gb news. >> it's 9:00. on television. on radio and online in the united kingdom. and across the world. this is mark dolan tonight. whoever wins the next election will receive an unexpected boost . brexit. with a booming economy and investment through the roof, our next prime minister can count their blessings that we're out where nigel farage's comments about some muslims not sharing british values islamophobic. we'll hear from all sides . and following all sides. and following shocking allegations about one of the professional dancers on bbc's strictly , are be dealing bbc's strictly, are be dealing with the biggest scandal in the show's history . two hours of big show's history. two hours of big opinion, big debate and big entertainment. my big opinion is on the way. good for news our next prime minister. find out why, after the news headlines and the highly electable ray

addison . addison. >> thanks, mark. good evening. here's the latest from the gb newsroom. a british horse rider has died at an equestrian event in devon, 36 year old georgie campbell, who had represented great britain numerous times, fell whilst jumping a fence on the fourth and final day of the bicton international horse trials. governing body british eventing, said she was immediately attended to by medical staff, but could not be saved. the horse global quest, was uninjured . now the raf was uninjured. now the raf pilot, who died when his spitfire crashed near raf coningsby, has been named as squadron leader. mark long, police and emergency services rushed to the scene on langrick roadin rushed to the scene on langrick road in lincolnshire just before 120 yesterday afternoon. described as a passionate professional aviator for the last four years he'd been a pilot with the battle of britain memorial flight. the mod has described the incident as a

tragic accident and an investigation into its cause is now underway . eight people have now underway. eight people have been taken to hospital after severe turbulence on a qatar airways flight from doha to dubun airways flight from doha to dublin , dublin airport said. dublin, dublin airport said. emergency services, including police and fire and rescue teams, met the plane as it landed safely shortly before 1:00 this afternoon. the injuries to six passengers and six crew occurred as they were flying over turkey , while the flying over turkey, while the proposed return of compulsory national service was rejected by a defence minister just days a defence ministerjust days before the tories pledged to make it law. if the party wins the election . andrew murrison the election. andrew murrison insisted there were no plans to reintroduce the policy and said it could damage morale if potentially unwilling recruits were forced to serve just two days later. as we now know, rishi sunak has outlined plans to make all 18 year olds choose between serving in the army or volunteering in their local communities. labour has

dismissed the plan as a headline grabbing gimmick. dismissed the plan as a headline grabbing gimmick . and finally, grabbing gimmick. and finally, the shadow chancellor says there will be no increases to tax or national insurance under a labour government. rachel reeves is promising a tough set of spending rules that she says will grow the economy while keeping taxes , inflation and keeping taxes, inflation and mortgages as low as possible. the conservatives say their plan is working, but labour argues that people are feeling worse off. for all the latest stories you can sign up for gb news alerts. scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash back now to . mark. slash back now to. mark. >> thanks, ray. welcome to mark dolan tonight in the big story were nigel farage's comments about some muslims not sharing british values. islamophobic. we'll hear from all sides on that one. my mark meets guest was separated from her young children for ten years after her ex—husband took them to germany.

i'll be hearing the devastating story of a family torn apart. in my take at ten, following shocking allegations about one of the professional dancers on the bbc's strictly. i'll be deaung the bbc's strictly. i'll be dealing with the biggest scandal in the show's history. that's at 10:00. you won't want to miss it . also, tonight is the sun newspaper, about a sensational back, sir keir starmer. i'll be asking the sun's former editor, kelvin mackenzie, and reacting to the big stories of the day, my top pundits this evening for ringside action, linda jubilee, neil parish and nigel nelson . neil parish and nigel nelson. plus the most important part of the show your views, they come straight to my laptop. gbnews.com forward slash your say. and this show has a golden rule we don't do boring. not on my watch. i just won't have it now folks. a busy two hours to come. it's a bank holiday tomorrow, so i hope at least some of you have got the day off tonight. let's have a debate. let's have some trenchant arguments and let's have some

fun along the way. a big two hours. we start with my big opinion . whoever wins the opinion. whoever wins the election will receive an unexpected boost. brexit. our departure from the european union must be the most misunderstood and maligned political event in our history . political event in our history. the narrative peddled by its critics on both the left and the right, is that brexit has been a disaster for this country, that it's made us poorer, more insular and reduced our status on the global stage . why let the on the global stage. why let the facts get in the way of a good story .7 and many still prevail story? and many still prevail under the idea that our decision to leave a political bloc was a huge act of national self—harm. but just as water will find its way through a leaky roof, so the truth will out, the brexit benefits don't come. occasionally they come daily.

for example, today, the express newspaper reported that the country is to enjoy a huge boost as brexit britain becomes a global manufacturing powerhouse. the paper writes that flourishing firms are taking on more apprentices as the fast growing made in britain sector assembles a crack workforce of hungry young talent fit for the future. since we left the european union, the uk has now leapfrogged france to become number eight in the world for manufacturing number eight in the world, putting paid to the idea that brexit would hurt exports, that it would hurt industry, or that we don't make anything in this country anymore . in fact, uk manufacturing is now worth half £1 trillion and supports over 7 million jobs. meanwhile, the for office national statistics has said that the uk economy is , and i that the uk economy is, and i quote, going gangbusters with

inflation now close to 2, we're out of recession with the highest growth in the g7 beating france, germany, italy and wait for it. the united states unemployment remains low and investment investment into the uk is up . the long predicted uk is up. the long predicted brexit disaster has been like the weapons of mass destruction. non—existent. we're saving billions in eu membership fees and have avoided sharing the cost of the eu's. in my view, covid overreaction, which some suggest would have made us liable for ,90 billion. we get 100% of customs revenue, rather than handing 80% to brussels when we were in the bloc . we are when we were in the bloc. we are now part of the cptpp, which i thought was a cough medicine, but which is the largest trading area on the planet. oh, and we do have a comprehensive free trade tariff free deal with the eu too, sometimes forgotten by

those remainers on both sides of the political spectrum who are still fighting a lost war. we've had the aukus defence deal with australia and america worth billions. our sovereignty allowed us to take a lead in supporting ukraine and with the vaccine rollout, animal welfare has improved with new rules on the transportation of live animals. we've lifted restrictions on our service sector , which is 70% of our sector, which is 70% of our economy. uk ports have taken advantage of digitised shipping documentation. it's the 21st century, folks , and now we have century, folks, and now we have business friendly freeports as well. global companies like nissan and toyota have invested further billions in uk plc . the further billions in uk plc. the list goes on. whoever gets in can invest heavily in british industries and develop innovative tax policies which boost employment and boost growth. in other words, whoever wins in july has the opportunity

and the levers at their disposal to make britain a global beacon of enterprise skill and talent. far from being an act of national self—harm, our next prime minister can count their blessings that we're out . your blessings that we're out. your reaction gb news. com forward slash your say whether it's rishi sunak, whether it's keir starmer, whether it's ed davey it could be the leader of the snp. whoever runs britain, they've been gifted not a poisoned chalice but an absolute pocket of gold. so let me know your thoughts, get your reaction to me shortly. first of all, reaction from my top pundits this evening we have political commentator, the brilliant journalist nigel nelson. i'm also delighted to welcome former conservative mp and farmer neil pansh conservative mp and farmer neil parish and journalist and broadcaster linda jubilee. great to have all three of you with

me, folks . lots to sink our me, folks. lots to sink our teeth into there. and of course, the point is, nigel nelson, that notwithstanding whether it's a likely contest between sunak and starmer , either man will inherit starmer, either man will inherit a country with huge potential well, potential, certainly, but not because of brexit, if you voted for brexit because you wanted british sovereignty to take back control in dominic cummings's immortal phrase, you've got what you wish for. if you've got what you wish for. if you voted brexit because you wanted, the economy to improve , wanted, the economy to improve, then you didn't. so you mentioned various things manufacturing, manufacturing, jobs down by 74,000 since brexit happened , we've just leapfrogged happened, we've just leapfrogged france to go number eight in the world. >> we've also just had a pandemic, which i'm sure has impacted manufacturing. >> i'm sure it has. but you also mentioned gdp and yeah, that's looking quite good. but but when it comes down to how how well, how well off people feel is gdp

per head, which matters more. we're above france. that's true. below germany. half the gdp per head of ireland and way behind the nordic countries. >> well, this is because ireland have cooked the books with how their tax rates work. and we know that lots of big businesses are headquartered in ireland. it's not exactly it's not exactly monte carlo. >> okay. well we'll move over to business then . and with the new business then. and with the new border controls coming in just the paperwork for meat, cheese, fish that'll cost £145, a consignment, 300 million. overall extra cost to business. and as far as we're concerned, things like, food prices have gone up by 25% since brexit. >> food inflation has been comparable to the eu. yep. but it hasn't gone up by 25% of that. >> it's not all to do with brexit. of that, 8% is due to brexit. of that, 8% is due to brexit. that costs each of us £250 a year. >> well , the point is that the >> well, the point is that the economy is growing. we're number

one in the g7 post brexit. make it make sense linda jubilee. >> well, here's what i would say about brexit. and i always remember this phrase from my old boss many years ago at sky news, the ceo, sam chisholm, who said to me, the important thing about a decision is you make a decision and then you make it work. now what has happened here is we've done brexit and we have to make it work. and but it will be hard work. now, i agree with you. there's some potential, but at the end of the day we have declined in manufacturing terms since the 1960s and at the moment that's got nothing to do with brexit. yeah, no, but what i'm saying is the fact that we're in this position now is not the best we can do. it's a good sign, but it's not the best now where apprenticeships are concerned, they have declined since 2015. the numbers are considerably down and that's been government policy hasn't it. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> so but i'm trying to look at this with some sort of perspective. i don't think you can look at the situation with unalloyed glee, because the fact of the matter is, i think that

looking at the economy now is rather like looking at an electric mouse. you know, that you wind up and slowly it winds slower and slower and slower. and that's where we are, right now. we do not have enough momentum in this economy , and we momentum in this economy, and we don't got more momentum in the united states, france and germany . germany. >> i don't what happened to the brexit disaster. where is it? >> yeah , but i'm not saying that >> yeah, but i'm not saying that we should harp on anymore about whether there's a disaster or not. >> well, there is no disaster. >> well, there is no disaster. >> there is no, no, that's right. there is no disaster. it wasn't disastrous. but you can't we were told it would be. >> and we're still being told by the guardian that it is. but my point is we have to leave this behind. >> we have to leave it behind. >> we have to leave it behind. >> well, this is it. and isn't that the point? our next prime minister has been gifted a great opportunity, neil parish. >> i mean, i think what we've got to accept in the world now is that most of the growth now is that most of the growth now is in in the far east. it's not actually in europe. and so therefore, if we could actually do a trade deal with india, because the eu is never going to do a trade deal with india, because of, of agriculture, because of, of agriculture, because of, of agriculture, because of many other things, so and too many countries, too many

opinions . and so therefore, you opinions. and so therefore, you know, there is i mean, brexit was always going to be a bit like the curate's egg, good, bad and sort of indifferent. but what it is, is it does give you the opportunity to do those individual trade deals. i think we've got to get stuck in. i agree with you over the apprenticeships because i think that's where we really got to go harder and faster to make sure that things are produced in britain and as a farmer, if we want to produce more food in britain and not import so much from the eu, i think that's a wonderful idea. so let's go for it. because, you know, in a way we we've, you know, we have really relied on too much on imports over the years . so if imports over the years. so if imports over the years. so if imports are a little more difficult, is it going to be the end of the world? probably not. >> i mean, nigel nelson, you are quite the party pooper. pooper. blimey. put my that's what he's. >> come on. please don't poop at the party. otherwise it's gone too. >> well, nigel, if keir starmer wins. yeah. he has said he's going to actually embrace the advantages that brexit brings. >> well, of course he will. i mean, there's no question that we're going back. i mean, the

argument's been lost keir starmer will do that. what he will try and do is get closer relations with europe . they are relations with europe. they are our nearest trading partner. that's the right thing to do. but it doesn't mean going back. going back on brexit. >> is brexit safe in labour's hands? yes, and what about the tories? i mean, if they were to sort of win an unlikely small majority at the election, where do you think rishi sunak might take brexit. >> well i mean i think he, you know, the tories have got to settle down and realise that brexit has happened and you can't carry on having more, more and more brexit. and so therefore do the deals and keep going . and i think that's what going. and i think that's what i want to see the tory party do, because the trouble is the tory part of the tory party just beats itself up and says, you know, there's not enough brexit. that's the problem. well, we've had bad as much brexit as we need, so let's get on talking. >> are you telling jacob rees—mogg to pipe down i would, i would i rees—mogg to pipe down i would, iwould i be rees—mogg to pipe down i would, i would i be so would rees—mogg to pipe down i would, iwould i be so would i be so i would i be so would i be so rude as to tell jacob to do such a thing? >> but i think there are two views on that. and, you know, i mean, jacob, i think moved quite a lot of his business to dublin and other places. so it's

interesting what people do. okay. >> now, linda, briefly, the liberal democrats , they could liberal democrats, they could hold the balance of power if the numbers are tight. i think the next election, could they influence the uk prime minister's brexit position? >> it's possible , but they would >> it's possible, but they would have to get they'd certainly have to get they'd certainly have to get they'd certainly have to do well getting a number of seats. i did hear this week that they are likely to get maidenhead, which is theresa may's, old seat and i think there are concerns about the seats that co—joined that constituency raisi, and there could be a swathe of lib dem wins across there. where i originally come from in richmond, that is a lib dem area with with sarah olney and munira wilson that could spread further that way. and once they've got a few seats, yeah, sure they will. >> very briefly. what the lib dems are good at is very much targeting seats and where they know they are the, the, the opposite to the tories and they will get the they will they will get a lot of labour votes over to the liberal democrats. >> that's how they win their seats by tactical voting , seats by tactical voting, fascinating. does brexit concern you in relation to the election?

is it a factor? let me know your thoughts. gbnews.com forward slash your say. but next up in the big story were nigel farage's comments about some muslims not sharing british values . islamophobic. we'll hear values. islamophobic. we'll hear from all sides on that .

next. okay, folks, do we have time for some feedback? let's get to it. gbnews.com/yoursay say, whoever our next prime minister is has been handed a tremendous advantage, which is an independent, sovereign united kingdom post—brexit. this is from paul who says, hi, mark. brexit is a 20 year program. the shoots are good. if people like nigel nelson on your panel hadnt nigel nelson on your panel hadn't tried to stop it, we would be at least three years further into transition, how

about this? emily says mark, the political party who wins the next election, will have to make sure that we have all the brexit benefits that we were promised to us, and this will give britain a huge boost. keep that feedback coming . let me tell you feedback coming. let me tell you that i've got the inside track with quite a few mps on both sides labour, lib dem and the tories, and i've just received a text from a very prominent high profile conservative backbenchen profile conservative backbencher. i asked him earlier are you happy with the election date? because i haven't sought that person's counsel recently. anyway, there's an angry reply. no no exclamation mark. there's trouble at mill. but listen, folks , the election date is set. folks, the election date is set. it is the 4th of july. you'll get the best coverage here on gb news and in particular on mark dolan tonight. it's time now for the big story. and this morning on a media round, gb news star and honorary president of reform uk, nigel farage said there's a growing number of young people in the uk who do not subscribe

to british values, specifically citing muslims. take a listen. >> we have a growing number of young people in this country who do not subscribe to british values , in fact loathe much of values, in fact loathe much of what we for . values, in fact loathe much of what we for. stand so what do you do? >> who are we talking about there? >> oh, i think we see them on the streets of london every saturday. >> what do they look like? oh, we're talking about what do they look like? are we talking about muslims here? we are. >> and i'm afraid i found some of the recent surveys saying that 46% of british muslims support hamas. i am not here to attack the religion of islam , attack the religion of islam, but i am here. >> well, you've just been doing i am three minutes. >> no i haven't, i'm telling you, the alarming figures that have been coming out of these recent polls, particularly in the wake of what has happened on october the 7th and in gaza. and we have a real, real problem here. >> so were these remarks islamophobic, or is nigel farage right to point out that a portion of the muslim population in the uk does not subscribe to the values of this country? let

me know your thoughts gbnews.com/yoursay. but to discuss this, i'm delighted to welcome doctor sheikh ramzy, who is an imam and director of the oxford islamic information centre. a privilege to have you with us. doctor ramzy, thank you so much for appearing on mark dolan tonight. well, your reaction to mr farage's comments, are they islamophobic , comments, are they islamophobic, what i would like to say, of course, on the on the general as what what he was saying, he started the interview started badly gone gone worse and of course end disaster and is all was about a hatred of the hatred of the muslim and islamophobia. he shows truly the person who is islamophobic of course, i've been interviewed with with the nigel farage many times . i nigel farage many times. i didn't see that. but of course i can say yes , it is islamophobic. can say yes, it is islamophobic. he gone too far to show the hatred for the muslim and of course degrade the muslim,

unfortunately degrade the muslim, he said they they are uneducated. they cannot speak english, they are, they are, they are, hamas supporter, a term which is called this country called terrorist. hamas supporters. the other demonstration, which she does, is wrong. and many , many things is wrong. and many, many things which he said, of course it was completely untrue. and it is not good for the integration of the muslim to the communities and, and the and of course , muslim and the and of course, muslim community. and they said about the, british value, the british value, the muslim all have a british value, maybe 1 or 2 here, a handful , british value, maybe 1 or 2 here, a handful, and british value, maybe 1 or 2 here, a handful , and they here, a handful, and they haven't got however they in the school we teach him the british value in the university with teaching british value. even if they tesco they go in the they they tesco they go in the they they see the british value. unfortunately not one of the thing which i have in the british value. five thing which we have, my dear, is a mutual

respect . it is one of the respect. it is one of the british values of mutual respect and tolerance of those of different faith and belief. now, doctor ramsey, you've used very. >> yes, doctor, you've used very long, strong, strong language about nigel farage. >> you've said hatred . he's >> you've said hatred. he's expressing a view that a growing number of muslim brits are not demonstrating british values. now, doctor ramsey, let me ask you, for example, what about those pro—palestine marches every weekend, as a result of which many jewish people are afraid to leave the house, you've got jewish individuals not wearing religious clothing for fear of attack. you've got people chanting for intifada, which means suicide bombers on pubuc which means suicide bombers on public transport from the river to the sea, projected on on the house of commons. surely that doesn't represent british values, doctor ramsay, what we have to say, of course they are doing, the police is in charge . doing, the police is in charge. >> there, of course, is a great value we have for our police metropolitan, which are in charge and they see if anything

goes wrong, they get the people, however they are . democracy is however they are. democracy is a democratic, democratic country in the world. the first democratic country in world is a united kingdom . and they are united kingdom. and they are they are using their democratic right to do it, of course. come on, you always. you find the 1 or 2 people which they doing wrong. >> doctor ramsey, is it more than 1 or 2 people shouting, shouting from the river to the sea, calling for a global intifada , for the destruction of intifada, for the destruction of israel? >> it's more than a few people, isn't it , doctor >> it's more than a few people, isn't it, doctor rahman? do do you do you condemn them ? you do you condemn them? >> i anyone anyone wish. they wish they want. of course. the israel always said israel and the palestine should be two state that are living together in peace and the brotherhood. it is not a it's very, very important . and of course we got important. and of course we got some they say this, some, some, for example, mps which they said, for example, from the river to the sea, it is not a,

it is not a anti—semitic . it is not a anti—semitic. unfortunately. they showed, of course , it was dominic grieve course, it was dominic grieve that she says is the head, of course. and what is happening is a muslim and jewish. it is not about the muslim and about the jews . they are brothers. they jews. they are brothers. they know we are interfaith. head of the interface. every day we see the interface. every day we see the jews and we say , shalom, the jews and we say, shalom, shalom alaikum, salaam, hello. everything but it is about the government of the israel , with government of the israel, with with the head of the netanyahu, which he goes against. but the people of the world, all the people of the world, all the people of the world, all the people of the world going against, for example, again , the against, for example, again, the atrocity, for example, you see the spain, spain and ireland and other one, are they all terrorists? they say, stop the war, stop the war. are they all terrorists? we can say, oh, well, he is terrorist. no they are not. they are human rights. they want to do the human right. they want to do the human right. they want to do the ceasefire. and by the grace of god,

ceasefire soon come in. and i'm sure this country, united kingdom, can lead in this one and save many, many doctor, doctor ramsey. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> listen, we we're in touch earlier in the day with a man that was very briefly the government's anti, anti—muslim hatred tsar appointed by michael gove. fiyaz mughal and he's not been able to join us on the programme, but he's given us this statement. he said i think that nigel farage has stated something that is fact that a small but intransigent number of my co—religionists fail to fully understand and accept some core values of our country . however, values of our country. however, they are growing. are they growing in number? no, they are not. this is where i would disagree, but there you go. that's fiyaz mughal who disagrees with what you've got to say. there >> and he's very respected is a very, very close, close friend of mine we know about each other about 20 years, but he is wrong because many majority of the

muslim in this country, they are taxpayer , they are good people. taxpayer, they are good people. >> they are listen, they are five, 4 million people. they are they are working as a as a started a dustman to the, to the, shadow ministers of in the parliament, to the doctor, to the universities, to all they contribute and they can't just crashing and crashing and crashing and crashing and crashing them. how much we have to take just please say we are one to integrate. we want to have a cohesion . we want to have have a cohesion. we want to have a brotherhood. and please be with us. and of course, again i said at the culture is respected, the faith, all faiths respected, the faith, all faiths respected all absolutely. >> well, doctor ramsey, you're so right . that is a >> well, doctor ramsey, you're so right. that is a message around which we can unite to come together . let's get come together. let's get reaction if we can. doctor ramsey, from my pundits, this evening, we have neil parish, linda jubilee and nigel nelson. neil parish, your reaction to what nigel farage had to say today on television ?

today on television? >> i think nigel went plenty far enough , because i think once you enough, because i think once you start talking about, you know, 46% of young british muslims, you know, disagree with perhaps our british values, i think i'm not sure how you can possibly justify why that figure. and i also think that we do have to bnng also think that we do have to bring everybody together. now, i very much, you know , detest the very much, you know, detest the idea of wiping israel off the map as what really basically some muslims are chanting. but i think the trouble is with these comments, and perhaps they some of them need to be made, but i think making them in the way he did, i do, do actually think in flames the situation because we are very much a multicultural country. i think our muslim, british muslims actually make a good contribution to our culture overall , and so good contribution to our culture overall, and so i think, you know, let's not split ourselves asunder now, i very much support the state of israel, and i very support the jewish community. but i think let's be careful,

how we deal with the situation, because we do want to bring everybody together . sinner, everybody together. sinner, while this war goes on in, in gaza, while israel keeps pounding gaza all the time, there is going to be a lot of, you know, muslims are going to feel very enraged by it now. it doesn't justify what they're doing, but let's be balanced about it . about it. >> friend nigel nelson a poll from 20th of february earlier this year, and it was an icm poll of british muslims published in the sunday telegraph, found that 40% of british muslims wanted sharia law in predominantly muslim areas in the united kingdom. does that bear out some of what nigel farage has had to say? >> well , yes nigel farage has had to say? >> well, yes and no. i mean, the this poll that nigel farage was referring to was done by the henry jackson society , vie, and henry jackson society, vie, and came up with a with a similar kind of kind of figure on that. and there are some, some results

there which are disturbing, that moderate interfaith groups like tell mama are worried about those kind of results. but the central issue there, the poll never asked muslims whether or not they supported british values. that question no. never turned up. >> important to point out, nigel, isn't it that they were offered a choice of supporting israel or or hamas? so therefore it was sort of a multiple choice poll rather than proactively supporting hamas, palestine , supporting hamas, palestine, israel and hamas. >> that's that's wrong. you could say supporting israel or pakistan or. that's right . pakistan or. that's right. supporting netanyahu or or the or the or the right doctor ramsay. >> you're right. doctor ramsay, can i ask you another question before i come to linda? what about the school teacher in batley who showed his student s images of the prophet muhammad as part of a class, a lesson in regards to media studies, who is now still on the run . that now still on the run. that doesn't represent british values, does it? >> these are these are not a

matter of derivation. these are a matter of the religion , of a matter of the religion, of religion. and of course, the scholar of the islamic scholar saying is nothing to do with the british value. but this man is on the run, doctor ramsay, that man is on the run , not because man is on the run, not because there is a mob, allow me to say, who could hurt him if they find him. i'm not. i'm not part of the law. but what i'm saying, if he says offensive, of course, if you show to me, listen to me. if you show to me, listen to me. if you show to me, listen to me. if you show to me an offensive from the prophet, i say, god bless you. and may god guide you. but some people does not, does not they say, oh, that was a total wrong and they get the law too. >> doctor ramsay, doctor ramsay, those people. >> would you agree that those people do not have british values? the people who have nothing to do with the british are threatening the safety of a school teacher to do with british values. >> there is something which happened, for example, if somebody is somebody , offended, somebody is somebody, offended, my mother is i'm saying you are that, you are that. and after that, you are that. and after

that you say it's a british value. of course you offended my mother. i say you offend my mother, but don't offend my prophet, doctor ramsay. >> i would never offend your mother. i'm sure she's quite a lovely lady. bless you. god bless you. well, she made you so. she did something right. linda, a couple of seconds. i'm so sorry. plots against us. your reaction to all of this? can you unpick it for us? >> i think fiyaz mughal is absolutely right. there's a small but intransigent section here that we should be worried about. here that we should be worried about . but i don't believe that about. but i don't believe that the broad sweep of british muslims are a problem. i can tell you that i have worked with afghans, for example, since the fall of kabul. i'm helping them with their communication strategy right now. i walk into that office and they're on the side of the wall are the five british values in a frame that we walk past every time we go into the building. i don't think you'd see that in most offices in this country. now you go where nigel farage is. correct? absolutely correct is when he pointed out that there were pockets in this country where people speak no english. now, that might seem like a cosmetic

thing, but it is not. it is the number one concern when it comes to integrating people into uk society. and we're not really tackling it. absolutely. >> can i say a couple of seconds, doctor ramzi muslim is muslim at least they speak two languages. >> you have to remember and this is an asset of the countries. and perhaps if they did not talk to the nigel farage, they will talk to me and i assure you they are some time ago. ten, 15 years ago. let me tell you, 15 years ago. let me tell you, 15 years ago i was in lbc with the nigel farage not the david cameron wanted to give a 20 million to educate and he said no, no, no, i said less land, less, less english. he was the person that she said, no, don't spend the money. and he's a good man. it's not just farage is a good man. i'm not saying it's bad. he's a good man. >> but okay, wrong ideas . there >> but okay, wrong ideas. there you go, doctor ramsey. let me tell you that there are plenty of brits living in spain who don't speak spanish. so doctor sheikh ramsey , thank you so much

sheikh ramsey, thank you so much for joining us. imam and forjoining us. imam and director of the oxford islamic information centre. catch up. god bless you all in the future. thank you for the blessing, doctor ramsey, and what a fascinating conversation it's been. i've got you on. oh my goodness i'll take that. i don't get compliments like that very often, especially not at home, listen, folks , lots more to get listen, folks, lots more to get through. don't forget, at 10:00, a massive scandal on the set of strictly . but next up, we've got strictly. but next up, we've got lots to get through . drama for lots to get through. drama for meghan markle. that's right. a major new headache. we'll get reaction from the country's leading royal author. see you

if you thought the election was feisty and personal. meghan markle has been slammed by the first lady of nigeria for flaunting her nakedness everywhere. during her recent visit to the african country, the duchess of sussex spent three days in nigeria earlier this month where she was

accompanied by her husband , accompanied by her husband, prince harry. meghan made a number of outfit changes during the trip , and it seems her the trip, and it seems her fashion was taken as a profound inqu fashion was taken as a profound insult by the first lady. take listen. >> you accept nakedness in our culture. they that that is not beautiful . it's not beautiful at beautiful. it's not beautiful at all. and why did meghan come here looking for africa ? that is here looking for africa? that is something we have to take home with. we know who we are and don't lose who you are. >> well, for reaction to this growing diplomatic row, i'm delighted to welcome revered royal author and prince harry biographer angela levin. angela. lovely to see you again. i've never thought of meghan markle as someone who flaunts her body. are these remarks a little harsh ? >> 7- >> no, i 7 >> no, i think ? >> no, i think absolutely right. i was furious when i saw her. i mean, she went to go to a school that was a very religious school, muslim school, all the girls had their heads covered and the women , the teachers had

and the women, the teachers had think, you know, they're supposed to cover your shoulders. they had that and some sort of hat and she went with her backless dress which went down her side. right. i mean , you don't do that. mean, you don't do that. >> but by western standards, that's not provocative . that's that's not provocative. that's not exactly madonna, is it? >> well, i think it is very provocative because if you go if she'd been going at representing the royal family, they wouldn't go anything. she wouldn't wear anything like that. but she should know it's common sense that you don't try and make people angry or embarrass them or flash your body and those sort of circumstances. i thought it was absolutely appalling. you should see me. i was livid with it and also, again, you know, wearing string tops to it. i thought her choice of clothing was absolutely terrible . was absolutely terrible. >> here she's dressed quite similarly. you see those pictures just there? quite similarly to some of the people welcoming her, so . so there you welcoming her, so. so there you go. take a look at that. i mean, she's wearing the same outfit

more or less, as that young lady who appears to be. >> yes, but that young lady isn't going as a sort of royal that young lady could. we could be anybody. we didn't. we weren't introduced to her. we don't know. she they're they're trying to mock the royal family. and so they've got to show something which is dignified. and i don't think that's dignified. i think it's absolutely appalling and completely unnecessary. >> and why do you think that meghan markle made those wardrobe choices? what might have motivated that choice of outfit? >> well, i think she didn't have aides to help her. i mean, the royals who who go out, they have a lot of discussion. they have weeks of studying it and what's appropriate and what isn't . but appropriate and what isn't. but my one of the things i think is that her behaviour looking like that, so inappropriate, will sort of slide down to affect the royal family because they had so much that was royal, you know , much that was royal, you know, they were going from one thing to another, and i and i think

that it wasn't just a visit, it was harry and meghan trying to take over from the advantage that king charles and william, prince william can't go away. and so therefore they can and they can take it away from the royal family. so they're modern, they're fun and everything else. and also , she arrived, an hour and also, she arrived, an hour late for a meeting, which she was supposed to co, run varne. and the woman there was also very , intellectual woman and she very, intellectual woman and she was furious with her. she didn't like the way she came with just, you know , band here and there. you know, band here and there. and she didn't like the fact that she actually didn't talk about what was going on in the country. she wasn't caring about that. she was talking about herself and her children and what it's like being a mom. and she said they weren't interested in that. they came. perhaps if you have ideas, you can discuss , you have ideas, you can discuss, commercialisation here and all those things . and she's just

those things. and she's just very unpopular. >> i mean, to be fairto very unpopular. >> i mean, to be fair to the couple, they did receive a hero's welcome and did feel a bit like a royal visit because of the pageantry. and the red carpet rolled out lots of fans, lots of bouquets of flowers. many would argue that meghan looked very elegant and very smart. however, it definitely rubbed the first lady up the wrong way, didn't it? and what did she mean when she said that meghan and harry or meghan was looking for africa? what do you think she meant by that statement? >> i think she was looking to be very important there because she said , this is my home, this is said, this is my home, this is my country. she'd go there and she'd want to be queen. i mean, she'd want to be queen. i mean, she wants to be queen. was she implying that meghan was somehow appropriating the culture? absolutely she absolutely. >> does she have a right to do that considering she has lineage there? >> the prime minister, the president refused to see them. so you get the idea of what they're worried about . angela, i they're worried about. angela, i wish we had longer. >> we could do an hour. we could do the whole show on this, couldn't we? but can i just very briefly, a couple of seconds to ask you. we reported yesterday on a story circulating that

princess catherine may not be seen in public until at least 2025. what is your understanding of the situation? >> my understanding is to shut it all up with us trying again and again to find out. is it kate? i think it is bunker. well, we don't know. i bet you she doesn't know. but the doctor doesn't know yet because it's a long, a long attention to making her. well, it needs a lot of time, and it does hurt you in your. time, and it does hurt you in your . you time, and it does hurt you in your. you can't sort of get better very, very quickly . and, better very, very quickly. and, you know, they're doing like they did before. before she mentioned that she'd had cancer. okay. and they should leave her alone and just be quiet and wait i get you get you'll get about 2 or 3 days notice and then she'll do it. well, there you go. we don't know when wise words couldn't agree with you more. >> angela, come back and see us again soon. my thanks to revered royal author and harry biographer angela levin. next up, an incredible mark meets and a story of family tragedy. find

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next. a huge crisis at bbc's strictly come dancing. i'll deal with that at 10:00. it might take at ten. you won't want to miss it, but first mark meets. and this evening , politician and evening, politician and businesswoman, the right honourable. the baroness, mayor who was awarded a cbe for her work in drawing attention to the shocking and devastating crime of child abduction , with of child abduction, with a personal story of her own to tell. despite having custard vie of her two sons. catherine maier's german ex—husband, refused to return them to london after a summer holiday visit in 1994. this led to an almost decade long legal battle with the german and english courts . the german and english courts. to gain access to her boys, baroness maier speaks about her incredible story in two books that she's written . one in that she's written. one in particular is called they are my children. two. she went on to found a charity which is now called action against abduction and has used her platform to campaign on the broader issue of

children who go missing for any reason. she's also the widow of the wonderful sir christopher mayer, former british ambassador to the united states. baroness mayer. welcome to mark dolan tonight. a privilege to have you on the show. you lost your two sons for a decade. it started with a summer holiday in 1994. what happened ? what happened? >> well, i sent them on holiday to see their father . i had to see their father. i had custody, and we had an arrangement that they would spend their holiday with their father and. and two weeks. well, less than that , seven days less than that, seven days before they were due back, i received a letter telling me that my ex—husband , or sorry, my that my ex—husband, or sorry, my husband at the time was not going to send them back. and after that , it was the beginning after that, it was the beginning of a sort of nightmare, a kafkaesque situation, which in a sense , if you start describing sense, if you start describing it, you will not believe it . and it, you will not believe it. and the point was that for nine

years i practically did not see my children , even though i had my children, even though i had custody. even though the british courts , ordered the immediate courts, ordered the immediate return of the children to the united kingdom, the german courts did not abide by this international convention. and so it was a terrible, terrible period. and i can imagine any parent can understand what it is not to be able to see your children and not to be able to do anything that you would have expected. the law would have been there to protect you. >> catherine, what did this put you through emotionally? nine years of more or less no contact with your sons. not being able to speak to them on the phone, have letters, photographs . can have letters, photographs. can you tell me about the personal toll on you ? toll on you? >> no, because i think it's impossible to describe . it's impossible to describe. it's just it's just you know, horrible. because you don't sleep at night. you worry about

them in some ways. i started this charity and i met many other parents who were in the same situation in some ways, it's nearly worse than losing a child through death because there is no closure and then people start judging you and they think, how come your children have not been returned? how come you can't see them ? so how come you can't see them? so it's incredibly, incredibly difficult and it's the worry and it's even physical. you know, i miss them physically. you know the cuddles worrying for them. and but i have to say a positive because the positive is that through this nightmare it's also how i met christopher , my how i met christopher, my beloved husband, who died only two years ago. and also through this trauma , i finally met my this trauma, i finally met my children again , ten years later, children again, ten years later, my eldest son phoned me when he turned 18, and now we have a

really, really nice relationship. and so to any other parent who goes through this horrific trauma, i say never give up. and then the one thing i also say is, now that i'm in the house of lords, i will continue to fight to make people understand the trauma. and unfortunately , you know, a and unfortunately, you know, a lot of marriages end up in divorce and this is bad, but can please, please adults sort of think of the children you know, what it is doing to the children because they are basically the people who suffer the most. >> baroness mayor, a privilege to have you on the show with your remarkable story. your husband was a lovely guy. he was a regular on the show. he once told me to calm down a bit, and he was right to do that. and there you go. this book survivors a quick word on that. i've got a couple of seconds. tell me about this book. >> that is the book that christopher was still writing when he died. and i decided i have to do everything to publish

it. and so i published it posthumously. and it's called survivors, which my grandmother was. my mother was. and as you heard my story, i am as well. and it's an amazing story. it's, it's a basically historical drama about my grandparents who escaped the bolsheviks, and my mother who escaped. they ended up. she ended. >> i tell you what we're going to do . we're going to get you to do. we're going to get you back on the show, and we're going to do a proper conversation about it. let me say that the book is called survivors by the late, great christopher mayer, and that was his wife. thank you, baroness mayer. a fascinating conversation . will definitely do conversation. will definitely do part two of that conversation. next up , a part two of that conversation. next up, a crisis at the bbc and strictly find out why next. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> hello there! welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast

from the met office. looking ahead to bank holiday monday and its remaining unsettled across the uk with some further showers at times. reason for the ancestral weather is this area of low pressure. it's going to hang around all weekend and into next week, maintaining this unsettled feel for the rest of sunday. still, the risk of some further heavy rain , especially further heavy rain, especially across parts of scotland, but down towards central and eastern parts of england, it will turn dner parts of england, it will turn drier and clearer. so here a bit of a chill in the air first thing on bank holiday monday. but elsewhere under the cloud and rain temperatures holding up above 10 to 11 degrees. so as i mentioned, some clear skies initially down towards eastern and central england. so some sunshine here first thing in the morning. further west we will see some showers and they will migrate their way eastwards as the day goes on for northern england and northern ireland again , a mixture of some cloud again, a mixture of some cloud and a few bits of brightness. but again some rain around southern scotland. the risk of

some persistent rain still here, with a mixture of bright spells and a few showers further north, but it's in fact across parts of northern scotland where we do start to see the sunshine heat the ground, we will see some heavy and thundery downpours develop into. watch out for some thunderstorms here as we go through the course of the day elsewhere. still the risk of some showers, but they will be fewer and further between compared to sunday and also a little bit lighter. but for all of us it will be a slightly cooler day. i think highs reaching around 1617 possibly. maybe the odd spot in 18 degrees. onto tuesday , a bright degrees. onto tuesday, a bright start in the east, but another band of rain will spread in dunng band of rain will spread in during the course of the day, turning brighter but showery behind it. but all the time, temperatures reaching only at best, average remaining unsettled. on wednesday and thursday, but hints of something a bit drier and brighter coming through as we head towards next weekend . weekend. >> looks like things are heating up boxt boiler

gb news. >> it's 10:00. on television. on >> it's10:00. on television. on radio and online. in the united kingdom and across the world. this is mark dolan tonight. following shocking allegations about one of the professional dancers on bbc's strictly, i'll be dealing with the biggest scandal in the show's history. also is the introduction of national service. the kick up the backside that british youngsters need and is the sun newspaper about to sensationally back ? sir keir starmer. i'll be back? sir keir starmer. i'll be asking the sun's former editor kelvin mackenzie. plus, tomorrow's front pages, a packed show, lots to get through. and let's not forget it is bank houday let's not forget it is bank holiday weekend so you can have a late night. let's have a lively hour. why don't you uncork a bottle of something french? or fire up the kettle

and let's get to work. a busy houn and let's get to work. a busy hour, lots to get through a crisis at the bbc. what's going on with strictly? and would i do that show? find out after the headunes that show? find out after the headlines with the very rhythmic ray addison . ray addison. >> thanks, mark. good evening. here's all the latest from the gb newsroom. police investigating the murder of a woman stabbed to death on a bournemouth beach have released cctv images of a hooded suspect on friday night. a 34 year old was pronounced dead at durley chine beach, while another 38 year old woman was hospitalised with serious injuries and she remains there tonight. both are from poole . a 17 year old boy from poole. a 17 year old boy was arrested on suspicion of murder and remains in custody. dorset police are urging anyone who recognises the person on your screen now to get in touch urgently . a british horse rider urgently. a british horse rider has died at an equestrian event in devon. 36 year old georgie

campbell , who in devon. 36 year old georgie campbell, who had in devon. 36 year old georgie campbell , who had represented campbell, who had represented great britain numerous times, fell whilst jumping a fence on the fourth and final day of the bicton international horse trials. governing body british eventing say she was immediately attended to by medical staff, but could not be saved. the horse, global quest, was uninjured . now the raf pilot who uninjured. now the raf pilot who died when his spitfire crashed near raf coningsby , has been near raf coningsby, has been named as squadron leader mark long, police and emergency services rushed to the scene on langrick road in lincolnshire just before 1:20 pm. on saturday. described as a passionate professional aviator for the last four years, he'd been a pilot with the battle of britain memorial flight. the mod has described the incident as a tragic accident and an investigation into its cause is now underway . eight people were now underway. eight people were taken to hospital earlier after severe turbulence on a qatar airways flight from doha to dubun airways flight from doha to dublin , dublin airport said dublin, dublin airport said emergency services, including

police and fire and rescue, met the plane as it landed safely shortly before 1:00 this afternoon. the injuries to six passengers and six crew occurred as they were flying over turkey. the proposed return of compulsory national service was rejected by a defence minister, just days before the tories pledged to make it law if the party wins the election. andrew murrison insisted there were no plans to reintroduce the policy , plans to reintroduce the policy, and said it could damage morale if potentially unwilling recruits were forced to serve just two days later. as we now know , rishi sunak has outlined know, rishi sunak has outlined plans to make all 18 year olds choose between serving in the army or volunteering in their local community. labour has dismissed the policy as headline grabbing gimmicks. dismissed the policy as headline grabbing gimmicks . and finally, grabbing gimmicks. and finally, the shadow chancellor says there will be no increases to tax or national insurance under a labour government . rachel reeves labour government. rachel reeves is promising a tough set of spending rules that she says will grow the economy while keeping taxes, inflation and

mortgages as low as possible. the tories say their plan, the current economic plan, is working, but labour is arguing that people are feeling worse off. well. for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts . simply scan the qr news alerts. simply scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts. back now to the very rhythmic himself . mark. >> thanks, ray. welcome to mark dolan. tonight is the introduction of national service . the kick up the backside that british youngsters need . i'll be british youngsters need. i'll be asking fearless former government minister ann widdecombe. also tonight is the sun newspaper about to sensationally back sir keir starmer. i'll be asking the sun's former editor, kelvin mackenzie . plus tomorrow's mackenzie. plus tomorrow's newspaper front pages and live reaction in the studio from my top pundits. linda jubilee , neil top pundits. linda jubilee, neil pansh top pundits. linda jubilee, neil parish and nigel nelson . a parish and nigel nelson. a packed hour, those papers are

coming. ann widdecombe waiting in the wings. but first, my take at ten. i've never done strictly. i've got two left feet. i have no timing and i've got about as much rhythm in me as stonehenge. plus going on that show is not good for your marriage. the curse of strictly would no doubt strike. there's no way that those female dancers could keep their hands off me. they're only human. but this dance competition has been one of the biggest success stories in tv history , bringing in in tv history, bringing in celebrities who have little to no previous ballroom experience . no previous ballroom experience. the likes of my dear friend ann widdecombe, who of course will be joining us in a couple of minutes. being thrown around the studio like a handful of pizza doughin studio like a handful of pizza dough in a performance judges described as a mixture of horror and comedy. how dare they? and

who could forget tv news legend john sergeant dragged across the polished dance floor like a discontinued zanussi fridge? these plucky celebrities , these plucky celebrities, alongside a few stars who do have experience of musical theatre , all demonstrate a sense theatre, all demonstrate a sense of fun, hard work . they practice of fun, hard work. they practice for hours on end, they give it their best and demonstrate a willingness to laugh at themselves along the way . it themselves along the way. it really is one of the greatest tv formats of all time, but it now faces a mortal threat. the telegraph newspaper report that the bbc are to receive a dossier of evidence to support serious complaints about one of strictly's professional dancers, the pneumatic italian powerhouse giovanni pernice, a man with a six pack so robust you could eat your breakfast off it. a number of celebrities who took part in the competition have employed top lawyers to file complaints about injuries and mental

anguish suffered in training. the corporation is gathering evidence about claims of brutal training methods , bruised limbs training methods, bruised limbs and a gruelling boot camp atmosphere. now, pernice has previously said that he is merely a perfectionist who wants to get his partners ready for strictly's saturday night shows, whilst also caring for them greatly. he strenuously denies the allegations and has won support from other previous partners like the lovely debbie mcgee . but tv actress amanda mcgee. but tv actress amanda abbington , who starred in abbington, who starred in sherlock, left strictly halfway through for medical reasons, subsequently saying that she'd been diagnosed with post—traumatic stress disorder . post—traumatic stress disorder. after her stint on the show, she was partnered by pernice. meanwhile, another of his partners on the 2016 series, laura whitmore , spoke of her laura whitmore, spoke of her time on strictly, writing, i was placed with a dance partner. i

was extremely uncomfortable with. in the end, i felt broken. i cried every day. now these allegations against pernice are multiple and very serious mental trauma, physical injuries. these claims must be addressed if pernice female partners have suffered physically or mentally. my heart goes out to them and it saddens me to hear that the likes of whitmore, a wonderful broadcaster , or abingdon, a huge broadcaster, or abingdon, a huge acting talent, should be reduced to tears. but folks , welcome to to tears. but folks, welcome to showbiz. this is a tv programme with millions of viewers. the pressure to win is enormous . the pressure to win is enormous. the competition is fierce. giovanni pernice is an extraordinary physical specimen, a gifted dancer with a performance cv. as long as your arm , this guy is long as your arm, this guy is the best in the business and has won strictly in the past because yes, he is a perfectionist . if yes, he is a perfectionist. if you do a dance competition and

you do a dance competition and you want to win, you're going to have aching limbs , bruised feet have aching limbs, bruised feet and grazed knees. i get that from doing this show. strictly is going to be physically and mentally draining. you're going to land on your backside . that to land on your backside. that happens on this show. there will be bumps and scrapes , sweat, be bumps and scrapes, sweat, blood and yes, tears. now if anything truly egregious or inappropriate has happened that goes beyond high standards and healthy competition, then yes, pernice must face the consequences of his actions. but let me tell you, you don't get to the top by accident. we know that gordon ramsay, the world's most famous and successful chef , most famous and successful chef, is famously fierce in the kitchen with a mouth dirtier than a ford transit van. margaret thatcher, margaret thatcher, a woman whose cabinet meetings whilst in high office were about as jolly as a trip to colditz. sir alex ferguson, famous for the hairdryer treatment in which his yelling was so loud in your face it literally felt like warm air was

blowing in your direction. it's no accident that he is arguably the greatest british manager in the greatest british manager in the history of football. no pain, no gain. but in these woke times where your feelings matter more than the facts , and with more than the facts, and with mental health now becoming an industry fuelled by counsellors charging by the minute and pharmaceutical giants offering a solution in a bottle, it seems that high standards, tough love and excellence are no longer acceptable. everything's got to be touchy feely and caring and sharing. the bbc should stand up for their star italian dancer , for their star italian dancer, but i think it's more likely that their next choreographed move will be to throw him under the bus , whether guilty or not. the bus, whether guilty or not. giovanni pernice has probably had his last dance . now the bbc had his last dance. now the bbc and giovanni pernice have both been contacted for comment.

we've not received a response yet. it's a bank holiday, i'll concede that. but your reaction gb news communaute. i'll get to your views shortly, but first, tonight's top pundits. political commentator linda duberly , commentator linda duberly, former conservative mp and now farmer neil parish and gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson. linda jubilee, over to you . over to you. >> i think you've hit the nail on the head. the fact of the matter is that giovanni comes from planet professional , matter is that giovanni comes from planet professional, and some of the other people that have been complaining come from planet amateur. now, i appreciate the talented actresses. or they maybe they've got performance skills, as you said. one of them, laura whitmore, is a talented broadcaster. but at the end of the day, this guy giovanni is a top , top level dancer. that's top, top level dancer. that's like being a world class athlete. of course, he's got high standards. of course he's going to put these people through their paces. what did they think when they signed up

for this? they were going out for this? they were going out for a teddy bear's picnic. no, not at all. the fact is, one of them has got bruised feet. it's dancing at a high level. yep. that's what happens . as someone that's what happens. as someone said, didn't they say it happens at a happens in professional dance competitions and weddings? you get hurt . dance competitions and weddings? you get hurt. but post traumatic stress disorder? no i just don't think it's on. >> you're not having it, nigel nelson, do you have sympathy for the complainants in this case? do you think pernice has a case to answer? well i do really. >> that's why i disagree with linda on this one. that if amanda abbington got ptsd as a result of taking part in strictly, there's something seriously wrong here. and the bbc have a duty of care to their celebrity contestants. they should be psychologically screened, and it's been reported that they're not unlike itv's dancing on ice, which does do that. so if the bbc have not been keeping an eye on the

welfare of the people that come in, i mean, they're not professional dancers. so i think that that if they are being damaged either mentally or physically , the bbc has got some physically, the bbc has got some questions to answer on this . questions to answer on this. >> okay. i mean, what do you think about this, neil, clearly the guy has denied the allegations a bit of trial by media going on here, isn't there? yeah. i mean, ijoin media going on here, isn't there? yeah. i mean, i join you, mark, in the fact that i've got two left feet. >> so going on strictly come dancing, i it would not happen. can i just say that i've seen you waltzing around, neil. >> i've seen you milking cows and you do it with. yeah, grace and you do it with. yeah, grace and panache. it's like this. it's like. >> i think i would be the male equivalent of ann widdecombe going round the stage, so. but but seriously, i think that, if you agree to go on strictly come dancing, it's going to be tough. it's a bit like me going into a boxing ring with a professional. i'm going to get knocked out, so if you what? we don't know is those individuals, even those that are complaining, and did

they really want to win and did they really want to win and did they really want to win and did they really want to be put through their paces? and if they did, then giovanni was actually doing what his job was . so doing what his job was. so i mean, it's interesting that it seems to have taken these things seems to have taken these things seem to take so long before the complaints sort of come through and that that i'm not so sure about. and that that i'm not so sure about . and i think, i think if about. and i think, i think if you go on strictly come dancing, you're going to win. you're going to try and win. and i think you go in there and you're put through your paces. and so i think it's i think you've just got to be tough enough to do it or don't or don't volunteer . or don't or don't volunteer. don't volunteer or go in in the first place. >> i've got to say , i can see >> i've got to say, i can see you in sequins, okay? especially when you're milking me, milking the cows and you need the money because you're a farmer. but listen, listen . what do you listen, listen. what do you think about this? i'm going to get the views of ann widdecombe, who's next? of course. she starred famously in strictly. i'll also be asking , ann, starred famously in strictly. i'll also be asking, ann, is starred famously in strictly. i'll also be asking , ann, is the i'll also be asking, ann, is the introduction of national service the kick up the backside that

british youngsters need? and in an exclusive mark dolan tonight people's poll we've been asking were nigel farage's comments about some muslims not sharing british values islamophobic? the results are in. i shall reveal all. plus ann widdecombe, i think in

well, does the strictly star giovanni pernice have a case to answer ? lawyers have been answer? lawyers have been brought in. the bbc are looking at evidence of mental cruelty of physical injuries from major stars on strictly the first big crisis in the show's history. will jane has messaged in gbnews.com/yoursay and jane is a gb news member who says as a dance teacher, i like to watch the training they're put through. i think it's a metoo situation that's happening to giovanni. i remember brendan cole received similar criticism. carl says why did this lady not

tell giovanni to tone it down a bit? and were her feet too bruised to walk away? she's pathetic. and now playing the mental health card. i suppose it's great publicity though, says carl. carl, i think that's pretty harsh, what you've got to say. but mark dolan tonight is the home of diverse opinion, and if that's what you think, i will put it on the air. penis is a high quality dancer, says john. these women are verging i don't know what that means, greg. what does verging mean? i've never heard that, but i detect it's negative unless it's a typo. but thank you for that. oh, blimey. okay jacqueline, says mark, i think you're pronouncing giovanni's name wrong. penis is an italian name, and i believe it ends in the pronunciation che per nichi. there you go. that's me . told jacqueline. thank you me. told jacqueline. thank you for the correction. always like to have corrections on the show. we don't get it all right, do we? lots more to come. the papers we? lots more to come. the paper's on the way. but first, the newsmaker in the company of former government minister ann widdecombe. but first, the results of an exclusive mark dolan tonight people's poll were

nigel farage's comments about some muslims not sharing british values, islamophobic 88.1% say no, whilst 11.9% say yes. there you go. a bit of a landslide there in favour of nigel. keep those opinions coming. we'll return to that in the papers. but it is time for the newsmaker now in the company of ann widdecombe and ann, before we get to the big story of the day, your reaction to the strictly scandal? does this chap panic have a case to answer ? have a case to answer? >> i doubt it very much. i mean, for heaven's sake, we're talking about a dance competition. >> you don't get post—traumatic stress disorder from a dance competition. you get it from a world war or something like that. and the fact is that if you're taking it seriously and you're taking it seriously and you want to do well , you're you want to do well, you're going to find it hard going. now, that didn't apply to me. anton took one look at my efforts and decided that the last time i spoke with my feet

on the floor, the better. and as you can see there, he's making quite certain that my feet aren't on the floor. >> but you worked hard on that show, and you got better every week . and so you do have to week. and so you do have to apply yourself, don't you? it's apply yourself, don't you? it's a demanding show to do if you are taking it seriously . are taking it seriously. >> it is hugely demanding. you're training long hours and it's tough because you don't begin off as a professional dancer , at least most of them dancer, at least most of them don't. and it can be very tough. but you know, i keep a sense of proportion about this. and the other thing is this, which a lot of people may not realise , it is of people may not realise, it is not the professional it is the celebrity in inverted commas, who is the boss. and the celebrity can say at any point had enough training for the day. i don't want to go any further . i don't want to go any further. the celebrity can say at any point that move is too hard. i don't want to do it. i think i might get hurt and people somehow think that the poor little things have got to do everything they don't. they haven't . haven't. >> and you were brilliant on

strictly. were there any moments in the process of doing it, whether that was rehearsals or the live shows, when it got the better of you ? better of you? >> no, because as i say, you know, we weren't taking it seriously. i certainly wasn't expecting to win. i did think it might have been fun if we got into the semi—final, but we just didn't quite make that, but it, it was fun, i enjoyed it. i've never had such a fun time. and it was a wonderful release from responsibility because a few months earlier i'd still been in parliament and now i was free and i couldn't affect anything for the worse except antonsen's. it was wonderful. >> and as per my take at ten, i think, sadly, that it's likely that giovanni pernice has had his last dance. i'm not sure he will be back on strictly. do you think that's fair? >> i think that is very unfair. totally unfair . and >> i think that is very unfair. totally unfair. and i think that he should be back on. and i think it's time that we tell these people who are wimping ages after the event, i might point out who are wimping about

it now simply to throw up their agree with you. >> anne. couldn't agree more. let's get to rather more significant matters. the conservatives have set out a plan to require 18 year olds to take part in a form of national service. if the party wins the election on the 4th of july. rishi sunak said the scheme would promote a shared sense of purpose among our young people and a renewed sense of pride in our country. labour has labelled the plan a gimmick and other parties have criticised the government for its record on cutting troop numbers. the proposed new scheme would not be conscription, where people are legally required to join the armed forces for a period, but it would compel people by law to complete a community programme over a 12 month period or enrol in a year long military training scheme when they turn 18. and is this the kick up the backside that britain's youngsters need? >> i don't think it is , i really >> i don't think it is, i really don't i mean, first of all, the army at the moment is so depleted that to take on that

extra responsibility , vie, you extra responsibility, vie, you know, is really going to be extremely difficult for them. and the government doesn't appear to have address that at all, secondly, of course , you all, secondly, of course, you know, by the time you're 18, you may have decided what you're going to do. supposing you want to go and do voluntary service overseas? well, you can't under this, you join up the army instead. supposing you've left school earlier than 18 and you're already working. well, what's this going to do , and i what's this going to do, and i think there are all sorts of questions there that the government just hasn't considered. it's gone for the populist option, but the practicalities really need sorting out. and i think it's significant that at this point, they can't even tell us what the sanction is going to be if you refuse to do it. >> and do you feel that young people lack discipline compared, for example, to your generation ? for example, to your generation? >> i mean, i've no doubt about that. and i've no doubt that national service, you know, played its role. but the whole purpose of national service, is not to get the army , to make

not to get the army, to make things right socially with the youth . it's to skill the youth. it's to skill the civilian population. in preparation for a time of war. that's what it's supposed to be about. now, maybe the government knows something i don't . knows something i don't. >> and what's your reaction to the snap election? we haven't spoken since the prime minister pulled the trigger . i've pulled the trigger. i've received a message on whatsapp from an unnamed, but high profile conservative backbencher who is not happy. i said, what do you think of this date? are you happy with it? he just said, no exclamation mark. what do you think about the timing of this national poll? >> well, it was extraordinary. i mean, he's effectively handed the opposition power six months before he needed to . so why has before he needed to. so why has he done that, there's not such compelling good news that it makes it worth doing . if you had makes it worth doing. if you had a really good piece of news, it might be, i don't really understand why he went for this opfion understand why he went for this option . it appears to be a bit option. it appears to be a bit of panic caused by reform. but, you know, that's no good reason

to hold a general election , and to hold a general election, and what do you think, about the campaign so far? what's your overview? clearly labour enjoy a commanding poll lead , but the commanding poll lead, but the campaign so far, are you willing to sort of share your verdict on who might be edging it? >> well, i think there's no doubt at all that that labour is more than edging it at the moment. and if things go on as they do , we're going to have a they do, we're going to have a labour government, and i'm bracing myself for that because i don't believe any labour chancellor who says there will be no tax and national insurance rises, there may not be for the first few months. there will be after that because they've got such a big spending plan. >> of course , rachel reeves, the >> of course, rachel reeves, the shadow chancellor, has been very firm and very clear that she will not raise national insurance contributions or income tax. but, ann, of course, you're entitled to your view, and you've been right in the past. you've got no doubt you'll be right again in the future. look forward to catching you in a week's time. my thanks to former government minister the brilliant ann whittaker. next up, folks, we've got tomorrow's

front pages with full pundit reaction. plus, how about this is the sun newspaper about to sensationally back sir keir starmer? i'll be asking the sun's former editor, kelvin mackenzie. don't

okay. it's 1030. and. alison, let's have the. let's have the graphic and the sting bit of music, and it sets up the papers. that's what's coming up. yeah, i think you'll agree. that was elegantly done, the daily telegraph young royals face national service in sunak plan. young royals will have to spend a year in the military or volunteer in the community under conservative plans to revise rafe national service. we've not earned the trust of the british public, starmer warns. private schools must cut costs to pay vat bill and heat pumps are too

expensive , mps warn . daily expensive, mps warn. daily mirror, nao and tories latest barmy plan desperate national service will cost billions. it's the last thing the military needs and leaked documents suggest teens would be jailed for refusing . and a rare good for refusing. and a rare good news story. alton towers, leah marries fellow crash survivor joe. my best day, of course. this is leah washington and joe pugh, who were injured on a ride at alton towers. i think it was the smiler ride. the devastating accident . but they found accident. but they found happiness after what they've been through. we wish them well. the eye newspaper now , and we the eye newspaper now, and we have a labour plan to rebuild. britain will rely on private finance. starmer's ten year strategy for major projects such as roads, railways, ports, offshore wind and housing will be set out within a year. if he wins the general election, labour will pledge to overhaul the planning system for any

national significant infrastructure proposals. a promise also made by sunak's government funding plan could cause controversy . after cause controversy. after widespread criticism of tony blair's use of the private finance initiative, shadow chancellor rachel reeves today ruled out increasing income tax or national insurance under a labour government, but did not rule out spending cuts. i won't hold my breath, the guardian sunak national service plan is bonkers, says ex—military chief zelenskyy in appeal over peace summit . and in that number, fans summit. and in that number, fans delight as saints go marching into the premier league. congratulations to southampton , congratulations to southampton, who are now a premier league team, and commiserations to leeds, who did not prevail today. but i'm sure will be back in time. the times now labour we will act fast to win trust on securing party and day trips on prescription for lonely pupils. those are your front pages.

let's get full pundit reaction now from political commentator linda jubilee, former conservative mp and now farmer. i bet he's glad he got out of the commons in the nick of time. neil parish and gb news, senior political commentator nigel nelson. let me tell you that it's a very happy occasion, actually. two very good things happen this week . producer greg happen this week. producer greg had his birthday and we've celebrated with the world's smallest chocolate cake. but we're going to have to share it with neil parish because neil is your birthday as well. it is. and i'm told it's the big five zero. so congratulations. >> yeah, slightly . >> yeah, slightly. >> yeah, slightly. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> apparently you put your age through gary barlow's accountant. >> yes. that's good. at least he subtracted some of it. >> well that's it. listen. happy birthday . can >> well that's it. listen. happy birthday. can i say >> well that's it. listen. happy birthday . can i say whatever age birthday. can i say whatever age you are? you look in rude health. so happy birthday to you. we'll spare you the ignominy of singing at you . but ignominy of singing at you. but i think greg's going to bring some cake in during the break. can i just ask you your reaction to that ? rather surprised. news to that? rather surprised. news of an election on the 4th of july. you were on those back

benches a couple of years ago. so how would you feel now if you were a tory? would you be unhappy about the dates? >> well, i think i'd be terrified, you know, certainly facing the electorate at the moment. but you know, whenever they face them, it was going to be thus. i mean, i suppose the one thing that rishi sunak did actually achieve was an element of surprise, now, whether the surprise will help, i don't know, the situation is that , you know, the situation is that, you know, the situation is that, you know, inflation is down, the economy is improving. and so he's he's going to go for it. i think the one thing you can say to him, he didn't drag it out to the very last minute. if you i think you might be a slight advantage if you were a sitting member , would you feel ready for member, would you feel ready for the campaign? i mean, i suppose most members would be ready, but like i said , i suppose i think like i said, i suppose i think the trouble that most tory mps will have is that they were not they're not looking forward to this campaign because you can imagine it will be difficult on the doorstep. and so i would think there's very mixed views out there, but the thing is, the gun had to be fired at some stage. it's off and they'll have

to get on with it. you know, that's the way politics works. >> it is a borderline miracle that they kept this secret, don't you think ? don't you think? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> we were all amazed. i mean, some of the cabinet didn't even know when they were going into downing street. is it because sunak decided 11 minutes before he announced it? >> is that why it was a secret, or how long do you think they were planning this? >> i don't think they were planning for very long. i think what happens all weeks? oh, probably days on the basis that , probably days on the basis that, jeremy hunt probably told him. sorry, boss, we've run out of money, they've got too many, too many bills coming up. it's the infected blood scandal. £10 billion worth of compensation . billion worth of compensation. the subpostmasters have to be compensated . we haven't even got compensated. we haven't even got anywhere near the waspi women yet. and that's another 3 to 7 billion. so there was no room for tax cuts in in an autumn budget on the basis of that, why not go now if you can't promise anything for the future , there's anything for the future, there's no point holding on. >> you don't think the decision was as bonkers as some are

suggesting it is? >> no, ijust suggesting it is? >> no, i just think it was a decision forced on them that i expected him to go in november. hoping something would come up. but obviously they got to the point of saying there's just nothing left. linda, you think this was just essentially a few days before the announcement? >> i think it was 3 or 4 days. i think 1 or 2 people like oliver dowden knew what was going to happen. i think it happened , happen. i think it happened, and, you know, now that a decision has been made, i think we're all a little bit relieved. i gather that he actually went to the king without telling cabinet first, which is relatively unprecedented. >> and of course, lord cameron, the foreign secretary, was in albania. yeah shapps was. >> and we got clues, didn't we? we got clues because , because we got clues because, because there was a big old to do with, with lord cameron being in albania. they lined the streets in flags and they've got all the bunting out and everything else. and, you know, it was a big deal and, you know, it was a big deal. and he had to come back. >> and then he was there for 89 minutes. and that was it. >> they do you think this was the least bad option in the end

for sunak? >> it's very difficult to say you it's such a difficult risk calculation . but i think he got calculation. but i think he got some good figures and he thought okay you know this. there's a tide in the affairs of men. i'm going to go. >> i think the figures were better at the moment. they were probably getting slightly worse down the road like you say, a lot of bills to come. and i think he said, right. and i also think, it, it stops all those backbenchers who decide that they're going to unseat him, because at the moment, the general election is called. they have to unite. they have to get on with it , have to unite. they have to get on with it, and i think if i was rishi sunak, i would have probably made the same decision myself. >> nigel nelson, the guardian sunaks national service plan is bonkers, says ex—military chief the telegraph. young royals face national service in sunak plan. has this policy backfired before it's even started? >> yes , and not just the royals. >> yes, and not just the royals. i would imagine that rishi sunak's daughters , if they're sunak's daughters, if they're not being educated in california by the time it comes in, yeah,

this is a this is a plan that was drawn up on the back of a fag packet, which of course , fag packet, which of course, rishi sunak can't ban now. so that's where it came from. there's no detail in there anywhere. yeah i wonder whether sunakis anywhere. yeah i wonder whether sunak is so stressed he's actually taken up smoking . actually taken up smoking. >> no. yeah. you can ask i think what is mexican coke when it's at home. >> another conversation. >> another conversation. >> but as plans go i mean the idea, the idea of talking about about compulsory volunteering, there are two words that do not go together . so it was just it's go together. so it was just it's an absurd plan , if you want to, an absurd plan, if you want to, if you want a national, national service system, which i'm not against. yeah. david cameron tried it and it just fizzled out because it became a holiday camp for middle class kids, basically, but if you actually want something like that, don't use don't use stick use carrot, encourage them to go and do it. and that's what he hasn't done . and that's what he hasn't done. >> but nigel, you're being a party pooper again because

actually the public will love this policy. the prime minister is not stupid. he announced it. but that's what it's all about. >> what about the. >> what about the. >> what about the. >> what about the 18 year olds who have to actually carry it out? they don't want to love it. >> all i need is a kick up the backside. >> i think it's difficult to implement, but i'm not against this because i think it actually we have got a short we've got a shortage of people going into the armed forces. i think perhaps if you give them a taste of the armed forces, some of them may well decide to further it into their career. so, i mean, i think the whole thing is complicated and, yes, difficult to get there. but i, i wouldn't rule it out and i wouldn't sort of necessarily say that it's all wrong. >> but if you want to do it properly. >> yeah. i mean, it's certainly been brought in at the last minute , especially when you had minute, especially when you had andrew murrison actually saying, what, 2 or 3 days ago that it wasn't going to happen . i get wasn't going to happen. i get all that. but see, nobody knows what's in the manifesto . when what's in the manifesto. when i was in parliament, you know, if you've got one line in the manifesto that you knew was going in, you were lucky and see, nobody knew when the election was going to be called

either , and so therefore the either, and so therefore the whole thing, you know, even if you're a cabinet minister half the time, you don't know what's in the manifesto. i mean, it's a crazy way we call these elections and do them in some ways . but of course, it's trying ways. but of course, it's trying again to have an element of surprise . and yes, i dare say surprise. and yes, i dare say the policy, would be a little bit of populism. but look, the headune bit of populism. but look, the headline in the mirror say that desperate. >> is that fair? in regards to the prime minister, does this look like a desperate policy? >> well, it looks like a gimmick . that's what it looks like. and that's happened before . and that's happened before. and whilst i agree with you, it would be popular with the public. they kind of do like the sound of it. but when you when you're going to implement a policy like this, you've got to think it through. i talked to a former military guy today about this, and he said, the problem is you've got 30, 40,000 people come in, they do a year's basic training. they just get to the point where they can offer something proper, and they get the opportunity to leave and they go . the other problem they go. the other problem you've got is that the type of person you want to sign up isn't the type of person that would

really benefit from this problem. you know, you've got really well adjusted people that don't have a problem, that can find jobs, etc. etc. but i but i still think it might encourage some in that wouldn't have thought of the military in the first place. >> so i don't think it's all bad to be honest with you. very small number, but i think i think it is difficult to implement. and nigel nelson square it off. >> how do you square off when you know that our , our military you know that our, our military has been hollowed out over a number of years , as i know number of years, as i know they've got more money lately, but at the end of the day, you've got to spend proper money on the military. >> yeah, it's been a long time underfunded. >> not on a little bit more than one party over the last couple of decades. >> nigel, briefly, if you can, the i newspaper labour plan to rebuild britain will rely on private finance. this sounds very blairite . very blairite. >> is this a bit? >> is this a bit? >> but i mean, they've already said that , the rebuilding plan said that, the rebuilding plan is great. british energy. and the idea there is that if we led the idea there is that if we led the world in green technology, you could get actually not just

just economic growth, but a real boom . jeremy just economic growth, but a real boom .jeremy hunt just economic growth, but a real boom . jeremy hunt says it's boom. jeremy hunt says it's worth £1 trillion to british business by 2030. if we get this whole thing right now, great british energy will be a public owned company . british energy will be a public owned company. but you british energy will be a public owned company . but you obviously owned company. but you obviously need private finance to be invested in it to make it work. so it will be a partnership between the private sector and the public. >> neil, i remember! remember >> neil, i remember i remember coming in in 2010 when we had a note from the, you know, the three liam broady, there's no, no money left . it was worse than no money left. it was worse than that because they'd done all these ppi deals. >> liam was joking , build, build >> liam was joking, build, build all these schools. >> and then we had to pay for them. right. and so and then, you know, the councils have to pay you know, the councils have to pay for them. the schools have to pay for them out their budgets. it all looks wonderful. but in the end it has to be paid for . but in the end it has to be paid for. in a but in the end it has to be paid for . in a way, but in the end it has to be paid for. in a way, it's but in the end it has to be paid for . in a way, it's better for. in a way, it's better actually to pay it up front and then at least you know what you've spent. >> well, listen, coming up, does anyone seriously think that labour won't raise taxes if they win the election? i'll debate

that with my pundits. plus more front pages , including the daily front pages, including the daily mail and is the sun newspaper about to sensationally back sir keir starmer? i'll be asking the papers keir starmer? i'll be asking the paper's former editor, kelvin mackenzie . that's .

next. >> no. >> no. >> okay , well, listen, folks, >> okay, well, listen, folks, lots more to get through. got the daily mail in just a moment. but let me tell you that it is not only producer greg's birthday. this week, but today it is our lovely pundit, neil parish's birthday. so, neil, i've splashed the cash. right. this is tesco. taste the difference? is it no expense? oh, no no no , wait a minute. oh, no no no, wait a minute. taste. the difference is sainsbury's isn't it? sainsbury's isn't it? sainsbury's is. now this is the finest. other supermarkets are available. you've got lidl , aldi available. you've got lidl, aldi do very good. >> thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> cake . you've also got >> cake. you've also got waitrose and you've got morrisons . i've been through all morrisons. i've been through all of them. >> i'm not you, you sort of.

>> you're hedging your bets now aren't you? >> thank you. >> thank you. >> londis and. okay. i'm running . i'm running out of brands now. >> you are the expert. >> you are the expert. >> probably got shares in all of those, have you, mark? >> definitely a happy shopper . >> definitely a happy shopper. well, there you go. well look, happy birthday. also we missed linda's birthday. she was on air with us on the 5th of may. and it was your birthday. and so happy birthday. belatedly. thank you, fabulous. happy birthday. belatedly. thank you, fabulous . fabulous. okay, you, fabulous. fabulous. okay, folks, so we've got the daily mail. now let's have a look at the front page. and we have rishi fights back after his national service plan is ridiculed. and a really tragic story . georgie campbell, who story. georgie campbell, who died today, horse racing star. excuse me, a horse riding star dies after fall at water jump. so, so sad and a real tragedy of a great athlete and a fabulous person . okay, well, it's time person. okay, well, it's time now for the last word with former sun newspaper editor kelvin mackenzie. the co—founder of talksport as well is the sun

newspaper about to sensationally back sir keir starmer in 1997, the paper famously supported tony blair. in 2009, they returned to the tories, backing david cameron. so could they switch sides yet again? kelvin, good to see you, do you think rebekah brooks is mulling over a pro starmer front page at some point? >> well, actually , with respect >> well, actually, with respect to miss brooks, it's not her call anyway . she's a workaday call anyway. she's a workaday chief executive. it's rupert murdoch, even although he's retired, still likes to dabble in politics. and he will decide what's what on the question that you raise an important question. if the sun did endorse starmer, that would be an absolute disgrace . yes. back in 2013, disgrace. yes. back in 2013, 2014, he was deep . actually, it 2014, he was deep. actually, it was a bit before that he was dpp when 25 sun journalists, all of whom were cleared, by the way, all of whom were cleared after three years of having their lives ruined. right and the

thing about mr murdoch is that i know from personal experience, and anybody will tell you who works for him, whether it's the management, the editors or the journalists, he drove them forward to get bigger and better stories. why bigger stories? equal bigger sales. bigger sales at that time to led bigger, advertising revenues and more profits . so the truth is, he profits. so the truth is, he handed over to the police, organised very cleverly a whole series of emails and invoices which were looked as though these journalists were guilty. they weren't guilty of anything. they weren't guilty of anything. the lord chief justice said they weren't guilty of anything. right. journalist jobs is to find stuff out. and actually, as you all know , and as you've just you all know, and as you've just seen with the post office, there's a whole series of prs and management who are spending their entire time trying to stop you, often funding these organisations from knowing what's going on anyway . so

what's going on anyway. so rupert in pushes you forward to get the stories and then immediately the old bill come knocking. what does he do ? he knocking. what does he do? he hands over all the information and absolute disgrace . so the and absolute disgrace. so the truth about the matter, if he endorses endorse his starmer, this will be a shocking journey that he's been on. and i really do object to him even thinking about it. my advice to him is sit it out . but he won't do that sit it out. but he won't do that because he will want things from a labour government going forward. and he thinks the endorsement of the sun matters. it doesn't matter at all. you know, when i was there, you know, when i was there, you know, basically half the country was reading the paper every day. today honestly, it is rare as rocking horse , manure right out . rocking horse, manure right out. and it doesn't matter what the sun thinks anymore. now it does. in a funny way. it does matter what the times thinks, but actually in relation to print, generally a new sites, generally the days of influence in that

way don't matter. so i have no idea why he wants to do this, but i think it would be an absolute disgrace if he does it. but he he , uniquely, for rupert, but he he, uniquely, for rupert, he has some strengths , and one he has some strengths, and one of them is his ability to honestly see it. basically, the phrase which follows rupert around is lower the lifeboat i'm in right . he around is lower the lifeboat i'm in right. he doesn't. he honestly couldn't give a monkey stuff about anybody or anything. what is in his own interest. and if he thinks it's in his own interests , he wants to be on the interests, he wants to be on the right side of the argument. he doesn't care one way or the other. what he cares about is money. he doesn't care about power, and he doesn't care about influence. it. will it help? my bottom line in the long run? so actually, it would be a shocking moment if he does it. but there have been other shocking moments , so he probably doesn't care what i think. >> well, kevin, stay with us. let me bring in our top pundits, linda jubilee, neil parish and

nigel nelson. linda, do you think that the media will influence the outcome of the next general election , whether next general election, whether it's the sun, the times newspaper, the mirror, gbp news, bbc one, you name it. >> i think that kevin's right that the sun won't have as much anywhere near as much influence as it used to have. the times may well have influence. i think social media will have a lot of influence this time, but where i do completely agree with kevin is that rupert is going to go exactly where his commercial interests lie. that is exactly what's going to happen. >> you see, mark, i'm i'm old enough to remember the 92 election and they had neil kinnock in a light bulb in the sun. and then with the last man out of britain, actually turn out of britain, actually turn out the light and, and the sun at that time claimed mackenzie won the election for the tories, but you know, the leadership leadership then as as was said was much higher. but i mean, i think they will go whichever way they think will suit them. well,

listen, i kelvin was my first bossin listen, i kelvin was my first boss in the media. >> i'm not prone to disagree with him, nigel nelson but what i would say is yes, not many people read the sun anymore, but labour would hail that as a sort of big pr victory, wouldn't they, nigel? >> yeah, i think that that it's symbolic. >> i think kelvin is absolutely right that newspapers have no longer got the kind of influence they used to have in the past, because not that many people are reading them nowadays , but it is reading them nowadays, but it is symbolic. if the sun turns there because it's rupert murdoch, so my, my guess is, by the way things are looking, if rupert murdoch went for tony blair in, in 1997, i think it's highly likely he'll go over keir starmer okay in 2024. >> kelvin i've only a winning horse. >> kelvin, thank you so much for joining us. i've only got a couple of seconds left, you've been really interesting on twitter over the last few months. i think you feel like i do that actually , the tories and do that actually, the tories and rishi sunak is a little underpriced in the market, and

perhaps starmer and labour overpriced . do you think there's overpriced. do you think there's anything sunak can do to get his nose across the line, i'm not suggesting he's going to get his nose across the line. but the idea that as one poll showed the other day that he was 25 points in front is for the birds, my bet is that it will be a lot closer, but it still feels like a single single. you know, a high single figure win for , for high single figure win for, for starmer, you know, those , those starmer, you know, those, those old fashioned things like that national service thing which has come in for ridicule today. yeah, actually, funnily enough, that kind of thing will chime with some kinds of there you go , kelvin. >> you chimed with us tonight. we'll catch up soon, thanks to my pundits , and i'll see you my pundits, and i'll see you friday at eight. headliners this next. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello there. welcome to your

latest gb news weather forecast on the met office. looking ahead to bank holiday monday and its remaining unsettled across the uk with some further showers at times. reason for the ancestral weather is this area of low pressure. it's going to hang around all weekend and into next week , maintaining this unsettled week, maintaining this unsettled feel for the rest of sunday. still, the risk of some further heavy rain, especially across parts of scotland , but down parts of scotland, but down towards central and eastern parts of england, it will turn dner parts of england, it will turn drier and clearer. so here a bit of a chill in the air first thing on bank holiday monday. but elsewhere under the cloud and rain, temperatures holding up above 10 to 11 degrees. so as i mentioned, some clear skies initially down towards eastern and central england. so some sunshine here first thing in the morning. further west we will see some showers and they will migrate their way eastwards as the day goes on for northern england and northern ireland. again, a mixture of some cloud and a few bits of brightness , and a few bits of brightness, but again some rain around southern scotland. the risk of

some persistent rain still here, with a mixture of bright spells and a few showers further north, but it's in fact across parts of northern scotland where we do start to see the sun shine, heat the ground, we will see some heavy and thundery downpours develop into. watch out for some thunderstorms here as we go through the course of the day elsewhere. still the risk of some showers, but they will be fewer and further between compared to sunday and also a little bit lighter. but for all of us it will be a slightly cooler day. i think highs reaching around 1617 possibly, maybe the odd spot seeing 18 degrees onto tuesday . a bright degrees onto tuesday. a bright start in the east, but another band of rain will spread in dunng band of rain will spread in during the course of the day, turning brighter but showery behind it. but all the time, temperatures reaching only at best, average remaining unsettled. on wednesday and thursday, but hints of something a bit drier and brighter coming through as we head towards next weekend . weekend. >> looks like things are heating up boxt boiler

gb news. >> good evening. i'm ray addison in the gb news room. headliners is coming up next. but first, our top stories tonight. sir keir starmer will say economic security , border security and security, border security and national security will form the bedrock of the labour party manifesto. in a speech on monday, labour and the tories look set to clash over who will best protect the country as general election campaigning enters its first full week. it comes after rishi sunak announced plans to introduce compulsory national service. the prime minister has also committed to raise defence spending to 2.5% of gdp by 2030. police investigated the fatal stabbing of a woman on a bournemouth beach, have released cctv images of a hooded suspect on friday night. a 34 year old was pronounced dead on durley

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