r ,he , he took aim a short while ago, he took aim at the labour leader on the 5th of july. >> either keir starmer or i will be prime minister and he has shown time and time again that he will take the easy way out and do anything to get power. if he was happy to abandon all the promises that he made to become labour leader once he got the job, how can you know that he wouldn't do exactly the same thing if he were to become prime minister? we conservative have got a clear plan with bold action to secure our future board. so let's take that message and that vision of a secure future to every corner of our united kingdom. and let's show labour that the british people will never be taken for granted . granted. >> meanwhile, the labour leader, keir starmer, responded to the announcement, saying the election is the moment the country has been waiting for night. >> the prime minister has finally announced the next general election , a moment the general election, a moment the country needs and has been

waiting for . waiting for. >> and liberal democrats leader sir ed davey vowed to remove the tories from power across the country. >> people are crying out for change and this election is the chance to make that happen. in so many parts of the country , so many parts of the country, it's the liberal democrats who can beat the conservatives who have taken people for granted . have taken people for granted. >> in other news, nursery worker kate roughley has been sentenced to 14 years in prison for the manslaughter of a nine month old baby. she strapped genevieve meehan face down on a beanbag for more than an hour and a half at tiny toes nursery in stockport in may 2022. the 37 year old then failed to check on the distressed child and later found she was unresponsive . the found she was unresponsive. the former post office boss at the centre of the horizon it scandal, has admitted making mistakes during her time in charge. during a tearful

evidence session at the horizon inquiry. paula vennells insists she didn't know about the honzon she didn't know about the horizon system when she joined and that no one told her of any bugs. she's also denied any conspiracy to cover up the scandal and for the latest story, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts. now it's time for headliners . headliners. >> hello and welcome to headliners, your first look at thursday's newspapers. i'm simon evans, said . and i'm joined by evans, said. and i'm joined by recently, red pill josh howie and long—term black pilled nick dixon. that's what they say. >> is it true? >> is it true? >> is it true? >> i don't even know what we're talking about . talking about. >> i've had enough. >> i've had enough. >> well, i don't know. i mean, i've had some nurofen. >> it's like the right wing version of woke. >> okay. but what's the black

pill mean? >> black pills. just despair. you've gone past the red pill. >> you see, there's no point in anything. >> i'm not like that. i'm white pilled. i'm happy. people have tried to take me out. they can't. >> black pill is presented. is illustrated as the kind of drawn lots of bags under the eyes. >> always a fag going in the mouth. >> that's not you, is it? >> that's not you, is it? >> no, no, ijust >> that's not you, is it? >> no, no, i just i follow god at dawn. i can't be stopped. >> yeah, but you do look well, josh, you've shaved off your beard. it's taken years off you. >> how is it? yeah absolutely. well, you look well. >> you look very shaved your head. >> yeah. shaved my head behind my back. >> kingsley. mirrors. >> kingsley. mirrors. >> ben kingsley, sexy beast. >> ben kingsley, sexy beast. >> that's right. don't get me narky. >> i think i made a mistake, to be honest, but no, you look well. >> excellent. >> excellent. >> you look like arthur miller. >> you look like arthur miller. >> any marilyns out there? >> any marilyns out there? >> but he can't write. i got my marilyn anyway , i think we marilyn anyway, i think we probably can guess what's going to be on the front pages today, but let's have a quick scan, now is the moment for britain to choose its future, says a soaking wet rishi outside number 10. that's the daily mail. guardian. sunaks big gamble, and if they're talking about the weather, it failed. the

financial times. sunak bets on a july fourth election, a resonant date of course. the mirror drown and out a besotted the backs of his suit, their horrible savile row suit, although he doesn't pay row suit, although he doesn't pay vat. so i suppose he's all right. and finally, the metro sunak bets the house. and those were your front pages . so, as i were your front pages. so, as i say, a pretty uniform collection there. josh, we'll start with there. josh, we'll start with the telegraph. >> yes, sir. »- >> yes, sir. >> nick gambles on snap poll. and, this is all very exciting. we have six weeks of this stuff coming up, it was somewhat marred by, of course, the rain. >> as we can see there, no one thought to bring an umbrella or and things can only get better. >> being played in the background was quite amusing . background was quite amusing. quite. who did that? >> i think it was steve bray. >> i think it was steve bray. >> was it? i think it was dream. oh, sorry. you mean sorry? >> so this is, the interesting thing is the questions are why

they've wisely, of course , made they've wisely, of course, made that decision. >> and it seems to be the analysis on the telegraph that seems that makes sense to me. anyway, is number one is inflation is coming down to the lowest figure in three years. >> yeah, number two is that immigration is also seems to be coming down some of these, which we're going to be talking about some of these decisions are now making an impact. >> and also that the money that's going to need to be spent now on things like the blood scandal, means that there's no money in the budget . so it seems money in the budget. so it seems like they might as well do it now when there's some good news, rather than hold on a little bit longer, when there's probably going to be some more bad news. yeah. so that that seems to be the gist of it. the question with the inflation for me is even though that's obviously very encouraging, is the sort of drag time to real life impact on people, whether, you know, people, whether, you know, people are still seeing their mortgages when they're coming off their mortgages, they're still paying more, not going to feel rich. >> oh, it's not going to be a feel good factor between now and july or probably between now and november or now and probably ever again in this country.

>> yeah. i mean, look, the wetness has been much commented on. i mean, it was suitable for this government because it was an absolute shower and also because rishi is a total wet. so it made sense had he had someone like a flunky holding an umbrella, of course the narrative would have been rich. rishi gets someone to hold umbrellas. it is tricky. they probably went for this. it would have been penny mordaunt holding. it would have worked perfectly. i don't know why they didn't think of that. that would have been ideal on her cape. yeah, that would have been amazing. but so that was that was ridiculous and just pathetic. and you could barely. it's like a guy trying to you're like, i'm trying to listen to the song here. who's this guy talking over? i'm trying to listen to derek ream. >> anyway, he for some time has reminded me of the rat in flushed away. you know that the people aardman animations rat. >> no, but we'll say roland rat that was actually trending clearly is a rat of some sort. >> but anyway, flushed away rat actually gets soaking wet because he has to go through the sewer. so today it was kind of he really lent into the rat rat thing. >> you've made me even feel bad for him now. but i mean, look, so. but why now? i mean, there's a few possible answers as well. one, one, there's many reasons, but one, you can catch labour

off guard a little bit because they haven't even got their manifesto ready. they don't have any policies. no. and starmer says this is power returns to you, which i thought was kind of ironic given he's about to preside over the most radical quangocracy, the most radically unaccountable government we've ever seen, probably. but the other question is, are reform ready? you know, they're not ready. they've not got enough candidates yet. they need to sort their infrastructure and farage was saying today, earlier on this channel that he thinks it's a lot to do with him. he's gone earlier because he knows he's not ready or he thinks he's not ready. and farage is going to decide overnight what to do, which is very exciting. so there's a few points on that. >> so obviously reform are going to take votes away from the tories. but we've seen evidence in the local elections recently that the green party, which seems to be a not entirely ecologically focused entity at the moment, it's the muslim gender ideology party. yeah, might take votes away from the left. what do you think about that, josh? >> yeah, i think they they will. the question is if it's in the areas that the left is still strong enough to win. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> it's always about the numbers isn't it. let's move on to kenneth arrow. woman. let's move on to the remember that jonathan

rhys davies on question time shouting at caroline lucas about the fact that, you know, no election , no electoral system election, no electoral system ever produces an entirely , ever produces an entirely, accurate. yeah. he came into my mind again recently. it was all about whether we should welcome donald trump in in 2016. let's move on to the guardian. do they have anything to add to this? well. >> oh, sorry . yeah, i think i'll >> oh, sorry. yeah, i think i'll go one then the other. it's not quite all josh yet. i know there are some changes coming, but it's sunaks big gamble which is very similar. but, it's very similar. just the guardian , the similar. just the guardian, the angle. but it's not that guy. it's just basically the same thing. but one detail i could add, which we haven't heard yet, is that, gb's own christopher hope tweeted that some furious conservative mps tonight working on a plot to call off the general election by replacing sunak ezedi before parliament is dissolved next thursday. so imagine that you get in all your letters and you oust him and you call off the whole thing. i can't believe that would be allowed to happen because it would be such a bleep storm. but even by the tory standards, that would be absurd. i would imagine also undermine their own, you know, their legitimacy.

>> exactly. yeah, absolutely. yeah. >> even more going into election with the third unelected with your fingernails scraping along. >> yeah. but also the idea that like another leader would make a difference. >> i don't know if who who they get in. >> no churchill maybe would do it. >> i mean, the one thing somebody said this on, on twitter, which i thought was quite interesting that starmer, if he does come in, will be the first sort of not just post—war but post. there was a generation of prime ministers who were who had seen active service, who remember the second world war. and obviously they've long since been dead, but we've still had this feeling like there's a generation of tories, certainly, who remember that tradition of being a prime minister who had, you know, queen and country at heart and nod towards the church and some tradition . starmer and some tradition. starmer feels completely rootless from that point. was it tony blair? >> he never did any of that stuff. >> oh, he was quite christian, wasn't he? he was, i think you would. you would say not, though. you would say he. i'm just saying i just don't think he's the sort of far left. he's

not a watershed moment that people. no, no, i don't think he's a crank. i don't think he's a crank. i think he's a he's quite a pragmatist. he's a straw in the wind. that's the problem. >> well, this is this is going to be the moment of truth in that we're will see. >> he's sort of done and said a really everything he can to be in this position right now where we're kind of unsure about him, but we don't necessarily hate him or some people don't him anyway. >> tom. yeah, he he yeah. i mean, the question is, i mean, he used to write for socialist alternatives. he's a pabloite, which is a subset of trotskyism. so there's the hitchens claim that he actually is secretly, radically left. then there's the other claim that he's purging the radical left. he's much more of a blairite. and blair's written that leadership manual for him. so let's see, either way, the country is going to collapse. yes that's true, and we just have time to have a look at paula vennells. >> yes. so this is the other thing. the post office, former post office ceo , started her post office ceo, started her three day testimony today and, started crying when the families came up. it's hard to really

have sympathy for her. the also the i think the families were rightly still angry and didn't feel it was necessarily possibly authentic. >> but that's of course, for them to decide, do you think do you think she allowed the tears to come or even sort of urged them to come? >> i mean, it might also just be the pressure she's under and emotionally, whether she's genuinely crying for the loss of life, the loss of people's should be crying for her own. well, yeah. >> and whether she gets to keep her, yeah. >> what you can do now is the matt hancock just. oh, i'm just crying. i don't know if, you know, i'm clearly crying here. i mean, obviously i'm distraught. you just say you're crying. touch your eye. it works quite well as an old man gets vaccination. >> yeah. finally, we do have an interesting story on the front page of the financial times. >> finally, an interesting story. yeah. this is germany's far right afd in turmoil after lead candidate speaks up for ss. so i've only just been presented

with this one. i've been very much focused on the election, but. but what i can see is that it's not ideal when you're known as being a far right party to praise the ss, but his point was that it doesn't mean that there was a, that they were all criminals . was a, that they were all criminals. it was a, that they were all criminals . it says a was a, that they were all criminals. it says a high proportion of criminals in their in these units, but i wouldn't say it was someone was automatically a criminal because he wore the wrong uniform. so it's kind of like having a poster of hitler in your house. it's not ideal when you thought to be far anyway. but i will say on the flip side, jordan peterson has all that. >> oh yeah, that's soviet russian art in my toilet. >> yeah, but the flip side, of course, and i haven't looked into this one enough, is that they're desperate to cancel the afd no matter what, even though they are a legitimate party. >> i think it was quite interesting if you read into it. i think the point he was making, whether or not it's true, i don't know enough about the ss to know whether people could find themselves involved in it, but not be criminal, or whether it has been accepted that simply being a member was criminal. but clearly the point is making is not pro ss. it's more like people got sucked into it without knowing. so if anything, as a member of the afd, it would

be do you want? >> i mean, it's like i mean, they were made a criminal organisation obviously after the war, but the point about the ss that differentiates them from the german army in which you were subscripted to is that you were subscripted to is that you were a nazi, like a signed up, full blooded nazi. right? so it isn't like you you couldn't accidentally find yourself in the ss, but that would be so. >> if you're saying to be a nazi is criminal, that's fine, because there were millions of nazis. no, but i mean, beyond that, he's saying the enforcers of. have you committed a criminal act? well, the court has decided that being a member of the ss was a criminal act. so that's the end of it. yeah. so. but he's saying that for me isn't enough. >> well, he's i think he's trying to argue whether they committed criminal crimes in the camps or whatever. i mean, but it's like the, the morality police in, in iran or something. yeah. like you sign up not because you need to, you know, you sign up, you believe it. >> you know, as we say, somebody said, i mean , i'm just, you said, i mean, i'm just, you know, educating myself on gunter grass, who was a nobel prize winning novelist 1999, was a member . yeah, i think you could

member. yeah, i think you could argue that people were brainwashed , but, yeah, i mean, brainwashed, but, yeah, i mean, you can make that argument caught up in it. >> yeah, but still, i'm not. >> yeah, but still, i'm not. >> anyway, he has resigned in order not to become the story. so it's that's quite interesting, just from the point of view that the afd are developing some sort of media training skills. now. they're becoming sentient. would that be fair to say, i don't know, maybe they already were, but they're, it seems quite an interesting it's i mean , going over a little it's i mean, going over a little bit, but i just want to acknowledge that there is some, like, serious, right hard right action on the continent . action on the continent. >> isn't the holland getting the coalition government together? >> yeah. and marine le pen looking pretty strong, you know, andifs looking pretty strong, you know, and it's quite ironic that after brexit, britain is the only country which is about to swing massively to . massively to. >> we're going to have to rejoin to get with the populist revolution anyway. >> that's it for part, for part one. stay with us. for part two. in a couple of minutes, we'll have all the

and welcome back to headliners. i'm simon evans. still here with josh howie and nick dixon. and before we start on the news, a quick announcement. we're hosting a night with the headliners live. you can join us for an evening of stand up comedy with andrew doyle leo. curse myself , simon evans and curse myself, simon evans and josh howie here. for more information , scan the qr code information, scan the qr code that you can see on the screen right now. give you a moment to get out your phones and scan that or visit gb news. com. that will be a tremendously entertaining evening and i was asked to do it but wasn't available. it's a shame because you're a tremendous old stand up, but i've i've i've semi—retired. yeah. you could have limped out of retirement for that though. >> maybe maybe i don't have much stuff anymore, but thank you. well we'll crack on with these stories because we went over a bit there as we investigated the emergence of the hard right, josh, the daily mail, the first of a number of stories this evening that suggests a possible pre—election stiffening. >> indeed. see what i did there? i did see we did this, before

businesses recruiting new staff will have to hire british workers first under non—negotiable kerbs on migrant labour work. secretary says, this is mel stride and the work and pensions secretary. and this is obviously to cut down migration. we have to or in the past we've had to bring in do these visas, special visas for hospitality , vie for hospitality, vie for construction and care where we have gaps. and he's basically saying , you better, you you have saying, you better, you you have to hire british people now to do that. of course they would need to increase the wages . yeah, to increase the wages. yeah, and, just by saying you have to hire british people doesn't mean that british people are necessarily going to take those jobs. if they're low paid, if he's you know, he says at the end, he says, look, there's no reason why it's very hard at the moment to determine because normally in a labour market you 90, normally in a labour market you go, well, how many is it? >> unemployment high. if unemployment is high, then people will work for lower wages, blah blah blah. it's all that kind of supply and demand thing, but that just doesn't quite feel like you can find any hard edges on that at the moment, do you? well, this is it. >> well, he says, look what i see. no reason why a british

worker cannot be a care worker. well, the reasons are that they don't want to be. >> they've been difficult. they've been allowed to grow up. they've been allowed to grow up. they won't have to. >> and it doesn't pay well. and it's not a particularly nice job cleaning up people's poo, you know. >> and you might well find you're surrounded by a historically speaking, non—british people. and you feel somehow like you've lowered your status to, i mean , this is a status to, i mean, this is a reality, isn't it? psychologically, if you once people slip out of these kind of modes, they don't think that i don't blame the british people. >> they we were. everything worked fine before this massive amount of immigration. we filled all the jobs with british born people. it was not a problem. we didn't have people, though. we didn't have people, though. we didn't have people, though. we didn't have old people raisi people. the idea that we didn't, we didn't manage. it's complete fiction . we didn't need all this fiction. we didn't need all this immigration. and he's mel stride saying ex—convicts can do it instead. as long as they're british born. i'm fine. yeah. to do you know, some jobs have changed and it's interesting. >> i mean, it would be a good question whether whether, you know, neutrally speaking, objectively speaking, you would say, is it better to spend an eight hours a day on a, you know , on a production line, screwing in widgets, or is it better to spend eight hours a day in a

care home, you know, in the warm and dry with a certain amount of decision making , but also decision making, but also occasionally having the squalor of but , you know, but it's occasionally having the squalor of but, you know, but it's going to make costs go up for the consumer. >> that's the thing. >> that's the thing. >> that's the thing. >> that's that's what i mean is a lot of traditional jobs that might have been regarded as having a certain amount of status, a certain amount of, there would be, you know, you'd be with a gang of mates and you'd do a hard day's job in the factory, and then you go and have a few beers. those are a lot of those jobs have gone, you know, automation has done for those. even the call centres now have gone overseas. and you're left with what some people regard as pretty, you know, squalid, undignified work. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> i don't think just work wages are going to hit. you know, i don't think it's an extra couple of quid, i think i think an awful lot of people just don't fancy that kind of work. >> let's see. i mean, the i finally i'll believe it when i see it that immigration will actually come down. but but finally that people are making the economic argument. maybe it will because the cultural argument may not work for everyone, but people are now realising economically it's not benefited us either. so i'm hoping finally it comes back. thatis hoping finally it comes back. that is true, nick.

>> the telegraph and only one thing worse than everyone wanting to work here. >> yes, well, this is very much on the same theme. visas for foreign workers in uk fall by 25, and this is the biggest drop in foreigners moving to the uk. that's not my word. that's in the article for work and studies since the pandemic or plandemic. shout out ofcom. but, yeah. and it's saying the number of skilled workers studying healthcare visas has dropped. but actually that's slightly misleading because the skilled worker ones have actually gone up. it's the other ones that have dropped more radically. i mean, the dependents for care workers is the main one. the number of foreign health and care workers has fallen by 76, but skilled worker visas are up 41, which they're saying is because there's fire sale where people are trying to get in before the threshold went up for how much you have to earn, 26,000 238,700. so there was a fire sale on that. so that's why that's gone up. but the idea is overall it's going down, particularly because of the, well, the care workers, but also the pendant visa scam, which is just so funny that it's having a far bigger impact than the government even expected. it shows what a scam it was. you say by the way, if you're doing a degree now, you can't just

bnng a degree now, you can't just bring all your family over. oh, cancel degree, they all just cancel degree, they all just cancel them. >> why do you think it's all a scam? he's saying everybody who came and did it was a scam. >> i'm saying that many of them were. yeah, they just wanted to do mickey mouse degrees to bring people over on visas. also people. >> but no, no. well, i'm sure that there there are that is the case, but not all of them. and there are going to be people who wanted to come over study in this country who would then stay and benefit this country, who are now not going to be doing it. that's also true. >> they won't be able to do it because they're not allowed to bnng because they're not allowed to bring their family. >> yeah, they make the decision to go and study elsewhere. and so we could be losing some of the best and the brightest. also people we need to pay the university fees here. i'm not saying that people didn't break the, you know, didn't did this. >> there wasn't very well documented, massively abused. but that's but you missed some good people. but how do you do how do you keep the good people and not the bad ones. >> well, i'm just saying we're throwing the baby out with the bathwater here. and i think in a few years time when i don't understand, why don't we just i mean, i know it's more complex, but when i left home in saint albans to go to university in

southampton, i didn't take my parents with me. >> and i'm not i'm not saying, you know, no, no, maybe not parents or whatever, but you know, but why bring anyone? people just went to university and if it comes, this is emma's own home again. >> but this is that people doing mas and phds, i don't care. >> you don't have to bring your family with you. it's your education. >> well, no, but if they want to, then work for two years afterwards, in which case they're going to benefit the phds. >> there is a there is an amendment. this is a ban on postgraduates other than those studying phds from being independent. >> so there is just it's just for mazowe, isn't it? this this. >> we have to move on the mail again. josh, something tells me you'll have strong opinions about this one as well. yeah. gloating hamas hails important step as ireland, norway and spain become the latest nations to recognise a palestinian state, and israel says it's a twisted move that rewards terrorism, which is totally correct. this is, insane. and moral decision because it actually causes harm to the entire world. because first of all, it shows that it's a rewarding terrorism if you rape and, kidnap and murder , and, kidnap and murder, civilians, then you're going to basically get a state because of it. but also it's harmful to the

palestinian cause because it, again, encourages that behaviour rather than what really needs to be encouraged for a palestinian state to happen, which is the desire from palestinians for peace and to live in peace to next a jewish state. that's not what most palestinians want. most gazans want now, and also in repeated polls, still support what happened on october 7th. and same with, with, palestinians who live on the west bank. and until there's actually a fundamental shift of, actually a fundamental shift of, a movement in their leadership and within the population for just kind of like, let's just, let's make the that's this is our land. we are going to build a prosperous state here rather than we need to kill all the jews and create another genocide from the river to the sea. then then there's nothing's going to happen. it's going to be the same old, same old. so the idea that, that these countries have made the decision, by the way, three countries who are all neutral during world war two and didn't do anything, to help, is ridiculous. and i think

disgusting. >> yeah, interesting. although i would say the world war ii thing probably a red herring insofar as that wasn't understood to be, you know. >> no. you're right. yeah. but i mean , i'm just saying that mean, i'm just saying that i think it's interesting that, the i'm trying to find the numbers. >> i think it was about 140. un states. yeah, yeah, 140, 140 already recognised the state of palestine . these are three new palestine. these are three new ones. i don't know, nick. what do you think ? i would say i'm do you think? i would say i'm not in favour of it, but i wouldn't say it was rewarding. the incursion of october the 7th. it's in response to israel's continued. yeah, bombardment. >> it's always potentially dodgy when you see centres like hamas welcome the decision. so that is concerning. but it seems what they're trying to do. i know this is sort of josh's expert, so i'll just give my $0.02. but spain spain are trying to dissociate netanyahu from israel. they're saying it's netanyahu's campaign of pain and destruction. and similarly, norway is separating hamas and palestine. they're saying palestine. they're saying palestine shouldn't be punished . palestine shouldn't be punished. they are not hamas. so if people

can separate those, you can have perhaps a more, less emotive debate , because many people do debate, because many people do think netanyahu has messed this up and actually jeopardised israel's standing internationally . that's what a internationally. that's what a lot of people think. just. >> well, i think people just want to blame netanyahu. the fact is, whatever whoever the leader was of israel would have to make exactly the same decisions. they have to get these hostages back. this is a day when the footage was released of young women, young jewish women being captured, and then and the hamas terrorists and like, oh, you're beautiful. and calling them basically saying that they're, oh, young women to make babies with them. i mean, and they're still in tunnels being raped. i mean, to that's the reality of what we're deaung that's the reality of what we're dealing with. and those are the people who are being rewarded by this decision. it's not going to create peace in terms of gaza and palestine and hamas. >> it's unlike any other situation in the world, as far as i can tell, where half the population is under 18 and have never had the opportunity to vote and support them. so to say that they are they do support or don't support hamas, they've essentially been raised within a

within a sealed like 80% of the population, still support hamas and still support their actions. >> so they haven't had a vote. why have they not had a vote? because hamas hasn't allowed elections. same on fatah on the other side. they haven't had elections for 20 years or whatever. >> okay, we're at the half way point. join us in part three for michael gove's great awakening cruel test for immigrants. and what is donald trump's views on contraception? we'll be back

welcome back to headliners. so nick, we kick off with the mail again and strong. why did you invite them then? vibes here from michael gove. >> well, you've nicked my one comment, but yeah, michael gove is deeply worried about impact of the middle east conflict on upcoming general election . as upcoming general election. as far right, hard left and islamist groups look to undermine democracy . so yeah, undermine democracy. so yeah, shouldn't have done all that immigration then bro . but, shouldn't have done all that immigration then bro. but, and he's i mean, it's quite funny.

they always have to do this. so he's talking about the allahuakbar cries after the green candidate won and so on and saying that was disturbing and saying that was disturbing and deeply provocative. he says, we have to be alive to the fact that there are islamist organisations, extreme left figures and far right figures who want to undermine our democracy and the far right not really related to this, but they always have to do that because they they can't say one without saying the other, not really relevant to to the the this particular threat, which is to do with he's talking about foreign conflicts erupting on our streets. far right is nothing to do with that, really. >> well, certainly foreign conflicts informing , creating conflicts informing, creating voting blocks and creating , voting blocks and creating, yeah, people voting in their ethnic interests and all kinds of things or religious interests. i have not seen any evidence of any far right activity organising people , activity organising people, bringing them together, funnelling them into a certain candidate. have you seen anything of that kind? >> no, not in the democratic . i >> no, not in the democratic. i mean, they exist. yeah, yeah, they marched against the right and never that organised. >> no. >> no. >> that's right. i mean , just to

>> that's right. i mean, just to go back to it, we have seen it on the continent. it certainly could happen. you know, there are now significant i think it's fair to describe far right now doesn't mean the same thing as far the opposite of far left. it means specifically anti—immigration , doesn't it? anti—immigration, doesn't it? that's pretty much all the far right are interested when it's used in, in this kind of context. yeah. discussion >> but i'm not talking about i think a lot of people are concerned more concerned about immigration and more willing to talk about the need certainly to confront illegal immigration. yeah but i mean, i've known friends for a long time now who don't feel particularly concerned about immigration themselves, but have expressed concern that when immigration is high or unchecked, it provides oxygen for the far right. >> i think i think there's truth . i mean, i think there's truth to both of those, frankly, that we do need. it is something that we do need. it is something that we do need to, tackle, obviously. but of course. but if but if this dialogue is left alone, it will just be sucked in

by the far right will be the fire that takes that. >> that view you express is virtually the norm macdonald joke. i mean, yeah, you know, my worry is that if imagine the islamophobia, the backlash. yeah, i suppose the other thing gove might be hinting at is reform. >> i mean, is he vaguely saying that, you know, that reform, i don't think no, no, i think he's talking about a problem that he has to say far right to just balance balance, balance thing. >> and it is a and it is a problem though. but yes, it is great. but he's really because you know , things like the green you know, things like the green parties, the, moeen ali and whatever that alloy. yeah. yeah, stuff, news of immigrants . now, stuff, news of immigrants. now, josh being expected to pass engush josh being expected to pass english tests into remain in england . this is like he england. this is like he expected me to pay to park in my own country . yeah. disgraceful, own country. yeah. disgraceful, migrant graduates will face engush migrant graduates will face english tests , stay in uk under english tests, stay in uk under crackdown. so this is what we were talking about earlier. the graduate route in. yeah. and there is a loophole there that is being exploited. and this the argument is that this is one of the things that will close that up is that, you know, some people are paying for degrees

or, or paying to do supposed degrees, and, and, and then they're kind of dropping out so they're kind of dropping out so they don't , they're not learn they don't, they're not learn speaking english afterwards after they've supposedly written after they've supposedly written a dissertation or something. so that's one way of closing a loophole. the other one, they're talking about is universities with high dropout rates. those would be, have their licenses to recruit overseas . that sounds recruit overseas. that sounds like a very sensible thing. these are sensible decisions to close loopholes that have been exploited that that should have been done before. and are are welcome, but again, doesn't mean that that we should throw it all out is my point. >> yeah, yeah. now, do you think there is like some sense in which, loopholes get exploited more quickly than the government understand or recognise? and i wonder whether it is something to do with smartphones and the internet and so on. the speed at which the word gets around, you know, there's all the lovely old stories about, like chimps or dogs that one of them learns a trick and then suddenly they all know it. you know what i mean?

it's like a kind of i'm not. i'm not, like, reducing these people to the level of, subhuman animals. but i'm just saying there's a kind of get that in. yeah, but there's a, there's a sort of speed at which the, the chinks in the armour get shared. now that seems to be faster. is that. >> yeah, i'm sure there is. i mean, with the, with the internet and so on. on communication. everything gets shared a lot faster, doesn't it? but why is cameron piping up watering down restrictions and proposals ? what's he mean? proposals? what's he mean? cameron already offered to get or claimed he was going to get immigration down to the tens of thousands in 2010. he's still mucking around trying to reduce what's what's he doing? >> yeah, it's a good question. >> yeah, it's a good question. >> what's he doing period. >> what's he doing period. >> what's he doing period. yeah, exactly. >> well, i still quite like the idea of having a prime minister from the house of lords again, i must admit. but farage will do that. yes, possibly. or claire fox, donald trump. nick flip flopping over the morning after pill, which is something no one wants to see. >> yes, trump rejects claims he will ban the morning after pill, just hours after suggesting he would limit contraception. another democrat lie total lie.

so he says it was this classic trump kind of woolly chat because they were talking about restrictions on women's right to use contraception, he said. we're looking at that and i'm going to have a policy on that very shortly. and it's very interesting, which is just classic trump. nothing. many people are talking about it. it's a tremendous policy telling me this doesn't exist. yeah, i'm heanng me this doesn't exist. yeah, i'm hearing this. that was his great moment. but, but then and then he put in block capitals on all truth social. i have never and will never advocate imposing restrictions on birth control or other contraceptives . but then other contraceptives. but then there's the issue of morning after pill, which seems to be a slightly separate one. and he said things really have to do a lot with the states. so on that one, he was more evasive and suggested it was the states which will decide themselves. it's a weak spot. it's considered a weak spot for the republicans, especially post the midterms when they seem to have lost ground by being too radical on the pro—life issue. i don't think it's radical to not want to abort babies, but that's me. but they were seen personally. >> i mean, the thing for me was, and i probably am in a minority here, but but just technically speaking , legally speaking, roe speaking, legally speaking, roe v wade was bad law. it was it

was not a constitutional issue. and they they could have they could have passed an amendment. you know, there was 50 years of opportunity vie when they could probably have made it a federal law that guaranteed a woman's right to an abortion. but because roe v wade was sitting there, it was not felt necessary to do so. but he hasn't stopped the states allowing it to happen. that, i mean, but i am being legalistic. yeah, i realise it's much more emotive than that. >> but just in the case of this, it's like for him to then do his capital letters like, i never said that. it's like you did say it in a sort of, oh, we're looking at it. well then you they why do you think the morning after pill is more remote? >> is that because that's like a lot of people as a tiny bit like an abortion? >> i guess that's what it is. >> i guess that's what it is. >> it isn't at all, is it? it does actually prevent the, thing getting embedded in the. yes. it's like a pre. yes. so it's not it's nothing like an abortion. but is it is it that they are at that moment where it's very hard to get into their mind. yeah, exactly. you know,

because i still think of it, i'm just pragmatic right. it's like yeah there's a point at which i feel you shouldn't scrape a viable entity, you know. >> yeah. the morning after pill, maybe is taking it to another level, but but even someone like christopher hitchens can conceded that, well, not conceded. he advocated that conception was the only reasonable time you could really cite philosophically, he said there was no any other time penod there was no any other time period was arbitrary. well, and he was a lefty, if you can say that there are some conditions in which a baby can be aborted, when it could conceivably have been born. >> i mean, that's not a philosophical like . philosophical like. >> right? but anything in that earlier period between 1 and 2 and four, etc, that is the philosophical area where he says you end up stopping. that's a big discussion for this, the scope of this show, over to the times now, josh , one of the most times now, josh, one of the most disappointingly under illustrated stories of the evening . evening. >> yeah. great to scotland under pressure over funding for hardcore sex show, they were talking about performance for unsimulated sex. i have to say i

didn't get the part, but yeah, they were this person , lenny they were this person, lenny ray. jason. their project called rain, they were given £23,000 in 2022 for research and development, and then they were given £84,000 in january this yeah given £84,000 in january this year. and when the scottish national arts agency, when it was revealed what the show was really about and how there was this sex cave, daddy's cave , and this sex cave, daddy's cave, and there was rhythms of, i don't want to say people eating breakfast. fifth fifth is involved nude doppelgangers and just a really quite, disturbing stuff. yeah, and then, when there was sort of the hold up, they were like, oh, we didn't know anything about it. creative scotland? no. what are you talking about then? it turns out now it was actually all written down ahead of plan, and they knew exactly what it was. >> so just to be clear, maybe i should know. creative scotland is essentially a part of the government that distribute funds. yeah. >> and essentially the english people are paying for it because scotland like everything. >> yeah, well because the scottish government are running in deficit. >> and so that's 100 grand of they got 100 grand. >> we need to change headliners

yeah. and cash in on this money. josh, what are you prepared to do for this money i mean you know yeah it's a no a huge amount of money by national standards or government standards or government standards or government standards or whatever. >> but if you look at the edinburgh fringe and how much any kind of other show up there would kill for 100 grand or even ten grand, you know, most of them lose money. don't they? >> that that's one money spent at the edinburgh festival. >> it does kind of. it does kind of skew the whole idea of what like live performance might be aboutin like live performance might be about in scotland. it does feel about in scotland. it does feel a little bit more. these are the things that generally make money on their own, aren't they? yeah >> you chuck it at them though. yeah. >> yeah. but yeah. are pushing boundaries. these are the good things. but this just sounds like some crazy kink. >> yeah. it's gross, shut it all down. >> well, give it back to drag queen story hour, where we were all comfortable with that. now, nick staying with the times and a sign of them indeed. young recruits to the police, centring their well—being over weekend service. >> yes, gen z police recruits don't want to work weekends. bosses told and they're basically this guy is saying

they have a different expectation for work life balance aka they're lazy and afraid. i mean, i know it's a tough job, but he says, you know , they're not like gen x, which that came before them. i'm like, hello, millennials. i mean, he's missed out a whole i mean obviously josh's gen x, your greatest generation. but i'm sorry, i thought that'd be funny, i was a settler . funny, i was a settler. >> you're more your ex as well, aren't your slash boom. >> right on the cusp of boomer and x, although i don't think. i think boomer is an entirely american phenomenon. i think we boom. >> no english boomers. we didn't boom. >> i don't think we boom. no, we didn't boom. >> we didn't boom. no boom. >> we didn't boom. no boom. >> still people weren't. yeah, but that was a millennial. >> but the whole point about baby boomers is that they they came of age at the end of rationing. and then they had they had the 60s. they had the teenagen they had the 60s. they had the teenager. it's like the they're called the golden generation golden. then they then anyway 80s. >> they made lots of money. i think we're going to have to cut for the break. we've meandered off before we could really get stuck in. that's it for part three. stay with us for the final section. we have the latest travesty of a royal portrait. sick leave for the

peppery portrait. sick leave for the peppery and scooping

and welcome back to headliners so, cracking on. we have the mirror. josh, yet another bizarre and provocative royal portrait, no doubt from a well—meaning but misguided monarchist . monarchist. >> yeah, kate middleton portrait in tatler sparks furious backlash after leaving fans horrified . and, there it's horrified. and, there it's spoken. horrified. and, there it's spoken . it's supposedly it's to spoken. it's supposedly it's to speak to her courage and dignity. we have to have a look at it, basically to see how rubbish it is. at it, basically to see how rubbish it is . it that's not it. rubbish it is. it that's not it. that's not it. it's definitely that would be really. it's bad, but it ain't as bad as that. and. yeah, what it is, it looks like it's a photoshop that's kind of. >> we could quickly draw it and. yeah let me just do it. okay. it is very poor. it's kind of like the there it is. i looked at it and thought it's the aldi version of kate. do you know

what i mean? it really doesn't look like it's not got her beauty. oh, there it is. oh there you go. you have to really see the face to see how bad it is from this distance, it more looks more like decor, doesn't it? the tatler, the face is where it all goes wrong. and look, i hope she's okay. >> top. what's that called? teal isn't it? that's teal. >> it looks like a photo. that's the background photo that's been photoshopped. >> ironically. it's really. you look at the face. >> look. anything like that other one? look naive. not prince charles, but the wealthiest, the billion, the australian billionaire mining billionaire. oh, yeah. yeah. that one. yeah. they're just being done a bit like wasn't vedran wasn't there. not good. like done . yeah. like done. yeah. >> yeah. like like some illustration children's book. oh dean >> everyone. no. no one left behind, helpful advice from the mirror, nick, on how to survive the coming nuclear strike. once david lammy has been foreign secretary for a couple of weeks. >> nice. yeah, it's given. chilling government warning on exact items they need at home to survive nuclear strike. but it's not just nuclear. they also say this is preparing for emergencies like another pandemic . maybe bill gates has pandemic. maybe bill gates has got his 2.0 planned, a mass cyber attack or nuclear war cyber attack or nuclear war cyber attack, wi—fi down. >> that's what everyone really

fears, right? >> or maybe they're planning war with russia. i don't know what they're planning next. guys want to throw that in just because we're talking about tinned food here. so i thought i'd go full conspiracy. yeah. so they're saying you need tinned food, bottled water, all the usual things, all the things i've got basically. apparently people, 40% of people don't have more than three days supplies. i do, i've got the water, i've got scott capurro is having a go at me for eating canned tuna. they say he canned tuna. what's wrong with you? like, i'm sort of terrible. who's going to survive longer? scott in the apocalypse, you're like a cockroach. >> i've got loads. how dare you? i like, i like canned mackerel as well. i'm very fond of it. in fact, i used to have several cans of, butter beans and chickpeas as well that had made several house moves early to have gone early during covid. >> i went full prepper. i didn't know which way i was going to go. i've got torches banging about. i've got totally legal weapon things that can be used as weapons but totally legal. >> they don't mention a gun here, no any kind of weapons because really, if you run out, you just go and kill your neighbours. >> i've got an air rifle, which i think i could plausibly defend the front door with. i mean, people might just like, back off, you know, and think there's

got to be something easier. josh isn't worried about the elements, but he's worried about i've just got to be the strongest human. >> i've just got to be the cleverest, wiliest or strongest. >> but. but also, they haven't mentioned toilet paper as we know from an actual, crisis that thatis know from an actual, crisis that that is the thing that ran out. >> it does say that. remember, food for pets . and i was food for pets. and i was thinking, or vice versa. oh the pets. yeah. >> i made them nice and fat. why didn't i read that one? that was my only good joke. >> telegraph. josh, my old hometown here, back on the map for the first time since i left saint albans. >> yes, set to be the first smart free uk for city under 14. but that's a slight phone free smart phone free? yeah, it's not really aslef, but it's 158. this isn't like an official council decision here. this is 20 of the 24 primary schools kind of saying, hey everybody, let's not give phones to kids before they're 14. >> consortium. >> consortium. >> yeah, it's a consortium. that doesn't mean it's going to actually go through. no, the problem is that when kids go off to secondary school, that seems to secondary school, that seems to be the age when they get the phone. >> that was the thing is, like, primary schools have come out against smartphones , but they against smartphones, but they take kids up to 11 and they're

talking about this being up. it's going to be 14. it gets a lot harder after 11. >> and the other thing is my kids do all their homework on there. all the stuff now is all app there. all the stuff now is all app based. >> they order all their essays from romania on their site, but they really do all their homework on their phones now. >> now you're getting it because this is going to be it's like an upper middle class thing, right? >> yeah. it's going to backfire because the working class kids will be able to use all the phones. they'll be like, oh, they've got a short attention span. they'll be, they'll be, they'll be youtubers and these middle class parents to be working for them because they haven't developed any of the skills. >> that has been proven, though, that not having a smartphone while you're at school is worth a point on a grade on every subject, which is really substantial. i mean, that's more than private school. >> my kids just got a pouch now at school where exactly that they get. it gets locked for in when they when they arrive at school. >> good stuff. i wish they did that at concerts as well. the mail is shocked by indications of a wealthy elite emerging in the previously egalitarian saudi caphal the previously egalitarian saudi capital, riyadh. >> yeah, well, it's not just about the wealth, it's about the culture. it's introducing saudi arabia's first nightclub, where booze is banned and it costs £9,600 to get in. so this is

well to be a member for a year. well, i'm just reading the headline. i'm so sorry. sorry. yeah. okay. sorry. this is how we do the show. it's beast house, but it's not that beastly because really, drink is banned. it's kind of like an underage disco. it's basically expensive sober dancing is what it's all about. >> dancing, splashing them as whatnot . maserati, whatever. whatnot. maserati, whatever. what is the bugatti keys , i what is the bugatti keys, i suppose. yeah, it's stone, isn't it? >> but yeah, i men and women are going to be in different sections. >> it didn't say, but that's a good idea. >> that's the key. yeah, that would be this is nightclub washing now there. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> the sports wash. you know it's nightclub washing. >> male again. josh, probably our last story for the night. a certain amount of sympathy towards animal lovers doesn't sound very french . sound very french. >> yeah, a day off. not for horses, but a day off if your pet dies. campaigners in france call for animal lovers to be given time to grieve. if fido or mister nibbles pass away, i don't have any animals. i've got too many kids for that. but i do think this is quite a good idea

because i do know the people who do have pets. they really are see them as part of their family. they you lose a dog. >> what a scam though if you've got a fish or a stick insect. >> well, this is what i was gonna say was a goldfish. no. >> dogs and cats. >> dogs and cats. >> dogs. but maybe a gerbil half a day and the show is nearly over. >> oven >> let's take another quick look at thursday's front pages. we have the daily mail. now is the moment for britain to choose its future. do they want a soaking wet sunak guardian? sunaks big gamble the financial times sunak bets on july 4th election. the mirror drown and out the telegraph. sunak gambles on snap poll and the metro sunak bets the house. those were your front pages. that's all we have time for on this historic day. thank you to my guest, for on this historic day. thank you to my guest , josh howie and you to my guest, josh howie and nick dixon. stephen allen will be here tomorrow at 11 pm. with lewis schaffer and scott cooper . lewis schaffer and scott cooper. i beg your pardon? if you're watching at 5 am, stay tuned for breakfast. otherwise, thank you very much for your company. sleep well. good night. >> a brighter outlook with boxt

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through today, but because of the high rainfall totals we've seen recently, there could be some further issues making flooding a little bit worse in some places. also, heavy rain across parts of eastern northern ireland, northern england and nonh ireland, northern england and north wales in particular. like i said, some further ongoing issues, some more disruption to travel possible, a drier story further south. quite cloudy through the morning though i am expecting some bright or sunny spells to develop as we head into the afternoon, particularly across parts of east anglia and southeast england. here there's a good chance of seeing some sunshine and in the sunshine here it should feel pleasantly warm. temperatures likely to peak just about in the low 20s towards the southeast. further north and west, where you have the rain, temperatures will be suppressed. some places staying in single digits. and watch out for some blustery winds towards the northwest as we look towards friday, and there will still be some further outbreaks of rain, especially across northern parts, though these look fairly light and there will be some dry spells in between further south, likely to stay mostly dry, and there may even be some bright or

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the king has granted this request and we will have a general election on the 4th of july. >> well, the battle commences as rishi sunak calls a summer general election. critics claiming number 10 have taken a huge gamble. we'll be joined by the prime minister later in the programme . programme. >> yes, rishi sunak has taken an

enormous gamble by