now can stand what a what a farce this is all turning into. but now we've seen policies and tough talking on things like fly—tipping, people potentially being asked to leave social housing if they're repeat offenders. we've had big talk on energy and lots more. what's your thoughts on it all.7 but energy and lots more. what's your thoughts on it all? but of course the big stuff dominating the news today. of course we saw donald trump last night, found guilty on 34 counts today. did you see it? if 40 minute speech, if you missed it were it not because we will be looking at that. he spoke a lot about many issues that we face here on controlled immigration, changing demographics and the nation's safety. i can tell you now, it was pretty explosive, your thoughts on it all? also in germany, have you seen the horrific event which took place there? there was a critic of islam speaking and knifed repeatedly. all lived streamed. what on earth is going . on? what on earth is going. on? well, there is a packed show

coming up for sure. i can tell you. professor matt goodwin and paula embry will be keeping me company. but before we get stuck in, let's cross live for tonight's latest news headlines as . as. >> let's bring you first to the united states, where donald trump has indeed called his conviction part of a grand conspiracy and accused the judge in his case in the manhattan courthouse of being conflicted following his unprecedented trial and conviction. he's been speaking at trump tower hours after being convicted of falsifying his business records relating to hush money payments to a porn star during a wide ranging 33 minute speech, donald trump vowed to appeal what he described as a scam verdict. the now convicted former president also said falsely , that the us also said falsely, that the us is a fascist state and claimed he's fighting for the constitution. he's due to be sentenced on the 11th of july, though he's also been indicted

on three other cases. >> i'm doing something for this country and i'm doing something for our constitution. it's very important , far beyond me. and important, far beyond me. and this can't be allowed to happen to other presidents. it should never be allowed to happen in the future. but this is far beyond me . this is bigger than beyond me. this is bigger than trump. this is bigger than me. this is bigger than my presidency. he >> donald trump speaking about an hour and a half ago. meanwhile here in the uk, sir keir starmer, the leader of the labour party , has now given the labour party, has now given the green light for labour veteran diane abbott to stand as a labour candidate in the general election coming up on july the 4th. it's after the mp was suspended over some comments she made suggesting that jewish, irish and traveller people experience prejudice. but not racism. the days the labour leader had declined to confirm whether diane abbott would be able to defend her seat in her constituency. but this afternoon sir keir starmer said she could

stand for labour and a vote for labouris stand for labour and a vote for labour is a is a chance to end that chaos, to turn a page, to change for the better of the country, to change our nhs, to change our public services, to make sure our economy is stable , make sure our economy is stable, to make sure our communities are cared for and to move forward and rebuild our country. >> that is the choice i accept. not a single vote has been cast. i'm humble about this and i know every vote must be earned. but the power now under our democracy is with the voters. >> to sir keir starmer. well he also said his party, if it won power, would fix britain's economy. outlining a series of plans to cut household bills, he was speaking at an event in scotland and said the new publicly owned gb energy entity would cut costs and speed up the transition to clean power . would cut costs and speed up the transition to clean power. we're urging his supporters to vote for change, sir keir said that while liz truss had lost control of the economy, labour's plans could be trusted. the prime minister dismissed it as a

vanhy minister dismissed it as a vanity project. in other news, we've heard this evening that a man has admitted threatening to kill the former labour leader ed miliband, 56 year old michael donaldson made the comments about the mp for doncaster in march, in an apparent reference to the murders of mps jo cox and sir david amess a judge told him it was a serious crime to threaten a politician given recent history. the man has been remanded in custody ahead of sentencing in july. meanwhile, police are appealing for information from turkish and kurdish communities in london as a nine year old girl remains in a nine year old girl remains in a critical condition in hospital after a drive by shooting in east london. she was having dinner with her family in a restaurant in hackney when shots were fired from outside. three men were hurt. one of those is facing life changing injuries. detectives say the motorbike used in the attack was stolen from a property in wembley in 2021, and they're urging anyone with any information at all to

come forward and speak to police or contact crime stoppers. now, as you've been hearing in germany, multiple people have been injured after a man apparently stabbed members of the public watching an online live streaming event in the country. the attacker was reportedly outside a campaign tent for the german anti—islamist group called citizens movement. pax europa, before he was then shot by police , who rushed to the scene. police, who rushed to the scene. the injured police officer that was hurt in that incident has had to go undergo emergency medical treatment. we understand it's not yet known what motivated that attack. happier news now and a zoo is celebrating after 11 endangered baby penguins were born , the baby penguins were born, the highest number in a decade. take a look at these cute pictures of humboldt penguin chicks. if you're watching on tv. they were born at chester zoo in mid—april . experts are saying the species was the most at risk species of

the 17 that there are due to climate change and overfishing, and they're naming this year's chicks after plants. so you're looking at little nettle, thistle , dandelion, tulip and thistle, dandelion, tulip and daffodil. the names for the new baby humboldt chicks, penguin chicks. well done, chester zoo. that's the news for the latest stories, do sign up to gb news alerts. scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. common alerts. >> thank you very much for that, polly and michelle dewberry and i'm keeping you company until 7:00 tonight alongside me, the professor of politics at the university of kent, matt goodwin , and the trade unionist and broadcaster paul embery. good evening , gents to both of you. evening, gents to both of you. that was nice, wasn't it? ending the news bulletins there on that nice story about those new baby penguin fans. nice to have a bit of. yeah, it's just nice to have a bit of fluffiness, don't you

think? >> not really. didn't do much for me. it's all politics. >> there's always one, isn't they? there's always one. >> there's an election on, don't you know? >> bah humbug. well, you know what? there was i trying to bnng what? there was i trying to bring a bit of lightness to all the shade that i'm about to kick off over the next hour. but you know what? you can't please some people, can you? so i shall move on. what's on your mind tonight? everybody there has been lots going on. have you seen donald trump's 40 minutes, some call it a ramble, some call it a speech. i thought it was absolutely fascinating. i was sitting there with my popcorn out. there's lots i want to unpick from that conversation . also, the conversation. also, the horrendous goings on in germany . horrendous goings on in germany. what on earth. give me your thoughts on it all. gb news. com eamonn corsair on the website. you can talk to me there . or of you can talk to me there. or of course you can email gb views @gbnews. com or you can go onto twitter and reach me there. wherever you are watching and listening tonight, you really are very, very welcome . but of are very, very welcome. but of course it is another day on the campaign trail. course it is another day on the campaign trail . we're going,

campaign trail. we're going, we're going to get through it together, everyone. i think we've only got about 35 days to go.thank we've only got about 35 days to go. thank goodness i can cross live. now to our political commentator live. oh, there she is. she's on a bus. hello. welcome. catherine foster, where are you ? are you? >> hello, michelle. i barely know it's all a bit of a blur, but i believe we are. we are on a motorway, travelling in the middle lane and somewhere or other in yorkshire, going on to our next destination. so today we started off in the northwest. we were at a farm near macclesfield, where the prime minister was feeding baby baby lambs milk , talking to farmers, lambs milk, talking to farmers, emphasising to them, of course, that he represents a local constituency in richmond, saying that he values what they do and also trying to give a bit of a hand to the local mp there. that is a safe labour seat, sorry, a

safe conservative seat at the moment. and then we moved on to bury in greater manchester, went on a heritage railway that was exciting . he bought us an ice exciting. he bought us an ice cream that the mp there is james daly. now he has the most marginal seat in the country. i think his majority was only something like 400 at the last election an over labour. so obviously his seat is in danger. so the prime minister trying to give him a bit of a boost. also the conservatives talking about a pride of place, wanting to foster a sense of community and crack down on anti—social behaviour, things like kicking people out of social housing and if they, you know, have three strikes and you're out if you like, and cracking down on fly—tipping by giving people points on their driving licences, etc. meanwhile, up in scotland, labour were wanting to

talk about their great british energy plan that they say is going to take £200 off all our bills by 2030. but i have to say it's all been overshadowed, as have the last few days. basically with this huge row over diane abbott. of course, the first black female mp ever elected to parliament, been an mp since 1987. all this row that began when she said she'd understood that she's been banned from standing sir keir starmer, then spent a couple of days saying no, no, no, no decision has been taken. that's not correct. then yesterday the deputy labour leader, angela raynen deputy labour leader, angela rayner, came out and said, well, i think diane should be able to stand if she wants to anas sarwar . that labour leader in sarwar. that labour leader in scotland said the same. and then this afternoon, sir keir starmer, having said in the morning no decision has been taken and it's not up to me, then said well she will be free

to stand if she wants to. it's all been a bit of a mess for labour over this over the last couple of days, and i think it exposes the fact that, yes, of course there are still divisions there. so keir starmer has done a very good job of papering over those cracks. but the divisions still exist indeed. >> dacre, thank you very much for that whistle stop update. very much appreciate it. that's katherine forster then you know i'll come on to in a second the three strikes and you're out of your social housing for antisocial behaviour. why on earth is as many as three three attempts before you get the boot? i can hear people moaning and groaning alongside me. i'll come on to that in a second, let's cut to the chase. but diane abbott thing, we've been going round in circles over the last few days. it's getting a bit boring now, quite frankly. anyway, look, we've got to the end of it. she's allowed to stand now. is that good? >> i don't think it is actually, i think with diane abbott, it's a it's a symbol of how the left really gives people a free pass.

there's a double standard here. if you look at everything, diane abbott has said in recent years. well, crikey, let's think about it. jews don't experience racism , white people can't possibly understand black patients in hospitals. oh, here's another classic. chairman mao did more good than harm. also, white people like to divide and conquer . another classic by conquer. another classic by diane abbott. yet here we are, the labour party and many people. let's be honest, in the wider media class and commentary are falling over themselves to ensure that this person is allowed back into frontline politics. and let's be honest, the only reason for that is because diane abbott happens to because diane abbott happens to be black, right? and she happens to be a black female labour mp. and i think personally that's disgraceful. i don't think she should be in front line politics. i think the things she said about, jews, about white people, about chairman mao and his disastrous genocide in china , i think are completely outrageous. so, no, i don't think this is a great day. >> paul embery i share her party. i don't share her politics. the word trailblazer

has been used a lot, and i think that's right. she is a trailblazer and it's been really badly handled. i think she should be allowed to stand. i think she's earned the right to stand, having been the mp for that constituency for so long. some of the things that she said over the years, matt's right are frankly barmy, but the labour party is a broad church and she is probably just at the margins. she's right up against the wall of that broad church. i would say, the left hand wall, and i think a lot of mainstream labour party people don't necessarily support her politics, but are admire her for what she's done in politics. you know , being the in politics. you know, being the first black woman being elected as a member of parliament, she's taken an awful amount of abuse over the years that she she didn't deserve. frankly, and, you know, this is a self—inflicted wound the last three days for the labour party, there's a kind of top down process that's taking place, which i'm not comfortable with, where the leader's office and members of the nec are essentially trying to impose particular candidates and

deselect other candidates. i don't think that's healthy for any party, particularly one that's aspiring to government. i don't think it's good for democracy. diane abbott has pushed back and she's won. and actually , i'm quite glad that actually, i'm quite glad that she did. >> just to be clear, because i think this is an important point. you can be concerned about, diane abbott being in frontline politics and be concerned about the lack of democracy within the labour opposition. and i share your point there. but i think there is a double standard with the identitarian left right, that they are consistently given a free pass. i mean, if i was a politician on the conservative side because people are not professors of politics, were sitting there going, what do you mean, identitarian left? >> just tell them what you mean. >> just tell them what you mean. >> i mean, when it comes to identity politics, certain groups are given a free pass because they happen to come from a certain background. and i think that's what's happening here. so, for example, if i said the equivalent as a white male, straight conservative mp, as an example, that on balance, actually i think hitler did more good than harm or black people can't possibly understand white people or or black britons don't

experience racism like other groups , which is the equivalent groups, which is the equivalent of what she said. no, i get it. i don't think for a second i would be tolerated in british political life for and good reason. >> by the way, to be fair, there have been white labour mps who have been white labour mps who have said things that have been completely wrong. neil coyle, for example, barry sheerman, have said things that people have said things that people have suggested are anti—semitic and arguably were anti—semitic . and arguably were anti—semitic. and neil coyle said and did things which were beyond the pale and got a slap on the wrist. now i'm not particularly in favour of drumming mps out. i'm not suggesting they should have been drummed out, but there is a certain double standard at play is a certain double standard at play where people like faiza shaheen in woodford and diane abbott in hackney are being treated in a certain way. and i'm not suggesting that is because of their race. >> shaheen also said some pretty outrageous and sajid javid and i'm not i'm not suggesting they're being treated that way because of their race or in shaheen's case, because of her religion. >> but i think people are right to people are, though, because

there was an open letter written, earlier on today, wasn't there by a collection of different people saying that this was the treatment of diane abbott? was i quote, systemic racism? yeah. >> and i don't agree with that. >> and i don't agree with that. >> why are you laughing at that? >> why are you laughing at that? >> i don't i don't agree with that. >> we don't like is systemic institutional. >> i don't agree with it. i i don't is systemic racism. >> i don't think countryside is systemic racism . systemic racism. >> i don't think it's racist what's going on with diana. but but i do think it smacks of double standards. and i do think people are right to say it's hypocritical. she's been treated in a way, in a punitive way that other people within the party who happen to be more loyal to the leader have not been treated when arguably they've said and done things. >> i think i actually agree with you on some of that, but but again, the double standard works two ways. >> yeah, but this is what i'm saying to you when i was saying this, the tongue and throwing stuff, it's a bit boring because it doesn't, connect me more with what's going on in politics. i don't sit there and go, oh, it's on, it's off. they're falling out about this. it makes people, many people just disengage a little bit more because it just

feels like all this infighting, all of this briefing against each other, you're just turning people away. >> you need to understand it's an sw1 bubble story. and the sw1 bubble. their priorities are very different from the priorities of most people outside the m25. it's something that matt's written extensively about. but but this, this kind of stuff, this , this kind of of stuff, this, this kind of infighting and the labour party having a very mini civil war over the last three days, i don't think it will make a single difference come the actual ballot day. i think people look at it, register it and then completely forget some of that else that caught my eye, politics wise, today was an mp speaking out about a little gift, so to speak, that she's received through the letterbox . today. >> the police are at my office because somebody has put excrement through their letterbox. one of my volunteers had to find that this morning . had to find that this morning. now i understand that women get more than their fair share in political environments, but this attempt to bully me will not work because it is not the

decent or right thing to do, that was, catherine fletcher there. she's running for re—election in south ribble. why did you laugh then? something about that video i just find rather amusing. >> i don't know what it is. it's just a bit of a nap video, but. but there is a serious point actually behind this, which is, the harassment of mps and politicians and actually , i politicians and actually, i think if you look at where british politics over the last yean british politics over the last year, well, actually really the last six, seven years, we've got a number of serious cases of mps as well. >> you've just had that guy who just we heard about it in the bulletins there, didn't we? that, fella that's been threatening ed miliband, i mean, it is pretty damn disgraceful because we should be able to respectfully disagree within politics. and many people, they just don't have that in them. they can't just disagree with someone, they have to then go the next step and absolutely hate that person wants to cause harm to that person. but let's cut to the chase. people shouldn't be posting teds through other people's letterbox. >> no, they shouldn't . and you

>> no, they shouldn't. and you put the you put it so colourfully , michel. no they colourfully, michel. no they shouldn't. those incidents are appalling and they shouldn't happen. but at the same time we can't have politicians hiding away because that link between the voter and their representative is an extremely important one. and i think if we if we cocoon politicians, we wrap them up in cotton wool, then we undermine democracy. there's been a couple of dreadful incidents over the last decade. we know that people like jo cox and david amess, but by and large, i think it's good for prospective candidates for parliament to meet the voters . parliament to meet the voters. it's good that the likes of gillian duffy confront a prime minister and say, actually, i don't think you've got a handle on immigration. this was a working class woman in a labour constituency saying things that gordon brown probably doesn't get, didn't get said. >> but he called her a bigot, though, didn't he, when he had his hot mic on exactly the mask slips from time to time, but having the ability as a voter, most voters will never experience it. >> but having the ability as a voter to buttonhole politicians and to say, these are my

priorities is i think it's really important, especially as we said before , because many of we said before, because many of them do live in the sw1 bubble. politicians. so we don't want to be wrapping them up in cotton wool before the end of the programme. >> i do want to ask you about an idea from rishi sunak, which is if you're in social housing, you've got three strikes for antisocial behaviour. should you be given the boot, i would argue why wait until it gets to three? anyone that's lived near anyone that conducts themselves in an antisocial way will know that you have your lives made . you have your lives made. absolutely hell. why should you have to wait for the fed strike? get in touch and let me know your thoughts on that. but after the break, goodness gracious me, donald trump. have you been following the twists and turns in america? he's given a 40 minute speech today in response to those convictions . i can tell to those convictions. i can tell you it was explosive. let's look at it. after the

break. hello there. welcome back. i'm michelle jul brit school seven,

professor of politics at university of kent, matt goodwin, alongside us is the trade unionist and broadcaster paul embery . well, of course, paul embery. well, of course, last night did you see it happen ? of course, donald trump, he was found guilty of all 34 counts of so—called falsifying business records . these are. did business records. these are. did you see it? listen, he came out and spoke for 40 minutes about and spoke for 40 minutes about an hour and a half ago. and spoke for 40 minutes about an hour and a half ago . let's an hour and a half ago. let's look at some of the key things that he had to say in relation to that conviction. >> now i'm under a gag order, which nobody's ever been under. no presidential candidates ever been under a gag order before. i'm under a gag order. nasty gag order where i've had to pay thousands of dollars in penalties and fines and was threatened with jail. it was a figged threatened with jail. it was a rigged trial. we wanted a venue change where we could have a fair trial . we didn't get it. we fair trial. we didn't get it. we wanted a judge change. we wanted a judge that wasn't conflicted and obviously he didn't do that, there's nobody's ever seen

anything like it. we had a da who is a failed da. so a legal expensei who is a failed da. so a legal expense i paid a lawyer is a legal expense in the books. it's not, sheetrock construction or any other thing. it's a legal expense. think of that. this is what the falsification of business records were. and i said, what else are you going to call it ? and my lawyer said, call it? and my lawyer said, what do you need to go through it? all you wanted to do is testify simply on this case, because i would have loved to have testified to this day. i would have liked to have testified, but you would have been you would have said something out of whack , like it something out of whack, like it was a beautiful sunny day and it was a beautiful sunny day and it was actually raining out. legal expense was marked down as legal expense was marked down as legal expense. expense was marked down as legal expense . think of this. this is expense. think of this. this is my this is the crime that i committed. and >> i don't know if i've taken a funny pill or something today,

because i have to confess, when i listen to a lot of that 48 minutes, there were certain points which just made me laugh out loud, you know , what do you out loud, you know, what do you what? let's just rewind. what do you think to the fact that he was found guilty on these 34 counts? >> well, i think you know, there's something very serious going on within american democracy at the moment. i think there's no question in my mind, at least, you know, trump has violated , laws and conventions violated, laws and conventions and norms in america, not just now, but over the last few years, we saw the attempt to basically coerce, you know, the outcome of the last presidential election. we know he's not, you know , squeaky clean. but here's know, squeaky clean. but here's where i'm concerned . again, it where i'm concerned. again, it goes back to this notion of double standards. you know, the whole system, much of it, by the way, associated with the democrats is using the legal system to basically persecute trump in the middle of a presidential campaign. we've not really had anything similar when it comes to allegations of corruption. and nepotism within

biden and hunter biden's camp for many americans. and you just look at social media today , look at social media today, there is a profound and palpable sense of unfairness that that basically trump is being targeted because he's trump and he is the republican presidential nominee. my instinct and looking at the polls, right. i'm a pollster , polls, right. i'm a pollster, michel. so the polls today, one in the daily mail showing trump's up six points. my gut instinct here is i think this is going to play well for trump, i think a lot of voters, democrats, republicans, you know, they're already decided this court case, the outcome, whether or not he goes to prison , i don't think he will, but i don't think it's going to have an enormous impact on those voters. but i think for the sweet middle, you know, the assumption is that those swing voters are going to be put off by this. i'm not sure. you know, there's something that trump conveyed today and yesterday about strength, resilience, staring down the system, you know, claims of persecution, political meddling. i just think this is going to go in his

favour. i think it's going to help his campaign. >> paul embery i dislike the guy intensely and i wouldn't vote for him if you paid me, well, you wouldn't be able to. >> you're not an american. >> you're not an american. >> i do think this has the hallmarks of a bit of a stitch up. it's difficult to see that anybody else would have been pulled through the justice system in this way for what are essentially accounting misdemeanours. i mean, i think he was clearly guilty. i think there's any doubt about that, but they happened many years ago and some experts have said, look, actually the great scheme of things, they're not that serious and didn't deserve the kind of circus that we saw over, over the last few weeks. and the dangeris over the last few weeks. and the danger is that it does turn him into a martyr , and, you know, it into a martyr, and, you know, it backfires on his opponents because essentially he they're victimised them. and people generally certainly in britain. i suspect it's the same in america as well. they don't like it when people are being treated unfairly. they don't like it when people are being treated in

the way that trump has been treated. if they think there's a bit of a stitch up going on, and if it turns trump into a bit of an underdog, then the chances are that people are going to clamour to him. and it just solidifies not only his core vote, but the kind of middle ground as well. it could backfire in a big way. >> i noticed, elon musk was basically saying something similar today. you know, this is a dark day for american democracy because other presidents, you know, they've not been hauled through the courts over things like iraq, afghanistan , you know, drones afghanistan, you know, drones targeting weddings, quantum , targeting weddings, quantum, nimmo bay, cia surveillance, all of that stuff. but here we have a president being hauled through the courts for something that is actually fairly minor. but just here's my big concern, michel, just briefly already, no matter what happens in november , what happens in november, whether joe biden wins, whether donald trump wins already , we donald trump wins already, we have the foundation for the narrative that will emerge after the presidential election, which is the reason for this outcome, particularly if trump loses. the reason for this outcome is

because the democrats stitched up the presidential race. they kept him in the courts. they kept him in the courts. they kept him in the courts. they kept him off the campaign rallies. they kept him off the doorsteps. it's already there. the narrative is there . and so, the narrative is there. and so, you know, this is where i start to get quite concerned about america in, in the autumn and the winter because, you know, the winter because, you know, the all the ingredients that you would want for another , you would want for another, you know, conspiracy, another claim of double standards and an elite, you know, in cahoots to stop trump getting into the white house. they're all there already, and i mean, i've got to say, as you guys know, there is such division, among this, i was watching the reaction live last night. >> many of the people that were outside of the courtroom and the emotions, that donald trump's supporters felt it was really in some cases, i think it was quite overwhelming, some of these people, £39 million was raised on donations. the trump support , on donations. the trump support, like where you donate, basically that crashed, last night and as you just mentioned, they're

going up. but certainly, you know, one poll going up in the hours after it, the middle ground, though, will be where it's most interesting, the impact, because if you love trump, you love trump. i think, you know, whatever he did, i don't think he'd care. and if you hate trump, vice versa, it's those middle verses and whether or not they will be swayed and it's not just the rust belt and the people who have been left behind by globalisation. >> he is getting the votes of the hispanics, of black people, of asian people in a way that it used to be the democrats who could command the majority of those votes. and i think because the democrats have kind of gone so hyper liberal over recent years and gone kind of so woke middle class and, you know, radical progressive, as matt would call it, it has left a almost a big gap in the, in the on the political landscape. and trump speaks for he's a member of the elite. i mean, we know that, of course he's a billionaire. but the fact is he does speak for those people in terms of the rust belt in terms of those people who have seen massive deindustrialisation in their communities, they've seen

their communities, they've seen the offshoring of jobs and industries and so on, and when he speaks, they think, actually he speaks, they think, actually he speaks, they think, actually he speaks for me in a way that biden and the kind of middle class, progressive democrats no longer do speak for me in that respect. i think it was a similar thing to what was playing out here in 2019. in the years before that, in terms of the labour party losing the working class vote and then eventually, after millions of working class people abstain for several years, eventually flocked to the red wall, flocked to the tories in 2019. so there's a definite read across between those two situations. >> but isn't it also what we're seeing here again is an attempt to basically try and shut down these movements rather than actually address the reasons why people are voting for them. and the interesting thing about trump's speech for me was not only when he was talking about the court case and the perception of unfairness, it was also, you know, how he went on to basically go through a shopping list of issues. >> oh, you've tied me up. well, you tied me up. >> well, well, that biden and others basically won't talk about. and i think there are parallels to europe. >> well, we'll talk about it in a second, i've got to say, as a

woman, i always feel like because i'm a woman, i should somehow absolutely despise donald trump. but i've got to confess, i don't actually, i find it absolutely fascinating the desperate lengths that people are trying to go to make sure he doesn't get into office, but you must dislike the, you know, his history in terms of the way that he treats women. >> you know, when he was recorded, as we know what he said, you know, when you're a rich and famous like me, you can grab women by the whatever . rich and famous like me, you can grab women by the whatever. he's clearly got a clear he's clearly got an ingrained contempt for women. i'm not saying women shouldn't vote for him . shouldn't vote for him. >> i mean, the quote that you've decided to give, which is, you know, you can grab people, women by the bits, it's tea time. the fact of the matter is, you know, i would prefer people not to be spoken about in that way, don't get me wrong, but it is an absolute fact that when a man is rich, famous and powerful , there rich, famous and powerful, there are a collection of women that will do whatever it takes. let them do whatever they want in order to get their mitts on that fella's money. so to deny that

and then when someone's got the audacity to say out loud , i.e. audacity to say out loud, i.e. donald trump in that instance to then start going, oh my god, this is so offensive. but women rally around michelle. >> what he said be respectful to true. i think the higher you get in life in terms of your social status and your wealth, the more humble you should be and the more respectful you should be. so i don't doubt that what you say is true, but i don't necessarily think that he should respond to it in the way that he did. and i think that the contempt that was shown towards women, not just them, but on other occasions as well, marks him out for me as someone who's not a particularly nice person. well, it's not a nice person. i don't think there can be any doubt. >> i don't know him, so i don't know if he's a nice person or not, quite frankly. but i do think that when you see some of the stuff that's going on, like he was ranting about today about these, payments, whatever the, presence of ndas, which are pretty much absolutely everywhere, anyone that deals with anyone in a professional capacity, more often than not, ndas are involved in some process, some way, shape or form, issues that would normally be regarded as misdemeanours all of a sudden becoming felonies

because of the person that's done it, the length of the statute of limitations, the length of time that people took before they suddenly became interested in this, given the proximity to the next election i found absolutely fascinating. but as matthew goodwin just pointed out , there was another pointed out, there was another side to it all, ladies and gentlemen, because aside from just ranting about the, the legal situation , he really spoke legal situation, he really spoke about some fascinating things where he was talking. and i'm going to play the clip for you after the break. he was talking about uncontrolled immigration. he was talking about changes in demographics. he was talking about the safety of nations . about the safety of nations. when you essentially let many people in without checks and balances and without knowing who they are. he was referencing, migrants being put up in what he called luxurious hotels, while veterans sleep in tents on the streets. there's lots to unpick. don't go because we'll be to that after the

break. hello there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till seven alongside me. the professor of politics at university of kent , politics at university of kent, matt goodwin, and the trade unionist and broadcaster paul embery. welcome back everyone. we just spoke before the break about donald trump and his criminal now convictions. let's look at the other side of what he had to say this afternoon. watch and the daily mail just came out with a poll . came out with a poll. >> and it has trump up six points in the last 12 hours, 6.6 points in the last 12 hours, 6.6 points since this happened. who thought this could happen ? they thought this could happen? they raised with small money donors , raised with small money donors, meaning like $21, $42, $53, $38, a record $39 million in about a ten hour period. no. think they did . we're dealing with did. we're dealing with a corrupt government ,

did. we're dealing with a corrupt government, aren't we? have a corrupt country. our elections are corrupt . our elections are corrupt. our borders are open. our borders are going to be closed very soon. november 5th is going to be the most important day in the history of our country. but now record levels of terrorists, record levels of terrorists, record levels, the highest level we've ever seen of terrorists are pouring into our country. you have china with just in the last few months, 29,000 people came in and i looked at them on a line and they looked like perfect soldiers . they're almost perfect soldiers. they're almost all male from 19 to 25. it looks like a recruiting exercise . they like a recruiting exercise. they have beautiful tents. they have propane stoves . they have cell propane stoves. they have cell phones. propane stoves. they have cell phones . the best you can buy. i phones. the best you can buy. i said, what's going on? it looks like they're building an army right in our country now . now, right in our country now. now, i don't think that would happen right ? we're losing our country. right? we're losing our country. little things like our kids

can't have a little league game anymore because you have tents and you have migrants living on the fields. that's the least of it, people are taking over our luxury hotels as migrants, and yet our veterans , as our great yet our veterans, as our great veterans, are living on the streets like dogs. they're living on the streets , but living on the streets, but migrants are living in luxury hotels and cities all over our country, run by democrats. >> see that really did strike me, because many of the things i mean, i've done this job a while now, and many of the conversations that i have, messages i receive and all the rest of it, it echoes lots of the concerns that trump was just raising over in america. >> yeah, i mean that those concerns are why he entered the white house to begin with in 2016, when everybody within the elite elite laughed at him, lots of voters, millions of voters across western democracies want to talk about what's happening to talk about what's happening to their countries. they want to talk about broken borders. they

want to talk about the pace and scale of immigration. they want to talk about where is all of this going? where where are our countries going in the future? where are our shared values, our ways of life, our identity , the ways of life, our identity, the things that make we? are we right? where are they going ? how right? where are they going? how can we maintain this community while being battered by this pace of demographic change and look, if trump is re—elected in november, which to be honest, i think is more likely than not, it will be because the elite are not addressing those issues that he's talking about border security, the pace of change. nofice security, the pace of change. notice what he said. little league baseball fields being used now by migrants, luxury hotels being used by migrants. he's saying that you're not just losing money. this isn't just about the economy. it's not just about the economy. it's not just about gdp . you're losing your about gdp. you're losing your way of life. and that's existential . that's quite that's existential. that's quite that's a civilizational thing that i think people are latching on to. >> and what's at the root cause of it? well, right . of it? well, right. >> record levels of migration.

we've got a global demographic crisis . we've got record numbers crisis. we've got record numbers of people that are moving around. we've got left wing governments and presidents like biden, who have deliberately been loose on the border. we've got like here in europe , the eu got like here in europe, the eu being soft on, migration flows . being soft on, migration flows. >> and let's look at what nigel farage because nigel farage got himself in a bit of hot water at the weekend for comments that he made around a similar vein. listen, we have a growing number of young people in this country who do not subscribe to british values, in fact, loathe much of what we stand for. >> so what do you do? >> so what do you do? >> who are we talking about there? oh i think we see them on there? oh i think we see them on the streets of london every saturday. what do they look like? oh, we're talking about what do they look like? are we talking about muslims here? we are. >> well, also as well we've seen horrific scenes in germany today where we've had, someone setting up an event who's previously been critical, of what he was describing as the islamification of europe. we saw a stabbing

take place, multiple people injured. i mean, i've got to say, the images coming out there are absolutely shocking. it was all live streamed. joining me now is the director of the oxford islamic information centre, doctor sheikh ramzi. thanks for joining centre, doctor sheikh ramzi. thanks forjoining me and thank thanks for joining me and thank you for your patience , in you for your patience, in joining me tonight, when you heard, what nigel farage just had to say, then , about had to say, then, about basically the changing demographics we've just been talking about as well. and people say then the issue, is, islam ification, islamist muslims. some people will say how do you respond to that, before before i start, i would like to say, of course, i heard , like to say, of course, i heard, nigel farage what you say. and we talked about about it in a previous interview, but i would like to say first what is happening on the on the germany my heart and my prayer goes with the with the police and the five other people, which they were injured. i believe six people are injured, they did not deserve at all to be stabbed,

stopped . it is a it deserve at all to be stabbed, stopped. it is a it is a11 person, one beard man, one mad man. man non—muslim. listen, what i'm saying. one non—muslim, man. come and damaging the others ones is a democratic country . some can be far right, country. some can be far right, some can be far left, some can be middle. whatever. the people has to talk to each other. not taking the law in their hand and stabbing this man, this mad man, which i do not believe is a muslim damage the name of islam and damage the people , muslim and damage the people, muslim people which they are leaving there because people get agitated and they they see all as a with the one eye. but as that person done, he is a mad man. he is. hold on a second. >> let me just come in here because we don't actually know much about this person. this perpetrator yet. and what i always found fascinating is that people immediately start declaring the mental health side of things. there was a study

that was done in germany because obviously this incident took place in germany, and apparently it found that 67.8% of surveyed students believed that the quran is, i quote, more important than laws in germany. apparently, 45.6 of them think that islamic theocracy is the best form of government, and about a third of them say that they understand violence against people who inqu violence against people who insult allah. or one of the prophets know this is this is totally wrong. >> if you want to ask my opinion, of course many, many we have. we put the quran on on a very , very, very high, high, very, very, very high, high, high. high for, for our, our things. and of course , it's not things. and of course, it's not a we respect the most islam and the quran and we respect, for example, the muslim respect the quran and the muslim respect the law of the countries, which they have to, they live in their this is this is the saying of the holy quran, where you are or saying of the prophet where you

are, you have to respect it. respect. of course, they have a religion which the personal, personal thing for them or , they personal thing for them or, they can go follow. there is no problem. is it democratic countries? and of course they have a law, for example , uk or have a law, for example, uk or germany or democrat or all this man again i said is a mad man is a crazy, crazy . basically take a crazy, crazy. basically take the, take the law to his hand . the, take the law to his hand. and he didn't say, in the name of god. he didn't say it. he was just wanted damaging islam. anyone i am as a scholar, anyone who damaged the name of islam, i say, who damaged the name of islam and damaged the muslims of muslims face and muslim, you know , where they are. he is not know, where they are. he is not deserve to be a muslim. he goes out of the realm of islam. of course, we have a far right again sometime . and some time again sometime. and some time ago you are talking about the, we were talking about the nigel farage, which, even the trevor

phillips said you are, stepping out of the of what you have to say. just just take it . take it say. just just take it. take it easy. because these things happens. nigel farage i know him is a very respected person, very good man. but when you go in so far , a people, other people goes far, a people, other people goes against the muslim . and after against the muslim. and after that conflict come in, i say what we need to do, we need to work together, work together as a one community, as a one community, another as a muslim. and you are a christian, and i am that. i am that as a one whole community and come to the conclusion that we want to live together . like for example, we together. like for example, we call, i call here, muslim, of course, another muslim , we call course, another muslim, we call it a british family. indeed as a british family, not just i am a muslim pointing and a christian and a jews and all and all come in the difficulty to themselves. all come together .

all come together. >> i completely agree with you. hean >> i completely agree with you. hear, hear to that. thank you for your doctor. sheikh r , we'll pick up this

break. hello there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight alongside me, matt goodwin and paul embry remain. let's just pick up on that conversation. we were just having donald trump. in case you've just tuned in. donald trump, big speech today. one of the things he was picking up on was all the social issues . and was all the social issues. and to me, it feels like those issues seem to be replicated in so many different places. he's talking about them in america. we've had the situation with the stabbing in germany today, and many people feel the same concerns here in the uk. paul embry i think millions of voters are looking for politicians who are looking for politicians who are prepared to challenge the precepts of globalisation , the precepts of globalisation, the globalist status quo. >> if you like, both economic globalisation which has resulted in freedom, sorry, massive

movements of people and deindustrialisation and so on, and the social effects of that, you know, very dynamic globalisation as well. and i think that donald trump is one of those people, even though i disagree with him on, on much. but people are generally in the west, i think, looking for a more kind of rooted, communitarian kind of politics, and that isn't the sort of politics that is reflected in many progressive parties today. and i say that sadly , because and i say that sadly, because i'm a long time member of the labour party, and that's why i think so many of those parties across europe, across the west, generally have lost their their respective working class votes. so there's a lesson, but i don't think that many centre left parties have learned it, frankly. >> yeah. and like, you know , >> yeah. and like, you know, societies, communities, they are changing . they do look different changing. they do look different from what they used to, you know, whether you call it diversity, multiculturalism , whatever. >> i don't just think they look different though, michelle. i think many people now are beginning to feel like strangers in their own country. i think

there are lots of people who are looking, for example, here in britain, at the pace and scale of change and are beginning to wonder to what extent is britain the britain they know, the england they know, the towns and the communities they know recognisable. and you know, what worries me most about this country is we're doing two things simultaneously. we're firstly exposing people to a pace and scale of mass immigration that is unprecedented in our history, but also that no one's voted for by the way, nobody's voted for any of that. nobody's voted for. but we are also we are also doing that while not even trying to integrate communities and bnng to integrate communities and bring people together around a shared sense of who we are, partly because our elites don't really know how to talk about who we are anymore. so i'm very uncomfortable with the direction of travel, as are 80% of voters in this country. we tend to forget this. 80% of all seats in this country have majority support for lowering, not increasing, lowering migration . increasing, lowering migration. and if we have a labour

government, which, let's be honest, looks likely in the polls , i think we're just going polls, i think we're just going to see this population explosion be put on steroids. yeah, all of the deterrents for illegal migration will be removed. the illegal migration act and the rwanda act, and there will be no real serious impetus to lower legal migration. so what has just started, i think, is only going to accelerate , and that's going to accelerate, and that's going to accelerate, and that's going to accelerate, and that's going to make a lot of people feel nervous. yeah. >> and by the way, i say that it's not what people voted for. but it's not only that people didn't vote for it. people actively voted against it. let's not all forget brexit, for example, what the core tenants of many people's voting intention there was to control immigration. so you know, that's what i'm saying. we've had multiple votes because of then of course, you had your follow up vote for boris johnson as well. so not only have we not voted for uncontrolled immigration, we proactively voted against it multiple times oven voted against it multiple times over. but nobody seems to give a damn about it, do they? lots of you guys getting in touch on diane abbott. maggie says she should have stood as an independent, ian, again, you're divided. you say she shouldn't

have been allowed to stand at all. i can tell you now this word surprise you all. you're very divided on the donald trump situation. it's a disgrace. the verdict, says raymond . whereas verdict, says raymond. whereas other people, alan, for example, he says trump is systematically, corrupt , he doesn't he basically corrupt, he doesn't he basically wants to see the back of him. quite frankly. diana says, i agree, trump is not a nice person at all. he has an absolutely awful character. and we were talking about people posting turds through wannabe mps doors. it was wrong with you bill

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election special. over the next hour, i have got tory minister of state for enterprise, markets and small business. kevin hollinrake, labour shadow secretary of state for scotland ian murray and reform party candidate lee anderson. here in the studio with me, former conservative mp angela knight, former labour mp bill rammell and former lib dem mp norman baker. five weeks today we will know who the government is. keir starmer stands accused of caving in to the far left over aba reforms. new immigration tax is it completely insane? the tories are lagging behind? will rishi finally be radical? it's all to play finally be radical? it's all to play for and we're doing the absolute lot of it. after your . news. >> well, the top story from the gb news room is that donald trump says he's going to appeal his conviction for falsifying business records, claiming the trial was very unfair and rigged. he said, by the biden

administration, he was