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in the uk. >> in terms of my human rights, to freely express myself and stand in solidarity with those who are oppressed, in gaza and beyond. >> but it came to me as a shocking realisation that, no, there is systemic discrimination here in the uk and this country that takes pride in itself for being a beacon of human rights, for being a beacon of democracy, does not act in that manner towards ethnic minorities and towards ethnic minorities and towards people of colour like myself . myself. >> yeah, yeah, that's right. it's freedom of speech . but it's freedom of speech. but there are consequences for your words, my love. also on the show, my outside guests will join me. i'll give you a clue. she was the first, elected as a london based councillor in 2006, i can't give you any more than that, because actually, you'll work out who she is, but she's the. she's a conservative councillor. for the london area right now. before we get started, though, let's get your latest news headlines with

sophia wenzler. >> nana. thank you. good afternoon . it's 3:02. i'm sophia afternoon. it's 3:02. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . wenzler in the gb newsroom. first to some developments on that breaking news coming to us from iran this afternoon where state tv are reporting the iranian president has been involved in an accident while travelling in a helicopter. there are limited details at this stage , but one media outlet this stage, but one media outlet suggests the aircraft made what's being described as a hard landing. president ebrahim raisi was a passenger in one helicopter, which was travelling in a group of three earlier. he met azerbaijan's president aliyev at the country's shared border to inaugurate a new dam. the iranian foreign minister is also reported to be a passenger, the interior minister has told iranian tv that rescue teams are being hampered by difficult weather conditions. in other news, chancellor jeremy hunt has vowed to compensate victims for the infected blood scandal with a £10 billion package. hunt

claimed it was part of a filling, a promise he made to a constituent who died after contracting hepatitis c. the scandal has been the subject of the biggest ever public inquiry in the uk, after tens of thousands of people were infected with the contaminated blood and blood products. one of the victims of infected blood, joan eddington, discussed the effect it's had on her. >> all have different and various physical, but it's the mental that's the anguish, of what we're going through . and what we're going through. and that in itself is the support. if you have a, you know , the if you have a, you know, the friends support, but also as mentioned that the red cross are there at the hearings and we can now go for counselling. and a lot of people i know, go for counselling and just, it's the uncertainty of your future, and what it's done to you, and it gives stability of your mind in a way. >> now, nhs staff will be told

to work evenings and weekends under labour plans to slash waiting lists. hospitals will be asked to share staff and pool waiting lists as part of a £1.1 billion drive to provide an extra 40,000 appointments a week. shadow health secretary wes streeting also promised to protect whistleblowers and cut the nhs's reliance on migrant workers , £1.1 billion paid for workers, £1.1 billion paid for by clamping down on tax avoidance and also closing non—dom loopholes as well. >> and that will enable us to put £1.1 billion directly into the pockets of nhs staff to deliver those extra appointments. the evenings and weekends, using an approach that's been tried and tested at the london hospital. i can literally see out of my office window in westminster and therefore an approach we need to see available to patients right across the country, not just in london and that does come with a cost. and that's why we've made this commitment as our first step on the journey to busting the tory backlog and cutting nhs waiting lists .

waiting lists. >> a 14 year old boy has died and a 13 year old boy is in a critical condition after getting into difficulty in the river tyne at ovingham, northumbria police were called on saturday after concerns for the welfare of two teenage boys who were in the river. the younger boy was rescued by emergency services and taken to hospital , but the and taken to hospital, but the body of the 14 year old was later found in the water following a search, and he was pronounced dead at the scene . an pronounced dead at the scene. an israeli war cabinet minister has threatened to resign if prime minister benjamin netanyahu doesn't adopt a new plan for gaza. benny gantz has set an 8th of june deadline for a plan to achieve six strategic goals, including the end of hamas rule including the end of hamas rule in gaza. it comes after the israeli military says it's recovered another body yesterday after the bodies of three israeli hostages were recovered from gaza on friday. israel says it believes 100 hostages are still alive there. defence secretary grant shapps told gb

news he's pleased benny gantz has spoken out . has spoken out. >> it is vital, vital that for israel, of course, for palestinians that there is a route in which they end up with a government which is which are not a bunch of terrorists, which is what hamas are, but people who can properly represent them . who can properly represent them. and israel needs to set that out, because there could be if you put all of those pieces into place and combine it with normalisation of relations with saudi arabia, for example, a better future for that region , better future for that region, including for israel. so, yes, i do think it's time to set that out. and we have been urging this step to take place . this step to take place. >> and history was made in saudi arabia last night as oleksandr usyk became boxing's undisputed world heavyweight champion after defeating tyson fury . the defeating tyson fury. the ukrainian won a split decision following the fight in riyadh. fury was nearly knocked out in the ninth round but disputed the loss afterwards, seeming to

suggest usyk only won a sympathy vote because of the war in ukraine. in response, usyk said he was ready for a rematch and for the latest stories , sign up for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. common alerts . now to gb news. common alerts. now let's return to . nana. let's return to. nana. >> thank you very much, sophia . >> thank you very much, sophia. right before we get stuck into the debates over the next hour, let me introduce you to my clashers joining me today, gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson, and also businessman and activist adam brooks. right. let's see what else is coming up today. labour they announced their plans to slash waiting lists this week by saying that they'll ask the nhs staff to work evenings and weekends like the rest of us, and by creating 40,000 gp appointments, we'll ask whether their plans are realistic. also, this hour , realistic. also, this hour, ex—chancellor nadhim zahawi. he says that his party were wrong

to oust boris. really now you realise, saying if his colleagues had realised yes, twitter was not the country, we'd have probably made a different decision. exactly. which goes to show the lack of connection with the british public. we'll ask what the tories are right to get rid of bofis tories are right to get rid of boris johnson and would you wear a pronoun badge at work? almost half a half of the people in a recent survey have said that they'd be less likely to keep working for their company if it made them wear a badge displaying their pronouns. so would you. what do you think? would you tell your employer where to go ? some of your where to go? some of your thoughts as ever gbnews.com forward slash your say . right. forward slash your say. right. so it's just coming up to eight minutes. nine minutes even after 3:00. and under labour's plans, nhs staff will be told to work weekends and evenings in an effort to slash the waiting list. now, neighbouring hospitals will be asked to share their staff and pool resources as part of the £1.1 billion

drive to provide an extra 40,000 appointments at the weekend. over time, rates will be offered to staff if they agree to pick up any extra shifts. but will this actually work? well i'm asking are labour plans for the nhs realistic? well first though, let's speak to gb news political correspondent olivia utley . so, olivia, let's lay out utley. so, olivia, let's lay out some more of those plans that the labour party are planning, putting forward to put forward for the nhs. well, wes streeting wants to spend £1.1 billion on adding an extra 40,000 appointments to the nhs schedule. >> now to do that, he plans to get staff, nurses, nurses and doctors working evenings and weekends and he plans to pool that staff over sort of five different hospitals. and he says that if he does that, then there'll be the same amount of appointments done over a weekend and as is done in a whole week dunng and as is done in a whole week during normal hospital time. i mean, obviously it's a noble goal mean, obviously it's a noble goal. nhs waiting lists are huge and just getting longer. it's the one of rishi sunaks five

pledges, which he really can't claim to have made any progress on at all. but the question, of course, is can labour actually afford to do what they're saying they're going to do ? wes they're going to do? wes streeting says that he will pay for it with the tax on non—doms removing that special status for non—doms. well the conservatives have already done that. that's coming in this september. so there isn't going to be a huge windfall of cash for the labour party from this policy if they come into government later in the year. and it's thought that actually the non—dom loophole close won't won't raise as much money as labour had previously calculated because so many non—doms will end up just leaving the country. labour also talks about cutting down on tax evasion. well, of course every government would love to cut down on tax evasion. it is more difficult logistically than it might sound, although of course no reason to give up on it. again, a noble goal. we will have to wait for the detail to come in on exactly how this is going to be budgeted, to work out whether labour is really, really serious about this. but

wes streeting rhetoric is certainly in the right direction. >> yes, that makes a change after the comments on twitter. what about this all sounds very laudable and i'm wondering why the nhs don't work evenings or weekends. could it be something to do with staff? where's he going to get the staff as he mentioned anything about that? >> well, he's talked about getting staff who were already working to work more evenings and weekends. now it should be said that obviously nhs staff do work evenings and weekends. we don't have empty hospitals at the weekends, but there aren't routine operations at the weekends and previously doctors have pushed back against that. so it could well be that there is another push back. now the thing is, it might actually be easier for labour to implement some of these policies than it has been for the conservative cause over the past 14 years. the conservatives, whenever they try to do anything along the lines of reforming the nhs, eyebrows raised and there are murmurings that sort of started with the jeremy corbyn era , that with the jeremy corbyn era, that the conservatives simply want to

privatise the nhs . labour is privatise the nhs. labour is more trusted by the public on the nhs and actually is more trusted by nhs staff too. so it could be that wes streeting receives a friendlier reception than his conservative predecessors have done when trying to persuade staff to work evenings and weekends. of course, one difficulty is if you pull that that weekend staff across sort of five different hospitals, you end up with people having to make very long journeys, particularly in rural areas where five hospitals could be really quite far apart. will that be part of the scheme? has that be part of the scheme? has that all been priced into the budget? it's not yet clear from the figures. >> olivia utley thank you very much sir. gb news political correspondent olivia , thank you correspondent olivia, thank you very much. interesting. well so that's what their plans are. the labour are planning. labour party are planning to do that. let's welcome again to my clashes. gb news political commentator nigel nelson and also businessman and activist adam brooks. i'm going to start with you, nigel nelson, because. yes, sir. wes streeting he's talking about this . how talking about this. how realistic are these plans sound

to you? >> i think they're realistic . i >> i think they're realistic. i think olivia hit the nail on the head. >> what we need is a bit more detail about exactly how they'll be paid for . i detail about exactly how they'll be paid for. i mean, if nhs staff want to make extra money and they can do it with extra shifts on the evenings and weekends, that's fine. you've got to get waiting lists down there at over 7 million at the moment, so that needs to be deau moment, so that needs to be dealt with. the question is paying dealt with. the question is paying for it. so at the moment, as olivia just said, you're talking about a crackdown on tax dodgers. how many where's the money coming from. from there. have they is there any way of costing where these tax dodges are and of course the tories nicked to the non—dom tax policy , which was meant to fund this whole thing and a load of other things in the last budget. so it really it comes down to a question of how you pay for it, but as a as a plan, yes. it's realistic. do you think , adam realistic. do you think, adam brooks i think it's utter nonsense. >> i've got to say, for the last two years we've been told by the labour party and by the unions

that the nhs workers are tired , that the nhs workers are tired, you know, they're underpaid, and that they're struggling and they need a rest. and, you know, it's not just about pay these strikes, it's about the conditions. and now suddenly the labour party want them to work longer . it's labour party want them to work longer. it's just labour party want them to work longer . it's just absolute labour party want them to work longer. it's just absolute pie in the sky. it's absolute nonsense. >> is this voluntary , though? >> is this voluntary, though? bearin >> is this voluntary, though? bear in mind we're not actually telling them to work longer. they can volunteer for less. >> also remember that the nhs waiting lists are in such a bad position because during covid the nhs basically become the national covid service. and let's not forget that labour wanted harsher, longer lockdowns and restrictions that would have made that even worse . no one made that even worse. no one would have been able to have been seen under a labour government. so it frightens me that we've got people that mindset suddenly coming into government, and they will be in government. and, you know, this is pie in the sky pr exercises. yes, i think they're going to throw money at the nhs . yes, throw money at the nhs. yes, i think there's going to be a short term bounce, but i think they will bankrupt the nhs and

possibly bankrupt the country. so i don't know where this money is going to come from. >> we've also got to also the credibility of wes streeting . credibility of wes streeting. let's be honest, some of the things that he said have been somewhat extreme. i mean, this morning emily carver spoke to him about the terrible tweet that he said with sir to suzanne hall, basically referring to people who support her as white supremacists and far right. i mean, have a listen to this . mean, have a listen to this. >> where's your guilty of your guilty of throwing mud just as much as the conservatives are? i mean, last time we spoke it was about that tweet. it was about that tweet to susan hall supporters, wasn't it? where's saying that a vote for susan hall at the labour mayoral elections was a vote for, you know, racists and islamophobes and all of this that was potentially tarnishing millions of voters in london who are just fed up of sadiq khan's record on some things. >> no, absolutely not. >> no, absolutely not. >> politics. isn't it really big enough ? enough? >> no. sadiq is big enough and

ugly enough to take criticism . ugly enough to take criticism. if people don't like him or don't like his policies, we've not, you know , we'll disagree on not, you know, we'll disagree on that. but that's totally legit. in a in a democracy , what sadiq in a in a democracy, what sadiq has faced, i think, is an unprecedented barrage of racism and prejudice. as the mayor of london, that's what i was calling out. and i don't think susan hall is racist. i don't think she's a white supremacist. i don't think she's an islamophobe . islamophobe. >> so, i mean, wes streeting seems to think that's fair game. i mean, that he's literally saying that what he said was, okay, he's doubling down. >> i mean, it was an awful tweet, even people on the left that i know within the media have called him out on it. it was a terrible tweet. you know, i support susan hall because i believe she would do a lot better for london than sadiq khan. does that make me racist, islamophobic and whatever else? >> supremacist? >> supremacist? >> no it doesn't, but let's just remember about wes streeting. he's got a history of violent tweets going back. 1015 years. the media are of put them out

there for people to google it. it's not hard. you know some of the tweets that he's put out there were, quite frankly, shocking . and if i had tweeted shocking. and if i had tweeted those ten, 15 years ago, i probably wouldn't be sat here in the media. yet. we're we're streeting is probably going to be a high level government minister within the next six months. it'sjust minister within the next six months. it's just unbelievable that this man could be in government. >> nigel. >> nigel. >> well, i mean, i don't think that it was a very wise tweet by by west. wes streeting . either, by west. wes streeting. either, politicians should not get involved in things like racism, islamophobia, throw those kind of allegations around. it always ends badly. i mean, look what happened to lee anderson when he did it, however, susan hall hasn't is has got form in this area too. so i mean, she's on twitter that she liked a tweet about enoch powell, she put an emoji up , but about enoch powell, she put an emoji up, but that's hardly the same as actually buy your own fair hand writing those words.

>> i agree. i mean, i don't think they're comparable , that think they're comparable, that there's a question of degree. >> i'm just saying that i don't think politicians getting on twitter, but do get into a time i don't think she was actually a high level, top level politician ready for government in that respect. they should i mean, i mean, but adams referred to old tweets from from wes streeting when he wasn't either . tweets from from wes streeting when he wasn't either. yeah, but this one, this specific this one, i do not think he should have put that tweet out. having put it out, he should have apologised and removed it, because we all agree susan hall isn't a white supremacist. no, she's not, i'm on the islamophobia. there's been an element of that. but i mean, i don't think i would call her an islamophobe , but i mean, you islamophobe, but i mean, you know, we've everyone's made comments and it's to easy interpret these ones as islamophobic. >> i mean, you saw what happened to lee anderson when he made a comment, literally, he then, you know , lost the whip and is no know, lost the whip and is no longer in the conservative party, is it? what he actually said not to be in the conservative party, but but but they took the whip away from him. so win for racists and

white supremacists and islamophobic the world over. that's what he said. let's just remember sadiq khan labelled anti ulez supporters as far. >> right now i'm one of those as well. i'm an anti ulez. qatar campaigner. so again, in sadiq khan's mind, i'm far right. this labelling it. they throw it out there to deflect and to try and silence people like me and others by putting horrible labels on us. and it's a real cheap move from the left . i cheap move from the left. i mean, do you think anti ulez campaigners are far right? >> no. and i don't think again that that phrases like far right should be thrown about. i mean, far right to me is the english defence league or tommy robinson or no far right to me is like adolf hitler. >> that's what we're very, very extreme people, far right. >> and there's very few of them in this country. >> i you know, i agree with you totally that you shouldn't fling these things around , but that these things around, but that appues these things around, but that applies to both sides. i mean, both sides should stop, should stop actually making this kind of allegation. >> but this one in particular, i'm just he's supposed to be holding high office soon. he's

coming out with proposals for the health service. how on earth does he expect us to take him seriously? i can't take him seriously. i don't take him seriously. >> and quite frankly, i am absolutely petrified of what this labour government is going to do to this country in the next five years. >> this conservative government have been a failure for many reasons , but these are on reasons, but these are on a whole new level, you know, and it's scary. >> all right. well, what are your thoughts? thank you for that, 3:20. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. coming up, we'll be discussing starmer's plans to stop the boats where he wants to set a border security command will be asking will starmer's border security command stop them next, will the tories right to get rid of boris johnson?

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channel. i'm nana akua and it's time for the clash. so, you know, stay with me, because up next, ex—chancellor. nadhim zahawi has said that the tory party were wrong to oust boris johnson whilst calling him the most consequential leader since thatcher. well, who knew? who knew? in an interview with the sunday times, zahawi said that he wished colleagues had held their nerve and said many colleagues got spooked if colleagues got spooked if colleagues stepped back and just realise twitter was not the country, we'd have probably made a very different decision. exactly. you would have done if you'd listened to the country, but sadly you didn't, which is why you're in the mess that you're in. so with the tories right to get rid of boris johnson. joining me now, nigel nelson and adam brooks, adam brooks. >> well i was on this channel all those months and years ago saying it's better the devil you know , boris did many good know, boris did many good things. he did many things that infuriated me and wanted, you know, i wanted to punch the tv, you know, in anger, especially dunng you know, in anger, especially during covid. but he was an

elected official that got 80 seat majority. exactly. so the electorate supported him. what the conservative party did was combust from within. they listened to left wing activist journalists, journalists and twitter, which isn't the electorate, isn't the people that supported the conservative party. they didn't listen. and it's their own fault, you know, and we're in this position now, even when they was going for rishi sunak, many of us on here and on twitter were saying, what are you doing? he's unelectable . are you doing? he's unelectable. they didn't listen. they you know, they go to their coffee mornings with, you know, their their electorate and they think that that represents most most of the people in this country. it doesn't their own echo chamber . they just got it wrong. chamber. they just got it wrong. >> they didn't listen to it. >> they didn't listen to it. >> they didn't listen. >> they didn't listen. he >> they didn't listen. he got >> they didn't listen. he got an 80 seat majority. those are the words of the public and we're the ones that elect. so even after they got rid of him, they

then lost the confidence of the public, which they should have known would happen. nigel nelson yeah, but it's what happened after that 80 seat majority that's important that by the time boris johnson went that it was quite clear his whole government had made a load of mistakes . mistakes. >> this was in chaos and confusion and there was no way that you can run in the country. so we start off with partygate. we then have that rather bizarre peppa pig speech, which no one quite worked out what he was. he was on about then we i did i've been to peppa pig world. >> have you been to peppa pig world? >> i have not been to peppa pig world, but i wasn't sure the prime minister should have been there discussing that at that particular time. >> that was a this was a speech to the cbi after all. >> no, i agree with you. and on top of that, you then you then get his mistakes over owen paterson trying to change the rules rather than allowing owen paterson to be suspended as the standards commission wanted. and then we get the catastrophe over chris pincher should have been suspended immediately. he wasn't. that's when ministers

began quitting and 50 of them quit , before boris began quitting and 50 of them quit, before boris had to resign. >> that is how stupid they were. because what happens with the labour party when things happen, like partygate , beergate and like partygate, beergate and which i think was equivalent. and what happens with things like that wasn't i mean, that's my view. >> it was far worse in my opinion. >> in fact, it could have using as well, i think, because there were clear inconsistencies which i would call lie, i could, i couldn't for beergate. >> yeah, but that's not the point. >> the durham police had a different ruling anyway, than the london force. so their raison d'etre was not to give people tickets or fines if they broke the rules. they actually tried to advocate against that. so they didn't do that. which is why kie would have got away with that in london. i think he would. >> well, downing street, i think. do you not think it's materially different for something like that to be happening at the absolute seat of government compared to what cake in an office? he was surprised with a cake in an office outside . it's the fact office outside. it's the fact it's in number 10. but when, when you impose restrictions on the rest of the country , people the rest of the country, people can't go to funerals, they can't say goodbye to emotional

argument, which you are using to actually hide the fact that what happened with beergate is that these people collected in an area when they shouldn't have been altogether . been altogether. >> they claim that it was an impromptu gathering. it wasn't. so that wasn't true. >> claimed angela rayner wasn't there, angela rayner wasn't. >> there was. she was. i've met angela rayner. she's a force of nature. you do not not notice angela rayner, let me tell you that. and her head was in the picture as well, you could see, but they couldn't work out who it was. and also he claimed that it was. and also he claimed that it was. and also he claimed that it was impromptu. it wasn't. we've seen the memo. he said there were only about six people there. it turns out there were almost 19. oh, come on, that's that's bad. >> standing up drinking a peroni been >> there were no i know there were no there were no fines issued. at the end of it, the police decided nothing had had gone wrong. but even just accepting that, what i'm saying is you find that in number 10, if you're holding parties and breaking the restrictions, you've put down for the rest of the country, isn't that a problem? yeah, but i suspect many of them thought that it was within the rules because it was in one bubble. >> to be honest, the rules were totally confusing. oh that's

different. yeah, but that's different. >> and the rules could have been wrong , i accept. exactly. wrong, i accept. exactly. >> so if, as i understood it, if you had your own bubble and you were in work with the people that you worked with, then that was okay. let's remember, am i wrong? >> most of the so—called parties or gatherings in downing street were civil servants, and he wasn't there and he wasn't there. let's just be honest. >> but do you think it would have happened if theresa may had been prime minister? >> it was a left wing attack on a government, and these conservative mps crumbled and started listening to the left wing press and twitter because of the anger in the country, because people had been restricted from doing things that that people in downing street didn't think apply to them. >> well. >> well. >> but that's because i think there was a woeful there was a lack of understanding of the rules. the rules were confusing. most of us got it wrong. and there's not one of us here that did not break those rules. correct. come on, nigel, i'm just saying. >> exactly. let's remember boris johnson broke boris johnson you're trying to work out. >> we're trying to mention you can love him or hate him or

both. >> sometimes, you know, he he is or was the only superstar mp that we had in this country. >> do you want a superstar being prime? >> undeniable? absolutely i do undeniable, okay. >> and again, he made some terrible mistakes and i was so angry with a lot. >> but what we've got now is far worse . and what we're now worse. and what we're now facing, which you'll be happy with, is a labour government that i believe is going to bankrupt the country over the next 5 to 10 years. so these, these , the meddling by these these, the meddling by these conservative mps have caused a lot of damage to this country. >> well, and you know what the there was at a time something called collective ministerial responsibility where parliamentarians within the cabinet they kept, they stayed tight together and they made sure that they kind of if there was a guidance, they would all try and follow it. these days, they're all going rogue, doing their own thing , and it just their own thing, and it just does not work. it doesn't work. and that is a problem. well i mean, it broke down there and that's why they all resigned because they said they couldn't

carry on carrying out that collective responsibility. >> while boris johnson remained in charge . in charge. >> well, it was a coup, nigel. >> well, it was a coup, nigel. >> it was a coup. >> it was a coup. >> well, i don't a coup is not a bad word for it, but i think that that the point i'm making is boris johnson brought it on himself. no. >> do you think so? i would suspect just from watching everything that the conservative party brought this whole collapse on themselves, they thought that they would be safer by getting rid of him. >> so they were saving their own bacon and it's, you know, it's blown up in their faces. >> it's hugely backfired. what do you think? come on, gbnews.com/yoursay, we love heanng gbnews.com/yoursay, we love hearing your views. i'll read some of those out in just a moment's time. and just to let you know, spoiler alert the former. well, the conservative mayoral candidate will be my outside guest. i can't tell you any more. who do you think she is? she'll be with me in a couple of hours time. but this is gb news on tv, online, and on digital radio. still to come, i'm asking whether labour leader sir keir starmer's border security command gets your vote. but first, let's get your latest news headlines with sam francis.

>> gnaana, thank you very much and good afternoon to you. it's just after a 3:30, and i will start with some of the latest developments coming to us from iran this afternoon, where the entire premier minister there has now confirmed that the iranian president has been involved in an accident while travelling in a helicopter this afternoon. >> there are no details at this stage on whether the president, ibrahim rac, was hurt in that crash or accident, but it is being reported that the aircraft made what's being described as a hard landing. state tv also reporting that his foreign minister and other local officials were also on board with the president. rescue teams now on the way to the site of the accident, however, we are heanng the accident, however, we are hearing that it appears bad weather conditions are complicating rescue efforts . you complicating rescue efforts. you can see there if you're watching on tv, the latest pictures that have just come to us from the

scene of that incident, and we will of course, keep across the latest for you from iran throughout the rest of the afternoon . meanwhile, here in afternoon. meanwhile, here in the uk, the chancellor has vowed to compensate victims for the infected blood scandal with a £10 billion package. jeremy hunt claimed it was part of fulfilling a promise he made to a constituent who died after contracting hepatitis c. the scandal has been the subject of the biggest ever public inquiry in the uk , after tens of in the uk, after tens of thousands of people were infected with contaminated blood . nhs staff will be told to work evenings and weekends under labour's plans to slash waiting lists . hospitals would be asked lists. hospitals would be asked to share staff and pool waiting lists as part of a £1.1 billion drive to provide an extra 40,000 appointments each week. shadow health secretary wes streeting has also promised to protect whistleblowers and to cut the nhs s reliance on migrant workers . a 14 year old boy has

workers. a 14 year old boy has died and another boy, who's 13, died and another boy, who's13, is in a critical condition after they got into difficulty in the river tyne in northumberland, a huge search involving police, ambulance, fire crews and mountain rescue teams was launched on saturday afternoon. the younger boy was rescued by emergency services and taken to hospital, but the body of the 14 year old was later found in the water and he was pronounced dead at the scene . and history was at the scene. and history was made in saudi arabia last night as oleksandr usyk became boxing's undisputed world heavyweight champion after defeating tyson fury. the ukrainian won on a split decision following the fight in riyadh, fury was nearly knocked out in the ninth round but disputed the loss afterwards, seeming to suggest that his opponent only won a sympathy vote because of the war in ukraine. in response, though, usyk said that he was ready for a rematch that's the latest. another update in the next half

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welcome back. if you've just tuned in. where have you been? this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua, and this is the clash . now, this week, sir keir clash. now, this week, sir keir starmer announced a part six part pledge that he would create a border force or border security command to help stop people. the people smugglers sending migrants across the channel. the so—called elite unit would be led by former intelligence, military or police chief, and he granted new powers under the counter—terrorism act . under the counter—terrorism act. but will this work, i'm asking. well, is the keir starmer's border security command stop the boats? i thought , forgive me if boats? i thought, forgive me if i'm wrong, that we had all those things , but hey, it sounds like things, but hey, it sounds like marketing to me, nigel. >> oh, well , it's turbocharging. >> oh, well, it's turbocharging. what we've already got basically . so the actual question, will it stop the boats? no nor will rwanda, nor will no , it will not

rwanda, nor will no, it will not stop the boats. what it should do if it works is to reduce the number which which are crossing. the gangs have taken even more control over the last year. so, for instance, some figures came out today whereby by the average number of migrants on a boat is about 49. now, last year it was 20. so the boats are bigger. that means the smuggling gangs are operating pretty much with impunity. so the idea of smashing the gangs is a sensible way of reducing it. but the idea we're going to be able to stop it, which is why it was a ridiculous pledge by rishi sunak. it ain't going to stop . sunak. it ain't going to stop. >> okay. and i'm adam brooks, i find it laughable that anyone could think that labour are going to reduce this illegal immigration problem that we've got. >> there's only a few things that stop the boats, and that's if we start turning them around like greece did. >> nothing happened to greece. >> nothing happened to greece. >> now we can't do that. >> now we can't do that. >> why not? >> why not? >> hold on, why can't we? nothing nothing happened to greece when they did that, nothing happened to australia when they did that.

>> australia is different because the boats are bigger and there's 150 because the boats are bigger and there's150 miles of international water. >> but they're still we could, we could have, we could have huge vessels that take them on and take them back to, to certain waters, in which case then we've got to we've got to get the agreement of france. >> so if we're following that model, hundreds of will you be happy for us to take, take any migrants that have gone from here to ireland , take them back here to ireland, take them back here. it's the same principle we are taking them back from ireland. we're taking we're taking some. but we haven't. >> so why can't we send them back to france? >> we can't. we can't send. send them back to france without agreement. and the same thing appues agreement. and the same thing applies to the number who are in ireland. a few have come back for special reasons, but we've actually actually said we're not taking migrants who go from here. to, to ireland. we will not take those back. the only way we stop this will just sink them. the only way we end up with loads of people drowning, nigel, because they get on your boat. >> the only way we stop this is

by being hard and by reducing what these people get. >> their illegal migrants. don't tell me they're asylum seekers. because we. we've got our eyes. we've got our ears . we listen to we've got our ears. we listen to their interviews on certain broadcasts . they're not. they're broadcasts. they're not. they're illegal immigrants that are here. >> there's nothing illegal about housing. >> they're here because they think it's el dorado . they think think it's el dorado. they think they're going to get lots of free stuff. >> they say in interviews in the camps in calais. >> we know why they're coming . >> we know why they're coming. at the end of the day, if we reduce the benefits , the free reduce the benefits, the free housing, the free food, the free healthcare that they get , they healthcare that they get, they get, they get all of those things. >> they don't get those things. >> they don't get those things. >> they don't get those things. >> they get housed, they get fed, they get looked after. we don't let them die. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> but hold on. if we give them an allowance and that's about £8, it's not it's not a huge allowance , just enough to keep allowance, just enough to keep them. one section is we're weak. >> once you're mortgage or rent or whatever it is, is paid. then £8 is actually a beginning of a profit. some people , and i know profit. some people, and i know a lot of people live in overdraft in this country anyway

and don't actually have any money to speak of. these people have come here and given accommodation, which is fine. i give them food. i've given wi—fi, are given money, a given transport to different things as they need to get somewhere. >> i mean that is a fact. >> it's already a cushy life for them. >> yes, but it's maybe to not you, but to many people, cushy life to them either. >> it's better than some brits have got nigel but in a tent, which is why they're not staying in greece. >> and greece is an eu country, and greece provides them with a tent. yeah, i mean greece, that's why they that's why they obviously too many people have gone from greece because it's much easier to get over there from turkey. >> so greece has a problem in a sense that shows what a global problem migration is. >> slightly fixed it haven't they by first of all offering just tents which people don't want, and also by turning the boats. >> well it's not fixed. >> well it's not fixed. >> well it's not fixed. >> well they've done a lot better though. now remember remember the 11,000 that landed on lampedusa. they all landed on a larger population than the island itself. >> yeah. i mean, they're trying to cope with it the same way that italy is. italy have a have a plan to process asylum seekers in albania rather than process

them in italy, a bit like our rwanda plan, where we not really because we're not processing in rwanda , we're sending them to rwanda, we're sending them to rwanda, we're sending them to rwanda to stay. what what is happening with italy is that if they get through the processing , they get through the processing, system, they would come back. and if they were granted asylum, go back to italy. so there is a huge difference, the worry is with labour and a lot of people ispeak with labour and a lot of people i speak to is that they're going to do a mass amnesty with the people that are already here. so that's more homes and that's more benefits. the taxpayer is going to have to pay over their lifetime. >> can we just answer the amnesty question quickly then? >> because i've got to go, okay. >> because i've got to go, okay. >> very, very quickly . it's not >> very, very quickly. it's not an amnesty. what you will do is you will process the ones who are here, because the illegal migration act means that people, people can't stay in this country, but they can't leave. so they're stuck here and we have to get rid of that backlog. >> this is why we need a rwanda or somewhere you can send them if they fail. >> asylum. that was the point of

the illegal migration act. but but we're not sending them to rwanda. yeah. >> so keir starmer has a bit of a problem on his hands. where will the people who have nowhere to go go? but anyway, keep your thoughts coming. coming up, my nana's niggle on anti—semitism. we've imported foreign conflicts and we need to get a handle on it next. what would you be told? would you be happy if your employer told you to wear a pronoun badge? would you stay?

good afternoon. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. we're live on tv , nana akua. we're live on tv, onune nana akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. don't forget as well, you can stream the show live on youtube. the question is, though, now in the clash, would you wear a pronoun badge at work? well, 4 in 10 people say that they would be less likely to keep working for a company if it made them wear a badge displaying their pronouns. now, these findings are from think tank policy

exchange, which found that 43, that magic number, 43, nigerian 43. it's all there, isn't it? of people stated that they would be less likely to continue working for a company which asked them to wear a pronoun badge , with to wear a pronoun badge, with only 7% saying that they'd be more likely to want to work for the company. so would being told to wear a pronoun badge put you off working for your employer? well joining me now in the clash, nigel nelson and adam brooks, adam brooks , would you brooks, adam brooks, would you like to wear a pronoun badge? you're the boss. >> i wouldn't wear one. yeah, i wouldn't wear one. even if gb news asked me to wear a pronoun badge. sorry bosses, but i wouldn't wear one. it's woke. nonsense. you know, we've spent the last few years having lgbtq+ and a million letters rammed down our throats, and this is just another part of it. i mean, the they them one is the one that really got me, you know , that really got me, you know, these are proper lunatics. i mean, it is attention seeking of the highest order. as if i'm going to call you a they them . going to call you a they them. well, what does that even mean?

it doesn't make sense. well, it's only one of me, adam. it's just it's ridiculous. and you know, anyone that you see all these virtual signallers on on twitter? oh, no. i've got my i've got my pronouns in my bio. i'm such a nice person. i'm just helping out the gay community or or the lgbt. no, you're making yourself look idiots . and i've yourself look idiots. and i've got yourself look idiots. and i've 9°t gay yourself look idiots. and i've got gay friends, gay colleagues that think the same. it's nonsense. and you know, i'm not playing that game. >> nigel nelson i wouldn't wear it. wear a badge either , it. wear a badge either, however, there would be one exception. if it was offered by a company, i mean, no company should mandate it. if badges are offered. and i think that's the right thing for companies to do. so those who want to wear badges with their pronouns on can. i wouldn't do so unless a number of people, my colleagues , came of people, my colleagues, came to me and said, look, we'd feel really much more comfortable if everybody did it, rather than just a few of us did it who were non—binary say, that's saying no. >> and this non—binary nonsense , >> and this non—binary nonsense, you know, again, it's it is a

tension si king of the highest order. you're either a man or a woman or you might be a man that thinks he's a woman or a woman that thinks he's a man. but this non—binary, this is just a trend. well, this on i was trying to show you this binary. >> no, i'm not non—binary , but >> no, i'm not non—binary, but if i was using using pronouns, i'm a he him . but the whole i'm a he him. but the whole thing is non—binary does exist. and one should show respect. >> what is it again? >> what is it again? >> it just simply means that you're not. you're neither. >> so that's fantasyland, a separate gender. >> but that's okay. nigel. what? >> but that's okay. nigel. what? >> do you believe in it or not, is irrelevant. >> but it is okay. it is true whether you believe it or not is irrelevant. but it is a fantasy, isn't it? because there's no such thing as somebody who's neither male nor female. you're either one or the other to a different degree. so you might be more female or more male. >> officially, either officially non—binary is not recognised as a gender. exactly. >> so it's made up. >> so it's made up. >> but people, people use it as a gender. and i think that in the workplace you would have to respect their decision just because they've made it up. >> well, listen , i can make up

>> well, listen, i can make up a load of things i'm going to tell people at work now. i am to be referred to as hrh her royal highness. can i do that? >> no. or what about if i sat here and said i am now a giraffe and you must call me a giraffe? nigel would you do that if you required that for me to respect you, i would be happy to call you, i would be happy to call you a giraffe. >> you would not call him a giraffe? he's attention seeking. it's rubbish, isn't it? no, it's not rubbish. if i said that to my son, who is complicated , my son, who is complicated, eight years old. >> it isn't rubbish. >> it isn't rubbish. >> he would laugh in my face. >> he would laugh in my face. >> exactly that. and let's just remember, a man. it doesn't matter what surgery a man has. what drugs a man takes, what wig he wears, what? you know, fake boobs he has put on. he can never become a woman. and this is where society has broke down. we have got people like eddie izzard that, you know, in the media and celeb world. and people were calling eddie a she . people were calling eddie a she. it's ridiculous. >> it is ridiculous. he's a man. you're he. eddie, i'm sorry to tell you that. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. still to come, the great british debate. i'm asking, would you trust labour with the

nhs? but next. nana's nigel on anti—semitism . we've imported anti—semitism. we've imported foreign conflicts and we need to get a grip. but first, let's get an update with your. get a grip. but first, let's get an update with your . weather. an update with your. weather. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar for sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello! welcome to your gb news weather update from the met office for the rest of today . office for the rest of today. we've still got some warm sunshine on offer. the risk of the odd shower but feeling cooler in the east. we've got a ridge of high pressure extending out towards the west that's bringing in the settled conditions through much of today with light winds as indicated by the isobars. otherwise plenty of late evening sunshine on offer today. any showers across southwestern parts of scotland and cumbria fading away into the evening. otherwise we've got a return of low cloud coming in from the north sea and pushing its way further towards the

west. clearer skies are further the west you go, but low cloud, mist and fog perhaps developing across northern ireland. temperatures around 10 or 11 but feeling cooler underneath the clearer skies. so quite a murky start on monday morning, especially further east that you go so across scotland , go so across scotland, northeastern coast as well, holding a lot of low cloud, mist and fog. but further the west, bright skies to start the day. northern ireland like i said, some low cloud , mist and fog some low cloud, mist and fog should lift and break and then low cloud really lingering across a part of the southeast . across a part of the southeast. brighter skies further to the west you go and dry to so through the rest of monday morning, low cloud, mist and fog should start lifting, breaking and burning its way back to coastline might be a little bit slower than what we've seen on tuesday for today, but otherwise plenty of sunny spells on offer. the risk of some heavy showers, especially across western parts of northern ireland. elsewhere feeling perhaps a little bit

cooler than what we saw on the weekend, but otherwise still feeling warm in the sunshine as we go through the rest of monday evening. any cloud generally breaking away. still, with the risk of some heavy showers across western parts of northern ireland and perhaps developing across the south two otherwise tuesday, wednesday and thursday turning unsettled, showers or perhaps some longer spells of rain . rain. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boiler as sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> good afternoon. hello and welcome to gb news. on tv, onune welcome to gb news. on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. and for the next two hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and of

course it's yours. we'll be debating discussing it. at times. we will disagree , but no times. we will disagree, but no one will be cancelled. so joining me today is senior political commentator nigel nelson and also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. that looks a bore. danny my nigel on anti—semitism. it's everywhere and we need to get a handle on it. and this individual who had their student visa revoked, having been full of joy after hamas's october 7 attacks. this is her trying to squirm out of it . it. >> my words were taken out of context and they were framed as me supporting harm to innocent civilians, which is completely false and completely untrue. i think it's an outrageous claim that the home office is making by deeming me a national security threat. i'm a 19 year old who has done nothing but go to school and advocate for social justice and try and be an asset to my community. so by saying that i pose a threat to pubuc saying that i pose a threat to public security and national security is completely , a security is completely, a completely baseless claim.

>> yeah, that's the thing, isn't it? freedom of speech. but then, of course, there are consequences for those words . consequences for those words. now coming up, my outside guest now, she is a dedicated public servant. for many years she started her journey as a councillor in harrow. can you guess who she is? all will be revealed at 5:00. i've given it away pretty much so. but before we get started, let's get your latest news with sam francis. >> gnaana, thank you very much and good afternoon to you. it's just coming up to 4:02. we'll start this hour with the latest news coming to us out of iran this afternoon , where president this afternoon, where president ebrahim raisi has been involved in an accident while he was crossing a mountainous area in a helicopter. details at this stage are limited , but the stage are limited, but the iranian interior minister has told state tv in the last hour or so that the president's helicopter was one of a group of three that were returning from azerbaijan , and he says it had

azerbaijan, and he says it had come down hard. it's also being reported that the foreign minister and other local officials were on board the president's helicopter rescue teams are now on their way to the site of that accident. but we have been hearing in the last few minutes that bad weather conditions have been complicating their rescue efforts in northern iran, and the latest details as well, from an iranian official. speaking to reuters , the news agency, saying reuters, the news agency, saying that they are still hopeful . but that they are still hopeful. but that they are still hopeful. but that information coming from the crash site, they say, is very concerning and they've also added the lives of the president and the foreign minister are, they say, at risk following that helicopter crash. we will bring you more on that as we get it. but as i say, the president of iran has been involved in a helicopter crash here in the uk . helicopter crash here in the uk. the chancellor has vowed to compensate victims for the infected blood scandal with a £10 billion package. jeremy hunt claimed it was part of fulfilling a promise that he made to a constituent who died

after contracting hepatitis c. the scandal has been the subject of the biggest ever public inquiry in the uk, after tens of thousands of people were infected with contaminated blood. one of the victims, joan edgington , discussed the effect edgington, discussed the effect that it's had on her. >> all have different and various physical, but it's the mental, the anguish, of what we're going through. and that in itself is a support. if you have a, you know, the friends support, but also , as mentioned support, but also, as mentioned that the red cross are there at the hearings and we can now go for counselling. and a lot of people are no , go for people are no, go for counselling. they've just, it's the uncertainty of your future, and what it's done to you, and if it's stability of your mind in a way nhs staff will be told to work evenings and weekends under labour's plans to slash waiting lists, hospital would be asked to share staff and to pool

waiting lists as part of a £1.1 billion drive to provide an extra 40,000 appointments each week. >> shadow health secretary wes streeting also promised to protect whistleblowers and to cut the nhs's reliance on migrant workers £1.1 billion paid for by clamping down on tax avoidance, and also closing non—dom loopholes as well. >> and that will enable us to put £1.1 billion directly into the pockets of nhs staff to deliver those extra appointments. the evenings and weekends, using an approach that's been tried and tested at the london hospital. i can literally see out of my office window in westminster and therefore an approach we need to see available to patients right across the country, not just in london and that does come with a cost. and that's why we've made this commitment as our first step on the journey to busting the tory backlog and cutting nhs waiting lists . waiting lists. >> wes streeting they're speaking to gb news this morning . well, in northumberland, a 14 year old boy has died and a 13

year old boy has died and a 13 year old boy is in a critical condition after getting into difficulty in the river tyne. police were called yesterday afternoon after concerns for the welfare of two teenagers were raised by the public. they were believed to be caught in the river. the younger boy was rescued by emergency services and taken to hospital, but sadly the body of the 14 year old was later found in the water. following an extensive search, and he was pronounced dead at the scene . in israel, a war the scene. in israel, a war cabinet minister has threatened to resign if the prime minister, benjamin netanyahu , doesn't benjamin netanyahu, doesn't adopt a new plan for gaza. benny gantz has set a deadline for the 8th of june to get a plan in place that will achieve six strategic goals, including the end of hamas rule in gaza. it comes after the israeli military said it had recovered another body yesterday after the bodies of three israeli hostages were recovered from gaza on friday. israel says it believes 100 hostages are still alive there. defence secretary grant shapps

told us this morning that he is pleased that benny gantz has spoken out. >> it is vital , vital that for >> it is vital, vital that for israel, of course , for israel, of course, for palestinians that there is a route in which they end up with a government which is which is not a bunch of terrorists, which is what hamas are, but people who can properly represent them. and israel needs to set that out, because there could be, if you put all of those pieces into place and combine it with normalisation of relations with saudi arabia , for example, saudi arabia, for example, a better future for that region, including for israel. so, yes, i do think it's time to set that out. and we have been urging this step to take place . this step to take place. >> and finally, some news from the sporting world, history was made in saudi arabia last night as oleksandr usyk became boxing's undisputed world heavyweight champion after defeating tyson fury. the ukrainian won on a split decision following the fight in

riyadh, fury was nearly knocked out in the ninth round but disputed his loss afterwards , disputed his loss afterwards, seeming to suggest that his opponent won only a sympathy vote because of the war in ukraine. in response , usyk said ukraine. in response, usyk said he is ready for a rematch . he is ready for a rematch. that's the latest from the newsroom for now. for more, you newsroom for now. for more, you can newsroom for now. for more, you can sign up to gb news alerts. just scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. common alerts now, though more from . nana. >> so thank you sir. this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. it's just coming up to eight minutes after 4:00. i'm nana akua . it's 4:00. i'm nana akua. it's everywhere. anti—semitism. i'm shocked if i thought racism was bad against people like me in the 70s when this country saw an influx of people of colour, things have settled down. people have come to accept that humans come in all colours and that we are all equal. yes, of course you get your occasional racist, but in general, i am not afraid

to show my blackness, as it were, for fear of reproach by what would appear to be normal people. we've moved on, or so i thought . so i people. we've moved on, or so i thought. so i find this open anti—semitism extremely unsettling, especially from people who should know better. jewish people are literally being hounded out of our cities, our schools, and in particular our schools, and in particular our universities. the weekly pro palestine marches have made parts of the uk no go areas for jewish people, and brought a whole host of unsavoury characters out of the woodwork. many of these protesters have become a sort of a kind of open season for racism . remember the season for racism. remember the teacher who had the racist placard of rishi and suella as coconuts and take dana abu quamar , a palestinian law quamar, a palestinian law student, and my words were taken out of context and they were framed as me supporting harm to innocent civilians , which is innocent civilians, which is completely false and completely untrue. >> i think it's an outrageous claim that the home office is making by deeming me a national security threat. i'm a 19 year old who has done nothing but go

to school and advocate for social justice and try and be an asset to my community. so by saying that i pose a threat to pubuc saying that i pose a threat to public security and national security is completely , a security is completely, a completely baseless claim . completely baseless claim. >> yeah. so that was, dana abu karma , a palestinian law student karma, a palestinian law student and leader of friends of the palestinian society at the university of manchester. the following her speech in university, demonstrating where she said she was full of joy and pride that palestinian resistance had come to this point . she resistance had come to this point. she said that her visa was revoked on the grounds of national security , with national security, with authorities citing her as a risk to public safety and there she was trying to squirm out of it. she's come from somewhere where there will be little freedom of speech, supposedly normal people carrying swastikas, calling for intifada and chanting from the river to the sea, showing support for hitler in some places is seen as cool. remember the projection on big ben? people unashamedly projecting

their virtues? even in our politics, people standing for high office for leadership positions who are meant to have a sense of themselves and embroiled in all of this green party candidate madison wheldon, standing at the next general election as the candidate for warrington north. she said that both israel and hamas are culpable for the october the 7th attack. well that's rubbish, madison , the people culpable for madison, the people culpable for october the 7th are the planners and perpetrators of it. that's hamas, not israel. her comment suggests that a portion of blame for this horrendous attack should be attributed to israel. i mean, what is wrong with these people ? we've gone backwards. i people? we've gone backwards. i blame this on fast paced, uncontrolled unvetted and in many cases illegal immigration. ironically, i'll probably be called a racist or far right for saying this. a very odd insult. by saying this. a very odd insult. by the way , to a person of by the way, to a person of colour, we've imported foreign conflicts and they're fighting on the streets of this country. we need to get a grip before

this becomes the norm. so before we get stuck into the debate , we get stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, would you trust labour with the nhs? labour's new plan revealed by shadow health secretary wes streeting, promises to slash waiting lists by having nhs staff working evenings and weekends. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking would you trust labour with the nhs? then at 450, it's worldview cross live to los angeles with host of the politics people podcast , paul politics people podcast, paul duddndge politics people podcast, paul duddridge to get the latest on trump's trial in trump watch as his new york fraud case turns into a political circus at five. now my ice outside guest. she is an incredible woman. she's a dedicated public servant. she has been responsible for investing millions in services for adults with learning difficulties and children in care. can you guess who she is? i'll give you one more clue. she was the conservative mayoral candidate. that's coming up in

the next hour. tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. email gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me @gbnews . all right, let's get @gbnews. all right, let's get started. let's welcome again to my panel, gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson wilson. broadcasting journalist danny kelly. right. danny kelly, we're going to start with you. we've seen a lot of nigel already. >> well thank you. >> well thank you. >> good afternoon to you both. >> good afternoon to you both. >> it's a lovely day in the caphal >> it's a lovely day in the capital. very warm weather, talking about this woman, she's been deported. is she? >> at some point? >> at some point? >> well, she's apparently this is. these are her words that she's had her student visa revoked. good >> deepwater. you can't just openly praise nearly a thousand. >> i think at the time, there were reports , it wasn't quite a thousand. >> i think 1300 people died here around about. >> you can't just you can't just openly say, we're full of pride. >> we're full of joy. it's basically grateful that so many people are being slaughtered. they're not the type of people. freedom of speech is one thing, but it's a proscribed terror organisation. >> you can't be eulogising about

them. >> in my opinion, if you're going to come over to this fabulous country, it's a great country. >> that's why so many people get on dinghies every year. >> we are one of the best countries in the world, and i'm not being jingoistic, i'm just being. it's an honest reflection. what a fabulous place we all live in. if you're going to come to this fabulous country, at least tolerate our sensitivities about certain things. you know, don't go around saying, great 1300 jews slaughtered, women raped, kids killed . it's not the sort of killed. it's not the sort of thing that we want in this country. >> do you think? i mean, obviously those weren't the exact words she used. no paraphrasing, but she did accelerate the occasion a day after in her words. but do you think, nigel, that sometimes there's a lot of these people come from places where freedom of speech isn't permitted, then they think that freedom of speech means you can say absolutely out you like, well, i mean, in this case, the freedom of speech is limited by the law. >> exactly. so? so what? she denies that she broke the law. but if she did and what the home office have said is that she's a danger to public safety . if that

danger to public safety. if that is the case, then of course her student visa should be revoked. she is saying it's simply for having an opinion in which case it shouldn't. so it's difficult to know what the what the rights and wrongs there. but certainly that that is the law that you're here under a visa. but you here a bit under sufferance. it means that if you break the laws of the land, you can be deported. >> and that should be absolutely right. >> but, but but this is, if i may just say, this is typifying a problem that a lot of people perceive that people are coming to this country who absolutely hate us. and this is the personification of this perception. >> hang on, i don't i don't think she's talking about hating us, that she may be rather disappointed about about the country now she's being thrown out of it. what she's talking aboutis out of it. what she's talking about is the conflict in gaza. nigel i get that. >> but what i'm saying is it's typifying a perception that people in this country do not like what we stand for. yes you're right, she's talking about the 1300 people who were murdered. but never talking about the palestine, the palestine conflict and we've got

to understand that it really stirs up strong emotions. >> it's a perfect storm of human suffering , nigel. from the suffering, nigel. from the holocaust. down to what? to what happened? >> the comments she made initially that got her in trouble were made about a day after october the 7th, you see. so that is the thing. so israel hadnt so that is the thing. so israel hadn't done retaliated in any way, shape or form. so, you know, so we understand that people are upset by the way israel have retaliated, that some people may want to speak out. and so, you know, nobody wants people to die. but this is a war now, this action on october the 7th by hamas has initiated a war. but the fact of the matter is, before israel had even retaliated, she was already saying these things. so she literally has no justification to say, oh, it's because i'm worried about the people of palestine or anything like that. there's none of that . there's none of that. >> well, the issue has got to be whether she she becomes she poses a risk to public safety as a result of that. i don't know the exact words that she used the exact words that she used the day after full of pride, full of joy, words to that effect. i mean, clearly that anybody who then sanctions mass murder , what happened or

murder, what happened or terrorism and what happened on october 7 is not acceptable. yeah. >> so but but why is she not realised that what she did was glorify terror? so by doing that you are supporting terrorists. and we don't allow that in this country. no we don't. >> and if that then constitutes a risk to public safety, then she shouldn't be in this country. >> i think it does. i mean, that's just my view. >> but but also the broader point , i'm >> but but also the broader point, i'm just going to rewind 30s my point is that there are so many. there is so, so much unhappiness in this country. and maybe it's a perception. and perceptions aren't always correct , but there is correct, but there is a perception that we are importing people who do not like us, and that's a perception. now, this woman, you're right, she didn't say, i hate britain, i hate all of you. a lot of my point. yeah. no.and of you. a lot of my point. yeah. no. and you're right, we both agree with that. but nevertheless we have we have a student who's come over on a visa. she's been welcomed and she is she is basically eulogising about a terrorist organisation . and that sort of organisation. and that sort of dialogue falls in neatly with the perception that people think there's lots of people coming over who don't like us. it's all on that side of things.

>> yeah, but i mean, the perception of reality are different things. so if people are coming here who who don't like this country or don't want to be here, you wonder why they're coming here in the first place. what? this what she was talking about was purely what was going on in israel and palestine. >> well, no, but but but as you said, you said it's not about perception. perception. it's about reality . well, actually, about reality. well, actually, it is about perception. we can perceive that perception is important. she she poses a risk. and from what she is saying in terms of, you know, is celebrating the fact that this has happened even before israel retaliated. not that even those words would be justified, but you may have some understanding of why someone would feel upset for what's going on, but there wasn't even any of that. so the bottom line is this woman does pose a risk to us in this country. >> yeah, but you can't make a decent she you can't make a decision based on a perception is what i'm saying. but that's what this whole thing is. >> it is a perception of whether she poses a risk. >> i mean, what she said on screen. just a second ago didn't mention britain at all. so we're not talking about her. >> that's not really.

>> that's not really. >> but you see a judge or somebody at the home office through a perception has decided she's a threat. i mean, and a perception. >> no, i don't think that's true. somebody decided from the evidence that she poses a risk to perceive the evidence. >> but that is a subjective decision. there is no evidence. she hasn't said, i'm going to plant a bomb in a train station, has she? >> we don't know exactly why they revoked on that interview. revoked her, revoked her visa, if it's simply if it's simply based on an interview, where. that's correct. well, if it is simply based on that, i can't quite see how she poses a risk to public safety. >> well, well, that's because you didn't decide it. but someone much above us on on a different pay level has decided which is why based on that, which is why based on that, which is why based on that, which is why, which is perception, which was why you would need more evidence to actually. well, evidently not. >> well, i'm not sure. that's right, i think. well we'll see. >> she's a law student, so she's going to use everything she can in her power to stay. but i would suggest to her that whilst we do have freedom of speech, it comes with boundaries and that would be. and you. she may well have crossed one, but we shall follow that story and keep you

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gp doctor david lloyd. i'm going to start with you, roy. lily, what are your thoughts on these plans? >> well, the nhs is working over time now. >> i mean, part of nhs england's overspend was they. there are about 9 billion overspent last yean about 9 billion overspent last year, part of that was over time agency and bank working. and of course nhs staff have . course nhs staff have. a contract of 37.5 hours a week . contract of 37.5 hours a week. all overtime will be discretionary. so you can't make people work overtime. i mean, i'm sure some will welcome it and want to do it. some it will push them into a higher tax band andifs push them into a higher tax band and it's probably not worth doing it. some will have family commitments and can't do it, so you can't. i mean, this doesn't strike me as a as a kind of a plan to actually fix something. it's just a, you know, some opportunistic ideas to say, well, if people work a bit more, we'll get a bit more done. it's, it's, you know, it doesn't strike me as being a cohesive, management plan to sort out the problems .

management plan to sort out the problems. that management plan to sort out the problems . that there are management plan to sort out the problems. that there are in the nhs. the, the difficulties were outlined this week in a very good paper that was presented to nhs england's board, where they talked about productivity and throughput and getting more done. and the difficulties are simply that primarily people are a lot sicker than they were. average length of stay has gone up, it was 3 to 5 and now we're, we're talking, you know, probably 4 to 7, 4 to 8. there's a there's a big issue with social services once people are medically fit to go home, they're still frail, need to be looked after and getting care plans for them is getting more and more difficult. so there's a huge backlog there. and finally, there's been a sort of a complete lack of investment in the nhs in the, you know, the years following the war banking crisis, flat line funding. we have fewer nurses, fewer doctors , fewer beds, fewer kit, fewer everything per head of population . i mean, if i just population. i mean, if i just said to you, the average and, number of beds per head of population, across europe is

five. and here in the uk it's two and a half. so these are the big problems that labour needs to fix, not whether or not, you know , nurses are going to want know, nurses are going to want to do overtime. >> thank you for that, roy, doctor david lloyd. >> well, i think that's a small part of what labour has pledged. i think the idea of having these , neighbour to health centres is a good idea. we used to have them back in the old days of labour party, where we all worked together 12 hours a day, seven days a week, and we provided a fantastic service. and so i'm all for bringing that back. and i know a lot of my colleagues would like to work in that sort of way, working alongside consultants and nurses, other specialities, all providing care locally, by people that patients know , peter people that patients know, peter edwards, wasn't it the labour party? wasn't it tony blair who kind of broke up a lot of the nhs trusts, i mean, or created . nhs trusts, i mean, or created. a lot of the trust because i

remember tony blair had a big involvement in that. >> gosh, that might be a question for medical historians rather than me. but the primary care trust system did change under under labour. so. absolutely right. let's go back to what your previous contributors were saying. staffing. i think staffing is part of the answer and labour have been clear. it's not the only answer, but for the reasons described, you get through the backlog but also remember that patient outcomes are often a bit worse on a saturday on sunday. so apart from the backlog, there's a wider benefit in having more staff on call at the weekend. nana i don't need to tell you as a journalist that that many of us in different industries work at weekends. yeah. so it does seem like as though it's some sort of oh, we don't get more people working on weekends. they do anyway. that feels a bit of a sort of a curveball. i don't think that's anything new. adam brooks look, we can't skirt around the edges here. >> the nhs has got record, amounts of funding. now, you could double that and we'd still have massive issues in the nhs. there's waste . i know of there's waste. i know of suppliers that have got different tariffs. one for normal companies, one for the nhs, the nhs, overpays for

everything. we've got corruption on a huge . scale within the nhs, on a huge. scale within the nhs, we've got middle managers, that middle manage. other middle managers are meeting for a meeting is waste, complete waste. there's so many jobs that could go and we could put them on the front line, you know, hire better nurses and doctors. we've got, foreign interpreters, we've got foreign health tourists . you know, we've got tourists. you know, we've got diversity managers complete nonsense within the nhs that it's just wasting money so you can throw as much money as you want at, at this problem. labour is not going to going to solve this until they sort the core problems out. you know, as i say , you can throw as much money as you want at the nhs and it still won't improve. >> but all those diversity managers that you talk about at net zero, all those people came in under the tory government, didn't they . so and the question didn't they. so and the question is whether we can trust labour

with the nhs and if all the things you've cited, they did come in under the tory government. okay. so blair, a lot of questions asked whether tony blair privatised it. he was responsible for not just bringing the private sector in to provide additional capacity, but but also to use it for challenging the sort of nhs institutions . so in challenging the sort of nhs institutions. so in some challenging the sort of nhs institutions . so in some way, institutions. so in some way, tony blair did do you think, adam, that he did a good or bad job? >> i'm really not a big fan of tony blair, so i'm not going to say he did a great job. i think he ruined this country in many instances. but under gordon brown, the funding structure that he put within the nhs, is it ppi or ppe? >> it was the this was the pfi, pfi, pfi contracts. >> a lot of the funding that nhs trusts get are spent still on these payments. it's still bankrupting the nhs . so a labour bankrupting the nhs. so a labour government help themselves short term and then they've hurt the nhs long term. and i think they could do that again. they could bnngin could do that again. they could bring in something that makes them look . good maybe improves

them look. good maybe improves it short term, but it's going to bankrupt the country and bankrupt the country and bankrupt the country and bankrupt the nhs. >> but could they do a worse job?i >> but could they do a worse job? i mean, at least they've not had. how many health secretaries is it in four years? i think it was eight health secretaries or something. in fact, in one year the tories, the tories in one year had four health secretaries. i mean, this is in 2022. so i don't know what you think. but final, final word. roy lilley, do you think, that labour are on the right track with the nhs and if not, what would be the one thing that you would suggest that should be done to increase capacity and get it, get it working properly? >> well, the one thing i would do is to sort out social care. >> i mean, borisjohnson stood >> i mean, boris johnson stood on the steps of downing street and said, we have an oven ready system to sort out social care. >> and he went missing. we've had umpteen people kind of, you know, i can't remember so many of them. they've and they've all ducked social care and labour are ducking social care. you have to fix social care for two reasons. one, about 900,000 people, frail people who used to get support from local government . so the care packages

government. so the care packages and so on no longer get it because the eligibility criteria has been pushed up because local government doesn't have the money to provide them. so that means we got 900,000 refugees in our own system, where do they end up in a&e? that's part of the problem . the other end of the problem. the other end of that problem is once people are medically ready to go home, they can't go home without some kind of support, mainly domiciliary care . the domiciliary care care. the domiciliary care market is completely knackered because they're not paying enough money for it. people don't want to work in it because they pay a minimum wage, and they pay a minimum wage, and they can go and work in a supermarket , they can go and work in a supermarket, and it's a lot cheapen supermarket, and it's a lot cheaper. so the one thing i would do is to fix the one thing that all of these politicians duck, and that's fix social care i >> -- >> social care. all right. well yes or no then roy lilley. yes or no. do you trust labour with the nhs . the nhs. >> oh yeah. >> oh yeah.

>> yeah i think they're going to do any worse than anybody else. >> doctor david lloyd, do you trust labour. yes. or no. >> lutely. >> lutely. >> and look at the disasters that the dentistry systems got into under this government, it's so easy to do that into general practice as well. so yes, labour is safe, labour is safe and the nhs and will do something about the appalling dentistry service. >> addenbrooke's. >> addenbrooke's. >> no, i think they're going to bankrupt the nhs and peter edwards. >> yes. >> yes. >> public satisfaction was a record high under the last labour government. >> okay. well that's their thoughts. peter edwards, former editor of the labourlist. adam brookes, businessman and activist. rory littlehales, writer and commentator and doctor david lloyd, nhs gp doctor. thank you so much. what doctor. thank you so much. what do you think at home, gbnews.com/yoursay say you're with me. i'm nana. akua. this is gb news coming up. we'll continue with the great british debate. i'm asking, would you trust labour with . the nhs? trust labour with. the nhs? you'll hear the thoughts of my panel you'll hear the thoughts of my panel. nigel nelson and danny kelly. still to come. my outside guests. we're talking highs, lows, lessons learnt. what comes next on the outside? well, she's a dedicated public servant. for years she started a journey as a councillor in harrow and was the conservative mayoral candidate. she will be live at five. first

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the nhs over reliance on migrant workers . he the nhs over reliance on migrant workers. he highlighted the nhs over reliance on migrant workers . he highlighted the need workers. he highlighted the need to train more uk based healthcare professionals . what healthcare professionals. what do you think? is he right? so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking would you trust labour with the nhs? well, let's see what my panel make of that. i'm joined by gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson and also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. danny kelly coming to you straight away, what do you think i would trust labour? >> i don't have an ideological issue with labour and the nhs . issue with labour and the nhs. history tells us how difficult it is to fund the nhs. it's littered with. well, again, going back to perception, it's littered with what some people would say were were mistakes with pfi would say were were mistakes with pf! and things like that. don't forget pfi. the reason they introduced pfi don't forget pfi. the reason they introduced pe! is because they introduced pe! is because the government understood that mandarins couldn't organise things and couldn't run big, massive organisations like the nhs. but private people could. the consequences of that are that private need to make a few quid out of it? we get all of that, but i would, i would, i mean it's rather straightforward. i've never really understood why the nhs isn't a proper seven day a week

outfit. i've never really understood. well it is. well it's not because consultants that's true are off at weekends. generally speaking . yes, generally speaking. yes, there'll be one and yes they'll be on call. i get all of that. but people have cardiac arrests on a saturday morning. i've never really understood why it's not a full time, seven day a week outfit. if labour can correct that, amend it then yes, of course that's the plan. >> so. so what? wes streeting has got has got to go with goes a lot further than just simply paying a lot further than just simply paying overtime for doctors and nurses to work evenings and weekends. one of the things he would do, for instance, an answer to that is to stop surgeons clocking off at 5:00. his view is why should they? they should. they should keep going. they should do shift work like like anybody else, the reforms of the nhs will be about turning it into a prevention service rather than a sickness service. so for instance, 80% of serious illness is in the pre—symptomatic stage where we don't know about it. if we went for enough screening, then the

chancellor, you could pick these things up earlier. and one of the plans that he's got is to double the number of scanners that the nhs have at the moment. >> but the reason that we're in this pickle is that there are quite simply, too many people in this country for the services. it's as simple as that. we're overwhelmed with people and people, no matter where they come from, they get sick and he says that we need to train more indigenous, more brits to help out the nhs . well, the reason out the nhs. well, the reason that we're in this position and the reason that we need to we rely on migrants is because we've got so many migrants who are in the system . well, that's are in the system. well, that's it's a never ending. >> well, that's not quite i don't think that's quite right. the reason why we're in this mess is because it's been underfunded and in a, in a respect that the way it's been built up and also i think its remit is actually impossible. you cannot literally give everybody something free at the point of need, even though it's coming out of taxes. i just don't think it's realistic. but let's see what my, let's welcome our great british voice, because the show is nothing without you. and your views, your opportunity to be on the show and tell me what you think about what we're discussing. let's go to northamptonshire, shall we? let's speak to miranda richardson. wow. not the miranda

richardson, our miranda richardson, our miranda richardson, the gb news. miranda richardson, the gb news. miranda richardson . miranda, what are richardson. miranda, what are you saying? >> nana? look at us both. pretty in pink. >> i know everyone's in it. yeah, everyone's in it. so what do you think, miranda? did you trust labour with the nhs ? trust labour with the nhs? >> i'm kind of with danny on this one. you know , i don't this one. you know, i don't trust them. and i don't distrust them. as we all know , it doesn't them. as we all know, it doesn't matter who's in charge. the nhs is in a mess. regardless of who it is, i think it is quite right . you know, i just my dad's just beenin . you know, i just my dad's just been in hospital, you know, a couple of months for, two different things. long time , you different things. long time, you know, we know that one friday rolls around. well, you'll just be in there for the weekend. somebody will come back and see you on monday. you know, and that recovery and that being able to get that support through it doesn't happen at the weekends. you know, god forbid you get ill on a friday because you get ill on a friday because you won't see anybody until monday, and i think that that's one of the biggest issues, and. yeah. why, you know, why don't they work shifts like everybody else? you know, they're just

because, you know, that's why. then the wait in a&e becomes so long because guess what? the emergency rolls in at 4:00 in the morning. and anybody else that's been on there waits because there's one consultant, there's one surgeon, there's one doctor, but also, you know, again , we don't the system isn't again, we don't the system isn't big enough. every day, no matter where you live in the country, there is new news about so many new houses going up, so many new fields have been bought for new houses bought for development. where i am in northampton, our hospital hasn't got any bigger . hospital hasn't got any bigger. yeah, there are houses all around it. you know, that's that's the problem. >> we've got a growing population and the infrastructures are simply not catching up. miranda, thank you so much . lovely. lovely to talk so much. lovely. lovely to talk to you. that's a brilliant miranda richardson in northamptonshire . yeah, she's northamptonshire. yeah, she's our miranda richardson. right. you're with me. i'm nana akua . you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news coming up to 47 minutes after 4:00 on the way. in the next hour, the great british debate i'm asking, is it time to shut down pro—palestine

protests? but next world view will go live to la and speak to the host of the politics people podcast with paul duddridge.

good afternoon, and welcome to gb news. what's moving there? i thought, oh, well, i'm on tv, onune thought, oh, well, i'm on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua . welcome again to my nana akua. welcome again to my panel nana akua. welcome again to my panel, danny kelly. and also nigel nelson. and lots of you have been getting in touch @gbnews .com forward slash your say let's see what else have we got. so lots of you been saying stuff pete says no, i could never trust labour. i would sooner because earlier i was asking, would you trust labour with the nhs and pete says, no, i could never trust labour. i would sooner eat my own vomit than support them. it's not particularly nice. >> okay. >> okay. >> bon appetit. if you just tuck it into. >> yeah, well , you won't have to >> yeah, well, you won't have to go to hospital. exactly. let's

hope you don't need a doctor, and then. what have you got here? oh, somebody's telling how. how do i vote, they don't like, you know, some people are complaining about you. simply. no labour couldn't run a tap. it's not fair on your party, is it not? do you think. and then labour did. >> did actually found the nhs andifs >> did actually found the nhs and it's been under in better management when they've been in power than when they haven't been , james says we don't need been, james says we don't need any more pro—hamas terrorists coming here from abroad masquerading as students. we have enough of our own home made ones already. so a lot of home made terror in this country. that's probably quite true. graham says we do not have to justify why a visa is being revoked. this is about the student who has said that she's having a visa revoked. a visa in this country is a privilege, not a right. do you think that's fair enough, isn't it? yeah, right. and, what else have we got here having been, stephen says, having been a lifelong tory voter, given the diabolical shambles of the country and having lived through the last

labour government, i would not trust any of our current inept politicians to look after anything. they are all pathetic . anything. they are all pathetic. on that bombshell. let's flip over to los angeles and have a chat with host paul duddridge, host of the politics people podcast, and let's get a quick update on trump . now, trump is update on trump. now, trump is floating the idea of a three term presidency. see, that's a good idea. well, i would like them to have only a two term mayoral thing in london or anywhere. i think somebody should only be mayor twice in a row, but, well , he wants to row, but, well, he wants to extend it one more term so he could he wouldn't . well, it has could he wouldn't. well, it has to be if he did for 12 years on from the eight years now. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> i mean, you know, obviously he won the last two elections, but he's he's always floated this he's always floated the idea of having like three, even four terms because he just he knows it winds up the left. >> it'sjust knows it winds up the left. >> it's just it's just a bait. he was addressing the national rifle association yesterday and floated him i mean this will all be regurgitated. like he said, he's going to be a dictator. so no, it's just it's just him

playing with the, playing with the left, teasing them . the left, teasing them. >> but he does. >> but he does. >> on a serious note, he does feel cheated, i believe out of 2020 and should get an asterisk and a do over. >> and that will technically be another. >> do you do you think the election was stolen from him ? election was stolen from him? yes. you do. yeah. and the thing is , with trump, there's many is, with trump, there's many things that he said. and people have sort of laughed at it. and a lot of them have turned out to be true in time. a lot of them have turned out to be true in time . so what about be true in time. so what about biden, though? because biden says a lot of stuff as well. but finally, the mainstream media are fact checking him, a fact checking him. >> can you imagine journalists are journalists are fact checking a president. >> i've never seen the like. >> i've never seen the like. >> biden's been saying, amongst other things , biden's been other things, biden's been slurring that, inflation was at 9% when he came in. >> and for the very first time, we're seeing people like cnn, even msnbc, pushing back on the

white house narrative, saying, well, it was it was like at 1.4, even though it was at like very, very low, historically low in some areas , levels. and but he's some areas, levels. and but he's saying at 9% when i came in, 9% when i came in and they're all going back and saying, now it wasn't now, i think there's an underlying trend happening here in the establishment. when we've talked about this before, i think biden's gone by august, and i think that the establishment is beginning to push back and slightly withdraw their support and allowing a fresh candidate to come in and replace him, after the, after august and before the election , august and before the election, well, listen, paul was struggling a little bit with your audience, so we'll have to leave it there. but thank you very much. that is paul duddridge. he's the host of the politics people podcast, giving us an update. well, listen, stay tuned because coming up, my outside guest, who's a mystery. who is she? well, she led calls for the mayor to cut wasteful spending and increased police funding to make london a safe

place. i'm sure you've guessed who she is. she'll be live in the studio coming up, though. the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, is it time to shut down pro—palestine protests? first, an update with your. protests? first, an update with your . weather. your. weather. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello! welcome to your gb news weather update from the met office for the rest of today. we've still got some warm sunshine on offer. the risk of the odd shower but feeling cooler. in the east we've got a ridge of high pressure extending out towards the west that's bringing in the settled conditions through much of today with light winds, as indicated by the isobars. otherwise, plenty of late evening sunshine on offer today. any showers across southwestern parts of scotland and cumbria fading away into the evening. otherwise we've got a return of low cloud coming in from the north sea and

pushing its way further towards the west. clearer skies are further the west you go, but low cloud, mist and fog perhaps developing across northern ireland. temperatures around 10 or 11 but feeling cooler underneath the clearer skies. so quite a murky start on monday morning, especially further east that you go so across scotland , that you go so across scotland, north eastern coast as well, holding a lot of low cloud, mist and fog. but further the west, bright skies to start the day. northern ireland like i said, some low cloud , mist and fog some low cloud, mist and fog should lift and break and then low cloud really lingering across parts of the southeast . across parts of the southeast. brighter skies further to the west. you go and dry to so through the rest of monday morning, low cloud, mist and fog should start lifting, breaking and burning its way back to coastline might be a little bit slower than what we've seen on tuesday for today, but otherwise plenty of sunny spells on offer. the risk of some heavy showers, especially across western parts of northern ireland. elsewhere

feeling perhaps a little bit cooler than what we saw on the weekend, but otherwise still feeling warm in the sunshine as we go through the rest of monday evening. any cloud generally breaking away. still, with the risk of some heavy showers across western parts of northern ireland and perhaps developing across the south two otherwise tuesday, wednesday and thursday turning unsettled, showers or perhaps some longer spells of rain . rain. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boiler as sponsors of weather on

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week's outside now i'm joined by a dedicated public servant. we'll be discussing highs, lows and the lessons learnt about her. extremely interesting career in the london assembly. of course, she is susan hall. she is doing her first interview since she lost that mayoral race. so do not go anywhere then for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking is it time to shut down pro—palestine protests? but first let's get your latest latest news headunes your latest latest news headlines with sam francis . headlines with sam francis. >> very good evening to you. it's 5:00 exactly. i'm sam francis. a look at the headlines this evening . francis. a look at the headlines this evening. bad francis. a look at the headlines this evening . bad weather is this evening. bad weather is continuing to complicate efforts to locate president ebrahim raisi after his helicopter crashed in the mountains of iran. the aircraft suffered what's been described as a hard landing while returning from a visit to neighbouring azerbaijan is being reported that the lives of both the president and the foreign minister, who was also

on board that helicopter, are at risk with an iranian official describing the latest but limited information coming from the crash site as very concerning. we're also hearing from state tv in iran that the dispatched rescue team are due to reach the probable coordinates of the president's helicopter crash within the next half hour or so. meanwhile, here in the uk, the families of those affected by the infected blood scandal are holding a vigil this evening ahead of an independent inquiry's final report, due out tomorrow. the scandal has been the subject of the biggest ever pubuc the subject of the biggest ever public inquiry in the uk, after tens of thousands of people were infected with contaminated blood. the chancellor has vowed to compensate victims with a £10 billion package, with jeremy hunt claiming it was part of fulfilling a promise that he'd made to a constituent who died after contracting hepatitis c. well, one of the victims, joan edgington, has discussed the effect it's had on her. >> all have different and

various physical, but it's the mental, the anguish, of what we're going through . and that in we're going through. and that in itself is a support. if you have a, you know , the friends a, you know, the friends support, but also as mentioned that the red cross are there at the hearings and we can now go for counselling. and a lot of people i know , go for people i know, go for counselling and just, it's the uncertainty of your future, and what it's done to you, and if, if stability of your mind in way. >> joan edgington, they're one of the victims of the infected blood scandal. well in other news, nhs staff will be told to work evenings and weekends under labour's plans to slash waiting lists . hospitals would be asked lists. hospitals would be asked to share staff and to pool their waiting lists as part of a £1.1 billion drive to provide an extra 40,000 appointments each week. shadow health secretary wes streeting has also promised to protect whistleblowers and to cut the nhs reliance on migrant

workers , £1.1 billion paid for workers, £1.1 billion paid for by clamping down on tax avoidance and also closing non—dom loopholes as well. >> and that will enable to us put £1.1 billion directly into the pockets of nhs staff to deliver those extra appointments at evenings and weekends , using at evenings and weekends, using an approach that's been tried and tested at the london hospital. i can literally see out of my office window in westminster and therefore an approach we need to see available to patients right across the country, not just in london. and that does come with a cost. and that's why we've made this commitment as our first step on the journey to busting the tory backlog and cutting nhs waiting lists . cutting nhs waiting lists. >> in israel, a war cabinet minister has threatened to resign if the prime minister, benjamin netanyahu , doesn't benjamin netanyahu, doesn't adopt a new plan for gaza. benny gantz has set a deadline of the 8th of june to get a plan in place that will achieve six strategic goals, including the end of hamas rule in gaza. it

comes after the israeli military says it has recovered another body after the bodies of three other israeli hostages were recovered from gaza on friday. israel says it believes 100 hostages are still alive there. defence secretary grant shapps told us this morning that he is pleased that benny gantz has spoken out. >> it is vital , vital that for >> it is vital, vital that for israel, of course, for palestinians that there is a route in which they end up with a government which is which are not a bunch of terrorists, which is what hamas are. but people who can properly represent them. and israel needs to set that out, because there could be, if you put all of those pieces into place and combine it with normalisation of relations with saudi arabia , for example, saudi arabia, for example, a better future for that region, including for israel. so, yes, i do think it's time to set that out. and we have been urging this step to take place . this step to take place. >> and finally, in sport, manchester city are heading for

a premier league record fourth title in a row. they're two one up currently on the final day of the season against west ham . if the season against west ham. if city win, arsenal won't be able to finish above them and they are currently being held one all by everton . for the latest by everton. for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. common alerts now, though. more from . nana. more from. nana. >> good afternoon. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. it'sjust news on tv online and on digital radio. it's just coming news on tv online and on digital radio. it'sjust coming up news on tv online and on digital radio. it's just coming up to five minutes after 5:00. and for the next hour , me and my panel the next hour, me and my panel will be debating, discussing, and at times we will disagree. but no one will be cancelled. now coming up, my incredible guest every sunday at five, i'm joined by a celebrity or former mp or someone who has had an extremely interesting career to talk about. life after the job. we talk highs, lows and lessons learned and what comes next on the outside today i'm joined by

a member of the london assembly who's dedicated to improving the lives of londoners and standing up against policies such as ulez, which she believes makes them worse off. of course you've worked out who she is. she's just come off a gruelling head to head battle with labour's london mayor, sadiq khan. obviously you know who she is . obviously you know who she is. all will be revealed in a matter of moments. it's her first interview after that race. then for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, is it time to shut down pro—palestine protests ? it's as the met police protests? it's as the met police are coming under increasing pressure to take action, with the home office set to give them new powers . so for the great new powers. so for the great british debate this hour, what do you think i'm asking? is it time to shut these marches down? after all, as suella said, a lot of people believe they are hate marchers. get in touch gb news. com forward. slash yourself . com forward. slash yourself. right. so every sunday at five, i'm joined by a celebrity, a former mp or someone who's had an extremely interesting career

to take a look at life after the job. we talk highs, lows and lessons learnt and what comes next on the outside. and this week my guest has been a dedicated public servant for years now. she started her journey in harrow as a councillor since 2006. known for her leadership, she served as the head of the conservative group in harrow and led the council where she made significant strides in freezing council tax and investing in vital services. she's also been on the london assembly since 2017, and challenged london mayor sadiq khan in the recent mayoral election. of course, you've got it. you have, haven't you?ifs you've got it. you have, haven't you? it's the fabulous former conservative london mayoral candidate, susan hall. >> hello, hello, nana. >> hello, hello, nana. >> it's so good to have you on board because i wanted to talk to you in particular about what it was like as you went through that mayoral campaign, because there was so much out there, and it must have been so pressured. what was it like ? what was it like? >> sukh. well, it had lots of different moments. i mean , one different moments. i mean, one of the best things was listening

to, londoners and i spent a lot of time doing that . i was with of time doing that. i was with a very small group of people that were helping me, but they are such lovely people. they made it much, much easier for me, and of course, the problems that, all politicians have is the abuse they get for doing the job, as best as they can. so it had its moments. it had good moments , moments. it had good moments, and it had more difficult moments. >> as a person , the toll that it >> as a person, the toll that it took on you must have been quite intense , because i was i thought intense, because i was i thought you'd be out there a lot, but for some reason you didn't seem to be out as much as i was expecting to see. was there a reason for that? do you mean on the media? >> yes. no, i wasn't, i was spending most of my time talking to londoners, listening to what they were saying. and when i realised i wasn't going to win, i really felt for the people that had begged me to do what i could because of the ulez expansion. no body should impose a tax that will hit the poorest and most . that's exactly what and most. that's exactly what sadiq khan has done with ulez

expansion . expansion. >> but he would argue that he is creating a clean air environment for the people in both inner and outer london. i mean, that's his argument. >> well, i would urge him to go and talk to those people that simply cannot afford to replace their cars and just don't know what they're going to do. and i feel that i've let them down and i'm very sorry, because if there's one thing he should do is to put a stop to the ulez expansion, but he won't. >> now, your campaign , there >> now, your campaign, there were controversial moments in the campaign. people talked about tweets that you liked and all this sort of thing did. did you find that was sort of a distracting from the actual focus of what you could bring to london? >> well, of course, and what we've got to look at is that labour will always immediately unterm any of their opponents as far right. they love to call all of us racist , far right. they love to call all of us racist, right, islamophobic, white supremacist, and of course, on that we can look at that dreadful tweet from wes streeting, which he put out

the day before the election, and if you don't know somebody and you're thinking about voting and you're thinking about voting and you suddenly think this person has been called all these things , that's going to frighten you, you're not going to want that person. and this is exactly what labour do all the time. and they use hope not hate. as an organisation. it's supposed to be a charity and it does nothing but smear and demonise people . but smear and demonise people. if anybody looked into it doesn't touch anything to do with labour. it's always the conservatives that it has a go at, or anybody that's centre or right leaning, and they, i think they've been given public money, but they, their chairman, we don't have evidence of that though. well, their chairman is, is somebody that is on the national executive of the labour party. so so i hope somebody does delve into it and have a look because the literature they were putting out against me was nothing but a disgrace. >> well, let me for those who don't know what wes streeting said in his, on his twitter , he

said in his, on his twitter, he said in his, on his twitter, he said a win for susan hall and the conservatives is a win for racists, white supremacists and islamophobe the world over. now thatis islamophobe the world over. now that is our potential health minister, emily carver did challenge him this morning on it. and let's have a listen to what his reasoning was and how he got out of why he said those things . things. >> braverman where's where's your guilty of you're guilty of throwing mud just as much as the conservatives are. i mean, last time we spoke it was about about tweet. it was about that tweet to susan hall's supporters, wasn't it? where's saying that a vote for susan hall at the labour mayoral elections was a vote for, you know, racists and islamophobes and all of this that was potentially tarnishing millions of voters in london who are just fed up of sadiq khan's record on something. >> no. >> no. >> absolutely not. in politics. isn't it really big enough ? isn't it really big enough? >> no. sadiq is big enough and ugly enough to take criticism. if people don't like him or don't like his policies, we've not. you know, we'll disagree on

that. but that's totally legit. in a in a democracy , what sadiq in a in a democracy, what sadiq has faced, i think, is an unprecedented barrage of racism and prejudice . as the mayor of and prejudice. as the mayor of london, that's what i was calling out. and i don't think susan hall is racist. i don't think she's a white supremacist . think she's a white supremacist. i don't think she's an islamophobe. >> so he called it totally legit for a democracy. that's what he's saying. >> yeah, i bet they wouldn't like it if we did it to them. and quite frankly, we wouldn't because we don't think that way . because we don't think that way. we don't think of our labour colleagues as being scum . we colleagues as being scum. we don't think that way. but unfortunately they do . and it's unfortunately they do. and it's all very well for him to say i'm very glad he has said that because i had i've come in contact with him and i did like him so clearly the day before an election to do that. it's done for a reason. it's done to frighten people into thinking, oh my goodness, we don't want somebody or people like that. >> well, i think a lot of it probably had the reverse effect of some people thinking, well,

whoa, if that's what the labour party thinks, that that's good acceptable to put out there, then it isn't acceptable. i mean, i looked at that and thought if i did that and did something like that, i'm sure i would be in trouble. and if any of the people who work here said things like that, we would be in trouble for that. that's not something that you should be able to get away with. but what effect did it have on you personally? because i know you wrote a piece in the paper about the effect that you were afraid to go out because, well, you've got to remember that 6.1 million people saw that tweet and if they actually believed it, and 6.1 million is a hell of a lot of people that have seen it, if any of them believe it. >> and i'm out and about in london all the time, or i'm on the underground a lot, you know , the underground a lot, you know, it does put people in danger and we should we should be far more responsible. and i'm afraid labour are not responsible at all when they throw these accusations at conservatives in particular, because who knows what will happen. and it's not good enough. quite frankly. >> has he apologised to you personally for that? no, of course not. >> i don't see well he's doubled

down on it. >> but even there he said that it's totally legit in a democracy. for him to say that . democracy. for him to say that. >> yeah, well, we can all take a view about that. i don't think it is. >> well, you know, i would urge you as if you are listening, >> well, you know, i would urge you as if you are listening , to you as if you are listening, to apologise directly to susan because that that's not acceptable. and actually it's an inqu acceptable. and actually it's an insult to the people who voted for you. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> i mean, it's calling us all white supremacists and all that kind of thing, which what happened with lee anderson when he talked about sadiq khan, he was in trouble. he lost the whip and he's no longer representing the conservative party. so, suzanne, what happens now? you've been through the mayoral race. you didn't win . there was race. you didn't win. there was a moment where we thought you might win. yeah but you sadly didn't win. obviously, a lot of londoners were disappointed by that. what happens now? >> well , i'm a that. what happens now? >> well, i'm a i'm a conservative through and through. i shall continue to fight for the conservatives in the general election. i think many people need to be a bit concerned because i think sadiq khan and, keir starmer are looking at london and looking at

the way that sadiq khan is raising money in london. the ulez expansion has brought him in eye—watering sums of money, clearly pay per mile was on his agenda. there's no question about that. thankfully. i hope my campaign has made him at least stall it. but keir starmer will be looking at that because i think there's something like £28 billion unaccounted for in his pledges. so he'll be looking to how he can make more money from from people in the country, basically a tax in order to fund his pledges . and i would say be his pledges. and i would say be careful, he's war on the motorist. will be coming next, and it will be coming for people that drive and when you look at the pay per mile, i suspect we will have to be looking at that. if labour win the next election, then look out all of you, because war on the motorists will continue . will continue. >> well, well, he said that he's not going to do pay per mile. he sort of turned, said, sort of reversed his decision and said he's not going to. and this was before the mayoral campaign,

sadiq khan said during the mayoral campaign that he wasn't having spent over , 20, £20 having spent over, 20, £20 million. i think it was . on million. i think it was. on looking at the research into it, it's in his it was in his strategy. it's all over the place and there are people working on it now. so you know, he says he's not going to do something he never said he was going to bring in the ulez expansion. in fact, he said he wasn't going to. and look what happened there. so i think we need to be careful. and i think the country needs to be careful because the war on the motorists will continue , because somebody will continue, because somebody has got to fund that great big hole , £28 billion hole in keir hole, £28 billion hole in keir starmer's pledges, because i'm not seeing the development of development of what is needed if we are to go forward with electric cars because in london i don't see much infrastructure going in. are there plans for infrastructure within london for this? if they're trying to push us all into this direction, there's nowhere near enough infrastructure. >> i know so many people that were going to buy electric and aren't now, and so and i believe

the, the demand for electric cars is going down. that's what i read somewhere, no , we're just i read somewhere, no, we're just not ready for it. >> does seem a bit odd that they'd want to advocate for that, because that means they need places where you can park to charge the car. london is very short on space, so in order to charge a car, you need a car's length to sit in a charter. and london does not have that kind of infrastructure. >> well that's right. and it's worse than that because in sadiq khan's london plan, which is what i was going to change, it actually stops car parking spaces where you've got flats and things like that. so people in flats, how on earth do they get their cars recharged? if it won't work at the moment? >> and also, once everybody has a car that no longer is no longer falls within the charge of ulez . so if your car is of ulez. so if your car is completely compliant, which in time every car will be, especially with the scrappage scheme, what will be the point of those cameras? and that's well, it's pay per mile. >> that's what it's as obvious to all of us. but as i say, i

think we're the test bed in london. i think the test bed to see how these things work, so that if keir starmer does come into power, that everybody can expect that throughout the country. >> and finally, knife crime, a big a big problem in london. oh, shocking . and the metropolitan shocking. and the metropolitan police, it doesn't feel, that anything is happening. what is happening with regard to knife crime ? crime? >> well, we all see it most days. we said it is shocking, which is why people said, oh, the main thrust of your campaign was the ulez expansion. it wasn't because that would have been stopped on day one. the main thrust of my campaign was around policing. i am passionate about policing. we need to get more police on the streets. therefore they need to be based back where the community they're policing are. and that's why i was going to put in two more bases in each borough so that the police can be stationed near the police can be stationed near the communities that they're serving. that would really help with stopping things like knife crime, because people get the

different police officers get to know the community, and they know the community, and they know pretty quick where there are issues in different communities. >> and finally, that speech at the end, when i thought you were quite gracious towards sadiq khan, you said you're going to hold him to account when he he won that. you've got a lot of flak for that. people saying that you were having a go at him , even though you should have been saying other things. what was your thoughts on the day? and then that handshake. there was the handshake. people were saying that you offered his hand and he ignored you. was that what happened whilst you were there? because that's what it looked like. yep. >> to me, that's what it felt like. but you'd have to ask him that. yes. when? when he was announced. yeah. i wanted to congratulate him. i was standing next to him and the speech was. yes, i will be continuing to hold you to account because londoners deserve that. and that's what. and i asked him to do better because knife crime is absolutely shocking. it's going through the roof. you know, all those mothers that know their kids are involved in gangs are frightened of them going out. of course they are. and we need to

be dealing with it. and we're not. i'm afraid. >> but you will. you are still in the london assembly. you are still working hard, holding him to account. and are you likely to account. and are you likely to go back again and try again to go back again and try again to be, oh gosh, you have to jump through so many hoops before you're selected. >> so it would not be my it would not might be my decision. >> all right. well suzanne hall, thank you very much for giving me your first interview. after that mayoral race. thank you, thank you, thank you very much. thatis thank you, thank you very much. that is conservative london mayoral candidate susan hall. she's also a councillor. well, what do you think? gbnews.com/win your say? we'd like to get all your thoughts on everything we're talking about, coming up though. lots still to come, the mini debate whether the tories were wrong to oust bons the tories were wrong to oust boris johnson, former chancellor and ezedi zahawi seems to think so. but next, the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, is it time to shut down pro—palestine protests this is

gb news. hello. good afternoon. if you're just tuned in. where have you been? it's fine. it's 24 minutes after 5:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua, and it's time for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, is it time to shut down pro—palestine protests 7 shut down pro—palestine protests ? after months of marches every weekend, shutting down our capital city and across the country as well , the country as well, the metropolitan police are now coming under increasing pressure to get a grip. it's as the home office is set to give them new powers to take back control of our streets . what do you think? our streets. what do you think? is this an assault on freedom of speech ? so, for the great speech? so, for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, is it time to shut down pro—palestine protests? well, joining me now, former editor of the labourlist, peter edwards, former london police officer and director of law and order foundation, norman brennan, and also broadcaster christine hamilton and alongside her husband, former ukip leader neil hamilton . hello, guys. right, hamilton. hello, guys. right, lovely to see you, christine. thank you for joining

lovely to see you, christine. thank you forjoining me. she's thank you for joining me. she's great, isn't she? christine. she's a bastion. she's there working to make sure she's on with me. lovely. right. let's start with you, norman brennan, we've had them every single weekend . we're sick and tired of weekend. we're sick and tired of them. they've been all over the country, and in particular, they've. every weekend in london, things are shutting down. jewish people can't go out in the streets. is it time to sort of ban or shut down some of these, these pro—palestine protests ? protests? >> absolutely, i'm sick and tired of it . the >> absolutely, i'm sick and tired of it. the public are sick and tired. >> it victims of crime are sick and tired of it, thousands of police officers, every, every week, are leaving their police stations and divisions, to attend these protests that they've made their point. >> they've said what they needed to say , and sadly, the public to say, and sadly, the public and the victims and the retail industry are not seeing police officers on the street. >> police officers are sick and tired of being faced with angry, violent, horrible people abusing them. >> and they're only they're doing their job. and the reason why i want to see them back on

their streets now is this is 2.5 hours ago, i wasn't a bad looking guy here. >> oh, sorry. >> oh, sorry. >> that's the eye there. >> that's the eye there. >> yeah. i went to buy some chicken at waitrose , there was a chicken at waitrose, there was a prolific shoplifter that last week put a bottle across the head of a security guard . head of a security guard. >> today, i happen to be in the store. >> i nicked him, he gave me a right hander. >> i was out on the deck, got up , and i nicked him. >> and the point i'm making is this is. that's where the public want to see the police walking the streets, listening to their concerns , dealing with crime and concerns, dealing with crime and reassuring shoplifters. >> it shouldn't be down to people like me. >> retired police officers , >> retired police officers, members of the public actually doing the job of the police . doing the job of the police. >> and i'm still one of their family. so my point is, enough's enough. >> stop your shouting. >> stop your shouting. >> you're demonstrating your anger ness and allow the police to get out and do the jobs that they join the job to do, and they join the job to do, and they really want to do, rather than every week having their

leave cancelled just to stand there to get abused, by often tens of thousands of these angry demonstrators. >> okay. i'm sorry to hear about your face, norman. sorry about that. but well done in what you did. like peter edwards. is it time to shut down this woman? look, i know freedom of speech and all, but it's within the bounds. >> first of all, i'm very sorry to hear that, norman, was attacked while trying to apprehend a shoplifter. very unpleasant. >> well, the police were elsewhere, isn't it? probably. >> that's why, in terms of palestine process. yeah peaceful process is a part of democracy. my concern is perhaps the police have been a bit slow to clamp down on anti—semitic chanting. and i'm really, really worried, as i'm sure you are , about jews as i'm sure you are, about jews in london saying they feel parts of the capital have become no go areas. i'm not an expert on the law about this. a proposal to have the law changed from the campaign against anti—semitism . campaign against anti—semitism. but police are making very difficult, nuanced, operational decisions, and i think they could have been a bit tougher from the start for example, some of the slogans, particularly anti—semitic slogans , are anti—semitic slogans, are completely unacceptable. but we've got to be clear, that's not 100% of the protesters, but

nothing is 100. >> i mean, if you're in association with something that is bad and vile, just because you're not one of the bad and vile people, you're the fact that you're associated with it means that you become one of the bad and vile people. >> i think it's a bit more complex than that. >> i mean, i don't think so. it's a protest and there are some bad people on this protest. >> several thousand people have taken part in these over many, many weekends, ranging from pacifistes to, left wing activists, people who aren't politically aligned. i believe some quakers as well. we can all be anxious and horrified about anti—semitism, but recognise that people protesting is not just one lump of people. they come from different walks of life with different. >> well, they might do, but if you are joining a protest, this is not like saying, oh, black people, we don't all think the same thing and do this. this is people who've got together on one aim, which is within a protest, and they are showing their virtue there. let's go to neil and christine hamilton, neil. christine, what do you make of this? is it time for them to shut down? because people will go on about freedom

of speech, freedom of speech. but we are within a democracy and it does have limits. >> yeah, well, freedom of speech is all well and good, but what we're seeing on our streets is actually now amounting, i think, to a public nuisance. >> and as you rightly said in your introduction, we cannot have the centre of our capital city week in and week out, brought to a standstill by the agitprop organisers of these marches. >> i don't think peter would like it if there was a demonstration outside his house every saturday, so that he couldn't go about his lawful business, going into and out of his house. >> and this is just something like that writ large over the whole of our capital city. >> so it's got to be a question of proportion. >> each thing can have their demonstrations, but not absolutely every week and not in such numbers. the numbers themselves, i think, are intimidating. and that's why lots of jewish people will not now go into the centre of london on a saturday. and i think that's disgraceful. state of affairs. >> christine . >> christine. >> christine. >> well, i would like i mean, of course they should be stopped , course they should be stopped, and any right has a concomitant

responsibility and the responsibility and the responsibility to allow other londoners to do their business, etc. but i want to widen this slightly and take people back to how this all began on the 7th of october, when hamas raided that peace loving music festival, and in particular, and i posted this on twitter a couple of hours ago. >> there is a horrendous video of a young girl called na'ama levy, who was grabbed by hamas. she was raped. >> she had her heels slashed so that she couldn't run away. >> she was handcuffed and the video shows her being bundled into a truck and driven away. she has now been a hostage for 225 days. she may be dead. >> that is how it all started. >> that is how it all started. >> why aren't these people in london shouting free the hostages, free the hostages? let's go back to the beginning and let's start at the beginning and let's start at the beginning and free the hostages. >> yes, of course, we've all had enough of these marches. >> it is ridiculous. >> it is ridiculous. >> and it's cocking a snook at normal, decent londoners. yes, some of the people on the

marches are normal, decent londoners. >> but by joining that march , >> but by joining that march, they join the other side. >> exactly . yeah. please. >> exactly. yeah. please. norman. yeah. norman norman. no no. yeah. >> no no no no no i have absolutely no problems with people protesting for what they want . want. >> i'm britain's leading knife campaigner, and i see the devastation of knife day in and day out. parents planning funerals instead of futures. >> i cannot go on the streets of london and break the law and abuse the police and deface, the caphal abuse the police and deface, the capital. establishments such as churches and banks . what i have churches and banks. what i have to do is do it the legal way and the right way. and what i want is these police officers to get back on the beat, get away from these demonstrations, and do the job that you and i and the pubuc job that you and i and the public expect and pay them to do. and let me tell you this, that's exactly what they want to do. so the longer they're there, they're accused of two tier policing, not caring enough, not going in strong enough. but what

the public just want is they want their police back on the streets. and if the police get back on their streets, nana, they'll start falling back in love with the police. they'll start supporting them and being reassured. that's what the pubuc reassured. that's what the public want. these demonstrations. you've said your piece now get back to where you are and let the police get back to where they were. >> okay, so, so then one word answer. >> then. is it time then to stop these pro—palestine protests? neil hamilton yes or no? absolutely yes. christine hamilton yes or no? yes >> and the police want to get back to serving all londoners, not just these protesters. >> no. >> no. >> norman brennan, yes or no? >> norman brennan, yes or no? >> yes. three words. yes. >> enough is enough. yeah. >> enough is enough. yeah. >> and, peter edwards is it time to stop these pro—palestine? >> in a word. but i want to see tougher policing and i want to see tougher action on anti—semitism. and i certainly don't want to see people salting. >> is that yes or no? is it time to stop them? yes or no? >> i'd rather see them policed in a stronger way. >> so no is the answer. >> an outright ban is not the answer. >> so no is the answer. is that yeah, but i'll choose to use my word. you just said yes. no.

well, i'm asking you yes or no? i'm asking for a decision. yes or no? >> an outright ban is not the answer. >> so that would be a no. i'll choose to use my own words. that would be a no. >> i'll choose to use my own words. so that's a no. >> all right. thank you very much peter edwards norman brennan, also the lovely christine hamilton. and also her husband, neil hamilton. thank you for joining husband, neil hamilton. thank you forjoining me. right. so what do you think is it time to ban pro—palestine protests? yes or no? it's as simple as that. right. we'll continue with the great british debate this hour. you'll hear the thoughts of my panel you'll hear the thoughts of my panel, nigel nelson and danny kelly. but first, let's get your latest news headlines with sam francis. >> very good evening to you . >> very good evening to you. it's just after 530. the headunes it's just after 530. the headlines this hour , a headlines this hour, a helicopter carrying the iranian president and his foreign minister has crashed as it was crossing a mountainous region in the north of the country. the aircraft suffered what's been described as a hard landing while returning from a visit to neighbouring azerbaijan. it's being reported the lives of both the president and the foreign minister are at risk, and rescue

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good afternoon. if you're just tuned in. welcome it's 41 minutes after 5:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. we're live on tv, onune channel. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. and it's online and on digital radio. and wsfime online and on digital radio. and it's time for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking , is it time to shut down pro—palestine protests ? after pro—palestine protests? after months of marches, they've been shutting down the capital and

other cities across the country. the metropolitan police in particular in london, are now coming under increasing pressure to get a grip and it's all of this as the home office is set to give them a new powers to take back control of our streets, which i suspect these rules will cover the rest of the country as well. so for the great british debate, this out, i'm asking, is it now time to shut down these pro—palestine protests? well, joining me now, gb news political commentator nigel nelson, also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. they're back . nigel nelson, is they're back. nigel nelson, is it time to shut these things down, for god's sake ? down, for god's sake? >> and i think you only shut down a protest if there is a threat to public safety. >> so this isn't a threat to pubuc >> so this isn't a threat to public safety? >> no, it's not really. they're not rioting. >> well, you're not jewish, are you, no . i mean, i appreciate you, no. i mean, i appreciate that that jews have found it difficult to be in central london when these protests have been going on. >> well, we've seen what happens when some of them do go there. >> well, we've seen we've seen one, one incident. >> no, i've seen a lot more than that. >> no. okay. the whole thing is that if somebody is behaving anti—semitic or supporting

terrorism, they should be arrested . and as far as i can arrested. and as far as i can see, the police are arresting them. what these things are not turning into is what you would call. well, not a riot. a riot would be a threat to the public, and they haven't actually turned into that. so this is the right to free speech. >> not now. >> not now. >> you're denying and i'm going to speak generally, but these protests are denying everyday londoners the opportunity just to go about their lives as they normally would do on a saturday. >> that was the strikers or any protesters, doesn't it? >> yeah, but it's been going on and on and on. >> it shows the war. >> it shows the war. >> yeah, but it's the futility of it as well. do you honestly think that protesting every saturday is going to change any government policy that israel dishes out ? it's the futility of dishes out? it's the futility of it, and it's the fact that it's disrupting londoners lives. now, i agree with you. everyone should be allowed to protest. i think just bang them in regent's park. have you protest in the park ? do what the hell you want. park? do what the hell you want. you're not going to disrupt thousands and thousands of people. and also it is a hostile

environment for jews. and the pro—palestinian people will say, hang on, we've got we've got a load of jews with placards ourselves , you know, they're on ourselves, you know, they're on ourselves, you know, they're on our side. and to them they're just useful jews . just useful jews. >> yeah. well, i mean, all i can say, say is that people must have a right to protest. >> what about the right just to go about your daily routine on june the 1st, tommy robinson has been given a permission by the metropolitan police to hold a protest that will start in victoria and end for one day in parliament for one day. >> it's not every weekend, not recurring saturday. listen, what's the problem? i actually like your suggestion that if they want to carry on recurring these protests, they can go to somewhere like a park, which is not fair for the people who would like to enjoy the park. but at least they're contained and businesses can get on with things. and then i think they should be charged. there should be a fee for them to be doing that. they should maybe have wristbands or something. they should all be charged at least £5 or something to even be there , because otherwise charge people. i think you can. i think you can. that's ridiculous. no, i think you can. >> this is a democracy and people must have the right to protest. >> you've got the right to protest. but the bottom line is,

whoever they are, you've got the right to protest because you do pay right to protest because you do pay for it. you're going to have to pay for the police protection for your protest. and that's what this would be about, because we cannot continue to stunt what is it, 20 million or whatever it is every weekend for this thing to go on? >> yeah, but but the but you didn't have to do that for every protest, wouldn't you? >> yeah. what's the problem? >> yeah. what's the problem? >> the problem is we live in democracy. >> you're you're getting confused with living in a democracy and being charged for the policing that you will require. policing is part of that democracy. >> yes. if there is a demonstration going on the police have a duty then to police have a duty then to police it at public expense. >> well, yes, at public expense. the public people who are at the protest, because they also have a job to look after people all across the country every saturday. >> so can you tell me of another protest that is a recurring feature? >> it's recurring. you need to start paying for protection. >> my point there is that the war has been going on. i mean, in the event the war had ended, can these protests would stop? >> no, danny, but can i just remind you that in football? >> yeah, yeah, the clubs pay for

it. >> exactly. yeah. that's right. they're paid for by the club. yeah, exactly. exactly so that's not a ridiculous idea at all. >> no, but that's not to pay fiver. >> ipsis. >> ipsis. >> no, no, i'm saying they should pay for the protest. this shows nothing without you and your views. let's welcome some of our great british voices. their opportunity to be on the show. tell us what they really think about the topics we're discussing. i've got four of you, so i need to be swift, right? lee webb in bedfordshire, what do you think? is it time to put an end to these protests? >> i totally disagree with, why they're protesting, but i think you've got to have that right to protest. i think that's very important basis. i protested before i was protesting four years ago against lockdowns, so what protest would you like to keep? what protests do you want to ban ? so that's why we've got to ban? so that's why we've got to ban? so that's why we've got to protect the right to protest. >> well, doesn't it depend if it's every single week and you're costing the taxpayer a lot of money? i mean, for goodness sake, there's got to be a line. you can't just protest forever. brian dougans. >> well, i mean, as someone has said, the war is still going on. >> it's your chief correspondent , i believe, who'sjust >> it's your chief correspondent , i believe, who's just pointed that out. >> that's why people are protesting. nana so it's not

like they're, that this is just in a vacuum, and they're just protesting for the sake of the war is still going on. >> that's what they're protesting against. >> yeah, yeah, we get it. >> yeah, yeah, we get it. >> and we can't get into a point of, pick and choose whereby some, some marches are allowed to protest and some, some aren't , to protest and some, some aren't i , to protest and some, some aren't , i mean, this is we do have the right to protest and they're exercising that. >> right. >> right. >> and i don't see anything wrong with it. >> unless, of course, unless of course, you're jewish and you happen to want to. well, you happen to want to. well, you happen to want to. well, you happen to live in that area that there are jews taking part in there are jews taking part in the march. >> and danny's comment about useless, useful jews was out of order. >> do you think so , maybe i do. >> do you think so, maybe i do. you think that's out of order? okay, danny, you've been. you've been told off. dan. brian. >> i disagree with him. >> i disagree with him. >> dan. brian in hull. >> dan. brian in hull. >> hello. i think the government would like nothing better than to be able to shut down protests in this country. any protests, it's what they're aiming for. they also want to digital id everybody so they can see track. everybody's movements. they're

using this kind of thing. they will use this kind of thing to bnng will use this kind of thing to bring this in because we'll all want it. >> but i agree with the sentiment that no protests should be shut down, really, even though i disagree with them completely , it's only when it completely, it's only when it starts to threaten violence . starts to threaten violence. like if they're threatening jihad or something, then that's when the police should really step in and control it. >> but i like your idea of them having a separate area for them to go to do it. >> that's a good idea. separate area, and potentially the people who are organising it should pay for it. somebody should pay for this and it shouldn't be the taxpayer. finally, to you, john, read briefly. >> yes. nana briefly . read briefly. >> yes. nana briefly. i'm with nigel on this. i think you and danny are bullying him a bit. we live in a democracy. the democracy allows people to have free speech. >> and that's what i've had all my life. >> so i'm 100% with allowing it to continue with the one proviso thatis to continue with the one proviso that is done legally. >> that's all. okay >> that's all. okay >> well, thank you very much. lee webb, brian dugan, dan, bnan lee webb, brian dugan, dan, brian and john reid and yes, of course, apologies to anyone who was offended by danny's comment regarding the i think, you know,

ihear regarding the i think, you know, i hear what he means by that. but coming up with the debate, ex—chancellor nadhim zahawi said that the tory party were wrong to oust boris johnson. don't go

good afternoon. this is gb news. it's time now for supplements sunday, where i asked my panel some of the other stories that caught their eye. but before i do that, what nadhim zahawi said that it was a mistake to get boris. get rid of boris. was he right. i think he was wrong that bons right. i think he was wrong that boris was his history. now, there's no question about in coming back and he made so many mistakes towards the end of his premiership. he had to go. >> danny kelly a massive mistake. of course it was . yeah. mistake. of course it was. yeah. i mean i said that at the start, like turkeys voting for christmas. you know, all of the conservative mps ganging up on him because they were corralled into a corner, backed into a corner saying, how can you morally support this guy? oh, i see what you mean. i can't get him out. >> i know it was silly. all

right, danny, your supplement time supplement. >> right then. wish you were here. the taliban no less. i may have to just nip off to the high street in birmingham and get a burka for mrs. kelly. wish you were here. the taliban have launched afghanistan as a houday launched afghanistan as a holiday destination. do you fancy? you fancy a trip to kabul ? i think we'll take the wives. >> i've been to kabul, and i don't think i want to go back there again. no. >> do you fancy a getaway? >> do you fancy a getaway? >> no. >> no. >> thank you. in kabul, we can go along anyway. the taliban have launched it, with men getting trained up in hospitality. not women, of course . they're not going to course. they're not going to allow the women to get involved with it anyway. it's a it's a fun little story. go to kabul for a fortnight. >> nigel nelson. >> nigel nelson. >> it's the full english, are making a comeback . so this is making a comeback. so this is from the english breakfast society. and what they're saying is that the traditional full engush is that the traditional full english breakfast is now very popular abroad. their website now gets a third of hits from from other countries. so fry up. what we need now is for america to get decent british bacon. >> and my one here was this interesting story about barista wigs. and apparently they're

culturally insensitive . they're culturally insensitive. they're going to get rid of that. i think there's some because, you know, people with afro hair, you know, people with afro hair, you know, would struggle to get the wig on. >> and it's a white wig, isn't it. >> it's a white wig as well. horse hair. i was going to say horse. >> yeah. old nag hair. >> yeah. old nag hair. >> it's an old tradition and i rather, i rather like some of my traditions. >> i think you should keep them anyway. well, let's see what you thought of that. get in touch. but on today's show, i've been asking, would you trust labour with the nhs? and according to our twitter poll, 13% of you say yes. 87% of you say no. and also i asked you, is it time to shut down pro—palestine protests? 91% of you are with me. say yes, 9% of you are with me. say yes, 9% of you are with me. say yes, 9% of you say no. exactly. my sentiments . right. well, listen, sentiments. right. well, listen, thank you so much to my guests. senior gb news political commentator nigel nelson. nigel, thank you very much . and also thank you very much. and also broadcaster and journalist, danny kelly. danny kelly, thank you so much as well. thank you very much. and a huge thank you to you at home for your company for joining me. next up it's forjoining me. next up it's neil oliver. i'll see you next week. same time same place. don't forget you can download

the gb news app or why not stream the show live on youtube? i'll leave you with the weather. have a fabulous week. take care! glory . glory. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers. sponsors of weather on gb news news. >> hello! welcome to your gb news weather update from the met office for the rest of today. we've still got some warm sunshine on offer. the risk of the odd shower but feeling cooler. in the east we've got a ridge of high pressure extending out towards the west that's bringing in the settled conditions through much of today with light winds, as indicated by the isobars. otherwise, plenty of late evening sunshine on offer today. any showers across southwestern parts of scotland and cumbria fading away into the evening. otherwise we've got a return of low cloud coming in from the north sea and

pushing its way further towards the west. clearer skies are further the west you go, but low cloud, mist and fog perhaps developing across northern ireland. temperatures around 10 or 11 but feeling cooler underneath the clearer skies. so quite a murky start on monday morning, especially further east that you go so across scotland , that you go so across scotland, northeastern coast as well, holding a lot of low cloud, mist and fog. but further the west, bright skies to start the day. northern ireland like i said, some low cloud , mist and fog some low cloud, mist and fog should lift and break and then low cloud really lingering across a part of the southeast . across a part of the southeast. brighter skies further to the west you go and dry to so through the rest of monday morning, low cloud, mist and fog should start lifting, breaking and burning its way back to coastline might be a little bit slower than what we've seen on tuesday for today, but otherwise plenty of sunny spells on offer. the risk of some heavy showers, especially across western parts of northern ireland. elsewhere

feeling perhaps a little bit cooler than what we saw on the weekend. but otherwise it's still feeling warm in the sunshine as we go through the rest of monday evening. any cloud generally breaking away. still, with the risk of some heavy showers across western parts of northern ireland and perhaps developing across the south two otherwise tuesday, wednesday and thursday turning unsettled, showers or perhaps some longer spells of rain . some longer spells of rain. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers . sponsors of boxt boilers. sponsors of weather on

good evening, fellow travellers. welcome to the neil oliver show on gb news tv online and on your radio sets. this week i'll be taking a look at the scottish covid 19 inquiry and asking what is actually being revealed there. i'll also be talking to a lady whose brother died during the pandemic, and who has given evidence as part of the inquiry. on monday , a final high court on monday, a final high court judgement takes place regarding juuan judgement takes place regarding julian assange's appeal. will he be extradited to the us? all of that, plus plenty of discussion and opinion from my panellist, journalist and presenter jasmine birtles. but first of all, an update on the news headlines . update on the news headlines. >> very good evening to you . >> very good evening to you. it's just after 6:00. i'm sam francis, the latest from the

newsroom this hour.