today, after campaigning today, after accusing the conservatives of having repeatedly broken their promises, sir keir starmer is promising to bring bring net migration down if he wins the general election , with new laws general election, with new laws to train british workers and to plug to train british workers and to plug gaps in the jobs market. speaking to the sun on sunday, he said last year's net migration figure of 685,000, he says, has to come down, while shadow home secretary yvette cooper refused to put a time frame on that promise or to set any specific targets . any specific targets. >> well, net migration has trebled in the last five years under the conservatives. one of the biggest drivers of that has been work migration. we're not setting a target , a specific setting a target, a specific target on it, and the reason for thatis target on it, and the reason for that is partly because the conservatives have just effectively ripped up all the targets that they've set over many years. they've discredited the whole process. yes, but also more importantly, because there are short term factors that can affect the numbers and what we think instead is we need to have

a long term approach that is about bringing net migration down and tackling the failings in the system. >> meanwhile, the conservatives say that they would free up 20 million gp appointments by the end of the next parliament. that's if they return to power. they're promising 100 new gp surgeries across england and to modernise 150 others. they're also pledging to expand their pharmacy first scheme. those plans, they say, would be paid for by cutting the number of nhs managers to pre—pandemic levels. health secretary victoria atkins says they are working to make the nhs better . the n hs better. >> the nhs better. >> my job as health secretary, for example, is to explain our vision for our nhs, which is to reform it to make it faster, simpler and fairer. and some of the announcements i have today concerning gp surgeries concerning gp surgeries concerning pharmacy first and community diagnostic centres are the ways that we will help deliver that over the coming years. we are going to fund this. it's fully funded, we're going to fund it partly through a reduction of managers in the

nhs and also out on the campaign trail today, the snp launched their election campaign pledge in glasgow, accusing labour and the conservatives of failing scotland. >> first minister john scotland. >> first ministerjohn swinney told a crowd people in scotland want rid of the what he called disastrous, chaotic conservative government. he also spoke about independence under the snp, saying it would allow the country to make its own decisions and to enhance the lives of scottish people . lives of scottish people. >> and it's the people of scotland i want to speak to directly today as we set out our message, let me make this commitment to the people of scotland . i am here to serve you scotland. i am here to serve you all. i am here to work hard to win your trust and your confidence. i am here to give everything i have to secure the best future for our country . best future for our country. >> well, turning away from election to news london, where

the metropolitan police have confirmed 56 people were arrested in wembley last night at the champions league final. thousands of football fans were at the stadium to watch real madrid beat borussia dortmund . madrid beat borussia dortmund. police say five people were arrested for pitch invasion , arrested for pitch invasion, dozens of others for attempting to breach security . well, the fa to breach security. well, the fa has now confirmed that no one who tried to get into the stadium without a ticket was successful . north korea has successful. north korea has launched what's being described as a bizarre barrage of balloons filled with rubbish, cigarette butts and suspected animal poo floating towards its southern neighbour. more than 700 balloons have been found in various parts of south korea so far, with chemical and explosive clearance teams dispatched to recover any debris. the south korean government calling it a dirty provocation from the north. however pyongyang says it's in retaliation for defectors and activists who often send their own inflatables across the border. they contain leaflets, food, medicine and usb sticks . and finally, media mogul

sticks. and finally, media mogul rupert murdoch has married again for the fifth time at the age of 93, tying the knot with retired russian molecular biologist elena zhukova at his california vineyard. wedding photos you can see here if you're watching on television, show mr murdoch in a black suit with a yellow tie, he's beaming alongside his new 67 year old wife. it comes after his brief engagement to anne leslie smith, which ended just a year ago . his leslie smith, which ended just a year ago. his global media empire began in the 1950s, including the sun, the wall street journal and fox news . for street journal and fox news. for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts. just scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. common alerts . to gb news. common alerts. >> climate activists threaten summer arts festivals. pope francis is accused of homophobia and donald trump makes history,

but not for the reasons he'd hoped. this is free speech nafion hoped. this is free speech nation . nation. >> welcome to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. >> this is the show where we take a look at culture, current affairs and politics. and of course, we'll have the latest from all those lovable culture warriors as they plot a busy summer trying to cancel just about everything. speaking of which, coming up on the show tonight, two major arts festivals have decided they can no longer accept sponsorship from an investment management firm because they're being targeted by activists, author tiffany jenkins will be here to discuss that. as you may have heard , donald trump has become heard, donald trump has become the first president to be found guilty of criminal offences. we'll have a republican and a democrat here to debate it. and bryn harris from the free speech union will also be here to discuss whether the university of cambridge's planned freedom of cambridge's planned freedom of speech code will ensure that academics can present controversial opinions and topics. and of course, myself and my fantastic panel will be answering questions from our

wonderful studio audience . my wonderful studio audience. my comedian guests this evening are cressida wetton and leo kearse . cressida wetton and leo kearse. welcome both. you had a good week. >> oh yes. >> oh yes. >> yeah yeah it's a lovely day outside. you're wearing a very summery outfit you're doing getting into ironing this week. i'm sorry. >> yeah . summer dresses need to >> yeah. summer dresses need to be ironed. basically. i live in a flat now. i've got electricity. >> you're sounding like a trad wife. >> that's not all. >> that's not all. >> you're into ironing, aren't you, leo.7 you like that? >> you, leo? you like that? >> sort of. sometimes. iron if i'm going on tv. yeah. >> so not today, though. >> so not today, though. >> just this bit of the show. you don't have not to do. >> well, look, we've got this audience here, so let's get some questions. our first question is from manab. manab. >> hi. good evening everyone, my question is a bit topical, do you think, the labour party is trying to suppress its more left leaning members using the house of lords? interesting >> topical is good. don't worry about that. that's what we're all about. and i presume you're talking about this, this times report, where it was suggested that labour mps like diane

abbott have been offered peerages to stand down to make way for starmer's preferred candidates. there's always been a bit of a conflict within the labour party between the left and the right of the party, so this wouldn't be any different, would it? yeah. >> any broad church party like the tories or the, or labour is going to have lots of different factions vying for, vying for, for power and, you know, up until up until a couple of years ago, it was momentum that was that was running the show. and then obviously they did terribly because it turns out that britain doesn't want to descend into a sort of venezuelan style socialist nightmare, immediately we want to have or not. we want to stretch it out over at least ten years. so we're going to elect keir starmer instead , but elect keir starmer instead, but yeah, i mean, whenever parties take power, you know, whoever's in charge, like tony blair in 97, he put his cronies into safe seats and tried to, you know, farm people out and i think starmer wanted to try and, you know, farm diane abbott out to somewhere, maybe get her into a consultancy or an accountancy firm, but that probably wasn't going to work. so yeah, the house of lords, you know, that's

where you can that's a big holding pen for her, i should say, because diane abbott did tweet earlier and we've got the tweet earlier and we've got the tweet here. >> it says this is factually incorrect. i've never been offered a seat in the lords and would not accept one if offered. i'm the adopted labour candidate for hackney north and stoke newington. i intend to run and to win as labour's candidate. it's always been the case, though, hasn't it, that peerages have become like bargaining chips and they've been used by many, many. i'm not saying that's happened this time, but but throughout history that's really been i think this is like the russians taking the naughtiest prisoners and putting them out into to fight the wars, you know, because this is starmer's way of getting people in there who might abolish the house of lords in the long term. yeah, but it's interesting because when claire fox became baroness claire fox of berkeley and she's been very outspoken and she's been very outspoken and said the laws, the lords ought to be abolished, but of course, but she's used it brilliantly because she's been there. >> i don't want her. leave it. >> i don't want her. leave it. >> no, she's the one you don't want leaving more of claire fox because she makes all the right points from within. so there's something to be said for that, isn't there? >> yeah. and also, i mean, people talk about reforming the

lords, but it's one of those things like the monarchy, which shouldn't work and is unfair. it's not elected or anything. but for some reason it works better than if we elected the lords. >> well, claire fox isn't trying to impress us for the next election. >> yeah. no there is that. okay, well, let's get another question now. this one comes from anton, hello. >> do you think, ed davey is doing a good campaign? >> ed davey. well, i mean, i don't want to comment too much on particular people's election campaigns, but what i should say is that ed davey did launch the liberal democrats campaign with some interesting photo shots, maybe. i wonder if we can have a look at these, he was seen paddleboarding. he was seen cycling and, flying down water slides. very, very centerparcs . slides. very, very centerparcs. there he goes, there he goes. look at him. there and, if we've got any other shot of ed davey , got any other shot of ed davey, i mean, he's enjoying himself . i mean, he's enjoying himself. that's the important thing. there he goes. i mean, look, leo, that's actually the ramp they've got set up in calais to help the, cross channel migrants just shoot across in the rubber boats. >> i mean, it's , i think he's

>> i mean, it's, i think he's seen boris johnson and thought, well , it worked seen boris johnson and thought, well, it worked for boris johnson. i'll have a go at that. but i'm not sure he's got the charisma or the popular appeal of boris johnson did that. >> zipwire thing work for him? yeah. oh, did i mean, we still think of it, don't we? we still talk about it. >> he was and he was prime minister and. oh there was that. yeah right. >> didn't he. what do you make of all this? i, chris, i mean, the lib dems, they need to grab attention while they can, right. do they haven't got much air time. >> so he's making the most of it. he's going, look at me. look at me with jazz hands. and he looks like he's having more fun than the other candidates, doesn't he? he's. he's really. yeah.i doesn't he? he's. he's really. yeah. i mean, whether he can keep it up, i don't know. it looks exhausting, i like it. >> i, you know, i'm not going to knock him for that. why not? why can't we see politicians enjoying themselves. why can't we see more? kind of more kind of like those games they used to have on gladiators. you know, where they hit each other with big giant foam unders. you know, that's that's the way the election should be won. yeah. no absolutely. as far as i can see. anyway, let's get another question. now we've got one from

john. where is. hi, john. hello. good evening. >> my question is a prison question. >> good. we love those. go for it. >> can trump be president from jail john, do you have any feelings about this? >> because i mean this has been all over the news this week. >> there was a very good tv series years ago called porridge. >> oh yes. i remember it well. >> oh yes. i remember it well. >> i see this as a sort of american successor to porridge, with trump as the big man in an american prison. >> i think it might be as entertaining. i mean, this is absolutely fascinating, leo, because a lot of commentators on the left as well are saying that these charges that they should have never got this far, should never have gone to court. and now there's this unanimous verdict against him. yeah so do i mean, is there a case to be made that this is just going to be reversed when it's appealed? >> well, yeah. and it seems to have totally backfired for the democrats because everybody can see that. it's you know, they've really sort of had to stretch and overreach to try and make something that's basically an accounting error, you know, i mean, politicians make mistakes all the time. and diane abbott can't even get the right shoes on her feet. so why are you. >> that's not illegal, though. of course. yeah. >> but why? well, it probably would be illegal if she was running for, you know, to be the

republican candidate. so they've tried to, you know, finesse this into, into being, you know, a felony by saying, oh, he's he's trying to influence the election, but it's ridiculous. i mean, john edwards did the exact same thing. wasn't wasn't, his prosecution wasn't successful , prosecution wasn't successful, bill clinton paid paula jones $850,000, and she was she was much worse looking than stormy daniels, which shows it shows, if anything, trump can get value for money. and i think taxpayers want that . want that. >> i tell you what, stormy daniels must have been gutted with the court illustrations. she does not. she doesn't look good, you know. anyway, now now look, cressida, i don't want to shame anyone in particular, but what i would say about this is that whether you come from the left or the right, whether you support trump or don't support trump, it does look like a massive own goal for the democrats, because most legal experts seem to think it shouldn't have got this far. that you can't just turn a misdemeanour that's beyond the statute of limitations into a felony by appealing to some federal law. well yeah, and lots of judges wouldn't touch it. >> and eventually they found alvin bragg and he was just delighted. did you see his speech afterwards? >> i think this is the district attorney, by the way, alvin bragg, who did campaign saying

he was going to get trump. so that was that was his thing, right? >> he went in and then in the speech afterwards, he was so pleased with himself. and i think he said without fear or favour 3 or 4 times, about ten minutes. and i thought, the lady doth protest too much. she does indeed. >> and it's very interesting that you know a lot of people have said, you know, well, no one's above the law. and that's true. no one is above the law, but as ron desantis pointed out, no one is below the law either. and it does look like very much that no one else, except for donald trump, would be tried in this way on these charges. >> absolutely. and the voters can see that. and the voters don't like having the choice taken away from them. that's something that happens in, you know, dictatorships. yes. so the fact that they're being denied, potentially being denied the chance to decide maybe if they just if the democrats left it alone, people wouldn't vote for trump anyway. but now that they're trying to take trump away, people are like, wait a minute, i want some of that. and trump had a six point, poll boost and he raised $39 million in ten hours. >> yeah, it's very interesting. i'm not a trump fan by any means, but i do think this is playing into his hands. and i'll be talking later to bob wiener and seb gorka, who will obviously be coming from very

different sides on this. but i do want to understand how this is going to affect it, because what if, for instance, what if donald trump were to go to jail on the 11th of july, when the sentencing is planned, if he were to go to jail and then lose the election, how could that not be deemed election interference? how how could that be deemed a legitimate election? i don't see how that could work. so i'm going to be putting those questions to, to seb gorka and also to bob wiener, and we'll see what they come up with, because i really think this is going to be a big deal anyway. we're going to move on now. do we have any more questions? oh, we've got an email in. thanks for emailing in danielle. this is from danielle she says was nicki minaj playing the race card, you're familiar with nicki minaj with her work . my idols? minaj with her work. my idols? yes. well, you like that song? what's it called? anaconda that's that's the one. you're you're always whistling that in the green room, aren't you? >> i don't know what i'm committing myself to, but. yes. andrew. yes. yeah. yeah. >> it's a wonderful, wonderful tune. >> it's a wonderful, wonderful tune . now, the thing about nicki tune. now, the thing about nicki minaj, so what she's been done for drugs in in dutchland. yeah, yeah. and, what's going on in the land of drugs ? the land of drugs? >> it's like being done for chocolate at willy wonka's

factory . ridiculous. i mean, factory. ridiculous. i mean, she's gone from a place where cannabis is legal, and she's taking cannabis to a place where cannabis is legal. it's just leave that cannabis at home and get some new cannabis when you get some new cannabis when you get there. >> so my understanding is, that's right. i don't because she's saying it was a race act of racism. it could be, couldn't it? because if they're not arresting many people for cannabis in the netherlands, are they? >>i they? >> i mean, i don't know. it's for not me to say whether they were racist or not, but exactly as leo said, i thought really ? as leo said, i thought really? is she getting her own cannabis? is she getting her own cannabis? i don't imagine she gets her own coffee. never mind her. >> i mean, she's a millionaire, right? i presume i think so, but i mean, i'm a bit hazy on the details, but isn't it the case that in the netherlands it actually isn't really legal? they're just sort of turn a blind eye to the various shops and things that they don't turn that much of a blind eye if you're taking it through in a suitcase at the airport , you suitcase at the airport, you know, that's that's always that's always a no, no. >> any major transport hub. but i mean, playing the race card, we could probably disprove this by seeing if any white people have ever been convicted of drug offences in the netherlands. and have they? i think they have. oh, they have . so it's illegal

oh, they have. so it's illegal for white people as well, sorry, nikki, you were wrong about that one. never mind. let's move. she doesn't watch. let's move on now, after the break, i'm going to be speaking to author tiffany jenkins , who's going to be jenkins, who's going to be joining me to discuss the sponsorship row, which is set to have a major impact on art festivals in the uk all this summer. please go go anywhere.

welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. this week it was announced that the edinburgh international book festival has ended a 20 year sponsorship deal due to pressure from climate protesters. investment company baillie gifford has been criticised for its investments in fossil fuels, and the chairman of the book festival said they did not think the event could be held safely in august. under the threat of disruption by activists. the week before , the hay literary week before, the hay literary festival dropped baillie gifford as sponsors over the firm's

links to israel and fossil fuel companies . so here to discuss companies. so here to discuss this, i'm joined by the author and broadcaster tiffany jenkins. welcome to the show. thank you . welcome to the show. thank you. now, tiffany, you've written about this before when there was an attempt at a boycott last year at the edinburgh festival, a similar kind of thing. could you give us the background to this situation? >> okay. well, in 2023, you had a bunch of people called fossil fuel books at the at that stage, you didn't know who they were. they were anonymous, get together. a group of authors, including big names like zadie smith, naomi klein to say that they would leave the book festival. and unless they then unless they severed their links with baillie gifford or baillie gifford , stopped investing in gifford, stopped investing in fossil fuels. and then horror of horror greta thunberg pulled out that i know at that stage it went a little bit quiet . baillie went a little bit quiet. baillie gifford made the point that actually of their portfolio, 2% goes into fossil fuels . they're goes into fossil fuels. they're a big investor in future energy. things like tesla electric cars. so in fact, compared to other

firms , they're very progressive. firms, they're very progressive. they're probably the future of , they're probably the future of, of, the solutions to climate change. but this didn't make a big song and dance about all of their philanthropic. well, they do they do a ton of philanthropy that you just don't know about. they fund domestic violence shelters. they do all sorts of very, very good works . they are very, very good works. they are utterly quiet about it because it's not for virtue signalling . it's not for virtue signalling. >> but this year it's very much the combination of israel with the combination of israel with the fossil fuel debate. >> well, this year you had fossil fuel boats pivoting , with fossil fuel boats pivoting, with great principle to gaza , which great principle to gaza, which is even more tenuous for baillie gifford. and they've, they've put out a statement saying they've got absolutely nothing to do with it. and i think it seems to be something to do with things like amazon and a few other technology companies . so other technology companies. so i and in fact, if you're an author, you're heavily involved in books, obviously, which are very carbon intensive. so hypocrisy abounds. and baillie gifford is an extraordinarily poon gifford is an extraordinarily poor, target for these people. but what's interesting is how

effective they've been . you effective they've been. you know, they've taken down, hey, which bill clinton called the woodstock of the mind. you know, they've taken down, now edinburgh after a 20 year partnership. yes. without this money, they don't probably they probably won't go ahead. so why is it because of their coherent campaign? no. in my mind, it's the cowardice of the literary elite, the last. sorry. yeah. last year i tried to do a open letter to counter their open letter to counter their open letter and a number of big name authors who are successful, prominent people said they couldn't put their name to something so public, even though they agreed with me. >> this is interesting, isn't it? but that's more and more the case with the kind of the tribalism of our times when it comes to politics and ideology is that people don't want to stick their head above the parapet and say, even if they know something is right, but isn't this isn't this a bit worrying in terms of what happens to arts festivals generally? because don't artists rely on the corporate sector ? we rely on the corporate sector? we may not like to admit that. we may not like to admit that. we may like to think it all comes from government, state

sponsorship, arts council. it's not the case, is it? >> no. and ideally you want a mixed funding stream. so you want the box office. you want people paying for their tickets. you want kind of that sort of money. you do want state sponsorship. you want all the money you can get these things are really expensive to put on to, particularly to keep prices low so that everybody can come. and baillie gifford also sponsor the kids programme, which is, you know, free. i think , and you know, free. i think, and then you do want corporate sponsorship. the reason why you want three, if you like, is so you're not reliant on any . yes. you're not reliant on any. yes. you know, there are strings attached to a lot of government funding , of course, particularly funding, of course, particularly in terms of audiences. and now more in terms of content. well, i had freedom. >> i had a guest from the arts council here who was talking about how there was a certain degree of ideological capture within the arts council, which does inform some of its funding. very much so. so it's important, isn't it, to have multiple streams of potential revenue . streams of potential revenue. but what does this mean? i mean, a lot of this is coming from artists, from creatives, the very people that these festivals are there to support. does that surprise you? >> no it doesn't. i've seen it.

i've seen it for about 20 years. this is sort of what you've got. is this really since the 1970s? you've had a crisis of purpose within arts organisations and artists , and they've sort of artists, and they've sort of piggybacked onto any fashionable cause to gain legitimacy, social inclusion. you know, under blair, you had under labour, you had museums rebranding themselves as centres for social inclusion, community outreach. and you've had sort of less and less talk of quality criticism, the point of books, you know , to the point of books, you know, to make us think those sort of things are things that artists and i think the literary world now find quite hard to argue for. and you see this there was a letter now finally , way too a letter now finally, way too late, supporting somewhat. well, no complaining about the abandonment of funding. unable to argue for corporate sponsorship. this is the edinburgh authors and unable to argue for the kind of book festival as a place of plurality. you know, this is a space that doesn't have to take an ideological line , that an ideological line, that doesn't have to be political,

that can open up conversations. but why is it they're unable to say that? >> well, why is it that so many arts festivals are now becoming quite homogenous when it comes to politics? because you would have thought that they were, i understand, very passionate artists and creatives getting on their high horse about stuff. they've done that forever . for they've done that forever. for what i don't understand is the capitulation of those in charge of these festivals. why can't they can't just say you get to have your opinion, you get to scream and shout as much as you want. but we also get to have these other artists and creatives who won't necessarily agree with you. >> i think it's a crisis of purpose. you know, they they are unable really to talk about books and writing and thinking and arts for its own sake. it always has to be tied to something else. for some time it was tied to the economy. yes you know, there was this idea of the knowledge economy and the creative economy and things like that. and what that masks is that. and what that masks is that this sort of hollowness really is absence. and i think that's obviously terribly unfortunate. there are artists and writers and thinkers out there doing good things. there are audiences who want that. but at the moment, those at the top

of the game either believe it and can't say it out loud or don't believe it at all. >> and what does this do for other artists and writers? because this is obviously coming from a lot of the big names, those who can afford not to go to a book festival, those who can afford to lose that avenue of promotion. but there's a lot of promotion. but there's a lot of artists and authors who do depend on these things. >> well, i think for the former, actually, they do lose out. i mean, i used to find edinburgh in particular was a way of taking the temperature. right? you know, you went and it happened at the same time as the fringe festival and the international festival. so you just had these thousands of people coming from all over the world bursting with ideas and creativity, whether they're juggung creativity, whether they're juggling or whatever, miming or doing another version of macbeth or they're there's a lot, but there was a lot going on. and comedy, of course. and but what you could do is you could go to a mix of events and you just you just had a sense of what people were really thinking and, and worrying about and talking about and that i think has gone. so i think everybody loses out. your

big name author needs that to know how to write about the world. you know, we all need the kind of the productivity of a collision of ideas that these festivals bring. >> so what happens next? is it the case that the book festivals might change their minds by the time we get to next year ? or time we get to next year? or will this just put us? is this just setting a precedent that's going to be forevermore? >> it's been like watching a slow motion car crash. they've lost. i mean, the edinburgh book festival in particular has had to move venue and to partnership with the university. so it's gone from a beautiful garden to the dead kind of lecture theatre of bureaucracy. i think these festivals are in big trouble and they'll want more government sponsorship , because they still sponsorship, because they still sort of think that they are entitled to it , which sort of think that they are entitled to it, which means i think they'll probably become smaller , slower, less fleet of smaller, slower, less fleet of foot and less interesting and probably less popular. >> okay, well, that's a bit of a downward note for the end, but thank you ever so much, tiffany for joining me. really appreciate forjoining me. really appreciate it . and next on free

appreciate it. and next on free speech nation . what next for speech nation. what next for former president donald trump after he was found guilty of falsifying business records to commit election fraud? we're going to be joined by a republican and a democrat to discuss this one. it's going to get don't go

welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. earlier this week, donald trump made history by becoming the first ever former us president to be criminally convicted . a to be criminally convicted. a new york jury this week found him guilty of falsifying business records to commit election fraud in a case which involved the cover up of hush money payments made to buy the silence of a porn star in the days before the 2016 election. he was found guilty on all 34 counts and is due to be

sentenced on the 11th of july, just before the republican convention, which is set to formally nominate him as the party's candidate for president. once again. so here to discuss this, i'm joined by bob wiener , this, i'm joined by bob wiener, democratic strategist and former spokesperson for the clinton and george w bush administrations and seb gorka former deputy assistant to president donald trump. welcome both to the show . trump. welcome both to the show. sarah, i'd like to come to you first about this from a british perspective. a lot of people are very confused. they see this as a misdemeanour, which is beyond the statute of limitations that has somehow been elevated into a felony. how exactly has that been achieved with pixie dust and a lot of hatred ? and a lot of hatred? >> thank you. andrew, it's been a while. yeah, you're absolutely right. these were if a crime had been had occurred, they would have been misdemeanours that would have simply been irrelevant at this point because they'd expired under the statute of limitations for new york. however in some strange kind of incantation that no one can

explain , they were connected to explain, they were connected to a business expense filing in the january after the election in 2016, and that some how made it a magic felony, which is weird because how can you undermine an election? three months after it occurred? so we know what this is. it's a stitch up job. it's a hatchet job. biden is being trounced in the polls by my former boss. so they want to steal the election before the first ballot is cast. so, you know, there's a reason that the president garnered $54 million of donations in the 24 hours after the, quote unquote, conviction . because americans conviction. because americans see through this what it is. it's just political hackery . it's just political hackery. >> i'm going to bring bob wiener in there. what do you make of that analysis? i mean, it's certainly the case, isn't it, that we've had lawyers and legal experts on the left as well, really troubled by the fact that this ever made it as far as it did. do you see this in any way helping trump's campaign ? helping trump's campaign? >> no, and i love the spin that

sebastian puts on it, except for the fact that 12 jurors decided 34 legal counts. i thought it might have even been the nine that trump signed himself. but that trump signed himself. but that memo that involved everybody around trump, who always met with him , was always met with him, was convincing as well from weisselberg. and so his chief financial officer. so this was a documented case. it wasn't just michael cohen or david pecker or stormy daniels . it was the stormy daniels. it was the paperwork. trump signed the checks. i mean, how much more do you need? and so this is a guilty . every newspaper in the guilty. every newspaper in the country, every newspaper in the country, every newspaper in the country said that he was guilty 34 counts. and how did it get to be a felony? because it was tied to election rigging and the meetings. even hope hicks confirmed that it was a crisis. about what happened with access hollywood. and they didn't want more anti—woman stuff. okay, so every every newspaper in the country made it that it was it was tied to election rigging. it was tied to election rigging. it was a continuation of the

election rigging that he did in georgia. and the and trying to change the electors of people that weren't even electors , that weren't even electors, making them electors all around the country. what this guy has decided that the law is applicable to nobody but him. okay. american people are sick of it. >> bob, i just want to bring seb in here now, bob wiener, they're making the case that this is. it's clearly guilty. it's election rigging. one thing i don't understand is that alvin bragg, the da, has doesn't have jurisdiction for a federal crime. i mean, he can prosecute based on a state crime, but not a federal crime. and that's the way they've elevated this to a felony. so how did it how did this happen? >> well, good for you. good for you and the fec. >> can you stop talking when he's asking me, bob, just stop it. the fact is that the federal election commission, the federal election , white house come to election, white house come to you in one second. >> let me just hear what sap has to say. i will come to you in one second. >> this just can't debate. just a typical leftist. look, the federal elections commission said no, no crime. the feds said that, bragg's predecessor , cyrus that, bragg's predecessor, cyrus vance jr, said, no, no crime. even alvin bragg prior said no

crime . but then he was even alvin bragg prior said no crime. but then he was in a campaign for re—election . the campaign for re—election. the weird thing here, i know, but we have elections for prosecutors and this hack, who was funded by george soros , said, i'm going to george soros, said, i'm going to put donald trump behind bars. that's how independent he was. so no, he has no jurisdiction . so no, he has no jurisdiction. that's why they couldn't even explain what the crime was, which is it's really weird. how do you have election interference? three months after the election occurred ? it is an the election occurred? it is an absolute farrago. it's a nonsense . but don't worry, trump nonsense. but don't worry, trump is now stronger than he has ever been since he came down the escalators. go to my twitter vie , 90 escalators. go to my twitter vie , go to seb gorka and see all the democrats twitter feed. >> where's the screenshot? okay, answer on the again. let me come again. >> thank you. said let me just come to bob on that point, because a lot of people are saying that this is helping donald trump. a lot of people have seen, for instance, that the judge in this case was a donon the judge in this case was a donor. it was only a small

amount, but did donate to an anti—trump campaign. and by new york rules , as you will be york rules, as you will be aware, he's meant to recuse himself. he didn't do that, did he? >> there was no call for him to recuse. it was, people seem to be in the spirit of blaming their wives. you know, his wife is the one who's most involved. just like clarence thomas's wife and alito's wife. so, i mean , and alito's wife. so, i mean, let's get over the wives here, but really, let's look at the polls, which sebastian doesn't seem to want to care . 26% of seem to want to care. 26% of republicans less likely to vote for trump, 11% of independents. biden, now in the latest polls, has taken a slight lead when he was like five behind before this trial , was like five behind before this trial, people read the real news and andrew, the real news is that he was convicted on on 34 felony counts and has tried to delay , delay, delay on all of delay, delay, delay on all of his other trials. and people are wising up to it so that a woman in my wife's church, who's the choir director today said, it's time to pay the piper. >> that said, i want to come to you on that because a lot of

people say that, you know, obviously the democrats now in their campaign are going to be repeating that phrase, convicted felon and that that could have an impact, particularly on those floating voters who, irrespective of what they think about the legitimacy of the trial, might just be nervous about having a convicted felon in the white house >> andrew, i'm not debating anymore. i mean, i surrender. the choir director in bob's church has said pay the piper. so i mean, end of story. you know, the sort of damocles has landed. look, don't listen to lunatics who believe in fake news. go and watch the footage on my twitter feed of president trump arriving in the new jersey whma in the wrestling ring for the ufc yesterday . the biggest the ufc yesterday. the biggest ovation. not for a rock star, not for a wrestler , not for an not for a wrestler, not for an mma fighter, but for president trump. after the conviction. look at the footage from his campaign. i've been to a lot of rallies with the boss. we've never had a rally in the last eight years of 100,000 people in

a democrat state, in new jersey, in the bronx, 30,000. and the clip i play every single day on my radio show, andrew, the little ten year old black kid in harlem, harlem . i'm not exactly harlem, harlem. i'm not exactly maga country. seeing president trump and saying, we love you, trump. then the little hispanic girl behind him joins in, and then all the adults in harlem say, we love you, trump. america has woken up and they've had it with the decrepit, senile old man in the white house. >> let's leave the question of popularity aside, or whether this is going to help or hinder trump when it comes to the election. but, bob, can i ask you about the kind of precedent that this sets? because there's a very good reason, isn't there, that historically, political parties haven't gone after former presidents and charged them for criminal activity ? i them for criminal activity? i mean, i know that trump had the whole chant of lock her up, but he never actually did it, did he? and once this happens, doesn't it open a kind of pandora's box? doesn't this open the possibility for biden to be prosecuted? doesn't it open the possibility for alvin bragg to be prosecuted for election

interference ? interference? >> well, a couple of things, andrew. first of all, i never heard from sebastian. never heard from sebastian. never heard he didn't do it. haven't heard he didn't do it. haven't heard from any of the republicans, the puppets that stood around the news conferences that trump staged. he didn't do it. he didn't do it. and never heard from trump anything like bill clinton did when he had a similar thing with the with the women that he was involved with. and he said to his wife, to his family, to his country, i'm sorry. the magic words . self—recognition. what? words. self—recognition. what? that's what's going to bring trump down is he has none of that. and that's what the polling is showing now in terms of other presidents, no other president has done the kind of crimes that trump did and lies and cover ups. that's why he was indicted. that's why he was convicted. no other president has done it. so when trump said nobody else. yeah, nobody else did what you did. >> but wouldn't the democrats, bob, wouldn't they argue that? sorry, the republicans wouldn't they argue that the hillary

clinton's email wiping would classify as something that's potentially prosecutable? >> she didn't say she didn't do it. first of all, and i've seen every trump staffer using personal emails, too, by the way , and there was really no classifieds out of her emails . classifieds out of her emails. that was a viable situation that, oh, god, i know , but that that, oh, god, i know, but that was a very debateable situation. what happened to her? and by the way, the polls showed that before comey came forward with his news conference, reinvestigating and later on, silently saying, oh, no , we silently saying, oh, no, we didn't mean it, when there was a ten point flip. so it's in hillary's book, and i put it in the des moines register that there was a ten point vote switch when comey did his news conference from before and after. robby mook has clinton's campaign manager said ten point, campaign manager said ten point, camp , switch in the polls from camp, switch in the polls from what comey did ? what comey did? >> okay, well, let me come to seb on that, because bob makes a point about, you know, trump hasn't shown remorse. this is something that is taken to

account when it comes to sentencing. and on july the 11th, this might be the thing that might, just by the judge going for jail time or alvin bragg asking forjail time. do you think that's likely? because obviously he can't show remorse, can he ? can he? >> no, because he's innocent. and, you know, i don't know where you found this old fossil. but listen, the only thing we remember about bill clinton, the only phrase anyone remembers about bill clinton is not i'm sorry, because he never said it. the only phrase is, i didn't have sex with that woman. i didn't have sex with that woman. that's the only thing we remember, i mean, oh, and by the way, when it comes to the emails comey himself in front of the world said there were 18 emails that were top secret hsi on her private server. each one of those is a felony and she should be in prison, right now. >> okay, finally, finally with them. sorry. >> finally on this . i just want >> finally on this. i just want we haven't got much time, unfortunately, because i could debate this all day. it's a lot of fun. but i want to ask you first, is trump going to serve

jail time? will the judge go that far? said, i'm going to come to you first on that. >> well, he is a prostitute for the left. i mean, this is a man. when i was in the courtroom sitting behind president trump ten days ago, he told as the defence was about to stand up, the judge in front of us, we have witnesses in the courtroom said, sit down. i don't want to hear from you. this is a guy who should be wearing the jersey of the biden doj. so anything is possible. but he tied that man because that's a dangerous move. >> same question to bob. do you see it as dangerous? if he does serve jail time, do you think he will? >> well, danger. you know, i went to the first day of the bragg trials and there were there were seven trump people and 3000 media out in front. i mean, there's no the violence is not going to happen. i actually agree with people who said that. i also agree with said, and i think we'll have an agreement here. he probably will not do jail time. the judge will probably give him probation, give him extremely strong wording and, and even despite the ten gag order violations that judge made an exception.

and you can see in the trial, you talk about the judge being unfair. the judge said during the trial, well, we have to recognise that you're a former president. he gave him that and i didn't know where that came from, that he had to say that. so the judge said that during the trial, so that judge would bend over backwards. to be fair. and i think that's what's going to happen here, because the judge will try to avoid violence and give trump due deference, but he will do justice. >> bob, we have to go now, unfortunately. but thanks both for coming on because it's very important to hear both sides. thank you very much. next up on free speech nation, the university of cambridge is set to introduce a new freedom of speech code. we're going to be joined by bryn harris the free speech to discuss that. don't go anywhere.

welcome back to free speech nation. so, the university of cambridge is set to introduce a new code designed to ensure they comply with the recent freedom of speech act, which makes it a legal requirement for universities to protect free speech. bryn harris is chief

legal counsel at the free speech union, and he joins me now. welcome to the show. thank you. andrew bryn, can you tell us a little bit about the background to this? why is it necessary for the university of cambridge to adopt a free speech code? yeah, certainly. >> so first of all, this is a good news story . i'm not sure we good news story. i'm not sure we get many of those about free speech, but in 2023, there was a new act of parliament, the higher education freedom of speech act. and it's done a number of things . now. one of number of things. now. one of them is that it said that institutions have to have a code of practice, which they have to comply with, which says what their values are regarding free speech and how they're going to secure it at their institution. the law already did that. so it's not it's not a huge change. the other things , though, that the other things, though, that the act did, which were important, it created a new regulator or a new regulatory scheme run by arif ahmed. it's a very well known advocate for free speech, and he's going to run a complaint scheme. and this is going to put a bit of pressure and allow students or academics whose free speech is infringed to take their

complaint to arif at the office of students. >> okay. but will this do anything about the i mean, there's a lot of pre—emptive, no platforming that goes on at universities. you know, there's a lot of people who say, we can't invite this person because the security costs will be too prohibitive and that kind of thing. will this do anything to change the culture of universities? >> it will. yeah i mean, i to come back to the we'll come back to the security question because that's very important. i think what this this act is going to do, in the best case scenario is it's going to create a degree of freedom for those academics who want to begin building a culture of free speech. an act of parliament in itself is not going to change the culture of universities. and it shouldn't, because they're autonomous institutions. but what it will do is protect those who want to start inviting contentious speakers, who want to have, you know, want to explore difficult topics . and it will prevent topics. and it will prevent universities from from closing that down. so this is the sort of, you know, the door just that down. so this is the sort of, you know, the doorjust ajar of, you know, the door just ajar . that's what the law has done.

>> so what happens? say they want to invite, say, a gender critical feminist, the kind of people who've been particularly targeted by student unions in recent years. and the activists say, yes, well, if you do that, we're going to kick up such a fuss. we're going to cause so much trouble that you're going to have to hire all kinds of security, and then they can't afford to do it. what about in that situation? >> so the, the, the 2023 act specifically says that universities can't shift security costs onto the organisers because, as you're hinting it was, it was a well—worn way of getting contentious events cancelled because they'd say, oh, these people are threatening to protest and we can't afford it. the act says , unless there are the act says, unless there are exceptional circumstances apply, you , you, the university, you you, you, the university, you have to stump up and that sort of plugs a loophole. if i'm if i'm not mixing metaphors, they're very useful, and if we go to the cambridge free speech code, which i think is excellent, by the way, one thing they say very encouragingly is they say very encouragingly is the default is that you let events go ahead. and i think

this is the thing that we need to start really selling to universities that free speech doesn't really cost much, you know, to have free speech. you hands off, let things happen . hands off, let things happen. the law is only going to require you to intervene in the most exceptional circumstances. you know, because universities, they're not really dangerous places. there isn't a great deal of criminality , most of the of criminality, most of the time, you know? so i think that's what we need to be saying to them that, look, you know, don't think of this as a new bureaucratic burden. this is laissez faire, you know, hands off and let it happen. >> so things are going the right way. i mean, the free speech union, who you represent have done an awful lot of incredible, important work defending people who've had their free speech violated and universities have been particularly susceptible. so are you, heartened by this coming from cambridge university of all places, which has got a pretty bad track record on this. yeah, exactly, and, you know, cambridge lost a vice chancellor, stephen toope , chancellor, stephen toope, because he was so terrible of free speech. so this is a real turnaround. i think the proof in

the pudding is going to be, how it's implemented. if you look at it's implemented. if you look at it on paper, it's very good. the question is how is it going to be implemented? now? there probably will be the odd niggle. i think the real thing we're going to have to look at is how universities stand by free speech when it gets difficult, when students are saying we feel unsafe, we feel hurt, are they going to have the stones? if i can say that to stand up to these students and say, you may feel hurt, but i'm sorry, you've just got to tolerate it because that's free speech and that's going to be the crunch. >> well, let's hope so. bryn harris, thank you so much for joining me. thank you very. and there's plenty more to come on free speech nation. so we'll see you again in a short while. don't go anywhere. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello and welcome to your gb news weather update brought to you by the met office. well,

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gb news. >> and there's plenty more still to come on. free speech nation this week, including analysis of this week, including analysis of this week's chinese military drills . and we're going to drills. and we're going to discuss concerns that scottish children are being allowed to self—identify their gender. but next, we're going to get some more questions from this fantastic studio audience. after the news headlines with sam francis . francis. >> andrew, thank you very much. and good evening to you. it's just after 8:00. let's get a round up. first of today's election news, labour has been refusing to set out specific targets on its pledge to lower net migration if they win the general election in july. it's been at the forefront of the party's campaigning today, after accusing the conservatives of

repeatedly breaking their promise to protect uk borders, sir keir starmer says last year's net migration figure of 685,000 people has to come down. but his shadow home secretary, yvette cooper, told us this morning it wouldn't be wise, she said, to set a time frame or a target figure. >> well, net migration has trebled in the last five years under the conservatives. one of the biggest drivers of that has been work migration . we're not been work migration. we're not setting a target, a specific target on it, and the reason for thatis target on it, and the reason for that is partly because the conservatives have just effectively ripped up all the targets that they've set over many years. they've discredited the whole process, but also more importantly, because there are short term factors that can affect the numbers. and what we think instead is we need to have a long term approach that is about bringing net migration down and tackling the failings in the system . in the system. >> yvette cooper there, speaking earlier to us this morning . earlier to us this morning. well, staying with labour, diane abbott has confirmed that she will run as a candidate for the

party in july's general election . the veteran mp says she will represent hackney north and stoke newington, the seat she has held for many years, after speculation this week that she was planning to choose to stand down. she's posted on social media tonight, though, denying that she's been offered a seat in the house of lords, and said that she wouldn't accept one if she was to retire . turning to she was to retire. turning to the conservatives, they have been focusing on the nhs today in their campaigning, promising to boost community care to help make the nhs faster, simpler and fairer. the party's pledging to expand their pharmacy first scheme and to build 50 new diagnostic centres across the country. they say those plans would be paid for by cutting the number of nhs managers back to pre—pandemic levels. well, health secretary victoria atkins told us that they are working to make the nhs better. >> my job as health secretary, for example, is to explain our vision for our nhs, which is to reform it, to make it faster,

simpler and fairer. and some of the announcements i have today concerning gp surgeries concerning gp surgeries concerning pharmacy first and community diagnostic centres are the ways that we will help deliver that over the coming years. we are going to fund this. it's fully funded, we're going to fund it partly through a reduction of managers in the nhs . nhs. >> and finally, rounding up our news on the election campaign trail today, the liberal democrats have been focusing on health as well as the conservatives, but they have attacked the government's record and they're promising to reverse £1 billion of conservative cuts. the party leader, ed davey , says the party leader, ed davey, says he would fund local services by cracking down on tax evasion, and he also accused the conservatives of decimating pubuc conservatives of decimating public funding, saying it's left britain with what he called a ticking time bomb of health challenges and news from the sporting world. tonight, former england rugby league international and motor neurone disease fundraiser rob burrow has died at the age of 41. one of the sport's most successful

players, he was diagnosed with the condition in 2019 and his family tonight say that he will continue to inspire them all every day after he raised millions of pounds for mnd. well, online tributes have been flooding in from team—mates and charities, and in the last half hour,in charities, and in the last half hour , in a personally signed hour, in a personally signed message on social media, the prince of wales has also paid tribute to rob, describing him as a legend who had a huge heart . sporting star and fundraiser rob burrow, who has died at the age of 41. in other news, tributes have been paid to the 29 people killed in an raf helicopter crash at a service to mark the 30th anniversary of the disaster. the mull of kintyre accident was controversial, with an inquiry initially blaming the pilots. those findings, though, were later overturned aid, but the cause of the crash is still unknown . 16 bereaved families unknown. 16 bereaved families have now come together to form a justice campaign group searching for answers .

justice campaign group searching for answers. some justice campaign group searching for answers . some space news for for answers. some space news for you now. and in a historic first, china has successfully landed a craft on the dark side of the moon. the unmanned chang'e six lunar probe is exploring a region that no ever , exploring a region that no ever, no country, has ever managed to reach and is on a mission to collect rocks and soil samples. the european space agency says. it's a mean feat given there's no line of sight for communication, making landing there more challenging . and there more challenging. and finally, before we hand back to free speech, nation , a couple free speech, nation, a couple who scooped £1 million in the lottery say they are both planning to continue working as police officers despite their life changing win. graham white and his wife catherine, are planning to buy their dream home in the countryside, along with some goats and chickens, and their wish list also includes a trip to disneyland for their children. and, if they're lucky, on their best behaviour, they may even get a pet dog. well, the couple say that finding out they'd won was life changing. we were just waking up to get the kids ready for school and we

were talking. >> graham was checking his phone because i'm boring to talk to, and then just out of the blue said , shut up a minute. i think said, shut up a minute. i think we've won the lottery. so checked it carried on just getting the kids ready for school and ukip first we miscounted and thought 100,000 and were still jumping up and down for that. and then we sort of stopped a second and recounted. and yeah, it was crazy. absolutely ridiculous . crazy. absolutely ridiculous. >> that's the latest from the newsroom for now. i'll be back with another update at 9:00. in the meantime, sign up to gb news alerts. you can scan the qr code on your screen, or if you're listening on radio, go to gb news. common alerts. >> welcome back to free speech nafion >> welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. so we've got this wonderful studio audience here. let's get some more questions. we've got a question first from ivan. ivan where are you?

>> good evening. hello, it's pope francis . homophobic. pope francis. homophobic. >> what do you think, ivan? >> what do you think, ivan? >> i'm a gay catholic. and but i don't think so. if it's true, the word was equivalent to faggotry. and it's faggotry in seminaries . i mean, it's seminaries. i mean, it's a religion, not a nightclub. you know ? know? >> yes, i, i think ivan is entitled to say that word, being a gay catholic. and what luck that you're here. yeah. so pope francis has apologised, though, and i wonder about him using that word, whether it was just a kind of, you know, it's a second language thing, potentially. maybe the word doesn't have the same connotations as. yeah. >> so he speaks spanish, he's argentinian. so he's in italy. he's got the top job over there, probably got some detractors. obviously somebody grassing him up who grasses the pope up. >> and that's pretty bad. >> and that's pretty bad. >> i mean. >> i mean. >> well, no, but in catholicism you go to confession and then it's fine. >> you tell god, yeah. >> you tell god, yeah. >> you tell god, yeah. >> you know, you don't, like, put it on social media. it's ridiculous. that's a good point. >> no question. i mean, this is the thing is, with pope francis, he's seen usually as a very progressive pope. >> he is he's the person that

said, who am i to judge? well, said, who am ito judge? well, exactly. the pope. so no, i don't think he is. generally, it sounds like a slip up to me. >> yeah. i mean, ivan, do you feel that he's a judgemental p0pe feel that he's a judgemental pope or do you think he is a progressive pope? >> i think he's. >> i think he's. >> i think he's. >> i think he's compassionate and, merciful. and, you know, pastoral stuff is very high on his agenda. yeah. >> so we shouldn't give him too much of a hard time on this. >> definitely not. >> definitely not. >> no, no, no, i think he's a decent, decent chap. the pope. okay, let's move on to another question from roger. hello hello, hello. >> are we sick of the word woke and the whole woke? >> oh, yes. absolutely >> oh, yes. absolutely >> and i'm speaking as someone who wrote a book called woke, but anyway, what do you think about this? because i know what this is about. because i know lionel shriver has been speaking at the hay literary festival. no saying that we need a new word, you know. what do you know? >> a new word would be. but it's just, i think treat everybody with respect and do as you would be done by. it's just it's all overdone, isn't it? >> the problem is that every single poll that we have about the word woke shows that nobody can agree what it means. i mean, to me, it's to do it's basically

a synonym for anti—liberal. it's a synonym for anti—liberal. it's a synonym for authoritarian. you know, a lot of people who self—identify as woke say, i'm just wanting i just want to treat people equally . i just treat people equally. i just want to be against racism, against homophobia, sexism . but against homophobia, sexism. but that's pretty much everyone. and i don't think that's what it means , really. i think what what means, really. i think what what they mean is we want to be against all these things, but we want to impose our values by authoritarian means. yeah, well, that's very interesting because i thought when i read this, i thought, no, lionel, leave it alone. >> we've got a perfectly good word. don't do the modern thing of changing what words mean. but you're saying that lots of people have different meanings anyway. >> most people don't even know what it means, i think. but yeah, but this is the problem. this is why you get when kathy burke, the actress, talks about how, oh, you should just be woke and saying to the kid, just be woke, kids just be woke. but to me that means to want to implement really racially divisive policies, to kerb free speech, to be quite anti—gay in the way that you treat people who are suffering from gender dysphoria. so, in fact, it's a kind of backwards step . but i kind of backwards step. but i don't think she would say be woke if she thought it meant all those things. >> well, no, no, that's right, she wouldn't. so maybe we need a

new words, but more, more people to read your work. andrew. we do , we do. >> but the trouble is, leo, what do we call it? i mean, we need a shortcut, don't we? because we can't just say a authoritarian philosophy that it has its roots in foucauldian thought with an element of the frankfurt school. we can't. we can't do all of that. >> i mean, everybody's got their own definition. i'd say it's the weaponization of victimhood or identity to gain some sort of social status or financial status. >> that's part of it as well. but again, that doesn't trip off the tongue. yeah. yeah. right. so you need a way to describe i think in the 90s we had it perfectly political correctness because the thing about that political correctness, everybody knows what it means. >> and also it's quite specific. it describes it. you're not telling . it's not you're not telling. it's not you're not telling. it's not you're not telling the truth. you're not being correct. you're being what's politically correct, what's politically correct, what's socially you know, the accepted thing to do. >> yeah, it's a tricky one, isn't it ? but we'll just have to isn't it? but we'll just have to keep working with the word woke, i think at the moment, because it's the, the clearest shortcut. anyway, we're going to move on now to a question from christopher. do we have christopher. do we have christopher. hi, christopher. hi, andrew. >> thank you, on a less

confrontational topic, a wealthy white man destroying the world. >> our wealthy white men destroying the world. what do you think, christopher? >> i think we all have a role to play, but maybe more so people in those positions of power. >> i think rich people certainly have, but with the whiteness, this is actually to do with a study, this found that wealthy white men from rural areas are the uk's biggest emitters of climate heating gases, because they have the bigger cars. right? | they have the bigger cars. right? i mean, i don't know what it's to do with them being white particularly, but i think they should have said if they wanted to. >> men in rural areas. and isn't it the case that there just happens to be a lot of white blokes there? >> yeah, because they're kind of implying that being white essentially makes you emit more dangerous gases. >> yeah, what a shock. it's the guardian. i mean, when i read this, the guardian was i wanted to ring my dad and say, oh, thanks for your massive carbon footprint, dad, because it bought us shoes and our dinner and all of that stuff. yeah, because my dad was driving. because he was the one earning the money. my mum was at home more than him, so she had a smaller carbon footprint. yeah. >> so. but what's again? why doesit >> so. but what's again? why does it have to be racialized? i

don't think it's the case that when white people travel on, on planes, it emits more fumes. yeah.i planes, it emits more fumes. yeah. i don't think it doesn't work that way, does it? yeah. >> no. absolutely. and also, if the guardian are really so concerned about emissions, why are they pro—immigration when people come from , you know, say people come from, you know, say if you come from the congo or sierra leone to the uk, your carbon footprint goes up around 150 times. so if you really care about carbon emissions, why wouldn't you want to close the borders ? borders? >> but you also know that all guardian journalists never take planes or drive cars or anything like that. yeah, neither the green party politicians, they certainly don't fly to their, fly to brussels. yeah. my favourite one was when, emma thompson flew first class from la to attend an emergency climate protest to read a poem. to read a poem. pretty. it was a pretty good poem. anyway, let's move on to another question from mark. where's mark? hi mark. g'day. >> i'm actually on holidays from australia and, i it's pride month. >> yes, pretty much over here at the moment. i was just up in birmingham and i know in a few weeks time it's, it's london

pride and i don't know as, as pride month lost. it's lost. it's it's way a little bit because in australia do they have pride month in the same month or is it a different. no no it's different months. >> which month do you have. >> which month do you have. >> it's in november. well it depends. depends where you are. i'm in perth so it depends if you're in sydney or perth i'm surprised i haven't done like a good few months now because isn't in canada. >> i think they're doing a pride season now and i think eventually it would just be this is pride year. pride year coming up. why not? i'm so bored of it. like because it comes around every year and suddenly every shopis every year and suddenly every shop is sort of drenched in these really ugly flags and all of a sudden all these corporate flags, the flags are grim. >> no, no, no, the original freedom flag, yes, was about everybody . yeah. everybody. yeah. >> of course, of course. no, i don't disagree with you, mark, because the original flag was just a rainbow flag, which is about unity. and it was saying, look, anyone's involved. it doesn't matter. your skin colour, doesn't matter your sexuality, all the rest of it. but now they've added black and brown stripes to suggest racial inclusivity, as though the red stripes and the purple stripes were about skin colour. somehow and they've added trans colours. but the whole point of the

rainbow is that's everyone, right? that's everyone. but also, of course , this is a also, of course, this is a corporation's. this is about corporate. >> have you seen the guyanese product? >> no. what's that? >> no. what's that? >> google guyanese. there's now a mayonnaise that says gayer. i'm not kidding. gay and i've been sent this today. yes. it's so cynical . so cynical. >> is it rainbow coloured mayonnaise. well, the packaging is okay now . is okay now. >> you'd pull that off. yeah. >> you'd pull that off. yeah. >> because you're not going to eat that, are you? and you can use it as lube. >> leo kearse he's talking about lubricant for cars. >> cars and that kind of thing. >> cars and that kind of thing. >> well sandwiches lubricate your sandwich. >> but the corporate element to this is really i mean we all know every year all of the major corporations put that flag up, but they don't do it on their middle east accounts. yeah. where it might actually make a difference because they hang gay people from cranes. >> yeah. i'm starting to think it's all about corporations making money by going along with what's popular in that area . what's popular in that area. >> so cynical, leo, but that's the point, isn't it? none of them were flying this flag back when, you know, we didn't have equal age of consent back when being gay was illegal. you know, back, you know, when , you know,

back, you know, when, you know, they didn't do any of that when there wasn't equal marriage. all there wasn't equal marriage. all the rest of it, they do it now when it's safe. and that, i think, is what's so annoying. a lot of gay people are sick of it. >> and you get like a lockheed martin float at a pride parade, like, you know, our rockets and missiles that are getting, you know, dropped on refugee camps are very walking inclusive. >> we're going to kill people in an inclusive way . yeah, an inclusive way. yeah, absolutely. i mean, it's just it's just grim, isn't it? okay and all those flags, honestly, the progress pride flag is the most disordered, headache inducing thing i just cannot stand it at all. okay. anyway, let's get another question now. >> jacqui, i have a gastronomic question . question. >> i'm glad, jackie, we don't do enough of that on this show. >> not enough at all. should gordon ramsay be putting baked beans on pizzas? jackie, before you go, just i want to ask you about that because there are two going. i'm staying. no good, good, good. >> but you looked poised to sit down, and i want you to articulate your view. so the baked bean on pizza thing gordon ramsay has done that is that

cultural appropriation. because i know the italians are annoyed about this, aren't they? >> oh, well, if you can have a salt on chocolate, i don't see why you shouldn't have baked beans on pizzas. >> well, that's very radical of you, jackie. but i mean, i, i think that's right. yeah. because when they started putting sea salt in. yeah. i mean, that was an abomination as far as i can see. do you think? well steve van allen loves it. he keeps going on about it. but so gordon ramsay putting these baked beans, he's called it an engush baked beans, he's called it an english breakfast pizza . and english breakfast pizza. and it's got egg as well. and sausage, bacon, black pudding . sausage, bacon, black pudding. the italians are crying. cultural appropriation on this. >> some of them are. do you think they're all upset about this? >> they are marching in the streets absolutely furious. >> well, maybe he should be prosecuted under the trade descriptions act then, because it's no longer pizza, it's no longer english. >> oh, jack, you're so extreme . >> oh, jack, you're so extreme. what do you think, leo? >> i don't think it's the worst thing british people have done to the pizza. i mean, if italian people want something to get upset about. what about scottish people and the deep fried pizza. i mean , is that not a myth, though? >> no, no. >> no, no. >> any chip shop in scotland will do it for you. >> deep fried pizza. deep fried

pizza. >> yeah. and it's we put cooked chips inside it and all of them fold it in half. >> so it's a calzone. >>— >> so it's a calzone. >> yeah, it's a chip calzone. and you know what. it's served with chips. it's sunny virk. >> remind me. does scotland have a low or high heart attack rate. it's got a high heart attack rate. >> and it's not just since the since the vaccine came out. it's longstanding. >> i mean, that is quite unbelievable. a deep fried pizza. the thing is, with the pizza, you know, when you create something like that , people something like that, people should be able to do whatever they want with it. i mean, even a hawaiian has pineapple on it. i'm sure that's not very italian, is it? >> andrew? this is the home of free speech, and i think it's. and free pizza. >> exactly, exactly, exactly. yeah. we will fight for your right to eat whatever you want on your pizzas. next up on free speech nation, china has once again threatened taiwan a week after holding military drills around the island. fears are rising that they could be set to take more serious action against what beijing views as simply a breakaway province. we're going to be asking two experts how worried should we be about all of this? see you

welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. china warned today that anyone pursuing independence for taiwan will be crushed to pieces and face destruction. the threat comes just a week after china conducted large scale military drills around taiwan in what it called punishment for so—called separatist acts. so how worried should we be about a potential war and would the us get involved in defence of taiwan? we'll be shortly. speaking via video link to nigel inkster, who is senior advisor for cybersecurity and china at the international institute for strategic studies, and here in the studio, i'm joined by geopolitics expert doctor roger gewolb. welcome to the show . gewolb. welcome to the show. rogenl gewolb. welcome to the show. roger, i want to come to you first about this. this is absolutely fascinating, but there are a lot of

misunderstandings about what's going on in china and taiwan and the tensions that are occurring there. so firstly, can i ask you about this? a lot of people perceive it to be the case that if there is an escalation that the us is obliged to intervene, is that correct? >> no, only in the case of an unprovoked attack . if they're unprovoked attack. if they're messing around, if they're being aggressive , if they're poking aggressive, if they're poking the us, it's very woolly . the us, it's very woolly. they're not committed to particularly do anything. the whole china situation is kind of woolly , in a strange sort of woolly, in a strange sort of way. it is perceived that china is the bad guy. it's a russia ukraine situation, but that's not actually the case, because there are really three factors in play here. as i see. the first one is the one china policy , which says taiwan is policy, which says taiwan is part of china. they belong together to the same country. now the us and us here accept the one china policy and the language is also woolly. andrew, it says, we acknowledge but don't approve of. okay. so we

have all these relations with taiwan and support and arms and trade and a million. but it's all under the table. it's under the radar. it's not official because they're not a state and they're not recognised. i think a lot of people will be surprised. >> surprised. >> surprised. >> so the thing that keeps it safe, i think point number one, is that china can take comfort that they aren't the world's bad quy- that they aren't the world's bad guy. they aren't putin, they aren't russia invading ukraine. yes, they're claiming what everybody else says. do you want to say it's your country, okay. it's your country. >> but a lot of people are interpreting. for instance, xi jinping meeting with putin the other week as being a kind, you know, that this is a kind of new axis of evil sort of sort of developing. yeah. >> well, they are going to become more aggressive because of the second and third factors. i think the second factor is, well, three factors really. one is this new president, which i've mentioned . so, you know, he i've mentioned. so, you know, he is not the one they would have liked who is in favour of unification. so they're going to show their muscle , the third show their muscle, the third factor is joe biden, who they

perceive surprise, surprise as rather weak . and his recent in rather weak. and his recent in the last week or so way in which he's dealt with his support for israel in a kind of a wishy washy way i think they're going to take note of and realise they can push a bit further. >> very interesting. we're going to come back to that point. i think about about the american situation, but i just want to bnngin situation, but i just want to bring in nigel inkster at this point. nigel, can i ask you about these recent military drills ? of course. the last time drills? of course. the last time we saw this was when nancy pelosi was over there in november of 2022, is this simply a show of muscle, as roger says, this is or is there something more sinister at play here? >> it is a show of muscle. it's actually a lot of things. it is actually a lot of things. it is a show of muscle. it's a show of disapproval for the new president, william lai , whose president, william lai, whose inaugural address didn't say anything new but said some things in a way that china found particularly , offensive, i think particularly, offensive, i think it's worth bearing in mind that between the election of lai in

january this year and now, china's military activity in the taiwan straits has been relatively restrained and limited, up until this point, the other purposes of the exercises , are, deterrence , to exercises, are, deterrence, to try to convince, potential actors like the united states that they can't to hope intervene, effectively in the event of china deciding to invade. it's also about continuing to impose psychological pressure on taiwan and attrition on taiwan's armed forces, who have to send up their ageing fleet of f—16 fighters every time these incursions take place. this imposes a significant toll on them . and, of course, it's also them. and, of course, it's also part of chinese military efforts to develop the capabilities and

to develop the capabilities and to exercise the capabilities that they would need if they're going to take taiwan. >> very interesting. i just want to come back to roger about this, because there are a number of reasons why the chinese might want might want to have a presence there. there's the oil resources, of course, in the south china seas, but there's also this question of superconductors. 70% of the world's superconductors are in taiwan, this actually has huge ramifications. if china were to seize those factories, would it not? >> i was not? >>i was youn g not? >> i was young, yeah. i was just going to come on to that. and for the benefit of our viewers and our audience. i mean, you know, why are we all sitting here talking about china and taiwan? it's miles away. it's two countries. it's not us. we've got enough of our troubles here. well, the reason why is chips and superconductors. because if those fell into the wrong hands or were used in the wrong hands or were used in the wrong way, that would be the end of the world. commerce, the internet , it, everything we do, internet, it, everything we do, the automotive industries, everything would fall apart. that's why it's so strategic. and that's why we're talking about it. >> a lot of people don't know about this at all. and of course these chips are used in all sorts of devices. >> absolutely everything would fall apart. and that's another

reason that china needs to be cautious, because it would hit them as well. >> and what would happen in that eventuality? a chinese invasion would it be the case that taiwan would it be the case that taiwan would destroy those factories? the us might destroy those factories? what would what would happen? they could be shut down. >> they could be damaged. they could be voluntarily shut by the taiwanese. they could be taken over by the chinese, who upped the price that the economics of everything gets crazy. anything could happen . could happen. >> nigel, i want to ask you about this, because there are, of course, a lot of rumours that that xi jinping is saying that by 2027, taiwan will be within the remit of china. do you think thatis the remit of china. do you think that is likely? and do you think we should be interpreting the recent military activity as a gesture towards that eventuality, it's almost certainly true that xi jinping has made this , requirement put has made this, requirement put this requirement on the pla to be ready by 2027. but capability one is one thing and intention is another . and i think at the is another. and i think at the moment, xi jinping is looking at the situation in taiwan and

thinking that actually time is on his side and things are , to on his side and things are, to some degree, going his way. okay. william lai, the, of the dpp was elected president, in the january vie elections. but in the legislative yuan , we've in the legislative yuan, we've seen, a majority, by china's taiwan's two main opposition parties, the guomindang and the taiwan people's party. and in recent in the last week, these two parties have got together and introduced a series of new, laws, a draft laws in the legislative yuan, which, if enacted, would serious restrict the dpp ability to govern and would enable the opposition, for example, to have much greater oversight and say in things like military budgets , and, you know,

military budgets, and, you know, the guomindang in particular has been very critical of, taiwan's efforts to develop a new modern submarine fleet, which would be one of the most effective things they could do to deter a pla attack . so i think xi jinping is attack. so i think xi jinping is looking at all of these things and thinking, okay, well, the situation is not that bad. and maybe by continuing, a process of attrition, carrot and stick, but mainly stick, we might still be able to pull this off peacefully. i think personally , peacefully. i think personally, he is overestimating his ability to do that, but for the moment, i think that is the dominant concern. i mean, it's certainly the case that she does not want a full blown war, involving the united states. and, it's allies. i mean, the united states as as as our other speaker has mentioned, maintained a strategy

of strategic ambiguity in relation to taiwan, not saying it would or would not intervene in the event of an attack. but biden is, in the last year, four times said that the us would. so i think we have to take that. and the other thing is, in reference to the semiconductor issue, if china were to take those , taiwan and take control those, taiwan and take control of those , foundries, nobody of those, foundries, nobody would have to do anything . would have to do anything. they're dependent on a massive, complex global supply chain of inputs, chemicals , vehicles, inputs, chemicals, vehicles, lenses, etc, etc. almost all of which come from western countries. any interruption in that supply chain and those foundries would simply cease to function. >> very interesting. roger, i want to come to you finally on this issue of america, nigel mentioned the way in which , mentioned the way in which, biden is sending mixed messages here. now, biden of course, as you've alluded to, is trying to appease, different factions of his voter base when it comes to israel. but there's also now this trial of donald trump, of the conviction of donald trump .

the conviction of donald trump. does this make america look weak? and is that why xi jinping is reacting the way he does? >> well, that's the last point. i mean, biden's mistake or joe i mean, biden's mistake orjoe obama, biden, as i call him , his obama, biden, as i call him, his mistake is that he's treating hamas and israel the same. i mean, the head of a democratic country and the head of a terrorist organisation. and he's forcing now he's trying to force the hand of both hamas and iran . the hand of both hamas and iran. their masters couldn't care less what biden thinks or america thinks , and he's going to put thinks, and he's going to put the israelis under pressure to the point where they're going to say, well, you know, we don't care what you think either. so l, care what you think either. so i, i think this peace plan, which he claims is israel's, but they claim is his, has not been very well thought out, but how does that impact on the chinese perspective? because, as i said earlier, the chinese will look at that and say, this guy is a weakling. in the same way as hamas saw that israel was riven in two by the political faction and thought, that's a good time to go and attack, the fourth point, which you just mentioned is trump. and i think that's another factor. if trump is

given a jail sentence, he will not be able to pardon himself because these are state crimes, not federal. only the governor of new york can pardon him. and so he can serve as president in jail under the constitution. yes, he can. he can indeed , so yes, he can. he can indeed, so the same people who've set up all these witch hunt trials for him are now introducing into congress that a president in jail may not have secret service protection. >> it's incredible to think that this is happening. >> that's the latest thing today. no secret service protection for you. you know, treat them like harry. >> unbelievable . well, look, >> unbelievable. well, look, this is fascinating stuff. i hope you'll come back on the show. thank you so much for joining me. doctor roger gewolb and nigel inkster as well. thank you . and next on free speech you. and next on free speech nation, a new investigation has found that over 95% of schools in scotland allow children to self—identify their gender. we're going to be joined by susan smith , director of four susan smith, director of four women's scotland, the

organisation who carried out the investigation. that's coming up next. don't go

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scotland, authored the report, which warns that biological males can participate in female only sports classes and enter female toilets and changing rooms. because of the self—id policy, using freedom of information requests for women, scotland discovered that 9 in 10 scottish secondary schools taught pupils that people have a gender identity that could be different to their biological sex. so joining me now is one of the directors of four women's scotland, susan smith, welcome to the show, susan. this is very troubling. a lot of people have said that all of this kind of stuff is a bit of a myth, that it's just the product of the imagination of culture warriors, but your freedom of information requests show that the teaching of gender identity, a highly contested theory as fact is endemic in scottish schools isn't that right? >> yes, it's. that's exactly right. and it was based on foi that were done in england. and the results in england were substantial , actually lower. but substantial, actually lower. but it doesn't really surprise us because for a long time we have had, some completely dreadful

guidance in scottish schools that's come from the scottish government that we don't believe is legal. and we also have some very , very determined government very, very determined government funded lobby groups who are also in schools and who are also giving schools advice , which is giving schools advice, which is not legal. so it's not a surprise . but parents should be surprise. but parents should be really worried because children are actually being put at risk because there are so many safeguarding failures here and there are so many legal failures here. >> now, to put this into perspective for english viewers, you know, a lot of people here will think of the way that stonewall has influenced in various corporations. for instance, or public bodies in scotland. you've got lgbt youth scotland, which is paid an awful lot of money to go into schools and a lot of schools will outsource the teaching of sex education to those people. is that the problem or is it even doesit that the problem or is it even does it go higher than that, that's a very big part of the problem. and as you say, lgbt youth get a lot of money. they

get, about £1 million a year from, the government and local authorities and the nhs and then they go into schools and charge they go into schools and charge the schools for them to deliver this training. they're training up teachers as well, and we think they've trained about 5000 teachers in about 200 schools, 90% of teachers have had training from lgbt youth scotland. they don't have any expertise in these areas, and they are an activist group . and they are an activist group. and one of the things they came out with recently, for example , with recently, for example, after the cass report was released , they, they said they released, they, they said they disagreed on puberty blockers and that they, they believed there was a huge benefit in what they call gender affirming medicine . so they're actually on medicine. so they're actually on a, a completely different track to what people are now starting to what people are now starting to realise is best practice when deaung to realise is best practice when dealing with gender. confused children, but they are not being questioned within the schools

and they need to be out. but you're right, it does go higher because we do have this transgender guidance for schools and that was actually originally written by lgbt youth scotland . written by lgbt youth scotland. and the scottish government had to review it because they found ministers found that it was not legal , but they've made some legal, but they've made some pretty basic changes to it. they've even got a little disclaimer in that guidance, saying that schools have to take independent legal advice . so independent legal advice. so it's they know that, it's open to challenge. and we believe that a school could face a pretty serious harassment charge at some point in the future. and it's the school and the local authority, not the scottish government who'd be at fault. but schools don't know this. they have no idea that they are being fed this nonsense. >> well, can i ask you, susan, because you mentioned the cass review there, and i know that doctor hilary cass did appear at holyrood, and was questioned about this. why is it not the

case that the scottish government has? surely they have changed their mind about this on the basis of this expert, study that took over four years to put together? i mean, even in london, wes streeting for the labour party has said they're going to implement the findings of the cass review. aren't the snp going to follow suit and therefore presumably rewrite that guidance for schools ? that guidance for schools? >> well, the scottish parliament did. you're right. they voted to endorse the cass report. and, in theory, yes, they should be pulling this straight away, they're not and it's very difficult. of course, when something's in, and it may have to take a legal challenge to get it out , but, it runs completely it out, but, it runs completely contrary to cass. and what is terrifying, what is really , terrifying, what is really, really terrifying with these flies that we found are that parents are being positioned as the enemy , only 4% of schools the enemy, only 4% of schools said that they would tell parents if a child decided they were changing their gender. and

a lot of the excuses and rationale given for this have come from this transgender guidance for schools and from lgbt youth, and so on. and it makes out that parents are potentially dangerous, so children are being taught material and parents have no oversight of it, and they should be very worried. >> so that's a real problem. but one of the other things that you were talking about in your report is regarding the idea of male students using female facilities, toilets, participating or changing rooms and then participating in sports for girls. how common is that in scottish schools ? scottish schools? >> well, we've got very conservative numbers actually in the report because there were some, schools where we had incomplete information. but what we found was that, 60% of schools were operating mixed, toilet facilities. and 55% have mixed changing facilities and

about the same amount, 54, allow for mixed sex school sports. there are very few that are actually preserving single sex. so it's, i think it's 3% for sports and it's something like 13 and 19% for toilets and changing rooms . so girls have changing rooms. so girls have been put in a terrible position because we know that girls participation in sports is quite low anyway, and that girls are often drop out due to worries about body image and, feeling feeling inadequate. and if you put them in a mixed sex group to play put them in a mixed sex group to play sport, all of that gets compounded. so girls health is seriously at risk as well as, frankly, their physical safety and the likelihood of suffering some kind of harassment . some kind of harassment. >> so finally, susan, now that you've, conducted these freedom of information requests, now that you've exposed the extent of the problem, do you think something will actually be done

about it ? about it? >> oh, gosh, i would i would like to think so. but we've been at this for a very long time and you know, we've come up with a lot of this information, ultimately i think these things do start to crumble. we've seen quite a lot of that within, especially within some of the single sex, rape crisis and domestic violence services . but, domestic violence services. but, it takes quite a while on pulling on these threads. and then something just dreadful happens and everyone says , gosh, happens and everyone says, gosh, what a terrible surprise. and we didn't see that coming. but it's really about time people sat up when they are warned and paid pay when they are warned and paid pay attention because these things will unravel. but i'm worried that when they unravel, there will be a lot of very damaged young people as, as, as part of that damage. >> absolutely . well, susan >> absolutely. well, susan smith, thanks ever so much for joining me today. really appreciate it. and next on free speech nation, a suspended driverjoins speech nation, a suspended driver joins his court speech nation, a suspended driverjoins his court hearing driver joins his court hearing while behind a wheel, a

contestant on the chase spectacularly butchers his answer and angela rayner gives tiktok a special behind the scenes look at the labour battle bus. yes, it's almost time for social sensation . you won't want social sensation. you won't want to miss that. see you a few

welcome back to free speech nation. it's time for social sensations. that's the part of the show where we look at what's been going viral this week on social media. and first up, we've got this video of a suspended driver in the us who turned up via zoom to his court heanng turned up via zoom to his court hearing on the road. let's have a look . a look. >> mr harris, are you driving ? >> mr harris, are you driving? >> mr harris, are you driving? >> i'm actually i'm pulling into my doctor's office. >> actually, this is a driving license. suspended. >> that is correct, your honour , >> that is correct, your honour, and he was just driving . he and he was just driving. he didn't have a license .

didn't have a license. >> i mean, he seems so surprised . i mean, i think it's bad enough sort of zooming into a court hearing a bit late. i mean, he actually says in the full video, though, i'm just pulling over now. i'll be with you in a second. yeah. and the judge says, look, i don't know why you've done this, but i'm going to have to sentence you how. >> now. >> yeah, yeah. i mean, the evidence is right there, but he's probably just not very smart, right? >> yeah. but the judge couldn't believe it. yeah. it's just absolutely. i mean, what else can you say? >> i don't know what you can say. good effort. i like, you know, i'm always impressed by people that are a bit more outrageous. so. >> but i don't think he was trying to be outrageous. i just think it didn't cross his mind. >> and also in a lot of zoom calls, i'm not wearing any trousers. >> so that's true. >> so that's true. >> that's him going to get out the car like that. yeah. >> i wish he wouldn't stand up when you do that. anyway, we're going to move on now to this. this is a video from itv's game show the chase, when contestants had the chance to get one over on the chaser, jenny ryan confectionery company makes revels .

revels. >> cadbury, start the clock. thatis >> cadbury, start the clock. that is wrong. take your time himars, she said. >> cadbury himars nephew cadbury i >> -- >> she said cadbury mars is exactly what fiona said . exactly what fiona said. >> okay, that's not that's a i mean that's ridiculous, she said. the right answer. the chaser had already said the wrong answer. he just vetoed her. >> do we all know what the chaser is? chaseris? >> well, that's the problem is that if you don't know the rules, this probably won't make much sense, right? >> no, i can't say i've ever seen it. okay. i'm aware of bradley walsh. >> well, i mean the point. >> well, i mean the point. >> so the chaser got the answer wrong. so then the players get to have a go at getting it right. but they said the same answer as what the chaser said. okay and it's funny. >> so again, it's just another video with a very stupid person. that seems to be the theme tonight. anyway, let's get another one. this is the labour party who have shared a behind the scenes look at their new battle bus on tiktok. come on guys, we're going on the bus. >> this is where all the action happens. >> this is where all the action happens . and then i have

happens. and then i have a fridge . fridge. >> how did this get here? >> how did this get here? >> we have a little secret area in the back, so we have the little secret area . little secret area. >> i mean, i like the funky music. >> yeah . and also i like the >> yeah. and also i like the fact that angela rayner has that bus recorded as a, as a business expense. they don't pay tax on it . it's, they, i know you can't it. it's, they, i know you can't call that a battle bus. i thought this guy built a killdozer. he spent years, like, putting armour plating on this bulldozer. and then drove it across town and eventually was shot dead by the police. that's a that's a battle buster. this is just a bus. yeah, i think battle bus is what you get in mad max, right? >> yeah, yeah, that was a very dull episode of the crib. >> yeah . yeah. so you don't know >> yeah. yeah. so you don't know nicki minaj, but you do watch the crib . popular culture i the crib. popular culture i know, i know, you don't. let's move on now because this is the part of the show where we talk through your unfiltered dilemmas. we've got a dilemma from kirstie, kirstie said, i wrote in a few weeks ago to ask for advice when the guy i was speaking to kept sending lengthy

voice notes. we've now been on a couple of dates and at the end of date two, he proposed. is this all going too fast or is he just an old school romantic? you know, those very long voice notes? i always think they're a bit of a red flag. absolutely. >> i can't believe we told her to get rid of him. the first. and now i can just say it's not good. >> what? okay, so it's two. >> what? okay, so it's two. >> well, i should be the authority in this because i'm successfully married and i propose to my wife, seriously, on a boat, like, date number five or something. it was very early on, but i could tell like straight away. so. yeah, i mean, it depends if the date . it depends if the date. >> do you do that so that she didn't have time to get to know you properly? yeah >> yeah, i know she's trapped how. >> now. >> she's trapped. >> she's trapped. >> no, she's got her pregnant. got that locked in. that's great. >> that's great advice from leo. let's move on now to a second dilemma from harry. harry says, i think it's important to dress smartly for work, even at weekends. but my colleagues have other ideas . was, and sadly, one other ideas. was, and sadly, one of them is my boss. how have we let standards slip so badly,

leo, you always dress smartly, so this doesn't really apply to you, but what do you think? >> yeah, i mean, relatively smartly compared to what i normally wear. yeah. but yeah, like, i think, like, i think the most important thing is we're a nice shoes. oh, yeah. if you wear a nice shoes, you can wear anything. and it looks like it just elevates what you're wearing. it looks like you're wearing. it looks like you're wearing shabby chic instead of just, like, shabby. >> oh, yeah. if you wear really posh shoes, people will think the rest of it must be expensive. yeah, okay, that's interesting. or as in the shawshank redemption, he says, well, how often do people look at your shoes? so maybe that's not the best advice. what do you think? >> i'm not sure about this posh shoe. no. imagine that. like shiny brogues and a tracksuit. that's just a very nice shoe. >> but you always make an effort, don't you, cressida? >> in terms of dressing for work, i'm glad you think so, andrew. good. that's. yes, i make an effort. you know what started us all off was louis schaefer wearing suits. >> oh, really? >> oh, really? >> yeah. he's responsible for dress standards @gbnews. thought. >> i thought you're saying he invented the suit? he would like to think so. >> i'm sure he would probably tell people that he does anyway.

so, we've got to move on. thanks so much forjoining us for so, we've got to move on. thanks so much for joining us for free speech nation. this week. this was the week, of course, when donald trump was convicted in court. the pope was in trouble for homophobia, and it was revealed that gender ideology is rife in scottish schools. thanks ever so much to my panel, cressida wetton and leo kearse and to all of my brilliant guests this evening. and if you want to join us live here in the studio in london and be part of the audience dead easy, just go to sro audiences.com, you can apply there. stay tuned for mark dolan tonight that's coming up next. don't forget headliners is on every night at 11:00. that's the late night paper preview show where comedians talk you through the next day's top news stories . thanks ever so much for stories. thanks ever so much for watching free speech nation. i'll see you next week. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello and welcome to your gb news weather update brought to

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be some sunny spells across the northern isles, but plenty of showers in between those spells of sunshine. overall on monday it's going to be a rather cloudy picture. still with those spots of rain and drizzle in the northwest. by the time we reach the afternoon . it may brighten the afternoon. it may brighten up a little bit across central and southern uk, but most of the sunshine is going to be across scotland . however, quite scotland. however, quite a blustery day on offer there, so that will just take the edge off the temperatures a little bit. but in those sheltered spots where you catch the sunshine, it should still be feeling warm . should still be feeling warm. now, as we head into tuesday , we now, as we head into tuesday, we are going to see a bit of a change. further rain moving in from the northwest. quite blustery and plenty of showers behind two. however, it will still be staying dry across the south and southeast and still feeling warm where you do catch any sunnier spells but cooler across scotland, particularly in that wind . and as we head into that wind. and as we head into next week, fairly unsettled, largely dry in the south, but it is going to be feeling largely cool. >> looks like things are heating up boxt boiler boilers, sponsors of weather on

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run as a candidate for the party in july's general election. the veteran mp will represent hackney north and stoke newington, a seat she's held for many years. after speculation that she may have chosen to stand down, she's posted on social media tonight denying that she's been offered a seat in the house of lords and said that she wouldn't accept one if she retired . meanwhile, the she retired. meanwhile, the conservatives are pledging to amend the equality act to define the protected characteristic of sex as biological sex. the tories claim the change will help service providers for women and girls, like those supporting domestic abuse victims, to exclude biological males . prime exclude biological males. prime minister rishi sunak argues that labour's equality act, he minister rishi sunak argues that labour's equality act , he says, labour's equality act, he says, lacks clarity on when it means sex and when it means gender. however, it's understood the proposed changes to the law would not remove the existing protections against discrimination on the basis of gender reassignment, and the liberal democrats are pushing for new protections for rivers

and coastlines to combat what they've described as environmental vandalism. they're manifesto is expected to include expanded marine protected areas and blue flag status for rivers . and blue flag status for rivers. leader sir ed davey is accusing the current government of failing to protect swimmers and wildlife from sewage discharge . wildlife from sewage discharge. and that comes as data from the environment agency has shown that a 54% rise in sewage spills took place last year. that a 54% rise in sewage spills took place last year . prince took place last year. prince william has praised rob burrow as the legend of rugby league, and he says with a huge heart, the former england international and charity fundraiser has died at the age of 41. he was diagnosed with motor neurone disease in 2019 before being awarded a cbe for helping to raise millions of pounds to promote awareness of the mnd condition. it came just two years after he retired from playing following a successful 17 year career, including eight grand final wins as well. he spent that entire career playing

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