way. >> it's 9 pm. i'm patrick christys tonight . christys tonight. >> we're talking about muslims. here we are . here we are. >> was nigel farage absolutely spot on or downright offensive about the british muslim community. plus its up. what we do, i doubt it. >> we've got the energy. will tell you all about it. i search for my spark and i found this. >> rishi sunak is forced to defend his national service plan first thing. >> no, i'm not sending everyone off to join the army, but labour don't seem to want to justify lowering the voting age to 16 for many 16 year olds pay proper tax in this country. >> why are you so worked up about it .7 about it.7 >> angela rayner is absolutely copped. it >> if me resigning as an mp now would bring a ceasefire, no, i would bring a ceasefire, no, i would do it . i would bring a ceasefire, no, i would do it. i would do it.

>> and rishi sunak is auditioning to start up front for his beloved southampton football club. there he is. look at him. i mean, it's like maradona , isn't it, in a in maradona, isn't it, in a in a way. and can you guess where tory minister steve baker has decided to campaign from for this election? i will reveal all. oh yes, as well. and what's gone on here? >> stealing everywhere. this managed to happen. oh >> oh, my panel tonight. it's the top team of express columnist carol maloney. we've got broadcaster and journalist benjamin butterworth and political correspondent at the spectator. james heale. oh and the election isn't the only important race right now. kyrees wahaca . get ready, britain. here wahaca. get ready, britain. here we go .

we go. is it islamophobic to state facts? next . facts? next. >> it's 9:02. i'm theo chikomba in the gb newsroom. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu has described the strike, which reportedly killed 45 people in the southern gaza city of rafah , as a tragic city of rafah, as a tragic mishap. mr netanyahu says we are investigating the incident and will reach conclusions because this is our policy. he also told the israeli parliament that it was vital that israel took every precaution possible to protect civilians caught up in the fighting for gaza . in a separate fighting for gaza. in a separate development, israeli forces said they were investigating reports of an exchange of fire between israeli and egyptian soldiers close to the crossing. the idf said a shooting incident occurred on the egyptian border . occurred on the egyptian border. it's understood the incident is under review and discussions are

being held with the egyptians . being held with the egyptians. the prime minister has defended his plan to make all 18 year olds carry out national service. describing it as modern and bold. rishi sunak says the proposals will mean young people will get the skills and the opportunities they need, which will serve them well in life. he says it will make society more cohesive . cohesive. >> i believe this is the right thing to do because this is how we'll deliver a secure future for everyone and our country. we're not going to do that without taking bold action, and that's a type of leadership that i offer. and this modern form of national service will mean that young people get the skills and the opportunities they need, which is going to serve them very well in life. it's going to foster a culture of service, which is going to be incredibly powerful for making our society more cohesive and in a more uncertain and dangerous world. it's going to strengthen our country's security and resilience. so for all these reasons, i think this is absolutely the right thing to do. >> meanwhile, the labour leader has described the conservatives plans to reintroduce national

service as desperate. speaking after his first keynote speech of the campaign, sir keir starmer dismissed the prime minister's proposals. >> you've got desperate policies being made up on the hoof by the tory party and then the image of their party arguing about the policy they only announced in the last couple of days and that, in a way, is the choice at the election , a labour party the election, a labour party thatis the election, a labour party that is laser focused on the issues that really matter to people in saying we're going to fight for you and a conservative party that's out of road, out of ideas, driven by chaos and division, and that has a cost. a human cost. >> the royal navy's type 45 destroyer, hms duncan has been deployed to the red sea. the warship left portsmouth on monday and will replace its sister ship, hms diamond , which sister ship, hms diamond, which has been deployed in the region to deter houthi attacks since before christmas. the ministry of defence says. during its time

in the red sea, hms diamond has shot down nine drones and one missile launched by houthis from the coast of yemen at cargo ships . for the latest stories, ships. for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. slash alerts. now it's back to . patrick. >> the general election campaign is off to a flyer. nigel farage lit a fuse on sunday when he said this to sky news's trevor phillips. >> we have a growing number of young people in this country who do not subscribe to british values, in fact loathe much of what we stand for. so what do you do? >> who are we talking about there? >> oh, i think we see them on the streets of london every saturday. >> what do they look like? oh we're talking about what do they look like? are we talking about muslims? here we are. >> and i'm afraid i found some of the recent surveys saying that 46% of british muslims support hamas. are you sure you want to make the blanket

accusation that you've just made, that muslims are somehow less patriotic than other british people? >> because those people on on those demonstrations are british? >> did you watch the recent elections that took place up and down the country? >> we don't know that. and we don't know they support hamas. would you like just to revisit what you said at all? >> let's be clear there there is a growing population of people in this country, a lot of them very young, who have recently been voting for and electing candidates right up and down the country in inner cities who stand for a set of values that are completely not only don't subscribe to our values, but in many cases are totally against our values and so what nigel was quoting, there was a report from the henry jackson society that revealed that 52% of british muslims want to make it illegal to show a picture of the prophet muhammad, 32% of british muslims favour the implementation of shana favour the implementation of sharia law. almost half of

british muslims apparently feel more sympathy with hamas than israel. it was younger british muslims who were most likely to think that hamas carried out no atrocities on october the 7th. now, trevor phillips was doing a good impression of a man who was completely and utterly perplexed by this , and he carried on, by this, and he carried on, pretending to be shocked. >> he to immigration is integration. if you get integration, it works . what integration, it works. what we've done is and this this works on several levels, what we've done. >> i'm going to stop you there and i'm going to say two things. >> well, here's the difference. >> well, here's the difference. >> no, no, i'm going to tell you something about the difference. first of all, you're right, i come from that stock. but let us remember that that my stock, my ancestors for the best part of 7 or 800 years were muslims until they were forcibly converted to christians by slave owners. so when you talk about muslims as hostile to british values . no, hostile to british values. no, i've got to say, i don't really. let me finish what i'm going to

say. i don't really see the i don't really see how you arrive at that conclusion. >> well, the fact is that trevor phillips himself conducted an absolutely excellent report into the british muslim community, which revealed several things . which revealed several things. only 34% would inform the police if they thought somebody they knew was getting involved with people who support terrorism in syria , 52% do not believe that syria, 52% do not believe that homosexuality should be legal . homosexuality should be legal. in britain, 23% support the introduction of sharia law, 32% refused to condemn those who take part in violence against those who mock the prophet. 39% agree that wives should always obey their husbands, and 44% would not completely condemn those people who take part in stoning those who commit adultery. so mr phillips knows all of this stuff. i mean, in fact, trevor phillips was actually suspended from the labour party amid allegations of islamophobia because he made comments about british pakistani men sexually abusing girls. the refusal of some muslims to wear a poppy- refusal of some muslims to wear a poppy. and he said that some

muslims are, quote, different, although he went on to say that he thought that was admirable . i he thought that was admirable. i mean, he was, by the way, rightly, subsequently reinstated to the labour party. well, since that interview , several that interview, several prominent mps, including tory mp steve baker and labour's dawn butler, have condemned nigel's comments. baker called them ignorant and offensive. dawn butler just ignorant and offensive. dawn butlerjust said it was blatant butler just said it was blatant racism. well, it raised the question, doesn't it ? was what question, doesn't it? was what nigel said racist or was it? absolutely fair enough? let's get our thoughts . my panel this get our thoughts. my panel this evening i have got daily express columnist carole malone . i have columnist carole malone. i have got journalist and broadcaster benjamin butterworth and the political correspondent at the spectator, james hill . carole spectator, james hill. carole racist or. fair enough, i don't think it was racist or islamophobic, you know, never mind all the figures that you just quoted there about about the homosexuality not being legal in this country. there was also a warning that 46% of british muslims say that , we british muslims say that, we shouldn't have, homosexual teachers in this country either.

it's not acceptable. think about what? what i'm thinking about about the muslims that don't, adhere who don't want to adhere to british values. i'm not talking about the majority. i'm talking about the majority. i'm talking about the majority. i'm talking about a sizeable minority. we're talking about those communities where sharia law is practised , a law that law is practised, a law that completely disenfranchises women in this country. let's talk about the honour killing killings that go on in this country, which have increased 82% in the last five years. sorry on abuse has increased by 82% in the last five years. on a killing seven because we have between 12 and 15 a year, we have female genital mutilation still happening in this country. none of these things fit in with british values. they are totally against british values and most of them who women in some way. so for me it's to accuse him of islamophobia or being racist for pointing out that there are different views. i don't think it's just among the young particularly. i think it's among older muslim. you had a cleric on this program not too very

long ago who said it was it was justifying why it's okay if it meant to have sex with 13 year old girls. >> yeah, it was it was it was astonishing. well, one of the things, one of the things that i will say about that nigel farage, trevor phillips exchange is that i do think that if nigel had come with the fact that trevor phillips own report had published, then that probably would have helped him out a bit in that situation. and benjamin, are you , considering this to be are you, considering this to be to be racist or do you think that this is actually fair enough? and maybe for the first time, we've got a quote on, quote, mainstream british politician saying this stuff in the run up to an election. >> i think there are two different things here. one is that i think telling a group of people that they are othering them, that they are on the outside, that they don't have british values, does nothing to solve the problem of lack of integration. i find it odd that when we, you know, obviously their views, the views that some muslims hold on gay people are wrong. i clearly disagree with them. but it's also the case that only a week or two weeks ago, there was a poll that found

that well over a third of over 70 in this country believe that being gay is wrong. 70 in this country believe that being gay is wrong . and yet most being gay is wrong. and yet most of those are likely to be white and maybe christian. and nobody says that they lack british values. so i think sometimes it's rather unconstructive. >> and we would say that i mean, you're saying that people would not say, i think, i think the majority of people in this country would say that was not right. >> well, i mean, i'd be amazed. i'd be amazed if any politician went on a programme in a general election and said to those 70 year olds that you don't have british values because you think being gay is wrong, i bet you they wouldn't have that backbone. but let me make the other point, which is that there is a problem with extremism in islam in this country, and we have failed to stand up to those people. and one of the worst things about the fact that we fail to stand up to them is when, for example, you have people in batley or in birmingham that are lecturing teachers or lecturing politicians and police and telling them what to do, they are letting down all the other muslims that are moderate and trying to have their voices heard. >> all right, i'm just going to introduce a clip here. and this is the deputy leader of the labour party, angela rayner. i

believe that she's in ashton and she appears to be trying to appease a group of , of muslim appease a group of, of muslim voters who, as i understand it, were formerly labour voters, but may not be anymore . i'm very may not be anymore. i'm very intrigued to see what you all make of this . make of this. >> now, i know that people are angry about what's happening in the middle east. and i said, live on tv , and i say to this live on tv, and i say to this day, it may . resigning as an mp day, it may. resigning as an mp now would bring a ceasefire. i would do it. i would do it. the only last week the labour party were supporting the icc, the conservancies didn't support the icc . so with this general icc. so with this general election on that issue, we can't affect anything when we're not in government. and if labour gets into power, we will recognise palestine . recognise palestine. >> so she said quite a lot there, james, i'll bring you in here on this now. i mean, is

that just simping for votes? >> i think it shows perhaps the extent to which labour's concerned about the problem post gaza with certain sections of their kind of traditional core vote here ashton—under—lyne is where george galloway chose to launch his workers party, a campaign i think last week . campaign i think last week. angela rayner has a majority of just around 4000 or so. so what angela rhiannon was there saying, i think was something that the labour party has been trying to get across, which is that actually, you know, may have come late to a ceasefire, but we will support it within parliament. and i think it really shows the concern that labour has around traditional labour has around traditional labour voters who are muslim, who might have deserted the party post 7th of october. yeah. >> i wonder, though, carol, when you look at that, whether or not that's a little indication of what we might get under labour, which is, you know, the total appeasement of the quote unquote muslim vote. >> well, you know, angela rayner is all self—interest here because george galloway said he was going to put a candidate up against her that he had he had a candidate ready to go against her. so in her case, it's self—preservation. but, you know, you can't. we can't pretend, you know, ben alluded to that. we can't pretend there isn't a problem in this country with a sizeable minority of muslims who really do not like

what we stand for. you know, we have schools operating in this country, you know, in muslim schools where, you know , boys schools where, you know, boys and girls are segregated. we have we have muslim organisation that that support sex segregation and blasphemy laws thatis segregation and blasphemy laws that is not in tune with british values. and yet we don't attack them. we're not allowed to attack them. if that was happening in a christian community or a jewish community, it would be attacked . and it it would be attacked. and it isn't. and we're not allowed to criticise islam in the way other religions or criticise benjamin. >> what do you make of what we saw from angela rayner there? >> i mean, look, i don't i think the idea that labour is seriously threatened by muslims not continuing to vote labour is massively overstated because the muslim populations are heavily populated, heavily concentrated in about 40 constituencies which have large labour majorities. so there's a very small number that are likely to not be labour if they don't vote that. but i actually think the fact that past elections, 60 or 70% of british muslims vote labour shows that they are integrated in mainstream british society because the labour party has

been socially liberal for 25 years, and most muslims clearly know what they're voting for, and they vote for that party because they're willing to compromise on different things if they might not necessarily agree. i think that the fact that muslims vote labour is an endorsement of modern britain. there is also legitimate concerns about things like what we saw in the rochdale branch of the labour party there, what was going on with the comments that were made quite openly, which led to the suspension of the candidate back at the beginning of february and ali and i think that that shows perhaps that in certain areas, the labour party, there is concern about what's going on there. >> okay. >> okay. >> wasn't there a recent poll that said a massive percentage of muslims were deserting labour because of their stance over gaza? you might know the details of that more than me. >> well, i think there was some polling out at the end of last year about it. and i think that if you do talk to labour mps, they're certainly very concerned about that. >> yeah, but the west midlands may all election where labour quite surprisingly beat andy street. that is a very considerable muslim population and still the labour party was considerable. >> i agree with you. but considerable number of that population voted for ahmed yaqoob, who came third. yeah, well that's large and he's

standing in birmingham ladywood, which is, i believe, shabana mahmood's constituency , who mahmood's constituency, who initially, i think abstained from a ceasefire vote and there's a huge muslim population there. he is running with the campaign literature of him stood in front of a palestinian flag that i think for many people might be might be a concern. look, coming up, coming up, reform uk leader richard tice gives his exclusive take on the backlash facing nigel farage. does he back his man on what we've just been talking about there? find out shortly. plus i will show you the highlights from an institution of the great british summer. kyrees wahaca. but up next, keir starmer has branded it the teenage dad's army. but is there more to the tories national service plan than meets the eye? could it actually prove an inspired policy? former president of the birmingham young conservatives , birmingham young conservatives, harvey whitby, who get this, defected to the lib dems over this plan, goes head to head with former senior military intelligence officer philip ingram. that's next. and it's to not be

missed. welcome back to patrick christys tonight. coming up, we speak to reform uk leader richard tice . reform uk leader richard tice. but first, is national service a badidea but first, is national service a bad idea ? it's time for bad idea? it's time for tonight's head to head . so the tonight's head to head. so the prime minister took saturday off

the campaign trail to regroup, apparently. but that very evening, just two days after the defence minister insisted that there was no plans for compulsory national service , the compulsory national service, the government announced exactly that. they say that it will boost future career prospects for youngsters. but not everyone seems keen . government minister seems keen. government minister and former raf officer steve baker tweeted that the policy was developed by a political adviser or advisers and sprung on candidates, some of whom are relevant ministers. keir starmer is not a fan either, mocking sunak's plans as a teenage dad's army. >> the desperate idea that the tories are fleeing on the table of some sort of national service, which isn't thought through all the military leaders who've got experience, are saying it won't work. it'll take resource away from, our military, our defence. that's the last thing we need. the government's already hollowed out the army is smaller than since napoleonic times . so, you since napoleonic times. so, you know, in the end. and they're taking money from the lifting up fund to do it. i mean , i think

fund to do it. i mean, i think it's absolutely important in this election to focus on what is uppermost in people's minds, which is the cost of living crisis and the nhs. >> well, the gen z brigade are being derided on tiktok in clips like this . you can stop what we like this. you can stop what we do, i doubt it. >> we fought the energy. we'll tell you all about it. i search for my spark and i found this . for my spark and i found this. >> well, thankfully the prime minister has come out to reassure them. tiktok >> sorry to be breaking into your usual politics free feed, but i'm making a big announcement today and i've been told that a lot of you already have some views on it. so first thing, no, i'm not sending everyone off to join the army. what i am doing is proposing a bold new model of national service for 18 year olds. they'll be able to choose to spend 12 months in a full time military commission, or one weekend per month volunteering in roles within your local

community. >> so tonight i am asking, is national service actually a bad idea ? let me know your thoughts. idea? let me know your thoughts. go to gbnews.com/yoursay or tweet me @gbnews. and while you're there, make sure you go and vote in our poll. but first, going head to head on this. and vote in our poll. but first, going head to head on this . the going head to head on this. the former president of the birmingham young conservatives, harvey whitby, who resigned and switched to the liberal democrats over this, and former senior military intelligence officer philip ingram . look, officer philip ingram. look, both of you, thank you very, very much. harvey, i will start with you. look, i mean, you don't have to join the army. you can just deliver prescriptions to the elderly one weekend a month . what's so bad about that , month. what's so bad about that, it mainly the fact that you could already have a job at this point. you could already be working, and they just select you to drop everything and run to do whatever they tell you to do. >> okay? for britain, though . >> okay? for britain, though. >> okay? for britain, though. >> well, then again, they're not they're not earning any, any money. so it's not benefiting the economy in any real form .

the economy in any real form. >> okay, all right, philip, i'll just ask you about this. you are against national service as a whole, i think, but i think my understanding is you think this particular version of it might be all right. >> i am against national service as a whole because it would turn our professional military from being a professional fighting force into being a professional training organisation. and but this isn't, asking us to train every 18 year old to join the military. it's only 30,000. and in the last year we've trained 30,000 ukrainians to go to the front line without that impacting our professional capability. so that would help, and it will give those individuals skill sets again , individuals skill sets again, those individuals that need to, that will be volunteering in the community, it will give them skill sets and give them greater insight into what's making the community ticking. you know, the scepticism about forcing people out of jobs. i think the rules haven't been laid out yet in detail and therefore , if detail and therefore, if individuals are, in employment, there will be a degree of flexibility. but one weekend a

month is not going to be very, onerous in any way, shape or form. >> yeah. i mean, harvey, i do put that to you and with respect, giving your last answer, saying it's not going to benefit the economy. i wonder if you're fundamentally misunderstanding the second word of this, which is service, and that actually you might actually just be helping people to get things like prescriptions or indeed things like search and rescue. i would have thought that someone who was politically minded, like yourself, might be quite in favour of that. you don't care ? don't care? >> no, i do care. it'sjust if >> no, i do care. it's just if you if these people don't want to do it in the first place, they're not going to have the to will want to do it. it's going to be like a group of people who really don't want to be there doing jobs that people could do and get paid to do. >> yeah, but the problem is, harvey, that we've got 409,000 unemployed, 18 to 24 year olds. that was of january to march 2020 for 1.9 million of you are economically inactive. so this might actually be quite a good way of getting people off their backsides . teach them a few backsides. teach them a few skills, teach them a little bit of umph in their life. is that

not a particularly good idea ? not a particularly good idea? >> no, it can be. but again, i just don't think this government will be able to do it in a way which would be effective anyway. i feel like majority of people will be stuck doing jobs they don't really want to do, as opposed to the liberal democrats, which you've defected to. >> what's so good about them? >> what's so good about them? >> they offer a true sent away, and they offer policies which i feel are way more realistic than the conservatives offer. right how. >> now. >> like what? >> like what? >> like what? >> like they want to . they want >> like they want to. they want to have a fairer and a free government rather than a government rather than a government which is enforcing rules and stuff onto teenagers who don't really want to do it in the first place. >> any particular policies specifically, their, their policies on focusing on youth issues, mainly . i quite like issues, mainly. i quite like their views on how they want to get like everyone available for like doctors and stuff, rather than how the conservatives are just a bit bit here. say where i say, okay, philip, i'll throw it

back to you here. >> i suppose one of the big questions is resources. do we have enough resources to look after the 30,000 people a year who might decide that they actually want to take an active role in our armed forces , well, role in our armed forces, well, there need to be additional accommodation built or found . accommodation built or found. you know, there is additional accommodation around. it wouldn't be comfortable, but then if you're doing a degree of national service for a year, you can put up with a bit of discomfort. it would be good for the recruiting of the military , the recruiting of the military, because a lot of those would get a the chance of a taster of a job in the military without actually having to sign up for 3 or 5 years, and i think a lot of people would suddenly decide that they quite liked it. and there were real opportunities and stay on, and that would help fix some of the recruiting problems that there are. and going back into the volunteering side of society , you're going side of society, you're going out and getting skills like, you're working with saint john's ambulance, working with, the, the police cadets, working in the police cadets, working in the local communities and providing, support into local communities would give the those

disaffected youths who couldn't be bothered doing anything, as our other guest has just said, give give them some of that motivation or the proverbial kick up the backside that they need to get off their backsides and go out and start to be economically, contributing to the, to the country. and it would do them some longer term good.i would do them some longer term good. i think, exactly. look, harvey, i think it's a relevant question in all this. how economically active are you, my good man? what do you do? >> i've been working since i was 16. i've. i've had a job since i managed, since i was legally able to. and i feel like if i'd had a gap in between that, it would have really affected my ability to work and then progressed into university . progressed into university. >> the question i would say is, you don't really have to have a gap, though, do you? is the thing. i mean, you could voluntarily decide to join the armed forces. fine. that is a gap. okay. i appreciate that. but, you know, one weekend a month doing things like cleaning graffiti off the walls outside a local supermarket or, i don't know, litter picking or maybe

something a bit more proactive. yeah like, you know, paying a visit to the elderly at a care home or something along those lines. i mean, that's in a country where we don't appear at the moment anyway to have a huge amount of national pride. certainly amongst the youngsters. is that not something a sacrifice you would have been willing to make? >> i would be willing to do that anyway. it's more so the fact that we've this method that the conservatives are going down doing the whole 30,000 people in the army, you'll have 30,000 people who are either that's the best option for them, rather than going into the community service option, or they're they're still not going to be as enticing and as wanting to be there, like, people that would voluntarily join the military in the first place. >> i think philip affects morale. i think i think philip, the thing with this is, is that actually those 30,000 people would voluntarily be there . would voluntarily be there. that's the point, right? we're not we're not dragging people like harvey out of bed . we're like harvey out of bed. we're saying of the 700,000 or so

people who leave school every single year, 30,000 of those would presumably voluntarily join to do a year's military service. >> well, exactly . and it will >> well, exactly. and it will only take volunteers and then those volunteers, if there's more than 30,000, will be weeded down. as i say, it'll give people a taster with without having to commit right up front. there's 750,018 year olds around in the country, you said there's 400,000 in employment at the moment. one weekend a month for 12 months isn't going to be onerous whatsoever. that's in there. but but there's over 300,000, 18 year olds who are completely inactive, and they need to contribute something to society. >> all right, look, harvey, look, final one to you. i do worry whether or not you've maybe considered your future political career in all of this, possibly before it's even. i'm not looking started or just. not looking started orjust. really. well, you were you joined the liberal democrats . i joined the liberal democrats. i just wonder. yeah. is that is that a particularly good luck ? that a particularly good luck? so young in your career to be what some people might consider

a turncoat? >> well, i just don't. i don't think i can honestly look people in the eye and support a party that i, i can't look people in the eye and tell them to vote for a party, that i wouldn't vote for myself and have have of the birmingham young conservatives found a replacement in this bustling election period. >> have you locked them in the lurch? >> i wouldn't, i wouldn't no, i'm not i'm not bothered anymore. >> no okay i'm not in i'm not involved in anymore. not not anymore. no. okay. all right. both of you, thank you very, very much. there's a former president of the birmingham young conservatives, harvey whitby there, and former senior military intelligence officer philip ingram, right. okay. so i think it's time to , see if we've think it's time to, see if we've got a result of a poll here. who do you agree with? is rishi sunak plan for national service a good or bad idea? paul, on access. a good or bad idea? paul, on access . with two wars underway, access. with two wars underway, rishi sunak's plan for national service is a sign of where things may be headed. i mean, paul things may be headed. i mean, paul, there absolutely is our concern. yes, 100. michael, via your say, says i have said for years that bringing it back would be a good thing. if we had it. there would be less hoougans it. there would be less hooligans on our streets because it would have been knocked out of them by instilling discipline

and janis says, as i said last night, i i'd get them filling potholes. well, we can't have enough of that, janis. i'm bang in favour of it. look, your verdict is now in 55% of you think it's a good idea, whilst 45% of you are against it. well jul coming up. wes streeting whirlwind 180 on trans issues continues as he now says that people fighting for single—sex spaces are not bigots . but can spaces are not bigots. but can women actually trust labour to protect their rights? former editor of the sun, kelvin mackenzie, gives an unfiltered take on that, and the tories campaign chaos as the party battles mutiny, defections , a battles mutiny, defections, a candidate crisis and a minister jetting off on holiday . but jetting off on holiday. but first nigel farage. he's been condemned by some for speaking what he believes is the truth about some british muslims candidates right up and down the country , in inner cities who country, in inner cities who stand for a set of values that are completely not only don't subscribe to our values, but in many cases are totally against

our values. and but what does reform leader richard tice make of this media storm that is honorary president has sparked? ispeak

next. welcome back to patrick christys tonight. lively show. coming your way. still to come, kelvin mackenzie on whether we can actually trust labour to protect women's spaces. i've also got a debate between a revolutionary communist and someone who has

survived communism, so that should be enlightening. but first, it is time for reform. uk leader richard tice. yes, earlier today i caught up with mr tice as he continued his campaign trail on the isle of wight and grilled him on a range of topics, including nigel farage is much spoken about, comments on immigration reforms , comments on immigration reforms, quite poorly attended campaign launch and he hits back at the tories over their plans for national service. let's have a little look, shall we? i'm very pleased now to be joined by the leader of the reform party. it's richard tice. richard thank you so much for giving us your time today. i know that you are pounding the pavements on the campaign trail. i want to start by asking by a very controversial moment that happened over the weekend. it was nigel farage on trevor phillips. >> the key to wimereux creation is integration. if you get integration, it works. what we've done is and this, this works on several levels, what we've done. >> i'm going to stop you there and i'm going to say two things. >> well here's the difference. >> well here's the difference. >> no, no, i'm going to tell you

something about the difference. first of all, you're right, i come from that stock. but let us remember that my stock, my ancestors for the best part of 7 or 800 years were muslims until they were forcibly converted to christians by slave owners. let me ask you to put yourself in the shoes of a british muslim. and can you imagine how offensive that feels? so richard, what do you make of what nigel said there about the muslim community, patrick, it's not a controversial moment except to the rather woke lefties who are full of identity politics. may i remind you that the interviewer, one trevor phillips in 2016, said , muslims phillips in 2016, said, muslims are not like us and we should just accept they were never integrate. so i think it's a bit rich for trevor phillips and all those around him. all of a sudden to claim that nigel can't have a sensible discussion about the fact that the vast majority

of muslims in the uk and all over the world are great peace loving, hardworking , loving, hardworking, aspirational, community giving people. but there is an element and we have to be honest about it and have this discussion a meaningful element who don't share our culture and values. for example, we know that in a recent big survey by the henry jackson society, they found that 18 to 24 year olds at 47% of british 18 to 24 year olds didn't think that hamas carried out any atrocities of rape and murder. on october the 7th, 32% want sharia law imposed in the united kingdom, so it's fairly obvious that there's a significant element who don't share how big a part. richard. tolerance and compassion. >> yeah. how big a part of the reform election campaign is. this is the issue. the issue, the issue with, certain pockets

of the islamic community. >> it's not a part of our campaign. it's all it's just a statement of fact. in response to the question from trevor phillips about the tory party's absurd national service pledge, which is basically an attempt to steal reform voters, we've got we're campaigning on this is an immigration election because mass immigration, which is a complete betrayal of what the tories promised and which labour want to continue or increase, is adding unsustainable pressure on housing, particularly for young people. increasing housing rents by some 20% plus in just two years alone. that's unfair. it's increasing pressure on the health service, leading to longer ambulance delays , a&e longer ambulance delays, a&e waits, operational waiting lists. that's unfair , lists. that's unfair, particularly for the lowest paid, the poorest in society and it's depressing. british wages again, most unfair on the youngest people. so that's a key part of our campaign , as well as part of our campaign, as well as the fact that we're the only party with a serious, plan and plan and proposal to get to zero

waiting lists on health care in this country and then keep them there by investing more money. >> what is that plan, richard ? >> what is that plan, richard? just to emphasise, what can i ask what that plan is about? the zero waiting list. i think that's really important for people to hear. what is it really important? >> and we're the only plan. what you've got to do is you've got to, you simply use a lot more of the independent health care sector and capacity, which will mushroom and rafe , for example, mushroom and rafe, for example, if you can afford to pay a bit more, then actually we should encourage you not to use the nhs . use the independent sector will give you tax relief at 20% on health insurance or independent health pay. that will ease the pressure on the nhs. everyone's a winner. therefore you get faster and better outcomes and care on the nhs. likewise. actually, that's also what you should do, by the way, with school fees as opposed to this absurd plan of the labour party. thirdly, and critically, our economic plan is actually it's the plan to help the working class the most because reform uk is the party of the working class. you lift the income tax starting point to

£20,000 from 12,500 pounds. that's a net extra £30 a week. 7 million people, the lowest paid of the working class, paid zero income tax. everyone's a winner. >> you mentioned about this national service thing being an attempt to steal reform voters. i mean, it would work though, because the latest polling suggests that the highest group of people who have the most approval of this are reform voters, with 38% of them thinking that this national and community service thing from the tories is a good idea, do you wish you'd have come up with it? >> look, lots of people think they've come up with a good idea . that sounds nice on theory on papen . that sounds nice on theory on paper, until you dig into the realities of the practicalities of it. about a minute later, you realise there's only 75,000 people in the army now. it used to be 100,000 plus just a few years ago, before the tories diminished our defence capability. the idea that 75,000 people can all of a sudden look after 30,000 different people every year is completely for the birds. the military don't want

it. they want long term committed and volunteers to do an incredibly professional job. now, you might, might well say there's a completely different debate about having a some form of national civic contribution for youngsters . that's a whole for youngsters. that's a whole different thing. but this idea that you can sort of dress tory, tory sort of voters who've defected to reform and tempt them back by pledging another thing that we know is never going to happen because the tories never do anything they actually say they're going to do, like reduce immigration. it's for the birds. and our voters will see it for what it is . it's a con voters will see it for what it is. it's a con trick. it's a nonsense. and people will just ignore it. >> okay, now your actual seat that you're standing in is boston and skegness. now that is the brexit voting capital of britain. i believe it is also one of the areas that has had the highest level of net, potentially low skilled immigration as well. i've been there myself. i did a show from

there myself. i did a show from there actually, our net migration special a year or so ago. i can't help but noticing that apparently there were about 19 people at your campaign launch there. if you can't win there, it does beg the question where on earth could reform win ? where on earth could reform win? >> absolute nonsense patrick. i've had so much support there. that was just one small part of a very good day. just going down the high street in skegness. huge support and recognition . huge support and recognition. we've got a cracking chance of winning there and in other seats. lee anderson is going to win his seat. we're going to win seats very simply because millions and millions of people are going to vote for us. and here's the point what the good constituents of boston and skegness realise is that their wages have been depressed by mass low skilled immigration from overseas. that's why people are so frustrated with a ramona mp who's done nothing for the seat , voted for mp who's done nothing for the seat, voted for all of mp who's done nothing for the seat , voted for all of these seat, voted for all of these issues from mass immigration to wokeism to trans ideology to net zero. people don't want it and they've had enough of it, and

they're going to vote against him. they're going to vote for me. patrick, i've absolutely i'm very confident about that. >> well, you can't you can't knock his confidence . that's knock his confidence. that's richard tice. look, thank you very much for joining richard tice. look, thank you very much forjoining us, richard. and i do hope to chat to you again very, very soon. thatis to you again very, very soon. that is the leader of reform uk. there richard tice. thank you . there richard tice. thank you. right. coming up service or suffrage. the tories and labour set out their vision for the uif. >> if you're 16 and 17 you can start a family and i think you're entitled to have a say on who the government of the day is. >> this modern form of national service will mean that young people get the skills and the opportunities they need, which is going to serve them very well in life. >> my panel i'm going to have a chat about what policies best for britain, plus what's going on here, because. kyrees watch out i but first wes streeting out! but first wes streeting performs another screeching u—turn on trans and the tories suffer an embarrassing defection to reform . what does kelvin to reform. what does kelvin mackenzie make of the state of our countries to leading

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next. coming up. we all know that labour wants to give 16 year olds the vote. and the tories have pledged to reintroduce national service. but which policy is best for britain? slash more mental, but first, labour's wes streeting has admitted that he should have done more to defend women who voiced concerns about trans issues when he worked at the controversial charity stonewall and at the national union of students before entering politics. speaking at a literature and arts festival over the weekend, streeting said i think it's a fair challenge and fair criticism to say that gender critical feminists and women who raised concerns about women's only spaces or erasure from nhs documents were written off as bigots and people shut them down. he goes to on say that that was wrong. his admissions come just days after it was revealed that labour wants to make it easier to change gender, though , and it change gender, though, and it has left people scratching their heads. i'm joined now by the former editor of the sun, kelvin

mackenzie kelvin. he's wes streeting performing an epic reverse ferret. >> here he is indeed. and there will be lots of this, right? lots of this. because when he gets to when they will get to power, they'll say the complete opposite. but the truth about the matter is it would be very nice to think that all politicians could say when they had had one position. actually, it was complete rubbish because i am now seeking your vote and actually your vote is very hostile to the trans position and very much in favour of women saying we want safe spaces. now he's saying we should have had safe spaces. it is absolutely ridiculous. i don't know whether this is just a labour thing or, you know, or is it somebody like davey now saying about mr bates? oh a great man. we should really give him the money? or is it about conservative politicians at all? is there something about politicians where they won't actually say what they think until somebody points out, well, that's not right . the votes that's not right. the votes aren't going for you. and in

which case you then say, oh, it's the complete opposite. thanks very much . thanks very much. >> well, it's something to consider for, i would argue, especially women at the general election. is labour simultaneously saying that they protect women or that they value women's spaces, whilst also pushing a policy that would essentially lead to more men been able to access those women's spaces. but but kelvin , women's spaces. but but kelvin, i'll shift it on now, because there's yet another sign that there's yet another sign that the conservative party's election campaign is growing more chaotic by the day. it's emerged that the party still needs to find about 150 candidates to stand in the election. that's the equivalent of selecting a candidate every 100 minutes for the next 12 days. the party's candidate crisis has been worsened by the ever growing list of mps standing down. alok sharma is the latest to announce his seat. outgoing tory mp lucy allan was suspended from the party she endorsed reform today and, speaking to gb news earlier, former tory minister michael portillo had some strong words for those mps who are looking to desert him as a parliament got

elected because they have, constituent associations that have worked very hard to them and given them tremendous loyalty. >> i think it is the most profound discourtesy to give up your seat when the election is announced. if you want to leave, you should. >> we do also for what it's worth, have steve baker, the tory mp as well, who has decided to campaign on from greece. yeah, that's right . to campaign on from greece. yeah, that's right. i mean what's going on here calvin? it's chaos. well i honestly i blame sunak in the first instance he springs july the 4th on everybody, including his own side. >> they feel very irritable . >> they feel very irritable. loads of people are heading for the door. personally, i, i'm pleased a number of them are going to be fair, but the whole thing doesn't seem to have a core to it, to the point where conservative central office are now telling mps get out and campaign and the mps are saying,

actually, if you think i'm going to knock on the door and be told to knock on the door and be told to bugger off by by a whole load of people in a high street, you're, you're, you're, you're smoking something . my bet, smoking something. my bet, though, is that strangely, come polling day, it won't be a 20 or 25% lead for the labour party. i think if, if, if, if they managed to basically get their act slightly together. and i like your line about trying to appeal to the women to say if you want safe spaces, you vote tory. if you want to have a chap next to you in the loo, then then you should go labour right ? then you should go labour right? just do it like that. that would be a great campaign line. if they could get something which had a kind of a kind of surge of energy, i think that they could get down to literally single figures. yeah. as the lead, i don't expect them to win. >> steve baker has got a majority of about 5000. he's decided that because rishi sunak told him to book the holidays, he's gone to greece and will be campaigning for. is it wickham? i think it's wickham from greece

which says it all. look, you were the former editor of the sun when it came to elections. the sun actually swung some elections very quickly. what kind of front page do you think you'd be running on the eve of the election? >> well, i think right now it's. it's more like rishi on the rack . but, you know, if, for instance, they get a following breeze , you know, starmer breeze, you know, starmer stuffed or in the end, the thing i really, really hope that it kingston that the voters dump davey kick him out. he wouldn't see mr bates tell your friends. >> all right. well next house labouris >> all right. well next house labour is announcing that plan for 16 year olds to vote. and the tories want to send them off to war in a way ? not quite. are to war in a way? not quite. are we having a little chat about all of that and a revolutionary communist debate? someone who survived communism? what's not to love? >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> good evening. welcome to your latest gb news. weather from the met office. so there's been plenty of showers around for

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we head through tuesday morning, but in towards the afternoon that area of rain continues to push its way northwards, eventually reaching into parts of northern england and scotland, later two behind that area of rain. plenty of showers across northern ireland, wales and into southern and central parts of england too, again with some hail and thunder mixed in, some hail and thunder mixed in, so some heavy downpours likely another warm day. temperatures around 17 or 18 degrees, so around 17 or 18 degrees, so around about average for the time of year. although perhaps just a little cooler under that cloud and rain further north. wednesday does start a little brighter for most of us. plenty of sunny spells through the morning, but quite quickly as we head towards the afternoon, there'll be plenty of showers developing again , these heaviest developing again, these heaviest across eastern parts of england and scotland, and there could be some hail and thunder mixed in further showers as well. on thursday, but there are some hints of high pressure returning towards the end of the week and in towards the weekend. >> looks like things

gb news. >> it's 10 pm. i'm patrick christys tonight . picks up what christys tonight. picks up what we do. >> i doubt it. we the energy will tell you all about it. i for search my spark, and i found this rishi sunak force to defend national service first thing. >> no, i'm not sending everyone off to join the army and labour. >> don't bother trying to defend letting kids vote. how many 16 year olds pay proper tax in this country ? country? >> why are you so worked up about it ? about it? >> also, do you remember this ? >> also, do you remember this? >> also, do you remember this? >> skydiving, motorcycling, fast catamaran sailing and their wide range of things? i'll do well. >> can you guess where that man steve baker has decided to go to campaign? i will tell you all a little bit later on, and i'm entirely opposed to the capital system and the horrors that it

produces , as i've got a big produces, as i've got a big debate, a revolutionary communist, not her, versus someone who has actually lived through communism. plus, angela rayneris through communism. plus, angela rayner is really struggling it me resigning as an mp now would bnng me resigning as an mp now would bring the ceasefire. >> no , i would do it. i would do >> no, i would do it. i would do it . it. >> and rishi sunak election balls up continues there. he is like a vintage maradona . oh like a vintage maradona. oh great. now it's a hard watch. also what's this i'm feeling everywhere? >> this managed to happen. oh >> this managed to happen. oh >> yeah, i'll tell you. what's all that about. plus, on my panel this evening, it's express columnist carole malone, broadcaster and journalist benjamin butterworth. and the spectator's political bloodhound is james heale. spectator's political bloodhound is james heale . oh, and doesn't is james heale. oh, and doesn't this make you proud to be . this make you proud to be. british? guys, watch out i get british? guys, watch out! get ready, britain. here we go .

ready, britain. here we go. what is more, mad kids voting or national service . next? national service. next? >> it's 10:02. national service. next? >> it's10:02. i'm national service. next? >> it's 10:02. i'm theo national service. next? >> it's10:02. i'm theo chikomba in the gb newsroom. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu has described the strike, which reportedly killed 45 people in the southern gaza. gazan city of rafah, as a tragic mishap. mr netanyahu says we are investigating the incident and will reach conclusions because this is our policy. he also told the israeli parliament it was vital that every that israel took every precaution possible took every precaution possible to protect civilians caught up in the fighting for gaza. in a separate development , israeli separate development, israeli forces said they were investigating reports of an exchange of fire between israeli and egyptian soldiers close to

the crossing. the idf said a shooting incident occurred on the egyptian border. it's understood the incident is under review and discussions are being held with the egyptians . the held with the egyptians. the prime minister has defended his plan to make all 18 year olds carry out national service , carry out national service, describing it as a modern and bold rishi sunak says the proposals will mean young people will get the skills and the opportunities they need, which will serve them well in life. he says it will make society more cohesive. >> i believe this is the right thing to do because this is how we'll deliver a secure future for everyone and our country. we're not going to do that without taking bold action, and that's a type of leadership that i offer. and this modern form of national service will mean that young people get the skills and the opportunities they need , the opportunities they need, which is going to serve them very well in life. it's going to foster a culture of service, which is going to be incredibly powerful for making our society more cohesive and in a more uncertain and dangerous world. it's going to strengthen our

country's security and resilience . so for all these resilience. so for all these reasons, i think this is absolutely the right thing to do. >> meanwhile, the labour leader has described the conservatives plan to reintroduce national service as desperate. speaking after his first keynote speech of the campaign, sir keir starmer dismissed the prime minister's proposals. >> you've got desperate policies being made up on the hoof by the tory party and then the image of their party arguing about the policy they only announced in the last couple of days and that, in a way, is the choice at the election , a labour party the election, a labour party thatis the election, a labour party that is laser focused on the issues that really matter to people in saying we're going to fight for you and a conservative party that's out of road, out of ideas, driven by chaos and division. and that has a cost, a human cost . human cost. >> the royal navy's type 45 destroyer, hms duncan has been deployed to the red sea. the warship left portsmouth on

monday and will replace its sister ship, hms diamond, which has been deployed in the region to deter houthi attacks since before christmas, the ministry of defence say during its time in the red sea. hms diamond has shot down nine drones and one missile launched by houthi attacks from the coast of yemen attacks from the coast of yemen at cargo ships. for attacks from the coast of yemen at cargo ships . for the latest at cargo ships. for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gb news. slash alerts. now it's back to . patrick. back to. patrick. >> all right, welcome along. so there are two policies which appear to have been drawn up on the back of a fag packet votes for kids and national community service. both of these policies will change britain forever. and you are confronted with the choice of which one you would rather live with. so labour wants 16 year olds to get the vote. the main arguments for this seem to be 16 year olds pay tax and they can fight for

britain in the armed forces, so they should be able to vote. keir starmer has been saying this stuff for a while can have babies, they can work, they can join the army. >> so there are big things you can do at 16 and 17. and again, it's not such an outlandish idea in in wales. it already happens in in wales. it already happens in scotland it already happens. so again, we're looking at, you know, voting. >> the problem with that is that vanishingly few 16 year olds will actually pay proper tax. how many of them do you know who earn more than 12,500 pounds a yean earn more than 12,500 pounds a year, and they can't fight and die for britain. they're not allowed to enlist in the army without parental consent, and they can't be deployed on active duty . for people on the right, duty. for people on the right, the concern is that 16 year olds are likely to be more left wing and therefore allowing them to vote could fundamentally change the landscape of british politics forever and would load the dice in labour's favour. i did put this to labour's shadow paymaster general, jonathan ashworth. i can't help but wonder if he was trying to

gaslight us a little bit by claiming this was no big deal. how many? 16 year olds pay proper tax in this country ? proper tax in this country? >> why are you so worked up about it? >> oh, here we go. no i'm not. i'm asking you to justify. i'm asking you to justify something. no, hang on. that could that could seriously , seriously shape could seriously, seriously shape and change forever . the future and change forever. the future of british politics. so and then you've got rishi sunak's national service initiative. well, we heard mr sunak was taking saturday off to try to regroup after a tough start to his campaign. then on saturday night, wollop national service for all 18 year olds. but on thursday, defence minister andrew murrison said that there were no plans for national service and that it would be a bad idea. service and that it would be a badidea.the service and that it would be a bad idea. the policy was absolutely torn to shreds by young people. >> they're going to do what's going to happen. i'm going to shoot me. i doubt it . going to happen. i'm going to shoot me. i doubt it. i'd have to catch me first. i'm like whippet. >> some of you may die, but it's

a sacrifice i am willing to make . we're going to do it anyway. >> we're going to do it anyway. we're going to do it anyway . we're going to do it anyway. surprise, surprise, surprise . by surprise, surprise, surprise. by unrwa that mr sunak had to come out and re explain it. >> tiktok. sorry to be breaking into your usual politics free feed, but i'm making a big announcement today and i've been told that a lot of you already have some views on it. so first thing, no, i'm not sending everyone off to join the army. what i am doing is proposing a bold new model of national service for 18 year olds. they'll be able to choose to spend 12 months in a full time military commission , or one military commission, or one weekend per month volunteering in roles within your local community. >> there has been huge confusion over whether or not this will work logistically. who would be exempt if we can afford it and if the parents of those who refuse to take part get fined ,

refuse to take part get fined, even though presumably their children are now fully grown adults . so how can you children are now fully grown adults. so how can you find the pat anyway? anyway, on july the 4th you are going to have to choose. 4th you are going to have to choose . do you want 16 year olds choose. do you want 16 year olds to vote, or do you want 18 year olds to get military experience? or do community service? let's get the thoughts on my panel. it's daily express columnist carole malone. i have also got journalist and broadcaster benjamin butterworth and political correspondent for the spectator , james heale carole spectator, james heale carole votes for kids or bits of military service and delivering prescriptions to old people. well, i mean, i think the starmer thing that, you know, labour have been talking about this for years, you know, this is this is cynical, anti—democratic move. >> and it's designed in this case to get them elected for a second time. >> do you think that's what it is just to emphasise on that then do you think this is totally shameless vote rigging? >> i think it's a shameless vote rigging scheme. and i think, you know, the people who are always calling for 16 year olds to vote tend to be 48 year old politicians, and if they're not, then they, their guardian

readers or the old codgers in the house of lords. so it's not it's not the kids themselves that are out there screaming about the fact they're being disenfranchised. it's actually older politicians who want to use them and their votes as a cynical ploy to win votes. so i think you had it. you had a young guy on on the programme before this. i think we shouldn't talk about programmes that aren't yours. but he just said, have you all guys forgotten what it's like to be 60? we're not interested in politics. we don't want to vote. well, no, he thinks there will be no take up. and i think that's absolutely no. >> the reason i disagree with that. whilst i respect your view, karl, is that i think the schools will they'll put many buses on. so you'll see it polling day. there'll be many buses at the school. all right kids, we're not going to tell you how to vote, but make sure you how to vote, but make sure you get in the get in the truck and just let's just remind you what the tories would do to you, you know, that kind of stuff. but, benjamin, do you think this is shameless vote rigging from the labour party? >> well, i think if anything cynical, it's saying that extending the franchise shouldn't happen because of how they might vote. that is the exact argument that was used

against the suffragettes who wanted to let people like carole vote. so, you know , people like vote. so, you know, people like carole women. >> do you mean women? i was just going to say women. >> i've worked out what one is. >> i've worked out what one is. >> and yes, it's good and it's and that was the argument that they used to stop women voting. >> so i don't think that's a good idea. >> do you really think 16 year olds are politically when i'm not talking about the odd, you know, weird genius who was interested in politics since the age of ten? i'm talking about 16 year olds generally. do you think they're politically aware, and do you think they care? >> i think two things. i think one is that if you can have a child and that's the ultimate responsibility a person can take on, then you ought to have. the state has a big impact on your life. so you also, at 16, at 16 you can't join the army. >> you can't get married, join the army. >> well, you can't fight, but you can join. >> you make tea for the lads who go out and do the heavy lifting. >> so yeah, so but you're allowed to vote and you know, if you can't pay taxes, why should you can't pay taxes, why should you have a say in the distribution of them? but can i say one other thing, which is that most 16 year olds aren't in full time employment? >> i know that the evidence says that people that vote in the

first election are eligible are far more likely to vote throughout. so i think having 16 year olds who are in full time education or training would be great for democracy. >> james, as our resident weird genius who was interested in politics from the age of ten. yes, attacked . let's shift this yes, attacked. let's shift this over to the tories now. and there is, i think, quite a credible argument to be made for the idea that terrifying the bejesus out of a load of 18 year olds, that you might end up sending them off to war, and their parents, who are dare i say, more likely to vote. it might not be a great thing. >> yeah. i mean, i think that i think we need a big contract here, right? you know, the thing is, look, if we're going to put people on, you know, tuition fees, for instance, maybe there can be some model where they do some national service and term for a tuition fee reduction, perhaps. i think the big conversation, it used to be said about keir starmer, you didn't know what a woman was. i think nowadays we don't know what a child is, which is that, you know, you see, last week in the house of commons, kim leadbeater had a bill before the house of commons to make graduated driving licences until thing until people were 25 years old. now they're trying the same time reduce the voting age from 18 to

16. so i think we need a bigger conversation. at what age do we have rights and responsibilities? bear in mind the same labour party and the tories, of course, who also are saying that, you know, you have to ban cigarettes for anyone born after 2009. i think we're really confused about what actually means to be an adult, what kind of responsibilities we start putting them on. and i think i'm just saying if we have voting age reduced to 16, we ought to talk about some of the responsibilities that come with that too. >> well, yeah. yeah, indeed. and thatis >> well, yeah. yeah, indeed. and that is one of the things, i mean, the labor party are, are against 16 year olds being able to look at naughty websites, but they would be they would be mentally capable of going out and voting of this country. >> and i think that, you know, when sunak i mean, he made a pig's when sunak i mean, he made a pig's ear of trying to, you know, putting this policy in the first place. but when you, when you drill down, i mean, the kids i read about today in various papers, they think there's something to be from this. something to be got from this. you know, this is they're talking about letting them explore fire and rescue service. you know, you know, cyber defence, logistics, all that stuff, i think would be stuff, which i think would be very interesting and, you very interesting kids. and, you know, are now know, young people today are now cut from their cut off from from their communities, the world by communities, from the world by social by being on the social media, by being on the headphones and on the screens all day. this will give them an idea how the world works, how communities work, how give communities work, how to give something back. they're talking about having to work with about them having to work with the and lonely people. the elderly and lonely people. this a great thing. this

this is a great thing. this helps them connect to their community. >> have you tried? if you want them to connect to the community, you know young people sort of as they get into adult life, why don't you let them be able to you know, get a job that's secure and pays enough to get on the housing ladder? that's the kind of thing that's the kind of thing that young people , as they grow up, if they people, as they grow up, if they have that kind of opportunity, would make them invest more in society better than the thing in pret, or doing nothing at all. >> this is much better for them. and what do you think's going to happen? >> it is. >> it is. >> what do you think's going to happen? if we have a war, there's going to be there's going to be conscription anyway. whatever happens, right . whatever happens, right. >> but we're not preparing for a war. so that's a quite different scenario. and there are 800,000 people in this age bracket, and only 30,000 military cases proposed. but let me say this . proposed. but let me say this. this has got nothing to do with young people and everything to do with much older people, because the polling says it's reform supporting former tories who like this idea. reform supporting former tories who like this idea . so on that who like this idea. so on that and right on cue, right on cue , and right on cue, right on cue, right on cue. >> here is a poll carried out by jl partners between the second and the 5th of may. so the

question would you support or oppose compulsory military service for young people ? service for young people? overall support was 42% oppose. it was 34% net support among the age groups. here we go . so 18 to age groups. here we go. so 18 to 34 year olds, minus three , 35 to 34 year olds, minus three, 35 to 49, minus five, 50 to 64 year olds, plus 14 over 65 plus 26. now among the political parties, 2019 conservative voters plus 30 overall 2019 labour voters minus seven overall reform uk supporters plus 38. i mean the reality is the reality is, james, that this is what we've got to go off. this is actually a relatively popular thing . a relatively popular thing. >> yeah. the question is, of course, why didn't the tories do more with it sooner really. and of course, when he was chancellor, rishi sunak did cut the funding for the national citizenship scheme, which was cameron's attempt to kind of create a peacetime equivalent of this , i think the question is, this, i think the question is, of course, we need a bigger conversation about kind of if we're going to expect young

people to do more for the elderly, what are we going to get in return in terms of giving them, having the start up for life and things like housing, things like tuition fees, for instance. so i think the question is, of course, is that, you know, putting this in an election time is a very difficult thing. so we've got six weeks explain the policy six weeks to explain the policy right. >> look, quickly, is more >> look, quickly, what is more of a vote winner ? i'll just go of a vote winner? i'll just go back. i'll go back down though, because these are two big policies. i appreciate, by the way, that i genuinely think both of them have been drawn up on the back of a fag packet with no real thought about their practical implication, but they're happening. okay, so won't you go and vote on july the 4th? this is part of what you're voting for. which policy do you think is better? >> i think national service has more to commend it as a whole than 16 to 18 year olds. and i said that even when i was 16, i didn't want to vote. and i was one of those freaks you talked about. >> i didn't say freak. okay. what do you think? >> honestly, in your heart of hearts, i would to love vote at 16, but i don't think either of them are things that people should vote on. i think they're all both about creating a conversation to distract from the lack of ideas. on the substantial question. yeah, i agree with that to a point. >> i think. >> i think. >> go on, carol, i think wishes would come through with more people. and i think what starmer is doing is just totally opportunistic for the for the

labour party. >> interesting . i mean, look, >> interesting. i mean, look, jonathan ashworth before there's a longer clip of that interview, by the way. but my general impression of it, he's trying to kind of gaslight us a little bit, i think by saying, well, it's not a big deal. we're getting worked up about. i mean, it is it is a fundamental change to the british voting. >> and on the proof, it's not a big deal. it's the fact you've forgotten that in scotland and wales, 16 year olds already have the vote forgotten. >> it's just it's just not a thing here. >> yeah, but the ceiling of democracy didn't collapse in because 16 year olds in wales are voting. did it? >> fair enough. well you've got five, five in scotland the vote. the population is about 5.5 million. so of the 16 it's not going to make any difference . going to make any difference. they're for 16 year olds voting okay. >> now coming up coming up coming up rachel reeves has pledged this is another big dividing line at the election . dividing line at the election. this she's pledged no national insurance or income tax increases. but do you believe her? plus, rishi sunak still desperately trying to prove that he's a right winger. yeah you see what we did there? stick to politics. i'd say more of that when i bring you the very first of tomorrow's front pages. but next, this is going to be good.

i think . do you remember this i think. do you remember this fiery communist? >> i'm entirely opposed to the capital system and the horrors that it produces. >> well, the young lady there taking on suella braverman is fiona lally. now she's standing for the revolutionary communist party in stratford and bow . but party in stratford and bow. but what is her party's vision for britain? so next i've got an unmissable debate. it is a revolutionary communist versus someone who actually lived through communism in romania. i think it might be worth a watch

welcome back to patrick christys . tonight, all of tomorrow's newspaper front pages are coming up very, very soon. but first, the revolutionary communist party have announced that they will be standing candidates at the election on july the 4th. and you might recognise one of them . them. >> hi, everyone. i'm really excited to announce that i'm going to be standing in the general election, and i'm doing so because the entire political establishment, from the tories to labour, are completely out of touch on the question of palestine so that was fiona, who is the communist who joined me on this show just weeks ago and took former home secretary suella braverman to task , too. suella braverman to task, too. i don't want to talk to any war, criminal capitalism produces war and produces imperialism, which fundamentally has been driving everything that has happened over the last 76 years. it isn't just about the last seven months or anything like this. i'm

entirely opposed to the capitalist system and the horrors that it produces across the world in many different places . places. >> so as we apparently experience a resurgence of communism in the form of the revolutionary communist party would communism be good for britain? well, i'm joined now by a member of the international secretariat of the revolutionary communist international. it's fred weston and cornel oprea , fred weston and cornel oprea, who is a british romanian professional pianist who experienced life under a communist regime in romania. fred i will start with you. i mean, it strikes me that communism has has failed everywhere and has been responsible for between about 94 and 100 million deaths. why would we want that in britain and why would we want it? >> indeed , nobody would want >> indeed, nobody would want what you just described , what is what you just described, what is communism? that's the point. what is failed in eastern europe is not communism , i.e. it's not is not communism, i.e. it's not a an economy which is run by the

working class democratically , working class democratically, factories under workers control, with, full democratic rights for workers to express their opinions . it workers to express their opinions. it was a bureaucratic regime that that collapsed , i'm regime that that collapsed, i'm a revolutionary communist, a member of the revolutionary communist international, which will soon be founded as an international organisation. and what we're fighting for is for the working class to be in power for the working class through its organisations , to have its organisations, to have control over the economy, to have control over the big corporations so that they're not used for the profit of the few, but they're run for the good of society . like for instance, the society. like for instance, the water companies, the gas, the electricity vie the railways. they should all be renationalised. >> i'll come, i'll come back. i'll come back to you, you've you've lived under. yes, i did communism. >> yes. what was it like for you, i would say awful hell

horror, as fred has mentioned, being, everything in the hands of the people or a few, actually, that happened , just actually, that happened, just probably, in theory , because probably, in theory, because it's not in the in the hands of the people. it's in the hands of the people. it's in the hands of the elite and the communist party people will be just and they've been suppressed under communism, and they've just been enslaved . it's an enslaved country. >> that's why borders are closed. they can't leave towards the end. >> 100 romanians per night were >>100 romanians per night were trying to escape the country, and they were actually caught, put in prison for 3 to 5 years, shot dead or or they even didn't make it to cross the danube or their cemeteries around the country . so that goes to show country. so that goes to show the communism how well it works. >> yeah. and fred, what would be different now? because i mean,

look, with respect, you know , look, with respect, you know, chairman mao's sitting up in his grave at the moment wanting to know why it would be different in britain under fred weston. so why would it be different under you? >> well, i don't think it would be under me, it would be under, a system where the workers would be empowered through their organisations , democratically controlled. >> because wasn't wasn't that the plan originally ? hasn't that the plan originally? hasn't that been the plan every time we've tried. >> i don't think that in romania you ever had that. it didn't even start like that . it started even start like that. it started off from day one as a regime that was based on it was basically a photocopy of what you had in soviet russia under stalin , we don't stand for that. stalin, we don't stand for that. we are trotskyists . we trace our we are trotskyists. we trace our roots back to leon trotsky and the left opposition. these are people who died in the camps defending the real ideas of october. the ideas of lenin, the ideas of trotsky, the ideas of genuine revolutionary communism. that's the first thing we got to distinguish , two in an advanced distinguish, two in an advanced

capitalist country like britain, with the enormous resources and furthermore a huge working class, the majority of the population is working class, it would be very different and it would be very different and it would be very different and it would be possible to establish a society where the major corporations, the big ones, are nationalised under workers control. all officials are elected , no official to earn elected, no official to earn more than the average wage of a worker , because one of the worker, because one of the problems in romania was that the officials were privileged elite. >> i agree they were living above the working class , right. above the working class, right. they were not living like the working class . however, what's working class. however, what's cunousl working class. however, what's curious i would like to add is this i was looking at some of the opinion polls and ask the question , why is it that several question, why is it that several opinion polls show that close to half between 40 and 50% of the population in romania look back to the old regime kindly, but i'll tell you what they're looking at. they're not looking at the dictator. >> why don't we look, why don't we let the romanian chap explain

a couple of things? >> i mean, i don't think i've, maybe the elder generation probably thinks, things were better then, because probably they had more money. but you had more money because there was nothing to buy. i was six years old when under communism , i was old when under communism, i was queuing for bread for one hour. i was. i queuing for bread for one hour. iwas. i haven't queuing for bread for one hour. i was. i haven't seen this happening in britain and i hope it will never happen. i've seen people die, elderly lady falling and dying because she stayed for too long in the heat and this is all caused to the heavy food shortage is what, for example, it was during the pandemic. there was nothing like people in my country used to stay from two in the morning, queuing my country used to stay from two in the morning , queuing till in in the morning, queuing till in the morning when he was opening the morning when he was opening the shop , the store to buy, oil. the shop, the store to buy, oil. >> yeah. so they were shortages . >> yeah. so they were shortages. >> yeah. so they were shortages. >> that's one point. i'm actually scared of britain becoming communist because with the with the border closed, what will be the internal produce

when you when you hear what fred has said there, which is that what we have not had anywhere is, is proper, proper communism right. >> do you but do you believe that or is that the natural progression for communism? is that it would , in your view, that it would, in your view, doesit that it would, in your view, does it always end the way ended for you? >> i think it does, because eventually what makes people angry is the shortages. >> is the hunger. angry is the shortages. >> is the hunger . and britain >> is the hunger. and britain imports 46, 50, 80% fruit. so if there would be no imports, what would we be eating? you know, apples, pears. >> i don't understand why they wouldn't be imports and why the borders would be closed during communism. >> the, the it's an internal, isn't it? it closes. the borders are closed. >> no it doesn't. >> no it doesn't. >> we're internationalists . we >> we're internationalists. we don't want communism in one country. actually, we don't think it's possible in one country. that's the whole. >> but this is another. this is another issue, right? which is that in order for your ideology to work, the world would have to become it has to be your your

specific version of communism. >> the system that we live under is called capitalism . yeah. is called capitalism. yeah. isn't that also a global system? and let's look at it globally. we talk about hunger, 10% of the world population today. that is about 800 million people are hunger free. >> i suppose the problem you have is that you have literally no evidence of your ideas practically working anywhere in the world, capitalism, before it came into being, had no evidence that it would work. and yet there were people who fought for it. we always achieved capitalism. all right, all right, go on. >> we always go back to capitalism because it's been around for about 1500 years and it works. it's the only thing that works because the power gets more distributed with communism stays only at the elite can i just say the rest are just working bees. >> you, you say it works. there's 100 >> you, you say it works. there's100 million displaced people around the world. >> people. he's one of them. because of communism? >> no, he he's a he's a musician. i was talking to him.

he's he's a skilled pianist. i am a musician. and he came he came here freely, wasn't your uncle shot my uncle actually tried to escape romania and he was. >> he was caught once. luckily he couldn't stay in prison much because there were no spaces , because there were no spaces, because there were no spaces, because there were so many romanians trying to run away. >> i sympathise with you completely. i'd be. i'd be horrified at something like that happening. that's not what we stand for. we don't for stand that kind of thing. the trotskyists i know you're laughing. >> i'm not. i'm just i trotskyist. i admire your ability to come back to this stuff. i did trotskyists in the camps under stalin were killed in their thousands, some of them singing the internationale with the clenched fist. >> those were the genuine communists, and they suffered just like what you're describing to me. so we don't stand for that at all. we stand for genuine communism and there is that possibility because, look, you talk about capitalism working 100 million displaced people, afghanistan , bombed to

people, afghanistan, bombed to bits, syria, etc. people living in desperate conditions, congo, the sudan, the killing that's taking place there, the killing in gaza, the war in the ukraine. >> this is all right, all right. >> this is all right, all right. >> you don't have communism today. as far as i'm okay. >> i'm going to get very quick. final word to you. you're warning for people who are potentially going to go and vote revolutionary communist. what would that be? i would say, this young, this youth is actually being led into a world of horror because they have no idea that after all this, they voted for one thing, which in theory, works , but actually it won't works, but actually it won't works, but actually it won't work in practice. >> all right, well , work in practice. >> all right, well, right. >> all right, well, right. >> well, both of you, thank you very much. i did enjoy that. and i'm getting shouted out because it's gone on longer than we planned. but i was i was enthralled by it. so thank you and thank you. and i to hope talk to you both again very soon. that was a member of the international secretariat of the revolutionary communist international, fred weston and cornel oprea, who is a british, romanian professional pianist who did experience life under the regime in romania. the communist regime in romania. coming up, i bring you the best bits of this great british tradition . kyrees walker . plus,

tradition. kyrees walker. plus, what's going on in the skies , what's going on in the skies, ceiling everywhere. >> this managed to happen . oh >> this managed to happen. oh >> this managed to happen. oh >> bert, next i'll bring you the very first look at tomorrow's newspaper front

welcome back. it's time for the first look at tomorrow's newspaper front pages , starting newspaper front pages, starting with the metro. sir keir , my with the metro. sir keir, my rocky start in life. you can trust me. labour leader insists starmer tells of his poor childhood. the daily. do you know who's son of a toolmaker, anyway? the daily telegraph, pm state pensions will never be taxed now. this is another big development . tories pledge to development. tories pledge to protect the retirement cash from rising inflation. it's called a quadruple lock. i will go into more detail on this shortly . the more detail on this shortly. the mirror you can end tory chaos. labour leader in pledge to bring

uk stability and hope. he says, there we go . let's go to the there we go. let's go to the daily mail for in ten to quit private school under kids tax major report finds that the state sector will be swamped if fees rise. there is an exclusive on the front there. eamonn's harsh words on marriage to ruth that reveal a clue to split. i believe that eamonn will be on gb news tomorrow. breakfast and might, talk about this, so we'll find out then. anyway, the times , city figures back labour with call for new outlook 120 business leaders have basically backed the labour party. let's focus on the telegraph, okay. because on the day that rachel reeves said that she wouldn't be increasing national insurance or income tax rishi sunak, the prime minister has now come out and said the state pension will never be taxed under the conservatives. the prime minister will announce plans to give retirees peace of mind and security by automatically

raising the threshold at which they start paying income tax each year, so it stays ahead of the state pension. labour failed to match the pledge. it's been nicknamed the quadruple lock. james, i'm just going to start with you on this. do you think this is actually a vote winner? there is a row taking place over tax, right? and this is one of them. >> i think there's more a vote saver than a vote winner. this is all about shoring up the over 65 vote for the conservatives. labour trying to make roads into what they call the grey wall. so you've had the blue wall, the red wall. now it's the grey wall, the pensioner vote. and of course a lot of pensioners i think were quite annoyed that, you know, despite having done pretty well at the last 14 years or so, they did not actually benefit from the recent national insurance , tax cut, which insurance, tax cut, which obviously benefits those in work. so those who are retirees would not have benefited from that. so this is jeremy hunt's attempt to try and win back those voters over 65 who might be tempted by reform or even laboun be tempted by reform or even labour. so it's an attempt to shore up the vote among the older voters. yeah. >> looking for the numbers on this. so apparently the state pension is forecast to rise by £430 next april. the pm says that his plan this plan would cost 2.4 billion a year, but

they're going to pay for that by clamping down on tax avoidance, benjamin, you just make old people pay through the nose for everything. >> well, first of all, i'd note that the national service , they that the national service, they said it will cost 2.5 billion, and they'll get that from clamping down on tax evasion. now, apparently they've got 2.4 billion more from tax evasion. so i'd heavily question where these numbers are coming from. if they've just come up with ideas to get billions from tax evasion charges, why didn't they do it for 14 years? on the question, i mean, the complete economic illiteracy in the last 14 years, the age group that has gained the most wealth in this country is over 65, a quarter of over 65 are said to be millionaires. by the end of this decade. it's a completely unsustainable situation and you have a problem. >> this is this is really misleading , which which people misleading, which which people under the age of 40 are finding incredibly difficult if they've had to move to a city for work and it is complete economic illiteracy . illiteracy. >> we have a situation where people who go to work, who get the economy turning are having higher and higher taxes, higher costs of rent and mortgages, and

you cannot sustain a country like that where you give everything to a generation that don't work. >> so . so we have a battle line >> so. so we have a battle line here. so labour is saying they're not going to tax working people more. that's national insurance income tax. there are massive questions over. well, well what are the taxes. are there going to be. the tories are saying i'm paraphrasing here, carol, but if you're old we're not going to taxi to high heaven. i don't think that's what they're saying. >> what they're saying is they're going to hang on to what they've already got and maybe give them a little bit more. i hate , you know, benjamin's hate, you know, benjamin's attitude to the elderly, he's always having a go at elderly, like like they're pensioners a gift. it is not a gift. it is. they work for it all their lives. a lot of them, the few that do have half decent pensions, have done the right thing all throughout their lives. and this saved and labour have already said that when they, when they get in the they're going to put, they're , they're going to put, they're, they're going to put, they're, they're going to take the allowance off again and charge them 55% on the life savings. thatis them 55% on the life savings. that is that's terrible . you that is that's terrible. you know, old people are not getting a gift from the government. they've worked for this money, they've contributed to a system, and they're getting some of it

back. they're not getting all of it back. and it's a terrible attitude to the most vulnerable in our society. they're not the most vulnerable. >> they're the richest in britain. not that pensioners are the richest generation in britain and they take out more than they put. >> you had quite a big say before. more than 2 million people in this country live on nothing but the state pension loan. do you have any idea what thatis? loan. do you have any idea what that is? benjamin because you spend that on a meal. but do you know what they get? that's why i think the great many pensioners who are millionaires, who are not worrying, who are doing well, i think that's why people like you should give up a bit more money for people like the pensioners you're talking about, who live in a house that they've worked all their life to pay for, that does not make them millionaires. that makes them asset rich. but what is? what should they do? go live in a scrappy flat and give up the house of works for all their selfish that you have the very wealthy selfish that who are refusing to give up some for the people that really are selfish that they live in a house they've worked all their lives to pay for, and the fact is, people of my generation, they can work damn hard and their chances ? your generation, you chances? your generation, you are plenty of money to put a deposit out. you choose not to.

you choose to spend your money on. that's not true either. i'm sorry. the people who own houses now, the elderly people you're talking about, they sacrificed and they used to get a house. you don't. you live in a rented flat and you earn. you earn enough money to buy a house. patrick is bored now, so i'm not bored. >> i'm just enjoying the show. i put my feet up. you're on the end there, james. going well for you in this country , we take. we you in this country, we take. we take. all right, all right. >> knock money from work. okay >> knock money from work. okay >> shut up, shut up. >> shut up, shut up. >> okay, now it's widely accepted that the tories and labour will be the two biggest parties after this election. but what about race for third? well, the new scottish first minister, john swinney, was out campaigning in dumfries today and he admitted that the snp has ground to cover to catch up with labourin ground to cover to catch up with labour in the polls. >> i want to bring people in scotland together, i want to unite people in scotland on an agenda to make scotland a better country, and that's about tackling some of the issues that are really significant and damaging for scotland that we've had in recent years. the impact of austerity , the impact of of austerity, the impact of brexit, the impact of the cost of living crisis . i want to

of living crisis. i want to address those issues and address them through the election. >> but the liberal democrats have taken their battle bus north of the border as they launched an offensive to win scottish votes. take a listen to their leader, sir ed davey. >> the people of scotland have been doubly let down, let down by an out of touch conservative government in westminster and taken for granted by an out—of—touch snp government in holyrood. they both have to go. yeah >> coming up, i'm bringing you the best of britain as the cheese rolling championships come crashing back into the spotlight . kyrees wahaca . and spotlight. kyrees wahaca. and was it fair for a trans woman to win best female actress at the cannes film festival? we will debate that very , very shortly. debate that very, very shortly. but, yes, but before all of that, i'll give you some more headlines. so stay tuned

welcome back. it's time to whizz through some more front pages . through some more front pages. let's do it. the guardian global outrage after dozens killed in israeli airstrike on rafah camp , israeli airstrike on rafah camp, we've got the eye. labour mayors warn starmer we will fight for a better deal. the labour metro mayors say they are ready to stand up to starmer. they want more money, i think, don't they? so let's go to the independent now. it gets personal voters like and trust keir more than rishi. however i just get a little bit worse for rishi sunak as you're about to hear, because this is the poll that will strike fear into the conservative campaign headquarters more than any other. responding to a yougov poll , a other. responding to a yougov poll, a whopping 59% of people said they'd be disappointed or dismayed if rishi sunak was to achieve a majority back in 2019,

this number was 52. when asked about how they'd feel about jeremy corbyn. so rishi sunak is polling worse than corbyn was when he was obliterated by boris johnson at the ballot box? carol, what do you make of that? well i mean, you know, it upsets me. >> i mean, he's missed so many chances to, to do things better, but what what's waiting for us terrifies me because i don't think starmer is ready to lead this country. i don't think his party is ready to lead this country . it terrifies me. country. it terrifies me. >> well, go on, james, that is quite, quite stark. >> it is. i will say, though, that talking to labour campaigners this time around, you know, they remember like five years ago when corbyn was out there as the leader, people were screaming at them, saying that labour was a party of terrorist sympathisers, for instance. i don't think rishi sunakis instance. i don't think rishi sunak is eviscerating that or getting that same reaction this time. no, i think the thing is much more about the party. i think the, the, the country's just generally done with the conservatives after 14 years of government. that's the problem for them. >> and if you look at the polling numbers, rishi sunaks personal popularity has fallen

to the level of the tories popularity. he was doing a bit better when he took over. but the fact is that, you know, when people can't afford a quality of life and they've seen it get worse for the last 14 years, then what do you expect them to think? you know, how do they expect them to feel about the person that's been in charge? >> well, a lot of things have happened, ben, in those 14 years, you know, we had covid, for instance. for a start, we've had the war in ukraine. we've had the war in ukraine. we've had the war in ukraine. we've had the economy crashing, we've had the economy crashing, we've had all sorts. >> it would be interesting to see how boris johnson was polling. yes. it's one of life's great unanswered for me. it's one of life's unanswered questions. >> he's one of the top three worst prime ministers we've had in the last five years. yeah >> you're in, you're in, you're nice. you're you're in. arne slot view. i mean, the fact is, it probably will be better than this. now, look, the annual cheese rolling event in gloucestershire. this is what you came for, people. the annual cheese rolling events in gloucestershire . okay. it took gloucestershire. okay. it took place today, but let me tell you, it's no walk in the park. the venue is cooper's hill, which has an average gradient of over 45 degrees. it's 180m which has an average gradient of over 45 degrees. it's180m long in length. the rules are simple a wheel of cheese is thrown down it and the first to the bottom

wins. that cheese sounds easy. we'll take a look at this year's races . kyrees. watch out i races. kyrees. watch out! >> cheese, cheese cheese cheese cheese. >> general election. absolutely brutal. but that is nothing compared to this year's women's race. take a look at this person in the red jumper. we've circled her on your screen. okay watch carefully. watch carefully so they're off. the cheese is going down the hill and she's just oh my good gosh. seriously. that is unbelievable. so apparently she's about let's take another look at this. so the firing gun goes. that is said wheel of cheese being rolled down a hill. this can this cheese can hit 70 miles an hour off. she goes, she runs, she takes two steps. she's staggered. she is taking the rag doll approach to a mountain and she's off screen. she's gone so far off screen. and everybody else is going down on their backside. i mean, yeah , believe backside. i mean, yeah, believe it or not, she won. yes, she did

win. and she was absolutely fine. in her post—race interview. >> i mean, do you have like a tactic, do you have a way of doing it. yeah. what's in your mind? >> maybe mostly like off the get go to run and then take it where it goes. so i think i probably, i don't know how it, i only know how it feels. i don't know how it looks, but i think i just tumble down. >> it looked awful . i'll be >> it looked awful. i'll be honest. it looked awful. anyway, i'm sure you're all wondering . i'm sure you're all wondering. the cheese that they get to keep for winning is double gloucester . of course it is. well, let's go to today's greatest britain and union jackass. >> oh, whoa i we just missed it. >> oh, whoa! we just missed it. >> oh, whoa! we just missed it. >> carol, who's your great. we did miss. >> we missed a whole debate. >> we missed a whole debate. >> but any time. carol. so if you could just crack on. >> shut up. >> shut up. >> right. my christmas, eamonn holmes everyone who knows them adores them. you know, all our hearts go out in with them. we've heard that his marriage is over now. he lost his mum and in the past year he's got a massive he's had to sell his house. he loves to pay a tax bill and now at a time when he should be loved, cared for and cherished

and his marriage has broken up, we all send our love out to him. >> or we do. and i think you will be. i think we will be heanng will be. i think we will be hearing from eamonn tomorrow on breakfast, so make sure you tune in for that comment. my greatest britain is the coldplay frontman chris martin because he was performing at the radio 1 weekender and there was a woman trying to get there, but she has arthritis and was struggling to walk to the event. >> and so chris martin and his assistant got her in the car and drove her into the festival herself. >> hasn't she suffered enough? and she she was feeling yellow, and i just thought it was a wonderful story. and she said she, she was 64 and she doesn't go to festivals. she just wanted to see chris martin. and she got a better deal than that. >> all right. go on. for me, it's the gloucestershire cheese chasers, particularly abby lamp right there because that was amazing . i mean, i sounded amazing. i mean, i sounded american to me, but she knew my honorary greatest britain are coming over here and taking our cheeses, you know. >> yeah. exactly right. today's winner of the greatest britain is eamonn holmes. so there we go. right union jackass time now right? >> mine is bullying senior management at the lewisham and

greenwich nhs trust, which has told staff it has to its name. it has to comply with its idiotic trans guidance or be damned. what they've said is they've told all staff that if they've told all staff that if they say not to confront patients who are going into single sex facilities despite what they look like. so if it's a bloke walking onto a woman's ward at 10:00 at night, they have to just let them go in. >> i've got a hefty right of reply. spokesman for the trust said it's committed to being an anti discriminatory organisation , so we are proud of our trans policy which ensures we treat trans patients with the same high level of dignity and respect offered to all patients. benjamin. >> yes, my jackass is the airline sun express, which there was a bbc weather presenter whose kid has a really strong allergy to nuts. she asked them to make a declaration on the plane. please don't open nuts. they not only refused, but they threw the family off the flight . threw the family off the flight. >> can we just point out as well? the family were supposed to let the airline know and did not. >> but you know. well, the good news is that easyjet fixed it the next day. but i thought that was just incredibly poor. >> another hefty right of reply.

spokeswoman for the sun express said due to the insistent behaviour of the passenger and others on board, they should not consume nuts. the captain decided it would be safest if the family did not travel with our flight. when this was explained to the passenger, he exhibited aggressive behaviour towards our crew members and then tried to gain access to the cockpit to ensure the safety of our crew and passengers. we don't tolerate aggressive behaviour on our flights. right, jane? so here was your idiot jackass. >> i hope this doesn't have any right of reply, but i'm going to go for john swinney, and right of reply, but i'm going to go forjohn swinney, and not least because he'll hate being called a union jackass because he is still a member of the union, and he launched his campaign today. and i'm sure this will fail. just like the last three general election campaigns by the snp to break up this great country. >> yeah, i mean, the issue for john swinney about being a union jackass is that, of course got the word union in it. you were right to point that out. and he is today's greatest no union jackass is the greatest, biggest union jackass. there we go. well done john. right. all right. reply. no, i'm not okay. all right guys, look thank you very

much. fantastic show. thank you very much for everybody who's been watching. we are going to have a fantastic build up to the general election right here on patrick christys tonight, all the way through . so make sure the way through. so make sure that you keep it gb news to down 11 headlines the next. for a much more detailed look at tomorrow's newspapers inside and lots on the front of the book. thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you to everybody who's been watching and tuning in. i will, of course, be back again tomorrow from 9 pm. so do tune in for that. up next is headliners. but right now we'll have the latest look at your . weather. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> good evening. welcome to our latest gb news weather from the met office. so there's been plenty of showers around for many of us today, and there's further rain expected over the next couple of days, all thanks to low pressure situated out towards the west of the uk,

slowly moving its way towards us over the next couple of days, bringing some heavy rain and some blustery showers . any some blustery showers. any showers that we have seen across eastern parts of scotland and northern england will gradually ease as we head through the rest of this evening, leaving some clear spells overnight here but down towards the southwest. a very different picture. plenty of cloud around and some outbreaks of heavy rain moving in. temperatures here around 12 or 13 degrees, but definitely a little chillier under those clear skies. and quite a bright start for parts of scotland and northern england through tuesday morning. however, down towards the southwest it will be a much greyer and damper picture to start on tuesday. those temperatures are starting the day around 13 or 14 degrees and heavy and persistent rain continuing through much of tuesday morning, particularly across northern ireland and parts of wales. as i mentioned, a bit of a brighter start across parts of scotland, albeit a chilly start in places . however, chilly start in places. however, there will be some sunshine as we head through tuesday morning, but in towards the afternoon that area of rain continues to push its way northwards,

eventually reaching into parts of northern england and scotland, later two behind that area of rain . plenty of showers area of rain. plenty of showers across northern ireland, wales and into southern and central parts of england too, again with some hail and thunder mixed in some hail and thunder mixed in so some heavy downpours, likely another warm day. temperatures around 17 or 18 degrees, so around 17 or 18 degrees, so around about average for the time of year, although perhaps just a little cooler under that cloud and rain further north. wednesday

gb news. >> it's 11:00. gb news. >> it's11:00. i'm theo chikomba in the gb newsroom . the prime in the gb newsroom. the prime minister has defended his plan to make all 18 year olds carry out national service, describing it as modern and bold. rishi sunak says the proposals will will mean young people will get the skills and the opportunities they need, which will serve them well in life. he says it will make society more cohesive. >> i believe this is the right thing to do because this is how we'll deliver a secure future for everyone and our country. we're not going to do that without taking bold action, and that's a type of leadership that i offer. and this modern form of national service will mean that young people get the skills and the opportunities they need, which is going to serve them very well in life . it's going to very well in life. it's going to foster a culture of service, which is going to be incredibly powerful for making our society more cohesive and in a more uncertain and dangerous world. it's going to strengthen our country's security and resilience. so for all these reasons, i think this is

absolutely the right thing to do