says this, socialism? and nigel says this, i'm afraid. >> i'm worried to say , of >> i'm worried to say, of sectarian politics with women completely excluded. >> the bbc reacts like this farage with his, customary inflammatory language. >> there, at a reform uk press conference, the mask slips plus , conference, the mask slips plus, i'm ambitious for all of our children, including the 93% in our state schools. >> and that's why this policy is so important to give every child a decent start in life. >> but his labour are about to u—turn on its flagship policy. it's a mixed day in the polls. one has labour up, another shows the tories are clawing it back. it's also a mixed day for angela rayner. raynen >> me resigning as an mp now would bring the ceasefire. i would bring the ceasefire. i would do it. i would do it. >> she's copping it for that. but then there's this. >> the labour leader has accused the conservative of using desperate tactics after greater

manchester police said it will take no further action in its investigation into electoral irregularities and lib dem leader sir ed davey. >> it's finally making waves. meanwhile, rishi sunak is doing all it takes to win the pensioners . vote. nay nay. nay. pensioners. vote. nay nay. nay. >> nay. nay. nay >> nay. nay. nay >> my top team this evening are columnist esther krakow. i've got conservative commentator albie amankona and journalist and political commentator jonathan. liz. oh, and can you work out what's happening here? mark steyn for palestine tv . get mark steyn for palestine tv. get ready britain. here we go .

ready britain. here we go. get ready for socialism. next . get ready for socialism. next. >> patrick. thanks very much indeed. well, the top story this houn indeed. well, the top story this hour. geraint davies has announced he's standing down as announced he's standing down as a labour mp at the general election on the 4th of july. the swansea west mp is currently suspended from the labour party following allegations of sexual harassment, which he denies, and has been sitting as an independent. aren't. he said he's disappointed he hasn't yet had a labour party hearing or any opportunity to clear his name , and it's understood diane name, and it's understood diane abbott has had the labour whip restored today after previously having it removed . miss abbott having it removed. miss abbott was suspended from the party last year after suggesting jewish people do not face racism, and that instead they suffer prejudice similar to redheads. she's apologised for that comment and had remained

sitting as an independent mp for more than a year while an investigation was carried out. miss abbott has been a labour mp since 1987. now pensioners could be for in a tax break collectively worth up to £24 billion a year as part of an election pledge by the conservative party. it could see tax free allowances rising, netting around £95 a year per pensioner. that rising to £275 by 2029. the prime minister says it will be funded by reclaiming money from those who deliberately evade tax . labour deliberately evade tax. labour described the plan as a desperate move, but rishi sunak said it's part of the government's strategy . government's strategy. >> what i believe is that if you work hard all your life, you should have dignity in retirement. that's why we've protected the triple lock, which is going up by £900 this year for pensioners. but today what we've announced is the triple lock. plus we're going to increase the personal allowance for pensioners delivering a tax

cut worth around £100 to millions of pensioners, demonstrating our commitment to them, making sure that we can deliver a secure future for them. and in contrast, the labour party have said they oppose that policy, which means pensioners will be paying tax under any future labour government. and that's a clear choice on offer at this election i >> -- >> rishi sunak, meanwhile, the shadow chancellor, has told gb news that pensioners are in fact paying news that pensioners are in fact paying more tax because of rishi sunak's government. rachel reeves used her first major speech of the election campaign to spotlight the much criticised mini—budget of the former prime minister, liz truss, which she's blamed for costing homeowners around £240 more every month. speaking to gb news political editor christopher hope, miss reeves said wages remain flat and taxpayers are being asked to pay and taxpayers are being asked to pay more for less. >> everything that i put forward will be fully costed and fully funded because i will never play fast and loose with the public

finances because when you do so, you put family finances and pensioners finances in peril and the conservatives are now adding bauble after bauble to the christmas tree without any idea of how they're going to fund these new commitments. yesterday they said they were going to use this money to create national service scheme. today they're saying they'll use the same pot of money to give a tax break for pensioners. well, the reason that pensioners are paying more tax today is because of decisions by this conservative prime minister rachel reeves . prime minister rachel reeves. >> lastly, the deputy labour leader has accused the conservatives of desperate tactics after greater manchester police said it will take no further action in its investigation into the sale of her council house back in 2015, angela rayner had been closely scrutinised over whether or not she'd paid the right amount of tax on the sale of that house, after there were conflicting stories over whether or not it had been her principal

residence. well in a statement released this afternoon, police clarified that matters involving council tax, they said, don't fall under our jurisdiction. those are the top stories. for the very latest, you sign up to gb news alerts, scan that qr code on your screen or go to gb news .com/ alerts . news .com/ alerts. >> the general election campaign is really spicing up now. sir keir starmer has spent the last couple of years trying to reassure everybody that labour isn't a risk . isn't a risk. >> i've changed my party, we've changed our party, i've changed this party. this is a changed labour party. we're a changed party. >> and then yesterday he let this slip . this slip. >> yes, i would describe myself as a socialist. i describe myself as a progressive. i'd describe myself as somebody who always puts the country first

and party second. >> well, there appear to be an immediate attempt to row back on the first bit of what he said there, describing himself as a socialist, shadow chancellor rachel reeves said this i've always called myself a social democrat and what i mean by that is that i believe that children from whatever background they come from, should get an equal start in life to the opportunities that our country offers. >> i believe in strong public services to support people all through their lives , from the through their lives, from the cradle to the grave. and i believe that work should always pay believe that work should always pay and offer security to people . so that's how i would describe myself. >> but if sir keir starmer is to be believed, i.e. he is a socialist and if he was elected, britain would presumably become a socialist country, then the big question has to be this does britain really want socialism? do we want to be a socialist country ? the polls appear to country? the polls appear to suggest yes, we do. most of the latest polling data puts labour 23 points ahead. but what might socialism look like under

labour? well, labour has just been endorsed by 121 business bosses, which is a massive boost for them. if businesses don't fear socialist starmer then that's good for labour. i will just caveat that slightly by saying that they've had to retract some of those in the last couple of hours, but still the majority of that still stands. but there is a fear that sir keir starmer would be in the pocket of the unions. one of labour's biggest union donors, unite said labour's plans for workers rights had more holes than a swiss cheese. what does that mean going forward? what would strike action look like ? would strike action look like? there is the other potential concern that modern british socialism means being aggressively pro—palestine. these socialist workers party is all over these palestine marches. keir starmer has said that he wants to recognise palestine as a state and there's this clip of deputy leader angela rayner appearing to grovel to a room full of pro—palestine men. >> i know that people are angry about what's happening in the middle east and i said live on tv and i say to this day, if me resigning as an mp now would

bnng resigning as an mp now would bring a ceasefire, no , i would bring a ceasefire, no, i would do it. i would do it. this comes alongside arguably labour's most socialist policy the vat hike on private schools. >> there are calls for them to u—turn after a survey today claimed around 224,000 private pupils could leave as a result of the plans double the previous estimate . what impact will that estimate. what impact will that have on state schools? so the question still stands, doesn't it? does britain want to be a socialist country ? let's get the socialist country? let's get the thoughts of my panel this evening. i am, of course, joined by columnist and broadcaster esther krakow. i have got journalist jonathan lewis and conservative commentator albie amankona albie. i'll start with you. does britain want to be socialist? >> no, i will say that as a resounding no . resounding no. >> at every opportunity that the british public have had the opportunity to vote in a socialist leader or someone even

close to socialism. let's take, let's take jeremy corbyn, for example, back in 2019 and in 2017, britain has said no . i 2017, britain has said no. i think it's curious that keir starmer has come out today or yesterday , whenever it was and yesterday, whenever it was and said i am a socialist, i think we should believe in one, he says. he's a socialist. my grandmother always tells me when someone shows you who they are, believe them. so beware britain. starmer is a socialist. don't vote him in jonathan. >> i mean , alby's got a point, >> i mean, alby's got a point, hasn't he? we have never really been a socialist country. do we really want to be now? >> well , i'm really want to be now? >> well, i'm not sure that's true, actually. if you look at the 1945 to 51 attlee government that brought in a welfare state, vast nationalisation of major pubuc vast nationalisation of major public services under a monarchy, under a very conservative, small c conservative, small c conservative establishment. it's not true that we've never had socialism. how long ago was that? well, i mean, you just i just asked a question. i answered it, and you could say that a lot of the policies in the 1970s under harold wilson were also socialist. look, i'll buy you. and i have no idea what

the people of britain want. we'll all find out in five weeks time. then we'll find out what the british people want. so that's the that's our answer to that's the that's our answer to that question definitively. but i would say that the labour party says in its kind of book it is a democratic socialist party. so i don't think we should read too much into it. starmer is not saying he's a marxist leninist. we're not going to have a communist revolution. and the labour offering is pretty centrist in what it's actually giving. >> so why say it? >> so why say it? >> because he's because he was asked a question. and there is a socialism means different things to different people. it's the problem that's no one can agree on what it means. >> that's the problem. >> that's the problem. >> a lot of people understand it. look, a lot of people understand socialism to be what rachel reeves just explained in that clip about about being a social democrat. other people will say it's more like marxism. >> that's not what i'll bring you into this. i think the big fear for a lot of people, not everybody, but for a lot of people, is that keir starmer will say whatever it takes to get elected and upon election we will have the destruction of private schools, possibly due to the politics of envy. we will have votes for kids who might be in the back pocket of the

unions. they're not happy with him. what does he do if strike action starts ripping through the country, for example, are you concerned about that? >> well, i'm not necessarily concerned about that because particularly on the socialism point, we have had socialism. the problem is we've had socialism with no economic growth. so the pie that we're supposed to be sharing and redistributing has got smaller and smaller. we have french style welfare spending without any economic growth to back it up.and any economic growth to back it up. and so this whole idea of taxing schools, for instance, you know, what socialist do you know, that actually wants to tax education that doesn't exist in more left leaning countries across europe? it's education. well, no, but it is. but it is because the reason why we don't have vat on essential goods is because they're essential goods. you cannot argue that education is not an essential education. it's actually no, but hold on. but there is a reason for that. a lot of people, a lot of working class people actually got better opportunities in this country after the destruction of grammar schools, because they got bursaries to go to private schools. he hasn't acknowledged that anyway, even though that's what that was. his background as well. so the point here is it's not about being scared of whether he's a socialist or not. it's just being scared about the fact that things are going to

continue as they are, which has been effectively socialism with no economic growth. >> i would i wouldn't describe anything that this conservative government has done as being socialist. it puts on the vat point. this is about removing an unfair tax break and it's unfair. well, it is unfair. it is unfair that that private schools should have advantage that other people. would it not? >> would it not be unfair to dump private schools, quarter of a million children into the state sector without any more schools? >> well, that well that that report that you're citing, i think has actually had a lot of i think i was reading that it was kind of bankrolled or part of it. it was partly responsible by an organisation that we do have some real world. >> yes, but we do have some real world data. can i just make this point, which is that apparently 3000 fewer pupils, sorry, 30,000 fewer pupils went to private school this year as a result of that fear. >> and that we can argue we can argue about the numbers. fine. but do you acknowledge that by virtue of fees going up by 20, there will be people that will no longer be able to go to fee paying no longer be able to go to fee paying schools? do you acknowledge that no matter the numbers, do you acknowledge that? >> i think it really depends on hold on, but but no, no. >> if anything goes up by 20, it

will really depend. >> no, it will really depend on whether schools. >> but that's that's basic economic of schools won't becomes more expensive. fewer people can afford. >> all schools are going to pass that on. >> will pass it on a lot of balls. a lot of schools scholarship, a lot of schools will a lot of people like me who have been able to go to a private school without a scholarship or a bursary to go to a private school, do you accept that parents who send their children to private schools are relieving the taxpayer, because actually they are opening up places for children who can't afford point? >> they're they're paying for a service they themselves are not using. why should they have to pay using. why should they have to pay for that? >> all right, jonathan, they're not using state education. >> why should they have to then pay >> why should they have to then pay saying why should everyone pay pay saying why should everyone pay tax. everyone. well if you're if you're a childless person , you might have person, you might have reservations about paying for all the other things. i mean, the whole welfare state, the principle of the country is that everyone pays into something. >> everyone gets something out of it. i mean, i don't think that that's that's basically that's how the social that's how the social contract is meant to work. i agree with you. the social contract is not working very well at the moment. >> so do you. do you think i'll go down the line on this? but do you think the country should

fear keir starmer? >> yes, because a lot of the time you will hear people say conservatives are less scared of keir starmer because he's not a socialist . keir starmer because he's not a socialist. he's just told us he is a socialist. so this whole centrist dad that he's put across is a lie. >> jonathan, i don't believe that i'll be believed that it's not about language , it's about not about language, it's about deeds. i would love starmer to be a socialist. i've been a people on the left have actually been mostly disappointed that he's rowed back on most of the pledges he gave the labour leadership. for example, in 2020. i think he needs to be a lot more progressive at the moment. i'm you know, i'll be criticising the government from the left. what he calls himself is neither here nor there. >> okay. esther, do you do you think there are aspects that we should fear when it comes to a labour government? i mean, they do. there does appear to be this this slightly bizarre link at the moment as well, between, you know, socialism and also being quite rabidly pro—palestine, for example, appeasing certain communities is. >> no, because there can't be any worse than what we've got now. i mean, the tories have no now. i mean, the tories have no no leg to stand on. you can say, oh, you should fear keir starmer. you've been terrible. like, what are we, what do we

more of the same. how is that we've already experienced it. so how could it be much worse. well doesit how could it be much worse. well does it mean to be rabidly y rabidly pro—palestine? >> well, i would say that, being sitting in front of a group, i mean, like that, i mean, rabid is quite a charged word, isn't it? >> like you've got rabies. i mean, that's it's i would argue that some of the behaviour that we have seen on the streets of london and elsewhere in this country for a considerable penod country for a considerable period of time has been rabid. >> yes. >> yes. >> well, how is how is labour showing exhibited any kind of. >> well, some labour mps have marched alongside that and have spoken at those events. we've also seen, you know, the fact that labour, for example, has been quite willing, i would argue, to pander to some of those people by saying that israel should withdraw water and electricity from the palestinians , or, for example, palestinians, or, for example, the candidate that labour stood in rochdale that actually said that he was disavowed was was a conspiracy disavowed by the conspiracy disavowed by the conspiracy theory . yeah, but you conspiracy theory. yeah, but you still stood him. >> well, no, they didn't stand in the whole. they didn't stand him. he was he he was kicked off the ballot paper. he was kicked off the labour, the labour whip before he was. that's why he wasn't elected. that's why galloway got in. i don't think that you could argue that labour has been too pro—palestinian.

quite the reverse. >> okay. all right. i i wonder whether or not people make their own minds up about that clip of angela rayner in a room full of blokes there, you know, kind of kowtowing to them might have a different view, but obviously you're entitled to yours now, talking of giving things away for free at £20,000 has to be won in our great british giveaway. and don't miss out. yes, that's right, as the lie—ins are going to close this friday, here's all the details you need for your chance to win that cash. >> it's the final week to see how you can win a whopping £20,000 cash. you could use that cash to splash out on a holiday. make the garden glam, buy a new car , or just save it for a rainy car, or just save it for a rainy day. whatever you'd spend £20,000 on, make sure you don't miss the chance to make it yours. hurry as lines close on friday for another chance to win £20,000 in tax free cash. text win to 63232. text cost £2 plus one standard network rate message or post your name and number two gb05, po box 8690. derby dh1 nine two, uk only

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pension is never act. >> look, should british youngsters stop moaning about supporting pensioners? director of public policy and communications at the iea, matthew lash. he's live

next. this is patrick christys. tonight coming up is labour's predicted lead at the ballot box. slipping. we run through today's latest polls with

polling expert doctor tom lubbock. but first, should british youngsters stop complaining about supporting pensioners? it's time for tonight's head to head . yeah, tonight's head to head. yeah, it's a big one. this for the general election . so rishi sunak general election. so rishi sunak has sought to secure the vote of britain's older generation by promising a quadruple lock on pensions . this will be done by pensions. this will be done by automatically raising the threshold that pensioners start paying threshold that pensioners start paying income tax each year, so that they never have to pay income tax on their state pensions. it's expected to save 8 million older people around £100 in tax next year, rising to £300 a year by 2030. while it will cost the taxpayer around £24 billion. here's what rishi sunak had to say about this earlier today. >> you know what i believe is that if you work hard all your life, you should have dignity in retirement. that's why we've protected the triple lock, which is going up by £900 this year for pensioners . but today what for pensioners. but today what we've announced is the triple lock. plus we're going to

increase the personal allowance for pensioners delivering a tax cut worth around £100 to millions of pensioners , millions of pensioners, demonstrating our commitment to them, making sure that we can deliver a secure future for them. and in contrast, the labour party have said they oppose that policy, which means pensioners will be paying tax under any future labour government. and that's a clear choice on offer at this election. >> but have the tories now lost the support of britain's youngsters with tongue in cheek responses like this floating around on social media? hearing that rishi sunak is going to announce mandatory blood donations for under 30s tomorrow in order to give new fresh blood to the over 65. we'll also be entering under 30s in an organ lottery with the organs of a few lucky young folks to be harvested to maintain nhs stocks . labour, meanwhile, refused to match the pledge when they were asked this morning will you in laboun asked this morning will you in labour, commit to doing the same? >> no, we think it's absolutely desperate. i mean, first of all, the only reason the state pensioners anywhere near the personal allowance is because

the conservative party has frozen the personal allowance for so long and it seems that the money that they are promising to pay for this is the same money that they were promising would introduce national service just a day ago. so i don't think it's credible. i don't think it's real. and i think pensioners will will completely see through this. >> so tonight i'm asking should british youngsters stop moaning about supporting pensioners? let me know your thoughts, head to gbnews.com/yoursay. tweet me @gbnews. and while you're there, go and vote in our poll. going head to head on this now. our author and broadcaster christine hamilton and the director of pubuc hamilton and the director of public policy and communications at the iea , it's matthew lash. at the iea, it's matthew lash. christina, we'll start with you. thank you very much for joining us this evening. should youngsters stop moaning about supporting pensioners? >> of course they should. if they're lucky , but only if they're lucky, but only if they're lucky, but only if they're lucky. they'll be pensioners one day and they'll know what it's like or paid in throughout their lifetime , their throughout their lifetime, their working lifetime to the system and what pensioners are now getting is their due. it's not a

handout, it's not free. we've earned it, we've paid for it. so yes, they should stop moaning. >> matthew, you should stop moaning . moaning. >> this is an outrageous and unfair policy. there is simply no good reason why one age group in society should get to pay less taxes than everyone else. it's quite clearly a bribe here, and we have to be absolutely clear about what's going on here. on the one hand, the conservatives literally want to form for us 18 year olds into a new form of slave labour that i can literally see having to wipe the bums of care home residents whilst they're forced to pay more taxes throughout their lifetime . through this system, lifetime. through this system, we should remember that 1 in 4 pensioners are already millionaires. the benefit is hugely from economic growth of recent decades. the inflation in house prices, they're less likely to be in poverty. the pensioners don't simply do not need this, this tax cut. and we absolutely have to blow up this myth that, oh, the entitlement as a result of paying all their life pensioners will get far more out than they are paid in

significantly more because we're far more generous as a side than we were in the past, and we're far richer as a society. but it's just not fair to keep them ratcheting up the benefits again and again and again. pensioners. all right, i'll come back. matthew >> i'll come back to you. i will come back to you. don't worry, christine, quite a lot to respond to. there's something that 1 in 4 pensioners are millionaires, it's not fair. they don't deserve it. they're going to get more out of it than they're paying in. do you want to come back to that? >> well, it depends how you define millionaire, doesn't it? yes. quite a lot of pensioners are stuck in houses that are too big for them. they're worth a lot of money. they can't sell them because of stamp duty, etc. and the housing market is et cetera. et cetera. so yes, a lot of pensioners are probably worse in those terms. quite a lot of money, but they actually can't cash that in. so they need the money. and also it's no good concentrating on the very rich pensioners. everybody looks right at the top. of course, there are very rich pensioners who don't need the state pension at all, but there are millions of pensioners who rely on that state pension . and the idea that

state pension. and the idea that you should begrudge somebody who has spent their entire life working very often in menial, lowly paid jobs, why you should begrudge them now to have a decent standard of living, i just find astonishing. and as i said, one day, if you're lucky, you'll be a pensioner. >> okay , matthew, you know why? >> okay, matthew, you know why? why should elderly people who've had working class jobs struggle to turn the heating on in the winter so that you can go and buy another overpriced cocktail at a rooftop bar , patrick, the at a rooftop bar, patrick, the personal attacks, they keep on coming . i personal attacks, they keep on coming. i mean, personal attacks, they keep on coming . i mean, look, let's be coming. i mean, look, let's be honest here, there are a lot of pensioners who are well off and simply do not need this tax cut. the problem is that the government is broad based in the way they give out these benefits . i would be perfectly happy to see, increased benefits for pensioners who truly need it and less support for those who don't. i think that would be a far more fair system, would be far more fair system, would be far less costly system when it comes to pensions. but at the moment it's just hugely

mistargeted, to say that all pensioners should get these kind of, increases in their pensions as well as the other kind of benefits that we're all paying for through the nhs, through social care, through our higher taxes since the second world war. there's just a huge kind of generational issue that we're getting at the heart of here and now. it makes perfect sense dunng now. it makes perfect sense during an election for the for the conservatives to want to bribe pensioners to come out and vote for them. it doesn't make for particularly good policy. i mean, of course, labour and the lib dem miriam cates everyone else are pretty much doing the same. but again, this this kind of electoral calculus is not healthy for the nation's finances. it's not healthy. >> matthew. intergenerational fairness what is the state pension? what is the state pension? what is the state pension? every single year , the pension? every single year, the state pension, the basic state pension is about £11,000 a year. uk now actually has a higher has about a higher state pension than , the likes of germany. but than, the likes of germany. but hang on a minute. >> you couldn't live off 11,000 11,500 pounds a year, could you ? 11,500 pounds a year, could you? >> look, patrick, the point here is that most pensioners have other wealth as well. so yeah, i think there should be a higher pension for people who that's

the only asset they have. i'd really like to see a higher pension for those who need it the most, and lower pensions for those who don't need the additional money and have assets and have wealth that they can depend on. >> there is a there is there is a i think, christine, a compelling case for this being means tested . right. means tested. right. >> well means testing of course costs a lot of money. so you lose a huge amount of money by means testing . i think there are means testing. i think there are huge generalisations going on here. i mean, millenniums i don't i have no idea how old matthew is. it's difficult to tell behind the moustache, but i don't know how old he is, whether he's a millennial or whatever. but, millennials seem to think that boomers like me, i've never had it so good. that was selfish, old fogeys. and we've ruined the planet for everybody else. and we should just be basically just go off and die and not cost any money and die and not cost any money and not have any taxes . boomers and not have any taxes. boomers tend to think that, you know, the millennials are financially feckless, work shy, workey, etc. etc. the truth lies in the middle and i think it's the way

you judge a society . the moral you judge a society. the moral values of a society is how they treat their older people, frankly, and those who treat their older people well. and yes, of course there are millionaires who don't need the pension, but you'll probably find that some of those give the pension to charity. there are a lot of millionaires who are philanthropic and they give away a lot of their money. if you have any conscience about it, give away your pension. but to deny the people who really need it and to have their pension taxed away by stealth is appalling. so i applaud what the government is trying to do . government is trying to do. >> okay. all right, matthew, for what it's worth, i do actually enjoy your moustache. so i will i will not have i will not i will not have i will not have a bad word said about that. as somebody who cannot grow a moustache myself, i actually have the politics of envy going on right now. but both of you, thank you very, very much. look, really good stuff. that's exactly what we wanted from a good head to head and i think you've encapsulated quite, quite literally actually the, the

polarisation of where we're at with this policy. so thank you both of you. that's christine hamilton there, author and broadcaster and the director of pubuc broadcaster and the director of public policy and communications at the iea, matthew lash. great stuff. right. okay. who do you agree with? should british youngsters stop moaning about supporting pensioners? jill on excess pensioners used to be young and supported their elders. what goes around comes around. the young will become elderly and need support. liam says. why would the youngsters stop moaning when they will probably have to work until they're 70 to pay for today's elderly and immigrants? john sunak says state pensions are nothing short of a ponzi scheme, so this should be a heads up for young people to not rely on it being there when they are old. okay. all right. your verdict is now in 84% of you agree that british youngsters should stop moaning about supporting pensioners . 16% of you disagree. pensioners. 16% of you disagree. for what it's worth, i am i am one of those 84. so there we go. right. coming up, labour's vat raid on private schools is their flagship policy , and there are flagship policy, and there are huge calls for them to now u—turn on it because it's coming

under fire. the policy is threatened with legal action and frankly , fears that the pressure frankly, fears that the pressure on state schools will be far too much should they just ditch it. so former political secretary to tony blair, john mcternan, has his say on that very shortly. plus nigel farage makes this warning on the campaign trail. >> so we're moving into an age in our inner cities and towns , in our inner cities and towns, i'm afraid. i'm worried to say, of sectarian politics with women completely excluded . completely excluded. >> so is he right to sound the alarm? we debate that at ten. but next, the very first polls from the election campaign penod from the election campaign period have been released . now. period have been released. now. has rishi sunak shaky start cost him more ground, or is there reason for hope? i've got the co—founder of jl polling partners, doctor tom lubbock. he's crunching the numbers for you , and the reason why he's you, and the reason why he's such a special guest is because it's his lot who just

welcome back to patrick christys tonight. coming up. should keir starmer ditch his plan to hike private school fees by 20? massive calls for a u—turn on this. but before that, the very first polls of the general election campaign are out . and election campaign are out. and they're giving the tories a glimmer. and it is just a glimmer. and it is just a glimmer of hope. with labour's lead in one poll carried out by jl partners, reduced to just 12 points over the tories. but another poll also published today has put sir keir starmer's

lead over the tories at 23 points, up from 19. so you know the lord giveth, the lord taketh away. so to dig deeper into these contradictory polls, i am joined now by the co—founder of jl partner, doctor tom lubbock. tom, look, thank you very much. great to have you on the show, two very different polls out today. your one appears to put the tories 12 points behind. can you just explain why yours is right and the others are wrong ? right and the others are wrong? >> i think we wouldn't be so arrogant as to say ours is definitely right, but we use different methods and different pollsters have got different methods and that will in the end prove to give you the most accurate result across the piece. so what we do is we say, well, there are lots of voters out there who tell us they don't know how they're going to vote. if you can believe that, they still say they don't know how they're going to vote. and we say, well, by the time of the election, most of them are probably going to vote one way or another. so we actually model how they're going to vote. we say, who do they look like in the group of voters who are telling us how they're going to vote? and then we, allocate them

to that party. and it's a method that's proven itself in the past. not everyone uses it, but we think that's the right model for this election. >> okay. so if you've got the tories 12 points behind, what do we normally expect during general election campaigns? we've got five and a bit weeks to go here. now we are starting to go here. now we are starting to see some clear dividing lines between these two parties. are you expecting those polls to narrow ? narrow? >> look, i think we're it's very dangerous to draw conclusions from one era in politics to another . from one era in politics to another. this era that we're in from 2017, 2019 now 24 all very , from 2017, 2019 now 24 all very, very different elections to those elections that came before . but you do tend to see parties like the lib dems , parties like like the lib dems, parties like reform the greens. i think we've seen so far in this campaign get really squeezed out of the coverage and therefore get squeezed in the polls. they may still still do well in certain seats, but they will get squeezed in those headline voting figures. >> okay, so if the general

election was tomorrow and if your poll was correct, i appreciate we're dealing in hypotheticals here, but i'm quite keen to know what that would make parliament look like. so what what would that be? >> it would be a healthy, healthy majority for keir starmer. don't want to put an exact number on it, because this is just one small sample poll that we've done. we will be doing modelling throughout the campaign on larger samples , but campaign on larger samples, but it would be a healthy majority for keir starmer and that's why some of the reaction today, people, perhaps overhyping some of these results, this would still be a majority for keir starmer. >> yeah, it's really interesting actually, because all the big noise on social media about 2:30 this afternoon was, oh watch out, there's some, there's some spicy polling coming. and then a couple of polls dropped and it had labour 23 points ahead and then yours dropped and it was a slightly different story. so i do appreciate i think people were trying to maybe get a little bit ahead of themselves there. when we look at some of there. when we look at some of the key policy eyes that have been announced so far. so labour

votes for 16 year olds, i would say that's well, that and the schools policy are the big ones for them at the moment. i would argue you look at the tories with national service and what they've done with the pensioners, which have just been discussing. how are those things playing . okay, so what are you playing. okay, so what are you noticing as a result of some of those policies ? those policies? >> i have to say, on the labour side, which is where i think we should start, i can't see that they've actually announced any policy that is of any relevance to this election so far. policy that is of any relevance to this election so far . the to this election so far. the votes for 16, thing is, i'm sure for the next parliament, i'm not sure that's got any relevance to this campaign. they are literally getting that out there so that when they do it, it will help them in the next parliament. so that's where i think we are on that one. labour presenting themselves as an extremely small target for the conservatives, haven't announced anything really major in this campaign yet. the conservatives, on the other hand, have given two really bold offers to their core voters, some of whom have, from 2019, shifted to reform. so that would be the national

service and the quadruple lock or the triple lock . plus, as or the triple lock. plus, as it's being called on pensions, those are incredibly big bits of policy. those are very bold offers. and we'll see whether they really do shift the dial with those voters . with those voters. >> yeah. no, absolutely. and i don't want to just entirely focus on labour and the tories. we had nigel farage out on the stump today saying what the bbc would describe as some quite inflammatory things, what many other people might describe as facts actually, however unfortunate some of those may be when it comes to immigration, illegal immigration as well, and sectarian politics in this country. what do you make of how this might play with the voters? what do you see happening with reform ? >> reform? >> yeah, well, this election is being conducted at the moment against a backdrop of small boat arrivals , which pretty much look arrivals, which pretty much look like they did this time last yeah like they did this time last year. maybe they're up a bit, maybe they're down a bit in some weeks. but the conservatives have fundamentally failed to change the narrative on the small boats. and that is really

going to limit the amount of upside they've got in this campaign. the amount of tightening you'll see. maybe there's a rabbit to come out of there's a rabbit to come out of the hat. maybe a flight will go off to rwanda or something. but at the moment, nigel farage has got a pretty clear playing field. >> okay. lovely stuff . look >> okay. lovely stuff. look great to talk to you and thank you very, very much. and i really do hope to talk to you again rather a lot over this general election campaign. and yeah, thank you very much for keeping us informed as well. with all the latest polling data. that was the co—founder of the polling firm jl partners, doctor tom lubbock, coming up. well, we just heard a bit about him there. nigel farage. his dover speech exposes bbc's impartiality charade. >> nigel farage with his, customary inflammatory language. there >> but his nigel farage right to warn that mass migration is bringing sexist sectarian politics to britain. we will get stuck into that shortly . and stuck into that shortly. and elsewhere on the campaign trail, david takes a dive. down about

knags as labour's private school tax rate faces the threat of legal action, will keir starmer's alleged attack on wealth backfire ? the former wealth backfire? the former political secretary to tony blair, john mcternan , attempts blair, john mcternan, attempts to defend this controversial policy amid big calls for them to just

welcome back to patrick christys . tonight. coming up, is nigel farage right to warn that mass migration is bringing sexist sectarian politics to britain ? sectarian politics to britain? but first, labour's vat raid on private schools could be challenged in the courts if sir keir starmer wins at the general election, with the independent schools council, which represents more than 1300 schools across the uk , schools across the uk, considering legal action. now, starmer's plan to hike private school fees by 20% from day one of a labour government has become one of his flagship policies. but it comes amid

warnings that there are very few state school places available for parents looking to escape labour's tax hike, with at least eight local authorities now claiming that there are actually no spaces at all. there are also fears that the policy could end up costing the taxpayer more, with data from the independent schools council revealing that 3000 fewer pupils have joined private schools this year. and that, by the way, has cost the taxpayer a whopping £22 million. now, given that 80% of fee paying now, given that 80% of fee paying schools have said they'll have to reduce scholarships and bursaries if labour win, questions have been raised as to whether or not the policy will actually widen inequality . there actually widen inequality. there are a lot more to this and i'm very grateful to be joined by the former political secretaries tony blair, john mcternan. john, look, thank you very, very much. i mentioned some things there. i've got a couple of others here. the treasury analysis last week has found that if the policy forced 100,000 pupils back into the state sector, it would require an extra 650 million from the taxpayer every

year. million from the taxpayer every year . well, the latest is that year. well, the latest is that actually, apparently a quarter of a million pupils there or thereabouts could be dumped into thereabouts could be dumped into the state sector. this is an economic disaster, isn't it ? economic disaster, isn't it? >> this is made up nonsense figures . figures. >> why do you say that? because they were made up ones made up by the lobby. >> the industry that support private schools. and one. the other one was made up by tory special advisers. those advisory should be, you know, we should be looking for job should be, you know, we should be looking forjob opportunities be looking for job opportunities , brushing up the cvs rather than making up numbers about the labour party policy. >> i mean, so if i have a look at this, it's a new report says that sir keir starmers vat plan will mean that 224,000 pupils could leave as a result of the plans. it's double the previous estimates. you just think we should not believe the numbers . should not believe the numbers. yeah, we just shouldn't believe that. >> i think we should. i think we should just not believe the numbers. that's absolutely right. they're just nonsense . right. they're just nonsense. >> right. so your your answer to this is that we should just not believe anything. what about the knock on effect? i mean, i'm we

issue. it's not an issue. no all right. do you think that our viewers and listeners will appreciate that john. is that is thatis appreciate that john. is that is that is that what is that what laboun that is that what is that what labour. because silly. i'll tell you who it is an issue for. it is a very real issue for the people who are desperately wondering about what they're going to do with their kids is it is the eight local authorities all making it up as well? john, saying they've got no school places. are they all tories? are they no idea who these who these local authorities are? >> but the truth is the state system has capacity. it's grown and how can you say that when you don't know which the local which local authorities they are? the state system is growing in capacity since the 1900s. every time there's been a boom in demography, it's been able to accommodate kids. state system can accommodate all the kids who want to go to it, all the kids who need to go to it. and if, heaven forbid, if, heaven forbid, every single private school went bankrupt next wednesday, all the kids could be accommodated in the state system. they would do because. >> okay, well, what evidence is that? but john, what evidence is that? but john, what evidence is that about that? you've come on so far and you've said , don't

so far and you've said, don't believe the figures, some of them by the adam smith institute, as what you've said. don't don't believe the figures . don't don't believe the figures. okay. you've said also you've said you've said don't believe the local authorities. all right. so can you now do you know, john, can you do me and our viewers and our listeners the courtesy of explaining to us with some facts why you think that every single private school pupil could actually be accommodated into the state school system? >> so how about how about naming the eight local authorities? and secondly , how about dealing with secondly, how about dealing with the issue? there's no problem about putting vat on school fees. school fees have been rising in real terms, over the past decade. there's no problem about adding any price on top of that, it's a fair thing to do. and the money will be invested in state education. we know that there's loads of stories around about falling rolls in schools, and they're falling rolls in schools because there are there are fewer children being born every year. >> and there are some there are some knock on effects, though, as well. john, the average price of a house within the catchment

area of a state school rated outstanding is 13.2% higher than those that are good inspectorate's parents aren't stupid, are they? and if they've got a bit of money, which presumably in your world, everyone who sends their kids to private school is minted. so they probably would just move to that particular area that could have a disastrous knock on effect for the local housing market. as well. i mean, is that something you consider the other knock on effect as well is that a lot of private schools are unked a lot of private schools are linked to local state schools and academies. and so what they do is they share resources with them . they also share courses them. they also share courses with them. and sometimes during teacher shortages , they share teacher shortages, they share teachers with them. that would disappear, wouldn't it? these knock on effects , john. knock on effects, john. >> so i'm just i'm just interested in what you're saying. you're saying it's a bad idea for house prices to go up. i'm sure you're i'm sure, you know, that's your position. the house price is rising as a problem, i'm not sure that's agreed by all the all the people who are watching. >> okay, john, i think you are being deliberately obtuse with us on this, and our viewers. the thing is, john, you know, you are you are here as a former

political secretary to tony blair. this is a flagship labour policy. you've been presented with a tremendous opportunity to here sell this to a load of people who are really worried about it. and if you've chosen to come on and not answer any questions or provide any stats and be quite arrogant about the whole thing, that's entirely up to you. why would you want to take people out of private education and put them at the mercy of the national education union, run by a bloke called daniel corbett, who attended a marxist conference and called for an intifada , people who go for an intifada, people who go to state schools are taught by the teachers in those schools who are part of the national education union, aren't they? the lot of education union does not tell any teacher, including my son, how to teach or what to teach, they have actually wanted to change the curriculum to decolonise it. so that's not quite true, is it, john? >> oh, sorry. decolonising the curriculum is a very good idea. we need to decolonise the entire country. >> yeah, okay. and it's this kind of stuff that i wonder whether or not people might be a bit worried about. so you're not worried about the idea of the state system being swamped? you

disbelieve the figures. you're not worried about the local councils. you disbelieve them. you're not worried about the pupils being taught by a bloke or who runs a union which is marxist and has called for intifada . and you're not you're intifada. and you're not you're not worried about certain knock on effects as well, such as, house prices, etc. so? so we should all just not worry about this. it's a massive policy and no one should care about it. >> the independent institute for fiscal studies have done an assessment on the tiny number of people, and they're independent. they've assessed the tiny number of people who might make the choice. but we know that over the past decade, with increasing, fees in schools, there has been no fall off in there has been no fall off in the number of people going to the number of people going to the schools. so i'm perfectly happy the schools. so i'm perfectly happy to believe that you can raise the money. you can make the state system fairer by investing. >> do you go to did you go to a private school of course i didn't. have you got a chip on your shoulder about that? no of course i don't. >> that's ridiculous. >> that's ridiculous. >> oh, i just thought it was a relevant question, john. thank you very much. john mcternan there. who is the former political secretary to tony blair? thank you very, very

much. coming up, i speak to conservative mp greg smith as the tories are accused of prioritising pensioners over britain's youth. and there's been an interesting development with the rwanda plan, so do not miss that. but next is nigel farage right to warn that mass migration is bringing sexist, sectarian politics to britain? my sectarian politics to britain? my panel return to debate that and we're going to get your weather now with alex burkill. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. >> good evening from the met office . here's your latest gb office. here's your latest gb news weather update. whilst it is going to turn drier for most of us by the weekend, before then, we still have some thundery showers around earlier on today we had a weather system pushing its way north eastwards across the country , bringing across the country, bringing some heavy, persistent rain. for many of us, that's now starting to clear though lingering across some northeastern parts through this evening and overnight. and behind it, it isn't turning completely dry. further

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women completely excluded. >> the bbc's mask slipped nigel farage with his, customer vie inflammatory language. >> there at a reform uk press conference, rishi sunak has backed the pensioners. >> pensioners will be paying tax under any future labour government and that's a clear choice on offer at this election. >> i've got a tory mp on shortly and yes, i would describe myself as a socialist. >> i describe myself as a progressive . progressive. >> we'll also be joined by a labour frontbencher on socialism votes for kids and if there'll be a u—turn on that flagship education policy. meanwhile . education policy. meanwhile. down at davey's, desperately trying to make waves. i'm sure that keir starmer will look at the strength of feeling and he will do the right thing . and will do the right thing. and honestly, what the heck is going on with diane abbott ? it looks on with diane abbott? it looks

like she's got the labour whip back. i've got all of your front pages as well, back. i've got all of your front pages as well , with columnists pages as well, with columnists esther krakue, the journalist and political commentator jonathan lewis and conservative commentator albie amankona . oh commentator albie amankona. oh yes. and can you work out what's happening here? oren marmorstein palestine tv get ready britain, here we go . here we go. is this really the immigration election? next . election? next. >> the top stories on gb news at 10:00. pensioners could be in for a tax break. collectively worth up to £24 billion every year as part of an election pledge by the conservative party. it could see tax free allowances rising, netting

around £95 a year per pensioner, rising to £275 by 2029. the prime minister is saying it'll be funded by reclaiming money from those who deliberately evade tax. labour, though, described the plan as a desperate move. rishi sunak responded though, saying it's part of the government's broader plan. >> what i believe is that if you work hard all your life, you should have dignity in retirement . that's why we've retirement. that's why we've protected the triple lock, which is going up by £900 this year for pensioners. but today what we've announced is the triple lock. plus we're going to increase the personal allowance for pensioners delivering a tax cut worth around £100 to millions of pensioners, demonstrating our commitment to them, making sure that we can deliver a secure future for them. and in contrast, the labour party have said they oppose that policy, which means pensioners will be paying tax under any future labour government. and that's a clear choice on offer at this election i >> -- >> rishi sunak speaking earlier on this afternoon. well, the shadow chancellor has told gb

news that pensioners are in fact paying news that pensioners are in fact paying more tax because of rishi sunaks government . rachel reeves sunaks government. rachel reeves used her first major speech of the election campaign today to spotlight the much criticised mini—budget of the former prime minister, liz truss, which she blamed for costing homeowners around £240 more every month. speaking to gb news political editor chris hope, miss reeves said wages remain flat and taxpayers are being asked to pay more for less. >> everything that i put forward will be fully costed and fully funded because i will never play fast and loose with the public finances because when you do so, you put family finances and pensioners finances in peril. and the conservatives are now adding bauble after bauble to the christmas tree without any idea of how they're going to fund these new commitments. yesterday they said they were going to use this money to create national service scheme. today they're saying they'll use the same pot of money to give a

tax break for pensioners . well, tax break for pensioners. well, the reason that pensioners are paying the reason that pensioners are paying more tax today is because of decisions by this conservative prime minister by rachel reeves. >> now a man has been arrested on suspicion of murder after a woman was fatally stabbed on a beach in bournemouth in dorset . beach in bournemouth in dorset. police were called to reports that two women from poole had been stabbed last friday night. a 34 year old woman named in media reports as amy grey was pronounced dead at the scene, while a 38 year old was taken to hospital with serious injuries and is still receiving treatment. the mayor of london has criticised the government's failure to introduce a total ban on so—called zombie knives, calling it a betrayal of the safety of young people. sadiq khanis safety of young people. sadiq khan is calling on the home secretary to bring forward the legislation , which would include legislation, which would include a ban on the sale of the weapon. he says the government isn't taking the crisis seriously enough and that he's set aside

more than £150 million in the capital for policing and crime prevention . and lastly, pope prevention. and lastly, pope francis has had to apologise for using an offensive word to describe gay men after reports appeared in italian media, two of the country's biggest newspapers reported that he used the slur when suggesting there were too many gay people in priesthood colleges. he's in the past told bishops to be carefully vetting new priests and reject any suspected homosexuals. the vatican says the pope didn't intend to use any homophobic language, and he apologised to anyone who was offended. that's the news. for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts. scan the qr code on your screen or go to news.com.au alerts . news.com.au alerts. >> the general election is the battle for britain and today nigel farage made it clear that he thinks this is the immigration election. he spoke

about the channel migrant crisis. >> i've actually filmed this. i've filmed on the 12 mile median line. people throwing their iphones into the sea, throwing their passports into the sea, doing everything they can so that we can't track and identify them. although it's okay because they get an iphone, a new one within 24 hours of arrival . but i a new one within 24 hours of arrival. but i think this is a national security issue . national security issue. >> he also said mass immigration is leading to sectarian politics, and you might have noficed politics, and you might have noticed that angela rayner yesterday was campaigning in her constituency, begging, begging a group of muslim leaders to please vote labour. >> you'll have noticed not a single woman in the room . so single woman in the room. so we're moving into an age in our inner cities and towns. i'm afraid i'm worried , to say, of afraid i'm worried, to say, of sectarian politics with women completely excluded .

completely excluded. >> he was pressed on this by reporters who demanded to know what he thought british values were. >> i didn't talk about british values. you did on sunday. well, i think women i think women playing a part. i mean, you're here, which is interesting because if you were an angela rayner meeting, i doubt you'd be welcome. and indeed, if you see the victory, if you see the victory , you see the victory victory, you see the victory celebrations for the local councillors from burnley to bradford to leeds to elsewhere. no women . the idea that i'm no women. the idea that i'm saying this is all british muslims is absolute nonsense. let's remind ourselves now of that angela rayner clip . that angela rayner clip. >> i know that people are angry about what's happening in the middle east. and i said live on tv and i say to this day, if me resigning as an mp now would bnng resigning as an mp now would bring a ceasefire, no, i would do it. i would do it. >> well, this is how bbc newsreader greta guru—murthy, whose brother krishnan a

complete coincidence , of course, complete coincidence, of course, reads the news on channel 4, reacted to nigel's speech . reacted to nigel's speech. >> he has said that this is now a matter of national security. >> nigel farage with his, customary inflammatory language there at a reform uk press conference. >> not particularly neutral there. the apology followed nigel farage now an apology earlier today we heard live from nigel farage speaking at that election event we just saw, and when we came away from his live speech, i used language to describe it, which didn't meet the bbc's editorial standards on impartiality. >> i would like to apologise to mr farage and viewers for this and today a picture emerged that nigel might claim proves his point somewhat. >> the man who came third in the west midlands mayoral contest is stunning to be the mp in birmingham ladywood. here is his campaign poster. birmingham ladywood. here is his campaign poster . okay, so you've campaign poster. okay, so you've got the palestinian colours there and the slogan lend gaza

your vote, all right. and labour mp naz shah gave an election broadcast that certainly was not in english. >> so abby, abby, prime minister rishi sunak, alan kar diya hai hamara samaa election. general election . shah, tariq. july. election. shah, tariq. july. shah tariq. koh sabina nessa . shah tariq. koh sabina nessa. >> is it inflammatory to talk about sectarianism in britain? a failure of integration, assimilation and multiculturalism? or is it just stating facts? let's get the thoughts on my panel this evening. i have got columnist and broadcaster esther krakue. i have got journalist jonathan lees and gb news contributor and conservative commentator albie amankona. esther, i will start with you this time. do you think it's wrong for nigel to point out sectarianism in british politics? perhaps an increased amount of it? >> i don't think it's wrong. i do think it's strange because there's a bigger, easier issue to target here. yes, he is right. of course, there's a rise

of sectarianism, but the fundamental point is that if you have huge swathes of people coming into the country, it's difficult to integrate them properly, regardless of what their face or their background is. it's obviously more difficult for people with certain cultural backgrounds. of course, that is the case. but there's a fundamental point here which you could easily make without having to say these kinds of things and have the media sort of pigeonhole him as an islamophobe, which is if you have more people in the country and our public services are not able to sustain those kinds of those numbers of people, everyone is going to have a worse quality of life. you're going to have wages depressed, you're going to have longer nhs waiting lists. people can't get at home. you can literally see graphs of how the fact that immigration has increased by 7 million since 1997, and how that has impacted house prices, how that has impacted nhs waiting lists, education, all these things, these are the central points to make to talk about these sort of identitarian issues, which are which are true are not fundamental to the fact that actually we are sharing an increasingly smaller and smaller pie with more people. it doesn't make sense. it doesn't need to go down this route. i mean, he

is valid, but i'm just saying there's a more fundamental issue here you can address. >> jonathan, i'll bring you into this. when we do look at some of those victory events like nigel was alluding to. there or we do look at some of the things that angela rayner or even actually some of the campaign rallies for george galloway in rochdale. it was almost entirely men around there. is there a concern that actually , amongst certain actually, amongst certain communities who are now arguably becoming more politically empowered , that women's rights empowered, that women's rights don't really exist that much? >> well , i don't really exist that much? >> well, i think it's a grotesque thing to say. we have female labour and female muslim labour mps in this country. i can think of at least three. i think conservatives it might be right. what right? but the point remains then. so it's not just left wing people either. so to say that sort of muslim women are not sort of politically active or engaged in this country or somehow barred from their community, from being the prominent members of their community is just absolute nonsense. it's deeply offensive. i'm sorry, but nigel farage has a history of making sexist comments himself . he said a history of making sexist comments himself. he said a breastfeeding mothers should sit

in the corner . working mothers in the corner. working mothers are worthless, he said. maybe it's because i've got so many women pregnant over the years. i have a different view of maternity leave. this is a man who has no. >> can i just politely say to you, i really hope he has said those things otherwise you will be hearing from nigel farage, his lawyers, quite soon, imagine. >> well, that was that was quoted in the daily mirror. so i got the article in the daily mirror. these are comments he's made in the past on anti—semitism. you know, he's been criticised by the board of depufies been criticised by the board of deputies of british jews for making anti—semitic dog whistles . he's obviously made. >> does that mean that what he's saying now isn't true , though? saying now isn't true, though? because you can you can come at him for those things, but is what he's saying about this now wrong? that massive, rapid levels of immigration is increasing sectarian politics? because i would argue we can actually see that . actually see that. >> well, i mean, what is it? what is sectarian politics mean ? what is sectarian politics mean? i would argue that no one has done more for the politics of division and cynicism. but come on, is he? >> i get what you mean. i get where you're coming from with nigel. that's fine. that's that's your view. okay. but on

this issue, is he right? are we seeing an increase in sectarian politics? >> well, i'm trying to understand what what you're getting at with that question are we? do we have a divided society in this country? absolutely. is there a problem with, sort of race relations in this country? i would argue, yes. and i would argue that's coming from the very top, think. >> i think the central point he's making here is about integration, which is kind of the buzzword here. yes. if you if you have loads of people coming in in a short space of time, it's harder to integrate them. but even if you had a few smaller numbers or few of them , smaller numbers or few of them, how do you integrate them properly? if you come into britain, you have to sign up to british values. and clearly there are groups of people in this country that are living parallel lives alongside each other that haven't adopted that. that's the point he's making, except very, very could i, could i ask i'll be your opinion on whether or not it should be considered a national security issue, what's taking place in the channel? >> because that was that was another feature of what he was saying. there >> yes. i think clearly an argument can be made to say if there are undocumented people coming across the channel, we

don't know their background, we don't know their background, we don't know their background, we don't know anything about them that could pose a security risk. but to answer your question about, are we seeing a rise of sectarian politics in this country? no, i don't think we are seeing a rise in sectarian politics in this country any more than we have done in the past. i slightly agree with what jonathan is saying here. actually. i think it's very inflammatory and quite dangerous to start saying things like, we are seeing a rise in sectarian politics in britain, where women are being excluded from politics when there are muslim women in politics, there are lots of women in politics in this country. okay. and then you had a go at a politician speaking urdu , and you know why she was urdu, and you know why she was speaking urdu, patrick? because i didn't have a go at her. >> i was saying that that is something that happened. >> hang on. i'll tell you why. they speak urdu. and in some languages and in some communities, maybe communities that aren't as well integrated, it's quite often the women that won't be able to speak english, so they can't take part. why in democracy that is that is wrong. >> why is that? >> why is that? >> that is wrong, why >> why is that? >> that is wrong , why that >> why is that? >> that is wrong, why that is wrong. >> but speak english. i'll be. >> but speak english. i'll be. >> i've said that's wrong.

they've not integrated. >> but the point is, you can't. you can't. on the one hand, there's no problem, okay? >> there's not a problem with women's rights amongst certain communities. but there is a problem with women in those communities. no. not be. and why don't they? patrick? could it possibly be because those women don't leave the home that much? >> patrick i just said it's wrong because i've just said it's wrong. >> but you can't on the one hand, say it's wrong for that politician to speak urdu when actually that is a direct appeal. >> i'm not saying women, it's wrong for her to. >> and then on the other hand, say there's a rise in sectarian politics where it's being exclusionary. >> and also it's not just that that's making his point, though, because if there's a rise of sectarian politics, it's because of these groups of people that haven't integrated properly on that point. >> actually, there's, 48% of pakistani and bangladeshi women in this country are economically inactive, which is between the ages of 60 and 16 and 64, which means they're not looking for work and they're not in employment. so that that is also a fair point with regards to sort of how these communities treat women. well and how that affects their politics. and what are those politics actually reflect reflect british values. you can have whatever opinions

you want, but you have to sign up. >> i don't think that we i think it's i just really, really baulk at singling out communities. there are all kinds of problems with integration. there are integration problems in the ultra—orthodox jewish community in north london. there are pockets of other communities that might have been here for a long time, from east asia, for example , you know, in other example, you know, in other south asian communities where people might have been here for a long time and don't necessarily the language doesn't mean they're not british or integrating other. >> i just actually that's exactly what it means. >> okay, guys, can i just i just pause because i believe that i might be able to show you something that is literally happening right now in whitehall, in come . whitehall, in come. on. all right. okay. so apparently thatis all right. okay. so apparently that is an ongoing event in whitehall at the moment where police are swooping in on a

pro—palestine event. we are seeing this more and more and more now. i mean , albie, do you more now. i mean, albie, do you do you still honestly not think that sectarianism is an issue that sectarianism is an issue thatis that sectarianism is an issue that is nothing to do with sectarianism ? sectarianism? >> they are protesting for peace and we know we all work in news. patrick. what about we know what's happening in raqqa at the moment and people are angry about it. it's perfectly reasonable for people to protest on the streets of london because they're angry about thousands of people dying in palestine. >> so what about the group , the >> so what about the group, the political active group, the muslim vote .co.uk ? is that not muslim vote .co.uk? is that not sectarianism, then? >> i don't know what the muslim vote .co.uk is. there are christian groups in politics. there are jewish groups in politics. i'm part. i get involved in things like conservative friends of israel, for example. would you call that sectarian politics? look, i don't like religion in politics at all. i think we should keep religion out of politics. but you can't just say it's an issue when muslims get politically

active and have their own groups and not other religions as well, when there are many. >> and i think i completely agree with what albie just said, i'm very happy to say. and also, i'm very happy to say. and also, i think that there is such a double standard across the political discourse in this country that so often if you take a statement that a politician says about a muslim person and apply any other ethnicity to that, there would be such an outcry. but particularly in the conservative party, there seems to be a blank check for islamophobia. what sayeeda warsi famously called the dinner party test, where it's acceptable to be islamophobic at a dinner party where it wouldn't be for any other ethnicity. >> so you do think there is an issue when it comes to women in some cases? >> well, in certain communities, yes . well, i think but i think yes. well, i think but i think the broader point is, is, is poor integration of many ethnic minority groups. you saw that outburst of violence amongst sort of ethiopian groups that were pro and anti—government . were pro and anti—government. why do we need to see that in london? they're not in ethiopia, right? i don't think you can just apply that logic. yes. that is it is true that a certain muslim groups are struggle with integration or have an integrated properly, but i think you can cast that wide net that net a much wider. all right.

>> lovely stuff guys. a rip roaring start to the hour. thank you very much. coming up angela rayner has been cleared of criminal wrongdoing by the police. but has the investigation now been handed to hmrc? is the labour deputy out of the woods yet? plus it continues to be backs to the wall for rishi sunak's campaign team . my panel react to that and team. my panel react to that and the very first of tomorrow's newspaper front pages. but before that , facing the right before that, facing the right way this time rishi sunak did make a big pitch to win over the so—called silver vote. >> pensioners will be paying tax under any future labour government , and that's the clear government, and that's the clear choice on offer at this election i >> -- >> but is he putting pensioners before young people? i put that to conservative mp greg smith. that's right. after this

welcome back to patrick christys tonight on gb news still to come, i will bring you the very first of tomorrow's newspaper front pages with tonight's lively panel. and we'll be speaking to a labour frontbencher . but the frontbencher. but the conservative party has made two flagship policy announcements that have pitted the young against the old, vowing to bring in mandatory national service for 18 year olds while also promising a new quadruple lock to guarantee retirees won't pay income tax on their pensions. this pension guarantee alone is expected to cost the taxpayer around £25 billion. i'm joined now by tory mp greg smith. greg, thank you very much. great to have you on the show. this pensions quadruple lock or triple lock plus or whatever it

is. how do you respond to allegations that you have prioritised pensioners over young people ? young people? >> so i really don't think it's a case of that. patrick. it's we haven't got the full manifesto yet. i'm sure it's going to be absolutely packed with offers for every age group in our country . but there is something country. but there is something that has been fundamentally unfair in the last few months when it comes to pensioners who have found themselves paying tax when they were never really expecting that their personal allowance to drag them into tax, given the 8.5% increase to pensions through the triple lock this year. and i think it is right. it's something i've raised with the chancellor before, and i think it's right that we do have this offer. that means that pensioners shouldn't have to pay income tax as their state pension goes up. but we equally do need a solid offer for young people as well. when you look back at some of the things this government has done in terms of increasing the number of apprenticeships, increasing educational opportunities through things like t levels , i think we like t levels, i think we actually do have a good background to come at this from,

and we need to push that offer to ensure that young people understand. >> i mean, i think with respect, i think you probably aren't going to have to push that quite a bit because this national service stuff, i mean, who is exempt from national service? i mean , what if you have a full mean, what if you have a full time job? what if you're playing football for england at the world cup? >> look, these are fair questions. and it's a policy that's only come out in the last 24 hours or so. i think it is important to draw this distinction between it's not just about saying you've got to be in the army for a year. there is the option of the community service once a month. that's a build on the national citizen service scheme that came in under the coalition government that actually when you talk to a lot of young people, they've really valued being able to take part in that scheme . it's part in that scheme. it's clearly a policy that's got to have the tires kicked on it quite a bit to ensure that we've we've got it right. but i think it's very important that people understand it is not about telling every young person they've got to spend a year. >> no, i do get that. but i think for some people as well, though, and i am going to press

you on this really, which is do we know who is exempt if an 18 year old has a full time job, you know , and they are working you know, and they are working five days a week and they are contributing to the economy in that way, are they still going to have to do one weekend a month delivering prescriptions to pensioners? and again, you know, look, this might seem like an egregious example of this, but it is one nonetheless. if an 18 year old copy manu at manchester united, is he going to be is he going to be, you know, doing search and rescue at the weekends? is he . the weekends? is he. >> look, i think the clear answer, patrick, is no. and if we win this general election, we're in government. and this legislation to introduce it is in front of the house of commons. i can certainly say that i would be backing any amendment to ensure that certain people are exempt from this. to follow through your sporting example , you know me. you know i example, you know me. you know i love formula one. well, lots of racing drivers are actually 16, 17, 18, 19. and i wouldn't want to see the next generation of british talent in motorsport held back by this. so i think, you know, it's a piece of legislation for the future that

would have the tires kicked on it. and i think it's right that it. and i think it's right that it should be shaped by people who understand that there are some people that probably should be exempt from that. >> yeah. i mean, the latest polling did show that 42% net were in favour compared to, i think it was 38. no. so, you know, there's some merit in it possibly there. look on it on immigration though, i do actually have a tweet from nigel farage that i would just like to bnng farage that i would just like to bring up on the screen. so nigel has decided to articulate, illegal immigration through the medium of an old school wall time graphic. there he he is calling this an invasion. would you call the illegal immigration on our south coast an invasion ? on our south coast an invasion? >> the volume of illegal migrants crossing the channel at the hands of the people smugglers is outrageous. it is unacceptable. we have passed three bits of legislation to try and clamp down on it. the lefty lawyers have found the loopholes in pretty much all of them. look, i speak as a backbencher.

i signed all the amendments to put in the notwithstanding clauses to make that legislation tougher to try and get around the ability for those lawyers and those those very wealthy lefties to be able to challenge the government through this . the government through this. sadly, those amendments weren't there. we clearly do have to take action. you are. >> you are apparently just on this. the news, the news that landed, the news that landed, mr smith in the last couple of hours. this really was apparently the high court has now asked you to clarify when the first flights to rwanda are going to take off, because the government told the courts that it wouldn't be in july. but now rishi sunak is openly saying that it will be the public could be forgiven for not really trusting your party when it comes to rwanda, couldn't they? >> well, we've passed three bits of legislation. we were the ones that pioneered the rwanda economic partnership. other countries are looking to follow us in a similar schemes with rwanda and other safe third countries. the world is waking up that we need these partnerships in order to tackle the illegal flow of migrants , the illegal flow of migrants, largely at the hands of people

smugglers, abusing people , in smugglers, abusing people, in our case, in the waters of the engush our case, in the waters of the english channel. we've passed the legislation, but we are being constantly frustrated by the courts. so the answer, i'm afraid, is probably to make the legislation tougher. and maybe we were right first time when we put forward those notwithstanding very, very quickly and very finally, rishi sunak has come out and said that he's talking to boris johnson again, apparently. >> do you think you should bring back boris for this campaign? >> look, boris has got great charismatic values. i know that when i've seen him campaigning, people love him. i've seen people love him. i've seen people come up to him in the most unlikely places, wanting selfies with him and whooping and cheering. i think boris would be fantastic to have on the campaign trail. >> all right, greg, thank you very much. that's greg smith there conservative mp look coming up ed davey makes the only splash of his election campaign so far. going down. plus are the tories about to launch their secret weapon when it comes to boris and i said it

a lot during the summer that i'm very proud of the things that we did together. >> but will you call him ? >> but will you call him? >> but will you call him? >> well, will we be seeing boris johnson back on the campaign trail? but first, though, we do bnng trail? but first, though, we do bring you a first look at tomorrow's newspaper front pages. they are hot off the press and i've got a labour frontbencher coming up very shortly as well. lots

welcome back to patrick christys. tonight i have got the front pages for you. now let's do it . all right. what are they do it. all right. what are they all kicking off with today? the metro locking horns town battle rages over pensions. labour slammed sunak's triple lock plus as he claims reeves will cost every family two k. yet another big dividing line now at this election, let's go to the daily mail. tory vow to ban rip off university degrees by changing the law. interestingness up to 1 in 8 students could see mickey

mouse courses axed in radical plan to fund 100,000 new apprenticeships are calling it now. this is going to be a story that i will be covering a heck of a lot on tomorrow's show. i think the issue of mickey mouse degrees versus apprenticeships is something that a lot of people hold dear. certainly when they see their student loans every single year, and they also go as police drop the rain . a go as police drop the rain. a council house probe, she faces a fresh row over a pledge to recognise palestine. let's shift on to the times sunak plans university cuts to boost apprentices. so they're leading with it as well. they've also got, it's an interesting one, a labour bars diane abbott from standing as its candidate. yeah okay. but as i understand it she's still got the whip back. it is. well we'll talk about this a bit later on but it's a little bit of a mess. let's go to the guardian. israeli spy chief threatened icc over sorry icc official over war crimes inquiry . they've also got inquiry. they've also got a story here. labour vows to clear nhs waiting lists in five years. well, that will be fascinating to see exactly what their plan is to do, that the ai triple

lock plus to save retirees 20 8pa week on state pension. i think they're taking a sideways look at that tory policy, aren't they? rishi sunak's proposed new triple lock protections would save retirees 20 8pa week, apparently. let's go to the telegraph now. just round off this particular tranche of newspaper front pages. sunak i'm talking to johnson about the election in an exclusive interview, the pm declares that he is a thatcherite and defends his national service policy. i am joined, as ever, by a columnist and broadcaster esther krakow, journalist jonathan ulez and gb news contributor albie amankona. so yes, look, here is what rishi sunak said to the telegraph about boris johnson earlier today when it comes to boris. >> and i said it a lot during the summer that i'm very proud of the things that we did together. >> but will you call him? oh, we've been in touch, actually. yeah, we were in touch. yeah, we were in touch just the other day actually talking about the risk that starmer would pose to our country's security and is he going to hit the campaign trail damage. he would do. well look

that that that's a question for him. he's a busy guy as well. but we were in touch. we were in touch. yes, exactly, well, as we know only too well, boris is a man who does know how to win an election. but do you think they need him on this campaign trail? >> no, i don't think they need bofis >> no, i don't think they need boris on this campaign trail. it would always be nice to have bofis would always be nice to have boris help in a campaign. he is, after all, very good at winning elections. he's just very bad at the bit in between. rishi sunak also said that boris johnson was also said that boris johnson was a thatcherite , but i'm not a thatcherite, but i'm not really sure on what metric anyone could describe. boris johnson , it's just it's like johnson, it's just it's like collective amnesia. it's nonsense . he's very good at nonsense. he's very good at winning elections, not very much else . so that's all. else. so that's all. >> i was good at winning an election against jeremy corbyn. okay. >> that's exactly he was number one. >> the london mayoral election. >> the london mayoral election. >> yeah. he won london by being this sort of liberal progressive. then he sort of, you know, in the 90s he was a hanging and flogging conservative who hated single mothers. then he became this like this trendy urban , like like this trendy urban, like cameron knight, cameron knight, green tory, then he went to

being this sort of right wing brexit supporting rwanda, deporting boris johnson, right wing boris johnson is not anything he's in favour of the boris. he's the leader of the bofis boris. he's the leader of the boris johnson party. that's the whole point. >> he won because, i mean labour were absolutely bending over backwards to get rid of boris johnson because despite, despite all of what you've said there, which you know is there is, by the way, a lot of merit to some of the things that you guys have said. he is a force at an election campaign. and i daresay you know why , because he's the you know why, because he's the only politician with a personality for a very long time i >>i -- >> i think hm >> i think the one thing we have to also bear in mind that sort of 2019, jeremy corbyn, he was also not a popular politician then, and people have still not forgiven him. now. we have to remember , patrick, that the remember, patrick, that the origins of the conservative's current disaster started with partygate. in fact, owen paterson a month before that , paterson a month before that, the conservatives had not been aheadin the conservatives had not been ahead in a single poll conducted anywhere in the uk since november 2021 that started and was really accelerated by partygate, then finished off by liz truss . liz truss. >> i would argue it was also

really accelerated, by the way, that the media went after a little bit of cake and some cheese and some wine, but well that's, well, that's you can take it up with the british people because they did not like it. okay all right. i think that was slightly overplayed. but anyway let's just go to the, the front of the daily mail. tory vowed to ban rip off university degrees by by changing the law. now, i actually think this is quite interesting. okay, so mickey mouse degrees are something that a heck of a lot of stick people end up getting saddled with a lifetime of student debt. apprenticeships are practical trades that i think that there is at times a bit of a stigma against. as to what do you make of this in principle, i know we're only getting a surface look at this right now, but should more people be be encouraged towards apprenticeships as opposed to underwater basket weaving at bath spa? >> i mean, that's an actual degree, but that's of course they should, but i think that there are two separate issues here. one, you should let universities fail if they're not good enough. this whole idea of importing a bunch of students on overpriced degrees that are basically worthless, to give them a backdoor way into the uk, i think that's actually criminal. and there's also should be something criminal

about saddling 18 year olds with tens of thousands of pounds worth of debt for pointless degrees. but on the apprenticeship point, i don't think it should just start with universities. i think it should go even before that. i think the idea of, you know, making it mandatory for 16 year olds to be in full time education, i think actually work is a form of education, and i think they should probably find a way to target this towards 16 year olds and, and streamline them into, into a profession a lot more easily. >> yeah , i'm just reading into >> yeah, i'm just reading into this a bit now and there'll be a lot more on this tomorrow, but a new law will grant powers to the office for students, the independent regulator. well, well, that's that's a topic in itself, actually. but the office for students, the independent regulator of higher education, to choose, underperforming courses to stop students being sold a fake dream. so, i mean, essentially it is stopping students being , well, they say students being, well, they say anyway, being sold al fayed. of course this all started under blad, isn't it? >> you should close. >> you should close. >> look, i really resent the kind of conversation that suggests that university education should be for a narrow elite of british society over

seemingly middle class. obviously, a lot of them are privately educated as well, and that people should know their place in this country and that people shouldn't have aspirations to higher education. >> no one is saying no, no, i'm not saying you're saying that. >> i'm saying that a lot of this conversation is mediated around those assumptions. and actually, i think it's been a great thing that we've expanded university education, which i started under john major. here's the thing. >> the argument that university should be a tool for social mobility is absolutely spot on. yes, you're right, but the point is, it's not a tool for social mobility when over half of young people have them. and you have 21 year olds coming out of university with about £50,000 worth of debt, there's nothing socially mobile about starting off life so much. >> i would love to have free tuition on supporter free tuition. >> it's also about the value of these degrees in the workplace and i understand the point about saying, oh, let's open up university. but if they're doing a degree which doesn't actually get them a high paying job after, that's not social mobility . exactly. mobility. exactly. >> i also think that as well. >> i also think that as well. >> look, i don't think we not not everything needs to be about sort of high paid jobs. i mean ,

sort of high paid jobs. i mean, you know, a lot of people do very academic jobs that are not highly paid, that doesn't that's not what that's not it's not a degree is an investment. >> you're investing investment you're investing in. if you're paying you're investing in. if you're paying £50,000 and then earning 21,000, there are high skilled jobs that are not well—paid. >> and that's a different conversation. >> let's just let's just whizz on because i want to squeeze this in as well. so today, the police confirm that they have dropped their investigation into angela rayner over whether she failed to pay tax on her former council house. but a greater manchester police spokesman said this matters involving council tax and personal tax do not fall into the jurisdiction of policing. gmp has liaised with stockport council and information about our investigation has been shared with them. details of our investigation have also been shared with his majesty's revenue and customs. so no evidence of criminality and she has always denied any wrongdoing. but she's not out of the woods yet. alby, is she ? the woods yet. alby, is she? >> no, she's not out of the woods. but i almost resent that we're having this conversation , we're having this conversation, anne, because you spoke earlier on about the cake and that being quite trivial. and i do think that's trivial, but i almost

think there's going after politicians for these small, minor things that all people do and people did during the pandemic is this really what we want politics to be, or do we want politics to be, or do we want to be focusing on the things that really matter? this doesn't really matter to anyone. kate didn't matter to anyone. it wasn't. >> it does not true it. so can we just nail it? >> consequential. because if she if she didn't pay taxes it was maximum about £2,000. so that is inconsequential . but it's the inconsequential. but it's the fact that it's her. and she's always been sort of righteous and sanctimonious about other politicians, and she's always been the first person to say this person should resign over this person should resign over this discrepancy and that person should resign. so it's a bit of poetic justice. but yes, it is. it is wrong. well, she didn't do any wrong and it's pointless because even if she didn't pay tax, she well, she is. >> she said that hmrc is says she doesn't have any back tax to pay- she doesn't have any back tax to pay. look, this whole thing patrick was a smear campaign by tory mps who are accusing actually. >> yeah because i think. and then i'll get you to talk over it. right. so we've got i believe this is what you tweeted earlier. correct me if i'm wrong, that's angela rayner. oh sorry i've got angela rayner is

first. there we go. sorry. the tories desperate tactics have been exposed for what they are and for all to see. they fail once again. but i do. >> i do believe you did mention i did, i did, i did, i said that, that this whole it's the tories are completely offended and outraged by a left wing working class woman who doesn't know her. nonsense. well, that is not nonsense. they are the worst. the worst thing. the worst. the worst thing. the worst thing, patrick, is the greater manchester police , greater manchester police, basically have admitted that they've consciously intervened in politics on behalf of the conservative party. anyone could have said that. he didn't take it. a too much should be investigated for, though. no, no, no no, no one is saying that it was obvious from the very start that this statement makes perfectly clear that so many of these things that she's been accused of are outside the remit of the police that didn't need an investigation to work out. that should have been obvious at the start. oh, this is crime that she's been accused of. that's not our business. what she was accused of , which is she was accused of, which is a false declaration, was actually outside the statute of

limitations after a year. and that, again , could have been that, again, could have been established within 10s. it didn't need a police investigation. this was aiding and abetting the conservative party using the police force to attack a political opponent is a complete outrage, and the police need to come forward and explain whether . what exactly. no, i'm sorry. >> she i think she is a massive statement. >> what she could what she could have been. >> what was the crime she will be shouting at their television screens now, jonathan saying, what about durham? what about beer and korma? what about all of that? >> another another thing that was completely ludicrous and there was no case for the flip side of that, of course, is to do is to say the exact opposite of what you've just said there, which is that a labour, police and crime commissioner would have wanted to sweep that under the rug. >> now, i'm not saying that. i'm just saying that's the opposite of what you've just said. and i think when we get into that kind of territory, it gets a bit risky. we're all going to be heanng risky. we're all going to be hearing the liberal democrat leader, ed davey, who's been out in the lake district today trying to get media attention in any way possible. should we have any way possible. should we have a little look at david? go.

>> oh, yeah . >> oh, yeah. >> oh, yeah. >> oh, yeah. >> oh my physio, are you enjoying this? honestly oh. two down. >> on the bafta goes to. yes. there we go. i mean that was do you think that was. you think that was fake. >> yeah it's fake. of course it was fun. >> but guys we're talking about ed davey. >> i was talking about it. >> i was talking about it. >> we were talking about ed davey. otherwise, you know, it was. >> it was funny. it was well played. it showed his human side. it was well played. >> when he comes down with dysentery in a couple of days time, because they've been pumping for the lib dems and dems are simultaneously claiming that windermere is full of poo because the tories are pumping our waterways full of sewage and they've just dropped ed davey right in the middle of it. there's a joke in there somewhere, but i won't make it. we're in an election period. you know, this could be interesting to see. no, i mean, although you're right, though, it's a stunt. it's a gimmick. >> it is a stunt. it's a gimmick. look, no one talks about ed davey otherwise. so he's got a he's got his headline. he's got us talking about it. well done. ed davey.

he might need some daylight though afterwards. yeah, honestly. >> oh, gosh. bless him. >> oh, gosh. bless him. >> it's not the first time he's done this though because there is there is he's got form for this. so he's, we can have a little look at it now. >> remarkable. they're trying to make out this is some great policy. when they were the ones who increased taxes on pensioners in the first place by not raising allowance, it was the liberal democrats who fought hard to increase the income tax allowance to help pensioners and help people on low incomes. and the conservatives froze those tax allowances . so i don't think tax allowances. so i don't think pensioners or anyone else is going to be fooled by the conservatives having broken their promise, having raised taxes now suddenly just before election, saying they're going to do something different . to do something different. >> yeah, well, i thought we were going to show you another ed davey stunt there. that was actually him talking about a policy. so there you go. but anyway, right up next, diane abbott, diane abbott has been banned from standing as a candidate for the labour party at the next general election. is this going to create an almighty row within the party? and there are serious rumours that keir starmer lied about this particular investigation into diane abbott. i am joined

hopefully by the shadow financial secretary to the treasury, james murray, to get some answers. don't go anywhere.

welcome back to patrick christys . tonight, it's time to return to the pay per view. just a heads up. we are hoping to get labour frontbencher james murray in a matter of moments, but i have got some more front pages for you. in the meantime. i've got the mirror first. here. cops drop rainer, probe . home sale drop rainer, probe. home sale claims are binned in yet another blow for rishi sunak. there's also a picture there of maya jama. stormzy, the king of me, love island, pages 12 and 13. oh, it's a page turner. daily express pm axe to fall on university rip off degrees. rishi's plan to boost young people's skills with 100,000 new apprenticeships. well this will

be interesting to see how this, how this plays actually, frankly. so rishi sunak is vowing to essentially do away with what many people might regard as meaningless university degrees that are sold, arguably under false pretences to young people , and maybe try to smash people, and maybe try to smash that stigma of practical trades. well, i'm joined again by my panel well, i'm joined again by my panel. we've got columnist and broadcaster esther krakue, journalist jonathan lewis and gb news contributor albie amankona . news contributor albie amankona. one of the topics that has been quite a big story today , i think quite a big story today, i think diane abbott. now, there's been a bit of kind of odd hokey cokey about diane abbott. so there was some kind of investigation into some kind of investigation into some of the allegedly anti—semitic comments that she made, amongst other things, as well , we were told made, amongst other things, as well, we were told originally that they would wait for the results of that investigation, and it was still ongoing . now and it was still ongoing. now it's emerged that that investigation apparently finished five months ago. then it was the way it was reported today was that she lost the whip. then she got the whip back. but she's been banned from standing. i mean, this is a bit of circus, isn't it? >> yeah. it is, i mean, the thing is, they're trying to make

her leave her dignity, clearly. but that ship has sailed. i think the way they treated her was terrible. i think they should a few years ago, forced her to just stand down because she's made a lot of mistakes. and i think to treat you know, the first female black mp that this country has had in that way, regardless of what party you have, is actually quite disgraceful. i think she's someone that should have been allowed to retire from politics with dignity and not been subject to the games of keir starmer, and him trying to basically find a convenient way to silence her. and, you know, i just, i think , yeah, she's made just, i think, yeah, she's made a lot of mistakes, but i wish we didn't see it because i think it's a stain on her reputation that i don't think is necessary. >> well, that's interesting because some i take that, but i think some people might say , think some people might say, well, what she said was anti—semitic and was . anti—semitic and was. >> yeah, of course, but and that is that we used to have respect for our elders . i mean, at some, for our elders. i mean, at some, at some point, at some point in the past, we used to actually have a respect for our elders. we used to cringe at them, seeing them disgraced and embarrassed and humiliated when it was avoidable if you could tell them to. just the question for sir kara. >> yeah, the question, i think a big question for sir keir starmer. i was hoping to put

this to james murray, but apparently he's just been on newsnight, is it about whether or not keir starmer is lied about? yes, because the point is, is it since come to our knowledge that this investigation finished five months ago and i mean, the fact that that the investigation over this observer letter that she wrote, i think it was a couple of paragraphs, how can that take as long as it took to investigate whatever that problem was? >> i agree with lester on the point about, diana abbott being treated badly, but she did also make a mistake. and i think we have to decide as a society, our society , are we a society that society, are we a society that wants to forgive people, that makes mistakes and then apologises for them or doesn't ? apologises for them or doesn't? are we that society or not? i know what i prefer , yeah, know what i prefer, yeah, jonathan, i mean, yeah, it is it is this point of whether, if it is this point of whether, if it is that sir keir starmer has known that this review is finished five months ago. well, we've been lied to about that, haven't we? and why is it only happening now? why is it happening? why is this happening now? you know. well, she's she's been banned from standing. we're

in the run up to a general election campaign. >> obviously it's happening right now because parliament is being dissolved on thursday and the question is whether she will be a labour mp when she leaves parliament. look, i actually agree with a lot of what both of you have said. i think that it's disgraceful the way that she's been treated. i think that she, after being in for parliament 37 years, should have had the right to decide whether she wanted to, even if she has been anti—semitic. >> she's made a lot of she's made a lot of mistakes, been in parliament for 37 years. >> that kind of public service should mean something. >> i actually agree, i actually agree with what albie has said, that we do have a system. we should have a system where people can, apologise and, and, and correct their actions. >> so what if nigel farage said sorry for all the things you don't like now, would you just forgive him? >> well, i would depend on what context he was apologising for, what he was apologising for. he was apologising to. there would be all kinds of things. look what diane abbott said in that article, in that letter was indefensible. and she apologised for it profusely. she withdrew it. she apparently did an

anti—semitism training course that was managed by this. this disciplinary process that has come to an end. she should be forgiven. >> all right . and all of you, >> all right. and all of you, thank you very, very much. look, we are not going to get james murray tonight. now apparently. unfortunately. but hopefully we'll get him tomorrow. we were supposed to be having labour frontbencher there james murray. but there will be more questions to put to hopefully somebody in the labour party tomorrow. thank you thank you thank you very much, headliners is up next and we'll be back tomorrow from 9 pm. for another rip roaring show as we steam through the general election campaign together. i'll see you then. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> good evening from the met office. here's your latest gb news weather update. whilst it is going to turn drier for most of us by the weekend before then, we still have some thundery showers around. earlier on today we had a weather system pushing its way north eastwards across the country, bringing some heavy, persistent rain. for many of us, that's now starting to clear though lingering across

some northeastern parts through this evening and overnight. and behind it, it isn't turning completely dry. further outbreaks of showery rain and some of these could still be heavy, possibly the odd rumble of thunder overnight. many places staying quite cloudy so temperatures aren't going to drop a huge amount. but there will be some clear skies around, especially towards the south. and here we could see a few pockets of mist and fog developing tomorrow morning. if we take a closer look at what's happening tomorrow morning, though quite a cloudy start across northeast scotland and some outbreaks of lingering rain here. maybe some brightness across northwest scotland around the central belt. but on the whole largely cloudy further outbreaks of showery rain to be had, similar for northern ireland and northern england, though some bright spells possible. a brighter picture, though, across central southern england. greater chance of seeing some sunshine, particularly once any mist and fog patches clear away as we go through the rest of the day, and it is going to be quite a showery picture for most of us. any rain lingering towards the northeast may continue for a time, but the greatest story will be the fact that there'll

be some hefty showers, particularly for eastern scotland, northeast england, some of these turning heavy and thundery. elsewhere, the showers may be not quite as intense, but some rumbles of thunder are possible . there will be some possible. there will be some sunny spells in between the showers, though, and temperatures rising into the mid to high teens or possibly low 20s towards the south—east. thursday is going to be

gb news. >> it's 11:00 here with gp news. the latest, top stories this houn the latest, top stories this hour. the prime minister has pledged to create 100,000 more apprenticeships. a year by shutting down what he calls rip off degrees . rishi sunak said he off degrees. rishi sunak said he wants to see the worst performing university courses replaced with high skilled apprenticeships. if the conservative retain power at the general election in july . but general election in july. but labour described the policy as laughable . sir keir starmer has laughable. sir keir starmer has said cutting nhs waiting lists will be the first step in a labour government's plan to get the health service back on its feet. the labour leader pledged to create a health service that is there for everyone ahead of a visit to the west midlands tomorrow. labour is saying it's going to initially focus on reducing treatment backlogs , reducing treatment backlogs, which currently stand at just over 7.5 million people. the health secretary, victoria atkins, though, described the plans as more copy and paste politics from labour, who she says have no plan . it's