a hurricane is going to change more in the next five years than it has done in the past 30 years. let me ask you this is he basically just trying to terrify us into reverting tory? and would that work on you or not? and the lib dems, they've been accused of deselecting a candidate based on his religion. can you have a guess what religion do you think that might be? it feels to me that there's only one these days that you're allowed to discriminate , mock or allowed to discriminate, mock or criticise. which is it ? your

criticise. which is it? your thoughts? and if there was ever to be another pandemic , who to be another pandemic, who should decide the way that your life is impacted as a result? should it be us, our government here in the uk, or an unelected bodyin here in the uk, or an unelected body in geneva? the world health organisation? there are plans for it to be the latter and i can tell you as a result, there are very loud demands that it's time for us to take back control also as well. do you think that there should be a published list of how much crime migrants are are committing, broken down by their asylum status and their country? that is what some mps are calling . for. indeed, i've are calling. for. indeed, i've got all of that and more coming up. but before we get stuck in, let's cross live for tonight's latest news headlines . latest news headlines. >> michelle. thank you. i'm tamsin roberts in the gb newsroom. here are the top stories. rishi sunak has warned

that giving sir keir starmer the keys to number 10 would leave the country less safe. the labour leader rejected the prime minister's claim, saying that as a former director of public prosecutions, he knows the importance of security first hand. but rishi sunak says only the conservatives have bold ideas for the future. >> despite having 14 years with nothing to do but think about the future , labour have almost the future, labour have almost nothing to say about it . no nothing to say about it. no plans for our border, no plans for our energy security, no plans for our economy either. and no principles either. keir starmer has gone from embracing jeremy corbyn to natalie elphicke all in the cynical pursuit of power at any price. so labour have no ideas what they did have. they've u—turned on. >> the health secretary has defended the government's record on maternity care after a major new report revealed endemic

failures at hospitals. it found mums to be are often treated as an inconvenience, with some women mocked or shouted at and denied basic needs such as pain relief. the birth trauma inquiry is calling for a national plan to improve services, led by a new maternity commissioner, who would report directly to the prime minister. but health secretary victoria atkins says the government is moving to ensure vulnerable women are supported. >> and we know that there are some parts of the country that are doing this really well, but there are other parts that need to catch up and so what we are doing now through our maternity programmes is ensuring that, for example, the most vulnerable women who perhaps are living with mental health conditions at the moment, who then become pregnant, that we are building a network of support around them to support them through pregnancy and indeed beyond pregnancy and indeed beyond pregnancy when they have their newborn baby, because we know that that can be a factor, for example, that has such an impact

on their wellbeing and the wellbeing of their babies . wellbeing of their babies. >> to the us now. and donald trump's former lawyer michael cohen , has taken the witness cohen, has taken the witness stand at his criminal trial. he told jurors today he secretly colluded with mr trump and a tabloid publisher to suppress negative stories that could damage trump's 2016 campaign. mr cohen used to be one of the former president's most trusted colleagues , but he's now the colleagues, but he's now the prosecution's star witness as the so—called hush money trial enters its fifth week and a new poll is giving donald trump a lead in five key states the cost of living and the war in gaza are said to have driven down support for president biden in key states, including michigan, nevada and pennsylvania . the nevada and pennsylvania. the survey by the new york times, siena college and the philadelphia inquirer found the president now leads in just one battleground state wisconsin . a battleground state wisconsin. a teacher accused of having intimate relationships with teenage boys says she craved

attention after a break—up, but denies the allegations against her. rebecca jones told a court she struggled following the breakdown of a nine year relationship and during the covid lockdowns . the 30 year old covid lockdowns. the 30 year old was already suspended from her high school job and on bail when she's alleged to have engaged in sexual contact with another boy. she pleaded not guilty to six charges. her trial at manchester crown court is continuing . a man crown court is continuing. a man is facing life in prison for murdering a woman during a series of violent attacks in south london, 34 year old mohamed nur was armed with a makeshift blade when he attacked johannetta cote d'ivoire dogbe in broad daylight last may. he admitted her murder and to having a blade made from scissors, but denied carrying out similar attacks. in the days before her death . three men have before her death. three men have appeared in court accused of assisting the hong kong intelligence service . it follows intelligence service. it follows an investigation led by officers

from the counter—terrorism command, where 11 people were detained. the men, aged 37, 38 and 63, will appear at the old bailey on the 24th of may. the king has officially handed over the role of colonel in chief of the role of colonel in chief of the army air corps to the prince of wales, in a rare engagement involving both the current monarch and his heir, his majesty formally handed over the title he's held for the past 32 years. the king said it was a great joy to meet servicemen dunng great joy to meet servicemen during today's visit to middle wallop in hampshire. prince william will now represent the armies air wing, which includes the unit once served in by his brother. those are the top stories, and for all the latest, do sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen. or you can go to gb news common herts. now it's back to .

michelle. >> thanks very much for that. >> thanks very much for that. >> i'm michelle dewberry and i'm keeping you company till 7:00 tonight alongside me i've got the tory life peer in the house of lords, daniel moylan and the political commentator joe phillips. good evening to both of you. good evening. i'm going to start a new campaign to always try and feature at least one positive news story in this programme . great. yeah. where is programme. great. yeah. where is it? well, i've only just, conceived this idea when i was listening to those headlines and thinking through my list for tonight. so, has anyone got any good news stories? have you got anything you want to share with the nation? >> i think i'd have needed a bit more notice. >> well, continuity . come on. >> well, continuity. come on. lovely. have you got any good news stories? no >> not really. >> not really. >> the weather just says they go. that's joe's nomination. the weather's been very good. i've been out. trying to find caterpillars to care for, to help move them into butterflies. that, sir, is the extent of my social life these days. no, they're not in a jar. they're in like, like a bigger container. like an old margarine tub . oh, like an old margarine tub. oh, lovely. if you know what i mean.

does anyone know what i mean? yeah. old margarine don't have leaves and things. they've got it all going on. oh, we don't hold back in my household, i could tell you, but there you go. i want positivity, everybody. if you've seen anything, if you come across anything, if you come across anything, get in touch with me. because there's so much doom and gloom going on in society at the moment, isn't there? i'm fed up with it. get in touch with me all the usual ways. there you lot cheer me up. no end gb views @gbnews. com is how you email me. of course you can go on to the website gbnews.com slash your sale, or you can talk to me and yourselves and each other, as many of you are currently doing right now. and of course, you can tweet or text me, but the good news doesn't start yet, though, because rishi sunak gave another speech earlier today. did you see it, many people saying actually that it was the start of his election campaign, that that's how it felt. to many, i've got to say, the overwhelm , calming kind of topic overwhelm, calming kind of topic of conversation was all about defence. and it was a lot along the lines of daniel that he was saying things like, the next five years is going to be kind of more change defining, etc.

than the past 30 years. he was speaking a lot about the fact that you've seen the likes of china and russia joining up to potentially, pose a threat. he talked a lot about the need for defence and nuclear and all the rest of it . is defence and nuclear and all the rest of it. is he trying to terrify us into voting tory, do you think ? you think? >> well, i think he'd like us to vote conservative, obviously. and that's what the leader of the conservative party does. but i don't think he's unduly terrifying people. i think things have changed dramatically early in the last few years, and the aggressive states , the ones the aggressive states, the ones that look to invade their neighbours and take territory simply through warfare, are ganging up together, and they are not on our side. and i think we have to be aware of that. that's a big change from where things were, as he says, 20 or 30 years ago, after the fall of the iron curtain and so forth, we looked like we were set for a penod we looked like we were set for a period of peace and calm, bolstered by trade and mutual prosperity. things have gone badly wrong in the last few years, and they've gone against

us. and i think the consequence of that is that we will have to end up spending more money on defence, and we will have to be more alert and work closely, more alert and work closely, more closely with our allies and actually try to make sure that we come through this two point spending more 2.5% of gdp by 2030, of course, is one of the tories core pledges. >> he reckons it's going to make savings and cuts to the civil service to try and fund that. but he was also rishi sunak today, talking quite tough about , keir starmer and about how he would approach things. listen despite having 14 years with nothing to do but think about the future, labour have almost nothing to say about it. >> no plans for our border, no plans for our energy security, no plans for our economy either, and no principles either. keir starmer has gone from embracing jeremy corbyn to natalie elphicke, all in the cynical pursuit of power at any price . pursuit of power at any price. so labour have no ideas what

they did have. they view turned on? >> is that fair, joe? >> is that fair, joe? >> no . i think it's >> is that fair, joe? >> no. i think it's a >> is that fair, joe? >> no . i think it's a real >> no. i think it's a real shame, actually, that a topic thatis shame, actually, that a topic that is very serious and i completely agree with daniel and i agree with some of the things that the prime minister said. you know, we are living in a world that is changing very quickly. and, you know, we've got china, we've got iran, we've got china, we've got iran, we've got north korea, we've got all sorts of things going on. and i think old alliances have gone. we've also got one of the biggest threats that is not traditional warfare . it's the traditional warfare. it's the warfare of fake news and misinformation, which is being manipulated by, less friendly nafion manipulated by, less friendly nation states, shall we say. but i think it's a real shame that rishi sunak, in trying to look like a statesman and a world leader, then ended up turning it into a rather silly sniping, at at keir starmer and the labour party. and when he says there they've had 14 years to think about it and they've come up with something. well, the obvious answer to that is, well,

he's had 14 years or the tories have had 14 years and he's coming up with a bold plan. he's in danger of sounding like baldrick from blackadder, is he? >> well, no, i think it's a fair, fair challenge to the labour party. we're now within, a few months , very few months of a few months, very few months of an election. in fact, it was possible we could be in an election period now because there was talk of having a spnng there was talk of having a spring or summer early summer election . and the labour party election. and the labour party has told us almost nothing about what their policies are. if they come into government and they're going to have to do this at some point, they and they can't keep running away and not telling us what they're going to do . there what they're going to do. there are a few small policies that have come out, like putting vat on private schools, which is just purely vindictive, and you know, is virtue signalling in a way. it's not going to make any difference to the vast majority of people, except that they'll have more people, more pupils trying to crowd into their schools, but , but but we trying to crowd into their schools, but, but but we just don't know what they're going to do. and that's a deliberate policy by the labour party. it's what they call their ming vase

policy of walking, you know, without without dropping across a polished floor, without dropping the ming vase by actually having any policies . actually having any policies. but they're going to have to have some policies. and the point about keir starmer, remember keir starmer, the leader of the campaign for a second referendum, the great, the great support of jeremy corbyn and now natalie elphicke i think is a point very well made. >> well, natalie al fayed, principal , >> well, natalie al fayed, principal, it hasn't >> well, natalie al fayed, principal , it hasn't really gone principal, it hasn't really gone down very well, has it? >> i cannot for the life of me think what keir starmer was thinking of. i mean, on so many levels it is so inconceivably stupid. why? because, well , stupid. why? because, well, several things really. i mean, first of all, the announcement on wednesday , just before prime on wednesday, just before prime minister's questions actually took away the gloss and the shine that labour could have had from their new mp for blackpool , from their new mp for blackpool, elected during the by—election. their success in the local and mayoral elections, apart from teesside, and i think if i had been a labour activist working really hard to get those people

elected, i'd have felt jolly. cross natalie pinnell organisation was putting out leaflets on tuesday saying labour are rubbish, they're dreadful, they're just going to have open borders. on wednesday she's joined the labour party. she doesn't bring anything to the labour party apart from a lot of questions and a lot of baggage, and i think lots of people will be questioning his political judgement on this. >> well, let's have a look how starmer responded to some of what sunak was saying earlier on. >> the first duty of any government, particularly an incoming labour government, is national security. the security of the country. and that would be my first priority. now the prime minister today has made a speech.i prime minister today has made a speech. i think it's his seventh reset in 18 months. and i think that really shows you that the choice as we go into this election is now pretty clear . election is now pretty clear. >> do you think it is pretty clear, because this is one of

the things i mean, you just alluded to it there when you're saying, what do labour actually stand for? what are their policies? because we do know various different things. like they had that new deal for the workers where they were going to basically like rip up everything and rewrite it and start again. we know that that's been kind of pared back. we know about that. the whole new green deal that to some extent has been pared back as well, but is this just basic politicking? are they keeping their cards close to their chest, or do you think that they just don't really know, policy wise, what they stand for, really ? really? >> well, i can't give an insight into what their internal thinking is, but it seems to me that what they're actually doing is they're trying to move in the public's mind as far to the right as they possibly can, and because they think that's going to help them win the election, they'd say move towards the centre, but as far to the right as they possibly can in labour party terms. so they've ditched. he's crushed a lot of left wing people. and diane abbott isn't even a member of the party anymore, as far as i understand, and so on. and corbyn and those people have been kicked out, lots of the candidates who've

been chosen are keir starmer lookalikes. they're all identikit keir starmer's, who'll be standing as mps. is moving to the right. what we don't know, though, is if he gets power, how much he's going to stay on the right and how much he'll start drifting back to his roots. on the corbynite left, where he used to be so active. that's the point. we don't know until we see the details of policies . see the details of policies. what are you actually going to do about some of the big issues facing the country? and on that, he's told us very little indeed , he's told us very little indeed, steve, one of my viewers says, michelle rishi sunak is the reason that for the first time in my life, i will not be voting conservative at the next general election. he says there's two things, that the tories could do to get my votes. one would be, he says, number one for rishi sunak to resign and number two for rishi sunak to disappear into oblivion forever . he says into oblivion forever. he says indeed, there have been some rumours. i mean, i'm not suggesting that there's any fact to these, but just suggestions of rumours and thoughts that

david cameron might somehow be angung david cameron might somehow be angling for a repositioning of himself for a potential tory leader . what himself for a potential tory leader. what do you think to that? >> i don't see why he would. i mean, he's come back, he's doing a good job as far as we can tell. as foreign secretary, he's a you know, he's got doors opening for him because of his previous time as prime minister. he's known he's recognised , you he's known he's recognised, you know, there was a very good piece in the sunday times at the weekend by christina lamb there, you know, extremely respected foreign correspondent who'd spent time with him in, kazakhstan. i think it was, you know, he's on top of his brief. he's got energy, he's got a certain charisma. i mean, i'm not a particularly a fan of david cameron, but i think he's doing a good job. and, you know, if you want to do a compare and contrast, you know, you've got david cameron, you've got david lammy who may or may not be a labour foreign secretary. if they win. i think the other

thing about this, this speech that rishi sunak's made and to a certain extent to address what daniel was talking about, policy. in the end, it's what people feel. and i think people have by and large had enough of the conservative party. it doesn't mean to say they want, keir starmer or the labour party. i think they just want change, and what do you think to this, cameron, do you think david cameron would ever want to be the tory leader again? >> well, i think it's wild speculation, but i will say this, and you watching him in the house of lords or seeing him do his job and being on the telly. david cameron is undoubtedly a class act . now, undoubtedly a class act. now, i don't agree with him about all his policies and everything. he's done, but he is a conservative and he is a class act. but i don't think the future of the conservative party lies necessarily in going back, and i think he'd see that as well. the future of the conservative party, whether in government or in opposition after the next general election, lies in going forward. >> but he was if you asked me,

he was neglectful in his role because, of course, he gave us that brexit referendum . but that brexit referendum. but there seemed to be no planning whatsoever as to what we'd actually do as a country if people voted to leave the european union, then everyone will remember at the morning of that result, he just packed his bag and ran away . bag and ran away. >> well, i think that's a little unfair. i think. i think what's unfair. i think. i think what's unfair about that, because i think actually, if you are the prime minister and you have a policy and that policy is rejected , major policy. yeah. rejected, major policy. yeah. and that policy is rejected , and that policy is rejected, then our tradition is that the prime minister would say, well, i don't have the confidence of the house of commons if it was rejected in the commons , or at rejected in the commons, or at least in this case, i don't have the confidence of the country. how can i carry on and just i can't do a turn on a sixpence and say, i didn't believe everything i said. so i think it was perfectly honourable for him to resign. i do agree with you, however, on this question. i think the government should have prepared for both outcomes and had a plan as to what they were going to do, and it was a

deliberate decision by the government not to do that. and i think that was that was a very bad step, and, and i know they did it because they thought if they start planning for it, it would give people, you know, encourage people somehow to vote for brexit, but they decided not to do that. that was a mistake. but i think it was very onorable of him actually to resign. and it does him great credit that he that he recognised that you can't be as dishonest as that. >> well >> well do >> well do you >> well do you give >> well do you give david cameron credit. do you think he would make a good future leader of the tory party again, one of my views is quite in touch, said the man. for the job. if it was ever to be again would be boris johnson . yeah. i was just about johnson. yeah. i was just about to say i can. i knew that there'd be some wincing coming from jeff phillips when i suggested that i got to say, let me know your thoughts. >> nigel worried by boris being such a winner. you see, that's the trouble. the opposition want him out because he's such a good, such a winner. >> dreadful is. he is such a

winner. is he? everyone what's your thoughts on that? she says is a dreadful man, what do you make of boris johnson? you'll tell me anyway, because i know lots of you actually rather quite like him, coming up after the break, you guys have sent me some good news stories. i appreciate that. i'll share them, also as well, though, i want to talk about do you think there is, how do i wear this delicately? a religion in town that you seem to be able to criticise when perhaps you can't any other. i'm talking about the lib dems and the fact that they have been accused of deselecting a candidate based on his religion. what religion do you think that was? see you in

hello there. i'm michelle dewberry, and i'm with you till 7:00 tonight alongside my lord daniel moylan and joe phillips remain, craig has been in touch saying. michelle, why are you dressed as the blockbuster , the

dressed as the blockbuster, the blockbusters table today. he'd like a pea. please i think you're showing your age, quite frankly. there, craig. who's this? i like this one, james said my grandson , has been said my grandson, has been helping help for heroes , he's helping help for heroes, he's only 16 years old. he says he's grown his for hair three years. he's had his head shaved, and then he's donated the hair to then he's donated the hair to the little princess trust, that's really nice. he says they are two fantastic charities that need that plug. his name is matthew. well, good on you. we like that . and janet says, i've like that. and janet says, i've got great news. michelle, i'm leaving the uk on june the 30th to go and start a new life with our daughter in spain. she said the even better news, though , is the even better news, though, is worry not because she's going to continue watching gb news and dewbs & co, i appreciate it, can dewbs& co, i appreciate it, can i come and move with you? sometimes i think i've had enough of the uk, look , speaking enough of the uk, look, speaking of the uk and we've just been talking about politics there, and we touched on brexit. there's been a court ruling today which will frustrate many people because basically what it was suggesting is that the rwanda plan, daniel, shouldn't

apply to northern ireland because it breaches post—brexit arrangements and specifically the echr. what do you make of that ? that? >> well, i think there are two things at the root of this. the first is that when we had the good friday agreement, we put in place a commitment that the european convention on human rights would be something that would be entrenched in northern ireland with a view to protecting the rights of people from both main, both major communities. yeah. and i don't think anyone sort of objects to that. and shortly afterwards we had our own human rights act, which applies to northern ireland, which , which took the ireland, which, which took the european convention and put it into uk law. so the first problem is that this was this was all done with a view to protecting the rights of the communities in northern ireland, andifs communities in northern ireland, and it's now being used and i would say abused in a sense , to would say abused in a sense, to make it more difficult to remove illegal refugees , which was illegal refugees, which was never the intention in the first place. the second part is that, however, that while in the rest of the uk we can override, we

can change the human rights act because it's parliament, can change an act of parliament and the human rights act is an act of parliament. so it can be changed, it can be overridden in, they're now arguing that in northern ireland that can't be the case because the post—brexit arrangements mean that it's embedded in northern ireland law under because eu law applies there, because we haven't actually completed brexit, because northern ireland is still partly governed by european union law. the irony of all of this, funnily enough, is that the european union has resolutely refused to sign the european convention on human rights so they're actually, you know, it's being imposed on us by the european union, which won't sign it in the first place. do you know why? why it would infringe on their sovereignty and the european court of justice has stopped them from signing up to it because it would infringe on european union sovereignty. there you go. >> you can tell all your mates that story down the pub will quiz you on how much of that you paid attention to. what do i tell you? all the stuff. rerun. it is very interesting stuff.

this world is going mad, isn't it? i tell you that all the time. the liberal democrats there, they have been accused of deselecting a candidate based on his religion. yes, many of you guessed that religion rights is of course christian, this is apparently a breach of equality law. they're going to complain to the echr about this. you used to the echr about this. you used to be an adviser for the lib dems. i once had the audacity a couple of weeks ago to call you an adviser to labour, and i'm very quickly corrected myself. what do you make to this? >> well, i don't know the ins and outs of this particular case, michelle and i would suspect that, as with a lot of these things, there may be more behind the scenes that we don't know about . i mean, behind the scenes that we don't know about. i mean, ed behind the scenes that we don't know about . i mean, ed davey, know about. i mean, ed davey, leader of the liberal democrats, tim farron , former leader of the tim farron, former leader of the liberal democrats. they are both practising christians. i mean, tim farron resigned because he couldn't , he he couldn't equate couldn't, he he couldn't equate his christianity and his faith with the party's policy on gay

marriage or say, you know, same sex marriage , i think. but what sex marriage, i think. but what this shows, i think this is a really interesting thing that we've, i think in this country have got a very strange relationship with christianity . relationship with christianity. how so? because i think we feel slightly uncomfortable about it. there's a there's a certain sort of snobbery. there's a certain sort of like, i feel a bit uncomfortable about somebody who might be a god botherer or a bible basher or those sort of things, but we are perhaps find it easier to accommodate, people of faith where their faith is much more obvious. you know, maybe they are stricter. maybe it's because we know about rules on on kosher eating on on muslim food and practices and things like that. and maybe it's because, to a certain extent, the church of england , is quite the church of england, is quite wishy washy. it's a lovely church to get married in. we all know the archbishop of canterbury , it's a bit sort of canterbury, it's a bit sort of midsomer murders. if you like,

and i'm not sure that when it comes down to real, faith and commitment that we feel comfortable with it and we, you know, we do see this quite often cropping up. and tony blair or alastair campbell on behalf of tony blair, famously said , we tony blair, famously said, we don't do god, even though we know that tony blair was, you know, a devout christian. daniel. >> well, there are two separate things here, aren't them? the first is there are certain policy issues which traditionally have been regarded as matters of conscience and not party policy. so they would include things like abortion, for example. so is the death penalty. are others where mps and others have always been allowed to vote? according to their conscience and there hasn't been a party policy. what's happened on the left? the liberal democrats in particular, explicitly now make some of these things part of their party policy . so if you're not happy policy. so if you're not happy with those things, david alton, who sits in the house of lords, was a liberal democrat mp. he

left the liberal democrats years ago over his opposition to abortion because he wasn't allowed to carry on expressing his own conscientious view, while still remaining part of a party which now officially, supported it. so that's been happening on the left. it hasn't been happening on the there's no conservative party policy that tells you how to vote on abortion, for example. and there are other issues that come in the queue behind that, which might be to do with gay marriage and things like that. that's got nothing necessarily to do with religion, because there are lots of people who are opposed to abortion who are not on on religious grounds. and of course, there are muslims who are opposed to abortion, just as there are, i'm sure, hindus and so on. it's not just christians who are opposed to practising christians who are opposed to abortion. the second question is how we treat christianity in the pubuc how we treat christianity in the public realm. and it's absolutely true. i think you only have to watch television programmes, dramas and things like that , and that mostly you like that, and that mostly you see that there is a bias against christianity . vie there is christianity. vie there is a sort of sneering ness about

christianity which is acceptable. i think you know where it's coming from , i'll where it's coming from, i'll come back to that which is acceptable in relation is accepted in relation to christianity. but which people would think very carefully about if they were taking the same attitude towards religious practices from , other religious practices from, other religious practices. yeah. so i think there is an unfair bias in that sense against christianity, where is it coming from? i think there's a bunch of people who run our media and so on who who do who , who personally do sneer do who, who personally do sneer at at the practice of religion. they think it's mildly. >> but do they sneer at religion or do they sneer at christianity? because what you're saying is they wouldn't have the audacity. they probably take the mick out of islam or whatever, probably sneer at all religious practice and religious belief, and they think it antediluvian in some ways, even though it's still the case that the vast majority of the world's population actually believes in one religion or another , so they one religion or another, so they do sneer at it. the point is, they wouldn't dare say something that would offend muslims, not because they're terrified of

being. i'm not saying muslims would murder them or they'd be fatwahs or things like that. i'm not saying that because of the reaction, it's just that they don't feel that they can go into that area yet. i'm sure at some stage it's not night, is it, daniel? >> i mean, i know it's not new. it goes back at least 20 years. it goes back at least 20 years. i think it's yes, exactly. i would say sort of 20, 30 years. and actually, you know, if you think about it, the most of the time when we as the general public, if you're not a churchgoer , are exposed to churchgoer, are exposed to christian vie, so think of the queen's funeral , for instance. queen's funeral, for instance. think of the coronation. it's those sort of event . it's those those sort of event. it's those big sort of set piece events where you see it and in a way it is the ceremonial that people are familiar with, rather than the teachings of the bible or the teachings of the bible or the questions that the bible raises. i mean, i think, i think it's difficult . the town that i

it's difficult. the town that i live in, one of the schools there has just told a local vicar to thanks very much, but we don't need you coming to the school because we're not having any religious speakers coming into the school now , see, i find into the school now, see, i find that quite astonishing because i think, you know, most of us probably grew up in the back of our minds . we know the stories our minds. we know the stories from the bible, you know, whether it's the nativity or whether it's the nativity or whether it's the nativity or whether it's , you know, pillars whether it's, you know, pillars of salt or parting of the red sea and all of those sort of things. i mean, we use words and phrases in our everyday language that come from the bible and stories in the bible. and i think, you know, it's a bit like shakespeare. we use phrases all the time that come from shakespeare without knowing which play they come from. and i think in a way , if you if you think in a way, if you if you dilute it, we it's a little bit like we are with saint george's day. i think, that we've got this rather uncomfortable image harassment about it. >> i think the question to ask is this there's a there's a

whole set of people who, if you announced, if you were one, a part of that set and you announced you'd become a buddhist, people would say, oh, that's really cool. that's really interesting, you know? oh, i never, never thought about that in my you know, carry on. and if you said you'd become an evangelical christian, they think you were completely weird and they wouldn't talk to you again, i don't know, because, what's it called, the alpha course or whatever it's called. >> i think that seems to be, quite popular. so maybe it's is there an issue with the branding, the pr if you would like, of the way that people are promoting that religion, perhaps i >> -- >> well, it's interesting about that because, you know, the alpha course is popular and it's popular, especially with young people , and, and they go to it people, and, and they go to it and then they go back to their jobs. and i wonder, i wonder how many of them, when they go back to their jobs, actually talk about it. i think they live in two separate worlds, the world of their religious community and the world of work and things like that, where they keep it to themselves, i suspect. i don't think they they , they, they mix think they they, they, they mix the two. >> but do you think that it's because, as i said, that, you

know, anglicanism in a way is a is it's easy. you can go to a wedding, you can go to a funeral, but you don't have to go every week. but still call yourself a christian, well, you guys are having the conversation amongst yourselves at home. les on the website says religion and the workplace are separate. we should keep it that way. but roger replies then, well, i work in a church, so i'd struggle with that. quite frankly . so with that. quite frankly. so there you go. the lib dems have responded. i must say as well, and said that this decision about this deselection is apparently undergoing an appeal, so they don't want to comment further at this stage, but they do, stress that they are home to people of all faiths and none, including many christians , there including many christians, there you go. you know what? i'll leave you guys to have your own thoughts on that after the break. the world health organisation should they be the ones that decide how your life is affected , with what you can is affected, with what you can and can't do? should there ever be a new pandemic or should it be a new pandemic or should it be closer to home? the uk government making those decisions. tell me your thoughts

hi there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00. the conservative life peer in the house of lords , daniel moylan house of lords, daniel moylan and the political commentator joe phillips, alongside me. norman says, michel. christianity. and in fact, actually the average white male, he says, have been constantly under attack from the left and liberals for years. he says. baker says religion, michel has caused far more war and death than anything else in his mind , than anything else in his mind, echo? is that how you say your name? you say you can't believe that so many people are still wrapped up in religion in 2024. but i can tell you, there's lots of people getting in touch and defending christianity. a few of you saying, please , can you you saying, please, can you remind everyone that essentially this is still a christian country? michel and sue says, please, can i say i'm proud to be church of england? and i wish others would feel the same and

have the pride and passion that she has in our country now, if there was a pandemic , heaven there was a pandemic, heaven forbid, ever to happen again, who do you think should have the final say in terms of how your life is impacted as a response ? life is impacted as a response? well, the world health organisation, they apparently vie think it should be them. listen, i believe the time is right for an international treaty or other legally binding instrument to provide the framework for a more coherent and coordinated response to future epidemics and pandemics . future epidemics and pandemics. >> whatever new structures or mechanisms are established, they must promote equity and galvanise the engagement and ownership of all countries . ownership of all countries. >> so, i mean, there's been a lot of kind of toing and froing on the world health organisation's pandemic, treaty. bofis organisation's pandemic, treaty. boris johnson, actually, he was a signature to the article in the first place, back in 2021,

that kind of brought us into these conversations. they're voting on, one of the final versions in may. there's been quite a lot of pushback to this daniel moylan, and i think you put your name alongside that. >> well, nigel farage is your colleague has started a sort of campaign, to reform the who. and i've signed up to that because i think it's in desperate need of reform. and i don't think they can be heard credibly on pandemic issues until they've actually dug into what the origins of the last pandemic was, because that, i think, is crucial. you can't understand how to handle a future pandemic if you don't know what started the last one. but i think the big important thing here is, and i'm fortunate, i was one of a number of peers and mps who, had a meeting with the relevant minister recently to talk about it. the important things to remember before we get too panicked is that, first of all, we haven't actually seen the text of what this treaty says. secondly, the minister assures us that a lot of the worst things in it have been taken out, and we'll be able to check

that when we do see the text. and thirdly, he says that there won't be anything in it that will tie the government's hands in handling things in the best interests of the british people interests of the british people in the future. my only worry about that is that we often sign up to these things, like the refugee convention in the 1950s, and then discover that years later , they're being applied in later, they're being applied in a very different way, and the courts are saying they should be interpreted. and the belfast agreement and the european court of human rights or convention on human rights, which we discussed earlier. so my worry is that there might be things in it that look fine now, but later might be interpreted some other way. but let's see the text before we get too excited about it. >> joe phillips yeah, absolutely. >> i mean, it's not happening right now. and this action on world health are the organiser of this campaign, which nigel farage and daniel have got behind to reform. i mean, i think the trouble is with all these huge bodies like world health organisation and the un to a certain extent and anything like that, they become, you know, these great big

juggernauts that move very slowly, that they're, you know, tied up in bureaucracy . i do tied up in bureaucracy. i do think it's important that there is a global organisation that acts as a sort of a monitoring and reporting system, because otherwise you know how would we know what's happening, you know, whether it's ebola, whether it's avian flu, whether it's something. >> yeah. so you can have a standardised data set to catch that information, all of that sort of stuff. >> but i can't imagine that, you know, anybody of the 149 member countries are going to say, oh, yeah, that's fine. you just decide. i mean, i think daniel's right. let's see the text, but let's see what you know, what it says and what it proposes. i mean, i can't see any government signing up to it. can you? >> it's like your way of saying you agree with nigel farage. >> no, not particularly, but i thought that's the territory we were going down there, joe. no, i mean, i do, you know, broadly speaking , i think i mean, i do, you know, broadly speaking, i think nigel is probably using this as a bit of a publicity stunt, but i agree with daniel, more importantly,

that let's see the text before we start debating it in the house. >> well, many people, of course, will be familiar with donald trump. do you remember his attitude to the way he was having? absolutely none of it at all. was he get out? was his approach until biden, of course, then came along and did that , then came along and did that, linda says michelle, given the amount of deaths during covid, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to have a pandemic treaty , well, anthony, you have treaty, well, anthony, you have a completely different view. you say, i would go as far as suggesting that the who should be completely dissolved. stephen says absolutely, categorically, no. and he's asking for a referendum on this one before it got enforced, richard says we should leave the who. we do not want to be controlled by an unelected body. there's a theme there, isn't it? because that, of course, was one of the driving factors to brexit. i mean, many people and we should point out that donald trump, of course, you know, that well—known health expert who suggested that people should try drinking bleach .

drinking bleach. >> well, no, one of the problems there, though, joe, it's been serious. of course, drinking bleach is a stupid idea, but one of the problems is that the people who were experts in the united states ended up, you know, being exposed as telling us a load of porkies and not just in the united states. and that's that's really the problem. trust has been destroyed on the part of the experts. and the who. just peddled the chinese line because because the chinese appear to be funding them. >> indeed, an awful lot of people got very drunk on power indeed during the last pandemic, didn't they ? libby, your didn't they? libby, your thoughts on all the usual ways? email, twitter or on our website coming up after the break, do you think they should be what people are calling a league table , which publicly shows table, which publicly shows which kind of asylum seekers, from which country or which status are committing the crimes 7 status are committing the crimes ? tell me your thoughts. see you in two.

hi there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till seven. conservative live here in the house of lords. daniel moylan and the political commentator jeff phillips alongside me. simon's been in touch saying, i've really enjoyed this debate tonight. michelle, there is no shouting, just decent conversation and debate on the issues that are important. thank you very much for that, one of my viewers, you just got in touch about christianity. let me find you, because i thought it was quite interesting what you said, you were saying basically that we are a christian country that's forgotten how to be christian. i thought that was quite interesting . oh, that was quite interesting. oh, that was mark, actually. he says we're a christian based society that does not practice christianity anymore. they go, that's mark's comment. i think it's quite an interesting one. anyway, it look, there's a lot of people quite upset today. when is there. not this time because there's a proposal for what some people are calling a league table, this is basically about migrant nationalities looking at the crime committed by those

people. and then it would be kind of broken down into their asylum status, their claims, etc, and then published. that's a key part. published. where would you stand on doing this, lord moylan i don't see that there'd be a huge benefit in doing what you describe , but i doing what you describe, but i doing what you describe, but i do think that there is something going on that the police and the television don't tell us about particular crimes. >> some of the things we want to know, and we do want to know in some cases, what is the nationality of this person . and nationality of this person. and we do want to know if they are first time migrants, even if they're legal migrants, if they're legal migrants, if they're first time migrants into this country, because otherwise we don't actually get a sense. and we a lot of people are suspicious that there's something going on that they're not being told. and i think you can trust people and tell them the truth about these cases, joe, i think i think it's a rather dangerous area. >> and i think the way it's

being reported is ghastly. this sort of league table, you might remember , you know, a few years remember, you know, a few years ago, there were a lot of romanians coming to this country. and, you know, they were all labelled beggars. and there were, you know, sleeping in tents along park lane in london and that sort of thing , london and that sort of thing, actually, you know, they turned out to be an awful lot of extremely good builders and electricians and craftspeople and care workers and that thing. so i think anything that, starts ticking labels on a particular race or nationality, i think is dangerous. >> it's not sticking labels, is it? data doesn't lie. data is not racist, and data isn't used to , kind of categorise falsely. to, kind of categorise falsely. if the data is there and it's transparent, then everyone will know what the picture is. >> it's absolutely fine. but i think there are there are ways of doing it. and i am absolutely sure that certainly one could find out on crime statistics . i find out on crime statistics. i mean, you can certainly look at areas where crime is committed. you would certainly be able to look at the age of ,

look at the age of, perpetrators. you would certainly be able to look at the gender of perpetrators. i would have thought, because all of those things will be in police records, well, not the sex, because they would be assessed under current practice. >> the police would say that a man who identified as a woman would be down in their records as a woman. >> you get my drift ? >> you get my drift? >> you get my drift? >> so even start me on that one. no, i'll spontaneously combust. and i've only got about two minutes to go. >> i think we might spontaneously combust anyway because it's so hot in here. >> but air conditioning is not working. this is what you haven't told your audience. >> but i know, i know because i try and i try and present a professional image or any teething issues i know. >> hidden. look, he's not even broken into a sweat and his tie's done up. >> yes, it is quite warm here. but you know what? we'd all be whingeing, wouldn't we? if it's freezing cold, the sun has come out. it is warming things up a little bit, which i, for one, quite frankly do appreciate. i can tell you now, you know, i do feel a little bit whenever a crime is committed and they

always say, i remember that the chemical attacker in clapham and they were saying like they were asking for the public's health help to track down a man. there was no description whatsoever, just a man. and you sit there and you go, come on now. whereas when it does seem to be a white person that has committed a crime, you do seem to get access to those kind of descriptions, including the skin colour, etc, etc. rather quickly . is it just etc. rather quickly. is it just me that's noticed that anyone else noticed that or not, lots of people. i can tell you now do think we should be knowing who is doing what wilkinson says. what on earth would the government be scared of when it comes to publishing this information? julie says absolutely. a report should be made to be and to be published because we, as citizens of this country are indeed entitled to know that information. >> with that information, i mean, you know , if you then end mean, you know, if you then end up with lynch mobs, well, you know, julie is probably not going to do a lot with it. >> but if you're someone that works in the, in the field of law and order, then you probably know where to direct your

resources and your attention, and then you can have proper conversations, lie—ins based on facts. and then when people start crying that she's a racist or whatever, but that's you can pull out the facts that's using it for, you know, law and order. >> that's not for the public. >> that's not for the public. >> well, there you go. you can look at all the detail in your spare time because that's all i've got time for. up next is nigel farage. i suspect he might have something to say on the w.h.o. don't have something to say on the who. don't go anywhere. w.h.o. don't go anywhere. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hi there. time for a look at the weather with the met office for gb news cloud and rain moves east very slowly over the next 24 hours. showers follow the main band of rain that we've seen across western parts during the day, and it's going to turn cooler across the country as we lose the warm sunshine that we've seen so much of during the last few days. we do keep some clear spells in the east on monday night, but otherwise

there is this cloud and rain progressing its way very slowly eastwards , followed by showers eastwards, followed by showers into the southwest, interspersed by clear spells where we do get some clear spells in the west. temperatures will dip into the single figures, but otherwise it's 12 to 15 celsius first thing tuesday and a damp, dreary start for central and southern scotland. northern and eastern england. that rain really persists throughout much of the day. it does become more fragmented into the afternoon, so on and off rain and nothing particularly heavy but a marked contrast compared with recent days, with temperatures back to 16 to 18 celsius. a little bit cooler than that, where we've got the persistent rain and where we've got the low cloud hugging the coast further west, we keep some clear spells on tuesday and into wednesday clear spells, some sunshine in between, any showers but those showers will be quite lively across southwest england in particular, a few rumbles of thunder around driest and brightest for northeast scotland . but otherwise we've got the cloud and some damp weather to contend with in the east. thursday and friday. further sunny spells and showers .

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gb news. >> good evening. a big speech today by rishi sunak saying he's the man you can trust to keep the man you can trust to keep the country safe. while unsurprised, keir starmer disagrees. we're going to be asking you . who do you think asking you. who do you think would be the best leader given the situation in the world? this morning i launched a campaign about the world health organisation who want in two weeks time for us to sign a treaty that would give them huge powers. i'm dead against it. i'll debate this with an american academic who thinks the whole thing is a good idea. american academic who thinks the whole thing is a good idea . the whole thing is a good idea. the and religion in politics ought to be specific . christianity in to be specific. christianity in politics. is there any place for

practising christians in today's