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for headliners. >> thanks, ray. hello and welcome to headliners. i'm nick dixon, taking you through tomorrow's top stories for the next hour. >> and i'm joined by resident scientist steve n allen . scientist steve n allen. >> there he is. and resident science denier lewis n schaefer. how are you both doing? >> well, he's facing away from me, in case you catch the science, isn't it? >> no. i'm going to win. i'm going to win because we all know that the science is completely alive. >> you don't even need to know which science. you're just like the science is wrong. >> you know, whenever they say the science, it's wrong. >> what about a science ? >> what about a science? >> what about a science? >> good point. a science can be right, but there's no it's not the science. he used the words the science. he used the words the science. he used the words the science too. >> and that's the kind of robust debate you can expect on tonight's show. >> but let's have a quick look at the front pages. >> so the daily mail has data . >> so the daily mail has data. rwanda became a reality. >> the telegraph ireland sends police to border in migrant row. >> the times labour plan for channel migrants to get asylum. the express heartbroken family paid tribute to wonderful child.

the i uk rwanda plan could be delayed as civil servant sue government and finally the daily star. we're going to need a bigger lilo , which is about bigger lilo, which is about a shark terrorising sussex. and those were the front pages . so those were the front pages. so what the daily mail going with louis daily mail has has this the story , which is a true the story, which is a true scarlet daniel 14, killed in sword attack, was teacher's son and he was killed at at 14. i don't know whether this is a picture of the kid at 14. looks like a lovely kid, but he's he's he's dead. and there's people are so happy that it was a white guy that that was, spanish, brazilian national, wasn't it? yeah, i know what you mean. on online, there's been some unfortunate, very tasteless sort of debate about with different political sides trying to score points off the who the perpetrator was. yeah all right. daniel. andrew. yeah. tragic story. and we got the rwanda as

well. yeah. day that rwanda became reality . this is this is became reality. this is this is what we've been. i don't know, waiting for. i haven't been waiting for. i haven't been waiting for. i haven't been waiting for because i didn't think it was going to happen. and it probably isn't going to happen. what it is, is that it got passed in, in the house of lords and so that they, they're going to be starting to send people to rwanda, but they're going to give them £3,000 and they're not going to say , they they're not going to say, they might say, please don't come back, but the people are going to come back anyway. and it's and at the same time , it's being and at the same time, it's being fought by people at the, in civil servants are fighting it. yeah. steve, what do you think? i'm a little bit suspicious . i'm a little bit suspicious. we've got 800 officers launching operation vector , and my thing operation vector, and my thing is, it's funny how you can suddenly get things done when elections are coming up. mind you, it's not been the most efficient process. so maybe i'm wrong. what do you think? >> yeah, i think this is going to be my theme for the evening, which will make me even more hated. now, this is not that story, they're making this as rwanda becoming a reality. well

this is just that these raids that could have happened three weeks ago, but wouldn't have then definitely ended up in a rwanda outcome should have been happening anyway. >> so on that i agree it's the timing. feels like they left it until the bill was passed so that they could say these raids. are the rwanda plan working? no, these raids should be happening anyway. so and the point about the civil service, sorry to, you know, diddle on someone's chips again here. this is about the civil servants wanting to try and get, the clarification on their role. their role is that they're the rules that they work by, is that they have to stick to international law. they want the government to clarify that they won't be held responsible for breaking it. so it's not that they're launching a legal bid to stop the flights taking off. they're wanting legal clarification. they're covering their own backsides, which i think i'd do as well if someone said, could you be in charge of this? i'd be like, yeah, brilliant. you definitely get sued for it, though. not me. that's what they're doing. >> oh that's rubbish, that's rubbish, steve, because at the end of the day, these people know what they're doing. they're civil servants and they've been told what they've been told what told what they've been told what to do. and so they're not going

to do. and so they're not going to be held responsible. what was the last time you heard of a civil servant there? >> guideline says that if someone asks them to do something that breaks international law, they should not do it. so they're wanting clarification on actually doing it. how else should they proceed? >> yeah, maybe you're right back down very, very quickly there. but i do like steve's attempt. remember we go out at 5 am. so diddle on someone's chips was a wonderful way of getting around that. all right. what about the times then, steve? >> they have labour plan for channel migrants to get asylum. nah, it's not really what this is. is saying that if you make your way to the uk through illegal means, they will consider asylum cases. this was the status quo before. anyway, and this this is fine. wherever you don't have another option, it's always been that weird situation where as a nation, we have a requirement to offer some sort of asylum, and quite often people are really anti—migration . ian can often go along with the argument that, you know what, there are some cases where we should step in. people would not argue about ukraine and afghanistan. those are some of the few places where there's a

legal route. without that, how do you manage to get to the uk? will you break the law? and then if the rule is, well, that's it, you broke the law, now you can't actually have an asylum claim. what you need is an asylum system that filters out more hos. >> nos. >> so do you think valid cases and do you think this is the times just trying to sabotage? keir starmer. well it's the times spin on it. >> yeah. the headline very much makes it look like they'll just be letting you come across the channel and they'll be dishing out all the asylum applications. now, this was the way it always was until we changed it recently. >> so why did it say they vowed to overturn the government's hardline asylum ban then? >> yeah, they've only just recently brought in this. >> so you're talking about the one in in july last year, the illegal migration. yeah. but the problem is what what do you make of the times's claim then, that about presently about 90,000 expected to rise to 115,000 by the end of the year. these people who are still in the system will be entitled to claim asylum if labour wins, which would effectively increase the asylum backlog seven fold overnight. yeah, well, that's unfortunately what happens. >> the backlog has been building

up since the change of the law. you've got people who now have just been automatically not allowed to apply. well, they can't apply . allowed to apply. well, they can't apply. so if then you remove that restriction, suddenly all of these people who've been waiting will be allowed to. that backlog is already there is what i'm saying, i suppose. >> but they do have a different line on the boats in general, don't they? and they've been grilled on it, you know. where are they going to stay? neil coyle mp couldn't answer where the asylum seekers would stay. i mean, do labour have a realistic plan to tackle it? >> no one has a realistic plan because no politicians are willing to actually say the things that upset their base in either direction. both sides are guilty of this. the conservatives should just be a bit honest about the fact that, no, we've been fiddling the numbers because we actually like what it does to gdp. we like to boast about the economy. so we've been deliberately failing on the asylum side of things, on the migration side of things, and then blaming it on lefty, whatever you want to say, lawyer doctors probably, or whatever. whereas labour make it look like, oh no, we're not going to bnngin like, oh no, we're not going to bring in any restrictions. you'll have to if you want to win elections. >> well, don't. oh i don't believe that. i don't believe that because i think the people that because i think the people that are coming in are left leaning people who would vote

laboun leaning people who would vote labour. so i don't think they've got any intention of trying to stop this from happening. okay. they're like, gb news. viewers who we learned the other day mainly prefer keir starmer, who knew? so you're home? yeah. yeah. let's do the telegraph then. and people said the rwanda scheme wouldn't work and hardly any migrants would actually leave. but that's not true. we've sent loads over to ireland already. lewis yes. and this is what, rishi sunak was saying talking to the irish ministers. he was saying, he was saying don't send the send police to the irish border to stop migrants, sunak tells dublin and because people people are coming in through england into ireland, because the irish people are a lot nicer to them, generally speaking, than the english people have been. and so he's saying don't, don't stop it. >> like two weeks ago you would have been sat there saying, the problem is england. the uk is too nice to people who come over here. we dish out all these benefits left, right. that's the normal moan. and now the moan is the ireland's too nice and we're

not nice enough. i i, i'm not. this is me third one. yeah. it's not the story i think there's something very suspicious about suddenly saying all of these , suddenly saying all of these, migrants are making their way from the uk to ireland because of the passing of the rwanda bill. i think this was happening anyway, and this is a really good opportunity to blame it on the bill, try and make it seem like the uk should receive people back. this has given us a lot of empathy for the french. yeah, response to what are you going to do about getting people back? >> yeah, you say blame it on the bill. it's the opposite. take credit for the for it is what you mean with the with sunak. he's taking credit saying it's brilliant. >> we're getting released people to ireland but he's falling for it because i think a lot of these, the numbers that they're looking at, which even in the article there's a lovely article where they say around 90% of migrants claiming asylum in ireland are coming from the uk , ireland are coming from the uk, but that is not a statistically accurate 90. then don't use numbers if what you've got is a guess. that's what you mean there? yeah. >> the uk prime minister's spokesman said that the government does not recognise the figure. that's how i feel when i see myself on tv. i'm like, i'm much better looking than that. all right, let's end with the daily star then. steve we're going to need a bigger

lilo, a great white shark is feared to be patrolling off the coast of sussex, but it could also be that kid from jaws with also be that kid from jaws with a fin strapped to its back, says the daily star. >> nah, i'm actually, i don't. i can't disprove this one. there might be a great white shark out there, there . let's hope there's there, there. let's hope there's not. i mean, i ain't going swimming either way, so i'm fine. >> no, i'll never go into sea. but they are around a lot more, aren't they? sharks? now, have you noticed that we seem to get big sharks hovering around this once very moderate island? >> is it climate change, louis, no . 110. >> no. >> there's always been sharks. and we don't know that it's a white shark. and there are tons of there are tons of sharks. there's some of the nicest, from what i can tell . there's, like, what i can tell. there's, like, really nice sharks going on. >> there were nice sharks on both sides. >> they're just. i hate to say i hate to use that word. i think it's a lie, i think. what shark? yes, yes. sharks are lie. yes. this is the latest conspiracy theory from louis. >> even i don't know this one. >> even i don't know this one. >> water dehydration. i know that shark . oh, that's a white that shark. oh, that's a white shark. that's a white shark. it could be one of those basking sharks, right, i think. oh, nice ones. and great white shark. >> how great. we don't even know it. maybe it's actually it's

misanthrope. >> maybe it's feeling bad about itself and its lowest right now. and i think it could do so. it just wants to be left alone. shark empathy here on gb news thatis shark empathy here on gb news that is the front page is done. but coming up, dad's army becomes real deadly e—bikes and

soon. welcome back to headliners i'm nick dixon, still here with steve allen and louis unemployed

soon. schaefer i just i ripped that one out. he's fine. he's staying. don't worry. let's do the times with a tragic story that shows us how urgently we need to solve this small boats problem. steve. >> exactly. yeah. the sea was the only choice i had, says father of girl who died in channel. you're right. a reminder that the people traffickers are the worst type of criminals. not only because we know the rules and the laws that they're breaking, but they're allow situations like this to happen. when this dinghy was so crammed full of people that it led to to the several deaths, including this, this quy's deaths, including this, this guy's daughter. and it's so sad. and he says, i couldn't protect her. i'll never forgive myself. totally understandable emotional response . and this is a response. and this is a difficult situation. it's when a family goes through a tragedy, you feel like you don't want to knit , pick you feel like you don't want to knit, pick some of the details. but he said it was their only opfion but he said it was their only option and i feel incredibly sad about the fact that if you read through the details, his wife was born in belgium, so surely not all of that family had to travel by dinghy. even if you somehow take the argument, travel by dinghy. even if you somehow take the argument , the somehow take the argument, the only place they could go to have

a life is the uk. only place they could go to have a life is the uk . the wife and a life is the uk. the wife and the kids could have flown and it would have avoided this death. and maybe that's a terrible take on it, but it looks like it's true. and i understand why he'd be saying i had no choice during this situation, but it it feels like you did you are you saying it's true? >> are you saying it's true? steve because you can't just get on an aeroplane and fly to england just because you know, you're you're from belgium or something. so i don't think that that's that's that's true. he had to get on the boat. i take i see what the guy is saying. the guy the guy saying he didn't want to lose his kid, but his other kid, he survived and his other kid, he survived and his other two kids survived . yeah. other two kids survived. yeah. it's very brutal, isn't it? i mean, maybe, yeah, he took the risk , obviously. i mean, belgium risk, obviously. i mean, belgium denied him asylum because basra was deemed a safe area. so he he couldn't get asylum . but then is couldn't get asylum. but then is it it's not right to just say, well, i'll just try and get into england this is why we need a deterrent to stop these tragedies happening. i mean, he said there was no chance of any, any sort of life or his kids going to school if he didn't do

this. so he just had to risk everything. but people don't seem to really believe that from what i've seen. >> and there are the two counters to that would be the lefty side of it. if we had an a way of applying a legal route, that means you didn't have to try and make it across the busiest waterway. there's that argument, but there's also the right wing argument. if you were in france, so you had the ability to be in a safe country without risking the water. but again , it feels horrible in the again, it feels horrible in the stomach to say something that feels like you're laying blame in the direction of someone who's going through the worst thing anyone can go through. >> well, we don't know that. i mean, this this guy, he he was raised he was living in basra and he and his daughter was living entirely in, in, in belgium. so he wasn't he might not have been that close to his, his daughter. i'm sounding a bit unsympathetic to the guy, i think at the, at the end of the day, when you take people from other countries, you prevent them from becoming the country that they could could have

become . yeah. and they might become. yeah. and they might have been in sweden, but born in belgium, they're in sweden anyway. it's not clear. he seemed to move around a bit. all right. well it's a very, very grim story. let's do the male and female presenters are complaining that the bbc breaks you.the complaining that the bbc breaks you. the one was paid 139 k. i mean, i'd consider being slightly broken for that, louis, i know you're a big fan of the bbc. yes not enough money for me. the bbc grinds you down. it breaks you . for female news breaks you. for female news presenters suing the corporation after missing out on top roles and taken off air, telling employment tribunal that the selection process is rigged . and selection process is rigged. and so these are four women between the ages of 48 and 50. i don't know who they are really. martine croxall , karen croxall martine croxall, karen croxall yeah. craig snell gianoni , kasia yeah. craig snell gianoni, kasia madera . anita macveigh need your madera. anita macveigh need your reading glasses. lewis. yeah no, i can read it. some of them are right. some of those were. yeah, some of those or whatever. and they're saying they, you know, they're saying they, you know, they were basically kicked out of their jobs and forced to, to employ. and now it's going to they're going to an employment

tribunal. but you know, when these people were given jobs and they're saying it was horrible for the bbc to do this, but when these women were given jobs 20 and 30 years ago, there was some guy like you, possibly me, who says, we don't need this guy anymore. we can get a woman for work for less money. and i don't think that they complained about it. well, i'm a little sceptical, steve, just because i'm less sceptical about the age aspect. but the sex aspect , i aspect. but the sex aspect, i mean, the bbc's journalist training scheme has just been shown to be hiring seven women for every out of every ten people, meaning hardly any men and a tiny percentage . 1 in and a tiny percentage. 1 in 3 were white britons. so it's been shown to be very biased towards women and towards non—white people. >> could i just join in on that point? my favourite thing about that article about the training course and where it's staffed ? course and where it's staffed? when they were asked if there are any white men there, the response was we don't have that information relevant. it just check your paperwork. you know how many white people are there? you know how many women are there, do the maths . there, do the maths. >> you do the math. yeah. so i find it very hard to believe that the bbc, uniquely , you that the bbc, uniquely, you know, discriminates against women. there is this thing about

pay women. there is this thing about pay and it has been shown, i think women are less likely to negotiate for higher pay because it's a very sort of tough business. they're too nice basically. i mean, i'm too nice. yeah. why am i so low? but i mean, there are some cases, like if you remember the asda one where the women who were working on the cashiers wanted to be paid the same as the people in the warehouses. >> and i think you could make a solid argument about, you know, if you had to choose on a cold day which job you wanted, you didn't want to be out in the cold warehouse. so it would be right for one to be paid more than other legally. i'm wrong in that the court found that they should be paid the same. but if you are a newsreader and you think you should be paid the same as someone else doing it, have your tribunal. fair enough. have a crack at it. have a swing at it. i do think the bbc is doing something terrible by. this is when they merged bbc news and bbc world news, whatever that channel was called, they merged them to the one channel, so they had to lose some people. but my word, they've lost some good newsreaders. martin's a really good newsreader . and have you good newsreader. and have you seen some of the newsreaders on the weekends? i mean, i know you need to train new talent, but some of them could barely read. it's difficult to watch. it makes you turn off. obviously. i know you turn off for other

reasons. so there's something going on with the age side of it because they've employed a lot younger readers, but their readers, i mean, i mean, you should be you should be able to read. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> i mean, so this is i mean, do you want to take another swing at the names again? >> sorry. well, they're like weirdly, but we do a lot more. we've got to be funny and suddenly learn 20 new stories. we now have no training for this. i'm coming up with funny jokes. i'm writing my own jokes. they're just reading. reading. and they're getting paid 139 k to read. is that what they said? they were being paid one of them. yeah i didn't read there, martine croxall said. she revealed she she was paid 139,000. it doesn't say like dunng 139,000. it doesn't say like during what period it could be the entire 20 years. i think it's probably presumably a year or was it as a payout? i think it was a year. what's strange to me is they've sort of been loitering while still presumably being paid. i could be completely wrong on that. but she's been sort of she's been sort of not on the telly for a yean sort of not on the telly for a year, but still discussing things with the bbc. how does it work, steve? you've worked there before you were cancelled. how doesit before you were cancelled. how does it work? you're just allowed to sort of be on the payroll for ages while you're not on the telly. >> it's very difficult to get sacked from the bbc. i know

people have. there are some amazing stories of what people have done and they're just unsackable. and if you try, if the bbc tries to get rid of someone, they just call a union and they go in and say, this person needs more training, they blame the bbc for the actions of the staff. >> yeah, i sympathise to an extent if they've been mistreated and i wasn't there and i'm showbiz, you know, mead is a tough business. but that's the thing. bbc is a job for life type of approach. you can't have a job for life in this business. i mean, i sort of work on the assumption we can go any day. i mean, should you really expect to have a it's not even a business. the bbc takes 160 something pounds a year from from everybody, whether they like it or not. so it's not a business. it's, it's a, it's what do they call that, a money laundering. it's a campaign . laundering. it's a campaign. >> i mean you're right. the licence fee needs changing. it's a ridiculous way of doing it. i don't think it makes it a ponzi scheme or other insults, but yeah, the way it's funded is wrong. >> and then it goes. it's being going to the employment tribunal, which is such a british idea . the idea is every british idea. the idea is every single time someone's fired, it's got to go to an employment tribunal, and it means that it can be. tribunal, and it means that it can be it tribunal, and it means that it can be. it could be called back.

wow. an american accusing us of being too legalistic. we've truly hit rock bottom. all right, let's do the i and who do you think you are kidding, mr putin, if you think you can beat our new volunteer army. steve. yeah. >> uk senior ex—military figures back plan for new voluntary army in case of war. and they make a lot of sense because we're going to need some numbers. and the idea is to have what they call the mass citizen army, which feels like where there's blame, there's a claim. like if you get all of these people volunteering, someone trips over and we're going to be paying a lot of money. they're si king 200,000. and the idea is to try and get veterans , people who are and get veterans, people who are already trained up, basically. and that makes a lot of sense . and that makes a lot of sense. but the army is losing people every single year. just people not wanting to join. it's not losing through the normal army way of doing things. >> wonder why they've been so welcoming. when the raf said useless white males and all that. anyway, sorry. >> carry on. the bbc. >> carry on. the bbc. >> just inserting my own agenda there. go on. yeah. >> so i mean, it's a plan that makes some sense. i mean, i hear what you say. there's something

embarrassing. if your army is staffed through volunteers who used to do it and, you know, now they're back in it, it's like like doctors keeping their hand in doing one day a week, i suppose. but it's better than nothing. and they say that if we suddenly have an extra 200,000 soldiers, effectively, that putin would have to pay attention. >> yeah , a little bit sceptical. >> yeah, a little bit sceptical. sorry, liz, i'm just a bit sceptical. putin is looking at us and he's not deterred if he sees there are 200,000 reservists being stood up, he'll think again, will he? if they're all like 70. this has nothing to do with putin. this has to do with the people living in this country. and what this guy is saying with these leaders is lord dannatt or whoever the other people are. they're saying they're saying there's hundreds of thousands of ex—soldiers who are our kind of people and they're going to be fighting the people who aren't our kind of people who aren't our kind of people . and that's what this is people. and that's what this is all about. this is about getting people who are proper english people who are proper english people to fight for england or britain, whatever this country wants to call itself. britain it's for fighting for the for the true country . but is the

the true country. but is the problem i mean just quickly on that they had there was this thing that came out that was given to sort of top army brass, as they say, and it was this warning indicators of far right extremist views . and one of them extremist views. and one of them was patriotism. i mean, i haven't the army caused this party themselves with this bizarre sort of wokeism that's infected the whole thing . i'm infected the whole thing. i'm not sure they've caused it. i think the people, the people in the government, whatever, have caused it. but i think that they these are this is the guy probably he's in his 60s. these these people. and they're not these people. and they're not the ones who are setting these kind of crazy, crazy rules. okay. fair enough. well, let's do the telegraph then. and when i first heard the phrase e—bikes, i thought it was just an old man from yorkshire complaining about bikes. but it's something far more sinister. louis e—bikes and, 40, 40 mile per hour right in myself. where's my 139 k's? very funny. martin, you're going to be fired when they replace you with some with some cheap woman, the, the 40 mile per hour death trap, quote unquote, death trap, e—bikes wrecking havoc or

wreaking, wreaking, wreaking havoc, havoc on britain's streets . and this is this is streets. and this is this is a complaint that was made by the motorcycle industry association, who are like bmw and honda and yamaha. and they're saying that the motorbike shapps go a bit too fast and people aren't trained and they're not buying insurance and they're making it harder for us who've got the really nice bikes to , to, to use really nice bikes to, to, to use them. okay, this , you know, them. okay, this, you know, actually, i'm torn on this. i started reading this going, yeah, it's ridiculous. all these e—bikes, they are going fast. part of my brain was just doing my e—scooter response because they wind me up more. but actually the argument they're getting more people biking in, it's healthy. the e—bikes doing a lot of the work. that's like going to the gym and asking a big lag to lift something for you because you want to put your back out. are you really getting that much health benefit from being on an e—bike? but legally, they're capped at 15 miles an hour and i cycle i and i there's where i live, there's one of those little speed traps, and one of my favourite things to do is make it flash red. you just go through there at 21 miles an houn go through there at 21 miles an hour. so actually 15 miles an

hour. so actually 15 miles an houris hour. so actually 15 miles an hour is a bit slow for a bike. when you can do it, you know, some manly thighs can get you 21 miles. >> i believe that's one of your favourite things to do. but fill it in. it's not. they're not going 15 miles an hour. they're going 15 miles an hour. they're going much faster because they've been they've been improved or whatever they've been done to them and they've been done to them and they've been and they're not being checked. well, i have to say, i felt personally attacked. it said, these illegal e—bikes, are they designed to be able to stop quickly at high speeds with a person weighing 13 stone? i was like, how dare you? although i've lost £2.8 today, so i'm down to 12, 11.8. >> you could stop quicker. >> you could stop quicker. >> the nation didn't need to know that. that is it for part two. but coming up, why slavery didn't make britain rich. why you should let go of your anger, louis, and why ofcom is

welcome back to headliners. let's crack on with the telegraph. and apparently, slavery didn't even make britain rich . i'm starting to slavery didn't even make britain rich. i'm starting to think slavery didn't even make britain rich . i'm starting to think the rich. i'm starting to think the whole thing wasn't worth it. steve. >> i knew we'd convince you eventually, yeah. slavery did not make britain rich finds

report. there's a new book that reveals that colonialism delivered only modest gains. and if you do the maths, there are some gains. but all the military extra that you have to spend for going around doing all the slavery costs. so they've said actually it didn't make the nafion actually it didn't make the nation rich because there's a lot of outgoings associated with running a slave trade, and you could also add in the end of the slave trade to add some maths into it. but i'm not sure that's exactly what reparations are based on the prospering ness of the doers. it's also the impact of the nations. this same report says there is a cost to the people who were taken from countries. and i suppose if you view it this way, you know , if view it this way, you know, if you get mugged and you want your wallet back and the police say , wallet back and the police say, yeah, but you had to get an uber to come and mug you, you wouldn't care about the costs that the perpetrator did in this , but what i think is the best finding out of this, it made some families rich. we've had some families rich. we've had some cases of some families giving money. reparations should come from the rich families, not the rest of the nation. get the rich posh people playing paying if it's going to happen, not the

people from working class backgrounds who slightly socially climbed. i'm on board all of a sudden. >> but you know what? that's like 200 years ago. so you're asking the descendants of people from 200 years, and there's no more. there's no money from those trevelyans did it. >> they still had the dosh. >> they still had the dosh. >> here's the thing. this is he. you know what? i hate to say it. you're basically right. because the danes didn't have any slaves, and they're very rich. and the norwegians didn't have any slaves , and they're rich. any slaves, and they're rich. and i don't think the, the germans did. the germans have any slaves? don't think that they did. so they probably i mean, the belgian, one of the worst ones he cites is the belgians rule over the congo. so let's not let the belgium, belgium. but they weren't slaves in in belgium, i don't think, i think they were just oppressed people. well, it was colonialism. that's what we're talking about . it's about talking about. it's about colonialism. so this is kristian niemietz. we should shout him out because he follows me on twitter and i follow him. so he's he's an interesting guy and he's he's an interesting guy and he has this new book, imperial measurement. and he's just going through this, overturning some myths. i think we should do that because although it turns out, you know, we didn't get rich of it. and as you say, it turns out

it. and as you say, it turns out it wasn't good for the people, which we might imagine we do need to get rid of the idea that we're just uniquely evil and that, you know, it was i mean, that's one thing that's maybe that's one thing that's maybe that's not relevant to this book, but the idea we got rich off it, probably most kids think that in school that we just really it was just bad all around for everyone. and it was going on a lot and we ended it as well. we never hear about that. that worries me a bit because kids in school, there was a piece by michael deacon in the telegraph, a group of 13 year olds were asked, you know, do you hate britain? all the hands went up immediately. i mean, we could teach a different history, even if it's this, even if it's okay. we didn't get rich. it was bad for the people and nuanced history, but we need and nuanced history, but we need a more nuanced, accurate history. and even if we did get rich. so what? so what? the hell with these people . let them. let with these people. let them. let them get. and you know what? you go to. you go to , go to nigeria go to. you go to, go to nigeria or ghana or whatever. half the people were stealing the other half of the people and putting them on boats. we didn't go in. we didn't go into africa and enslave anybody. we were we were given we and not me, but we, we, the british people were given these people, so they should

just take it. they should just take it. not that they're going to take it easy, but this is where we're hating each other too much . too much. >> no, it's a sudden redemptive message at the end. there you went, all hippie in the middle of that sentence. >> okay, let's end on that upbeat moment. let's do the telegraph. and have you considered letting go of your angen considered letting go of your anger, louis? and then we'll get on to the actual story. yeah. why let it go. i have thought about it. why let it go? of angeris about it. why let it go? of anger is good for your health, and it is good for your health. and this is what this is like an odd story, which with columbia universal, the irving medical centre, that's down where i used to live down on between 13th and 14th streets on avenue b. yeah, we need to get the exact street names, please. yeah. 221 avenue b, right . i names, please. yeah. 221 avenue b, right. i lived names, please. yeah. 221 avenue b, right . i lived there for b, right. i lived there for middle england between night. you know what is that? it's probably. i haven't been there. well i was there a few not moved. no, it's still there. >> i respect you've continued this riff though. >> and you've, you've kept going with this joke which is just listing american street names that no one cares about. well, do you want to know something? yes, yes, i think because people want to hear it because there's some people watching it and they're saying, oh my god, i'm

on avenue b right now. i'm i'm in 221. >> this story is about anger and you're making it happen. you're making you're making us angry. >> and i've got very i've got i've got a i'm a very angry person. yes my, my blood pressure is like 200 over 120, 48 beats per minute . i've got 48 beats per minute. i've got very high blood pressure. but they're saying that people who don't get worked up are happier. very well. yeah. they're saying that even remembering past experience is can mess with your blood vessels and make you all make you die earlier, steve or something. >> yeah, basically. and they don't know the, the link between probably adrenaline and cortisol. the two hormones that increase when you have these experiences. but if you cling on to anger, you get more of those hormones. they don't know how. but then that impacts your blood vessels and you're going to die. and they say by studying this, they might be able to find some sort of a treatment. and i say, no, if you can't rein your anger in die young. that's what you should do. i get a little bit annoyed by people who act like they're the victim of their own temper. angry people. oh, what am i meant to do ? be in charge am i meant to do? be in charge of your own emotions. don't be so weak as to i say this as

someone who is very angry in his 20s, and now i'm like the most zen person i know. so i do think if you don't have the ability to rein in your emotions, stay in. because if you can't drive, we don't let you put behind the wheel. if you can't rein in your angen wheel. if you can't rein in your anger, how bad? >> how bad is it that somebody says, hey, calm down, take it easy. what's wrong with that? well, that don young and also angry people, they're the ones that do all the violent crimes . that do all the violent crimes. >> chill out. >> chill out. >> a lot of them aren't angry. a lot of them. this is their this is their job that they're doing. you see fair though, steve, the world is very annoying and people are awful. so just i do i do understand in the same world. >> and somehow i've realised that the angry response is childish. oh, i got so upset. it'll be a grown up. yeah, but you're a kind of sciencey, you know, robot person. >> so i had a dissociative moment. >> yeah. thank you. >> yeah. thank you. >> anyway, so maybe somebody's getting angry now. maybe somebody needs to be told, hey, you know, getting angry is going to cause a heart attack or a stroke, so don't do it. yeah. it's good. it's a good disincentive. let's do the independent. an ofcom is investigating onlyfans. and to me, ofcom regulations, one of you will have to be pro ofcom and the other pro—porn. which do you want steve? >> well let's find out. onlyfans

investigated by uk regulator ofcom over fears that bbc newsreaders could access porn. young people could access pornography. that was a different news story, wait until you hear about the rest of the internet, because if you don't find it on onlyfans, literally like one click away on many search engine. so ofcom, our biggest fans, well, search engine. so ofcom, our biggest fans, well , they watch biggest fans, well, they watch a lot anyway. they're looking into this. it's a bit it's another one of those stories that is upsetting. what only fans failed to do is have a proper system that checks the age of the people signing up, and they were earning on the other side. they'd set a limit of 20 year olds, and it was only letting people join. if they were 23 or above. then they're investigating to see if this error meant more. but, you know, the headline makes it look like they're letting two year olds join and they weren't. you need a credit card to join . so a credit card to join. so there's still was a restriction in place. but still, we like headunes in place. but still, we like headlines that make people look like they're wrong. >> and what the question is, what what is ofcom doing and which stands for office of censorship of media. what are they doing involved in this?

this is like an independent thing. how could they be involved with onlyfans? >> you think 11 year olds should be able to join onlyfans? >> no, i think i think it's a valid point. louis, which is porn, is very damaging for teenagers and so on, definitely. but also ofcom expanding its remit more and more. is that also pretty damaging? you know , also pretty damaging? you know, there used to be tv, now it's there used to be tv, now it's the internet. where does it end? it's i agree with that. it's like, would they just stop it? the guy who's in control of this is what is a grade one? i'm one of the grades. and his uncle was the guy who paid for having the prisoner made. >> do you know i agree with you now it's just disgraceful. >> any idea what he's talking about, steve? >> so, michael grade and lew grade are the two grades are talking about. yeah. and the prisoner was a tv series in the 60s by lew grade and michael grade is the guy who's head of this thing. >> and i guess he's he's in his 80s and he wants to keep busy. and so he's like , he's having and so he's like, he's having his people do things. no idea what that was. all right. well, let's move on to i want to say i

love ofcom, but, you know, go easy on jacob. let's see the times. and women make absolutely brilliant footballers. it's set when they're on their period. not my words. blame the scientist louis. it's pure science. it's the it is the science. it's the it is the science. a female football is six times likelier to get injured before a period , and the injured before a period, and the penod injured before a period, and the period is, you know, the bloody thing down there. i think the viewers probably know. i think they do know. and i don't know that much about it. i'm finding out more and more about it when i get older . out more and more about it when i get older. i'm a bit too. i never paid attention to it when i was younger, and i don't want to pay attention to it now, but i'm constantly told by that, by some woman that her period and everything but it says basically that women, women get periods and then they get injured during the periods. and if they didn't get periods, they'd be a lot healthier. >> word for word . >> word for word. >> word for word. >> so yeah, well, that's what the science says. it's the science that's your business. it's not. yeah. okay. so they get injured more the far more likely to get injured during this premenstrual phase. and of course they presumably synchronise the whole team together. so if you get them on that one week, you'll just destroy them. ten nil. yeah.

right >> so sadly, not sadly, that seems harsh. this looks like you imagine injured by just going in for a tackle. that's what's what's happened . the hormones what's happened. the hormones have taken over. it's more likely to get muscular strain. so actually , that makes some so actually, that makes some kind of physical sense. you imagine, you know, you might be less supple during a certain time because i imagined it would be.the time because i imagined it would be. the hormones kick in. they see the ball as an egg and just want it. that's not what happens. >> no. do they get, sent off more during this period for arguing with the ref? >> and then to do shoplifting and things like that? that's also what they do? no, i think this looks bad for vigorous sex because this is on your way into getting pregnant and you're more likely to put, you know, the time when you could conceive . time when you could conceive. you're more likely to pull a muscle. that's a shame. >> okay , well, if they were if >> okay, well, if they were if they were really good athletes, they were really good athletes, they wouldn't even have a period . they would, they would. >> whatever it is you're thinking of, men . thinking of, men. >> no, i'm thinking women. when women exert themselves , they women exert themselves, they don't have periods. and what was the end of that sentence? we have to move on. but i also want to know. i'm just i just said it. maybe. maybe it's okay. the nafion it. maybe. maybe it's okay. the nation will get it home. i wasn't listening, but do you know what you can tell? this is

the women's game. maybe i'll get in trouble for this, but because it says they're concerned about the pain and suffering of the players, if it's a men's game, they'll just be like, this is going to stop us winning the league. that's all they care about, right? yeah, i don't know. that's a weird kind of men's rights point at the end. all right. let's see the telegraph with a story about a school that the soviet union could only dream of. steve. >> yeah, a private school had parents investigated by social services in row over trans daughter. that is what your money is paying for, this is, charles says that charles mother says that george watson's college in edinburgh. remember, we're talking scottish rules then, aren't we? up there? would rather defer to controversial lgbt charity than listen to clinical advice. what happened was they had a child who was questioning and they wanted what's the phrase, watchful waiting? this is the approach where you wait and you watch, you observe and you don't do any action. and this is effectively in line with the results of the cas report. the being cautious about it. so this is before that. >> oh, that's what it sounds like steve, let me finish this. >> let me finish the thing. then the school was like, no, we're going to affirm whichever gender they want to go for , and this is they want to go for, and this is you like this part of the story.

they're called in social services. the social services intervened, interviewed the parents, totally agreed with the parents. >> yeah, but it was absolutely disgusting that the school is calling social services on parents because they're worried about their child becoming trans. i mean, how this just dystopian soviet, as i said, sickening. what do you think, lewis? i agree, i agree with that. it's but that's what's happening right now is all of the, all of the, the strong, wonderful things that make this country good are being under attack . yeah, right. well, the attack. yeah, right. well, the neoliberal state wants to own your children instead of the family. sorry, lewis, we got to go. i want to do a more on that story, but that is it for part three. but coming up in the

welcome back to headliners. now, this is the light hearted section of the show where we do funny stories. so let's look at this times article about local government debt. lewis. well, it is funny because i'm a warning

of more council bankruptcies as debt doubles. this is what's going on in councils because the councils borrowed a lot of money. they basically the governments i guess, stopped giving them money. i don't know what the hell happened. they just they like my, my borough which is southwark because i'm in nunhead and this is what's happenedis in nunhead and this is what's happened is that they've run out of money because the interest rates have gone up and up and up.and rates have gone up and up and up. and 15, that the amount of money that each borough is spending on the debt for, for their like little area is 15. and it used to be 9. and the council, the councils average net worth is down $80 billion. >> so these we should convert that into pounds for a start, pounds sterling pounds pounds okay. >> and so there's nothing there's nothing came out there okay. lewis is devastated by the

debt of these councils. i mean steve here's an idea for you, aries should be privately run councils privately run. right. lewisham sponsored by sony because they're doing such a bad job. let's make it private. that's what's happening now. nice talks. but i asked steve. he's back. go on then. no you go steve. no, no , you know that steve. no, no, you know that thatis steve. no, no, you know that that is what's happening. like instead of like they want to put one of the tallest buildings, i think in southwark and not in southwark, in london, in southwark. and that's what they're doing. they're building tall and taller buildings. who's benefiting from that? the council is either benefiting from it or and the people who are putting the buildings up. >> i have a bit of sympathy for councils though, because what also happens is the government gets to decide who does what, keeps moving things in the direction of the council has to do it and then stops giving them money. so of course it's going to happen. it's also true that councils aren't allowed to be in debt. they have to declare bankruptcy, whereas governments don't. otherwise the shame that every i think it was like 1695, the last time that the uk wasn't in debt. so there's a bit of

hypocrisy there. but i don't like the idea of our council tax going to pay interest. you should be paying for the services you get, okay, let's do the times with a vaccine story, which i know is strategically not gone to lewis. >> steve. >> steve. >> yep. fierce immune response from vaccine. and i'll tell you why i'm doing quote marks in a bit offer hope for glioblastoma. so we're talking about a brain cancen so we're talking about a brain cancer. and this is just last week. there was the story of a vaccine for skin cancer . they vaccine for skin cancer. they work by the same things. you take a bit of rna from the cancer. take a bit of rna from the cancer . you then train the cancer. you then train the immune response of the body to attack that protein, that rna . attack that protein, that rna. and then you kill the cancer. it's working. it's working in other animals now. it's working in humans as well. quote marks not a vaccine because it's a treatment. so you can't actually have this done before you have the cancer. you take a bit of the cancer. you take a bit of the cancer. you take a bit of the cancer and you program the immune response. the big problem with cancer is our immune systems don't fight it. if you can get the immune system to do all the work because you can't get anything that's as good as the immune system. and this is

what it does and it seems to be working. i'm impressed by your knowledge. >> i'm a bit gutted that the fun section has horrific illnesses and council debt. i think they're trying to stitch me up. lewis. anything on this lot on this thing? this thing, this thing is one of those stories about dogs and they basically they they they said they were they they they said they were they normally would, would have died between 30 and 60 days if they've got this thing. and because they've been giving, given this thing for this glioblastoma, they're living 139 days. so it's like it's not like they've been given five more years or ten more years. it's quite a while. it is complete. the point is the point is, is that glioblastoma is one of those diseases. it's cancer of the brain. so they don't have the brain. so they don't have the kind of treatment that they would have for other, other, bodies . would have for other, other, bodies. number one and number two, number two, the treatment of that, they actually there's a guy, his name . i'm not going to guy, his name. i'm not going to say what his name is because i forgot it. but basically all you need to do is you need to you need to do is you need to you need to do is you need to you need to starve the cancer. it's a cool. okay, well, there's the

light—hearted section . let's do light—hearted section. let's do the mail. and why the cool kids don't sleep literally. lewis tired kids. the most popular children at school, get the least sleep, especially if they are girls. study finds . this is are girls. study finds. this is this comes out of sweden, and sweden is a country that's a lot like our country. and if i call this my country , my kid's this my country, my kid's country, and it's my kid's country, and it's my kid's country , and it says that, it country, and it says that, it says that, popular teens get the least amount of sleep. but only if you're a girl. basically, if you're a boy, it doesn't really affect them. >> quick hot take on this. it's correlation versus causation. no, i think you'll find people have had a lot of sleep are intolerable . oh, i slept really intolerable. oh, i slept really well last night. i don't like you.so well last night. i don't like you. so it's not that popular. people don't sleep. people who sleep well. oh, they whine you right up. >> oh, okay. we got one more story in this last minute. >> oh, okay. we got one more story in this last minute . so story in this last minute. so let's do the mirror. and are young people afraid of the telephone , steve. telephone, steve. >> right. so a quarter of young people never pick up the phone when you call them. a new study finds. take the hint. stop calling. new research says that

this generation don't refuse to pick up the phone. they don't do proper phone calls, which makes you feel sorry for the samaritans. the volunteers. they're they're going to be quiet, aren't they, you don't need to call now. that's the difference. when we were growing up, phone calls were the only way to get information across. even i look at my phone when it's ringing, thinking like, oh, just, you better be calling to explain why you're not texting me, because you never know. a phone call could take too long. >> okay, lewis 20s on this i agree. i agree totally . steve is agree. i agree totally. steve is he's a scientist. that was only six seconds. i mean, that's the most that's the first time you've been concise. is when i wanted you to be more verbose. i can't believe it. yeah >> ask him about an address. >> ask him about an address. >> i'll give my take on it. which is that. i've blocked lewis when he calls, so it never comes up. all right. the lewis when he calls, so it never comes up. all right . the show lewis when he calls, so it never comes up. all right. the show is pretty much over, but let's take another quick look at thursday's front pages. so the daily mail has day that rwanda became a reality, which is about the scheme finally kicking in. the telegraph ireland sends police to border in migrant row. the times has labour plan for channel migrants to get asylum. the express heartbroken family

paid tribute to wonderful child, which is the tragic story of daniel benjamin. the eye news has uk rwanda plan could be delayed as civil servants sue government. and finally, the daily star. we're going to need a bigger lilo, which was about a potential large shark in sussex. we cover all the big stories. thatis we cover all the big stories. that is all we have time for. thanks to lewis and steve, we're back tomorrow at 11 pm. with some other people, and if you're watching at 5 am, then stay tuned for breakfast. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> hi there! welcome to the latest weather update from the met office for gb news. heavy rain overnight in the south continuing into much of thursday. risk of thunderstorms in places but it will be much dner in places but it will be much drier further north. we've got an area of low pressure across the continent that's going to push some humid and warm air into much of the uk overnight, but on the boundary between that and the cooler air out in the

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