news. >> well. good afternoon . >> well. good afternoon. britain. it's 12:00 on monday, the britain. it's12:00 on monday, the 27th of may. i'm emily carver , and i'm patrick carver, and i'm patrick christys. >> now. the election battle . >> now. the election battle. over young people. the election battle is heating up. yes. that's right . labour say, let that's right. labour say, let them vote. the tories say make them vote. the tories say make them serve. what will resonate more with the british public and the fight for the women's vote? >> labour's wes streeting now says you're not a bigot. if you want to protect women's changing rooms. and he wishes he'd spoken up sooner. but does this fly in the face of labour's other policy to make it easier for adults to change their gender and tax, tax, tax? >> jeremy hunt says that he's going to slash your taxes if he remains as chancellor, while rachel reeves promises she won't raise national insurance and income tax if she lands the .

job. another big topic for us today is nigel farage's comments over the weekend about certain elements of the british muslim community and a lack of integration . it's caused a huge integration. it's caused a huge amount of hoo ha. we've got the very latest on all of that, but i want to know your views, post your comments, visit gbnews.com/yoursay let us know what you think on the whole host of topics there. >> we should say we will be showing you a little clip of what he had to say if you haven't seen it so far. the accusations are that he has been islamophobic, racist and so on and so forth. this was in an interview with trevor phillips. so we'll show you that and see see what your views are . see what your views are. >> yes, yes, it'll be interesting to see what you have to say. but first it's your headlines. >> patrick, thank you. and good

afternoon from the gb newsroom . afternoon from the gb newsroom. it's just after 12:00. the labour leader has described the conservatives plans to reintroduce national service as desperate. he's dismissed a prime minister's proposal to make all 18 year olds choose between serving in the army or volunteering in their local community. but sir keir starmer said there was desperation behind the policy and that it would be paid for by cancelling levelling up funding and tax avoidance, which his party would use to invest in the nhs. >> i do accept the proposition that we need a, strong defences and that has to be the first duty of any government, but i think this plan is desperate. i think this plan is desperate. i think they are rummaging around in the toy box to try and find any plan that they can throw on the table. i don't think it'll work . you've seen what military work. you've seen what military experts, those with experience, have said about it. you see what the government said about it just a few days ago when they were asked. that would take away from the resources of the military .

military. >> well, the conservative party has defended rishi sunak's plan for the compulsory national service. foreign office minister anne—marie trevelyan says the party wants to make sure britain is secure. >> the rest of the world is in a really rough place at the moment and we've got to make sure and that's the work that we do through nato, the incredible leadership that the uk shows why it is that we believe these things are important to stand up for, so i'm very surprised by anyone who thinks that those values, defending those values, ensuring our young people are resilient as individuals and as part of a community is something that they would think isn't a good thing. >> meanwhile, the lib dems have launched their general election campaign in scotland. speaking in fife , lib dem leader sir ed in fife, lib dem leader sir ed davey says it was time for change. >> the people of scotland have been doubly let down, let down by an out of touch conservative government in westminster and taken for granted by an

out—of—touch snp government in holyrood. they both have to go. yes to other news now police investigating the fatal stabbing of a woman on a bournemouth beach have released cctv images of a hooded suspect. >> a 34 year old woman was pronounced dead on durley chine beach on friday night, whilst a 38 year old woman was hospitalised with serious injuries . both women are from injuries. both women are from poole. a 17 year old boy was arrested on suspicion of murder and remains in custody. dorset police are urging anyone who recognises the person in the cctv picture to get in touch urgently. more than 300 million children a year are victims of onune children a year are victims of online sexual exploitation and abuse. online sexual exploitation and abuse . that's according to new abuse. that's according to new research from the university of edinburgh . it found 1 in 8 of edinburgh. it found 1 in 8 of the world's children have been victims of non—consensual talking, sharing and exposure to sexual images and video in the

past year. it also estimated 12.5% of children globally have been subject to unwanted sexual talk and sexual acts act requests by adults or other youths as melanoma. skin cancer cases in the uk are at an all time high, with nearly 21,000 expected to be diagnosed this yeah expected to be diagnosed this year. cancer research uk says rates of melanoma have increased by almost a third over a decade. it's understood there's been an upward trend in cases in all ages , but the biggest rise has ages, but the biggest rise has occurred in adults over 80. beth vincent from cancer research says all skin types can get melanoma, but that around 17,000 cases every year are preventable i >> -- >> your skin tone does affect your risk of skin cancer. people at the most risk are people with lighter skin tones , so light lighter skin tones, so light coloured hair and eyes as well. lots of moles and freckles, a history of sunburn or a family history of sunburn or a family history of sunburn or a family history of skin cancer. but people with darker skin tones

can still burn and can still get skin cancer. anybody can get skin cancer. anybody can get skin cancer. anybody can get skin cancer . skin cancer. >> israeli airstrikes on rafah have killed at least 35 people, according to the hamas run health ministry in gaza. israel says it wants to root out hamas fighters holed up in rafah and rescue hostages it says are being held in the area. the idf says the strike was carried out with precise ammunition and on the basis of precise intelligence . well, those are intelligence. well, those are the top stories and for all the latest to sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news common alerts. now back to patrick and . patrick and. emily. >> well, the first full week of general election campaigning has kick started with a bang. >> yes, the big dividing line right now is what to do with

young people. labour's say let them vote. the tories say make them vote. the tories say make them serve. >> rishi sunak has taken to social media to defend his national service policy . national service policy. >> no, i'm not sending everyone off to join the army. what i am doing is proposing a bold new model of national service for 18 year olds. they'll be able to choose to spend 12 months in a full time military commission or or one weekend per month volunteering in roles within your local community, like delivering prescriptions and food to elderly people or in search and rescue. this will give all young people valuable life skills, make our country more secure and build a stronger national culture. >> and today, sir keir starmer hit back well, this spinning round and round, it's symbolic of the chaos and the instability. >> you've seen that again over the past few days, that the desperation of this national service policy, a sort of teenage dad's army. >> well, there you go. but other key lines are the fight for the

women's vote, labour's wes streeting now says you are not a bigot if you want to protect women's changing rooms. and he said he wishes he'd spoken up for women sooner. but does this fly in the face of labour's other policy, which is to make it easier for adults to change their gender? >> tax? tax tax is another big one. jeremy hunt is saying he'd slash your taxes. rachel reeves is promising that they won't raise national insurance and income tax, and we certainly won't be increasing income tax or national insurance if we win the election. but they will tax private schools, and that's going to be one of our big debates today. i want to hear from you on this. will labour sink the state school system? >> yes. and another big one is nigel farage's comments about elements of the british muslim community yesterday . community yesterday. >> we're talking about muslims. >> we're talking about muslims. >> here we are. and i'm afraid i found some of the recent surveys saying that 46% of british muslims support hamas , support a muslims support hamas, support a terrorist organisation that is

proscribed in this country. >> well, there we go. i mean, there has been considerable backlash to it. there's also been a lot of support. again, let us know what you make of what you said. is gbnews.com forward slash your say yes . forward slash your say yes. >> that is the way to get in touch. first though, we're going touch. first though, we're going to speak to general lord dannatt , former head of the british army, no less, about that bold pledge from the tories to bring back national service , this is back national service, this is an interesting one, lord dannatt. just your , your first dannatt. just your, your first reaction to this ? reaction to this? >> well, my first reaction is that actually, i'm quite pleased that actually, i'm quite pleased that defence and security has found its way into the general election agenda, often it's said there are no votes in defence, so it doesn't get discussed. now, the particular proposal that rishi sunak has put forward, i think even by the government's admission, has taken everyone by surprise. it's clearly not thoroughly thought through. but for all that , it's through. but for all that, it's worth giving consideration to.

and as i said, it's at least got defence and national security onto the onto the agenda of the present moment and forcing a response from keir starmer. >> yeah. so apparently there are around 700,000 school leavers every single year. what he said is that there will only be 30,000 places for people who do want to take a full time military post, one of the big criticisms of this is the british army does not need people who don't want to be there and who are dead weight, but actually 30,000 people. they would be volunteering . so that would be volunteering. so that wouldn't really be a problem, wouldn't really be a problem, would it? they would want to be there. >> no, i think the proposal has got some merit, the merit that i see is of that very large number of 18 year old school leavers every year if let's say, 30,000 were to join the armed forces for a year, frankly, in a year they wouldn't contribute much to military capability. but what they would do year on year is grow an increasing pool of people in the country who had

spent some time in uniform and that should there be a national crisis in the future, those would be the first people that could be recalled, given further training, and then they would contribute to military capability . so contribute to military capability. so on that contribute to military capability . so on that aspect of capability. so on that aspect of it, i'm cut half full. where i'm more concerned is if this programme was not fully funded and some of the funding for those 30,000, having that year's experience was to be taken from the defence budget as it stands today, then our overall military capability would be diminished. now that's not acceptable . this now that's not acceptable. this has got to be a programme with new money, above the additional, money that's already been committed. 2.5% of gdp to defence as long as there is new money, then i think there is some merit in this. but don't let's fool ourselves, 30,000 just for a year is not going to significantly increase our capability in the short term. in the long term, it would grow a pool of people who have some understanding of what the military is about. >> yeah, indeed. well actually, apparently, some of the other money is going to come from a

non—military fund as the uk shared prosperity fund. so that actually could answer one of those concerns that you've got there. i just want to talk about there. i just want to talk about the psychology of it, okay. because the national service, this is not just about people joining the military. it is also about people doing things in their local community and therefore becoming more community minded. but focusing on the psychology of 18 year olds having a year in the military when you have a huge amount of experience overall, would that be a good thing for 18 year olds who will then go on to be, you know, adults like the rest of us in this country? would that be a good thing psychologically for them ? psychologically for them? >> well, if you go back to when we had national service between 1949 and 1963, that generation would say that the 18 months and it became 24 months eventually, that they spent in uniform were really valuable and formative penod really valuable and formative period , a period in their lives. period, a period in their lives. so there's actually no reason why that shouldn't be the case

for 18 year olds today. but as your introduction said, there's about 700,000 a year that leave 30,000 going into the military is a drop in the bucket. i think we need to focus on the other. the vast, the much larger proportion of 18 year olds, what would they be doing? i think this notion of doing one weekend a month is kind of neither one thing nor another. if we're going to ask 30,018 year olds to spend a year in the military, i think all 18 year olds should spend a year working in the nhs, working for the fire service, whatever it is, giving a full time, piece of their life for national service . that's national service. that's equitable, that's fair, but it's pretty radical. >> it is pretty radical. as i agree with you. it doesn't sound like too much of a commitment, really. the alternative to the military service, but something that johnny mercer, the veterans minister, tweeted, i think this is something that people really care about. he says. anything that unites communities with a sense of service and awareness of what other organisations do is great. it gives pride and

purpose and challenge to those that often feel most left behind. this is one of the strongest arguments for everyone having to do something at one stage in their life. it brings people together . it may also people together. it may also help equalise people and make people see things from other people's perspectives. that's got to be for , good you know, got to be for, good you know, greater social cohesion in this country. we often talk about how it can be quite fragmented, our society. this might be good for things like patriotism . things like patriotism. >> yes. i think johnny mercer makes a very good point, and i think that's the point that probably rishi sunak is trying to make. i don't think initially dropping this on us on a bank houday dropping this on us on a bank holiday saturday was a very clever way of going about it, but i think the notion of 18 year olds giving a year of their life early in their life to the wider community, they can get a whole range of benefits from that, not least as i've already made the point in going as far as those who go to the military, as those who go to the military, a pool of people who have got some experience of the military,

who could then be called back if necessary and give further training. so i think it's an idea that needs to be looked at, i think they will admit it's half baked. it's premature. the idea wasn't sort of socialised to commentators beforehand , so to commentators beforehand, so it needs it needs to be thought about and it's also because the idea is out there, the genie is out of the bottle, and it does force the labour party to come up with its own view on, on whether this is a good idea or not and whether they would respond to the initiative. yes >> it's quite in contrast to their offer of, votes for teenagers. absolutely. for 16 year olds. thank you so much, general lord dannatt. really interesting to get your perspective on this. you are the former head of the british army, it's interesting. so steve baken it's interesting. so steve baker, conservative mp, massively breaking ranks on this. and i can't help but wonder whether or not this is one of the reasons why the conservatives find themselves in the position that they are in nationally. so he says this proposal was developed by a political adviser or advisers and sprung on candidates, some

of whom are relevant ministers . of whom are relevant ministers. now, with respect, even though i think it's pretty obvious to most people that this policy was probably drawn up on the back of a fag packet and dished out at the last minute. there are merits to this, where every single person watching and listening to this can see the potential upsides to this policy. for somebody like steve baken policy. for somebody like steve baker, who's a conservative, you know, he's in government, as it were, to come out and just basically say, well, this is this is a bit of a slapdash policy. you think you've got. why would you do that? you've got five, five, five and a bit weeks now to just suck it up. steve. you know just why. this is why the tories are in the position they're in. but you make a great point about the battle lines now when you go and vote in the polls on on july the 4th, it's going to be do you want your child conceivably to be able to vote, or do you want your child to do a bit of national or community service? yeah. >> and on that, i mean, they have there have been many surveys on national service, whether people want it to be brought back. and actually there are more people out there in britain who support this idea than oppose it. of course, there

always are lots of don't knows. >> well, i mean, there is there are more people who support it as a concept. >> having a compulsory national service , for young people. service, for young people. >> there is in fact, the data on this is quite interesting. yeah. there is a plurality of people who decide that they actually do do, although it is older people who support it. >> i must say, the younger age group aren't so keen. >> yes, there's a minus rating in the 16. i think it's i think it's 18 to 35 or something like minus seven. and then the over 65, they're, they're, they're really ramping it up. but hey, maybe they've got lives accumulated wisdom behind them. and they are correct about all of this. get your views coming in. >> yes. please do in.— >> yes. please do , in. >> yes. please do , but in other >> yes. please do, but in other news, 12 people have been injured on a flight due to turbulence. this is the second incident where passengers have been injured due to turbulence in the past seven days. what is going on? >> seems a bit weird. well, irish network rte spoke to one of the affected passengers next

to a warm dinner came off my lap. >> yeah . just food all over the >> yeah. just food all over the plane, on the ceiling, everywhere . this managed to everywhere. this managed to happen. oh so yeah, it was just atrocious. >> oh dear, oh dear. split trousers got a lot of questions about that, to be honest. >> i mean, i've been in turbulence before. i'll never split my pants, but. but yeah , split my pants, but. but yeah, happened to this man. it happened to this man. it happened to this man. it happened to that man. we've got all of that coming your way to find out what's going on, though, with this turbulence. >> some people are saying it's all down to climate change, that because the world is heating up, we're seeing more severe movements in the air and so on, other people are saying it's always happening. we're just been reporting on it much more now. but we'll be talking about that. we're also gonna be talking about nigel farage's comments, and yeah, loads more coming your way. so make sure you

hello and welcome back to good afternoon, britain . now, as the afternoon, britain. now, as the general election campaigning enters its first week, the battle lines are being drawn on the big issue of security and rishi sunak is pledging to introduce, as you've been hearing, national service for 18 year olds, something that sir keir starmer described as desperate at this spinning round and round. >> it's symbolic of the chaos and the instability . you've seen and the instability. you've seen that again over the past few days, that the desperation of this national service policy , a this national service policy, a sort of teenage dad's army. >> but it's all very earnest, isn't it, the labour leader insisted instead promised to make economic border and national security the bedrock of his party's manifesto. >> well, let's get a little bit more now from gb news political correspondent katherine forster who's been with labour leader sir keir starmer today. catherine, what have you got for us? >> yes. good afternoon. patrick

and emily, welcome to the seaside. we're here down near worthing, where sir keir starmer has been giving the first big speech, basically, of this election campaign, and a couple of main messages. i think coming from it, the first thing is he realises labour has admitted that although they've got this huge lead in the polls, that thatis huge lead in the polls, that that is largely because people are really cross with the conservatives rather than that there is a particular wild enthusiasm for what labour are offering. so the first part of it, i think, was a sort of this is me, this is who i am. he's come down here, this is the area he grew up in. he was talking very personally about his childhood, about his parents saying, you know, that he came from a working class family, that he knew what it was like when his parents had to decide which bill not to pay because they couldn't pay all of them. so sort of reaching out to people, really feeling the cost of living crisis . despite that, of living crisis. despite that,

he's got a sir in front of his name, which of course not terribly helpful to him, perhaps so , that was, his his reach out so, that was, his his reach out to sort of introduce himself. i think a lot of people, he has been leader for years, but a lot of people still particularly are not really listening. but now they might be, of course, because there's an election just a few weeks away, the other main message i took from it really was, trust me . basically saying, was, trust me. basically saying, you can trust me, you can trust laboun you can trust me, you can trust labour. this is a change. labour party, i will fight for you now, of course , you know, he did of course, you know, he did support jeremy corbyn twice . he support jeremy corbyn twice. he did support a second referendum on brexit, but he has undergone quite a transformation. and he's saying forget all of that now. i will do the right thing for you . will do the right thing for you. he's saying change. but yes, stability as well. i mean, it might sound like an apparent opposite, but he's basically

saying you've had chaos with the conservatives. come to us, we will look after you and we will keep you safe , he was asked keep you safe, he was asked about national service. he said it was a teenage dad's army. it took a bit of relish in that. of course it's come in for a lot of criticism. he was also asked if he had enough energy. he's 15 years older than rishi sunak , years older than rishi sunak, who's always energetic. and basically he said, absolutely , basically he said, absolutely, just watch me. so, yeah. monday bank holiday and here we are. >> oh, catherine, thank you very, very much. the tories are trying to make katherine forster, by the way, and we'll be hearing a lot more from her throughout the course of the day, so the tories are really trying to make this sleepy starmer thing stick, aren't they? >> they are calling him sleepy. starmer, sir. sleepy. yeah i mean, obviously it's, you know, the joe biden gag really, isn't it? yep. joe. and they're trying to make it happen in this country. do you think it will happen? do you think people will start calling, keir starmer, sir? sleepy. >> you can say what you like

about him. he's only 61, i believe, as well. >> and there is old enough to be called sir. sleepy >> with respect, there is a world of difference between joe biden and keir starmer. but, sticking with the old labour on the on the old labour stuff, keir starmer is, he is having to go a bit on the, on the defensive really over this private school stuff because there's he wants to slap this tax. >> slap vat on the school fees and now quite a lot of people are pumping out, you know, the facts on this and how much it could end up costing the state system. this is why we're going to have this debate later on about whether, you know, regardless of the private school issue, whether actually it's going to affect the state system . yeah, all of those kids whose parents can no longer afford the fees, where are they going to be sending them to the local state school? where's the extra money going to come for all of that? and, you know how many people how much is this going to cost? the treasury? how much is it going to cost the taxpayer? >> yeah. is it workable? basically. is this workable? but sir keir starmer has also said that people old enough to work should be allowed to vote, as he confirmed that he would seek to

allow 16 and 17 year olds to take part in future elections. >> yes, the labour leader said anyone paying tax should have a say in how their money is spent. >> however, there is no firm indication of how quickly the policy will be implemented. if he were to win the july 4th election, then so should the voting age be lowered to 16. let's speak now to a member of the youth uk parliament. is luke marwood. luke, great to have you on the show. right then vote votes for kids or not? >> absolutely. i think, votes at 16 should be implemented, you know, 16 year olds already having to pay national insurance and income tax , yet they don't and income tax, yet they don't get to vote. who, runs the country and how it's run, you know, and to me, that just doesn't seem like a true democracy. >> luke, how many 16 and 17 year olds are paying national insurance and income tax, a very large majority. you know , large majority. you know, everyone's getting part time jobs and, yeah, like i said, they don't get to decide how they don't get to decide how they choose run . they choose run.

>> but by that logic, luke, adults who don't pay tax, they shouldn't be allowed to vote. >> well, no, because they're above 18. we're talking about lowering it to 16. and the, people are saying that, 16 shouldn't be able to vote because of maturity. yeah i know plenty of 16 year olds who are, mature than, many adults i know. >> so i think that's clearly a very politically engaged young man. you're a member of the uk youth parliament, a lot of people think that the labour party are keen on this idea because they'll assume that many young people will vote for left wing parties. they're more likely to be socialist, more likely to be socialist, more likely to be idealistic, even even communist, even even communist. >> yeah, well, you've seen the polls, polls are showing that 16 year olds are more inclined to vote labour, which does it did make me think whether keir starmer was doing this , to, starmer was doing this, to, improve democracy or as a political gain for, to strengthen his, political party

in future general elections. but to me, i just think that 16 should get the vote because it's a true representation of democracy in the uk. >> yeah. i mean, look, just to , >> yeah. i mean, look, just to, just just to pick up on something. i know that we've spoken about the tax issue is going to be a big one here. the other one is about serving in the army or if they're old enough to serve in the armed forces, they don't get frontline roles in the military at 16. so there is a question mark over that. but it would have to be as a 16 year old, you'd have to be an employee earning more than £242 a week from one job. so or self—employed, and making a profit of more than 12.5 grand a yeah profit of more than 12.5 grand a year. and with respect, i don't know how many 16 year olds that actually really does apply to, to be honest, because you have to be honest, because you have to be honest, because you have to be in training or education until you're 18. >> now in this country. >> now in this country. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> but they are still paid national insurance , so shouldn't national insurance, so shouldn't that mean they should be able to get the vote? >> okay. and are you are you concerned because the other aspect for me on this is we touched on it a bit there, which is people go, oh, won't really

matter because the turnout will be so low because young people, you know, all those lazy tropes, young people won't get out of bed and all of that stuff. i mean, i actually think we can see this coming a mile off. there's going to be mini buses outside schools on polling day, and the schools are going to be putting it on. i think the turnout is going to be really, really high. >> you'll have the teacher saying, you'll have the teacher saying, you'll have the teacher saying, now we're not telling you how to vote. >> well, that's what i'm worried about, you know? >> but look at this, look at this, look at this. come on, let's all go on a school trip to the polling booth. >> yeah. are you concerned about the potential left wing bias in schools having a massive impact on the election? >> yeah, well, we do see that, in schools, it's. i think some schools they focus more on, kind of, activism rather than actual education, i know that, teachers do, usually take the left wing approach, which could influence, students voting, which, yeah, there is that aspect of it. well, you've given a very balanced view, i, i personally

think you're wrong. i don't think you're wrong. i don't think the vote should be given to 16 and 17 year olds, but you've made a very good argument for it, so we'll we'll open that up to our viewers and listeners now, but thank you very much. and good luck. >> i don't know what good luck. i don't know what goes on with the uk youth parliament when we have a general election as well. but good luck if you are standing or anything. so yeah, take care mate. all right. as a member of the uk youth parliament, it's luke marwood. nice chap. i, i just think i will say this. i think if this does get across the line, i think this will be keir starmer's masterpiece for the labour party. and we'll do a lot more than tony blair ever did. if you can manage to load the dice of having 16 year olds permanently voting in britain forever more, that will forever alter the landscape of british politics, i think. >> well, so are there that many 16 year olds up and down the country saying, i'm desperate for the vote, i'm desperate for the vote before i turn 18? >> have you dangled the carrot in front of their face? i'm gonna say, no, i wouldn't. i would have said yes. >> i would have said yes, yes,

any coming up, we're going to be live with the first minister of scotland, john swinney. lots of questions for him and his campaign north of the border. that's after your headlines with . tamsin. >> heavily. thank you. here are the headlines . at 1232, the the headlines. at 1232, the labour leader has described the concert plans to reintroduce national service as desperate . national service as desperate. sir keir starmer has dismissed the prime minister's proposals to make all 18 year olds choose between serving in the army or volunteering in their local community. the labour leader said there was desperation behind the policy and that it would be paid for by cancelling levelling up funding and tax avoidance, which his party would use to invest in the nhs. >> i do accept the proposition that we need , strong defences that we need, strong defences and that has to be the first duty of any government, but i think this plan is desperate. i think this plan is desperate. i think they are rummaging around in the toy box to try and find

any plan that they can throw on the table. i don't think it'll work . you've seen what military work. you've seen what military experts, those with experience have said about it. you see what the government said about it just a few days ago when they were asked. that would take away from the resources of the military . military. >> while the conservative party has defended the plans , foreign has defended the plans, foreign office minister anne—marie trevelyan says the party wants to make sure britain is secure. >> the rest of the world is in a really rough place at the moment and we've got to make sure and that's the work that we do through nato. the incredible leadership that the uk shows. why it is that we believe these things are important to for , things are important to for, stand up so i'm very surprised by anyone who thinks that those values, defending those values, ensuring our young people are resilient as individuals and as part of a community is something that they would think isn't a good thing . good thing. >> meanwhile, the lib dems have launched their general election campaign in scotland. speaking in fife, lib dem leader sir ed

davey said it was time for change. >> the people of scotland have been doubly let down, let down by an out of touch conservative government in westminster and taken for granted by an out—of—touch snp government in holyrood. they both have to go. yes >> those are the headlines. and for the latest stories , do sign for the latest stories, do sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts .

>> welcome back to good afternoon, britain. now, nigel farage has caused quite a stir after appearing on sky news, saying that a growing number of

young muslims in the uk do not subscribe to british values. >> yes, reform uk's honorary president told sky news's sunday morning with trevor phillips we have a growing number of young people in this country who do not subscribe to british values they loathe much of what we stand for. i think we see them on the streets of london every saturday. so that's what, nigel farage had to say. yes >> well, hopefully we'll get you a little clip of that at some point as well. but does he have a point on all of this ? we can a point on all of this? we can now get the views of the director of the oxford islamic centre, doctor sheikh ramzi. look, thank you very much. great to have you on the show. now i am just going to quote some of the findings of a report that trevor phillips, the bloke who was interviewing nigel farage and appeared to take rather a lot of offence to some of the things he was saying, wrote himself okay, or conducted himself okay, or conducted himself . himself okay, or conducted himself. only 34% of himself okay, or conducted himself . only 34% of the british himself. only 34% of the british muslim community apparently would inform police if they thought that somebody they knew was getting involved in the support of terrorism, apparently

52% do not believe that homosexuality should be legal, in britain, 23% support the introduction of sharia law . i introduction of sharia law. i mean, nigel was right, wasn't he , i don't think nigel was right at all. of course , i believe he at all. of course, i believe he he made from the eamonn , a real he made from the eamonn, a real mountain. and he did not do good for himself as a politician and for himself as a politician and for the reform, which is, of course , is a party which course, is a party which respectable parties with the respectable parties with the respectable people. what we have here, what we have here, he said here, what we have here, he said he said many things which was wrong. completely wrong. he attacked the muslim and he he attacked the muslim and he he attacked the muslim and he he attacked the islam, as is trevor phillips. he said several times. watch what you're saying. what do you do? you want to , go back do you do? you want to, go back and rectify it. do you want to go? are you offended me? i wasn't i was a muslim 1000 years

ago. and, you know, my family and now we come forcefully. we come the christian. but i respect the islam. and i don't believe he was saying this . i believe he was saying this. i don't believe what you're saying is right. and many times he said, but of course, nigel farage, which i respect him very well a lot. nigel farage as i respect you, my brother, but very important. he said wrong. he said wrong, for example. not. he said wrong, for example. not. he attacked a muslim. he attacked the old. he wants to. yeah he wants to shake. >> it's interesting. >> it's interesting. >> it's interesting , though, >> it's interesting, though, because, trevor phillips, the presenter, as patrick said, did this survey into british muslim attitudes. quite a few years ago, there was quite a lot of backlash. he also did a channel 4 documentary into the same thing. he also got into a bit of trouble with the labour party over islamophobia accusations because he said that uk muslims are a nation within a nation .

are a nation within a nation. and he observed how few were wearing, poppies for remembrance day and that sort of thing , so day and that sort of thing, so do you think it's right that people of all, you know, different positions do look into whether there are some issues and extremities in some british muslim? >> a great we have. yes, yes of course they should look at to it. they should. and i'm sure the government, the government is absolutely capable . the is absolutely capable. the police is absolutely capable all over the country. we've got the best policing in the world in this country. and of course we have a prevent. we have many organisations which they come forward and they, they if there is any things they take it for, they take it and they come to they take it and they come to the news. i haven't for many, many , many months at the moment. many, many months at the moment. i haven't heard anybody doing anything , for example, as a real anything, for example, as a real extremism or terrorism or so that, but at the moment focus is, is on the ceasefire . now

is, is on the ceasefire. now this is what they are trying to say, what they, what they of course, nigel farage was saying the people in the, in the street on a saturday, they said disrespect to all, disrespect to the disrespect to the democracy. it is a democracy and people are allowed. >> it's also it's also about i'm going to play you a clip shortly now of what nigel farage actually said. but it is also a question of integrate, and it's also a question of whether or not people who are within the muslim community actually subscribe to our values. so i'm again, reading this report that was commissioned by channel 4 that trevor phillips was a part of. okay and 44% of the british muslim community do not completely condemn those people who take part in stoning or who commit adultery. 39% agree that wives should obey their husbands, 32% refused to condemn those who take part in violence against those who mock the prophet mohammed. so these are

the kind of figures that, frankly , many people think maybe frankly, many people think maybe nigel should have quoted back at trevor phillips. he did not. that's up to nigel. he decided not to do that, can i just play a little clip of what nigel said and then i'll get you to react off the back of it, please. thank you. >> we're talking about muslims. >> we're talking about muslims. >> here we are. and i'm afraid i found some of the recent surveys saying that 46% of british muslims support hamas , support a muslims support hamas, support a terrorist organisation that is proscribed in this country. >> right. do you think that's islamophobic, of course it's islamophobic. if it were, if it was if what? what you are trying to say, if 46% there is no 46 where he get it that from his exaggerating maybe few. of course we have. he's exaggerating completely and he says he says 40. and you have to remember these things. hamas they are not none of them. i believe i meant see many people .

believe i meant see many people. they are not supporting hamas. they are not supporting hamas. they are not supporting hamas. they are supporting the human rights in the gaza . for they are rights in the gaza. for they are saying, as i said, the ceasefire. but what what of course, the, the media does media sees does media sees the somebody says, from the from the river to the sea. it says in the photo. but media does not see. yeah. >> i think, i think what nigel was i think nigel farage was referring doctor sheikh to, some surveys that have been done. rafe survey was what happened on october 7, and i think he was talking about a survey that also showed, only 25% of uk muslims believe that, hamas has committed murder and rape during the october the 7th attacks in israel. >> and this was a survey that also apparently showed that 46% expressed backing for hamas . expressed backing for hamas. >> now, of course, that is just one poll. that is just one poll.

>> i wouldn't think he had the right. there were not. and they are not they are not supporting. again i said, what they are wants to do and everything. you believe me , everything goes away believe me, everything goes away when the ceasefire come and to assess solution and a peace in the middle east. let's work on the middle east. let's work on the peace in the middle east. and let's not think about the he are support. again i said the, spain and ireland and the two other countries they supporting they supporting the gaza's and what they said of course israel or what netanyahu not israel. netanyahu said we take our things. you are you are supporting the hamas and you are a terrorist. of course. do you think the spain is a terrorist ? think the spain is a terrorist? do you think the ireland is a terrorist? these are the brand in branding the people, which is, i think the hamas attacks are one are one survey question. >> of course , there were lots of >> of course, there were lots of other questions about things like adultery and things about homosexuality and all sorts of different social and blasphemy

and that sort of thing. >> some people, some is a free countries. we don't respect, of course, free countries. some people wants to wants to present their opinion. the christian muslim jews, they say we like that or we don't like that. exactly but the government will decide, for example, if the homosexuality goes forward, if there is not and, and the bill goes forward. this is people democrat country full. >> i agree with you. i look i agree with you completely. it's agree with you completely. it's a it's a democratic country . at a it's a democratic country. at the same time though, if there are literal results and polling data is all we've got to go off at this general election at the moment, who's going to for vote who? what's the labour majority going to like? is it going to be a hung parliament? the tories said so. so polling data is a real thing. data does exist and we are also going off polls, which appear to indicate that there are pockets, significant pockets in certain areas of the british muslim community who might not adhere to the norms and ways of life that we have. i think many people might think nigel expressed himself badly on that, but does it make any

islamophobe ? i don't know, but islamophobe? i don't know, but doctor shane ramsay is always great to speak to you and thank you very much for your time. >> and let me tell you one thing, you are one of the best. presenter patrick. thank you. >> oh well thank well you can come back now. so thank you very much . no no no you need to shake kwasi. >> you are good. that's simple as that. you make his head even bigger. >> we gotta go. we gotta go. thank you very much. thank. thank you very much. thank. thank you. all right. thank you very much. all right. okay. >> there you go. right >> there you go. right >> yeah. >> yeah. >> so people are getting you with the confidence. >> i'm gonna get a load of stick. now, i've been i've been bought off by some more flattering me, but which is of course true, but anyway. right. loads more. loads more to come. >> yes. >> yes. >> loads more, coming up, 12 people have been injured on a flight due to turbulence. this is the second such incident where passengers have been injured in the past seven days. what is going on? >> yeah . do you feel right? do >> yeah. do you feel right? do you feel safe on a plane? and we're going to reveal to you the most turbulent route. so if you're about to get on a plane, we'll do. obviously it's probably going to be fine, but we will, yes. >> don't scare people. >> don't scare people. >> put the fear

right. well. good afternoon. britain it's 1251 right. well. good afternoon. britain it's1251 now. right. well. good afternoon. britain it's 1251 now. 12 people have been injured on a qatar airways flight as it passed over turkey. and this is all due to turbulence? >> it is. so the plane was travelling from doha to dublin and dublin airport said that emergency services, including airport police, fire and rescue met the qatar airways flight after it landed. >> now rte spoke to one of the passengers once the flight landed next, warm dinner came off my lap . off my lap. >> yeah, just food all over the plane, on the ceiling, everywhere. this managed to happen. oh so yeah, it was just atrocious . atrocious. >> oh dear. well, this is the second incident where passengers have been injured due to

turbulence in just seven days. so what's going on? >> well, what is going on? let's pose that question to travel and aviation. analyst. analyst easy for me to say. sally guthrie. sally, thank you very much. is this normal? what is happening? should people be worried ? should people be worried? >> yeah, well, certainly we're not used to seeing headlines like this, you know, in succession . and in fact, i'm succession. and in fact, i'm also picking up reports that turkish airlines has experienced some severe turbulence , in, in some severe turbulence, in, in recent days or weeks. so definitely there are, you know, more troubling incidents coming to the fore. but having said that, turbulence is definitely you know, it's always been there. it's always been an issue. i've experienced it and most people have now having said that, what it's really highlighting is the problems with a particular type of turbulence called clear air turbulence called clear air turbulence , which aircraft turbulence, which aircraft cannot detect. and that's the problem. that's why, you know,

the coming out of the blue that people are being shaken up and the pilots don't have control over being able to avoid it, sally, lots of people seem to be looking into this, researchers. scientists and the like, and they're saying that this is all down to, the changing climate. i read one report that suggested that in just 20, 30 years, severe turbulence had increased by 55. can that be true ? by 55. can that be true? >> i think quite a lot of the current evidence or research thatis current evidence or research that is coming from the university of reading , that's university of reading, that's not to say that that there isn't definite, you know, some evidence of, maybe some climate change having an impact. but i think that that science is not yet fully proven. there needs to be more work done on it. and part of the reason for that is it's such a complex, phenomenon in itself, turbulence, you know, we don't know enough of it.

>> we just don't know enough yet. we just don't know enough yet. we just don't know enough yet. thank you. sally we're going to have to leave it there because we're coming to the end of the hour. but thank you very much indeed, aviation analyst sally gethin. >> interesting. so planes can't detect this particular type of turbulence. come on, read out some of the routes. >> okay. we'll give you a couple. santiago. santiago to santa cruz. that's a dodgy one. almaty to bishkek. >> milan to geneva would be a popular one. these are the most turbulent routes. >> lots of them are also in china. by the looks of things . china. by the looks of things. so shenyang, chengdu. >> unless you go to chengdu anytime soon, you'll probably be all right. now. coming up, the royals would not be exempt from national service. what do you make of that ? good afternoon, make of that? good afternoon, britain with me. patrick o'reilly . o'reilly. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> good afternoon. welcome to your latest gb news weather from the met office, where there will be plenty more heavy showers on

the way. for many of us today, these turning heavy and thundery at times, all thanks to this area of low pressure situated across the uk, various occlusion features pushing their way eastwards will bring a focus for those showers through this afternoon and it's eastern parts of scotland, maybe into northeastern parts of england , northeastern parts of england, that will likely to see those heavier showers this afternoon again, with some hail and thunder mixed in too, for england and wales not quite as heavy. those showers compared to what we've seen over the past couple of days, but there will still be a few around and it'll be feeling a little cooler too, with those temperatures only around 17 or 18 degrees, around about average for the time of yeah about average for the time of year. so those heavier showers across eastern parts of scotland will continue as we head through the rest of this afternoon. again, some hail and thunder mixed in into this evening and they could be quite slow moving, but slowly pushing their way eastwards as we head into the latter part of the day. some showers across northern ireland and northern parts of england too, and again these pushing their way eastwards into monday evening . the showers across evening. the showers across england and wales will gradually start to ease as we head into

the latter part of the day, but there is some rain arriving out towards the southwest and that will slowly push its way north and eastwards as we head through monday evening and into the start of tuesday. the showers elsewhere do gradually start to ease overnight, so there will be some clear spells around and under those clear spells we could be turning a little chilly with temperatures dropping into the single figures, but under all that cloud and rain likely to stay that little bit milder temperatures here around 12 or 13 degrees to start on tuesday. so that does mean it's a bit of a damp start for northern ireland, wales and southern parts of england, and that rain does push its way north and eastwards as we head through tuesday daytime. some early brightness across parts of scotland and northeastern parts of england. but that rain does eventually arrive through the afternoon. plenty of heavy showers as well across parts of northern england, wales and southwest parts of england, and temperatures again around about average for the time of year. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors

>> well. good afternoon. britain. it's 1:00 >> well. good afternoon. britain. it's1:00 on monday, the 27th of may. i am emily carver, and i'm patrick christys. yes. the election battle over young people is heating up. neighbours say let them vote. the tories say make them vote. the tories say make them serve. what will resonate more with the british public and the fight for the women's vote? >> so labour's wes streeting now says that you're not a bigot if you want to protect women's changing rooms. and he wishes that he'd spoken up sooner. but does this fly in the face of labour's other policy and actual policy , which is to make it policy, which is to make it easier for adults to change their gender and tax, tax, tax? >> jeremy hunt says he's going to slash your taxes if he remains chancellor. while rachel reeves promises she won't raise national insurance and income tax if she lands the job. >> yeah, there's another big one brewing today. okay, so they're going to tax the private schools . this is labour, we all know that. but we're going to debate

that. but we're going to debate that this hour. so whether labour would actually sink the state school system as a result . state school system as a result. >> now the vast majority of people in this country do not send their children to private school. so labour know that. and so this policy can appear on the surface as a good idea to lots of people, you know , why not of people, you know, why not make private schools pay a little more tax ? you know, it little more tax? you know, it might pay for some good things for the rest of us. yeah. on the surface, however, lots of people have been doing some digging into this and actually found that it could cost the state sector state schools a lot of money. they potentially are going to have to welcome in up to, well, thousands of students whose parents won't necessarily be able to afford to pay the private school fees, plus the tax on top. yeah. >> there's also a question of aspiration involved here. now i'd be very, very keen to hear

from you. and it's gbnews.com forward slash your say if you're a parent or a grandparent what have you contributed towards private school fees and why is that? i mean i know a lot of people. in fact, i would argue probably the majority of people who send their children to a private school have to make serious sacrifices in their own lives in order to do that. and maybe one of the key motivating factors behind it is that they're actually quite scared to send their children to their local state school because they might live in an area where they really don't think it's a safe environment for their children. so it's one thing saying, oh, woe is the parents who would send their kids to the private school. the other aspect of this is the thing that affects everybody, which is what will the impact be on the state school system. so make sure you get in touch with that. >> please do. please get in touch by that address. but it's your headlines with . tamsin. your headlines with. tamsin. >> thanks very much, emily. good

afternoon from the gb newsroom. it's 1:02. the labour leader has it's1:02. the labour leader has described the conservative plans to reintroduce national service as desperate. sir keir starmer dismissed the prime minister's proposals to make all 18 year olds choose between serving in the army or volunteering in their local community. but he said there was desperation behind the policy and that it would be paid for by cancelling levelling up funding and tax avoidance, which his party would use to invest in the nhs. >> i do accept the proposition that we need, strong defences and that has to be the first duty of any government, but i think this plan is desperate. i think this plan is desperate. i think they are rummaging around in the toy box to try and find any plan that they can throw on the table. i don't think it'll work . you've seen what military work. you've seen what military experts, those with experience, have said about it. you've seen what the government said about it just a few days ago when they were asked. that would take away from the resources of the

military . military. >> the conservative party has defended the plan for compulsory national service. foreign office minister anne—marie trevelyan says the party wants to make sure britain is secure. >> the rest of the world is in a really rough place at the moment and we've got to make sure and that's the work that we do through nato, the incredible leadership that the uk shows why it is that we believe these things are important to stand up for, so i'm very surprised by anyone who thinks that those values, defending those values, ensuring our young people are resilient as individuals and as part of a community is something that they would think isn't a good thing . good thing. >> the liberal democrats, meanwhile, have launched their general election campaign in scotland. speaking in fife, lib dem leader sir ed davey said it was time for change. >> the people of scotland have been doubly let down, let down by an out of touch conservative government in westminster and

taken for granted by an out—of—touch snp government in holyrood . they both have to go. holyrood. they both have to go. yes to other news now and police investigating the fatal stabbing of a woman on a bournemouth beach have released cctv images of a hooded suspect . of a hooded suspect. >> a 34 year old woman was pronounced dead on durley chine beach on friday night, whilst a 38 year old woman was taken to hospital with serious injuries. a 17 year old boy was arrested on suspicion of murder and remains in custody. dorset police are urging anyone who recognises the person in the cctv picture to get in touch urgently . a man and a woman have urgently. a man and a woman have been arrested in connection with the fatal explosion at a service station in county donegal. ten people , aged between 5 and 59 people, aged between 5 and 59 died in the blast in october 2022. in the irish village of chrysler . police 2022. in the irish village of chrysler. police investigating the explosion say a man and woman , both in their 40s, have

woman, both in their 40s, have been arrested . melanoma skin been arrested. melanoma skin cancer cases in the uk are at an all time high, with nearly 21,000 expected to be diagnosed this year . 21,000 expected to be diagnosed this year. cancer research uk says rates of melanoma have increased by almost a third over a decade. it's understood there's been an upward trend in cases in all ages, but the biggest rise has occurred in adults . over 80 israeli adults. over 80 israeli airstrikes on rafah have killed at least 35 people, to according the hamas run health ministry in gaza. israel says it wants to root out hamas fighters holed up in rafah and rescue hostages it says are being held in the area . says are being held in the area. the idf says the strike was carried out with precise ammunition and on the basis of precise intelligence . those are precise intelligence. those are the top stories . and for more on the top stories. and for more on any of those, do sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb

news. com slash alerts. now it's back to patrick and . back to patrick and. emily. >> welcome along. now as general election campaigning enters its first full week, battle lines are being drawn on the key issue of security. rishi sunak has pledged to introduce national service for 18 year olds, something he claims will teach young people useful skills and create a national culture. >> however, speaking earlier, labour leader sir keir starmer hit back. he blasted the policy as desperate . he instead as desperate. he instead promised to make economic border and national security the bedrock of his party's manifesto i >> -- >> yeah, so we were all expecting this morning. all the headunes expecting this morning. all the headlines were keir starmer's going to make security the bedrock of this big speech that he's doing near where he grew up. we can go now to gb news political correspondent katherine forster who has been with the labour leader today. catherine, thank you very, very much. can i ask what has he

actually said about security? he thank you very much. >> yes. good afternoon. patrick and emily. yeah. i mean, rishi sunak has been painting this as about security, saying effectively better the devil you know, stick with us. we will keep you safe. now sir keir starmer is trying to say change is what's needed. but don't worry, we will keep you even safer . so talking about safer. so talking about security, economic border , security, economic border, national economic saying we're going to be careful with the money. we know there's not a lot of it about we're going to be supeh of it about we're going to be super, super mindful of that with the decisions. we're not going to make. wild promises border security. well, i asked him specifically about the rwanda plan and he said, well, you know, he believes that rishi sunak knew it wasn't going to work. and that's why he called the election. now so that it couldn't be proven not to work.

but nevertheless , some questions but nevertheless, some questions aren't there. given 10,000 people have crossed the channel, keir starmer, yes, they've said they're going to process claims quicker. they've talked about their border security command cracking the gangs. but, you know, the government say they're already doing those things without some sort of active deterrent . how are you ever deterrent. how are you ever going to crack this? and national security too? he was asked about the situation in gaza and israel. he was asked for a message to netanyahu. he said simply stop. he's in favour of a ceasefire and ultimately a two state solution for palestine and israel. anyway, as you will see, not everybody agrees with that. see, not everybody agrees with that . but back to see, not everybody agrees with that. but back to you see, not everybody agrees with that . but back to you now. that. but back to you now. >> yes, we should say there have been a few protesters behind you at the scene with the palestinian flag there. thank you very much indeed. katherine forster our political correspondent. >> okay. all right. interesting

yes. it's nicely the pro—palestine lot turning out to have a word with keir starmer and anyone else who will listen behind katherine forster there. i'll be honest with you, we were expecting a bit more from keir starmer today on the issue of security. he did, however , well security. he did, however, well take the mickey out of rishi sunak national service, policy. i should also say he's doing quite a lot of that, isn't he? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> i should also say it's national service and community service, isn't it , here national service and community service, isn't it, here is what keir starmer had to say about rishi sunak's plans, announced over the weekend to get 18 year olds to do either community work or join the olds to do either community work orjoin the military. or join the military. >> well, this spinning round and round, it's symbolic of the chaos and the instability . chaos and the instability. you've seen that again over the past few days, that the desperation of this national service policy, a sort of teenage dad's army , well, there teenage dad's army, well, there you go. keir starmer essentially just, mocking the policy. but

you know, according to that survey data, more of us are in favour of this type of thing than are against it. >> you've actually got it, haven't you? here. >> i do actually have it. yes. >> i do actually have it. yes. >> the results of this, the results of this are quite interesting. >> it's 42% are in favour of a return to some kind of national service. and i think it is 34% who oppose. so that makes it 42% for 34 oppose and net support of eight. of course, when you look into who those people are, it's the youth, the younger people who aren't too much in favour of this. and it does tend to be those 65 years and plus who are more in favour of this type of policy, which is probably not that surprising . that surprising. >> well, it's not really, but i think, you know, it's important to emphasise that this is not just about joining the military. it's about doing things like delivering prescriptions for the elderly one weekend a month. and i don't know, i look at that and i don't know, i look at that and i think, well, is that not maybe quite a good thing for society? but i'll tell you who. i wonder whether or not they think it's a

good thing for society is the actual royal family, because as actual royal family, because as a consequence of rishi sunak's national service announcement, royals could be forced to spend a year in the military or volunteer under the plans that they would be. they would be very limited exemptions from participation , most notably participation, most notably prince george, princess charlotte and prince louis. they could face the call up if the tories were to win the election. introduced the policy right? >> well, let's now speak with royal commentator richard fitzwilliams about all this, richard. >> yes, lots of headlines today saying royals could face national service, but how different is this from the actual status quo? lots of royals do very much sign up to the military and do get involved with a lot of volunteering, as is their duty. >> no, you're absolutely right there. because if you look down there. because if you look down the centuries, there has been a very, very special relationship between the royal family and the military because kings used to lead their armies into battle,

one thinks of george ii at dettingen against the french. this was the last time it actually happened. but if you look, for example, at several members of the royal family, both past and present, i mean, if you look at princes william and harry, they were both commissioned into the blues and royals. as we know, harry's had two tours of duty in afghanistan. we had , andrew and, afghanistan. we had, andrew and, helicopter pilot in the falklands. and also, of course, the queen was the last monarch to see service in the second world war, prince philip famously mentioned in dispatches at the battle of jutland in his element in the navy, the queen's father , when duke of york saw father, when duke of york saw service at the battle of jutland , or the midshipman in the first world war and so forth. so there's basically is what they do anyway. but there's one particular very significant aspect to it. and that is those

like princess anne or queen camilla or the princess of wales who haven't actually been in the military , have honorary roles, military, have honorary roles, because this is what makes the armed forces very much what they are. they're a tremendous pride in these royal links to specific regiments . yes. yeah, exactly. i regiments. yes. yeah, exactly. i mean, there's also stuff though, isn't there, like prince william flying the air ambulance and there's a heck of a lot of charity work that the royals do all the time. so when we see these headlines like national service would, would make the royals serve, i think, well, the royals serve, i think, well, the royals do national service. that's basically what they do , that's basically what they do, isn't it? so there's is the headune isn't it? so there's is the headline that there is no headline. there >> absolutely no headline really at all. other than the fact that people will read it because they see the royals included in it. you're quite right. i mean, we if we for take example, king charles's role as commander in chief of the armed forces, what

is significant is, of course , is significant is, of course, there's a great deal of pride in serving the country. and of course, the monarch is the symbol national unity above party politics. that so significant. but also it's a question of a role that's denied to others. and that too is very significant. so you've got so many members of the royal family who have these military links and so many have seen service. and as you mention, i mean , and as you mention, i mean, prince william, for example, died only two months in the navy, but we saw his commissioned into the blues and royals, the army, and therefore that was followed by the raf search and rescue and then, of course, the east anglian air ambulance . they do indeed serve ambulance. they do indeed serve the range of charitable activities. it is remarkable. but if you look, for example, at a country that does have national service , norway, national service, norway, princess ingrid, who is the

daughter of crown prince haakon, she she is at the moment in, undergoing a national service, as is princess leonor in spain . as is princess leonor in spain. and there they don't have national service, but it's considered part of the job. very significant. >> well , thank you very much >> well, thank you very much indeed for setting that out for us, sorting the fact from the fiction as you do so. well, royal commentator richard fitzwilliams there. >> can i also just quickly say on this that a lot of children will do things like the duke of edinburgh award or they might be in scouts, or they might do a couple of other brownies, or they might do a couple of other school based initiatives. so when i did the duke of edinburgh, i mean, i only did the bronze. i did it terribly, as you can imagine. but part of that was to i had work for two weeks in the charity shop scope. well that's two weeks of my life. that was fine. i did cancer research . cancer research. >> yeah, exactly. >> yeah, exactly. >> it's really normal. really normal for 18 year olds or children of that age to do some form of quotes and quotes, community service. so the idea that this is in any way

particularly radical, i'm sorry, i just don't think it is that radical. >> so one weekend a month isn't isn't the biggest commitment evehis isn't the biggest commitment ever, is it? no, isn't the biggest commitment. and i'm sure there'll be tons of exemptions if it ever comes into into. yeah, lots of you have been getting in touch, some of you on this, private school issue, mel says emily and patrick, when discussing labour's plans to impose vat on private schools. labour have stated that their independent research tells them that the thousands predicted pupils leaving for the state sector will not happen and the scheme will raise billions. mel's asking can you ask a labour representative who provided this independent research? we will actually we're going to be having a labour politician on a little later on in the show. i do want to put that to him, because there's lots of other analysis that's been done that actually says this is going to cost the treasury a huge amount. so we need to find out actually where all this data is coming from. >> there's also some figures to suggest that it already is. apparently fewer children decided that they were going to go to private, while their parents decided they were going

to go to private school this yeah to go to private school this year. that may well have already cost the taxpayer £20 million, but we'll get into all of this. we'll get into it all because now we're going to quiz you north of the border. scotland's first minister john swinney, north of the border. scotland's first ministerjohn swinney, has been campaigning in dumfries, where he said that he wanted to kick the tories out of scotland. >> yes, he did indeed, he took time out of his campaign to speak to us scotland reporter tony mcguire. here's what he had to say. >> i don't today in alister jack's constituency. well douglas ross no less is up in michael matheson's when you took this job, you said that you were going to do your bit to kind of detoxify and remove the tribalism . is the election put tribalism. is the election put paid to those plans yet ? paid to those plans yet? >> no, i think it's obviously the elections are competitive contest. and what i set out last thursday is that while all that kind of competition goes on, i want to bring people in scotland together. i want to unite people in scotland on an agenda to make scotland a better country. and that's about tackling some of the issues that are really significant and damaging for scotland that we have had in recent years.

>> the impact of austerity , the >> the impact of austerity, the impact of brexit, the impact of the cost of living crisis. i want to address those issues and address them through the election of a strong team of snp mps to westminster. i want to bnng mps to westminster. i want to bring the country together in a unhed bring the country together in a united agenda to tackle these issues, and we've heard a lot over the last 24 hours about rishi sunak, construction , rishi sunak, construction, construction plans, i'm assuming then i've heard already today you're not a fan. so but as an advocate of fighting child poverty in scotland, what is your plan to give a purpose to the children in scotland and the young people, shall we say that? don't have one? >> i think it's really important that everyone has purpose in their life, and one of the good things about where we are today in scotland is that when young people leave school, the we are at record levels of young people moving into what are called positive destinations, into work, into training , or into work, into training, or into further and higher education that sits at over 95. so, you know, the overwhelming majority

of young people are leaving school and going into a purposeful career or a purposeful career or a purposeful educational opportunity, and that's the way it should be, because we all need to have purpose in life. i think the national service plan is just a complete red herring. i think it's just i think it's just designed to be an idea thrown into election campaign to turn people's heads . it's got no turn people's heads. it's got no substance to it, and it will take resources away from the essential investment that's required in our society. but crucially, what we are achieving in scotland today is good outcomes for young people as they leave education and that's exactly what it should be. >> and just lastly, keith brown, not that long ago, he wanted to withdraw from westminster and here we are in an election to try and put all of the tories out of all of the seats across scotland . so, you know, we are scotland. so, you know, we are a uk wide channel. you know what? give us an idea of what benefit there is to having the pews full in westminster halls with snp

mps instead of scottish labour mps instead of scottish labour mps or scottish conservatives. >> what snp mps do is that they go to westminster and they have one clear purpose, and that is to protect scotland and to advance scotland's interests. thatis advance scotland's interests. that is what they do . and on the that is what they do. and on the big issues that are affecting people in society today austerity, brexit, the cost of living crisis, all of these factors, austerity affects the funding for our public services, brexit affects our businesses . brexit affects our businesses. cost of living crisis affects every household in the country , every household in the country, and snp mps can be relied upon to protect scotland from these policies and to make sure that scotland's interests are being put first in the house of commons. that is what you get when you vote snp. if you vote snp, you are voting for scotland. >> i could have brought a tear to a glass , i couldn't it to a glass, i couldn't it flipping out right? okay, well it's not they're not convinced. it's just this, you know, where's the energy. yeah. >> where's the energy. where's the energy? there has been a bit of a lacking energy this this

election campaign anyway . but election campaign anyway. but there you go. coming up as labour announce a tax on private schools this is getting you going, by the way. lots of you of your views on this. you're lot strongly against this idea for various reasons and not not because you happen to send your children to private schools just out of principle . they're out of principle. they're announcing this tax on private schools. we're asking, though, could it actually sink the state school system? yeah. >> forget about the old private school parents. forget if you think that doesn't relate to you. and they're all a bunch of poshos with too much money, try to think about what does this mean for everybody, people in the state schools. that's our debate. and it is coming your way very shortly

welcome back to good afternoon, britain. now, sir keir starmer has promised to introduce vat on independent school fees if labour win the election. he's claiming. and it's a big claim ,

claiming. and it's a big claim, that it would generate £1.7 billion to put towards state schools , yes. alton school, schools, yes. alton school, a private school in hampshire , has private school in hampshire, has announced already it will shut its doors for the final time this summer, with parents describing the likelihood of a starmer victory being the final nail in the coffin. starmer victory being the final nail in the coffin . clearly, nail in the coffin. clearly, there's a lot of parents out there's a lot of parents out there who simply won't be able to afford these fees. >> so look, this is a massively controversial point on a few different areas. so labour have doubled down on their plans to introduce this 20% tax on fees straight away. so 4th of july straight away. so 4th of july straight away. so 4th of july straight away 20. but will this actually now ruin the state school system rather than help it. >> well joining us now is headteacher elves ascot, christine cunniffe and director of new education forum, callum robinson. thank you very much indeed for joining robinson. thank you very much indeed forjoining us today. indeed for joining us today. christine, you're a headteacher at a private school, you must have been speaking to parents about this. what do you think

the impact of this policy will be? >> i think it will be disastrous. >> and the labour party are basing it on the i think the institute of fiscal studies. but the adam smith institute have contested this. it's been contested this. it's been contested in the guardian, the times and the telegraph and even the taxpayers alliance that it will not bring in that revenue for the government. in fact, it could cost 1.6 billion to the government displays hundreds of thousands of children, including 111,000 children with special needs. it will put pressure on the state system and will affect every single child in the uk. okay. i mean, this is quite a big thing. callum. if it was the tories looking to do this, labour would be hammering them for the impact that this would have on children with special needs. and they would be saying that actually this isn't a particularly well costed policy at all and it will end up costing us more money and knackering the state school system with it. so is that not the reality ? the reality? >> it's a difficult one, i think

as as we get more details of the policy, it becomes really evident that actually the people who end up picking up the for bill this will be the british taxpayer, and that's really because of the spend aspect of it more than anything else , it more than anything else, labour have been quite ambiguous with the detail of the plan and the concern with sort of the ambiguity . ambiguity. >> oh, sorry, callum, don't know. >> it would be. >> it would be. >> oh, sorry. >> oh, sorry. >> we're just breaking your lines. breaking up. if we can try and, resurrect that somehow, we'll come back to you. but we'll come back to you. but we'll come back to you. but we'll come back to you, christine, for now, while we get that fixed, christine, it's very confusing , isn't it? all of confusing, isn't it? all of these different analyses about these different analyses about the cost of this policy, as you mentioned, the adam smith institute say this is going to cost the treasury an absolutely enormous amount. 1.5 billion is what is what they say . but the what is what they say. but the labour party, they continue to insist that actually this will bnng insist that actually this will bring much needed cash into the state system. and a lot of our

state system. and a lot of our state schools don't have enough money as it is to fulfil their needs. so, you know, if this is going to help out the state system, surely that's a good thing. >> well, i think the problems in education need to be addressed. they certainly do. and it needs it's not just money. >> you can't throw money at a problem. >> it'd be like a boat with a hole in it. >> you've got to address the actual problems they are now. if it were to raise money fair enough, but it's not going to. and meanwhile the children are the only ones who are going to suffer. >> they're going to be displaced. think if this comes in straight after the general election on the 4th of july, if they're successful, how do you think year 11 and 13 pupils are feeling? how do you think some pupils and their parents are feeling? how do you think the state school heads are feeling? because i know a lot and they're not vie. >> well, let me put that to callum, if that's okay. i think we've got you. i think we've got you back now, callum. we'll go again, so how many children are we expecting to be dumped into the state school sector? and presumably then if this comes into force on july the 4th and the school year starts. well, i think it started for me on

september the 5th, have they got enough time to sort this? the state schools , so it really state schools, so it really depends. >> hopefully you can hear me . >> hopefully you can hear me. okay, it depends on a lot of different factors, particularly including under subscription of state schools, etc, whether they can take the students at capacity or whether they'll go over capacity, a lot of aspects like that. i mean, we know 7% of the population , are privately the population, are privately educated of the student population, privately educated , population, privately educated, and that sort of fluctuates between about six and 7.2 7.3% depending on other factors like, financial crises, etc. we know that the population of private schools is broadly static , and schools is broadly static, and for a vast majority of parents sending their kids to private schools , this policy won't schools, this policy won't actually change that. but it's the unintended consequence that i'm really concerned about. so, hcp students, labour haven't said whether ecp students we've asked exempt, so if they are vat exempt then actually how they

are going to address the waiting time crisis for education health care plans. if they're not exempt from vat, then will the local authorities that have the statutory duty to help out with some of those fees , have to pick some of those fees, have to pick up the bill, causing a further run on, further run on, local council finances. is it students , for example, diagnoses of c and d needs , what's the impact and d needs, what's the impact of that, so what level of what threshold? >> callum. >> callum. >> it sounds as though they haven't thought through all the ins and outs of this policy and the various ways it could impact people. but christine r, just to come back to you, labour are now telling private schools to simply make cuts. make cuts, you know, the public sector had to make cuts during the austerity years. just make cuts, christine. >> oh, that's lovely. yes. great. i think what they need to do is just start by looking at the company accounts of a lot of the company accounts of a lot of the schools, not the big boys,

but schools where they're living on a breadline as it is and trying to provide an education that the state should be providing, especially those children, were sent. it is a terribly worrying time for those parents, and bearing in mind that only 7% of the children who of those 111,000 did independent schools have an esp, it's those other huge amount of children that fall just below that threshold where they cannot get the exp. they cannot get any funding, and their parents are desperate. >> what is hp sorry just to for everyone. >> so the educational health and care plan right. >> and could you just just quickly i know what is that just when the need is great enough and is assessed by a number of doctors and psychologists, a child can get funding . child can get funding. >> and in an independent school, often independent places are paid for by the state, by the local authority. so just as what we've been talking about has that been thought through? because a lot of cases, parents aren't paying for those places . aren't paying for those places. >> that's very interesting indeed. it does sound as though from to talking you both, that

this may be more about ideology and, dare i say, politics of envy and trying to rally that feeling among the electorate than anything else. it doesn't appear as though i disagree slightly, actually. >> okay, i disagree slightly. i don't think it is necessarily about envy. i think labour have legitimately tried to come up with a solution to a school funding problem, which we know is a is a significant problem. i think what they've done is they've decided we're going to do this. they've been presented with a load of problems. they've decided to double down because they're 20 points ahead in the polls. they can probably get away with doubling down during this election. obviously, we know there are problems. i would also really raise concern about what about, forces families. i don't know how many there are at your school, christine, but, a lot of schools offer discounts to forces families. will that be massively impacted by the bursaries? and we seriously going to stick an extra charge on people who are already serving our country? because thatis serving our country? because that is a huge concern, i think, to many families. but both of you, thank you very, very much. >> i've learnt a lot there. i know a lot of our viewers and

listeners will have done as well. christine cunliffe is a headteacher at a private school. colin robertson as well. he's an expert. >> it went a little bit all over the place at one point there, but we came back, it was all good. christine cunniffe and callum robinson are coming up. wes streeting has conceded that females shouldn't have been written off as bigots. well that's nice when they voiced concern over various issues relating to, trans and transgenderism. we'll discuss this after your headlines with . tamsin. >> emily. thank you. here are the headlines. at 1.3 for the labour leader has described the conservatives plans to reintroduce national service as desperate. sir keir starmer dismissed the prime minister's proposals to make all 18 year olds choose between serving in the army or volunteering in their local community. but he said there was desperation behind the policy and that it would be paid for by cancelling levelling up funding and tax avoidance, which his party would use to invest in the nhs. >> i do accept the proposition that we need , strong defences

that we need, strong defences and that has to be the first duty of any government, but i think this plan is desperate. i think this plan is desperate. i think they are rummaging around in the toy box to try and find any plan that they can throw on the table. i don't think it'll work . you've seen what military work. you've seen what military experts, those with experience, have said about it. you see what the government said about it just a few days ago when they were asked. that would take away from the resources of the military. i do accept the proposition that we need, strong defences , and that has to be the defences, and that has to be the first duty of any government . first duty of any government. but i think this plan is desperate. i think they are rummaging around in the toy box to try and find any plan that they can throw on the table. i don't think it'll work . don't think it'll work. >> you've seen the conservative party's defended the plans, with foreign office minister anne—marie trevelyan saying the party wants to make sure britain is secure. police investigating

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>> well, a very good afternoon. britain to you. it's 140 now. the shadow health secretary, wes streeting . he said he should streeting. he said he should have spoken up sooner at stonewall and the national union of students to defend women. those women who voiced concerns about trans issues, specifically single sex female spaces. he said that women should not have been written off as bigots because they wanted to protect these women only spaces, and said he regretted that he'd not spoken up sooner in support of women with gender critical views. well, let's speak with the director of campaigns at sex matters, fiona mckenna. fiona,

thank you very much indeed for joining us on this wes streeting. he's had a bit of a complicated relationship with this issue over the months, and years. do you understand where he stands now ? he stands now? >> i think we are happy to take him at his word. >> if a senior member of the labour frontbench , like like wes labour frontbench, like like wes streeting is now saying we have to be able to have these conversations about the conflict of rights between trans demands and the needs and rights of women and girls. >> we welcome that , i think the >> we welcome that, i think the number one thing that we'd love to see, whoever wins this election is that they clarify the equality act , because that's the equality act, because that's the equality act, because that's the place where all of that, where the rubber hits the road, you know, everyone is protected from discrimination from violence, but there are times where sex matters and we can't pretend that people have changed sex because they can't do that. and so it's really, really welcome to hear wes streeting

say this. >> yeah, but fiona, there is a massive issue at play here, which is that it's all very well and good for wes streeting to say you're not a bigot if you don't want men in your changing rooms, but unfortunate glee. the labour party also wants to make it easier for adults to change gendeh it easier for adults to change gender, which would mean more men in women's changing rooms. so how do you feel about that ? so how do you feel about that? >> i think it depends on what this notion of changing gender means. you know, the law in theory says that you cannot self—identify into the space that's reserved for the opposite sex. and whether you have a piece of paper that says you've changed sex doesn't. well, it's a little unclear. that's what needs to be clarified, but for example, in sport right now, it's crystal clear that there is no need for sports bodies to be letting men who say they're women take part in women's events that can be changed right now. so the really important thing here is to have politicians leading the conversation and enabling all of

us who want to have this conversation, to speak the truth and sort this out. >> who do you trust more when it comes to this issue of protecting female only spaces, the conservatives or the labour party, because the electorate have a choice and this is an issue for quite a few women out there . there. >> i think it's an issue for some men as well as women , i, some men as well as women, i, i don't know the answer to that question, i have not decided yet who i will vote for, but as a charity, we at sex matters will welcome any move by an elected politician to clarify the equality act and to defend the rights of women and girls. >> is there a degree of cynicism at play here? because i think before the cass review that we were not hearing this from the labour party at all. in fact, it was quite the opposite. in fact, there was some really quite strongly worded, very, very emotional , strongly worded, very, very emotional, and fruity language involved as well when it came to

people who were saying the kind of things that that you say that many people say out there. so this reverse ferret is one of quite epic proportions, isn't it 7 quite epic proportions, isn't it ? is there an issue with credibility here? >> well, i think a lot of politicians have made a change, and i think what's really exciting here is how far the conversation has shifted to now have senior politicians explicitly saying we're not, you know, women like us are not bigots. this is a legitimate concern. i think that's a much better place in which to move forward . forward. >> yes, i think so. thank you very much indeed. fiona mckenna , very much indeed. fiona mckenna, you are the director of campaigns at sex matters. always great to speak to you. thank you. >> it strikes me that there is an issue at play here, which is you can either be very angry at the stuff that has happened under a conservative government for the last 14 years, when it comes to the encroachment of women's spaces and the fact that we've had this whole hoo ha about it all, or you can like, not believe labour over what they're saying now to be fair

though, this is an issue that in most western countries has been massive over the past few years. >> yeah. and all countries seem to be finding it difficult to handle all governments because there's all these conflicting rights. and as fiona said, there this all comes down to the equality act and all of that legislation and regulations that sometimes conflict and get a bit confused. how do you apply those and all this gender sex and everything else? >> i wish i could have a look into an alternate universe where the cash review hadn't happened, right? and just to see whether or not the likes of wes streeting and some other prominent labour voices would now be coming out and changing their tune, because this review allowed everyone to sound very reasonable, didn't it? >> suddenly everyone agreed with the cash review and they'd said quite extreme things on either side. you know. >> yeah, indeed, indeed. >> yeah, indeed, indeed. >> but maybe that's a good thing. you know, the cash review has given a lot of people, you know, the strength to say what they know to be true. yeah. >> how are labour going to marry up the idea, though, of over 18 finding it easy to change gender

and then also saying we want to protect women's spaces. i'm not sure how they can make that work, but hopefully they will enlighten us over the next five and a bit. weeks. it's very easy to talk about these things, talk about them, but then actually to find the law to match is a bit trickier. >> anyway, coming up, more plane passengers have been tossed from their seats . we're asking why their seats. we're asking why there has been such an alarming rise . or so it seems. in rise. or so it seems. in turbulence over just the last week. that's to come.

>> welcome back to good afternoon, britain. so 12 people have now been injured on a qatar airways. airways flight as it passed over turkey due to turbulence. >> the plane was travelling from doha to dublin and dublin airport. said emergency services, including airport police and fire and rescue met the qatar airways flight just after it landed so this is the second incident now where passengers have been injured due

to turbulence in the last seven days. >> so people are blaming it on climate change. all right. they're saying climate change is the real reason for the increase in clean air turbulence . but in clean air turbulence. but what's really going on? >> well, joining us now to get to the bottom of this is meteorologist and former weather presenter john kettley. john thank you very much indeed. what is clean air turbulence and is it a result of a climate change, well, it's clear air turbulence for one thing. >> right. okay, so that's a typo in our autocue. there >> yes, it is clear air turbulence. >> i've had that problem for years. when i meant wet, i meant dry. you know , sort of thing. so dry. you know, sort of thing. so i've said it's going to be a dry day . it was actually a wet one, day. it was actually a wet one, but that was just a typo error, but that was just a typo error, but no clear air turbulence. it's all to do with the jet stream. once again, it's up there in the atmosphere, but i think there's an awful lot of topicality going on here. and, the social media aspect of things as well. once you get one of these events going on, then somebody else is going to jump on the bandwagon and say, oh, we're that as well. and no doubt

next week there'll be another one. but, joking apart, i mean, i think we are in a more energetic world at the moment. people call it climate change. i call it a warming world globally. and that means there is more energy in the atmosphere, which also means there could be strengthening jet streams and more impact with thunderstorm as well, where the aircraft are flying. so it is all part and parcel of this warming world. >> i think to be honest you sound very measured and calm about all of this. we have had some rather hysterical figures on the channel earlier today saying this is absolutely 100% climate change. there's been a 50% increase in turbulence and don't get on a plane because it might drop out of the sky. and you know what happens then? you seem to be saying this is actually quite normal . actually quite normal. >> patrick, you know me. you know where i stand on all of this . i'm a know where i stand on all of this. i'm a weatherman. i deal with the weather from day to day, and i've dealt with it for 40 odd years, and i've seen this sort of thing before. i'm not belittling it. i'm not saying it doesn't happen. i'm not saying it's not serious. it is a serious event when you run into turbulence and an aircraft at seven miles in the atmosphere. so it is a serious event and

these things are occurring and always will and always have done. they are nasty because if you get near a jet stream where you've got very strong wind sheah you've got very strong wind shear, that's a quick change in wind direction or speed in a short period of time. then you are going to get buffeted about in the aircraft. and, you know, since day one, we've we've been flying with significant weather charts in the cockpit. they know where these bad weather events are going to occur on any route. and it's always been that way. and it's always been that way. and they should know exactly where the worst of the conditions are likely to be. now, if the atmosphere is getting a little bit more volatile, there could be slight errors in the significant weather charts. and if you just run off course slightly, you could run into something a bit more serious and it is nasty. >> so john really dumb this down for us, well, for me, the jet streams, these are streams of very strong winds. am i right, and these can wreak havoc on flights . and that's what. that's flights. and that's what. that's what causes turbulence. is there anything else that causes turbulence, just storm conditions. i don't know, there

are three types, i suppose, in my book, when you're flying along , normally at, 35,000ft, along, normally at, 35,000ft, everything's hunky dory. >> no problem whatsoever. you're in laminar flow, so there are no issues with turbulent air. now, when you're coming into land , when you're coming into land, for example, and everybody who's flown knows that coming into land is quite a nasty situation. it's pretty nasty for the pilot as well. on occasions, a lot more turbulence around there in the lower two , 3000ft, because the lower two, 3000ft, because you've got more problems with friction around the buildings of the, of the, the airport as well, and all the trees on, on approach, so you do get these issues with, turbulence at low level. but one of the nasty events is when you're flying around thunderstorms, you try and avoid thunderstorms at all costs. of course , but there are costs. of course, but there are situations like the one going over turkey, i suspect , was over turkey, i suspect, was flying around thunderstorms, and they were maybe far too numerous to avoid. and when you get the turbulence around cumulonimbus clouds, there is an awful lot of energy going up and down, up and down in that huge cloud, which may be to a depth of 45

50,000ft. and it's very difficult to avoid them. and so you're bound to get impacts. you're bound to get turbulence . you're bound to get turbulence. and you go, you will get thrown about. there's no question fascinating . fascinating. >> thank you so much for coming on the show today to explain that all to us, john kettley, you are a former weather presenter and a meteorologist, of course. thank you very much. >> so don't panic, everybody. you are seeing more and more of this online. some of the routes for you as well . if you're going for you as well. if you're going to milan, to geneva, apparently they're in the that's in the top ten most turbulent journeys. a lot of the other ones, i must say, are in and around china. or if you happen to be going from almaty to bishkek, which is the capital of kyrgyzstan, then you are bang in trouble. but look, coming up, coming up, coming up, the election battle over young people is heating up. and also we're going be hearing from nigel farage over his big hoo ha in relation to certain aspects of the british muslim community. stay tuned . stay tuned. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> good afternoon. welcome to

your latest gb news weather from the met office, where there will be plenty more heavy showers on the way. for many of us today, these turning heavy and thundery at times, all thanks to this area of low pressure . situated area of low pressure. situated across the uk. various occlusion features pushing their way eastwards will bring a focus for those showers through this afternoon. and it's eastern parts of scotland, maybe into northeastern parts of england, that will likely to see those heavier showers. this afternoon again, with some hail and thunder mixed too , in for thunder mixed too, in for england and wales not quite as heavy. those showers compared to what we've seen over the past couple of days, but there will still be a few around and it'll be feeling a little cooler too, with those temperatures only around 17 or 18 degrees, around about average for the time of year. about average for the time of year . so those heavier showers year. so those heavier showers across eastern parts of scotland will continue as we head through the rest of this afternoon. again some hail and thunder mixed in into this evening, and they could be quite slow moving, but slowly pushing their way eastwards as we head into the latter part of the day. some showers across northern ireland and northern parts of england too. and again these pushing

their way eastwards into monday evening. the showers across england and wales will gradually start to ease as we head into the latter part of the day, but there is some rain arriving out towards the southwest and that will slowly push its way north and eastwards as we head through monday evening and into the start of tuesday, the showers elsewhere do gradually start to ease overnight, so there will be some clear spells around and under those clear spells we could be turning a little chilly with temperatures dropping into the single figures, but under all that cloud and rain likely to stay that little bit milder. temperatures here around 12 or 13 degrees to start on tuesday . 13 degrees to start on tuesday. so that does mean it's a bit of a damp start for northern ireland, wales and southern parts of england, and that rain does push its way north and eastwards as we head through tuesday daytime. some early brightness across parts of scotland and northeastern parts of england. but that rain does eventually arrive through the afternoon. plenty of heavy showers as well across parts of northern england, wales and southwest parts of england , and southwest parts of england, and temperatures again around about average for the

gb news. >> well. good afternoon. britain. it's now 2:00 on monday, the 27th of may. i'm emily carver , and i'm patrick emily carver, and i'm patrick christys. now. the election battle over young people is heating up. labour say, let them vote. the tories say make them serve. what will resonate more with the british public? >> and we are going to be speaking to shadow paymaster general jonathan ashworth of the labour party very shortly . look, labour party very shortly. look, we're going to have to press him over labour's private school taxation. we're also going to be pressing him on on women's rights. we're also going to be pressing him, of course, as well on a variety of different topics. they've got a lot to answer for the labour party. so let's do it. >> and the fight for the women's vote. yes. labour's wes streeting now says you're not a bigot if you want to protect women's changing rooms. and he wishes he'd spoken up sooner. does this fly in the face of labour's other policy to make it easier for adults to change

their gender? we'll put that to jonathan ashworth. >> i know the topic we're going to be talking about is nigel farage viral comments about certain aspects of the british muslim community. do you think he was right to point out? perhaps they perceived lack of integration and some concerns that were had there. we're going to play you some clips of that and we'll get your discussions. go to gbnews.com/yoursay. but right now it's your headlines. >> hello. good afternoon. from the gb newsroom. it's 2:01. i'm tamsin roberts the labour leader has described the conservatives plans to reintroduce national service as desperate. speaking today, sir keir starmer dismissed the prime minister's proposals to make all 18 year olds choose between serving in the army or volunteering in their local community. he said there was desperation behind the

policy and that it would be paid for by cancelling, levelling up funding and tax avoidance, which his party would use to invest in the nhs. >> i do accept the proposition that we need, strong defences and that has to be the first duty of any government, but i think this plan is desperate. i think this plan is desperate. i think they are rummaging around in the toy box to try and find any plan that they can throw on the table. i don't think it'll work. you've seen what military experts, those with experience , experts, those with experience, have said about it. you've seen what the government said about it just a few days ago when they were asked. that would take away from the resources of the military . military. >> well, the conservative party has defended the plans , with has defended the plans, with foreign office minister anne—marie trevelyan saying the party wants to make sure britain is secure. >> the rest of the world is in a really rough place at the moment and we've got to make sure and that's the work that we do through nato , the incredible through nato, the incredible leadership that the uk shows why

it is that we believe these things are important to stand up for, so i'm very surprised by anyone who thinks that those values, defending those values, ensuring our young people are resilient as individuals and as part of a community is something that they would think isn't a good thing . good thing. >> scotland's first minister says the snp can kick the conservatives out of every seat in scotland , as he campaigns in scotland, as he campaigns ahead of the general election. john swinney has been in dumfries, which is part of scottish secretary alister jack's dumfries and galloway seat. he says his priority is to bnng seat. he says his priority is to bring the country together to tackle a range of issues . tackle a range of issues. >> i want to bring people in scotland together, i want to unite people in scotland on an agenda to make scotland a better country , and that's about country, and that's about tackling some of the issues that are really significant and damaging for scotland that we have had in recent years. the impact of austerity, the impact of brexit, the impact of the cost of living crisis. i want to address those issues and address them through the election .

them through the election. >> those are the headlines. and for all the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash shirts now it's back to patrick and . it's back to patrick and. emily. >> right. well, as promised, let's go straight away to the shadow paymaster general, jonathan ashworth. jonathan, thank you so much for taking the time out of your day to talk to us. i want to ask you about these plans to add vat to private school fees, because we've been discussing it this show and there seems to be quite a lot of contradiction in terms of how much this is going to cost, how much this is going to save the treasury as a policy, i want to ask you, though , about want to ask you, though, about the impact on vulnerable children or children with special needs. we know that a lot of these independent schools have quite a considerable cohort, a high proportion of special needs children who can't get the help that they need in

the state sector. have you thought about those children, and will those fees be exempt from this vat hike ? from this vat hike? >> yeah. so look , we've got to >> yeah. so look, we've got to make tough decisions. as you know, the public finances are shot to pieces because of decisions taken by the conservatives why so many of your viewers are paying so much more in their mortgage now because of what the conservatives have done to the economy. so we've got to take some tough decisions. you know, we want to levy vat on school fees to raise £1.3 billion and put that into every state school, whether that's in bury, bolsover, mansfield or stoke. it is a tough decision. we accept that , but is a tough decision. we accept that, but you've is a tough decision. we accept that , but you've got to do that, but you've got to do things to support the jonathan and majority of children. but on your specific point, on your specific point of special , you specific point of special, you know, children with special different special needs, if they're on a if they're on a specified plan where you get a plan, parents know this, they get a plan and they have to go to a private school because of the plan. and though they won't, they won't have to pay this

extra vat. >> yeah. because, julie robinson of the independent schools council, she's very concerned about this. she says that over 100,000 children receive specialist send support in our schools, that special special needs support and she's saying that adding vat on the parents fees will disrupt education for thousands of them. and it will also have the negative impact on the state sector because it will push all that demand onto our state sector, which in some parts of the country is already struggling with providing this kind of support. so has has that been thought through? jonathan >> yeah. yeah. so if you're on a if you've got a plan, which is what you get as a family, if you're, if you're in those circumstances and your plan and you have to go to a private school as a result, then, then, then you'll be exempt. but i do come back to this central point. we all know the economy is in a state after 14 years of the tories, that they made an absolute mess of the public finances. we do have to make some tough decisions so we can

recruit more teachers for schools in bury , in bolton, in schools in bury, in bolton, in bolsover, in mansfield it might come at the expense. we've not got enough teachers in the state sector. >> it might come at the expense of i know you've got to take tough decisions though, haven't you? yeah, i understand that, going to raise 1.3 billion. now the independent schools council has said that actually your students have applied to private schools because of the fear, partially because of the fear that you're going to slap vat on the fees and they'll become unaffordable, so you don't actually know how much this is going to raise because you don't know how many students aren't going to go to private schools . going to go to private schools. >> well, it's a figure that has been endorsed by independent specialists such as the ifs and of course, private schools have been putting up with their fees above inflation for the last ten years. remember so like, you know, they've been you know, those schools have been doing that. but look, you know, if you go to a school now in a school in bury state school in bury, there are schools in bury, you haven't got enough teachers. and we've got to get teachers into those state schools. as i understand it, it's tough.

>> but when you are going to give them more kids to teach though, jonathan, this isn't this is the this is the difficulty, which is you're going to give them more kids to see. can i just talking talking of children, mr ashworth, if that's all right. well, giving, giving six , giving 16 year olds giving six, giving 16 year olds the vote, okay. giving 16 year olds the vote. they don't really pay olds the vote. they don't really pay national insurance. they don't actually serve in the military. and labour thinks that 16 year olds shouldn't be able to look at naughty websites online. but you do think they should vote. this isn't really about enfranchising the youth, is it? it's about loading the dice for future elections. is it not? >> why? not? >> wh y? wh y not? >> why? why is not? >> why? why is it loading the dice ? dice? >> because you will know as well as anybody else that the vast majority of 16 year olds will probably be left wing. and therefore, if you manage to mobilise that core group of people to go out and vote, you have secured yourselves in power for generations to come. mr ashworth , come on. don't treat ashworth, come on. don't treat us like idiots. don't treat us like idiots . like idiots. >> when you were 16, i daresay i was more left wing than i am now

. but look, i don't think it's about loading the vote. 16 year olds with, you know, they can they pay tax if they get a job. if you pay tax, you should vote. >> what? seriously? how come on, how many 16 year olds pay proper tax in this country ? tax in this country? >> why are you so worked up about it ? about it? >> oh, here we go. no i'm not. i'm asking you to justify . i'm i'm asking you to justify. i'm asking you to justify something. no, hang on. that could that could seriously, seriously shape unchanged forever the future of british politics. so i'm not worked up about it. i'm simply asking you to justify it. can you ? you? >> well, i think if people can get a job, they can start a family, start a, you know, get on there, they can go to work, they can join the army in certain circumstance because they pay tax, then they should. how many of them do that, though, as a percentage of the 16 year old population and you

know, it's a good way to engage people in the, in the voting system, in the political system. >> it's quite a radical policy . >> it's quite a radical policy. i mean, jonathan, i don't know what your view is on voter id, but there was the accusation that, the conservatives were trying to fix elections by ensuring that everyone had their voter id. i think it's fair enough to ask whether that's part of this . i mean, it seems part of this. i mean, it seems to have come out of nowhere . to have come out of nowhere. >> is it that radical? oh. are you. >> oh, obviously. oh, can i can i just ask? look, with respect, don't treat us or our viewers like idiots here. of course, it's radical to give 16 year olds the vote. it's a massive. it's a massive shift in british politics. so yes, it is radical. and i have asked you a couple of questions about the main justification for it. so taxation or joining the military , i've asked you to try to justify that on the grounds of how many of those 16 year olds actually do those things. you don't appear to know how. >> well, i've just told you what

our justification >> well, i've just told you what ourjustification is . i mean, ourjustification is. i mean, you you disagree. that's fair enough. you you disagree. that's fair enough . we have a disagreement. enough. we have a disagreement. >> okay. that's fine. should we move on? can i ask you about tax? because we heard from the shadow chancellor , rachel shadow chancellor, rachel reeves, that she has absolutely no plans to raise national insurance or income tax, which will be music to the ears of many people working in this country who feel that they are under quite the burden when it comes to tax. so that is good for news many people. >> quite the burden. they've been hammered haven't they. >> hammered. yes i would agree with that jonathan. but what about capital gains. >> is that going to go on the tax sunak mish tax sunak is capital gains going to go up? >> is vat going to go up? we know it's going to go on private fees. is corporation tax going to go up. what about the other taxes . taxes. >> well rachel reeves the shadow chancellor she's made our position clear, on national insurance and income tax yesterday . that's very important yesterday. that's very important for people because it's something like 25 extra tax rises. people are paying under rishi sunak , one of the largest rishi sunak, one of the largest tax burdens since the war.

people have been absolutely battered on tax under the tories. and so it's important that we've made that commitment . that we've made that commitment. we will make our broader commitments on public finances. you'll see in our manifesto. and these are matters for our shadow chancellor. yeah, i'm just interested on the side of working people in this country. >> if rachel reeves is bold enough to say that we will not raise national insurance under a labour government, we will not raise income tax . i wonder if it raise income tax. i wonder if it might be that taxes rise elsewhere. that's what a lot of the people voting will be wondering whether they'll be hit on capital gains, or whether they'll be hit on corporate tax, whether they'll be hit. >> let me tell you, every every proposal we put forward will be fully funded and you'll know where every penny piece is coming from. and what a contrast that it coming from. and what a contrast thatitis coming from. and what a contrast that it is to the tories, who are committed to a £46 billion bombshell, which means pensioners watching gb news today are probably going to pay more tax or they're going to see the nhs cut. and they've also unveiled this half baked, ill thought through suggestion of what compulsory military service for 18 year olds and national

national service . it's already national service. it's already unravelling, with different tory ministers saying different things. the tory ministers tory party has had more positions on this today than the kama sutra, and the reason for that is completely half baked and it is chaotic. it is chaotic. >> what have you got against chaosis >> what have you got against chaos is typical of the tories and people. >> but what have we? what have you got against jonathan? 18 year olds delivering prescriptions to old people in the local community? come on. >> i thought you were going to say, what have i got against the kamasutra? then i wondered which direction you were taking me in or what position. i'll say, indeed. this is pre—watershed . indeed. this is pre—watershed. this is pre—watershed. my mum might be watching this anyway. listen. no, the problem is it's completely up. the money isn't there. they're going to cut the money from places like stoke, from bury and bolsover to put into this. you've had senior military figures like the head of the army, lord dannatt, saying the money isn't there, it's completely half baked and it's completely half baked and it's unravelling already . well

done. >> it was in the military. >> it was in the military. >> he's a brilliant, brilliant career for lord dannatt. >> we spoke to lord dannatt and he was he was in some ways quite in favour of this type of thing. yes, he did have some concerns about how it would be rolled out. >> he said it's rolled out and how it would be funded. it's typical of the tories. they make an announcement. sorry, but i can't tell you where the money is coming from. they cannot tell you how they're going to fund it properly. >> i've read your your leader's pledges and they seem to be funded by non—dom cutting down on tax avoidance and taxing school fees more , all of those school fees more, all of those are very, well , you can't be are very, well, you can't be sure of how much you're going to raise from those and different analysis suggests that they might actually end up costing us, costing the treasury because people change their behaviour, don't they ? don't they? >> no, they won't, they won't, they won't. >> no they won't we, we think every, every one of those proposals is properly costed and independent organisations have said the, the costings are

correct and that money will go into the nhs, it will go into schools. we've also got a plan to create to, to recruit more police and community support officers to crack down on crime. that's a clear , costed, serious that's a clear, costed, serious plan. in contrast to a half baked chaotic policy which is unravelling when a different tory minister comes on the tv and has a different set of answers. they've got more positions than the kamasutra areas. >> again . good lad. right, okay, >> again. good lad. right, okay, look, just one more with you, if that's all right, wes look, just one more with you, if that's all right , wes streeting that's all right, wes streeting today is doing a performing a spectacular reverse ferret when it comes to trans issues and women's rights. say you're not bigoted. now, if you care about same sex spaces, etcetera. and, all of this , however, this seems all of this, however, this seems to fly in the face of a labour policy which wants to make it easier for people over the age of 18 to change gender. so would it be unfair to say a vote for labouris it be unfair to say a vote for labour is a vote for more men and women's changing rooms ? and women's changing rooms? >> no, of course not. we've

always been in favour of same sex spaces and protecting same sex spaces and protecting same sex spaces, which are, in law in the equality act brought in by labouh the equality act brought in by labour, by the way, that equality act, that was us. i for a long time used to campaign against the tories breaking their promise on same sex wards in the nhs . 14 years ago they in the nhs. 14 years ago they said they were going to get rid of them. some of the breaches of that are some of the record levels. of course, same sex races will be defended under labouh >> so, so, so under labour. what would that mean then if we have a if we have a higher influx of people being quote unquote trans women, will they be allowed to go into women's changing rooms? >> look, there , look, there is >> look, there, look, there is same sex spaces which will always be protected . there's always be protected. there's obviously an issue with people who who are born , and their who who are born, and their genderis who who are born, and their gender is different to the one that they're born with. and those people need to be treated with respect, with love, with care, and they need to be able to get the appropriate support. yeah. >> the problem is it becomes

difficult, doesn't it? >> it becomes difficult with that. >> it becomes difficult when there's a conflict between women's rights. all right. thank you so much, jonathan. thank you. jonathan ashworth. the shadow paymaster general. great to speak to you as always. all right. thank you very much. can we just have a very quick debrief? >> debrief on this. all right. so the 16 year olds vote thing that the argument for it is that is that they pay tax and that they can serve in the military and that it's just a nice thing to do. he didn't know or want to say how many 16 year olds, pay tax or serve in the military. and i think i find that quite bizarre when he was trying to say that this isn't a radical thing. i mean, it's huge to allow 16 year olds. >> it's radical. i mean, i don't have to hand which countries allow 16 year olds to vote in general elections. >> it would be a massive shift in this country. >> it would be a massive shift. and he knows as well as we do that, younger people tend to be more socialist, don't they tend to be more left wing , so it to be more left wing, so it would potentially help labour in

future elections. but he wouldn't be drawn on that, would he, yes . he, yes. >> it's interesting. >> it's interesting. >> look, i thought i thought it was interesting. he is in a chippy mood. and the, the line that rishi sunak has got more positions than the kamasutra, i would imagine we're going to hear that quite a lot over the course of this, of this general election, whether you like it or not. >> yes. >> yes. >> i'm not sure whether you like it or not. you're going to be heanng it or not. you're going to be hearing that. let us know what you thought of that little exchange there with with jonathan ashworth is gbnews.com/yoursay a yes. >> but coming up also, it was very clear that they have not thought about children with special needs. >> and it's important that anyway, coming up, your country needs you. >> more on sunak's pledge to introduce national service at just 18.

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, britain with me, emily and patrick. now this is something a bit different. an innocent shopper has been wrongly accused of stealing and frogmarched out of stealing and frogmarched out of a out of a shop after a technical issue with facial recognition, which is used by various high street chains. >> so the woman said an employee at home bargains accused her of shoplifting when she was wrongly flagged by a system known as face watch, and was left in tears as a result. >> so this is all to do with facial recognition technology. so the ladies walked into the shop. think about this every time you go to the tills at like tesco's or wherever you go, and it's got a little scanner of your face on there, hasn't it? there's a lot of facial recognition technology going about that we might not you might not think about, well, this one has flagged her up as a shoplifter, which apparently she absolutely wasn't, by the way. and so she's been put in a very tncky and so she's been put in a very tricky situation. here's how to speak about this. is the cyber policy lead at the tony blair institute melanie garcia melanie, thank you very, very much. facial recognition software a potential force for bad. is it .

bad. is it. >> i wouldn't quite frame it like that . i think, the like that. i think, the important thing is looking at all these ai enabled elements that are being incorporated as part of public service, public service provision, including in policing . they are a tool. and policing. they are a tool. and like all tools, they need a set of procedures and policies to be incorporated alongside them, accompanied with the right training. but that tool, to be used correctly and to be used efficiently and to achieve what it needs to do. and that's also alongside looking at the technology itself and making sure that the technology that is integrated on a mass level has actually adheres to standards of explainability and transparency and reliability for those to be suitable for the space in which they're being used. >> yeah. i mean, this must have been quite traumatic for this woman being wrongly accused.

because, i mean, it's bad enough being wrongly accused just by someone who recognises the wrong person in real life , but for person in real life, but for this kind of machine or whatever technology to just think you're someone else. >> well, how reliable is it? >> well, how reliable is it? >> that's the thing. >> that's the thing. >> it's clearly not always reliable. yeah well, facial recognition software actually are. >> the tests that have been done are actually quite the are actually quite reliable. we think about we use them all the time going through with our passport control more and more. it's like, biometrics, you know , it's like, biometrics, you know, they rely on that. the problem is again is, you know, this is one particular system. and looking at the checks and balances within that system and where the wider policy comes along and says , is that along and says, is that particular software like any particular software like any particular software, is it adhenng particular software, is it adhering to the rules and regulations that are required for that to be even? so, it's the oversight there. in the same way that you have to service any part of your machinery in that

you use it to make sure it's safe and fit for use, and that is going to be a key element of how we integrate these technologies within our lives. alongside the training, alongside the recognition that this is, you know, it can be flawed. and this isn't just for someone to rely say, that's it itself. so it says, okay, this has been flagged. what's the next stage in the process of taking civil liberties? >> we look at, you know, i'm concerned about our civil liberties with all of this. it's one thing being watched 24 over seven throughout every time you leave your front door , you've leave your front door, you've got a cctv camera staring at you. you've got ring doorbells everywhere. now, you know, we all have to live with track and trace on our phones for quite a while, and now we've got facial recognition technology . this is recognition technology. this is a bit big brother, isn't it? >> well , it's it a bit big brother, isn't it? >> well, it's it is an extension of what we use all the time. as i say, the same time, we're going to use it for our passports and we go through

those biometric gates . and so those biometric gates. and so the data is there. so it's the point of how, you know, the bigger picture of this is it's going to be there if you've consented for it to be used in circumstances, it's going to be in the system. what how safely is that being kept by the technology? that's looking after it? that's where really where our privacy protections come in. the people who are safeguarding that, are they taking proper responsibility of that? so it could be used beneficially . and could be used beneficially. and in this case, we always have to look at not just the machine but the people and the process. it's, you know , it's somewhat it's, you know, it's somewhat like anything we do in life. >> yes. the people running these things and making decisions on the technology. thank you. so much, melanie. really interesting to speak to you about this. melanie garson, who is the cyber policy lead at the tony blair institute. >> thank you. well, there we go. >> thank you. well, there we go. >> so one of the big dividing lines in the election campaign right now is young people. so labour say let them vote. we just heard from jonathan ashworth earlier on didn't we. the tories say let them serve.

>> yes . rishi the tories say let them serve. >> yes. rishi sunak has taken to social media to defend his controversial national service policy. >> oh, i'm not sending everyone off to join the army. what i am doing is proposing a bold new model of national service for 18 year olds. they'll be able to choose to spend 12 months in a full time military commission or one weekend per month volunteering in roles within your local community, like delivering prescriptions and food to elderly people or in search and rescue. this will give all young people valuable life skills, make our country more secure and build a stronger national culture. >> well, we can now speak with political commentator stephen carlton woods. stephen, thank you very much for joining us. you very much forjoining us. i don't know if you heard, but we were just talking to the shadow minister, jonathan ashworth, and he said, this policy is nonsense andifs he said, this policy is nonsense and it's unravelling already . and it's unravelling already. >> we should have done it ages ago, i don't know why they're just coming up with it now. >> really , i think it's

>> really, i think it's a brilliant idea and i would actually extend it to two years, not 12 months. >> okay. all right. so there is a choice here. and i think, again, this does appear to have been lost that i think the communication of this could have been better, it 30,000 children or young adults a year would be accepted into the actual armed forces. the rest of that 700,000 or so would do community work one weekend a month. so it's not really all about joining the military. and if you vote for this, then your child's going to be sent off to fight in a foreign war. is it? >> no, no, not at all. >> and let's be clear on it. it's 18 year olds, not 16 year olds. >> 18 year olds. and i just think it's, you know, it's something i've thought about for a long time. and i actually did a long time. and i actually did a bit of time in the military service , and it did mean no harm service, and it did mean no harm at all. and i always thought it was a good idea. so it brings in a lot of new things to the table, really. having young people at refuse to go to work or can't go to work or whatever

reasons they're not engaging with society. there's a bit of a stop gap here, and even if they choose not to go into the military , they can do community military, they can do community work over the weekends and there will be caveats to that. so people going into university or studying or something like that, it won't it won't be everyone. so we need a bit more detail, i would say, but i think in on the whole of it, the basic idea is, is a good idea. >> i mean, that's the problem, isn't it? there was no build up to this announcement, i guess there was a little bit of build up with the fact that so many people were coming out and saying that we might need conscription. you had various army chiefs saying we might need conscription because the world is such a dangerous place. but from rishi sunak perspective, it does sound like this has just been you know, plucked out of plucked out of nowhere. i think the reason the military leaders were saying that is recruitment into the military is at an all time low , they just can't get time low, they just can't get people. they can't entice people into the military. so i think this is another reason behind

that. to sort of like, give a gentle nudge to, to our 18 year olds and show them these other things in life and a good experience to be had. >> well, what do you think is going to play better with the voters? because this is one big aspect that is going to come down to is what we do with the youth of today. so labour is saying votes for 16 year olds and the tories are saying national service and slash community service for 18 year olds. so what is going to play better at the election? >> i don't think it's an election issue. this because, it i think the conservatives have already conceded they're not going to form a government in the next after the next election. so they're just bringing some good ideas to the table. as i said at the top of this interview, i wish they'd had done this many years ago. not not at this late stage . not not at this late stage. >> i mean, it is it is quite a popular policy when, if the polling is to, to believe, thank you very much indeed . still, you very much indeed. still, stephen carlton—woods, you are a

political commentator. great to speak to you as always. >> that polling, by the way, 42% in favour. >> so 32% opposed. yeah. and if you don't know, sprinkled in there. but, coming up, we're going to be live. wait for it on the liberal democrat battle bus . the liberal democrat battle bus. as ed davey says, cambridgeshire voters are switching to his party. >> we're also speaking to the author of a book called why planes crash, about an apparent rise in turbulence in the skies. do not watch that if you're things are not related , if things are not related, if you're if you're about to head off to the airport. all right. i'll see you after your headline. >> good afternoon for the gb newsroom. it's 231. here are the headlines. the labour leader has described the conservatives plans to reintroduce national service as desperate. in his first major speech of the election campaign, sir keir starmer dismissed the prime minister's proposals to make all 18 year olds choose between serving in the army or volunteering in their local

community. he said there was desperation behind the policy and that it would be paid for by cancelling levelling up funding and tax avoidance, which his party would use to invest in the nhs . nhs. >> i do accept the proposition that we need , strong defences that we need, strong defences and that has to be the first duty of any government, but i think this plan is desperate. i think this plan is desperate. i think they are rummaging around in the toy box to try and find any plan that they can throw on the table. i don't think it'll work. you've seen what military experts, those with experience, have said about it. you see what the government said about it just a few days ago when they were asked. that would take away from the resources of the military . military. >> scotland's first minister says the snp can kick the conservatives out of every seat in scotland as he campaigns ahead of the general election. john swinney has been in dumfries , which is part of dumfries, which is part of scottish secretary alister jack, dumfries and galloway seat. he says his priority is to bring

the country together to tackle a range of issues. i want to bring people in scotland together, i want to unite people in scotland on an agenda to make scotland a better country and that's about tackling some of the issues that are really significant and damaging for scotland that we've had in recent years. >> the impact of austerity, the impact of brexit, the impact of the cost of living crisis. i want to address those issues and address them through the election . election. >> for the latest stories, do sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts .

>> well. good afternoon. britain. now coming up at 3:00. it is, of course, martin daubney martin, are you there? and what

is coming up on your wonderful show this afternoon ? show this afternoon? >> i'm here. i'm still in shock from jonathan ashworth. not once , but twice, referring to the kamasutra. i mean, jonathan, what you do in private, that's between you and god . can we between you and god. can we please keep it off daytime television? on a serious point . television? on a serious point. it's day one of the general election campaign. high on rhetoric, short on detail. >> i never knew sir keir starmer dad was a toolmaker. >> i think we might hear a lot more of that over the coming weeks. desperate dad's army stuff on defence. but when is sir keir starmer going to show us his medals on defence? we can't have six weeks of simply attacking the tories on the economy either, saying we're on the brink. it's chaos. but the only detail to date of how to raise money is by taxing private schools. the biscuit tin is empty. how will the labour party going to pay for running the country? plus, i'm being inspired by this this moving new initiative to get kids lonely inner city kids to go fishing

and gardening and just being mates with each other on the nhs. is this cuddly stuff gone mad or? actually, i think it's a wonderful directive . i'll be wonderful directive. i'll be speaking to a charity director who believes that friendship can literally help save teenage lives. and i'm a massive , lives. and i'm a massive, massive fan of it. >> oh, it's all good stuff. martin as we would expect. well, thank you very much. we look forward to it. martin daubney will be lighting up your television screens and electrifying your radios three till 6 pm. martin daubney. yeah you know that keir starmer's dad was a was a toolmaker. >> oh , no, i hadn't heard that. >> oh, no, i hadn't heard that. >> oh, no, i hadn't heard that. >> no, no, i did speak to one tory mp who said, well, surely that's that's obvious. >> but you know that rishi sunak's dad was a pharmacist . sunak's dad was a pharmacist. >> no. yeah. well that's that's different. harder to joke about, harder to joke about. >> davie's dad did, yeah. >> davie's dad did, yeah. >> gosh. anyway, on that note , >> gosh. anyway, on that note, the lib dems have been continuing their general election campaign today with the first leg of their blue wall battle bus setting off. >> it's not a blue battle bus. it is a very orange battle, very

orange, very orange. >> whilst leader sir ed davey has been launching his party's scottish campaign. >> yes. meanwhile, sir keir starmer has been trying to paint labour as the party of law and order, claiming that he'll make security the bedrock of his party's manifesto. dismissing rishi sunak's pledge to introduce national service, he says it's a sign of desperation . says it's a sign of desperation. >> well, olivia utley is on the lib dem battle bus for us and katherine forster is in west sussex, where she's been following keir starmer's campaign trail, live. i'll start with you, if that's all right. where are you? where are you going ? going? >> i am on the battle bus. i'm currently about halfway up the m1. we are going to windermere first. that is the lib dems only constituency in the north of england. after that, we'll be going to wales and then will be offered . offered. >> oh, no. »- >> oh, no. >> now come on, carry on. >> now come on, carry on. >> now come on, carry on. >> we've got you back. we've got you back. it's >> yeah. okay. yeah. on the way to windermere , the lib dems are to windermere, the lib dems are targeting mostly conservative

seats . in fact, only one of seats. in fact, only one of their top target seats are is labour held at the moment. most of them are either conservative or snp. now that means that they can use quite similar tactics, both in the south of england and in scotland, because in both cases they are fighting the incumbent . these are places incumbent. these are places where the conservatives are usually really, really dominant places like jeremy hunts constituency in surrey, right in the south of england, right in the south of england, right in the home counties. but the lib dems are hoping that they can take over these constituencies with sort of protest votes, anti—gun votes. i've been speaking to some lib dems here on the bus today, and they say that they're trying to get the balance right between their optimism and fun. it's definitely a lot of fun going on. ed davey is going to be paddleboarding tomorrow. so, up in windermere and not being to complain , but if you cast your complain, but if you cast your mind back to 2019, the lib dems were saying that jo swinson was going to be the next prime

minister in the end, they actually won just 11 seats. and jo swinson herself lost her seat to the snp. they are taking a very different tactic here. they're not putting a number on how many seats they they're planning to hold. they just say that there is no ceiling on their ambition. and all the lib dems i've spoken to are very, very excited that they might really be able to get some of those seats in the blue wall. they've called this bus, yellowhammer one. that's the yellowhammer that's going to smash up the blue wall in the south of england. let's see how they do . they do. >> oh. good stuff. thank you so much, olivia. and the line held up there. i know sometimes the m1 can go a bit squiffy. thank you very much. let's go to katherine forster now, because, catherine, you've been with the labour leader today. what's the latest from their campaign ? latest from their campaign? >> yes. good afternoon and welcome to worthing , here in the welcome to worthing, here in the constituency of east worthing and shoreham . it's currently and shoreham. it's currently held by the conservatives since 1997, when the current mp , tim

1997, when the current mp, tim loughton, came in. but he is standing down and labour snapping at their heels here. they were 37% last time, so they certainly hopeful of taking it. and sir keir starmer gave the first of many, many speeches today in his election campaign. this is an area that he's very familiar with. he grew up not far from here, talking about his childhood, talking about how his parents had had to make decisions on which bills to pay because they couldn't pay them all trying to reach out to people and make it clear to them that he understands how hard the cost of living crisis is for people, and also an awareness that people are not sold on him yet, despite the fact that labour are so far ahead in the polls, his central mish mission today , pardon me, is to convince today, pardon me, is to convince people to trust him. he's basically saying i'm bringing change, but i'm also bringing stability. now it sounds a bit

confused, doesn't it? but he's saying we've had 14 years of tory chaos . trust me, i will tory chaos. trust me, i will bnng tory chaos. trust me, i will bring stability and an end to the chaos. he's saying he will bnng the chaos. he's saying he will bring economic security , vie bring economic security, vie border security and national security , pledging not to raise security, pledging not to raise taxes, saying they're going to be very careful with their spending plans. they know there's not much money around border security, of course. they're scrapping rwanda. they've got this plan for their special boats command , that he special boats command, that he is convinced is going to help to crack down on the criminal gangs. 10,000 people, of course, have crossed the channel illegally this year to date. that's a record for this time this year. and national security too. he was asked about gaza. he was asked about palestine. he said he wanted an immediate ceasefire. we were harassed a little bit before by pro—palestine , protesters. there pro—palestine, protesters. there

are splits , of course, within are splits, of course, within the labour party about the approach to gaza. but he manages most of the time to preach a pretty good lid on that. >> thank you very much indeed. beautiful setting where you are, catherine. thank you, catherine, and thank you, olivia. good stuff. >> enjoy the rest of your day. >> enjoy the rest of your day. >> you know, one thing i'm surprised at is that we keep heanng surprised at is that we keep hearing about how windermere, is being pumped full of sewage. yeah, the lake there. >> i was thinking that, too. >> i was thinking that, too. >> the idea that you're going to send ed davey paddleboarding in windermere. i find that quite strange, quite interesting. i can see disaster waiting to happen there . happen there. >> he does like to do his little stunts, doesn't he? >> he does like to do his little stunts. yes, swim a little paddleboard. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> i mean, maybe he'll do rock climbing or something. >> well, there's loads he can do, so he'll be up in the sea of westmorland and lonsdale, which is where i used to live, actually . yeah. tim farron's, actually. yeah. tim farron's, the local mp there, former leader of the liberal democrats as well. so they'll be beautiful stomping around there. i just wonder with that though, he's

going it's just going to a safe. well safe ish lib dem seat isn't he. i don't know we'll see what else he does. but yeah i think they secure it again. it'll be fascinating though won't it. when, when they, when they tee off on on how the tories have pumped our waterways and our beautiful destinations like windermere. they're full of sewage. and then you see him paddleboarding in it and enjoying it and enjoying himself, and you think, well, why? how do those two things marry up? but maybe that's part of the stunt. he won't go paddleboarding because it's too filthy. >> also, keir starmer that his line today is trust me, yeah , line today is trust me, yeah, that's all right. >> i mean, anyone can say that, can't they? but yes. oh well there we go. did he know his dad's a toolmaker though? more on that later on the way that we will discuss how 12 people have been injured on a flight due to turbulence. what's going on? this is happening more and more and more now. should we be worried or is it all just perfectly normal? we're going to

as well as, i'm sure a lot of

you are acutely aware. it appears like turbulence on flights is becoming more and more of a problem. 12 people have been injured on a qatar airways flight as it passed over turkey due to turbulence. >> yes, and this is the second incident where passengers have been injured due to turbulence in just seven days. now, climate change has been branded a reason for the increase in clear air turbulence . not cleaner. yeah, turbulence. not cleaner. yeah, but what is really going on? >> well , just for a bit of >> well, just for a bit of context, we did also have a meteorologist on who said that was a load of rubbish. but anyway, retired former pilot and author of confessions of an aeroplane pilot why planes crash is terry tozer. terry, thank you very much. look, how bad is turbulence. how unusual is this? what are we living through right now ? now? >> well, turbulence is pretty common, but it's never, as severe as this. >> as a general rule, these , two >> as a general rule, these, two instances that you mentioned , instances that you mentioned, tend to be, i think really at the end of the spectrum, you know, they're pretty severe and

pretty unusual, i only can only remember one really serious, turbulent event in 20 odd years. >> so, we have to remember, of course, that things are changing i >> -- >> can, -_ >> can, bad turbulence actually lead to a plane going down? when can it lead to a to a crash? >> very, very unusual. >> very, very unusual. >> it's not. >> it's not. >> nothing is impossible. >> nothing is impossible. >> but, in fact , one of the >> but, in fact, one of the reasons i wrote the book was because people were constantly telling me that their biggest fear was turbulence. >> and as a general rule, it's the last thing you need to worry about , the planes are very about, the planes are very strong, they don't lose control easily. >> so , these kind of events that >> so, these kind of events that we've experienced are really unusual. and if people were , unusual. and if people were, strapped in, if they kept their belts on, they wouldn't be. >> they wouldn't be injured. >> they wouldn't be injured. >> well, this is the thing, by the way, terry, i love the fact

that people kept telling you what their biggest fear was. and you wrote a book telling them, no, it's all this other stuff you need to be terrified about. but, but yeah, so, so if people keep if people keep their seatbelts on, everything's fine. is it pretty much pretty much it. >> yeah. i mean, obviously people have to go to the loo or, you know, maybe stretch their legs . the cabin crew are the legs. the cabin crew are the people that are most at risk because , as you know, they're up because, as you know, they're up and down the cabin most of the time on a short flight and, pretty frequently anyway, on a long haul , pretty frequently anyway, on a long haul, so, yeah, keep keep strapped in and, and i'll bet you all those people that were injured on these two flights were not secured . were not secured. >> yes, that may well be the case. and that is very good advice. and it's something that i will certainly be heeding. thank you very much, terry. really great to get your perspective on this. terry tozer, who has written two books, the author of confessions of an airline pilot, why planes crash. >> yeah, now. so look, our our general feel for this so far is we've had two guests. one was a meteorologist and one is an

expert in aviation who have both said, don't worry about this turbulence thing . it's very turbulence thing. it's very unusual. stay strapped in. you'll be absolutely fine. we're just hearing more about it. but another guest at the start of the show, who was a little bit more like, yes, this is slightly more like, yes, this is slightly more extreme. so you know, take of that what you will. >> but yes, there we go. we've hit all the angles, all the perspectives up to you to make your mind up. but yes, we've got some views to end the show, keep them coming. by the way, gbnews.com/yoursay on national service . lee has to say army service. lee has to say army life is hard. it has to be. if you have people in the army who don't want to be there, who don't want to be there, who don't want to five mile run before breakfast, you have to be able to force them to do what is needed, or it will be a waste of time. if that happens, you'll have a stream of no win, no fee lawyers taking offices to court for abusing human rights. >> can i just come back to that slightly, because i absolutely agree with you. there's no point. there's no point in like dragging 18 year olds out of their bed and then forcing them into the armed forces. but if you've got this, it's 30,000

people, 18 year olds out of a cohort of about 700,000 is all that would be in the armed forces. so i think conceivably you would fill that with people who do want to be there. i could be wrong about this, but i think you would fill it with people who do want to be there. so you might have some of those issues and the rest will be doing things like, you know, helping the elderly or delivering prescriptions or search and rescue, search and rescue. that's cool. i'd like to do search and rescue. it'd be cool. >> well, go on then. >> well, go on then. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> volunteer at the weekends, pete says, what's wrong with the national service? this could be a great way. just maybe this will stop the knife crime. they do not have any stability in their lives. maybe this is a good thing. so i am all for national service. so there you go. i think labour, labour. he's saying that labour are scared that it might work. >> well we did, we did ask the shadow paymaster general of the labour party to try to justify why on earth they wanted 16 year olds to vote and he. well, you can watch that for yourselves. he didn't really seem to have much of an answer and just all a big joke, wasn't it? it was all a big joke, which actually i

think maybe is a bit insulting. but anyway, nigel farage is very quickly, this is on nigel's comments about certain aspects of the british muslim community. nigel says things as they are. he's a straight talking, informed politician. this is an individual on your say so. there we go. those are a little summary of some of your views. thank you very, very much. everybody who's been engaging with this show throughout the course of it being tremendous to have you on. >> yes, we're trying to keep you very much, engaged in the whole election battle. and we'll keep going. i will see you tomorrow and you'll see them tonight. >> i'll see beyond 9 to 11 pm. martin daubney is up next, so stay tuned. >> for a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> good evening. welcome to your latest gb news weather from the met office. so plenty of heavy showers and some outbreaks of rain are on the way over the next couple of days, but there will be some brightness in

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gb news. way. >> good afternoon to you. i hope you're having a fantastic bank houday you're having a fantastic bank holiday monday. >> it's 3 pm. and welcome to the martin daubney show on gb news. we're broadcasting live from the heart of westminster, all across the uk. on today's show, sir keir starmer kicked off day one of labour's general election campaign today, saying you can trust us on the economy but with a tax rate on private schools, our only method of raising funds to date , how would raising funds to date, how would labour be able to afford to rebuild britain ? next up, rishi rebuild britain? next up, rishi sunak's new national service plan has been ridiculed by sir keir starmer as a teenage dads army. >> even his own ministers say it was sprung upon them. but i'll speak to a former army officer who thinks that rishi sunak's idea could be a canny manoeuvre after all. next up, the tories are pledging to give teachers given legal protection from blasphemy claims , saying no blasphemy claims, saying no religion is immune from

criticism . it