gb news. >> hello and welcome back to gb news sunday. this is dawn neesom. >> it's lunchtime, and i hope you're having a wonderful weekend out there. the next two hours, i'll be keeping you company on telly, online and on digital radio. cracking show lined up. you don't want to go anywhere for this, right.7 coming up in the first hour, we've got. prime minister has announced mandatory free. although they're not quite national service for 18 year olds. if the conservative party wins the general election, they will be able to apply for one of 30,000 full time military placements or volunteering one weekend a month, carrying out a community service. is this a stroke of genius? a cunning plan , or does genius? a cunning plan, or does it really slightly of desperation? then in shadow, health secretary wes streeting says he won't give striking doctors their demands for 35%

pay doctors their demands for 35% pay rises, all controversial. so even if labour win the election, will we see still see those strikes in the nhs and plans for an independent regulator for football have been put on hold because of yet the general election. but will smaller clubs survive that . long? but this survive that. long? but this show is nothing without you and your views, so let me know your thoughts on everything we're talking about today. anything you want to talk about in general to be honest with you, very simple. to get in touch, visit gbnews.com forward slash your say on your screens. now and join the conversation or message me even more simple on our socials @gbnews. but first, it's me and cameron walker reunited and he's here with your headunes. headlines. >> thanks, dawn. good afternoon. it's 1:01. >> thanks, dawn. good afternoon. it's1:01. i'm cameron walker here in the gb newsroom now.

compulsory national service for 18 year olds will come into force if the conservative party wins the general election. the prime minister says young people will be given a choice between 12 months in the armed forces , 12 months in the armed forces, or one weekend a month volunteering in their community. it's hoped the scheme would help unite society in what rishi sunak called an increasingly uncertain world, while home secretary james cleverly told gb news earlier that no one will be forced into military service. the military bit of this, will be limited to about 30,000 people. >> that bit will be voluntary. so the scheme overall will be compulsory, but the military bit will only be for people who volunteer to do that element of it. >> the home secretary there will the new scheme, which comes on the new scheme, which comes on the first weekend of election campaigning, has the first weekend of election campaigning , has sparked a mixed campaigning, has sparked a mixed reaction from voters. it's a good enough idea. >> yes, it has a good enough idea. >> i wouldn't want to do that, really. >> i've got a 15 and a 17 year

old, so i wouldn't want them to go myself. i think it's a good thing because there isn't a lot of stuff for 18 year olds to do. >> people should be allowed to do what they want to do, not be bullied into doing something that they don't want to. some of them need a lesson in life, don't they ? don't they? >> meanwhile, more people trust sir keir starmer on matters of national security than the prime minister. that's according to a new poll by more in common for the telegraph, the survey also found a majority of people are not confident in britain's ability to defend itself against threats from russia or china, and almost half believe the next few years will be some of the most dangerous the country has ever faced . it comes after rishi ever faced. it comes after rishi sunak promised to increase britain's defence spending to 2.5% of gdp . now a yellow 2.5% of gdp. now a yellow weather warning for thunderstorms has been extended across northern england, the midlands, east anglia and northeast wales. the met office warns slow moving heavy showers could cause flooding and disruption in some areas. 20 to

30mm of rain is expected to fall in just an hour or less in some places, with further warnings in places, with further warnings in place for parts of scotland tomorrow . in ukraine, at least tomorrow. in ukraine, at least four people are dead and dozens of others injured after russian missiles hit a crowded diy store in kharkiv, according to the regional governor. 16 people are still unaccounted for after the bombardment, which still unaccounted for after the bombardment , which left a crater bombardment, which left a crater several metres deep. meanwhile the duchess of edinburgh has written in the sunday times today about her recent trip to ukraine, highlighting survivors stories of war related sexual violence . the prince and violence. the prince and princess of wales have said they are incredibly sad to hear of the death of an raf pilot after yesterday's crash in lincolnshire. the spitfire was flying near raf coningsby when it crashed into a field just before 1:20 pm. yesterday afternoon. in a statement, the prince and princess said their thoughts are with the pilot's loved ones. the battle of

britain memorial flight and the wider raf family. the ministry of defence described it as a tragic accident , of defence described it as a tragic accident, while of defence described it as a tragic accident , while the royal tragic accident, while the royal air force asked that the privacy of the pilots family is respected now. fans were disappointed last night when the pop disappointed last night when the pop star they'd paid to see it, the co—op live arena in manchester, was arrested. nicki minaj was detained in the netherlands after allegedly trying to take soft drugs from schiphol airport to another country. the 41 year old singer of starships and many other hits was later released after spending what she said was 5 to 6 hours in a police cell. she told fans gathered outside her hotel that she'd announced a new date for the show today . the date for the show today. the newly unveiled tallest roller coaster in britain has come to a stop just a day after it opened . stop just a day after it opened. the hyperion at thorpe park in surrey is said to be the fastest in britain and features europe's tallest loop. but in a message posted to social media, the park says that due to unforeseen

circumstance forces the new roller coaster will be closed until wednesday. the rest of the park remains open though, and anyone with pre—booked tickets is eligible for a free return visit . and richard sherman, visit. and richard sherman, whose music delighted generations of disney fans, has died at the age of 95. >> read the birds tuppence a bag, tuppence tuppence, along with brother robert , his music with brother robert, his music became inseparable from the mythology behind some of disney's best known classics. >> the duo won two oscars for their work on the classical musical mary poppins. other credits include the jungle book, chitty chitty bang bang and the forever catchy chin up from charlotte's web . for the latest charlotte's web. for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. common alerts. now it's back to dawn on gb news. sunday.

>> thank you very much, cameron. those disney songs really stick in your head, don't they? i'm going to be singing that feed the birds all the way through the birds all the way through the show. however, i have just sung happy birthday to michael portillo live on air and i don't hate you enough to sing anymore. so apologies for that. your ears are probably still bleeding, but right. okay, we've got a show to get on with, haven't we? so i do also have some cake left over from michael's show. anyway, so let's get straight into today's topics . not the cake. dawn. stop topics. not the cake. dawn. stop it now. the prime minister has announced mandatory national service for 18 year olds. if the conservative party wins this general election, rishi sunak says they'll be given a choice between 12 months in the armed forces or one weekend a month volunteering in their community. he claims the measure would help unite society in an increasingly uncertain world. and i must admit, i play bingo during general election. a little bingo card with all the phrases they trot out, you know , the game.

trot out, you know, the game. it's like, you know, working people, da da da da da. well, that sort of thing. i didn't have national service or conscription on this card, so i'm going to actually be interested and very interested to see what my wonderful panel today make of this . today we're today make of this. today we're joined by gb news, host of the saturday five, the lovely benjamin batchworth and broadcaster and journalist. the very lovely claire martin. so you've got very. i know, thank you've got very. i know, thank you . now, i woke up this you. now, i woke up this morning, as most people did in this country, looked at pretty much every single front page of the sunday newspapers. and it's like this cunning plan to put 18 year olds into some kind of national service, not necessarily military. they can volunteer . and necessarily military. they can volunteer. and as i said, i did not see this one coming. did anyone i mean, claire, what do you make of this? is this a cunning plan or is it desperation or. i don't know what it is, but i don't think it's definitely a vote. clencher, although i am actually for it , i clencher, although i am actually for it, i think it's a really good idea. i think the disenfranchise sized youth of

today needs some direction , and today needs some direction, and they need they need a sense of service as well. and they need to be able to know what service is. >> remember when phoney tony brought in everyone's right to go to university ? go to university? >> oh, yes. you know, it used to be 3 to 6% of school leavers went on to tertiary education. he changed all that, you can do underwater basket weaving. you can learn about taylor swift or , can learn about taylor swift or, you know, whatever. the haters are going to hate golfing management. you know , golfing management. you know, golfing management, that's not real life. and it's why on earth does someone value £9,250 a year in terms of fees ? from an old terms of fees? from an old polytechnic to oxford and cambridge , exactly the same cambridge, exactly the same fees, but the value of the degree is completely different. so therefore, why not do that? we don't have enough skills in this country. we've got nigh on impossibility of getting an apprentice ship. we don't have plumbers, we don't have sparkies, we don't have carpenters. this is a root in this. this gives everyone parity

because no one is beyond it. no one is beneath it. no one is above it. don and i think it's a really good move. okay, benjamin i mean, it's, it's but it's compulsory but it's not compulsory. james cleverly was on very shows this morning saying, well, when we say compulsory, we didn't actually mean compulsory. so it's not actually clear how it's going to work if you refuse to do it. what are the punishments. we don't know that yet. and how is it going to work? and if you're an 18 year old and you're in a full time job, and that can be entirely possible, would you still be forced to do this? so the devil is in the detail is very much in those details . but very much in those details. but do you think this is a good thing? >> well, i mean, it's just nonsense. it was on my election bingo card, was it? >> well, there you go. >> well, there you go. >> it was because you hear especially conservative, but not always politicians , raise this always politicians, raise this when they're they're looking for a headline, you know, pretty much every year since 1963. but look, you know, i think some people would say that bringing in, national service would damage morale, consume resources, be difficult to find

a purpose for these people. oh, that's not my view. that was the government's view on thursday , government's view on thursday, when the defence minister answered a question about whether the government would introduce national service and the ministry for defence said no. and said all those things i just read out. so between thursday and saturday, when they will have given these story to the sunday papers , they have had the sunday papers, they have had a complete u—turn. so the idea that they're going to do this is nonsense. this is desperate electioneering and i think, you know, when they're thinking about bringing back national service, have they thought about, i don't know, bringing back doctors or police or a functioning nhs? i think those might be far more useful things for the government to spend its resources. >> okay. but i mean, earlier this year, claire, we did have the head of the army , general the head of the army, general sir patrick sanders, saying that we do need a citizen's army because the situation in europe is, is getting more and more dangerous. we know even france who, you know, are quite libertarian . yeah. are starting libertarian. yeah. are starting a similar campaign , sweden have

a similar campaign, sweden have ramped their national. well geographically, 12 of the european countries actually have some form of national, subscription national conscription. and i think it, you know, this has been brought out. i don't think it's been very well managed by the conservatives i really don't think it's been very well thought through. we had tobias ellwood on earlier as well in other channels. james cleverly , other channels. james cleverly, as you've all rightly said, say gaining perspective on what the optic is on this. but going back to your point, i think it will be a really good drive for recruitment for the military . i recruitment for the military. i really, really do because we needit really, really do because we need it and we will hear voices saying, but the children that we're talking about, coming through to, to come up to age 18, they've been through covid, they've missed lessons, they've done. maybe this is the answer. maybe this is actually what they need. >> i just find it so unbelievably patronising , you unbelievably patronising, you know the fact. >> are you a parent, benjamin? >> are you a parent, benjamin? >> no i'm not. >> no i'm not. >> well, i'm a parent of four, okay. and i think it's really

important that parents get behind this as well because in terms of discipline, in terms of parity, in terms of knowing what it's like for young disenfranchised children out there , i think this is a great, there, i think this is a great, great channel. >> it's nice to hear the andrea leadsom answer of if you're not a parent, you apparently can't know what it's like. >> you don't need to throw slurs. >> the fact is, well, you just throw it. you just tried to, i didn't. i asked you if your children parent. >> i asked you if you had children. that was it, not a slur. >> the fact is that , you know, >> the fact is that, you know, young people in this country. and by that i probably mean under 40 because it's been going on for the mid—noughties . you on for the mid—noughties. you know, their chances of getting on the housing ladder are extremely difficult, especially if they've had to move to a city for work. their pay has been stagnant since 2008. there have been two recessions in my adult working life. you know , the working life. you know, the quality of access to services is much worse than it was a generation ago. i think the government would do much better to be helping young people, to feel like they have a stake in society , by letting them have society, by letting them have things like a home that they can afford, that would give them the

sense of solidarity. that is some in some ways missing. not trying to force them, not trying to force somebody who , you know, to force somebody who, you know, the millions of young people that work perfectly hard, get on in life, are perfectly good kids, and then saying they have to go and maybe give up their saturday. we're talking about 800 to 800,000 young, young people. i haven't finished my point . that people. i haven't finished my point. that has to give up their weekend jobs and then go and, you know, sit in the nhs doing a job that the government should be funding from proper staff, 3 million under 25. >> so 800 enacted and 800,000 school leavers across this country with perhaps nothing to go to. and i'm sorry to sit here and prevaricate benjamin that you that people cannot afford to get on the housing ladder , that get on the housing ladder, that infrastructure in terms of health service, etc, is failing. it's failing every single person in this country , not just the in this country, not just the under 40. as you've as you've highlighted there. and i think to remove these people, to remove these 18 year olds actually might benefit the whole of society, not just people who are whingeing in actually , i are whingeing in actually, i think people of your generation, people of mine , i'm obviously

people of mine, i'm obviously slightly older than you. i've actually had it easier than a lot of people who have fought in world wars, who have lost their lives and who have lost everything in terms of moving forward in society. i think we need to underpin it and make and underpin it only from the youth of today, and to give anyone parity across that and industry and discipline is a good thing. >> sorry, why don't you do it? >> sorry, why don't you do it? >> i would do it if they asked. >> i would do it if they asked. >> so you would every month you would go and you'd go and spend a 12 months of your year as one of these suggestions in a weekend. >> i've worked in the nhs to give back. >> is that and you say there's 800,000 economically inactive. i didn't see that . didn't see that. >> there's 3 million. no, 2.7 to 3 million in no. and dawn actually said that i said there's 800,018 year olds. that's the fact . and 3 million that's the fact. and 3 million under 25. yeah. >> and only 30,000 places on the scheme. so which is a smaller number than the fall in recruitment of army army places in the armed forces in the last few years. so it won't even fill

the gap if all those people took up those spaces of how diminished the military is in the last few years. >> if you if you if they did extend it to your, your, your age group, which they're not going to it's, it's a bit of a hypothetical question, but and you were like that, you think i might be 18, but carry on. i know exactly how old you are, but if they did and it's targeted at your age group and they said it was compulsory, what would your reaction be? would you go on to it if it was compulsory? >> i mean, look, it's never going to happen. well, if we were, but you just asked me if were, but you just asked me if we were going to go to war, then clearly i would see things very differently . but it's just a differently. but it's just a nonsense idea because what has happenedis nonsense idea because what has happened is that there is a generation that has had their stake in society undermined on an economic level that is causing so many problems in this country. and the idea that you then offer potentially another punishment, then i just think is ridiculous. the idea that you tell people they shouldn't go to work in sweden, norway, denmark , work in sweden, norway, denmark, france, they all think it's a good idea. >> estonia, finland, moldova, lithuania , greece, belarus, austria. >> i mean , many of them. denmark

>> i mean, many of them. denmark countries are much closer to a threat. and so the sort of the nature of the threat that they face and the likelihood of it happening is much greater as as we've seen to our difficulty in the last two years. look, the fact is that this would cost £2.5 billion. who knows where they came up with that number. >> chances are it could be more cunous >> chances are it could be more curious about how they'd done the maths, and they say that we'll fund it by chasing tax evasion . evasion. >> well, i can't help but think if they found £2 billion to raise from tax evasion , why raise from tax evasion, why haven't they done that already? >> okay, it's interesting because last year onward, which is a centre right think tank, they they came up with this idea and they put it to a poll of people to see what they thought. and it's an independent poll, by the way , and three times as many the way, and three times as many young people aged 16 to 21 actually supported a similar scheme. now we've been out doing a vox pop today to see what people on the street have been saying. so should we have a listen to what some of those comments were about? this >> yeah, that's a good enough idea. >> yes, it has a good enough idea. >> some of them need a lesson in

life, don't they? yeah, well, people should be allowed to do what they want to do, not be bullied into doing something that they don't want to . that they don't want to. >> i think it's wrong, really. i've got a 15 and a 17 year old, so i wouldn't want them to go myself . but anybody that gets myself. but anybody that gets sent to prison for serious crimes and paedophiles and etc, i think they should do it . save i think they should do it. save the prison government money, go to the army and learn a hard lesson. i think it's a good thing because there aren't a lot of stuff for 18 year olds to do. like when i was 18, i went to an apprenticeship, so. but there aren't many of them about either . so yeah, i think it's a good thing. >> not really, but i do understand why he's doing it, because a lot of our, a lot of younger generation wants everything for nothing nowadays. you know, they sit on the backsides at home, they don't do a great deal. so it might in some cases maybe, but not full blown . blown. >> claire, you, by the sounds of it, would be happy for your for. yeah for offspring to go and my

youngest is 20 so they've kind of like leapfrogged that. but if they were there. yes. because they've seen me run things for society . they've seen me help society. they've seen me help out the nhs, they've seen me do a myriad of things to help cohesive society. and that sense of giving, that sense of service that i'm afraid, is completely lacking in the younger generations. surely that would help. i mean , it would help help. i mean, it would help maybe a sense of having, you know, we heard that there are people that don't know what to do with their lives, a sense of, you know, identity, identity, cohesion. well it isn't to say that people shouldn't be able to do these things. >> that would that would be a quite different argument, which is kind of the implication of what you're saying. there are people that will benefit from these things. i, for example , these things. i, for example, was in, you know, the beavers, the cubs, the scouts, you know, and that achieved a lot of the aims that we refer to . and i aims that we refer to. and i would, you know, if i had kids, i'd encourage them to do that. i think it's hugely beneficial. but the question is about spending billions of pounds on forcing some people that won't want to do it, for whom it's not a useful , way to want to do it, for whom it's not a useful, way to spend their time taking people that are

working incredibly hard, for example, at their a levels, at their degree , maybe already have their degree, maybe already have kids as some, you know, people will by 18 taking them away from that and forcing them to do this. i think it's just impractical on many levels. and if we really wanted young people to have a better stake in society, then we'd try and restructure the economy so that the job opportunities and the financial situation they can achieve means that they feel a sense of responsibility to the world around them when the world around them isn't treating them as well as it did a generation ago. >> oh, poor souls not being treated well in society . get treated well in society. get your coat and leave if that is the case, not you , benjamin, but the case, not you, benjamin, but in terms of the younger disenfranchised generation , i disenfranchised generation, i think that's completely and utterly implausible. most young people aren't aren't disenfranchised. >> they aren't lazy. you know, this generation is getting higher grades, smokes less, dnnks higher grades, smokes less, drinks less, doesn't do drugs . drinks less, doesn't do drugs. it's the healthiest generation we've ever had. and you talk about them like they're all reprobates , we do as i say. just reprobates, we do as i say. just patronise you. there are 3 million under 25 who are economically inactive, but that's because we've got an economic situation where the opportunities and the security

isn't there, that it once was. >> the security of a job, the security of a job is so much worse than it was for their parents generation. >> okay. right. we have to leave it there. we're i'm running out of time, unfortunately, but for all the best analysis and opinion on that story, it's really, really hot topic, isn't it? go to our website gb news. com, now if you are one of those inactive under 25 year olds, we keep banging on about, here's a chance you could actually win 20 grand. to be honest with you, it's our great british giveaway and don't miss out lines are going to close this friday i think. so here's all the details you need to get your chance to win that money. it's the final week to see how you can win a whopping £20,000 cash. >> and because it's totally tax free, every single penny will be in your bank account to do whatever you like. >> with £20,000 in tax free cash. really could be yours this summer. hurry as lines close on friday, you've got to be in it to win it for another chance to

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radio. happy bank holiday weekend. hope you have a wonderful sunday out there now . wonderful sunday out there now. shadow health secretary wes streeting has said he won't give striking doctors their demands for 35% pay rises. he said he wants to work with doctors in a respectful way, but will need to negotiate . pay is speaking at negotiate. pay is speaking at the hay festival. he discussed plans for the nhs if labour wins, where he'll inherit record waiting lists and ongoing pay disputes. it's not going to be an easy one to sort out that one, is it? and wes streeting has given a very strong interview with his plans, actually not sitting on the fence for once. so let's see what our panel maker, this one i have claire muldoon and benjamin butterworth with me still and benjamin coming to you first on this one, wes streeting to reform the nhs, he's not he's not going to let unions dictate how he's run. we need to clear it up. we might use private health care. all the things that if a tory had said it, they would have a hissy fit from people saying, oh my god, you're privatising the nhs. lots of people are thinking, wes streeting interview today actually makes a lot of sense. >> well , i

actually makes a lot of sense. >> well, i mean, he says rather boldly, the nhs is not the envy of the world. and i think when we've got 7.5 million people on waiting lists, then that's probably a pretty healthy position to start from because it's an unacceptable situation. i think the fact that the unions want this 35% rise now, that number is based on what their pay number is based on what their pay would be today if it had continued to rise in line with inflation since 2010. so actually, there's a fairly reasonable explanation, you know, story they're trying to tell with that figure. but clearly it's not going to happen. and i think, you know, it's reassuring that he's sensible enough to not hide away from that , i also think that, from that, i also think that, you know, we have a problem that the nhs just doesn't have either the nhs just doesn't have either the right number of staff or the staff in the right places. and i think these are problems that are not going to be solved overnight. they might not be solved in the space of five years. it takes longer than that to train a doctor. and so i think there needs to be a heavy dose of expectation management with someone that's going to take this problem on. >> but i mean, you know, the

bma, very, very powerful union. and as we know, it's the unions that pay vast amounts of money to the labour party. yes, exactly. how are they going to get around this one? well, they're going to have to, because they have at least a man with conviction , a man with with conviction, a man with moral standing, with moral fibre , and a man who seems to know exactly what is needed at, you know, at the level of the nhs in terms of doing it. it was nigel lawson who affirmed the nhs to be some sort of religious state in this country. be some sort of religious state in this country . and wes in this country. and wes streeting quotes him in his article in the telegraph today. and i think it is completely right . i and i think it is completely right. i think in and i think it is completely right . i think in 1948, when nye right. i think in 1948, when nye bevan set the nhs up, it was set there for all it was meant for. it freed it free at point of sale, at point of interest, a point of consultation. but now you it's like a menu. it depends on how you feel, how you perceive yourself to look, how you want to be. you know, there's a lot of that and it's there's a lot of that and it's

the menu of the nhs that is crippling the nhs. the nhs today has never been more funded in real terms than it is today, and i think we have to look and i think he is the man to reform it. everyone says how wonderful the nhs is. this model's beautiful, this model's perfect . beautiful, this model's perfect. it's so perfect. it's not replicated in any other country in the world. and yet we we've just we've just seen the end of the infected blood scandal. the worst ever. absolutely. the worst ever. absolutely. the worst ever. absolutely. the worst ever scandal to have , come worst ever scandal to have, come out of the nhs. and it's absolutely appalling. that was disgusting. in fact, gb news had one of the victims on breakfast dunng one of the victims on breakfast during the week, and it was so humbling to hear her story, to hear her voice. now the nhs has an issue with whistleblowing. it has an issue with workplace bullying and who cares for the carers . that indeed bullying and who cares for the carers. that indeed is bullying and who cares for the carers . that indeed is the bullying and who cares for the carers. that indeed is the old adage but i'm sorry, i think if labour and i think it's looking highly likely that labour will

get in, i hope wes streeting remains as health secretary because i think he's got his finger on the pulse. he unintended . well, he's talking unintended. well, he's talking a lot of sense. he is everybody and wes streeting himself has had cancer and was treated on the nhs. so he has had personal experience of what it is like to be treated. but i mean, we can't deny benjamin it's not fit for purpose anymore. is it? we need to do something. >> i mean, i think that's quite different to saying that the model is fundamentally can't work because the highest approval ratings in the nhs history were in 2009 ten, the final year of the last labour government. so, you know, labour has a really strong record on this. i think actually what happenedin this. i think actually what happened in 1997 as well is that wes streeting is suggesting that you use the spare capacity, which remarkably exists in the private sector for this in private sector for this in private hospitals and that you pay private hospitals and that you pay that money to get people through. and this is about the fact that there are we've talked about it earlier. there are a lot of people who are off work at the moment with long term sickness and what you've got is a scenario where people have

mild ailments that have got so much worse and making their health worse. it means that they're off work for years at a time. and i think the money to put into private hospitals to get those people treated, whether it's in knee or hip, those kind of problems, is money well spent because those people can get back to work, they can pay can get back to work, they can pay taxes and they can have a quality of life that isn't possible. and so i think that is money that should be spent and will come back pretty quickly. >> so i mean, as clare said, we do spend an awful lot of money on the nhs, a system that isn't working . is it? more money? working. is it? more money? >> but one of the problems we have that is often not mentioned is the change in demographics. you know , the proportion of our you know, the proportion of our population that is , of population that is, of pensionable age is bigger than it's ever been , and people are it's ever been, and people are living much longer. and so what that means is that you have a lot of people, millions of people who will potentially get multiple serious health issues. and that puts a great strain on the nhs. and it's a it's an issue that's not really been sufficiently planned for another big talking point. >> now let us know what you think. remember right, i'm dawn

neesom gb news and there's loads more coming up on today's show. but first, cameron walker is waiting very patiently with those headlines for you . those headlines for you. >> dawn thank you. it's 133. those headlines for you. >> dawn thank you. it's133. i'm cameron walker here in the gb newsroom now. compulsory national service for 18 year olds will come into force if the conservative party wins the general election. the prime minister says young people will be given a choice between 12 months in the armed forces , or months in the armed forces, or one weekend a month volunteering in their community. labour described it as a headline grabbing gimmick. more than 500 migrants have crossed the channelin migrants have crossed the channel in small boats this bank houday channel in small boats this bank holiday weekend. home office data shows that 227 people crossed illegally from france yesterday . it follows another yesterday. it follows another 288 arrivals in five boats on friday. it takes the total so far this year to nearly 10,400 more people trust sir keir

starmer on matters of national security than the prime minister. that's according to a new poll by more in for common the telegraph. the survey also found a majority of people are not confident in britain's ability to defend itself from russia or china, and almost half believe the next few years will believe the next few years will be some of the most dangerous the country has ever faced . in the country has ever faced. in ukraine, at least four people are dead and dozens of others injured after russian missiles hit a crowded diy store in kharkiv, according to the regional governor. 16 people are still unaccounted for after the bombardment, which left a crater several metres deep . meanwhile, several metres deep. meanwhile, the duchess of edinburgh has written in the sunday times today about her recent trip to ukraine, highlighting survivors stories of war related sexual violence . for the latest violence. for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gb news. common alerts .

news. common alerts. >> thank you very much, cameron are much fresher now. lots of you have been getting in touch. very heated debate here in the studio with claire and benjamin, but lots of people are getting in touch, saying we require this is from . who is this from? this is from. who is this from? this is from. who is this from? this is from. who is this from? this is from mark. the thing is, patriots are proud of the children who would serve. of course, everyone would worry about them. but we need to do this. this is in support of the government's suggestion that they have our, a national service, but it's all a bit the devil is in the details, and we haven't been told all the details yet, but please do get all your comments coming in loads of you talking about that one, so it's very easy to do as well. you just visit gbnews.com forward slash. it's on your screen there and join the conversation. or message me on the socials @gbnews. now there is loads more coming up on today's show , we're waiting for, today's show, we're waiting for, we're waiting for a minister to come on as well. but i mean, yeah, they're keeping us waiting, i'm dawn neesom and

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oh. welcome back. so i've got a mouthful of cake, very sugary and sweet. it is as well. welcome back. gb news sunday. this is dawn neesom on your telly, online and on digital radio. hope you're having a wonderful sunday lunchtime out there. not eating too much cake like i am now, the general election. we have to talk about it because there's nothing else happening. is there plans for an independent regulator for football have been put on hold because of. yes, that there general election more fc because of. yes, that there general election more ec is one club that could be on the brink of going bust after being up for sale for almost two years without a potential buyer . our without a potential buyer. our reporter, jack carson, has been to morecambe to find out what losing the club could mean to this town . this town. >> aukus carolina, a seaside football club that's getting closer to the cliff edge. morecambe fc has been owned by

jason whittingham from bond group investments since 2018, but now the club's fans, players and board want him gone. the club has been up for sale for almost two years and this week its directors warned whittingham he needs to accept an offer to avoid a catastrophic outcome. james main is the secretary of the shrimps trust morecambe's supporters club, and has been going to games since he was one. well, it's just such a sense of uncertainty at the moment, and really it's sort of a make or break situation now , people at break situation now, people at the club are worried about, whether they're going to receive their next pay packet . their next pay packet. >> there has been success under whittingham's time at the club with promotion to league one, england's third division. but over the last few years, failure to pay staff wages on time and a points deduction means relationships at the club have boiled over. >> we watch as out everyone takes up a separate issue of a transfer embargo on the club over funds owed to hmrc, means

it's unclear how many players they will have at the start of next season, and that's caused concern about survival. >> so how would you feel then, if this club ceased to exist, i would be absolutely devastated if that was to happen. you know, i've had friends say to me, which team would you support if morecambe went out of business? well, in reality it's morecambe's my club . morecambe's my club. >> two minutes down the road from the stadium is the william mitchell pub landlord steve hewlett is also worried at the prospect . prospect. >> it's not just the home fans, it's the away fans as well , so it's the away fans as well, so losing morecambe football club would be a mega mr. trade, especially on match days. there is a lot of big clubs, away clubs and you know you get a lot of away supporters as well. he would make a massive difference if anything happened to the club. >> in march, the government introduced the football governance bill, which set out to establish an independent football regulator. fans of clubs like morecambe will be hoping it's given proper powers

to protect them. mp for morecambe and lonsdale, david morris, says the bill includes tougher tests before a potential takeover. >> both stricter tests for them to become an owner in the first place. >> and obviously, you know , >> and obviously, you know, legislation in place to have good governance and good housekeeping. >> so we're not in a position where we're it's a stalemate where, you know, we're seeing financial irregularities going on with the club, meaning players not being paid and management not being paid, and all the rest of it . and then all the rest of it. and then we're in a position where we can't sell the club. so you know, we don't want to see this club go under. that's the last thing we want to see. >> watched over by its most famous fan and former president eric morecambe, this town will be hoping a football regulator can bring them sunshine in their football clubs. darkest times . football clubs. darkest times. jack carson gb news morecambe . jack carson gb news morecambe. >> thank you very much, jack, amazing , we. yeah. okay, this is amazing, we. yeah. okay, this is dawn neesom gb news on sunday.

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welcome back to gb news sunday, beth mead dawn neesom on your telly. online and on digital radio. and it's all happening here today . i radio. and it's all happening here today. i can radio. and it's all happening here today . i can tell radio. and it's all happening here today. i can tell you radio. and it's all happening here today . i can tell you now here today. i can tell you now we are waiting to hear rachel reeves, the shadow chancellor, talk , but she's keeping us talk, but she's keeping us waiting. why wouldn't you? now, she has said economic stability can only come with a change of government, she is expected to announce tough spending rules when she turns up to a grow the economy and keep taxes, inflation and mortgages as low as possible. as i said, we are expecting her to take to the stage soon. come on, rachel , but stage soon. come on, rachel, but as i said, economic stability is only possible under rachel, who

hasn't turned up on time and laboun hasn't turned up on time and labour. claire, you're doing that thing that you look there that thing that you look there that claire is . mum of four that claire is. mum of four rolls her eyes so brilliantly. i can't tell you if you're listening on radio. they're almost rolling over the bar across the desk . yeah, right. go across the desk. yeah, right. go on. well, we have had 16 years of conservative government. who needs reminding of that? where everything i think has gone down the tubes . not so much everything i think has gone down the tubes. not so much as everything i think has gone down the tubes . not so much as they the tubes. not so much as they have gone down in scotland under the snp. but things have been tough globally and i think we were all we always look through the optics . we're quite myopic the optics. we're quite myopic in this country when we define what's good and what's bad and who's to blame for it, because we're not too good at taking blame. you know, we're very good at apportioning it, but too not good at taking accountability for actions. now we live in a very democratic country. i hope people run on july the 4th to vote, because let's on, let's be honest , if vote, because let's on, let's be honest, if you don't vote, because let's on, let's be honest , if you don't vote, you honest, if you don't vote, you can't complain. complain. so go and vote. vote for whoever now. rachel reeves i mean , is it a rachel reeves i mean, is it a bold statement? the only way to

economic recovery is with a labour government? well, i think that's a very bold statement from her, because i think she will be the one that will be tested and held accountable for that very bold statement. benjamin just quickly, because i think we might we might actually have some action somewhere in the political world. who knows? but very quickly, i mean, rachel reevesis but very quickly, i mean, rachel reeves is saying that labour are the party to trust on the economy . economy. >> well, if you look at what happened under the last labour government and what's happened under the five prime ministers of the conservatives in the last 14 years, then the numbers are much better . when labour 14 years, then the numbers are much better. when labour was in power, you know, you had every single quarter that tony blair was prime minister. you had economic growth . and when you economic growth. and when you got the global financial crash, it recovered rather better than some of the scenarios that we've seen in the last couple of years with covid. and i think that we have a problem that there is a fundamental issue here, which is that people's pay doesn't afford a quality of life. >> sorry, benjamin, we do have to interrupt now , as i said, the to interrupt now, as i said, the election campaign is underway now, and it's the fourth day of

people going to the polls, which is the 4th of july, just in case you've forgotten, i'm actually very happy now to say that i'm being joined by former conservative party leader sir iain duncan smith, sir ian, thank you very much for joining us this afternoon. really appreciate your time , so, ian, appreciate your time, so, ian, there's a story in the telegraph traditionally very conservative newspaper, saying that the way the conservatives have launched their election campaign is pretty poor. and any more blunders and they are going to lose even more votes. what do you make of that? >> well, it's classic sort of, westminster bubble nonsense , westminster bubble nonsense, really, you know, all sorts of things happen at the beginnings of campaigns. things happen at the beginnings of campaigns . i've seen so many of campaigns. i've seen so many of campaigns. i've seen so many of them now, what about 11, elections, little bits and things happen. things always go right when you launch a campaign in terms of the visuals. but the reality is about the facts . and reality is about the facts. and i think the truth is, most of the public are looking at what the public are looking at what the retail offer is from both major parties and possibly others, to decide whether or not they think we as the

conservatives are more likely to be able to continue with that growth and structure , bringing growth and structure, bringing interest rates down and inflation down and getting the economy growing faster than the other nations, which is what's happening at the moment, or whether labour actually, we don't really know what labour's policy is, but labour say they can be the ones or will be the ones. i'd like to know how they're going to do it. >> well, we are waiting to talk to you or listen to rachel reeves, but , you know, to you or listen to rachel reeves, but, you know, she obviously hasn't turned up. you have. thank you very much for that as well. but i mean, it has to be said that this it was it was an election that was sprung on us. i mean, i don't think anyone was really expecting it. and to launch it by standing in a rain shower without an umbrella, i mean, the optics of that just started, you know, off on so the wrong foot. and we'll never forget that now. well you don't mind me saying so. >> i think that's for you lot in the media to debate not a single constituent. and i've done a lot of campaigning in the last five years and a lot over the last week, and not one single constituent has raised that issue with me. what they're interested in is what happens to their lives and what is actually

their lives and what is actually the choice all about, and that's what changes things. sure, you know, you might have done it slightly differently, or maybe we should have done it inside, but these things are marginal issues . i'll but these things are marginal issues. i'll be but these things are marginal issues . i'll be honest with you, issues. i'll be honest with you, this is really all about who is going to be able to make sure that people's lives are ultimately going to be better. we've come out of two of the biggest crashes you can possibly imagine far bigger. by the way, as i saw earlier on, one of your commentators saying he compared it to the banking crash. this was way bigger. we've shut down global economies, for god's sake, for nearly two years. and then we had the invasion of ukraine. i've been on the front line in ukraine on three occasions, helping with the charity. so these are big crashes that led to the massive problems with the economy. so these are what we're trying to get through. the government is doing that and moving on. so all i say is compare what each each one of the parties would want to do. and that's the way you do it. >> not look at whether, with all respect you say that , you know, respect you say that, you know, the gaffes, you know, and there have been plenty of them, you know, the rain being one of them, going to wells and talking

about football and they haven't qualified for the euros. these are making a difference because in a poll today for, i think, the mail on sunday, you know, people are taking notice. people are being asked, you know, who has had the best campaign launch so far? 18% of respondents said, our rishi sunak, while 40% said keir starmer. so these are getting through. this is a message that people are picking up on. >> i just don't think it's to do with what makes the difference in their lives, i generally don't. yeah, you'd love to be wonderfully slick and brilliant at this. sometimes things don't go right with the key question is, do you get the messages across and do people believe you? and that's the key element. so with respect, i wasn't really here to talk about this. i was here, i thought, to talk about the national service idea . the national service idea. >> right. well, we can certainly ask you about that national service idea. i mean , i think a service idea. i mean, i think a lot of us woke up this morning and saw the front pages of the newspapers and were surprised that that had come up, it does sound , though, that the devil is sound, though, that the devil is in the detail and we're not

really being given the detail. accusations are that this is another idea that's been scratched out on the back of a fag packet . fag packet. >> i think it's a brilliant idea. i've been arguing for it for some time. it's not national service in the same way that we had it before. it's not all about, going into the military. there is an element of the military, but the main part about this is something i think is being debated by a lot of young people as well, to give them a better start in life and to put something back into the community. so working with community. so working with community groups and charities is really important. i set up the centre for social justice. we work all over the country with small community groups and charity. they're always talking about getting more young people involved is what they want to do. it's giving people a sense of themselves as well. i served in the military. i went on to active service, and i tell you, i learned more about people and about myself in those areas because that teaches you self—discipline and understanding how you can respect others. it'll also bring religious communities in the uk together in a way that we've got together in a way that we've got to divided. i think this is

excellent. and the old national service was all military. this is only a small part military, but the principles of that are to be embedded in this. and i think it's a great idea. sure, there's more to be discussed as there's more to be discussed as the government said the royal commission, but i think this is absolutely excellent, and i think most people will recognise that this will help a lot. and also , by the way, i'd extend it also, by the way, i'd extend it even further. i talk about 15 and 16 year olds being involved because, you know, a lot of those kids in different communities end up in street gangs, in criminal work. and i think the real thing is to get them out and give them a sense of purpose, too. >> so you think we should actually extend this to even younger people? thank you very much. we have we've run out of time. thank you very much for joining us today. thank you . joining us today. thank you. that was sir ian duncan smith. now i'm dawn neesom mrs. gb news sunday. and here's the weather headunes sunday. and here's the weather headlines with craig. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello there. welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast

from the met office. we're looking ahead to the next few days. looking ahead to the next few days . it does look like it's days. it does look like it's going to remain fairly unsettled across the country. further spells of rain and showers. it's all courtesy of this area of low pressure, which unfortunately is not going to go very far as we move through the rest of this bank holiday weekend. so as we end sunday, plenty of rain and showers out there, some of these showers out there, some of these showers still quite heavy and thundery. warnings are in force throughout the evening, but it will turn drier and clearer across many parts of england and wales and under the clear skies it will turn a little bit chilly, temperatures falling into single figures here but further north under the cloud and rain remaining fairly mild for the time of year. so we start bank holiday monday off on a fairly bright and sunny note across many eastern and central parts of england . further west parts of england. further west across south—west england, parts of wales showers from the word go here and further north across northern england and northern ireland. quite a grey start. some outbreaks of rain. similar story really for southern scotland. risk of some persistent rain here for a time where further north across

scotland some brightness around, but also a little bit of mist and merc two moving towards lunchtime . many of us will see lunchtime. many of us will see the risk of a few showers across many southern and central parts of the country. the showers should be a little bit fewer and lighter compared to today, where further north. still, the risk of some thundery downpours, especially across north eastern parts of scotland. and for all of us, it'll be a little bit of a cooler day compared to today. i think at best the high teens across the south. then looking ahead towards the middle part of the week, unfortunately we're still going to see low pressure remaining in charge, but there are hints as we head towards thursday, this area of high pressure will begin to topple in, and that may well set us up for a little bit more in the way of brightness, especially across the west. but in the meantime , the west. but in the meantime, tuesday, wednesday certainly remaining fairly showery temperatures around average for the time of year. >> looks like things are heating up . boxt boilers sponsors of

gb news. >> hello and welcome back to gb news sunday. what a day. politicians all over the shop, right , thank you for joining us right, thank you for joining us this lunchtime. really appreciate your time. bank houday appreciate your time. bank holiday weekend . hope you having holiday weekend. hope you having a good one. now. i'm dawn neesom for the next hour. be keeping you company on tv, online and on digital radio. cracking show coming up. so don't go anywhere now. our politics is broken, says the lib dems. and the conservatives have to go as sir ed davey launches his general election campaign, we're expecting to hear from him very shortly and we'll be there live , shortly and we'll be there live, hopefully. and then labour's plan to impose vat on private schools could force many of them to close. but could this create even more problems for them down the line as well? and this is my favourite bit . 70% of pints and favourite bit. 70% of pints and glasses of wine being poured in uk bars and pubs are short

served. are you getting bang for your buck at the pub? we'll be putting this to the test because it's me and i . can. and it's it's me and i. can. and it's a bank holiday sunday lunch time this show is nothing without you and your views though, so let me know your thoughts on all the stories we'll be discussing today by visiting gbnews.com forward slash your say and join the conversation or message me even more simply @gbnews. but first, we've made it to the headunes first, we've made it to the headlines with cameron walker . headlines with cameron walker. >> dawn thank you. it's 2:01. i'm cameron walker here in the gb newsroom. now first to some breaking news. six passengers and six crew have been injured dunng and six crew have been injured during turbulence on a flight from doha to dublin. dublin airport said emergency services attended after 12 people reported injuries during the qatar airways flight , which qatar airways flight, which landed safely as scheduled

shortly before 1:00 pm on sunday. this is a developing story, so we'll bring you more as we get it to other news, compulsory national service for 18 year olds will come into force if the conservative party wins the general election. the prime minister says young people will be given a choice between 12 months in the armed forces , 12 months in the armed forces, or one weekend a month volunteering in their community. it's hopes the scheme would help unite society in what rishi sunak called an increasingly uncertain world. home secretary james cleverly told gb news earlier that no one will be forced into military service. >> the military bit of this will be limited to about 30,000 people. that bit will be voluntary, so the scheme overall will be compulsory. but the military bit will only be for people who volunteer to do that element of it. >> well, the new scheme, which comes on the first weekend of election campaigning, has sparked a mixed reaction from voters. >> it's a good enough idea.

>> it's a good enough idea. >> yes, it has a good enough idea. >> i wouldn't want to do that, really. >> i've got a 15 and a 17 year old, so i wouldn't want them to go myself . i think it's a good go myself. i think it's a good thing because there isn't a lot of stuff for 18 year olds to do. >> people should be allowed to do what they want to do, not be bullied into doing something that they don't want to. some of them need a lesson in life, don't they ? don't they? >> next, more than 500 migrants have crossed the channel in small boats this bank holiday weekend. home office data shows that 227 people crossed illegally from france yesterday. it follows another 288 arrivals in five boats on friday, taking the total so far this year to nearly 10,400 more. people trust sir keir starmer on matters of national security than the prime minister. that's according to a new poll by more in for common the telegraph. the survey also found a majority of people are not confident in britain's ability to defend itself against

threats from russia or china, and almost half believe the next few years will be some of the most dangerous. the country has ever faced. it comes as rishi sunak promised to increase britain's defence spending to 2.5% of gdp . in ukraine, at 2.5% of gdp. in ukraine, at least four people are dead and dozens of others injured after russian missiles hit a crowded diy store in kharkiv, according to the regional governor. 16 people are still unaccounted for after the bombardment, which left a crater several metres deep. left a crater several metres deep . meanwhile, the duchess of deep. meanwhile, the duchess of edinburgh has written in the sunday times today about her recent trip to ukraine, highlighting survivors stories of war related sexual violence . of war related sexual violence. now fans were left disappointed last night when the pop star they'd paid to see at the co—op live arena in manchester was arrested. nicki minaj was detained in the netherlands after allegedly trying to take soft drugs from schiphol airport to another country. the 41 year old singer of starships and many

other hits was later released after spending what she says was 5 to 6 hours in a police cell, she told fans gathered outside her hotel that she'd announced a new date for the show later today. new date for the show later today . the newly unveiled today. the newly unveiled tallest roller coaster in britain has come to a stop just days after it opened. the hypena days after it opened. the hyperia at thorpe park in surrey is said to be the fastest in britain and features europe's tallest loop. but in a message posted on social media, the park says that due to unforeseen circumstances , the new roller circumstances, the new roller coaster will be closed until wednesday. the rest of the park remains open though, and anyone with pre—booked tickets is eligible for a free return visit . and richard sherman, whose music delighted generations of disney fans, has died at the age of 95. >> he'd the birds tuppence a bag, tuppence tuppence, along with his brother robert, his music became inseparable from

the mythology behind some of disney's best known classics. >> the duo won two oscars for their work on the classic musical mary poppins. other credits include the jungle book, chitty chitty bang bang and the forever catchy chin up from charlotte's web . for the latest charlotte's web. for the latest story, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gbnews.com/alerts . now it's back gbnews.com/alerts. now it's back to dawn on gb news. sunday. >> thank you very much, cameron. right, okay. so much to get through . it's a really packed through. it's a really packed show. so let's get straight into the topic, shall we? we're expecting to hear from the leader of the liberal democrats , leader of the liberal democrats, ed davey soon. and when he arrives, we'll go straight to him. so we are jumping about a bit today, but that's because we have got politicians coming to us live and they're not always reliable. but to give us an idea of what he's up to, here's our deputy political editor, tom harwood . harwood. >> we're here in south cambridgeshire, a vital target

for the liberal democrats. >> while they haven't been hitting the major headlines with a national campaign , the liberal a national campaign, the liberal democrats do tend to dig in in specific areas and fight a highly targeted battle . it's not highly targeted battle. it's not about the wider vote share for the lib dems. it's more about those targets and getting the vote out where it counts . and vote out where it counts. and here in south cambridgeshire could be one of those seats. it's been tory for as long as people can remember, but recently the council here turned lib dem and that's where they think they've got an opportunity, of course, just up the road in the city of cambridge, that used to be a lib dem seat. it's currently held by the labour party. but there's been demographic change as people can't afford to live in cambridge city anymore. they're spreading out to the surrounding areas. it's a pattern that we're seeing in many cities across the country. as the housing crisis gnps country. as the housing crisis grips and people tend to move further out, it means those voting patterns move further out and potentially younger voters living in areas that were

traditionally older areas. and this is where the lib dems think that they can get a bit of a foothold in what might be known as the blue wall. that's certainly what lib dem leader ed davey calls areas like this. and what's interesting here is that this is a new constituency, south cambridgeshire , as it was south cambridgeshire, as it was in 2019, is being divided in two, partly because there's been much population growth in this area. the current tory mp for this seat has gone to the top half of the seat, leaving the bottom half of the seat. the south portion of this seat, without an incumbent mp . and without an incumbent mp. and that's another big advantage for the lib dems. they think they can win here. but this is all of course, on a day that is being dominated by one issue and that's the prime minister's surprising pledge on national service. i've had the opportunity to speak to just a couple of people here, and it doesn't seem like it's going down particularly well . however,

down particularly well. however, this might be more about the prime minister trying to shore up some of those voters who've shifted to reform , rather than shifted to reform, rather than any voters who might be leaning in a more liberal democrat direction. only time will tell . direction. only time will tell. >> if that was tom harwood, there on what the lib dems are up to now, we are still waiting to hear from sir ed davey. so i'm just going to ask my wonderful panel. claire muldoon and benjamin butterworth , what and benjamin butterworth, what they make of the lib dems. i mean, they haven't been mentioned that much at the moment. i mean, even in the, the, the debates that the leaders are maybe having on, on, on our tv screens, ed davey, i mean, only 13% really care if he's going to be there or not. so the lib dems are people voting for the lib dem policies, claire? or are they voting because they are tactically voting to deal with the other party? i know for a fact a lot of our viewers and our listeners are politically homeless and i think the lib dems have missed a massive trick here. they could

have come out with some idea of a manifesto that would unite and cover the common ground, because people don't want to be far right, far left people don't even want the middle ground. now, of these main two political parties, conservatives and laboun parties, conservatives and labour, because they've got no identity, they're very wishy washy and if anything, coming out of a pandemic, what we should have seen was a cross party support and cross party. support in terms of a way out of things. i think the lib dems have really missed a trick, and i think they might be worth the watch, especially north of the border. in terms of, holding up propping up those that win because it's not going to be, it's going to be quite a hotly contested election, i think. and i think the lib dems can actually make a difference. okay, benjamin. i mean, can they make a difference? i mean, are they missing a trick? >> well, i mean, look, you know, only political hacks i suspect can either remember who sir ed davey, the lib dem leader, is. he's had remarkably little impact. the only moment anyone noficed impact. the only moment anyone noticed him was when he had an

association with the tragic mess of the post office scandal, which is probably the last thing he wanted to be linked to. now, what's interesting is that if you look at the polling on where lib dems do well, they do well when people don't know what they stand for. so they always run these hyperlocal campaigns. tom harwood just referred to that in the report. and so when they can project onto the lib dems what they wish a party would stand for when they can say it's about, for example, we're going to block developments , which has to block developments, which has been a line they've gone with in some of the marginal some of the by elections they've won. that's when the lib dems do well. so actually, i think as a strategy in a sense , the lack of coherent in a sense, the lack of coherent of outstanding policies that get noficedis of outstanding policies that get noticed is actually quite helpful because that's not how the lib dems run their campaigns in terms of the parliamentary results , i think this will be results, i think this will be the real story. you know, reform is going to damage the tories, maybe cause some losses to the labour party, but there's maybe 30 seats in the southeast and the southwest , a lot of them the southwest, a lot of them london commuter belt seats where

the lib dems could take those. and combined with the sort of almost collapse of the snp vote in scotland, i think those two things make starmers road to downing street significantly more straightforward. >> how many people do you think, claire, if we stop them in the street and said, can you tell me what lib dem policy would be able to answer you? they won't, but don't let us not forget we couldn't give one labour policy before starmer came out with a six point plan. no one knew. they kept very, very quiet about it. i don't think anyone has heard of it. the lib dems now that might be voting for the first time. we remember nick clegg. he was the last, of course, the last lib dem leader that i think people have any knowledge about. and look what he did. he, formed a party with cameron and sold, sold his soul in my view, to get into number 10. so it's really interesting, but i think, you know, i wouldn't they're obviously not going to win. but, you know, i just wish they would get their act together and get something in place and actually shout

about it. and as tom said, they do detail locally. and that's what people want now. people want local politicians. they want local politicians. they want their local mp to take their needs and their wants to their needs and their wants to the houses of parliament and for them to stand up for them. and that's another problem , don't that's another problem, don't you think, benjamin, that we've we've seen so many a mass exodus almost of conservatives who are not standing at the next election and sort of, you know, new candidates being parachuted in literally at the last minute. so this is where the lib dems could capitalise because the lib dem , you know, potential in dem, you know, potential in those areas are known, whereas conservatives are just being parachuted in and no one actually knows where they are and what they're doing. so this could be a dangerous area for the conservatives. >> yeah. i mean, the lib dems run pretty ruthless, focused local campaigns . they try very local campaigns. they try very hard to talk about local advocates as their mp candidates . so what i would say is that i think the vote for a particular mp over the party is always very

marginal . you get few to no marginal. you get few to no examples of a local candidate overcoming the national swing. it's very rarely significant enough, but i do think, you know, they've got loads of advantages. they've got the fact that lots of these people like michael gove, which is a lib dem target in surrey heath, are stepping down. but then also covid has helped them because a lot of these seats you've seen sort of middle class, relatively affluent people have moved out from places like london to these commuter belt areas. and so you've seen a faster shift to people that are not natural conservatives into the constituencies where they want to gain. and so simply on the maths of it, you know, dominic raab, for example, remember him? he's probably going to lose jeremy hunt will probably be the portillo moment. that's the one that they're really gunning for and simply the people that live in those areas have changed in a way favourable to lib dems. even without the national sweep. >> do you think, claire, that this could be a case of david and goliath in this election where the smaller local parties play where the smaller local parties play khumri, in wales , for

play khumri, in wales, for example, capitalising on the confusion and the homelessness that, as you alluded to earlier on, most voters feel you're going to vote for what's important in your local area , important in your local area, which is what we should be voting for. you know, i've long been a proponent of people of telling people, advising them when they're going to vote, vote locally, vote what's going to affect your environment and vote, not your climate, environment, your actual environment, your actual environment that you live in in terms of services, infrastructure, library , infrastructure, library, schools, everything. it's so important to build communities and build in communities. we build a better future where we are not rocket science doll. no, but they're not rocket scientists or politicians. that's true. right? and unfortunately , we are still unfortunately, we are still waiting to hear from sir ed davey himself, but i think hopefully we'll get him after this break. i think that's what we're doing . this break. i think that's what we're doing. i'm this break. i think that's what we're doing . i'm dawn neesom gb we're doing. i'm dawn neesom gb news sunday and there's lots more coming up on today's show , more coming up on today's show, including, hopefully, sir ed davey don't go too

welcome back. gb news sunday with me. dawn neesom on your telly. online and on digital radio. hope you have a wonderful bank holiday weekend out there. now it's politics as a general election. we're talking about it, but we have got beer coming up. by the way, don't go too far now. labour's plan to impose vat on private schools will force many of them to close, to according the chief executive of the independent schools association, rudolph elliott lockhart. he said smaller, lesser known schools, including those and this is the bit that worries me, including those for children with special needs, were particularly vulnerable to closure. sir keir starmer has said he'll bring the policy in straight away. he has been pretty adamant on this one thing. no sign of a flip flop on this one, so claire muldoon and benjamin butterworth are still with me. benjamin i'm coming to you on this one, i quite clearly

didn't go to a private school , didn't go to a private school, but it does worry me because you have this image in your head of people go to private school, you know, very wealthy, very privileged , but a lot of people, privileged, but a lot of people, a lot of ordinary working people. that phrase that politicians use all the time send their kids to private school where they work really hard to do so because local schools, which should be better, we all know that aren't that good. so our labour right to stick to this policy. there's a story in the telegraph today about one school that's already been forced to close because of, you know, pre—empting this , you know, pre—empting this, this, this, this, the vat tax raid. what do you make of it? >> well, first of all, a lot of ordinary working people do not send their kids to private school. the total is 7. and while there are some people who scrimp and save to get in, the vast majority of people who are sending their kids to those schools have adequate funds to do that. and that's a lot of money. you know, the average private school fee in this country is £15,200. now, if you know viewers want to think about whether they have 15.5 grand spare, or 30 grand a year spare

if they have two kids, as most people do. you know, that's an extreme amount of money in most people's lives. as for the case in the daily telegraph, i do not believe for a split second that this school has closed because of a vat being added to school fees. that has not happened before the election was even called. i think this is people that obviously have a self—interest . they want to self—interest. they want to protect the system of private schools as it is, and the truth is that, you know, if you hire, for example, a tutor for your child , a private tutor, then vat child, a private tutor, then vat is applicable. why should it be the case that private schools have an exemption to the rules that apply to all of these other scenarios? you know , not only scenarios? you know, not only that, but if you make a donation to a private school, rishi sunak gave £100,000 to his old school, winchester . that's then eligible winchester. that's then eligible for gift aid from hmrc and so i think it is a perversion of how the system should work that we are paying out in many ways to private schools, to the very richest people in society and i'd add one more thing, which is

that vat at 20, they say, well, they could all close down. well, it's quite strange because in the last 14 years, private school fees have risen by 20% in real terms. and strangely, when it was just rich schools taking from relatively rich parents, nobody complained then. but the idea that it might go to fund working class people's kids getting good education, well, suddenly it's a problem. >> okay, clare, what do you make of this ? two things, i don't for of this? two things, i don't for one minute think that this school closed because of the thought of starmer removing the charitable status because that, in effect, is the legislation that starmer wants to bring in, remove the charitable status of private schools and impose the 20% vat. and part of that i am so not in agreement with anything that benjamin has just said , and i'm so not in said, and i'm so not in agreement with keir's, additional asset of actually doing this. the reality is it will grow one point. it will bnngin will grow one point. it will bring in £1.4 billion of revenue to the coffers of the state, which is nothing really

considering he wants to golden handcuff teachers to the to the state sector of 2500 pounds. we are forgetting here that there's parental choice here, and by removing the ability for families to have the choice whether or not they want to send their child or children to a private school is wrong, in my view. and secondly , they are view. and secondly, they are also paying for the state sector in any event that they're not actually using. so the money is still being utilised from. so they're actually paying twice for state education and they're not using and also private education. and just on the thing about private tutors, a lot of private tutors are paid in cash. a lot of private tutors don't, pay a lot of private tutors don't, pay vat. so that's a bit of a moot point. and i actually fundamentally believe my three of my kids went through . in of my kids went through. in fact, the four of them all went through the state sector. my only son, i've only got the one son. he went to private sixth form, on a sports scholarship. a lot of these schools actually

have a lot of charitable instincts to. and charitable donations to the state sector in terms of allowing them to use their playing fields, allowing them to. why are you snickering, benjamin? what have i just said? that's funny. they're preposterous situation like. >> we should be grateful from the aristocrats for the politics of envy. >> there's no aristocrats. >> there's no aristocrats. >> it's not the politics of envy. it's the politics of people who have a lot thinking that we should be grateful for the crumbs underneath the table. that's not true. the idea that a local state comp should go, oh, thank you so much for letting us use your sports field. how grateful we are. >> that was one example. >> that was one example. >> pay your taxes like that was one example. >> the these state schools actually sold their lands to the private schools. the private schools didn't have to illustrate the point that that state school didn't have enough money for regular kids to be able to have access to sport as they should. >> so they had to sell it to the they didn't have to sell it. that private school pay vat like any comparable business does, so that state school can afford to keep its own field. >> you're talking about inner city. i'm talking about inner city. i'm talking about inner city london schools where they do not have the facilities because that is , it's not

because that is, it's not because that is, it's not because they've sold them all off. they had a choice to do that. it was they were sold off dunng that. it was they were sold off during a labour government. that. it was they were sold off during a labour government . they during a labour government. they were sold off during a labour government when the education system in this country was crumbling. it used to be the best in the world, as did scottish education, which sadly under the snp has completely failed on more than one occasion. >> i don't think the education system is crumbling and actually it is. what's peculiar is that our results in this country have gone up in the international league tables. but oddly, the tories don't talk about it, which i think is a mistake on their part. but the fact is that you talk about choice. well, you know, first of all, the people that are going to private schools are overwhelmingly very wealthy. and i think most people aren't going to be losing sleep over people with 30 grand a year spare for their kid's education. right? what we talk about with choice is that most people don't get a choice in where their kids are going to get sent to school, right ? and that means that if right? and that means that if they have an underfunded school, if they have a one like you referred to, which had to sell its playing fields , then you its playing fields, then you have a problem with funding in the private sector. there has

been no change in the last five, pardon me, 14 years in terms of staff to pupil ratio. the funding per pupil is double the state sector. there is no evidence that the private schools are struggling in any way. i just think they should pay way. i just think they should pay taxes in the same way that most other businesses, the parents who are putting their children there, have already paid the tax. >> why should the schools pay it when state schools don't? >> well, in that case, we mentioned earlier that i don't have kids. should i get a tax rebate because i'm paying for schools but i don't use them. well, do you use private same same argument would be used benjamin, which is a pretty futile argument if you ask someone who pays for private health insurance , should they health insurance, should they use the nhs? you're saying that these people that send their kids to private school have a choice somehow, and i'm saying to remove that choice , generous to remove that choice, generous act to the rest of us. >> i didn't say that. >> i didn't say that. >> and the truth is, people don't send their kids to private schools out of some kind of act of goodness to save the state money. they do it because they want their kids to have a fast track to success, to be in an elite, networked group. which is ironic, which is ironic , which ironic, which is ironic, which is ironic given most of the blue chip companies and most of the

big ftse 500 are now employing under d—i rules, children who have not gone to private schools. i mean, yes, 93% of people don't go to private schools. and i think the fact that so that was so back to your point about fast track to, success isn't holding because it's not the case now, that's just nonsense. you know, we know that it's not nonsense. i've got statistics , anecdotal evidence statistics, anecdotal evidence to support it. >> i don't speak nonsense , benjamin. >> anecdotes aren't evidence. and if you look at the best paid jobs, if you look at lawyers, barristers, doctors , ceos, barristers, doctors, ceos, politicians, there is a massively disproportionate number in those top industries where they went to private changing and it is understandable that a parent wants to do that. and i don't think private schools should be banned. i just think they should play by banned. i just think they should play by the same rules that everybody else has to. and i think the idea that you see so many people in the media, you know, weeping over the idea that their kids school fees should have vats, meanwhile, there are millions of people who are struggling to feed their kids. i think it shows you a lot about how out of touch a lot of the

well—paid people in the media are . are. >> i mean, it's just i mean, there's no point, is there? there is no redress to that because you we will never we will never agree on much. i don't think benjamin , i have to don't think benjamin, i have to say, but we're certainly not going to agree on this politics of envy. and i'm afraid it's just not interesting. you mentioned that a lot of our viewers and listeners are saying, and, you know, these are people that have struggled to send their children to a private school, and you know, that's struggling. imagine how most parents well, these people are saying, look, you know, they work really hard. i mean, where is this email from? i can't find it now, but this lady was saying that , you know, a it now, but this lady was saying that, you know, a sudden it now, but this lady was saying that , you know, a sudden 20, 20% that, you know, a sudden 20, 20% hike in the school fees is not like literally sacrificing everything over, you know, the course of a couple of school years . so she course of a couple of school years. so she is saying course of a couple of school years . so she is saying that years. so she is saying that it's actually this is the politics of envy. so why what we're hearing, they've increased 20% in real terms in the last decade. >> so why was nobody saying that? why was nobody making that point when the schools

themselves put their fees up 20, which they have? >> so . what i mean, this is >> so. what i mean, this is david, thank you for getting in touch. david, what? where are labour going? to put the 44,000 children who are who will be displaced into the state sector? there's no space for them. >> well, i mean, what's interesting is that because of our falling birth rate, we actually have, particularly in the primary school sector , there the primary school sector, there are many that don't have the number of pupils taking up the spaces. so in some parts of the country there's actually decent capacity. so you expect people, you expect people to move then to find a primary school they can't have them in their doorstep. >> is that what you're saying? >> is that what you're saying? >> is that what you're saying? >> i mean, the simple well, first of all, in lots of parts of the country, london is a great example where there are many vacant school spaces because people aren't having kids. so there is actually capacity in some areas for the state sector. not many, well, the trajectory is very clear because we have a low birth rate, we have a declining population in terms of people being born here. the fact is that , you know, we should be that, you know, we should be focusing on improving the access to education that everybody has, not people with 30 grand a year available for their kids.

>> but that's as you've raised. that's not an issue because access is fine there. what we should be doing is actually funding and making sure the state sector is proportionately great for every single child, because every single child matters . it's a very heated matters. it's a very heated debate. let us know what you think on this one. as well. loads of comments coming in, but unfortunately we have to go to the news. not unfortunately, because it's cameron and his. wonderful, this is gb news sunday and here's cameron walker with your news headlines . with your news headlines. >> dawn. thank you. it's 230. i'm cameron walker here in the gb newsroom. now . now more on gb newsroom. now. now more on that breaking news. 12 people have been injured during turbulence on a flight from doha to dublin. dublin airport said emergency services, including airport police and their fire and rescue department met the qatar airways flight after it landed safely as scheduled shortly before 1:00 this afternoon. six passengers and six crew were injured when flights sr 017 was flying over

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news. comment hurts. >> thank you very much, cameron. honestly, i mean, we are what, 4 or 5 days into the general election? it feels like a long i know , but we have sir ed davey know, but we have sir ed davey evidently he's in a bus there, a sea of orange waiting to greet him , he is in a bus, evidently. him, he is in a bus, evidently. i mean, a battle bus. you can see it there. it's a very, very. if you're listening on the radio, it's bright orange and yellow with. what's that on the side? hearts on the side. well, why, it's so ed davey is now waving at us, getting off the his battle bus, and hopefully at some point is going to speak to us, there is a good crowd to why do they have to have battle buses? is it never, ever cease to amaze me. >> campaigns, battle bus a major moment in our capital. >> we've been waiting for it . >> we've been waiting for it. >> we've been waiting for it. >> people move their go the other way . sorry .

other way. sorry. yellowhammer. >> one for the blue wall. yes. liberal democrats are. go they . liberal democrats are. go they. thank you very much. i just want to make a little speech. on this way. okay this election is our opportunity, our chance . to kick opportunity, our chance. to kick this out—of—touch conservative government out of office. our chance to elect great liberal democrat mps to be strong local champions for their community, our chance for change in our country , our chance to get a country, our chance to get a fair deal that people so deserve already in this election campaign, i've been to surrey.

i've been to cheltenham, i've been to eastbourne, i've been to chichester, i've been to winchester, and now i'm here in south cambridgeshire . and people south cambridgeshire. and people across the blue . wall are saying across the blue. wall are saying they are fed up of this out of touch conservative government. they are fed up of being let down and they know that a vote for the liberal democrats in so many parts of the country, like the blue wall, can get rid of the blue wall, can get rid of the conservative government. they are struggling with the cost of living with high energy bills, with mortgages and high rents, with high food bills. and they are fed up of the conservatives not helping them. they're worried about loved ones waiting for hours for ambulances, days and weeks for a gp appointment, months for urgent cancer treatment. and they're fed up of the conservatives having plunged our nhs and care into crisis.

they're angry with the water companies being allowed to pump their filthy sewage into our rivers and onto our beaches . and rivers and onto our beaches. and they are fed up with conservative mps voting to allow that to continue . and they want that to continue. and they want change, and they want the conservatives out. and they know in places like south cambridgeshire that means voting liberal democrat. and if you vote liberal democrat in south cambridgeshire, you get a great local champion. pippa hastings. and indeed in so many seats you'll get a great, great liberal democrat champion who will fight for you, but they'll also get rid of the conservatives and do something very special. transfer from british politics. and that's the liberal democrat ambition to transform our politics and our country. so that we can get our economy back on track so we can stop the sewage so we can end

the scandal of crumbling hospitals and so we can save our nhs . we so let's get to it. nhs. we so let's get to it. let's make it happen . thank you . let's make it happen. thank you. >> okay, well, that was sir ed davey there, unveiling his battle bus. yellowhammer one, it's called. and libdems are go. evidently, and we are going to come back and break down exactly what he has said there, after this very short break. don't go too far, though. this is dawn neesom with gb

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presenter gloria del piero has travelled last week to the dog and parrot pub in eastwood to take voting intentions ahead of the general election. three of our guests voted the conservatives at the last general election. one didn't vote last time we spoke to them, they were undecided. we showed them pictures of the different leaders. let's see if anything has changed their position . has changed their position. which of these two men would you trust to do the following? >> neither of them . >> neither of them. >> neither of them. >> hang on, hang on. >> hang on, hang on. >> look after your children or grandchildren while you were out i >> neither of them keir starmer i vote keir starmer on that wall because it is standing as being a lawyer. okay, okay, i'd prefer sunak starmer. okay. who do you think would be better at having the map when you're on a car journey trying to get somewhere? keir starmer or rishi's home is stopping now. he's the satnav . stopping now. he's the satnav. you haven't got a satnav. one of

these is in charge of the map. i'm going to say starmer again because i don't think he knows a real life what it's like to be people on the high street. >> it's laurel and hardy . >> it's laurel and hardy. >> it's laurel and hardy. >> i'd read them out myself . >> i'd read them out myself. >> i'd read them out myself. >> okay, you are at the dog and parrot. one of these people is going to join you. join your table. are you going to have a dnnk table. are you going to have a drink together? you're going to have a chat about work, family, what's going on down the pub? who would you rather join you ? who would you rather join you? one of these two gentlemen is going to join keir starmer keir starmer . you would rather go to starmer. you would rather go to the pub with keir starmer? i'd rather go with him because i think he probably over more a dnnk think he probably over more a drink than he would, because he doesn't drink. actually, his wife does drink, but he doesn't drink. i choose you choose rishi. >> i'll tell you why he could buy more round. >> okay, okay. derek, one of these gentlemen, they're going to join you for your night out. >> i'm to see you now. >> rishi sunak. so we're split, actually, two, two. you're

buying a car. second hand car. you want to get a good deal ? you want to get a good deal? which one of these two men do you think is going to get you the best discount ? there's a the best discount? there's a lawyer who knows how to. yeah. how to negotiate i would say. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> okay. based on. >> okay. based on. >> oh yeah i'll say yes. >> oh yeah i'll say yes. >> yeah. i'm going to go against the grain. >> i'll say soon and sunak and the final one, you need a shelf putting up now your husband i know from when i used to live round here, i drink, sean, but he's not available. >> one of these two is going to put up a shelf for you. which one is it going to be? i would go for him, but i would turn round and say, right, plug it in, but then hold it in place while i drill it. in, but then hold it in place while i drill it . all right. while i drill it. all right. okay, keir, with some conditions. yeah. yeah. same because i think he's a little bit more in touch with the general is mine. yeah. he's more in touch with public. yeah. then

i think he might be slightly more competent than . yeah okay. more competent than. yeah okay. like that are you are you going to be contrary again. you're saying rishi sunak. yeah. rishi sunak. saying rishi sunak. yeah. rishi sunak . pats you voted labour for sunak. pats you voted labour for all of your life until the last election in 2019 when you voted conservative. you you characterised it as you voted for boris. he's making your mind up time. who are you going to vote for this time, pat ? if vote for this time, pat? if there's only them to and i'm pushed to shove, turned out to be key here. i think he's more in touch with the public. okay. this guy here is always for the rich. okay always for the rich. that is. well, that's all i'm saying, catherine. it's make your mind up time. you voted conservative last time you voted for all the parties. liberal

democrats in the past. slave farts in the past. democrats in the past. slave farts in the past . a long time farts in the past. a long time ago. who are you voting for this time? i think i'd have to go ask the two who it's going to be. keir starmer. it just needs a fresh eyes, fresh people. because 14 years, we've just. the country is just going down and down and down and down and down. yeah, absolutely. so we need some fresh blood in. and the only way fresh blood out of the only way fresh blood out of the two of them is keir starmer. what is remarkable i just want to for viewers who haven't seen you before , we've done this 3 or you before, we've done this 3 or 4 times. this is the third or fourth time. and every time i've asked you that question, you've ever said neither of them or i don't know . yeah, not. give me don't know. yeah, not. give me an answer. yeah. you give me an answer that's really significant. yeah. rob and derek, you were our first timers. you haven't voted labour for about 2005. so 20 nearly 20 years. it's general election day. who are you going to? one of these men is going to be

prime minister. i mean, you could vote for one of the third parties. i'm waiting and wonder thing. yeah. >> whether that will take off or not. >> and if it takes off, i might go with with rishi sunak, with sunak. >> but if he doesn't , right, >> but if he doesn't, right, then i might vote for starmer. >> really interesting. he stops those boats, but i don't think he'll. >> i don't think he will. >> i don't think he will. >> right. >> right. >> you know, to be honest, i don't think he will. >> i don't think it will happen. >> i don't think it will happen. >> so. so i'll probably end up voting for mr starmer. >> but they need to do something. >> something needs to be done. >> something needs to be done. >> and, i want to say this country is in absolute chaos. from the day he got here, basically. what has he done? nothing nothing . we've got nothing nothing. we've got homeless people , veterans on the homeless people, veterans on the streets . when it was covid, they streets. when it was covid, they put him in a hotel. streets. when it was covid, they put him in a hotel . what did put him in a hotel. what did they do once covid was over? they kicked him back out on the

street. we've got crime rate going up with knives and guns. young'uns being killed, murdered, you name it, left, right and centre . what's he right and centre. what's he doing? nothing the economy is shot. they're wanting people that are in work to work longer, to try and make the economy better . you can't do that all better. you can't do that all the time. what? they're going to want us to do, go out in a coffin when the day we retire . coffin when the day we retire. yeah. no. it's wrong. no derek, you haven't voted for ages , probably. >> are you going to sit this one out as well? >> i probably am, yeah, because i think and i agree with what pat just said , that i think pat just said, that i think there needs to be a change in some new blood. new new blood, and a change of faces. >> and. but you're not going to vote no , because i think you vote no, because i think you can't vote. yeah you should

vote. who would you be happy with if you were? you know, you're going to wake up. somebody's going to be prime minister. >> one of these, if i had to choose between them, i'd probably vote sunak. >> right. interesting and these two will complain that i didn't give you the option . is there give you the option. is there any chance that instead of voting for either of these two, you'll go, screw it, i'm going to have your vote reform or the liberal democrats. i'd go reform . you might do, i might do so if it was the choice between these two. you voting for keir starmer? yeah, but but he's not nailed on. you wouldn't rule reform out i wouldn't know i'd be happy with the coalition between them and the reform and labour reform and labour. this renee chernihiv vote for him. it depends on the manifesto that comes out, exactly what he comes out. okay, would either of these two could could either of these two could could either of these two get your vote instead of the two get your vote instead of the two main parties if he worked with the conservatives? oh, so if he worked, if those two work together, i might switch and go

that way. interesting well, he's a conservative anyway, isn't he? yeah he left. yeah, yeah. otherwise i'll probably vote labour or unless something's done about the boats , which they done about the boats, which they don't think will happen . don't think will happen. fascinating. brilliant i think we are going to continue this this conversation after. but i think if any of these people wanted, some advice , then they wanted, some advice, then they wouldn't be hard pressed to come anywhere better than to come to the dog and parrot parrots in broxtowe and listen to you guys, pat, catherine, rob . derek. pat, catherine, rob. derek. thank you . thank you. >> well, that's gloria in a pub for you on a sunday afternoon. >> well, why not? this is gb news. it's sunday afternoon. hope you're having a smashing bank holiday weekend. but we have got pints in front of us as well. now here and find out why we're all losing our heads over them . or that much more to come. them. or that much more to come. this is gb news at britain's news channel. don't go too far

hello. welcome back. this is gb news sunday. if you don't know it by now, you're in trouble. i'm dawn neesom . this is a bank i'm dawn neesom. this is a bank holiday. sunday lunchtime, we're on telly. we're online, and we're on digital radio. and actually, you know what? i've got beer in front of me, so who cares? anyways, look, are you getting the right amount of alcohol for your money in your local pub? probably not. 70% of pints and glass of wine being poured in uk at bars and pubs are short served, according to the chartered trading standards institute . it's calculated this institute. it's calculated this meant an average beer drinker was losing around £88.40 a year, while a wine drinker was losing £114 a year. so so let's see what my panel make of this as i give them our. okay three drinks in front of me, right? that one's overfilled. this one isn't filled quite right. and that one's definitely underfilled . so

one's definitely underfilled. so according to you lot, benjamin's getting that one. claire muldoon's getting that one because she's been. they're both in. brilliant. thank you very much. i'm getting this one. so all it is for me to say. cheers. thank you so much for watching. have a lovely bank holiday weekend, don't go too much too far, though, because the lovely nana akua is after this. and you have been watching gb news me dawn neesom don't go anywhere though. plenty more coming up. as i said, it's nana fiery debate, and at 6 pm. it's a neil oliver with free speech. then mark golden at 9:00. but thank you very much. cheers for watching. don't go too far. and thatis watching. don't go too far. and that is up next. and i'm going to go and have a pint. cheers people. have a good bank holiday. cheers . holiday. cheers. >> looks like things are heating up . boxt boilers sponsors of up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello there. welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast from the met office. we're looking ahead to the next few

days. looking ahead to the next few days . it does look like it's days. it does look like it's going to remain fairly unsettled across the country. further spells of rain and showers. this all courtesy of this area of low pressure, which unfortunately is not going to go very far as we move through the rest of this bank holiday weekend . so as we bank holiday weekend. so as we end sunday, plenty of rain and showers out there . some of these showers out there. some of these showers out there. some of these showers still quite heavy and thundery. warnings are in force throughout the evening, but it will turn dry and clear across many parts of england and wales and under the clear skies it will turn a little bit chilly, temperatures falling into single figures here but further north under the cloud and rain remaining fairly mild for the time of year. so we start bank houday time of year. so we start bank holiday monday off on a fairly bright and sunny note across many eastern and central parts of england. further west across south—west england, parts of wales. showers from the word go here and further north across northern england and northern ireland. quite a grey start. some outbreaks of rain. similar story really for southern scotland. risk of some persistent rain here for a time where further north across scotland, some brightness around

, but also a little bit of mist and murk to moving towards lunchtime. many of us will see the risk of a few showers across many southern and central parts of the country. the shower should be a little bit fewer and lighter compared to today, where further north still, the risk of some thundery downpours, especially across north eastern parts of scotland. and for all of us, it'll be a little bit of a cooler day compared to today. i think at best, the high teens across the south then looking ahead towards the middle part of the week. unfortunately we're still going to see low pressure remain in charge, but there are hints as we head towards thursday, this area of high pressure will begin to topple in, and that may well set us up for a little bit more in the way of brightness, especially across the west. but in the meantime, tuesday , wednesday certainly tuesday, wednesday certainly remaining fairly showery. temperatures around average for the time of year. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news

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