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moylan and conservative member of the house of lords, and norman baker, former liberal democrat minister will be going head to head in the clash. then are you are labour spying on you as labour have been dubbed the government in waiting whilst finding outlining their policy plans, the welsh labour government are using satellites to spy on homeowners with big gardens , as the telegraph gardens, as the telegraph reported a bid to raise council tax. my outside guest a mystery. well, the daughter of the famous husband and wife team, gerry and sylvia anderson , the creators of sylvia anderson, the creators of the cult television series thunderbirds, stingray . fireball thunderbirds, stingray. fireball xl5.joe thunderbirds, stingray. fireball xl5. joe 90. captain scarlet and space 1999. i used to love that and then click bait today. what's happening . here.7 before what's happening. here.7 before we get started, let's get your latest news headlines.

>> gnaana. thank you and good afternoon. the top stories from the gb news room claims a british israeli hostage has died in gaza. are being urgently investigated by the foreign office. hamas says nadav popplewell , who was kidnapped popplewell, who was kidnapped dunng popplewell, who was kidnapped during the october attack in israel, was injured during an airstrike a month ago. undated footage of the 51 year old with a black eye was also released . a black eye was also released. the government says it's seeking more information after the terrorist group made the claim. in a video, deputy foreign secretary andrew mitchell is condemning the actions of hamas. >> my heart goes out to the family at this extraordinary time with the barbarism of these appalling terrorists who, have treated the family in such a cynical, cruel and heartless way. and, we must wait for further information to become available. but what an appalling, dreadful experience for this poor family to have to

suffer at the hands of this, this absolutely dreadful terrorist organisation . terrorist organisation. >> tory defector natalie elphicke denies she lobbied the justice secretary over her then husband's sex offences trial. sir robert buckland claims the mp , who crossed the floor to mp, who crossed the floor to laboun mp, who crossed the floor to labour, requested the case be moved to a lower profile court. speaking to the sunday times, he says she was told the request was completely inappropriate . was completely inappropriate. her spokesperson refuted the accusation, describing it as nonsense. in the mail on sunday, mr elphicke ended the marriage when her husband was convicted of sexually assaulting two women and jailed for two years at least seven people have been killed and 17 injured, including two children, after an apartment block collapsed in russia , state block collapsed in russia, state media says fragments of a ukrainian missile, which were downed by russia's air defence system, landed on the building in the city of belgorod. rescue efforts were hampered when the

roof also collapsed with rubble covering emergency crews. they've now resumed their work in a bid to find more survivors . in a bid to find more survivors. a third man has been arrested on suspicion of murder following a house fire in wolverhampton . house fire in wolverhampton. emergency services were called to a property in the dunstall hill area at 2 am. yesterday, where two women, both in their 20s, were pronounced dead at the scene. four people were also injured. police have been granted extra time to question two men who were arrested yesterday , aged 19 and 22. it's yesterday, aged 19 and 22. it's believed they were known to the women . in other news, women. in other news, applications have opened for funded childcare , an expansion funded childcare, an expansion on the government's current offer for working families. parents of children who are older than nine months from september are now eligible for support . parents of two year support. parents of two year olds have been able to access 15 hours of funded childcare since last month. the full rollout will see support increase to 30 hours a week by september next year.

hours a week by september next year . labour hours a week by september next year. labour has hours a week by september next year . labour has rejected a year. labour has rejected a report claiming its fair pay agreements in social care could cost taxpayers £4.2 billion a yeah cost taxpayers £4.2 billion a year. the party says it wants to empower adult social care professionals and the trade unions that represent them, so they can negotiate better deals, they can negotiate better deals, the policy exchange think tank says the total cost of the proposed wage rise in 2023 to 2024 would have been at least £9.9 billion per year. labour says the claims are based on fiction and do not reflect party policy . weather warnings for policy. weather warnings for thunderstorms are in place across the country, with britain's warm spell ending this afternoon. temperatures are still expected to reach around 27 degrees in central parts of the country before the wet weather rolls in. the met office has issued new alerts for rain in southwest england. heavy downpours are also expected to hit eastern areas of northern ireland, with a warning in place until 6:00 on tuesday morning, and two skydivers have become

the first to navigate their way through tower bridge wearing wingsuits . the pair, from wingsuits. the pair, from austria, jumped from a helicopter and flew across the river thames, reaching a top speed of 152mph before successfully winging their way between the bridge towers. the stunt followed extensive training in oxfordshire, which involved the use of cranes to simulate the structure . simulate the structure. >> i'm feeling good. i'm feeling really good. it was a quite intense, i would say, but yeah, we were well prepared and for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. >> com slash alerts. now back to

. nana. >> thank you tatiana. well i'd love to do that. or maybe one of my rivals chuck them in one of those things. wow that looked impressive. well, welcome on board. this is gb news. i'm nana akua just coming up to seven minutes after 3:00. before we get stuck into our debates over the next hour, let me introduce you to my clashers. joining me today is lord daniel moylan, conservative member of the house of lords, and also norman baker, former liberal democrat minister, who will be going head to head in the clash. right. let's see what's coming up as the labour government finally outlined their future policies, they appear to be leaving a bitter taste with many voters as the welsh labour government is using satellites to spy on homeowners with big gardens as it seeks to overhaul council tax. and on friday, sir keir starmer announced his plans if elected to government. he would see counter—terror powers to smash people smuggling gangs, as well as scrapping rwanda. new labour mp natalie elphicke has been accused of lobbying ministers in attempts to interfere in her former husband's sexual assault case,

while sir keir starmer regret opening a can of worms and then civil service diversity jobs will be banned in a new crackdown on whitehall . woke in crackdown on whitehall. woke in a radical overhaul aimed at ending backdoor politicisation of the civil service. but should the government be focusing more on important matters, or is this an important matter? after all, wasting money, government money? our money is serious stuff. and according to the times, prince harry, the duke of sussex, did not see charles during a trip to london this week. but apparently there are different versions of who asked or did not ask to see who, as ever , get in touch in who, as ever, get in touch in the usual way. gbnews.com/yoursay or tweet me @gbnews . but first, is this @gbnews. but first, is this really a government in waiting? yesterday, lord kinnock, a member him. he's the 1 in 1983 when he fell into the sea on a beach, he was trying to impress the press. it backfired

magnificently . and then in 1992, magnificently. and then in 1992, he's led he led his party to defeat in an election which was seen as a guaranteed win for his party. but yesterday, even he pointed out that people are simply not in love with sir keir starmer's party, and that it was more of a sick of the tories vibe. the public wants change and as the labour party policies unfold, they appear to be leaving a bitter taste with many voters. kia is unpopular plan on education is starting to unravel , and the proposed 20% vat, which will be added to independent schools fees should they get into power as predicted, they will. it has already been seen 2.7% fewer admissions to these schools , admissions to these schools, with a number that number set to increase and already strapped parents are scared that they won't be able to afford them choosing not to enrol, further burdening the state sector . a burdening the state sector. a rumoured 40,000 children are expected to end up back in the state education system, and lots of those independent schools may

well be forced to close. a law of diminishing returns, it seems his proposal to tackle the small boats under terror laws, many say, are a repackaged version of what already exists. >> britain can do better , labour >> britain can do better, labour will do better. >> we will end this farce . >> we will end this farce. >> we will end this farce. >> we will restore serious government to our borders, tackle this problem at source and replace the rwanda policy permanently. >> today we launch our plan to do that , a new approach to small do that, a new approach to small boat crossings that will secure britain's borders, prevent the exploitation by tackling it upstream and smash the criminal smuggling gangs. >> and as the first step in this plan , a new manifesto plan, a new manifesto commitment, we will set up a new command with new powers, new resources and a new way of doing things. border security command the security command sounds great, doesn't it? >> it sounds like a bit of marketing, to be honest, and scrapping. the only thing that

appears to be having any impact. rwanda madness . and to top it rwanda madness. and to top it off, we discover that plans to increase trade union rights with new fair play agreements championed by angela rayner , championed by angela rayner, whose tax affairs around her old house have all gone quiet , would house have all gone quiet, would cost an average household an extra further. £225 in council tax. and as for using satellites to spy on people with big gardens to rewrite the property bands, which is currently happening in wales, keir starmer called this the blueprint of what a labour government can do. god help us. i don't know about you, but if you think tax is high now, i can't see them going down any time soon under those plans. but what do you think? gbnews.com/win your say? welcome again to my head to head as lord daniel moylan, conservative member of the house of lords and also norman baker, former liberal democrat minister. i'm going to start with you . daniel going to start with you. daniel plans to. well, where do you want to start with this? there's a lot to unravel. your choice. >> well, you've got a couple of questions there, haven't you? >> the first, when you say, are they a government in waiting?

>> the first question is, do i think they're going to win the general election? >> i think the chances are obviously that they are going to win the general election. >> the second question is, are they are they behaving like a government in waiting? >> are they showing themselves fit to be a government ? i >> are they showing themselves fit to be a government? i think we're a long way from seeing labour party in that position, first of all, they've revealed very, very few policies. so we actually really don't know what labourin actually really don't know what labour in power would do now, presumably at some point they will tell us, i suppose they'll tell us some of the things they're going to do, but they haven't told us yet. >> so it's hard to make a judgement. but when you do see what they have said and what they are going to do, it's all very worrying because it does seem to be determined as much by, buying off little bits of his party. you know, i'll buy off the left with this and i'll buy off the right with that, rather than any coherent plan or vision . that's one of the things vision. that's one of the things about keir starmer. he's never had a vision. he's never really been a politician. he's never had a vision for where he wants to take the country. if you want to take the country. if you want to tell me what his vision is, i'd be happy to be told. but

i've no real idea where he wants to take the country . we've got to take the country. we've got the vat on school fees, private school fees, which is purely vindictive and done to please a certain section of the left of his party. the rwanda thing. i just don't believe if rwanda is having an effect in deterring people from coming here. and that's not just measured by the number of people who are actually being flown to rwanda . actually being flown to rwanda. if it's having an effect in deterring people who are coming here or encouraging them to go to other eu countries and away from great britain , then i don't from great britain, then i don't think he will scrap it. i think he will find excuses not to do so, because people will find it astonishing that he is scrapping something that works. as for having a new border command, that's a great idea. in fact, the conservatives have done it already. exactly. and it exists. but he could bolster it up and give it a new name and maybe a bit more money. but the essential thing about disrupting the criminal gangs is that most of them are operating outside the uk. so unless these guys can do mission impossible style

raids into the dens, into the basements, into the hidey holes where these criminal travel agents are operating, that's essentially what they are. they're running a business. >> well, it's an industry, isn't it? >> unless they can do that, i don't see that they'll be able to do very much more than the government's already achieving on that front. norman baker well, where do you want to start? but essentially the i'm going to agree actually with daniel on one point, which is that we're not quite clear what the labour party will do if they get into power. and at the moment they're operating in what's called a ming vase policy, where they're holding this ming vase terribly carefully and walking across a polished floor, desperate not to drop it, and really, nothing very much about what they want to do because you don't want to lose any votes. and that may be a sensible political strategy, but it's not a very honest one. in terms of telling people what they want to do. so we do need some more clarity and we want some more clarity and we want some proper debate. i think, between the three parties, the lib dems, as well as to what will happen after the next election, because it may well be that there will be a labour government , there may be a hung

government, there may be a hung parliament. here's where i agree with rishi sunak . there is with rishi sunak. there is a possibility of a hung parliament looking at the local election results , because a local results, because a local election is determined that people are following an a , b, people are following an a, b, c strategy anne diamond but conservatives and voting for whoever can beat the tories in that particular part of the world. that's what the local elections showed. so we do need to know what's going to happen. we don't want a big surprise agatha christie style on the day after the election as to what's going to be the policy of the government of the day. so but in terms of some of the issues which have been raised, i don't think they were under policy is working. we've had one person go so far who went voluntarily with a nice £3,000 cheque and guaranteed accommodation when he gets there, but the border control command arrangement that the labour party is putting forward is, isn't , in fact the forward is, isn't, in fact the same as the tory one repackaged. there's no difference about that at all. the best thing the government has at the moment is done about , government has at the moment is done about, about this situation has been to do to reach a deal with albania on a on a bilateral arrangement, which is actually cut the numbers from albania quite significantly and more of

those sorts of arrangements, i think, and more engagement with the european union is probably the european union is probably the way forward, but it isn't going to be very easy. and it won't solve the problem overnight, if at all. so you know, that's that's the issue with that. now, in terms of the natalie elphicke thing, which we want to talk about, perhaps . want to talk about, perhaps. look, i mean, this is a grubby political story of big time isn't it? first of all, she's not a labour party , she's not not a labour party, she's not the labour party philosophically , she's a right wing conservative. so why does she join the labour party? it could only be to get back at rishi sunak on a personal basis. there can't be any other reason for doing so. why is keir starmer adopted there in the teeth of opposition from his own party? because he once got one over the tories. why are we now finding out about this, allegation about her lobbying the justice secretary now and not 3 or 4 months ago, because it's very convenient to do so. >> we'll do more on natalie elphicke later on in the show. i'm glad you're prepped on that, because honestly, there's more and more coming out about her

every second. but as we said, we were talking about rwanda . and were talking about rwanda. and on friday, sir keir starmer announced his plans. if he was elected to government to use counter—terror powers to smash people smuggling gangs in. as norman pointed out, we already have something pretty similar to this sort of thing, and it's pretty disingenuous in my view, for him to make it sound like it's something new. the labour leader has already pledged to cancel the conservative government's scheme to send some asylum seekers to rwanda. i know, norman said. you said it's only one person. they've been given three grand. it is a scheme that has existed. that kind of scheme has existed for many of these sort of policies anyway, but it does seem to be having an effect on the ground now. rwanda, which was passed into law last month. and it does seem, especially in the republic of ireland, people are fleeing northern ireland to escape any possibility of being sent there. but starmer insists that our asylum system must be rebuilt. but does he really seize the initiative on small boats? so i'm going to come back to normal because we did talk a little bit about it, he he hasn't really

told us much about his plan. if he's only going to do something that already exists , does it that already exists, does it not? smack of being somewhat disingenuous. >> i don't think what he said so far will lead to any reduction in the number of people coming across the channel. that's the bottom line, i suppose. but, you know, we've got to keep our eye on the main picture , which is on the main picture, which is a number of people coming into this country legally . it far, this country legally. it far, far dwarfs the number coming across the channel. what we had here is a piece from the paper today. 211 people crossed the channel on thursday , and the channel on thursday, and the total up this year is 9000. i mean, the number of people going to rwanda will be less than that, even by the government's own figure. but the number of people coming in legally is what a million or thereabouts? it's a huge number. so if we're actually looking at the 745,000, that's a net figure. if we're looking at the debate about whether or not we want to have people coming in the country or not, we need a debate about legal migration, not about illegal migration. that's almost a side issue. >> well, i think it's not a side issue because people are dying.

also, it's a business and the numbers will only get bigger. so you might look at it and think, oh, that's not many tiny proportion. yeah, yeah. a tiny proportion. yeah, yeah. a tiny proportion. but if you look at the way it's, continued to increase, almost doubling every few years, that that will be a problem later on. we need to get hold of it when it is a small proportion. what are your thoughts, daniel? >> well, i think the first of all, i do think there's a big difference. norman tries to brush it over between legal and illegal migration, because the british people have a great sense of fairness and a sense of not queue jumping and the fact is, if you've applied and you've got permission to come here because you've got a job, whether that's a good thing, whether that's a good thing, whether the numbers are too high or not, that doesn't make you a bad person. it doesn't make you somebody that is resented individually for what you're doing. but if you're actually jumping the queue and coming overin jumping the queue and coming over in boats like that , i think over in boats like that, i think there's a strong sense that these people don't deserve to be here. they don't merit being here. they don't merit being here. i think the real problem starmer has, though, is that there are quite a lot of people in his party who actually don't want to stop the boats. they

think that we should have open borders, they think we should be welcoming refugees from all over the world. just as there are lots of people in the united states who believe that about america and an and so i think really the problem with the labour party is that when they get into power, we don't know where they're going to be. on this question of illegal migration, whether they're actually really going to try and stop it, or whether that part of the party, that part of the left in this country who rush out to calais and encourage them and welcome them and so on, are going to be the dominant force and putting pressure on him. that's what i think is the real worry about. >> do you think he actually wants the open borders? >> we can get cheap. he does. >> we can get cheap. he does. >> i don't think he's got i mean, i don't know what keir starmer's personal views are on those whose party, particularly because what he says is always judged in my view, according to which part of his party which particular focus group or whatever it's going to appeal to. and i think on this, he's

appealing to that part of the country , the majority, i think, country, the majority, i think, which feels that this is unfair queue queue jumping. but don't forget that he's surrounded by people in the party who actually believe that welcoming refugees from other countries is something we should be doing well , however they get here. well, however they get here. >> yes, until they move to their backyard and then suddenly things all change. >> don't make nice big house champagne socialists. these things don't worry you about it. >> yeah. no, not at all, do they? but if you're just tuned in. welcome. it's just coming up to 21 minutes after 3:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. we're live on tv, online, and on digital radio. coming up, civil service, diversity jobs will be banned in a new crackdown on whitehall. woke spending. but next new labour mp natalie elphicke has been accused of lobbying ministers in attempts to interfere in her former husband sexual assault

case. all right. it's 25 after 3:00. if you just tuned in. welcome. good afternoon. i know it's a beautiful day , but we're live on beautiful day, but we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. this is gb news now. natalie elphicke mp. she's been all over the news. she's been accused of lobbying ministers in an attempt to interfere with her former husband's sexual assault case. then justice secretary sir robert buckland alleges she asked him to move the 2020 trial to charlie elphicke to a lower profile court, apparently to spare him public scrutiny. labour spokesperson said that she totally rejects the characterisation of the meeting. mr elphicke defected from the conservatives to labour last week, but is this a blessing in disguise for the tories? after all, they've just got shot of her. joining me now is gb news political correspondent katherine forster how are the tories taking the defection of natalie elphicke ? natalie elphicke? >> yes. >> yes. >> well, it's very curious , >> well, it's very curious, isn't it, because, they're mystified , frankly, because she mystified, frankly, because she was seen as being really right

on the right of the party. >> she was a member of the european research group. she supported liz truss. so really, the last person that you would have expected to go over to laboun have expected to go over to labour, particularly as, as a conservative mp for dover up until wednesday, she spent plenty of time rubbishing keir starmer and his plans, or lack of a plan to stop the boats. but now she's suddenly gone about some sort of conversion and says that rishi sunaks plan isn't going to work and that she puts more faith in keir starmer. now lord cameron today has been saying that this is naked opportunity. opportunity pardon me by labour as much as anything. lots of tory mps mystified and not very impressed. and i have to say, with labour mps, a lot of them are pretty horrified at the fact that she's been welcomed into

the labour party. people like rosie duffield and jess phillips, who've worked a lot on, you know, countering violence against women and girls and the labour party has taken someone who stuck up for stood by her sex offender husband, who was jailed for two years and continued to defend him after he had been convicted. and these allegations today in the sunday times are really pretty damning that she went to robert buckland, the then justice secretary, and expressed concerns before his trial that the court was too high profile , the court was too high profile, that the judge was too high profile. robert buckland was having none of it. but then later after he was convicted. the sunday times is also reporting that she tried again. this time she couldn't get near robert buckland, but she told the chief whip wanted them to intervene that his living .

intervene that his living. conditions in prison were basically not good enough , that basically not good enough, that his bed was not comfortable enough, and that his pillows were not comfortable enough. so this story not going away at all? >> not at all, is it? that'll be interesting how the others respond. thank you very much, catherine. that's katherine forster. she's our gb news political correspondent. well, joining me in the clash, lord daniel moylan and also norman baken daniel moylan and also norman baker. daniel natalie elphicke. is she a bonus to the conservative party? >> oh, can i just say a couple of things about natalie elphicke and i don't want to defend her, but i'm going to defend her a little bit. first of all, all this stuff about her seeking to influence things in relation to her husband is not new, very little of it's new because we all know that . she and a couple all know that. she and a couple of other mps wrote a letter to the judge at the time because they were disciplined for it by by whatever the right the committee's called in the house of commons, they were suspended for a short period as a punishment for doing that. so we know that she was doing this. all that we're finding out today

is that she also spoke to robert buckland, who now seems sort of shocked. well, i know robert buckland and he's a he can cope with this. he hasn't needed counselling to cope with this. second thing i want to say is i find it very hard , i'd be find it very hard, i'd be perfectly honest, to criticise a wife who is trying to do her best for her husband, who's in difficulties. i don't see what's wrong with that. i fully expect her to do this. >> well, why are we all sitting there getting hung up on some nofion there getting hung up on some notion of it's not so much some abstract notion, but it's not so much? >> she defended him, but it was the wording that she used. it was more victim blaming. so she said it's because he's a no no. >> it's not that he defended him. it's that she she was when she spoke to robert buckland. she was trying to do something for her husband. he didn't do it, which is quite right. he's tough enough to say no. he said no. that's the right thing to do. and presumably then she went away and maybe she went. and then she complained about. she complained to the chief whip about his pillows. i mean, that's ridiculous. i mean, why would you complain to chief whip is not a matron in in a prison? he doesn't fix pillows, so she

may have mentioned it to the chief whip. and i think there's so i don't i want to stick up a little bit for her. on the other hand, of course, it is . hand, of course, it is. totally mad that natalie elphicke is a member of the labour party, and one of the problems here is that there are a whole load of people in the house of commons and i'm afraid she's probably one of them, including on the conservative benches, who really ought not to be there. i mean, why is she there? she's there because she stepped in to take her husband's place when he had to stand down. i mean, why was that? but why does that qualify her to be an mp who knows what she's doing? yeah. how do the conservatives select their candidates? is something that many conservatives have been asking over the last few years, and good answers are very few and good answers are very few and far between. >> i think this is an example of a very bad selection. norman baker look, nobody comes out of this, in my view, with any credit very much. >> first of all, she's not a labour party person in philosophical terms. she has gone there because she wants to

gone there because she wants to go back and rishi sunak or some other personal explanation. they cannot be for policy reasons because she's far to the right. the tory party secondly, the labour party can't get any credit for this because they've exploited it's conservative party's weakness. and here's an opportunity to have a bash at the prime minister. so there's no credit to them on that . this no credit to them on that. this issue that's come up today, daniel is quite right there was a suspension by the standards committee in the house of commons, so that's not new. why has it come in today? presumably because robert buckland or someone in the conservative party has leaked this the sunday times and got a story out of it. they're not concerned about it, because if they had been concerned, it would have been in the papers before she defected. so this is simply and to have a go at the labour party. so they came out of no credit and now there's a daily mail, i might say, or the mail on sunday, because they were busy saying not very long ago that judges were enemies of the state because they didn't like their position on brexit. now they're in the papers saying how we must defend the judges, how terrible it is . no, i think they it is. no, i think they influence them. >> well, i think i mean, i don't know which stories you're referring to specifically on the daily mail, but those will be

story focused so it's not overall it'll be inconsistent though. well no but but but opinions change and also stories change. so in different cases you might judge the behaviour of a judge in one way and another case or another. you are the. in this case you are sorry, but they're not. but first of all, they're not. but first of all, they're not. but first of all, they're not a homogenous group of people who think exactly the same at the daily mail. so somebody might write one thing that has an opinion piece in their view, that's that's why it's front page to paper. >> you either believe the judiciary is independent or you don't. i mean, that's a very fundamental point. >> well, we don't know which story you're to. talking so we'll so we'll cross that to one side and stick with natalie elphicke. yeah. right. so anyway what are your thoughts gbviews@gbnews.com forward slash your essay on the way harry and meghan what do you think did charles he didn't see charles. harry didn't see charles doing a trip to london this week. but who didn't agree to see who that's the question. but first, let's get your latest headlines with tatiana sanchez. >> gnaana, thank you very much.

the top stories from the newsroom claims a british israeli hostage has died in gaza. are being urgently investigated by the foreign office. hamas says nadav popplewell, who was kidnapped dunng popplewell, who was kidnapped during the october attack in israel, was injured during an airstrike a month ago. undated footage of the 51 year old with a black eye was also released. the government says it's seeking more information after the terrorist group made the claim. in a video. a third man has been arrested on suspicion of murder following a house fire in wolverhampton. emergency services were called to a property in dunstall hill area at 2 am. yesterday where two women, both in their 20s, were pronounced dead at the scene. police have been granted extra time to question two other men, aged 19 and 22. it's believed they were known to the victims . they were known to the victims. tory defector natalie elphicke denies she lobbied the justice secretary over her then husband's sex offences trial. sir robert buckland claims the mp , who crossed the floor to

mp, who crossed the floor to laboun mp, who crossed the floor to labour, requested the case be moved to a lower profile court. speaking to the sunday times, he says she was told the request was completely inappropriate . was completely inappropriate. her spokesperson refuted the accusation, describing it as nonsense. in the mail on sunday and weather warnings for thunderstorms are in place across the country, with britain's warm spell set to end this afternoon. the met office has issued a new alert for rain in southwest england. eastern areas of northern ireland can also expect a heavy downpour, with a warning in place until 6 am. on tuesday. for the with a warning in place until 6 am. on tuesday . for the latest am. on tuesday. for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. common alerts now back to . nana. common alerts now back to. nana. >> thank you. tatiana. right, there's still plenty of time to win our biggest cash prize so far. it's a whopping £20,000. now imagine having that in your

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welcome back. if you just tuned in. where have you been? there's 21 minutes to go. just in this hour or two hours and 21 minutes to go. actually, to be fair, i'm nana akua . this is gp news on nana akua. this is gp news on tv, online and on digital radio. we are the people's channel. this is the clash. next up civil service diversity. jobs will be bannedin service diversity. jobs will be banned in a new crackdown on whitehall. woke spending. hallelujah the telegraph are reporting that in a radical overhaul aimed at ending the back door politicisation of the service, mandarins will be

ordered not to hire any new staff dedicated to boosting diversity, equality and inclusion, but instead they'll be focusing on scrapping. diversity drives should the government then do you think they should be focusing on bigger matters or is this a big matter indeed? well, welcome to my clashes . lord daniel moylan my clashes. lord daniel moylan was a conservative member of the house of lords and norman baker, former liberal democrat minister norman baker. i'm going to start with you. diversity. eddie d the first thing to say is, yes, there are far more important issues, whether it's the state of the economy or the nhs or the bonng of the economy or the nhs or the boring gaza or all range of other matters. >> so it isn't the most important thing for the government to be concentrating on, however , there are doubtless on, however, there are doubtless people in civil service who are doing jobs which aren't terribly useful , and doing jobs which aren't terribly useful, and it's probably worth looking at those. i'm not against the civil service looking at diversity and inclusion, but i think they should be part of a wider role that someone has, rather than someone being specifically in that post. because if you're yes , if you're particularly particularly in that post, then you have the reason to keep that post going. if it's part of a

wider human resources topic that you're dealing with, then you can incorporate it in your wider thinking. so i'm not against it, but it needs to be partly, focused in the proper way. i don't believe the telegraph is right to say it's back door politicisation . that's that's a politicisation. that's that's a stretch too far. >> do you not think i mean, a lot of these stonewall and all these little groups that are coming in with their own narratives to try and sort of infiltrate policy, i we wouldn't think that you don't think that some of them are there. >> i think there's definitely a chance to influence policy. i think it's perfectly proper to democracy for groups of any sort to try and influence the behaviour of government. and however they do it. so i'm not against that. i do happen to agree with not by becoming civil servants. no, not, no, absolutely not by becoming civil servants . servants. >> that's what that's flooding their ideology into the service. >> you here? yeah well, i agree that if people from stonewall or anyone else are trying to become civil servants in order to enact our policy, that would be wrong . our policy, that would be wrong. but there's nothing wrong with any. if you go around some departments , you'll find, say, a departments, you'll find, say, a departments, you'll find, say, a department like defra, you'll find a whole host of civil servants working on environmental policy . and if you

environmental policy. and if you ask what their cvs are, you'll find out they used to work for greenpeace or some environmental organisation , some ngo or organisation, some ngo or whatever. and i'm not saying in any sense , in any individual's any sense, in any individual's case that they're not behaving perfectly properly because i wouldn't have that information. but that is exactly what is happening, is that people with a background of lobbying and campaigning move very easily between that ngo sector and the civil service, just as they move between between that sector and politics. look at the guy just elected for labour in the blackpool south by—election. he's never worked for anybody except for the labour party or for ngo type charities that are basically lobbying type charities. so it's in politics andifs charities. so it's in politics and it's in the civil service as well. i think it'd be to saying this is the way it is. i'm not saying, look, i mean, people come to a civil service job or any job in the public sector or become an mp with a background. everybody has a background of

some sort. there are plenty of people at defra, but what they don't have is a background in the labour party , for example, the labour party, for example, of working class working in a factory . very rarely now do they factory. very rarely now do they have a background of working in a trade union the way they used to, and the conservative party there are very few people from the business or finance background , everybody in all the background, everybody in all the main parties. i haven't looked too closely at your own party just as well for you. i suppose on this occasion , but everybody on this occasion, but everybody is coming from the same background , which is that they background, which is that they basically work for a political party. they've worked as a special adviser, or they've worked in some sort of lobbying organisation or ngo. it's very, very bad for democracy. there's an issue about how potential candidates for any party are selected. and i have to say, i think the lib dem arrangements are rather better than they are. and the other two parties, however, in terms of the civil service, of course, there are some civil servants who work for greenpeace or whatever, but the civil servants who work for big multinational companies, who then try to ensure that the policy that they grew up with,

if you like, before they were civil service, is enacted. we've seen defra , for example, seen defra, for example, continually ban neonicotinoids, which are very harmful to bees. who was arguing for that? the companies should make those particular products. so, of course, people in the civil service come from all sorts of backgrounds and they bring their own agenda with them. they can't help it. well, let me just say also, nana, i'm not totally convinced by this. what? let me tell you why i think this is important, leave aside the whole question of what woke means and the fact that some of these people have been lobbying, for example, the stonewall people , example, the stonewall people, to do physical and mental harm to do physical and mental harm to children permanently . and to children permanently. and that's what's been going on with the gender reassignment for children, believe. leave all that aside, the key question , in that aside, the key question, in my view, is whether a government can actually have a civil service which works for the government of the day, or whether the civil service is working for itself, tolerating the elected government of the day. now, here already, there's a huge loophole because if i

believe the newspaper article in the daily telegraph, which reports this, it says under the plans there will no longer be any jobs in whitehall devoted solely to diversity. so there won't be any people who do that only. but that doesn't mean to say there won't still be lots of people doing this as part of another job. people doing this as part of anotherjob. but but people doing this as part of another job. but but that's and i think that is the point, though, if, as norman said, if thatis though, if, as norman said, if that is your sole role, you actually need to sort of make work for yourself, which is where they're finding these ridiculous little training sessions to do this and to do that. >> whereas if you are say it, it goes back where it should be, which i think is just air. we have an air department, and you start to make sure that you've got a nice diverse workforce. you don't need one person or a load of people. >> you need an air. >> you need an air. >> well, i don't necessarily think you do, but i don't need an air department in the. but at least i do agree with that. but, but but what i'm saying is we don't need somebody solely focused on diversity and inclusion . no, but it's the same inclusion. no, but it's the same with us. we've got loads still

to come here on gb news just coming up to 46 minutes after 3:00. on my way. nana niggle. why on earth a global singing competition has become so political . but next, according political. but next, according to the times, prince harry, the duke of sussex , did not see duke of sussex, did not see charles during a trip to london this week but reportedly there are different versions of who asked or did not ask to see who.

49 minutes after 3:00. if you've just joined us. welcome. this is gb news. we're live on tv, onune gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. don't forget as well, you can stream the show live on youtube. or you can download the gb news app. it's completely free. next up, though, prince harry, the duke of sussex, did not see charles during the trip to london this week as we, it was reported. according to the times, there are different versions of the story depending on who asked who, whether they should see who. it's all a bit complicated , the king agreed,

complicated, the king agreed, apparently to request a request from the duke of sussex to stay in a royal residence for the last week of his trip to london, mindful that his younger son no longer has an official uk residence. that's what's reported in the event, however , reported in the event, however, harry is thought to have chosen to stay in a hotel during his three day visit. meanwhile, an official scheme to deliver portraits of the king has been extended and it now includes hospital coast guard centres, job centres, universities, church of england churches and other public institutions. well, let's welcome back to my clashes . lord daniel moylan, conservative member of the house of lords . also norman baker, of lords. also norman baker, former liberal democrat minister. right. daniel what do you think then? have you been following this royal story with prince harry coming to the uk and not seeing his father ? and not seeing his father? >> no, to be perfectly honest, i don't find the whole prince harry thing terribly interesting. and let's put this interesting. and let's put this in an historical perspective. this is mild stuff. i mean, george ii in the 18th century famously got on extremely badly with all his sons , who were with all his sons, who were absolutely brutal to him and

completely horrible during his long reign. and edward the third not only deposed his father, he was almost certainly party to the plot to murder him later. so, you know, just not turning up while the king's at a garden party and so on. this is all very mild stuff. it's not very interesting in the historical perspective. fathers and sons argue that includes kings, he hasn't actually set about to achieve any of his historical precedents. he's just sort of going to live in california , going to live in california, which is relatively mild compared to what has happened in the past . compared to what has happened in the past. norman baker well, i'm getting prince harry fatigue, to be honest with you, in terms of the stories which are continually appear in the papers about him and meghan, i mean, it is peculiar, i suppose he was over here from california and two miles away from the king, and they didn't see each other. i'm sure they could have arranged it had they wanted to, but ultimately it's in a way it's a family matter. he's divorced himself from the royal family or divorced himself from his royal role. at least he's living in california now, in some sort of different

lifestyle. he's entitled to do that if he wants to do that and i think if you want to see the king and the king wants to see him, that's up to them. really >> but yeah, but don't you think it's a bit sad, though? the whole story, the whole situation is a bit, isn't it? >> but as daniel says, you know, sorry to be agreeing with him, but, you know, families are families and people do disagree with each other and families, and that's what's what happens. >> so what are your views on this? the portraits then going up in different places of the king, bearing in mind that oxford university was it magdalene college, where the students were worried that the pictures of the queen would upset foreign students? i remind them of colonialisation have pictures because they might upset foreign students as a as a rubbish reason not to have picture. >> what i would say is that there is a there's a £8 million being spent on this, of course, whenever you spend public money, you've got to justify that is an allocation . many people will allocation. many people will support it. others will say could be spent in a different way . i note that the church of way. i note that the church of england places of worship are going to get the poetry, but not other religious , buildings. and

other religious, buildings. and of course, charles has always said he wants to be a defender of all faiths rather than just one faith. so that's in a way he's undermining his own position. >> well, maybe they're not interested in that. what do you think, daniel? >> well, i think it's marvellous that they should be more portraits of the king everywhere. the king is a sign of unity , for the country. we of unity, for the country. we all have great admiration for him. we're thinking about him at this time when his health is suffering . and i think it's suffering. and i think it's public. buildings have always had portraits of the monarch in them. and of course, they should have this official portrait. it should be hanging there proudly . should be hanging there proudly. >> absolutely. well, listen, let's see lots of you've been getting in touch with your thoughts on gbnews.com/yoursay, james, on the subject of dei diversity, equality and inclusion, or dei, as people like to call it, he said, we managed perfectly well in the 19705, managed perfectly well in the 1970s, 80s 90s and 2000. without dei, we don't need it now. we never did. just another way to squander more taxpayer money and appear even more woke, david

says, again, another generic gb news show. same old yawn, yawn . news show. same old yawn, yawn. but keep all that money on. get out of here. listen you you come and sit here, daniel. you give it a go and see how generic it is. and actually the show before copied me, i did. mine was different to this before it. and also brenda says, about the equality dei said if they're sticking within the equality law then there is no need whatsoever for it . absolutely right. if for it. absolutely right. if they're sticking within the law, we shouldn't need dei sticking within the law. >> but come back to one of your correspondents. there or viewers. all right. in the 19705, it viewers. all right. in the 1970s, it wasn't all right. in the 1970s, we had racism. in the 19705, the 1970s, we had racism. in the 1970s, we had departments full of white men with no women in them. we've got a long way in this country. >> yeah, but we don't need to go that far. no, we don't need to go that far. >> well, we do need to recognise there's an issue. >> no, well, it was an issue, but it's been dealt with quite nicely. and i think at the moment dei has just gone way too far and actually has gone to the extremes and is quite divisive. now, if you're just tuned in, you're with me. i'm nana akua.

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gb news. >> hello. good afternoon, and welcome to gb news. on tv, onune welcome to gb news. on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua here, and for the next two hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine. it's theirs. and of course it's yours . we'll be debating disgusting .we'll be debating disgusting and at times we will disagree. but no one will be cancelled. so joining me today is political. she's not a political commentator. she's an author and a broadcaster. christine hamilton, who's changed it and also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. right coming up nana nigel on eurovision and the

massive fallout. then my outside guests, it's always a mystery. i'll give you some clues throughout the show. plus in clickbait. who is she though? look at that. very nice hair, she's got very famous parents. i'll give you loads more details throughout the show. also there's an incredible clip for click bait. i'll show you bits of that as well throughout the show as well. but up next, let's get your latest . news. get your latest. news. >> good afternoon to you. it's a minute past four. i'm aaron armstrong claims a british israeli hostage has died in gaza. are being urgently investigated by the foreign office. hamas says nadav popplewell , who was kidnapped popplewell, who was kidnapped dunng popplewell, who was kidnapped during the october attack in israel, was injured during an airstrike a month ago. undated footage of the 51 year old with a black eye was also released. the government says it's seeking more information after the terrorist group made the claim. in a video, deputy foreign secretary andrew mitchell is

condemning the actions of hamas . condemning the actions of hamas. >> my heart goes out to the family at this extraordinary time with the barbarism of these appalling terrorists who, have treated , the family in such treated, the family in such a cynical, cruel and heartless , cynical, cruel and heartless, way. and, we must wait for further information to become available. but what an appalling, dreadful experience for this poor family to have to suffer at the hands of this, this absolutely dreadful terrorist organisation . terrorist organisation. >> tory defector natalie elphicke denies she lobbied the justice secretary over her then husband sex offences trial. sir robert buckland claims the mp who crossed the floor to labour this week criticised the case, requested the case be moved to a lower profile court. speaking to the sunday times, he says she was told the request was completely inappropriate. her spokesperson has refuted the allegation, describing it as nonsense. in the mail on sunday, miss elphicke ended the marriage

when her husband was convicted of sexually assaulting two women and he was jailed for two years. at least seven people have been killed and another 17 injured, including two children, after an apartment block collapsed in russia , a state media says russia, a state media says fragments of a ukrainian missile , which were downed by russia's air defence system, landed on the building in the city of belgorod. rescue efforts have been hampered because the roof collapsed, with rubble covering emergency services. they've now resumed their effort in a bid to find survivors . a third man has find survivors. a third man has been arrested on suspicion of murder following a house fire in wolverhampton. emergency services were called to a property in the dunstall hill area at 2 am. yesterday, where two women, both in their 20s, two women, both in their 205, were pronounced dead at the scene . four people were also scene. four people were also injured. police have been granted extra time to question two men arrested yesterday, aged 19 and 22. it's believed they were known to the women. applications have opened for funded childcare and expansion on the government's current

offer for working families. parents of children who are older than nine months from september are now eligible for support. parents of two year olds have been able to access 15 hours of funded care since last month. the full rollout will see support increase to 30 hours a week by september next year. labour has rejected a report claiming its fair pay agreements in social care could cost taxpayers £4.2 billion a year. the party says it wants to empower adult social care professionals . and the trade professionals. and the trade unions that represent them, so they can negotiate better deals. the policy exchange think tank says the total cost of the proposed . proposed. wage rise in 2023 to

24 would have been at least £9.9 billion per year. labour says the claims are based on fiction and they don't reflect party policy and weather warnings for thunderstorms are now in place across the country, with britain's warm spell seemingly ending this afternoon. temperatures are still expected to reach around 27 degrees in central parts of the country any time well around now, before the wet weather begins to roll in later. the met office has issued new alerts for rain in southwest england. heavy downpours expected to hit eastern areas of northern ireland, with a warning in place until 6 am. on tuesday. and if you are doing something else and not watching the screen right stop and the screen right now, stop and pay the screen right now, stop and pay some attention. have a look at this. two skydivers have become the first to navigate their way through tower bridge, wearing wing suits. barely believable, isn't it? the pair from austria jumped from a helicopter and flew through tower bridge, along the thames, eventually reaching a top speed of 152mph before successfully winging their way between the bndge winging their way between the bridge towers. now the stunt followed extensive training in

oxfordshire, which involved the use of cranes to simulate the structure. very impressive . structure. very impressive. >> if i'm feeling good, i'm feeling really good. it was, quite intense. i would say. but, yeah, we were. well prepared and i'm pretty happy now. >> marco . first, the first to do >> marco. first, the first to do it. now, for the latest stories, you can sign up to our alerts on the screen. there's a qr code. our website also have the details. now it's back to . nana. details. now it's back to. nana. >> thank you. aaron. right. it's just coming up to seven minutes after 4:00 if you've just tuned in. welcome this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua now. this was our entry at last night's eurovision song contest from the kisses . song contest from the kisses. >> will you take my hand? it's been round and round till the

moon that never ends. >> tone deaf, embarrassing yet the winner was able to sing on a spinning thing. and still sing in tune like ever. no, i just gave it some thought . gave it some thought. >> now i'm no paradise i broke the code . the code. >> yeah, exactly. but outside a whole different ball game. queers for palestine described on their website as a vibrant, diverse liberation movement that is part of the palestinian anti—colonial movement, rubbed shoulders with the proscribed terrorist organisation. which is odd, really, given the historically bad treatment towards people who are gay by the palestinian government. hamas greta thunberg was hauled away by police as demonstrators clashed with armed riot police outside the final venue in sweden, and yelled shame on you at fans before the show kicked off, greta, a victim of bullying

herself, became the bully by associating her name with a demonstration that saw protesters attacking a police convoy escorting eden golan to eurovision. eden had been holed up in a hotel and unable to leave due to the sheer hatred that surrounded it. as hundreds of protesters gathered outside hurling abuse, their behaviour was not much better. inside she was not much better. inside she was booed. eden golan, israel's entry to eurovision, a 21 year old had to be protected by 100 police on guard outside the venue. yet many of these people purport to be on the side of peace and diversity and inclusion. the caring liberals championing minority groups they police language . yet these are police language. yet these are the scenes people who believe they hold the moral high ground. pretty ugly. but this is just the tip of the iceberg here in the tip of the iceberg here in the uk. these passive aggressive hate marches have been becoming a weekly occurrence , disrupting a weekly occurrence, disrupting businesses and intimidating

jewish people. and the general public. if you dare to stand up against this rabble , who in the against this rabble, who in the whole are purporting supporting a cause that many are ignorant of. >> hamas invaded israel on the 7th of october. what was your initial reaction to that ? initial reaction to that? >> i don't believe they did it though. hamas. i think so. though. hamas. ithink so. i honestly like i think i need to be a bit more clued up on, like everything that's going on. so i feel like i'm not really qualified to answer that too. well. i mean, i'm not sure if i've seen anything that shows that that's actually happened. i've actually cracked . i've actually cracked. >> these are people protesting. yeah so the pro—palestinian protest, and it's not just towards israel. we see this groups like just stop oil and animal rebellion and greenpeace employ these guerrilla tactics all the time , covering rishi all the time, covering rishi sunak house with blankets and protesting outside tobias ahmaud's home. and it seems this behaviour transcends the youth. look at this pair in their 70s, smashing the glass of the magna carta, intimidating passive

aggressive behaviour that often spills out into aggression. is this really freedom of speech ? this really freedom of speech? if that is the case, whose freedom ? well, well. before we freedom? well, well. before we get stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, is it time to ban extreme protests? the government's adviser on political violence is set to recommend banning so—called extreme protest groups like just stop oil and palestine action, due to their use of criminal tactics to achieve their aims. but could this threaten the fundamental right to protest? so if the great british debate this are, i'm asking, is it time to ban extreme protests? then at 450, its worldview will cross live to los angeles to speak to the host of the politics people podcast, paul duddridge, about the latest on donald trump's hush money trial, where the former president has been told he faces going to prison for violating a gag order for the 10th time. then, at five, my outside guests now this week is

an american born singer whose parents the cult television series thunderbirds , stingray series thunderbirds, stingray and captain scarlet. yes. can you guess who this is? that's coming up in the next hour? as ever. coming up in the next hour? as ever . tell me what you coming up in the next hour? as ever. tell me what you think on everything we're discussing, go to gbnews.com forward, slash your say or tweet me @gbnews . your say or tweet me @gbnews. all right. let's get started. let's welcome again to my panel author and broadcaster christine hamilton. and also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. right. i'm going to start with you, christine hamilton. oh nice to see you, christine. >> nice to be here. nana. >> nice to be here. nana. >> so what do you think of all this? did you watch eurovision last night? what do you think? i think you did, yes, no i didn't. i thought you might. you knew? >> no, no no . >> no, no no. >>— >> no, no no. >> few drinks. >> few drinks. >> no. absolutely didn't. i was busy anyway , i was, doesn't busy anyway, i was, doesn't matter what i was doing, but i was busy. >> no . >> no. >> no. >> yeah. oh, well. >> yeah. oh, well. >> all right, well, i'll tell you, we live near the badminton horse trials, so every year we have eight. sometimes nine

people to stay for four days. okay, i know they go off to a pub most nights, but last night i said i would give them dinner. so having got up early yesterday morning to get their breakfast, they all had breakfast at the same time at 8:00. i then did dinner and then i had to be up early this morning. i did not watch eurovision so it's a long answer. >> you should have done that. >> you should have done that. >> i wouldn't have watched it anyway. >> and actually i was. >> and actually i was. >> i was on gb news last night too , so. too, so. >> all right. well, so what do you think of this, then? >> i think, well, you think of this, then? >> i think, well , the whole >> i think, well, the whole thing, i despair of the whole thing. it ought to be. it used to be a wonderful celebration of popular music throughout europe, you know, remember the good old days , cliff richard sandie vara. days, cliff richard sandie vara. >> i don't remember those days. >> i don't remember those days. >> i don't remember those days. >> i remember that not not you must have heard of him. >> oh, i've heard of cliff richard, but i don't remember them all your kisses , johnny logan. >> what's another year for someone who's less box fearsome now? >> yeah, look at it now . >> yeah, look at it now. >> yeah, look at it now. >> it has to be. it's going to take her dress off in a second with a twist. >> you wish. >> you wish. >> this is. this is a family

show. >> that's what they did at bucks fizz, didn't they? >> the skirts. not the full dress. >> no, it has to. >>— >> no, it has to. >> it. >> it. >> it. >> i probably said enough. >> i probably said enough. >> no. carry on. well, it's degenerate it hasn't it. now it's a political thing. the music, i mean, honestly, our british entry, how could we possibly think. just look at the staging. look at the colouring. look, i mean, you know how uninteresting and uninspiring was that? >> i mean, word fail me. >> i mean, word fail me. >> and as he's the fellow who said that, that he thought the union flag was divisive and he wanted to reclaim it. excuse me, so no, i wouldn't. i mean, i think it's ridiculous . and think it's ridiculous. and what's the australia doing in there anyway? apparently they like eurovision , so they've been like eurovision, so they've been allowed to join. >> well, they've got the union, they've got the union flag in their thing and they danny. >> well you know, i think the treatment of this, this young 21 year old israeli, i think it was atrocious. and this is just typical of the liberal left who feel almost like they they have this, this, this impenetrability, impenetrability . don't worry about the moral authority. they're impenetrable .

authority. they're impenetrable. they're impenetrable to any sort of criticism. if they have this moral position and if they're taking like, if you like somebody that's smaller person size, they can be as nasty as they want. that's why people on they want. that's why people on the left will call you a racist or fascist. all of this because they're on the right side and it's better to be safe than sorry. you know, their mantra is better be safe than sorry. ruin someone's life just in case they're they're a baddie and all of that. so. so i felt desperately sorry for this girl when i woke up this morning at 8:00, she was already back in israel. that tells you all you need to know. she should be in. where was it? sweden. she should be in sweden. she should be given press conferences. she should be walking around the fabulous city of malmo. she should be enjoying her moments . should be enjoying her moments. although she didn't win, but everybody else, nobody else would have had to fly back. she won the public vote. she didn't win the international vote. yeah i watched the song. i thought she was brilliant. >> this song was she was brilliant and i presume you saw olly alexander then? >> no, i can't watch that was out of tune. >> no, i can't totally out of tune. the thing was set in a toilet. right. and there's, there's . that's the idea. there there's. that's the idea. there were five other men there and one was hanging upside down. he

was sort of like stroking this guy's chest. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> i sort of thought, you know, if he'd spent more time on the actual vocals rather than the stage, it's not. >> it's not family viewing. i mean, you've got this lad because i saw a bit of it on the telly this morning. you're right. they've got these semi—naked lads writhing around, all effeminate, and they're in a pubuc all effeminate, and they're in a public toilet. it's as if black paint on their tongues, mincing around. it's all. it's not family viewing . family viewing. >> you know who chooses our entry? i mean, who are the complete prat idiots? call them what you like. who? who chose that? did we present us? >> it might have been. >> it might have been. >> it might have been. >> i think it's a public vote. >> i think it's a public vote. >> it's if it's the great british public. well, more fool you is all i can say. >> well, they're not given a very good choice there. let's be honest. and i think when they do it, i don't think they do it sort of like it's a live thing. i think they do it sort of in a way where they've done auto tune or something. so. so it sounds a lot better than he does because honestly, i listened to that. he was his song was in between two incredible singers, and you just thought what a weak, weak vocals was embarrassing. >> we used to have, we used to,

but we used to have heat, didn't we? and people would go and they would go through and cliff richard would emerge. i mean, why can't we go back to that? >> but just to get back to the serious point, you had thousands of people protesting about the presence of 120 year old israeli woman. and that's what collective punishment is about. they basically are collectively punishing all israelis. they basically are collectively punishing all israelis . and punishing all israelis. and nobody knows her view on zionism. no one, nobody knows her view on the palestinian conflict, but they are assuming that she's a baddie. and because the because she's in that bubble of being a baddie, they could be as horrible as they want to her. >> but that is the problem with an awful lot of anti—jewish feeling. they don't care about the person, they just. they're jewish. i hate them, they're wrong . they're terrible. that is wrong. they're terrible. that is the problem. that's the ignorance. that is the. >> i think even worse is that they actually think they hold they actually think they hold the moral high ground. so because they feel that anything goes so they can call you whatever they want, they can smash up police cars. they can. oh, we're because of the peace. listen this is a war. that's what happens in war. it's awful . what happens in war. it's awful. but let's not forget october the

7th. and actually, if hamas surrendered, gave back the hostages and stopped firing missiles over to israel, then this would all be over. >> also, no jewish people were safe to walk around malmo, and obviously it's centred on on the singer. but no jewish people were able to go and take part. and you saw the clip just now. somebody asked those two people who were protesting, did they think they didn't even know what i mean? they don't even know we're talking about god. that sums it up. >> well, that's the worst bit about it all. lot of these people on these hate marches, which i will call them that, because that's what it looks like to me. don't know what they're protesting about. they don't even get it. so if you're just tuned in 17 minutes after 4:00, this is gb news on tv, onune 4:00, this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana. okay, coming up, worldview. we'll cross over to america to get the latest on what's going on there. but next it's what's going on there. but next wsfime what's going on there. but next it's time for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, is it time to ban extreme protest ? i've got a poll extreme protest? i've got a poll up right now on x asking you that very question. is it time to ban extreme protest? get in touch with gbnews.com/yoursay. tell me what you think on

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20 minutes after 4:00. welcome aboard. if you're just tuned in, where have you been? it's fine. you're here now. there's. you're forgiven. this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. before the break, we talked a little bit about the eurovision, what does james saying? james says. oh, yes. we also talked about protest . james also talked about protest. james says poor sad little saint greta. after failing to convince anyone with a brain of her delusionary climate change scam, she has now had to find a new cause. so she's moved on to promoting and supporting islamic terrorism. instead, she'd probably argue that she's promoting peace, but to be honest, i mean , you saw the honest, i mean, you saw the marches, right? it's time for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, is it time to ban extreme protest, so called extreme protest groups like just stop oil and palestine action could soon be banned under proposals put forward by the government's adviser on

political violence, lord walden. this upcoming report defines such groups as those which routinely use criminal tactics to try to achieve their aims, and condemns them for using such tactics that create mayhem and hold the public and workers to ransom without fear of consequence. however whilst the home office has said it will consider the proposals once they've been published , just they've been published, just stop oil condemned them, saying the government, with a real dangerous radicals who were endangenng dangerous radicals who were endangering us all with their climate policies. crikey, they would say that , wouldn't they? would say that, wouldn't they? so the great british debate this houn so the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, is it time to ban extreme protests? but before we get into that, let's cross live to malmo in sweden. i'd have a quick catch up with jubilee news reporter charlie peters , after yesterday's peters, after yesterday's protest, charlie . protest, charlie. >> hi there. nana. well, it's much calmer here today as eden golan, the israeli contestant, has now flown back to tel aviv. calm has returned to malmo because the israeli contestant is no longer in town . there were

is no longer in town. there were significant protests here all week on the back of her being here and competing in the eurovision semi—finals, and indeed the grand final. last night we saw over 10,000, possibly 12,000 protesters at the semi—final on thursday, including greta thunberg, the environmentalist protester who, as you've mentioned, has now recently attached herself to the pro—police protests as well. but last night , the march moving last night, the march moving from the centre of the town here, just 24 hours ago, this street leading into the main square was absolutely heaving with all sorts of groups . we with all sorts of groups. we were live with you at the time, nana, as many people were trying to shut down the gb news broadcast as groups move through that location, we did see some extremist flags within that march. one group called the popular front for the liberation of palestine was involved. that group has actually banned in the us, canada, japan and the european union. it's a

proscribed terrorist organisation. and yet some of its former and serving members were on the march. one member spoke to me and said that he was happy to be there and wasn't concerned about showing the flag on the march . we also heard some on the march. we also heard some rather extreme slogans being distributed and chanted on the march, but the real concern came later on the evening at the start of the eurovision concert, when the final kicked off, we did see some of those protesters that we recognised on that march migrate over to the arena about 15 minutes south of the city where the final's taking place , where the final's taking place, and that's where the scuffles with the police occurred. several arrests , pepper spray several arrests, pepper spray deployed, and that's when it really kicked off. and it was a sour start to what has been a contentious , contentious competition. >> charlie peters, thank you very much. he's there live in malmo, discussing eurovision. well so let's just discuss let's debate. joining me conservative life peer lord daniel moylan, former liberal democrat mp norman baker , former aide stella norman baker, former aide stella suzuki are almost there . tractor

suzuki are almost there. tractor crew and broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy. well come right. i'm going to start with you, stella. you saw what happened. look, these protesters, they're supposedly good, supposedly protesting for peace, but yet their means, their behaviour is somewhat questionable. questionable? but if it's non—violent, then it was. though it was violent, some of it wasn't . it really? so of it wasn't. it really? so there is already enough law to, prosecute people who engage in criminal activity as far as the pubucis criminal activity as far as the public is concerned, for most people, they believe that there is a difference between violent criminal activity and non—violent criminal activity, and people should have the right to protest democratically for important causes that have an impact on everyone. >> now, what is very interesting with this report is that it was leaked to the press over the weekend. we've been waiting. this report has been in the making for three years now, and i'm curious as to why it got leaked during the eurovision song contest and whether people

thought that, oh, you know, people are going to be angry and annoyed at protesters right now. so this is a good opportunity for us to gather support for this report. now, i'm worried about this because what it means is people will be blindsided and they will think i find the pro—palestine protesters annoying. so yes, i want them to be banned as if they are a terrorist group, because that's what the recommendation that was leaked to the press is suggesting , which leaked to the press is suggesting, which is very short sighted because you may disagree with this group now, but two, three, five, ten years down the line, there may be a group that is protesting something that you consider to be important for your rights for and your life. >> but these are sort of like, you know, this is going over the top. i mean, it's like almost violent protest. lizzie cundy, welcome . what are you. welcome. what are you. >> well, yes, i'm all for freedom of speech and the right to protest, but we have to protest with responsibility and that isn't happening at the moment . moment. >> that my i myself got caught up in the palestine marches. i was terrified, they were singing

hate chants. i asked the police for help and the actual policeman said, look, i'm scared to do anything at the minute because that's going to cause more trouble. this is where we're at and we've seen what's happened at eurovision. i'm so sorry to have that poor israeli contestant have to have 100 police and, supervision with her the whole time. she was, like, imprisoned there at the eurovision . she couldn't leave eurovision. she couldn't leave her hotel because there was over 20,000 protesters outside her actual hotel, and they were burning flags, you know, singing these awful chants. and it was disturbing . it's dangerous. it's disturbing. it's dangerous. it's got out of hand. and something needs to be done before someone gets seriously hurt , but there's gets seriously hurt, but there's this argument about freedom of speech, this is the issue here, norman, that people are saying freedom of speech , freedom of freedom of speech, freedom of speech, which is almost a license for them to behave in this manner. >> well, it has been said there are already a wide range in this country of criminal law which can be used to deal with people

who break the law . the who break the law. the government, the present government, the present government has enhanced those by, for example, introducing the offence of locking on so people who are trespassing the law can be arrested and charged and they are arrested and charged. and that's the correct way of deaung that's the correct way of dealing with things. i think it's very dangerous indeed to start bracketing protest groups with terrorist organisations, as has been done in this occasion. there's such a difference between climbing a building and unfurling a flag, and on the one hand, and blowing a building up on the other hand. they are completely different matters of fact. they should not be linked. >> there are different levels of extreme behaviour. one is obviously more damaging than the other . but where do you draw the other. but where do you draw the line? i mean, extreme behaviour is extreme behaviour and it needs to be dealt with. daniel well , i think needs to be dealt with. daniel well, i think stella and norman are deliberately muddying the waters here. >> the question is not is there, are there mechanisms for prosecuting people who commit crimes? because of course there are. the question here is should

an organisation that promotes crime as part of its activities , crime as part of its activities, should an organisation that is itself a criminal conspiracy be banned? and the answer to that must surely be yes. and then there is the separate part to there is the separate part to the question. of course, we haven't seen the report we're going on reports of the report. but if the second part of it appears to be that organisations that cause massive disruption should also be banned . and i should also be banned. and i actually think that's true. and there's no conflict with the right to protest. you can you can protest by writing a letter to your member of parliament. there's a whole range of things you can do if you want to protest about something, but holding up, ruining and destroying other people's lives who are not involved in it is . who are not involved in it is. exactly. it's like the secondary picketing we used to have in the trade union movement, until mrs. thatcher put an end to it, and nobody would want to bring that back. >> well, i mean, you've heard what daniel said. you could argue that these organisations are like criminal organisations just to boil there. they're

doing criminal damage. >> and that's that's precisely the problem. a lot like that would allow the government to basically paint a whole group of activists, a whole group of people who care about an issue out of the actions of a handful of people in that organisation themselves. >> so they didn't actually promote crime throughout. they should be a protest movement that didn't promote crimes throughout history , throughout throughout history, throughout history, throughout history, protest , not a successful protest, not a successful protesting, which has given us a lot of the rights that we enjoy today, has happened through protest that is inconvenient to the wider public. >> this is the way, and we may not always agree. we may not always like it, but writing to your mp5 is fine. but people should have the right and indeed they do that and they continue to show. >> but there's a difference between being inconvenient and an actual criminal damage. >> i mean, lizzie cundy, they will be prosecuted if they have, but they're not, are they. >> they're getting. but then people who put them up to it. lizzie cundy, lizzie cundy, we have to realise that these

people are aren't protesting with responsibility . with responsibility. >> we saw two elderly ladies with hammers in their handbag trying to destroy the magna carta. what world are we living in? how much more dangerous can that be? and and just because they're two old ladies, are we supposed to say, oh, no, let's let them get away with it? no. i'm sorry, we have to do something and do something now. it's getting out of hand, norman, final word to you, because it seems like people are just doing stuff because they don't think there are any real consequences. >> i mean, like these two little old biddies, bless their hearts. estella said that she thought they were. well. well, stella said she thought they were adorable. >> norm, if this if this law had been around 100 years ago. whereabouts would have been arresting and banning suffragettes who got for women. so let's be very clear about this. we believe in this country and freedom of assembly and freedom of speech. this channel believes in freedom of assembly and freedom of speech. and yet this report, if the leak is correct, would say a group's actions were persistent and used to promote a political or ideological cause that would count against them, that could

count against them, that could count the political parties freedom of speech. >> i mean, you can say or do whatever you like because the laws on it means that within a democracy that freedom is limited by the agreement of the democracy. and we'll tell you where where the line is. and if you continuously cross it, which i think many of these protests do, then you absolutely should be prosecuted. and there should be prosecuted. and there should be a law against it. that's my view. but what do you think? i'm going too quickly. yes or no? from you, daniel, what do you think our question is? is it time to make tighter laws against freedom of speech? >> daniel, i don't think i don't regard this as a freedom of speech issue, but i do think that these demonstrations need to be brought within bounds. >> is it time to ban extreme protests, then? yes or no? daniel, i, i'm with what i've read of the report so far. >> yeah, yeah . >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> norman baker same to, you know, estella over my dead body. we may have to kill you. and also lizzie cundy . also lizzie cundy. >> most definitely. yes. right. >> most definitely. yes. right. >> thank you so much for your thoughts, lizzie cundy. stella taxidou . thank you. q i was taxidou. thank you. q i was almost there also. norman baker

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good afternoon. it's 39 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. right. it's time now for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, is it time to ban extreme protests, so called extreme protest groups like just stop oil, palestine action may well soon be under proposals which have been put forward by the government's adviser to be banned due to political violence, lord walden. this upcoming report defines such groups as those which routinely use criminal criminal tactics to try to achieve their aims , and condemns them for aims, and condemns them for using such measures, create

mayhem and hold the public and workers to ransom without fear of consequence. so what do you think are your thoughts? just stop oil? should they be condemned for these sort of protests? is this the right thing to do, let's see what your thoughts are. so joining me now for the great british debate. i'm asking, is it time to ban extreme protests ? let's see what extreme protests? let's see what my panel make of that. i'm joined by author and broadcaster christine hamilton, also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. danny kelly, i think it is. >> i think if there's any criminal activity , then you criminal activity, then you know, the answer is there in front of our eyes. you know, if they're breaking the law, then they're breaking the law, then the old billy got his start lifting and plods, got to go in. i've just seen on the television for the benefit of those listening on the radio. you saw all of the just stop oil divs sitting down, grinding london to a complete standstill . you know, a complete standstill. you know, they're preaching to the converted. the majority of people would say, yes, okay, we understand and we empathise with what you're trying to achieve. but please let me get to work. you know, there's an ambulance back there and i know you've got a blue light policy, but that blue light policy is completely irrelevant because before that ambulance can get here, there's 600 cars blocking your way.

>> christine hamilton. >> christine hamilton. >> well , >> christine hamilton. >> well, enough is enough. everybody goes on about the freedom to protest , etc, etc. freedom to protest, etc, etc. and people's rights. of course, we all accept that were british for heaven's sake. of course, in this country, basically the freedom to protest is absolute unless people take it to extreme. and we've had this. they're a mob, frankly weak after week after week for months. and enough is enough. so there is time. for example, take one small example, which i understand is in lord walney . i understand is in lord walney. i think his name is. he's a ex—labour mp, one thing in his report is that face masks should be banned because people are not allowing their identity to be seen because they've got face masks on. so the police don't know who they are, so they can't prosecute people for clear criminal behaviour. now that is a small thing that ought to be done. my fear is that a the civil service will water it down and b labour won't implement it when the time comes , because when the time comes, because there'll be a government. well, yes, of course it's time we've got . got. >> james has been in touch with his thoughts. he says very few

hamas terrorist supporters are out marching yesterday, which is amazing , because it was hot, amazing, because it was hot, scorching weekend. i think he's talking about here in the uk. not out there. trump obviously they are not hamas supporting. lots of them would argue. they're arguing for they're fighting for peace, let's see trump's any marching for those poor persecuted palestinian people we can see right through their pathetic virtue signalling does come across as virtue signalling. a lot of that, i mean, especially the staff at eurovision. >> well, it's interesting you mentioned the masks and the inquiry by lord. what's his name again? walney navalny mentions the masks. john woodcock, his name is so pertinent because why are you covering your face? you don't want rid of . you don't don't want rid of. you don't want to be embarrassed and humiliated when the daily mail take a photo of it, or you don't want to have your door kicked in at 4:00 in the morning by the met police, when they identify, there's no no reason to wear covid mask nowadays. you know, when i see someone driving a car with a covid mask walking down the street, it's hilarious. what the street, it's hilarious. what the hell are you doing? i know, i remember once seeing someone with the covid mask driving in

the convertible car on the motorway, on the motorway with the hood down. >> occasionally i would give forgive me any older person, little old lady who's got a mask on. i would think maybe she's frail, maybe she's vulnerable. trotting around the supermarket wants to keep the mask. but basically, i agree with you. it's utterly well, if it makes someone feel better, then fair enough. >> although, to be fair, although it may not have, the particles for covid were too small to be protected with a mask. actually some other ailments you were protected from, i suppose. so there was something good. but listen, this show's nothing. getting on your views. yes you are. you are indeed. views. yes you are. you are indeed . let's welcome one of our indeed. let's welcome one of our great british voices. this is your opportunity to be on the show and tell us what you really think about the topics we're discussing. where should we go? >> oh, the homer carpets. >> oh, the homer carpets. >> why not kidderminster carpets? mr reid, john reid , is carpets? mr reid, john reid, is it time to ban extreme protests? what do you think, john? >> yeah, i think a lot about it. nana first of all, i'm broadly in agreement with what both of your guests are saying today. >> i think they're somewhere near right . near right. >> however, i would i would say

that it depends on the word extreme , doesn't it? extreme, doesn't it? >> if you if the government are allowing situations to be qualified or in the eyes of the protesters , as, as extreme, protesters, as, as extreme, who's going to do something about it? >> you know , who do you think >> you know, who do you think would would try and stop the protest when the prisoners revolted a few years back and got up on the roof of the prison and spent a few days up on strangeways in manchester and others . you know, it's all very others. you know, it's all very well saying to ban these things, but we are a free country. we have got free speech and it comes down to who's going to implement the ban. so yeah, i'm broadly in agreement. i think you've got to draw the line somewhere. but where the line is drawn and where it's investigated , where people are investigated, where people are forced to do something about it. i think that's debateable personally. >> thank you very much, john reid. interesting views as well. thank you so much. that's john reid in kidderminster. right. well if you just join me, welcome. this is gb news on tv onune welcome. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio coming up in the next hour, my great british debate. i'm asking natalie elphicke a labour asset or liability. but next world

view will cross live to los angeles to speak to the host of the politics people podcast, paul duddridge. we'll get the latest on donald trump's legal woes, as the former president has threatened with prison for violating a gagging order for the 10th time. do not go anywhere

- i so, -- so, 49 minutes after 4:00. welcome. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. the people's channel. i'm nana akua . well, it's been another akua. well, it's been another week. a big week in the us for. and who better to talk to us? well, it's time for worldview now , the host of the politics now, the host of the politics people podcast, paul duddridge, joins us. oh, here we go, here we go. right. so paul, donald trump found in contempt for violating a gag order for the 10th time. so this isn't the £9000 or $9000 that he paid before. this is another time. now, some people are claiming that he actually wants to go to

jail now. >> yeah. so since we spoke, we spoke last week and it's just it's deja vu all over again . so it's deja vu all over again. so last week i told you he was done for a ninth time and that, he got a $9,000 fine for that , now, got a $9,000 fine for that, now, just after we spoke, he got done for the 10th time for, for, breaking this gag order. now, there is a school of thought , there is a school of thought, andifs there is a school of thought, and it's honestly, i think it's, it's got some credibility that he's trying to go to jail. he wants to be jailed because the judge keeps threatening it. and if you think about when he, did his mugshot in georgia , it broke his mugshot in georgia, it broke the internet. he's always got an eye to this . he wants to go full eye to this. he wants to go full mandela. basically, he wants to actually now be jailed because he calls this election interference . it would interference. it would definitely show up. all these proceedings , as potentially proceedings, as potentially election interference and so he's i mean, he is now talking about it this is the thing this isn't just my speculation, which

isn't just my speculation, which is getting me into trouble all the time. you know, he said this week in one of his speeches, it's like, well, look, if i have to go to jail to protect my first amendment rights, then so be it. i'm paraphrasing, but that's the that's where he's at. and i don't think it's the worst strategy i've ever heard . his strategy i've ever heard. his supporters would just go through the roof. it would be hilarious. so yes, we think that trump could very possibly be, trying to get himself jailed for contempt. it'll only be for 24 hours. and they're talking about if it happened, he might have to go to rikers, which is hilarious as a notorious new york prison. >> well, you see, but what about if you just go to jail? >> could he conduct his election campaign from there ? because are campaign from there? because are the elections in november? so he could be in jail for how long would he go to jail for ? would he go to jail for? >> let's just say let's just say he was put in jail and let's say he was put in jail and let's say he was put in jail and let's say he was in jail till, february next year. not only could he conduct his campaign from there, he would still legally be able

to take on the office of president. the constitution is a wonderful thing. he could actually be in a prison cell with the secret service nearby and be the president. so his campaign, he i mean, can he conduct it from a jail cell? he's currently conducting it from a new york courtroom . he from a new york courtroom. he did a rally in new jersey on saturday night. now new jersey is supposed to be a democrat state. it's supposed to be deep blue. he had the reports are at minimum 80,000 people there. they're talking about it as the biggest political rally in new jersey history. he did this on saturday night . the obviously saturday night. the obviously the republicans claim it's 80,000 people and above. the democrats say there was about 11 people there. but he's campaigning so successfully from the courtroom that he's now just doing stuff on his doorstep. he p0ps doing stuff on his doorstep. he pops over to new jersey, gets a crowd of 80,000. i think it's more like 100,000. and he's also now now you know my fears about him being behind in all the battleground states and the sort of six decided he's this week. the polls show he's ahead in

every single one of them. so he's like , look, it's typical he's like, look, it's typical trumpism. he's finding that all the impediments they throw at him, all the interference as he seesit him, all the interference as he sees it being thrown at him, it's actually improving his campaign . so yes, not only could campaign. so yes, not only could he campaign, he could technically be president from a jail cell. >> so after this, this thing, because this is a stormy daniels run right after this is at the end of the legal shenanigans. or are they more cases that have been brought against him that he needs to fight ? needs to fight? >> this is the great thing. so this is it's been a great week this is it's been a great week this week okay. he's got the georgia case. the fani willis georgia case. the fani willis georgia case. the fani willis georgia case and the, court in georgia case and the, court in georgia has agreed to hear his appeal to have fani willis removed from the case, that she shouldn't be allowed to prosecute him. okay that means that it was supposed to start, i believe, on may 20th. i think it was may 20th. it's over. that thing is over. nothing's going to happen now in georgia until after the election . then you've after the election. then you've got the documents case. i could have got the dates mixed up.

then you've got the documents case. the. he's supposed to have had the secret stolen documents in florida. this is being prosecuted at the federal level that has now been absolutely vacated indefinitely. the judge is saying it's vacated indefinitely, basically delayed because there's so many other considerations and factors. so he's not going to we're not going to see him prosecuted in court or tried in court for those two cases. so they're gone . stormy. even if he's found guilty of stormy , he will guilty of stormy, he will immediately lodge an appeal. as far as the campaign is concerned, this week ended all the legal, impediments to his campaign because even if he's found guilty with stormy, he will immediately appeal. that will immediately appeal. that will kick it into the long grass. so this week has been he has cleared up all the legal problems that he's been experiencing. the establishment is going to keep throwing stuff at him, but he sort of doesn't care and it's working to his benefit. now so, it's been a great week for him legally . he great week for him legally. he i mean, he has to go through what how long would another 4 or 5

weeks of the stormy daniels thing. then he's off the leash, then he's free. wow. >> off the leash. then he's free. donald trump unleashed. paul duddridge, thank you so much. always a pleasure. host of the politics people podcast. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'll be joined by my outside guest very, very shortly, an american born singer. but who is she? stay tuned to find out. after five. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello! welcome to your gb news weather update brought to you by the met office for the outlook dryer in this, but turning unsettled in the west and also feeling cooler as we go into monday. so high pressure is going to be moving its way eastwards. we do have some weather fronts that's bringing a focus for some showers or longer spells of rain through the rest of today, and we do have some warnings in force as well for thunder . storm thunderstorms are thunder. storm thunderstorms are going to be pushing their way

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gb news. >> good afternoon. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headunes the big topics hitting the headlines right now . coming up, headlines right now. coming up, my outside guest is a singer and actress , as well as being the actress, as well as being the daughter of the creators of thunderbirds . you remember, can thunderbirds. you remember, can you guess who she is yet? then for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking natalie elphicke , a labour asset or elphicke, a labour asset or liability and what's happening in this clip ? lady running well, in this clip? lady running well, what's she going to do? find out in clip bait. but first, let's get your latest news with aaron

armstrong . armstrong. >> very good evening to you. it is 5:00 i'm aaron armstrong. the uk says it would support a two state solution in the middle east. when the time is right. the comments from the deputy foreign secretary come as israel has launched fresh air strikes in northern gaza. the military operation to prevent hamas from regrouping. it's warned civilians there and also in rafah in the south, to relocate earlier , the terrorist group earlier, the terrorist group posted a video claiming a british israeli hostage , nadav british israeli hostage, nadav popplewell, has died after being injured in an airstrike last month. the government says it's urgently seeking more information. let's hear from andrew mitchell and the deputy foreign secretary. >> it is right to recognise , >> it is right to recognise, palestine as a state at the united nations at the right time, and that doesn't have to be at the end of the process for peace, it can be as part of

those negotiations and britain will support palestine, becoming, a state at the un when we feel the time is right. that isn't now, but it may, as i say, be before the end of the peace process . process. >> process. >> to de facto, natalie elphicke denies she lobbied the justice secretary over her then husband's sex offences trial. sir robert buckland claims the mp, who crossed the floor to laboun mp, who crossed the floor to labour, requested the case be moved to a lower profile court. speaking to the sunday times, he says she was told the request was completely inappropriate. her spokesperson has refuted the accusation, describing it as nonsense as well. as elphicke ended the marriage when her husband was convicted of sexually assaulting two women and jailed for two years. at least seven people have been killed and 17 injured, including two children, after an apartment block collapsed in russia , state block collapsed in russia, state media says fragments of a ukrainian missile, which were downed by russia's air defence system, landed on the building

in the city of belgorod. rescue efforts were hampered when the roof also collapsed, with rubble covering emergency crews . they covering emergency crews. they have now resumed their work in a bid to find more survivors . a bid to find more survivors. a third man has been arrested on suspicion of murder following a house fire in wolverhampton. emergency services were called to a property in the dunstall hill area at 2 am. yesterday where two women, both in their 20s, where two women, both in their 205, were where two women, both in their 20s, were pronounced where two women, both in their 205, were pronounced dead at the scene. four people were also injured. police have been granted extra time to question two men arrested yesterday, aged 19 and 22. it's thought they were known to the women . were known to the women. applications have opened for funded childcare, an expansion on the government's current offer for working families . offer for working families. parents of children who are older than nine months from september are now eligible for support. parents of two year olds have been able to access 15 hours of funded childcare since last month, while the full rollout will see support increase to 30 hours a week by september next year. labour has rejected a report claiming its

fair pay agreements in social care could cost taxpayers £4.2 billion a year. the party says it wants to empower adult social care professionals and the trade unions that represent them, so they can negotiate better deals . they can negotiate better deals. the policy exchange think tank says the total cost of the proposed wage rise in 2023 to 24 would have been at least £9.9 billion per year. labour says the claims are based on fiction and don't reflect party policy , and don't reflect party policy, and don't reflect party policy, and weather warnings for thunderstorms are now in place across the country, with britain's warm spell ending this afternoon when temperatures are still expected to reach around 27 degrees any time around. now in central parts of the country. but the wet weather is coming, the met office has issued fresh alerts for rain in south west england, with heavy downpours expected in some areas of northern ireland. a warning is in place there until 6 am. on tuesday , and two skydivers have

tuesday, and two skydivers have become the first to navigate their way through tower bridge wearing wing suits. their way through tower bridge wearing wing suits . while the wearing wing suits. while the pair from austria jumped from a helicopter and flew across the river thames, reaching a top speed of 152mph before successfully winging their way between the two bridge towers . between the two bridge towers. it followed extensive training in oxfordshire, which involved the use of cranes to simulate the use of cranes to simulate the structure . the structure. >> i'm feeling good. i'm feeling really good. it was, quite intense. i would say . really good. it was, quite intense. i would say. but, yeah, we were well prepared and i'm pretty happy now. >> incredible stuff. right sign up to gb news alerts if you want more on all of our stories. the code is on your screen or the details are on gb news. com slash alerts. now it's back to .

nana. >> thank you aaron. it's fast approaching six minutes after 5:00. this is gb news on tv onune 5:00. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now . this the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs, and of course it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing and at times we will disagree , but no one will be disagree, but no one will be cancelled. so joining me today is broadcaster and journalist danny kelly, also broadcaster and author christine hamilton. still to come. each sunday at five, i'm joined by a celebrity, a former mp or someone who's had an extremely interesting life to take a look at. life after the job. we talk highs, lows and lessons learnt and what comes next on the outside. and today my guest is a singer, an actress as well as being the daughter of the creators of thunderbirds , the creators of thunderbirds, she's had a critically acclaimed uk hit . but who do she's had a critically acclaimed uk hit. but who do you think she could be then for the great british debate this hour? i'm asking natalie elphicke, a labour asset or liability ? the labour asset or liability? the newly defected labour mp for dover might prove to be more

trouble than she's worth, because starmers labour party, his own backbenchers, seem to think so. for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, what do you think, natalie elphicke, a labour asset or liability? as ever, get in touch in the neutral way gbnews.com/yoursay or tweet me @gbnews . so every sunday, just @gbnews. so every sunday, just after five, i'm joined by a celebrity, a former mp, or someone who's had an extremely interesting career to take a look at. life after the job. we talk highs, lows , lessons learnt talk highs, lows, lessons learnt and what comes next on the outside. and this week my guest was born in mississippi. how many s's, how many p's in america? coming to london as a child. now she's the daughter of the famous husband and wife team who created the cult television series the thunderbirds, stingray and captain scarlet. now she appeared in numerous television and theatre productions across the uk and worked alongside legendary actors and performers, and she's returned to singing with her

highly acclaimed album love in a dark place, been widely and favourably reviewed in the national press and played on radio stations throughout the country. so who is she? well, did you get it? i'm joined by singer and actress d anderson d welcome. we didn't give them any visual clues. just your face with hair and then a blurred out thing. but there were a lot of audio clues and i've got to say d wow, what an interesting life you've had. on d wow, what an interesting life you've had. oh thank you. so talk to me. you were born in america. yeah in mississippi. you were young when you came to this country. how old were you? >> i was about five. so i was actually i remember it vaguely, but i have been back. but, i've. i'm settled. i'm a london girl. really? yeah. so i'm settled here. but i do like going back there. and i love going to memphis because it's full of amazing memories. and the music is of course, fantastic, of course. and i love that the influences of music in memphis is brilliant. >> i can imagine as well. is brilliant. >> i can imagine as well . yeah. >> i can imagine as well. yeah. and your parents now, your parents, they weren't just like,

i mean , average parents were. i mean, average parents were. they were creators of this. so what was it like as a child growing up, did you get involved in much of the things they were doing? >> well, it's weird because i think because , you know, your think because, you know, your parents, you're always embarrassed about your parents, aren't you , as you're growing aren't you, as you're growing up.and aren't you, as you're growing up. and so i sort of didn't really talk about them to my friends at school, but suddenly it became very cool, and they were everywhere. and suddenly , were everywhere. and suddenly, especially with thunderbirds, it was a real phenomenon . and, and was a real phenomenon. and, and i just so enjoyed the whole sort of experience of meeting people. we met a lot of celebrities, actually. >> who was the most famous person that you met or the most the one that you were most starstruck by? because even though your parents were very kind of famous in their own way for what they were doing. yes. and you were probably getting more famous. i'm sure you were doing stuff. yeah, i was, yeah. so. but who is the most the person that's left you starstruck? for me, it's andrew pierce. i love working with him. yes he's so good. he's a legend. i can't believe i'm working with him. but actually shirley bassey. >> really? yeah. she came to our

house for tea and she was so amazing, so charismatic and i remember her as a kid putting her hand up like that . you know, her hand up like that. you know, when she used to do all the amazing actions and she still does them, she still does them. and i always thought, oh, wow, i want to be a singer. and actually, i think maybe that was why i pursued that sort of, the music scene . music scene. >> really now? thunderbirds. i can remember when i was very young. yeah and i was like, oh god, not this again. because on a sunday it would come on, and then it would literally felt like it would take over the entire afternoon. everyone was watching it. i mean, i don't know, i personally didn't really like it because i was like, it was on for so long. they literally your parents literally took over. >> they did. they totally took oven >> they did. they totally took over. and i had to watch it, of course, of course. so that was a bit of a, you know, a downer for me. but i kind of loved lady penelope. oh yeah. and my mum told me that it was based on my mother's looks . i mean, she

mother's looks. i mean, she looked exactly like lady penelope. really? yeah and apparently my eyes so . apparently my eyes so. >> oh, really? so lady penelope's got your eyes? yes, she has . where are those? where she has. where are those? where are those puppets now? because i know they must be worth a fortune . do you have any of them? >> i have got a. yeah, i've got a lady. penelope >> you've got lady penelope. >> you've got lady penelope. >> yeah i have, there's another one with mary turner, who is still alive at 90, and she's amazing and she's sculpted it under my mother's creative eye. and she she's they're magical . and she she's they're magical. the puppets, you know, the originals are magical. and i have to say, i mean, my parents didn't realise that they were going to last so long. they just thought it was going to be a puppet series. but it's like, you know, a national sort of, you know, a national sort of, you know, a national sort of, you know, treasure, isn't it cult? >> isn't it really? it's a big it was a big series at the time, and there were people who were just so into it. it was absolutely incredible. it really is being part of the creation of that. so what were you doing

dunng that. so what were you doing during this time and how was your career progressed? >> well, actually, i mean, i was growing up with thunderbirds and i really did , you know, want to i really did, you know, want to go into sort of acting and singing. i think singing is my first love. music has always been my first love. my grandparents. i spent a lot of time with because of course, my parents were always working. and so we were always around the piano , you know, singing songs, piano, you know, singing songs, and they were always putting me in for competitions as i was growing up, which i used to win. >> of course you would. absolutely. >> apart from one year when actually i didn't win, i came second. >> i bet you're angry with that. very furious. yes, absolutely . very furious. yes, absolutely. now you've done quite a lot of things. yeah, you've recently returned to singing. yes. and you've been doing with an album, love in a dark place. yeah. what is that about? >> well, love and a dark place was something that was a sort of personal, kind of journey for me. and so i just, i wanted it to be very, sort of eclectic and

wanted to have a combination of, they say i won the award for the best jazz artist, but i didn't want to just sing jazz . i wanted want to just sing jazz. i wanted to sing, you know, different sort of genres of music. and so that was very well received. i'm now actually planning a very big tour combining my legacy with music, which is probably going to launch around about september, october, and i'm also producing a film , i've got tony producing a film, i've got tony mchale, who is a fabulous screenwriter who's doing the screenplay for my mother's life. so a lot is happening towards the end of the year, i of course, as you said before, nana, you know, wonderbird , that nana, you know, wonderbird, that is our celebrity chat show. we talk to a lot of celebrities on that. yeah. >> now talk to me about a bit more about that, because people may not know it, but this was something that you set up during the pandemic.

>> yeah. the pandemic. >> yeah. the pandemic. >> well, why did you set it up? how was the pandemic for you? >> debbie arnold's idea, she's a very close friend of mine, and she she's fantastic. and so she and i got together, sherrie hewson and harriet thorpe , hewson and harriet thorpe, harriet's now in eastenders. and sherrie, of course, you know, is a is a very big star, the four of us started it off on the eve of us started it off on the eve of lockdown, and we've had millions of viewers on youtube, and now we've got it on to a sky channel and we interview big celebrities and inspirational people. but also it's very good because it's a platform for people who want to talk about stuff. so you know, mental health issues, female sort of. and diversity. we're not political , but we, we talk about political, but we, we talk about stuff that people actually want to want to wear, and we're now just about to launch a beauty show on the same platform. so we've had millions of people and we're now going on to sky.

>> that's quite incredible, isn't it, that this has come from an idea, but then your, youn from an idea, but then your, your, your, your parents daughter, which is no surprise, you should be doing that sort of thing. yeah, exactly. what was the pandemic like for you? because a lot of people really struggled. i mean, i, i enjoyed parts of it the first few lockdowns, i thought, oh, this is great. yeah, i still had to work, but it just felt like everything was calmer and it wasn't. the stress was gone. and yeah, but then towards the end it's like, what? again, i know why there's a vaccine. >> second time around was hard wasn't it? >> second time around was hard ish. but when they tried i was like, well, you've got a vaccine, what's the point? if you're what's the point if you've got the vaccine? it's supposed to work, right? yeah, absolutely. >> well, we launched on the eve of lockdown and we did like four shows a week at that time. richard arnold, bless him , did a richard arnold, bless him, did a lot of shows with us. we had very big celebrities actually wanting to come and join us, like gok wan and, you know, loads of amazing paul o'grady , loads of amazing paul o'grady, bless him before he died. but fantastic, fantastic people . fantastic, fantastic people. suzi quatro is a regular and

because we talked about stuff that nobody else really wanted to talk about, people were really well, they actually said it changed their lives. yeah or really helped them through the pandemic. so we felt we'd done something really good, very, you know, positive . yeah. know, positive. yeah. >> and of course it's still going to be on the sky platform very soon. it was on a sky platform now. and your other other thing is going on on the sky platform as well. now, the show also features guest celebrities from the world of tv and film, from the girls little black book of contacts. so what does that mean ? these are all does that mean? these are all your big contacts you're getting on this show. >> well, a lot of people we know already, between us, we know sort of most people in the industry. and so we phone them and say, come on, come on and talk about stuff. and, and they, they always say yes. and but there are people now who are coming to us wanting to be on because they know that, you know, we're not going to expose them . we're not know, we're not going to expose them .we're not going to be do them. we're not going to be do anything detrimental . we're it's anything detrimental. we're it's anything detrimental. we're it's a very positive vibe.

>> it's not gotcha tv like some of them, they just want to get you on there and go, gotcha. exactly that question we're going to get you. yeah. so if people want to find out more about you and of course, all the stuff you're doing, do you have a website? >> i do dee anderson co .uk and amazing thunderbirds .com, and you can see all the shows on there and, and watch this space for the tour, which is very exciting. >> oh, i'd love it if you could spell out a little tune now . spell out a little tune now. >> okay. >> okay. >> what have you got? >> what have you got? >> oh, do you want me to. yeah. >> oh, do you want me to. yeah. >> go on. what you got? >> go on. what you got? >> okay, i wish i was a spaceman. the only girl alive. and then i'm going to take you. fireball. exile five. something like that. >> very good way better than our entrance for eurovision. did you watch? >> oh, my goodness , no, sorry, >> oh, my goodness, no, sorry, i didn't watch it deliberately. >> yeah, just as well . terrible, >> yeah, just as well. terrible, terrible. no, you could have done it. why didn't they get someone like you to do it? well actually, next year.

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the channel. but it's time for the channel. but it's time for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking natalie elphicke, a labour asset or liability? newly defected natalie elphicke is facing scrutiny after it emerged that she may have lobbied the justice secretary over her ex—husband's sex offences . sir robert sex offences. sir robert buckland claims the mp, who crossed the floor to labour, requested the case be moved to a lower profile court and her spokesperson refuted the accusation, describing it as nonsense in the daily mail. now this week we've all seen we could see numerous controversies over the mp5 defection, with many seeing her as too right wing to be welcomed by labour's sir keir starmer. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking natalie elphicke a labour asset or liability. well, joining me is the former labour mp stephen pound and also neil hamilton, former ukip leader. well to start with you, stephen pound natalie elphicke. it's great you've got another defected tory mp isn't it . defected tory mp isn't it. >> well it's a bit weird, isn't

it? i can think of one labour mp, reg prentice, who joined the tories. >> i can think of about a dozen labour tory mps who joined laboun >> but look, can i just say one thing about robert buckland? >> i think he's made himself look a bit stupid here. if he had concerns at the time, why didn't he raise them at the time? i think it looks pretty poor politics to suddenly raise it now. but in the short term, i have to say clearly, natalie is an asset because it sends out a message that, you know, labour is the broad church and not just a broad church full of knaves. as somebody once said. but in the long term, i think it could be a liability. she's further to the right than the soup spoon. we all know that. and i just, you know, i've absolutely no idea why she did it, because there was no indication whatsoever in all her, you know , whatsoever in all her, you know, insults at sir keir starmer and her comments about asylum seekers that she showed the remotest interest in in coming to join us in the labour party. but, you know, time will tell. but, you know, time will tell. but at the moment, you know, it's an asset because it sends out a pretty powerful signal to those people who wouldn't normally be thinking of voting laboun >> do you think? i think it sends a pretty powerful signal that both appear to be smiling

at each other with gritted teeth. neil hamilton, former ukip leader. what is she? is she an asset or a liability for keir starmer's party? >> well, the labour party is very keen on net zero. >> i think she's the human equivalent of net zero, isn't she. so i don't i don't think she's going to make the slightest difference either way. it's true that the conservative party describes itself as a broad church. labour is more like a broad mosque, i suppose. >> i don't see that she will fit into the kind of mindset of the modern labour party , any shape modern labour party, any shape or form. >> but it's all irrelevant anyway, because she isn't going to be contesting the next election, and parliament has probably got about 12 sitting weeks left to go. if there's a general election in the autumn. >> so i think this is a five minute wonder and there isn't much of a wonder in it at all. we're just wondering why on earth has she done it? she's got nothing in common with the party. she's now joined. >> what can she possibly get out of this, stephen? that i just can't see the benefit to her. keir starmer could say a word. broad church. we accept everybody. but he isn't, in a sense, isolating members of his party. if you saw the looks on

their faces when she did cross their faces when she did cross the floor, so . so what's i just the floor, so. so what's i just can't see the benefits really on the good question. >> no, no. yeah. god loves a sinner who repenteth. i mean, there's no question about that . there's no question about that. but, you know, i'd like, you know, perfectly honest. i'd like to see a little evidence of repentance here. as for what you can get out of it, you know, we got mike tapp, who's the adopted candidate, ex—military chap who's standing down in dover and deal who's standing down in dover and deal. he's not going to make wayfair. if you look at previous people who've crossed the floor, people who've crossed the floor, people like shaun woodward, you know, or alan howarth, i mean, they ended up either in the lords or in the cabinet. i don't think that can possibly apply in this particular case. i don't think anybody, you know, dangled a carrot because from what i hean a carrot because from what i hear, the chief whip , alan hear, the chief whip, alan campbell, didn't even know about this till half an hour before, cuz. so this is something which kept pretty much with sue gray keir starmer and very much the inner circle. so sue gray maybe. yeah well, a fine woman in my opinion, but i think what you can get out of it is possible. a place on a housing quango . well, place on a housing quango. well, to be honest, i mean, you know, you and i have both turned down many places on many quangos and,

you know, and i'm quite sure that neil has turned down, you know, more turned down more quangos. and i've had hot meals. so i don't know what's in it for her bit of notoriety for five day wonder. but as you say, neil rather pithily put it, you know, it's not just a nine days wonder. it's a wonder why the hell she did it. >> well, you know, and now you mentioned sue gray. i mean, she had to be had something to do with it. i mean , sue gray, that with it. i mean, sue gray, that whole issue with when she i mean, that was an incredible interview from nick ferrari on lbc, interview from nick ferrari on lbc, where he asked whether keir starmer was talking to her before or after and she couldn't he didn't sort of answer it, which already that looks bad. and now the old natalie elphicke business. i mean, seriously, neil, some of these, some of the things that the labour party are doing, do you think that they are risking their majority by, their lead at the moment? right. >> well, i think in this current situation, the labour party can afford to be a bit more choosy about who they accept, don't they? >> and it's rather surprising that keir starmer doesn't seem

to have caught up with his own poll lead in this respect , to have caught up with his own poll lead in this respect, is there a any genuine conversion here politically on part of natalie elphicke? there's no sign of it. if she's only just caught up with the fact that the tories have failed to keep their promises after 13 years in government, she's a bit behind the times, isn't she? >> she's been they've been serial promise breakers. right from the start. >> and so i really can't see what possible benefit, she can bnng what possible benefit, she can bring to the labour party whatsoever. and in fact, as we know from the way that labour mps have been playing up over this, that, you know, keir starmer has got some internal problems in the offing, even if they win the general election, that's when the fun will really start, because do you think this might be and, a sort of a sort of smokescreen for the ridiculous policy that keir starmer came up with? >> what was it, the border, some sort of using terror laws to protect, to stop the boats when we're doing something similar to that? anyway, stephen, i mean, we are we've got something which is almost like a border command type thing. i'm sure all the departments talk to each other

anyway. it'sjust departments talk to each other anyway. it's just it's just like anyway. it's just it's just like a marketing exercise . do you a marketing exercise. do you think that's sort of really what keir starmer is doing with this , keir starmer is doing with this, or am i being too clever? >> come on. you have this great ability to spin off in all other directions when we want to talk about the integrated border control and border command, i'm happy to talk about it. it's a damn good idea we should actually be doing. >> we've already got something pretty similar to this. it's just the same thing with different words. it'll take him years to set that up. >> yeah , well, hang on a second. >> yeah, well, hang on a second. don't forget, up until 2008, particularly , you know, we particularly, you know, we didn't have this problem because we were able to accelerate the processing . we had a home office processing. we had a home office that was slightly less sclerotic and incompetent than it is at the present time. and one of the benefits of having an integrated command and a rapid process of actually dealing with these cases is that we get people over here paying tax instead of, you know, swanning around in four star hotels or being given three grand in their back pocket to shoot to off central africa. yeah. >> so hold on a minute. are you suggesting that the migrants who come here by boats should start working so they pay tax and contribute to the economy? is that what you're saying? what do you mean? people pay tax ? you mean? people pay tax? >> 100% of the people who come

here are not illegal asylum seekers or illegal immigrants. there are a number of people who have a perfectly valid case for asylum in this country. the ones that come on the small boats . in that come on the small boats. in some cases, if they've been afghan interpreters or people like that who have a genuine link to this country and a real fear of persecution, people coming from iran, you know, if you know, nazanin zaghari—ratcliffe when she was imprisoned in iran, imagine if she had come to this country, would we say no to her? i don't think so. we're not going to send people back to tehran where the ayatollah is going to be waiting with sharpened scimitar. >> some of them will be sent back to rwanda. that's the idea , back to rwanda. that's the idea, isn't it? if they come here and they fail asylum here, they go to rwanda . to rwanda. >> can we really afford the amount of money to choke their mouths with gold? i mean, we could we could send them in a bentley uber down there. it'd be a damn sight cheaper than hiring one plane. well if it's a deterrent effect, then the idea, which it seems to be working in some way, is that people will put off others from coming here. >> and look, neal, it appears to have some effect. it does. and migrants who we have spoken to

here on gb news have said they don't like rwanda and they would rather go somewhere else than the uk. >> well, i've got a better idea than rwanda. why don't we send them to the republic of ireland? because the republic of ireland thinks that we are abuses of human rights, and therefore any asylum seeker in ireland is entitled to stay there. so they'd be much cheaper than sending people to rwanda. we'll just give them a free ticket to the border in northern ireland. so off you go, i don't think that rwanda is a big deal, actually. >> but i do think it's better than nothing. >> yeah, and labour's answer is better bureaucracy. >> well, i wouldn't give much for its chances. >> you know, all governments say they're going to cut red tape and run things better than their predecessors, but it never works. >> of course, it's not. it's not a bureaucratic problem. >> the problem is these people should just be turned back at the border, shouldn't they? and we should return them to france, whence they come, and then leave it to the french to sort it out. of course, the irish have now discovered that the schengen, although they're not part of it,

rules , have been a disaster for rules, have been a disaster for europe and france won't take asylum seekers back from from ireland because the dublin convention isn't working anyway . convention isn't working anyway. and italy has refused to take back asylum seekers from france . back asylum seekers from france. so, you know, the whole thing is an absolute mess. no so, you know, the whole thing is an absolute mess . no government an absolute mess. no government anywhere in europe really, possibly from hungary, has the political will to do something to stop the boats or smash the gangs. in matthew lasalle's famous phrase that he keeps popping up famous phrase that he keeps popping up at every opportunity. >> okay, well , i'm popping up at every opportunity. >> okay, well, i'm going to ask you, natalie elphicke then is she an asset or a liability? neil asset or liability, liability. >> and , stephen pound asset or >> and, stephen pound asset or liability for the labour party at the moment. >> asset at the moment she's liability. >> come on, admit it. admit it stephen it's a disaster. thank you very much for your thoughts. that's stephen pound and also neil hamilton. you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news are live on tv, online and digital radio will be continuing with the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking natalie elphicke, a labour asset

or a liability. you'll hear the thoughts of my panel. danny kelly and christine hamilton. but first, let's get your latest news with aaron armstrong. >> hi there. very good afternoon to you. it is 531 i'm aaron armstrong. the uk says it would support palestine gaining full membership in the united nations when the time is right. it currently only holds limited observer status. the comments by the deputy foreign secretary come as israel sent tanks, tanks back into northern gaza alongside a series of airstrikes in an attempt to prevent hamas from regrouping as civilians there, and also in the south, have been told to evacuate. as israel presses ahead with its plans for a ground attack on rafah earlier , the terrorist rafah earlier, the terrorist group posted a video claiming british israeli hostage naddaff popplewell has died after being injured in an airstrike last month. the government says it's urgently seeking more information . a third man has information. a third man has been arrested on suspicion of

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the great british debate. this houn the great british debate. this hour, i'm asking natalie elphicke, a labour asset or liability? she's newly defected. she's facing scrutiny after it emerged that she may have lobbied the justice secretary over her ex—husband's sex offences. sir robert buckland claims that the mp, who crossed the floor to labour, requested the floor to labour, requested the case be moved to a lower court. now her spokesperson refuted the accusation, describing it as nonsense in the daily mail . so for the great daily mail. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking natalie elphicke , a asking natalie elphicke, a labour asset or a liability. well, joining me to discuss is my panel broadcast from author christine hamilton, also broadcast from journalist danny kelly. danny kelly, i'll start with you, natalie elphicke. >> i think she is an asset to the labour party . why? because the labour party. why? because keir starmer. look, i don't particularly like starmer, but i think he's played a blinder. and i think what he's done , he i think what he's done, he doesn't care about the relationship between the left of the labour party. he knows where the labour party. he knows where the fight is. it's the centre ground and if there are any wavering voters, any tories. i remember boris johnson in 2019 when he pleaded with those

people who were whose fingers were quivering over the ballot box as to whether to vote for him or not. he's doing the same thing. he's convincing people on the conservative side. beautiful smile, making me laugh. another she has those. >> she's making me laugh and she's convincing people who are quavering and worried about voting for labour. >> guess what? it's all right. we've got a we've got a right winger in the labour party and keir starmer doesn't care about what the left. >> don't you think that it looks like somebody who just would take any anyone and do anything. i mean, yeah, but the question is, is it an asset. >> is she an asset. and i think she is an asset based on if she comes across or he comes across as somebody who will accept pretty much anyone in their party, then i think that it might be. >> but he's blank nigel farage, hasn't he? >> apparently he said he's not even that . even that. >> i was just probably further right than nigel, wasn't she? she's pretty right wing, and she's described him in the past as no plans. >> starmer and sir softy . so >> starmer and sir softy. so she's got no time for starmer. so i mean he obviously there's an initial. yes this is

wonderful. a tory mp is crossing the floor but you have to wonder what's behind it. starmer obviously couldn't resist the deliciousness of immediately embarrassing the tories and especially the way they did it. i wonder whose idea that was to ambush rishi sunak, just as prime minister's questions was getting underway. >> what a betrayal, actually, the way it was. >> what a betrayal. and this is a woman. of course she defended her husband and apparently has very strong catholic instincts, which was something to do with that sort , her mother said. but that sort, her mother said. but she also, let's be honest, as a member of parliament, she wasn't a member of parliament then. yes she was. she was a member of parliament in the place of her husband. and she thought it was right to interfere with the political process. it isn't just what you've just described as that she has denied personally , that she has denied personally, i would rather believe robert jenrick than her, and he says it did happen. she says it didn't, but she tried to interfere in several ways. i mean , she was several ways. i mean, she was suspended from parliament for a day, along with 3 or 4 others for trying to interfere. so this is a woman who hasn't really got, you know, her morals are a little bit questionable . and little bit questionable. and yes, it's wonderful for starmer right now, but as neil kinnock

said, i love this quote. he said labouris said, i love this quote. he said labour is a very broad church, but churches have walls and there is a limit. so i wonder why they've said they haven't offered her a peerage, but she will get something. she's not going to stand again. she'll get a quango job. she will get something, i bet, but it'll all you know, nobody will care by then. it's had the initial impact, which is good for laboun impact, which is good for labour. do you think in the long term i think it's ludicrous. >> so this is the same moment that keir starmer tells us about his border command. do you think that he is such a dodgy plan that he is such a dodgy plan that it's kind of being overshadowed? the detail of it, because we've already got something similar to that? anyway, let me just finish . no. anyway, let me just finish. no. do you think that do you think that perhaps he was slightly using it? natalie elphicke as almost like a smokescreen so that people wouldn't scrutinise his border command so heavily? >> okay. you know the dinghies, right? you know, he's going to answer my question. >> i'll just say what you were going to say anyway. >> well, it's all part of the keir starmer question, right? he's basing everything on crushing the criminal gangs,

isn't he? okay. they're like the mafia. as soon as you remove the mafia, what do you think? stopping people just buying a dinghy. the people that are actually stopping people just buying a dinghy and getting on it yourself for £500, however much the dinghy costs. is the mafia okay, those those gangs, once those gangs are removed, all of the people who are on dinghies , all they're going to dinghies, all they're going to do is just buy a dinghy and do it themselves and that's all they're going to do. you're not going to stop the crossings. people are just forced into paying people are just forced into paying thousands of pounds because that's the only option. if those gangs are smashed , then if those gangs are smashed, then all you're going to do is buy a dinghy, hop on a dinghy and get over to is it? >> of course. do you think? >> of course. do you think? >> i don't think so. i think that people won't do it because they'll be risks, and i don't think they're prepared to take them. what >> what are the new risks by doing it yourself and not by doing it yourself and not by doing it? by paying a people s muggler? smuggler? >> yeah, well, i just think i suspect you might just get it wrong. at least they know the tides and things like that. there's so many different google will tell you very, very quickly, very quickly. then christine is incredibly naive. >> she doesn't think the tories have done enough about immigration. and she's right. but the idea that a labour are going to do any better, i think, is moonshine. >> yeah, that's why i think perhaps he's using it to a

smokescreen to cover this ridiculous plan of his. but this shows nothing without you and your views. maybe you think differently. let's welcome some of our great british voices on the show, their opportunity to be on and tell us what they really think about the topics we're discussing. right. let's see. i've got three of you. i'm going to start with alan cook in london. alan, natalie, elphicke. is she a asset, an asset or a liability? >> hiya, nana. have you ever been on holiday ? been on holiday? >> i haven't actually for about 15 years. >> lots , i've worn flip flops >> lots, i've worn flip flops even once . yeah, we bought a even once. yeah, we bought a pair. >> you had two? >> you had two? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> you're a lefty flip flop. and you've had your disgraced righty flip flop . flip flop. >> do you think these are two flops? >> both. didn't you ? >> both. didn't you? >> both. didn't you? >> yeah. so it didn't work. you like ones? yeah. like diane abbott. exactly. >> so this just highlights the problem we have in english politics at the moment is the fact that it's always left against. right. and it's not about policy . and we need to about policy. and we need to basically look at common sense policy and not look at policy denved policy and not look at policy derived from a certain place on

the spectrum. obviously, she and starmer both have now questions to ask , answer about principles to ask, answer about principles because you know these it's an unholy alliance. they think different things are coming from different things are coming from different places. but they seem to have found a common ground. i can't see that. >> i think the common ground is a pair of flip flops, a left and a pair of flip flops, a left and a right foot rather than two left. short—term are the ones abbott was wearing. it's not going to move on because i've got it. so asset or liability. >> asset or liability short term she's an asset long term because there's no no no no no no no no. >>— there's no no no no no no no no. >> you're you're going on again juue >> you're you're going on again julie julie in bedford. thank you. up he squeezes every last bit out of it doesn't he . bit out of it doesn't he. >> i think you know i'm agreeing with what the panel is saying here. i think she's an asset, but for the wrong reasons . here. i think she's an asset, but for the wrong reasons. i think she's going to gain more votes for keir. and i think it's more of a strategic plan. but are we going to end up with a labour party that's actually

going to end up full of tories, because they're all defecting over there, and we're not actually going to end up with any labour supporting labour's, are we, so i think at the moment she's an asset but for all the wrong reasons. but, i certainly think her mouth will probably run away with her again soon and she'll get herself into more trouble. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> julie leigh webb in bedfordshire. >> i actually think she's a bit of a liability because we're already getting drip, drip feed of some of the naughty things. she may or may not have done. i don't know that, but she's got like, we've got about 12 weeks left of this parliament, and she's not even standing again. so i think she would be more hassle for the labour party than more of , sorry, less of an more of, sorry, less of an asset, more of a liability for the labour party. i just can't think what keir starmer was thinking of. and, if natalie elphicke was going to cause trouble, she could do that pretty much on her own anyhow , i pretty much on her own anyhow, i think this is all about raising her profile. maybe another book. >> or maybe i'm a celebrity. get

me out of here or some of those things. or maybe she's got her eye on strictly. honestly. listen, thank you so much, alan cook. julie and also leigh webb. thank you so much, julie ford bev turner. thank you so much. right. coming up, clip bait. we'll be talking about this very brave woman. what's she doing next supplement sunday with my panel and i

well, it's time for supplement sunday in a moment. but now it's time for clip bait . let's have time for clip bait. let's have a look. this is a viral video of a woman who seems to be doing something. let's play it. i'll tell you what's happening. she's running , she's running. she's running, she's running. she's actually caught. this guy. she's rugby, tackled him to the ground. she's actually tackling a suspect that the police are chasing. wow. there she goes

again. if she goes run, run, run, catch, paw . wow. the police run, catch, paw. wow. the police couldn't get her. and then she wrestled him to the floor. >> that amazing big old lump, isn't she? >> she's not that . big. >> she's not that. big. >> she's not that. big. >> danny, stop a runaway car talk. danny no, i'm just saying he's not. she looks like your size. i'm just saying that if ever there was a woman who was going to stop a runaway criminal with a rugby tackle, it was a woman. >> woman. >> she wasn't that big. and she moves. that's all i'm saying. look at her. >> yeah, she's very shapely. >> yeah, she's very shapely. >> good for her. yeah. so she discovers the flaw. the police come and arrest the suspect. incredible. good for her. well done. good on her. >> not that people should necessarily be encouraged. >> and that's in america as well. so they all have guns. >> yeah. that's right. >> yeah. that's right. >> even braver. so she did it very brave. right. but now it's time for supplement sunday with a panel. and discussed some of a panel. and i discussed some of the news stories that caught their eyes. joining danny their eyes. joining me, danny kelly christine hamilton. kelly and christine hamilton. right. we'll start right. christine we'll start with yours. >> well, got a cheated. it >> well, i've got a cheated. it came from yesterday's paper , but came from yesterday's paper, but there we are. junk food could take years off. your life. eating too many ultra processed

foods can lead to early death . i foods can lead to early death. i mean, it's not exactly rocket science, is it? but harvard university, this is their research. and they tracked all sorts of people, and they reckon that 4% more deaths occurred amongst those who ate around seven servings of junk a day . seven servings of junk a day. >> that's a lot. >>— >> that's a lot. >> that's a lot. >> that's quite a lot to eat. but do you know , i reckon quite but do you know, i reckon quite a lot of people do eat no, 5 to 7 portions of junk. >> a lot of food. well, like, would that be many people? i've had three cakes already this morning. would you want it was in one serving though. so is that three lots? i don't know or just the one on to harvard and ask. >> that's three lots. >> that's three lots. >> there's just one at one time. one serving. >> one sitting is three lots know an awful lot. about seven burgers, which i could do in one sitting. is that one or is it seven? >> it's one serving, but you could have seven servings. >> seven servings i will, i will try and find out. but seriously, what's your serious point to many people? we all pretty much junk food. >> i might get a mega one off you if you've got time, because we all know that danny, david cameron, quite legitimately reigniting the arguments about whether the bbc should call her mass terrorists or not after

that terrible video was released and he was on laura kuenssberg show, so he wasn't in friendly territory here. >> he's at a bbc studio and he actually made a point of reigniting it, saying maybe the bbc should think twice now about it. talk about calling a proscribed group terrorists who go around raping women, shooting kids and all of that ghastly stuff. on october 7. yet the bbc are intransigent. they refuse to call them terrorists . call them terrorists. >> that's interesting. well, that's a nice supplement. and nissan turned the volume down. if you've got children in the room listening. but a catholic priest has been reprimanded after he claimed that jesus died on the cross with an erection . on the cross with an erection. now that's what he said. i know i don't laugh, seriously. i hope i'm allowed to say that. apologies if i've offended anybody, but that is what this catholic priest claimed. father thomas mchale from the us, told roughly 100 churchgoers on good friday that the blood would have rushed to christ's bottom half and as he was now, i can't do that. why would he even worry about it? i think we've crossed the line there. apologies for that. if anyone was. i really

don't want that one. that. that's terrible. >> that was a hard one to talk about. >> oh, dodi kelly, as i said, apologies for anyone who's offended. i did warn you beforehand anyway, so i think i've covered all bases. that was awful. yeah, terrible. >> oh the story. >> oh the story. >> well, quickly, let's let's find made a joke. >> oh, well, i haven't got it in front of me . front of me. >> well, what was it? no. let's go. >> well, what i was slightly horrified. was i was reading a paperin horrified. was i was reading a paper in the green room outside. and meghan markle, she's gone to one of the poorest countries in the world, in nigeria. and she was wearing a dress that cost 2000. and whatever she had earrings on that cost even more. £2,600 worth of earrings. she had bangles all over her arms. one of her bangles was apparently diamond encrusted and worth £7,000. i mean, what is that woman on exactly ? that woman on exactly? >> we'd all like a bit of that. seriously, i think it's on royalty and money. right. well, listen, on today's show, i've been asking, is it time to ban extreme protests ? yes. well, extreme protests? yes. well, according to our twitter poll, a whopping 91.1% of you say yes. and just 8.9% of you say no . and

and just 8.9% of you say no. and in the not. it's not good news for natalie elphicke either , for natalie elphicke either, because as an incredible 92, 95.2% of you think that she's a liability for the labour party. thank you so much to my panel, journalist and broadcaster danny kelly and author and broadcaster christine hamilton, and also thank you to you for your company. next up, it's neil oliver. i'll leave you with the weather, enjoy . weather, enjoy. >> it looks like things are heating up boxt boilers. sponsors of weather on gb news is . hello. sponsors of weather on gb news is. hello. welcome to your gb news weather update brought to you by the met office for the outlook drier in the east, but turning unsettled in the west and also feeling cooler as we go into monday. so high pressure is going to be moving. its way eastwards. we do have some weather fronts that's bringing a focus for some showers or longer spells of rain through the rest of today, and we do have some warnings in force as well for thunderstorm. thunderstorms are going to be pushing their way northwards, affecting northern

england and also into scotland. some of these are going to be quite heavy at times, giving hail and thunder elsewhere turning drier. some low cloud across western parts , clearest across western parts, clearest in the east, but temperatures still ranging around 10 or 11 degrees, so it is going to be a mild start as we start monday. but a bit of an east west split in the weather once that low cloud generally clears across much of england and wales, it will turn drier and brighter showers coming into scotland, but further west we have an area of low pressure bringing outbreaks of rain across northern ireland, western parts of england and also into south wales too. so it is going to be feeling cooler for all highs of up to maybe 20 or 22 degrees as we go through tuesday, that rain shifts its focus further towards the north and east, with showers following, and then that really sets the scene for the outlook as well. so longer spells of rain on tuesday , wednesday and rain on tuesday, wednesday and thursday, sunny spells, scattered showers, not as warm

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