gb news. >> from the world headquarters of gb news. this is friday night live with me, mark dolan. the weekend starts here, so bring your own drinks. the admission is free on tonight's election special. was the decision to call a snap summer poll a political masterstroke or electoral suicide? has nigel farage missed out on the political opportunity of a lifetime? our tv debate is good for democracy. plus, in a huge political bombshell, michael gove is to stand down at the election, ending a two decade long career in politics. is this a fatal blow for rishi sunak? reaction to this massive story is on the way .

is on the way. to fall out over those topics and many more, tonight's friday a—team top political author and commentator jo—anne a—team top political author and commentatorjo—anne nadler radio commentator jo—anne nadler radio and fleet street icon mike porky parry, and a man who will always get my vote. the highly electable sports broadcaster and journalist . vote for me. aidan journalist. vote for me. aidan magee qpr fun ring to it. it rhymes . great magee qpr fun ring to it. it rhymes. great things are destined for you. my first on air reaction to news of a snap election and what it means for you after the news headlines and ray anderson . ray anderson. >> thanks, mark. our top stories tonight. and as we've just been hearing, michael gove has become the 77th tory mp to announce that he will not stand at the general election, saying it's

time for a new generation to lead the housing secretary published a letter on social media saying there comes a moment when you know it's time to leave. the formerjournalist had been the mp for surrey heath almost 20 years. other prominent tories to stand down include former pm theresa may and former health secretary matt hancock . health secretary matt hancock. rishi sunak has been greeted by a group of pro—palestine protesters as he visited a college in the west midlands this afternoon. the situation was described as tense as the pm arrived at south staffordshire college in cannock. the last stop on his uk tour. college in cannock. the last stop on his uk tour . police stop on his uk tour. police officers formed a guard for mr sunak as his entry to the college was delayed and he was quickly ushered into the building as the crowd surged around him. whilst inside , around him. whilst inside, activists with banners and flags chanted free palestine ! labour chanted free palestine! labour has ruled out any deals with the snp after the election , even in snp after the election, even in the event of a hung parliament. sir keir starmer has been

campaigning in the east of glasgow today. that's one of the seats he's hoping to take from john swinney's party. sir keir said the snp's only ambition is to break up the uk and there would be absolutely no deal with the scottish nationalists . gb the scottish nationalists. gb news can reveal that more than 10,000 channel migrants have crossed illegally to the uk so far this year. the milestone figure was reached today after another 154 people arrived in doven another 154 people arrived in dover, having crossed in three small boats this morning. it's a blow to rishi sunak on his second full day of election campaigning . campaigning after campaigning. campaigning after he promised that his government would stop the boats. the former boss of the post office has been accused of living in la la land over her role in the horizon scandal. paula vennells again becoming emotional on her third day of evidence , she admitted day of evidence, she admitted making mistakes and accepted that there was no one else to blame. but she claimed that she didn't know why important information hadn't reached her.

sam stein kc described that as absolute rubbish and suggested that miss vennells had failed to ask the right questions. and finally, the documentary filmmaker morgan spurlock has died at the age of 53. he came to prominence with his oscar nominated film super size me in 2004, which tracked his health while he ate nothing but mcdonald's for a month. the film was credited with prompting a broad conversation about how fast food and rising obesity was impacting society . mr spurlock impacting society. mr spurlock passed away in new york due to complications from cancer. well, for all the latest headlines, sign up for gb news alerts. simply scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news slash alerts. now, back to . mark. alerts. now, back to. mark. >> the election has only just been called and already we have

a winner. it's not rishi sunak si king, starmer, ed davey or whoever that new bloke is up in scotland. it is disgraced former post office chief paula vennells, who would likely be making headlines for her disastrous handling of the honzon disastrous handling of the horizon software scandal. but thanks to the news of a july election, vennells is largely out of the spotlight, which is why she should use her multi—million pound payoff from the post to office send rishi sunak a thank you box of cadbury's celebrations. not celebrating our 344 tory mps. who are the turkeys that not only did not vote for christmas, but may now be getting stuffed six months early, backbenchers would have eked out a few extra months of salary before the inevitable visit to the job centre, the parliamentary hewlett—packard laser printer has been working overtime time turning out p45s to members of parliament in previously safe seats. so why did rishi sunak

call an early general election ? call an early general election? has the economic revival already peaked? will the small boats continue arriving throughout the summer whilst he trying to ward off an 11th hour leadership mutiny? well, some in the recesses of twitter are speculating that a war with russia is coming and sunak doesn't want to be a wartime pm. although, let's be honest, the invasion of ukraine looks like a minor skirmish compared to doing battle with andrea jenkyns, suella braverman and jacob rees—mogg . others are suggesting rees—mogg. others are suggesting that the pm wants to take a top job in the united states, where he has a californian home. and of course, that notorious green card. keen observers point out that american schools don't start until early september, which means an easy transition for him and his kids should they decide to head stateside. but politics is a funny old

business. i'm not sure that i believe the polls. who the hell is going to be honest and tell a 21 year old woke graduate with a clipboard on the street that they're voting tory. after all, labour have their own problems polling suggests that the momentum behind labour is to do with the public's fatigue in regards to the tories, not enthusiasm for starmer's bill of goods, but not being leader of the conservatives may be enough to get starmer across the line . to get starmer across the line. the labour offer seems to be a simple one to provide an alternative but not scare the horses by suggesting any controversial policies . in other controversial policies. in other words, we will deliver change. but not too much change. if you get my line of reasoning , a get my line of reasoning, a labour victory is highly likely, but that presents sunak with an opportunity. the most dangerous opponent, after all, is the one with nothing to lose . rishi

with nothing to lose. rishi sunak could promise to pause immigration altogether. he could promise to drag us out of the european convention on human rights. he could scrap inherited tax, he could promise an oasis reunion and get the gallagher brothers together. he could promise a new series of the office with david brent . what office with david brent. what about this one? where are those pictures, folks ? there you go. pictures, folks? there you go. worth the wait. it's friday night. we've all had a drink and what about this one? free beer for everyone on a wednesday? sunak can roll the dice big time as he has done with the election date. the truth is, it's all to play date. the truth is, it's all to play for. each party has its merits and its downsides. and if we're honest, millions don't know who they're going to vote for. in fact, a don't know prime minister leading a don't know government made up of don't know mps would probably be the most popular administration in 100 years. but when it comes to the keys for number 10, it is starmer versus sunak. one of

them will prevail. but in either case, i'm not sure the country wins . so for reaction to the big wins. so for reaction to the big political story of the week, which is an election on the 4th of july, let's speak to my top punst of july, let's speak to my top pundits this evening. jo—anne nadler mike parry and aidan magee joanne, let me start with you . were you surprised by this you. were you surprised by this news of a july poll? i was surprised, i think everybody was slightly taken by surprise, but not quite as much as it would appear if she sunak was surprised by his own news. >> he seems to have been a rabbit in the headlights all week, hasn't he? yeah. >> but has it given him control of the narrative? is he now in the driving seat? the fact that he's surprised everyone? isn't that already a feather in his cap? well i think we've got to wait and see what happens with the manifesto launches, because up to this point, i'd have to say it doesn't appear to be the case. >> it looks more like he calculated that his options were running out, that, as you suggested in the monologue , that suggested in the monologue, that

we could have more small boats arriving over the summer, that the good news that there has been on the economy may stall . been on the economy may stall. we might have reached a high point that he wouldn't have been able to offer any tax cuts before an election. so, in essence, i think he's just cut his losses and gone. >> do you think he's sick of being prime minister >> has he had enough? he's had enough of steve bray down the road playing loud tunes as he had enough of 24 over seven security and living in that flat at number 11? well, quite a bit overrated being prime minister, i think it's i mean he's he's obviously a very serious minded individual. >> he's a very , he's interested >> he's a very, he's interested in detail, isn't he? but he doesn't see the school swot doesn't see the school swot doesn't seem. >> is it with you at school? he's the kind of pupil that gets the homework in early. sits at the homework in early. sits at the front of the class with thick glasses listening to teacher. >> i think the issue is, is he a bit like mike parry? >> is he a politician? >> is he a politician? >> that was a great scholar. >> that was a great scholar. >> does he have that kind of burning passion to change things, to improve things, to be a kind of really sort of, read

into and claw, but blue blooded conservative. and we've not seen any evidence of that really, or we've not seen enough evidence of it. he's toyed with it. >> will you see him as more a technocrat and administrator rather than a politician? >> yes. and he's probably very goodin >> yes. and he's probably very good in that role. >> well, mike, what about keir starmer? >> i mean, keir starmer is, is, is really a lawyer by nature isn't he. >> well keir starmer has now been put on the spot. i totally admire what rishi sunak is doing. i think he just had enough of people saying, you know, letters might be going in there might be another challenge to your supremacy . we might need to your supremacy. we might need another leader before the autumn election . i think he just got election. i think he just got a morning. he said, i've had enough of this. i told you, i'm going to do i've got nothing to lose. i'm going to go out there and i'm going to announce an election. oh, prime minister it's raining, i don't care. i've got my £1,000 suit on, but i don't care. i'm going. i'm going to announce it. and he announced it. and he's made an absolutely direct plea to the british people, both when he announced

the election and the following morning's interviews . i've got morning's interviews. i've got a plan. keir starmer hasn't got a plan. keir starmer hasn't got a plan . so when you just ask the plan. so when you just ask the questions, my colleague joanna here is he thought of being prime minister. no, i think he wants to be prime minister with his own backing, with the people voting for him because his campaign is going to be presidential. i've got a plan. starmer hasn't and starmer is now going to have to very, very rapidly come up with a plan because so far he doesn't need to come up with a plan. hang on. so far, so far i've seen rishi say i've done this, i've done that, we've done this, we're going to do that. and he has he has brought down inflation jam tomorrow . tomorrow. >> no isn't it. >> no isn't it. >> no, no it's not, it's not the economy going to be recovered. it's not jump tomorrow. what about inflation coming down. what about the fact that energy pnces what about the fact that energy prices are coming down. >> what. and the fact he couldn't get people to leave in a coat. no. >> the biggest cheer. >> the biggest cheer. >> no. immigration is up at 635,000. no. >> excuse me us, us. keir

starmer what? his plan is to stop the boats coming in. >> he doesn't need one. >> he doesn't need one. >> he doesn't need one. >> he hasn't got one. he hasn't got one. >> default command. >> default command. >> sorry. say again. >> sorry. say again. >> central border command. central border a brand new bureau which is going to crush the criminal gangs. >> yes, that's right. he says we're going to as rishi as rishi sunak has pointed out, we're going to as rishi as rishi sunak has pointed out , the sunak has pointed out, the tories are already doing all of that. it was just it was just a reiteration of what's already happening. no, i like the way that rishi has come in. what i think he's done is i think he said, do you know what i couldn't care less anymore. i'm going to go for it. and if i lose? so what? the gloves are off. excuse me? the gloves are off. excuse me? the gloves are off. the gloves are off. i'm going to take on keir starmer because he's a pretend politician and i'm a real politician. i've got nothing to lose. and by the way, if i do lose, i will go to california. i'm busking my half billion pound fortune with my wife. >> why not to get there quickly? that's an eight. >> and funny you should mention miami vice, because you're very much rocking the crockett and tubbs look tonight. >> i had a long time correct .

>> i had a long time correct. >> i had a long time correct. >> i had a long time correct. >> i hope it's only sartorial and not chemical. >> yeah, definitely. definitely sartorial . good, good. we'll do sartorial. good, good. we'll do a blood test after the show. >> although @gbnews. that's brave. >> aidan magee. yeah, many would argue that this snap election reeks of desperation and disorganisation. i think it's bravery that sunak is already lost before he started. >> well, yeah, i think so. i mean, it's either hammering now or hammering in november. it doesn't really make that many that much of a difference. having said that, you look at the campaign and let's assume that 48 hours ago the campaign was underway in earnest, never mind to talk about tv debates, which would come on later, come on to later on, of course. but this campaign so far is an absolute disaster. if you look at his team. yes, it is. if you look at his team, they're either imbeciles or they're trying to do him down. they're putting pictures of him out in front of an exit sign on a plane. they sent him to wales to ask him about the football. when wales haven't even qualified for the euros. he didn't say that. yes, well, he asked. he said he looked forward to the football. everybody knows wales aren't qualifying. hang on, he said. >> are you looking forward to the football? he didn't say. are you looking forward to wales competing in the european

championships? no he didn't. >> people in wales watch football where the wales are in it or not. >> what's your man? >> what's your man? >> mike's inspired me here to look at this counterintuitively, because actually i wonder where they're getting rained on on thursday will engender public sympathy. it humanises rishi sunak. he's out there. he's got the loudspeaker from steve bray. just on the other side of the number. couldn't they? >> could his team control that? right. but isn't isn't this in a way, in the spirit of john major's campaign in 1992, the soapbox getting heckled exactly . soapbox getting heckled exactly. >> getting sort of eggs thrown at him. perhaps this is a good look for the multi—millionaire rishi sunak. >> i think it is. >> i think it is. >> i think he's got to hope that within a few days we've all forgotten about the launch. and we may well have done because things move on very quickly dunng things move on very quickly during an election campaign. but i don't think it's a great look to say i want people to feel sorry for me. that's not exactly he didn't. >> he didn't. there was no way that image wouldn't. >> some people say that it humanises him. it's like this quy's humanises him. it's like this guy's got he's got cojones . guy's got he's got cojones. there he is. he's on number 10 in front of britain . he's in front of britain. he's getting pissed on with the rain. >> people said people .

>> people said people. >> people said people. >> people said to him, prime minister mike, if i may ask, we've all had i mean , i think we've all had i mean, i think the problem for him was that he didn't react to the circumstances. >> well, how could he reacted? >> well, how could he reacted? >> no, because he could have he could have could he have said, oh, it's raining. >> i'm going inside, joe. >> i'm going inside, joe. >> unfinished. >> unfinished. >> he should have ad libbed around that things can only get wetter. yeah, something like that. you know, he should have yourself. it was very curious the way he appeared to be completely impervious to everything that was going around him, going on around him. and i think that that that made him seem not somebody to sympathise with, but somebody that seemed a little inhuman and a little sort of divorced from. >> i don't think he was impervious. i think he was absolutely focused he was saying, i'm addressing the british people. i'm going to call an election. i've got a plan. and keir starmer hasn't. and i don't even care, michael. i don't even care if it's raining. >> he's sukh material must be really good because that rain still looked good on his shoulders. it didn't even crease at all. so he must be spending a few bottles on sunak. >> michael, i you're you're a man of letters . i am indeed, and

man of letters. i am indeed, and i've got no doubt that you've read the art of war the art of war, as well as a couple of jilly cooper paperbacks on holiday. >> i've never i've never read a jilly cooper paperback. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> i know you like a bodice pren >> i know you like a bodice ripper, but michael , the art of ripper, but michael, the art of war says always have the element of surprise . and sunak has of surprise. and sunak has achieved that this week. >> he has absolutely keir starmer hasn't got a plan. the other thing keir starmer hasn't got by the way, i know he's got he hasn't got much at all. hang on, he hasn't. he has. >> we'll come to that. >> we'll come to that. >> he hasn't got a shadow cabinet. he has not. keir starmer has got a shadow cabinet. >> he got a shadow cabinet. >> he got a shadow cabinet. >> no. apart from rachel reeves who does an impersonation of claudia winkleman with her hair and well wes streeting can't seem to make his mind up. >> david lammy shadow foreign secretary david lammy can't make his mind up on whose side he's on. >> i'm now a reformed rightist. no, i'm an extreme leftist. it's a shambles. i don't believe the british people will be fooled by the nonsense. >> now starmer , labour have a

plan. >> in fact, they rather fortuitously publish their plan last week with the six point manifesto. so actually the timing has been perfect for keir starmer. >> in fact, they published it some time ago and it was written by gordon brown. and it basically explains how labour. >> but all of this disaster, what you've done now is you've passed a pall of sadness over , passed a pall of sadness over, over the should be sad about it because it's really worrying . because it's really worrying. >> all of this is a huge distraction, constantly saying that keir starmer and labour doesn't have a plan means we're not going to scrutinise their intent to change the constitution and go further down the blair revolution. that's what you're saying. >> labour doesn't have a plan is a red herring. it is a red herring. >> well, so do they have a plan, mark? joanna you say, well, what is their plan? sorry. >> points on that list was just vague nonsense. >> of course. sorry. john is about to reveal to us it was up there with the teachers. hang on. john's about to reveal to us the labour plan. please do. what is it? >> the labour plan is to extend the blairite revolution. so we'll have more devolution,

which means more layers of government. in actual fact, yes it does. we'll have more unaccountable bodies running. running things. yeah, more taxes to pay for them. less democracy. yeah, exactly . more tax. yeah. yeah, exactly. more tax. yeah. and more constitutional reform , and more constitutional reform, well, does that mean. which means we'll have a lot of tinkering with our constitution. unless, of course, labour would argue it's accountability. labour would argue it's more money being spent on people who are who are, you know, quangos . are who are, you know, quangos. quangocrats. okay. >> of course, labour would argue that it would be more democracy , that it would be more democracy, putting democracy closer to the people. but you're entitled to your view , aidan. last thoughts your view, aidan. last thoughts before we talk about michael gove after the break? >> look, i honestly think it was it was now i think it can be a personal decision, but i also think there were letters going in, and i think he ought to be ashamed of the government he's lived in the last few years. i think they've been a shambles. >> fantastic stuff. no one sits on the fence on this show. let me tell you so much more to get through, next up, michael gove has stepped down, ending a two decade long career in politics. what does this mean for rishi

sunak and the outcome of the general election? plus, has nigel farage missed out on the political opportunity of a lifetime? has nigel bottled it? we'll discuss that

next. has nigel farage bottled it? has he missed out on the political opportunity of a lifetime ? we'll opportunity of a lifetime? we'll discuss that in just a moment. but first, the election will see the departure of several big political names, including labour's harriet harman, former prime minister theresa may and. and our former health secretary. dunng and our former health secretary. during the pandemic, a man whose private life has had as many headunes private life has had as many headlines as his politics, matt hancock well, developing tonight in a massive political bombshell, tory grandee michael gove has stood down, ending a two decade long career in politics. what are the implications for rishi sunak and the outcome of the next

election? aidan magee is this rats leaving a sinking ship? >> yes, most certainly i believe he was under pressure in his constituency and what annoys me is that if i think back to the most comparable era compared to now, i'm talking about the back end of john major's time in government, probably about 95 to 97. all those people in that cabinet or those characters, they were loathed and despised, but at least they faced and stared down the barrel at the electorate, and they had their moment of shame. portillo in enfield south, you had mellor in putney, you had all the debacle with neil hamilton up at tatton park against martin bell and the white suit, similar to what i'm wearing tonight, actually. but they took their humiliation. they took their medicine. we i think we've had upwards of 40 senior tories or certainly tory candidates or sitting mps who said they're not standing at the next election . what bottlers. next election. what bottlers. and it's the biggest crime against humanity. and well, no, that's a bit strong actually. but it's terrible that they can't face the music when they're elected and they can't even see it through to the end. it's terrible. >> it's going to be, in no

uncertain terms, a blow for rishi sunak to see michael gove standing down. i think the majority he enjoys is 18,000. so that's a safe seat. yeah. why do you think he stood down? >> joanne ? well, as you say, >> joanne? well, as you say, it's not a vote of confidence in the in the current government, is it really? i mean, he's a genuinely intellectual politician and there are very few of those. but he's also a very mercurial character. it's quite difficult to tell exactly where he sits on the political spectrum. so, he has a lot of enemies because people think of him as being a machiavellian backstabber , and i think that he backstabber, and i think that he will have made a calculation that he's young enough to go off and do something else. probably still very political in many ways. perhaps editing a newspaper , perhaps, i know vice newspaper, perhaps, i know vice chancellor of a university or something like that. tv news breakfast. >> yeah, well that's that, but he actually, he. >> i remember the days when he presented a show on a late night show on channel 4 television called a shot in the dark. he was maybe he he did comedy, didn't he? >> he did comedy for a while.

>> he did comedy for a while. >> well, it was. yeah he was also a comedy actor. >> yes, yes, yes, yes. i'm not talking about his time in government. >> i think he i think he has got a lot, a lot of, of options available to him. but i think the really interesting thing about this is what does it say about this is what does it say about the succession, after the election, assuming that the conservatives lead because it does rather suggest that he he's not going to be on the scene to pull the strings. he might pull the strings, pull the strings. >> anyway, what he does is he puts knives in people's backs . puts knives in people's backs. we all forgot. michael gove, in my opinion, is a massive creep with a capital cre in it. okay. >> because he's invents a new letter. yeah letters. yeah, yeah. >> a man of letters. absolutely if he hadn't put the knife into boris's back , yeah, we wouldn't boris's back, yeah, we wouldn't have had theresa may. and if we hadnt have had theresa may. and if we hadn't had theresa may, we wouldn't have had all the terrible fallout that came from this brexit. >> and the tories would have won . exactly, exactly. >> all this could have been sorted much sooner , except on sorted much sooner, except on the on the day that boris was going to stand up and say, i'm

going to stand up and say, i'm going to stand up and say, i'm going to volunteer as late as, conservative leader michael gove suddenly announced he might run as well. so boris had to stand down. it was a look . it was down. it was a look. it was a terrible act of political treachery . i terrible act of political treachery. i don't terrible act of political treachery . i don't have a single treachery. i don't have a single iota of faith in michael gove. i'm glad he's gone, michael. i think he's a political . creep. think he's a political. creep. >> michael, you're going to have to tell us what you're thinking. get off that fence. >> you have to look at what he's done.i >> you have to look at what he's done. i don't i know many teachers who weren't impressed with what he did in education in probably 7 or 8 years ago. >> you look very impressed with it. >> okay, fine. the standards, didn't he, aidan? well, i don't know. i haven't seen the statistics, but i know i'm speaking. okay. i haven't got balance here, but i'm talking to teachers. they weren't very impressed. never levelling up. you can't, you can't, you can't. you can't, you can't, you can't. you can't, you can't, you can't. you can't achieve any kind of levelling up agenda unless you and i've said this many times as you create employment in those areas to stop dragging people back to london. so it's failed in that one. and the renters reform, goodness me, it did very, very mixed. >> i've got a story about michael gove actually, which is positive, aidan's a property investor and so am i. i had a couple of properties which were

worthless because of the cladding scandal. you lived in there? no no, it wasn't honestly, because of the cladding scandal, though. worthless i got hold of michael gove, who was housing secretary and said, michael, i think that the developers who built these properties should pay for recladding them and you know what? he pushed it through and got them to do. fair enough. yeah. and i'm talking about hundreds of millions. he also got locked in the away end at millwall two years ago. >> you know he supports qpr. >> you know he supports qpr. >> positive to say about it i can. there you go. >> he was a very effective but it was a personal thing. you know he saved me from going bankrupt as a property investor. >> well there is your headline. gove gone, let me tell you i was joking that he'll be presenting gb news breakfast. there is no space because we have a top line up of tv and radio talent. what he could do is overnights. now let's move on to nigel farage. reform uk supporters were waiting for smoke signals above nigel farage. his country retreat. would the pope of brexit bless his congregation

with another political miracle ? with another political miracle? taking the leadership of the for party six weeks in an attempt to seal the fate of the conservatives and potentially consign them to the political dustbin of history? would the most consequential politician of his generation, achieved without entering high office or even the house of commons, throw a cat among the pigeons and redraw the political map of this country ? political map of this country? the answer no, it was not to be. when it came to i'm a celebrity, nigel had a million or so reasons to enter the jungle to and be fair, he won a new army of fans just by being himself . of fans just by being himself. but it seems he's going to stay out of the political jungle now. for the next six weeks, nigel will be actively campaigning for reform uk, but when they enter the polling station, the british pubuc the polling station, the british public are often mindful that they are voting for a leader and technically , thanks to his technically, thanks to his decision to avoid a front line role this week , a vote for

role this week, a vote for reform uk is now not a vote for nigel farage. is he choosing america over britain and donald trump over westminster? only time will tell. but has he missed the political opportunity of a lifetime to potentially become the new opposition? has he rendered his own party, reform uk, a lame duck , or does reform uk, a lame duck, or does this give reform the chance to step out of nigel's shadow? >> mike parry well, come off it. reform without nigel farage is nothing, is it? it's nothing. >> i we saw what happened with ukip when he left the place. >> exactly. i mean, i'm very disappointed with nigel. i like him a lot and, you know mixed with him a lot. had a couple of pints of beer in the pub across the road from these studios. quite often when he stepped outside for a cigarette. man of the people and all that. but i'm very disappointed at the way he's exited politics in this country by in my view, not being

bold enough to step up that look, there is a huge vacuum in politics somewhere here in this country. we're looking for a true leader, aren't we a true leader now? he is a true leader. he could have stepped forward. in my view, reform is now nothing. i you know, without nigel. but i was i'm going to use a football analogy. do you remember when george graham left his last job in 95? >> yeah. was that. no, no, no, it was tottenham in 2001. >> tottenham 2001. after winning the fa cup i think. >> no no no no. just qualify for the semi—final in the fa cup. >> and he came away and he said i've got one great job in football left in me. but i'm going to be very selective what it is. that's more or less what nigel said this morning. >> george graham never worked again. >> he never worked again . he he >> he never worked again. he he kept saying he was approached by newcastle and he said they weren't a big enough club at the time. okay. and that's more or less what nigel said this morning. i've got one great political job left in me, but it's not now . that means, in my it's not now. that means, in my view, it's all over for nigel

farage as any sort of political power in this country, what do you think ? you think? >> what is nigel's master plan? >> what is nigel's master plan? >> i was with him less than two weeks ago. i was chatting with him for about half an hour. he seemed at ease with the world. he seemed to look. he looked as good as i've seen him. seen him? look he really did. he was fantastic. great company as always, wonderful charisma. and he has spent enough of his time with parties who aren't ever going to get a sniff of power. we saw it with ukip, various other guises, very other, you know, other other brands that they were launched and soon came and went irrespective of his personality. he is not going to lead one of those parties into government. our system is simply not built for it. i think he takes a break. he's nearly i think he's 60 years old or thereabouts. he takes a break. there's a huge vacuum in the tory party. that's where he'll end up. >> okay, what do you think about that? that's it's a bombshell. so? so i think aiden is suggesting that the tories lose the election and nigel comes to the election and nigel comes to the rescue and pretty much says, well, as a tory, i think it's a quite a shrewd decision in terms of his own options because from

what i understand, it would have been quite difficult for him to have suddenly taken over from richard tice as leader of reform , “0, richard tice as leader of reform , no, but he could have easily, couldn't he? >> he was senior to richard tice i >> -- >> he's -_ >> he's got no infrastructure for a start. >> well, quite so i think he would have found himself, nominally heading something which, you know, potentially isn't going to make that big of a difference in these coming elections. and then he would have been saddled with the reputation of having sort of gone down with something that was a bit of a busted flush. >> he got 4 million votes in 2015. i think it was. he didn't get a sniff of power, nowhere near wasting his time. no. >> and stood seven times, i think, for parliament as an mp isn't it. yes. yeah. but what i'm saying is individually stood. is it seven times. yes. to become an mp and never been voted in. >> tell me about your theory about the tories. how does nigel cross tory party and how does he rescue it? >> he was he was a member of the tory party some years ago. so he's not completely detached from it. >> how would it work? >> how would it work? >> i think he would go in there

as leader. i don't think it necessarily would be to gain, to gain power. yes, i do, but i don't think i don't. >> i don't think he'd have to rejoin the tories first. >> i know. yeah. what's the problem with that? >> well, i mean it's quite a well not quite a maturation. >> i think it's a safe seat for him. >> yes. >> yes. >> i think that's not. that's not a difficult thing to do. there's plenty of safe seats around. they can have. their half of them are leaving for a start and some of them will be safe seats. but secondly, i can see him going back in there. he could i could see him performing the role that michael howard did from 2002 to 2000. you mean lose an election? no, no. yeah. okay. he lost the election, but he made up the distance. he did the job that william hague should have done. yeah. >> why would he want to do? >> why would he want to do? >> okay, well, he's in his 60s. what else? what other route is there any any other possible power? >> is it possible that nigel farage in the next parliament, becomes tory leader? >> i think it's extremely impossible. >> i think it's extremely unlikely. >> and yet. and yet if the tories face an existential threat in six weeks time, it might be unlikely. but it might be. it might be essential. >> well, i think there are credible but relatively unknown people vying will be vying to lead the tory party after the

next election. >> an unknown unknown. there aren't. >> michael, michael, briefly, what do you think? michael saves the tories if they lose the election? >> well, look, jonah knows more about politics than i do. >> is that his secret? >> is that his secret? >> no, no, but hang on, how can he suddenly take off the cloak of reform and become a tory again without insisting that he takes reform policies? he'll be an antidote to the tory party. >> okay, what it would happen. >> okay, what it would happen. >> i think he's still. he's told us what he wants to do. he wants to go off and have a big role in america. >> i'll tell you what, make donald trump president time . donald trump president time. >> we'll come back to this because it's a fascinating debate. but next up, how much will the smaller parties like the lib dems reform who we've mentioned and the greens as well as the independents, influence the outcome of the election and our tv debates. good for democracy. we'll debate that

next. well, so far, there has been an almost total focus on the

conservatives versus labour. but how much will the smaller parties like the lib dems, the greens, reform uk and independents play in the ultimate outcome? what do you think? mike parry ? think? mike parry? >> well, to be honest, what i, i still believe in this country. there is a very big silent majority . i there is a very big silent majority. i don't there is a very big silent majority . i don't know about you two. >> it's always quite shy. >> it's always quite shy. >> but no, i, i think when you're asked, you know, in the street clipboard as you, mentioned earlier on, what are you going to tell your vote? >> i woke graduate in the hoodie. >> the reason the reason boris got an 80 seat majority when he crushed the red wall was because people weren't telling anybody who they were going to vote for. they went into the ballot box and they put their take. i think there's a good deal of that is going to happen this time as well. but i also just to reiterate what i said earlier in the show, i think rishi, so far on his first two major statements, announced the election the following morning, saying i've got a plan. i think that will turn people round to

saying, actually, i, i'm going to vote conservative because he does seem to be saying they have got a plan. and when we get the tv election debates, by the way, we'll find out how shallow, how shallow and useless keir starmer is . is. >> we're going to come to that, of course, keir starmer ahead in the polls, he would argue britain is ready for a change. jo—anne nadler, let's talk about those smaller parties. yeah. mike mentioned the red wall. the lib dems could smash the blue wall, couldn't they? i mean, they've they've clearly been worrying the conservatives for some time. >> and that's why we've seen a kind of i mean, i talked earlier about how rishi sunak hadn't been sufficiently conservative, but he's been torn between playing to the red wall, playing to the blue wall. and so we've ended up with something that's a bit of a fudge, something in between the two of those. in terms of his policy announcements over the last few months, but i think the real role of the smaller parties is, is to point up the tensions within labour and the tensions within labour and the tensions within the conservatives so the greens, wishy washy as as we'll

know , are pretty extreme these know, are pretty extreme these days. and they've become a kind of depository for, for, you know , for, for gender ideologies . , for, for gender ideologies. >> a lot of the corbyn supporters have moved to the green party. yeah >> so i mean, i think they'll be kind of needling away at labour from the left in terms of the media and how the media covers the parties. and that's what reform can do with the tories . reform can do with the tories. but he said davey, a credible leader where they're not being sufficiently conservative, is that david? >> nobody knows who he is or he's a cream faced loon, to use a shakespearean expression. >> okay . he, he to me he's he's >> okay. he, he to me he's he's spacious . he says nothing. >> okay. he, he to me he's he's spacious. he says nothing. he smiles a lot. he gets his hammer out , knocks down a few blue bricks. >> they're normal, traditional role being a protester. no, but hang on. >> is somebody going to actually examine ed davey role in the post office scandal ? because he post office scandal? because he was involved in that in a huge way and used the same defence which that lady miss vennells is

using today? oh, nobody told me. oh, my officials didn't tell me. that's not leadership. >> the lib dems are far, far removed from when they were electorally successful, and even when they were electorally successful, they never really came close to government with the exception of the time in coalition. but you look at paddy ashdown in 97, 2001, they also took a few votes. they are far removed . and when they used to removed. and when they used to get those votes down in the south—west of england, now to distinguish themselves from the tories post coalition, they've had to lurch far to the left. and i don't think they're a realistic proposition at election, i really don't. >> well, it's up by realistic. >> well, it's up by realistic. >> they will take some seats. some seats, yes, because they're still a flank of people that are still a flank of people that are still very angry about brexit. >> well there you go. >> well there you go. >> and that's the natural place for them. >> yes. >> yes. >> and of course it is worth adding that the lib dems have won many plaudits for their work running local authorities, council seats in which they've gained a following. and of course, they would argue that they could scoop up 40, 50, 60 seats because they're offering a moderate alternative to labour. okay, folks, let's talk about

those tv debates . after the those tv debates. after the weather spoilt his performance in downing street on thursday. >> why did he spoil it? i'm sorry. i've got to challenge you. you could say. i don't think it did spoil it. i i'm sorry, put a dampener on it. not at all. you can use all the all the little, you know, clever words you like, you know , wetter words you like, you know, wetter and all this kind of stuff. i thought he was bold. he went out. i'm the prime minister. i'm telling you , there's going to be telling you, there's going to be a election. i've got a plan keir starmer hasn't. i thought renee got one vote. >> wally with the brolly. i've got one rafe. >> well, let's pick up this conversation, because after the weather intervened in rishi sunaks announcement . sunaks announcement. >> and he cast himself as a feisty street fighter by demanding a weekly tv debate with sir keir starmer. has this given the prime minister something of an opportunity? it appears that sir keir has agreed in principle to a tv debate, but it looks likely that labour will agree to just two debates, not the six that sunaks camp are suggesting. i think when it

comes to these clashes, the more the merrier. the public cannot have too many opportunities to quiz the two men who are fighting it out for the keys to number 10, although admittedly, if it does run to six tv debates, the public will probably get bored a few weeks in with viewers migrating to coronation street and watching the euros for light relief . what the euros for light relief. what do we think about these tv debates? are they good for democracy ? democracy? >> jo—anne nadler well, i'm for all holding politicians to account, but there's a degree of pantomime about those debates, which means we avoid really scrutinising detail. they're part of our system now, so we've got to go . got to go. >> but if there are more of them, won't we able be able to be able to see between the joins? if there are only two, then the leaders can hold them together, whereas if there are six, which is what the prime minister wants, then at some point the cracks will appear. >> i've been very critical of rishi sunak so far on this programme, but i think this is the first thing that i would say that he's done, which is taking the initiative, i think, you know, insisting on the debates and then insisting on a large number of them, or at least

asking for a large number of them, is quite clever. >> yeah, i mean, what do you think, adrian? >> he's cast himself as the street fighter, the disrupt, even though he's prime minister. >> look, he's got nothing to lose by challenging the incoming or someone we think is going to be the incoming prime minister to a debate. but if i think back to a debate. but if i think back to 97, and again, i keep going back to 97 because this is the most comparable era of politics. i can think of. john major challenged tony blair to a tv debate when they weren't really a thing in this country. they're very americanised type of thing. yeah, and tony blair quite wisely said no, because he knew he was going into number 10. he knew he had the keys in the palm of his hands. he's got everything to lose by doing that. and also you made a good point about the six debates. i mean, goodness me, the tory leadership vote. i mean, the first couple of interesting after that was a snooze fest. >> exactly in 2010 that started the tv debate. and you know what? that led to the rise of nick clegg as a credible politician in this country. clegg mania. yeah. honestly he, he his advisers got him better prepared for those tv debates than either the tories or laboun than either the tories or labour. he did extremely well and it really wrecked all the

predictions for who was going to win . and that's why we ended up win. and that's why we ended up with a coalition because of nick clegg's very impressive performance at that event. six would be far too many, okay, six would be far too many, okay, six would be far too many, okay, six would be too many because nobody would be too many because nobody would listen for the second or the third one. >> a ploy, isn't it? we have had such a short. >> i don't think anybody listen. >> i don't think anybody listen. >> after the second or third round, i'd host one of them. i'll do it for nothing. coming up was the decision to call a snap summer election a political masterstroke or electoral suicide? plus, find out why beer drinkers glasses are only half full. bottoms up. see you in two.

now, some would argue the decision to go for a snap election gives rishi sunak the initiative. on the other hand, some will be furious about a summer election, given they've made holiday plans and many won't want to hear from

politicians as they enjoy wimbledon, glastonbury and the upcoming euros. so is the decision to go early a political masterstroke or suicide ? aiden, masterstroke or suicide? aiden, do you think the public wants to have politicians on tv when the sun is shining outside? they're having barbecues, a cold budweiser? is that really a good moment ? we've not had a july moment? we've not had a july election since 1945. >> you're assuming that the pubuc >> you're assuming that the public are completely consumed by—election coverage. politicos are. and people inside the studio are the wider public. just take what they need in soundees. just take what they need in soundbites . they might see soundbites. they might see something on social media. it's not going to disrupt their viewing of wimbledon. it's not going to disrupt their viewing of the euros . going to disrupt their viewing of the euros. if england are doing well, no one is going, no one's going to. nothing is going to come in between themselves and the television. i'm hosting and the television. i'm hosting a couple of parties myself, irrespective of where the elections taking place. so no, i don't think there's any bearing whatsoever. >> okay. michael what do you think about about whether the pubuc think about about whether the public will engage with politics in the summer months? >> look, i think we all are quite relieved now that an election date has been called because it was a bit like when

you've got the kids in the back of the car. are we there yet, dad? you know what i mean? it was kind of how long does this go on for? you know what i mean? but now we've got a date to go. yeah. now, the point is , yeah. now, the point is, people's minds are going to be focused, and i think it's a brilliant decision by rishi sunak because he's now saying it's me or him. he's made it very presidential okay. and people's minds will be focused. and all this dilly dallying about, oh, i'm going to sit on my hands. i'm not giving my vote to anybody. i think he's going to anybody. i think he's going to point out that if you vote in keir starmer, it will be the most left wing government this country has elected since 1945. and it will be a disaster both for the freedoms of this country and for the economy. >> okay. now labour are very clear. >> they're not going to raise taxes. so that's not left wing. >> they've said, oh, come off it, they've said, they've said they're going to sort out law and order. >> they're going to have come off the civil. >> the civil service will drag them back towards the centre

anyway. >> labour very ahead in the polls. they will defend their record enthusiastically. joanne, i've only got a couple of seconds left , do you think that seconds left, do you think that a july poll might help the tories with the sense that the weather's good and the world doesn't seem so bad? because that was my thought about a november election. if it's snowing, labour will win. >> quick answer is no. i don't think it'll help them. but aren't aren't people? >> aren't people in a good mood in the summer ? in the summer? >> i think it's generally accepted that a lower turnout might help the conservatives. so if people are distracted with these other things, they might not go out to vote for labour. yeah, that is the only logic to having a summer election, as john mark is right, harold wilson won an election in the 60s because he called it in the summer and the weather was good. >> and he banked on people saying the tories in may 1997. no, no. but the feel good factor. he banked on the theory. oh, look, it's sunny. oh, the world's a great place. yeah. yes. the current government i've got very well left for this discussion, but, trading standards officers visited 77

pubs and bars, and they found that basically the beer you were buying was not full, okay. >> under pouring. so you buy a pint, but in fact, you get, you know, five sixth of a pint. yeah. a glass of wine was not a full glass. has this ever happened to you, michael? never. >> because i never hang around and say, chop it up. chop it up. i couldn't care less. give it me . and if it's a nice frothing pint and it's all coming to the head , i'll wait to get it down head, i'll wait to get it down my throat. you know, touch the sides . sides. >> have you ever been short changed with with a drink? >> because not necessarily that we're not getting full a full drink. shrinkflation shrinkflation is happening across the market because the dozy barmaid or bar staff, they don't fill the glass properly. >> no. >> no. >> maybe some. but some people like a big head on a pike. exactly. i was, i was at a thai restaurant. >> i didn't buy the whole bottle i >>i -- >> i wine get the whole bottle. >> i wine get the whole bottle. >> and you know joanne, do we get on the wrong side of you? if they serve you a glass which is not full, does it kick off when you when you short changed? >> no, not at all, actually, because i prefer a half full glass. lets the wine breathe a bit of an opportunity.

>> a optimistic. >> a optimistic. >> well, well, you need a bigger glass. >> the whole the pub industry are actually getting away with millions of pounds at our expense. by not serving. we need it, probably need it. >> pubs pubs are closing all the time. but this morning i was. i ordered a starter at a thai restaurant i got i used to get for money bag, money bag. this morning. this morning to me. yeah, but no lunchtime. i had it was a starter. you get four of these parcels used to you. now you only get three. shrinkflation is not just in pubs. it's everywhere. >> but other parts of you are getting bigger. aidan magee. and one of those is your intellect. can i thank all three of you? i've enjoyed your company. joanne, michael and aidan. good to see you. let me tell you that the brilliant patrick christys is up next. so don't miss that two hours of election fever. i'm back tomorrow for mark dolan tonight from nine. well done to ben , daniel, lottie and the ben, daniel, lottie and the team. see you tomorrow . team. see you tomorrow. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, sponsors of weather on gb news. >> good evening. welcome to your

latest gb news weather update this weekend. it's going to be a bit of a mixed bank holiday. the driest weather expected on saturday for most of us. we'll turn a bit more unsettled as the weekend goes on, but through this evening the pressure pattern really settles down and that will set us up for a much dner that will set us up for a much drier and colder night to come. tonight there are areas of cloud and rain we've seen across northern areas will slowly drift northwards through the next few hours, and these clearer skies across the south will become more widespread, pushing into parts of southern scotland by the morning . there's a chance of the morning. there's a chance of some mist and fog across some southern counties , and it's southern counties, and it's going to be a fresh start. as i say, temperatures could be down as low as three, 3 or 4 degrees across parts of wales southern areas of england as well, but it will warm up fairly quickly as the sun will shine. first thing we could see some sunshine first thing across the north—east of scotland, where we're sheltered from that more southerly wind, thicker cloud though further south and west still some drizzly rain. but i think things will improve through the day

here. elsewhere across much of england and wales it will be a dry and bright start, but some mist and fog may allowed some drizzly rain. notice though, we do have this area of quite persistent rain moving into the south and east. that's moving in from parts of europe, and that could bring some very heavy rain to eastern areas potentially. so a bit of a wet day is on the cards for eastern areas of england . just some areas england. just some areas actually. most of us should stay dry through the day on saturday, andifs dry through the day on saturday, and it's going to feel much warmer than it has done today. highs of around 22 degrees in the south, closer to 19 degrees across the north. but under the cloud it's going to be a bit of a disappointing day. things turn much more unsettled on sunday. bands of showery rain will push north and eastwards through the day. some more persistent rain for northern areas . heavy, for northern areas. heavy, possibly thundery downpours across many central and southern areas and that could bring some localised disruption , perhaps localised disruption, perhaps some flooding and spray on the roads. and it will likely stay unsettled into the half term week . week. >> it looks like things are

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