labour going to >> that is labour going to implode . implode. >> i don't think there's any reason why diane couldn't stand as a labour mp . as a labour mp. >> rain has broken ranks. i i, i honestly, i'm just so shocked. >> right now to be treated this badly after after being such an active member of the party and now they're accused by that ex candidate and brown people . and brown people. >> also the is an employer immigration tax reforms latest policy madness or genius plus the muslim vote is an initiative set up by organisations and individuals here in the uk to try and unite the muslim communities. >> electoral response what are the parties doing about the muslim vote and when rishi sunak wins , i think he will have wins, i think he will have extraordinary authority .

extraordinary authority. >> are the tories living in cloud cuckoo land and can you spot the issue here? >> it's been difficult the last few years, you know that. i know that we had a pandemic. >> meanwhile, ed davey back at it and the greens have piped up green party is ready. >> we've been ready for this general election for a long time on my panel, it's the top political hack at the express christian county. >> political commentator suzanne evans and ex labour party adviser matthew laza . oh, and adviser matthew laza. oh, and can you guess why this guy was banned to write ? thank you banned to write? thank you. get ready britain, here we go . ready britain, here we go. how worried should we be of the

muslim vote? .co.uk . muslim vote? .co.uk. next. >> the news at just after 9:00. the prime minister's warning that labour's net zero policies will hurt britain's economy . will hurt britain's economy. touring a factory in buckinghamshire today, rishi sunak acknowledged that recent years had been tough, but said labour's plan to achieve net zero is too costly . zero is too costly. >> i've been very clear that we need to get there in a different way to what had been proposed previously and that means we need to be more serious, hard headed and pragmatic about it, because there are a couple of things that i want to prioritise. i want to prioritise our country's energy security that we've seen in the last couple of years. what's happened right when we're held hostage by dictators like putin, we can't have that happen. so that's why i'm supportive of energy coming out of the north sea. we're going to need it for decades to come. we better off getting it here at home. good for our

economy, good for our jobs, good for our energy security. that's something that the labour party opposes. >> rishi sunak this afternoon, while sir keir starmer is standing by wales's first minister today, vaughan gething . minister today, vaughan gething. that is, as labour's campaign arrived in the principality , sir arrived in the principality, sir keir thanked mr gething for his leadership and said he was looking forward to a new partnership with the first minister if labour wins power. sir keir says he's proud of labour's record in wales and said mr gething, who's facing a vote of no confidence this week, is doing a very good job now. there's been a shooting in london and a nine year old girl remains in a critical condition in hospital after the event on a busy high street in east london last night, the child was dining with her family inside a restaurant in hackney when shots were fired from men outside, believed to be riding a stolen motorbike. they injured the girl and three others. one of the other injured individuals has potentially life changing

injuries. police are telling us. and the family of an raf pilot who died in a crash on saturday, say he lived life with an unwavering passion. mark long, who was 43, was killed when his spitfire crashed into a field near raf coningsby. in a statement, his family paid tribute, saying that his ability to connect with everyone he met and his infectious sense of humour will be deeply cherished by all who'll miss him . hundreds by all who'll miss him. hundreds of border force officers at heathrow airport will launch a three day strike from tomorrow in a dispute over their working hours. the public and commercial services union says more than 500 of its members working on passport control will walk out in a protest against new rosters . and lastly, the king will take part in the trooping the colour ceremony next month to celebrate his official birthday as monarch. though the princess of wales will be absent as she

continues with her cancer treatment . the king continues with her cancer treatment. the king is also still undergoing treatment for cancen still undergoing treatment for cancer, so he'll take part. we understand from the comfort of his royal carriage rather than on horseback in the usual way. the celebration typically sees the royal family gather on the balcony of buckingham palace after displays of pomp and military pageantry, all taking place this year in london on the 15th of june. that's the news for the latest stories. do sign up to gb news alerts. scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. common alerts . gb news. common alerts. >> this general election has taken so many twists and turns already. here's another one, and it's one that you might have missed. the political movement the muslim vote .co.uk released this video . this video. >> the muslim vote is an initiative set up by organisations and individuals here in the uk to try and unite the muslim communities. electoral response. in the past, we used to vote based on party,

so most of us used to vote for labour or based on personalities. so we would vote for someone with a muslim name or someone who we appreciated in our community. but we really need to move towards principle based politics. politics based on values, based on justice. in this election, the number one issue is gaza, but that doesn't mean it's the only issue. and the muslim vote here is trying to mobilise and inspire and educate muslim community here on how to engage in the political process to build not just a better britain, but a fairer britain, to there it is. >> muslims of britain. unite, mobilise the muslim vote en masse. the number one issue at this election apparently , is this election apparently, is gaza. well, how are the various different parties dealing with this? nigel farage of the reform party wants to tackle it head on. >> so we're moving into an age in our in our cities and towns. i'm afraid. i'm worried to say, of sectarian politics with women completely excluded . completely excluded. >> the labour party appears to be trying to appease the muslim

vote and beg for it back. >> if me resigning as an mp now would bring a ceasefire , no, i would bring a ceasefire, no, i would bring a ceasefire, no, i would do it. i would do it. >> the green party at the local elections appeared quite happy to welcome them in and let them stand as candidates . we will not stand as candidates. we will not be silent. >> we will raise the voice of gaza. we will raise the voice of palestine. hello >> hello . >> hello. >> hello. >> the conservatives have decided not to back down at the moment, continuing their support for israel, although david cameron is a bit squiffy on it. >> you're thinking, quite rightly, we have every right to respond to this, and they do. but we are urging that they shouldn't escalate in many ways. >> and the lib dems called for a bilateral ceasefire months ago, and now ed davey is busy doing stuff like this. so now it's official. the muslim vote .co.uk has made their declaration. should we be taking sectarian politics more seriously than we

are? let's get the thoughts of my panel this evening. senior political correspondent for the daily express. it's christine cowie . i've got political cowie. i've got political commentator suzanne evans and former labour party adviser matthew laza. suzanne, how seriously should we be taking the idea of sectarian politics? >> not at all. i mean, i think we should take it seriously. i feel really quite alarmed that we have this sectarianism in politics. >> i think nigel farage is absolutely right in what he said. i also think this is actually , treating the muslim actually, treating the muslim community quite badly. it's not one cohesive whole. not everybody is going to vote the same way. how dare they suggest that they should. i had a look at the candidates that they're endorsing. interestingly, of course, there's not a single conservative among them. most of them are independents who are very pro gaza who want a ceasefire. their manifesto for change involves things like allowing muslim prayers in schools . it absolutely calls for schools. it absolutely calls for an end to selling arms to israel. there's no doubt that the muslim vote is not a organisation that is going to

unify all muslims, which isn't possible anyway. it's actually a hard left organisation. >> well, just just on that, just on that. matthew, i ran through the way that certain parties appear to be dealing with this right now . should it be right now. should it be a concern to people that the labour party appears to want to throw their arms around them? >> well, i don't think the labour party is throwing its arms around this campaign. as suzanne's just said, this campaign's endorsed a whole series of candidates who are standing against the labour party. i mean, in terms of, you know, no community in the country should be taken as a bloc vote that can be moved from party to party. votes are about individuals who come from different communities and have different communities and have different interests, but, you know, lots of organisations put out , you know, voter checklist. out, you know, voter checklist. i was just reading in the green room. here's one from friends of the earth about the environment. so that's that's reasonable . but so that's that's reasonable. but the idea that labour is giving is giving into. >> what about angela rayner sitting in, you know, that back room there surrounded by a load of muslim blokes making a load of muslim blokes making a load of promises about palestine? >> well, she did what she said when we heard her say there was that if she'd resign as an mp and it would bring about a

ceasefire, she would do it, but it won't. so she isn't in state as well? well, we all, the government believes in a palestinian state. everybody believes in a two state solution. we want there to be a viable palestinian state alongside a strong and secure israel. >> the conservatives are trying to sweep this under the carpet a little bit at the moment, i think aren't they christine, and not get involved and maybe leave labour to what could be perceived as its own mess? >> well, i mean, in terms of target voters for the conservatives at this election, i would suggest that muslim .co.uk is pretty, pretty low down on the list , along with, i down on the list, along with, i suppose, sort of communists. >> anybody under 65, maybe 65, but, you know, i think we can we can sort of sleep slightly easier because this doesn't look like it's going to be a marginal election. but what we did see in the rochdale by—election in and the rochdale by—election in and the problem going forward is usually these sort of these niche slightly extremist groups are very disparate. but in this country demographically vie, they're very concentrated pockets. so they're certainly an issue to deal with going forward. now, obviously there

shouldn't be dealt with by appeasing them, because if you look at what else they're calling for, you said prayers in schools. there's something about shana schools. there's something about sharia pensions. there's schools. there's something about sharia pensions . there's also, sharia pensions. there's also, from my perspective, something very concerning about wants to reform what the media can and can't say, especially in the newspapers and reform those laws. and i'd also be very interested to know there are issues on some social views because i imagine they're not especially liberal. so the way to deal with it is a more general thing, you know, because let's be honest, extremism is not confined to young muslims, even though that is a concern. you know, young men are becoming more more right wing and all sorts. so the way to deal with it is to, you know, reduce poverty , education, integration, poverty, education, integration, those sort of issues. >> i mean, the green party literally have thrown their arms round around them. and that was one of the more astonishing things . and there will be all things. and there will be all eyes on the greens. we're having a discussion about them later on. they launched their campaign today. bizarrely, they weren't that keen to talk about the environment, but there will be a lot of scrutiny over who some of

the green candidates may or may not be in light of the local elections. nigel farage has decided to try to tackle this head on. suzanne. he's copped it a bit for it, but is he right? >> yeah, i think you have to tackle this head on. really, and i think it's something that's got to be brought into the pubuc got to be brought into the public consciousness. i remember being told years ago that religion was irrelevant in our society. you know, there was this great secular movement in the kind of 80s and 90s and thought people who were religious were nuts and had nobody thought took them seriously. and i said, no, you're wrong. religion is still a very, very powerful force in this country. and here we are now seeing it front and centre stage and integrated with our politics. and it's very worrying. and not just muslims, but any kind of fundamentalist religion because, you know, as as nigel farage hinted at, their most fundamentalist religions exclude gay people, exclude women , they exclude a lot of women, they exclude a lot of people who would find themselves in a very difficult position in society. i just don't think you can support that. >> the concern would be under a labour government. matthew, i suppose by many people that there would be an appeasement of these people and that might have

a massive , drastic influence on a massive, drastic influence on british politics going forward. some people would look at certain fringe elements of the muslim .co.uk or certain things like we saw with some of those green candidates, for example, and think, i actually really wouldn't want those people anywhere near the party. whereas the labour party, i think has decided to try to win those people back. and i think many people back. and i think many people find that a bit odd. i think what labour hasn't doing is having a conversation with, fundamentalists. >> i mean, you've seen a lot of people standing across the country against the labour party. it almost the independent sort of pro gaza candidate almost cost labour the crucial west midlands morality, so a lot of these, a lot of people are outside the labour party. but should labour be talking to muslim voters? absolutely millions of muslim voters across the country have legitimate concerns about a whole range of issues, of which gaza is one. so conversations with the muslim community making our position on gaza clear, which is perfectly sensible to call for an immediate ceasefire in light of what's happened over the last week. but no giving in to kind of block vote mentalities. let's have individual dialogue with muslim voters.

>> yeah, and i think a lot of people will understand that. i suppose the downside to it is there is currently a group called the muslim vote .co.uk, and they are choosing to treat the muslim vote as a bloc vote and wanting to mobilise it en masse against labour and the tories and lib dem. yeah, but i do worry christian about where this ends. are we witnessing the start of something irreversible in british politics here? >> i don't think it's irreversible. and i think that, you know, inevitably the war in gaza will end and tensions will reduce. but we i was just going to point to touch on a very important point here. and it's a really good example of why i'm so opposed to keir starmer's strategy of refusing to nail down his views on any topic, because he's saying one thing to jewish groups , one thing to jewish groups, one thing to muslim groups. i don't know which side of the fence he'll come down on if and when he wins the election. and that is so concerning to me. in democracies, we should know what he's he's even distancing himself from the diane abbott thing. >> i mean, jeremy hunt made a comment, you know, this was relatively rare that i take

anything jeremy hunt says seriously, but he did make a comment, which i thought was was quite pithy, which was if he can't deal with diane abbott, how is he going to deal with putin? yeah. and there is there is some there is some sense that you were furiously shaking your head , matthew, as christian was head, matthew, as christian was saying. yeah. >> because because it's absolutely not true to say that she is saying one thing to one group. he's not the lib dems and he's not the greens who literally say one thing to one group of voters and another thing to another group of voters. he's been nothing to anyone. that's not true at all. i mean, he's been attacked for, oh, that's a big that's a big. that's right. he doesn't. so what he's what he's been very clear on is the stance on gaza has been very clear. it has obviously evolved as the situation has evolved. it hasn't evolved to placate any voting group. it's evolved because of what he's thinking, what he's doneis what he's thinking, what he's done is right. and of course it cost labour the rochdale by—election. hang on a minute. and he's prepared to lose a by—election to do what's right. >> i do, i do wonder, suzanne, if there's something to be said for the idea that the labour party actually took the quotes and quotes muslim vote for granted if anything encouraged it for decades, and now it's turned against them. they're in a squishy position. >> yeah, i think i think there's a lot in that. i think that's

very true. and also we had scenes in parliament just a couple of months ago over the gaza ceasefire about the motion that the snp put forward, that labour was kind of forced into a corner over that, really. so i don't think it's true to say they're not trying to appease them, but i personally think they still are. >> okay. and christine, you were alluding to this a little bit earlier on. so let's just say that the tories have written this off. okay, fine. it could be argued they've also decided to write off quite a few of the young people who will also be argued if the latest polls are anything to go by, they've actually managed to write off everybody under the age of 50. and then they also seem to be going after keir starmer for his age. he's 61, by the way, which is an odd tactic if you're only demographic left. is older people. >> we can't have a pensioner as prime minister. but pensioners are the only people who vote for us. >> us. >> who have the tories got left then? >> who, well, they've got the presumably the great reads of the daily express and some of the daily express and some of the other reputable papers, and, you know, i think so much of the tory vote this year is going to be an anti starmer anti—labour vote, as so much of this labour vote, as so much of this labour

vote is not an enthusiastic endorsement of keir starmer. it's a rejection of the conservatives which i think makes this election particularly depressing. >> i actually think as this election goes on, and particularly like we're seeing labour starting to sort of implode now, i think a lot of disaffected voters might think, look, i'm really , really angry look, i'm really, really angry with the tories. i don't want to vote for them, but i can't for vote for them, but i can't for vote that. i think it might be closer than we all think. >> you think you might be closer than we all think? i think there is a serious concern going into this election with that backdrop of gaza, with the issue that's going on over there and with the increase least, well, hopefully, as far as they're concerned, anyway, the more united, aspects of certain cultural elements in this country focusing here on, on the muslim vote .co.uk, that thatis on the muslim vote .co.uk, that that is actually going to have a big impact because they're very difficult to poll . matthew, you difficult to poll. matthew, you can't really poll. >> it's hard to poll. >> it's hard to poll. >> it's hard to poll whether they are going to actually land. >> i think we should put this in context. let's remember, it wasn't that long ago that, the catholic priest used to tell used to tell their congregations how to vote after mass on a

sunday very recently. that was a massive thing in irish politics for a long time. massive thing in irish politics for a long time . lots of for a long time. lots of campaign groups do that. we need to listen to individual voters and never be led by groups self—appointed, who say they speak for any particular part. >> okay, it remains to be seen whether or not particular party decides to cave on that. still to come, the conservatives have orchestrated the highest tax burden for 70 years, but jeremy hunt says he's the best person to look after your paycheque. really there are questions to answer when tory candidate marco longhi joins me live. plus, the labour party couldn't implode again , could it? again, could it? >> i don't think there's any reason why diane couldn't stand as a labour mp. >> a full report on starmer's supposed cull of the left wing candidate is coming up very soon. but next, a nine year old girl has been left fighting for her life after a shooting in hackney, which also injured three adults. well, today labour came out and re—emphasised the promise of 13,000 more police officers. will they bring back law and order to our streets? former tory minister lord

robathan goes head to head with labour councillor brendan chilton and it's

next. welcome back to patrick christys tonight. look. coming up. do the tories really have a leg to stand on when it comes to warnings about tax hikes? i'm going to be to talking a tory candidate about that. but first, will labour bring back law and

order to our streets? it's time to have that chat . well, a nine to have that chat. well, a nine year old girl is tonight fighting for her life in hospital after being shot by an attacker while having dinner with her family in east london last night. it comes just days after three police officers were injured, with one suffering a serious facial injury and 40 people were arrested during a pro—palestine protest in westminster. and on sunday evening , oliver whyte sadly took evening, oliver whyte sadly took his own life. a day after he was placed in a choke hold during a violent robbery at a watch dealership in south—west london. these three crimes are part of a wider trend of lawlessness sweeping across britain, with labour today claiming that street crime has risen dramatically since rishi sunak became prime minister. but labour's shadow home secretary, yvette cooper, today outlined her party's plan to reverse that trend and crack down on crime . trend and crack down on crime. >> there's a new street crime wave happening. big increase in

mobile phone thefts, but also real growing problems on anti—social behaviour. and the conservatives are just ignoring it and they've cut the neighbourhood police we need so labour will set out 13,000 more neighbourhood police and pcsos in communities across the country, with stronger powers on anti—social behaviour and also work with the mobile phone companies to tackle the these thefts that are causing real problems to keep our streets safe . safe. >> okay, so we've heard from the labour party there. i am asking will labour bring back law and order to our streets? do you trust them to do so? let me know your thoughts. go to gbnews.com/yoursay tweet me @gbnews. while you're there, go and vote in our poll. i am joined again by my wonderful panel this evening. and matthew, i'll start with you. the numbers don't add up. only 3000 of their proposed new officers will be full time officers with the power of arrest, 3000 of them are officers. this government has already recruited . and has already recruited. and apparently you can contrast that

with the tories who have recruited a record 20,000 since 2019. so labour are fudging the numbers, are they? >> no, because it's labour's absolutely clear. this is 7000 new police officers and police community support officers . the community support officers. the rest are already being hired. let's be absolutely clear there are fewer police officers per head of population now than there were when the labour was in power, because theresa may and the tories david cameron as prime minister and mbappe sat there in the cabinet, slashed police numbers in the austerity age. and yes, they have started to recruit more in the last couple of years. >> but labour are saying 13,000 andifs >> but labour are saying 13,000 and it's not, is it? >> it's 7000 new ones and 6000 ones who were in training at the moment. so it's 13,000 new people will go onto, will go onto the streets and it's funded by by cutting police waste. there isn't a national agency to buy equipment for the police. so you've got all these different forces around the country all tendering for different things. let's actually have some common sense and spend taxpayers money better. >> all right. i mean, suzanne, this is the same labour party who some members of it decided that they wanted to keep violent murderers and sexual offenders in britain by stopping

deportation flights. yeah absolutely. >> and the same labour party that's quite happy to see 2 million people come to our shores every year and to immigrate to britain, so that's two more million people that need policing. so sooner or later the 13,000 isn't going to be anywhere near enough. and also it's i hate this, it's political bingo. every general election, it's tick the card that says law and order. tick the card that says police tick the card that says police tick the card that says police tick the card that says nhs tick the box that says more nurses. you know it's meaningless. these are sound bites that are never put into practice and they drive me to dispatch. >> that's not true. there were more police officers under laboun more police officers under labour. people see the police officers. this is costed. >> nobody cares how long it's going to take to train up these officers. probably the. >> that's why some of the community support officers, you can train quicker, and it's just who won't have power of arrest and you only will have the same powers they've always had, which is the same powers as you and me. >> this is it, this citizen's arrest, isn't it? i like the way. look, he is quick, though. but you're standing. yeah right. >> who knows? by the end of the show, with the current selection issue, can i just say this is it, right? >> 13,000. well, it's not quite 13,000 powers of arrest. the

same powers as you and me. right christine, from from a general straightforward point of view , straightforward point of view, politically, right now, there is a very good coming. there is the case that all of the issues that we've got with law and order right now have happened under a conservative government. how much worse could labour really be? who do the public trust with law and order? >> well, my great concern here is i don't really think the main problem with law and order is, is, police numbers anymore. you know, the tories have recruited 20,000. they're now at parity, i think, with basically what they inherited in 2010, the main problem is prison spaces. that is why we can arrest people and the police arrest people all the time, whether they're at protests , you know, whether protests, you know, whether they're just stop oil people, whether they've stolen a watch . whether they've stolen a watch. the problem is there are no prison spaces. we're having to let people out early. we can't put people in. there was meant to be in this country a law which says, if you're arrested two times and you're carrying a knife that second time, you're straight in jail. it doesn't happen because the prisons are 99% full. and my concern is

neither of the parties are promising to build new prisons. and that is the only way we can tackle this. >> i wonder if someone asked yvette cooper about stop and search what her view on that would be. matthew, any ideas? >> so i mean, i think labour is in favour of using stop and search selectively where necessary, but i mean , what necessary, but i mean, what i think is great is that this is a real focus on the anti—social behaviour agenda, which is what will happen under the last labour government, and we've seen an absolute neglect of the basic, fundamental, fundamental issue of community policing, of seeing a police officer or a pcso on your street and they might not have the power of arrest, but they do. they they do make a difference in communities up and down the country. and who says that? the communities who got really angry when the tories have cut thousands of them across britain, i wonder i wonder if that cuts through. >> i mean, we do have, i think now, an epidemic of people who quite clearly don't don't fear getting caught or don't feel the consequences of it. would a pcso cut it ? i get that it's better cut it? i get that it's better than nothing. and i can remember

a few years ago and this is no joke now. seriously, people putting cardboard cut outs of police officers in shops . police officers in shops. >> i know they do it. >> i know they do it. >> they do it. yeah bargains i do. >> i do wonder though, suzanne, you know, when it comes to stop and search the link allegedly between that and racism. when you look at a labour party, the leader and deputy leader of which were very quick to take the knee over blm, are they going to be out strong on stop and search? >> no, i don't think they're going to be strong at all. and you look you have to look at labour mayor in london sadiq khan who's been very anti stop and search and has refused to kind of roll it out to make sure that we to can try and do anything about this horrific epidemic of knife crime in london. they're too liberal. they don't take a strong stance on law and order. they people like people to make excuses, you know, early release from prisons again as you as you said, christine, because there aren't the prison places there. and we do need to build more prisons. i'm afraid. and, you know, maybe as well as having ships to house asylum seekers, maybe we should have prison ships as well. floating. >> yeah. look, it is it is interesting because this is

something. this is, this is such a, you know, a fantastic period to be in the game that we're in. because right now we start to get policies, we start to get things said. and you start to realise exactly at this moment why people did not want to put policies forward before, because there are issues with it. yes. okay. there will be an increase in police officers under labour, but when you scratch the surface on the numbers, is it exactly the amount that they said they're going to be? some of them are pcsos. you get where i'm coming from with all of this. but look who do you agree with. do you think that labour will bring back law and order to our streets? collette on x says absolutely not. yvette cooper will be up there with theresa may as the worst kind of home secretary. stevie, on access whatsoever. labour does it will be an improvement on the tories. and i think, to be honest with you, that is exactly what labour are hoping for. your verdict is now in 7% of you think that labour will bring back law and order, 93% of you say they will not. but there we are, coming up rich, reforms richard tice slaps down nigel farage over talk of a pact with the tories reforming. but do you back their plan to

tax companies that fail to recruit british workers? and widdecombe defends that flagship immigration policy shortly. but next, jeremy hunt delivered this message to the british people if you think labour will win the election , then start saving. but election, then start saving. but what about the tories own sky rocketing spending plans? conservative candidate marco longhi is here in a few short moments. don't

welcome back to patrick christys tonight. still to come . reform tonight. still to come. reform uk announced tough new immigration measures. is it madness or is it absolute genius? and widdecombe will react to that. but first i welcome the conservative candidate marco longhi. now jeremy hunt has a stark warning for brits today, saying if you think labour will win the election, start saving . the election, start saving. the chancellor claimed that labour could be plotting a vat raid , could be plotting a vat raid, which he says would raise taxes for working families by over £2,000 a year. and the party are hammering home their point with this campaign poster. it was a mobile billboard that was doing the rounds, so if you think labour will win, then start saving marco now, joins me now. thank you very, very much. okay then. so, i mean, do you think that labour really are going to slap us all with vat and extra taxes ? taxes? >> yes, i do, because the treasury itself has come forward

with an analysis that shows that they have a gaping hole of about £38 billion for all of the programmes that they have announced, they will say that it's fully costed by windfall taxes and other, events, fiscal events of some sort or another, but they cannot possibly bridge that sort of gap. so everybody is thinking there is only one way they can possibly do that, and that is by raising, something like vat, given the fact that they've said that they won't be, increasing people's income tax or national insurance, it's got to come from somewhere. >> it has . well, some would >> it has. well, some would argue, yes, it does have to come from somewhere, but i am just going to play you this little clip from the labour party earlier today. >> the conservative party are desperate to try to say that they, you know, scored a point in this election campaign . they, you know, scored a point in this election campaign. but rachel reeves has been consistently clear that we have no plans to raise taxes on working people. we've said it a million times. i said it yesterday in my press conference. rachel said it the day before in her speech. i'm

not sure what the conservatives are trying to get at here. we have no plans to raise taxes on working people. do you know why? because the burden of tax on working people is the highest it has been in the last 70 years because of the conservative party >> well, i mean, there he is. asked darren jones there, who's shadow treasury and he's saying that there's no vat rise. i mean, is the tory party just fear mongering a bit here, do you think? no. >> you should be listening a little bit more carefully there, patrick, he says he has no plans. he's not saying that he is ruling it out now. they have ruled out income tax and national insurance increases . national insurance increases. they haven't said we are ruling out vat increases. those are two very different things. saying you don't have a plan to raise something is not the same as saying we will not. >> okay, look, the labour party sent me a press release last night which had £71 billion worth of uncosted spending by jeremy hunt pledged so far at

this general election campaign. so does the tories really have a leg to stand on? do you think ? leg to stand on? do you think? >> well, you need to decide whether he is credible in anything he says at all, because yes . okay, so we came through an yes. okay, so we came through an event, a global event , covid, in event, a global event, covid, in which we had to pay people , which we had to pay people, whether they be employed or self—employed, to stay at home. we then had business grants to keep businesses afloat, which otherwise would have gone into, either liquidation or bankruptcy , we then also put energy caps on, on, on the fees that were necessary by companies to charge people for their fuel and for their general energy. so all of these things cost an enormous amount of money. and yes, taxes did go up afterwards. so it was a case of spend it to save people and to save just on that, just on that and recover it in a

sensible , pragmatic way. sensible, pragmatic way. >> yeah, i did see with some interest that mobile billboards, if you think labour get in then start saving . i wondered if that start saving. i wondered if that was a bit tone deaf, given that the tories have crippled us with the tories have crippled us with the highest tax burden we've had since the war. well, we say most people got anything to say. i mean, jeremy, jeremy hunt is a millionaire. >> i am incredibly unhappy at the level of taxes as they are right now. i would have personally preferred a programme for growth and to grow the economy much quicker. but you can't pretend to spend £425 billion and just assume that that's not going to have an effect. you need to start recovering that , and that would recovering that, and that would that was through taxes. so the conservative government had no choice. well, no , it could have choice. well, no, it could have let people actually just suffer the consequences of having absolutely no money to pay for their bills. it could have chosen not to have invested heavily in the health programs , heavily in the health programs, you know, and in the vaccine. >> i think we do get the points

that you're trying to make there. i just want to whiz it on to a chap called mark logan mp, who many people might have had to google until about 2.5 hours ago. he is or was a conservative mp and candidate who has defected to labour. i'm going to read you out a bit of his personal statement here. things can only get better by a northern irish band representing the optimism of the incoming labour government of 1997, labour government of 1997, labouris labour government of 1997, labour is back and given how things have been, i believe things have been, i believe things can only get better. that guy was a conservative mp until a few days ago. he's shifting to laboun a few days ago. he's shifting to labour, i mean, i also look at, you know, quite a few other tory mps who are not standing, and one tory source reportedly told the spectator today that if you really want to punish rishi sunak, you should give him five more years. are you a lot really up for this fight ? up for this fight? >> oh well, i can't speak for anybody else and the choices that they make, i mean, it does say something about a personal, you know, a person's individual set of principles and values,

it's clear to me that, you know, when you look at other colleagues that have jumped ship and gone and crossed over to labouris and gone and crossed over to labour is because they just simply want to stay on as mps rather than actually stay on and fight. that is what i am doing . fight. that is what i am doing. i am not moving to any other party. a number of people have said that i would be joining reform. that is absolutely not the case. i am going to stay on and fight, for stand up my principles, put my constituents first, not others. and if in doing so i lose, then i will wake up the next morning thinking no regrets. i've tried my best. i remain a conservative and as with all parties , i have and as with all parties, i have to say to you, patrick, all parties go through peaks and troughs. labour went through the same . we are going through same. we are going through a tough period now, but i can see light. absolutely at the end of the tunnel, and i'm hoping to be there when things get better . there when things get better. >> yeah, and i mean jeremy hunt, just to whizz it back over to jeremy hunt. he did make a bold

election prediction earlier today. >> i can tell you, i believe this election will be a lot closer than many people think. and when rishi sunak wins, i think he will have extraordinary authority . authority. >> so i think he's going to be a lot closer. and he also said when rishi sunak wins. but with the latest poll showing labour could well win a landslide, apparently it's the most likely outcome. i am unsure what the chancellor is basing his predictions on. what do you think marco ? think marco? >> well, these are some these are questions that you would have to pose to him. i know that since i was elected in 2019, i have always put my constituents first. i have been a very local member of parliament, quite often at the expense of perhaps, perhaps making some progress in parliament and even elevating myself. i've always been very clear and very loud in the chamber. what i stand for, and i know that sometimes that's ruffled a few feathers, but i believe that that's what my constituents want. straight talking. no messing around and very strong representation .

very strong representation. >> okay, just one last one with you, there was a memo that was sent out or leaked out. really? which was about some of the tory tactics at this election. they're trying to make sleepy starmer a thing, apparently saying he's lethargic . starmer a thing, apparently saying he's lethargic. he is 61. okay, i believe i don't want to do you a disservice here. i believe that makes him just a few years older than you, i think. my good man, if you want to win the pensioner vote, which clearly you do , you'd been a bit clearly you do, you'd been a bit ageist there from cchq. do you think ? think? >> oh, i haven't even seen this memo. and as you're talking about pensioners, all of the pensioners in my constituency absolutely know that i led on a campaign to make sure that we did not touch the triple lock guarantee that was set by this government, by a conservative government back in 2012, i believe. and this was actually something that was being considered in the aftermath of covid, when, again, i come back to that point, we need to start to that point, we need to start to pull a bit of that money back that was spent. so, you know,

the government has kept the triple lock. it has now boosted it even further , meaning that it even further, meaning that pensioners that were starting to pay pensioners that were starting to pay tax because they fell into that, lower tax band, and we're starting to pay because they were earning a lot more and now actually going to be exempt from that as well . and the other that as well. and the other thing to talk about as well is waspi women. i've been very clear where i stand about those pensioners who came to harm when they were born in the 1950s, when, when actually the government of the day, which i believe was a labour government actually made a very big mistake in not communicating appropriately to them, i do, i do, i do get that look with, yes i >> -- >> with respect to these opposes that we've had 14 years of tory government and has much been done about the waspi women, but we will have to leave it there. >> it hasn't been 14 years, patrick, has it. all right, all right. first five were in cahoots with the lib dems. >> all right, all right. fair enough. we're going to have to leave it there. marco. thank you very much. that's marco longhi there. conservative candidate. right. let's rattle through this now is the jeremy corbyn wing of the labour party trying to bring

down sir keir starmer. >> i honestly, i'm just so shocked right now to be treated this badly after being such an active member of the party. >> yeah, it's labour civil war. but up next nigel farage says one thing, then richard tice appears to say the other. >> absolutely not. look, we trusted them in 19. we gave them a massive majority. we're not going to trust them again. >> they've also announced a big new immigration and tax policy and widdecombe is to talk about that

next. welcome back to patrick christys tonight. still to come. could the labour party implode all over again? i'll give you the latest at 10:00. but first, we welcome former tory minister and now reform uk member ann widdecombe. and in a bold immigration policy from reform, they've announced plans to tax british businesses who employ non—british passport holders.

>> the british economy are great economy. it has a deadly , deadly economy. it has a deadly, deadly addiction that's the harsh truth. it's the drug of cheap overseas labour. and the cure is an employer immigration tax. so what we need to do is we need to incentivise business to say , incentivise business to say, actually, if you want to employ people from overseas, that's fine , but you've got to pay fine, but you've got to pay a price for it . price for it. >> well, they obviously want to try to draw a line don't they. between them and the tory party, who watered down their plans to crack down on graduate visas just weeks ago and joins me now this is a tough policy. some people might be worried that it would tank the economy and put people out of business. >> no, not at all. first of all, let me say, because it wasn't clear from those excerpts that you showed, that this does not apply you showed, that this does not apply to the national health service, where we do have

massive shortages of skills and we do use a lot of foreign laboun we do use a lot of foreign labour, and we are not applying this to the health service, nor will it be applied to very tiny businesses that have fewer than five employees. won't be applied to them either. but what we're trying to counter is the tendency to ignore britain's and to buy in cheap foreign labour. now by putting up the national insurance, which is what we will do for companies who employ foreign labour. what we're saying is you won't be able to get it on the cheap. you know, there are 9.2 million brits. hang on, patrick, there's this bit's important 9.2 million brits economically inactive at the moment. now, sure, some of them cannot work , but an awful them cannot work, but an awful lot can. and we've got to put employing brits first. that's what this is about i think many people will agree that we have got an addiction to cheap foreign labour and that, yes, something needs to be done about that. >> we need to get more brits

into work. but i just wonder if this has been well thought through. i mean, for example, companies like gb news employ more than five foreign workers. all right. i don't think we're getting them on the cheap. i mean, they might they might disagree with that, but i don't think we're getting them on the cheap, you know? so all of a sudden companies like gb news will be paying through the nose under a reform policy. have you thought it through? >> yeah. well, quite right too. if you won't employ brits, go and employ brits. >> so what we should. so every single company that has more than five staff should employ what just brits should give the preference should give the priority to employing british laboun priority to employing british labour, as i say, 9.2 million economically inactive. >> we've got to get on top of this and that is the way we're going to do it. so you either pay going to do it. so you either pay the sorts of wages that britons would demand or you pay the additional insured. >> with respect, though, it's not all about the wage. and this is the point that i'm getting at. it's not all about the wages. it is possible that somebody from spain applies for a job here, or at a construction site or in any business, and

they are better than the british candidate for it. and yet still companies will be taxed. >> now, i need a lot of convincing that with 9.2 million, 9.2 million britons economically inactive, that you cannot find the skills that you require there. and if you can't, then that is the clearest. demonstrate of what we have been saying for some time, which is that reform will give priority to upskilling brits . the money to upskilling brits. the money that we might make from this, we will use to fund apprenticeships. we're going to give priority to making sure that britons have the skills. we should be self—sufficient in skills. >> okay, i suppose the other aspect of this is that it would put a hard stop on certain immigration. you would be you would be hitting an immigration policy as well as a tax policy. i do wonder whether or not the full scope of it, for the reasons i've outlined, have actually been particularly well thought through. but but yesterday, nigel farage raised the possibility that reform might do a deal with the tories.

but at today's press conference, i know you're shaking your head. richard tice set the record straight. >> absolutely not. look, we trusted them in 19. we gave them a massive majority. we're not going to trust them again. >> but it might be your only way. really to secure a candidate. >> no. absolute nonsense. we're going to win . going to win. >> well, and just last night, isabel oakeshott came to her partner's defence. we sing. richard tice is the leader of reform party and there won't be any deals with the tory party. end of . but, alex. nigel any deals with the tory party. end of. but, alex. nigel is everywhere, isn't it? i mean, he's on question time tonight. i mean, is he really leading the party? >> nigel is the honorary president and he is playing a massive part in this campaign. now, look , you know nigel, nigel now, look, you know nigel, nigel banters , nigel is sarcastic, and banters, nigel is sarcastic, and you shouldn't take every word literally now. i think he's also got to learn from that, because in the course of an election campaign, people will take everything you say totally, literally . but he did not mean literally. but he did not mean that, because i know because i've had the conversation. i

know he is fully behind no deals with the tories. i cannot say that strongly enough . the policy that strongly enough. the policy is and nigel signed up to it. no deals with the tories. >> well, you've heard it there again and thank you very much. great to have you on the show as always, our sam widdicombe there .look always, our sam widdicombe there . look coming up, what do the green party candidates really stand for? surely they're not all like this guy in palestine. i mean . well, they had their i mean. well, they had their campaign launched today and we are going to do a little bit of are going to do a little bit of a deep dive into it. but next, labour deputy angela rayner goes rogue and backs diane abbott. could the labour party actually be about to implode ? and there's be about to implode? and there's more to it than meets the eye. jeremy corbyn's piped up. but some other left wingers who used to be, at least in that party, are we seriously witnessing a labour party that could be right on the cusp of some implosion?

surely they can't blow it from here, can they? the polls, some of them anyway, have them as high as 27 points ahead. is this a masterstroke from rishi sunak having a slightly longer election campaign, hoping that his opposition might eat themselves alive? stay tuned . themselves alive? stay tuned. >> for that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello, mixed fortunes in our weather as we head through friday. best of the dry fine weather towards the north and the west, but more cloud across eastern england with some showers and still feeling warm though in that sunshine we look at the pressure pattern. then you can see this area of high pressure it's trying to build in across the uk, so settling things down towards the north and the west, but further east, close to that area of low pressure, more cloud and some rain here. so through thursday and evening and overnight we do hang on to more cloud down the eastern parts of england. like i said, with some further showers, outbreaks of rain spreading their way southwards and some quite brisk winds here once

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gb news. >> it's 10 pm. i'm patrick christys and some breaking news is incoming. you're going to be heanng is incoming. you're going to be hearing more about it in the bulletins, and we will take this live. but it is understood that the jury has reached a verdict in the donald trump trial. this

is going to be seismic either way. so we will bring that to you live. so stay tuned. but elsewhere tonight , i'm not going elsewhere tonight, i'm not going to allow myself to be intimidated. >> all right. now is labour imploding ? imploding? >> i've said repeatedly over the last two years as we've selected our candidates, because i want the highest quality candidates. >> that's the left are nearly in tears. >> i honestly, i'm just so shocked right now to be treated this badly after being such an active member of the party. >> it's all kicking off now. the greens have piped up, green party is ready. >> we've been ready for this general election for a long time, but how many candidates like this have they got? >> the voice of palestine. hello. >> hello . >> hello. >> hello. >> a tory mp has defected to labour but have you got any idea

who he is? no, nobody does, nobody does. and his reforms? latest policy madness or genius. >> and the cure is an employer immigration tax . immigration tax. >> and does anyone check to make sure that ed davey is actually okay? on my panel tonight? it is the political hack at the express christian county. political commentator suzanne evans and ex—labour party adviser matthew laza and can you guess why this guy was banned to write? >> thank you . >> thank you. >> thank you. >> get ready britain. here we go our labour are about to implode. next .

next. >> time just after 10:00. and from the gb newsroom tonight, we start with some breaking news coming to us from the courtroom in manhattan, in new york, in the united states , as patrick the united states, as patrick mentioned, the jury that will decide former us president donald trump's fate in his criminal hush money trial. this a trial that has been worked on by lawyers and particularly the manhattan district attorney, alvin bragg. over years , has now alvin bragg. over years, has now reached a verdict. the jury has reached a verdict. the jury has reached a verdict. we don't know what that verdict is. you can imagine, as we show you, these scenes live from outside, in the new york city area, outside the courthouse, you can see the press gathering, you can see police, and attendants there, bracing themselves for the world's attention on this, years long case that's been brewing for about the hush money that trump is alleged to have

accepted. we're expecting that announcement on those allegations he faced in court of falsifying his business documents to cover up a hush money payment . and that really money payment. and that really is the strand of this case that has become front and centre in this trial to adult film star stormy daniels. you may have heard her name mentioned several times. mr trump pleading not guilty, denying all 34 counts held against him, including having an alleged affair with stormy daniels in 2006. 12 jurors deliberating for two days to decide whether or not he is guilty of falsifying those business records. and we understand from reports coming to us live from inside the courthouse that the atmosphere is tense, the laughter has died down and everybody who needs to know what this verdict is, is in position . so this is imminent. position. so this is imminent. we'll bring it to you. of course, as we get it. but it could be another ten minutes. we're not sure. let's bring you the other news in the meanwhile. well, sir keir starmer has

welcomed former tory mp mark logan's decision to back labour in the next general election . in the next general election. sir keir said voters across the country are looking to labour for change. mark logan, who represented bolton north east for the tories , said the for the tories, said the conservatives are now unrecognisable from the party he first joined and he's urging people to support labour instead. it's the third defection by a tory to labour in just over a month . the prime just over a month. the prime minister is warning that labour's net zero policies will hurt britain's economy. touring a factory in buckinghamshire, rishi sunak said today that recent years had been tough. but he said labour's plan to achieve net zero is much too costly. >> i've been very clear that we need to get there in a different way to what had been proposed previously, and that means we need to be more serious, hard headed and pragmatic about it because there are a couple of things that i want to prioritise. i want to prioritise our country's energy security that we've seen in the last couple of years. what's happened

right when we're held hostage by dictators like putin, we can't have that happen. so that's why i'm supportive of energy coming out of the north sea. we're going to need it for decades to come. we better off getting it here at home. it's good for our economy, good for our jobs, good for our energy security. that's something that the labour party opposes. >> let me just bring you up to date with what's happening in the united states, in new york, in the trial that we were talking about a short time ago, we now know events are moving fast. the jury has been brought back into the courtroom room, and justice merchant is sitting presiding over that court space, and he's reading the jury's notes, there have been letters going backwards and forwards. forward. they do have a verdict . forward. they do have a verdict. and he's been asked, are you ready to bring out the jury? yes. they say, and we understand those , members of the jury, 12 those, members of the jury, 12 of them have been brought back in, as i said before, deliberating for two days to decide whether the former president of the united states , president of the united states, donald trump, is guilty of falsifying his business records,

the former president denying all 34 counts against him. we'll keep you up to date with what's happening in the donald trump trial right here. gb news. >> yep. thank you very much, polly. look, just to emphasise we will be going to that verdict as it comes in. so make sure that you stay tuned right here on gb news before that something a bit closer to home. the labour party is at serious risk of ripping itself apart. there is a big mess over diane abbott. she was in, then she was out, then she was in again, then out again. and now nobody knows. >> i'm not going to allow myself to be intimidated right now by the bully boy . the bully boy. >> brighton by forces beyond all of our control .

of our control. >> she then accused keir starmer of engaging in a left wing cul. starmer is trying to distance himself from all of this. here he is after being asked whether he's blocking left wing candidates . candidates. >> no, i've said repeatedly over the last two years as we've selected our candidates , that selected our candidates, that i want the highest quality candidates. that's been the position for a very long time. the situation in relation to diane abbott is that no decision has been taken to bar her. >> and, you know , we have to >> and, you know, we have to remember that she was a trailblazer as an mp. she overcame incredible challenges to achieve what she's achieved in her political career. she literally carved out the okay, look, we are interrupting that particular topic. >> there to bring you the very latest breaking , former latest breaking, former president donald trump has been found guilty of falsifying

business records. the jury has found former us president donald trump guilty of falsifying business records to conceal a hush money payment made to former porn star stormy daniels. he does now become the first former president to be convicted of a crime. now, this is for the first count of the 34 charges in total. there are more verdicts total. there are more verdicts to come. i will just reiterate what we are seeing now. it is historic. this breaking news. donald trump has been found guilty in his hush money trial. the former president faced 34 felony counts of falsifying business records to cover up a hush money payment to adult film star stormy daniels. mr trump pleaded not guilty. he denied all 34 counts against him, including having had an alleged 2006 sexual encounter with miss daniels, a jury of 12 people

living in manhattan, seven men and five women have completed deliberations and reached their verdict in what was the first criminal case against a former us president. i just want to reiterate that donald trump has been found guilty of all 34 counts. and again , i'm just counts. and again, i'm just bringing this to you now. there are more guilty verdicts . the are more guilty verdicts. the juror is continuing to read each charge counts two and three. former president trump has been found guilty as well. so what we are seeing here is history in the making. actually, former president trump being found guilty of the first three charges against him. i am joined by my panel here is political reporter at the express christian county political commentator suzanne evans, a former labour party adviser. matthew lazor i'll just reiterate some of the details as these are coming in thick and fast. the court heard from 22 witnesses over six weeks, including stormy daniels

herself, who's alleged sexual encounter with trump is at the centre of this case. and that is one of the charges that he has been found guilty of paying hush money to her and christine. i'll bnng money to her and christine. i'll bring you in on this. i mean, how's okay. wow, this is another big development. donald trump has been found guilty of all 34 counts. okay so that's the developing story here. right now. we continue to hear the jury now. we continue to hear the jury read the verdict for each charge . count four. count five charge. count four. count five were guilty, but it is now official . donald trump were guilty, but it is now official. donald trump has apparently been found guilty of all 34 counts. this is the first time in history that a us president, former or current, has faced a criminal trial . yes, has faced a criminal trial. yes, christie. and this is, i mean, incredibly significant, isn't it? >> it's just it's massive and it's the sort of thing that, will completely derail, any, anything that the politicians have planned, in terms of news coverage tomorrow, but yeah, i mean, it's enormous, i don't

think it's particularly helpful for american democracy. i'm afraid it obviously the law has done its job, and justice must be dealt, but i'm afraid that there will inevitably be many people that consider this to be something of a, of a of a stitch up.and something of a, of a of a stitch up. and also, i think i'm right in saying that this doesn't actually affect his ability to run for the presidency. so you know, we may end up with the sort of, you know, incarcerated president . yeah. president. yeah. >> and if you are watching us on television, you are looking at live pictures there, from that courthouse in new york where the jury courthouse in new york where the jury has just found former president donald trump guilty of all 34 charges. suzanne what do you think this makes him more or less likely to become the next president of the united states? >> i'm really quite concerned about this because there could be all kinds of fallout as a result of this. i just hope america tries to stay calm, but unfortunately, it might not, this is a potentially very serious division within american society. you've got a situation with a president who is both

deeply unpopular and hugely popular, a very marmite character, i think the fact is, as kristen said, so many people think this is a stitch up, his supporters won't have any other thing except that it's a stitch up and i'm going to now, i would like to apologise in advance. >> it is not the worst word in the world, but it is a swear word nonetheless. but i just. in fact, i can paraphrase . fact, i can paraphrase. actually, donald trump junior has just tweeted such bs. so this is, i mean , look, obviously this is, i mean, look, obviously we'd expect this wouldn't be very american phrase. this is the line from the trump camp, isn't it, that this is absolute bs ? matthew, do you think that bs? matthew, do you think that that will actually cut through with people ? with people? >> look, i mean, american politics is so divided at the moment that, you know, as christine and suzanne have said, you know, those who liked him are going to like him even more and think it's a conspiracy. those who think that he's a threat to the future of america will think that even more. i

think it will have an electoral impact. i think it will bring home to the small number of swing voters that still exist in the states, particularly women voters. i think it reminds them of some of the more unattractive aspects of his personality. so i think that will be the kind of electoral impact. but, you know, this is a country that's on the knife edge. >> just just reading some reports from people who are inside this manhattan courtroom, donald trump is pursing his lips as each one of the jurors confirms he's been found guilty. he turned his head, apparently to look at each one of them as they confirmed his lawyer appeared to be taking notes . so appeared to be taking notes. so that's where we are. if you are just joining us, donald trump has been found guilty of all charges in a hush money trial after five weeks of testimony , after five weeks of testimony, the trial has now concluded he's guilty of all counts. i suppose it is . well, trump has it is. well, trump has apparently said this is a sad day for america. a sad day for america. according to former president trump. you are looking at live shots out there. i mean, i'm not entirely sure whether we might see president trump march out of there if he's going to be

allowed to march out of it. i'm not entirely sure exactly what the consequences of this could be now, actually. yeah indeed. well, let's make sure you keep it gb news here as that is the outside of that courthouse, now, isuppose outside of that courthouse, now, i suppose another point on this is what does this mean for nigel farage if he's supposed to be going out and campaigning for trump? >> well, you know, i'm sure i'm sure he'll still be out there as long as as long as, the donald isn't, you know, in shackles in some in some prison, but it i'm just i'm almost speechless. i mean, it's such a ridiculous situation . i'm afraid it's a situation. i'm afraid it's a ridiculous choice for. for america , regardless of how you america, regardless of how you cut it to have two, you know, ageing geriatrics who are basically not capable of , you basically not capable of, you know, basic bodily functions, let alone mental, mental capacity these days. that's a bit harsh, i think. so, you know, so, you know, god bless the united states and i hope they get through it. >> yeah. well, look, apparently the jurors, just because of the layout of this courtroom, had to then file back past president, former president in the grottiest courtroom.

>> they could find it's, you know, apparently it's absolutely horrible inside because it's like it's a very basic i think they've deliberately put him in they've deliberately put him in the kind of he's certainly not got the executive suite of manhattan courtrooms. i mean, it's a horrible thing to say, but this will i mean, there'll be a sigh of relief in labour hq that, if it's in time for the front pages, but certainly the news bulletins will all be leading on, i wonder trump and not on diane abbott. i wonder what this means from a from a. >> so these these are some of the supporters of trump outside i think. yeah. never surrender. never surrender trump. it's almost like a religious icon isn't it. and that's my next point. does this actually move the dial? everyone who liked trump well, i don't want to say everyone. i would imagine most people had already made their minds up about whether or not they thought that trump was guilty or whether this was a stitch up and a witch hunt. suzanne. >> yeah, this is the way it works, isn't it? i mean, everybody said the same about bill clinton, the various allegations of sexual abuse that were levelled against him . you were levelled against him. you know, democrats didn't back down. his own wife leapt to his

defence. it's so polarised. and the same thing is going to happen here as well, you've got you can see you've got plenty of women there protesting. >> this is live, by the way, in new york. trump talk overseas. i just want to emphasise that for our, for our viewers, this is this is live footage of outside of that courtroom in new york where trump supporters wearing the maga hats can we and, apparently apparently we are obsessed with that man's teeth. but, you know, there we go. hey great. >> great paraphernalia. >> great paraphernalia. >> great paraphernalia. >> great great teeth. those trump supporters just, just emphasising there that that was very much live outside the courtroom for you. we'll bring you some other shots . but if you you some other shots. but if you are just joining us, that's the courtroom. trump may well be walking out of that at some point, but, christine , i mean, point, but, christine, i mean, look, what does this mean now for america? does it mean more years of joe biden? does it mean, you know, trump able to campaign? we have to wait and see, don't we? >> well, i think, you know, we all knew it was going to come down to a knife edge. and obviously lots of polls, marginal states seem to be

putting donald trump ahead at the moment. and i would imagine that most people who are saying they vote for donald trump had heard of the both the trial and the specifics. so i, i'm not sure it will move the dial massively. >> i think there's an issue about chaos electorate. it just what it does because it's very close to the moment trump's about one, one, one and a bit points ahead in the national polls. as you say ahead in some of the swing states. i think what comes down to it is voters don't like chaos, and it just sort of adds there's some movement at this door outside this courtroom here now. >> and it does look like there's going to be some activity. i wonder if any second now, president trump might walk out of there. we will bring this to you.so of there. we will bring this to you. so all eyes on that door right now and here comes some a very official looking security guard. so it does appear that there's some activity. i wonder if trump will make statements as well as he comes out and stands in front of the cameras. he's not one to back down, is he? so i would imagine that we might be heanng i would imagine that we might be hearing from former president donald trump potentially in the next couple of minutes, a flurry

of activity around that courtroom door. now, there's no doubt, you know, he will have prepared a statement whichever way it went. >> and i'm sure we'll we'll get to hear that. of course, what happens next depends very much on what sentence he gets. and i'm not quite sure when sentencing will take place. i understand that each of the counts he's been charged on has a penalty of up to four years in jail, but the judge might very well decide that that's not appropriate. >> yeah. no, indeed. what do you expect him to say, matthew? >> well, i expect him to be as defiant as possible and to rage against the system, because, of course, that's his. that's his big shtick, isn't he? you know, he's raging against what he called the swamp in washington. but i think he includes the whole of the kind of governmental apparatus in that. and i think he needs to be careful because as we saw, in the washington riots , you know, the washington riots, you know, what he says impacts on his supporters and there'll be some very angry trump supporters across the country tonight. >> i was going to wonder , you >> i was going to wonder, you know, are his supporters about to turn up en masse to outside the courtroom because it looked quite calm when the camera was zooming in on that, on that, on that fellow's teeth . but, you

that fellow's teeth. but, you know, obviously it takes a few minutes for this news to, to feed through, and i imagine there'll be a lot of furious people and not just in, i think, around the country where, you know, where i mean, obviously, although he is a new yorker by birth, it's not exactly trump central in downtown manhattan , central in downtown manhattan, but around the country. >> i think you might see some pretty unpleasant scenes. yeah >> okay, so in this hush money case, the 34 chart that is trump, trump has just left the courtroom there. i wonder if i can say, yeah, let's take let's take the audio . are you worried take the audio. are you worried about going to jail ? about going to jail? >> this was a disgrace . >> this was a disgrace. >> this was a disgrace. >> this was a disgrace. >> this was a rigged trial by a conflicted judge who was corrupt. there's a rigged trial at disgrace. they wouldn't give us a venue change. we were at 5% or 6% in this district. in this area . this was a rigged, area. this was a rigged, disgraceful trial . but the real

disgraceful trial. but the real verdict is going to be november 5th by the people. and they know what happened here. and everybody knows what happened here. you have a soros backed d.a. and a whole thing. we didn't do a thing wrong . i'm a didn't do a thing wrong. i'm a very innocent man and it's okay. i'm fighting for our country. i'm fighting for our country. i'm fighting for our constitution . in our whole constitution. in our whole country is being rigged right now. this was done by the biden administration in order to wound or hurt an opponent, a political opponent. and i think it's just a disgrace . and we'll keep a disgrace. and we'll keep fighting. we'll fight till the end and we'll win because our country has gone to hell. we don't have the same country anymore. we have a divided mess where a nation in decline, serious decline, millions and millions of people pouring into our country right now from prisons and from mental institutions , terrorists, and institutions, terrorists, and they're taking over our country .

they're taking over our country. we have a country that's in big trouble. but this was a rigged decision right from day one with a conflicted judge who should have never been allowed to try this case, never . have never been allowed to try this case, never. and we will fight for our constitution. this is long from over. thank you very much. why should voters vote for a kathy gyngell in? >> are you going to drop out ? >> are you going to drop out? you believe in the rule of law. you believe in the rule of law. you trust the jury . are you are you trust the jury. are you are you right? >> okay, so that was former president donald trump there just leaving that new york courthouse. i'll paraphrase what he said. he said it's a rigged trial . he he said. he said it's a rigged trial. he said it's a conflicted judge. he said it was a disgraceful trial . he said the disgraceful trial. he said the real verdict will be on november the 5th by the people. of course, he's alluding there to the election . he says he's the election. he says he's fighting for his country and the constitution . this has been done constitution. this has been done by the biden administration to weaken him. he re—emphasised several times that this is a figged several times that this is a rigged trial from a conflicted

judge. they didn't let him change course. we can see that. so these are live shots now outside , as can i hear what this outside, as can i hear what this guy is saying. let's take it. >> this is a tapestry of justice. it's an innocent man. he's never done any crimes. he's never lied. he's never done anything like, oh , he had he he anything like, oh, he had he he made love to somebody while his wife was , home with a newborn. wife was, home with a newborn. hey. hey, guys. i don't know if you know this, but when after a woman gives birth, they're fat and cranky and they don't want to have sex. he had to have an affair , right? affair, right? >> so was the guy, out there who it does appear is a trump supporter and, is, you know, fully of the view that this is a complete and utter mistrial and that, you know, this is trumped up charges, for want of a better phrase, we will go back to outside that courthouse , there outside that courthouse, there i'm joined now by former trump adviser rick gates. rick, was

this a rigged trial , thousand this a rigged trial, thousand percent? yes. >> it's, politicised. >> it's, politicised. >> it's, politicised. >> it's weaponized , and i think >> it's weaponized, and i think that you're going to see over time , the american people react time, the american people react in a very visceral ray way to how this was done, obviously, his team will will peel this. they will have multiple. >> can i rick , i'm really sorry >> can i rick, i'm really sorry about this. please stay where you are. i want to hearjust from just from some of these supporters outside the courtroom. rick, please stay where you are because you want to hear. >> that's the reason we have judges. >> because judge is supposed to hear both sides, not one side. >> when you when you think about emotions right now, you feel the emotions right now, you feel the emotions you feel right now about the verdict. >> what what are the emotions? could you name them and name as many as you can, which was being asked there how he feels about this, verdict? >> let's hear from him. >> let's hear from him. >> i don't want to . >> i don't want to. >> i don't want to. >> i don't want to. >> i want to see, you know, anyone bereft isn't he? >> he's bereft. all right, rick,

i'll bring i'll bring you back in. all right. so so, rick. yeah. sorry to interrupt you there, but, you know, it is quite interesting to get those live reaction from people outside the courtroom there. we'll keep dipping in and out of this. so you were saying 1,000% this. so you were saying 1,000% this is a rigged trial? >> yeah. look, it was rigged from day one, when they decided to hold this in new york. you've got a federal charge being tried by a state court, which is probably the highest degree that the appeal will likely be overturned on. so there's a lot more to work through here. obviously it's a dark day for our country, you saw an angry , our country, you saw an angry, exasperated and frustrated former president trump , but the former president trump, but the fact that he was, you know, found guilty on all 34 charges, is a pretty damning statement, by this jury , by this judge, and by this jury, by this judge, and i think as we move forward and we look , you know, back at how we look, you know, back at how this appeal is going to move forward , there's going to be forward, there's going to be a lot of grounds for the basis for the supreme court of new york, to, to look at whether they ultimately acquit president trump. i don't know, it's still

new york. >> look, what could happen, rick, what can happen here? that's the question on everybody's lips. is trump going down? >> no, i mean, look, our constitution allows, you know , constitution allows, you know, anybody a convicted felon to run for president. in theory, he could run from a from a jail cell. so he's not going to go down. and look, i've been tracking the polls over the last several days because this has been one of the prevailing questions. if he were found guilty, would this change the way that you vote in november and the majority of those polls, 68, 70% say no, it won't change the way i vote. that doesn't necessarily mean they're going to vote for or against him, but what it's saying is that most of the american people see this for what it is, a politicised trial . what it is, a politicised trial. and at the end of the day, those people that are going to vote for him are going to vote for him, and those that aren't won't. and so it's not going to change the dynamics, which i think is a good read into how the american people view this, which is exactly what you're doing outside. yeah, in the courtroom. right now, getting their opinions. >> yeah. no. exactly. and it's really important to get get

those opinions. absolutely. and i love hearing from ordinary people outside and getting those kind of really, you know, human responses to, to something. hopefully we can get back into that at some point. i'll just say that what we've got at the moment is live shots from. yeah, aerial shots from at the back of the courtroom . so trump came out the courtroom. so trump came out initially. he said it's a rigged trial . he's initially. he said it's a rigged trial. he's just been found guilty of all 34 counts. we're expecting him to get out and go into what i think is called the beast, isn't it? these big cars that they drive around in there. rick, i'll ask you about this, so. oh, look, i'm just reading in front of me here. each of these 34 counts carries a maximum sentence of four years in prison. however, new york imposes a 20 year sentencing cap for this type of offence. however, such sentences are usually only doled out with mitigating circumstances like previous felony convictions or based on the seriousness of the crime. well, if you're right, and this is a massively politically motivated and this is designed to shut donald trump

up and stop him from standing, then what's to say they won't imprison him ? imprison him? >> oh, i think they very well could. i mean, they've already asked for a sentencing, sometime in july, if that that schedule holds, obviously the appeal will have to go , you know, first. but have to go, you know, first. but at the end of the day, when you look at the way that this judge has run the trial, and he plays a massive part in the sentencing, he's the one that ultimately decides how many years for each of those charges. he, you know, donald trump could potentially get, it could be, you know, a significant number. it won't be anywhere near the maximum number which the media loves throwing around. but it'll be, you know, a minimal number. but look, at the end of the day, whether it's 1 or 10, i mean, the impact is being made, right? you're having a former president, you know, potentially go to jail, which opens a whole utany go to jail, which opens a whole litany of, of issues and questions, moving forward. so it's not a great day for donald trump . trump. >> and, look, this is this is

going to be a boost, though, is it not for biden? i mean , i it not for biden? i mean, i suppose it could work the other way, couldn't it, that trump's base is going to be, really worked up by this again , he's worked up by this again, he's saying it's rigged. it's a disgrace. it's a politically motivated trial. does that really mean, then, that every single member of that jury had it in for trump? >> no. look what we will find out over the next, probably 48 hours, is how the jury potentially deliberate it. a lot of this, and i think that's where a lot of people will be interested. what did they talk about? why did they ask certain questions about certain testimony? did they believe michael cohen as a witness ? they michael cohen as a witness? they clearly felt that there was enough evidence to convict on every , count. but at the end of every, count. but at the end of the day, what the american people are seeing is some guy, a former president that now has four chart, four, trials against him. this is the first and by far the weakest of the four. look, what is this? can i just legal analysts . legal analysts. >> well, well, okay. well, let's stick with that then. so. so unless i misheard you, rick.

sorry. you seem to think that this was the weakest of the four criminal trials that former president trump is facing. if he's been found guilty of all 34 counts in this, then that doesn't go particularly well, doesn't go particularly well, does it? >> not at all. and that's it. if you look at the venues of the other jurisdictions outside of the classifieds document case in florida, the other two are in new york and dc, those are going to be problematic for him as well. and this is exactly what everybody said before any of these trials started, is that these venues were selected because they were going to be biased against donald trump when they went through the jury pools . the jury selection, you saw some of these jurors had issues with donald trump. yeah. they still made the jury normally in a trial in the united states, you would not have that. you would be able to find people within a jury pool that were truly neutral or unbiased. and thatis truly neutral or unbiased. and that is exactly one of the grounds that the appeal will fall from. is, is this idea that they, the trump team, could not change? the judge would not allow them to change venue, which is a very, very important part in this trial. all right.

>> so look this is the quotes on quotes hush money case which involved a former porn star stormy daniels . what does this stormy daniels. what does this mean for his marriage then. because according to the jury, he cheated on his wife and paid her off. >> yeah. look melania has dealt with this stuff well in the past in terms of, you know, this is not as if this issue has come out today. we dealt with this issue on the campaign in 2016, when it first came out. it obviously took seven years for prosecutors to bring these charges. if you recall, the fec, the federal election commission in our country declined to bring this case against president trump. and then the first district attorney of new york declined . and to bring this case declined. and to bring this case against donald trump, it wasn't until alvin bragg assumed his new role that he then reinvigorated the charges and brought the case. can you so there's still a lot of problems with it. you know, look , he's with it. you know, look, he's got to, you know, sort through the family issues. he will melania knows how these political cases go and she is stuck by his side. and she's been on the campaign trail with him. and i don't see any change in that. in fact, i think it's

going to motivate his base to come out even stronger. >> we have got some fabulous shots for you all here, so we've just had an aerial shot from outside the back of the courtroom now, where presumably former president donald trump will leave and exit and enter his motorcade. these are live images from the front, and we've been hearing from some of the trump supporters earlier on. hope to go back to that soon. look i'm wondering if you can shed a bit of light on this for me . okay? so we're always me. okay? so we're always deaung me. okay? so we're always dealing in maximum sentences here. so this hush money case up to 20 years, the classified documents case apparently up to 450 years. we're looking at the federal election interference case up to 55 years, the georgia racketeering case, up to 76.5 years. all right, so, look, those are the worst case. so what happens if he's sentenced to, say, two years and then he wins the election? can he be your president from in jail? >> he actually can. a constitution . the only things constitution. the only things that are required are an age requirement and a residency. and where you were born. it doesn't

say anything about being a convicted felon. you can run as a convicted felon. you can be present as a convicted felon. the interesting thing about this new york case, though, however, is there has been discussion that if one of the federal cases, he were convicted on those, he could, in theory self—pardon, with a state case, he cannot the only person that can pardon him in this case is the governor of new york, who currently is a democrat. so that's a very unlikely scenario. >> so just so we are clear on this, then, because this whole thing is a bit bonkers . all thing is a bit bonkers. all right. and especially from the other side of the atlantic where we are now as it currently stands, there is a fairly decent chance that the next president of the united states could win an election from inside a prison cell and then be forced to stay inside that prison cell because the governor of new york is a democrat. but you could conceivably have a whole term served from within a prison . served from within a prison. >> yeah. this is the interesting thing in technically , the

thing in technically, the process would be that the trump team would file their appeal while that appeal is working through the system, and it will go well beyond the election in principle that individual the convicted individual would not go to prison while the appeal is in, is being heard. however, with judge mershon and there's been a lot of controversy over him presiding over this case, he could, in theory, put donald trump in prison. until that appeal works its way through the system, most legal analysts and people in america don't believe that will happen . but, you know, that will happen. but, you know, we didn't think that he would be found guilty either. so there's a lot that could happen. but at the end of the day, a normal citizen in our country would be free. while that appeal works its way through the system, once the decision on the appeal was made, then they would be determined whether or not their sentencing and how long they were, you know, going to be incarcerated . incarcerated. >> okay. so you are a former adviser to donald trump and is

this the kind of thing he'd do? you know, he's he's maybe done something wrong, got people got people to cover it up for him. yeah. he's a high powered businessman . before he was a top businessman. before he was a top politician. this is the kind of thing that that people did know. >> look, i was on this particular instance. no, i mean, we didn't get anybody to cover up anything for him. and that's not typically his style, anything that he encountered , anything that he encountered, and particularly what we encountered on the campaign was very open , very transparent. we very open, very transparent. we had a lot of people come out of the woodwork saying and accusing donald trump of various things, which we had to defend against. this was not one of them. and this was i think part of the frustration is why did it take seven years to bring this case, up now, right before the next election, where donald trump is the nominee . that is the part the nominee. that is the part that's frustrated a lot of americans. i rick, just before i bnng americans. i rick, just before i bring my panel back in on this. >> rick, what is the chance of violence here? because we saw the january the 6th, capitol

hill, i mean, look, okay, i will i will just reiterate to people, you know, a lot of people describe that as an insurrection. there was some cctv footage that came out after that that made it look a bit more like a guided tour. however, however , there, what is however, however, there, what is the chance of there being some kind of , trouble on the streets here? >> look, i think the chance is high. i hope it doesn't happen. but you saw the protesters outside. there have already been some altercations. earlier this week, nothing of a great magnitude, but, yeah, i think this is going to further divide the country. and we're not in a good place right now. and there are some people out there that believe resorting to violence is a tool to be able to deal with this. i hope they reconsider. i hope that there isn't violence, we need the judicial system be protected in this case, regardless of how frustrating it is or how weaponized or politicised it might be. okay look, rick, i'm going to ask you if it's okay to hang around a little bit for us.

>> i am very sorry. we, you know, we have called you at the last minute here and you've done an absolutely stellar job for us. i'm just going to ask you to just hang around if that's possible. and i'm just going to bnng possible. and i'm just going to bring back in now my panel, who've been sitting and listening to all of the things and all of the insightful stuff that you've been saying, there, yeah. christine. christine, by the way, of the daily express, i mean, this is absolutely remarkable. we are witnessing a history in the making. former president donald trump has been found guilty of all 34 counts. he came out. i'm hoping we might be able to just play you at some point as well. a little clip of what donald trump did say from outside the steps of the courthouse there. but he said this is a rigged trial, a conflicted judge, a disgraceful trial. the real verdict will be on november the fifth by the people. he's not going anywhere. he's weaponizing this as his campaign. >> he is, he is. we've also had, nigel farage has said the verdict is a disgrace. trump will now win big and donald trump jr who you had to bleep out earlier , has come out with out earlier, has come out with another statement saying the democrats have succeeded in

their years long attempt to turn america into a third world's hole. november 5th is our last chance to save it. so you know, you get a sense there that this is just so divisive and emotional and you know what? from both sides, actually, you get the actually, i think the left in america, the democrats are, are revelling in this slightly too much to deny that they're thinking of the political consequences as well as just the raw legal consequences. you get the sense that donald trump is their biggest fear, and they're they're really damn happy that this, this trial has gone the way it has. yeah. >> let me just bring up now the tweet from nigel farage, which christine was alluding to, this verdict is a disgrace. trump will now win big matthew gb views. >> well, i mean, it's just absolutely extraordinary, isn't it? one interesting thing is he might be able to serve as president, but he won't be able

to vote for himself because he's registered to vote in florida. well, you have to have your conviction has to be completely spent before you, before you're allowed to vote. so if he is incarcerated, he won't be able to vote for itself. i mean, look, you know, we're enjoying the theatre of it, but there are hugely serious consequences , for hugely serious consequences, for the future of the world. i mean, you can't, you know, this is a president who's going to have his fingers on the nuclear button from from a prison cell with the secret service, camped outside. so it is, i mean, it's both sort of insane, but it's also worrying. >> so, susan, what do you make of this idea, though, that there is political motivation behind this, the location of it, the way that they're trying to bring all of these different court cases against him, the potential lengths of sentences, etc. is there some truth to that? >> i can't help but think that there is. patrick yes. as i said earlier, you know, look at the contrast between this and what happened to bill clinton, interestingly, you talked about florida . matthew, ron desantis, florida. matthew, ron desantis, the republican governor of florida, is also tweeted. he said if the defendant were not donald trump, this case would never have been brought. the

judge would never have issued similar rulings, and the jury would never have returned a guilty verdict . and he ended up guilty verdict. and he ended up by calling it basically a kangaroo court. by calling it basically a kangaroo court . and, you know, kangaroo court. and, you know, this is a rallying cry. now, this is a rallying cry. now, this isn't just a court case. now, this is going to be the fact that trump has lost. it's going to be, i think, a rallying cry to his supporters. going to be, i think, a rallying cry to his supporters . yeah. cry to his supporters. yeah. >> okay. and just to remind you what you're looking at right now on your screens is the back of that courthouse with former president donald trump's motorcade there. we will i think, at some point soon see him walk out of that again . i'm him walk out of that again. i'm hoping that i might be able to play hoping that i might be able to play to you. donald trump's reaction in the immediate aftermath of this, of this case found guilty of all 34 counts in relating relation to a hush money payment towards stormy daniels. i'll with you to some of the other things, that former president donald trump is now going to face as well, the federal election interference case, which could be up to 55 years. this is the justice department's second case against mr trump. it accuses him of efforts to overturn the 2020

presidential election in his favour. he faces charges of conspiracy to defraud the united states, conspiracy against americans, rights of voting free elections and attempting to block the certification of the election results by summoning a mob to attack the us capitol on the 6th of january, 2021. should he be convicted on either point. he faces a steep maximum prison sentence . it could carry up to sentence. it could carry up to 55 years. we can hear now from former president donald trump . former president donald trump. >> this was a rigged, disgraceful trial that the real verdict is going to be november 5th by the people and they know what happened here and everybody knows what happened here. you have a soros backed d.a. and a whole thing. we didn't do a thing wrong . i'm a very innocent thing wrong. i'm a very innocent man and it's okay. i'm fighting for our country. i'm fighting for our country. i'm fighting for our country. i'm fighting for our constitution , and i can

for our constitution, and i can take you live to the us now with gb news us correspondent stephen edginton. >> stephen, what are we living through here? this feels big. >> this is totally unprecedented. patrick. no former president has ever been convicted with a crime. and i think the mood here in the united states is explosive. the energy and the emotion that people on both sides are expressing is phenomenal. i think the republicans i mean, since i've been here in dc, i really get a sense that the republicans are furious with what they see as a political prosecution. on the other side, the democrats see trump as being a major threat to democracy . a major threat to democracy. they're very concerned about him winning. in november , and i winning. in november, and i think many of them are quite happy, actually, that he's being convicted today, that he faces all these trials not just in new york, but around the country. and he could be going to prison for the first time in american history, we have a presidential candidate and a former president

who could be going to prison. >> indeed. where from from where he can serve as president, apparently, and potentially be reliant on a democrat governor of new york to release him, which isn't going to happen. so just when you think all of this couldn't get weirder , look couldn't get weirder, look realistically, stephen, what is this going to do when it comes to moving the dial at the election? trump said the real verdict will be on november the fifth. that's the election. is he going to win it? >> i think this actually helps his chances massively. it really plays in to what trump has been saying for years, and the democrats have played their hand, i think, pretty poorly here. this was a weak case. i think we can all see it was a weak case. although the democrats say that. look, no one's above the law. it's important that everyone you know has their proper, fair trial , has their proper, fair trial, and this is a fair outcome. they would argue that. but i think when it comes to november, this really will energise trump's base.i really will energise trump's base. i think it will make them absolutely furious and turn out to vote, for what they see as a president under fire from his political enemies . political enemies. >> we are witnessing just live

shots now from outside of that new york courthouse and where the crowds are building. so there was quite a sparsely attended , barrack barricade attended, barrack barricade there, and now we're already up to, i don't know what, maybe about 100 people. i would imagine that those crowds will steadily build as news trickles through that former president donald trump has been found guilty of all 34 charges, especially in relation to stormy daniels, the former porn star who he now is guilty of, sending hush to money for, stephen, when we look at what could actually happen here, do you think that they will send him down because they will send him down because the line from trump is that this is rigged . the line from trump is rigged. the line from trump supporters is that this is politically motivated. they're designed to take him out of action because he's too powerful . so to take that to its natural conclusion, then they would give him the biggest sentence possible, wouldn't they? i think that legal experts say that he

probably won't go to prison for this crime, this is his first conviction, there's lots of mitigating circumstances and factors. so i think the experts say that it's unlikely that he will actually be sent to prison for this. however, obviously , if for this. however, obviously, if this is politically motivated, then the logical conclusion to that would be that the democrats and the judges and the politicians involved in this case would send trump to prison. we obviously know that many democrats have said that they want to see trump interrupt stephen, but that appears to be former president donald trump leaving the back of the courtroom. >> i think certainly some some of his entourage. it was. yes, there we go. so that was , former there we go. so that was, former president donald trump in that front car that you're witnessing there with security agents surrounding it. let's just yeah, let's stick on this now. so trump has, as we understand it, exhed trump has, as we understand it, exited the back of the

courtroom, got in that vehicle and will be heading off, i would imagine to trump tower probably at some point very very soon. look, stephen, thank you for this. please do stay where you are because i'm going to need you a heck of a lot over the course of the next hour or so. i am joined now by us attorney lisa bloom. lisa, thank you very much . can i just get your much. can i just get your reaction, please, to this? absolutely historic day? >> yes . >> yes. >> yes. >> well, as an attorney who represented four women accusing trump of sexual misconduct in 2016, and as an attorney who's practised law for almost 38 years, i can tell you i'm very happy with our. this years, i can tell you i'm very happy with our . this country, happy with our. this country, the prosecution presented a very methodical case. other people have already gone to prison for trump's crimes, like allen weisselberg, his chief financial officer, michael cohen, many others associated with him and

now the guy at the top, donald trump, has been found guilty , trump, has been found guilty, and he's been found guilty for only one reason because he is guilty. >> trump says. rigged trial conflicted judge, disgraceful trial. the real verdict will be on november the 5th. he says he's fighting for his country and his constitution. this has been done by the biden administration as a bit of a stitch up. you don't buy that well, because it's not true. >> the biden administration has nothing to do with this state case. and that's what this was. and it's not rigged. he could have testified , and he didn't. have testified, and he didn't. he could have gone into the courtroom like every other witness, raised his right hand and swore to tell the truth and said in the courtroom, all the things that he's saying on his social media platform and outside. but he didn't because they are lies and because he would then additionally have been found guilty of perjury. so it's absurd . our system is not it's absurd. our system is not rigged. if anything, our system is rigged in favour of defendants who have every constitutional right which his

attorneys asserted on his behalf. and he lost fair and square just to articulate what people will be seeing if they are watching us on tv. >> now, that is the former president's motorcade leaving that courthouse in new york city. and these are great aerial shots, actually, because, you know, i thought there would probably be a bigger crowd here. i thought that there would be a crowd from both sides potentially really going at each other. there's a lot of the what would you call them? maga supporters wouldn't you, who we were interacting with a little bit outside , one of them bit outside, one of them appeared to suggest that it was okay for him to cheat on his quotes. fat, cranky wife . so quotes. fat, cranky wife. so their verdict is in. but that is that is, people that are waving flags. trump 2024 trump for president. i don't know if we can take audio. can we take any audio of this? maybe just see if we can get a little bit of just get a little bit of the atmos maybe at some point, hopefully we'll be able to bring it to you. there we go. >> but you know what? >> but you know what? >> this is a very small crowd.

>> this is a very small crowd. >> i've been too small just to say sorry to cut across you later. i just want to articulate trump. trump was way we got a little bit of him there. so trump was waving to that crowd. you're saying it's a small crowd? i suppose it doesn't look like there's going to be too much, too much outrage. and in new york, maybe that's just because of where it is. well i can tell you, i've been to a lot of high profile trials myself, and this is nothing. >> yes, his core supporters are going to stick with him, but they're not the people who are important in the election. the important in the election. the important ones are the independents, the moderates , the independents, the moderates, the people in the middle. and many of them have said if he is convicted of felonies and now 34 felonies he's been convicted of, it might make a difference to them. so that's who i'm curious about. not his hardcore base that, you know, he could literally do anything and they don't care . don't care. >> okay. all right. now can i just say to our viewers and listeners here that we are, as i understand it, going to here in a little bit from nigel farage

live on this show, i can't tell you exactly when we're going to be hearing for nigel farage. i am in communication with him and he has said that he will come on as soon as he can. so just stay tuned for that because he's obviously got very strong views on this. he says it's a joke. he says that trump is going to win big. i do i do want to get your views on on this, lisa, which is look, you you obviously are, you know, absolutely 100% cast iron. sure that he's guilty. crucially, the jury is cast iron, sure that he's guilty as well. and ultimately, that is what matters . but there must be what matters. but there must be must be a concern for you. surely that actually this has created even more of a so—called monster, as you might see. and he will be this totally figure, you know, really tapping into a big core growth of americans there who could come out and vote for him, and then he could win . win. >> well, of course, i'm concerned that he could win . but concerned that he could win. but i'm very proud of our legal system. you know, this is our highest level of proof that's required our criminal justice

system that each and every element of all those 34 counts had to be proved beyond a reasonable doubt. trump had excellent attorneys who argued every point on his behalf, who gave an outstanding closing argument, who took matters up on appeal argument, who took matters up on appeal, who argued every legal issue he had a more than fair trial, much more than most defendants have in our system who can't afford these expensive, high profile attorneys. and he had every argument made on his behalf, and he lost fair and square. and i think most americans like our legal system, trust our legal system . and legal system, trust our legal system .and i'm legal system, trust our legal system . and i'm old enough to system. and i'm old enough to remember when the right wing was the party of law and order. so how could they support somebody who's now a convicted felon? >> lisa, thank you very much . >> lisa, thank you very much. it's lisa bloom there who's a us attorney. i just would ask you, lisa, if possible, just to have a little chat with some of my producers off air just to see if we can keep you on for a little bit. i'm going to go back to our us reporter, steven edginton in, in a second. now, steven, what

is the mood music like there? i know you're going to be all over the, american social media. you're plugged into it in a way that i you're plugged into it in a way thati can you're plugged into it in a way that i can only dream of being from our paddington studio here. you heard it from from the us attorney, lisa bloom. look, this isn't rigged. this is cast iron. he's guilty . he's got what he he's guilty. he's got what he deserves. the best legal representation a man could buy, as we watch his motorcade pull away. now, he is now a criminal. >> absolutely. he is technically a criminal under the law. he still has a right to an appeal, of course, which i think is highly likely that he will, he will do , obviously, on twitter will do, obviously, on twitter and social media. it's going absolutely crazy. you're right . absolutely crazy. you're right. you're right to mention that republicans are absolutely furious with what's happened today. they absolutely see it as a political prosecution of a presidential candidate, again, completely unprecedented in american history. if this was happening in any other country around the world where a presidential candidate or an elect or a leading candidate for

a major election in a western democracy, i think the americans would see this as being rightfully as being a sort of a violation of democratic processes. now, obviously, on the other side, the democrats say this was completely fair. this was a fair trial. say this was completely fair. this was a fair trial . no one is this was a fair trial. no one is above the law. president trump absolutely deserves to be convicted today, but i think that ahead of november, this is only going to sort of inject a huge amount of energy into the campaign on both sides. i think there's absolutely shock and awe, at the moment, people reacting in the united states, particularly the republicans, to, you know, one of their heroes, trump, has such a big reputation here, his maga supporters absolutely love him. and for them to see him be convicted in this way , be convicted in this way, be persecuted in this way, they are absolutely furious . absolutely furious. >> i'm just checking with interest how certain big american news corporations like cnn are reporting this. they've immediately got the words, facts check in big bold letters. here, trump repeats baseless claim

about the biden administration and the hush money case. he says there is no basis for trump's claim. there is no evidence that president joe biden or his administration had any role in launching or running the manhattan district attorney alvin brags prosecution. however, brag is a democrat, isn't he? and so when you look at it like that, it's very hard to say that there is no political motivation for this . political motivation for this. >> i think that there is a very strong argument that the democrats are going after trump using what's known as lawfare . using what's known as lawfare. they're using the law to go after a presidential candidate and as you say rightly, alvin bragg, the prosecutor, is a democrat . the politicians in new democrat. the politicians in new york are democrats. you even had prosecutors, democrat prosecutors, democrat prosecutors running for election, saying that i will prosecute trump. i will send him to prison if you vote for me, as your prosecutor now, british viewers have to remember that

there are elections for district attorneys and so on in the united states is a very different system to what we have in the uk. so i think that i think trump and his supporters do actually have quite a strong case to say this is politically motivated. the democrats, some democrats have been quite open with this, saying, look, if you for vote me, i will take down trump. now, whether this is connected personally with president biden, i think that's another matter. does he really need to be talking with the manhattan district attorney, or with politicians and prosecutors in new york? i think they already hate trump enough for him to do this without , or for him to do this without, or for them to do this without president trump's, president biden's direction . so whether biden's direction. so whether president biden is directly involved in this, i think is something else. >> okay. now, look, we have heard now from the biden camp. so it started with a tweet. it said , there's only one way to said, there's only one way to keep donald trump out of the oval office at the ballot box. so we have a similarity here between former president trump and current president joe biden.

they know they are both going to be contesting this presidential election on november the 5th. the biden campaign are insisting you have to vote this guy away from office, right. there is now a statement as well. so biden's campaign released a statement in the wake of this verdict. there main takeaway is that it shows that nobody is above the law. it says donald trump has always mistakenly believed that he would never face the consequences for breaking the law for his own personal gain. but today's verdict does not change the fact that american people face a simple reality . people face a simple reality. there is still only one way to keep donald trump out of the oval office at the ballot box. convicted felon or not, trump will be the republican nominee for president. the threat trump poses to our democracy has never been greater. look, poses to our democracy has never been greater . look, he faces been greater. look, he faces other issues, though stephen doesn't. he and some of those issues are about this supposed, you know, insurrection on, on

january the 6th. that is a very hotly contested one, isn't it, some of those videos that came out in the wake of that did appear to show that it was slightly less of an insurrection of potentially more of a guided toun of potentially more of a guided tour, massive, massive consequences to it, though, in the role that he played in in whipping that up. so, you know, this could get worse for trump. how do you see that going? >> i think the problem that trump has is that many of these places where the trials are taking place are very, very democratic areas. so the jury pool that you're selecting from are heavily biased against him, just naturally, because look at new york, trump said in his statement outside of the court today , this was an area where he today, this was an area where he had 5% support in the general election last year or last time. so i think trump has a real problem here where he's not he says that he's not getting a fair trial. he's not getting a fair trial. he's not getting a fair jury. and i think the issue fairjury. and i think the issue with the insurrection is very is a very difficult one for him.

also, the issue in florida , also, the issue in florida, where he was he's accused of taking home these classified documents. again, it looks like there's a lot of evidence against trump in that case. some republicans are saying this is all politically motivated, of course, and he faces other charges , in georgia as well. so charges, in georgia as well. so look, we've got a series of problems that trump is facing legally, politically . i think legally, politically. i think this actually helps him. i think it looks like the democrats are trying to take it take him down. it looks like he's kind of an underdog, against these all of these political prosecutions. so legally, he really is in trouble , this was meant to be one of the weakest cases, and yet he's been found guilty on every single, count, but politically , single, count, but politically, i think this only makes him stronger. >> we're looking at again here is that trump motorcade. there are some helicopters landing on are some helicopters landing on a helipad, nearby, i don't know whether or not that motorcade is going to stop and he's going to get into one of those, but we will, of course, show it to you. it appears at the moment he's stuck in traffic. i tell you

what i'm going to read to you now, though, is a tweet from tucker carlson. everybody knows tucker carlson. everybody knows tucker carlson. everybody knows tucker carlson. if you don't, you certainly should. formerly of fox news now doing his own thing. very much so on x import the third world become the third world. that's what we just saw. this won't stop trump. he'll win the election if he's not killed first. but it does mark the end of the fairest justice system in the world. anyone who defends this verdict is a danger to you and your family. this verdict is a danger to you and your family . suzanne. the and your family. suzanne. the american right is very much having its say over this. >> absolutely. it's clearly fixed in its opinion that this was a stitched up trial, and it's not going to deviate from that, is it? despite the fact there was evidence. now, you look, you know, patrick, i have a huge amount of sympathy for trump. they went after him from day one. there's absolutely no doubt about that. i don't think he ever had a fair press. i don't think he ever really had a fair bite at the cherry had actually being president. he was constantly firefighting. however for i think the evidence is pretty clear, he did fabricate those documents. he did pay off

stormy daniels. and he tried to put it through his tax accounts, and he shouldn't have done it, but i think there are also questions to ask here. you know, had the trial been held in florida, had it been held in texas, the verdict might have been very, very different. but of course, what's interesting is under the american legal system here in britain, a jury is a jury. the jury is kept secret. it's all behind closed doors. we never really know what the jury thinks. no one knows what goes on in that jury room in america . on in that jury room in america. we will hear from the jury in the next extraordinary. >> and it's just so much, you know, so, you know, so weird to a british audience. yeah. >> and it'd be interesting because i expect people will be going over their political affiliations with a fine tooth comb . comb. >> okay. now, look, if you are just watching us on telly or onune just watching us on telly or online now, that is the president's motorcade, former president's motorcade, former president's motorcade, former president's motorcade pulling away . it's 11 president's motorcade pulling away. it's 11 pm. huge breaking news tonight. former us president donald trump has been found guilty on all 34 counts in his hush money trial. he was

accused of falsifying business documents to cover up a hush money, $130,000 payment to adult film star stormy daniels . the film star stormy daniels. the jury film star stormy daniels. the jury of 12 new york residents returned the verdict about one hour ago, just before justice juan merchan was set to release the group after a full day of deliberations. so the unprecedented conviction marks the end of the six week long trial in manhattan . donald trump trial in manhattan. donald trump has made history now after becoming the first criminally convicted former us president. we are going to be hearing this hour from nigel farage, a close confidant of the former president, a man who has already said that this is a ridiculous verdict and that trump will win. but here is the former president outside that courthouse . outside that courthouse. >> this was a rigged, disgraced trial. but the real verdict is going to be november 5th by the