for a rundown on today's politics. the election section, if you like. remember, just goes back in the day. what we used to call that. and we have got some great topics and fiery debate with a great panel. should we really bring back national service? that's the debate of the day, isn't it? and nigel farage is in hot water again over comments he made about the muslim community and people up and down the country are kicking off over tourists ruining their beautiful villages and towns over bank holiday weekend. are we a nation of whingers though , we a nation of whingers though, or are we just disrespectful tourists ? but that's all to come tourists? but that's all to come in the next hour . it's packed. in the next hour. it's packed. but first, here's the latest news headlines with the lovely

theo. >> it's 6:01. i'm theo chikomba in the gb newsroom. the prime minister has defended his plan to make all 18 year olds carry out national service , describing out national service, describing it as modern and bold. raisi sunak says the proposals will mean young people will get the skills and opportunities they need, which will serve them well in life. he says it will make society more cohesive and i believe this is the right thing to do because this is how we'll deliver a secure future for everyone and our country. >> we're not going to do that without taking bold action, and that's a type of leadership that i offer. and this modern form of national service will mean that young people get the skills and the opportunities they need, which is going to serve them very well in life. it's going to foster a culture of service, which is going to be incredibly powerful for making our society more cohesive and in a more uncertain and dangerous world. it's going to strengthen our

country's security and resilience. so for all these reasons, i think this is absolutely the right thing to do i >> meanwhile, the labour leader has described the conservative plan to reintroduce national service as desperate , answering service as desperate, answering questions after his first keynote speech of the campaign , keynote speech of the campaign, sir keir starmer dismissed the prime minister's proposals to accept the proposition that we need , strong defences and that need, strong defences and that has to be the first duty of any government. >> but i think this plan is desperate. i think they are rummaging around in the toy box to try and find any plan that they can throw on the table. i don't think it'll work . you've don't think it'll work. you've seen what military experts, those with experience, have said about it. you've seen what the government said about it just a few days ago when they were asked. that would take away from the resources of the military . the resources of the military. >> meanwhile, the liberal democrats have launched their general election campaign in scotland. speaking in fife, lib dem leader sir ed davey said it was time for change.

>> the people of scotland have been doubly let down, let down by an out of touch conservative government in westminster and taken for granted by an out—of—touch snp government in holyrood . they both have to go . holyrood. they both have to go. >> scotland's first minister says the snp can kick the conservatives out of every seat in scotland , as he campaigns in scotland, as he campaigns ahead of the general election. john swinney has been in dumfries, which is part of scottish secretary alister jack's dumfries and galloway seat. he says his priority is to bnng seat. he says his priority is to bring the country together to tackle a range of issues. >> i want to bring people in scotland together. i want to unite people in scotland on an agenda to make scotland a better country, and that's about tackling some of the issues that are really significant and damaging for scotland that we have had in recent years. the impact of austerity , the impact impact of austerity, the impact of brexit, the impact of the

cost of living crisis. i want to address those issues and address them through the election . them through the election. >> a tory mp has been suspended by the conservative party for backing reform uk's candidate in the telford seat seat she is vacating. lucy allan, who is standing down at the general election, said on social media she'd be supporting allan adams to be the next mp in her town. a spokesman for the conservative party said mrs. allan had been suspended from the party, with immediate effect . a 17 year old immediate effect. a 17 year old boy arrested on suspicion of the murder of a woman on a beach in bournemouth, has been released without charge. a 34 year old woman, named locally as amy grey grey was pronounced dead on dali chine beach on friday night, whilst a 38 year old woman was taken to hospital with serious injuries. police investigating have released cctv images of a hooded suspect . dorset police hooded suspect. dorset police are urging anyone who recognises

the person in the cctv picture to get in touch urgently . and to get in touch urgently. and have warned the public not to approach him . a member of approach him. a member of egypt's security forces has been killed in a shooting incident near the rafah border crossing between egypt and the gaza strip, according to an egyptian military spokesperson. earlier israeli forces said they had they were investigating reports of an exchange of fire between israeli and egyptian soldiers close to the crossing. the idf said a shooting incident occurred on the egyptian border. it's understood the incident is under review and discussions are being held with egyptians . a man being held with egyptians. a man and a woman in their 40s have been arrested in connection with the fatal explosion at a service station in county donegal. ten people aged between 5 and 59 died in the blast in october 2022. in the irish, irish

village of creeslough. police investigating the explosion say a man and a woman, both in their 40s, have been arrested . for the 40s, have been arrested. for the latest stories, sign up on gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alert. now it's back to dawn . back to dawn. >> welcome back to dewbs& co with me, dawn neeson . joining me with me, dawn neeson. joining me until seven is my wonderful panel today on bank holiday monday. indeed. we have live here in the house of lords. daniel moylan and broadcaster and journalist zoe grunwald. thank you very much for joining me and giving up your lovely bank holiday, and for you for watching. hope you're having a wonderful weekend out there as well. we've got a cracking show coming up for you, but it's not about what we've got to say. it's about what you've got to say. so first things first, get your views coming in gbnews.com/yoursay say anything you want to talk about. anything

we're talking about. it's bank holiday, a little gossip. shall we, send messages with michelle? she's having a nice, well—deserved day off with her family. but it's not about us. it's about you. now, today, we have to do. i'm sorry. i know it's a bank holiday monday, but we have to do the election section and to discuss today's political news and events. we are joined now by gb news political correspondent and expert in all these things. live from the lib dem. battlebus olivia utley. you lucky woman. you. how's it going? what we catch us up on today ? what's catch us up on today? what's happened today? >> well, it's been a pretty dramatic first day of the first full week of the election campaign, particularly for the conservatives. in fact, it's been a pretty bad day for the conservatives first, we had steve baker, a northern ireland minister, openly criticising the government's national service policy idea. he has essentially challenged the prime minister to sack him, which we don't think the prime minister is going to do, because of course we are so

close to the election , but he close to the election, but he doesn't like that idea and he has been very, very open about that. writing an online blog about why he just does not think it's going to work. we also had lucy allan, who is an outgoing conservative mp. she's already said that she's going to stand down at the next election, but until parliament is dissolved on thursday, she is still a conservative mp. she has backed the reform candidate in the upcoming election . now that upcoming election. now that means she's been immediately suspended as a conservative party mp. there is also growing mutiny on the conservative back benches from mps who feel that they just were not given enough time for this election. they all thought that the election was coming in the autumn , and they coming in the autumn, and they just say that they haven't raised the money yet and they haven't yet buttered up their constituents enough to be able to fight this campaign. they are really, really annoyed and they are briefing that annoyance to journalists like me that rishi sunak decided to go to the

country early and that he didn't get mps involved at all in that decision . in fact, even when he decision. in fact, even when he went to his cabinet, he said that it was a fait accompli. he'd already talked to the king, something which is almost unprecedented. there has also been a leaked email from cchq blaming senior ministers and senior conservative mps for not making enough effort on the conservative campaign. conservative ministers, who have been apparently refusing to knock on doors. well, that's going to create some more bad blood between the government and the prime minister. meanwhile labour tried to sort of put some flesh on the bones of its policy ideas. keir starmer has today been talking about national security, something which he knows deeply, deeply worries a huge swathe of the british pubuc huge swathe of the british public and something which labour traditionally isn't quite as trusted on, on the tories and obviously the lib dems. i'm here on the battle bus. they're feeling confident, they're feeling confident, they're feeling optimistic. feeling confident, they're feeling optimistic . so that's feeling optimistic. so that's where we are at the end of the first day of the first full week of the election campaign, olivia

utley election section, we're going to have to sort some sort of theme music out for you. >> thank you very much. crisp, sexy and full of impact on the lib dem battle bus. thoughts and prayers with olivia ray. okay, now let's see what we are going to talk about on today's show. a cracking show for you. it's not all politics. we have some fun as well by the way. now over the weekend, rishi sunak announced plans to bring back mandatory military service for 18 year olds. it's a huge talking point on the front of all our newspapers. you can't avoid it. it's part of his election pledge. this would mean that young people would have to spend a year in the military, or do volunteer work on weekends . so volunteer work on weekends. so big talking point. what do you think of this? is it a good way to discipline young adults or is it complete nonsense? has it been scrawled out on the back of a fag packet over the last couple of weeks? do you believe a word any of them are saying ? a word any of them are saying? will it ever happen? will they be in government? so many questions. so it's a good job. i have got a brilliant panel with me that daniel moylan. i'm going

to come to you first. now, i know you're not representing the conservative party at all in any way, shape or form. you are just being daniel. and i just want you to be daniel, right? okay this show is not all about heavy politics. it's about having an opinion and having some fun. so, daniel, this national service , daniel, this national service, what do you make of it? >> well, before i come to that, can i just say i love all this election stuff because this is democracy in the raw. this is the privilege that we have fought for . this is true so many fought for. this is true so many generations. and because of brexit, this is the first general election in decades. >> hold on, hold on daniel. >> hold on, hold on daniel. >> you know the b word. no one within ten minutes. >> no one, no one can hide behind the european union. every one of these politicians who's canvassing for your votes from every party, they have to take full responsibility for what they're saying, because they're going to be governing the country and they won't be able to hide behind european union laws. it is real democracy for the british people. i really hope everyone takes part. i know it can be a bit boring having it

on the telly every night, but it's really, really important now when we come to national service or whatever it's being called. >> yeah, i think the names probably, i think there were good, good, good and bad things about this. >> i think it is true that a lot of kids nowadays suffer from isolation. they aren't sufficiently involved in what's going on, and i think the idea that they might do something in the community is, is, is a good idea. whether it's mandatory, compulsory, how you manage that, that's all. that's all a little bit more difficult, i do think, and i saw a troop of scouts only at the weekend . i do think you at the weekend. i do think you need to think about this at an earlier stage in their life, and i think it's good enough to say, you know, people should be in children should be involved with the community starting at 18. there are other things they can do, other things that can be encouraged for kids to get more involved in social type activity , whether in an organised way or not. and i think we should be encouraging all that. and if we see this really as part of a bigger spectrum of trying to involve kids in social activity

and community activity throughout their young lives, and i think there could be a lot of positive, a lot of positives about matt. >> the confusion i have with this one, zoe, is it's like on one hand it was mandatory. they have to do it and then on the other hand it was like, no, no, no, no, it's not that mandatory. i mean it's either is or it isn't. and no one's quite explained what happens to kids if they don't go and do this. and what i'm what's been accused at the moment is that conservatives hate young people. basically you are a young person, very gorgeous young person, very gorgeous young person, but you are young. you know, we've got on one hand we've got keir starmer going right votes for 16 and 17 year olds. we love young people. vote for us on the other hand, you've got rishi sunak saying we're going to force all 18 year olds to go and do either military service or go on. i don't know, clean up the local high street or something at the weekend. what do you make of it as a young person? >> well, i think it's a strange move from the conservatives, and i think what it really shows is that this is a party, that it's trying to stem the bleeding and

stem the losses, because we know the conservative party is haemorrhaging young votes. this is partly to do to their do with their response to the housing crisis. it's partly to do with their economic plans, things on taxation policies like that, but to choose a policy that targets young people, that many young people will not like and will be opposed to, just shows you that they've given up trying to win back young votes. and at this point, they're trying to go for that over 65 vote, the sort of group that look at the younger generation and say, i don't think they're doing their bit for society in the way that my parents did and the way that i feel i did. but my problem with this is i think the conservatives have recognised something which is that young people feel isolated from their community. they spend a lot of time online. they don't feel like they have, you know, a stake in the world at the minute, but rather than doing something that is compulsory and sort of standing over them with a stick and saying, you have to do this, otherwise you could be in big trouble, why not offer them something that empowers them? why not say, this is a great opportunity, we're going to put money into it. you can go travel abroad with the military,

you can do this. and it's not compulsory, but we would love you to do it. and there will be great benefits from doing it that to me seems like a much wiser, fairer and kinder idea to then introducing these policies. that's just going to make them feel like, why are you picking on us? we've had a rough time of it. we can't afford housing. our schools are crumbling. we stayed inside for two years to protect the older generation during covid. i just think it's not kind politics and it's not politics that's going to inspire young people and make them feel connected. that's a good point, though, isn't it, daniel? >> it's like, you know, back in the day when we were younger, the day when we were younger, the armed forces used to be told, you know, travel the world, learn a trade. they didn't mention the gun and get killed bit, but they were selling the positive points of it, you know, i mean, maybe if it, you know, i mean, maybe if it was more carrot and less stick, this policy wouldn't have caused so much knockback. i mean, it's got a hell of a lot of criticism, not least from very many conservative party mps themselves. >> it's got a lot of support, actually, and there are 1 or 2 conservative party mps, mps who've come out against it. and ihave who've come out against it. and i have every respect for steve

baken i have every respect for steve baker, and i also respect the fact steve baker served himself in the military, of course. >> yes. >> yes. >> professional airman before he went into the world of , he was. went into the world of, he was. then he went into computers , i then he went into computers, i think, and then became an mp, so i've got a lot of respect for him for that. he knows what he's talking about when he talks about the military. but it's interesting that zoe doesn't really disagree with the policy. she's just thinking about how it's presented. it could have been presented in a more gentle way. so i think there are legs on this. and the fact that the government has said they're going to set up a royal commission of some sort that's going to work out the details, probably is a sensible way of approaching it, because details do need to be to be worked out. but i do come back to this point that i think there is something to be said, for in a kind way, there is something to be said to try and help many young people. i think we've been talking. we might be talking later about the fact that an awful lot of young people are being medicated for so—called mental health conditions, a lot of young people who would be happier if

they had better links with the community, and nowadays they're much more isolated. and it's not just because they spend time online, it's partly because they're not allowed to go out and play in the street. they can't take a bus on their own. they have to be sat on the tube so that they don't fall over the poor things and so on. nothing like the way we were brought up, which was much more interesting. both of other with other children, you know , we were children, you know, we were expected if we fell over to bounce, which is what both of you have mentioned, the generation divide here and i don't know about either of you, but i feel like the generation gap has never been wider. >> zoe, you alluded to the fact that the older generations are looking at young folk and think, yeah, well , you're not pulling yeah, well, you're not pulling your weight. you're not doing what we used to do when we were younger. you've been wrapped up in cotton wool. you're snowflakes, to borrow that old phrase. i mean, do you feel that, you know, younger generations are are treated with a bit of contempt by the older generations? i do actually, and i think it's really unfair. >> i think especially and i'll go back to this point. during covid, young people stayed

inside. they lost valuable. when you're young, every year is very valuable for your development. some people lost really valuable years where they could have been making connections. you know, people who feel really bad for the for young people who went to university and spent the first two years of, of freedom. and that period of their life locked in indoors to protect their grandparents , to protect old, grandparents, to protect old, the older generation. and i feel like we spoke a lot about that pubuc like we spoke a lot about that public sacrifice at the time. but since then, the conservative government have kind of introduced these policies that aren't really listening to what young people want. i think there's been some interesting points made about smartphones and the impact that's having on young people's mental health, but i would like to see more policy made talking to young people and understanding what it is they want, because i think there's a real issue here. if you treat a generation with contempt or you talk to a generation as if they have nothing to offer, they'll start to internalise that and believe it. and i actually think, you know, we have an ageing population more and more older generations are going to be depending on younger generations for care. we need to bring

politics together. we need to bnng politics together. we need to bring those generations together, talk about the ways that they can help each other, not widen that generational divide. and i do worry that sunak, because he's out of ideas , is kind of leaning into that, trying to draw a bit of a wedge in order to spark up voters to vote for him , rather than to vote for him, rather than to actually think of what is constructive and helpful policy . constructive and helpful policy. how can we bring those generations together and think about how holistically that can be beneficial for the social care sector, the health sector, education, all those things young people have a lot to offer. and i and i find the way they're spoken about by some politicians quite unpleasant, really. >> just just one final quick point. i'm running out of time on this one. do you think there is that resentment between the generations? more so than there had been? >> there's nothing new about the generation. no, no, no, but i just like i will just tell you. >> i'll just tell you. there was a german poet called walter von der vogelweide who in his old age. >> i'm so glad you said that. >> i'm so glad you said that. >> a poem about young people, how they were, they didn't know how they were, they didn't know how to dress anymore. they

didn't know how to behave. they didn't know how to behave. they didn't know how to behave. they didn't know how to enjoy themselves properly. that was written in 1200 and absolute, roughly 1200 and absolutely nothing new about the generational divide. the old have always thought the young don't know how to live life, and the young have always resented the young have always resented the fact that the old somehow seem to be comfortable and they're having to struggle. it's always been the case. >> well, there you go. 12, 12, 13 century, 13 century. yeah, 13th century literature for you. on a bank holiday monday in germany. who knew we'd go down that particular route? >> i could even quote from no, no, no, no no. >> oh, god, we're running out of time. oh, no. what a shame. him, right? are british muslims being used as a political football? much more to come on that soon. don't go too far

hello. welcome back. this is dewbs& co with me. dawn neesom, keeping me company until 7:00 is live here in the house of lords. daniel moylan and broadcaster and journalist zoe greenwald. thank you very much for a bank houday thank you very much for a bank holiday monday. and you're here keeping me company. i'm so grateful. now, lots of you have been getting in touch because this is all about what you think, by the way, isn't it so let's go into some of your messages. some of them i can even read out. some of them are not quite so complimentary. and thank you not for mentioning any more ancient german literature. i really appreciate that. right. oh dear. yeah, i agree with you. this is steve, poor olivia olivia utley is on the lib dem battle bus, poor olivia, one has to ask, just how short was the straw that she threw ? very straw that she threw? very short, to be honest with you, no one else wants to even take a chance to be honest with you. and on politics. well, yeah. chris says, keir starmer should go into immense detail about his plans, but it wouldn't be enough for people. it would still be the same old dribble of labour has no plan. well, not actually heanng has no plan. well, not actually hearing any defined plans. but then again, labour in

opposition, they don't have to have plans at the moment, do they? they can just say tories are a bit rubbish, meanwhile alan good afternoon alan says sunakis alan good afternoon alan says sunak is a liability to this tory party and so are the clandestine people behind him blocking true conservative from standing in the election. got you. you almost make it sound exciting. they're going, oh, god, no . right. anyway, so let's god, no. right. anyway, so let's go on to some more crisp and sexy politics. but this one is yesterday morning, our very own nigel farage made claims on sky news that the certain elements within the muslim community are at odds with british society. he has both been criticised and defended. but what do you make of this? let's take a look at what you had to say, shall we? >> we have a growing number of young people in this country who do not subscribe to british values, in fact loathe much of what we stand for. so what do you do? >> who are we talking about there? oh i think we see them on there? oh i think we see them on the streets of london every saturday. what do they look like? oh we're talking about what do they look like? are we talking about muslims? here we are. >> well, strong words indeed.

and they were words that they weren't picked up on by foreign officer minister anne—marie trevelyan, who echoed what nigel has said, and by saying that some muslims did want to challenge fundamental uk values . challenge fundamental uk values. now these words are they have been used by trevor phillips himself, by the way, who was interviewing farage on that, and he was actually suspended from the labour party for being accused of islamophobia, for saying a very similar thing by the way, he remarked that not many muslims were in poppies. so there's, you know, there's a lot going on behind this story, but the bottom line is, is it dangerous rhetoric or is it simply common sense to admit that there may be a bit of a problem here somewhere along the line? so what do you think to this one? >> well, i think that there is a lot of focus at the minute on muslims and i, and i find that really uncomfortable because we know that all sorts of groups in the uk , all sorts of religious the uk, all sorts of religious groups may have values that are

at odds with some of these british values that nigel farage was talking about, british values that nigel farage was talking about , things like was talking about, things like freedom of speech, freedom of choice. we know that there are sometimes tensions with different religions on things like, say , gay marriage or, you like, say, gay marriage or, you know, things like that, and, you know, things like that, and, you know, i find it really i think it must be really difficult to be muslim in this country at the minute to hear this. the way that the group is all kind of banded together and that they're spoken about as if they all share the exact same kind of thoughts and feelings on these different subjects. and actually, i think, you know, the vast majority of muslims, just as the vast majority of christians living in this country are the other groups as well, are, peaceful and tolerant. and our country really pndes tolerant. and our country really prides itself on being tolerant of other people's perspectives and views. obviously, if anybody's spouting hate or if anybody's spouting hate or if anybody's spouting hate or if anybody's spouting anything that is inciting violence, we should be able to challenge that. but i think actually this focus is political . it's trying to drive political. it's trying to drive division. and actually we should be preaching tolerance and kindness and focusing on those people who are , you know, doing people who are, you know, doing all these great things in

communities across the country . communities across the country. >> i'm completely with you. i'm all for preaching tolerance and actually less division in society. but then , daniel, i saw society. but then, daniel, i saw a picture of a chap strolling down oxford street in a man united shirt with the word hamas and number seven on the back. now it might be hamas is his surname. he might. this is the picture here. this was on friday, walking through the streets of london. hamas might be his surname. he might be a big supporter of the iconic players that have played in the number seven role for man united, but i'm not getting the impression that that's the case. and the poll that nigel, that, nigel farage was talking about from the henry jackson society suggested that 46 of british, 46% of british muslims said they sympathised with hamas . that sympathised with hamas. that might be mr hamas if i'm if i'm doing you wrong. i'm then i'm apologising. but what do you make of this? i mean, yes, we all want, you know, less division and more cohesion. but we do see things like that on our streets in london.

>> i find this this is a very big and difficult subject. the first thing i'd say is i always get worried when i hear politicians talk about british values, because i never know what these british values actually are, when you ask them what they are, they tend to roll out a whole load of basically blairite positions from the early part of the 21st century, many of which i don't even agree with. i mean, it's sort of, you know , what keeps us together as know, what keeps us together as a nation is an attachment to place and, a way of doing things. and we are accustomed in this country have been for the last 200 years, say to religious pluralism and religious toleration and, and that's part of the way we do things. the difficulty is coming up against a religion which also has a view of how society should be structured as part of its religious teaching, and the extent to which people feel, that that is something that they

can articulate and defend in the pubuc can articulate and defend in the public space and even in the political environment, and whether we can attach ourselves or whether we should be adapting ourselves to that in some way or another. and that's something that people don't want to talk about openly. and we've never actually sort of addressed at the raw political level. the fact is that labour has taken the muslim vote for granted for a very long time, despite not supporting a seat, not publicly supporting a seat, not publicly supporting a seat, not publicly supporting a ceasefire in gaza . supporting a ceasefire in gaza. but, but but the fact that the stance they've taken over gaza, the labour party has taken over gaza has fractured their support amongst muslim communities. we see george galloway's success in, of course, yes, was a product of that . and no doubt if product of that. and no doubt if there had been other by elections, it might have been seen elsewhere as well. and so in that sense, the whole thing has become much more part of this election campaign and is likely to remain part of this election campaign . the question election campaign. the question of support for hamas and gaza, i

think , is, is evidence of that. think, is, is evidence of that. but but is slightly separable because there's the fundamental question about about the compatibility, if you like, of the religious views with the way we structure society and the way we structure society and the way we do things and there's this particular issue which, you know, i mean, had it been, let's say had been a catholic country, that was and you'd had catholics campaigning, to try and have a ceasefire, nobody would have thought that was a strange thing to do . so i think that's to do. so i think that's slightly different. but what it has done is galvanise muslim society in this country into a political activism which previously wasn't as apparent. >> are you sort of. >> are you sort of. >> so that is a change that is also going to need to be managed in the future. >> so are you implying that we will never be the same after gaza for us than they were before? >> are you implying there is a sense of islamophobia in this country? >> no, i don't think that's what i was saying there might be, but

that isn't what i was saying. what i think i'm saying is that there is something profound and different here, which we're not used to, and we're going to have to find a way of working through it. and nobody really wants to talk publicly. >> this is the problem. election contest, isn't it, zoe? >> this is the problem. nobody wants to talk about it. because if you talk about it as as nigel farage, maybe didn't use the right terminology, and maybe anne—marie trevelyan, who also didn't do that, but we are frightened. we seem to be frightened. we seem to be frightened to talk about this in case we are accused of being racist. so why we're all tiptoeing around these issues. islamophobia is growing, anti—semitism is growing. we've seen some horrible incidents on our streets. we unless we talk about these things, we're never going to get around these issues. are we? >> no. it's important to talk about things. and it's but i think it's important to talk about things with the right voices in the room as well. so if we're talking about about islamophobia and we're talking about whether muslim people feel

they're being unfairly stigmatised, it would be, you know, it'd be great to have those people there to, to, to, to talk about it as well. same if we were talking about anti—semitism, same if we were talking about any other kind of, you know, women's rights as well. you'd want to have a woman in the room. absolutely so i find it slightly uncomfortable when we talk about this group as if it's a kind of homogenous group, and then no one's here to kind of actually kind of give the nuances of what it is like, what the lived experience of being muslim in the uk is like, and, you know, i think it is it's really complex. and obviously we've seen that, the war in gaza has really galvanised people here, not just muslim groups. there are plenty of people who look at what's happening particularly, you know, the scenes coming out of rafah today and they feel absolutely appalled that this is happening. and you know, i think we need to be really careful that we can also talk about that conflict as a conflict where, you know, thousands of people are dying, you know, on both sides. we've seen we've seen violence, without kind of equating it to just being a kind ofissue equating it to just being a kind of issue between muslims and

jews in this country, because that's just, you know, that's just not the case. and i think sometimes those issues get caught up, and sometimes they deliberately get caught up because people want to make political points and sow division. and i think you know, i think you're right. you know, all these things should be spoken about, but it's speaking about them with the right people in the room and with empathy and tolerance. >> the other thing i found slightly worrying, daniel, was we saw a labour candidate, today posing some standing for labour. i can't remember what area it was. forgive me, but with a palestinian flag in the background. now he's standing to be a labour mp in the in england. so why the palestinian flag? so this is such a political football now i didn't see that. >> but yeah i didn't see that. but i'm sure you're right. if you tell me it happened, the was what i said it was the case that labour could say muslim vote sewn up. don't have to worry about it. don't have to talk about it. don't have to talk about it. don't have to talk about it. the muslim vote is now very much in play. if you like. not necessarily between labour

and conservative, but between labour and alternative. >> yes , alternative political, >> yes, alternative political, streams , if you like. and it is streams, if you like. and it is very much in play. so people are going to be trying to capture that vote in an, in an aggressive sort of way. or if they're labour, they're going to be trying to bolster the support that they feel is their due because they've been entitled to it. they felt entitled to it in the past. so it doesn't surprise me that you're seeing this happening at all. and that's why i say post gaza . things are i say post gaza. things are never going to be the same. it is going to be different politically and different socially . and that's why one of socially. and that's why one of the reasons, at least when the elections are out of the way, is we need to talk about it seriously. and what it means for this country. and we haven't done that . done that. >> it doesn't fill you with hope for the future, does it? i must admit. i mean, it depends. >> i don't think it's on. >> i don't think it's on. >> i don't think it's hopeless. i think there are ways there will be ways of working this through, because the majority of

people who live in this country want to get on with their neighbour. and that's true of muslim people and non—muslim people. they want to get on with their neighbour. and i think there is a way of working it through and talking is important, but not hiding from the issues the whole time. and the issues the whole time. and the way we've been doing exactly i >> -- >> no -_ >> no good point there. right? okay, we're running out of time. unfortunately very important debate. remember to get in touch and let us know what you think on all these subjects as well, now we move on, should we be prescribing nature for loneliness, depression and, and loneliness, depression and, and loneliness and depression rather than actually medicating children? curious idea. much more of that coming up soon. don't go too far.

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tonight is live. peer in the house of lords. daniel moylan and broadcaster and journalist zoe greenwald. thank you very much. bank holiday monday. hope you have a wonderful time out there as well. now, i say out there as well. now, i say out there because this next subject includes a bit of out there and children not doing it. now children who are feeling lonely are set to be prescribed activities ranging from museum trips to fishing. and yet needlework in a pilot scheme designed to tackle worrying levels of social isolation. but do we need to stop medical waiting children wrapping them up in the cotton wall and prescribing fishing museum visits? i mean, i just think, why can't kids get out there and play why can't kids get out there and play in, you know, on their bikes and go and climb trees anymore? daniel. >> yeah, well, they're not allowed to. and i suppose if they go to museums, they'll have to wear little. hi vie. tabards. >> yeah. what is that about? >> yeah. what is that about? >> go in. crocodiles and they'll have to be a plan put in place beforehand for health and safety and all sorts of things like

that , but and all sorts of things like that, but just turn to the medicine. i deeply worry about the medication of children, often for conditions that are not physical and not easily identifiable, some of which have been invented in the last few years. a few years ago, i tried to find out. i couldn't get the figures. i tried to find out about adhd, who this disease, this condition that's been invented in the last 20 years or so. you know, who are the kids who are actually being medicated for adhd , are they predominantly for adhd, are they predominantly boys or predominantly girls ? are boys or predominantly girls? are they predominantly from ethnic minorities? are they predominantly white? i tried to get those figures. i had no success whatsoever because nobody keeps those figures centrally. but i mean, i really have my suspicions that a lot of behaviour, which actually is in a sense normal, is being treated as a medical medicalised. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and people are being given drugs for it. and i, i get deeply worried about it. that and this constant focus on this new thing called mental health,

which is nothing to do with mental illness, by the way, it's not the opposite. it's just mental. you know, my mental health is suffering because i'm slightly anxious. so when we discuss the at the top of the show, we discussed, you know, the, the sort of the national service. i think that this idea of isolation and community involvement really needs to spread a bit more through childhood, and i think they should be encouraged to do things out of doors, and they should be allowed periodically , should be allowed periodically, under supervision, to take some risks with life under supervision in a high vis vest gang climbing tree. >> but high vis vest, high vis vest. yeah. we're going to put some padding underneath just in case you fall off a tarpaulin round. >> yes. yeah. >> yes. yeah. >> trampoline round underneath it so that you'll be all right if you fall off. >> yeah. it's >> yeah. it's >> sorry i get this because we do it for adults, right? i mean, rather than prescribe our antidepressants, you know, you can go to your doctor for a mild anxiety and they will say, well, have you tried going to the gym and things like that? so i get that. but it's the language around this prescribing museum visits and gardening. have you ever tried to get a ten year old

to go to a museum and be interested? i mean, so what is going on? >> why do we need. that's true. >> why do we need. that's true. >> that's absolutely not true. and if you go to the science museum or the natural history museum or the natural history museum in a, in a half term holiday, they're absolutely packed with parents and ten year olds. >> are the kids want to be there? >> that's they probably do rather be out on the bike. i think there are museums that do attract children. well, they're more interactive now. >> you can you can make them interested. >> well, yeah. >> well, yeah. >> i mean, when i was ten, you didn't have the interactive stuff. you'd be dragged around and the teacher would go, look, there's a vase and you go, yes, a vase. that's lovely, isn't it? i'd rather be out on my bike, to be honest with you. but why are we wrapping children up in this cotton wool? >> well, i don't know if it. i don't know if it's just that i think there's a few things going on. i think, you know, we've seen a massive decrease in the number of youth programs, youth hubs >> you know, children used to be the national youth comes in, well, no, but children used to have have spaces where they could gather. >> now they don't really, you

know, local parks. they're not they're not well lit. they close at a certain time and there aren't spaces for children to go and play together. or when you get older going and, you know, chatting. cafes are very expensive. >> that's a way of putting it. >> that's a way of putting it. >> you know, cinemas are very expensive. all these places where children used to go and teenagers used to go. and i think this is actually a really goodidea think this is actually a really good idea because lots of children will go to the doctors when they're suffering the acute consequence of loneliness or mental health issues. they might end up at the doctors. and we know that the nhs is vastly overloaded. it's not got the resources to deal with all of this. social prescribing is a good thing. it's saying, hey, have you know, this can actually help you with your mental health connection can actually help you with your mental health. i don't think it's a case of writing a prescription of, you know, five fishing trips and then you'll feel better. i think it's almost another public health initiative to let people know you can treat these conditions with social activities, with with connection. it doesn't all have to be antidepressants or medical treatments as well. >> no, ijust treatments as well. >> no, i just have to say very quickly, daniel, we're running

out of time on this. where are the parents in this? why aren't the parents in this? why aren't the parents in this? why aren't the parents going? look, just go out and play with your mates. yeah what happened to parental responsibility? >> well, parental responsibility now is interpreted as keeping children as far away from stranger danger as as possible . stranger danger as as possible. >> oh, yeah. >> oh, yeah. >> and there's no stranger danger online. on social media. >> well, that is another story. >> well, that is another story. >> yeah, exactly . >> yeah, exactly. >> yeah, exactly. >> they're very anxious about parents are anxious about that too. to be fair. but, it is this constant anxiety that has come from a small number of cases . from a small number of cases. >> let kids be kids, get out there and play. kids play with other kids. that's what we need to do. >> and give up your seat on the tube to an adult. >> yeah. where did that come from? >> i don't know where that came from. my mother would have died of shame if i'd been occupying a seat on an adult with. >> before you start quoting any more 13th century poetry about giving up seats to elderly people, it wasn't that long. queues for the pub out of order pubuc queues for the pub out of order public services and drunken stag dos. now that's not a night. here are tourists ruining our beautiful honeypot villages over

the bank holiday weekend. do you stay away from the town centre on bank holiday or are you invading those beautiful villages? find out after the

break. welcome back. the. the conversation in the breaks are. we couldn't put them out on our own. we'd be taken off. right. this is dewbs& co with me. dawn neesom keeping me company until 7:00. tonight is live here in the house of lords. daniel moylan and broadcaster and zoe, journalist zoe griswold . now journalist zoe griswold. now pubs. it's the bank holiday weekend. there are long queues for them in some areas . out of for them in some areas. out of all the public services and drunk stag dos. no, it's not a night @gbnews these are tourists ruining our beautiful honeypot villages over the bank houday honeypot villages over the bank holiday week end now. i mean, you know, i full confession here. i live in tower hamlets, which is officially a no go

area. according to many politicians, so nobody wants to go there, which is fine by me . go there, which is fine by me. but your your mum lives somewhere rather beautiful. that suffers from this. doesn't she, zoe? >> she does? yeah. she lives in bourton on the water in gloucestershire. so it's a beautiful chocolate box. cotswold village which gets inundated with tourists because it is so beautiful and people want to come and soak up. it's really quintessential , you know, really quintessential, you know, engush really quintessential, you know, english countryside. and i have to say it can be really, really busy. >> you and your mum get annoyed when you, you know, you're trying to get to the local shop to buy a pint of milk and it's like elbowing your way through people going, oh, it's pretty. >> yeah. i mean, and it can be frustrating when your favourite, you know, you want to pop down and get a fish and chips and sit by the river, and everybody else has had the same idea, but, you know, it's a testament to how beautiful the place is. and i think also this is just becoming more and more common because people are deciding to daytrip in the uk and to have their holidays in the uk, because i think people are flying less, travelling abroad is more expensive, but but because these towns are so old, they're set up

and they're, you know, they're so small they can't actually accommodate the number of tourists that are coming in. so, i mean, it's i guess it's like the sort of thing that venice at the sort of thing that venice at the minute is dealing with, where it just can't deal with the sheer number of people who want to come and bask in its beauty. i mean, it says a lot about how lovely the place is, but i don't know what you do to combat it. >> venice has introduced a tourist charge, hasn't it? so maybe the people living, let's face it, they make a lot of money from tourism as well in some of these beautiful places. i mean, sort of like, you know, the bars, the shops, the fish and chip shops, the restaurants all make money out of tourists. so so in one way they do need them going there. but maybe, maybe a tourist tax would be a good idea. >> daniel. >> daniel. >> no rubbish. this is basically a class thing. nearly all our villages in in, in britain used to be essentially filled with working class people. there weren't rich people living in the villages. they were working in agriculture and things like that. and they've all been replaced basically by rich middle class people, often with second homes, who are now getting snooty because the working classes want to come back and have a look at the villages that they used to be able to live in. and i've got no

sympathy with them whatsoever. as for venice, as an example, i mean, what do you say to a city with the population of which the resident population of venice has collapsed from 100,000 people 25 years ago to under 50,000 people today? the city is totally emptying out and they're complaining about tourists , complaining about tourists, about having too many tourists. i mean, they have fundamentally got something wrong about the management of venice. if half the half the population has fled and they're complaining about tourists, get a, get a, get a, you know, work out what the city is there for. and the same the villagers. i have no especially these gloucestershire cotswold type places. may i say chipping norton if i can throw that in, i mean, you know, the natural, the people who used to live there are have been forced out effectively by the london middle classes, who are now getting snooty about the whole thing. i've got no time for them. >> it's a class war then. basically class war, basically. stop doing that. >> i mean, people want to go and

live in beautiful places, and if the locals want to sell their houses to them. you see this a lot in devon and cornwall, along the coast. it's like we've got too many people who own the second homes, but who's selling the homes to them? that's useless. >> yeah, i mean, it is a real problem. and you know, daniel's got an excellent point, which is that, you know, all these places have now become these kind of rich hotspots. and, you know, as you say, locals are getting quite annoyed about people wanting to come and bask in how beautiful the place they live in. i mean, it's not it doesn't just belong to you, you know, it's england is for everybody. everyone should come and see the all the history and all the beautiful parts of it. i mean, i do think, you know, there is there's obviously questions about whether these villages are set up for the number of cars or buses, but, you know, you can do a good day of town planning and figure that out. i think it's really important that we encourage people to go and visit these areas and planning, well, you know, you know, just town planning in these areas is designed entirely to stop anything at all, ever being built. >> i agree with, you know, that i absolutely agree with no new homes, no new homes for anybody, no new car parks . i completely

agree. >> just, you know, it's mad what's going on. >> that's what i'm saying. and i'm saying it is possible if people would just allow themselves to do it. as for the second home point, i mean, i think personally i think there should be regulations on people buying second homes and letting them out as holiday lets. you're pushing loads of people out of places where they were born and raised, and i think that's location. yeah, i think that's the end of our location here. >> unfortunately, we run out of time. daniel moylan and zoe greenwald, thank you so much. don't go too far up next is nigel farage with the lovely martin daubney. thanks for watching. i've been dawn neesom in for michelle. have a good weekend . weekend. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> good evening. welcome to our latest gb news weather from the met office. so there's been plenty of showers around for many of us today, and there's further rain expected over the next couple of days, all thanks to low pressure situated out towards the west of the uk,

slowly moving its way towards us over the next couple of days, bringing some heavy rain and some blustery showers. any showers that we have seen across eastern parts of scotland and northern england will gradually ease as we head through the rest of this evening, leaving some clear spells overnight here. but down towards the southwest. a very different picture. plenty of cloud around and some outbreaks of heavy rain moving in. temperatures here around 12 or 13 degrees, but definitely a little chillier under those clear skies. and quite a bright start for parts of scotland. and northern england through tuesday morning. however, down towards the southwest it will be a much greyer and damper picture to start on tuesday. those temperatures starting the day around 13 or 14 degrees and heavy and persistent rain continuing through much of tuesday morning, particularly across northern ireland and parts of wales. as i mentioned, a bit of a brighter start across parts of scotland, albeit a chilly start in places . however, chilly start in places. however, there will be some sunshine as we head through tuesday morning, but in towards the afternoon that area of rain continues to push its way northwards,

eventually reaching into parts of northern england and scotland, later two behind that area of rain. plenty of showers across northern ireland, wales and into southern and central parts of england too, again with some hail and thunder mixed in, some hail and thunder mixed in, so some heavy downpours likely another warm day. temperatures around 17 or 18 degrees, so around 17 or 18 degrees, so around about average for the time of year. although perhaps just a little cooler under that cloud and rain further north. wednesday does start a little brighter for most of us. plenty of sunny spells through the morning, but quite quickly as we head towards the afternoon, there'll be plenty of showers developing again. these heaviest across eastern parts of england and scotland, and there could be some hail and thunder mixed in further showers as well. on thursday, but there are some hints of high pressure returning towards the end of the week and in towards the weekend. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sperm answers of weather on

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