will be questions about his background , but also about his background, but also how this fits into a broader picture of, knife crime in, in the capital. i mean, obviously any it is possible for freak incidents like this to happen andifs incidents like this to happen and it's not your everyday occurrence that someone goes around with what looks like a samurai sword, but this is one of those terrifying events that's hard to understand at the moment. >> very good, very good footage that that doorbell camera, footage journalistically. very

interesting . but also be useful, interesting. but also be useful, i suspect in, in the legal proceedings, the suspect was wielding a villainous looking blade. and you have to say thank goodness for taser because as it's good that the officers didn't need to get any closer to the tip of that device, it reminded me of what happened in westminster. six years ago to police constable keith palmer, r.i.p. and i was, i happened to watch that event . i saw keith watch that event. i saw keith palmer being knifed. did you? and it was not. it's not something that one, particular me wants to think about too much because it was most unpleasant . because it was most unpleasant. >> and that was the one, i'm sure. was it tobias ellwood then he was it. tobias ellwood. >> tobias ellwood then. then tried to give resuscitation. but these these knives are fantastically unpleasant pieces of kit and, the, the damage that they can do doesn't really bear thinking about. >> no, indeed, let's come back

to this 22 minutes then, because that was the time from the first call, to this fella being tasered and it got me wondering, do we need to have more armed police? because all the fuss, i mean, i've seen lots and lots of this footage, and they're in close ish proximity to this guy. obviously not close enough to discharge a taser . but then if discharge a taser. but then if someone was armed, if some of those officers were armed with guns, they could perhaps. and i confess, i am not an armed, expert, but to me, it looked like there would have been opportunities to whether even if you're just trying to shoot him in the leg or something, just to collapse him while you can grab him. but would that have sped things up, do you think? do you think we should have more armed police? >> no, i don't think so. i think that i'm quite proud that we live in a society that doesn't have that level of weaponry on the streets. but look at him now. how. >> now. >> like, look at him there. i mean, it's absolutely true that he's it's a i wouldn't like to be the one facing him, let's put it that way, but i think that,

you know, part of the bravery of the police and the skill of being a public servant in the police is to be able to handle situations like that without reaching for a gun. i mean, we could get into the sort of discussion about what happens in america with police who are armed to the teeth. i wouldn't like to replicate that in this country, but i think just just a sort of a point on the whole, kind of the horrendousness of the knife, recently you had idris elba fronting a campaign to ban what was called zombie knives , and there is a real kind knives, and there is a real kind of, understandable obsession with the with the tool itself , with the with the tool itself, and i think that's a mistake to get too hung up on that because you can do terrible damage with a bread knife. and the issue of these kind of attacks isn't necessarily just about the scale of the implement that's used . of the implement that's used. >> so what are you saying about why we shouldn't be trying to restrict access to these tools? >> you know, i have no, i can't though. >> i mean, you can't you have to have knives in life. you have to

have knives in life. you have to have knives. butchers have to have knives. butchers have to have knives. butchers have to have knives to. yeah. cut up a cow. i mean, you know, it's an impossible argument to say that you've just got to ban knives. that's ridiculous. and the problems here may be very different. they may be. well, let's not speculate. let's not speculate . speculate. >> so what do you think about, having more armed police , like having more armed police, like if there was armed officers in that scenario, could that have perhaps brought it to a close or scenarios like that quicker? >> i still have a romantic attachment to, to what ella was saying about being glad that on generally in this country, our police don't, as a matter of everyday habits, go around wearing guns. i still have a romantic attachment to that. of course, it's a slightly ridiculous romantic attachment because there are police who have guns. and at westminster, where i work, you can see plenty of police with guns. but, the states , is a bad example or a states, is a bad example or a good example. it's an example of what can happen if you over gun a society . a society. >> yeah. i've got to say as well, there was an initial statement that came out from the police that was describing that child as being a 13 year old

child, but then they issued a correction to that because apparently he just had his birthday fairly recently, was in fact, 14. it just does not bear thinking about if that is your child. and i don't know, one might assume that given the time of the day was about to get up and go to school or whatever it was, it doesn't bear thinking about that. that could happen just snatched away in an instant. >> it's a parent's worst nightmare , and that poor boy had nightmare, and that poor boy had his whole life ahead of him . i his whole life ahead of him. i mean, any death is a tragedy, but particularly with someone so young , it but particularly with someone so young, it just really is. it's really brings it's terrible. it's heartbreaking, kelly, one of my viewers says, i live in hainault and i will just take a second because there'll be many people that are perhaps not familiar with the geography of london. so i will just take a second to show you where hainault is. so if you're sitting there, first of all, i'll do it on reference to a tube map. so anyone that knows anything really about london, it's kind of. it's on the central line. i've circled it up

there. it's on central line. i think it's in zone four, so obviously zone one is central london. so we go out to zone four. so it's on that circle line. so that kind of gives you some context. it's north—east london. so that's where we're talking about. and there you go. you can see it on the map. so that just gives you a little bit of context where it is anyway kelly says i live in hainault and today's events are absolutely shocking. my heart goes out to the family who've lost their beautiful boy. as a community, we are absolutely devastated. and she asks a simple question what are you going to do about this, prime minister? what can he do? quentin? >> well, he can continue to stop and search. i think that's a very important policy, which some people don't like, but i think it's an excellent policy because it takes knives off the streets. >> so you would have more of that. >> but i continue with that. but i mean, there are some people who want to get rid of that saying that it's racist, but i just think it's a it's a very important policy.

>> i mean, the little information we have looking at the footage of this man who's with the knife, i mean, he wouldn't come under a stop and search policy. >> no, no, but i mean, but the i'm not saying in this case. yeah, but but that but so i don't think talking about stop and search is relevant in these kind of cases. >> i am also one of those people that thinks a reliance on stop and search to solve knife crime can lead into territories of stereotyping young black men who are just going about their business and have no knives on them and no no want to have knives on them. and what rishi sunak can do, i mean, there is a question about hang on, isn't that a small price to pay if the wrong person gets stopped and searched and doesn't have anything on them? >> as long as that stop and search is done respectfully, isn't that a small price to pay? you've stopped that person. he had nothing on, but actually you've stopped that person and he's carrying a machete. you potentially save lives. >> it's not a small price to pay if you're a young black man who's constantly being stopped by the police, which isn't a small deal, it's being stopped by the police. it's a big deal. it's not a small price to pay. if that's you, and i think it's

worth reminding everyone that stops being repeatedly stopped and searched is a deeply unpleasant. it's not just deeply unpleasant, it's a i think it's an injustice to an innocent person . i think it has its place person. i think it has its place in limited situations . person. i think it has its place in limited situations. but i think also sort of the discussion about knife crime has to encompass a bigger kind of question of what's going on with, in particular with young people in particular, young black men in society. that seems to be where most of the knife crime happens in london. it's different in places like manchester and other urban areas. but this we again , let's areas. but this we again, let's not speculate, but the with the limited footage we have , this limited footage we have, this incident that took place in hainault doesn't fit the kind of broader picture that people have of knife crime. so when we find out more details, we can then make an assessment of what can be done in relation to this, victor says. >> never mind asking of the police should be armed. we should all be allowed to be armed, he said. second amendment please. cor blimey, we don't want to end up like america, do we, victor carroll says you're asking police should please be

armed. well, hello. we've talked about this for decades. she says the answer is simple. of course they should. it's like asking, do we need lungs in order to breathe? the answer is yes, but tom says fascinating. asking whether or not you think more police should be armed. but the reality is that many firearms officers now don't want to do their job officers now don't want to do theirjob and perhaps numbers, he suggests, are on the decrease because they don't want to end up on a murder charge. what do you make to all of that? there's lots i want to talk to you about coming up after the break, george galloway, he has confirmed that he will be contesting with his party the next general election . he says next general election. he says that the labour party have let down the working class and his party are the ones to fix it. is he right

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whelan and quentin. let's remain alongside me. joanna says. michelle, i've got a family member who works in firearms and they say they are rarely deployed now because they are commander, fearful of deploying them because it would come back to bite you, she says that these people have not got the backing or the support when they use their firearms. or the support when they use theirfirearms. i or the support when they use their firearms. i was asking, of course, whether or not we need more armed police in the events of what we've seen unfolding in london this morning. horrendous, also taking place today, we've seen a big press conference outside of parliament, taken place by george galloway, and he's working for party great britain. he was saying essentially that his party is going to stand in the next general election, and he believes that his party are the ones to fight for the working class. he absolutely believes that the labour party has abandoned them. let's listen to what george galloway had to say. >> let me take aroma and angela raynen >> let me take aroma and angela rayner, her majority is 4000. aroma will take a minimum of

10,000 and a maximum of 20,000 votes. that puts that puts angela rayner out of parliament. >> and blimey, there you go. angela rayner out of parliament. do you think that's realistic or not, monty panesar as well. the, bowler he is one of the candidates. let's listen to what he has to say . okay. he has to say. okay. >> i'm sure everyone's probably asking the big question why have i joined this party? and i think the only reason is i'm here to represent the working class people of this country . and when people of this country. and when i played cricket for england, i know i got so much support from the public and now it's my time to give back, give back to the working class, make sure that the gap between the rich and poor gets closer. and that's why i'm joining this party. and hopefully i'll win my seat at southall in ealing and make a difference to this country . difference to this country. >> tiger i was hoping to speak to monty tonight. i was looking

forward to it in fact. but his agent said he's a bit too tired, after the busy goings on of the day. if you want to represent the workers, monty, you've got to learn to graft, my friend. put a proper shift in, and hopefully i'll speak to him very soon, but, quentin, what do you make, then? the workers party of great britain, are they going to be a threat to the labour party? >> they might be. i don't know. it's very hard to predict these things , monty panesar, a very things, monty panesar, a very good spin bowler, took 167 wickets in tests. so nothing wrong with his spinning. so maybe that'll help in politics. but i have to say when, when, my boy, my son was about 5 or 6, he went through a period when he was trying to collect autographs of cricketers, and he went up to kevin pietersen, who was said to be a very difficult bloke, and kevin pietersen could not have been more charming. and he went up to andrew strauss and andrew strauss, fantastically nice to him at bristol and then at gloucester. we went to gloucester. we went to gloucester when gloucestershire played there and, he went in

northamptonshire playing and in my little boy claude went up to monty panesar. the wonderful had such a good reputation and panesar was horrible to him. couldn't give him the time of day. so what was that about? now is my time to give back. well it certainly wasn't his, his behaviour at that point. i was very disappointed, and my boy was sort of crestfallen and couldn't understand the reaction of, oh, i heard that. >> i heard that when i see, footballers and stuff and they just walk past their fans, i always hate that because i think it's your fans that put you in that position, i was watching, was it good morning britain or something? an interview this morning with george galloway, and i actually thought that the presenters were very kind of dismissive of him, were almost. i would say, almost bordering on mocking him. and didn't really wanted to go back in time, you know. did you say this? i think it was 12 years ago or whatever. and he was kind of getting very frustrated and saying, look, i'm here to talk about the here and now and what the people of

britain want and need going forward, and he was very passionate about what he is trying to create and obviously believes very much in what he's saying, that he feels that the labour party have left the kind of working classes. what do you think? >> well, he's right that the labour party have a distance, deliberately distanced themselves from working class interests. if they were ever augned interests. if they were ever aligned with it. i think that's probably debateable. the labour party is now the party of the middle class, but whether or not the working class of this country will line in behind the workers party as i think you know, a question that's at least debateable at this point. it's interesting looking at the difference between what monty panesar said and what and galloway's tactics , because galloway's tactics, because obviously galloway, won the recent election by being gaza george and being very open about saying this is all about what's happening in the middle east, and there's nothing wrong with caring about what's happening in other parts of the world. but quite clearly, playing on that issue for an electorate that cared about it. for me, he's a little strays a little bit too close into the, you know, territory that i think, is a not

quite pro—hamas, but, you know, he's not he doesn't condemn that side of it enough for me, but there's monty panesar on the other hand, has been interviewed today and said, you know, gaza , today and said, you know, gaza, all of that. i'll leave all that to george nato we'll leave all that to george. what i care aboutis that to george. what i care about is ltns and having a referendum on net zero now in southall and ealing, the issue of driving and ltns and all of that and net zero in particular. ltns is a big one, so, you know, it's these kind of elections, big elections, like general elections, also by elections and local elections are increasingly being fought on single issues, whether that's in relation to gaza and the question of ceasefire or ltns. >> so it's an old lib dem trick that. >> well, yeah. >> well, yeah. >> and the lib dems in various parts of the country have completely different messages. >> it has its pros and its cons. but i think if you're going to make a if you're going to make a big claim like monty panesar has just done that, he's standing up for the interests of the working

class in this country. first, you have to identify what those interests are because actually it's relatively split and not clear. the only real expression of working class political, you know, expression in recent british history was the brexit referendum, and even that has its tensions and its complexities. so, you know, i think just simply talking about the rich and the poor and inequality sounds good, but it's not it's not the kind of complex discussion that we need about what the working class actually wants. >> i want to just come back to that whilst at some point i just want to replay that footage as well, because i did notice when there was that press conference outside of parliament, some of you might have picked up on that at home, the kind of placard things that they were waving did say, didn't it, it was saying for britain, i don't need the sound. i don't think i'll just show you the graphics because it's very much you'll notice for britain, for gaza, you can see that on their. can you see that? yeah. do you i mean, do you think this is the right approach, kind of to have, celebrity candidates? >> i'm always a bit suspicious of celebrity candidates. not because, i mean, you know, you've got. he's he's a citizen.

he's got a right to stand, of course, but the celebrity appeal can be a bit like throwing petrol on a fire. a tremendous whoosh at first. no, it doesn't always last. >> i meant more having, should gaza be playing ? should be. gaza be playing? should be. should that be a key role when it comes to a key issue? when it comes to the next general election? >> well, that's up to the party strategists or their members, i guess. i mean, gaza is of a lot of a lot of people get very excited about that. so, i mean, it may work for them electorally. it may peel off a certain part of the labour vote. i don't know, it's happily not my problem. >> monty panesar also said his, aspiration in politics is to one day become the prime minister. kathy gyngell . well, i would say kathy gyngell. well, i would say careful what you wish for. yeah, i mean, good luck to him. why would you laugh? would you laugh? because you think that's unrealistic? >> i think to say if you if you're just announcing your candidacy in a parliamentary election and say, i want to be prime minister, i think you're you're you're several steps ahead. i think you well, i, you

know, i just i just think it's sort of, a bit like hereford fc, whom i love, saying we're going to win the premiership. yeah. well, wouldn't you be saluting them? >> dreaming big? >> dreaming big? >> well, yeah. well, i admire your aspirational encouragement there, but i just think it's just don't think it's feasible. >> let me tell you what i think goes on in politics. and you weren't like this. i think there's too much elitist snobbery. and i think i'd agree with you. and i think you're laughing. and i might be wrong. it's almost because you almost look and think, what you know. you've got no business coming into absolute baloney . into absolute baloney. >> there's a there's there is elitism in politics. i quite agree with you. but there's also scepticism in journalism. and that's what i do. >> what do you make? suella. >> what do you make? suella. >> well , look, the >> what do you make? suella. >> well, look, the thing that george galloway is very i might disagree with his politics, particularly in relation to the middle east, but there's one thing he's very good at is being ambitious. >> he's a great talker. he gives a fantastic speeches and we are at a current moment in which

politics is increasingly technocratic. it's just managerial . technocratic. it's just managerial. it's very small fry. everybody, almost everyone in westminster at the moment, from labour or the tories or anyone is talking about sort of how things have to be. there can be no big ideas. everything just has to be managed in a sort of, you know, very small minded way. and to have someone, whether it's monty panesar, george galloway, there's some things happening in the reform party, all these sort of little independents happening here or there to come along at a hustings or wherever else. and say, actually, i'm going to, i'm going to throw some big ideas out there. i think that's that's a welcome change in politics. we've had enough of that. >> that's a bit different from saying, i want to be prime minister >> well, if he's got the stones to think he can do it, then fair play to think he can do it, then fair play to him. i think particularly if he's going to go on and i want to be world king, if he's going to go on an issue of the of ltns in, in london boroughs, then he might very well be very successful because he's standing in a people in a seat in london, where the

current labour mp is a right old bozo. >> so you never know. >> so you never know. >> you see, i just don't, you know, i think actually what we needin know, i think actually what we need in politics is fresher, different people from outside of the world that would ordinarily be expected to go into politics. so i don't i mean, i don't know this fellow. i have no idea what the worker's party is also neither fresh nor different. >> those of us on the left remember what i do. >> but what i do know is that so many people, including myself, are disillusioned with politics at the moment. absolutely many, many, many people probably wouldn't turn out in votes in the next general election. and we would debate this all the time, whether or not that's the right or wrong approach, whatever, but there's loads of people that feel disenfranchised, unrepresented and disconnected to what people would call the political class . would call the political class. so when i see anybody new coming out and saying, actually , i've out and saying, actually, i've got political ambitions and aspirations, i applaud that. i've ran for a general election twice. it's hard. it is tiring. it takes its toll. the amount of abuse we talked about this, quentin, the abuse that you get

launched at, you when you have the audacity to enter into politics is not for the faint hearted. yeah. so more new people , is there is there not? people, is there is there not? >> also the argument that that, people going into politics, it's no bad thing if they have put in the shoe leather and, and some of the, the best constituency mps are people who've come up through councils and have got to know their boroughs or their wards and have been knocked on a lot of doorstep doors, and that is a very important part of the political setup. now. now now you'll be saying about those people, oh, well, they're just part of the machine. but actually that's a rather onorable part of the machine in that they have put in the legwork over the years. but i think i think, you know, you don't. >> there's a kind of practicality to it, which is knowing the business, which is no bad thing as you've just described. but i also think that, you know, it's all about what ideas you have. and at the moment, all the ideas in

westminster or whether it's local councils or anything like that are tired. they're not. they are there's that's true. there's not been a new idea around the palaces of westminster for more than a decade. it's all the same rwanda, it's the ukraine. there's nothing new to that taking on the russians. we live in technocratic times. and i'm not saying monty panesar is some kind of, you know, a solution to that, but a little bit of difference. give the guy a bit of space. >> you can have the final say at home. what do you make to it all? get in touch because i'm fascinated by what you make to that. coming up after the break. you need to be seated for this one because i have a massive announcement to make. you won't believe it. i'll see you

hi there. i'm michelle dewberry. i'm with you till seven. the parliamentary sketchwriter at the daily mail. quentin letts is alongside me, as is the author and the journalist ella wheeler. and i told you all to sit down.

i've got big news very important stuff that i need to declare to you today. and it was the front page of the telegraph newspaper. are you sitting comfortably? let's have a look at it. this is today's. are you ready? sex is a biological fact, says the nhs. well, look, i took the liberty. if it all goes wrong @gbnews i took the liberty of mocking up tomorrow's front page for the telegraph. look. there you go. water is wet. don't let it ever be said that i am not scientific with my details. everybody, joking aside, ella whelan the story today was that the nhs are now saying that they have this constitution basically, which is about how staff and, patients get treated and now what they want to build into this . want to build into this. previously in 2021, they essentially said , that when you essentially said, that when you go into the hospital, you should be respected on the gender that you identify as. now, what they're saying that all of that should be essentially replaced,

with the fact that sex is biological and you should be treated as such, i.e. if you're a female, you're in a female ward and vice versa. >> yeah. it seems like the most bafic >> yeah. it seems like the most basic of common sense, and we can laugh at it and it is stupid and it is funny because this is so ridiculous, but there is a serious undertone to this, which is that the nhs is meant to be an institution based in science , an institution based in science, reason, fact and trust. you're meant to be able to trust that doctors, nurses and the administration that runs around the nhs knows exactly what it's doing and is doing the best for its patients. and this interjection in 2021 of sort of the gender wars coming into the nhs and the nonsense that you would have , people who are men would have, people who are men who are biologically male but say they are trans women sleeping or indeed being treated in, women only wards or things like that, that that was a reality that could have happened. was i think, an

atrocious overstep and a sort of politicisation of an institution that wasn't necessary, you know, there's the safety question to this. there's also a sort of just a privacy and dignity question to this. it's bad enough having to share a ward with other women, you know, all doing being, you know, walking around in a, gown with your backside hanging out. it would be unconscionable to ask women to do that if they knew that there was a man in the bed next to them. so there's i think we have you know, the other element of this is if the nhs doesn't know that sex is biological, that sex is biological, in fact, how has it been, you know, administering blood tests, treating people for cancer, doing all the stuff that you need to do. they they knew this already. they were lying when they said that they didn't in 2021. >> quentin, i think it just shows that that elite you were talking about has quite a few nutjobs in it that this has to be, reasserted. doctors given biology lesson and not liking it ehhen biology lesson and not liking it either. not liking it. there's some pushback from the nhs confederation on this. a man called matthew taylor is quoted in, in, in, in the copy and he's

saying, oh, you know, this is just culture wars and we need to avoid this at a time of political approaching election . political approaching election. it doesn't say, though, it does not say in the story . it doesn't not say in the story. it doesn't point out that matthew taylor used to be a labour party spin doctor. i'd have thought that might have been a relevant fact. this is all to do with the nhs constitution. i didn't even know that the nhs had a constitution, some sort of legal document, and it's every ten years they look at the, nhs constitution. they try to work out whether this, this great document has to be altered. i mean, why do, why do we have to why don't we just use common sense instead of an nhs? constitute option? well, because because maybe because the lawyers i know . lawyers i know. >> well no, because campaign groups and lobbying groups are really, really successfully infiltrated all aspects of pubuc infiltrated all aspects of public life, from schools to health care's . yeah, to, the health care's. yeah, to, the legal proceedings. and they've been very, very successful. i can tell you now, there's a joint statement that was issued, it won't surprise you to know that not everybody was happy about this. this statement was

issued by a collection of gendered intelligence. the kite trust, mermaids, stonewall, lgbt foundation, so on and so forth. they say everyone deserves timely access to holistic, high quality health care and to be treated with dignity, privacy and respect throughout their treatment and care. they go on to say that trans, non—binary and intersex people face already significant barriers and inequality when accessing nhs care, and they go on to point out that this is a consultation which closes on 25th of june, and they want everyone to get involved and make their feelings known about that. they are very concerned about it. >> i think that that's a real terrible slandering of nhs staff going on in responses like that. there's this sort of picture painted that before the nhs made its pronouncements on, being, you know, gender non—binary or having, you know, a gender neutral language and things like that, that every nurse and doctor that ever saw a trans person was horrible and didn't respond to them and didn't call them what they wanted. that just isn't the case that we do not have some kind of pandemic of

transphobic stuff in the nhs. so if i was an nhs staff worker, i'd feel really aggrieved at that picture that's being painted. but there's, you know, there's also a sort of there has to be a reckoning with reality here, which is that if you are a trans patient going into access care in the nhs, there is a difference between you being treated with dignity like anyone else and you know the name that you have being used and all the rest of it, which staff already do. but then when it comes down to the nuts and bolts of where you will sleep on a ward or what again, what blood tests you will be given, what treatment you are being given, you have to come to reckoning with the reality that is that you are either male or female in a biological sense, no matter what you might call yourself. and i think we have to get more honest with people to say that's something you're going to have to face up to in the limited circumstances of healthcare. let's help you deal with it. rather than living in this fantasy that that biological sex doesn't have a matter at all. well, there you go. >> what do you make to it all? i find it absolutely bonkers. your thoughts? get in touch. gb views

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hi there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00. parliamentary sketchwriter at the daily mail. quentin letts is alongside me, as is the author and journalist. ella whelan . i and journalist. ella whelan. i want to try and squeeze in a couple more things that caught my eye today . if you will my eye today. if you will indulge me. we've gone around and around and around in circles about this rwanda plan. i'm pretty damn bored of it, quite frankly. but anyway, you'll never get the latest on this one. today. the home office apparently has lost or they can't locate thousands of the migrants that they said would be potentially earmarked to go to rwanda. the home office have denied that this is actually the case. what do you make to it all? >> they've all gone to dublin as we speak, as we speak, they are whizzing past the border post. >> actually, there isn't a border post anymore at newry,

you know, go heading south and the irish are now absolutely furious and saying there ought to be a hard border there. >> yeah. and actually we need to be able to return them. we covered that on the show. >> i mean, are we surprised that the home office is clueless, i've been in select committees at westminster, where home office have senior senior home office have senior senior home office officials have been on and they've been as useless as as sort of a threadbare deckchairs. >> absolutely pathetic, useless as a threadbare deckchair. that's an insult. if there ever could be one, ella. >> well, we all knew that the rwanda plan was the kind of big flagship, tokenistic sort of symbol. we are doing something but that the real meat of where the focus needs to be in relation to the issue of illegal immigration is just on the basic functionality of the system bonng functionality of the system boring things like paperwork, civil service, being able to work in a timely fashion, be properly adhere to instructions and do the job they were working from home. well, exactly.

actually even be in the office. you know, this doesn't surprise me at all. >> but rwanda, they're all whizzing down to dublin, you see. they're going to get pint of guinness down there. >> well, yeah, but not, if the, guys in, in dublin have their way. of course, we went through this yesterday, didn't we? apparently they want to bring back old story, put some put some stats on this, by the way. so apparently, more than 5007 hundred migrants had been identified for removal. only 2145 of them, were continuing to report into that home office and could be located for detention. apparently, the home office have insisted that the remaining 3557 people, they're not lost, apparently. they're just not sort of subjecting themselves to the required reporting restrictions. i mean, i don't know if they're working from home as well. i don't know about you. >> they're migrating from home. yeah >> indicates to me that you have no clue where on earth they are, quite frankly. anyway, keen viewers of jubes will know that on friday i had an entire

program, didn't i, about the king announcing he would resume his royal duties. it's only right then that i follow that story on and show you actually that's happening because , let's that's happening because, let's see, this is them having their little walkabouts a day at the macmillan cancer centre in london that was there to visit that hospital , to raise that hospital, to raise awareness all about the importance of the early diagnosis and the technology developments, etc. when it comes to fighting cancer , they go, to fighting cancer, they go, shake of the hand there with a patient at that centre. >> quentin, i feel i should be standing up to discuss this bit. >> you can stand up if you want. >> you can stand up if you want. >> i think it's wonderful to see him back. i love the king. and, i think camilla is pretty too. good, and i like the way they always wave. they always look up. up to waves that are waving at the, the russian drone up there , giving them a wave. but there, giving them a wave. but no, i mean, three cheers for the king. >> three cheers for the king. ella, i think anything that draws attention to the work that's done at the macmillan centre and its research is a is a good thing, particularly if celebrities turn up and the

royals are most of the time acting as celebrities these days i >> -- >> so that's to be celebrated. i suppose there will be a sort of an interesting, if not maybe slightly cynical, discussion about cancer treatment and how those of us who are non—royals, get treated under the nhs that we were just discussing and the kings trajectory, which i'm sure a lot of people on cancer waiting lists will be thinking about. but perhaps that's a debate for another day. >> indeed. >> indeed. >> blasted cancer. it's good to see anyone taking on that beast. >> it is actually, it is. lots of people got in touch as well, sending their regards to that to our king when we did that show on friday, lots of you still getting in touch about that fair story, about that sword, man, a couple of you here suggesting actually , that some of those actually, that some of those police officers should be nominated for a medal . given nominated for a medal. given their bravery. i've got to say, i wouldn't disagree with that, lots of you dividing, divided about whether or not the workers party would make a dent when it comes to hitting the labour party. five year olds knows the

difference between biologic sex, says john the viewer. i am fed up with all of this nonsense, says david. and goodness gracious me. surely people now know that a woman is an adult human female . simples, he says. human female. simples, he says. nice note to end the show on, ella, thank you for your company, quentin. for yours too. and of course, to you guys at home, i very much appreciate your company. so thank you. but don't go anywhere because nigel farage is up next. nanites >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> time for your latest weather update from the met office here on gb news. good evening to you. a different day tomorrow in the east. we'll have much more cloud compared to today, whereas in the west it should be a little brighter still. some wet weather around though, across parts of wales and southwest england this evening, affecting the west

midlands too. that showery rain working into southwest scotland at the same time. a few showers coming into eastern england, particularly norfolk, suffolk and up towards lincolnshire. many other areas, though, will be dry. quite a mild night. temperatures in some towns and cities staying in double digits onto wednesday , and a very onto wednesday, and a very different day across the north—east of england and eastern scotland. much more cloud around. there will be some rain at times here as well, particularly across the far north—east through the late morning into the early afternoon. a much brighter day though , for wales and southwest though, for wales and southwest england. we'll see some sunny spells for northern ireland and particularly western scotland. 18 degrees likely here and further south. with a bit of brightness, we might get close to 20 celsius, but in the south late on look at this. some heavy rain working up from france and we could well see some big downpours and some thunderstorm s, downpours and some thunderstorms, particularly through the early hours of thursday morning across southern england. maybe the midlands and parts of south wales. so some rumbles of thunder, some flashes of lightning. they'll be clearing away during thursday morning but still staying cloudy with some showers in the south

on thursday. many places elsewhere seeing some good spells of sunshine but cool and cloudy on some of these north sea coasts. but in the sunshine 20 degrees possible in western scotland . scotland. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers. sponsors of weather on gb news as

well -- well . well. >> good evening and welcome to farage. my name is tom harwood, and i'm standing in for nigel. this evening. first tonight, the very latest on the horrific stabbing in north—east london. 114 year old boy is dead. four others remain in hospital. this shocking footage was released in the last hour, showing the moment the assailant was apprehended. we'll have the very

latest and a new constitution for the nhs this time emphasising the importance of biological sex in the organisation. what will this mean for patient care when the services themselves are already stretched? we'll have that discussion and the national crime agency has issued a warning to britain's children. all teachers will be taught about the threat of sextortion to pupils across the country. this after the tragic suicide of a scottish teenager. all that to come on the programme today. but first, your news with ray addison. >> thanks, tom, and good evening. our top stories tonight video has emerged showing the moment that police arrested a man wielding a sword in north—east london. officers cornered him at a property, bringing the suspect to the

ground with three separate taser discharges.