history? our opinion polls are scam. will the outcome of the election be decided in a tv studio? and has a democrat supporting us court just made donald trump president again ? donald trump president again? should donald trump already buy new curtains for the white house? presumably wide red curtains like that tie of his well, to fight out over those topics and many more. tonight, my friday, a team . the wisest my friday, a team. the wisest young person in britain. maybe the only wise person that's youngin the only wise person that's young in britain, political commentator reem ibrahim ex bbc local radio star. he was lucky to get out alex dyke and world renowned business guru. the dnnks renowned business guru. the drinks are on him. roger gould okay, my friday feeling monologue is on the way. my

first round up of the election campaign, as i see it. but first, the news headlines and a very welcome addition to friday night polly middlehurst. >> mark, thanks very much indeed. and good evening to you. well, the top story from the gb newsroom tonight is from the united states. donald trump saying he'll appeal his conviction for falsifying business records, claiming the trial he's just been through was very unfair. and he added, figged very unfair. and he added, rigged by the biden administration , he was found administration, he was found guilty last night in the manhattan courtroom. of all 34 counts against him, however, it doesn't appear to have deterred his supporters, including here in the uk. nigel farage, the reform honorary president who says donations to the republican campaign have gone up as a result. well, in a speech at trump tower this afternoon, broadcast live here on gb news, donald trump described his

conviction as a scam verdict. >> i'm doing something for this country and i'm doing something for our constitution. it's very important , far beyond me. and important, far beyond me. and this can't be allowed to happen to other presidents. it should never be allowed to happen in the future. but this is far beyond me . this is bigger than beyond me. this is bigger than trump. this is bigger than me. this is bigger than my presidency. >> well, donald trump also called joe biden the dumbest ever us president . called joe biden the dumbest ever us president. but speaking in the last hour or so, joe biden's hit back, saying trump and his confused, desperate and defeated statement is proof he can't be president of the united states . states. >> it's reckless. it's dangerous , and it's irresponsible for anyone to say this was rigged just because they don't like the verdict . our justice system has verdict. ourjustice system has endured for nearly 250 years, and it literally is the cornerstone of america . cornerstone of america. >> joe biden well, back here in the uk, rishi sunak has declined

to say if he'd be prepared to work with donald trump if he's re—elected and re—elected to as us president in november. he says donald trump's trial isn't his focus right now. >> of course, i respect the justice system of the united states, but it's not my place to comment on a live judicial process, which i would also not do in our own. it's also not subject to conclusion. you don't know if someone's going to appeal or not, and i wouldn't also comment on judicial processes while they're ongoing in our own country , because in our own country, because there's a separation between politicians and judicial systems , and we should let judicial systems do what they need to do independently of politics. >> rishi sunak speaking earlier now , bit of sports news for you now, bit of sports news for you and hopes of british tennis success at the french open have endedin success at the french open have ended in yet more disappointment. this time in the doubles. we've heard in the last hour or so that andy murray, dan evans along with the pairing of katie boulter and heather watson have all gone out in the first round. all six britons also failing in the opening stage of

the singles at roland—garros in paris. but happier news at a zoo in chester. they're celebrating after seeing the highest number of endangered baby penguins to hatch in a decade . if you're hatch in a decade. if you're watching on tv, take a look at these cuties. they're ii humboldt penguin chicks hatched at chester zoo in mid—april. experts are saying that the species was the most at risk of the 17 penguin species we know about. they say due to climate change and overfishing. and guess what? they're naming this year's chicks after plants. so you're looking at little nettle, thistle, dandelion , tulip and thistle, dandelion, tulip and daffodil, all among the confirmed names so far. that's the news for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts. scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. common herts . to gb news. common herts. >> well, the election countdown has begun , but is it just me or

has begun, but is it just me or doesit has begun, but is it just me or does it feel less like a race and more like a crawl? rishi sunak and sir keir starmer are battling it out over who will raise taxes. they both say that they will not. in that case, what will they do? the snp's john swinney , who's been in post john swinney, who's been in post for all of ii john swinney, who's been in post for all of 11 minutes, is selling the advantages of scottish independence whilst still getting used to his new job and working out where the staplers are kept. the greens are saying that they will clean up the planet, but will their candidates resort to having a bath ever and reform uk are hoping to do as much damage to the tories as to labour. but can they do it without nigel farage actively running in a seat? the only noticeable photo opportunities have come from lib dem leader sir ed davey, as he proposes what he calls a fairer economy . davey himself looks economy. davey himself looks like he's won some kind of kids

competition paddleboarding in a lake , riding a wobbly bicycle lake, riding a wobbly bicycle and careering down a water slide if things don't work out for him. in july , i'm a celebrity him. in july, i'm a celebrity beckons. but whilst there's been some drama, the tories suffering embarrassing defections and a deficit in the polls and labour divided on how to treat diane abbott, the latest is now she can run. it doesn't really feel like a campaign that's got anyone's pulse racing . in fact, anyone's pulse racing. in fact, news of donald trump's guilty verdict in the united states is by far the most exciting news story of the week. so to spice up the election, a bit, why don't we invite donald trump to skip the us elections and run for office here? love him or loathe him, donald trump would at least turn our politics from grey to orange. god knows what would happen to the country . i would happen to the country. i guess we would have more golf courses, but it would be entertaining, at least unlike this election so far.

entertaining, at least unlike this election so far . at some this election so far. at some point the voters need to be stimulated , inspired, educated stimulated, inspired, educated and engaged because with the euros, wimbledon and summer barbecues, there's every danger that july the 4th will happen and no one will notice. they've barely noticed so far. reacting to the big stories of the day and my friday feeling monologue is my friday team. the wisest young person in britain may be the only one. political commentator reem ibrahim, bbc local radio legend, but now he's free from the clutches of the corporation. alex dyke and world renowned business guru. the man is made of money, let me tell you. roger gewolb great to see all three of you, alex dyke. is this the most boring election ever? >> yes, yes , yes, you're an >> yes, yes, yes, you're an entertainer. >> i mean, you played music on the radio when you were on the bbc. yeah but these tunes are very tired, aren't they? >> they are. they're the same worn out old 40 fives we're heanng worn out old 40 fives we're hearing again and again. there's no excitement, there's no

pizzazz. but these politicians are damned if they do. they're damned if they don't. if they try and roll up their shirt sleeves and look cool. do you remember when bill clinton got the saxophone out? oh, yeah. that was that was cool, wasn't it? yeah. >> that's it. i remember when he got something else out as well. i mean, this guy is compelling. well, let's be honest. >> if you believe the rumours. look, i think i completely agree. i think it's incredibly boring. but what's really interesting is the policy announcements that we have heard effectively attempting to peddle the same sorts of lines. so again, we saw with rishi sunak with the not triple or quadruple lock now on pensions, triple lock now on pensions, triple lock plus triple lock, which sounds like a plan you'd have for your mobile phone, doesn't it? it does. it sounds like something you'd have on your samsung, not on an iphone though. it's slightly, slightly less cool. but what's really interesting about it is that effectively, they're peddling the same sorts of policies in order to try and appease a very specific voter demographic, which are older pensioners that tend to vote conservative. and then you've got the most interesting thing happening being ed davey unable to actually paddle into a boat.

>> i think it was really funny, as the only time the lib dems are ever listened to is when ed davey does something silly. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> most definitely. i mean, at least he's making a few headlines. that's the problem, rogen headlines. that's the problem, roger. i'm concerned that the pubuc roger. i'm concerned that the public are not being engaged in this election. so far. i think they've tuned out. >> how could they be? i mean, we've had to listen to these two empty vessels for long enough. and now it's like watching two dice and heaters turned on, facing each other in the same room. i dread it, thank god we only have 40 some days to put up with this. >> well, definitely. >> well, definitely. >> i mean, this is very, very short by us comparisons, isn't it? i mean, american presidential elections can run for what, the best part of a year? >> yeah, well, he did it because a so many theories. he wants to get his kids into school in california before september when the deadline is b. i should i should add, he's denied that. >> and he said he'll stay in the uk if he wins. >> okay, fine. >> okay, fine. >> but what's b. >> but what's b. >> oh no. well that's the point. you know, if he loses he wants them in school. so that's why he

had to be the strategy is let me find out now so i can fill out the school application number two. right. wrong footed nigel. big time. nigel admitted it. it was very clever. no way could nigel mount a campaign in six weeks. so he's taken the power away from nigel, which i think nigel was really looking forward to. and to some extent, as you indicate, hurt reform's chances of damaging them as much as they could , a number of other could, a number of other reasons, too, but it's still so boring. >> but why can't nigel farage rustle up a campaign in the 11th hour? ream the nominations haven't closed yet. >> the nominations haven't closed yet. i mean, the conservative party haven't even finished selecting all of their candidates. no, neither of the labour party, to be fair either. i think what's interesting is that nigel is absolutely a threat to the conservative party. and i think that and i do really like richard tice as a person, but i think he hasn't got the same level of charisma as nigel, and he's also just, well, less well known. he's been in the job for less time. >> but everybody knows what nigel stands for. we all know what to expect from nigel

farage. so i think he could do it. >> nigel could definitely do it. i mean, you've got to question him. why? he felt he couldn't do it in six weeks. >> well, in the absence of nigel farage is the era of big personality politicians over these big beasts of the jungle. well, because if you some people consider our politics to be quite presidential these days, if it's sunak versus starmer, in a sense, don't they cancel each other out? neither particularly charismatic. alex. >> well, exactly . and this is >> well, exactly. and this is what is happening in britain and probably all around the world, maybe not so much in the united states, but colourful characters seem to be disappearing from radio and tv. apart from a few like your good self and from politics, because it's all someone's painting us all over in magnolia and it's boring. but you know, i wouldn't care if they weren't the most charismatic politicians, if they actually implemented good policies. >> i think the problem is that we have lack of charisma. at least with boris johnson, for example, we had lots of charisma. you know, he got the conservative party an 80 seat

majority. and in my view, most of his policies were pretty awful. we had the highest tax burden, still have the highest tax burden since the second world war. he implemented a lot of the sort of woke policies in terms of the environmentalism , terms of the environmentalism, the extension of net zero. a lot of that came from the conservative party >> he was the prime minister dunng >> he was the prime minister during lockdowns and indeed, how could i forget the covid lockdowns, which were, by the way, proven to not have been as effective as they could have been? >> sweden, for example, didn't lock down, and the mortality rates between sweden and the uk were about 3.2% difference. >> so in sweden's favour , in >> so in sweden's favour, in sweden's favour. >> so indeed. so we actually again there's a 3.2% difference in mortality rates between a country that locked down like the uk did, and a country that didn't at all. i think that's really interesting just from a freedom perspective, you mentioned earlier about why the election was called on wednesday. i have my own prediction. on wednesday morning, we saw not only inflation statistics come out by the ons, but also public sector borrowing . and it showed that we borrowing. and it showed that we have the fourth highest public sector debt , at the moment that

sector debt, at the moment that we have since records began, i think rishi sunak saw that and thought, hold on, i can't give any election pre—election tax cuts. we've just got to get it done now because things are just going to get worse. >> well, is there a sense people talk don't they, roger, about the uni party, that there's not much difference between labour and the conservatives? do you think that's true? and do you think that's true? and do you think the financial situation of the country will predetermine that there won't be a particular change? whoever gets in because there's no money to spend, well , there's no money to spend, well, two points there. the first point is you've got two leaders who band with the wind. so of course things change and, you know, it's blancmange. there's nothing really very solid with either of them, secondly, no, reme, we're not running out of money. that's a fabrication. >> we absolutely are. the government are they? keep taking our money. if i can finish bates motel . motel. >> hunt loves to keep saying this, as does rishi, i think richard , by the way, i think the richard, by the way, i think the character of, of bates in psycho is not nearly as scary as jeremy hunt. >> i think that's very it's very

insulting. >> i've been calling. i've had three favourite people, the bailey, osiris, because he's so thick skinned he won't listen to anybody. >> andrew bailey. >> andrew bailey. >> andrew bailey bailey, governor of the bank of england, and rishi rich or fishy rishi. >> now, i think, by the way, for political balance, we're going to need to give keir starmer a nickname as well. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> coming up with hasn't that already been done the night panorama starmer. >> well there you go. that might do. >> it is neither night with no fight. >> well that will do as well. that's very elegant. >> that's very poetic. do the debate richard tice i think has got it right for reform, £50 billion that we pay ourselves from the left pocket to the right pocket is phoney. >> it's fake. it's interest. we pay >> it's fake. it's interest. we pay on the quantitative easing printed money that we needn't pay- printed money that we needn't pay. switzerland doesn't do it. the european central bank doesn't do it. lots of countries don't do it. we do it as a convenience. so those three musketeers can claim we're broke and it causes inflation. >> you're absolutely right. i mean, money printing. no, no inflation. >> we're not out of money because we've got 50 billion, which on its own would pay for

moving, which is, i think, reform's point , from £12,570 to reform's point, from £12,570 to £20,000. but this is the threshold where money printing all the pensioners and poor earners. and instead what did fishy rishi do? he gave the pensioners £100. >> oh no, i completely disagree . >> oh no, i completely disagree. i think, i think that the policy was far too generous. i think we're far too generous to pensioners in this country. we currently are allowing them to have the triple lock and indeed the quadruple lock. if you include the triple lock plus, which is effectively a tax cut for pensioners and no one else gives them pennies. yeah, but but this is the point change your mind. >> you get older a quarter a quarter of the hard all their lives they've saved, they've paid their taxes. >> they've paid. >> they've paid. >> that's fine. a quarter of them are millionaires. young people can't afford housing and we can't a quarter of them. >> a quarter of pensioners are millionaires and a quarter of pensioners are extremely poor. >> and indeed, so then it's protect those people. why millionaires get gaining benefits. let's call pensions what they are benefits. >> okay. interesting alex a couple of words. they've been very glowing about reform uk,

but reform uk will fall away in the course of this campaign in the course of this campaign in the absence of nigel farage. won't they. >> may i just say one thing because i really please do. >> i'm not going to get a word in out of order for roger gewolb intolerable. roger's not happy. >> pensioners are not on benefits. pensioners as our master host has said , don't get master host has said, don't get carried away. people on benefits haven't paid anything in. can't you see the difference? >> well, that's that's not true. people on benefits have have paid in. but the point. no. >> but for 40 years they worked and paid in. that's fine. somebody gets off a small boat currently and gets benefits. >> are you a heartless young person that doesn't care about pensioners who have paid into the system? absolutely not. >> see, this is the thing now. now all the pensioners are going to hate me. i think that i think pensioners have been lied to. they could have got so much more money if that money was invested in the national insurance that they paid their entire lives, if that was invested in private pensions or indeed in a stocks and shares isa, that would have actually meant that they had so much more. no, i'm saying, i'm saying pensioners let her read

and speak. >> she's our future. >> she's our future. >> pensioners have been lied to. young people have been lied to , young people have been lied to, pensioners have got a raw under the deal and indeed young people have as well pension. there's this idea that you pay national insurance and it goes into a little pot and then when you turn 65, you then take out of that pot is just not true. pensions today are being paid for by young people today. >> okay, alex, very briefly, i wonder if support for reform uk will fall away in the weeks ahead because the british public, they don't like the idea of a wasted vote. and it's unlikely that reform can win a single seat at the election. and therefore they'll either go back to the tories or support sir keir starmer. >> what do you think farage was there? he would get the votes. yes, he would get the votes. but if he's not, people, you're absolutely going to say, well, i'm going to vote for one of the other parties because it will be a wasted vote. >> i think people see voting for reform as a protest vote for the conservative party >> but the people protest in elections. yes. general elections. yes. general elections. don't they protest in by elections and mayoral elections and local? >> you are right.

>> you are right. >> it's less likely. but the fact that the conservative party have gone so far to the left, i think people will say, though, that the danger in a dull election with dull mps is that people, particularly younger people, particularly younger people, just won't bother to vote yes. >> so apathy is our real enemy, a hung parliament and it's not going to be a well hung parliament. >> excuse me? because none of these speak for yourself, roger. none of these people have. you know what? >> i've heard the stories. haven't seen you in a swimsuit . haven't seen you in a swimsuit. listen, folks, lots more to come. as a leading candidate pulls out of the election race for being rude about his constituency. do you have to like the town and area that you represent? plus, our opinion polls are scam. we'll debate that next

all eyes are on those polling numbers for the main parties. but can we believe them when

they've been wrong so often in they've been wrong so often in the past, particularly given the disparity from different outlets that we're currently seeing for example, whilst labour are ahead in all of the polls currently. this week, jl partners had labour just 12 points ahead this week, jl partners had labourjust 12 points ahead of labour just 12 points ahead of the tories, whilst a yougov poll for sky news shows a gap of 27. are people really honest? when asked about their voting intentions, and will the polls get it wrong yet again? roger gewolb i think polls are, you know, very, very difficult to use effectively. >> i look at the british bookies more than polls because they've beenin more than polls because they've been in business for a very long. we have the best bookies in the world and they've been in business a long time and, they wouldn't be here if they didn't get it right. the house never loses, the house never loses, and their odds favour trump and have done, he's actually odds on at the moment and has been for some time . so yeah, polls can be some time. so yeah, polls can be

manipulated . i think even our manipulated. i think even our best polls can be wrong as you've said, and a poll of polls, if you ever look at those, is kind of fun. but i think it turns out i don't believe them. >> i never believe the polls . >> i never believe the polls. and i think they're a good indicator. >> i think it turns into an ad mixture of nonsense when you blend so many together. >> and also, i think people are less likely to be honest about where they're voting if they're voting on the right. i think if somebody says that they are voting conservative or indeed voting conservative or indeed voting for reform, they're much less likely to be confident about that. and actually, i think that the pollsters tend to not pick that up. i mean, i especially especially if you're young, you are absolutely ostracised for being on the right. and so i think it's you're much less likely young card a lot, don't you think? >> well, she doesn't, and rightly so. >> but here's the thing, alex dyke, you have to wonder whether the public will be honest about perhaps supporting the conservatives or reform if they're being interviewed by a young, woke graduate in a hoodie. >> yeah, i think you're

absolutely i think you're absolutely i think you're absolutely right. and how many people are actually surveyed, isn't it, for all of britain? isn't it only just about over a thousand people? >> it varies. yes. it can be up to 10,000. they do vary, many would say you don't look at the poll in isolation, but you look at the pattern of the polls and the pattern is still very much supporting labour. but we've had upsets in the past, haven't we, alex? i mean, i don't remember the polls predicting that brexit would happen, for example. >> no, they did. >> no, they did. >> you go i think i think the tories are going to i think they're going to pull through and you can replay the win. >> i beg your pardon. you think they're going to get a majority. >> it's very possible. >> it's very possible. >> alex, did you know that this show has a no alcohol rule? >> are you sorry, alex? that is absolutely delusional. >> what have you been drinking? >> what have you been drinking? >> extremely possible. labour is doing everything they to can help rishi win, they still won't announce anything solid. you can get your teeth into. that's worth anything to anybody. they seem to not have the sense to seem to not have the sense to see that rachel reeves is another dyson heater, as far as

i'm concerned. >> hot air. >> hot air. >> yeah, and no bag and. yeah. and the point is that we're making it up as we go along as we are. >> right. >> right. >> form and galloway could split their vote, it's certainly a possibility. >> labour made plenty of announcements. >> they've said 6000 teachers paid for by the vat hike on private schools. >> they have , but they're not >> they have, but they're not going to put taxes up. >> i think what richard's right. >> i think what richard's right. >> labour have been very detailed. >> not what people care about, not money in my pocket. >> and but they have said that they're not going to raise taxes. rachel reeves was on the front page of the daily mail on saturday saying that she wants to have thatcher style sound money. i mean, the idea that the labour party haven't announced anything is completely for the birds. and the idea that the conservatives could pull through is absolutely delusional. i'm sorry, but the polls are clear. >> but also, okay. we can bet on it. let's bet on it. >> i'll bet you i'll bet you two pints. >> politicians think that we are so stupid that they don't think

that we've noticed jeremy bates, bates motel's 25 or so stealth taxes. do you think you know what a stealth tax is? you move the goal post and say, hey, i haven't raised taxes. i mean, he's done it to bring us to have income tax, income tax thresholds frozen . thresholds frozen. >> let me finish. >> let me finish. >> do you think labour won't do that on steroids ? of course they will. >> if labour has said that it's certainly not going to put up income tax or national insurance or vat, but go on to raise it. >> but we have had frozen income tax thresholds for many years, which some people consider a bit of a sort of stealth tax. they are stealth taxes, effectively it's fiscal drag. it means people are dragged into high tax brackets. we have some of the highest taxes since the second world war. and actually the fact of the matter is, the reason why people and businesses are not investing in this country is because of how high our taxes are, but also how complex the tax system is. people talk about the tax burden, about how high that tax is. actually, a lot of it is also to do with the

complexity of the tax system. we have so many. i mean, astrazeneca is an example of a company that left dublin, by the way. sorry, the ireland have a corporation tax rate of 12.5. that's half us. the idea that people are not going to go and move over there. and astrazeneca is an example of a business that did we want the uk to be competitive and we want the uk to actually have lower taxes and encourage investment. the idea that the conservatives have done that the conservatives have done that is, is absolutely delusional, and the idea that they would win is, again, absolutely right. >> so you think labour landslide. but alex, what makes you think that the tories could win the election. because you're certainly out on a limb there. yeah i know i'm out and you're about to lose £50. this is an official bet on national tv. >> £50. what do you want to do? >> £50. what do you want to do? >> i want two pints. >> i want two pints. >> okay, well you're in london, so that is about £50. >> that's true. yeah, i've just got my betting. >> £50. >> £50. >> you're taking advantage of young people. >> i see. and the problem with rogen >> i see. and the problem with roger, he can afford it. roger likes a lot. >> yeah. you're all millionaires because we got. >> because we took their money. okay. >> all right, look, there are two pints. >> roger likes a large gin and

tonic, which is even more expensive. absolutely, slimline. okay, alex. alex, give us your reasons why the tories are going to win. i just think they're a safer bet. >> i don't think people trust that, keir starmer. i'm not saying i think what a lot of us forget about rishi is when we were all summoned to our televisions at 5:00 tea time throughout covid and boris was there addressing the nation right next to him was rishi. and i think at that point most of us who were just hanging on to every word they said would have thought, that is a great prime minister. >> excuse me. the day that rishi put the knife into boris's back and liz and liz, apocalypse now , and liz and liz, apocalypse now, step forward. apocalypse now in her future partner, comic kwasi kwarteng steps forward. michael, this is good. and. and i saw liz and rishi on that day. alex, i said to everybody around me, there is no way these two people are prime ministerial. it will

never work . never work. >> okay, well, listen, roger rabbit, that's enough from you for now because the lbc radio presenter iain dale has abandoned his bid to run as the conservative mp for tunbridge wells after saying on a podcast two years ago he never liked the town and would quite happily live somewhere else. it's thought he withdrew his candidacy to be the conservative prospective parliamentary candidate , fearing that the candidate, fearing that the other parties would mock him for his comments about the constituency, which he says were taken out of context . but do you taken out of context. but do you have to like the area you represent? what do you think, alex? does it matter? >> he's a talk. he's a talk show host and a very good one, isn't he? he's a very good one. talk show host sometimes say things either in podcasts or live on air to grab a headline or to get air to grab a headline or to get a reaction. and he might have been joking and he might have been joking and he might have been joking, but isn't this an ideal situation for him to say? do you know what? actually, i've lived there for? i believe his partner loves. yeah, tunbridge wells and he lives there because

of his partner. but isn't this an ideal opportunity for him, mark, to say , actually, yeah, mark, to say, actually, yeah, there are things wrong with it. it's a bit of a dump. it's got a drug problem, but i'm going to do it up. yeah, i'm going to say it better. he could have done that rather than falling on his sword after about 7 or 8 hours. and yeah, i'm going to lobby to get a tkmaxx and a flagship next. well, there you go. but why would costa coffee, costco, ho. 110. >> no. >> costco? >> costco? >> costco? >> costco a really good gig. >> costco a really good gig. >> lbc we're i'd imagine the money's pretty good. yeah. for this. it just seems i might not even. >> my question is, why would you try and sound for the conservative party? i mean, my god, the fact of the matter is, the party have entirely lost its ideological direction. you know, again, the idea that the conservative party is any kind of principles is absolutely ludicrous. and then you've got somebody like ian del with so much principle , in my view, then much principle, in my view, then standing in election and then actually giving up entirely . actually giving up entirely. >> well, well, aren't the conservative party the most successful party in the history of european democracy? >> they are successful. >> they are successful. >> why do they keep winning elections ?

elections? >> and as alex predicts, they might win again. >> they are absolutely not going to win this year. i think that's crazy. i also think what's interesting about this is so i actually think the most interesting part of this year is not the election, because i think everyone knows, except for alex, that the labour party are going to win. the most interesting part of this year will be the leadership election that follows rishi sunak will resign, and the battle for the heart and soul of the conservative party will will occur. and that, to me is the most interesting part of this yeah >> yeah > rogeh yeah >> rogeh does yeah >> roger, does nigel farage attempt to enter the conservative party? if they were to lose on july the 4th? >> it's a possibility. it's a possibility, very definitely. but i think that really i'm not included in everybody except alex because i think that they do have a chance. and as i said earlier, i think labour is giving them a chance just by so many faux pas, just by by so many faux pas, just by by so many slip ups. but coming back to iain dale, i've been i enjoy being on his program and he's just someone who speaks his mind, you know, he's straight up and honest and i think that, could this be a publicity stunt

for lbc? i don't he doesn't strike me as that type. >> he's too straight. >> he's too straight. >> they're all that type, rogeh >> they're all that type, rogeh >> but the question is, should alex dyke replace iain dale on lbc? absolutely, i think so. and watch those ratings go through the roof because you still do loads of radio, don't you. >> i haven't done it since october, but, but you've got haven't you got some irons in the fire. well, i'm involved with a new channel on sky called rewind tv. that's what i'm doing. there you go. but i would like to. i'd like to get back into doing some radio. >> well, i think you should be, because you are a bbc radio legend, ian, let me tell you, ian dale, watch your back, because alex dyke is coming for you, but first he's got work to do because as a democrat supporting us courts just made donald trump the president. we'll debate that

next. welcome back to the show. a manhattan jury has convicted donald trump on all 34 counts of falsifying business records in his hush money case. so is this a triumph for his opponents, or doesit a triumph for his opponents, or does it guarantee him victory in november? and would a trump win be good for britain? well, let's have a listen to donald trump reacting to the news of this verdict . verdict. >> it was very unfair. we weren't allowed to allowed to use our election expert under any circumstances , you saw what any circumstances, you saw what happened to some of the witnesses that were on our side. they were literally crucified by this man who looks like an angel this man who looks like an angel. but he's really a devil . angel. but he's really a devil. >> well, pretty demonstrative language, as always . but is this language, as always. but is this a political win for donald trump? one of my friday friends.

my trump? one of my friday friends. my friday a—team is roger gewolb. who knows donald trump well , you've gewolb. who knows donald trump well, you've dined gewolb. who knows donald trump well , you've dined together. well, you've dined together. would you call him a friend? >> no , not that well. i've met >> no, not that well. i've met him a few times and spoken with him a few times and spoken with him and dined, you know, in his presence at an event. yeah. and tell me, first of all, what is your appraisal of his body language at that press conference? >> how does he look? does he seem combative to you, or is this a defeated man? >> oh my god, no, a friend of mine , well, i suppose i mine, well, i suppose i shouldn't say, but is about to write a book about his extraordinary capability to withstand this sort of stuff. i mean, this is a fit up. this is this is this is so obvious. it's caused . you know, the election caused. you know, the election here is boring as heck, but in america, it's very exciting because things are more polarised now than ever between the two sides. and it's becoming more and more obvious. trump will have they say, $1 billion in his campaign fund in a month. as a result of this, it's

becoming more and more obvious how the money powers behind joe obama, biden and the other democrat s have fitted trump up and doing everything they can let me just give you one example. e jean carroll the his rape accuser, a dreadful person who accused him of sexual assault and defamation and has a judgement which trump has appealed for $88 million against him from a new york court. first of all, she did win her civil case against trump for this allegation of sexual assault. it's a civil case. she won the case, but she won it in manhattan from a new york jury. i mean, brits don't know every big city in america . the state big city in america. the state governor and the city mayor is going to be a left wing democrat. it's been that way for years , they wanted to change the years, they wanted to change the venue. they wouldn't give it to him. but the point about this very quickly is the adult survival act was passed exactly

two years ago. and what it says is if you were raped or sexually abused 50 years ago and you just come forward now, you're barred as you are here by the statute of limitations. well all we're going to let you file your suit. now, if you file it in the next 12 months, and everybody knows the new york state enacted that piece of legislation just to allow her to sue trump. and if you look through all the different lawsuits and everything else , you'll see everything else, you'll see examples of this sort of fixing and rigging . and i, as an and rigging. and i, as an american lawyer , whether you're american lawyer, whether you're pro trump, anti—trump, democratic , republican, i am democratic, republican, i am repulsed that they have hijacked politicians, my legal system to use as what they're now calling lawfare, as in warfare, it's political and effectively it's undemocratic. >> i mean , i am undemocratic. >>imean,|am|amno undemocratic. >> i mean , i am i am no fan of >> i mean, i am i am no fan of trump. i think he is a populist. i think he's authoritarian. i care about economics, and he's

incredibly protectionis . but he incredibly protectionis. but he doesn't want to open up the us to free trade. and that is what i care about the most. but actually, i think that trump himself, the fact that he has been so demonised and so targeted by the legal system, by the judiciary and actually by the judiciary and actually by the system as a whole, it's almost as though everybody is out to get him. the fact that that the electoral system effectively means that he is pegged effectively means that he is pegged against him, i think is undemocratic. and it's disgraceful. this is happening in the leader of the free world. >> so do you think, alex, that this is a pr coup for donald trump? will this sort of make him a martyr and help him win in november? >> i do, and there's a couple of things that roger said in the break and you, you, you put to rogeh break and you, you, you put to roger. one is i said to roger, rogeh one is i said to roger, what's he like when you're in his company? yeah. he said, he's fantastic. see, i don't see trump as being kind, warm and likeable, but i have met other people like roger who've been in his company, and they say he is . his company, and they say he is. but when you watch that news

footage and we will see it again and again and again at the top of every hour on gb news tonight, watch his body language. mark, you mentioned body language. he's doing this all the time. he's kindly, very accepting and bringing you in. and earlier today he was talking to the directly to the american citizens about, the, the people who have been fighting the veterans who have been fighting, and they were living on the streets and the immigrants were living in luxury hotels. he was talking directly to the voters. >> the thing about him is he's not a politician. what you see is what you get, okay? and he's very genuine. he's charming. >> he's not genuine humour. >> he's not genuine humour. >> he's not genuine humour. >> he's very genuine. >> he's very genuine. >> he's very genuine. >> he's been he's been he's been caught lying multiple times throughout his life. >> and of course, many, many consider him, roger, a threat to democracy by not accepting the result of the last presidential election . election. >> if you see what's going on now and what they have managed to do in a manhattan court of

law with judges that are allegedly not fair , and i see no allegedly not fair, and i see no reason they can't both those things be true. >> can't . >> can't. >> can't. >> please let me finish. if you see what he's doing now, i can. i'm not saying that the last election was rigged, but i can believe it could have been, very, very easily. there are dirty tricks all over the place that we don't get reported in the news here, but you certainly see things in america that are very suspicious. >> rebe calm both of those things be true. can't it be true that trump is unfairly treated by the legal system, by the judiciary? and also trump is not great. he's not honest. he's actually being targeted himself , actually being targeted himself, and he himself is a threat to democracy by effectively saying that the last election was rigged. can't both of those things be true ? can we be things be true? can we be nuance? >> try to answer that, you don't get to be a billionaire or a reality tv for star decades as he is, or a gb news presenter, or a gb news without without breaking a few eggs. and when i interviewed nigel farage about

why we have such bad leaders in the rest in the west, he gave a very good answer, he said, because we used to have people like eisenhower and trump and president truman who had accomplished something in the world and want to put something back. however they accomplished it, a few dirty tricks or whatever, they had to do fine. but they want to put something. right now we have oxbridge people, obe, you know, career politicians and that's all they worry about is their job. that's why we've got this situation that they do. so it is possible to be both. but i promise you, if you met donald trump and spent 15 minutes with him, you would come away charmed. >> i'm sure. i'm sure i'd like him. and i was charmed every time i met borisjohnson. but time i met boris johnson. but that doesn't matter. i think their policy initiatives are bad, and i think that they're being dishonest. i think trump and boris johnson both are in that category. >> yes. i mean, don't you think donald, donald, donald trump's got a history of not paying contractors in his building projects and a history of, of lying and, and skulduggery , lying and, and skulduggery, treating women very badly,

sexist language. >> joseph kennedy was put in charge of the securities and exchange commission to stop securities fraud and such in america, which was reaching unparalleled heights because he was the greatest before after. he was a whisky bootlegger illegally during prohibition , illegally during prohibition, working with the mafia. apparently, he then became the largest stock manipulator in america. and you needed a cook , america. and you needed a cook, a crook to catch a crook, right? >> okay, well, there you go, alex. >> well, i was just going to say they say that likeability is 60% of getting a job or winning a friend or being a success in business. yes. if donald trump could bottle that and hang on to some of that, he would just most easily. >> we're just talking about personalities. i'm sure he's very likeable if you meet him, but important but his but your but important but his but your but that's not going to make the american people feel better. that's not going to make them economically better. >> that's not going to make them substantially better. right >> he's not going to win by making the people feel he's remember he's a tv star for 30

years. he's playing to the demographics of the people he's talking to. >> you can't charm your way out of an economic crisis. >> okay. >> okay. >> does he win in november? >> does he win in november? >> i think so, yes, alex. >> i think so, yes, alex. >> definitely. roger >> definitely. roger >> beyond doubt. >> beyond doubt. >> well, could he be in jail ? >> well, could he be in jail? would that stop him winning? >> okay. legally would. >> okay. legally would. >> first of all, briefly, if you can, he will appeal whatever he. >> and that keeps him out of jail. >> he will appeal whatever he's convicted of. it'll probably go beyond november. but if they are able to manipulate things fraudulently to the extent where they can put him in jail, he can serve as a president and pardon himself in two minutes. turn around, abolish or increase the statute of limitations. as he said in an interview, which which was published today for biden, obama, hillary clinton and the rest and put them all in jail and all the judges and drain the swamp. all right. that's what he'll do. >> well, let me tell you that donald trump will be the topic

of my take at ten tomorrow evening. mark dolan tonight, nine till 11 tomorrow and sunday. but next up with the first leaders debate coming on tuesday. will the outcome of the election be decided in a tv studio ? and is the office suit studio? and is the office suit dead? see you in two.

now a general election debate featuring the main seven party leaders will take place on thursday, june the 13th on itv leader us or senior representatives from the conservative party, labour, lib dems, snp, reform, uk, green party and plied comrie will all take part. but strap yourselves in because this tuesday at 9 pm, itv will host the first p.m, itv will host the first head to head election debate between sir keir starmer and rishi sunak. so will this election won be or lost in a tv studio? alex dyke i don't, i

don't think so. >> i don't think in this, in this actual situation coming out next week, it's going to make much difference because i just don't think either, either of these guys is dynamic . these guys is dynamic. >> isn't that the moment, though, when either of the men do not have control of the narrative, that you've got questions from the audience, you've got an adjudicator and an independent broadcaster who's the host? anything could happen. it's live tv , yes, but those it's live tv, yes, but those questions are going to be heavily looked at before they are asked on live tv . are asked on live tv. >> and i don't think there's going to be anything that's because it's itv. >> if it was gb news, we'd we'd have all the questions. >> we always we always move the dial. >> there, and we're pretty new at doing this, our friend roger here will tell you that the americans started doing this in about 1960, didn't they? with nixon and kennedy. and the interesting thing there was that kennedy won on tv. he looked cool and all that. on radio. nixon won because you couldn't see nixon sweating. >> that's it. and nixon, nixon

forgot to shave as well, didn't he? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> the 5:00 shadow, 5:00 shadow. but this i think it's going to be a damp squib . be a damp squib. >> roger, i don't agree. i think that this could move the dial because the two men will be exposed on tuesday. it is live television. anything could happen. and also we will see their qualities as debaters come to the fore, i think you're absolutely right on both points. i think the level of apathy here, as evidenced by the london mayoral turnout, is so low that watching on tv and making a decision may be the only intellectual energy that a lot of britons are willing to dedicate to this. you're quite right . and secondly, you know, right. and secondly, you know, they say that the first two seconds that you see, somebody makes up your mind about them. so how they present on tv , how so how they present on tv, how they look, and they're debating abilities may be, you know, all the chap who's on his way down the chap who's on his way down the boozer for a pint with his

mates and is so sick of this and these really boring people. he's going to take a look and say, well, i didn't know, but i. >> well, indeed, let's not forget cleggmania in 2010. >> yeah. when you were probably still doing lego, i was probably still doing lego, i was probably still doing lego, playing with my barbie dolls. he made a big impact on the tv debates, and people were very excited about it. >> and i actually was going to vote for my little pony. >> well, my little pony or barbie, i think is the question. i think i absolutely think that the tv debates are going to be hugely important. and i think it's exactly the point that alex made the fact that their personalities are so dull. rishi sunakis personalities are so dull. rishi sunak is not offering anything new. he's effectively offering the same, same managed decline that we've seen over the last 14 years. and keir starmer is again , so incredibly dull. so what we're going to see is the emergence of these other candidates. i think richard tice is really going to succeed and really going to shine. >> so we could see some of the other characters come to the fore very briefly. gareth southgate is going to win the euros by getting rid of his suit. he is a fashion icon. he wants a player to be relaxed. of

course. last time it was the waistcoat. is the office suit dead? should we get rid of it? >> is it old fashioned? >> is it old fashioned? >> i'm quite traditional and old fashioned. i quite like an office suit. but i will say gareth southgate is a fashion icon. i cannot wait to see his. >> you look very smart tonight. >> you look very smart tonight. >> alex is the suit dead? >> alex is the suit dead? >> i think that gareth made the waistcoat his own and that is what we expect when we see him. there will be some psychologists behind this saying go out relaxed. it looks like you're going to win. okay. you should keep the waistcoat. >> well, always smart is patrick christys, who's up at nine? patrick, what have you got for us? >> we've got an absolutely massive exclusive for you and it's happening in just a few minutes time. it's happening in just a few minutes time . we have got minutes time. we have got exclusive bombshell polling data in conjunction with electoral calculus with us here @gbnews and indeed, the daily mail, the results are absolutely astonishing. it will be leading the news agenda over the weekend. no doubt you will get it first here at 9 pm. >> great stuff, patrick, i will see you tomorrow at 9:00. don't worry, i'll be wearing a suit. many thanks to my friday

friends. what a brilliant debate we've had tonight. do keep it gb news for all of the big election scoops. but, folks, patrick is next with a bombshell new poll. see you tomorrow at nine. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, sponsors of weather on gb news is . weather on gb news is. >> hello. very good evening to you. here's your latest gb news weather update brought to you by the met office. there will be a bit of rain around at times this weekend, and also some cloud, but for many a decent amount of fine dry and sunny weather because of an area of high pressure that's building in from the west. any rain that we saw today across the southeast that's now clearing away. so a dry picture here. however, we are going to see some cloud pushing its way in from the east across eastern parts of england. as we go through the night further north, some spots of rain across parts of scotland, perhaps northern ireland. two, but most places staying dry. some clear skies, especially

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gb news. well. >> it's 9 pm. i'm patrick christie's, and there's been a u turn. >> she's to free go forward as a labour candidate. the whip is back with her. it's been restored. >> and a gaffe . >> and a gaffe. >> and a gaffe. >> there are some reports this morning suggesting that you flew here on a private jet. is that

true ? true? >> the snp aren't happy, but i do put out a cautionary word that a lot of what i hear of labour's energy plans will result in significant loss of employment in the north—east of scotland, in the oil and gas sector, and i do not want to be part of that . is reformed part of that. is reformed immigration tax great or a little bit racist? >> the cure is an employer immigration tax . immigration tax. >> well how does this affect britain. so we're going to be appealing this scam . appealing this scam. >> we're going to be appealing it on many different things. and it on many different things. and it looks like terror in germany . it looks like terror in germany. >> but the big noise tonight is all about this. i have a huge general election exclusive to bnng general election exclusive to bring to you. i'll reveal the first in—depth mega poll of the election , analysing every single

election, analysing every single seat. the results