blocked from being labour's been blocked from being labour's candidates. pfizer in chingford following an inquisition by labour's national executive committee. are we witnessing a new shady form of mccarthyism .7 new shady form of mccarthyism.7 meanwhile, the reform party has issued its first immigration policy. today, businesses will be forced to pay higher national insurance on foreign employees , insurance on foreign employees, but to higher taxes on businesses sound particularly concerned . native and a row has concerned. native and a row has unfolded over the conservative party's supposed spending pledges. shadow chief secretary to the treasury had this to say yesterday that the party has set out a number of policies in this first week of the general election campaign, which is over £70 billion of unfunded spending commitments . £70 billion of unfunded spending commitments. but was he telling the truth? the tories have come out fighting , claiming using the out fighting, claiming using the same logic means labour promises a cost. a staggering unfunded £1961; a cost. a staggering unfunded £1964 billion. well, who's really telling the truth? plus, the message is that islam is

america's last hope. >> okay , many of them. >> okay, many of them. >> okay, many of them. >> what happens when an entire town council is muslim run? well, gb news is very own. stephen edgington has released our latest documentary focused on the first muslim run council in the united states . it in the united states. it features goat carcases in bins, music lessons being banned, pro—hamas rallies, lgbt flags being banned and seven year olds wearing burqas . state of the wearing burqas. state of the nafion wearing burqas. state of the nation starts now . nation starts now. i'll also be joined by a spectacular panel gb news political commentator nigel nelson and conservative peer and journalist lord goodman. that's all coming up after the latest headunes. headlines. >> good evening. the top story

tonight from the gb newsroom. mark logan, who represented bolton north east for the conservative party, is reportedly defecting to labour. he's told media the conservatives are now unrecognisable from when he first joined and he's urging people to cross the floor and support labour instead . it's the support labour instead. it's the third defection by a tory mp to labourin third defection by a tory mp to labour in just over one month, he told the bbc his application to join the labour party was going in today. to join the labour party was going in today . meanwhile, the going in today. meanwhile, the prime minister warned that labour's net zero policies will hurt britain's economy. touring a factory in buckinghamshire today, rishi sunak acknowledged that recent years had been tough. but he said labour's plan tough. but he said labour's plan to achieve net zero was too costly . costly. >> i've been very clear that we need to get there in a different way to what had been proposed previously, and that means we need to be more serious, hard headed and pragmatic about it, because there are a couple of things that i want to prioritise. i want to prioritise our country's energy security

that we've seen in the last couple of years. what's happened right when we're held hostage by dictators like putin, we can't have that happen. so that's why i'm supportive of energy coming out of the north sea. we're going to need it for decades to come. we better off getting it here at home. it's good for our economy, good for our jobs, good for our energy security. that's something that the labour party opposes. >> rishi sunak well, sir keir starmer is standing by wales's first minister, vaughan gething, as labour's campaign arrived in wales today. sir keir thanked mr gething for his leadership and said he was looking forward to a new partnership with the first minister if labour takes power. sir keir says he's proud of labour's record in wales and said mr gething, who is facing a vote of no confidence next week, is doing a very good job. labour's deputy leader angela rayner says she doesn't see any reason why diane abbott can't stand as a labour mp at the next general election, according to reports in the guardian. angela rayner said she believes mr

abbott hasn't been treated fairly or appropriately. meanwhile mr abbott says the labour whip has been restored this week after a long suspension. but she accused sir keir starmer of culling the party's left wing in response , party's left wing in response, sir keir said he wants the highest quality candidates and described her career as trailblazing . the green party trailblazing. the green party today set out its vision to tackle the cost of living in britain, improve housing and treat the polluted waterways of the country. in its campaign launch in bristol. co—leader carla denyer told the event this afternoon that labour had backtracked on its green investments and that greens role investments and that greens role in the new parliament would be critical. recent polls put the party at 6, and it says it's hoping to elect four mps in july . meanwhile, businesses are hiring foreign workers should be subject to an employer immigration tax . that's immigration tax. that's according to reform uk reform's

leader richard tice said today the new levy would help end what he called a deadly addiction to cheap overseas labour. joined by the party's honorary president nigel farage. they claim that mass migration had driven down wages for british citizens. i think for too many people, work doesn't pay and that's what we've got to do. >> we've got to overcome this addiction. if you want to bring in people from overseas, then there's a price to that because this great country of ours, this incredible nation, we've all paid for it over decades and decades. so it's not unreasonable to expect you to chip in a bit . chip in a bit. >> richard tice for all the top stories, do sign up to gb news alerts, scan the qr code on your screen, or go to gb news. com slash alerts . slash alerts. >> thanks, polly. welcome back

to state of the nation. the past 24 hours might offer some insight into what a starmer led labour government could look like, and for many on the left, it could be summed up by a single word mccarthyism. yes, mccarthyism describes the post—war red scare era in the united states , in which united states, in which individuals suspected of left wing activity faced opaque political persecution over alleged links to communism. but for some on the right, the last 24 hours within labour looks more like a series of stalinist purges. but was this all as ruthless as stalin or as hapless as mr bean? well first it was diane abbott, the labour member. hackney north and stoke newington told a crowd outside hackney town hall last night . hackney town hall last night. she said as long as it is possible , i will be your mp for possible, i will be your mp for hackney north and stoke newington . i will not let myself newington. i will not let myself be intimidated. first, keir

starmer insisted the investigation into abbott's allegedly anti—semitic remarks was was still underway. well, then it emerged the investigation concluded half a year ago . then we were told she year ago. then we were told she was being banned from standing as a labour mp , only for then it as a labour mp, only for then it to be reported that she was hoping to retire with dignity . hoping to retire with dignity. but now labour says no decision has been taken and open warfare has been taken and open warfare has opened up over the last three days. the latest development is angela rayner and a host of trade unions are demanding that abbott does stand as a labour candidate . but as a labour candidate. but perhaps miss abbott was really just the canary in the coal mine yesterday. left wing labour mp lloyd russell—moyle announced he'd been suspended from the labour party just hours before parliament dissolved following what he called a vexatious and politically motivated complaint about his behaviour. eight years ago, the complaint being lodged at such a late date means he's unable to stand in the upcoming election, and in what appears to be a confirmation of a particular peculiar pattern of

purging candidates. faiza shaheen , who was set to be shaheen, who was set to be labour's candidate for chingford, has been told she cannot stand following an inquisition from labour's. national executive committee. well, they heard about posts she'd liked on social media about the israel—palestine conflict that go back as far as 2014. here's what she told bbc newsnight. >> i honestly, i'm just so shocked right now to be treated this badly after being such an active member of the party and, you know, we were one of the tiny number six tory held seats in 2019 that had a swing to labour to act like i am some kind of person that can't, you know, that isn't good at elections , you know, that elections, you know, that frustrates the labour. labour's purpose? >> well, the great irony here is that the labour party is positioning itself as a rules based party, a party of stability, a party of grown ups . stability, a party of grown ups. however, we're not seeing this principle playing out when it

comes to this chaotic candidate purge and selfish , afflicted purge and selfish, afflicted civil war. perhaps that's why a hastily briefed out newsline hits journalist inbox this evening . a new tory to labour evening. a new tory to labour defection from the former conservative mp mark logan. although in making his announcement public, logan was desperately keen to tell everyone that the press release was not hasty at all. instead that his letter was written yesterday when he was still an mp . he was curiously keen to mp. he was curiously keen to point out the date which was handed written on that letter. now, if this was really written yesterday, why wasn't it released yesterday? far from it. me to say, but, a cynic might think that the letter was in fact written in haste today and simply backdated in order to keep mp on the letterhead and to distract from labour's bizarre, self—inflicted civil war. but what's the truth of it all? well i'm delighted to be joined now by contributing editor to novara

media, michael walker and my panel gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson, and conservative peer and journalist lord goodman. michael, i'm going to start with you. the labour party is clearly going through a bit of a tumultuous time, at a time when there 20 or if you believe some polls 30 points ahead, why are they doing this to themselves? >> i suppose there's two theories. i mean, one, that there are some fairly unpleasant people around. keir starmer i do think that seems to be the case with diane abbott. so it seems that with diane abbott there was an issue whereby there was going to be a choreographed exit. obviously you know, she's clearly towards the end of her career. maybe she can stand one more time, but she's not sort of at the beginning of her career. so i think there there was an issue where people around keir starmerjust issue where people around keir starmer just couldn't help but brief to the press in a way that would humiliate her. and that's why this whole thing has massively blown up. i think there's a separate issue with people such as faiza shaheen, which is that the leadership is terrified of there being any kind of charismatic young politician in the party who might question their authority, and you know, this might make

sense if there was this huge block of left wing mps who are really going to make life a nightmare for keir starmer. really going to make life a nightmare for keir starmer . but nightmare for keir starmer. but if you look at the labour mps and what they've been doing over the past four years, they've been incredibly quiet, right? keir starmer's authority within the labour party is absolutely assured and this to me seems to be sort of really unnecessary and sort of authoritarian nastiness . nastiness. >> lord goodwin, lord goodman, sorry, is this paranoia at the top of the labour party? >> keir starmer's never going to be stronger within the labour party than he is now. a general election approaching. they all want to get the conservatives out and they're willing to march in step to do that. that situation will change after the general election. the left hasn't gone away. if they have a big majority, it will actually loosen inhibitions about opposing the government. if they have a small one. i was in parliament during the last blair government and you had individual mps on the left

causing him a lot of trouble. so starmer is wanting to move now while he's at his strongest, and that's why he's done it justly or unjustly. >> and nigel nelson, there's a long and proud tradition within the labour party of purges from one faction to the other. some say that one faction within the labour party probably hates the other faction within the labour party more than they hate the tories. >> yeah, well, it's very tribal and tribes go to war with each other, so that certainly happens in the labour party on these, these three different things. diane abbott will probably be allowed back in. i think she'll be able to stand. i can't see after all the fuss that's been going on that she won't be able to, lloyd russell—moyle is a different case. it depends very much when the complaint against him was made. was it before before the election was announced or after? if it was after the election was announced, then he's got he's got a reasonable suspicion that this is politically motivated, but it almost doesn't matter, does it? >> i mean, the same thing happened to ross thompson , the happened to ross thompson, the conservative mp up in aberdeen who had a complaint lodged against him. he was later found to not be upheld by the house of

commons authorities. but that hung over him when the 2019 election was called. and so he couldn't stand. he lost his seat. >> and this is obviously what's what's happened to lloyd. but what's happened to lloyd. but what i'm saying is that it's not politically motivated . if the politically motivated. if the complaint was made before the election was announced last wednesday, we know the complaint went in last week. we don't know when last week we sorry we don't know how many other complaints have been lodged about other people and what the labour leadership has done in respect of those complaints. there's that too. >> we also know that the original complaint refers to something which allegedly happened eight years ago. so whether or not it was before or after the election was called, it seems to me the timing is somewhat suspicious. we've also learned today that the person who's most likely to be parachuted into that seat worked in keir starmer's office for sort of most of the last eight years. so the idea that you can suddenly, oh , we've suddenly got suddenly, oh, we've suddenly got this incredibly worrying complaint that refers to something that happened eight years ago this person can't stand, and there can't be any process whereby they can try and clear their name because we don't have time. oh, it just so

happens that someone i'm very close to and a good close friend of mine can can take that seat. >> don't worry. but michael walker didn't exactly the same thing happen under the last leadership in one of the ilford seats, you had a centrist called jazz who was standing. many people thought he would get selected for that seat. and then the last minute, an anonymous complaint about his behaviour was put in. many months later, it was found to be dropped and not mean anything, but it meant that a corbyn mr by the name of sam tarry took that seat without the opposition from the centrist person . this this has happened person. this this has happened before. from the other angle, i think you can find examples of this sort of when there's any leader . leader. >> i think the overwhelming sort of preponderate of it here and just this enormous i think this is a purge because you're seeing the number of people. one thing that's also sort of worth noting here, mccarthyism, lots of that was not just about the people who you punish. it was the fear you instil in everyone else. and you instil in everyone else. and you know that there are a lot of mps in the labour party now who

feel completely outraged by what's happening to diane abbott, by what's happened to faiza shaheen. none of them are saying a word because they're all absolutely terrified that there is no due process in this political party. and the moment they step out of line, they can be kicked out. >> this is fascinating. i was watching a labour mp on a television programme on tuesday night who kept saying the words, i don't think starmer has done anything wrong, but some of his advisers might be pushing him in the wrong direction. it's like what was said to medieval kings. no, his majesty cannot do any wrong . but some of his advisers, wrong. but some of his advisers, well, they might be badly advised. >> it's your death of stalin tweet. >> yes, yes, because of course, there were sort of this climate of fear that that went across it. but perhaps that's what keir starmer wants to project. >> well, i have to say, for the sort of voters he's trying to project to, i'm not sure the diane abbott business aside, where he's he or some of his advisers have clearly not succeeded in doing what they want to do. i think at this particular point in time, projecting strength to that group of voters is a winner for

him. whether or not we'll all regret it in the longer term is a different matter. >> it would be a winner for him if it was projecting strength. but if nigel nelson's right, this will be a botched coup. yes, i think botched coups. yes tend to leave those who tried to perform them weaker than otherwise . otherwise. >> and the fisa shaheen thing, i think is a particular case here. i mean, i've been looking through the tweets now and none of them, as far as i can see would warrant her being suspended and therefore not allowed to stand. so, i mean , it allowed to stand. so, i mean, it seems to me that they've hit the wrong target there. it's not like we had in rochdale where the candidate was saying, israel actually let let the massacre happen. >> just a final word to michael walker. >> well, they've hit the right target. if what they wanted to do was deny any opposition within the party. i mean, i don't think she even, you know, interviews shaheen gave to newsnight was actually quite magnanimous about keir starmer considering what had happened to her. but she's very articulate, very talented. she's from the area working class background, went on to be a professor at a university of inequality. she is leadership material, really , and leadership material, really, and i think that's probably why

they've picked on this one person for incredibly spurious reasons. even though she's had a baby two months ago. >> well, michael walker and indeed to my panel, thank you all. i'm afraid that's all we've got time for in that discussion. but so much more to come up in this programme reform. united kingdom reform uk have announced their first immigration policy today, but with net migration at nearly 700,000 last year, would it even cut the mustard? plus, we'll be asking the existential question is islam america's last and final

hope? good evening. it's 8:20. i'm tom harwood gb news, deputy political editor. and this is state of the nation. now, earlier today, reform uk claimed they had an antidote to britain's net migration problem . britain's net migration problem. let's take a listen. >> the british economy, our great economy. it has a deadly ,

great economy. it has a deadly, deadly addiction. that's the harsh truth. it's the drug of cheap overseas labour and the cure is an employer. immigration tax. so what we need to do is we need to incentivise business to say, actually, if you want to employ people from overseas, that's fine , but you've got to that's fine, but you've got to pay a that's fine, but you've got to pay a price for it. >> well, the reform party would force most employers to pay over 6% extra national insurance for every foreign worker they employ. tice claimed this would end decades of britain's economy being hooked on cheap foreign laboun being hooked on cheap foreign labour. but does it cut the mustard? let's talk to the deputy leader of reform uk, as well as my panel, the conservative journalist and peer lord goodman. gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson. but ben habib joins me first. ben, is this a u—turn from reform uk? a u—turn, a

u—turn, a u—turn, first of all, first of all, we heard that you had a net zero immigration policy. a policy of what was almost implied to be a cap. have you ditched that policy? no, not at all. in favour of a new one? >> no, this this policy sits alongside that policy. this is an economic incentive . look, an economic incentive. look, taxes and regulations imposed by government achieve a number of things. one of them is to direct behaviour within the economy and within our society . and what within our society. and what we're trying to do is direct british employers away from their addiction. as richard put it , on cheap their addiction. as richard put it, on cheap imported labour towards upskilling people in this country, employing people in this country and indeed automating so that the massive productivity problem that we've had over the last ten, 15 years goes away, and that wages can rise, that people can be more prosperous and that people. and as wages rise , people leave, you as wages rise, people leave, you know, leave their sofas and their dependency culture. and

remember, there are 6 million people in this country surviving on universal credit to a greater or less extent and come back into the workplace, which , by into the workplace, which, by the way, is not just a win for the way, is not just a win for the private sector . it's a win the private sector. it's a win for the government because they cease to be taking benefits and they start paying taxes. so if you can make work, pay , which is you can make work, pay, which is what this policy is aimed at, you not just benefit british citizens who get better work and better wages . you you benefit better wages. you you benefit the private sector, you benefit gdp per capita and you benefit the exchequer's pocket. >> do you know this policy won't be inflationary if suddenly for the same output businesses have to pay higher wages , they'll to pay higher wages, they'll likely have to increase prices and increase costs, and then people will demand higher wages. and then the costs will go up and the prices will go. well i've got a couple of price spiral. >> well i don't think it's going to come from a 6% imposition of extra cost on those whom are employed in the uk and have come from abroad. that is about 10% of the workforce. you don't

create that kind of wage inflation spiral in the way that you describe. >> can i have this policy then surely is to bring more people back into work, i.e. through higher wages, because at the moment it's uncompetitive . moment it's uncompetitive. correct. so it is a wage increasing policy. absolutely. and how would businesses pay for that? >> well, we are a very pro—business party. so we one of our signature policies is the reduction of corporation tax on businesses from 25% to 20% and to 15% in due course, when we can afford it. the removal and this is a big thing, the removal of vat on fuel, the elimination of vat on fuel, the elimination of the green tax on fuel, which has burdened businesses. it's also made the country energy dependent rather than energy independent, the whole net zero thing. so that will cut costs for businesses . and we are going for businesses. and we are going to take small and medium sized enterprises out of business rates. and remember, a lot of the people who come in from abroad are working in real physical shops and coffee shops

and restaurants and so on. and by taking that element of the economy out of business rates, you're in fact reducing the burden on these businesses. >> so tax cuts in some areas , >> so tax cuts in some areas, but tax rises for those that employ foreign workers, this is a direct this is changing their behaviour. how does this fit in with the net zero policy. how would you achieve the net zero policy. is it a cap. this is this is an incentive for business to do the right thing . business to do the right thing. >> the net zero policy will be a cap correct. >> so why then do you need this policy if you're capping the number of people coming in with a one in, one out policy, i'm not quite sure how that would work in practice. but why do you then need this additional measure? >> well, because the rampant immigration that we've experienced doesn't come just from those people who've come to the country to work. it also comes from people who've come here by rishi sunak own admission, to do mickey mouse degrees. >> just, just finally and independence. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> with this one in, one out policy, if, i go off to work in

the united states of america, say, a year or two, and then come back to the country , but come back to the country, but there haven't been enough people who've left the country, will i be barred from returning to my own country? you're a british citizen. >> you're welcome. here no. look, there are 1.2 to 1.4 million people a year coming into the uk. that is unsustainable at any level . the unsustainable at any level. the net immigration figure is about 750,000. so we've got something like 4 or 500,000 people leaving the country each year. the bulk of that is immigrants who came to the country leaving. but we do have a small amount, 100 to just over 100,000 of british citizens leaving the country each year. >> but also there's net immigration numbers include british citizens returning. so you'd exclude those, presumably. yeah >> the you take the net figure. absolutely. >> let's turn that to nigel nelson. are you convinced? >> no, because i think this policy is daft and simplistic, i mean, the first thing is to say you're a party of business and then impose an extra cost on business that's unnecessary is

extraordinary . first of all, the extraordinary. first of all, the government are doing all these things that the skilled worker visa has gone up by about £12,000. that takes it to the wage of the average british skilled, skilled worker , the 20% skilled, skilled worker, the 20% discount on foreign workers in shortage occupations has been abolished . so again, you're on abolished. so again, you're on the same. >> the same wage has been abolished, nigel. >> they've talked about abolishing it abolished. and they've talked about increasing they've talked about increasing the minimum wage for a work visa from 26,000 to 38,000. they haven't done that either. >> but the bill is actually there. >> and what you're ignoring, if i may say so, is the huge burden on british infrastructure and pubuc on british infrastructure and public services that come from immigrants coming to this country. and that is not accounted for in the it's a separate issue in the bean counting approach that the treasury takes to immigration. >> let's thrown out this to paul goodman. lord goodman, lord goodman, this is of course , a goodman, this is of course, a bit of a sore spot for the conservatives because over the last two years we have had an operationally high migration.

>> immigration has been much too high, and i think it's absolutely right to say that business must play a part in bringing it down. i thought the thrust of your question is perfectly fair questions. was that business should be allowed to do more or less whatever it likes, if it wants to bring the labour in. and i conservative, isn't it? no, it isn't actually, because conservatism believes in balancing the market and national interests. it's kind of where the balance lies. >> that's what it used to believe in. >> that said. that said, i'm a bit sceptical about ben's policy because, as nigel said, the government rather late, is doing a lot of this already. and let's be frank about that. reform ain't going to win any seats , so ain't going to win any seats, so it's got a great deal of license to say whatever it likes in policy. well, let's ask about the mechanics of reform now, because it's interesting seeing whenever nigel farage tends to speak the cameras listen, he gets all the, the pictures in the, in the newspapers and all the, in the newspapers and all the rest of it, you're the deputy leader . richard tice is deputy leader. richard tice is the leader. nigel is just the honorary president . why is he honorary president. why is he getting all the attention? well, you tell me. >> you're the media. you're the ones who are giving him all the

attention. >> but does it does it create a bit of a bit of friction with them? >> no, not at all. i think nigel is doing a fantastic job for keeping us in the light, as it were, during what's going to be, you know, a blitzkrieg of an election. >> i want to ask you why. why did isabel oakeshott, richard tice other half, tweet this this yesterday? why did she seem to feel the need to tweet this tweet emphasising that richard tice is the leader, and almost suggesting that people are paying suggesting that people are paying too much attention to nigel farage. >> isabel was just making it utterly clear that there will be no deals with the conservative party. nigel had that interview with harry cole was it yesterday? time is going so quickly, yesterday in which there was a suggestion that he might entertain some form of deal with the conservative party, but there can be no deal with the conservative party because sadly, even though i completely endorse everything lord goodman said about the need to preserve national interests to preserve national interests to and conserve, the conservative party has forgotten about national interests . you about national interests. you know, one of the reasons i'm going to digress very briefly,

one of the reasons you see conservative party mps able to cross the floor to the labour party is because the conservative party like the labour party, are both globalist. they don't see the prosperity of this country through the promotion of british national interests and the promotion of british people's interests. they see it through some kind of supranational get together, rubbing shoulders with each other at the g7. the eu, the w.h.0, each other at the g7. the eu, the who, the each other at the g7. the eu, the w.h.0, the un. each other at the g7. the eu, the who, the un. that's how they see it . and that's why they they see it. and that's why they don't care about immigration, because they don't really care about british citizens. >> belhabib it's a strong case you've put across. thank you for coming in. and thank you for answering the challenge as well. well, thanks also to my panel after the break. we'll be getting to the bottom of whether the conservatives are really planning to spend £70 billion without knowing where the money is coming from . plus, we'll be is coming from. plus, we'll be over to the united states of america. stephen edgington's visited an all muslim led city where communist locals somehow support both progressivism and palestine, which is notably not much of a progressive part of the world palestine thing, but also , if you move slightly,

also, if you move slightly, we've got this hamtramck pride. >> do think that there's a bit of a conflict between this

>> good evening. it's 8:34. my name is tom harwood gb news, deputy political editor. this is state of the nation. now both parties are up to their old tncks parties are up to their old tricks with dubiously costing each other's promises. in this general election this week, we've heard this talking point on repeat . on repeat. >> well, look, the conservative party has set out a number of policies in this first week of the general election campaign, which is over £70 billion of unfunded spending commitments . unfunded spending commitments. and it's for the conservative party to answer the question, how are you funding these commitments? as we've said it today, there is a real risk of unfunded policies affecting directly family finances, as we've experienced after liz truss and kwasi kwarteng , well

truss and kwasi kwarteng, well taken aback by labour party's calculation on this, the tories hit back with their own counter costings, saying that using the same logic, the labour party has pledged, quote, £1964 billion of unfunded annual borrowing , of unfunded annual borrowing, whacking brits with a 69% increase. >> interest rate rise. but is any of this true? how did we get these bizarre numbers? have the conservatives really pledged 70 billion of unfunded spending? well the short answer is no. the labour party seems to be playing a communications bait and switch game by conflating what the conservatives have proposed as official policy with what they have said they would might like to do in the future if they possibly could. well, i've got these documents in front of me. the, the labour party's costings documents is here in order to get to £70 billion. they include the entire abolition of inheritance tax, the entire

abolition of national insured once, the entire ending of high marginal tax rates. now, i don't know about you, but i'm not sure jeremy hunt has said explicitly he's going to abolish the £0.45 rate. so i don't think he's said that he is going to abolish inheritance tax. he said he'd like to do that in the future if he possibly could. but that's not the same as a spending pledge. my panel are still with me. nigel nelson it's a bit of spin, isn't it? >> both are both sides are, and i think that the voters will be wise to ignore all this, this stuff being put out by both parties because they're not realistic. and you're absolutely right . the labour calculation is right. the labour calculation is based on what jeremy hunt says he'd like to do. but then the tory calculation from the treasury, doesn't it gets a load of, of labour party policies, wrong things. they haven't actually pledged . actually pledged. >> oh nigel, i should i should just say this is not the calculation from the treasury , calculation from the treasury, which was a much more mild

figure. this was almost a joke that the conservative campaigners put out in response to the labour party's costings document, which included everything that they found labour shadow cabinet ministers saying they would like to do in the future, for example, reducing corporation tax to 12.5, unfreezing the personal allowance thresholds, cut, raising defence spending to 2.5. so they've included lots of things that labour haven't said that they'd explicitly do, whereas the treasury documents included things that the labour party said they would do. >> not all of them, i mean, that was fed in by, tory special advisers . and the treasury advisers. and the treasury officials came out with the same rubbish that went in, and that's what came out of it. rubbish that went in, and that's what came out of it . the point what came out of it. the point here is don't pay any attention to it. this is what the voters, the voters would be. what advice to do? wait till the manifestos come out and see the proper costings there, and then work out which plan you think is better and which side you can trust most . trust most. >> so, paul, should we just rip these up? are these utterly , these up? are these utterly, utterly useless? are politicians

devaluing the what is actually supposed to be pretty rigorous work? >> well, tom, you had a lot of fun with that, and quite rightly see certain devaluation going on. but it's not the one to which you're referring. and yes, you might as well tear them up. i think a much bigger problem is that public spending after the election is looking to be very tight . whoever wins, and there's tight. whoever wins, and there's going to be a question about whether those spending limits are realistic and what the politicians are going to do. if they're not, are they actually going to cut further than this already comparatively tight settlement , or already comparatively tight settlement, or are already comparatively tight settlement , or are they already comparatively tight settlement, or are they going to put up taxes? and that is a particular question for labour, because after all, it's labour's itch, the itch of labour backbench mps anyway, to spend money. >> nigel nelson , the junior >> nigel nelson, the junior doctors, are going to strike in the week leading up to the general election. the nhs this yearis general election. the nhs this year is £3 billion in deficit, despite the over 50 billion extra pounds it's been given in the last decade each year. what? what on earth is going to happen?i

what on earth is going to happen? i mean, clearly some taxes are going to have to go up if the labour party wants to end these strikes. >> why? >> why? >> because they'll have to pay their junior doctors more. >> well, i mean, the this is something the present government are facing that they won't sit down and negotiate with the junior doctors. they've been able to settle with the nurses, settle with the consultants, but not with the junior doctors. so, if a government is sat down with them, that would help. yes, it will cost a bit more , but then will cost a bit more, but then labour have got a plan there to actually reduce waiting lists, which goes over and above that, and they will get more by working evenings and weekends to cut hospital hospital appointments by 40,000 a week. >> and yet, nigel, it's interesting the labour party always says taxes are too high on working people . they always on working people. they always do that qualifier. now to me, as a journalist, that makes my ears prick up, okay, who aren't working people , pensioners, my working people, pensioners, my taxes go up on pensioners who aren't working people, perhaps those with assets. might they increase taxes on assets? >> labour have made clear where the taxes are going to fall. they'll fall on non—doms.

they'll fall on non—doms. they'll fall on the on the energy giants and they'll fall on private schools. there are no plans then to actually raise taxes elsewhere. are well, look, it's in government. >> you know, whoever wins taxes go >> you know, whoever wins taxes 9° up >> you know, whoever wins taxes go up all the time. so, for example, in every budget people raise alcohol duties, tobacco dufies raise alcohol duties, tobacco duties or so on. in some sort of measure duty, fuel duty. so, you know, you can't simply say those are the areas in which labour, all the conservatives for that matter, will raise taxes and there won't be any others there are still some gaps. i'd like to look very carefully at the language about wealth taxes, about capital taxes , about about capital taxes, about possibly higher council tax bands. rightly or wrongly , i bands. rightly or wrongly, i suspect labour may go there for revenue. and the question if they do is what happens when they've got the revenue from that? and they still want to spend? >> but do you believe the conservatives, when they say they'll find all of these efficiency savings within departments in the next five years? >> i'm sure there are more efficiency savings to be found, but i'm always a bit sceptical of politicians who simply say it can be done by efficiency

savings alone. >> well, there we go. i think the conclusion of this conversation is we can say goodbye to these pretend costing documents and try and do our own homework . thank you to my panel. homework. thank you to my panel. now, coming up after the break, we'll be speaking to stephen edgington about the shocking things he uncovered in america's first fully muslim led city. >> you support death penalty for

>> welcome back. i'm tom harwood gb news deputy political editor. this is state of the nation. now in hamtramck in michigan is america's only city with a fully muslim council . not so long ago, muslim council. not so long ago, liberals celebrated it as a bastion of multiculturalism. however, with the city's new leadership taking anti—lgbtq measures like banning pride flags. it's progressive credentials have somewhat nosedived. well, gb news us

correspondent stephen edgington took a trip to hamtramck. ham, ham truck. it's a difficult word to say. well, he took that trip to say. well, he took that trip to find out exactly what is going on. let's have a look at the clip from one of his special reports. >> when october seventh happened, this massacre of jews last year , what was your reaction? >> my reaction was, i heard about it in the media and i don't really, i don't typically believe the official narratives that i hear in medias, how many of them were killed by the idf? >> well, they were killed by hamas. >> that's what's alleged. >> that's what's alleged. >> you think the idf killed their own people? >> i think absolutely, some of their people were killed. why would they do that? at minimum, friendly fire at minimum. but there are those that are of the view that many of them were killed by their own side. >> but hamas was celebrating it. they were putting out videos of them killing, killing these jewish civilians and saying a great thing. >> i've seen that. yeah

>> i've seen that. yeah >> interesting. well, this is a full documentary available now on youtube. so as soon as we end the show, why not have a little look? but stephen joins us now. and, stephen, what did you make of hamtramck? is islam really america's last hope? >> that's a good question , tom. >> that's a good question, tom. that's certainly one of the things that an imam told us in this documentary. and that was actually in dearborn , just down actually in dearborn, just down the road from hamtramck. so you have these two cities in detroit, in michigan, which are majority muslim, majority arab and in the case of hamtramck, they in 2021, the muslim council, it became fully muslim. so for the first time in american history, a local government, every single member of that government was a muslim. and since then, the government has passed a series of very controversial laws, first of all, banning lgbt flags on government buildings. now, i and many conservatives may support that, as being kind of an

anti—woke measure , but obviously anti—woke measure, but obviously local liberals in the town have become very upset . the former become very upset. the former mayor told us that lgbt people no longer feel safe in hamtramck, but another law that they've done is they've allowed for animal sacrifice in people's residential homes, where they can sort of slaughter goats and things like that . and one person things like that. and one person actually told us that they found actually told us that they found a goat carcase in their rubbish bin one day. and interestingly, this issue has been very controversial in america because just a few weeks ago, there was a rally very close to hamtramck in dearborn, as i say, where muslim activists were shouting death to america. now they were pro gaza protesters . and this pro gaza protesters. and this was one of the things that i asked people in hamtramck was, what is your response to this chant? death to america ? what do chant? death to america? what do you think about that slogan? and i think we've actually got a clip here of what one of the responses from someone in hamtramck said to that in dearborn, just down the road recently. there was a rally which went viral across america because you had people shouting death to america. what do you

think about that chant ? think about that chant? >> i think it's awesome. i mean , >> i think it's awesome. i mean, i'm black. yeah. i mean, it's like i come from a people who are forced to be here, you know, i think a lot of arabs were not brought here through the slave trade, but were forced to be here because america bombed their countries to smithereens, because what is america, right. it's like the centre for genocide . genocide. >> so there you have it, tom. one of the responses from a local liberal person who worked in a tattoo parlour, who openly was supporting this death to america chant, absolutely extraordinary. we did interview local muslims and imams as well. by local muslims and imams as well. by the way , none of whom by the way, none of whom supported the death to america chant. one of the imams did did say he didn't like america very much , but all of them basically much, but all of them basically said islam is a religion of peace. said islam is a religion of peace . it's a religion of life. peace. it's a religion of life. it's not a religion of death . it's not a religion of death. and but at the same time you

have these local liberals, some of whom seem to be supporting these terrible anti—american slogans. so i think there was a real irony that we found in hamtramck and dearborn, where the muslims were saying one thing, and then you had the liberals saying something else where you would have thought it would be the other way around. >> it is absolutely fascinating to see people who would, say cream from one end of the earth to the other about a conservative, for example, banning an lgbt flag , but then banning an lgbt flag, but then cheer to the rafters. the election of an all muslim council, which then does exactly the same thing. i've got to ask you, stephen, are there any women on this council? >> there was a woman on the council. there isn't now. and the woman, interestingly enough , the woman, interestingly enough, was a polish woman. so hamtramck used to be a polish american town, very much dominated by that immigrant group until recently, where you have yemeni muslims who have flooded in recently. so they did have a poush recently. so they did have a polish woman a few years ago on the council, and she was

actually a convert to islam. however, she since left the council, she resigned under some very interesting, i would say, rather dubious circumstances as we heard from various people in the town, certain rumours as to why that happened. some people were linking it to this idea that she didn't sign a pro or, sorry, an anti—israel , letter sorry, an anti—israel, letter that some of the other council members asked her to sign. maybe there's another reason. so it's quite interesting, this issue of women in hamtramck, for sure . women in hamtramck, for sure. there's definitely controversies around that, some people told us about the fact that seven year old girls are wearing burqas. you know, you walk down the street of hamtramck, an american city, you would never think to see such a sight. i mean, we saw people wearing burqas everywhere . and another another thing people were complaining about was, you know , just generally was, you know, just generally the social aspect of how women are treated in the family. so one person was saying, well, we see women are the mothers kind of in the back of cars where, where the sort of younger sons are in the front. and maybe that's a bit of a social status

thing, i don't know. but certainly this issue of banning the lgbt flag on government buildings, as i say, many conservatives, i think, probably rightly support that ban because they want to keep government buildings impartial. they don't think they should be promoting lgbt propaganda and so on. and i know that michael flynn, who's a sort of former adviser to president trump, actually came to hamtramck a few months ago and met with the local mayor. now, it's interesting as well. this local council and the mayor have also been accused of sharing anti—semitic and, frankly, racist social media posts. so there's a lot of different angles going on here. you have the conservatives supporting them for some things, the liberals saying that it's great because it's all diverse and everything else, but then also there's the issue of radicalism, anti—semitism and so on. >> i don't know that the definition of diversity was all men of one religion with a concern of abrahamic faith seemingly squeezing out all sorts of other diversity. it's an absolutely fascinating report

that you've done, stephen. highly recommend checking it out on the gb news youtube channel. thank you very, very much for joining us. i do just want to show a tweet now from the ayatollah of iran. and perhaps this is something for american university students to dwell upon. this is what the ayatollah said. dear university students in the united states of america, you are standing on the right side of history. you are standing on the right side of history . well, if the side of history. well, if the ayatollah of iran and that murderous regime thinks you're doing something right, maybe you're doing something wrong. well, that's it from me tonight. up well, that's it from me tonight. up next, it's of course , patrick up next, it's of course, patrick christys and patrick. what's coming up? >> yes . okay. are we witnessing >> yes. okay. are we witnessing a labour party implosion ? a labour party implosion? there's been a tory defection. but who even is this guy ? is he but who even is this guy? is he a household name? is in her own home. jeremy hunt has made some bizarre claims about rishi sunak. i'll be bringing them to you. reform's got a new immigration tax policy. is it madness or genius? the greens launched their campaign today, but they didn't seem particularly keen to talk about the environment, which i found a

little bit bonkers. ed davey is still running around behaving like the village idiot. some people think it's great though. and the muslim vote .co.uk has launched their campaign and i will be leading with that . will be leading with that. >> tom, it's an absolutely fascinating time in politics. patrick, i just got to ask you, are you delighted now there are officially no members of parliament as of one minute past midnight this morning, we have no parliament and no mps. >> yeah, look, it's absolutely fantastic. this is a real purple patch that we're going through here. 9 to 11 pm. why? because we've finally got some policies, which means you can pick some things apart and politicians have to come on and try to sell them so they can't just bury their heads in the sand anymore. we are absolutely tearing through it here. 9 to 11 pm. and we are loving every single minute of it. it is the place to be. >> marvellous, patrick, where we'll tune in from nine until 11 on patrick christys tonight . on patrick christys tonight. i've got to say that's it from me on state of the nation this evening, but i'll be back on monday at this same time at 8 pm. of course, this is

pm. of course, this is a railroad of a of a general election. it is already ramping up. we've heard lots of policies but still are awaiting manifest those. and we're going to dissect every minute of it here on the state of the nation. of course, if you have any thoughts of what we need to cover, do get in touch. gb news at gb views .com. but of course, that's all that we've got time for this evening and i'm delighted . evening and i'm delighted. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar , sponsors of weather on . solar, sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> hello mixed fortunes on our weather as we head through friday. best of the dry fine weather towards the north and the west, but more cloud across eastern england with some showers and still feeling warm though in that sunshine we look at the pressure pattern. then you can see this area of high pressure it's trying to build in across the uk, so settling things down towards the north and the west, but further east, closer to that area of low pressure, more cloud and some rain here. so through thursday and evening and overnight we do hang on to more cloud down the

eastern parts of england. like i said, with some further showery outbreaks of rain spreading their way southwards and some quite brisk winds here once again further towards the north and the west, though drier, clearer and not totally too cold overnight as we hang on to still that breeze. so temperatures not dropping below 10 to 12 degrees in towns and cities as we start friday morning. then we get off to a pretty fine start across parts of wales and southwest england. some cloud around to start the morning, but also some sunshine. but then we run into that thicker cloud across central and eastern parts of england, with some showery outbreaks of rain affecting lincolnshire, east anglia, southeast england through the morning. so quite a wet start to the day here, but a fine picture across northern ireland, much of northern england and scotland. lots of sunshine to start the day. just a few showers across the very far north and the west of scotland and it's more of the same really, as we head through the rest of friday. always the thickest of the clouds across central and eastern parts of england, with further showery outbreaks of rain spreading the way southwards, particularly across east anglia and the south—east of england. so by the afternoon some pretty heavy showers possible across the southeast, with some thunder possible here too. but

elsewhere, though the further north and the west you go generally more in the way of sunshine, slightly lighter winds as well. so in that sunshine, feeling pleasantly warm, we're looking at highs of 17 to 20 degrees there, which is slightly above where we should be for this time of the year. and it's more of the same as we head into saturday. high pressure still dominating across most of the country. a few showers country. still a few showers across the southeast, but elsewhere, largely dry. some cloud around at times, but that cloud around at times, but that cloud will break to give some spells of sunshine, so staying largely settled as we head into sunday into the start of next week, with some sunshine temperatures rising 23 degrees there possible in the south. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather

gb news. >> at 9 pm. on patrick christys tonight, i've said, repeatedly over the last two years as we've selected our candidates. >> but i want the highest quality candidates .

quality candidates. >> that is labour going to implode . implode. >> i don't think there's any reason why diane couldn't stand as a labour mp . as a labour mp. >> rain has broken ranks. i i, i honestly, i'm just so shocked. >> right now to be treated this badly after after being such an active member of the party and now they're accused by that ex candidate and brown people . and brown people. >> also the is an employer immigration tax reforms latest policy madness or genius plus the muslim vote is an initiative set up by organisations and individuals here in the uk to try and unite the muslim communities. >> electoral response what are the parties doing about the muslim vote and when rishi sunak wins , i think he will have wins, i think he will have extraordinary authority .

extraordinary authority. >>