views take turns to present our views on a topic, and then everyone else piles in. and of course we want to know your views as well. send them to gbnews.com/yoursay and we'll read them out as soon as we can. but before we start tearing each other apart, here's your saturday night news with sam francis. >> ben, thank you very much. and good evening to you. it's just after 6:00. a look at the news tonight, and we start with election news. the battle lines are being drawn in the fight for votes with both the conservatives and labour attacking each other's economic records . today, the prime records. today, the prime minister says his opponents will run out of money, while labour leader sir keir starmer says the country's crying out for change. speaking to a crowd in front of the conservative campaign bus earlier, rishi sunak pledged to give millions of pounds to towns across the country if he's re—elected , adding another 30 to re—elected, adding another 30 to the 70 previously announced . the 70 previously announced. >> the 100 towns across our country, they're going to

receive £20 million each and, crucially, it will be local. people in all those areas are in charge of how to spend that money, to make sure it's spent and invested on their priorities. an example of us levelling up everywhere, backing local people and their priorities and giving them the long term funding assurance to do so. the methodology that selects these towns is something that's been used multiple times before. it's all public. it's based on areas levelling up needs, looking at economic opportunity , skills, health and opportunity, skills, health and life expectancy. so it's an objective set of criteria, all published online. but i'm not going to make any apology for supporting towns. >> well launching his battle bus, sir keir starmer described the conservatives levelling up pledge as a phoney gimmick. the labour leader says his party's data reveals which areas will be hit if the conservatives get back into government, with figures showing people in the north—east of england will be £5,400 worse off and families in the south—west will be £4,300 poorer. >> we want change with the

powers, with you, because the voters with you. you have to for voters with you. you have to for vote change. we have changed this labour party and put it back in the service of working people. what we're asking now, humbly asking, is the opportunity to change our country and put it back in the service of working people, and that requires both setting out our ambition to change the country, but also the first steps, the down payment, if you like, stabilising the economy and making sure we can deal with our waiting list, getting back people back into work, setting up great british energy to keep bills down. they are the first steps to the change this country desperately needs. >> and in wales, the leader of plaid cymru, rina, is accusing labour of taking welsh votes for granted. >> we have labour launching a campaign in wales and barely talking about anything relevant to wales, other than that they'd get to grips with health and education that they've been running for 25 years anyway, sort of gaslighting the people of wales. what are people heanng of wales. what are people

hearing for their communities from the main uk parties.7 nothing. supplied country's voice on that coming through loud and clear. >> well, turning from election news to london, where there has been a heavy presence in the centre of the city for several test events, thousands of people turned out for a rally organised by tommy robinson in parliament square this afternoon. a stand up square this afternoon. a stand up to racism staged a counter protest nearby and in a separate demonstration, nine youth demand activists were arrested for trying to block traffic. that group is calling for an end to military action in gaza. these are live pictures coming to us from the scene in wembley, where the metropolitan police are saying streets there are even busier ahead of tonight's champions league final, but that it does have a robust operation in place. they say in case of any further disruption . rishi any further disruption. rishi sunak has praised a proposed ceasefire deal set out by president joe biden, calling it welcome news. he's calling on hamas to accept the new deal to

end the conflict in gaza. the proposal would end the fighting there and return hostages, beginning with a six week ceasefire . however, israel's ceasefire. however, israel's government says certain conditions still need to be met by hamas . ticketmaster has by hamas. ticketmaster has confirmed a data breach with hackers claiming to have access to the details of up to 560 million customers. the shiny hunters group is reportedly demanding £400,000 in ransom to prevent names, addresses and some payment details being sold on the dark web . ticketmasters on the dark web. ticketmasters parent company, live nation, says it's now launched an investigation and is working with authorities across the world. and finally, king charles has personally given a card to a d—day veteran today who is celebrating his 100th birthday. jim miller was invited to buckingham palace, where he spoke to the king about his experiences during the second world war. mr miller landed on the beaches of normandy in june 1944 and took part in the allied

military operation . he said he military operation. he said he was totally surprised and delighted to have been invited to the palace. that's the latest from me for now. another update in the next hour or so. until then, you can sign up to gb news alerts. just go to our website gb news. com slash alerts. >> thank you sam. right i'm going to kick us off tonight. and it's with the bombshell polling commissioned by gb news that shows a tory wipe—out could be on the horizon at the general election. and i know this has left a lot of viewers miffed. you've all day been banging on about. why are you giving labour such a boost.7 but look, this polling shows that the conservatives could be reduced to just 72 seats, but with tactical voting considered, that could drop to a very lowly 66. so labour is also predicted to win a huge landslide landslide alongside that, with 493 seats. the polling suggests the

conservatives would return only around seven more mps than the liberal democrats. but my point tonight is, regardless of the polling, when are the polls ever right .7 we saw it with donald right.7 we saw it with donald trump in 2016, when hillary clinton was at one point tipped to be a 99% certainty to win the presidency. we saw it with brexit the same year. we saw it with theresa may in 2017 and later in 2019. the polls are always wrong , and that's the always wrong, and that's the same message i'm hearing from the tory campaign trail, too, which is why they've pledged to keep on fighting regardless. so benjamin butterworth, we can't trust the polls, can we, i mean, look, that's just a lazy argument. you know, the polls are not always wrong. there's a degree of inaccuracy in all polling, but generally they are very accurate and actually all the examples you give are really quite different to the situation that we're seeing now. the polling has not moved or even clinton and trump in 16. the polling has not moved an inch in this scenario since liz truss was the prime minister, the

labour lead has been much the same. it's increased ever so slightly in the last six months, but the labour leader's been about 20 points since then. and if you look at all the other factors, like who they most trust to be prime minister, who they trust on the economy, who they trust on the economy, who they trust on security, most of they trust on security, most of the time, labour wins on those two. so if you break down the figures, it also echoes the top line. what i think is the problem for the tories . you problem for the tories. you mentioned there in your comments that they are carrying on regard less. well, that's what they've been doing since liz truss was in office. and i think the problem is they've been, you know , trying the same tactics know, trying the same tactics and lo and behold, they're getting the same lack of results and they're going to have one hell of a hangover on the 5th of july. >> okay, james, you were nadhim zahawi former adviser. is that right .7 that's right. do you right.7 that's right. do you speak to him much these days.7 what's his thoughts on the current conservative turmoil? >> i can't get rid of him. no matter how hard i try, look, it's obviously a bombshell poll as you say. i think it's the right wording for it, and obviously, with his old experience running yougov, you know, you can see the ups and

downs of how these, these polls all play out. >> so sorry to interrupt. just remind us why he's not standing this time. >> what's happened? i think he's in his words that the heart said, carry on going. and the head said to stop. so he stepped down. he's standing down. i think a lot of mps that have come in since 2010, as he did, and many, many others as well. the last 14 years have really felt like the last 30 years or so. you know, when i first started working in westminster and then i was a young girl with and then i was a young girl with a dream, viewers can see what it's done to me. this is part of the problem, some of the churn. so i don't really blame people standing down anyway. i don't think it's just about the kind of the dire predictions coming through. >> so look at this polling here. there's a graphic on the screen. if there's radio listeners tuning in, labour predicted to have 493 seats, the conservatives 72 seats, followed by the lib dems on 39, the snp 22, applied country for and the greens with two. >> i mean, you see who who's not on there is reform not getting a single seat in this in this poll at all. but we'll be costing the conservatives an awful lot. and so actually they're proving the tories right, that every vote that goes for reform is going to be another vote for keir

starmer. >> good point about reform, doctor renee, i heard you spoke to some reform types today. what's their thoughts on the current situation? >> i did speak to some today and their feeling is that it will be a hung parliament, that that will not really true. and they really do believe that. and actually, i have to say they also believed in brexit. >> so it's no surprise they've got no common sense. >> so did i, and i have to say that i actually think you're right. and i don't think polls historically for about the last decade to 15 years have ever been right. and i think there's a reason for that. i think we've turned into such a divisive country where when you say something that isn't the lefty wokeist narrative that everybody wants you to believe, look at benjamin, you get shouted at and you get told to be quiet, or you get told that you're an idiot, or you're stupid or you're deplorable. so what you do is you just shut up. and then when you just shut up. and then when you get to the ballot box behind that curtain, you can do whatever you want. no one can shout at you. >> actually, benjamin renee has got a point there because you proved her point, in essence, by saying brexit voters had no common sense. you're just a nasty leftist, aren't you? >> i'm not that left wing, but, no, no, i actually think the

reverse will happen this time. first of all, you know, the way that the tories have gone on about so—called woke endlessly, it is not something that middle england is worried about. i'm not suggesting that they come to are i'm not suggesting that they all come to the same conclusions i do. i don't think they do. but they have much more importance to think important things to think about . and the idea that think about. and the idea that somehow a woke cabal of people like me in the media have somehow shut nigel farage up. well, i don't think any evidence supports that. the man never stops talking and never achieves anything either. >> i actually wrote about trump when it happened and said the reason that we got trump and brexit is because if you said you were going to vote for trump, you were shouted down and you were told you were stupid, you were told you were stupid, you were told you were stupid, you were a fascist, xenophobic, all of those things. so in the end, you stop saying it because you don't want to be called names, silent voters, nobody wants to be called names in the reverse now, because i'm endlessly , you know, ploughed endlessly, you know, ploughed with insults, woke used as an inqu with insults, woke used as an insult and words like it for saying that i don't want someone like reform anywhere near power.

>> i think we have the reverse. >> i think we have the reverse. >> i think i think reform are a great party, but they're not ready at the moment. and what was very interesting to me, ben habib, i think he's fantastic and when he when the by—election, when he lost and he even said that if he was an mp, he wouldn't take a salary when he wouldn't take a salary when he lost, that made me realise that they have no chance of getting any seats because he's one of the best they've got, obviously him and richard tice and he's very well known. he was in the press all the time. he's on tv all the time and if he can't win, no one. but this is most of the other, pieces that are known. they well, they just to give some balance to that, they'd argue that the local elections are different from the general election. of course, more people vote in the general election , but even so, for him election, but even so, for him not to be able to win when he did so much campaigning, he was his nigel farage tastic. he won't take a salary. they're not they're not going to get any. >> but his nigel farage just proved why we need proportional representation rather than this first past the post. we don't need that 4 million votes, not one seat, you know. how can that be? yeah. >> ukip in 2015, more than 4

million votes. more than 4 million votes. more than 4 million votes. more than 4 million votes. no seats. well, the one seat, pr is good. >> i mean, it's very, very hard to form governments. we've seen so many problems around isn't james isn't pr the most common form of democracy across europe ? form of democracy across europe? >> isn't it us and some other scandinavian country that only does. >> first, past the post, you look at the mess that you get in all these european polls. the problem is that if you if you end up needing coalitions, then all the deals are done behind closed doors, sadly in their smokeless rooms. but behind closed doors where people can't actually see what it is that's being traded off. we saw a little bit of that in the coalition agreement. what was it behind closed doors? no, i think the first past the post is the best system , even if it means best system, even if it means a small labour majority. so that will stop them messing around. the what if it means a huge labour majority democracy suddenly? if that's the case, i don't think i don't think a democratic result can be called bad for democracy. but until you say it, then nobody's been talking about labour in any of this. i've been i've been spending most of the week knocking on doors, and there's no enthusiasm for starmer at all. so that number may be high, but it's very soft point. >> but you know what, thatcher

and blair both came in with very soft, vague manifestos at their first elections and then got into their stride. that's how people take power, you know, they let the others lose it. but i think this election isn't about policies, it's about punishment. so the fact that labour says not much is an intentional strategy because they know they absolutely hate you guys. and that's all that matters. all right. >> well, we'll find out in the next 5 to 6 weeks. my point is that the polls i can't remember a poll ever being right. let us know what you think. gbnews.com/yoursay who's up next, it's going to be me. and i intend to be woke and annoying. as doctor renee suggested, look, darren grimes can't be with us tonight, but we're still going tonight, but we're still going to talk about another orange tanned man that's the former us president , the 45th, donald president, the 45th, donald trump. now, he was convicted of 34 felonies earlier this week. i'm sure you can't help but have noficed i'm sure you can't help but have noticed it. and the america first president has an american first. he is the first us president to be a convict

criminal. trump now we have a situation where i think america is on the edge of giving up the democratic freedoms that it used to be the beacon of, and i think that donald trump should not be allowed to run for us president, because i don't want a criminal in the white house. you know, ben, i know you're obsessed with him. there's nothing stopping. >> by the way, when you were talking about the orange tan, man, i thought you were talking about me. i've just seen myself on the monitor. i look so tan that i'm a bit dirty. gorgeous. >> well, at least you're self—aware. >> sorry. go on. >> better points, you know, so the us constitution says that you have to be 35 years old and born in america to run for president . there's no other president. there's no other rule, right? you could have a situation, though . he could be situation, though. he could be in prison and run for the white house. you could have a situation where, because he's in prison, he can't vote for himself, but he could still be elected president. do you not think this is fast? >> benjamin, let me ask you question. >> you won't be going to jail, do you not think? >> yeah. do you not think it's farcical? the fact that you've

got a politicised justice system in the united states, a democrat district attorney alvin bragg, who before the case even started, was boasting about how he was going to nail donald trump. you've got a politicised judge whose daughter has raised hundreds of thousands of dollars for the democratic campaign trail. it's a complete stitch up, as trump has said, as any normal thinking person has said, do you not? you bang on about democracy and protecting the protecting the integrity of elections, do you not think that persecuting political rivals with lawfare is absurd? that's that's the most absurd thing about it. not the fact persecuted, not the fact that donald trump paid a stripper to keep quiet about their liaison, the law to pay hush money, ehhen the law to pay hush money, either, like bill clinton's done it, it is in the way that he did it. >> so the reason he got these convictions, 12 jurors, found against him in all 34, claims is because he paid something like, i think it's 130 or $150,000, to, a sex worker, an adult performer who he'd had sex with on one occasion. and then he didn't declare that in his accounts . so it's not actually accounts. so it's not actually the infidelity. what a crime .

the infidelity. what a crime. immorality. i believe it's paid for the lawyer. the problem is that he lied on his accounting to be the president. you dispute that, do you? >> the lawyers. >> the lawyers. >> the lawyers. >> the fact that he lied as well? >> yeah. do you dispute that he lied? >> no , i don't care, i couldn't >> no, i don't care, i couldn't care. i and many other people , care. i and many other people, half half of america couldn't care less if you paid a stripper to be quiet after sleeping with her. people don't care. people care about their quality of life. whether their children are getting a good education, whether they can get housing, whether they can get housing, whether they can feel safe wandering the streets of america. they don't care about some trivial stuff about stormy daniels, what they also care aboutis daniels, what they also care about is the weaponization of the justice system in america. it's a complete fad and fakery to think that america now has some sort of honest, you know, morally , superior justice system morally, superiorjustice system and democratic process in america when you see what's happened to donald trump, if donald trump wasn't running for president, would he be subject to this case? no. the judge the judge even said to the jury, i don't know what the crime is,

but even if you don't agree on the crime, just find it. you don't have to find it unanimously. just find him guilty. it's a sham. come >> that will likely come after the. >> i can't believe you're being so disingenuous to not realise it's a sham. if it was someone on the left, i'd say the same thing. if jeremy corbyn had been high office. >> i don't think jeremy corbyn should be in here. >> let's bring in. but can i just say, you know, a former democrat politician, a lady called madeleine albright, she said there's a special place in hell for women that don't stand with other women you love. >> i love trump in hell for you. well, i'm very religious and i'll be going to heaven. don't worry about that. i pray to god today. i pray every day. and also, you have to remember there's a difference between a civil case and a criminal case. so you're forgetting that civil cases are often brought for monetary gain as well, you know, and this case was brought first, the first case about 20 years ago, that happened when he paid off the other lady as well. so if it was a criminal case, it would be very different. civil is different. women make up things to get money. i'm sorry that does happen a lot of the time. >> do you think she made it up?

no. >> i said women do not. stormy daniels, there was another lady. there were two ladies. you know, there's not just the authors. >> e jean carroll renee. what do you think as a woman on on donald trump? >> so look, donald trump is a man is not my cup of tea. and i think he has done and said some things which are absolutely hideous for women. however, what i'm looking at is the state that the world was is in the state that america is in. and everything that he says applies to this country as well in terms of immigration, standard of living , you know, keeping things living, you know, keeping things at home, being self—sufficient with energy . so i look at trump with energy. so i look at trump and think, if he can actually stand up and make america great again, yeah, we need somebody here who can stand up and make the uk great again. so i think actually he's a good thing for the world. yeah. if the choice is biden and trump james. >> well, i think it's remarkable that he was at least found mentally competent to stand trial because joe biden was found that he was not seen mentally fit to stand in a trial in this sense. and the guy is clearly not very well either, and that the democrats were being deliberately trying to stoke this up. they said this

trump was dead and gone in the water until this sort of stuff started happening. his campaign made 50 something million dollars in small donations in the first 24 hours. the website crashed, and the democratic party have been pushing this stuff because they think trump is more beatable in the general election than many of the other candidates. somebody like ron desantis, who is actually a much more competent governor and again, if you were talking about defending women, the democratic party are the people again, who are pushing things like puberty blockers and all these kinds of horrible things and have been soft on crime, and women are much bigger victims of crime than men. and so i think that trump is very careful about who who we say is a better man. >> i think i think that's nonsense, but did you ever meet donald? >> hang on a minute. you can't just you can't just respond to his argument by saying it's nonsense. they're moving on. answer the point. >> because the biggest attack on on women's rights in the us has been taking away their right to an abortion. across the us. >> that's a massive rolling back of their rights, and that is an attack that was done by republicans , was done by republican. >> do you agree with full term abortion at nine months? >> that's not what the question was. the question was that they have a right. >> that's what some democrats want, that that wasn't the

change that has happened. >> and it's one thing that's pushed women towards the democrats. but can i ask, you've beenin democrats. but can i ask, you've been in government. did you ever meet donald trump? did you know how government felt about him in the uk? >> i've not met trump yet, but the british embassy in the states , has been fairly partisan states, has been fairly partisan towards the democratic party for a long time. so we did a trip out there and they were very, very hesitant about us seeing conservative right wing think tanks and things like that. we did go to the white house, and we did a meeting with the current vice president, kamala harris. so we met her, we met janet yellen, and some people like that, and she's a reassuring that much like in britain, america is not necessarily getting the very best of its citizenry. as politicians, we've run out of time. >> the last point, do you think we'll struggle to bond with trump if he if he gets back in power as a country? >> i think that we need to make the special relationship stronger again, and not just about politicians. my other half is american. there's a special relationship. there it goes. it transcends politics. yeah okay. >> good stuff. we'll find out again in november whether that trial has any effect on their election over there. still to come tonight . should private come tonight. should private puberty blocker clinics be banned from dishing out the

drugs to kids? and what do arts events who are forced to close by deranged climate activists think? how should they handle, all the wokery and the wokery, as darren grimes would say, when they try to force their events to be closed? do we need to protect our art spaces ? but protect our art spaces? but next, a boozy british tourists ruining holiday hotspots around the world. magaluf eat your heart out with the saturday five live

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. as always. thanks for your emails about tonight's topics. auburn. i think that's how you pronounce it. auburn good evening to you. you say if after july the 4th, all polls turn out to be wrong, i expect benjamin butterworth to appear on gb news wearing pants on his head for three months. fancy that deal. deal there we go. you heard it here first. social media. click this up. put it out on twitter.

make it go viral. make him stick to it. archie said pr is a system. multi party is trying to agree on. something that the polls are part in is just a non—starter. i don't even like a coalition government and now it's coalition government and now wsfime coalition government and now it's time for our next debate. who's up next? >> i'm up next, brits abroad get a bad rap, but i just think it's time to cut them some slack. brits like to have a laugh. they like to have a drink . they're like to have a drink. they're big spenders and there are some brits that misbehave on holiday. they have a few too many drinks, but they're the small minority and they're just being defamed. basically the whole of europe seems to hate brits travelling to their countries, but america loves them. so i think more brits should go to america. >> so paula, this came from a couple of stories doing the rounds, separate ones, but all kind of fall into the same package. the first being that after maybe a year or so of the canary and the balearic islands, majorca and so on, complaining about rowdy british tourists, they're now moaning , laughably, they're now moaning, laughably, that tourism is down and the brits aren't turning up somewhere else. i think it was. maybe menorca had banned . maybe,

maybe menorca had banned. maybe, rightly or wrongly, benjamin could answer this in a second. they'd banned penis shaped inflatables in the water because brits love them too much , you brits love them too much, you think they get a bad rap? >> yeah, i think brits like to have a laugh. i mean, the last houdayi have a laugh. i mean, the last holiday i went to, i went, is dubaiandi holiday i went to, i went, is dubai and i had a wonderful time and quite a lot of brits go there and i remember sunbathing by the pool and then i saw a whole load of guys doing press ups and then down in a pint of beer and i thought, oh, i bet they're brits. but they were just having a laugh and they're fun, you know, other people are just reading, being boring. but brits, they do pranks, they're having a laugh and they're very chatty and friendly. i'm a brit, obviously, and the problem is that when they've had ten, ten of those pints, they become really obnoxious . really obnoxious. >> and if they get arrested, they behave better there. >> maybe they need to vomit in the street. they don't. i've never seen people vomit in the street. i spent a lot of time in spain, and the people that i have seen misbehaving are the moroccans. i've seen them commit crimes. actually i had to tell the police. so the moroccans are very. >> i'm sure i'm sure, i'm sure some brits have committed crimes, but i've actually seen moroccans like rob.

>> people offer like, illegal things to people. moroccans, they cause a lot of problems, but we don't hear about it. >> well, this is interesting because i don't think i personally have ever seen any other nationalities behave in the way. some british cohorts do abroad, especially when they're ten pints down. benjamin what do you make of the menorca ban on penis shaped inflatables in the sea? >>i sea? >> i mean, you know, i kind of hate stuff like that. i find it a bit grim. and also given it's a bit grim. and also given it's a family destination , i think a family destination, i think it'd just be a bit awkward if you're there with with little kids or something to try and explain what's going on. but you know what i mean. i, i like dangerous travel. i go to countries where isis are the problem, not british tourists. so these aren't situations that itend so these aren't situations that i tend to come across. although i tend to come across. although ihave i tend to come across. although i have been to benidorm three times, i'll give you all three occasions were as a journalist being sent there to write about it. >> did you bring a donkey home, no, i didn't, but tell you what i when i no, i didn't, but tell you what iwhen i did no, i didn't, but tell you what i when i did go there the first time, you know, mad john, the tv show benidorm, she would go around on her scooter. the mayor of benidorm had to ban renting

scooters to british tourists because they were all getting on them like mad from the tv show. and having a cigarette and getting drunk going down the beachfront. do you look down on people who go to benidorm? >> well, this is the thing. >> well, this is the thing. >> this is where i think the problem is right in that lots of people that look as nice as james does, for example, that might go to a nice restaurant and have, you know, a couple of bottles of red wine each . that's bottles of red wine each. that's a lot of alcohol. that's a fabulous day out. no problem with it. in principle . fabulous day out. no problem with it. in principle. but fabulous day out. no problem with it. in principle . but even with it. in principle. but even if they're rowdy on the way home, they don't get judged in this way. you know, middle class, upper middle class britons aren't looked at like this. but you sit around the pool and you drink beer all day with your top off and a tattoo, and people start making judgements. and i do think there's a snobbery in it. >> yeah, but they do say those guys who are doing like push ups and stuff, like if you get drunk, i'm sure you're obsessed with push ups. >> paula. no, but i was saying on the floor, i'm saying but like, guys do pranks. >> i've seen british guys and they dare each other to do things or they do, they just do weird stuff. other people that are, you know, i don't know, i think this is really interesting. they don't do things like that. they just

stagger home. >> so i spend a lot of time in the south of spain, and i see some of these people behaving in the towns, and some of it is really tacky and nasty, and you don't want it to happen. however, i also think the spanish are being a little bit silly, and i think they're looking to bite the hand that feeds them because without that tourism, they will be nowhere. it is their major source of gdp in all of these countries, so i'm afraid they're just going to have to. >> james, dare i ask if you've ever staggered down the west end in ibiza urinating in doorways and singing english football songs, if any viewers can find the inflatable penis that i lost in yorkshire, please, please send it in to the gb news studios. >> i do think it's a little it's a little awkward and embarrassing when you think the way that americans think about brits in their head, right? they think we're all kind of james bond.i think we're all kind of james bond . i think think we're all kind of james bond. i think we're this kind of classy thing from downton abbey or whatever else. and then, you know, a smash cut to guys in ibiza getting absolutely hammered. and that is embarrassing. i'd like for us to up our game a little bit, and it does feel like we're worse than any other nationality. >> you know, maybe we're just self—aware and we're quite self—deprecating as a culture, but we have a culture of drinking that people go to you

know, i especially as someone who's now in my 30s, yes. i don't look it, but i am i don't want to get like really hammered. it doesn't seem funny. it seems quite stressful. and so it seems quite stressful. and so i kind of think, is it not a shame that that's the only way that we as brits express ourselves? >> i did , i did ourselves? >>idid,|dida ourselves? >> i did , i did a season in >> i did, i did a season in ibiza when i was 18. oh yeah, i did. i don't know if any viewers at home have seen kevin and perry go large. the film about the two lads. well, the one lad goes to ibiza to be a superstar dj. | goes to ibiza to be a superstar dj. i basically did that, i copied that, how did it go? i did a few small gigs here and there, but i never quite made it to amnesia or, you know, radio 1. >> 1.- >> no, 1. >> no, but you had a lot of fun though. >> is amnesia a club? i forget it's a club. >> yeah. very good. >> yeah. very good. >> it's very good. >> it's very good. >> but there we go. i think. i think we should, we should, you know, be proud of our british culture. >> we just have fun there. >> we just have fun there. >> young people having a laugh after university. yeah. good, good. >> and you're. you're a proper lad, right? really do you. not all you were do it makes that you went to school with and things from back home. would they go and drink a lot in a beer or something? >> not now. but i have a story

back in the day, the first ever time we went to ibiza. i'll be very quick. we're running out of time. we were. we were seven. we were 17. a couple of our group after a night out. not me. a couple had a wee in the street. the civil guard came over, slapped him over the face, made them mop up their, behaviour with their tops and, gave us or all of us, actually, even though it wasn't me who did it a battering with a truncheon. do you know what none of us ever did anything like that ever again. so that's something maybe to consider. >> i had a similar experience, but to i had pay for it in a fine . fine. >> right. got it. okay. right. swiftly moving on. still ahead . swiftly moving on. still ahead. the government has banned puberty blockers for kids on the nhs, but should they still be able to get them privately from private clinics ? a new ban comes private clinics? a new ban comes in on that on monday. is it the right decision? but next, should arts organisations end sponsorship deals because of concerns over climate protesters like this? you're with the saturday vie live on gb news. stick with

us. welcome back to the saturday five. the emails are coming in thick and fast. and a surprising statement from stephen. he says, good evening, stephen. what a bunch of no hopers. get some real people on this woke panel. i'm not sure who you're talking about. i mean, benjamin, obviously, the wokeist man in britain didn't think i was definitely not woke. paul was not woke. >> i've not been called woke eve r. >> even >> james, you are ever. >> james, you are a even >> james, you are a woke artist. >> james, you are a woke artist. >> i didn't think so until this point. >> i've even got a t shirt saying just stop being woke, richard. >> if. >> if. >> go on ben, i can't stand when people call me the wokeist man in britain as excuse me, don't assume my gender. >> oh, there we go. >> oh, there we go. >> he's ruled that one out about ten times over the past four months, but we'll laugh again anyway. richard, tell us. come send another email back in or comment and tell us who you mean. particularly because i'd like to know if you mean me elsewhere, richard, you say i'm seriously getting fed up of heanng seriously getting fed up of hearing about trump, biden and usa politics day in, day out on all news channels. has britain suddenly become the 51st state

of the usa, no , i get you, but of the usa, no, i get you, but there is an election this year in november. it was quite a historic moment. you know, a former president and a running, president would be being charged as a felon. so i guess it deserves the coverage . anyway, deserves the coverage. anyway, back to the show. it's time now for our next debate . who's up next? >> so i think that's for me. so there's a company in scotland called baillie gifford, an investment management firm, who are the latest victims of a bunch of climate change protesters melding into anti—israel protesters and this kind of omni cause everything that's sort of anti—capitalism, anti—west and anti free world pressuring arts organisations to disassociate from companies. so this baillie gifford company invests in all kinds of things around the world, but it also sponsors the hay on wye literary festival and the edinburgh book festival. and both of these festivals have now had to pull out and say we don't want their money anymore. that's going towards lovely charitable things like helping children to learn to read, because there are concerns that have some sort of violence or disobedience or anything else going on from climate protesters and anti —israel climate protesters and anti—israel protesters. and i think it's disgraceful . think it's disgraceful. >> okay. well, look, i cannot

stand just stop oil or extinction rebellion or any of that lot , but i've had many run that lot, but i've had many run ins with them, lots of it on youtube. go and check it out. >> however, i'm blocked the thing, however , that i will thing, however, that i will fight for their rights to protest and, you know, free speech. >> i don't care whether they're from my side of the argument. i will die for their right to make their argument, whether i think it's a load of nonsense or not. so i mean, when it comes to art events, what are they doing? are they literally storming art events physically? are they making physical threats? what's going on? >> so i think there's they're moving towards threats of that because this is the concern that these these protesters, the concern that the organisers of these festivals have. but the bigger problem here is the fact that these people are complaining about perfectly legitimate, very successful british businesses investing in perfectly legitimate causes . so perfectly legitimate causes. so again, this company actually invested huge amounts of money invested huge amounts of money in electric vehicles that you would think that the green climate people would really like. but no, they don't actually care about the climate. they don't care about the environment. just like the anti—israel people don't really care about the plight of suffering, of people across the

middle east. they just hate the current thing. they're anti —israel. current thing. they're anti—israel. i think the problem is these people are anti—semitic. and then when it comes to this, this point about climate, they're just anti—capitalism. and that if we start acceding to these demands of these lunatics, we're all going to end up with no power, no cars, no joy, no fun in life. and apparently no book. >> but you agree they do have the right to make that point. >> they have the right to make the point, and we have a right to stand up to them and to help give companies and festivals the right kind of security and just the right kind of cultural confidence in this country. not to fall foul of these people and not to be scared that greta thunberg is going to come along, make you go to the toilet in a bucket, or people are going to come along and throw baked beans over precious artworks. >> renee i think that you just actually made the real point of this is that it's not about the people protesting. they can do what they want as long as they don't disrupt physically other people's lives. but i think the important thing here is that these companies are being bullied to the point where they're backing down and we need to empower them. so that they don't do that. but the problem is, is that it often involves money. and what these companies

are scared of is that people will stop buying their trainers or stop buying their books, or stop buying their electric cars, and that happens. yeah. so what happens is they then back off because they're worried about their bottom line and we somehow need to move away from this absolutely divisive bullying tactic that protests now is, well, it's happened on this channel. >> but before this channel even launched a and a far left campaign group which still runs today, was running a, an advertising boycott and we're still affected by it today, it's a complete lack of free speech. >> yeah, i agree with you on most things, but i'm not all for protesting whenever you like, because france , for instance, because france, for instance, they banned the pro—palestine marches . i think they banned the pro—palestine marches. i think a they banned the pro—palestine marches . i think a couple of marches. i think a couple of weeks after, the tragedy that happened. weeks after, the tragedy that happened . so they didn't want happened. so they didn't want all of these people on their streets affecting tourism, because a lot of people, obviously, especially paris, go there for tourism, commerce, a lot of restaurants can't , serve lot of restaurants can't, serve people at lunchtime. people can't go shopping. and this is what's happening in this country. obviously today we've

had a different type of protest. once in a blue moon. it was a protest for british people. so i'm happy about that. but we can't keep on having these protests. i live in the heart of central london. i can't go shopping in a weekend. i can't go to the cinema because of these protests. so at some point, i'm not all for all for protests, whenever you like. no, i think the pro—palestine marches should be banned now, and you're not actually allowed to protest a big protest unless you get the authority from the police. so the police can actually turn down the requests to protest. so too many people think they have carte blanche to protest whenever they like. however, many people affect how many businesses, how many people live in in areas , and enough live in in areas, and enough needs to be enough. so yeah, i don't think everyone should be able to process whatever they. >> benjamin, do you back your far left cohorts? in this case? >> i don't think i've ever been far left. everyone in the labour party called me a tory for many years. so, you know, it's nice now to be in the mainstream. i think there's actually a massive hypocrisy. vie, in some people that say they're against these boycotts, they don't like it because when it came to in the

us, you had a situation with a transgender influencer and the company budweiser and bud light people. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> well , >> yeah. >> well, suddenly all the people that would have probably agreed with you were saying, i'm not going out and buying bud light because i don't like that they have this person posted. >> that was very that was very i think it's sinister what they did. >> it's sinister. >> it's sinister. >> it's sinister. >> it's not about sinister. >> it's not about sinister. >> but that's the very point. benjamin. that's the very point that people are so powerful now because of social media that they can actually hit a companies bottom line into the billions of pounds or dollars. so people are so scared now that there's no such thing as free speech, really, because it's being governed by this is this not a really effective democratic way of executing free speech, because it only gets into the billions in bud light, for example. >> and it really did get that big. it was a nightmare for them because because hundreds of thousands of people, if not more , stopped regularly buying that product in democratic protest . product in democratic protest. now, clearly i disagreed with their reasons, but arguably it's a pretty effective means of well, you say that, but if gb news over the next year can't

attract more advertisers because companies are stopping people from advertising them because they're too scared now to go against it , that would actually against it, that would actually stop free speech. >> do you know what i have a theory which i think will manifest over the next 5 to 10 years, and that corporations will finally understand that the majority of their customers are normal thinking people just trying to work hard, put food on the table for their family. >> and i think there will be an epiphany where they realise that people don't care about all this pc woke stuff and box ticking and i think we'll see the tide turn.i and i think we'll see the tide turn. i think you'll see. i think you'll see major broadcasters like itv maybe, you know, hiring some some faces today who would traditionally be considered you know, quite controversial. i think you'll mean you. i think me , i don't mean you. i think me, i don't think they touch me with a bargepole. but at the moment anyway. but you know, big corporations. i think the tide will turn. i think we're going to get over this, this wokery pc. >> a lot of left wing stations are losing viewers, you know. so yeah. okay. >> all right. interesting debate. still ahead. the king's official go get this . the king's

official go get this. the king's official go get this. the king's official out of space expert. i didn't know he had one. so he's the official royal astronomer. he says it's very likely that auens he says it's very likely that aliens exist. he doesn't mean benjamin butterworth . he means benjamin butterworth. he means proper aliens from outer space. we're going to be asking our own favourite space expert if he's right. but next, one of the government's final acts before parliament dissolved was to ban puberty blockers for kids. that was on the nhs. puberty blockers for kids. that was on the nhs . yes. did they was on the nhs. yes. did they get that right? and have they got the monday ban coming in a couple of days, for private clinics to be prohibited from dishing out puberty blockers for kids. so this is new legislation, emergency legislation, emergency legislation coming out in a few days. is the right thing to do? you're with the saturday vie live

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. actually. still rocking from paula's revelation. off air just then that she's never had a kebab . very strange person.

kebab. very strange person. >> never had a chicken leg ehhen >> never had a chicken leg either. that's probably even more strange, right? >> what do you eat? >> what do you eat? >> i eat chicken, i eat sushi, i eat crisp, i don't like to eat meat on the bone unless it's like cannibal. like i don't like it. >> another message from feldy. good evening to you. it sounds like you're having a fun night. you say, i've seen more testosterone in an apple than the males on this panel, elsewhere, kate says, guys, i'm a british hotel rep in the americas. mexico. at the moment. you should see the behaviour of the americans and canadians. they make the brits look like angels. and dean, good evening to you. you say peaceful non—damaging non destructive protest that does not disrupt the lives of non protesters is fine. if you cannot do that then you should be arrested and charged and a non protest order put on the group you are affiliated to. i take it you're not a just stop oil fan then dean right. time now for our next debate. i think it's you doctor renee it is me. >> if i keep my voice for it, so a month ago, the cass report was released and it said that children and young people presenting to the nhs with

genden presenting to the nhs with gender, distress were being let down by the nhs because the evidence base was remarkably weak that was being used to treat them. the result of this was the uk government banned puberty blockers for children. that's under 18 in the nhs. i stood up as a doctor and a mother and applauded that. however, there was a massive fly in the ointment and that was that. private clinics could still prescribe puberty blockers for children and one rather large clinic being run by a uk gp operating in spain, was sending out prescriptions to children as young as 13 by the post . there were plenty of other post. there were plenty of other private clinics who were prepared to jump on this exponential rise in young children, being convinced that they could have been born in the wrong body. the government actually acted last week, just before parliament was dissolved and launched emergency legislation, which comes into practice on monday, which prohibits private gp's and clinics wherever they're based, evenin clinics wherever they're based, even in the eu, from prescribing for children . and this will be

for children. and this will be in place for at least three months. so i think we should all stand up and applaud that safeguarding is back in the room for our children, even if it is only for three months in the next government may overturn it. >> benjamin. >> benjamin. >> i mean, i think safeguarding is the wrong word to use because it's not bringing in more checks for the individual children concerned, which would be the right thing to do. and there has been a problem that some kids were being diagnosed with these things, when actually it wasn't the correct diagnosis . it's not the correct diagnosis. it's not a safeguard in this scenario. it's a stop because it's banning them from being able to access these things, which isn't the same as a safeguard. that's totally. and so the fact is that you have young people who know they're in the wrong body . who they're in the wrong body. who are they who are in? >> children know they mean nobody's in the wrong body, incredible distress. >> nobody's in the wrong body. >> nobody's in the wrong body. >> so you're telling me that, you know, i remember someone called april ashley. she's now died. she was one of the first people in this country to have gender reassignment surgery. in the 50s. she was a vogue model as a woman , she made history as a woman, she made history because she married an

aristocrat . and she was the aristocrat. and she was the bafis aristocrat. and she was the basis of what would become our same sex marriage laws. she lived as a woman from the 50s until she died about 2 or 3 years ago. so it doesn't mean. are you telling me that she wasn't in the wrong body? she wasn't in the wrong body? she wasn't confused when she was. >> she she felt like she was. >> she she felt like she was. >> she she felt like she was. >> she had severe mind to 80 odd.she >> she had severe mind to 80 odd. she had severe 60 years. >> pretending severe meant no. of course she wasn't pretending she had severe mental distress. she felt that she was in the wrong body. but nobody is really in the wrong body. >> how do you know that does make you transgender? >> that's like i'm a gay person. that's like telling me that i don't really feel a sexual attraction to another man. well, no, no. >> not you. >> not you. >> entirely different . it's >> entirely different. it's entirely different. of course it is. that is your sexual attraction , benjamin. it is not attraction, benjamin. it is not you saying these sexual organs that i have should not be on my body. it's a mistake. let's cut them off. >> and so why do you think so many people from so many backgrounds and so many countries for so long have realised that this is a problem they have? do you think some would argue it's social contagion. >> but let me not. >> but let me not. >> that's a nasty way to talk about human. human beings are not contagious. >> i just think it's quite

interesting. i was watching an american show about a trans basically , he was born a man, basically, he was born a man, and then he felt he was trapped in the wrong body and he was a female. but the reason he thought that was because when he was in his mother's belly, there were twins. and the other , twin were twins. and the other, twin was a girl, and that girl died. so the doctor said in very rare cases, in rare cases, he can feel that he is a girl because the other foetus passed away. >> benjamin. so there , by >> benjamin. so there, by definition, gender dysphoria is a mental it's a mental illness . a mental it's a mental illness. >> it's not a sexual attraction language that was used to describe homosexuality, but it is a mental illness. >> gender, gender dysphoria is a mental. do you not agree that gender dysphoria is a mental illness? surely. well, i mean that i mean, it's a medical statistics of how you describe the experience that those people have, but to deny that they have the experience is nonsense. >> but i think the problem is , >> but i think the problem is, benjamin, that once you're over 18, whatever you want to do with your outward appearance and how your outward appearance and how you live is entirely up to you. but children cannot, cannot realise what might happen to them later in life when they're

sterilised by drugs that they take. we as adults must safeguard them from making that decision. okay james 10s, sorry you're cut short when young people think that they have, or when young people suffer from things like bulimia and anorexia , we don't say, yeah, you fat pig, , we don't say, yeah, you fat pig, that's it. >> go starve yourself. we don't do that. and that's, i'm afraid, been basically the equivalent. okay. that's the problem, right? >> that's the end of the first houn >> that's the end of the first hour. loads more to come though on the show tonight, including the king's own outer space adviser says aliens probably do exist, and we'll have one live with us here in the studio. only joking, of course we know. but we'll have a was coming on. we'll have a space expert indeed, and we'll answer all your questions in ask the five. keep those questions coming in first, though. let's get your weather with marco . weather with marco. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boiler as sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello. here's your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. we hold on to a lot of fine weather across

the uk over the next day or so, but as we go into the new working week, things will turn a bit cooler and more unsettled from the north high pressure is dominating at the moment, the high located just to the west of the uk, but that's keeping things pretty quiet weather wise and certainly as we head into the evening, we hold on to a lot of fine dry weather cloud tending to melt away across england and wales. so plenty of clear weather as we go into the early hours of sunday. we'll see 1 or 2 mr fog patches forming by sunday morning and notice some rain just pushing into the far north—west of the uk by the early hours of sunday, two towns and city temperatures hold up quite well, generally near double figures, but in some rural spots we could dip down to 2 or 3 celsius so we could see a touch of frost in 1 or 2 very rural spots. by sunday morning. so sunday gets off to a pretty fine start across the east and south—east of scotland. lots of sunshine around, but notice out towards the west and northwest, thicker cloud bringing some outbreaks of rain and that cloud of rain will also work its way in across parts of northern ireland. so some patchy rain here as we start sunday. but for england and wales, it's set fair. plenty of sunshine around, pretty much unbroken sunshine in places, just a legacy of some

low cloud to clear from the far south—east first thing in the morning. during the rest of the day on sunday, those outbreaks of rain in the north—west will gradually start to migrate further south and east across other parts of scotland, across northern ireland, eventually reaching the far north—west of england by the very end of the day. east of scotland down towards the south—east, and two for much of england and wales. lots of sunshine here and again feeling quite warm in that sunshine, particularly towards the south—east of england. highs here are 23, possibly even 24 celsius. that's into the mid 70s in fahrenheit. always a bit cooler though, towards the north—west. given that cloud and rain, the band of cloud and rain edges further south into england and wales as we go into monday. to the south of that brighter skies, 1 or 2 showers and much brighter weather, but turning cooler too across the north of scotland with highs up to 19 or 20 celsius across the south of the uk nearer the low to mid teens further north, generally turning more unsettled and cooler during the week ahead, though . though. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather

gb news. >> it's saturday night. and this is the saturday five. i'm ben leo, along with james price. doctor renee hoenderkamp , paula doctor renee hoenderkamp, paula london. and your favourite, benjamin butterworth . plenty benjamin butterworth. plenty more to come tonight, including do aliens exist ? the king's own do aliens exist? the king's own space adviser says they do. it's 7 pm. and this is the saturday five. also still to come tonight, doctor renee and paula go head to head in the saturday scrap on whether we need to have more kids to save the human race. nothing too deep. and in bunch of five, liz truss claims that she's not britain's worst ever prime minister who else could she have in mind? give

your guesses to gbnews.com forward slash your say. then we'll also be answering your questions in ask the five. send them through to that same address gbnews.com forward slash your say. but first it's your saturday night news with sam francis . francis. >> for a good evening to you it's 7:01. exactly. and let's start with a round up of today's election news. as the battle lines are being drawn in the fight for votes with both the conservatives and labour launching their election battle buses today. speaking to a crowd in front of his campaign bus, the prime minister, rishi sunak , the prime minister, rishi sunak, pledged to give millions of pounds to towns across the country if he's re—elected. >> the 100 towns across our country , they're going to country, they're going to receive £20 million each and crucially, it will be local. people in all those areas are in charge of how to spend that money, to make sure it's spent and invested on their priorities. an example of us levelling up everywhere, backing local people and their

priorities and giving them the long term funding assurance to do so. the methodology that selects these towns is something that's been used multiple times before. it's all public. it's based on areas levelling up needs, looking at economic opportunity, skills, health and life expectancy. so it's an objective set of criteria. all published online. but i'm not going to make any apology for supporting towns. >> well labour's battle bus is heading on a 5000 mile journey to key seats across the country , to key seats across the country, setting off today the vehicles being used by the to party highlight its power up agenda. sir keir starmer says it's a replacement to the conservatives own levelling up pledge, which he has called a phoney gimmick, won't change the powers with you because the voters with you, you have to vote for change. >> we have changed this labour party and put it back in the service of working people. but we're asking now , humbly asking we're asking now, humbly asking is the opportunity to change our country and put it back in the service of working people. and that requires both setting out

our ambition to change the country, but also the first steps, the down payment, if you like, stabilising the economy, making sure we can deal with our waiting list, getting back people back into work, setting up great british energy to keep bills down. they are the first steps to the change this country desperately needs. >> responding to sir keir starmer in scotland, the first minister there, john swinney, claimed that a labour government would devastate work opportunities and insists that the snp can remove what he calls the snp can remove what he calls the remaining rump of conservative representatives . conservative representatives. >> what's important is that the snp goes in this election to win it, and that's what we're about. we're going into this election to win it and the north—east of scotland, we've got a really good opportunity to contribute towards removing the conservative government by making sure that snp mp is sure that the snp candidates , who are that the snp candidates, who are the challengers in each of the conservative held seats in the nonh conservative held seats in the north east, are able to win those seats. so i would my message, in short, to voters in the north—east of scotland is to

vote snp to remove the conservatives who have done so much damage to the communities and the people of scotland . and the people of scotland. >> john swinney there, speaking earlier this afternoon. well, in other news, there's been a heavy police presence in central london today for several protest events. thousands of people turned out for a rally organised by tommy robinson in parliament square as stand up to racism staged their own counter—protest nearby. these live pictures coming to us from wembley, where the metropolitan police says streets there are even busier at tonight's champions league final . but it does insist that a robust operation is in place throughout the night in case of any further disruption . rishi any further disruption. rishi sunak has praised a proposed ceasefire deal set out by president joe biden , calling it president joe biden, calling it welcome news. he's calling on hamas to accept the new deal to end the conflict in gaza. that proposal would end the fighting and return hostages, beginning with a six week ceasefire. but israel's government says certain

conditions still have to be met by hamas . boris johnson says by hamas. boris johnson says that a second donald trump presidency is now more likely following his hush money trial. the former prime minister has come out in support of the now convicted former president, saying the verdict won't derail mr trump's campaign. donald trump says he will be appealing the conviction, falsifying business records and lashed out at what he calls a scam verdict . at what he calls a scam verdict. what we've heard tonight that nonh what we've heard tonight that north korea has allegedly sent more balloons filled with rubbish and suspected animal poo floating off towards the south in seoul. the south korean government's dispatched chemical and explosive clearance teams to recover debris. we understand 260 or so balloons have been detected so far flying across the border, pyongyang says it's in retaliation for defectors and activists who have sent their own inflatables across the border further north, containing leaflets , food, medicine and usb leaflets, food, medicine and usb sticks often loaded with k—pop videos . and finally,

videos. and finally, ticketmaster has confirmed it's been hacked and that the data taken includes customers partial payment information in some 560 million people worldwide are reportedly affected. it's being suggested the groups, called shiny hunter, wants £400,000, or it threatens to sell those details on the dark web . for the details on the dark web. for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on the screen we don't have. they're there for you, but you can of course go to our website gb news. e—commerce . our website gb news. e—commerce. >> it's saturday night and you're with the saturday five. i'm ben leo and i can promise you you're in for another very lively hour . let's crack on with lively hour. let's crack on with tonight's big interview. and this is a story which caught my eye this morning. the king's own official outer space adviser. yes, he has one. he says it's extremely likely we're not alone

in the universe . strange, odd in the universe. strange, odd looking, slightly creepy creatures with a set of beliefs, values and customs completely at odds with everything the rest of us hold dear. but enough about the labour and tory frontbenchers. what about those aliens? well, let's ask our unofficial outer space adviser, the brilliant andy lound. good evening andy. come on then, let's have it out. first of all, let's have it out. first of all, let's be frank. do aliens exist ? let's be frank. do aliens exist? are we alone in the universe? >> it's a matter of belief. >> it's a matter of belief. >> this was for scientists because we are actually here. an extraterrestrials in some respects are ourselves. because we exist in space. and the thought that the with all the trillion of stars out there, and the trillions of planets going around them, that life hasn't ansen around them, that life hasn't arisen anywhere else is just a ludicrous point of mathematics. so the answer is yes. there's got to be life out there somewhere, and there could even be microbe life still within our solar system on mars or the moons of jupiter and saturn. intelligent life is another issue. whether or not there is

intelligent beings out there, but it is likely that that has ansen but it is likely that that has arisen somewhere else in space and is somewhere out there. and most scientists, as the astronomer royal, pointed out to the king, most scientists actually believe that to be the case. the difficulty comes in actually finding it and identifying it . so to be identifying it. so to be a perfect hard core scientist , perfect hard core scientist, until we have absolute evidence for it, the answer remains no . for it, the answer remains no. but we do believe that it must have arisen somewhere else in the universe. >> yeah, it's a good point about, you know, life being intelligent. i mean, there's plenty of life on planet earth, but some would argue not very much of it is. is that intelligent, not least on pro—palestine protests every saturday. but tell us about this. the king's out of space advisor. i didn't even know he had such a thing. are >> it's not really the king's advisor. it's the astronomer royal. and this was originally set up, in order for an astronomical observatory, the royal observatory, to map the heavens, to make charts for the royal navy to navigate across the oceans . now, this has the oceans. now, this has evolved. this was part of the admiralty until about 1966, and

it really becomes part of the scientific establishment where the astronomer royal advises the government and works with other committees, such as the royal astronomical society, the royal society on matters of science , society on matters of science, and in particular the astronomer royal and in particular the astronomer royal, concentrates on matters relating to astronomy and issues relating to astronomy and issues relating to astronomy and issues relating to that. so it's a role that we've had here for quite a long time. and the king, if he has called him in to ask some advice on something which i think would be a very good idea for this particular king, who hasn't actually been very pro space science in in the past, hasn't actually been very pro space science in in the past , to space science in in the past, to get some advice from the astronomer royal. >> okay. i think, james, you've got a question for our man here. so as i understand it, we send as a as a species a signal out there into the cold, vast depths of space saying , here we are, of space saying, here we are, here we are. >> is anybody out there? do we think that's a sensible thing? because some benign civilisation out there might hear our cry and come along and bless us with wonderful new technology? or is it like pray bleating out and

saying to the arch predator, i'm out here, come and eat me? what do you think about that, a couple of things for that. first of all, we have sent some signals out deliberately . we've signals out deliberately. we've done that on purpose as a scientific experiment. and we also have some information on spacecraft which fly into space. however for, any possibility for intelligent species is going to be quite some distance away , and be quite some distance away, and it's going to take many years for our signals to reach them. and if we're right, with some of the assumptions we're taking from the observations we're making of nearby stars and the planets going around them, which do not appear to be habitable, it the, the stars and the planets could be thousands of light years away, which means the signals will take thousands of years to reach them. and then the aliens would have to cross that immense distance. so i don't think that in its sense is an immediate threat. also, we can't help it any way. we're bleeding our information out anyway. we're electromagnetic species. this program itself will drift into space and will continue drifting through space for some, perhaps

extraterrestrials, to pick it up at some point in the very far distant future . distant future. >> they probably launched an attack. andy, if they saw an episode of saturday vie, they'd probably try and get rid of us, you talked about aliens not being able to travel, distances. you know, many millions and millions of light years. but that's only according to our knowledge of science and space and time. who's to say that auens and time. who's to say that aliens or other species haven't cracked ? you know, the time cracked? you know, the time space, conundrum? that's a good question, the issue is, of course, is the laws of physics . course, is the laws of physics. we can only work within the laws of physics and the laws of physics that we fully understand to this point. and there's a very good, very, very good tv series variation of the war of the worlds, where the extraterrestrials actually worked within quantum, within a quantum concept . but that would quantum concept. but that would be something quite fantastic, but would be actually probably thousands of years ahead of where we are now with trying to understand such things. and people talk about wormholes and all these sort of things come into it, but we don't actually have the physics to do that. and the amount of energy required to create things like wormholes is absolutely vast . so it would be

absolutely vast. so it would be absolutely vast. so it would be a very, very different physics indeed that that would be very used to, to actually do that. we can't , of course, mitigate can't, of course, mitigate against that. you never know what extraterrestrials have, but the distances are staggering in real terms. i think it's people are very rarely get to understand just what the distances are involved, yeah. there's some fascinating youtube videos trying to articulate just how vast space is. and it's the universe is ever increasing , of course. >> james, another question a little closer to home. i'm obviously very interested in british politics, international politics, but will soon be getting more kind of astral politics going on as more and more satellites end up in space. and elon musk talks about making us a multi—planetary species and all these things. one thing i particularly worried about are these i think they're called lagrange points. lagrange points where you can stick something up into space and it sits equidistant between, say, the moon and the earth, and a perfect bit of gravity or wider bodies as well . and if, say, the bodies as well. and if, say, the chinese managed to stick up versions of the international

space station at these points, that could just sit there gives them a massive advantage, both out in space and closer to home. do you think that the uk, america, anybody else is paying enough attention to these kind of politics of space in, say, 50 or 100 years time, very good question . the outer space treaty question. the outer space treaty of 1967 is what we're governing at the moment with international organisations and organisations in countries like china, for instance, do follow those regulations very closely . and regulations very closely. and it's very interesting that russia tried to put forward a paper through the united nations recently, the security council, to ban outer space weapons, which was actually interesting rejected, which couldn't strange, but yes, i mean lagrange point, isn't that quite a serious serious a point as it we put space satellites up there to actually do the work. the webb telescope to lagrange point, for instance, but satellites could be placed in geostationary orbit, which are the more serious places to put things , and international things, and international communities are actually working together. but i think space politics and space legislation now needs to come forward because we're way out of date

from what we had. one of the interesting things we've got now is the private sector involved. and going to places like the moon and possibly even going to mars, and private companies will want to get minerals. lithium, for instance , helium three, for instance, helium three, which is an isotope of helium, which is an isotope of helium, which is an isotope of helium, which is available on the moon, not, available on the earth, which will be used for nuclear fusion reactors . so there's fusion reactors. so there's going to be a race out there. and it's not simply for the sake of it. there are commercial reasons for this, possibly grabbing the old high ground. and i think there needs to be a coming together for new legislation for nations to work more cooperatively in this field. it's interesting that even with the situations going on in ukraine, in russia and america are cooperating on international space station. >> all right, andy, thank you so much. really fascinating. one more thing i understand you've got to present us with. >> oh, dear. >> oh, dear. >> there we are . you've answered >> there we are. you've answered the question. he's there with you. what's his name? andy did you. what's his name? andy did you not see him? it's like a pantomime. he's behind you . good pantomime. he's behind you. good stuff. thank you. andy. thanks

for being with us. >> having me? thanks. >> having me? thanks. >> my theory has always been guys that. actually, i think auens guys that. actually, i think aliens probably walk among us. they they don't probably, you know, look like green lizards or reptilians . i think they reptilians. i think they probably take human form. but, benjamin, you're screwing your face. >> i was funny, weird, the way we imagine what aliens look like. because there is literally the most unfathomably bizarre creatures exist on planet earth, right? so they're not going to look as more weird than anything that actually does exist. but i always wonder, you know, the question is whether there is evidence of life out there and that it's withheld from us for our own benefit. >> i was going to ask that question because there are people who have reported they've got small alien bodies that they found that have been confiscated by governments. i think you're probably right. yeah. >> i think they might need interesting, look, i'm going to be honest, i don't i'm not a believer in, you know, it is rational to think there could be life in the massive. you know, universe somewhere. but i don't think that there up to someone's backyard while they're sat in

their volvo in milton keynes. right. why is it always that people who think they've seen auen people who think they've seen alien life, it looks just like e.t. or whatever they've seen and they drive it over? exactly. i mean, it's really quite implausible. well, there's a new spielberg in their identity, apparently there's a new edition or rendition of interstellar coming out in the next couple of years, so that'll be interesting. >> and actually, the most fascinating part of this story is the fact that the king has a some sort of official out of space pod. >> and so if you want to say what beer would would the aliens dnnk what beer would would the aliens drink interstellar. >> oh, yeah. good one. right. okay. on that note, it's officially summer. if you didn't know, it doesn't feel like it, but we've got a brand new summer giveaway £15,000 in cash to make your summer spectacular , plus your summer spectacular, plus a brand new iphone. apple ipods, rather, and an iphone and £500 to spend at the uk. attraction of your choice . so if you like of your choice. so if you like theme parks, visiting stately homes or a fancy spa day out, i know benjamin does. it could be on us. here's all the details you need to win.

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to you. still to come tonight in bunch of five we'll be asking if lbcc's presenter or former presenter now ian dale was right to quit as a parliamentary candidate for the tories . to quit as a parliamentary candidate for the tories. i don't know if you saw this, but there was an old clip unearthed about comments he made about the seats that he was standing in in tunbridge wells, basically said that he didn't want to live there because it was a bit of a dump. and elsewhere , as ed davey dump. and elsewhere, as ed davey been the star of the general election campaign so far. but next, it's almost time for the saturday scrap. doctor renee and paula london are about to squabble about whether we need to up our game when it comes to having more kids. you're with the saturday five live on

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life in the universe . peter says life in the universe. peter says aliens, of course there will be. but we have no idea how big the universe is or what's in it. we don't even know if it is in fact infinite. no idea of how many trillions of trillions of galaxies there are. do you seriously think earth is the only place life took hold? interesting. lisa says if there are any aliens out there, they are any aliens out there, they are clearly intelligent because they've seen us and don't want to know. good point. and english dragon says that, but that butterworth character looks and acts totally alien to me, that butterworth character. what do you make of that? benjamin i'm trying to think of a witty retort, but i'm all used on the interstellar joke. there we go. interstellarjoke. there we go. >> okay, we'll move on swiftly. it's time for this. >> okay, we'll move on swiftly. it's time for this . all right. it's time for this. all right. ding ding ding. this is tonight's main event. should we be encouraging brits to have more children? pro—natalist those who believe our future depends on us producing more kids have warned today that the

country won't grow and will face severe labour shortages unless more children are born. it comes, of course, as the ons statistics show that the uk birth rate fell to a very lowly 1.49 children per woman in 2022. that's the lowest since records beganin that's the lowest since records began in 1939. so should we all get reproducing to save the nation, or are there alternative methods we need to employ? well, let's see what doctor renee and paula london think about this. seconds out. it's round one. >> shall i kick off? because i absolutely believe that the pro—natalist are right, and we should be encouraging women to have more children , not just have more children, not just from the point of view that having a child , as i've done having a child, as i've done twice, is one of the best things that a woman can ever do. it's the meaning of life. it's the reason that we're here. and if a woman can do it, she generally feels richer after it. however, having said that, it's expensive to have children. so we need, as a country, as a government to encourage women to have children, to be mothers, to stay

at home if they want to, they want to go to work. that's fine as well. but we need to actually provide both childcare for workplace, and we also need to give women an incentive to stay at home. let's pay them to do what nature intended us to do, to be mothers, to enjoy it and to be mothers, to enjoy it and to relish it. and that way we prepare ourselves for the future. we have a workforce that can actually provide our pensions because we have an ageing population and there is no pot when you're elderly. the money comes from what we're earning and paying tax today. so yes, we need women to have more children, otherwise we won't exist in 100 years time. >> okay, well firstly, you're making a big assumption that everyone that has children, these children go on to work . these children go on to work. some of them don't go on to work. all they do is cost the taxpayer a lot of money. we do have the lowest birth rate in decades and decades. but what we do have, interestingly enough, is the highest birth rate of people having children that were not born in the uk. people having children that were not born in the uk . so some not born in the uk. so some people are coming over to this country. some of them are not. i'm going to be honest, don't have any intention of working and they're having plenty of

children. and if your parents don't work often, the children don't work often, the children don't work. so we're not really going to help the workforce. all we're going to do is bankrupt the country. if like hundreds of thousands of people decide to have children when they have no intention of working. also, not all women want to have children. women. i wasn't put on this earth to have children . if earth to have children. if i would have found the right guy, maybe i would have had a child. i could still have a child but haven't met the right guy. and i don't feel the need. not all women want to have children . and women want to have children. and another very big point is not all women should have children . all women should have children. a lot of women have children and they're terrible mothers. so no, we don't just encourage people just because you have a uterus. that's it. you need to have a child. that's what you'll put on the on this earth to do. and also i do. i do worry that a lot of people do want to have children, especially british families, but they feel like they can't afford them because many years ago you could easily have a father going to work , have a father going to work, doing a very normal job, and you could buy a house. now that's impossible. and a lot of mums

and dads or two dads or two mothers feel it's unfair to have children if you don't have a home, if you don't own a home, because it's scary. so i, i do believe that two people in committed relationships, especially if they're married , especially if they're married, if one of them is working, the government should help them . if government should help them. if they want to have a child so they want to have a child so they can bring a child , into the they can bring a child, into the country, of course. yeah. >> so you know, everything you raise is valid, but all of these things need to be fixed. >> you know, as a society that cares about you can't fix if someone doesn't want to charge, you can't force them. i didn't say you should force a woman to have a child. what? i said was, all of the points you raise can be fixed so we can educate people on how to be better parents and we should be doing that anyway. >> people don't have it in them. >> people don't have it in them. >> well, you don't know that. >> well, you don't know that. >> i do know that my mother didn't actually want me. if you really want to go there. my mother wanted a boy. she wasn't a very good mother to me. so. okay but we can educate parents to be better children, to raise their to raise their children properly. >> we need to do that anyway

because people need help. we can actually help people get on the housing ladder. we can actually decide to make work pay so that people can actually do the jobs that they need to supply their family with what they need so that they can actually grow. you know, all women were put on or to have children. that's why they have a uterus, whether they choose no, no, whether they choose no, no, whether they choose not to or or to do so is a choice. but actually the facility to do so is there. it's in all of us. so all of these things are fixable. and actually if we incentivise women to actually maybe instead of having just child care on offer, we actually paid women to have their next child and stay at home. many more would choose to do it. >> if we don't know, it's so wrong at the moment. have a child at the moment, career people will do it for money. >> korea, for example, no longer produces enough babies to actually replace itself. korea will be finished south korea actually south korea will be finished because they can't actually produce enough children to replace those who are dying . to replace those who are dying. we are rapidly going that way. we are rapidly going that way. we need to replace the people that are dying, obviously not rapidly going that way because

as i mentioned at the beginning of this, we've got the highest birth rate we've ever had. >> people have. well, we don't no, no, they were not born in this country. >> i'm going to interject here. i'm going to i'm going to be the referee and come in the middle here we have the lowest birth rate that decades. >> and i said, we've got the lowest birth that we've had in decades. but the highest birth rate of people having children that were not born in the uk. and we've got a huge immigration problem. so it's not going to be that low if people keep coming over to this country. >> so, so, so why wouldn't you want to protect the integrity of the indigenous population by incentivising the british, to incentivise by incentivising brits to have kids, to have a baby. >> let's give him a few quid to have a baby. why not? because some women don't want children. you're forcing them. they'll be bad mothers. >> don't say force anyone. you say incentivise. >> you can fix it. not every woman should be a mother. i feel very so. >> so you have address the real issue of, you know, uncontrolled mass migration. and at the same time, brits aren't having kids. so what's the solution? >> the solution is, as i've already said, everything out. if you have like i don't think there's a mum and a dad never worked in their whole life. right? we want to have kids.

you've only got two. we want to have ten. give me some money so i can. have ten. give me some money so ican.so have ten. give me some money so i can. so what's the solution? all day? those people shouldn't have more. >> what's the solution then? >> what's the solution then? >> okay, if one person is working, either a mother or a father or one of the guys, if they're a gay relationship or whatever. if there's two lesbians, if one person is working. well, listen, i'm just trying. i don't want to offend anyone. come on, spit it out. listen, if one person is working, then the government can help. incentives size them, give them some money. but at least one needs to work. not only that is bad. not only that, because i want the children to grow up with a mum or dad that works, so that will incentivise them to work. if people keep on having children, when the mum and dad are sitting on their backside on benefits all day, they're going to produce more kids that are not okay. >> james, what do you reckon about elon musk? he said that the plummeting birth rate around the plummeting birth rate around the world, not just in the uk, but italy, japan, elsewhere asia is the a bigger existential threat to humanity than climate change. >> he's 100% change. >> he's100% right. so in britain, we are we're not having as many children as we say that we want. so it's not about forcing people, but most people in britain say they want to have many more children than they're having . and part of that is

having. and part of that is a housing crisis. part of it is money and all these sorts of things. but it's also a cultural problem around the rest of the world, with the exception of a few countries in sub—saharan africa, it's mostly nigeria. we now have negative birth rates in every other country. that's the case in china and they're really suffering the results of the one child policy. and then they've completely reversed that. and in some bits of india, which we think of as now, it has the highest population in the world. it has a lower birth reproduction rate than the uk does. so we say right now we're an ageing population . and the an ageing population. and the state pension, as the adam smith institute has worked out, is probably going to go insolvent in about nine, about 11 years time. we can't we can't just fix this by importing many more people because they themselves get older and they're not also being replaced in other countries. and do you know what international problem. >> there's many reasons why people don't have kids. i get it, you can't, afford houses, you haven't got a safe roof over your head, etc. et cetera, etc. however, it does also coincide with the fact that younger generations, more than any before, are having the least amount of sex ever. people just aren't going out and meeting partners and, you know, having a fun time with them and, you

know, more importantly, getting into strong, stable relationships. >> well, my sister has done her bit for the british population because she has nine children, which is quite extraordinary. >> i said even snow white only had seven dwarves. you know, you've really gone over, you've got to have one. >> then. have you got any thoughts or plans to have one? >> my sister always wanted to be a midwife and i said, you know, you're meant to deliver other women's babies. not just not just so many of your own, but i do think, look, i, i think immigration is part of the answer to this. we simply have a demographic problem that we have the biggest proportion, because this is happening around the whole world. >> this is happening in all these other countries as well as these other countries as well as these people themselves get older themselves and as their parents back in these countries get older, they will find themselves moving back to these places , with the exception of places, with the exception of sub—saharan africa, which is behind a lot of other development curves. and may we may see that that gets tailed off as well. this is a worldwide problem. this is happening in every developed country. and as soon as countries develop a little bit, their birth rates plummet as well. it's not even about policy. it is worldwide. >> cultural immigration is the answer to us for this in this country at the moment. because, you know, i don't i find it hard

to believe that if you get to 80 years old that you would turn down your pension because it was funded by workers who who they themselves or their parents moved to this country, all right, as long as they're working. >> but some people are coming over here and not working to fact check what your last point, the percentage of non—british born people in this country who work is higher than british born. >> so the number of immigrants said that the number of immigrants who said that is higher than the number of brits. >> but you misheard what i said. we should be glad. no, no, people don't tend to come to not work. they come here to that's where you're wrong, because asylum seekers only you are wrong because only 50% of asylum seekers work once they get the leave to remain. so 78% of people born here work 82 asylum seekers. so they're not all coming here. there are lies. damn lies and statistics on this. >> but you've got a point where if you have hundreds of thousands of times, if you have hundreds of thousands of low skilled people coming into the country, and there's no checks and balance on that, but there is an awful lot of costs on developing new robotics and new ways to increase productivity . ways to increase productivity. then, of course, people will just have let's have lots of

cheap labour coming in, but that bnngs cheap labour coming in, but that brings its own social problems as well. housing problems. >> okay, fascinating debate. >> okay, fascinating debate. >> i'm going to go and get benjamin and paula some boxing gloves so they can i wait. >> i use to be a boxer actually. >> i use to be a boxer actually. >> oh there we go. she's done everything. but still ahead we answer some questions. we answer some questions. >> oh my god. >> oh my god. >> from our wonderful viewers and ask the five. but next in bunch of five liz truss. do you remember her? she says she's not our worst ever prime minister. but who else could she have in mind? and has this guy been the runaway star of the general election campaign so far? sir ed davey if you can't see for radio listeners, there he is on a paddleboard , falling off on paddleboard, falling off on a bike, looking very un agile and unimpressive. but anyway, look, you with the saturday five live on gb news, we're back in

tick. benjamin's just been given a black eye by paula london affair. there we go. you can't quite see it. the glasses are covering it. but she gave him a good old chin. anyway, welcome back to the saturday five. as always, thanks for your emails about tonight's topics. dave says we have more working age population now than 14 years ago. what's the problem? loads of tripe about having more children, i don't think there's a load of old people . a load of old people. >> where are they going to live? >> where are they going to live? >> all these children. benjamin, behave. >> go! one week without attacking on people, please. susan, you say there are far too many humans on this planet already. nobody mentions the wildlife who lose their habitat because of all the housebuilding that's taking place . we're not

that's taking place. we're not the only species on the planet, okay? come by our. but. but margaret says, i'm only joking, paula , margaret says paula, paula, margaret says paula, paula's talking about worst case possibilities. working people can sort themselves out . the can sort themselves out. the doctor renee is right. we absolutely do need more. why do you want more children? >> the parents aren't working. i don't get that. >> well, it's either that paula, i guess, or humanity is going to be wiped off the face of the earth. >> it's not going to wipe out, is it? okay. >> it's time. >> it's time. >> the aliens at that point. >> the aliens at that point. >> it's time now for this. >> it's time now for this. >> so i'll kick off here. liz truss has said in an interview with her local newspaper that she's not the worst prime minister we've ever had, and she says instead it's tony blair for passing all kinds of horrible legislation. and i think gordon brown for following up things like the equality act, all kinds of stuff as well. i would say my worst ever prime minister, clement attlee. everyone thinks he's very excellent . but clement attlee. everyone thinks he's very excellent. but his was the town and country planning act that's built the kind of housing crisis we've got today

and set the welfare state into such an unsustainable way. i could be exciting and pick a 19th century leader like pitt for the best. but i'm going to go with margaret thatcher. >> benjamin, you would scoff at liz truss claim that blair was worse than her, but do you know what many people would agree his legacy? i mean, the number one being uncontrolled mass migration, he was the one who opened the floodgates to the problems we see today. opened the floodgates to the problems we see today . she's got problems we see today. she's got a point, hasn't she, liz. >> i mean, she's not worth scoffing at. you know, most people can barely remember who liz truss is. they're very fact that she has to answer the question of whether she's the worst prime minister probably tells you all you need to know about her reputation . i mean, about her reputation. i mean, you know, liz truss wasn't just the worst prime minister, which is what most tory mps clearly thought, let alone swing voters. so they're about to tell you what they think, but also, you know, she's the worst post, prime minister. the lack of dignity, the lack of respect for the office that she goes around the office that she goes around the world making, you know , the world making, you know, silly and insulting comments about britain. >> she's pathetic because she doesn't toe the line of the, you know, elite political metropolitan establishment. she's brave enough to stick her head above the parapet and

voters are about to get their say on whether they, like the liz truss project and what's happened under the last five years. >> it's very democratic. >> it's very democratic. >> the way they got rid of her, though, was it? >> well, i mean, it was because we have a parliamentary democracy. >> well, many people thought she was stitched up. she was voted in by the members and the members. >> patrician renee, the least popular tory leader ever elected. she was the only one that got below, 60. i think it was. >> she got through all right. >> she got through all right. >> renee, what's your topic? >> renee, what's your topic? >> so this week, the politicians have been out talking to the country about their plan for the country about their plan for the country on their election buses. >> they've been from every corner of the country to, to explain in words what they're going to do . apart from ed going to do. apart from ed davey, who has decided that, you know, words are cheap and he preferred to hop on a paddle board , sit on a bike and fly board, sit on a bike and fly down a hill with his legs out wide . wide. >> he's taken a lot of stick for this, but he's just having fun, isn't he? he's showing some character. rishi sunak sir keir starmer. they get accused of being robots and you know, droids. but isn't ed davey just having a laugh? well, maybe he's found what the british public really want. >> or is politics now completely

hollow, doesn't he? >> i just think he's so cringeworthy looking at the things he's been doing. >> i can't even watch him. i mean, i would never forgive him because of the post office scandal anyway, so anything he does, i'm just not happy. >> okay, i think he's a laughing stock. >> no one knew who ed davey was a few weeks ago. the only chance they'd heard of him was that post office scandal, and that's not very helpful. so if it gets him in the news and it gets reminds people the lib dems exist and, well, i have no manifesto because all they can do is jump on a paddle. >> i once chased him down outside parliament and asked him if women can have penises. he said yes, of course. so oh my god, make of that what you will. right my turn now. i don't know if you saw this earlier today, but dating site ashley madison. it's not just a dating site, it's an illicit affair website for married people who want to have affairs, but they've revealed the professionals who are most likely to cheat on their partners. any guesses? very quickly. >> see, i would have said surgeons even though i've got one at home, i said members of parliament, mps. >> yeah, okay. >> yeah, okay. >> probably mps. >> probably mps. >> well , the answer for the >> well, the answer for the females. the females are women. most likely to cheat are medical assistants and nurses. and in the male list is it or tech

workers also tradies, sparkies, carpenters. they were top of the male list as well. >> i've had people try it on with me like builders that come round and i'm like, no, i'm not interested. and i was like, do you always ask women? they go, yeah, most of them say, yeah, even the married ones. that's what the guys told me. i can't believe it. >> also, by the way, the near the top of the female list was housewives or single parents who stay at home. so, you know, lonely housewives stereotype coming into play. >> there wasn't the tragedy with this site that it said, are you going be able to find someone to have an affair with? and it turned out there were 21 million men on there and about 14,000 women. >> yeah, busy women are . >> yeah, busy women are. >> yeah, busy women are. >> is it is it ever okay to i went to i did my degree at the lse which turned out to be the number one university on a sugar daddy website. >> so, you know, which is interesting cause it's also a lot of very bright young women, i suspect, with the main purpose. so, you know, the idea that it might be a surgeon or an mp, you know, just because they've got a good job doesn't mean they've got good self control. >> i know a guy that used to use

ashley madison, but he was actually single, but he's pretended he was married for some reason and he met two women. >> okay, so he do women like the allure of a married man? >> i wouldn't date a married man. >> okay, that's good of you. very noble. >> loads of women do, don't they?i >> loads of women do, don't they? i mean, i would. >> paula, what's your topic? >> paula, what's your topic? >> my topic is in doubt. i was very surprised he stood down. he was . he very surprised he stood down. he was. he wanted to be a conservative mp. he's always wanted to be an mp all of his life. he's obviously a radio presenter now . he tried to presenter now. he tried to become an mp in 2005, didn't make it , so he become an mp in 2005, didn't make it, so he stood up for tunbridge wells and then some footage, resurfaced that he said two years ago, saying that he would leave tunbridge wells if he could, and he actually lives in the vicinity. so rather than be a man, be strong and stand. he decided to quit. >> okay, well, let's listen to that footage. this is ian dale, formerly the lbc presenter. i assume he'll probably go back to his job now that he's not standing. but this is the footage that got him in a little bit of hot water. >> and that. my partner comes from tunbridge wells and can't really imagine living anywhere else. i've never liked the

place, still don't. and would would happily live somewhere else . else. >> should that disqualify him? i know he wasn't officially booted out, but i do wonder whether the conservatives said ian, you know, i think maybe step back because it's probably not going to work out. >> he also said he was worried about other things. he may have said that would be resurfaced as well. >> benjamin. >> benjamin. >> yeah, but do you know what i reckon? if every mp were honest, then there would be a lot more than just ian dale that wasn't putting themselves forward because they don't like the area. most of them, some of them have never been to the area before. they selected . before. they selected. >> did he not have just stood up and said, i did say that. but as and said, i did say that. but as an mp, i'm going to make it better. >> yeah, you're going to get an awful lot more abuse. much, much worse than that. doors being slammed in your face through to everything else. and wonderfully actually. the conservatives have just selected an amazing candidate for tunbridge wells this evening. i'm sure he's going to go and i think ian dale would have been a decent conservative candidate. >> i mean, definitely compared to some of the, you know, the previous wets we've seen in recent years, turns out they only need 66 candidates. so it won't. >> benjamin. mine is about an

employment tribunal this week that found that mispronouncing somebody's name can count as unwanted conduct. so a man and i was going to say his name, but then i got really nervous that i'd pronounce his name wrong . so i'd pronounce his name wrong. so i'm not going to say it, but he's been awarded £9,000 because this kept happening in the workplace. now, renee , you've workplace. now, renee, you've got an unusual name. >> i'm going to say when you go through life being called renee hoenderkamp, you just expect people to pronounce your name wrongly . i once worked with wrongly. i once worked with robert maxwell on a launch of the london daily news and we sat on the first day waiting for phone calls. somebody answered the first phone call and called across the office. i've got a call here for renee hoenderkamp . call here for renee hoenderkamp. >> oh my god, i'm used to it. it's normal. it's fine. >> renee, did anyone at school ever call you, for example, like renee sophie reaper or anything? >> they call me grenade. >> they call me grenade. >> grenade ? okay. >> grenade? okay. >> grenade? okay. >> why? >> why? >> well, they said i was quite fiery and renee rhymed with grenade for they call me grenade people. >> i've been called chicken farm because a honda in dutch is chicken. >> i mean, paula, you changed your surname that you go by

because you don't like it . because you don't like it. >> yeah i do, these are sensitive topics. >> well, i used to work in pr, and i just think for a branding point of view, i'm very patriotic. i live in london and my last name, i'm not going to tell anyone, but it's quite difficult to say so. and this, my name has a. >> were you mocked for it or anything like that? >> no, i wasn't mocked for it. i was mocked for my hair colour at school. i'm naturally a redhead. so my last name is ginger. yes benjamin, you make a point there. >> you were worried about saying the name wrong, so you stopped doing it. and this is what always happens that you get people now in the workplace who are very, very nervous about doing anything wrong. so they go down formal channels immediately and then that sets everybody off and then that sets everybody off and sets more tensions and all the problem. >> i'm awful with names and people do it to me. they say hello, they call me leo in emails. leo, ben, it's ben. leo. get it right. >> that's a lovely name. it's very catchy. >> thank you. called benjamin butterworth, which sounds like something straight out of a dickens novel. so does okay. >> quite nice. >> quite nice. >> still ahead is the part of the show where you take charge as we answer all of your questions in ask the five, nothing is off limits. get those questions those quesfionsin those

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gremlins in the system because we've got leo kearse saturday night showdown graphics in the background. that's coming up. cracking show . but let's see cracking show. but let's see what you've got for us this week on the saturday five david says an assistant in our local library in bideford bideford looks just like benjamin butterworth's twin brother . each butterworth's twin brother. each week as i return my books, i wonder if i should tell him about this, but can't decide if he would be flattered or mortified to learn, or if he'd just call security to kick me out. knowing i watched gb news. what do you think, benjamin, well, i can't believe there's someone so handsome in bideford . someone so handsome in bideford. you know, there is another person with the name benjamin butterworth, who's an academic , butterworth, who's an academic, and i often feel sorry for him because he he gets so many tweets of people saying they can't bear me. so this poor guy in edinburgh , but yeah, you in edinburgh, but yeah, you should secretly working in a library in bideford in the week your your side hustle to top up your your side hustle to top up your gb news salary. exactly. yeah.i your gb news salary. exactly. yeah. i think i think that maybe is what it is, but but, but no, i mean, i used to get bullied for looking like harry potter, but, you know, i think i've, i don't know if i've outgrown that. i think i've outgrown that in weight wise. >> okay. right. angela writes in, she says , i'm so fed up with

in, she says, i'm so fed up with this useless british weather. i'm booking a holiday tomorrow. i'm booking a holiday tomorrow. ifancy i'm booking a holiday tomorrow. i fancy somewhere new. do you guys have any recommendations ? guys have any recommendations? i've just got back off holiday, i've just got back off holiday, i went to corfu very nice. not too hot. greece is lovely in spring. it was about 25, 26 degrees, so it depends how far you want to travel, i suppose. anyone else? >> so i've just come back from the south of spain, in between marbella and malaga. that's very nice as well. >> and the gran is lovely in that area. >> summer has arrived there, and we've learned, of course, that if you want to take your inflatable penis along and you can't take it to anywhere in spain, but go to the united states of america, go be there with our special relationship cousins and i you know, i mentioned it earlier, but i love going to dangerous countries, so i'm, i'm that's on the cards and i'm, i'm that's on the cards and i'm hoping to go to north korea. he's not joking. it's my dream. >> he was telling me earlier he's planning on going to syria and afghanistan. and of course, if viewers don't know benjamin, is it a few weeks ago, he got back from yemen. yemen? >> i checked across yemen. i lost some weight. so i don't know if your librarian looks as slim as i do now. and then i went to lebanon, to beirut and

to tripoli. >> benjamin, this this is a serious question. did you feel over there in yemen, particularly, that you had to hide your sexuality? if you don't mind me asking, you've just outed me . that's jul, i just outed me. that's jul, i don't know, serious question. >> these countries literally kill gay people, right? but i don't think that should be a reason to stop me experiencing the world. but also, the truth is, countries that are that anti gay, they don't even recognise that gay people exist. so the kind of traits that you'd see, you know, if you bumped into someone in a coffee shop, you'd think, oh, are they gay? it's just not even on the radar of people in countries like yemen. >> well, you're very brave. i love your sense of adventure, another email. this is from michael. he says i love robert de niro's films, but my friend says she hasn't seen any of them other than shark tale, which ones would you recommend? she starts with, i don't think i've seen any. isis starts with, i don't think i've seen any. is is meet the fockers one of them, god , is that robert one of them, god, is that robert de niro? >> yeah. it is, yeah. no. you want to. you want to watch taxi driver? you want to watch raging bull? you wanna watch cape fear? don't watch bad grandpa. don't watch anything that he's now doing just to get the paycheques

in his old age. don't do that. but just all the original gangster films. >> goodfellas. yeah. >> goodfellas. yeah. >> goodfellas. yeah. >> goodfellas. yeah, yeah. >> goodfellas. yeah, yeah. >> raging bulls . >> raging bulls. >> raging bulls. >> yeah, yeah, i've never seen any of these, but, i mean, some people. >> come on, never know. >> come on, never know. >> maybe it's just our age. >> maybe it's just our age. >> i, i don't watch films. i just watch the news. but the reason some people, he's on the news this week. >> which is why i know you said you wanted a relationship. okay selling yourself. >> the reason people are angry is because he was protesting against donald trump and got into a bit. >> we've got 30s 30 hills on his shoes. >> okay. 30s left . tessa says my >> okay. 30s left. tessa says my new chap is coming round for dinner tomorrow. he made me some awesome pasta the other night. i haven't got a clue how to top it. what should she make for a nice steak? >> i love steak, margarita cannot duck in orange juice and a bunch of other things and let it marinate and that'll be amazing. benjamin. >> some soy i reckon. i would take the advice of the editor of vogue, who says that she never has garlic at events because no one likes garlic breath. >> so i'd just start with that rule. >> it's okay if you both have it. >> i renee i used to love steak, but i've really gone off red for

meat some reason. i'm not sure why, but anyway, that's it for tonight. thanks to our guests, james renee paula, and of course, benjamin . darren's back course, benjamin. darren's back next week. next up though, it's the brilliant leo kearse with the brilliant leo kearse with the saturday night showdown. thanks again for watching. see you again next week. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news >> hello! here's your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. we hold on to a lot of fine weather across the uk over the next day or so, but as we go into the new working week, things will turn a bit cooler and more unsettled from the north. high pressure is dominating at the moment, the high located just to the west of the uk, but that's keeping things pretty quiet weather wise and certainly as we head into the evening we hold on to a lot of fine dry weather cloud tended to melt away across england and wales, so plenty of clear weather as we go into the early hours of sunday. we'll see 1 or 2 mr fog patches forming by sunday morning and notice some rain just pushing into the far north—west of the uk by the early hours of sunday, two towns

and city temperatures hold up quite well, generally near double figures, but in some rural spots we could dip down to 2 or 3 celsius so we could see a touch of frost in 1 or 2 very rural spots. by sunday morning. so sunday gets off to a pretty fine start across the east and south—east of scotland. lots of sunshine around, but notice out towards the west and northwest, thicker cloud bringing some outbreaks of rain and that cloud of rain will also work its way in across parts of northern ireland. so some patchy rain here as we start sunday. but for england and wales, it's set fair. plenty of sunshine around, pretty much unbroken sunshine in places, just a legacy of some low cloud to clear from the far south—east first thing in the morning. during the rest of the day on sunday, those outbreaks of rain in the north—west will gradually start to migrate further south and east across other parts of scotland, across northern ireland, eventually reaching the far north—west of england by the very end of the day. east of scotland and down towards the south—east, and two for much of england and wales. lots of sunshine here and again feeling quite warm in that sunshine, particularly towards the south—east of england. highs here are 23, possibly even 24 celsius. that's into the mid 70s in fahrenheit. always a bit

cooler though, towards the north—west. given that cloud and rain, the band of cloud and rain edges further south into england and wales as we go into monday. to the south of that brighter skies, 1 or 2 showers and much brighter weather, but turning cooler too. across the north of scotland with highs up to 19 or 20 celsius across the south of the uk nearer the low to mid teens further north, generally turning more unsettled and cooler during the week ahead, though . though. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather

gb news. >> very good evening to you. you're watching and listening to gb news with me. sam francis, a look at the headlines at 11. and we start with a roundup of today's election news. as battle lines are being drawn in the fight for votes , both the fight for votes, both the conservatives and labour launched their election battle buses earlier today. sir keir starmer has been dodging questions about diane abbott, while rishi sunak denied accusations that he's been trying to buy votes with a promise of funding for towns, the 100 towns across our country. >> they're going to receive £20 million each. and, crucially , it million each. and, crucially, it will be local. people in all those areas are in charge of how to spend that money, to make sure it's spent and invested on their priorities. an example of us levelling up everywhere, backing local people and their priorities and giving them the