the. he is now the leader of reform uk and he will stand in the next election. your thoughts on that also as well? i want to talk about a tory policy as well. gender and biological sex. is it time that we make clear the difference? is it a culture war or common sense? you tell me

. keir mather. touching hands, reaching out . tell me something. reaching out. tell me something. genuine question. did that look like a load of football hoougans like a load of football hooligans and far right muppets to you or not? why are the press so? absolutely intent on diminishing and smearing and undermining normal people with what i would call pretty normal concerns? your thoughts on that? i refer, of course, to the protests that took place on the weekend here in london. also as well, an open letter has just been written by media luvvies. they are demanding an end to uk arms sales to israel. meanwhile, just another day in britain, protesters have smashed the living daylights out of windows of multiple banks because, you guessed it, the war in gaza. your thoughts on it. guessed it, the war in gaza. your thoughts on it . all? well, your thoughts on it. all? well, well, well, we have got a lot to

get stuck into tonight. but before we do, let's cross live for tonight. 6:00 news. >> michelle, thank you and good evening to you. well as you've been hearing, nigel farage has said he will stand as the reform uk parliamentary candidate for clacton in essex in the general election in july. speaking at a news conference in london this afternoon to confirm his change of heart, mr farage also announced he'll take over as leader of the party. >> so i am going to stand in this election. i'll be launching my candidacy at midday tomorrow in the essex seaside town of clacton, so midday tomorrow. clacton, so midday tomorrow. clacton at the end of the pier and nigel farage well, in other news today, rishi sunak has denied he's stoking a culture war with his pledge to amend the equality act. >> the prime minister wants to make clear sex means biological

sex, rather than gender, and says the current confusion over the legal definition can't be allowed to continue. the proposals would allow organisations to bar men who identify as women from single—sex spaces, including hospital wards and sports events. labour has called the policy an election distraction. the liberal democrats have said there's no need to unpick the gender equality act. rishi sunak, though, says the conservatives are trying to clarify the law rather than change it. >> so the equalities act was passed over a decade ago, and what's clear today is that there's a lack of clarity in the law, and that's risking the safety of women and girls. so we've announced the bold action that we would change the law, change the equalities act so that sex means biological sex. and what that will do will mean that providers of single sex services and single—sex spaces will be able to protect women and girls and ensure their safety and security. >> rishi sunak, meanwhile , first >> rishi sunak, meanwhile, first minister and snp leader john

minister and snp leaderjohn swinney says the conservatives plans to change the equalities act are a deliberate attempt to undermine the scottish parliament. >> this is just another step in the conservative attempts to erode the powers of the scottish parliament. it's been going on for some time. it started after brexit with the internal market act , and the conservatives are act, and the conservatives are just carrying on this. this whole process of undermining and eroding the powers of the scottish parliament. now obviously, i don't accept that. i don't believe that i want the scottish parliament to be a parliament that can address all of the issues that affect the lives of people in scotland. so what the conservatives are doing today is part of a deliberate strategy to undermine the powers of the scottish parliament. >> john swinney, sukh keir starmer says labour is totally committed to the security of the nation. and he said to the uk's nuclear deterrent , he's nuclear deterrent, he's described the trident programme as a fundamental and vital part of our defence. labour is pledging to build four new nuclear submarines and increased

defence spending to 2.5% of gdp when economic conditions, sir keir says, are right. the conservatives say they'll meet that target by 2030. sir keir dismissed concerns that his shadow foreign secretary and the deputy party leader voted against the uk, having nuclear weapons just eight years ago, and he's criticised the tories for politicising the issue. >> prefer if politics were kept out of this issue even at this election , throughout the whole election, throughout the whole of this parliament, i have deliberately not been partisan over security yet. just before this election , the tories this election, the tories questioned this labour party's commitment to national security and i will not let that stand. the people of britain need to know that their leaders will keep them safe, and we will.

>> meanwhile, the liberal democrats are vowing to tackle water pollution as part of their manifesto. they've announced plans for a new protected blue flag status for rivers with legally binding targets to prevent sewage dumping and special protection for swimmers and wildlife . it's going to and wildlife. it's going to include, they say, the expansion of marine protected areas to cover at least 50% of the uk's territorial waters by 2030. lib dem deputy leader daisy cooper says the move will benefit everyone , and we've been leading everyone, and we've been leading the campaign to end the scandal of raw sewage dumping here in henley. >> local residents know all about that. they know that the sewage dumping is bad for wildlife, they know that it's causing real problems with tourism as well, and people want tourism as well, and people want to see an end to this particular scandal. that's why today liberal democrats are announcing our plans to introduce a blue flag status to protect local rivers . rivers. >> daisy cooper, speaking to gb news in henley on thames. now friends and fans of the former

rugby league legend rob burrow have paid tribute to the unassuming lad, with the superhero story following his death at the age of 41. burrow's passing was confirmed by leeds rhinos on sunday following a lengthy and high profile battle with motor neurone disease. he raised awareness and millions of pounds for the charity, and well—wishers have gathered outside headingley stadium in yorkshire today to pay their respects, laying flowers, scarves and other tributes to him. that's the for news the latest stories do sign up to gb news alerts. scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. common alerts. >> thank you very much for that, polly. i do want to start my program just reflecting on that last story there. like many of you, of course, we have been touched very much by rob burrows story when it comes to mnd is such a cruel, cruel, horrific,

horrific disease. and my thoughts, of course, go out not just to rob's family but of course all families as well that suffer with this disease. i really do hope and pray that a cure is found any day now. my fingers absolutely are crossed and i send my love to each and every one of you that are currently struggling with that horrendous disease. my name is michelle dewberry and i am with you until 7:00 tonight. alongside me, i've got my panel. the director of the popular conservatives, mark littlewood and the former labour mp luciana berger. good evening to you. welcome back to you, mark, as well. also, you know the drill on this programme, don't you? it is not just about us. sorry. it's very much about you guys at home as well. what's on your mind tonight, graham? you were my first contact in saint michel. please stop singing on your programme. honestly, i've missed my opportunity. i think really , i should have been some really, i should have been some kind of pop star or something. clearly i'm not. so i do like to have a little outlet every now and again. but whatever's on your mind tonight, you are very

welcome. gbnews.com/yoursay is how you can communicate to me and each other on the website. of course you can email gbviews@gbnews.uk. com or tweet or x me. lots of you getting in touch tonight. we have a lot to discuss. i also want to say as well, regular viewers of this programme will remember that we covered a horrific story a few weeks back. now don't worry, i'm not going to replay it. it was awful. then and it's just as awful. then and it's just as awful now. i'm talking about the organised dog fighting. do you remember that one? horrendous. well, we've got news today of some convictions secured on that subject . multiple people have subject. multiple people have been sentenced to prison. good is what i say. absolute scumbags, i've got to say, they're the largest , sentence they're the largest, sentence was for four years. the second subject, the second sentence was for two years and six months. and guess what? these guys got banned from owning dogs for ten years. i mean, i ain't being funny or anything, but what do

you think's going to happen after a decade? do you think that these people who seemingly think it's okay to torture animals suddenly have a personality transplant, change their ways after ten years? i think not, what says you? but you know what? look, at least some of these people are behind bars . good is what i say. and i bars. good is what i say. and i know that many of you were affected by that story, too, there you go. we've got it off to a positive start, haven't we, of course i want to look tonight at one of the big stories in town. after weeks, months, actually, of will he or won't he ? we know that the answer to thatis ? we know that the answer to that is now. yes. i'm talking of nigel farage. he has announced that now he's the new leader of reform uk. but there's more. he's also going to stand for election in ha. look let me cross live to christopher hope, our political editor. good evening to you, christopher. anyone that's just tuned in and doesn't know what on earth is going on, bring him up to speed .

going on, bring him up to speed. >> well, michelle, good evening. great to be on your show again . great to be on your show again. well, you join me here in central london, where we've seen some political news made here, in big, big, big style here with nigel farage saying he will to stand be an mp. he's going to fight the seat of clacton , a fight the seat of clacton, a seat held by douglas carswell for ukip. back at the 2015 general election. in fact, the only seat won by a ukip mp when he was leader. of course, nigel farage. back in the day, he announced that he announced that richard tice is standing aside. he'll become chairman. farage is now the leader and the leader. he says for five years. he says that the reform uk party can be the biggest party in parliament by 2029. he says the election is oven by 2029. he says the election is over. michelle, he says it's happened, it's gone , been and happened, it's gone, been and gone, labour has won a massive supermajority. he's talking there about the sky news mrp poll. this is a poll of 60,000 people between, the end of may

and early june. they are finding that labour have 422 mps after the election against the tories, 140, lib dems 48 and reform a big fat zero. that's a majority of 194. that's more than the blair majority that we saw back in 1997. so clearly. and that supports an mrp poll that gb news, was able to talk report on and announced on friday night, that that gave the labour party a much bigger majority . but even a much bigger majority. but even so we are looking at a triple digit majority for labour. according to two big mrp polls taking place in the past, two about five days have been announced elsewhere . earlier we announced elsewhere. earlier we heard from rishi sunak, the prime minister. he's been up in henley, campaigning on the issue of a culture wars issue of what is a woman? he she's making very clear that he believes his party and his government will try and change the equality act to

ensure that a woman is someone who is who is female at birth and that remains with with them. and that means that they can ban people from, from some shared spaces in, in prison cells in prisons and, and elsewhere. so it's an issue of issue of culture wars. they're trying to fight there. and with the labour party, they've been in the north of england supporting defence. they've got a triple lock on defence. they're saying that the labour government , if they win labour government, if they win power, will maintain the nuclear weapons, will build four new nuclear submarines in barrow and will upgrade the nuclear submarines when required, trying to distance themselves from the jeremy corbyn time. and of course, that labour leader couldn't even say he could fire a nuclear weapon in defence of our security in this country. and finally, the liberal democrats, they've been in also in henley, highlighting river pollution. and in fact, at one point today, daisy cooper, the deputy leader of the lib democrats, floated past on a boat waving as rishi sunak spoke with rowers and ate doughnuts.

and of course, the lib dems see that as a as a moment to kind of rain on the parade of the prime minister. they enjoy that quite a lot. >> interesting . so look at that. >> interesting. so look at that. look at it. i mean, if you're if you're listening on the radio and you can't see what is going on, you've just got a scene. i mean, it's almost like a bit of a comedy sketch. now you've just got people on, i mean, we talk about small boat crossings, don't we? and this is one that perhaps, rishi sunak would be desperately keen to stop because you've got a smiling, bunch of people there photobombing with the lib dem signs behind them. but i tell you, rishi sunak's not stopped any small boats any time soon, so he won't be stopping that one either. but for now, christopher hope, thank you very much for that update. i'm joined now by the political research director at savanta uk, chris hopkins. good evening to you. we've just been hearing there about some of the potential impacts of nigel farage returning to reform uk. your thoughts? >> yeah. i mean this has the potential to be massive, michel.

frankly, you know, i think that nigel farage is the closest that british politics really gets to celebrity. and that's irrespective of the fact that he went in in the jungle, you know, he's a name brand. yes. he is a bit divisive. but frankly, the types of voters that nigel farage and reform uk are going after aren't the sort you know, aren't the sort that already dislike him. they are. they are those that are kind of on the fence or maybe wavering from the conservative party we've seen in the last, you know, year and a half under rishi sunak's premiership that a lot of voters from the conservatives in 2019 have gone to reform uk. and there is real potential now that nigel farage is sort of back on the scene and yeah, it's going to be very prominent in this, in this general election campaign that that bleeding from the conservative party to reform uk has not necessarily stopped . has not necessarily stopped. >> and tell me about this whole nofion >> and tell me about this whole notion of none of the above. the amount of people that are just, quite frankly, either going to spoil a ballot or not even bother to vote at all. >> yeah. i mean, i think it's probably slightly overplayed. i

think there is a lot of apathy in uk politics in general, but i don't think that that necessarily is going to translate into lower or hugely lower turnout at this election. i think we're going to get, you know, a reasonable size turnout, similar to similar to previous. and yeah, i don't really think it's going to have have a huge impact. but, you know, those reform voters that were maybe not going to vote, i think nigel farage returning is the way more chance of turning out than they've ever had before. >> interesting stuff . thank you >> interesting stuff. thank you very much. >> chris hopkins. he is a political research director at savanta uk. i'll bring my panel in in a second about nigel farage returning. i can tell you you guys have been in touch with me, andy says farage to think he's some kind of right wing messiah, but he's not. he's just a very haughty boy. the ego has landed in clacton, he says. and yes, i did mean to write haughty and not naughty as in arrogantly superior and disdainful jul. ouch! get off that fence, connor says farage was a banker. man of the people. indeed susan says

brilliant news. go, nigel. you've made many people very happy. lee says i would sooner vote for farage than voting for any of the other two main parties. what do you make to it, mark? >> well, last, something interesting happens in the general election campaign , so general election campaign, so let's be grateful for that. i think it's not been the most exciting first week or two. i wonder if much has changed. i mean, prior to this announcement today, nigel farage was all over the airwaves campaigning for reform uk . he was on question reform uk. he was on question time last week on the bbc as the reform spokesman. he's now got a slightly different title . he'll slightly different title. he'll be called leader rather than honorary president, and he is contesting a seat. and i guess in that seat that improves reform uk's chances. but i don't think this changes an enormous amount overall . all farage seems amount overall. all farage seems to think that somehow his re—emergence as the official leader means suddenly reform will take light. it will catch fire. zoom past the conservatives. but chris hope

earlier was referencing that poll from your rival broadcaster at sky. okay, that was before the announcement, but still predicts reform will win zero seats. maybe they'll win one, maybe a couple. i reckon if you offered farage 3 or 4 now, he'd rip your arm off for it. >> oh well, you are downplaying the farage effect on reform uk. >> what do you make to it at home? luciana, what do you think? >> well, the outcome of this election is going to go one of two ways. there's only two results that we're going to have. we're either going to have rishi sunak as prime minister or if we look at every single poll that's come out today and i'm not in any way, shape or form to be complacent, but all the polls indicate today we are on course to see keir starmer under a changed labour party as the leader of this country. so in terms of what's happening with nigel farage today, it's very much, in my mind a sideshow. and the fact that he's announced that he's the leader, that he's going to be in post for five years. i mean, that wouldn't be allowed in the other main political parties. it doesn't seem very democratic. what wouldn't be allowed to say that

you're going to be in post for five years? he's announced that he's going to be in post as leader for at least five years. well, that's not how it works. certainly in the other main political parties, there's opportunities for members to have a vote and decide who they want as leader of the party. he's just announced himself not only as leader, but also as a candidate. you know, there's 599 other seats that will be contested at this election. so, yes, this might be interesting in terms of what might happen at clacton, but for the rest of the country, it's going to be a very different focus, and nigel farage basically said, he thinks that i'm not doing a direct quote, but i was listening as he was saying it, that essentially there's not much of a contest, and that keir starmer will be the next prime minister. did you do you agree with that sentiment? it's pretty much just a done deal. well again, i don't take anything for granted, and i don't think any party who just being modest like secretly do you think? yeah, i sincerely hope that we see what this country desperately needs, which is change. >> and keir starmer, as the prime minister of our country. but the election is still a number of weeks away . politics

number of weeks away. politics is not a science and anything can happen, but certainly if you look at all the polls, it's only widening in terms of the, the, the expected outcome that labour is very likely to win. if we look at everything that's come out today , i've got to just out today, i've got to just mention as well, because of course we are in an election period. so there are indeed other candidates that will be contesting that seat in clark . contesting that seat in clark. and they are as follows, giovanni oswalde, nepal from the labour party. giles watling from the conservative party, matthew bensalem from the lib dems, nigel farage from reform uk and natasha osbourne from the green party. all candidates there have been contacted and invited onto gb news. someone else i'll just tell, was responding to the nigel farage situation on. and that was norman baker. let's have a look what he had to say. >> quation martin, i think, is what impact this has beyond

clacton. i think it will push up the reform vote in the election, at the largely at the expense of the conservatives. so although i think reform are unlikely to win more than one seat, i.e. nigel's seat , i think more than one seat, i.e. nigel's seat, i think the impact could be to damage the conservatives quite significantly and give more, oomph , if you like, to more, oomph, if you like, to labour and lib dems like, there's a cross selection of views there. >> i shall leave it with you to have the final say at home. get in touch with me all the usual ways to let me know what you make to it all. after the break, i want to pick up on something important that happened at the weekend. a massive protest took place. it was the far right and the football hooligans who done it. see you in two.

hello, everybody. i'm michelle dewberry. this is dewbs & co with dewberry. this is dewbs& co with you till 7:00 tonight. i've got lots that i want to talk about

with you this evening. alongside me. my panel remains the director of the popular conservatives, mark littlewood and the former labour mp luciana berger. good evening. back to both of you , terry, says both of you, terry, says michelle, anyone who actively makes their way to a ballot box and spoils their ballot when they're at last, they're given they're at last, they're given the chance to make their change. if they usually if they tick the usual ones, he says , they usual ones, he says, they deserve to have their head examined. there you go. keep your thoughts coming in. are you going to turn out and vote at this next election? if not, please tell me why not? now there was something that really caught my eye, over the weekend. so it did, there was some protests that took place. it was led by a man that many of you will be familiar with, tommy robinson. it took place in london on saturday. i can't help but notice what this was actually described as by many of the media. let's just take a look here. soledar . i've never

look here. soledar. i've never seen so good. i was going to sing the next few lines because i actually love that song, but graham's got in touch and told me to pack it in singing. apparently i'm hurting isaiah's. you're a harsh man, graham. anyway, look, did you see the way the media reported this protest? take a look at this . protest? take a look at this. pipeline football hooligans been in town . this was all about the in town. this was all about the far right. but i mean, i'm showing you now the protest. and in a second, i'll show you these headlines. but look, to me, these are just normal people , these are just normal people, they are really raising concerns. let me get you these headunesins concerns. let me get you these headlines ins so you can just look at this here we go. look, tommy robinson supporters attend himars watch, tommy robinson leads hundreds of football

hoougans leads hundreds of football hooligans , in march. far right hooligans, in march. far right this and far right that . a this and far right that. a couple of things catch my eye there. well, first of all, if that was hundreds of people, well, i don't know if someone needs to go back to school and lend account, quite frankly. and this obsession with, calling people, smearing people far right and other things like football hooligans and this and that, what's going on? >> well, listen, michelle, that sweet caroline clip looked like an awful lot of football games i've been to, actually. i mean , i've been to, actually. i mean, england fans sing that waving union jacks and saint george crosses . i union jacks and saint george crosses. i rather union jacks and saint george crosses . i rather agree with the crosses. i rather agree with the inference of your question on that. it's too sloppy to use a pejorative descriptor, whether it's far right fascist , nazi or it's far right fascist, nazi or something similar to describe a particular group of people. i think tommy robinson, you could explain, is being on the far right. but the suggestion that everybody on this process disagree with that. maybe they disagree with that. maybe they disagree with that. i mean, he's certainly, i don't know, the nationalistic . certainly, i don't know, the nationalistic. right. but i wish we'd find better descriptors

right and left are term's from the french national assembly from 250 years ago. they're not very good ways of actually summing up politics. i don't know how often we describe, i don't know. jeremy corbyn has far left in the mainstream media. >> and by the way, one of the objectives of this process was to play like screen a film, basically. and it was all about what people would regard as two tier policing, it was all about potentially like the concerns that people would have about totalitarian states, the control that many people seem to want to have over us when it came to things like lockdown. and so on and so forth. i have to say, i confess i do not regard any of these concerns as far right. where are you on this? >> so i spent some time this afternoon looking very closely at what took place on saturday. first, in terms of how it was described , how it was promoted described, how it was promoted in advance, how it was promoted, who it was promoted to, and some of the things that took place dunng of the things that took place during that march. and it wasn't a few hundred, as you say, but it certainly wasn't anything

more than a few thousand in terms of the numbers of people that took place. and yes, you had a video, people singing, and it sounded very happy clappy. but i've also seen some of the banners of what people put up on that march. and i also saw and heard like what? well, they're not they're not for repeating in my mind, they there can't be anything so bad that we can't even repeat. i've got it written down here. i can assure you that it would break ofcom rules for me to repeat some of the chants that were said, and i'm very happy to say them to you in the advert, but i'm certainly not going to repeat them on air in terms of what people were chanting, which in my mind is not acceptable. >> all this is not was it the was it a minority of people doing what you're suggesting, or was it en masse? because i saw a lot of this too, and i really didn't see en masse people doing anything wrong. >> well, again, i reflected on what happened. you know, when i've looked at many different demonstrations. first and foremost, i respect the right of anyone to protest. that's that's anyone to protest. that's that's a democratic right in this country. and we should respect that and protect that. however, in terms of the message boards and the ways in which this was

promoted and who it was promoted to, again, i was looking at the people that spoke. so we had a speech from roger firth, who was from the english defence league. in my mind, that certainly is a far right party and i would describe tommy robinson as the far right, you know, and we often hear about groups of the left of labour being described as hard left or far left. so thatis as hard left or far left. so that is a distinction that i understand, and i think it epitomises certain elements of what i saw. what do you classed as far right then? anything to the right of the conservatives. >> so anything. so if someone wants to stop the small boats because let's face it, the tories might pretend that they do, but they clearly don't. if someone wants to control, i think all parties hold on. so if someone wants to control immigration because the tories, whilst you might say on paper, you do, no you don't. that's why we've got record net migration. so anyone that believes in controlling your borders, stopping small boats far right, that's you. >> that's one of labour's pledges to control migration. >> that's what we've heard about all i'm asking you what you regard as far right. and you've just said anyone to the right of a standard tory policy. >> so, i mean, you know, tommy robinson in my mind, is far

right. >> and that's why i'm asking you, what do you regard as far right. so like, for example, you've just said anyone that's to the right of a tory policy, so i am to the right of a tory policy because whatever you might. >> so a tyson farage. >> so a tyson farage. >> yeah. so would you. class nigel farage as far right. >> i think there's elements within that group of people that are far right. yeah. >> but farage is definitely to the right of the conservatives as is tice. but i don't think it would be fair to describe him as far right. i think they they take a mainstream position. you may disagree with it, but they're mainstream politicians. >> we can disagree with the semantics. i think certainly what we saw on the streets of london was not about community cohesion and bringing people together. it's certainly true about division, and in my mind that epitomises what was about division. and again, some of the banners that were shown, some of some of the things that were said on and if you're allowed to show the speeches, then please do so. your listeners can. well, i can appraise for themselves. >> i spent quite a lot of time because i knew i was going to discuss this topic. so not only did i watch some of the goings on at the protest, and by the

way, i just do want to say there was certainly a couple of banners there that i didn't agree with. and i also saw children, effing and jeffing in the streets. i really do approve of that either. actually sorry to be uptight about it, but i think it's quite poor parenting. if you're taking your kids on the streets and you're encouraging them to be swearing, that's really not cool in my mind. so i agree with you that there were things there that i certainly wouldn't condone, but this is what i find interesting. the majority of the people there were peaceful, what i would just call normal people who are absolutely sick to the back teeth of the direction of travel that this country has. they feel completely unrepresented by any mainstream politician. many of them, perhaps, i would say, probably won't even turn out and vote. and this lunacy and this obsession with calling people far right. by the way, i don't know if you saw what happened in germany by the way, everybody, i can show you a tweet, i think, from sky news in a second, about this one, because you had, someone there who had been protesting , you know, raising protesting, you know, raising concerns about what he would

regard as the islamic fication of europe whilst he was protesting about that, someone who you could reasonably assume to be an islamist came along and stabbed a number of people, including a police officer, who then died . what do people like then died. what do people like sky news do? everybody they talk about a police officer being stabbed during an attack at a far right rally, so they desperately keen to label one side as far right. they pay no attention whatsoever to the what seems like islamist fanatic who came along and stabbed multiple people live on air. a man who we now know, by the way, was an afghan migrant into germany. why is that not featured ? why does is that not featured? why does that not matter in that news headune? that not matter in that news headline? and those kind of stories? >> well, i think what happened in germany was absolutely abhorrent. and i hope that person is held to account and faces the full force of the law that i know that they will pursue in germany, that doesn't that doesn't that act in of itself, which is absolutely horrific, doesn't detract from the march itself , which

horrific, doesn't detract from the march itself, which did have elements of the far right in it in the two can be correct, i guess, or the other, i guess the argument here is what constitutes far right, because if you're someone who is sick to the back teeth of your children having agendas forced down them when they go to school, i.e. being oversexualized, if you're someone who does not consent to this uncontrolled immigration, then and the way it is changing local communities that indeed is not far right. >> if you're someone who does not buy into the fact that the climate is literally about to spontaneously combust by the end of this programme, that is not far right and nobody is standing up for those people. when people. >> you're right, i think you're right. >> they get called far out and it's pathetic. >> there was lots of different people that attended that demonstration. you're right. there were people that were talking about conspiracy theories around coronavirus, for example , those people with lots example, those people with lots of different causes that came together. but like , i come back together. but like, i come back together. but like, i come back to my point about how this march or this demonstration was promoted and the different sites and message boards and whatsapp groups in which the details of it were promoted and sent out.

and those things that mean what does that mean? >> so now you've got an issue with where someone advertised the march. >> i'm saying in terms of the types of people that were that were in proactively invited to attend, i'm not saying everyone is of that group and certainly, as we know, there was lots of different issues. >> but hang on, hang on, luciano. i mean, things like stop the war demos, socialist workers party will be heavily involved in that. you'll almost see on any demo, even moderately to the left. huge banners from the socialist workers party. but we wouldn't call a demo like that or a demo about public sector pay. far left just because it had been promoted within the socialist workers party network. would we? even though they're far to the left of the labour party? michelle, i think on this, i don't like the labelling. i think we should report it in a vanilla way. i'm worried . i mean, luciano may worried. i mean, luciano may have done you a favour vis a vis ofcom, but i'm worried we can't repeat what was said. i think on national television. we should look into that. i found one chant which is definitely offensive, i think you might

say, but i'm not really worried about people being offended. and too often i think we take the view that if you're offended, we can't repeat it. i'm obviously if there's incitement to violence or support for a terrorist group or some such, like you've crossed a line. but i think we need to be much more relaxed about people saying things left or right, which might even be a bit wacky, might be a bit offensive. >> i think. i think it's worth kind of sharing, kind of where my perspective comes from, because i've had personal experience of people who are very clearly on the far right, including from groups that are now proscribed in this country. >> so groups like national action, an organisation that's been banned by the uk government, i have seen four people convicted of the death threats and antisemitism, the anti—jewish hatred that they have directed towards me that come from organisations that themselves say are from the far right, that are included in ianed right, that are included in invited to these marches, not just from national action people who anyone was invited. >> it's an open it's an open invite for anyone who is concerned about some of the issues that we've been discussing. it was an open invitation to anyone. when you get any group of large people,

any large group of people together, you will always get unsavoury characters, always have. >> at the front, he was at the front, he was at the front of the march. >> the organisers of the march, tommy robinson. >> i mean, in my mind he's very clearly on the far right. >> you will say he's on the far right. i can tell you now that many people will disagree. many people will say that what he is somebody who has the balls to speak out and raise concerns about what many people are experiencing. i've just given you that example of sky news, someone who you could very easily assume is an islamist fanatic comes along and kills a police officer. all the media wants to do is call the rally far right. it is a disgrace . far right. it is a disgrace. yes, ladies and gents. and by the way, i'm going to show you in a second the nazi chants at that. >> in a second i'm going to show you how these far right and hoougans you how these far right and hooligans left the space. >> i've got a tweet actually, just to show you the condition that they left at parliament square in. but your final point, i was going to make the point that in germany again, the two things can be true. >> there were there were nazi

chants that were made on that on that march, nazi chants. >> i mean, what is a nazi chant these days? i mean, because it was a counter—protest to this one, by the way, counter protest saying things like nazi scum off our streets. first and foremost, someone disagreeing with you doesn't make you a nazi. and secondly, who are you to determine who can and who cannot be on the public streets of britain? that to me sounds a little bit like fascism. and i thought those people actually rejected that. your thoughts? i'll see in

hello, everybody. i'm michelle jul brit school, 7:00. director of the popular conservatives. mark littlewood remains alongside me, as does the former labour mp luciana berger. alongside me, as does the former labour mp luciana berger . before labour mp luciana berger. before the break, i was just showing to you the condition of the, parliament square. after the far right and the football hooligans have left it . look at that. it's have left it. look at that. it's spotless. everybody. luciano just asked me in the break. well, how do you know that

someone didn't come along and tidy up afterwards because it was still ongoing. people respected their place. and by the way, there was barely, i think there was only something like two also stewards there. >> yeah, but they're not litter picker uppers, are they? well, they normally are when they're around parliament square. >> see, i think that you're just desperate to not. >> i'm just saying i'm not saying either way, but we don't know for sure. >> i know, but you see, i would just look at that on the face of the evidence. >> the show there tidy. okay. we can say that. >> really interesting. there's a nice tidy, area that's been left nice tidy, area that's been left nice and tidy. and instead of people going, well, actually these people were respectful. it's how do you know someone didn't come and tidy up? how do you know that someone's not? why can't we just accept that actually these people didn't behave badly either way. >> i'm just. i'm just saying. we just don't know. for sure. >> and by the way, you should have seen the amount of arrests that happened at the counter protest. it was those guys that ended up causing the disruption, i can tell you that for free. anyway, keep your thoughts coming in. there's been a tory policy announced today every day it seems these days. anyway,

let's play. >> so the equalities act was passed over a decade ago, and what's clear today is that there's a lack of clarity in the law, and that's risking the safety of women and girls. so we've announced the bold action that we would change the law, change the equalities act so that sex means biological sex. and what that will do will mean that providers of single sex services and single—sex spaces will be able to protect women and girls and ensure their safety and security. >> oh, i feel so strongly about this one. but i'm going to shut up and let mark speak your thoughts. >> common sense, isn't it? i mean, i find it remarkable that politicians even need to be saying this or it's a policy announcement by rishi sunak, who i completely agree with, but whatever. next, a leading politician saying that we, you know, we agree with the law of gravity, for example . i mean, gravity, for example. i mean, clearly sex is biological, at least as it pertains to these sort of things such as, you know, changing rooms and communal lavatories and the right i do wish that rishi and the government had actually taken the action to put this in place prior to the election. we have been, you know, the

conservatives have been in office for some 14 years, could have done something about it, but bang on the money. absolutely ridiculous that some bloke who purports to identify as a woman can access women's changing rooms, women's bathrooms and the rest of it. so full marks to rishi sunak. but a bit sad that we're even having to have this discussion. >> luciana well, i agree with mark that it's sad that we're having to have this conversation. and the prime minister, rishi sunak, said it himself when he said, you know, we've had the equality act for over ten years. if there is any confusion, which actually there are protections within the equality act for single—sex spaces. but if there is anything that needed clarifying, they've had 14 years to do it. so i totally accept the premise. i do think we should be having this debate and having these discussions thinking more about kind of like the kind of concepts of dignity and respect which are kind of absent from the conversation today. but separate to that, you know, i totally accept the what do you mean dignity and respect? >> what's what's disrespectful about saying that biological sex is real?

>> and i support the notion of having, having, ensuring spaces for, for, for biological women. >> but do you think it's disrespectful to say that a biological man cannot become a biological man cannot become a biological woman ? biological woman? >> i'm sorry. say that again. >> i'm sorry. say that again. >> do you think it's disrespectful to say a biological man cannot become a biological man cannot become a biological woman? >> well, people go through gender reassignment. >> that's not what i asked. i said, do you think it's disrespectful to say a biological man cannot become a biological man cannot become a biological woman? no. good what do you think? do it at home. because i think it's absolutely absurd. the very fact that we're having conversations about biological sex and it is absurd. >> it is absurd because, you know. >> but does the labour party think anything needs to be clarified? i mean, you might you might criticise the conservatives for not having done it. >> does the labour party think that it's cool? >> for much clearer clarification, labour's call for common sense, non—biological women cannot access these places. should be should be absolutely clear. black and white. no. no discussion about being very clear that to say that we should have common sense

guidance on this issue and that we should protect because schools have schools have really struggled with this, i think because the guidance has been unclear. >> and why haven't the government, you know, what they've done is really promote this, this, this kind of war, this, this, this kind of war, this culture war discussion, rather than actually do something about it. if the guidance isn't clear, then issue clear guidance. they've had 14 years to do so. and on the same day the tories are talking about this and talking about toilets. you know, we've got a labour where i disagree with you, luciana is i don't think this this isn't this isn't confected though, is it? >> everybody says they're whipping up a culture war. we had this issue in scotland with with biological men going into women's prisons. it's a real thing. >> and that's why we learn from the scottish experience, and that's why we issue guidance, which is common sense and why we the law really not just guidance. well, if there was anything that needed clarifying, then we've had 14 years under this conservative government to do it. what they've done is talk about it, talk about it, talk about it, talk about it, talk about it. >> let's hope labour and tory are on another article today from kemi badenoch talking about it. >> but where's the you know, if there was something that needed clarifying, why haven't they done so already. >> so both parties agree.

>> so both parties agree. >> well there you go. i can tell you now very quickly, that the shadow defence secretary, john helen, he said we will not want to amend the act. it's not needed.the to amend the act. it's not needed. the act, incidentally, was a labour act in 2010 that was a labour act in 2010 that was opposed by the tories, but it already provides protections for single—sex spaces for biological women. the government has for 14 had 14 years to do this. and long story short, it hasn't. and they think is a distraction from the election campaign and the issues that other people basically want to focus on, quite frankly, furious with everybody on this. i don't even understand how we've got to the point where you can even people will look at you seriously and tell you that a man can become a woman, and that when you see someone who is clearly a man, you have to pretend that they are a woman, or else i'm livid about it, let's breathe. after the break. do you think we should ban arms sales to tell me and see you in two.

hello there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight. my panel remains. helen has just been in touch on the website saying. michelle, stop talking about the far right and the football hooligans . i hope the football hooligans. i hope you are making tongue in cheek comments. it was peaceful. people of all different faiths and colours and a rubbish free site when we're. yes helen, keep up. i was of course talking tongue in cheek. look, sir keir starmer, he is facing fresh pressure to ban uk arms sales to israel. another open letter has been written. let's cut to the chase, luciano. what do you think? >> well, i think the focus in terms of what should you know, the role that the uk should be playing at the moment is to be doing everything possible to end the war, free the hostages, alleviate the humanitarian crisis and do everything to actually achieve a real long term political solution. i note that the letter, it doesn't have that the letter, it doesn't have that focus . obviously, keir that focus. obviously, keir starmer is not the prime minister. rishi sunak is the prime minister, but certainly what the government can and should be doing and what they've been asked to do is to publish the advice that they've had.

both the legal advice and the policy advice or even a summary of that. and we haven't yet had that. i can draw from my experience when i was in parliament and i sat for a short penod parliament and i sat for a short period on the committee on arms export control, we have a very, kind of very , very rigid process kind of very, very rigid process in this in this country where every application for every arms export goes through a process that's led by the business department. it's very robust. and certainly it's a it's a law that we've had since 2002 and 2008. so that process has gone through. but certainly if there's any concerns, then the government should bring forward the advice. >> i'm not so sure about this. i can remember way back in the day there was a lot of pressure. of course, on the labour government to publish the legal advice about whether it was legal to go to war in iraq. i think it's a bit difficult if governments have to keep publishing the legal advice they've received, because oftentimes these are political decisions made on the bafis political decisions made on the basis of legal advice. the legal advice is supposed to advise politicians not to be the last word. look, michelle, i think

it's incredibly complicated. and i don't mean to besmirch the intentions of the celebrities who've signed this letter . intentions of the celebrities who've signed this letter. i'm not an expert on the arms industry by any manner or means, but i'm not really sure that the 100 people have signed this letter. are experts either. i do think israel has not only the right to defend itself, the right to defend itself, the right to defend itself, the right to basically take out hamas, we responded in the west very similarly to al—qaeda. back in the day, we decided that we actually had to take out al—qaeda. you try and minimise civilian casualties while you're doing it. but and that should be a big focus of short term action as well. how can we make sure civilians in the area are protected, moved ? preferably. protected, moved? preferably. but i don't think unilateral decision by the united kingdom would achieve anything, actually. i mean , supposing we actually. i mean, supposing we passed arms or even , you know, passed arms or even, you know, machinery that could be used for arms to the united states that are then used in arms that are sent to israel, there needs to be, i think, a united western front on this issue . probably

front on this issue. probably don't disagree too much with luciana about what the long term objective should be around political stability in the short term, we need to minimise civilian casualties, but allow israel to defend itself properly. >> did you also see the scenes in manchester today as well? there was a multiple banks. they had all their windows smashed in. they were absolutely daubed with red paint. i mean really, really i mean i get it, there's huge passions and very different opinions on this topic. but i mean, come on now, don't give you carte blanche to go around smashing up, places that you don't like. >> that's vandalism. >> that's vandalism. >> i mean, yeah, spot on. see, luciana says it's vandalism . i luciana says it's vandalism. i can tell you now that many people have very divided opinions tonight, me personally, though, i'm off for a lie down. thank you very much to my panel this evening. thank you for your company. but up next is the 2024 with camilla tominey night. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb

news. >> hello again. very good evening to you . here's your evening to you. here's your latest gb news weather update brought to you by the met office. whilst it is going to stay dry for many of us as we go through the rest of today, we can expect some wet weather pushing its way in as we go into tomorrow. that's an association with a feature currently out in the atlantic, and it's heading its way towards the uk. for the time being though, we are going to have a lot of dry weather as we go through the rest of this evening and overnight. some places will see some clear skies developing, but many areas sticking with largely cloudy skies and then rain pushing its way in initially across parts of northern ireland but reaching far western parts of scotland, england and wales later on. because of the largely cloudy skies, temperatures not dropping a huge amount, but some places under the clear skies could just about drop into single figures. if we take a closer look at what will be happening first thing tomorrow morning and it's a generally fine picture across many southern southeastern parts . yes, a bit of cloud across east anglia, but on the whole a dry story here. different picture further north and west

though. rain across northern ireland, northwest england, parts of wales and also a large chunk of scotland as well, waking up to a pretty wet start as that wet weather pushes its way in eastern scotland, maybe clinging on to some fine weather for a little bit longer. but across far northern parts of scotland here there will be some hefty showers around and some of these could turn pretty heavy, possibly even thundery as we go through the day. the rain is gradually going to make its way south eastwards, but southeastern parts of the country likely to stay pretty dry by the time the system arrives here, it will have broken up so much that i'm only expecting 1 or 2 spots of rain, if anything, and in the southeast, temperatures still on the warm side, highs of around 2223 celsius, but something markedly fresher towards the northwest behind the front. as we look into wednesday, it is going to be a showery day, particularly towards the north and west. that's where the showers are coming from. some of them could be heavy, possibly even thundery , maybe even even thundery, maybe even a little bit of snow over the highest ground of scotland. but further south it's looking drier and brighter. a similar picture on thursday, but i think by

friday the showers are going to be a bit more widespread. >> by by looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sperm answers of weather

gb news. way. >> good evening and welcome to vote 2024 with me. camilla tominey. they say a week is a long time in politics. i think we can all agree that an afternoon is a long time in politics. in this election campaign. as you would expect, following his big announcement that he is to become the reform leader and indeed to run for election in clacton, we will be speaking to nigel farage on the show. we're also going to be speaking to our reporter , adam speaking to our reporter, adam cherry, who is in clacton, the constituency. nigel farage is hoping to win and he'll be giving us the view from the local people there and also the other candidates that he'll be

standing against. the