sunak says eu to austria, rishi sunak says eu countries are starting to recognise places like rwanda are essential in tackling the problem, with 15 states calling on the european commission to tighten migration policy. speaking exclusively to gb news, the prime minister says the numbers prove progress is being made in stopping small boats and thousands of illegal migrants are being returned to other countries. >> the numbers are down by around a third. they were down by around a third last calendar year as well. so we are making progress . and just this year, in progress. and just this year, in fact, we have returned 10,000 people back to other countries. that's 2000 people more than we did last year. so that shows a progress we're making and including within that are 1700 foreign national offenders. again, 400 more than last year. so yes , we are making progress. so yes, we are making progress. of course, there's more to do. i've been very clear that i won't stop until we have stopped the boats . the boats. >> meanwhile, the former immigration minister has

criticised the foreign secretary for his apparent stance on controlling migration . controlling migration. >> i preferred the former version of david cameron when he was prime minister, and he set our manifesto at reducing illegal migration to the tens of thousands and along with nick clegg, he scrapped the graduate route. so i'm disappointed if he's now campaigning to stop us from controlling migration and reducing the number of students coming into the country in this way. >> and you can see that full interview with the former immigration minister robert jenrick on patrick christys tonight. in other news, the government documents have revealed that people living with hiv as a result of the infected blood scandal could receive more than £2 million in compensation. it comes as the interim compensation payments of £210,000 will be given to infected blood victims for the most urgent cases, while the final scheme becomes operational since the 1970s. 30,000 people

were infected with hiv and hepatitis through contaminated blood products and transfusions . blood products and transfusions. around 3000 have since died . and around 3000 have since died. and for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news .com/ alerts. now it's back to . nigel. it's back to. nigel. >> good evening. so rishi sunak jets off to austria. a nice little country , albeit little country, albeit population smaller than the size of london, and he goes to meet the austrian chancellor to talk about the rwanda plan to tell us that actually we are leading the way. yes. the rest of europe is going to copy our great leadership because rwanda, two years on, has been such a huge success. we've spent over £140 million on the scheme. so far. one person has gone to rwanda. we had to bribe them with £3,000

in cash to make them go . but on in cash to make them go. but on the aeroplane where the press association and the daily mail and gb news, they were the only people invited. can you guess why.7 because they are probably the two most critical people of government policy on legal and illegal immigration. and i think he is terrified of the year's immigration figures that are going to come out this thursday . going to come out this thursday. now, whether they're as high as a 700,000 last year, we don't know. but i tell you what, they won't be the tens of thousands promised in successive conservative manifestos. but he also gave a piece of information that gb news as an exclusive . that gb news as an exclusive. here's the pm in austria earlier on today . on today. >> the numbers are down by around a third. they were down by around a third last calendar year as well. so we are making progress. and just this year, in fact, we have returned 10,000

people back to other countries. that's 2000 people more than we did last year. so that shows the progress we're making. and including within that are 1700 foreign national offenders. again, 400 more than last year. so yes , we are making progress. so yes, we are making progress. of course, there's more to do. i've been very clear that i won't stop until we have stopped the boats . the boats. >> i'm sick of this. i'm sick not just of the numbers. i'm sick not just of the change that it's putting on our country. i'm sick, actually. above all of the sheer dishonesty of the way that sunak tries to spin numbers, i really have just about had enough of this. the numbers are not down, prime minister. those crossing the english channel are up crossing the english channel are ”p by crossing the english channel are up by 20% this year. are you listening? and tomorrow , if listening? and tomorrow, if another 150 come, that will be 10,000. that will have crossed the english channel already this yeah the english channel already this year. and as for the deportation of 10,000 people who were here

illegally , and many of whom, of illegally, and many of whom, of course, are convicted criminals who've been sent back, let's have a look at the historic graph of british government deportations. you can see that in the time of the labour government, we were deporting up to 40,000 people every year who were here illegally and whose asylum claim was rejected. that's what the conservatives inherited from 2013, up until the start of the pandemic, that number fell . the number of those number fell. the number of those being deported fell by 82% to 8400. and here we are , a post 8400. and here we are, a post pandemic year, and we're just above what was considered to be an historic low. and we're supposed to believe that they're doing a good job. they are not. it is all spin. please do not believe a single word of what this man says. and just to show you what a mess this party are, can you believe even when he talks about student visas not

being a back door to immigration into britain? guess what he's opposed almost immediately by the foreign secretary , david the foreign secretary, david cameron, the home secretary, and a host of other cabinet ministers. they are split down the middle. they don't stand for a single thing. so when sunak tells you what is government policy, do you believe him? farage gb news. com i don't and i really am , as i say, i really am, as i say, absolutely sick to death of it . absolutely sick to death of it. we'll wait and see what the official legal immigration figures are this thursday. joining me down the line is professor azeem ibrahim, academic and author , and you academic and author, and you know, azeem, we've discussed this before . i know you think this before. i know you think the rwanda plan can work , but the rwanda plan can work, but the rwanda plan can work, but the idea that somehow we're giving leadership to the rest of europe is that really credible ? europe is that really credible? >> well, nigel, this is a very complicated situation . you know, complicated situation. you know, no country, no democracy has been able to tackle this problem

of illegal immigration, and a satisfactory manner. but the fact of the matter is, the uk is leading the way. we can take it from the austrian prime minister who described the rwanda scheme as a pioneering initiative . we as a pioneering initiative. we now have 15 european countries out of 29 that want to replicate the scheme. one way or another. many are looking at it and these aren't the usual kind of suspect countries. you know, you have countries. you know, you have countries like finland and denmark and even across the pond in the united states, you have trump, the trump administration also looking at a similar scheme. now, i've always held the belief that this is the only scheme that's going to work. everything else is a gimmick. the fact is, as i've indicated to you before, we are now entering into the age of migration and we will use huge population increases across the world, particularly in developing world. and if you do not provide those people with bafic not provide those people with basic necessities , they will basic necessities, they will simply move. and the top destination is europe and the united kingdom. >> well, europe got this wrong

back in 2015, implementing their own asylum policy . and i stood own asylum policy. and i stood up in the parliament and told them again and again and again that if you allow people who who put one foot on eu soil, having crossed the med to stay, they will in millions have come. so i'm not surprised. the other european countries are desperate, but azeem, i'm going to take issue with you. there is one functioning, mature democracy in modern times that did completely halt illegal immigration. and that, of course, is australia . they course, is australia. they started off by saying that nobody that ever came via this route would ever be granted permanent leave to remain. they had a go at processing offshore before that, and then they just towed the boats back to indonesia. so come on, it can be done now. >> yeah. and the rwanda scheme is a very simple replication of that, maybe not to the same extent in terms of, not allowing anybody to set foot in the, in the uk. but the fact is, is that it's already having a deterrent effect. we've seen that in the case of northern ireland and the

repubuc case of northern ireland and the republic of ireland, you know, people are trying to get out of it and the fact of the matter is it and the fact of the matter is it may be expensive and you rightly point that out, is an extremely costly endeavour. but nigel, we are paying about £7 million a day for hotel bills . million a day for hotel bills. no, and that cost will be recouped, you know, may cost , recouped, you know, may cost, you have to look at the whole picture, you know, may cost 100 million, may cost 200 million. but that cost will be very quickly recouped. and you only have to execute the scheme, you know, literally for a matter of weeks before the, you know, nobody will be willing to pay people smugglers , you know, 5 to people smugglers, you know, 5 to ,15,000 to come across the logic of that. i completely get, i >> azeem, i completely get, i fear that our judges and the european court of human rights will stop it from happening. we'll see. but just very quickly, also under the rwanda package , we also have to take package, we also have to take people from rwanda, don't we, into our country, including people with severe mental illness . illness. >> those will be a very, very small number. and i've always said, you know, the fact is, is

that our asylum policy, the 1951 refugee convention, is no longer fit for purpose. it should be aimed exclusively at those that are genuinely being persecuted. those are fleeing genocide and war and not economic migrants, which is what we're essentially seeing. so taking a few from here or there is not going to make much of a difference. the fact is, this scheme has to work as the only possible way of making stopping these illegal boats. all right, well, we'll see what happens and we'll learn over the course of the summer whether it's going to work or not. >> i still have my doubts. azeem, thank you very much indeed, once again, forjoining us on gb news. i'm now joined by doctor omar hammoud gallego, fellow in political science at the london school of economics and formerly, of course, at the united nations high commissioner for refugees. omar, what did you make of this very odd trip to austria today from the prime minister >> well, i think the prime minister was trying to convince himself , minister was trying to convince himself, rather than, i think

that's definitely to be to be said. now, look, the prime minister clearly is trying to sell something. it's an electoral period. they're geanng electoral period. they're gearing up for the elections in the uk and of course, the european union, the same is going to happen in a few weeks time. so we have the european elections taking place on june the 9th, including, you know, countries including austria are going to vote, and so everything that comes out of any european leader on migration until then, i would take it with a pinch of salt, i think it's all electioneering , and the fact is electioneering, and the fact is that if you look at, the plans that if you look at, the plans that they have, you know, they say they will replicate rwanda , say they will replicate rwanda, but that they don't say with which country. and, and of course, that's because it's very difficult to convince a democratic country to take in, individuals, because of course, there will be, some, people from, from those countries will effectively reject that. now we know that rwanda plan is inefficient. it will not deter individuals, i believe, it's extremely expensive . over half a

extremely expensive. over half a billion for just 300 people to be sent there in the first place. and of course, it's illegal, it goes against the european convention of human rights. so what should the eu instead do, the eu should focus on implementing the good things of the new, eu asylum pact, there is a new framework for the resettlement of refugees. so we'll see how that gets implemented, but there are also some things that i think are generally scary, for instance , generally scary, for instance, the detention of children. and this is something that, countries that care about human rights should never, ever do. >> well, omar, that's i mean, look, you know, that's all well and good. by the way, i agree with you. i think the echr will make rwanda completely impossible. i do believe that it's one of the reasons i want to leave it, but that's a separate debate. but what are we to do? because unless we have some form of deterrent, then vast numbers will come into european countries, continue to come into european countries and fundamentally change the culture

of some of our cities in a way that makes them unrecognisable, that makes them unrecognisable, that politically and culturally just isn't acceptable . just isn't acceptable. >> jul i disagree with that. i think that , migration indeed think that, migration indeed leads to change, but if it's well managed, it can be a good change. and exactly those countries that you mentioned, such as australia and canada and the us, have indeed benefited from that diversity, and so has the uk. look at the face of the minister, look at, past home secretaries , in fact, you might secretaries, in fact, you might argue that they have, you know , argue that they have, you know, they, they, they forget that their own families have come into the country and then, basically, attack everyone who, is , is from a migratory is, is from a migratory background. then i think this is, incorrect what the uk should do. >> i we've never know. come on, be fair. be fair to this country. we've always been the most open. and i think through our relationship with the empire and then the commonwealth, i think we've been the most welcoming of all the countries in europe. and we had the best degree of integration up until

25 years ago. but when you see councillors getting elected screaming allahu akbar, pointing , saying, we're coming to get you, if that's diversity, i don't want it. >> no, look, these are i would say exceptions because all of the migrants that are part of the migrants that are part of the democratic process, all of the democratic process, all of the people with a migratory background that are part of democratic process, such as rishi sunak himself, are indeed a success of integration, if you want. so if you focus on the individuals who have an integrated well, that's playing unfair. to be honest, i think the overwhelming majority that have come have indeed benefited. well, the as you say, it all depends on numbers. >> if it's a handful that refuse to integrate and want to impose their culture upon us, we haven't got a problem. if it's a growing number and moves to millions, it would be different. omar, as ever a delight to have you on the program. thank you. never let it be said that gb news do not allow all arguments . news do not allow all arguments. and we do. and we let you at

home make your own minds up in a moment. there's been apparently a very big crackdown on grooming gangs. it sounds like good news. in a moment, we'll

i'll begin this segment, continuing with the immigration question. it's the what? the farage moment. tim. loughton. worthing conservative member of parliament. and actually a very good mp who asks good, tough questions and really cares about these issues. he was a couple of days ago before the home affairs committee. just have a listen to this exchange on the care workers. >> you quoted 120,000. what was the comparable figure in 2019? i don't think you gave us that. >> it didn't exist because care workers weren't eligible to use the skilled worker route, right. >> but so care workers couldn't bnng >> but so care workers couldn't bring any dependents. they couldn't they there was no route for care workers from from outside of the european union to

work in the uk. so how did those come, who did come? they had to have more than just a sponsored license from an employer. no >> prior to the changes in 20 2122, when care work was added to the skilled worker route, if you were outside of the european union, you could not come into the uk to work as a care worker because it wasn't on the what used to be called a tier two, worker. now, you may have come through some other routes, you may have come, for example, family reunification and then got a job in care. you could have come as a dependent of a student and got a job in care. but you couldn't come as a worker. >> you see, if you wonder why 1.2 million people, 1.2 million people from outside the uk settled in this country in the last year, for which we have full figures next year's figures coming up on thursday, there's another 120,000 for you that tim loughton didn't even know about because this government, it's this government that liberalised the immigration system in a way that has never been seen in

history. they did it for care workers. they did it for a whole number of categories. if you thought tony blair was about mass immigration, forget it. it's the british conservative party, especially in the time of bofis party, especially in the time of boris johnson , that opened the boris johnson, that opened the doors to the whole of the world. and that is why that is why so many brexit voters are absolutely furious. they voted for control. they voted for a reduction in numbers, not a massive increase. and you just think about it, you know, 2010 manifesto, 2015 manifesto, 2017 manifesto, 2015 manifesto, 2017 manifesto and so on. they promised us net migration of tens of thousands a year, net migration approaching three quarters of a million. when you think the 1.2 million settled, remember that many of those that left to give us the net figure were british. people have long standing, and therefore the sheer level of demographic change that is going on is just beyond comprehension. in fact, in 2022 and 2023, more people

settled in this country than came from the norman invasion. up came from the norman invasion. up until 2010, the advent of this conservative government it's almost beyond belief . but it's almost beyond belief. but it's not. it's true. sticking with conservatives . and by the with conservatives. and by the way, i'm a fan of tim loughton sticking with conservatives. another what the farage moment is. the city minister, bim afolami, and he has said that britain should not give china the cold shoulder because of its banks and financial institutions were simply too large to ignore. yes, it would be a real mistake. a real mistake if we allowed ourselves not to view china as the best of friends. oh yes, of course they'll cheat and they'll steal from us. and they'll behave terribly. and their human rights record is absolutely abominable . and it is a abominable. and it is a terrible, awful, ghastly regime. but that's okay, according to bim, because without them we might be the city might be a

little bit poorer. tells you all you need to know now. something very odd happened at the end of last week. i told you all that the tric awards and the category that i'm in as news presenter closed at 5:00 on friday. it's now been extended. they've extended it until tomorrow. what on earth is going on? do they not like the results that they've seen? are they perhaps giving some other candidates a chance to catch up? well, remember, you know, go to tric.org poll tric.org. and if you haven't voted for me yet please do so again. poll tric award .uk . we'll see what award .uk. we'll see what happens. i'll tell you what they would not want me to win again. now would they? okay, let's get to the whole thorny issue of grooming gangs. a dedicated police task force was set up to work with police forces around

the country . and we're told that the country. and we're told that across england and wales, it's been really good news because in the last year, 550 suspects have been arrested. it sounds impressive , but then the scale impressive, but then the scale of the problem is really rather large. i'm joined down the line by david greenwood. child abuse solicitor. david. good evening. welcome to the programme. and is this progress ? this progress? >> it is definitely progress . >> it is definitely progress. yes, before all this, grooming gangs task force, we had 43 different police authorities around the country doing their own thing , what has happened is own thing, what has happened is that they have taken a lead from the national crime agency, and what they learned , in their what they learned, in their investigations, particularly in rotherham , because they pumped a rotherham, because they pumped a lot of money into the national crime investigation there and have disseminated that information out to different forces who now have their their

own dedicated departments to deal with grooming gangs. yeah so it's it really is progress. yeah. yeah >> it looks on paper like it is progress. but could it be that the problem? i mean, i know you were directly involved with the horrendous rotherham case, one that actually shocked the world. you know, it made news in australia, america everywhere. could it be that the numbers being arrested are going up? because the scale of the problem is getting worse . is getting worse. >> you are right. yeah. the 550 is appears to be an impressive figure, and it does it does take a lot of background work to even arrest one person. you've got to have a reasonable suspicion. you've got to do your homework and find out, you know, all the information and evidence against that person. so 550 is a lot, but you are right. there are thousands of unarrested , thousands of unarrested, suspects still out there who have , in their miserable pasts, have, in their miserable pasts, done this to young girls in the back of cars or wherever they do

it , and to get back of cars or wherever they do it, and to get to back of cars or wherever they do it , and to get to the back of cars or wherever they do it, and to get to the sort of thorniest part of this, david, when we saw the numbers from rotherham , we were shocked by rotherham, we were shocked by the number of young girls that were involved , and we were were involved, and we were equally shocked that a huge majority came from one community. >> they came from the pakistani community. was that unique to rotherham , or is that the same rotherham, or is that the same pattern that we see across the rest of england and wales ? rest of england and wales? >> well, i don't think you see it across the rest of england and wales. there are many white males being arrested for the same types of offences. but what you have in the north and mill towns is , disaffected young men towns is, disaffected young men of different ethnic origins, whether it be pakistani or or whatever background they're from. segregated from society educationally, socially , and in educationally, socially, and in terms of, wealth and jobs etc,

and it's, it's not surprising that they, will, not turn out to be the, the best examples of our youth or young men, but there are white, white grooming gangs out there also . it really out there also. it really depends on the, where you are in the country. >> yeah, i take that point. i was just making reference to the nonh was just making reference to the north in particular, and yeah, that particular problem with that particular problem with that community. david, well done for the great work you've done on this issue. and thanks for coming on and discussing this. well, as i say, it looks like progress on the face of it, but maybe what we're seeing is just a symptom of a very, very big problem. and what happened in rotherham, what has happened elsewhere, certainly in rotherham, was a direct failure, a direct failure of integration, a direct failure of integration, a direct failure of integration, a direct failure, some would argue, even of multiculturalism in a moment. tough times for israel on the international

scene as the international criminal court issued an arrest warrant not just for the leader of hamas, but for the elected prime minister of israel, benjamin netanyahu. it seems that israel are in a very, very difficult position and that everyone has forgotten the horrors, the atrocities of what happened

the level of disrespect, even abuse that is now being shown to israel is reaching astonishing proportions. i mean, can you believe that the united nations security council met and they stood up? let's have a look at these clips. so here we are. they're all standing up at the un security council to have a minute's silence after the death of the iranian president, raisi. and they're all standing up. we're standing up. oh of course

we're standing up rigid to attention. the americans are standing up rigid to attention. the french, of course, they're there as well. and remember, these are the same governments, same representative of governments that have been doing the deals with iran over the course of the last few years. this wonderful idea that president obama had supported, of course, by boris johnson , of course, by boris johnson, supported, of course, by david cameron, that somehow we could tame iran and we got rid of sanctions, we freed up the money which they used to spread terrorism, that i thought was an extraordinary thing for a british ambassador to the un to do. and it was a real kick in the teeth for israel. israel's ambassador to the un, gilad erdan, responded, i think very powerfully later on yesterday, just this morning, you held a moment of silence to commemorate the mass murdering president of iran. >> he is responsible for butchering thousands around the globe . thousands. this is who globe. thousands. this is who the security council dedicates a

moment of silence to a terrorist, a man who murdered , terrorist, a man who murdered, oppressed and imprisoned so many. how can it be that your list of moral priorities is so distorted ? and this council, distorted? and this council, which has done nothing , nothing which has done nothing, nothing to advance the release of our hostages, comes , narrates the hostages, comes, narrates the man responsible for their suffering . what's next? will the suffering. what's next? will the council hold a moment of silence for bin laden? will there be a vigil for hitler? >> well, there you are. very powerful words. he did say. he did say, mr erdan, that that the butcher of tehran was responsible for thousands of deaths around the world. he was also responsible for many, many thousands of executions that took place within iran itself, a pretty brutal stuff. well, to addinqu pretty brutal stuff. well, to add insult to injury , yesterday, add insult to injury, yesterday, the international criminal court issued arrest warrants not just

for the leader of hamas, but for the leader of the only elected country in that region of the world. yep, the israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu. rishi sunak did respond. i thought very sensibly to it by saying there is no moral equivalence between a terrorist organisation and the prime minister of a country that is going after those terrorists to try and stop october the 7th from happening again. and yes, of course , there are civilian of course, there are civilian deaths in gaza, and it is deeply regrettable and unfortunate, but i'm afraid that's what happens in all forms of war. but the reaction from david lammy, the shadow foreign secretary to the icc arrest warrant, needs listening to labour's position. >> is that the decision by the international criminal court chief prosecutor to apply for arrest warrants is an independent matter for the court and the prosecutor and labour believes that the uk and all parties to the rome statute have a legal obligation to comply

with orders and warrants issued by the court. democracies who believe in the rule of law must submit themselves to it. >> well, david lammy saying that i'm not surprised. after all, the labour party do not want to lose any more votes to george galloway or the green party or whoever else it may be, and we saw some of that in the local elections . saw some of that in the local elections. i'm joined in the studio by natasha hausdorf, barrister at six pump court chambers and director of uk lawyers for israel. what an extraordinary cat . log of events extraordinary cat. log of events in the course of the last 48 hours. >> indeed, and i think the real tragedy here, and one of the key casualties, is the rule of law that we just heard being referred to. what we've seen is a campaign of lawfare across various international legal organisations , not just the organisations, not just the international criminal court, but we've seen a great deal of this sort of activity at the international court of justice. the un's highest court, and at other un bodies and institutions , as the un human rights council

is a case in point. and of course, you've referred to the security council. but in the context of this application, we have seen by prosecutor khan for arrest warrants, if they are in fact issued. i anticipate that the international backlash will be severe, and particularly from the united states on the back of the united states on the back of the comments we've seen coming from the administration thus far, yes . far, yes. >> i mean, the biden administration have been somewhat equivocal over the events in gaza. but i think on this i think you're right. i think on this and biden has already said some, some fairly at least, i think, sensible things. but do you not get the feeling internationally that israel is now becoming pretty much a pariah state, running out of friends quickly? >> well, that is the intention behind the parties, i think, fuelling these lawfare initiatives . and i should be initiatives. and i should be clear that i think lawfare needs to be called out as an abuse of international law, in particular international law, in particular in these contexts. i think it threatens international legal order. and if david lammy and others, especially here in the uk as a state party to the rome

statute, as a member of the international criminal court, really care about the impact these developments will have on law abiding states. we need to be clear about calling lawfare out in the context of these recent developments. while the intention is to create israel as a pariah state, i think right thinking individuals around the world look at the facts, look at the realities of the law, and hopefully see through these politicised initiatives. >> maybe the voting for the eurovision song contest rather proved that point in this country, with the british public put israel top. so i mean, there is something there clearly in what you say, coming back to this country for a moment, big march , of course. last saturday march, of course. last saturday in london, infettata being chanted in the streets of london, but we're told this week it's all going to change. you know, the home secretary, james cleverly, we're going to crack down on these marches in a way we haven't before. big speech today by michael gove talking about anti—semitism , is this a about anti—semitism, is this a sign that the government are

really beginning to wake up to this and to become robust, or should they have done this six months ago? >> i think the concern here is we've seen a degree of flip flopping over the last 6 or 7 months, it's significant that today we had a decision from, i believe, the court, the netherlands. yeah, signifying that from the to river the sea is incitement to hate. of course, we've had a former home secretary clear that this is a genocidal chant, and it remains at the centre of the marches that you've been describing. >> what do we do? what do the police do? >> well, they should be using the powers that they already have in to , order better police have in to, order better police the lawbreaking that we are witnessing, which has been continuing on a on an almost weekly basis along the last seven months. i mean , it's seven months. i mean, it's undeniable that that level of incitement has been contributing not just to the international discourse , but also to the way discourse, but also to the way that the media has been covering this . and it's almost a vicious cycle. >> one's fuelling the other, the way that jewish people are being treated now at universities. i

had an example of a friend whose daughter is having a really difficult time in year one at university. vie. yeah, i mean, it is it is very difficult. i spent 20 years in brussels , in spent 20 years in brussels, in strasbourg, in the european parliament, travelling between the two, and i watched in brussels as jewish people literally left the city. the only jewish people left were rich people living in gated communities where they had security . i communities where they had security. i used communities where they had security . i used to walk in security. i used to walk in strasbourg into the european parliament through a jewish area, predominantly jewish area of strasbourg and see soldiers with guns escorting young kids into their primary schools for protection. are we in danger in london, in particular, of seeing an exodus of jewish people saying, this is just not a place that we want to live anymore? >> i think the question is, where would they go other than israel? because we're seeing this replicated all over the world. i've just today come back from australia, and the time that i spent in sydney and

melbourne in particular, the same, left me with the same , same, left me with the same, unfortunate impressions and communities all over the world are facing the same challenges and there are very few governments. they are few and far between that have been willing to address this robustly willing to address this robustly willing to address this robustly willing to protect the vulnerable in this equation and ensure that the balance between freedom of speech, which is sacrosanct. yeah, and against incitement to violence, racial hatred and, and increasingly we're seeing that cross over from speech to violent acts as a result of, i think, the failure to be robust in those respects . to be robust in those respects. >> yeah. and that's my feeling that all these statements from big cabinet ministers this week should have happened six months ago. natasha hausdorf, thank you very much indeed forjoining me on the program here on gb news. well would you adam and eve, it apparently the government are going to set up job boot camps. gosh, that sounds tough , doesn't gosh, that sounds tough, doesn't it? it couldn't possibly be as a general election this year,

could it?

ina in a speech today to business leaders, the work and pensions secretary, mel stride talked about the huge opportunity to fill vacancies with unemployed brits. stricter visa rules, reducing businesses dependence on overseas labour and he forecast a decrease in legal migration. so basically , we've migration. so basically, we've got to get all those people we've allowed not to work who we pay we've allowed not to work who we pay not to work, whose numbers have exploded since the pandemic. we've got to get them back to work. well yes. mel stride, i agree with that 100. i think we've been far too soft to allow so many to take that option. but then he goes on to talk about the fact we've got a chronic shortage of hgv drivers and many other skills. so he's talking about setting up boot camps and job training schemes. now this is, i think, a wilful

mis use of the word boot camps. boot camps sort of brings about the short, sharp shock that we used to have for young offenders back in the 1970s, and this would be nothing like a boot camp. it's a very emotive word, but they are talking about having training centres, about encouraging people to upskill. i have to say, personally, i think this should be happening at school from the age of about 15. i think so many people that go to university would be far better off learning engineering or whatever ever other skill it was. but is this better late than never? or are so many of those who've opted not to work? frankly, in a situation where they've given up and don't care well, who better to get on this than nick buckley, charity worker, independent candidate for mayor of manchester and a friend of this program. nick, you know, i get what mel stride

saying. of course i do. but but when someone gets to the stage where they're happy for the doctor to sign them off, you know, i've got depression, doc. oh, that's okay, matey. you haven't got to work for the rest of your life. the government will give you money if you've got to that mental frame of mind. we are prepared to accept that as your future. is this sort of carrot . and that's what sort of carrot. and that's what it is, this carrot of learning a skill that could get you a well—paid job. is it likely to have any impact, or do we need perhaps more of a stick than a carrot to solve this problem ? carrot to solve this problem? >> nigel, this is this is complicated . and this makes me complicated. and this makes me angry. really makes me angry. we've had a tory government for 14 years in power who have done nothing . and just before the nothing. and just before the election, where they're going to get destroyed and they decide to start throwing out fantastic sounding policies that should have implemented 14 years ago.

now, first of all, we can't blame people for picking options that were legal options that the government have put in place in front of them. now i know people who sign on benefits. i did this 35 years ago myself because it was the best option at the time. what governments don't understand is a certain things called pull factors and push factors. so a pull factor in this scenario would be better wages . and how do we get better wages. and how do we get better wages. and how do we get better wages. it's reducing immigration. and there's also things then called push factors. so we need to push people off benefits. but you can't push people off benefits into a life that's worse for them. the government have created not just this government but this. they've done a lot of damage. this has been going on for 50, 60 years where we've been treated , people in this country treated, people in this country like sheep and saying to them, keep your mouth shut, sit on benefits , watch coronation benefits, watch coronation

street and don't criticise us. and when you do, we'll give you a little bit more money and we're killing people in this country. we're ripping their self—respect away from them. we're ripping their aspirations all just so we can make government's life a little bit easier . eafien >> yeah. no, nick, i think there's a lot of truth in that. and as you say, this isn't just this government's fault. it's been going on for a long, long time. and when it comes to immigration, when it comes to upskilling, let's remind ourselves of what a former prime minister, gordon brown, once said . said. >> a world leader in science, a world leader in financial and business services, a world leader in energy and the environment, from nuclear to renewables, a world leader in the creative industries and yes, a world leader in modern manufacturing, too. >> drawing on the talents of all to great british jobs for british workers . british workers. >> there we are, nick buckley, i'm going to love you and leave you on that. thank you. we've heard it all before. nothing's changed yet. i doubt it's going to soon. it's complex, as you say. i'm joined in the studio by

devon gilani, director of policy and practice, a social policy analytics company and the architect of the universal credit scheme . now, you know, we credit scheme. now, you know, we spoke to nick there, who, you know, has done a lot of work in this area. i showed that clip of gordon brown. i couldn't resist it because really, what mel stride is saying today is pretty much the same. much the same thing. >> yeah. british nothing changes. >> actually, it gets worse. the number of people not in work , number of people not in work, especially through disability, you know, it was three times the number that it was back in the 19805. number that it was back in the 1980s. so it's mel stride right to say what he's saying. well, of course he is. but is it really going to happen? >> so i was at mel's speech this morning and i think i picked up two really critical points. i think the first one was the introduction was from the british chambers of commerce. so they introduced it from the perspective of the businesses that they work with. they made two critical points. the first one is that british businesses struggle to engage with jobcentre plus. and actually it was great that the speech was at

a jobcentre. >> what a disconnect. >> what a disconnect. >> yeah, disconnect. sometimes between kind of the mechanisms to try and put people into jobs and what employers actually want and what employers actually want and need , and this kind of and need, and this kind of recognition of the fact that actually this loss of, the migrant route people who come here to work is going to be a huge challenge for british businesses , right? businesses, right? >> and that's going to affect economic growth. >> net migration was three quarters of a million last year. >> yes, i know, and it's coming down. and that's going to put pressure on business. but this is the british chambers of commerce this morning. right. so, right now they're they're coming here. they're filling a large number of jobs. they're going to be filling few fewer jobs in the future. right? i think, 300,000 or so fewer now , think, 300,000 or so fewer now, the question is, are british people able to the ones that are currently unemployed, currently not already working? are they able to take pick up that skills gap? and i think there are some really good things in mel stride speech.i really good things in mel stride speech. i think the first one being that, you know, boot camps or whatever you call them, the idea of picking up skills

quickly to get back into work. >> word wasn't it. >> word wasn't it. >> yeah, yeah, but but the principle of skilling people up quickly is great, right? the challenge i think, is we're not talking about like for like so we're not talking about migrants who are coming in here ready, really wanting to work as being comparable necessarily to people, perhaps, who are unemployed in a different part of the country, with a different kind of set of drivers, different age profile to do a different age profile to do a different set of set of jobs, and i think there's some real uncertainty, certainly from the questions that we're being asked today at the launch event about how how is this exactly the question you asked, how is this going to be any different? and i think i think a lot of what mel stride has done is steps in the right direction. you know, creating room for people who are disabled to take voluntary steps toward work or to, you know, again, get skilled up very quickly in roles. >> no, i'd love to see it happen. >> i'd to love see it happen. >> i'd to love see it happen. >> i'd to love see it happen. >> i make no bones about. >> i make no bones about. >> but we're not talking about like for like. i think that's the critical point to make here. >> one of the points about the disconnect between employers and

job centres is employers tell me they'll have ten interviews in midori. no one turns up okay, because they just say they've they've satisfied the job centre by saying, i secured an interview. >> so i had the opposite. actually, i heard that they were inundated with maybe poor quality applications. similar point, i guess, but they just had too many lots of applications, but they don't bother to turn up or just are not quite the right fit for the. and that's exactly the same point i was making, right? so we're talking about people who are perhaps coming over here ready, willing to a certain extent with the skills and profile to be able to take up that job immediately compared to perhaps people that are being heavily encouraged to apply for that role. and now i think doing everything you can to bridge that gap is absolutely right. and that's what mel stride is trying to do. but i do think it's not as straightforward as, as as i was making out final quick thought on this, one of the reasons for the lack of skills is we direct far too many kids to academic studies, to all sorts of social sciences . sorts of social sciences. >> shouldn't we be teaching training on jobs and skills from the age of 15 at school, i got

that. >> i don't know if you got. i'm sure you got that right from a long time ago. >> yeah, absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> i remember my first job in work experience, being a natwest bank, but we're not doing enough of it. i think we're doing well. i think we're perhaps we certainly should be doing more. and i think taking that first job as early as possible will make a huge difference. it's very important when i'm an employer, right. so, seeing someone that started on the cv, if they started work at 16, that makes it it looks good or kind of whatever they were doing right as a student, it makes difference. >> pleasure to have you. thanks. >> pleasure to have you. thanks. >> now tonight there's a special show that jacob rees—mogg will introduce. it'll come up after the news. and it's a very, very powerful human story, incredibly powerful human story, incredibly powerful human story . that's it powerful human story. that's it from me tonight. i'm back with you live here @gbnews at 7 pm. tomorrow. before that, let's find out what the weather's like with annie shuttleworth. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb news.

weather on. gb news. >> hello. good evening. welcome to your latest gb news weather update. it's going to be another cooler day on wednesday with some very heavy and persistent rain. for some of us. we do have weather warnings in force for a large swathe of the uk throughout wednesday . that's as throughout wednesday. that's as this weather front approaches from the south and east wrapped around an area of low pressure through this evening, so some very heavy rain to come through this evening across southeastern areas of england in particular. we could also see some thunderstorms for the first few hours of this evening across the west as well. that rain will become more confined to the east coast just throughout tonight, and it will turn a little bit dner and it will turn a little bit drier elsewhere, but there will be a lot of cloud around by tomorrow morning, so it will be another fairly mild start to the day. but some drizzly rain will start to affect parts of the east coast just as that weather front starts to approach to the east coast of scotland could see quite a lot of low cloud around, but the north—west of scotland could see some brightness first thing, but that rain will arrive later on in the day. across northern ireland, some showery rain , but it's not expected to

rain, but it's not expected to be as heavy as it has been through today. but it's across parts of north wales, the midlands, north eastern england in particular, where the rain will be the heaviest first thing and that will continue to persist throughout the day. so as the day goes on, i think any impacts from the rain will become more likely as more weather warnings come into force . as that rain pushes up into scotland, we've got another weather warning in force for scotland. we could see up to 100mm, perhaps more , fall over 100mm, perhaps more, fall over the 24 hours between wednesday and thursday, particularly across parts of north wales into northern areas of england, so that could bring some major travel disruption and temperatures are going to be disappointing for the time of yean disappointing for the time of year, with plenty of cloud around . rain continues into around. rain continues into thursday, particularly across the north and west. it's this north area of wales where there's the most potential for some disruptive heavy rain, but it will turn more showery as the day goes on, and across the south it will start to turn a little bit brighter by the afternoon. a mix of showers as we head towards friday, and by saturday a chance of some sunshine and temperatures

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gb news. >> it's 8 pm. this is gb news in just a moment. a special edition of jacob rees—mogg. state of the nation. but first, your latest news. a former royal marine accused of spying for the hong kong intelligence service has died in unexplained circumstances in a park in berkshire. 37 year old matthew trickett was charged with offences under the national security act earlier this month. police officers were called to grenfell park in maidenhead at around 5:15 pm. on sunday. in a statement , around 5:15 pm. on sunday. in a statement, mr around 5:15 pm. on sunday. in a statement , mr trickett's family statement, mr trickett's family have asked for privacy while they mourn his death . a 73 year they mourn his death. a 73 year old british man has died after an aircraft was hit by severe turbulence on a flight from london heathrow to singapore.

the plane was forced to make an emergency landing in bangkok airport officials believe the man may have suffered a heart attack more than 50 people were hurt, seven of them critically. after sustaining head injuries. singapore airlines confirmed there were 18 crew and 211 passengers on board. 47 were from the uk . passengers on board. 47 were from the uk. in passengers on board. 47 were from the uk . in other news, the from the uk. in other news, the prime minister has addressed the issue of illegal migration dunng issue of illegal migration during a visit to austria. rishi sunak says eu countries are starting to recognise places like rwanda are essential in tackling the problem, with 15 states calling on the european commission to tighten migration policy. speaking exclusively to gb news, the prime minister says the numbers prove progress is being made in stopping small boats and thousands of illegal migrants are being returned to other countries . other countries. >> the numbers are down by around a third. they were down by around a third last calendar year as well. so we are making progress . and just this year, in progress. and just this year, in fact, we have returned 10,000

people back to other countries. that's 2000 people more than we did last year. so that shows the progress we're making and including within that are 1700 foreign national offenders. again 400 more than last year. so yes , we are making progress. so yes, we are making progress. of course, there's more to do. i've been very clear that i won't stop until we have stopped the boats . the boats. >> meanwhile, the former immigration minister has criticised the foreign secretary for his apparent stance on controlling migration in robert jenrick accused lord cameron of campaigning against scrapping the graduate visa route, which allows overseas students to stay in the uk for 2 or 3 years after graduation . it comes after the graduation. it comes after the government's migration advisers said the policy doesn't undermine the integrity and quality of the higher education system, and should remain . system, and should remain. >> i preferred the former version of david cameron when he was prime minister and he set our manifesto at reducing legal migration to the tens of

thousands and along with nick