east, as the purge has corbyn east, as the purge has well and truly begun. is it the right move or not.7 also, did you see reform uk.7 they've right move or not? also, did you see reform uk? they've now said that we need to charge employers an immigration tax if they insist on hiring foreign workers. what do you think to that? also so labour promised to take back our towns from thugs and thieves. let me ask you this though. is it even possible that any more or has that ship well and truly sailed? also this calls to allow 18 to 30 year olds free movement across the eu and vice versa. to live and work is that common sense or is it a betrayal of brexit? you tell me . betrayal of brexit? you tell me. also, let me ask you, do you think we need more social housing here in the uk ? i've got housing here in the uk? i've got all that to come and more. but first let's cross live for the 6:00 news headlines. >> thanks very much indeed,

michelle. and this is your 6:00 news. let's bring you some breaking news. first of all, you've been hearing in the last hour that mark logan , who hour that mark logan, who represented bolton north east for the conservative party is reportedly, we understand, leaving the party. he's told media today the conservatives are now in his words, unrecognisable. and he's urging people to support labour instead. it's the third defection by a tory mp to labour in just over a month . that news in just over a month. that news just coming to us in the last 15 minutes or so. more on that of course, as we get it now. also in the news today, the family of an raf pilot who died in a crash on saturday say he lived life with an unwavering passion. mark long, who was 43, was killed when his spitfire plane crashed into a field near raf coningsby on saturday. in a statement, his family paid tribute, saying that his ability to connect to everyone he met was infectious and he'll be cherished and

deeply missed. election news now and the prime minister is warning that labour's net zero policies will hurt britain's economy. touring a factory in buckinghamshire today, rishi sunak acknowledged that recent years had been tough. but he said labour's plan to achieve net zero was too costly. i've been very clear that we need to get there in a different way to what had been proposed previously, and that means we need to be more serious, hard headed and pragmatic about it because there are a couple of things that i want to prioritise. >> i want to prioritise our country's energy security. and we've seen in the last couple of years what's happened right when we're held hostage by dictators like putin, we can't have that happen. so that's why i'm supportive of energy coming out of the north sea. we're going to needit of the north sea. we're going to need it for decades to come. we better off getting it here at home. it's good for our economy, good for our jobs, good for our energy security. that's something that the labour party opposes. >> rishi sunak well, sir keir starmer is standing by. waless first minister vaughan gething as labour's campaign arrived in

wales today. sir keir thanking mr gethin for his leadership and saying he was looking forward to a new partnership with the first minister. if labour takes power. sir keir says he's proud of labour's record in wales and said mr gething, who's facing a vote of no confidence next week, is doing a very good job. labour's deputy leader says she doesn't see any reason why diane abbott can't stand as an mp with the party at the general election in july , according to election in july, according to reports in the guardian newspaper. angela rayner believes mr abbott hasn't been treated fairly or appropriately . treated fairly or appropriately. the veteran labour mp had the whip restored this week after a long suspension. she's accused sir keir starmer of culling the party's left wing. sir keir starmer has said he wants the highest quality candidates and described her as being a trailblazer . and the green party trailblazer. and the green party was out on the road today as well , setting out its was out on the road today as well, setting out its vision to tackle the cost of living,

improve housing and treat britain's polluted waterways , britain's polluted waterways, co—leader caledonia told an eventin co—leader caledonia told an event in bristol this afternoon that labour had backtracked on its green investments , and that its green investments, and that the greens role in the new parliament would be vital . parliament would be vital. recent polls put the party at 6, andifs recent polls put the party at 6, and it's hoping to elect four mps at the general election . mps at the general election. businesses hiring foreign workers should be subject to an employer immigration tax . that's employer immigration tax. that's according to the reform party. their leader, richard tice, said today the new levy would help end what he called a deadly addiction to cheap overseas laboun addiction to cheap overseas labour, joined by the party's honorary president, nigel farage, they claimed that mass migration had driven down wages for british citizens. i think for british citizens. i think for too many people, work doesn't pay and that's what we've got to do. >> we've got to overcome this addiction. if you want to bring in people from overseas , then

in people from overseas, then there's a price to that because this great country of ours, this incredible nation, we've all paid for it over decades and decades. so it's not unreasonable to expect you to chip in a bit . chip in a bit. >> now, a nine year old girl remains in a critical condition this afternoon after a shooting on a busy high street in east london last night. the child was out dining with her family inside a restaurant in hackney when shots were fired from men outside, believing to be riding a stolen motorbike. they injured the girl as well as three other people. one of those faces potentially life changing injuries at a primary school teacher, has been jailed for life with a minimum term to serve of 20 years for killing her partner . serve of 20 years for killing her partner. fiona beale, who's 50, stabbed nicholas billingham and buried his body in their garden. the old bailey today heard she killed him in cold blood before then impersonating him on text messages to try to convince his family that he was

safe and well. that's the news for the latest stories , too. for the latest stories, too. sign up to gb news alerts. scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. common alerts. >> thank you very much for that, polly and michelle dewberry. and i'm keeping you company till 7:00 tonight alongside me. i've got my panel, the former editor of the sun, kelvin mackenzie, and a new face to this programme. we like that the former leader of the communications workers union, bill hayes. hello and welcome . bill hayes. hello and welcome. and also welcome back to you. kelvin mackenzie, you know the drill as well, don't you? it's not just about these two in the studio. it's about you at home as well. what's on your mind tonight? you can get in touch with me all the usual ways. you can email gbviews@gbnews.com. or of course you can go to the website gbnews.com slash yourself. you can talk amongst yourselves or indeed directly to me there, as many of you are already doing. and of course you can tweet or text me whatever you're doing tonight, however you're doing tonight, however you're listening, you are of

course, very, very welcome. and of course you've got the countdown, haven't you? it's 35 days to go. we're going to we're going to hang on in there. everyone we're going to get through it together, as i always say. and don't worry, i'm sure you've got better things to do than follow the twists and turns of the campaign trail and what do i always say? don't worry about it, because we'll follow it for you. so let's cross live then, shall we, to our political correspondent to get up to speed with what's happened today. katherine forster, why is there a purge of the left going on? >> that seems to be many people see what's happening here. so the divisions that sir keir starmer has managed to paper over within the labour party for a long, long time, really emerging today. elsewhere, rishi sunak, the prime minister and talking at an event, was quizzed by somebody who's mother had died during covid and he wasn't able to say goodbye to her. a difficult moment for him . difficult moment for him. meanwhile, sir ed davey, another day, another stunt, i think this

one to top them all, going down that waterslide wearing not terribly much a picture that none of us can ever forget . none of us can ever forget. >> we'll never be able to unsee that image of ed davey zipping down that slide. i mean, how much more ridiculous can some of these stunts get? as i've said, we've got 35 days to go. we've already seen them zipping down hills on push bikes, today we've just seen the slip and slide. we've seen people falling off paddleboards. what are we going to get to by the time we're at 30 odd days? probably some kind of naked pull dancing, i don't know, twister or something. let's hope not, look, other news as well. we've just been hearing it in the bulletin as well . it in the bulletin as well. we've had another defection, kelvin mackenzie from the labour party to the tories. this is the mp mark logan. who's he? i hear you cry at home, well, he was the mp for bolton north east. i have to say, he's not going to run in the next election, which, of course, makes me think, well, what's the point in what you're

doing ? but i what's the point in what you're doing? but i guess it's to galvanise support in his area for the labour party. he says it's about the change, he didn't like some of the approaches towards gaza and all the rest of it. what do you make to that? >> well, he's a he's clearly a chancen >> well, he's a he's clearly a chancer. i mean, he only had a majority, i think, of 378 anyway. so he was he was going to go the way of all fish in any event, it's impossible to work out why why that would be in his interest except in this respect, this battle over diane abbott is a great is a great win for start is a great win for starmer. because i'm old enough to remember michael foot. i'm also young enough to remember jeremy corbyn and the reason they went to the most enormous defeats is because they were of the left . because they were of the left. they were of diane abbott and others who are now being excluded from the labour party. the tories should be very, very worried about starmer effectively, despite claiming it's all hands off. it's a

labour nec doing all this stuff because what it is a signal to people that to voters that actually you don't need to worry. there aren't any michael foot's , there aren't any foot's, there aren't any corbyn's there aren't any diane abbott's in our party. they are they are ordinary technocratic kind of people . and that, by the kind of people. and that, by the way, is a worry because the great thing . great thing. >> do you agree with them purging the likes of diane abbott. >> no, i, i'm a great look i come on i come on gb news. why. because it's one of the few places that allow a speech of this variety to take place. so i believe in free speech. they should allow anybody on there. why do i say that one? because i believe in free speech. but actually i also believe politically that actually what starmer is doing is very clever. and actually the tories should be concerned about this going on in this manner. >> it's not just diane abbott, by the way. there's a few other people in the firing line at the moment and perhaps rumoured to be even a few more as well.

there was a potential hopeful candidate. did you see this on the bbc last night? let's take a look and then we'll discuss , look and then we'll discuss, like how am i not allowed to talk about my experiences of islamophobia and the double standards that i've seen and that we see with diane abbott, for instance , i, i honestly, i'm for instance, i, i honestly, i'm just so shocked right now to be treated this badly after being such an active member of the party. so that was pfizer shaheed there. so she was hoping to be the candidate for chingford, and we've got other people as well. do you agree with the what many people are calling the purge happening in labour? >> well, in respect to diane abbott, i think the test will be, i think tuesday today when the nec have to decide and lots of people are recognising the contribution diane's made 37 years. i think it is. contribution diane's made 37 years. i think it is . she's been years. i think it is. she's been it is the first black woman, the first black woman to be elected to parliament. i see no reason

why she shouldn't be an mp. and you know , the labour party you know, the labour party should be a broad church. it's not a sect. and you know, we always have the experience of people being parachuted in in all parties just towards the day of the election. so that's nothing new. but i think, you know, diane abbott deserves to be a candidate. she's she's out there . the disciplinary process there. the disciplinary process she went through. so i think she'd be a i think she'd continue to represent the people of her constituency very well. >> and what do you think about some of the strange goings on, to put it mildly. so you've had keir starmer, for example, very recently saying that it was still a disciplinary process that was ongoing when actually it turns out it wasn't at all. she'd that had finished pretty much in december. she'd done that online course. so that really wasn't true . so what do really wasn't true. so what do you think about the way it's been handled? >> well has been handled well. that's that's for sure. but the test will be if diane is on the ballot paper for the labour party , do you think she will be. party, do you think she will be. ihope party, do you think she will be. i hope she will be. well, i see no reason why not. she's been through a disciplinary process.

that's complete in every other respect. she's been she don't forget she was shadow home secretary at one. she was so she's a considerate she's quite a substantial politician . a substantial politician. >> well, one of the, one of the interesting issues of course, diane, but was prepared to take the penalty on this, which is a, the penalty on this, which is a, the suspension and then she had to sit and anti—semitic kind of teaching to try and teach her not to say things against the jews. now, that lady from newsnight, she she claims, right, that first of all, she's being penalised , saying it's being penalised, saying it's people of colour that are being thrown out. but the other point is that the nec, the reason they, they gave her the bef is because she liked a tweet, a tweet in which it contained an anti—semitic trope. right? she now says, oh, i'm very sorry about that. well, she's very sorry about that. is that in fact, the labour nec said, really, if you've got those views, we don't want you as our candidate. and i think that's a good thing to you. >> i mean , i'm not familiar with >> i mean, i'm not familiar with that case, so i can't really

comment on it. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and there's another one as well, isn't there? lloyd russell—moyle he basically he's had some complaints made against him, dating back years ago , he's him, dating back years ago, he's basically saying, this is all kind of some kind of ploy , kind of some kind of ploy, vexatious claims to try and prevent him a standing as a candidate, which he's disputing the fairness of that as well. so that's what i mean. this goes much broader. but keir denies that. >> and keir says an independent process . do you believe him process. do you believe him i do, i don't see any reason why not. i think that the test is, is whether diane will be a candidate. you know, i mean, there's no reason why she shouldn't be a candidate. and, you know, i i've been a labour party member on the labour leaders since the time of jim callaghan a million years ago. and, you know, he's he's he's not everyone's cup of tea, but i think he's doing a good job and i think at the moment what's happening with the tory party, i mean they're just i've never seen, seen a party implode as

much as this. this party. and so i think he should be confident in his people that we should be a broad church. and i think there's no reason why diane can't be the candidate following the tuesday nec. yeah. >> and i've got to say, that candidate there that we've just been showing, the lady from newsnight, this is all about 14 tweets over a period of ten years. so that's what they're kind of pulling her up on. and this notion you're saying, oh, well, if you've liked this tweet then good. i mean, come on, we all use social media, right? true, and the way that we use social media is, you know, sometimes do we pay 100% attention to what we're doing all the time? i've lost count of the times i've got on my phone, for example. and i've got my little boy next to me choking down a sore at me or whatever he's done. so i mean, i'm not defending the tweet or the liking of this tweet, but what i'm saying is this notion that if you press like on a tweet, that's it. career over, get out . that's it. career over, get out. do you think that's a bit much?

>> well, look, i personally do, but the trouble is that if you start liking a anti—semitic trope and you are an mp, right? that or you are a potential candidate, you are over. that is over. candidate, you are over. that is over . we don't want that in our over. we don't want that in our country. and if you start liking islam phobic, tweets, right, you are done for. so these people know what they're doing. that's their job. know what they're doing. that's theirjob. they are mps. they know, they know. don't bother . know, they know. don't bother. >> i mean, i understand the point and anti—semitism , point and anti—semitism, islamophobia. absolutely, you know, is, is to be to be tackled and dealt with. but i do wonder sometimes the sad life of the people who have to go through these tweets because i agree with you. i mean, i mean, i'm self—conscious or very self—conscious or very self—conscious now, when you like or but sometimes you get tagged into something and you don't know until a couple of hours later that somebody tagged

you into something . when you're you into something. when you're tagged into something, does that mean you're responsible for so it is a bit of a, it seems to me a bit of a, i know thing. people have got to take action, particularly when you're an mp. but i do wonder sometimes. i mean, it's pretty sad when someone's got a troll troll through all the tweets. >> remember that that lady. >> remember that that lady. >> oh, someone went through your tweet. >> oh, no. no by all means, go through my tweets. >> right. but i'm not running. i'm not running for public office. >> would you be happy to be cancelled from whatever roles it is that you're involved in? it happened to me because of what you've tweeted. >> yeah, well, if somebody fell gb news or somebody like that or somebody else felt , i mean sky somebody else felt, i mean sky news, i went on there a few months ago and i, i, i attacked the qatari ambassador for sending 500 million a year to hamas. right. at that boom, sky news threw me off. look, it's

just you either have your views or you don't have your views. she's chosen to have her views. she's chosen to have her views. she is running for public office. it's for the labour party to decide whether they want her in or not. i think they're being very clever. if they're being very clever. if they look as though they're clearing out the stable, well, i think that is a powerful, powerful message to voters and keep them in office. >> kelvin , you're very quick on >> kelvin, you're very quick on what should and what beyond. well, famously , you didn't check well, famously, you didn't check a headline, did you? >> i did, i wrote the headline. >> i did, i wrote the headline. >> yeah, well, you wrote the headune >> yeah, well, you wrote the headline and subsequently. yeah >> and i paid a price for it. yeah. and continued that was a newspaper that was just it wasn't just a tweet when you were accused. >> no i'm fine. yeah, yeah, yeah i'm fine. i'm fine with that. >> i'm fine with that. i've never objected to it. >> well i'm not you know, i'm not with that headline. i thought it was terrible, but but the point being, we all do things that, you know, are wrong and out of step. take the point about, you know, no time for anti—semitism , no time for anti—semitism, no time for islamophobia. as to whether

there's a, you know, a page. i mean, it sounds very dramatic, but the test will be, diane , i but the test will be, diane, i mean, and she's gathering support by the day. well, let's see what happens. >> tell me what you think to this notion. and by the way, i'm not defending what anyone did or didn't like or whatever on twitter. that's their business. what i'm suggesting is and what i'm probing, i guess, and putting to you guys is, you know, what are the walk of life where every single sentence that you've said or emotion that you've said or emotion that you've displayed or whatever follows you around ad infinitum, and then you get kind of hoisted by the potato . do you think that by the potato. do you think that thatis by the potato. do you think that that is fair or is that just, you know, as it is when you use social media, do you deserve to be cancelled from whatever it is that you want to do based on, i don't know, a click that you did years ago? tell me your thoughts all the usual ways. after the break, i want to talk to you about law and order. the labour party have been speaking out about how they're going to essentially reclaim the streets from the criminals. do you reckon anyone can do that anymore? or has

the ship sailed too far? tell me.

hello, everybody. good evening and welcome back. this is dewbs & and welcome back. this is dewbs& co with me. michelle dewberry alongside me. i've got the former editor of the sun, kelvin mackenzie, and the former leader of the communications workers union, billy hayes, lots of you guys getting in touch about those topics, about the labour purge, so to speak. but i'm also interested as well, how long should you be held responsible for anything that you've tweeted? is it forever or should there be a cut off or what? get in touch and let me know. but also something that caught my eye today . the labour party out eye today. the labour party out and about, speaking tough about how they are going to crack down on crime. let's just have a little listen , shall we? little listen, shall we? >> we would have 13,000 more neighbourhood police and pcsos right across the country . vie right across the country. vie because people need to see that the bobby on the beat again ,

the bobby on the beat again, working in communities, we're all cost up to £400 million and we'd fund that by a new programme of police efficiency on contracts . that's based on on contracts. that's based on the work of the independent police foundation as well. >> don't forget, of course, it was tony blair that said that he was tony blair that said that he was going to be tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime and many people would argue, and it certainly feels, doesn't it, that many of the crime statistics are out of control. they're going in the wrong direction. billy, do you think that the labour party, with their plans of 13,000 extra staff and all the rest of it, is that the answer? is that going to fix things? >> well, it's going to help fix things. i mean, don't forget tories 20,000 less police officers. so more police officers. so more police officers more. i'd like to see more bobbies on the beat as opposed to police cars roaring about , you know, with their about, you know, with their sirens blaring. i think more people would be reassured. more police on the beat, more souls , police on the beat, more souls, you know, just to get a feeling of safety. and so i think what yvette is talking about is to be

welcomed . welcomed. >> do you do you agree with what she's saying? >> well, i'm always in favour of more police officers. and i share billy's , concerns that we share billy's, concerns that we don't see enough officers walking down the street. i mean, where i live and i live in weybridge in surrey, i don't think i have ever seen . right in think i have ever seen. right in 20 years of living there, ever seen two police officers or one police officer just walking up and down? and i think the police would say it's not a good use of our of our manpower or our woman power. the real question comes down to another issue is, although i'm massively in favour of more police officers, they need to be funded right ? of more police officers, they need to be funded right? and my question then is where does the money come from ? and you come up money come from? and you come up with a kind of nebulous expression there from the shadow home secretary basically saying, we're going to crack down on this, or we're going to crack down on that. all of which i'm very happy to happen. but what i do expect to happen is that taxes will then rise to fund what what what are worries that people have and why? why

wouldn't they just be honest and say, you know, running the nhs , say, you know, running the nhs, running the police force, running the police force, running various state things are going to cost more money and we're going to put the money in rather than claiming we're going to clamp down on some wealthy people who aren't even going to be in the country anymore . so, be in the country anymore. so, you know, i, i'm, i've just got a question mark about whether any of this is possible. >> well, some of these stats, by the way. so she talks about 13,000 new officers , you've got 13,000 new officers, you've got to look at this as well, because about four, 4000 of those will be pcsos. there'll be 3000 new, full police officers. and then you've got your, you know, your specials like your part time volunteers as well. they'll be leveraged in there . so she leveraged in there. so she reckons that she can save some of that money by so—called efficiencies. i mean, how we've even got any efficiencies left , even got any efficiencies left, anywhere is absolutely beyond me because of all of this excess cash was just flirting around. why is it not yet being resolved ? of course. this comes on the day where you've seen that horrendous story, where you've got a nine year old little girl

in critical care. she was injured. she was having, dinner with her family in london, and this person just zipped up on a bike, fired shots, and caught the girl in the crossfire , the girl in the crossfire, essentially. and i mean, you know, you mentioned you're from liverpool , so you will be liverpool, so you will be familiar with that. a couple of cases in liverpool, rhys jones a little boy there, olivia pratt—korbel you remember her? the mum opened the door and she was caught and killed as well. i get goosebumps whenever i think about those two cases. and i mean, how do you stop this stuff? >> well, i think we've got to have a look at the drug policy in this country in terms of, what it's doing to the to our streets. when i grew up in the 60s in liverpool, i lived in the same place as the rooneys , and same place as the rooneys, and it was a great place to live. and then thatcher come along and our estate becomes smack city and so there's got to be a correlation to investment in public, like for example, youth clubs. i don't know what the

figure is for a number of youth clubs that have been closed. so that's not an excuse for the terrible things that have happened over the last 24 hours. but there's definitely a correlation. i when i grew up in the 60s, our councillor stayed in a in a walk up council flat. we thought it was the it was great. and then come the 80s unemployment, you know, and all that infuse of drugs and it's definitely is definitely all part of it. this is obviously something to do with it. not saying that's a total solution, but it's definitely not an excuse. but but it's definitely more police on the beat more. i think the thing is , rather than think the thing is, rather than just focus on the numbers more visible presence. i mean, my area in south—west london now is actually quite well policed, but i think that's what people want. they don't want to hear these sirens blaring , because nobody sirens blaring, because nobody ever seems to know what happened at the end of the police racing to a particular incident. you

don't see reports of they had to race to this incident because there was some such thing happened. it just seems to be i think it's the kind of, i don't know, it seems a i think people want more to see, more visible presence. you've got, for example , about half of police example, about half of police stations have closed down since 2010, as you've just been mentioning. >> you cut about the tories, cut about 20,000. then they've started to rehire lots of those officers as well. and obviously the labour party statistics, they also include some of those hires that have already been made by the tories. but this nofion made by the tories. but this notion about youth clubs , we notion about youth clubs, we hear this all the time and actually it's part of the policy of the labour party to have these new youth hubs. does that wash with you, that the reason that these kids are out and about doing stuff is because they can't go play snooker in a church hall? >> you definitely you definitely don't want the kind of thugs that hang around in city centres making life like him, making life a nightmare. but going down to that youth club, that youth club will be shot shut in about 2.2 seconds and you probably will need police officers

actually on the youth clubs in certain areas of our country, in order to make it safe for ordinary people to go there. now look, look, i'm, i'm, as i point out on a number of occasions, i'm somewhat older. it's good to see billy here because at least that leavens the bread slightly. but, that that, that i didn't go to youth clubs. right i didn't go to youth club. you can't say. well, you're your example of the kind of person we don't want actually, in the youth club, but is there any example that it is youth clubs? is it actually the parents of these, of these children who are they're not children who are they're not children . they're teenagers who children. they're teenagers who aren't doing anything about either trying to trying to control them and if they can't control them and if they can't control them, can they call in the police and say, these people are out of control? should these children be taken away from them? i'm just saying it is literally wrong to have any city centre where anybody feels concerned about going in there at night for fear that they may be assaulted or abused in some way. and the clearly look, if

labour wants to do something and experiment, i'm absolutely for all it. but in all honesty, i don't believe that this is the outcome. the outcome will be what they want, what you need is these kids actually take either taken away from their parents or something happens. some there has been a breakdown between parental responsibility and these children. i blame the parents completely. >> well, one of the conversations that they were having is about reintroducing almost like an asbo style, i was going to call it a sanction, but the fact they're even calling it a sanction would be quite laughable, because many of you will remember some of those asbo kids and they got these asbos. yeah like, look at these two, they got these asbos at age 11 and 12. these brothers, they almost wore it, like a badge of honoun almost wore it, like a badge of honour. that's true. it was almost pretty damn cool, to have an asbo or to have a tag or whatever, and i think with the advent of social media now, obviously that one, i think when

those two kids was getting their. asbos. but when you've got social media now, it's actually have an asbo or to have actually have an asbo or to have a curfew or a tag or whatever. i worry that again, it will be more cool. i think labour want to call them essentially like respect orders, but is that going to work in the social media age, do you reckon, billy? >> well, i think having police in the community, which is what we've experimented with in south—west london, man, it makes a difference. i think the other aspect of, you know, the fear of night time is the impact on women. i mean, you've had some really horrible cases. yeah. admittedly one was under covid, but a horrible case of attacks on women. and so more light and more visible presence of police, yeah. it doesn't have to be to the point where saturation, but it certainly needs to be that, you know, this, this kind of behaviour is not acceptable here. and i think some in some areas , just to finish this areas, just to finish this point, i think in some areas the police have given up. you know,

they say, oh, it's not worth going in that particular area because it's this, that and the other. so i think the focus on enlivening our city centres , i enlivening our city centres, i think what people want is more contact with other people and to be safe in the, in their communities . and i think that's communities. and i think that's all part of it. everything now is a bit remote, isn't it? you know, you make that phone call and you realise that they're exceptionally busy and they can't take your call at the moment. but you can go to our websites. i think people just want to talk to other people, both in their community and on, on, on their social, on the telephone and stuff. >> i'm going to start doing a regular section on this programme. i've decided as well, because you see, don't you all the time these kind of mug shots of people, have you seen this person? you saw that one, in the watch shop the other day of the weekend where the victim actually very sadly, he killed him . well, he killed himself. him. well, he killed himself. i've got. i can't dress it up any any nicer way. he killed himself. you got those mug shots

of those two fellows that are wanted, you can see them clear as day. one of the fellows, a massive tattoo all the way around his neck. and i think, well, people must know who these guys are, so why aren't they grassing them up, i saw, like, a funeral of, this this, what i would call a wrong'un. basically, he died, and i saw the floral tributes to him and the floral tributes to him and the floral tributes were like, there was like, an ak 47. that was all done out in flowers . was all done out in flowers. there were these wraps of cocaine that were all done out in flowers. it was all about what a where was it? >> where was this? where was the funeral? >> i can't remember, i will i'll find it in the break and i'll tell you exactly where it was. but it was like they were glorifying this fella. and i thought, this is this is wrong. this is like there's something going on when you think, fair enough, it's your loved one, your loved him. i don't doubt that. but to actually go to a florist with a straight face and say, can you do me? raps of cocaine surrounded in flowers as a floral tribute to this fella

that's died? >> i mean, why would you even make that as a floral tribute if he was a florist anyway? well, that was in 2024. >> you go back a few years to one of the krays being one of the krays being buried and literally people were lining the streets as the hearse, as the hearse pulled by a pulled by a horse . black horse was taking horse. black horse was taking him to his final resting place. the guy was a vile killer. i mean, people , people get caught mean, people, people get caught up in the robin hood aspect of crime . there is nothing robin crime. there is nothing robin hood about it. those those people who did that jewellers killed that killed that young man, as sure as if they put a bullet through his through , bullet through his through, through his heart. it was shocking. >> yeah, that was an awful one. a couple of things did make me feel quite happy, though, because it's all well and good talking about when crimes are not solved, but i have seen a couple of instances of people actually being brought to book. have you seen these ones are certainly caught my eye. this fella, look at him. hang on. i'll show you what he did, he went to on facebook and he did

this poem. i mean, rap or whatever you want to call it. i'm chillin like a villain. i'm buzzing like a bee riding in a riding like a soldier. police can't catch me. well, they did catch him, my friend. and now you've been banged up in prison. and i absolutely love that. thank you very much. and did you see as well we covered the dine and dash people. do you remember those guys that were going into all different restaurants? there was pictures of them. absolutely everywhere. well, they ended up in prison as well. good. it's fantastic when policing works, isn't it? ladies and gents, i just wish we had a little bit more of it. but tell me your thoughts. our labour's plans, the right ones. is it as simple as more bobbies on the beat? you tell me and see you in

hello, everyone. we're back. it's michelle dewberry here with

dewbs& co. you can hear them chatting away about the next topic. they're too excited already. it's kelvin mackenzie, former editor of the sun and the former editor of the sun and the former leader of the cw union , former leader of the cw union, billy hayes. what they were just talking about is the royal mail. that takeover by czech billionaire. i'll come to on that in just a second. wayne says, michelle, what we need is to bring back the beat coppers that didn't take any rubbish from anyone, see, that's very interesting. we have this conversation often. do we need a police force in this country or a police service that divides people? i can tell you , anthony people? i can tell you, anthony says there's no point to have more police officers because they're not given the correct tools to do the job, peter says, can i just be clear about youth clubs? the wrong ones don't go to youth clubs unless they want to youth clubs unless they want to rob the good kids that do go there, christine says, well , i'm there, christine says, well, i'm nearly 70 and i wasn't allowed to attend any youth club because that's where the troublemakers hung out. and therefore, she says, i didn't allow my sons to attend them either. let's get

stuck into then, this royal mail story. shall we? because everyone will know, be familiar with the situation with the royal mail. but you've got a czech billionaire now that's essentially got the go ahead to take over this organisation, a 500 year organisation steeped in history. do you support this move? no i mean, it should be nationalised. >> i mean it one day it's going to be brought back into public ownership . it's interesting ownership. it's interesting you're talking about ed davey. it was ed davey as a post office minister who saw through the privatisation . vince cable was privatisation. vince cable was the minister and i seen him sliding down the slide today and falling off his waterboard yesterday . there's definitely, a yesterday. there's definitely, a privatised story there about what he done to royal mail because the chaos we see in royal mail carriers, i mean, really exactly. i mean , but the really exactly. i mean, but the serious point is that ed davey allowed this privatisation to go through under , vince cable, it's

through under, vince cable, it's been a mess. it's been a disaster. it's been more strife in royal mail since it's been privatised . privatised. >> i've been working that well or else they want to privatised it in the first place. >> well, it was working out well, actually. it was given money back to the government that you used to invest in schools. it was a bit of a it's a, you know, privatisation is a bit like flares isn't it? everyone wore them and no one wants to remember they wore them. and now privatisation. we've got a possibility of thames water getting nationalised by the government. £15 billion. i think it's going to cost. and they're still pumping sewage into the. so privatisation is an idea at a time has passed really. and royal mail is a real example of a disaster that needs to be taken back into public ownership at some point. >> do you agree with that, kevin? >> there's two sides to the royal mail business. there's the profitable, packages side and cardboard boxes and kind of mini amazon that does fine. on the

other side, there is this ridiculous idea that we have to have a letters delivered to us six days a week. now, i am sure there might be somebody, somewhere who wants a letter delivered to them six days a week. the truth about the matter is, if we got the delivered one day a week, that would be fine. as far as i'm concerned. and especially with those brown ones, which caused me no end of no end of an issue. so that that side of the business loses. i think last year, if i'm right, £375 million, i don't see any future in letters . it's the end. future in letters. it's the end. i do see deliveries coming from amazon and the like of royal mail. and by the way, my post people who deliver to me fantastic. very nice people. but they know that their future does not lie in letters. so my question for you, millie , would question for you, millie, would you be prepared to say, well , you be prepared to say, well, what which side of royal mail should actually be privatised?

are you saying neither side should be? >> well, in terms i'm not in favour of privatisation. i force at a time when ed davey was post office minister, together with my other colleagues in cw, and we can see the evidence. now. you talk about six days a week, but of course amazon delivers six days a week up to quite late at night. sometimes most people will experience . but the other will experience. but the other aspect of that is the connectedness. i think what's really happening in our society, people don't want to hear that, you know, we're exceptionally busy at the time. they want to talk to a human being and the people that they like to talk to is their postwoman or the postman. i imagine because you say that your postal workers are great people, you probably speak to them. i do, yeah. and you know, and that little bit of connectedness, you know, for, for older people in particular, but not just older people, people who can't get out of the house, you know, that that is a part of the service that we would lose if we lost our six day a week delivery. yeah.

>> but hold on a second, because, i mean, we've got a great postie and he's fabulous, as my mom's pussy. great postie and he's fabulous, as my mom's pussy . absolutely as my mom's pussy. absolutely fabulous, wouldn't want him to lose his job, but we need to be realistic. life moves on the days where people are writing each other letters and all the rest of it. they are gone. now, the letter writing side is the letter postal service is loss making. so why are you suggesting with all the economic restrictions we've got, that what we now do is put our arms around a debt pit and hug it? why would you want that for the pubuc why would you want that for the public purse? well that's quite an interesting way of putting it all. >> i think . true. but the first >> i think. true. but the first thing we let's have a look. i mean, i would say let's have a look at what the situation is in royal since it's been privatised andifs royal since it's been privatised and it's been a mess. and despite when i was come on face facts, you're on about flares and stuff. >> we write less letters than before. we've got email. we don't communicate in that way anymore. it's an archaic way. yes, there's some bits and pieces, but nowhere near like what it used to be. and harking back to the days of public ownership or wanting

renationalise ization. it's a false economy. life's moved on. >> well, the social mail, as it was often called, that's people like it's only ever a small part of the business. the big part of the business is direct mail and that's not an unimportant part of the business. and so you'd have to look at the whole picture. but the fact is , davey picture. but the fact is, davey and vince cable made a massive error in privatising royal mail. there's some things in our society that need to be publicly owned, like the railways, probably like the waterways, the way things are at the moment. honestly billy, talk about the railways. >> i'm old enough to remember when it when it when it was nationalised and it was an absolutely dreadful i agree with you. that doesn't seem to have got much better, but it certainly wasn't as bad as before. >> well, i'm going to leave these two to reminisce about curly sandwiches on british rail in the break. >> when i come back, let's talk social housing, we? do you

we need more of it in this

not? hello there. i'm michelle dewberry. i'm with you till 7:00 tonight, many of you getting in touch about those previous topics alongside me. of course, kelvin mackenzie and billy hayes remain. lots of you getting in touch about that policing. so many hamish says you need to reopen all the police officers, police stations . lots of you are police stations. lots of you are talking about the lack of prison capacity. it's all well and good, clamping down on crime. but if you've got nowhere to put said criminals, what's the point here? here to that. build some more. how complicated can that be, look, before we go, let's talk about social housing, shall we? because now there's pressure on politicians to commit to building 90,000 new social houses a year. there's a big open letter. it's been signed by multiple organisations supporting this. kelvin. do you supporting this. kelvin. do you support it, well ,

supporting this. kelvin. do you support it, well, as things stand, every time you want to build any kind of housing, now you have to give up 35 to 40% of that land, has to now go to social housing. so it's not as though social housing, whether it's under the tories or under under labour, is something which nobody wants to do. what i am hostile to, and i'm hostile to it. for council tenants right now is why they have such a huge subsidy. if their income has in fact gone up , subsidy. if their income has in fact gone up, or is subsidy. if their income has in fact gone up , or is actually at fact gone up, or is actually at a level where they could afford to pay a percentage of what private tenants pay . so in private tenants pay. so in london, you're in a 2 or 3 bedroom council house. you will pay bedroom council house. you will pay around 600 a month, 650 a month, whereas the same flat for a private tenant is like 2500 quid. and the reason that everybody's bailed out of becoming a landlord is because there's no mortgage tax relief. so i would restore that more private. and i would say to people who live in council flats, i'm afraid you have to pay flats, i'm afraid you have to pay more than a quarter, 25% of the private of what the private

tenant has to pay. it is ridiculous and quite wrong really, bill? >> more houses. i mean , it's the >> more houses. i mean, it's the issue of the time really, isn't it, in terms of i mean, the dangeris it, in terms of i mean, the danger is we can get nostalgic about the past, but we as i said earlier, we lived in a council flat , seven of us, earlier, we lived in a council flat, seven of us, and it was fantastic, you know, and we had, you know, it was a great time. and obviously different times now. but young people now can't buy houses in london, you know, if they're in an average wage . i if they're in an average wage. i believe there's even an app to tell you how far out of london you have to go to get somewhere to live. so it's definitely an issue housing, and it needs to be tackled. and yes, you know, i wouldn't rule out having a mixture of, tenancies, different, you know, private public, but but we just need to build more council houses. we managed to do that after the second world war. you know, we phenomenal amount of houses were

built up. admittedly, there was a lot of destruction , but a lot of destruction, but nonetheless we managed to do that. why can't we do it now? >> i've only got about 30s left, but john of us says no more social housing. it drives laziness because more and more people will rely on welfare rather than working for a living. we have to break that cycle. every one of our family got a job and we lived in a council flat. >> not even a house. >> not even a house. >> so that's a bit of a raised in a council flat as well. so, you know, i mean, should they be should there be an earnings limit? >> once you earn x amount of money then you can't be in social housing, i remember it was that union boss. >> yeah. it was the guy who died, boss. the guy who guy died. >> who was that? >> who was that? >> bob crow? >> bob crow? >> yes. he, well known as earning a good sum of cash and living in a council house. >> his missus was working as well. she was bringing in a good, good lump as well. it's an absolute disgrace. well there you go, still, lots of you are getting in the crime story, is the one that's got you talking. apparently, you believe that there's too much work ness going on in police officing , and that on in police officing, and that is one of the reasons that we're

not solving crime anymore. police need to be tougher, is what you say, christine. you said bring bring back public stocks for kids . not sure that stocks for kids. not sure that that one is going to be in anyone's manifesto. got to be honest with you there, christine. anyway, chaps, thank you very much for your time. thank you for your company at home. don't go anywhere because farage is up next. i'll see you tomorrow night . tomorrow night. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar , the sponsors of weather solar, the sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello. mixed fortunes in our weather as we head through friday. best of the dry fine weather towards the north and the west, but more cloud across eastern england with some showers and still feeling warm though in that sunshine we look at the pressure pattern. then you can see this area of high pressure it's trying to build in across the uk, so settling things down towards the north and the west, but further east, closer to that area of low pressure, more cloud and some rain here. so through thursday and evening and overnight we do hang on to more cloud down the eastern parts of england. like i

said, with some further showery outbreaks of rain spreading their way southwards and some quite brisk winds here once again further towards the north and the west, though drier, clearer and not only too cold overnight as we hang on to still that breeze. so temperatures not dropping below 10 to 12 degrees in towns and cities as we start friday morning. then we get off to a pretty fine start across parts of wales and southwest england. some cloud around to start the morning, but also some sunshine. but then we run into that thicker cloud across central and eastern parts of england, with some showery outbreaks of rain affecting lincolnshire, east anglia, southeast england through the morning. so quite a wet start to the day here, but a fine picture across northern ireland, much of northern england and scotland. lots of sunshine to start the day, just a few showers across the very far north and the west of scotland, and it's more of the same really, as we head through the rest of friday. always the thickest of the clouds across central and eastern parts of england, with further showery outbreaks of rain spreading the way southwards, particularly across east anglia and the south—east of england. so by the afternoon some pretty heavy showers possible across the southeast with them. some thunder possible here too, but elsewhere, though the further north and the west you go generally more in the

west sunshine, slightly lighter winds as well. so in that sunshine feeling pleasantly warm , we're looking at highs of 17 to 20 degrees there, which is slightly above where we should be for this time of the year. and it's more of the same as we head into saturday. high pressure still dominating across most of the country. still a few showers across the southeast, but elsewhere, largely dry. some cloud around at times, but that cloud around at times, but that cloud will break to give some spells of sunshine, so staying largely settled as we head into sunday into the start of next week, with some sunshine temperatures rising 23 degrees there possible in the south. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> good evening and welcome to farage with me. camilla tominey. once again. we've got a jam

packed show for you. >> we're going to bring you news of yet another defection from laboun of yet another defection from labour. from tories to labour. it'd be good if it was the other way around. we're also going to catch you up on day eight of the campaign trail. is it only day eight? good god, we've got a long run to go until july the 4th. we're going to be talking about reforms , idea of taxing about reforms, idea of taxing businesses that use migrants. i'm going to be discussing that with richard tice in just a moment. and let's ask ourselves this question. are the left in danger of eating themselves over the diane abbott fiasco? but first, here's the news with polly middlehurst . camilla, polly middlehurst. camilla, thank you and good evening to you. well, the top story from the gb newsroom tonight is, as you've been hearing, mark logan, who represented bolton north east for the conservatives, is reportedly leaving the party. he's told media outlets the conservatives are now

unrecognisable. his word