me in the next hour, joining me in the next hour, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly arne slot gb news is senior political editor. nigel nelson . now, in a few moments, nelson. now, in a few moments, we'll be going head to head in the clash with the chairman of the clash with the chairman of the national jewish assembly, gary mond, and also journalist jonathan lewis. they will be clashing hopefully in a little while. but is this a tiktok election in uk.7 parties while. but is this a tiktok election in uk? parties have been posting on social media platforms to promote their own party. is this a new age of elections? then nana nigel today has britain lost its greatness ? has britain lost its greatness? the election, the royal family, the army, nothing seems to be great anymore. but whose fault is it? stay tuned for 5:00. i'll be joined by my outside guests. they are a mystery. i'll give you some clues. she's the only actress in the uk who has appeared in every major tv soap in the last 30 years, as a regular character. who is she? she'll be live at five, but before we get started, let's get your latest news headlines .

your latest news headlines. >> good afternoon. it's 3:01. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. first, let's take you straight to scotland, where snp leader john swinney is straight to scotland, where snp leaderjohn swinney is launching leader john swinney is launching the party's general election campaign . campaign. >> of course, this starts with listening , and this >> of course, this starts with listening, and this is what >> of course, this starts with listening , and this is what most listening, and this is what most people in scotland are telling us. they want rid of this disaster . truss chaotic tory disaster. truss chaotic tory government. they want a party. they want a party that's laser focused on their concerns, a party that's going to help them and their families live happier, healthier lives . and their families live happier, healthier lives. in and their families live happier, healthier lives . in other words, healthier lives. in other words, they want a party that puts their interests first. they want a party that puts scotland's interests first. and for the snp, as the party of

independence, that is a clear task. they have set for us to demonstrate why achieving independence is relevant and indeed vital to their core concerns. so let me take each of those . tory government putting those. tory government putting scotland's interests first and winning the decision making powers that come with independence. firstly . firstly, independence. firstly. firstly, getting rid of the tories . never getting rid of the tories. never has a party demonstrated why they should be removed from office more than rishi sunak tory party . tory party. the latest fees in their desperate struggle for survival is to bring back national service , the national national service, the national service. the snp is going to perform for scotland is to remove this tory government from

. office. in scotland, the snp is the challenger in every single tory held seat . so the electoral held seat. so the electoral maths is clear. if you want rishi sunak out of downing street, vote for the scottish national party. to put it bluntly, across the uk, the tories are on course for a huge defeat. a wipe—out . voters in defeat. a wipe—out. voters in england are going to send them packing . that is not in doubt . packing. that is not in doubt. and that begs the question what kind of change if any, is that going to mean at westminster ? going to mean at westminster? now, i'm not saying that labour are exactly the same as the tories. they're not. but they are giving an awfully good impression of them . the only

impression of them. the only substantive change labour seem to be offering is to change their own principles . and let me their own principles. and let me give you one really telling and worrying example . their health worrying example. their health spokesman wes streeting the man who in a few weeks time will be the uk government's health secretary, last week set out his plans for the nhs. he criticised the tories on the issue of the nhs and the private sector . the tories on the issue of the nhs and the private sector. fair enough, you might say. bad news. he was not criticising the tories for using the private sector too much. he was criticising the tories for not using the private sector enough . using the private sector enough. he went on to say he wanted to go further than tony blair's new labour and he wrote i want the nhs to form partnerships with the private sector that goes beyond just hospitals . that

beyond just hospitals. that sounds an awful lot like creeping privatisation of the nhs to me . let creeping privatisation of the nhs to me. let me be creeping privatisation of the nhs to me . let me be absolutely nhs to me. let me be absolutely crystal clear. the snp rejects privatisation of the nhs, whether that is tory privatisation or labour privatisation or labour privatisation . privatisation. and this is why it matters to scotland . in another interview, scotland. in another interview, the very same spokesman also said this. all roads lead back to westminster because even though this is devolved , though this is devolved, decisions taken in westminster have an impact on the nhs across the whole country . if there is the whole country. if there is creeping privatisation of the nhs , or if labour do not nhs, or if labour do not

increase investment in the nhs increase investment in the nhs in england, our precious national health service faces a very bleak future. that's why i'm asking people in scotland to unite on july the 4th and vote snp to protect scotland's national health service . this. national health service. this. labour's tacked to the right is designed to win votes in england . they don't seem to care too much about scotland, though they think scotland is in the bag. what other explanation could there be to allow them to select a candidate who said this about criminal people smugglers? and i quote , why don't you send the quote, why don't you send the smuggler gangs and put them on the barge that has been set aside for asylum seekers, and ship the barge up to the north

of scotland ? who cares? well, of scotland? who cares? well, i'll tell you, who cares . the i'll tell you, who cares. the snp cares. >> that's who cares. that that is of course, john swinney. he's talking live. there for the snp . talking live. there for the snp. well, if you just joined us, welcome to gb news. i'm nana christmas coming up to eight minutes after 3:00. now before we get stuck into the debates over the next hour, let me introduce you to my clashers joining me, gary monde . he's the joining me, gary monde. he's the chairman of the national and jewish assembly and also jonathan lewis. now this is what's coming up today are the digital campaigns winning over voters? 1 in 10 adults use tiktok for news in 2023, putting it on a par with the guardian social media platform. tiktok is proving influential in this election. we'll take a look at some of the videos that are being posted, then a second private school has blamed labour's tax raid for its closure. sir keir starmer has promised to charge private schools 20% vat, as well as end

business rates relief if he comes into power after the general election. the lib dems have attacked the government's record on health and are promising to reverse £1 billion of conservative cuts . the party of conservative cuts. the party says it would fund local services by cracking down on tax evasion , and the prime minister evasion, and the prime minister has pledged that state pensions will never be taxed in a policy being dubbed as the triple lock plus , that's as health secretary plus, that's as health secretary victoria atkins claimed that labour has been silent about their plans for pensions. well, that's all coming up. there's a lot to digest. tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. send me your comments, your views, gbnews.com/yoursay . on. right. gbnews.com/yoursay. on. right. so welcome to my election connection. so let's have a look because i talked about tiktok. so let's have a look. is this a tiktok election? is the question i'm asking because all the parties are using it. i mean, let's take a look at the labour party's what they're doing on tiktok. >> looking for a new prime

minister? big plans, good vibes. change lives. big plans. goodbyes >> arne slot . >> arne slot. >> arne slot. >> yes, there's a sort of sharp cutting in clips of labour and keir starmer and all that kind of thing going on with their tiktok. who are they trying to attract? maybe the young voters that they were maybe bringing in to be able to vote if they come in 16, 17 year to be able to vote if they come in 16,17 year olds? but a lot in 16, 17 year olds? but a lot of people are on tiktok. right. let's take a look at the conservatives next. now they have a very interesting campaign. take a listen . so. so what you had there was some interesting sort of fairground music and then some, some, some questions about the different policies . but the different policies. but the conservatives were focusing on what labour's policies were and

on the health one. they had a very confused looking wes streeting at the bottom of it. so it's just just, you know, kind of taking the mickey out of the labour party policies. that was the conservatives. let's take a look at the lib dems. now. this again , you know, ed now. this again, you know, ed davey ed davey has been falling and eating and doing all sorts of things. this is their tiktok campaign online. >> are you in or are you out in or out of what. >> no time for questions. just action. in or out okay. >> well then i'm out i'm sorry jet actually you're already in. >> okay then why would you ask me. because i thought you would go i'm in bob. >> we would have had a really cool moment. but you kind of ruined the whole thing. >> dwayne johnson and kevin hart having a heart to heart by the looks of it. okay so that's the lib dems. this is reform. this is what they're doing on tiktok. everyone's doing it. have a look at this. >> it's a matter of absolute principle. you shouldn't make money from mental health and that it money from mental health and thatitis money from mental health and that it is a matter of principle. it's an absolute matter of principle that that's

been underused. and we could do more of it. that would clear, you know, 230,000 people off the waiting list. so more youth every year, private sector in the nhs under labour. >> yes . >> yes. >> yes. >> so they focused on the flip flops, keir starmer flip flops. we've also got the greens now this is what they're doing on tiktok. our heart is made to do . tiktok. our heart is made to do. >> but you've got to make your own kind of music. see your. >> that's what the greens are doing, but listen , what do you doing, but listen, what do you think? what are your thoughts on these campaigns? are they wise to be using social media in this way? well, joining me now is political correspondent katherine forster. catherine, there's been a lot going on there's been a lot going on there using all of the tiktok stuff , and you've also been there using all of the tiktok stuff, and you've also been on the battle bus, haven't you, with the lib dems? i think it was. or were you on with the lib dems? >> no, i've been on the new conservative battle bus

yesterday, which was unveiled in redcar very nice. it was two and we've been hearing a lot on tiktok and elsewhere about the labour battle bus. i think. let's have a look at angela rayner showing off her fridge . rayner showing off her fridge. hey, come on guys, we're going on the bus. >> so it's a big bus. >> so it's a big bus. >> it has lots of room in it. >> it's got some great seating arrangements. i'm not sure about the music yet because i've not put any on because i've only just got it today. >> but come on board. >> but come on board. >> this is where all the action happens. >> where all of the staff team are helping as well. >> i have some, samosas and cakes that have been donated . cakes that have been donated. >> obviously we need yorkshire tea and then i have a fridge and in this fridge i have a pint size of semi—skimmed milk. >> and how did this get here? >> and how did this get here? >> we have a lettuce and lots of

water because you have to keep hydrated when you're on the road. >> and we have a little secret area in the back, so we keep going . going. >> we have the little secret area . yeah. area. yeah. >> so that's the labour bus . >> so that's the labour bus. i've not been on it yet. hopefully i will be on it in the coming days. but the conservative one, yes. it's got a fridge. it's also got one not but two ovens. and it's also got at the bit back a private bit where the prime minister was shut away yesterday. busy working, he's got a lot of work to do. hasn't he, to overcome this huge, huge poll lead worth saying that the conservatives really thought that they had the momentum. they've certainly got the energy. they've been rolling out all these new policies. but it doesn't seem to be shifting the polls at all. in fact, if anything , the labour lead seems anything, the labour lead seems to be increasing. just a quick

word about tiktok , as of friday, word about tiktok, as of friday, labour had put out 54 tiktok videos and the conservatives only 14. though of course, the conservatives are very directly appealing to older voters , appealing to older voters, aren't they, with many of their announcements, because the older you are, the more likely you are to vote conservative and the younger you are , well, you're younger you are, well, you're more likely to vote for the labour party. but the labour party have spent £1.2 million so far. i think just in the last week on social media, that's four times what the conservatives have spent . conservatives have spent. >> wow. fascinating. well, katherine forster, thank you very much . that is katherine very much. that is katherine forster. she's our political edhon forster. she's our political editor. right let's get started. let's welcome again to my panel journalist and political commentator jonathan liss, journalist and political commentatorjonathan liss, and also chairman of the national jewish assembly, gary mond. all right. well, welcome to you both .thank right. well, welcome to you both . thank you very much for coming in today. thank you. right. so i want to start with you first tiktok campaigns is this you're seeing them all using different

things. were you impressed by any of them? i was amused by them. >> i thought, you know, they are obviously targeted at very media savvy, social media savvy. so there'll be a lot of memes there that will be instantly familiar to people who what we might call very online, people who spend a lot of their time on social media. and there was one that really made me laugh . a few days really made me laugh. a few days ago, after the national service announcement, where it was sort of cilla black singing surprise, surprise, cilla black people may know it's a very sort of popular figure, despite obviously not being alive anymore, to say she's not alive. she's a very she's not alive. she's a very she actually doing that. it's very popular people to use her image and singing voice in particular is part of memes and always in a kind way has to be said. but there's a sort of a film of her singing. surprise, surprise with a point, point of view. your 18th birthday when rishi sunak turns up, sending you to war. it's obviously not entirely what the national service announcement is about, but it is a very silly policy in lots of ways, and 18 year olds are going to hate it. and so it's quite a clever way of engaging younger people to get out and vote, because as we know, they're the people who are

the least likely to vote. and also they're the most interesting. >> you should say that young people would hate it. that's a huge presumption. there will be some that do enjoy it. i don't think it's going to be as many younger people who are in favour of this policy as there would be older voters. well, i know that 8% of young people are planning to vote conservative. >> i think the stats speak for themselves. >> well, we'll see what actually happens. but what do you think ? happens. but what do you think? >> i think that without tiktok and without facebook , the actual and without facebook, the actual turnout at the general election will continue to fall. we've seen generally the interest in politics going down and down now , what this is going to do is going to reduce the fall and we're actually going to see people, more people turning out to vote, who probably otherwise wouldn't have. having said that, i don't actually think it's going to sway people's opinions to make them vote. labour instead of conservative or vice versa. and i also think that the big winners of this will be the more fringe parties who are less well known. i think the green party could well do very well out of it. and the lib dems and

on the right, i think reform uk could do well out of it because they're less well known. people say, oh, i hadn't thought of that. i only thought of labour and conservatives and now i'm actually thinking of all the parties. but i think the overall shift in the vote is going to be minimal. >> you don't think so? but labour are looking at policies. i mean, jonathan mentioned the conservatives policy of national service, labour party were talking about getting 16 and 17 year olds eligible to vote. i mean, that was one of theirs. possibly the reason why they've got so much going on on tv. >> but i think the die has been cast. most people have made up their mind how they're going to vote in the last few months, not not just in the question of these, these two policies. i mean, you're right to highlight them, but i don't think that they're necessarily vote shifters. i think people have largely made up their minds as the opinion polls are showing the opinion polls are showing the steadiness of the labour lead. >> i there may be some abstention, actually. >> i mean, that's or even extension is just extraordinary. the fact that you had opinion, for example, which is one of the polling companies that has a methodology that tends to favour the conservatives. they've had the conservatives. they've had the smallest labour lead in their polls recently. they had 14 points, whereas others were

sort of 20 or 25. and last night's poll for the observer had them on labour extending its lead 20 points. obviously a lot can happen in the next few weeks, but that's right. but this is not the direction of travel that the conservatives need to have at this stage in the game. there are very, very few people outside of rishi sunak's inner circle who think the conservatives are going to do any, anything close to , to do any, anything close to, to having even a hung parliament. so it's really, i think, now about a core vote strategy, trying to mitigate the damage. >> there is actually an additional point that could well blow all of us away in a few days time when we're going to see the close of nominations, to see the close of nominations, to see how many candidates the conservatives and other parties have actually got in place a few days ago, there was 180 candidates for the conservatives still to fill . if we have still to fill. if we have a situation where, for example, there's 100 vacancies for the conservatives, that's something like 8 or 9 million people who won't be able to vote conservative, surely. >> i mean, look, i think, i think, i think the bigger risk i think, i think the bigger risk i think the bigger risk is, look, we know that the conservatives are on their knees, but i think there are probably 150 conservatives councillors who would sort of step into the

breach if necessary. but the problem is, and this is on both sides actually, is that you're going to have a lot of people who've been selected at the last minute. there might not have been due diligence done. there's going to be a lot of, you know, archaeology going on in those candidates social media histories. and so i wouldn't be at all surprised if in the opening months of the new parliament, a lot of people are going to be suspended and we're going to be suspended and we're going to be suspended and we're going to just have some some chaos while, you know, these things will filter through. >> well, that's possibly a rishi sunak plan. why he launched the election by surprise and gave everyone only six weeks to get their stuff together. well stay with me. this is gb news. it's just coming up to 20 minutes after 3:00. i'm nana akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. coming up, the lib dems have attacked the government's record on health and are promising to reverse £1 billion of conservative cuts. but next, a second private school has blamed labour's tax raid for closure , as sir keir raid for closure, as sir keir starmer has promised to charge vat to 20% on these schools

good afternoon. welcome to gb news. we are britain's election channel. i'm nana akua just coming up to 24 minutes after 3:00. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. this is the clash. now, a second private school has blamed labour's tax raid for its closure. they said that it was pretty much the straw that broke the camel's back. it was a struggling school, but it was managing until this final nail in the coffin. so keir starmer has promised to charge private schools 20% that, as well as in business rates relief, if he comes into power after the general election now, he said he'd do that straight away. the party estimates this will raise about £1.7 billion of funds to be spent on the state school sector . labour, however, have sector. labour, however, have been urged to abandon its plans to charge that if budget watchdog forecasts that it will ultimately lose the taxpayer

money. money that is, of course, the obr . they are saying that if the obr. they are saying that if it does not, if it costs the taxpayer , the obr will tell the taxpayer, the obr will tell the labour party to abandon this plan . meanwhile, rishi sunak has plan. meanwhile, rishi sunak has pledged to scrap mickey mouse university courses such as creative arts and design and media journalism what and communications to help fund 100,000 apprentices. problem. there is seriously what is the mickey mouse degree? which one? which? who decides ? joining me which? who decides? joining me now to discuss jonathan and gary wright i'm going to start with you, gary monde, starting with the private school. >> i think this is very, very dangerous. what is going to happenisin dangerous. what is going to happen is in the first instance, there will be growing numbers of people who will not be able to afford to send their children to private schools. and these are families coming from ordinary backgrounds , kids whose parents backgrounds, kids whose parents are probably working overtime or taking second jobs to be able to afford the actual school fees. so the first step will be we will see a decline in number of people going to private schools. >> then the next step we've already seen we've already seen

that. >> and that's going to accelerate fewer applications , accelerate fewer applications, that's going to accelerate. and then the next step will be a number of private schools will close. and that number might be quite great. and we will see a lot of unemployment caused by teachers. and others working in the private school sector losing their jobs and this the private school sector losing theirjobs and this is not going to be good for the economy. and then, of course, the state sector has to absorb all those children who were going to into private schools. so i don't think this has been thought through by keir starmer. i hope it doesn't happen. and it is a potentially disastrous policy. >> well, there's also the children who then have to leave the schools because obviously thatis the schools because obviously that is psychologically quite damaging. if you've got to go from one school to another. some may be doing gcses, and then there's also the prospect that actually the plan was to raise 1.7 billion, but that is based on most of these people still attending. so if you do not get those numbers, you do not make that money. and then the actual education budget is about 116 billion. so this they will be getting is a drop in the ocean. jonathan. >> well, i mean, what happened to the thatcherite mantra of

standing on your own two feet? i mean, it's this what the idea of the idea that, you know, sort of private schools should be able to survive without getting tax breaks from the government . breaks from the government. >> and so, you know, well, aren't the parents already paying aren't the parents already paying once? i mean, look, each, that's their choice. yeah, but but but it's not really a tax break. if you're paying, say, each pupil gets about 7500 from the taxpayers purse, which obviously comes from a big fund that everybody's paying into. so if everybody who is, you know, adults are paying £7.5 thousand, 7500 pounds for each kid, then they're also paying for their own children. >> this doesn't schools are under no obligation to pass on any vat that they are charged on to parents. for a start, that's entirely within school's remit. a lot of schools up and down the country have had to make all kinds of cutbacks through austerity in the last 14 years, and i think the majority of parents who 93% who send their children to state schools will have limited sympathy. that sort of other parents will also 93.

>> what did you get that figure for? >>i for? >> i think 7% of children in this country are privately educated . educated. >> all right. so you're saying 93. i'm not sure. i mean, obviously that's not 93% of parents. >> i'm not saying obviously look, no one is. i don't think there should be a kind of a class war issue here. but you know, we are obviously in very, very difficult times and governments have to make priorities. governments have to find money. but i think that a lot of people will find it unfair that private schools should have a tax break. but this is not really. >> but but i, i hear what you're saying, but just if you look at the figures so adults are paying about 7500 pounds for each child in state education. that comes from a full pot that's coming from a full pot that's coming from all the adults, whether they have children or not, whether you send children to private school or not. i would have thought, looking at that, if somebody is then paying for private education, actually, that person should get some sort of tax break because they are paying of tax break because they are paying twice . paying twice. >> blick the taxation is kind of a collective idea that we all pay a collective idea that we all pay into a pot, and we're all entitled to part of it in the same way that sort of young

people are paying for other people's pensions. i mean, that's just how that's just how things are. >> so the point i'm making is that you're calling this a tax break for the school, but yet the parents will have to pay for this. obviously, it will get passed to the parent. so it'll be a charge to the parents. but the bottom line is this may not raise any money, and yet it might well cause disruption. >> well, obviously we'll have to wait and see what the obr says about this, but i but i have to question the first thing that we talked about, about a school closing. i mean, the last time i checked, a second school, right about the last time i checked, labour had not actually won the election. and so you're kind of thinking if, no vat has been charged on on that school yet, do you have children getting ready? i don't have children. >> well, i think that's why you're saying that, because what happens is you book your kids into the school for the next term. so the parents are looking at that thinking, crikey, i can't afford the year, so i'm not going to enlist my child at that school . so before they're that school. so before they're evenin that school. so before they're even in power, and as you said yourself, the polls are showing that labour may well have a likely to have a landslide election. we don't know, but it seems a foregone , so if that is

seems a foregone, so if that is the case, these parents are looking ahead and that's what you do with schools. you look ahead, but look. >> but the other point, i suppose that's related to that is that private schools are part of a capitalist society which operates within a free market. and within a free market. there is no no one has a divine right to succeed in their business. private schools are businesses. some will succeed on their own merits, some will fail. i don't think that we should be in the business of using the state to support private enterprises , necessarily. >> i think we're the only country that charter that on education in that way. no other no other country does that. >> i'm just going to say there's an additional point here which hasn't been made, and that is there's a freedom of choice element here that what we're doing, if we actually put vat onto private school fees, what we're doing is we're going to make it harder for people to afford it. and the possibility being which exists of sending your child to private school if your child to private school if you want to, will reduce. >> kyrees that kind of extraordinary thing to say about freedom of choice. there might be millions of parents who would like to choose to send their children how they spend their

money. no, no, no, no, i'm sorry. it's not how they spend their money. look, when i like, 30 years ago, you could have a situation much like people being able to buy a house, on quite modest salary of 40 or 50 years ago. a lot of people were able to send their kids to private school because it wasn't reserved for the extremely wealthy. the private school fees have gone up way above inflation over the last few years. it was true . it's now out of the range true. it's now out of the range of a lot of middle class professionals. the way that it wasn't. >> can i just say this school, though, is a, most of the kids with special education needs. so a lot of the private schools aren't necessarily, i think, the eaton's and things. no. well, well, that's not well, that's not really what's been coming through. and it looks as though the school, some of them were struggling , but it the school, some of them were struggling, but it just seemed to be this is the straw that broke the camel's back. but finally, very briefly to you, gary, how should what should sir keir starmer be saying though, if because this is obviously this is a way of funding education, that's his plan. it could fund 1.6 1.7 billion. >> there are many other areas across the economy where cuts can be made to fund education.

many areas , i mean, for example, many areas, i mean, for example, in overseas aid, in a complete review of the nhs, we're spending £180 billion a year on the nhs, and i think that there's never been a proper review, an efficiency review of the spending in the nhs. there's so many areas where cuts can be made , this to actually use the made, this to actually use the politics of envy because this is what's involved here, the politics of envy in regard to making it so much harder for parents to send their children to a private school if they want to, is not the way forward. >> it's not the politics of envy. it's not the politics. >> you don't think, well, listen, we can carry on with this in a moment's time if you just join us. welcome on board. this is the clash. it's just coming up to 32 minutes after 3:00. i'm nana akua still to come. the tories are pledging to fund more gps, but removing managers and senior staff, saving reportedly £550 million a yeanis saving reportedly £550 million a year, is that a good idea? first, let's get your latest . news. >> gnaana, thank you very much

and good afternoon to you. it's just after 3:30, a look at the headunes just after 3:30, a look at the headlines this afternoon, and we'll start with a round up of the election news first with labour migration is being included in their manifesto, with the party promising to reduce the number if it wins the general election. sir keir starmer says he'll introduce new laws to train british workers to plug laws to train british workers to plug gaps in the job market. job market and to strengthen anti—exploitation laws. while speaking to the sun on sunday, he said that last year's net migration figure of 685,000 people has to come down. he didn't, though, set a time frame or put a specific target on that promise . meanwhile, the promise. meanwhile, the conservatives and the liberal democrats are focusing on the nhs today. the tories say they'll build 100 new gp surgeries and modernise 150 others to help make appointments more available. the party has also pledged to build 50 new diagnostic centres. those plans, they say, would be paid for by cutting the number of nhs managers back to pre—pandemic

levels . and the snp has launched levels. and the snp has launched its election campaign this afternoon, accusing labour and the conservatives of failing . the conservatives of failing. scotland leader and first minister john swinney has said ministerjohn swinney has said in the last hour that they're the only party which will put scotland's needs first. and his representative in westminster , representative in westminster, stephen flynn, also told the launch event today that a for vote snp is a vote for scotland . vote snp is a vote for scotland. and finally, police have made 56 arrests following the champions league as some football fans try to force their way into the stadium and others invaded the pitch. thousands of people were at wembley to watch real madrid beat borussia dortmund last night. the vast majority of those arrested, we understand , those arrested, we understand, are still in custody and most of the arrests were for attempts to breach security. but five were made because people got onto the grass . that's the latest from grass. that's the latest from the newsroom for now. for more. you can sign up to gb news alerts. you can scan the qr code

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good afternoon. is this coming up to 39 minutes after 3:00? if you've just tuned in, this is gb news. we are live on tv, online and on digital radio. you can also stream the show live on youtube. i'm nana akua . now. youtube. i'm nana akua. now. just before the break, we were discussing labour's private school vat plans . but jonathan school vat plans. but jonathan gary, what are your thoughts on rishi sunak scrapping mickey mouse degrees? joining me to discuss jonathan less and also gary mond. yeah. so that's what they're saying that we've got a load of different ones. so we've got the, the things like english. is that a mickey mouse degree ? no, of course not. degree? no, of course not. journalism mickey mouse degree . journalism mickey mouse degree. no. look, i, i mean, what is it? what is the bottom line is you've got to work out. the bottom line is you've got to work out what a mickey mouse degree is before you can actually then determine whether or not what are we actually what is the conversation we're actually having here? >> do we want to say that we should go back to a kind of 19505 should go back to a kind of 1950s education model, where only the very a very narrow band of british society ever had

aspirations to go to university , aspirations to go to university, and that when they did and those people were then sort of funnelled into the establishment, that would feel sort of like the top roles across society. and that actually changed under successive governments , successive governments, including obviously, famously, john major, with the liberalisation of universities in the early 1990s, where a lot of polytechnics became universities, and what you had after that was a much was it was after that was a much was it was a really great broadening out of the university sector , where all the university sector, where all kinds of people thought we can actually have a university education. we can also, sort of, you know, have more opportunities , more aspirations. opportunities, more aspirations. that's supposed to be an absolute conservative principle . absolute conservative principle. so when people see someone like rishi sunak is saying, you can do just fine without going to university, would he say that to his own children? >> well, a little while ago we had lots of apprenticeships as well, which some would consider a far superior because not only do you get paid, you also learn on the job and you build your skill and some of these degrees. okay, i'm going to ask you creative arts and design mickey mouse, yes or no ? mouse, yes or no? >> no no no, i think i think

this is a question i think the com. >> no no, no, gary i'm asking you a question. no, but okay. >> no varne not so much agriculture , food and related agriculture, food and related studies, mickey mouse. >> no, but what i and finally sport and exercise science. >> surely that's a mickey mouse. that's moving in that direction. >> mickey mouse moving in that direction . direction. >> britain is sports mad. you need sports scientists. yes, but a university degree in it. >> this is this is you want people. >> you want people to know what they're doing, don't you, john? >> coming back to jonathan's earlier point about saying, are we going to move back into the 19505? we going to move back into the 1950s? my own personal view is we move not all the way back there, but i think we've got far too many people going to university today, doing far too many degrees, which are not of benefit to them in their careers in the years to come. and of course, they're paying for student loans. and i know as an employer i'm having to deduct from their pay all the time a student, the student loan payments, but the, the key issue is what use are many of these degrees to them in their lives ahead. and the answer is limited use. and although there's a student loan involved, the

government is still subsidising it. >> well, the bottom line is you don't know what you're going to need until you need it. so it's difficult to work out whether you're going to need the degree you've gone for or not. unless unless, unless, unless it is. sorry. can i say unless? of course. be quiet. be quiet. unless, of course, it's a vocational course, right? just coming up to 43 minutes after 3:00. how about this? the lib dems have attacked the government's record on health and are promising to reverse £1 billion of conservative cuts, and the party says that it would fund local services by cracking down on tax evasion. however, the tories are pledging to fund more gps , but removing managers more gps, but removing managers and senior staff saving reportedly over half a million per year. and this comes as the telegraph revealed today that doctors are quitting the nhs over fears of the labour party's tax raid on pensions. over fears of the labour party's tax raid on pensions . all the tax raid on pensions. all the meanwhile, labour pledged to decrease nhs waiting times, with 40,000 more evening and weekend appointments each week. right, jonathan and gary, what are your thoughts? i'll start with you. which party gets your vote in terms of their direction? with

the nhs generally the conservative party. >> but what i would say also is when any party at all starts talking about tax evasion, clamping down on it, i mean, extremely suspicious. tax evasion is illegal and there are plenty of people working at hmrc who are trying to deal with it. they get it confused with tax avoidance, which is perfectly legal. assuming you've got accountants who can advise you on this. but what may need to happenin on this. but what may need to happen in this area might be the law on tax needs to be changed. >> well, what is it about the conservative party that you are thinking of? their plan for nhs is better . is better. >> they're generally they're generally they're they have historically been more efficient in terms of the way money is spent. i'm very concerned about the labour party generally in terms of its plans to spend money, which is often unfunded. have you? that's not to say have you counted how many health ministers the conservatives have had over the last five years? i'm saying generally, i'm not saying just in the last five years. i'm going back to the time of margaret thatcher that we have in the past tried to be

efficient, but spending on the nhs is out of control at £182 billion a year, is what we're spending and i think there needs to be a major firm management consultancy going in there. >> they have been in charge of it though for the last 14 years. yes. >> and in that time you had 2.5 million people on waiting lists in 2010, and now you have 7.5 million people, three times as many. you look at the graphs over the last 30 years, and you can see that sort of after 1997, you know, waiting times went down. then suddenly something happened. in 2010, they shot up again . also, people, the number again. also, people, the number of people waiting, for , no, of people waiting, for, no, sorry. that's the waiting list. the waiting times. so in terms of waiting time. so a great number of people having to wait longer than, i think , 18 weeks longer than, i think, 18 weeks to start to start their treatment, that number is much higher now than it was when the conservatives came to power. look, i think you'd expect that the nhs is always going to be more of a labour priority than a conservative one.

>> why do you think that? it's not necessarily. >> it's a labour creation. it was opposed from its very, you know, beginning by the conservative party, that's not to say that conservative wasn't it , tony to say that conservative wasn't it, tony blair, i mean, who brought in pe! and wasn't it your friend tony blair so. well, well, well, i'm maybe you . don't well, well, i'm maybe you. don't you think i'm friends with him? >> but with regard to the fact that you are, you're saying that the labour party are this, that and the other. i'm saying that it wasn't him who brought in pfi. i mean, that's like a privatisation kind of model, i think, within the health service, which isn't really if you if you are saying that the labour party are more into the nhs, that's a very kind of commercial model. >> i think that there are there are real questions to ask about the private model, and wes streeting has obviously made no bones about the fact that he wants to see a big role for the private sector. >> now look, one second, jonathan will be back in a moment. we're just back in a moment just after this break. we've frozen on

air. oh good afternoon. apologies for that. i think somebody unplugged something coming up. nana nigel, i'm going to ask you whether britain has lost its greatness with all the things that have gone on in the uk, but loads still to come. joining me, i've got jonathan ellis and also gary monde. now, before the break, we were talking about the party's policies on the nhs, jonathan and gary, we were talking about that , final thoughts on the that, final thoughts on the party you were talking. we'll just finish. >> i was, i was just saying about the private provision issue.i about the private provision issue. i think that there's a difference between we have an emergency, we need anyone we can get to help us with the current backlog, just as we did during covid. the government used private providers and there were very few complaints about that. but i think there's a difference between doing that and having it baked into your nhs policy , baked into your nhs policy, because a lot of people will see that the nhs should not be in

the business of using private companies, which are profit, a lot of companies, a lot of places. >> so you go to australia, it's a combination of the two and even the nhs use, they have their own private sections. so in order to get rid of this backlog, that would literally be the only way they're going to do it, isn't it. so i'm not sure why that would be. >> i think there's a i think there's as i say, i think there's as i say, i think there's as i say, i think there's a compromise position where if you need to do it, then that should be with a with a very narrow time limit on it. but i don't think it's appropriate for the future of the nhs to be using private provision, to be using public money to fund profit making organisations. >> i, i disagree, i think that the more we can get the private sector involved, the better. we're in a situation now where the nhs is costing us between 3000 and £4000 for every man, woman and child in this country. we need a help. and if the private sector can help, it should be taken advantage of. >> i was going to say in my private insurance doesn't cost me that. so the point is that the nhs is actually way more

expensive than any other . expensive than any other. >> that was an emergency. you need to go to an a&e. >> i'm not complaining. i'm paying. paying twice is what i'm saying. what i'm saying is the nhs is more expensive than a private provider, which they need to look at that. but what do you think? gbnews.com/yoursay finally, the prime minister has pledged that state pensions will never be taxed in a policy being dubbed as a triple lock. plus health secretary victoria atkins claimed that the labour party had been silent about their plans for pensions. however, the mirror has reportedly today said that rishi sunak had warned pensioners that they will be hit by £1,000 retirement tax if labour wins power. so, gary hammond, your thoughts triple plus lock or whatever they're doing. >> my thoughts are there has really been an unofficial contract between every man and woman who's worked in their lives over the last 50 to 70 years, and now that their pensioners that they expect to get a pension because of all the monies they paid into national insurance contributions, going back decades, and when they see that sum of money that they're

getting gets reduced or deducted from in any way, they feel they will have been cheated and they would be right. >> jonathan, listen, i think it's an extraordinary thing for the government to be saying that labouris the government to be saying that labour is planning a tax rate on pensions. that was literally the tory policy until a week ago. the only reason that anyone is talking about pensioners having to pay tax is because the government has frozen the personal allowance for the last, i think, five years, and planned to do so for another five years. it's completely outrageous that this policy exists. in the 1970s, you had it baked into law that the personal allowance rise with inflation. that policy has been ditched just at the time, as we are getting record inflation and so what you are having now is more people being dragged into tax. this is not a progressive policy. so this is not a socialist policy . i think not a socialist policy. i think that the very poorest paid, which includes pensioners should be taken out of tax altogether. the way to do that is not by making two class of citizens where pensioners get a special deal where pensioners get a special deal. it's by increasing the personal allowance so that no one will have to pay tax if

they're being if they're being paid such a small sum of money. >> well, this is a very big question actually, on one point, i actually agree with jonathan. >> we should we should have raised personal allowances, we are taxed far too much. and one of the ways we could have reduced that was, would have been to raise personal allowances to take more and more people out of tax. and it's tragic that we haven't done so well. >> it'll be interesting. who gets your vote? let me know. gbnews.com forward slash your say you're with me i'm nana akua. this is gb news on tv onune akua. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. still to come , my great british still to come, my great british debate this hour i'm asking which party's plan gets your vote for migration. next up though, nana's nicole. and today i'm asking has britain lost its greatness? the election, the royal family schools , everything royal family schools, everything seems to be going to hell in a handcart. nothing seems to be great anymore. but who do you blame? all of that on the way? but first, let's get an update with your weather. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar , the sponsors of weather

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northern parts of wales and parts of northern england, and quite a cloudy picture across northern ireland and the rest of northern england , still with the northern england, still with the odd spot of rain and drizzle but generally brightening up across parts of aberdeenshire, though, we will start to see some showers move in from the west across the northern isles, so a bit of a mixed picture to start the new working week , but the new working week, but generally it's going to be quite a cloudy picture as well . still, a cloudy picture as well. still, with the odd spot of rain and drizzle moving into the northwest by the time we reach the afternoon, we will start to see some sunshine poke through the cloud, particularly across scotland, where we will see plenty of sunshine there. quite a brisk breeze which is going to take the edge off the temperatures a little bit, and generally temperatures are going to be slightly lower tomorrow . to be slightly lower tomorrow. but where you do catch the sunshine in any sheltered spots across scotland , it should still across scotland, it should still be feeling pleasant and warm now into the evening. still plenty of cloud, which means it's going to remain fairly mild but turning a little bit cooler across those clearer spells in scotland and still plenty of showers feeding into the northern isles and for next week, is generally a cloudier picture. still fairly dry across

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royal family, the army . nothing royal family, the army. nothing seems to be great anymore. but whose fault is it then? my outside guest. she's a mystery. she's an actress. she was a notable presence in every major uk soap over the past three decades. she's an author, a producer and a voice artist. she's done it all. can you guess who she is? that's a little clue on the screen coming up. my mini debate. reform uk's nigel farage is reportedly already planning for life after the election. the party's honorary president is hoping for a tory wipe—out so he can absorb the party and transform form the right into his own image. but is this a good move for british politics? but before we get started, let's get your latest news with sam francis . francis. >> gnaana, thank you very much and good afternoon to you. it's just after 4:00. we'll start with a round up of today's election news and migration is at the forefront of labour's campaigning today after accusing

the conservatives of having repeatedly broken their promises, sir keir starmer is promising to reduce the number if he wins the general election, with new laws to train british workers and plug gaps in the job market. speaking to the sun, he said last year's net migration figure of 685,000 people has to come down. shadow home secretary yvette cooper has refused to put a time frame or set a specific target on that promise. >> well, net migration has trebled in the last five years under the conservatives. one of the biggest drivers of that has been work migration. we're not setting a target, a specific target on it. and the reason for thatis target on it. and the reason for that is partly because the conservatives have just effectively ripped up all the targets that they've set over many years. they've discredited the whole process, but also more importantly, because there are short term factors that can affect the numbers and what we think instead is we need to have a long term approach that is about bringing net migration down and tackling the failings in the system .

in the system. >> meanwhile, the conservatives are focusing on the nhs in their campaigning today. they're promising 100 new gp surgeries in england if rishi sunak returns to power , and to also returns to power, and to also modernise 150 others to help make appointments more accessible. the party is also pledging to expand their pharmacy first scheme. those plans would, they say, be paid for by cutting the number of nhs managers back to pre—pandemic levels. health secretary victoria atkins says they're working to make the nhs better. >> my job as health secretary, for example, is to explain our vision for our nhs, which is to reform it to make it faster, simpler and fairer. and some of the announcements i have today concerning gp surgeries concerning gp surgeries concerning pharmacy first and community diagnostic centres are the ways that we will help deliver that over the coming years. we are going to fund this. it's fully funded, we're going to fund it partly through a reduction of managers in the nhs and in scotland. >> the snp have launched their

election campaign in glasgow, accusing labour and the conservatives of failing scotland. first ministerjohn swinney told a crowd the people in scotland want rid of the what he called disastrous , chaotic he called disastrous, chaotic conservative government. he also spoke about independence under the snp, saying that it would allow the country to make its own decisions and to enhance the lives of scottish people . lives of scottish people. >> and it's the people of scotland i want to speak to directly today as we set out our message, let me make this commitment to the people of scotland . i am here to serve you scotland. i am here to serve you all. i am here to work hard to win your trust and your confidence. i am here to give everything i have to secure the best future for our country . best future for our country. >> well, in other news, today the metropolitan police has confirmed that 56 people were arrested at wembley last night

at the champions league final. thousands of football fans were at the stadium to watch real madrid beat borussia dortmund. police say five were arrested for pitch invasion and dozens of others for attempting to breach security. the fa has now confirmed. no one who tried to get into the stadium without a ticket was successful . there's ticket was successful. there's division in israel over the proposed ceasefire deal to end the war in gaza, demonstrate passions broke out overnight in tel aviv, won against the government and the other calling for the release of hostages. protesters want a deal to be agreed that would see the return of israelis kidnapped by hamas in october last year, two senior right wing ministers in israel have threatened to quit and to bnng have threatened to quit and to bring down the coalition government if prime minister benjamin netanyahu agrees to the us brokered deal. north korea has launched what's being described as a bizarre barrage of balloons filled with rubbish , of balloons filled with rubbish, cigarette butts and suspected animal waste floating towards

its southern neighbour. more than 700 balloons have been found in various parts of south korea, so far, with chemical and explosive clearance teams dispatched to recover debris. in seoul dispatched to recover debris. in seoul, the south korean government are calling it a dirty provocation from the north. however, pyongyang says it's in retaliation for defectors and activists who often send their own inflatables across the border containing leaflets. food, medicine and usb sticks loaded with k—pop videos . sticks loaded with k—pop videos. in a historic first, china has successfully landed a spacecraft on the dark side of the moon. the unmanned chang e six lunar probe is exploring a region that no other country has ever managed to reach, and is on a mission to collect rock and soil samples. the european space agency says. it's a mean feat given there's no line of sight for communication making robotic landings. there more challenging . and finally, david beckham has been bonding with king charles

over bees. the former england football captain compared beekeeping tips with the monarch as he was named the ambassador for the king's foundation. the charity offers programs to teach traditional skills and aims to promote urban regeneration and sustainable food production. david beckham says he's excited to help raise awareness of the charity's work . that's the charity's work. that's the latest from the newsroom for now . for more, you can sign up to gb news alerts. just scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. common shirts now, though. more from . nana. more from. nana. >> thank you sam. it's just coming up to eight minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua great britain. i love this country, but with the whiff of the general election in the air, i'm looking at the state of it. and it can't all be blamed on one political party. but many of

the great institutions that made this country great are crumbling before my very eyes. britain pretty much colonised the world. whether you view this as a good or bad thing, we created an empire. we were a superpower. innovators in the world of shipbuilding and aviation. we had an army to die for. but look at us now and please, before you say brexit, we did all of that and we didn't even have an eu then. now many countries, namely then. now many countries, namely the us, no longer see us as a leading military power. can you blame them? we can't even call our army an army because we have so few soldiers . this once great so few soldiers. this once great institution is falling apart before our very eyes. lieutenant colonel stuart crawford, who served in the army for 20 years and often appears on my show, called our tank fleet embarrassingly small and that it would be wiped out in two weeks in a war with russia. he warned that our armed forces are no longer regarded as a tier one military power by the us . it's

military power by the us. it's embarrassing. he also pointed out the decline in the equipment , like the number of battle tanks the army are planning to purchase 148. but in ukraine, the russians , well, they've the russians, well, they've roughly lost about 3000 over the last two years. how does that honestly compare ? even the honestly compare? even the monarchy, one of the most stable institutions in this country, andindeed institutions in this country, and indeed the world, is in a tough predicament. and indeed the world, is in a tough predicament . another thing tough predicament. another thing that puts the great in great britain, both the king and catherine have cancer. catherine is to be the next queen. we need her. meghan and harry are taking pot shots from the sidelines, having chosen to step down and going on faux royal tours. ghana is apparently next on their list and within the household itself, there are very few working royals left. prince andrew was forced to step down over his association with convicted sex offender jeffrey epstein . there offender jeffrey epstein. there was a whole virginia giuffre stuff, which he's denied all charges and was not found guilty of anything but shelled out a load of cash for the optics really weren't good. since that

interview with emily maitlis, things have just gone from bad to worse for andrew. apparently, the king now wants him to move out of the 30 bedroom royal lodge, which he shares with his ex sarah ferguson, and into frogmore cottage, where meghan and harry used to live. ironically whilst andrew is fighting to stay as a working royal, those two chucked it all away and andrew's been told to downsize . are there institutions downsize. are there institutions like the nhs? once the envy of the rest of the world, has now become something to avoid? our schools and colleges once considered the diamond standard that many countries would try to emulate. now being overtaken. and as for our political parties , which another world ago had leaders love them or hate them like margaret thatcher, the iron lady and tony blair, who could sell snow to the eskimos. we've got lacklustre charisma as politicians who changed their mind with the wind. politicians who changed their mind with the wind . the mind with the wind. the political leaders have made a mockery of this country over the past few decades, and whoever gets elected has a serious job on their hands. good luck with

that. oh, cheer up people, it's not that bad. before we get stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour. i'm asking which party's plan gets your vote on migration? the tories are pushing their controversial plan to deport asylum seekers to rwanda. labour aims to reduce reliance on foreign labour by training unemployed britons for roles in care and construction and engineering, and also the border force command and reform proposals at a higher national insurance rates for businesses employing foreign workers . so employing foreign workers. so the great british debate this hour i'm asking which party plan gets your vote on migration. then at 450, it's world view. we cross live to los angeles to speak to paul duddridge. he's the host of the politics people podcast to get the latest on donald trump's presidential campaign after he was found guilty of falsifying business records . plus, the house speaker records. plus, the house speaker says the supreme court could overturn trump's verdict. but what do you think? at five, it's

outside and she's an actress. these are your clues appearing on nearly every uk soap, and plays a big role championing causes like anti—bullying and homelessness and lots of other things. can you guess who she is 7 things. can you guess who she is ? she's coming up in the next houn ? she's coming up in the next hour. remember, send me your thoughts at gbnews.com/yoursay . thoughts at gbnews.com/yoursay. all right, let's get started. let's welcome again to my panel, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly, and also gb news senior political editor nigel nelson . political editor nigel nelson. smile, nigel, you look very serious there. what was that about ? serious? about? serious? >> i was trying to smile. >> i was trying to smile. >> honestly. my smile is serious with a very serious. >> then it sort of morphed into a smile. well, it's good to see you, nigel. might as well kick things off with you . yeah, i'm things off with you. yeah, i'm looking at all the political parties. i don't really have any allegiance to any of them. i'm looking and i'm thinking of the last two decades or so. they have literally wrecked this country. that's what i'm seeing . country. that's what i'm seeing. >> well, i think that that what is actually wrecked the country

in a sense that's made britain not as great as it was, is simply the second world war. >> we really were bankrupted by that. >> we really were bankrupted by that . and, and you mentioned that. and, and you mentioned colonisation, for instance , and colonisation, for instance, and we had to pull back from all the colonies after that. we really couldn't manage to either afford it or really stay there, we, for instance, in 1948, we had to pull out of palestine because it was we had so much trouble trying to control in those days, it was jewish terrorists that we were having the problems with. so i think britain had to sort of contract because the second world war basically bankrupted us. >> us. >> so you're saying it's not really the fault of any of these politicians at all? it's just the war. >> well, i mean, the nhs might be the fault of politicians. it is. there's a whole host of things within that. schools may well be. what i'm saying is that the that when we were a world power, we lost that through the second world war. >> danny kelly well , the clue >> danny kelly well, the clue there is the world war. >> lots of countries are at war. so we should be on a parity when

it comes to being bankrupt. although we were more heavily involved potentially than other countries. 1948 was a dispute. >> we were with the french and we went against the united nafions we went against the united nations or whatever the equivalent was back then. >> and the yanks hated us for it. so we went unilaterally or bilaterally , that was a mistake bilaterally, that was a mistake as far as britain being great, i think britain is great. now, we may not be a tier one military power anymore, but i think we've got and i'm not being overly jingoistic, but i think if you've got 70,000 troops, i think they're the elite troops . think they're the elite troops. so i think if the yanks are dismissing us as not tier one, believe me, they'd be on the phone first to us. the americans often say how great we are, and we're top tier when it comes to our fighting abilities. we may not be a top tier military because we haven't got the numbers. the tanks is worrying. if you look at ukraine, one of the reasons that the russians have lost so many tanks is because those particular tanks are cold war era, and they're simply substandard by modern tank battlefields, and they're particularly prone and vulnerable to just imploding, whereas western tanks are aren't . but i defer to the to the

military guy who said that he was worried. so if a military quy's was worried. so if a military guy's worried about our ability to fight, but then we're part of nato and we keep paying our 2.5. the yanks are on top of that because donald trump famously said, look, unless you all start paying said, look, unless you all start paying your two and a bit percent, i'm pulling out. why should the yanks subsidise? >> i don't know whether that is, a realistic safety net, even though it's great that they would potentially come out in force to assist if any nato ally, gets hurt or, you know, gets attacked. but you've got to remember that vladimir putin is they're tempting to see what we'll do. and if we do not respond, so say he goes and tries to invade, say, finland or because they're joining us, aren't they? they're part of nato or one of the other countries that want our part of nato or say, poland. he might tempt and see what we do. if we do nothing, he's going to if we do nothing, he's going to if we do nothing. that's right. because we're worried, because if we get involved, then the then what is next? >> well, we won't do nothing. well, we might though. >> we might do, we might do, we might, we might remember when that that missile went into poland. okay. we did investigate

to find out that it was actually a ukrainian missile. to find out that it was actually a ukrainian missile . yeah. a ukrainian missile. yeah. >> that's important. >> that's important. >> and that was wise for us to do that. but you know, and it's good that we didn't go all guns blazing. but it's quite interesting that it had that not been, i wonder what we would have done. well i mean, the whole point about the nato treaty is that an attack on one is an attack on all. >> so should putin be stupid enough to move into a nato country , we will have a major country, we will have a major european war, and with america weighing in, he might do the thing threatening with nuclear war. >> nobody wants that. i'm not convinced we will. i think he's going to test us. so let's just say he encroached on poland . say he encroached on poland. let's just hypothesise for 50 miles and just said, okay, that's all i'm going. we're not going any further. i'm just reclaiming 50 miles of our old soviet union empire, that's all. we're not doing anything more now. i don't think nato would then start a world war over that, because it's mutually assured destruction and nobody wants to be mutually assured that you're going to be destructed. but you still you could have a conventional war and that you're absolutely right. >> i mean, our biggest, our

biggest offence in this country is trident. and so russia knows that if the if they attack, we've always got trident there. each submarine has got the power of eight hiroshima is tucked aboard. so russia would would would pay a huge penalty for that. >> but they might i think a conventional war is more likely, but they might try an attack and then if we then do nothing because they may threaten again with the nuclear, side of things, which is what putin appears , you know, that's been appears, you know, that's been his behaviour so far. then will nato go in? i'm not so sure they would. >> well, i think that so far putin has actually been very careful to not cross the line, but he might try and tempt to see whether we actually act unilaterally, which i'm not so sure we are ratcheting up a stage . if america allows stage. if america allows american weapons to be used by ukraine against targets within russia , that does take it to a russia, that does take it to a different level. >> well, that's what's happening . so that will be interesting to see. but the bottom line is, yes , we think that we've got nato and all that, but i'm not so

sure, especially having watched some of the nations together , some of the nations together, how they behave. so i think it's almost a flawed construct. i'm not sure it would work. >> i don't think nato will disintegrate. i think all 28 countries will fight. but my point is , is that if putin tests point is, is that if putin tests us, we may just decide to let him get away with it, because the alternative is not worth thinking about, the alternative is not worth thinking about , just a little thinking about, just a little small test. >> and just to say i do think this country is great, but i'm what i'm saying is that i think that it has been actively wrecked by a lot of the politicians from all parties across the board with some of their policies, their behaviours . and i find this whole thing quite concerning . quite concerning. >> well, i mean, there are certain areas where i do think that was just the end. oh, was it the end? i'm sorry you were not wrapping us up, ending. >> i noticed the definite punctuation there. >> now the end. definitely right. what do you think, please get in touch. i'd love to get your thoughts. gbnews.com/yoursay. i'll read some of those after the break if you just join me. welcome. this

is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua coming up in worldview. we'll cross live to speak to paul duddridge, host of the politics people podcast, to get the latest stateside. next though, it's time for the great british debate. this hour, i'm asking which party's plan gets your vote on migration. i've got a poll up right now on x asking that very question. which party gets your vote on migration

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engineering, and the aim is to end the current system that incentivises businesses to recruit overseas by offering a 20% discount. now, in the meantime, the tories now they're pushing ahead with their controversial plan to deport asylum seekers to rwanda, despite legal challenges and delays. yet no planes have even left the uk. and then on the other side , reform uk, led by other side, reform uk, led by richard tice, proposes a higher national insurance rate for businesses employing foreign workers, and their plan aims to kerb the uk's dependency on cheap overseas labour and reinvest the additional revenue in training and apprenticeships for young people. right. so for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour, i'm asking which party the plans that you're listening to gets your vote on migration. of course, there are other parties as well. and we'll have a look at the liberal democrats policy, too. i'm joined now by human rights lawyer harjeet singh , rights lawyer harjeet singh, author and broadcaster amy nicholl, journalist jonathan lewis and also gary mond. he's the chairman for the jewish

assembly. right. i'm going to start with you, amy nicole turner . what's the question to turner. what's the question to you? do not listen. i've just done a whole read up to it. which party gets your vote on migration policy? oh, okay. right. so to migration policy? oh, okay. right. soto me, migration policy? oh, okay. right. so to me, the definition right. soto me, the definition of madness, as einstein said, is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results . different results. >> and if we look at every time people have voted for the conservative with a hope that it would lower migration, it's only got worse. the numbers have only got worse. the numbers have only got higher . so i think just from got higher. so i think just from a purely rational and practical perspective, it's got to be the labour party because they seem to have a real plan that will work and will deal with larger numbers of people and address the problem more holistically, rather than just demonising , a rather than just demonising, a small percentage of migrants. i i really think that the way that they deal with the issue is it has a lot more dignity to it. i think that it's bringing a bit

of decency back into the debate. they're not using it as a political football. they're thinking practically, when you mentioned yvette cooper's, suggestion about tackling the skills shortages, because why is this number with legal migration going up, up, up, up, up? it's because the list of shortages in certain areas are so great. three the construction rates, the shortages has tripled over the shortages has tripled over the past few years. engineering has doubled over the past few years. so if we can train our own people, then that's brilliant, isn't it? well, on the front of. >> yeah. yes. it sounds like an interesting plan. >> gary mond the irony is that there are elements of all three of those proposals that actually have got some attraction. certainly i was a great supporter of suella braverman when she was home secretary, and the notion then was essentially to stop the boats. she didn't succeed because she had a lot of barriers put in her way, and i would like to see her policy renewed. i do support the idea

of reducing net migration with with better training, if that can be done, that's it's not a bad idea. and also reform uk's idea of actually increasing employers national insurance contributions for overseas workers. i would also agree with that too, and also also the, keir starmer talked about a border command . i mean, how did border command. i mean, how did that idea land on you, gary? >> i think that we need to do all in our power to stop illegal migration. as for legal migration, we ought to have something done much more formally, but particularly going formally, but particularly going for something along the lines of what the australian point system has been. we have been in a complete mess on the whole issue of immigration for many years. okay. i'm going to go to you, jonathan, liz . jonathan, liz. >> well i am certainly no fan of the conservative migration policy which has failed even on its own metrics. the conservatives are desperate to distract attention from the fact that obviously migration has gone up, net migration has gone

up under their watch. that's partly for entirely good reasons. that's because students still want to come to british universities. the conservatives are boasting about having fewer foreign students coming to our universities . they help prop up universities. they help prop up the university sectors, which is one of britain's remaining success stories. it makes no sense at all to stop foreign students from coming here. but labouris students from coming here. but labour is still aping the conservatives rhetoric on the boats. look, obviously the small boats. look, obviously the small boats are a problem . that's boats are a problem. that's a problem for the people who are getting on the boats as much as anything. if we had a humane migration policy which allowed safe and legal routes into this country, that allowed processing centres to be set up in france, for example, so asylum seekers could actually have their asylum claims processed in france before coming here. that would actually, end the, the, the smuggling trade overnight and actually be a humane result. so labour i'm voting for labour in the election , but certainly not the election, but certainly not on their migration policy, which i'd have to support. the greens. >> oh really interesting. hardeep singh bhangal are these pledges in terms of is it realistic when they're talking about stopping the boats and

deaung about stopping the boats and dealing with modern slavery laws and things like that? i mean, let's have a look. yeah let's have a look at the facts now. >> right. the facts are that conservatives talk the talk but have not walked the walk. they've not stopped the boats. they've not stopped the boats. the boats weren't a problem before, but they've all become a problem now. and migration has gone up. so do we trust anything they say? they can't get a flight off to rwanda. pretty much. the public mind might be made up on that. labour. most definitely have got grabbed a great idea and stopping the gangs. that is definitely one, problem that needs to be solved. these gangs, which are operating for 20 years from the french coast, sending people to the kent coast, the same route, same method, yet we can't catch them because despite our elite units, they're ten steps ahead of us. i don't believe that for a second. if we can catch bin laden and gaddafi and saddam hussein holed up in a stronghold, we can't catch these gangs operating on these shores. it just does not make sense, the safe routes definitely needs to be an option. italy has done the same

with albania. it's just done a deal to open a processing centre there. why haven't we opened one with our neighbours when france actually offered this to us? when priti patel was home secretary and we refused it, we refused a safe processing centre that will stop at least some, if not all, people crossing the channels. i don't believe in punishing britain british businesses at all, or, you know, or british homeowners or anything like that. why are we punishing british businesses? what we should have been doing is training our own. at the same time. once our own are trained , time. once our own are trained, then by all means put caps on foreigners coming over to take that over. however, in the last 14 years, and especially since brexit, we were promised that we would be our own, would be trained a still remain in hospitality, in construction and also in the care sector. now you can't put a cap on a care sector because that will crumble in virtually months if we do that and we're already seeing the effects of the policy of not allowing their dependents to

come over because carers just aren't choosing to come here anymore. so don't. sharon, let's have a mixture and a sensible policy. and i think all three parties are missing the ball here. we might need an amalgamation and let's talk to the people. british businesses. why are we punish them with further tax? we they already charged. we already charge extra £1,000 per year per worker for british business to call them oven british business to call them over. on top of that, they have to pay 38,700 to a person just to pay 38,700 to a person just to call them over to work here. and a junior doctor only gets 32.5. >> so i think , i think this >> so i think, i think this conversation is quite difficult to have when we're talking about irregular migration and legal migration in one debate, because you can agree with, like jonathan said, certainly with the labour policy on legal migration , whereas i too would migration, whereas i too would say the greens policy with the safe and legal routes is a lot is a lot better. but it's hard to talk both of the things at the same time . the same time. >> well, what about the liberal

democrats then? because they're fighting for fair, effective immigration, a system they want to scrap the conservatives hostile environment and instead invest in officers training and technology to tackle smuggling , technology to tackle smuggling, trafficking and modern slavery. they want to transfer powers over to work visas, overseas students and asylum from the home office to their other departments and establish a new sort of arm length unit, a bit like the labour party. it sounds like. i mean, they're all on it, but if you had to sort of decide and choose one out of those parties, which one would get your vote? jonathan, liz . your vote? jonathan, liz. >> well, i as i said, i would support the green party because they are unabashedly pro—immigration. and i think that labour has been very reticent to make the case for immigration over the last few years. i think that's regrettable. and keir starmer famously pledged in 2020 to defend free movement as we left the eu that sadly didn't happen. i think that was a great loss, actually, to british people. but you know that that argument has now ended . but i you know that that argument has now ended. but i think you know that that argument has

now ended . but i think that we now ended. but i think that we do need to separate out, separate these issues , as we separate these issues, as we were just saying about sort of, you know, regular and irregular migration, it's only illegal migration, it's only illegal migration because the government has made it illegal. the government could make it legal for people to come here on registered, on registered vessels and then claim asylum, which is as absolute human rights. well, you might you might , you rights. well, you might you might, you might find that you exacerbate the problem doing it that way . that way. >> gary mond, just name your party. which one do you think has the best deal in terms of migration, both legal and illegal? >> well, i think the conservative party under suella braverman, if they have her policies and they actually are implemented, that will be the optimum policy. >> okay. amy, nicole . >> okay. amy, nicole. >> okay. amy, nicole. >> i think it's going to it would definitely be labour. it would definitely be labour. it would not be the tories. look at the results of the last 14 years. they speak for themselves and the people agree with me because for one of the first times, perhaps in recent history anyway, and the people who agreed with you, if it's like, on this channel, perhaps ,

on this channel, perhaps, polling is putting labour ahead typically on immigration policy. so >> okay. hardeep singh bhangal, if you were to pick one out of the i think it's got to be laboun >> and i think why? because they're talking sensible. we've seen the conservatives in action that you know they haven't done it. they've dropped the ball on this. are the other parties according to the polls going to get in doesn't really matter. it's a moot point, it looks as if labour are running away with the election. it probably will be labour's policies . so let's be labour's policies. so let's see what keir starmer can do. well, let's see if we can. it'll be interesting. >> what happens then, if the labour party do win the next general election? because i think they'll have a sea of boats coming across with the good weather. i ipso in bengal, thank you very much. also amy nicole turner, jonathan lewis and also gary mond. really good to talk to you. thank you for your views. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio i'm nana akua. coming up we will continue with the great british debate. i'm asking which party plan gets your vote on migration policy that is both legal and illegal. you will hear the

thoughts of my panel, danny kelly and nigel nelson. still to come, my outside guests will talk highs, lows and lessons learned. and what comes next on the outside, my guest has a notable presence on every major uk soap over the past three decades. he's an author , a decades. he's an author, a producer, a voice artist, loads of things. wonder birds. there's a big clue there. can you guess who she is? first, let's get your latest news headlines . your latest news headlines. >> just after 430, the top stories from the newsroom this afternoon. migration is being included in labour's manifesto, with the party promising to reduce the number if it wins the upcoming general election in july. sir keir starmer says he'll introduce new laws to train british workers to plug gapsin train british workers to plug gaps in the job market and to strengthen anti exploitation laws. speaking to the sun on sunday, he said last year's net migration figure of 685,000 people has to come down. he

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good afternoon. welcome back. if you've just tuned in, where on earth have you been? it's just coming up to 40 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. we are britain's election channel. i'm nana akua now let's continue with our great british debate this hour. and i'm asking which party's plan gets your vote on migration policy. now labour's plan, which was introduced by the shadow home secretary, yvette cooper , aims to reduce yvette cooper, aims to reduce reliance on foreign labour. now this is their legal migration policy by draining by training unemployed britons for roles in care, construction and engineering. they want to end the system that gives businesses a 20% discount for overseas and

recruitment on illegal migration. they are looking at their border command, aren't they? keir starmer lady's policies. he wants an elite force, a combination of all the different bodies like the cia and so on and so forth is right. it's not the m15 , it's not the it's not the m15, it's not the cia. is that american? i'm thinking about america, not i'm thinking about america, not i'm thinking about america, not i'm thinking about america. but anyway, so m15 and all that kind of thing . now the tories, now of thing. now the tories, now they're pushing on with their controversial plan to deport asylum seekers to rwanda. that is their illegal migration policy. despite legal challenges and delays, with no flights which haven't taken off, none have taken off yet. legally, they want the right people for they want the right people for the job. so that is in terms of skills and so on and so forth. so i think theirs is more a point type structure reform now led by richard tice. they're proposing for legal migration, higher national insurance rates for businesses employing foreign workers. their plans aim to reduce dependency on cheap overseas labour and use the

revenue for training, the apprenticeships for young people and the liberal for young people. they are also talking about illegal migration, about turning the boats back. i looked at one of their policies and it was to send them back to france . was to send them back to france. the liberal democrats are they're fighting a fair, effective. this is their words, a fair, effective immigration system. that's fair plan that treats everyone with dignity and respect. the party states are the best way to stop these dangerous crossings. so this is illegal migration. it is to provide safe and legal routes to for the sanctuary of those that needit for the sanctuary of those that need it , they also talked about need it, they also talked about fair for everyone, which is illegal side of it. that's the business side in the meantime, the greens, they want to implement a fair and humane system of managed immigration where we treat all migrants as if they are citizens and stop any profiteering from application fees, as well as plans to dismantle the home office. so the great british debate this i'm asking which party's plan gets your vote on migration policy? both legal and

illegal. right. let's see what my panel make of that. i'm joined by broadcast journalist danny kelly, also gb news senior political editor at nigel nelson. danny kelly. >> i'm not convinced keir starmer's plan to get some sort of multi—agency dynamic to tackle the smuggling gangs. i said this a couple of weeks ago. the only reason that people are paying the only reason that people are paying three, 4 or ,5000 to get on a dinghy is because it's run by the mafia, it's run by the mob. so you remove the mafia and the mob, then people are just go and source their own dinghies. they're too frightened to source their own dinghies at the moment, because they know that they're going to be beaten up by they're going to be beaten up by the mafia. that's how it works. so remove the mob. people will just find out their own ways and just find out their own ways and just imagine how much cheaper it would be just to buy a dinghy for ,500 and get five people on it. so that's the reason that that won't work as far as the greens are concerned, that just seems an incentive to anyone to come over. i am all for fair asylum and fair recognition of people in peril around the world. i'm just not convinced that everybody who claims to be in peril around the world is

legitimate. i'm convinced that the majority are not legitimate. ihave the majority are not legitimate. i have no way of proving this. of course i don't. but it's just the gut feeling. so i like the rwanda plan in the sense that i think it's working. even the threat of being deported to rwanda seems to be working. it's gaining traction around europe , gaining traction around europe, and i think it's a shame that we're going to have an election before even one plane takes off. >> maybe that's the reason, though. perhaps that there would be so many people coming over in the summer months with the weather the way it is, but then the plan will be tested. that's just my thoughts that perhaps that's why. what about you, nigel nelson? >> well, we have to we have to divide into two bits. >> that's what i've done. >> that's what i've done. >> yeah. so first of all, there is no silver bullet for any of it. and that no party is going the silver bullet a good thing? well, if you want to stop, if you want to stay, i was going to say i'm not coming towards anything. >> it is. yeah if you want, if you want, if you want to, rejoin , use legal migration and stop people coming across on boats, then you've got to find some something that's going to do it,

and nobody has so far. so i think that the if we take the legal migration side , reform legal migration side, reform have got this idea that you can make it more expensive to bring cheap labour over here from abroad simply by by charging 20% employer national insurance tax. >> so it'll be more expensive for the employer. >> yeah. which is a nonsense because why is that? well, it's a nonsense because all it does is add add add extra money, extra costs to the employer. at the moment the government have done what? well, that's the point, isn't it? >> so the employer is incentivised. >> yes, but . incentivised. >> yes, but. but incentivised. >> yes, but . but the government >> yes, but. but the government have already done the incentives so far. so, for instance , you so far. so, for instance, you mentioned the, the 20% discount rate for wages for a foreign worker that went on april the 4th. so now if you bring a foreign worker over here in a shortage occupation, they must get paid the same as a british worker. so there's no benefit in getting a foreign worker on the skilled worker visas that

increased by £12,000. >> but they're trying to make a benefit to get a british worker. yeah. so levelling the playing field is fine, but then you might still end up with a foreign worker. so they're trying to uneven the playing field so that it is in the favour of the british worker. that's what i'm saying. >> then the question is you've got to make sure there is a british worker to go and do that job. you come then to labour's policy, which is talking about training people up for those jobs. but you still might need a foreign worker who still gets a discount if you do. a belly dancer is one of them. as an example, a fishing boat skipper. you may have to get those from abroad. >> all right? okay. well, listen, what do you think this show is? nothing without you. let's welcome our great british voices. their opportunity to be on the show and tell us what they think about the topics we're discussing. let's go to kidderminster. john reed, john reed, which party gets your vote on illegal and legal migration? you've got to choose one. >> yeah. okay. then a straight answer from somebody who's not a politician. the people who get my vote is labour. now, it's not because i trust them implicitly. i don't i don't think that everything they do is perfect. i

just trust them more than i do the tories, that's all. so in this kind of two state race that we've got going on, we can ignore everybody else, can't we. because they're not going to form a government, are they? it's going to be labour or tories who form the government. and one is likely, and i would give my vote to the labour, not just based on migration , on the just based on migration, on the whole thing they're offering. but your question, the simple answer is who would get in terms of migration, who's policy works better for you? >> so you think the labour party have a better policy? >> i think so , yeah, i think i >> i think so, yeah, i think i think that they they need to do something obviously about illegal immigration. of course they do. >> i really don't understand why these dinghies that people are using to come across are not turned around. mid—channel. >> well, that would be reform. that's what reform is saying. that's what reform is saying. that's what reform is saying. that's what they would do. >> yeah , i know it's what they >> yeah, i know it's what they say they do, but but what chance have they got reforming the government to make it happen. you know it's very slow isn't it. so in practical terms, you think the labour party's policy is working the beach recently where, was it gendarmes or the

british police were simply putting a knife through the dinghy so that it wouldn't float and it would be. well, they don't do no idea . don't do no idea. >> well, listen, john, john reid, i've got to go. we've got to rush to the break. but thank you very much. john reid. john reid, he's a great british voice, what do you think? gb views gbnews.com/yoursay coming up. is the labour's private school plan unravelling next worldview. we'll to paul duddndge to paul duddridge and get the latest on going on stateside

52 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. we are britain's election channel. i'm nana akua now. we mentioned kidderminster. so these are the list of all the candidates in kidderminster we have for the green party. john davies , conservatives. mark davies, conservatives. mark garnier, reform uk. bill hopkins, the liberal democrats, shasu meyer for labour, vicky smith for the independent . it's smith for the independent. it's lee whitehouse, right. well, i'm

joined now by broadcast from journalist danny kelly and also senior gb news political editor nigel nelson. so we were talking about these this whole issue with, you know, who who looks better on the stage in terms of legal and illegal migration and i did i did cut you off so you can carry on. nigel, what about the liberal democrats. >> well, and the lib dems do have have a good idea is the question of how of how you put into practice what they're saying is that we should have safe and legal routes, which would then take the take calais away as a draw from migrants to get across system at the moment. is that to claim asylum you must do it on british soil. so if you do it on british soil. so if you do that, that just encourages people to cross the channel, get into dover and claim asylum when they get here. if you were able to do it in a different way, say for instance, from refugee camps and you're able to actually process your asylum seekers there a bit like what italy is doing with albania , then that doing with albania, then that would take away the draw of

calais . calais. >> do you think that that is true, though, because the kind of people that will cross on, on a dinghy will probably cross, even if there is a safe and legal route, which a lot of them are coming from countries where there are safe and legal routes. >> well, i mean, i don't think you'll ever stop the boats completely . so you're absolutely completely. so you're absolutely right. you may still have some people doing it, but but you will reduce the trade. >> do you think gary, danny, just to look at reform's policy, they want to turn back the boats. now, this is very brave. this is a big policy that australia had a lot of success in. now reforms. uk's nigel farage will often say, look at what happened in australia. i think tony abbott was the prime minister or something. and then he'll quite rightly say that there was a difference in between the vessels. so you've got something flimsy, you've got something more robust . and he something more robust. and he says that people are just going to throw themselves in the drink and, and if reform uk's policy were to work, if they had the balls to do it, then that would certainly get a lot of. >> yeah, but the trouble is stay tuned. loads more on the way next. be quiet.

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matter of moments. coming up, though , the great british debate though, the great british debate i'm asking is labour's private school plan unravelling before our very eyes. but first, let's get an update with your weather and then we will get some news. actually, i think this is a let's get some news with some. >> very good evening to you. it's just after 5:00. the top stories from the newsroom. and first we'll bring you an update on the election campaign. so far today, migration is at the forefront of labour's campaigning. after accusing the conservatives of having repeatedly broken their promises. sir keir starmer's promising to bring net migration down if he wins the general election with new laws that he says would train british workers and plug gaps in the job market. speaking to the sun, he said that last year's net migration figure of 685,000 has to come down well, shadow home secretary yvette cooper has refused to put a time frame on that or set specific targets on the promise .

specific targets on the promise. >> well, net migration has trebled in the last five years under the conservatives. one of the biggest drivers of that has been work migration. we're not setting a target , a specific setting a target, a specific target on it, and the reason for thatis target on it, and the reason for that is partly because the conservatives have just effectively ripped up all the targets that they've set over many years. they've discredited the whole process, but also more importantly, because there are short term factors that can affect the numbers and what we think instead is we need to have a long term approach that is about bringing net migration down and tackling the failings in the system. >> meanwhile , the conservatives >> meanwhile, the conservatives say that they'd free up 20 million gp appointments by the end of the next parliament if they return to power. they're promising 100 new gp surgeries, two in england and to modernise 150 others. the party's also pledging to expand the pharmacy first scheme. those plans would , first scheme. those plans would, they say, be paid for by cutting they say, be paid for by cutting the number of nhs managers to pre—pandemic levels. health

secretary victoria adkins says they're working to make the nhs better . better. >> my job as health secretary, for example, is to explain our vision for our nhs, which is to reform it to make it faster, simpler and fairer. and some of the announcements i have today concerning gp surgeries concerning gp surgeries concerning pharmacy first and community diagnostic centres are the ways that we will help deliver that over the coming years. we are going to fund this. it's fully funded, we're going to fund it partly through a reduction of managers in the nhs and the snp have launched their election campaign in glasgow today, accusing labour and the conservative leaves of failing scotland. >> first ministerjohn swinney told a crowd that people in scotland want rid of what he called the disastrous, chaotic conservative government. he also spoke about independence under the snp , saying it would allow the snp, saying it would allow the snp, saying it would allow the country to make its own decisions to and enhance the lives of scottish people. >> and it's the people of scotland i want to speak to

directly today as we set out our message. let me make this commitment to the people of scotland. i am here to serve you all. i am here to work hard to win your trust and your confidence . i am here to give confidence. i am here to give everything i have to secure the best future for our country . best future for our country. >> well, turning away from election news to london, where the metropolitan police have confirmed 56 people were arrested at wembley last night at the champions league final. thousands of football fans were at the stadium to watch real madrid beat borussia dortmund. police say five people were arrested for pitch invasion and dozens of others for attempting to breach security there. the fa has now confirmed that no one who tried to get into the stadium without a ticket was successful , and in israel there successful, and in israel there is division over the proposed ceasefire deal to end the war in

gaza. demonstrations broke out overnight in tel aviv, won against the government. there the other calling for the release of hostages. protesters want a deal agreed that would see the return of israelis who were kidnapped by hamas in october last year, two senior right wing ministers, though, have threatened to quit and to bnng have threatened to quit and to bring down the coalition government if the israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, agrees to that us brokered deal nonh agrees to that us brokered deal north korea has launched. what's being described as a bizarre barrage of balloons filled with rubbish, cigarette butts and suspected animal waste floating towards its southern neighbour. more than 700 balloons have been found so far in various parts of south korea, with chemical and explosive clearance teams now dispatched to recover any debris. in seoul, the south korean government calling it a dirty provocation from the north. however, pyongyang says it's in retaliation for defectors and activists who often send their own inflatables

across the border containing leaflets. food, medicine and usb sticks loaded with k—pop videos . sticks loaded with k—pop videos. well, some space news for you in a historic first, china has successfully landed on the dark side of the moon. the unmanned chang six lunar probe is exploring a region that no other country has ever managed to reach, and is on a mission to collect rock and soil samples, the european space agency says. it's a mean feat given there's no line of sight for communication, making robotic landings more challenging . and landings more challenging. and finally, a couple who scooped £1 million in the lottery say they'll both continue working as police officers. that's despite their life changing win. graham white and his wife catherine, are planning , they say, to buy are planning, they say, to buy their dream home in the countryside, along with some goats and chickens. their wish list also includes a trip to disneyland for their children and, if they're lucky, a pet dog.the and, if they're lucky, a pet dog. the couple say that finding out that they'd won was a life changing experience. >> we were just waking up to get

the kids ready for school and we were talking. >> graham was checking his phone because i'm boring to talk to, and then just out of the blue said, shut up a minute. >> i think we've won the lottery. >> so checked it carried on just getting the kids ready for school, and at first we miscounted and thought 100,000 and were still jumping up and down for that. >> and then we sort of stopped for a second and recounted and yeah, it was crazy. >> absolutely ridiculous. >> absolutely ridiculous. >> absolutely ridiculous. >> a big congratulations to graham and catherine. well, for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts. just scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news common alerts. now though, let's get back to . nana. though, let's get back to. nana. >> good afternoon. it's just coming up to seven minutes after 5:00. this is gb news on tv onune 5:00. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. and for the next hour , me and my panel. i can hear it now. people saying my panel and l, now. people saying my panel and i, me and my panel. if people

always do that to me, they keep sending me messages saying it's my panel and i, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine. it's theirs. and of course it is yours . we'll be debating yours. we'll be debating discussing it. at times we will disagree, but no one will be cancelled. so joining me today is broadcaster and journalist danny kelly, also gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson. still to come, we will cross live to los angeles to speak to paul duddridge to get the latest on trump or the stuff going on with his campaign. plus we've got the house, the speaker of the house saying of the supreme court saying that should they overturn, they will overturn trump's verdict. but what do you think then? every sunday at five, i'm joined by a celebrity, a former mp or someone who's had an extremely interesting career to take a look at life after the job. we talk highs, lows and lessons learnt and what comes next on the outside. and today i'm joined by the only actress in the uk who has appeared in every major tv soap in the last 30 years as a regular character. have you got it ? do you

years as a regular character. have you got it? do you think she is then for the great british debate this hour i'm asking is labour's private school plan unrwa kvelling, a second private school has blamed labour's tax raid for their closure of sir keir starmer has promised to charge private schools that, as well as business rate relief , schools that, as well as business rate relief, ending that if he comes into power after the next general election . after the next general election. so i'm asking, is labour's private school plan unravelling ? private school plan unravelling? as ever? gbnews.com/yoursay . as ever? gbnews.com/yoursay. right. so each sunday, just after five, i'm joined by a celebrity, a former mp or someone who's had an extremely interesting career to take a look at. life after the job. we talk highs, lows and lessons learnt and what comes next on the outside. and this week my guest is an actor, a writer, producer and a voiceover artist . producer and a voiceover artist. she started her career in television as an impressionist in now who do you do? and then

went on to appear in some of the most iconic british comedy and drama programmes, such as the two ronnies, holby city and miss marple . she worked with the marple. she worked with the likes of david jason, spike milligan , john cleese and tracey milligan, john cleese and tracey ullman, and currently you can watch her in an online sensation, wonder birds, which she created with three friends, as well as having a distinguished tv stage and voiceover career, she's also an ambassador of the national bullying helpline, the retired police railway dogs and also buses for homeless. who do you think she is? did you get it? of course it's actor actor debbie arnold. debbie arnold god, you've done so. actor okay, darling. darling. actor yeah, i sort of feel weird saying that because you're an actress, but then we've gone gender neutral. and of course, it ends up on the man. the male version. yes they should be called actresses, but that would be good, wouldn't it ? that would be good, wouldn't it? well, some of them want to be called actresses. to be fair. yes i just finished a show last night. what did you finish doing? >> calendar girls? >> calendar girls? >> oh, wow. >> oh, wow. >> getting the kit off after all

these ? these? >> well, all of it. well, yeah. >> well, all of it. well, yeah. >> really? i was behind something . oh. something. oh. >> but, but it was fantastic. >> but, but it was fantastic. >> it was at the mill at sonning. have you ever been there? >> i've not been there. >> i've not been there. >> oh, my god, it was . it was >> oh, my god, it was. it was magnificent. it's the best show i've ever done with the best cast i've ever had. and the best, you know, director sally. and it's. oh, you know, when you do a job that you really love. and yesterday was the last night. and they stopped now. oh no, it's all stopped. >> well, but listen, you've done so much and you literally haven't stopped. you've been working constantly. a lot of people don't get that. talk to me about your early life and how you came to do what you're doing how. >> now. >> my father was an impressionist, and so when i was little, my first impression was, who did he do? >> what was he? >> what was he? >> well, he was he was a very, very big star. but he died. he had a brain tumour. oh, no, 32. >> what was his name? eddy arnold. and he was just about to go to america and. >> and open the pink flamingo with ethel merman in vegas. so it was really, really devastating and sad what happened to him. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> well , that's so sad to hear >> well, that's so sad to hear that. yeah, but he sort of

opened the path for you to go. he talked me into that? yes. >> like, how does grandpa cough, you know, and little things like that. you know, and little things like that . and i always did funny that. and i always did funny voices. i never thought it was going to be a profession. i mean, you know, but it was. >> who was your best voice to do ? >> 7. >>i 7- >> i used 7— >> i used to do 7 >> i used to do marilyn monroe a lot, you know, blonde hair runs in my family. gee, i guess i shouldn't use such a cheap rinse . it's really good. >> so what were your first jobs in the industry? >> well, i my mother, my mother remarried. i didn't really want to, you know, she didn't want me to, you know, she didn't want me to go in the industry. but really, there was no chance. and. and i got a job as a secretary in a record company. and i was so awful. i really was bad. and this guy came in and he said, excuse me, is this terry brown's office? and i said, yes, it is. he said, you're from my part of the world. and i said, no, i'm not. he said, where are you from? i said, i'm from sunderland. and he went from sunderland. >> yeah, i went to university there. >> oh well, it's a nice, as my mother would say, it's a nice place to come from, not to go to really, i loved it. >> did you. i did because it was by the water wasn't it. and you

know, by the water, pet. >> yes. >> yes. >> hey, can you park roker park? they call it joker park because they never won anything. >> no, they did in 1973. >> no, they did in 1973. >> they did? yeah. no, don't start me off, so. and in 1937. that's true. yeah >> i don't think i was born then. no. >> not quite. i was i mean, were you actually, i'm not that old. well, you look good on it if you are, but you're not. no, no. you'd have to have wheeled me in. but. yes. so anyway, so i started as a said, i think you should meet the producer of who do you do? and i literally went in my lunch hour to meet this producer who said, i mean, it wouldn't happen today. yeah. you're great. you can do funny voices. you've got a series. and i went home to my mum said, i'm giving up my secretarial job and i'm going to do impressions. and now who do you do? and she went, what? and it kind of went from there. >> did it help that you were related to somebody who was famous or did they not know? >> well, my dad had died so long before i was only seven when he died. oh, so you know, and he was ill for quite a few years before, so no, they didn't know. but then that helped me. and

then i realised i didn't want to be a stand up and do impressions. and then i started just going for auditions to act. and then that's what happened. i just started getting jobs and it was absolutely brilliant. one of the first jobs i got was coronation street. oh, i love because i used to write to the producer every week. i used to send him poems, and he called me and he said, debbie, please , if and he said, debbie, please, if i give you this job, will you stop sending me poems ? so i did, stop sending me poems? so i did, and i got the job. >> so how long were you on coronation street? well, the first time. >> and my first lines here, you're going to love it. my first, it was to mike baldwin, and i had to say to him what you are, mike, you're as slippery as are, mike, you're as slippery as a wet welly. and i thought, if i say wet my whole career . but i say wet my whole career. but i was sort of in and out for 18 months, and some kid who was playing my boyfriend , so he was playing my boyfriend, so he was very old. it was the time of dallas and dynasty. i love that, yeah. so they thought they'd bnngin yeah. so they thought they'd bring in an old man with a young bird. but unfortunate. he working with me, killed him. he died when we were shooting, so we had to go back and reshoot a lot of stuff. and so that was

that. and then at that time, i just got married to john challis, you know , in only fools challis, you know, in only fools and horses, and i was sort of his child bride as well. so and he showed me a lot about the business. and from then i started doing lots of plays and stuff like that. and i really loved it. and then i did, i got the part , opposite omar sharif the part, opposite omar sharif in the west end in the sleeping prince , and that's where ronnie prince, and that's where ronnie barker saw me and wrote me this letter saying, i've just seen you, and i hope you're not going to be insulted, but i've written a part for you. and she's called voluptua goodbody. >> wow. you see, now, this is quite impressive because you've done a lot in your life, and a lot of people don't manage to get the continuity of work all the time, which you've obviously managed and it's very, very impressive. and the jobs that you've done have been incredible. i mean, you have what you have been in holby city, you've been in miss marple, minder, now minder , so marple, minder, now minder, so that i love minder. >> did you love i loved minder,

yes, i love it, i loved it and i was lucky enough to do the movie of minder and also in episode and it chennai six that this saturday, the 8th of june, is that saturday or sunday? that's the 8th of june at the cinema museum in kennington . we're museum in kennington. we're having a minder exhibition. a reunion reunited and minder minder exhibition. obviously we can't have dennis and george because they are in the minder in heaven, but we've got gary webster who sort of took over from dennis and yeah , then next from dennis and yeah, then next weekend, so come and see me signing autographs and talking about our time in minder. >> what is your unfortunately, your mike's going a bit funny, sadly, so we'll have to cut this brief , but hopefully we can sadly, so we'll have to cut this brief, but hopefully we can come back to you in a moment. so stay right there. that, of course, is actor debbie arnold. she's amazing, isn't she ? let's amazing, isn't she? let's quickly head over to the united states and have a quick chat with paul duddridge. he's the host of the politics people podcast. trump is still leading in the polls despite his guilty verdict with the house speaker saying that the supreme court should overturn the trump verdict . joining me now is paul verdict. joining me now is paul duddridge. paul duddridge, talk

me through what's been going on, what's been going on there? i mean , he's been found guilty. mean, he's been found guilty. what's next? >> well, we've gone from banana repubuc >> well, we've gone from banana republic to full fruit salad this week. it's good to see show trials making a comeback . trials making a comeback. >> what we've had obviously everybody knows now trump has been he's a convicted felon, apparently, mike johnson , apparently, mike johnson, speaker of the house, has already, laid his cards on the table and said that the supreme court should and probably would and will overturn this , and will overturn this, conviction. ultimately, it's got to go through all the appeals. >> we have to wait till sentencing on july the 11th. >> doesn't look like he's going to get a prison sentence. he's going to be 78 years old. first offence. by the time july the 11th comes around. and, judge merchant has actually said in the proceedings leading up to this, he didn't want to interfere with the campaign. and so it's unlikely that trump is actually going to see the inside of a cell. however the sentencing, i think, will be everything up to the point of

actual incarceration. but for mike johnson, who is speaker of the house and, you know, there's supposed to be the separation of powers in the united states for him to come out so overtly and say the supreme court should overturn this, because, look, this, this is an election, a federal election being interfered with at a local, i mean, a very local, level on an accounting, anomaly. and so that really does trigger a lot of, fears among the federal powers in this country. and so it's great that mike johnson is speaking out so overtly on this. >> well, it is important because once the floodgates have opened, let's just say that trump does win the next election. for those who have done this to him, that they will be wrath. they will be response . surely he won't be response. surely he won't be happy with it. so i think obviously it's in their interest to ensure that he doesn't win , to ensure that he doesn't win, because it does feel just from observing here in the uk that there's something very odd going on, there's something very odd going on.

>> and look, the one can of worms that they really have overlooked is like, okay, well now we can prosecute former presidents. and there are living former presidents. and if we let's say trump doesn't win, i still think he's got a real problem. i don't think he can. but that's nothing to do with this case. you're still going to end up with a maga republican party. and probably a maga, congress. and they will be prosecuting former presidents. and that's not just biden, that's obama. and anybody you can you can pick apart absolutely anybody's history in this country famously, you know, if you put a stamp on a letter and send it, it's a federal offence in this country. so it's not difficult when you have a witch hunt to find a witch. >> well, listen, paul duddridge, apologies. it's short and sweet, but thank you very much. that's paul duddridge, host of the politics people podcast. if you just tuned in, this is gb news went live on tv, online and on digital radio. joining me, my outside guest debbie. debbie, it's so good to talk to you. let's we were just talking about

minder. you were saying that you worked on minder. you've done lots of things there. talk to me about that . because i think we about that. because i think we lost your mic just then and a little bit at the cinema museum you're doing now on the 8th of june with a minder reunion. >> so it'll be great for all the minder fans to come and see us. >> i'm trying to think who was in minder. >> george and dennis, george and dennis. and then gary webster took over from dennis, and then there were lots of other characters who came in and out. but i think because i was in a very funny episode where george had to pick me up, i was a hooken had to pick me up, i was a hooker, he had to pick me up, but he didn't want to sleep with me. he just wanted to put me in dennis's bed. and because he found a girlfriend , he didn't found a girlfriend, he didn't want him to have a girlfriend. so he put me in there. when they came home one night, they found me in bed. so that was that. was it. and then i came back, about, i don't know, six months later in the movie, playing a character like that , she was character like that, she was really, you know, my man, my antonio . antonio. >> you go. could you imagine that high pitched voice? oh my god. >> yes, exactly. >> yes, exactly. >> you know, you have done a

lot. it's very impressive. what would you say was the biggest highlight of your career? the best thing that you ever feel that you did? well, probably, starring opposite omar sharif in the sleeping prince. >> i think you know, i got that part with 900 other girls, went up for it, and it really was, you know, a cattle call. but i knew from the very beginning, i get it. and isn't that funny? i just, you know, you have that confidence , don't you? yeah. no confidence, don't you? yeah. no problem, yeah. and of course, all the people that came with him, you know, people that came to see the show, it was i remember knocking on my dressing room door and i said, opened it, and there was charlton heston. oh my god, you know, and jack lemmon and walter matthau, you know, everybody. prince rainier, they all came to see him. not me, of course, but they all came up to see me, you know, you can imagine them schlepping up all these stairs. you know, omar was in the suite. you know, the star suite. where's debbie? she's up there in the gods, you know. but it was it was brilliant. it was fantastic. and then then going into, soaps after that , i found into, soaps after that, i found that really quite interesting having, you know, worked in america for a little while as well after that, then went into a couple of soaps and i thought,

this is so interesting because i've met some of the biggest stars in the world, and yet in the uk here at that time, when i was in eastenders, that was like the biggest programme, you know, 25 million people, you couldn't walk down the street without being jumped on. >> what's happened to it? yeah, it doesn't make any sense. i watched it one time. i thought, what? that's ridiculous. it didn't make any sense. debbie, you just remind us your. what are you doing now? if people want to get in touch, how can they find you and how can they get involved? >> new show that's coming out called beauty investigates with dee anderson, who is dee and i produced together. we are business partners or shall i say reprobates ? reprobate? hardly. reprobates? reprobate? hardly. >> hardly. >> hardly. >> yes. and beauty investigates is on tonight at 6:00 on, channel 188. i think it is. or 186, i don't know, one of those channels tonight, and it's also online, and we talk about beauty treatments and what we should have. and what works and what doesn't. and that's, debbie mcgee is in that with me. oh, wonderful. so it's, so that's what i'm doing. and i'm also, i produced that and wonder birds we're doing tomorrow as we do

every it's on twice a week, so non—stop really. >> debbie arnold , thank you very >> debbie arnold, thank you very much. it's such a pleasure to talk to you. thank you so much for coming to talk to me. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> darling, that is the brilliant debbie arnold. she was my outside guest just coming up to 23 minutes after 5:00. coming up. should nigel farage become the leader of the tory party next, though, it's time for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, is private plan unravelling as we speak?

good afternoon. it's 26 minutes after 5:00. it's time for the great british debate. this hour . great british debate. this hour. and i'm asking, is labour's private school plan unravelling now? a second private school has blamed labour's tax raid for closure, as the keir starmer has promised to charge private schools 20% vat, as well as ending the business rate relief . ending the business rate relief. that's if he comes into power after the next general election . after the next general election. the party estimates that this will raise about 1.7 billion of

funds to be spent on state schools, bear in mind the full schools, bear in mind the full school funding budget is around about 116 billion. labour, however , have been urged to however, have been urged to abandon its plans to charge that if budget watchdog . if the if budget watchdog. if the budget watchdog says that it will not make any money and cost the taxpayer. so if the great british debate this are, i'm asking , is british debate this are, i'm asking, is labour's british debate this are, i'm asking , is labour's private asking, is labour's private school plan unravelling? well, joining me now is the former labour spokesperson james matthewson and also head teacher christine cunniffe. ryan, i'm going to start with you, james matthewson . so we've got another matthewson. so we've got another private school shutting saying that this was the straw that broke the camel's back. and you've got the obr now suggesting to the labour party that it may not make any money, and they'll close it down or suggest that it's closed down if it doesn't. and you've also now got unions saying, hold on a minute. teachers saying they're scared of losing their jobs is this plan unravelling? james >> i hope not, is the answer. >> i hope not, is the answer. >> i hope not, is the answer. >> i don't think it is. >> i hope not, is the answer. >> i don't think it is . looking >> i don't think it is. looking at the wide scale, kind of scope of the plan as a whole.

>> but i do think, you know, there has to be consultation. people have to be listened to and involved and that includes the private school sector. i don't think they should be, you know, written off altogether and dictated to entirely. however we do have to remember that, you know, whilst certain private schools will be hit by this. and i mean, we're talking, you know, about, people saying that it's the straw that broke the camel's back already. labour aren't even in power. labour hasn't won an election yet, so it's fascinating for that to be the case. >> well, no, if you think about it, no parents plan ahead. no no, that's that's you've got to be honest. but but they're planning ahead . so parents will planning ahead. so parents will be looking at putting their kids in these schools in the coming years and months and so on and so forth. so that that is why to be factored in. >> and private schools are businesses at the end of the day and they have to be viable. what is it the conservatives always say about the private sector and about, you know, the free market? you have to be a viable business. you don't have the right to exist . and it's exactly right to exist. and it's exactly the same with private schools. they exist for profit at the end of the day, and they need to be able to support themselves and this is just a factor of that.

and that shouldn't stop us from proposing a really good policy, which overall is a really good policy and a solid policy that will benefit so many more children and help raise be the tide that raises all boats . tide that raises all boats. >> and is that true, though? is that true, let's go to christine carney. will this policy be of a benefit to help the state sector ? >> 7- >> one 7_ >> one word. ? >> one word. no. >> one word. no. >> and today has been a really frustrating day. and it started off with yvette cooper with camilla tominey this morning, asked directly four times how this would work, and there was no answer at all. >> there is no answer because there are no plans. >> there's no outcomes that support this policy. >> everything is going against it. the adam smith institute, the national papers, the unions , the national papers, the unions, the national papers, the unions, the obr, what more. well it does seem, james, that everything is going against it also that sector, if you imagine the mental trauma of a child having to come out of their school, especially many doing gcses and, you know, very important, very

important times , it's about important times, it's about a half a million kids in these schools. surely labour won't make the money it intended if a large portion of those so far estimated 40,000 leave off. >> yeah, but i just don't see that being the case. and if you have the money to send your children to private school, this is a luxury . children to private school, this is a luxury. remember, this is a luxury. we have a fantastic state school system in britain, full of passionate teachers, full of passionate teachers, full of passionate educators and people who do a huge amount with a very little amount that is given to them. so i think, you know, to talk about this as if it's some kind of right or requirement for everyone to have access to private schools, give people one thing and they cause a huge amount of, on inequality in our country. and the reason why and it's not out of, you know, kind of some evil conspired plan by the elites to keep things elite . of course keep things elite. of course it's not. but it happens because people want to give their children the best opportunities to send them to these schools. but what they get from those are confidence. and, i mean, i've

worked with so many westminster will, i think, sense of confidence . yeah. confidence. yeah. >> they get that. do you think that's possibly the problem with the perception of private schools, this school that is closing i think about a third of the pupils are special needs kids. so, you know, who cannot be in larger environments for in big schools. christine, is this part of the problem, this perception that private schools are for the elite, as it were ? are for the elite, as it were? >> yeah, 100. >> yeah, 100. >> the thing is, no politician politicians will come down and actually take a look at our schools. and there's a reason i was brought up in the state sector. i get it. >> i taught in the state sector, but there's a reason why 600,000 sets of parents choose to come to private schools. >> and if you want to talk about social divide once the children have to leave, they'll force themselves, you know , they've themselves, you know, they've got the means to be able to be tutored into the grammar schools. >> it will create a further social divide , surely. social divide, surely. >> i absolutely agree with will. >> i absolutely agree with will. >> surely you'll only end up with the elites in these schools. so if you price everybody out and that won't price anybody who anybody who

can pay for their children's education anyways, already, you know, head and shoulders above where many of the rest of us are in society at the moment. >> so it causes that, you know, to say that it stops inequality because it allows some inequality anyway, isn't necessarily true. but christie makes a good point there. i think about things like the grammar schools and the academy chains and those those chains, you know, those situations where people have to, tutor their kids to give them that advantage. and thatis to give them that advantage. and that is like a middle class access to another elite very quickly then, okay, very quickly i >>i -- >> i just need to get to this. okay. so you're talking about elites and everything. what about the damage that it will do to the kids and also the kids in the state sector, which will have to mop this up? james, very briefly , i don't i don't see how briefly, i don't i don't see how it would cause any damage to children in the state sector. >> if we're talking about children from. >> well, because you've got more children at the school, haven't you? so what about if you are these state schools already in, in the state's sector anyway i'm

going to christine. final word to you, christine. >> yeah, i mean, i agree there has to be a best education for all children, but it's not by ripping apart an independent sector that actually do support children where there are no fees, bursaries, scholarships, those children in need . those children in need. >> and for those of us that are a charity giving away to the needy on a daily basis, thank you very much. >> thank you so much, james mathewson and christine khalife are really good to talk to you both. well, what do you think are labour's plans unravelling? a lot of people who would normally be allies to the labour party are now turning against it. get in touch. gbnews.com/yoursay you're with me. i'm nana. akua, this is gb news. we're live on tv , online news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. coming up, we will continue with the great british debate. i'm asking is labour's private school plan unravelling ? you'll hear the unravelling? you'll hear the thoughts of my panel broadcaster danny kelly and also gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson. first, let's get your news headlines . your news headlines. >> gnaana, thank you very much.

533 and a look at the top stories tonight . labour is stories tonight. labour is promising to bring down net migration and to put british workers first. if the party wins the general election. sir keir starmer says he'll introduce new laws to train british workers and plug gaps in the jobs market. speaking to the sun on sunday, he said last year's net migration figure of 685,000 people has to come down. he didn't though , set a time frame didn't though, set a time frame or put a specific target on that promise . meanwhile, the promise. meanwhile, the conservatives say that they would free up 20 million gp appointments by the end of the next parliament if they return to power. the party has also pledged to build 100 new gp surgeries and modernise 150 others. they say those plans would be paid for by the cutting of the number of nhs managers to pre—pandemic levels . in pre—pandemic levels. in scotland, the first minister, john swinney, has launched the snp's election campaign at a rally in glasgow today. he

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right. so if you just tuned in. welcome. this time for the great british debate. this hour, i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm asking is labour's private school plan unravelling? a second private school has blamed labour's tax raid for closure . the 20% vat, raid for closure. the 20% vat,

as well as the business rate relief, which will go if keir starmer comes into power. so they estimated that the money they'll raise is 1.7 billion to spend on the state school sector. but labour have been urged to abandon it by, well, the abr , the watchdog has looked the abr, the watchdog has looked at it and said if it doesn't make the money you are expecting , it would be wise to abandon it as it may cost the taxpayer money. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, is labour's private school plan unravelling? well joining me now, danny kelly and also nigel nelson , nigel nelson, this is nelson, nigel nelson, this is your party's plan on private schools. a lot of people coming out against it, even the unions. >> yeah. the unions are worried about teachers losing their jobs, which is what the job of a union is, first of all, we've got to see if it actually works. now, i do appreciate that this is a this is a tax, a bit like the non—dom tax, where people don't have to pay it so parents can withdraw their kids from school or whatever. but what the evidence is showing is that, 7% of kids go to private school

that's unchanged over the last 20 years. in those 20 years that the real cost of fees has gone up the real cost of fees has gone ”p by the real cost of fees has gone up by 55. so money doesn't seem to be the an issue with with those parents. >> that's that's a really interesting synopsis from those things. that's not necessarily the reason though, is it? it doesn't mean that money's no object just because they're managing to pay for it. no >> all it means is that statistically, you haven't seen a drop in the number of kids going to private schools, despite until now, until now, increase in fees. well, until now, now, 2.7% already. yes. it will depend obviously on what the and what happens to those parents and those fees. i'm sure some parents will have to withdraw their children, but that's a real upheaval, isn't it? yeah, but the school you were talking about there was already in financial difficulties before this. >> yeah, well, this is the point . a lot of them are. so this extra 20% might end up with closing some of them. so whatever that is, if they do close, you won't get the money. the labour won't get the money.

they won't. danny, very briefly to you, i wonder what labour's plan is as it is unravelling. >> it's unravelling designs that nobody's getting what they close. a load of schools or so is this the politics of envy? i know they say that the 20% is going to create 6500 new teaching roles, which is that's the idea, but it's not working , the idea, but it's not working, is it? i've said this before, you know, mums and dads doesn't mean that that's disposable income. there's ten, 15, 18 grand. they, they they sacrifice cars, they sacrifice holidays, they sacrifice a lot of stuff to send their kids to school. not everyone's minted on this. 20% is going to send people, some people over the edge , because people over the edge, because the rich people will then go, oh, i'll pay all the years up front. >> then and before the vat comes in, and they can afford it. so all you'll end up with, in my view, just looking at it irrespective of which party comes up with this, is a an even greater divide between rich and poon greater divide between rich and poor, and a lot of kids who are just about affording it, ending up in the state sector, whether that can look after them, i don't know. but this is nothing without new. let's welcome our great british voices. let's see who we've got . i'm going to who we've got. i'm going to start with dan o'brien in hull. dan o'brien in hull. what do you think of this plan? it's labour's plan seems to be

unravelling . yes they do don't they. >> and if it's like in general with the world and the economy, if it's the top 1% that price rises are, they're not bothered by price rises because they are so massively wealthy. >> again , it's the middle >> again, it's the middle classes that strive as hard as they can and often take second or third jobs in order to put their kids through private education. and they are basically being punished for going the extra mile and wanting the best for their kids. so i tell you what, how to alienate your voters. let's punish them on education. it's absolutely ludicrous. >> okay, let's go to leigh webb . >> okay, let's go to leigh webb. >> okay, let's go to leigh webb. >> yeah. my take on this is that education providers should not be taxed at all, especially with that, with, with this i'm heanng that, with, with this i'm hearing around about 80 to 100,000 pupils would be leaving private school and going into the state sector. >> so i'd like to know from labour what they're going to do

to provide 80 to 100,000 places, you know, because, they've got all the extra costs of that. they've got to recruit teachers to teach us 80 to 100,000 people, you know, and it just doesn't make financial sense at all, well, it'll be interesting if the obr think that as well, then they may have to reconsider, lee. weapons down. fran thank you very much. very good to talk to you both. those are our voices. what do you think? stay tuned though. coming up, my mini debate. should nigel farage become the leader of the tory party? that's the rumour. it's those reforms. uk's nigel is reportedly already planning for life after the election. but next supplement sunday, my panel and i discuss some of the stories that caught their

eye. well, let's take a look at a story that's caught my eye. if you're just tuned in, it's the last few minutes of the show. i'm nana akua. it's all about nigel farage becoming the leader of the tory party as, nigel

farage has reportedly, allegedly or already planning for life after the election. whether that's his plan, i don't know. but the party's honorary president is hoping for a tory wipe—out. so he can absorb the party and transform the right in his own image. but is this a good move for british politics? do you even believe that? joining me, nigel farage. nigel nelson, nigel farage, if no, i'm not, no. nigel nelson and also danny kelly. who wants to go first. should we go with. well, i mean, it seems extraordinary. >> this idea that a the next tory party or the next version of the tory party will be more right wing than the last one. if they've lost the election to a party on the left. it just seems crazy to think you can go to the right. >> do you think the current tory party is right wing ? party is right wing? >> well, no. i think the current tory party is broadly moderate, which is where i think the voters are. >> well, they don't appear to be. >> no, i mean, i think that's because a lot of mistakes over the last 14 years. what i'd like to see nigel farage doing and,

and this is what, i felt he should have done back in 2016. i think he should be our ambassador in washington. >> well, i think that's what might end up happening because then if keir starmer, you're frightened of him, you lefty wallah, you know. but but but if he is no , but if he is the he is no, but if he is the ambassador then if keir starmer wins. yes then keir starmer will have to deal with him. >> and also if trump wins , i >> and also if trump wins, i mean, when trump won in 2016, i think if we'd had nigel as our ambassador over there, that would have been a huge benefit to britain. if trump wins this year , the same thing could year, the same thing could apply. >> and also if trump keir starmer want that, though, he won't make it. >> no, i mean, it's what i suggest should happen. it won't happen, i think. >> i think he loves america. of course he does. but i think, you know, if he can do anything domestically, i think i think he's a real patriot. i don't think he's a nationalist, but i think he's a nationalist, but i think he's a nationalist, but i think he's incredibly a patriot over there. no, but you can't be patriotic for a country you don't belong to. i think he wants to sort this country out, but he'd be representing britain, so he'd be. no, i know, but i think his priority is

domestic politics, like i said. so i think he's a patriot in the sense that he wants to sort things out domestically, but it shows how ruthless the man is, if indeed these rumours are true. because one, once you attach yourself to one party, then all of a sudden the rumours are going to attach himself. >> wasn't he a natural conservative to begin with? he was. he was a. >> it just shows how ruthless he can be. >> all he well, you know, well, whatever he does, we wish him well, but i think it's an interesting idea, and i think that he might end up as a special sort of envoy to the for the uk from washington. right. let's, let's let's time for a supplement sunday with my panel and to discuss some of the news stories that caught our eye. danny, you start with yours. yours is about hay fever. >> well, you may have noticed the eagle eyed may have noticed that i have jelly eyes. it's this time of the year where my eyes notice where my eyes will more or less close overnight. i struggle to open them up in the morning because of the eyes weeping. it's hay fever, nigel. you and i are allergic to different things. because nigel's hay fever started in april. mine has just started in the last 2 or 3 days, and this is from the birmingham post for all you brummies up there. hay

fever warning for birmingham as pollen count soars and six nhs tips to stop the itching. so google that if , like tips to stop the itching. so google that if, like me, you need help with your hay fever, there are some simple , easy to there are some simple, easy to do tips. but never underestimate how debilitating . how debilitating. >> oh, i don't at all. i used to have hay fever and i still get it every now and again. nigel nelson. >> what caught my eye was a piece in the sunday mirror, which is a survey of those annoying office speak phrases, the kind used by david by david brent in the office. oh yeah, things like, run it up, up the flagpole , move the needle. that flagpole, move the needle. that mean. exactly. people are saying that they're baffled by the meaning of these things, touch base hang glowing fruit that they don't like it. >> so. or low hanging fruit, low hanging, not hang glowing fruit. >> that's a new one. that's a cow you just created , so cow you just created, so i suppose i suppose we ought. >> blue sky thinking is allowed . >> blue sky thinking is allowed. >> blue sky thinking is allowed. >> that's another one. yeah, that's another one that we should think outside the box and circle back on these, on these phrases to say, well , listen, my phrases to say, well, listen, my one is this. >> and this is something that i

thought was quite incredible. i wanted to draw attention to it as thousands of nhs patients have been given access to trials of personalised cancer vaccines andifs of personalised cancer vaccines and it's using the tha vaccine technique that they, had with covid. and it's the messenger vaccine that sort of gets a list of things from your body and then actually has a personalised, vaccine that can treat your cancer and your cancer alone. so it literally is. and it could save the nhs a lot of money, it's a national first, and lots of people in this country are now getting on to this trial, so it starts today and there's lots 100% success rate or swimming with it. >> does latching onto mrna. >> does latching onto mrna. >> that's it. yeah. >> that's it. yeah. >> so what it means is that the covid vaccine did some good. well, the discovery of the covid vaccine has to led this. so it shows where we're actually where the direction of travel is now with new vaccines, and also the fact how powerful we can be if we all work together to find a solution for something, and then it ends up being a solution for other things. >> nigel inadvertently came out

with some more of that office claptrap direction of travel. >> it's inherent in you, my friend. >> i do do it. you are like david brent gb news. >> well, listen, thank you. well, listen, on today's show, we've been asking is labour's private school that plan starting to unravel ? according starting to unravel? according to a twitter poll, 86% of you said yes , 14% to a twitter poll, 86% of you said yes ,14% of you said no. said yes, 14% of you said no. a lot of people seeing that plan as maybe the undoing of a couple of the votes of the party. but then having said that, the other parties aren't offering their offerings are not that great either . well, thank you so much either. well, thank you so much to my panel, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. thank you so much to you, danny. thank you so much to you, danny. thank you very much. and also to gb news senior political editor nigel nelson . i think i've given nigel nelson. i think i've given you a slightly higher roll than your you have as commentator, commentator, and also a huge thank has been generous to you at home for your company as well. i look forward to seeing you next week. same time, same place at three on saturday. neil oliver is up next. i'll leave you with the weather.

>> looks like things are heating up. >> boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello and welcome to your gb news weather update brought to you by the met office. well, we've seen plenty of fine weather over the weekend. however, this week is going to be turning more unsettled and a little bit cooler for today though we have had high pressure dominating the weather over the uk, but we have had this frontal system move into the northwest and a slight squeeze on those isobars too. so turning damp and rather windy , it is gradually rather windy, it is gradually going to be clouding over from the north through into the evening, staying clearest for longest across the south, and we will start to see some outbreaks of rain and drizzle continue to move their way into northwestern areas. so turning a little bit cooler under the clear spells in the south. but for most, a rather mild night and most places not dropping below double digits. so to start on monday, digits. soto start on monday, there will be a little bit of brightness in the south, but as i say, we'll gradually cloud over through the course of the morning, staying largely dry

though. however, we will start to see some rain and drizzle move its way into northwestern england. northern parts of wales and quite a cloudy picture across northern ireland and northwest scotland. still, with that rain and drizzle but brightening up through the morning across parts of aberdeenshire. and there will be some sunny spells across the northern isles, but plenty of showers in between those spells of sunshine. overall on monday it's going to be a rather cloudy picture still, with those spots of rain and drizzle in the northwest by the time we reach the afternoon, it may brighten up a little bit across central and southern uk, but most of the sunshine is going to be across scotland. however, quite a blustery day on offer there, so that will just take the edge off the temperatures a little bit. but in those sheltered spots where you catch the sunshine, it should still be feeling warm. now, as we head into tuesday we are going to see a bit of a change. further rain moving in from the northwest. quite blustery and plenty of showers behind two. however, it will still be staying dry across the south and southeast and still feeling warm where you do catch any sunnier spells but cooler across scotland, particularly in

that wind. and as we head into next week, fairly unsettled , next week, fairly unsettled, largely dry in the south, but it is going to be feeling largely jul. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on

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youngsters? and should we be concerned about the rise of the asian hornets ? all of that and asian hornets? all of that and more coming up. but first, an update on the latest news headunes. headlines. >> very good evening to you from the newsroom. 6:00 exactly. and a look at the headlines tonight. we'll start with a round up of the election news as migration has been at the forefront of labour's campaigning today after accusing the conservatives of having repeatedly broken their promises, sir keir starmer is promising to bring net migration . down if he wins the general election with new laws. he says. sun on sunday he said last years net migration figure of 685,000 has to come down well. shadow home secretary yvette cooper refused to put a time frame or set a specific target on that

promise . promise. >> well,