savings initiative that puts food on the table . electric and food on the table. electric and gas enemies's. it delivers heating, hot water it delivers to the people. >> that's james anderson. he's been billed a hero, a great samaritan and britain's kindest plumber. he offers services for free to all the vulnerable people in society . i've got to people in society. i've got to say, though, he's been making headunes say, though, he's been making headlines for all the wrong reasons. today, a bbc expose alleges that he is a liar that is misused donations and that it is misused donations and that it is his exploited his customers. james anderson joins me live tonight to respond to those allegations and get this right. a new study shows that 1 in 20 adults have a food allergy. why on earth do you think this number is so high? and mps , they

number is so high? and mps, they averted the cyclist to be jailed for up to 14 years if they cause a death on the road. do you support that? and also let me ask you this about cyclists. do you think they should have to have insurance ? we've got all have insurance? we've got all that and more. but before we get stuck in, let's cross live for tonight's latest news headlines . tonight's latest news headlines. >> michelle. thank you. the top stories this hour. around 16,000 households in devon have been told to boil their water before drinking for another week after a parasite was found in a key reservoir. the uk health security agency says 22 people are confirmed to have become sick, and as many as 70 other cases of diarrhoea and vomiting are under investigation. the tory mp for totnes and south devon criticised south west water for what he said was slow

and poor communication. the company has apologised for the outbreak and has offered £100 of compensation to those affected . compensation to those affected. sir keir starmer has told gb news that there will be no tax cuts under a labour government until the economy is back on the path to growth. the labour leader says that while he wants to keep the tax burden as low as possible, he also wants to ensure that living standards improve. he said british people deserve to know that future generations will enjoy better opportunities, but that can only be achieved with tangible steps. >> wherever we, have said we will raise taxes, we've set out what we will raise and what we'll spend the money on. so what you did hear this morning is that we're going to get rid of the tax break for private schools and use that money for the teachers we need in our state secondary schools. we did here is we're going to get rid of the non—dom status properly and use that money towards reducing or reducing waiting lists. the tax burden on people

is as high as it's ever been under this government, you know, this has been the tax rising government of all time. >> a five year old boy has died after falling from an apartment block in east london. it's understood the child fell from the upper floor of a building in plaistow shortly before 6:00 this morning. the death is being treated as unexpected , though treated as unexpected, though not suspicious, and authorities are still working to establish the full circumstances . lawyers the full circumstances. lawyers for donald trump painted his former fixer as someone who celebrated the former president's legal troubles , as president's legal troubles, as the hush money trial continues today. the court was played audio clips of michael cohen saying the case fills him with delight and that he felt giddy with hope and laughter, imagining mr trump in prison. the former president faces 34 counts of falsifying business records in relation to a payment to a former adult film star. he denies any wrongdoing . lawyers denies any wrongdoing. lawyers for the families of lucy letby

victims say an inquiry into her crime should be live streamed in an effort to prevent conspiracy theories . the former nurse was theories. the former nurse was sentenced to 14 whole life orders after she was convicted of murdering seven babies and attempting to murder six more. a lawyer representing the families of six victims says the case continues to attract conspiracy theorists, and hearing from the people involved would be an effective way to tackle them. it comes after the new yorker magazine published an article about the case under the headline, did she do it ? double headline, did she do it? double child killer? colin pitchfork next parole hearing will take place in public in july. he was jailed for life for raping and strangling 215 year old girls, lynda mann and dawn ashworth, in leicestershire in 1983 and 1986. in other news, teenagers could be recruited to help plug a shortage of train drivers under new proposals put forward today. the government is asking for views on lowering the minimum

age for drivers from 20 to 18, which it says would help build resilience across the railway. the average age of a driver is 48 and the workforce is projected to shrink over the coming years, with many due to retire. it's hoped the proposal will set thousands of young people on track to a career in transport. junior doctors in england are holding fresh talks with the government in an effort to end their long running dispute over pay . it's hoped the dispute over pay. it's hoped the negotiations will help avoid further walkouts , with doctors further walkouts, with doctors demanding a 35% pay rise. health secretary victoria atkins says she's pleased the british medical association have agreed to the mediation. >> but since i was appointed as secretary of state in november, i've worked incredibly hard to try to tackle industrial action because we know that in the last yearit because we know that in the last year it has led to some 1.4 million appointments being cancelled , and that has a real cancelled, and that has a real impact for patients. and so this is, i hope, a welcome step forward with the junior doctors

committee of the bma to ensure that conversations about pay , that conversations about pay, but also working conditions can happenin but also working conditions can happen in private . happen in private. >> and for the latest stories. sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gb news. com slash alerts. now it's back to . michelle. >> thanks for that. tatiana and michelle dewberry , and i'm with michelle dewberry, and i'm with you till 7:00 tonight alongside me. i've got my panel, the former editor of the sun, kelvin mackenzie, and the author and political organiser james schneider. good evening to both of you. and you know the drill on this program. everyone is not just about us three. it is about you guys at home as well. what's on your mind tonight that you can get in touch with me all the usual ways? you can email me gb views @gbnews. com you can go to the website then you snazzy route in town gbnews.com/yoursay and you can chat there. of course you can tweet or x me

there's lots that i want to talk to you about tonight. i'll get stuck into the starmer six pledges in just a second. but before i do this, this is something i've got coming up later on in the programme. let's remind ourselves about this man known as britain's kindest plumber. >> james anderson provides free plumbing and heating services to people who are elderly, vulnerable or living with disability and struggling with the cost of living crisis . i the cost of living crisis. i just want to say, first of all, you know, well done for everything you're doing because there are obviously so many people in desperate need. a man who gives all year round. >> he does his name is james anderson. he's a plumber who couldn't stand seeing people getting cold because they didn't have enough money for boiler repairs. so he started doing it for free. >> this week. we've got an amazing story about a plumber with a massive heart. hi my name is james and i with a massive heart. hi my name isjames and i run with a massive heart. hi my name is james and i run a community initiative . initiative. >> see, many of you will indeed be familiar with that organisation. and james himself. i mean, i confess i've chucked a few bob in there as well. have you, james joins me next,

actually, he wants to respond to actually, he wants to respond to a bbc expose which alleged alleges that he is a liar, that he's been exploiting people, manipulating and so on, and so forth. so we'll come back to that in a couple of minutes. but before we do , let's look then, before we do, let's look then, shall we? sir keir starmer he has been speaking today outlining six circle pledges. look. outlining six circle pledges. look . he says that he's going to look. he says that he's going to deliver economic stability. he's going to cut waiting lists. he's going to cut waiting lists. he's going to cut waiting lists. he's going to launch a new border command, set up great british energy, cracked down on antisocial behaviour and recruit 6500 new teachers. he's got a little card. it goes in your pocket. look, one card, six steps in your hand. >> a plan to change the country. this is a message that we can take to every doorstep across

the country, every doorstep across the country , and make across the country, and make that argument decline is not inevitable. politics can make a difference. britain will have a better future , and you can better future, and you can chooseit better future, and you can choose it with labour. >> oh, i love a good card in my pocket with some pledges, as this one. you were over kelvin , this one. you were over kelvin, well, it wouldn't win me over, no matter whether he was going to offer me half £1 million in my back pocket, tax free. frankly, i wouldn't believe a word he says. he's a lawyer and lawyers just take any cab. that's coming off the rank. that's coming off the rank. that's the way they make their money. they don't believe in anything . he doesn't believe in anything. he doesn't believe in anything. he doesn't believe in anything. and those six pledges, the only thing that the right and the left will agree on is that it must be the least ambitious, so x i have ever read in my life. i have no idea why he feels he had to say it. i mean, the one that made me laugh most of all, made me laugh. i've

been listening to this. now, as you might understand, i'm a slightly older than you two guys. i've been listening to crack downs on anti—social behaviour all my life. he's got no more chance of doing that than he has of either delivering economic stability or cutting the nhs waiting list. the guy is a total and complete charlatan and he's going to win by a thousand miles. he is the left wing's answer to donald trump. >> get your backside off that fence. it's uncomfortable on there, james, what do you make to it? i i hate to agree with kelvin, but when he said that the left and the right will have a similar view, i, i pretty much agree. >> i mean, firstly , keir starmer >> i mean, firstly, keir starmer has had so many different pledges all of which he has reneged on, even ones that he announced a year ago. then he's reneging on only a, only a few months later. so he is he's an extremely untrustworthy message carrier for it. and then, and then in terms of the content of

them, i mean , most of them are them, i mean, most of them are fine as far as they go, but they don't go very far. i mean, 6500 new teachers would be a good thing, but that's 0.2 teachers per school in england . so you per school in england. so you get a fifth of an extra teacher over the course of two parliaments over the course of ten years. so it's small beer, but they do anything that you'd like. >> have you got an issue with him because he's not keir starmer. sorry, jeremy corbyn. no of course i've supported some things that they do. >> i think that great british energy would be a good thing if they would put any money to it and then hold on to the assets for the british people . i don't for the british people. i don't imagine that that is what's going to happen. there are bits of the agenda that they've had over the last few years, including things that he has announced that i've thought of. good. >> just most give me a good thing that you think that he's getting right, then. >> no. in the past, i mean, so, for example, the workers. >> right. the workers have agreed with it. of course, a lot stronger i did. yeah. and now, by the way, it's not been

watered down a lot, but it's been watered down a little, you know, on the zero hours, you can now claim them after you've done three months work, you can go to zero hours, that kind of thing. every thing he says, in the end of the day, he waters down. and this is with him being 30 points aheadin this is with him being 30 points ahead in the polls. i couldn't imagine if it was neck and neck. he'd be going backwards and forwards all the time. but when you're 30 points, why don't you actually say what you're thinking and what actually is in your heart? the idea that the other issue that he's always going on about is tax. there is no way that a labour government is going to be able to do anything but add to taxation. and there's only one group that are going to face it. it is the middle classes, who, by and large are the people who are watching this show tonight , i'm watching this show tonight, i'm afraid, ladies and gentlemen, get prepared to pay even more , get prepared to pay even more, either through council tax and the like. crafty taxes round the side are going to come in thanks to starmer . to starmer. >> let's have a look what ed miliband says. i think i found someone that agrees with him. >> a plan on gb news g. our new

publicly owned energy company, which will build renewable power across britain, is absolutely essential to tackling the climate crisis. it is about lower bills, it's about energy security. so we're not at the mercy of dictators like putin. and it's about good jobs across britain. and if a labour government is elected, that's what we'll be doing. it is about it's about giving to people first steps, clear promises that we can deliver and gems. >> so the gb energy is a good idea. it'sjust it >> so the gb energy is a good idea. it's just it was going to have a lot of money that would have a lot of money that would have made the difference. and now the amount of money that they're talking about is two things. firstly, they're saying actually we're not going to put in very much of the money. we're going to use it to crowd in private money, which any public money would do anyway. and then they cut down the amount of money that they were going to put into the green plan. it's supposed to be 28 billion. yeah. and then it went down to less than a fifth of that. and this is what we see again and again. you know, people like ed

miliband who i think his heart is in the right place and he's pushing things in the direction of what he believes. he gets these chinks of light where they get to put forward a policy where you can see where it would be different from the government, and something would be different, and then it just gets watered back. and that's because the tories have made such a hash of the country in the last 14 years. all keir starmer has to do is stand to next them and not be them. and he wins by a decent majority and thatis he wins by a decent majority and that is what he's going to do. that strategy is being successful. it just it's not an honest strategy and it's not a strategy to change the country in any way. >> one of my viewers, stephen, says, why are they trying to get keir starmer to act like tony blair? you say he's got the same hand movements, the sleeves rolled up, he's talking about change, he says. is anyone fooled by this? but keir starmer actually responded to those comparisons with tony blair. and he says the first thing i would say about tony blair, other than he took his tie off at big events, is that he won three elections in a row. so there you go. is there anything wrong with that comparison? i don't often cast myself in the role of

defender of sir keir starmer. i confess. but you know, everyone's having a go at him saying that it's flip flopping and that is u—turning and that is watering things down. and all the rest of it. but isn't there an argument to be said? you know, you've set out your stall, you're getting closer to the election, so you're finessing your thinking. and actually, if your thinking. and actually, if you need to revise your plans , you need to revise your plans, having the chops to do that, rather than standing boldly past next to a plan that you know is not going to work just so that you can say, i didn't u—turn, isn't it better to evolve and iterate as you go along? >> you know , i mean, on the gb >> you know, i mean, on the gb news on the on on the energy idea. >> the last council that got involved in, in deciding to do what what mr miliband and starmer are suggesting was, of course, nottinghamshire county council, who went for in some, some kind of thing called robin hood energy, which has gone so spectacularly bust because immediately the state were involved in anything like that. it never works. they've gone so bust that the, that the that the

council have had to basically call in the receivers. so i look at the end of the day the tories are going to be defeated right . are going to be defeated right. so we've just got to face that. it's going to be terrible. obviously not helped by thyssen co deciding to set up their own party, but they're going to be defeated. and when they are defeated. and when they are defeated and unfortunately we are then going to have a guy in there who's talking about big grand designs like economics and all the rest of it. the truth about the matter is his party will own the potholes within 20 minutes of being elected, and let's just see how popular they are within half an hour of being elected. >> daryl says this six point plan. where's the measurables? michelle? they all seem to be bold statements, but where are the measurables? is now the time for him to be coming up with the details and the measurables? do you think we'll get those a little bit closer, towards the election? >> james, i think there are. to be fair, there are some measurables in here, like the 6500 teachers and how much class sizes are going to come down.

and it is certainly more solid than do you remember when ed miliband was leader? there was the edstone, which had i remember the one of them on, there was an nhs with time to care, which is the most sort of airy, meaningless thing, possible. i think he, he is going to lay out the detail as much as he feels he has to, and that won't be the full amount that won't be the full amount that that should be seen. there won't be a full plan that will be laid out because it also won't particularly make sense. the big hole in the middle of labour's plans at the moment is that they think that there's a budget, there's a button somewhere in the treasury called growth, and that the tories just simply haven't been able to find this button. and then when they get in, they'll find out that such a button doesn't exist. so they can't put too many details on it. but i mean, there are to be fair to them, they do have some things, you know, that are in black and white that you can see whether they're going to do or not. they've just given themselves huge amounts of leeway to deliver them, but they've called them first steps.

so they're suggesting there's going to be more. >> although yeah, i mean, he says stuff like, to start getting our nhs back on its feet, which, by the way, i think everyone's got a bit of a cheek in politics at the moment, talking about how they're going to cut waiting lists and all the rest of it, because everybody was so desperately behind turning the nhs into a national covid service in the first place. they caused collectively the issues in the nhs anyway, he says, to start getting our nhs back on its feet, we'll pay doctors and nurses more to work evenings and weekends. he says that that's, they're going to try and create 40,000 more appointments and treatments every single week. this whole thing about anti—social behaviour, i found this quite interesting. he talks about things like fly—tipping, gangs, drugs, stuff like that, he talks about introducing tougher new penalties for offenders, more neighbourhood police and a network of youth hubs to prevent those at risk getting into crime. i hear about this youth club thing all the time. is that the answer to stopping antisocial behaviour ? honest. antisocial behaviour? honest. >> do you honestly think that

the people who trade in drugs are going to go down and listen to doja cat on a friday night in a church hall? it's never going to happen, i'm afraid. and so he's he's talking about a world which may well have existed in blair's world, but today's worlds, the kids are often there organising themselves. there's a lot of nasty kids out there and it would be fantastic. i like the idea of more police officers. fantastic. if that happens. officers. fantastic. if that happens . the officers. fantastic. if that happens. the only issue i have about all these things is that's about all these things is that's a cost, which is to your point about. right? so that's a cost. where does the cost come from? it comes from taxpayers. and i say it's the middle classes only because 50% of this country do not pay tax. and they're the 50% who always say in the polls we should spend more money and we should spend more money and we should tax more for the nhs to pay should tax more for the nhs to pay for the nhs . so honestly, pay for the nhs. so honestly, i think it's going to be an absolute disaster. labour and i'm going to enjoy it because hopefully i won't be in the country. >> i won't even ask where are you going, you guys at home? tell me what you make to it. i

know there's a lot of people out there that are absolutely toying with the idea of voting for the labour party when you read those six pledges, do you go? yes. thatis six pledges, do you go? yes. that is why that is the pledges. those are the pledges for me. get in touch with me all the usual ways. after the break. fascinating story. this one. it's led many of the news headunes it's led many of the news headlines today. depher the community group actually set up to help the most vulnerable in society, providing things like free plumbing. has it all been a bit of a scam? the founder of that, james anderson, joins me after the break to set the record straight.

hi there. i'm michelle dewberry with you until 7:00 tonight alongside me. kelvin mackenzie and james schneider remain, hello, michelle. dave here in norwich. he says every single

problem in this country all boils down to one simple thing. the increase population. he says, surely it doesn't take a genius to realise that. well, there you go. if that's the problem, then what is the solution? get in touch and tell me again. livy says, what is all this talk of fair steps, michelle? they are for toddlers. we don't need fair steps. we need giant strides to get this country right, many people again, continuing that comparison between starmer and blair, as i've already said, he doesn't really see that as much of an insult given, blair's success in the elections. anyway, keep your thoughts coming in on those six labour pledges. but for now , a story pledges. but for now, a story that really caught my eye today, as you remember, this fella known as britain's kindest plumber, james anderson, provides free plumbing and heating services to people who are elderly, vulnerable or living with a disability and struggling with the cost of living crisis. >> i just want to say, first of all, you know, well done for everything you're doing because there are obviously so many

people in desperate need . a man people in desperate need. a man who gives all year round. >> he does. his name is james anderson. he's a plumber who couldn't stand seeing people getting cold because they didn't have enough money for boiler repairs. so he started doing it for free. >> this week. we've got an amazing story about a plumber with a massive heart. hi my name is james and i with a massive heart. hi my name isjames and i run with a massive heart. hi my name is james and i run depher community initiative . community initiative. >> i can tell you now the headliners. that this guy has received have been absolutely phenomenal . received have been absolutely phenomenal. he has been praised, from to here the kingdom come. he's had letters from the king. he's had letters from the king. he's had letters from the queen. countless letters from people thanking him for the support and all the work he's done. he's touched so many people, this organisation, and i might not give it away on this program often, but i am actually a little bit of a softie. and indeed touched me too. i've also donated to this cause, but i can tell you now, following, a bbc so called expose, which aired yesterday, he's also been making

headunes yesterday, he's also been making headlines for the wrong reasons today. take a look at some of these, this expose scams and scandals, so—called, which is on the bbc. it really makes some damning allegations . it suggests damning allegations. it suggests that james anderson is essentially a liar that has been manipulating people using social media, that has been misapplied , media, that has been misapplied, creating funds, donations that people have given to him and so on, on so forth. it really is quite distressing reading for anyone that's followed this cause and donated. i'm joined now by james anderson from depher james. first and foremost, depherjames. first and foremost, you know, today , what foremost, you know, today, what is today been like for you because you led your stories , because you led your stories, led bbc news breakfast. you know, the headlines have dominated a lot of the news agenda. describe your day , well, agenda. describe your day, well, firstly, i'd like to apologise to anybody who has been hurt by

these accusations that have been made against me and against any mistakes i've ever made over the last seven years. i'm only human. i'm just doing the best i can. i have owned up to any mistakes that have been made . i mistakes that have been made. i have put things in place to rectify these mistakes. i think in hindsight, i've done too much, too quick on my own. instead of getting other people in to help me and support me , in to help me and support me, saying that it's no excuse. but today has been very horrendous for me. not because people have hated . hated. >> i think he's frozen. i'm just going to re—establish that connection with james before i do, because i'm conscious that some of you weren't have seen this documentary yet. i do

recommend a watch, but i just want to talk you through some of the things that he's been alleged that he started with an apology. and i'll tell you for why, it's been alleged that he there was a lady, subsequently identified as being called joyce imagery, that depher used time and time again. they described this scenario where she was suicidal . jul and james had suicidal. jul and james had rushed to go and help this lady. he'd found a noose, and that she was like , literally on the edge, was like, literally on the edge, this lady, you know, it wasn't that story at all. that wasn't really true, there was another story of domestic, lady that had experienced domestic violence , i experienced domestic violence, i can connect, i can reconnect to james. so james. welcome back. sorry. i think the connection froze just whilst you disappeared there. i was just refreshing people's memories. james, for anyone that's not seen this, you started with an apology, and i'm just explaining some of the allegations. that's been made against you. so the lady joyce, when you've shared this vision of her, these

pictures of her saying that she was suicidal, that you'd found a noose, there was a lady that was a domestic violence victim. you'd used that image many times oven you'd used that image many times over. you'd accused her of stealing some stuff as well. apparently, lots of that you didn't have permission to share. there was a situation where, james, you had shared some imagery of a woman and said that she'd, died of carbon monoxide poisoning. again you admitted that that was not true. so, i mean, for just some context here, james, that's the kind of stuff that we're talking about that you say are mistakes. yes yes. >> i mean, i mean, that picture l, >> i mean, i mean, that picture i, i knew the lady where that picture has come from that had been blacked out. i don't know, i explained to the bbc i'll be looking into that. that is the first time i've seen that picture. when the bbc showed me that one. and again, i did explain that to the bbc and i swear that i will try and find out exactly where it's come from. >> see, i was, i, i was a

supporter of defra of depher. sorry and i follow what you do and i've tweeted many times celebrating you. i think in this society there is just so much wrongdoing, there's so much negativity, there's so much nastiness. so when i became aware of you , i thought, aware of you, i thought, fabulous, i've got goose pimples thinking about it now and some of the stuff because it is so expensive for people to get, i don't know their plumbing fixed and stuff like that. so when you came along, i thought you were like a knight in shining armour. so when i watched this documentary , i was pretty documentary, i was pretty devastated. one of the allegations as well. oh pardon . allegations as well. oh pardon. >> i'm devastated myself , it is, >> i'm devastated myself, it is, it's devastating. >> one of the allegations in the documentary as well. you suggested that, donations had declined by around about 80, where actually the bbc, highlighted the fact that there had been £1.2 million or there or thereabouts donated, which was a substantial increase, you were saying, and making out and

suggesting that funds were running low, when in fact the bbc suggested that you had about £600,000 sitting in the bank account, you've bought a property that i believe that you rent out to a family member of yours. apparently you've used donations to buy cars and so on and so forth. there were many people, james, myself included. i do confess that are looking at depher and thinking, have we just been done over ? just been done over? >> no, you haven't been done oven >> no, you haven't been done over. the house was bought by residual funds that we'd raised through profits over the past years . it was through profits over the past years. it was bought as a donation for depher as an investment for depher. it's in defi's name. the gentleman that rents it that is living in there is my wife's ex stepfather , who is my wife's ex stepfather, who divorced her mother 20 years ago and he's living there simply because he's very ill. and the cic regulator have had the explanation. now he will be

moving on and the property will be used for either homeless or or the purposes and run by a charity separate from us, the cic regulator is happy with that explanation of the property . the explanation of the property. the only reason he's there is because he's ill. that's it, and i don't want to go any further into his illness. unfortunately but he is very ill. the car we bought the car. because sometimes customers come to our shop are elderly. and the veil, the frail and the calm get home or they can't get the bus . and or they can't get the bus. and sometimes we pick them up. sometimes we drop them off. we use it for interviews. we use it for meetings. we are allowed to have the cic, a company car like we have company vehicles because we're a plumbing heating company . we need to get to the jobs and carry the materials and take materials away with us. so i'm not here to scam anybody. i never have had that intention. i

never have had that intention. i never will have that intention. ihave never will have that intention. i have made mistakes and i own them mistakes. and i am humbled and i will do whatever it takes to rectify the mistakes and make sure that the mistakes never happen again. and if the public wants have done that , are happy wants have done that, are happy for me to step down and put somebody else in my place who can do a betterjob than me, i will do that because this is not about me. it's not about depher. it's not about me. it's not about the awards or the ali kadi or or the rejoice. it's about the people and depher is there . the people and depher is there. and this is beautiful and this is about the people, and it needs to stay for the people, with or without me. >> and that's what i was going to say. do you think, actually it's possible for depher to continue with you at the helm ? continue with you at the helm? >> well, i, i don't know, i don't know, but i need to repair the damage or i need to find somebody to repair the damage. i

need to do something to bring the trust back, to defend within the trust back, to defend within the public. after what's happened, i will say , and this happened, i will say, and this is not me defending the mistakes that i've made that have happened over the past is for four years i have been inundated and harassed and threatened and and harassed and threatened and a online individuals are people and that is taken up 80% of my time. and in that time i've made their mistakes, though they're not an excuse . and the pressure not an excuse. and the pressure that you're under when you're trying to do your job, run a trying to do yourjob, run a company like depher and also defend yourself from many horrendous accusations and name calling. it can be very, very hard and mistakes can happen, i'm only human. and again , i i'm only human. and again, i apologise. i really, really do apologise. i really, really do apologise . this was built for apologise. this was built for

the public, and the public need it more than ever now with the food, the gas, the electric, the boilers, the plumbing , the boilers, the plumbing, the heating, the funeral support, the school support. we've just purchased a youth club and a youth hub for children in beverley, where there isn't one and they need one. we need to continue this, like i said, with or without me. but i apologise for any wrong i've done. >> i think your apology is coming through thick and fast and you say about mistakes, james, but i mean, for example, that lady that you said was in preston, that was suicidal. you described a nurse. you even i mean, there was a picture of a noose.i mean, there was a picture of a noose. i mean, what was that picture? because that picture, that story, just that picture of that story, just that picture of that nurse raised £78,000 there or thereabouts. on fund raising sites. what was that? >> that is just i mean, again, we need to show the public the reality . and we. reality. and we. >> that wasn't the reality, james. and you know that that wasn't the reality. you know

that that wasn't the reality . that that wasn't the reality. that wasn't that true story . that wasn't that true story. >> but we need to show people the reality of life. and i've answered these , james, that answered these, james, that wasn't a reality that that woman's story , that you said woman's story, that you said that you went round and you saw that you went round and you saw that news that wasn't true . that news that wasn't true. >> that wasn't reality. so i'm asking you, what was that? did you what was that picture of that? no. did you just make that up? what was it? >> that picture was made ? i've >> that picture was made? i've already answered these questions on the bbc. that's what i'm saying is , every time i do saying is, every time i do something, i have to answer. i understand that. i'm just asking. >> you genuinely interested? what was that picture ? what was that picture? >> that picture was a picture of a noose . a “0059. >> a noose. >> but was that was on the fundraiser. >> was that on the fundraiser page? >> yeah. so this was one of the images that helped raise , i images that helped raise, i think it was there about £78,000. that image , look, i £78,000. that image, look, i just i've got to pop to a quick break, but i just want to carry this conversation on, guys at

home. i'll see you in two. don't go

okay. hi there. i'm michelle dewberry. let's continue our conversation with james anderson, the founder of depher, the, organisation that seeks to help the most vulnerable people in society. you've divided opinion among my viewers. lots of people actually are donors to your organisation, philip says i've donated to depher in the past. i think you do great work. the negative press seems like sour grapes, he says. carroll says that she feels that you started out as a very good person. it's perhaps all gone wrong. one of my other viewers is saying blaming it all on the media, that they've built you up into some kind of hero status and so on and so forth. but there's also the other side, people saying that you need to pay people saying that you need to pay everybody back. kim says that saying sorry doesn't always provide the answer. so where's

all this money gone ? where is it all this money gone? where is it all? james >> okay, the money is spent on the accounts . we've got receipts the accounts. we've got receipts for everything that we buy now. in the last seven days alone, we've spent 1500 £3,000 to pay hmrc . in 2022 to 2023. it was hmrc. in 2022 to 2023. it was £170,000, 20,000 over $300,000. and the one that cost me even 2023. >> we had 21,000 vat that we couldn't claim back , pot boilers couldn't claim back, pot boilers , boilers, parts for plumbing and heating that we still have to pay for them. so to buy the materials, the way it goes , materials, the way it goes, everywhere it goes, it goes . in everywhere it goes, it goes. in 2022 to 23, we spent food, gas and electric to home in the

country . we had a food drive. we country. we had a food drive. we had another food delivery that went to homes all over the country as well. so it goes down very, very quickly, but we do the best we can with it . yeah. the best we can with it. yeah. >> i mean, i've got to say, your most recent accounts filed at companies house do show that you have £643,000 in the bank, is that at the end of the year , is that at the end of the year, is there anything else that you want to say to viewers , that are want to say to viewers, that are watching, listening before we go? if i've upset you, i apologise , i really do. if you apologise, i really do. if you think it's misleading, then please don't. it's not misleading. i have put things in place now. i have got a social media manager. things are going to change and they're going to look better. this is not about asking for donations. this is about working on its own money and doing what we promised to the people out there, and we will continue to do it. >> james anderson , founder of >> james anderson, founder of dephen >> james anderson, founder of depher, thank you very much for

your time. kelvin mackenzie, what do you make to it all? >> well, he's a he's obviously a challenged when it comes to, what stories he tells, he i see he didn't want to explain how the noose managed to be taken a picture of it when in fact, the lady had already been dead, i think at a number of years when he claimed that he he had saved her bacon, so i think the easiest thing that can happen is that if there is money still in the bank, that should go back to people, he should stand down. and what i can't quite understand is it's not a charity. this is it. this understand is it's not a charity. this is it . this is charity. this is it. this is kind of an in—betweener. and i'd like an explanation from the people who run that. how that they, on the one hand, said he could buy the house with that funds and on the other hand said, you can put my ex stepfather in there who was not

too well at the moment. so it looks as though he was keeping it as a family event. look, he doesn't seem as though he was living high on the hog. what cheered me up was that hugh grant put £75,000. did into it, and that that that that made me feel quite good about him, in the sense that he deceived hugh grant, who i don't particularly care for. so so that was good. in the meantime, i'm very surprised that that our friends , surprised that that our friends, the police force, haven't been around to try and understand whether all the money is there. >> term's , i think i mean, >> term's, i think i mean, looking a bit broader than than the story. >> the reason why so many people, including yourself , give people, including yourself, give money when they see something like this is because it offends our basic humanity, basic sense of decency to see people living in in poverty and in desperation and difficult circumstances. and people want to help each other. and i think this shows that you know, charity or community

interest companies or whatever it might be, is the best the sticking plaster. and, you know, he he might be a good person. he might have been wanting to do the right thing . he wasn't the right thing. he wasn't capable of running a sort of organisation that would be able to do it. and it shows. i think that really if you want to guarantee minimum basic standards that everyone can, everyone can have a warm home, everyone can have a warm home, everyone has a safe home, you need to have public provision. there needs to be a welfare state. there needs to be basic levels that are provided in a rational way and in a way which is that covers everybody and is therefore more efficient. and we're not. you know, we're not looking for the kindness of random strangers who may be deceptive. >> well, what do you make? so i think it's all just a very sad story, because there are many people that struggle in society that really, genuinely do need help. and i am a bit soft. and when i do see stuff and asking for help and i do think, you know, let's all chip in, let's all make a difference. and i think sometimes the flaw in the plan when stories like this come

out is that then it makes you think twice the next time. should i give money to this? am i going to be buying a house, or am i going to actually be helping someone be warm or get food? what do you make to it all? get in touch all the usual ways. there's more coming up after the break. i want to talk cyclists. do you think that there should

hi there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00. kelvin mackenzie, jim schneider remain alongside us. we're very torn on that conversation that we've just been having about depher there. it's really, really difficult to know what to believe , isn't it? there's some believe, isn't it? there's some very strange goings on in that expose program. i didn't get a chance to go through them all, but if you get five minutes, you might want to watch that, and then you can make your own minds up anyway. look, let's talk cycling, shall we? because, now, if you cause death and you are a cyclist and you cause death, that by that means you could be

jailed. now for 14 years. this is following a proposed change in the law, many people will actually say, you know, it's not just about penalties. it's about the fact that cyclists should be insured. what do you think, kelvin? right >> well, this the reason this this, this basic law is being rushed through is following a absolutely disgraceful case involving a lady called hilda griffiths , who was 81. she was griffiths, who was 81. she was crossing the road in regent's park and coming along as she crossed the road, was a guy doing a time trial. he works, he cycles for muswell hill cycling club. he's he's doing 29 miles an hour. it's a 20 mile an hour limit, right. the an hour. it's a 20 mile an hour limit, right . the police she he limit, right. the police she he crashes into her. the police then investigate it and the cps investigator and say because because the 20 miles an hour was aimed at car drivers and not at

cyclists, the man himself wasn't charged. and that out. that lady, that lady took two months to die, right? she's 81 years old, now her family won't get any solace out of this, and i don't blame them. but now we are on the back of cyclists who are treating our roads as race tracks, and anybody who lives in london can be standing there for two seconds. you see bikes going through red line, through red lights. you see pavements being used as part of the thoroughfare. cyclists have got to be insured and if they're not insured, when they knock over, ladies like hilda griffiths, the family are going to sue them. so where are they going to get their money from then? >> james, i think that i didn't know about that speed limit thing, and that seems to be an obvious shocking, an obvious incongruity. and that shouldn't be the case at all. i think from the 14 years seems like, really rather a lot. but perhaps that's

the, the top end. that's the top end of the thing. and that's at the top of the piece, because it's more likely. i mean, i think that a number of these things were already in the law. i think you had to you you could be done for cycling in an unsafe way. and so it's not like it's going from complete free for all. although i completely take your point about the speed limit, that suggests that that there were holes in the law to then tightening it up to tightening up a bit. but i don't think we're going to see lots of people being convicted for very long periods of time, because i don't think cyclists are involved with that many thing. you know, there are some of these shocking cases like you've mentioned, but i don't think there are that many. >> overall. lisa is one of the viewers. lee says they should have all cyclists should have a readable plate that can be monitored by cameras at red lights and on pavements, he says. quite frankly, it should all have been done years ago, phil low says i don't see how insurance would help any of this. it would just discourage cycling. phil, i think some people would be quite pleased with some cyclists being

discouraged. i've got to say, ian says i'm an ex lorry driver and cyclists are menaces, he says, they're really, really hard to spot. and he says that's despite signs on your lorries that they have to slow down, one of my viewers as well gets in touch and says, how on earth are you going to get all of these people insured? what are you going to do about, say, for example, the school kids, they won't even do it, he says. and by the way, please can't even stop people on a legal scooters and motorcyclists on motorbikes now. so how on earth do you think they would manage to do it on the cycle , cara says yes, on the cycle, cara says yes, they definitely should have insurance. a cyclist crashed into the back of my car and caused hundreds of pounds worth of damage, and she says that she was lumbered with the bill for that. you're all still divided on the labour six pledges and you're very divided on what you believe about that depher situation . is there still some situation. is there still some goodin situation. is there still some good in the world? do you trust what you see at face value? do we need to be a bit more cynical

these days? i'll let you ponder that one over night, but for now , james, thank you for your company. and kelvin, thank you for yours too, okay. i enjoy the conversation . if you haven't conversation. if you haven't already, go to the website and go to, slash yours. say gb news slash yours. there's always spirited conversation among you lots on there. and i very much appreciate it. but for now, that's all from me. but nigel farage is up next, so don't go anywhere. nanites >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> good evening. it's time for your latest gb news weather update brought to you by the met office. there will be a few showers around tomorrow, but also some decent warm sunshine before that. a largely dry night ahead once the heavy rain that is affecting central parts at the moment clears away towards the moment clears away towards the west. the low pressure driving the rain is making its way westwards across the uk and

as it clears away, it will take the worst of the heavy rain with it. so for many it is going to turn largely dry overnight, although across some parts of nonh although across some parts of north wales, northern england, perhaps into southern scotland, there will be some thicker cloud here and that cloud could bring some outbreaks of rain elsewhere . there will be some clear skies but temperatures not dropping a huge amount. most places holding up in double digits. we do need to watch out for some mist and fog first thing, particularly in the south—east. i am expecting a few patches to develop overnight, but they should largely clear quite quickly as we go through the morning tomorrow. some brighter skies across other parts of southern england and wales. thicker cloud though for northern england and wales, and this bringing some outbreaks of rain even into parts of southern scotland. sunny skies, though for northern ireland and the rest of scotland, albeit towards the far north—west. towards the outer hebrides. here some thicker cloud could also be bringing some outbreaks of rain first thing tomorrow morning. otherwise, as we go through the day, the thicker cloud across some northern areas should break up a little bit. so some brightness breaking through here

and elsewhere. there will be some decent sunny spells, but also a few showers to watch out for. they should be generally fairly hit and miss in nature, so many of us will avoid them. do watch out for some heavier ones across parts of scotland. temperatures likely to be a little bit higher than today for many of us, a low 20s quite widely so feeling pretty warm in any sunshine into the weekend and on saturday. watch out for some hefty, showery rain spreading its way across southern parts. elsewhere, there could be a few showers to watch out for, but they don't look like they'll be as frequent or as intense. perhaps fewer showers on sunday, but still the chance of some, especially towards the south. then monday is looking mostly fine. see you later . later. >> looks like things are heating up boxt boilers sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> good evening. a big launch today from keir starmer. a six point plan. is he just aping tony blair? but then again, is he blair without the flair? we're joined by world war ii veteran tonight. live in the studio, dorothea baron, as we help a fundraising campaign to get people over to normandy on the 6th of june for the 80th anniversary of the landings. and joining me on talking pints tonight. well, he's a face that you've seen on television for decades. he's you've seen on television for decades . he's always got a decades. he's always got a crack. he's always smiling. i'm looking forward to talking pints with roy walker. but before all of that, let's get the news with tatiana sanchez . tatiana sanchez. >> nigel. thank you. the top stories from the gb newsroom. sir keir starmer has told gb news there'll be no tax cuts under a labour government until the economy is back on the path to growth. the labour leader

says that while he wants to keep