equalities act to represent the equalities act to represent and better reflect biological sex and we're going to be discussing keir starmer's announcement about the labour party on defence. he says he's willing to press the nuclear button. will the electorate believe him.7 we'll button. will the electorate believe him? we'll be discussing all of that. on what promises to be quite the hour of political chat. but first of all, here's the news with polly middlehurst. >> camilla, thanks very much indeed. let's start this bulletin with some breaking news that's come to us in the last half hour from the us state department in washington. it has said it's now completely confident that israel will agree on a ceasefire deal. the us president , joe biden's proposal president, joe biden's proposal would end the fighting between the two sides and return israeli hostages , beginning with a six hostages, beginning with a six week ceasefire and in addition to that, we've also learned in the last half hour from the

israeli military that four more hostages taken by hamas , the hostages taken by hamas, the proscribed terrorist organisation in gaza , are dead organisation in gaza, are dead and the circumstances are now being investigated . and we'll being investigated. and we'll try and get you more detail on that. of course, as we get it. now, the other main news today is, of course, that nigel farage has said that he will stand as reform uk parliamentary candidate for clacton in essex in the general election in july. he was speaking at a news conference in london this afternoon to confirm his change of heart. mr farage also announcing he'll take over as leader of reform uk . take listen. >> so i am going to stand in this election. i'll be launching my candidacy at midday tomorrow in the essex seaside town of clacton. so midday tomorrow, clacton. so midday tomorrow, clacton at the end of the pier and i camilla tominey talking to nigel farage after this news bulletin . bulletin. >> now rishi sunak has denied he's stoking a culture war with his pledge to amend the equality

act. the prime minister wants to make clear sex means biological sex rather than gender, and says the current confusion over the legal definition cannot be allowed to continue. the proposals would allow organisations to bar men who identify as women from single—sex spaces, including hospital wards and sports events. labour has labelled the policy an election distraction, the lib dems saying there's no need to unpick the act, and first minister of scotland and the leader of the snp, john swinney, has said the conservatives plans to change the act are a deliberate attempt to undermine the scottish parliament. sir keir starmer said today that labour is totally committed to the security of the nation, and he said to the uk's nuclear deterrent. he described the trident programme as a fundamental, vital part of our defence. labour is pledging to build four new nuclear submarines and increase defence spending to 2.5% of gdp. when, he says economic conditions are

right, the conservatives are saying they'll meet that target by 2030. but sir keir dismissed concerns that his shadow foreign secretary and deputy party leader voted against the uk having a nuclear weapon, just eight years ago. he's criticised instead the tories for what he called politicising the issue. and lastly, the liberal democrats are vowing to tackle water pollution as part of their election manifesto . they've election manifesto. they've announced plans for a new protected blue flag status for rivers with legally binding targets to prevent sewage dumping and special protection for swimmers and wildlife. it would include the expansion of marine protected areas to cover at least 50% of the uk's territorial waters by 2030. that's the for news the latest stories, do sign up for gb news alerts. scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts.

>> thanks, polly, and welcome back. now, before we speak to nigel farage about his big announcement , we're nigel farage about his big announcement, we're going to just have a look at the reaction from the opposition. so before he made that announcement this afternoon, rishi sunak was asked about nigel farage potentially standing at the end of the day on july 5th, one of two people will be prime minister, either keir starmer or me. >> a vote for anyone who's not a conservative candidate is just a vote to put keir starmer in number 10. so if you're someone who cares about tackling migration, both the boats and legal migration , if you're legal migration, if you're someone who wants a more proportionate, pragmatic approach to net zero, that saves people money. and if you want, if you're someone who wants lower taxes, it's only the conservatives that are going to offer all those things. and that's the choice at this election. lower taxes with the conservatives, a plan to stop the boats legal migration coming down, and a sensible way to get to net zero that saves people money. that's what we offer. keir starmer doesn't believe in

any of those things, and that's the choice that people should consider now. >> meanwhile, labour appear to be unfazed by the news. they have said that their message to voters remains unchanged . and voters remains unchanged. and here is what nick thomas—symonds, the shadow minister without portfolio, had to say to gb news earlier. >> our message to voters is unchanged. it's the message i've been delivering on the doorsteps today, in recent days, recent weeks and months. and that is that if you want genuine change, real change away from the chaos of the conservatives and their failure over the last 14 years, the only way to do that is to vote labour. it is a choice at this election between a change labour party under keir starmer and five more years of chaos, instability and failure under the conservatives >> well, nigel farage, the newfound leader of reform and parliamentary candidate for clacton, joins me now in the

studio. good to see you. busy day for you. i'm sure. look, i've had a lot of, reform briefings in this afternoon as we've covered this story for the telegraph, saying this was always the plan, this was always the plan. he changed it at the last minute, but now he's reverted back to plan a, so if it was always the plan, why have you prevaricated and mucked about with this? >> because the election was called early. you know, i'd plan to do this. the election was called early. i was pretty, i have to say, i sort of had my legs kicked out from under me on it. i thought it was impossible. literally impossible, to find a parliamentary seat from scratch and campaign all around the country. so i said, you know what? i'll campaign around the country. and i spent last week going. i was busy, you know, press conferences in dover. the delights of bbc's question time with piers morgan. i mean, what a thrill, then i was out on the streets for the last few days and two things happened. one, i began to see a new phenomenon out there. there is a hunger to be the first time you've seen that, though. >> i mean, something significant must have changed.

>> very significant. yes. i've never seen new data. i've. no, we haven't got any data. i've got zero data. >> i just can't understand how you've gone from. i've been doing. i haven't had time for this. i can't do this in the time frame. we haven't got the data or the funding to actually know i'm doing it now. >> there is a buzz out there. there is something happening, particularly among young people, that i found very interesting. but the thing that really got me was the number of people saying, but why not standing? and they look at you and you give a response once and they look at you as if to say, you've let me down. i began to feel guilty about it, and that people's army that i'd built up in the ukip days, the referendum days, millions of people who've been with me for a long, long time were feeling that i was letting them down. and that feeling of guilt made me think, you know what? i can't just leave them on their own. >> how much of an influence has trump's conviction last week had on your decision making? so what, are you just dumping the whole america project now? no. what are you going to do then? how are you going to. because you said you didn't have time to campaign nationally and locally.

no. now you're saying you've got time to be leader, i said, and a candidate for clacton and campaign for trump in some way. >> well, you didn't read the thing i put out. i said i would do my bit in the general election campaign and then spend more time in america. clearly >> well, how does that help the constituents of clacton? >> well, clearly, if i'm elected for clacton, i will not be able to spend the amount of time in america that i previously were, but i still will. so it's all. it's all about proportion. >> isn't it? that you have figured in the absence of boris johnson, you've taken soundings over the weekend, you've enjoyed being among the public. i've seen some of your socials. i always do, having selfies taken and all that, that you actually now see yourself as britain's trump, that you can position yourself as being extremely prominent. >> i never thought of that. i'd never thought of that in my life. really. and you know why? some things crossed the atlantic, others don't. >> okay, so it's now going to be beholden on you to put some substance behind your soundbites. so let's just talk about the policy that you said was the most important for reform of this election. and that's immigration. richard tice, the former leader of reform now , has said that he

reform now, has said that he thinks we should have net zero immigration. how in earth is that going to work in practice? >> you know , you're right. >> you know, you're right. richard said that. but at least he's not lying . i just saw he's not lying. i just saw a clip on the news of rishi sunak that confirmed what i'd done today was right. if you want lower taxes, vote conservative. really? you want lower immigration, vote conservative. really? you want to stop the boats? vote conservative? really? all they're doing is lying to the public. >> i know, but you need to answer my straight questions with straight answers. we have to get because you get annoyed yourself. politicians. >> we have to get net zero immigration. >> that is just that's just a pipe >> that is just that's just a pipe dream, isn't it? it's just why it's ludicrous. because you an i know because you're an intelligent man that you can't have net zero immigration. because unfortunately, we do need, as far as you're concerned, migrant workers. how many people, how many people left the uk last year? you tell me. >> 600,000. right. so you could actually have net zero migration on current numbers, including in health care and in social care. well, if i tell you something,

if we need more than 600,000 people a year, we're doomed. doomed we're finished. there will be no public services, nothing will be left. but are you? the fabric of society will be gone. >> you're serious that that the health care and social care sector could cope with net zero immigration? could they? how would you get to fill the vacancies? >> could they cope with 600,000 migrants? >> could you answer my question? >> could you answer my question? >> 600,000 people a year would still come in under current numbers on net zero migration. so a lot of people, you know, so a lot of people we've had this we've had this addiction to cheap foreign labour, unskilled laboun cheap foreign labour, unskilled labour. and the bigger the company , the more reliant on it company, the more reliant on it they are. okay, very briefly it doesn't work for anybody. >> you're expecting the poll numbers to shift. do you expect to overtake the tories and if so, by when i or obviously we can't tell. >> but i think two things will happen. i think one, the conservatives will realise even without me they were doomed. it was interesting. there was a big

mrp poll on sky news out at 5:00. put him the tories. yeah way down so everyone knows. >> can you beat the tories and everyone . and when will you do that. >> by so everyone knows that the election is over in terms of who wins. but i think what will happen this is my guess, is that from here we will take equally from here we will take equally from the conservatives, from labour and also from voters. >> and when will he beat them by? >> well, i have no idea. >> well, i have no idea. >> have you well, have you got an ambition to beat them? that's different. do i have an ambition? so how would when would you hope to have. i would hope on reforms, polling so that you overtake the. >> i would hope within a week we're going to be equal with the conservatives and maybe a hat. >> okay. >> okay. >> all right. and i think that's possible. okay and it's possible because. and it won't just be tories switching. it will be labour too. all right. >> we need to move on. but thank you very much, nigel farage, for joining me this evening on vote 2024, obviously we've changed the name of the show because nigel will not be able to continue with his gb news show in light of recent events. i

think it's fair to say that now, let's speak to adam cherry. now he's gb news reporter, and he's beenin he's gb news reporter, and he's been in clacton all day to gauge reaction to this news. adam >> yeah. good evening. camilla i'm standing in front of the clacton pier where nigel will launch his campaign tomorrow . as launch his campaign tomorrow. as you say, i've been trying to get a feel for what the local people think . and i would say the think. and i would say the overwhelming impression is one of disillusionment with politics in general. i think the first thing to say in terms of the other candidates here is that giles watling is giles watling is the conservative candidate and he won here in 2019 on 70% of the vote. they had an enormous majority in 2019 and he won pretty comfortably in 2017 as well. however, the spanner in the works here is what happened before that. so in 2015, in the general election and in 2014, there was a by—election here that was won by douglas carswell, who was the one and only ukip mp. he won here very comfortably in both of those contests and in the 2016

referendum, this place voted 70% for leave and you can feel it when you're here as you talk to people that the promises are over brexit and particularly over brexit and particularly over the 2019 conservative manifesto, there's a feeling that that those weren't delivered on. so giles watling has said today already that he's happy to show nigel around the constituency. but he won't sacrifice his constituency on the altar of nigel. vanity of nigel farage's vanity, so he knows he's got a serious fight on his hands. here there's also the labour candidate who is, jovan owusu, nepal. he is a local trade unionist, a young trade unionist and he was selected about a month ago. he says his main campaign priorities are on social housing and social justice. now labour would have this. this probably would have this. this probably would not have been natural terrain for labour in this election, but they would have hoped to chip away at that enormous conservative majority.

had this announcement not come through. but it's certainly true, in my experience talking to people here today that giles watling will have a serious fight on his hands. >> all right. adam cherry, thank you very much indeed for bringing us that update from clacton, where all of the action is happening this evening. now, as i've said, nigel farage will stand for reform uk in clacton. but here's a list of the people who have declared their candidacy in the constituency so far as adam's mentioned there, jovan awusi nepal will be standing for the labour party. natasha osbourne will be standing for the greens. giles watling is the conservative party candidate. matthew bensalem is the liberal democrat candidate and as i said, nigel farage is there for reform uk. just to say we did invite all of the other candidates onto this show this evening, but none of them, got back to us in terms of appearing . but we will, of appearing. but we will, of course, continue to invite all of the candidates of that constituency onto gb news as the election campaign continues. don't forget that we publish all

of the candidates lists when we refer to them on the gb news website. once it's finalised . website. once it's finalised. well, coming up next, i'm going to be speaking to gb news political editor, chris hope about everything that's been going on on the campaign trail today. and we're also going to have look at the latest polling, which looks admittedly absolutely dire for the

welcome back to vote 2024 with me. camilla tominey. loving that new graphic. can you imagine how quickly things have had to change at gp news in the last few hours? so we praise the people in charge of graphics producers, managers and everyone else. now joining me now is christopher hope, gb news political reporter editor. yes. oh come on, don't demote me already. sorry they've been so busy doing the graphics that they've demoted you and pollster matt goodwin. lovely to see you, professor. thank you very much. thank you very much. >> let's get the titles. right, gents. >> we'll get into this in pretty sharpish, frankly, because it's

been quite the afternoon initial reactions to this decision, chris, first of all, just wow, i've i've, i can trace back all happening. >> he made an offer on harry cole's sun tv programme, saying, what's the offer from the tory party the following day ? that's party the following day? that's thursday, he said no, it was banter. it wasn't banter. listen back, he's saying what he got from me. nothing happened. friday happens . friday happens. >> no deal, no deal. >> no deal, no deal. >> he campaigned in ashfield. he went to the ship inn in wandsworth. i know he got mobbed by people. and this young , young by people. and this young, young man, young people, young families wanting selfies. sunday, he says he wants to hollow out the tory party. monday, he declares there's a clear line of thinking happening there. and he's been saying repeatedly on air, i really regret not standing. >> yeah, he realised he made a cataclysmic error because, as i put to him in a previous interview, matt, he i basically said this is a contradiction because on one hand you're saying britain's going to hell in a handcart and then you're saying, but actually i'm not going to help out, i'm going to going to help out, i'm going to go to america. and i felt he squandered his sort of man of the people credentials by saying, well, no, i'm going to

become man of trump. >> i think that initial statement was was phrased very poorly, but i don't think this is about the events of the last week. >> this is about the events of the last ten years. and what we've seen today is the beginning of a battle for the future of british conservatism. it is a battle, in a way, for the future of the british right and this has been coming not just since rishi sunak announced the election. let me let me tell you, this has been coming since the rise of the uk independence party, since the vote for brexit, since the brexit party, since the start of reform, over and over again, millions of voters have been saying, i want lower immigration, i want secure borders, i want an economy that puts british people ahead of everybody else. and the tories, to be blunt, over the last 14 years haven't given people what they promised . and what they they promised. and what they have done is they've created today, they've created nigel farage announcing he's now going to go hell for leather to replace the conservative party. >> look, i felt that this afternoon was very reminiscent of the brexit campaign. i feel that he's trying to make a direct appeal, particularly to the red wall. this was about

cross generational, cross ideological cross class actually saying if you agree with me that britain is broken, then come with me and i'll give you back your country. okay, now that's all well and good. but chris, where does rishi sunak pivot to as a result of this? okay, there will be no there'll be plenty of people who are like, no, i don't i don't like nigel farage. i'm a righty. but no reform. and nigel farage appal me. it's all about dog whistle politics. he's blaming everything on immigration and immigrants, so i don't like him . they may then don't like him. they may then fall into line with sunak as moderate, right? he can't outright nigel farron. >> have you seen the blue planet with david attenborough? go on. >> you know when they have these bait balls in the sea and then they get attacked from tuna and it ends up by a sort of a husk and a bit of a bit of a, a fish eye. and that's about all that's left. that is a tory party right now. they're being attacked from left and right, from, from obviously the main opposition

problem, which is keir starmers labour party, but also the reform party is getting its teeth stuck in. and i'm not sure mr sunak knows what he's doing or where to go. and this is entirely of his own making. you have to. it's not as though he's forced into an election. he wasn't meant to have this until until november. >> this is all on the basis that you can only win an election from the right, and not from the centre. >> you know, the cameron osborne argument is you don't need to go full farage. you've got to be broad church because you've got to unite two different constituencies . these tories constituencies. these tories that love nigel farage and tories that hated . tories that hated. >> yeah, but i think we need to stop talking as though we're still in the 2000 and the 2010s. we're in a new politics. we are approaching what many people can feel without being too dramatic, but they can feel this is almost a civilizational moment in the sense that they don't quite understand what it is that makes we in britain a we anymore. they're being bombarded by mass migration . the borders are out migration. the borders are out of control. we've got sectarianism that we saw in the local elections. we have debates

about radical islam and its compatibility with british society, which no mainstream politician wants to have. we've got young gen z zoomers who cannot get on the housing ladden cannot get on the housing ladder. we've got a debate in this election which is saying nothing about what's our long term growth strategy. how are we reviving productivity? i don't personally think nigel farage has the answers to all of those questions, but he is at least asking those questions. and that is why he's going to cause enormous damage. the one thing i'd add to chris's point, which was great, there's another thing attacking the tories apathy . we attacking the tories apathy. we remember 97. many conservatives. they didn't defect. they just stayed at home. >> all right, well, let's just move away from the big bombshell announcement and just talk generally about the campaigning picture so far. yes, this mrp poll suggesting that labour will win 422 seats, that's 194 more than blair in 1997. yes. and the tories will be reduced to 140 seats. worse, the worst result

for them since 1906. in fact . in for them since 1906. in fact. in fact, i think even worse than 1906. yeah. >> lib dems on 48. >> lib dems on 48. >> that's a uptick of around. well trebling their. >> should we believe these numbers reform zero. >> yes. >> yes. >> now that might change with okay with farage farage claiming he's going to beat this. >> you know sort of apocalypse for the 60,000 people that they've surveyed here. >> it's not even the 10,000in which we featured on friday night on gb news. this is 60,000 people. so it's a big number. >> i just you're a pollster. >> i just you're a pollster. >> can i just briefly say about the mrp, we are either heading towards the political equivalent of the titanic, the conservatives being essentially blown off the map . some of the blown off the map. some of the viewers will remember 1997, when anthony king, he looked at the numbers coming in and he said, this is like an asteroid hitting planet earth and destroying everything on it. that was a new labour landslide. that's what the conservative party is facing. it's either that camilla or the polling industry is about to experience the biggest error in its entire history , and it

in its entire history, and it might as well pack up, shop and go home. >> so it's going to be one of the 292. >> it's going to be it's going to be one of the two. now we've had the by elections. remember, the by elections have shown us that these labour swings are real and they're historic. so maybe just maybe, we are actually going to see something truly historic here. >> well, on labour swings, i mean, i find it astonishing and he gave his big talk today about defence. we're going to be covering this a little bit later on that actually, labour are now only two points behind the conservatives when it comes to defence and security. it's like they're trusted more with the economy. the trusted more with defence and security, the trusted more with keeping taxes down. >> with brexit, the world started turning in the opposite direction. they just trusted more , i think just just trusted more. >> i mean, i think people have turned off all the messaging coming out from the tory party. that's a problem. everything he's tried since he became leader hasn't worked. essentially what happened is clever clogs. mps felt they'd given up with boris johnson and tried to replace him with two. two people who didn't didn't work out. >> but chris, the one thing i

would come back to is it's not that labour are leading in the polls against the conservatives. yes they are, but if you look at the detail in the polling, as we've done, we've had gb news polling this week on often the person who's ahead is actually none of them, none of the above. and this this takes us back to nigel farage because on immigration, on brexit, on the economy. it's not that people are saying keir starmer and labour have the answers. they often say none of them have. >> the answers aren't great ehhen >> the answers aren't great either. your questions on net zero. he didn't like that at all. i mean, he said he's had a big weekend of nights of the soul. >> nigel farage did not have an answer for you at all. he's a great campaigner. >> we're now going to find out if he's actually got something he wasn't. add to these, these this rhetoric is all well and good. >> wasn't ready for the detailed questions. >> i mean, let's give the guy maybe a slight break that he's only he's worked out what he's doing. >> he's got to work out. he had no answers there. and that's his problem that out. >> and if he's quickly matt just quickly your own polling some interesting findings, not just on politics actually just tell us about that d—day finding. >> i mean, this is this is

remarkable. this is remarkable. >> it did actually come up in the speech today that we saw with with nigel farage. he referenced an earlier poll, but we found much the same today. not even half of the country can actually say what d—day refers to, there's a real ignorance out there in the country about what d—day is all about. and i think , d—day is all about. and i think, you know, i don't want to make this. i don't want to make this political. we're not the we're not the first people to find it. yougov found it as well. the one thing i would say is this is going to press that button out there in the country, that button of concern about actually what are we teaching kids, how how aware of our national history are we and actually we talk a lot about what's wrong with britain. we talk a lot about what's wrong with british empire and the history and the legacy of our country. but do we actually teach kids enough about what we got right, about what we did right? and i think that's where this polling comes into play. >> matt. chris, brilliant analysis from you two. thank you very much. and don't worry, because if you watch gb news, you can find out about d—day because we're going to be covering it on this show a little later. we're also going to be covering the idea that

labour surprised to fries, might want to closer alignment with

welcome back to vote 2024 with me. camilla tominey. lovely to have your company this evening. now, the tories today have proposed a trans ban in single—sex spaces. this is what kemi badenoch , the women in kemi badenoch, the women in equalities minister, told gb news about the policy earlier. >> problem we're solving is for many organisations like rape crisis centres , prisons, for crisis centres, prisons, for instance, where people may identify as a woman even though they're biologically male and they're biologically male and they don't know what to do. and we are clarifying what, public authorities need to do. what perhaps individual private institutions, rights are a lot of them are worried about being sued, even when they're doing the right thing. so this is a tidy up of law. so that we can

create a better for space, this conversation . conversation. >> and here's what the liberal democrats daisy cooper, had to say . say. >> i do think it is a cynical move in a general election campaign to try and wage another phoney culture war. but on the very specific policy, what i would say is that liberal democrats have always said that if there is any confusion amongst service providers, then more guidance can be provided . more guidance can be provided. >> joanne lockwood, the founder of sea change, happen , a firm of sea change, happen, a firm that gives diversity and inclusion advice to businesses , inclusion advice to businesses, joins me now. joanne, what's your reaction to this tory proposal to change the equality act so that that word sex is replaced by the term biological sex to make it clearer , it's the sex to make it clearer, it's the act of a dying government who have absolutely no hope of getting back in again. they're throwing meat to their their grey voters, hoping that it's going to inspire some votes for

their way . it's going to inspire some votes for their way. it's going to be unimplementable whatever they're proposing. i listen to kemi all day on various chat shows and various interviews , and the various interviews, and the objective really is, is conflating transgender transsexual people with predatory men . i am not a man. predatory men. i am not a man. i'm not a predatory man. and she is looking to exclude me and others like me from spaces that we can legitimately occupy using bias and discrimination. >> but isn't she concerned that that word sex just on its own, without biological ahead of it, can be wilfully misinterpreted , can be wilfully misinterpreted, edited, and that actually women deserve women only spaces that that's acceptable. although you may not agree with this analysis with the gender critical view that trans women aren't actually women, they're trans women. so too are women allowed to be protected in their own spaces. so in refuges, in toilets, and anywhere else where we expect a male free environment, even if it's males who have undergone some degree of taking puberty

blockers or other gender realignment. blockers or other gender realignment . effectively, realignment. effectively, women's only spaces should for be biological women only. >> well, how do we police this term? biological are we doing inspections? are we asking people to lift their skirts up and drop their their knickers and drop their their knickers and say, what have you got between your legs? are we going to judge? people can take blood tests. >> well, she said, hang on a minute. she said, biological means. she's saying that biological means your biological sex at birth. surely that's the fairest way to assess it, because members of the transgender community themselves say that they don't want a differentiation between those who have undergone surgery and those who haven't. they're saying if people identify as a woman, they should be regarded as a woman. what she's saying is, no, we have to go back to the fact of the matter. and when it comes to women's only spaces, the only assessment we can ever really make and the only assessment we can ever use to be

fair, is to go back to the beginning, look at a birth certificate and say, in what sex was this person born ? was this person born? >> okay, so you're out in public, you're going to a pub and you want to use the toilet, and you want to use the toilet, and there's someone there saying, i'm not sure this person passes my test as being a woman. how do you yourself prove you're a woman and able to access these spaces? this is where this term biological sex becomes ludicrous. how do you and other biological women prove that they are biological women? have you ever taken a chromosome test? have you ever proved the fact you're a woman? i have a birth certificate, i have a passport, ihave certificate, i have a passport, i have a driving licence. i've had i've had various operations and surgery. i can prove that i'm a woman. can you prove you're a woman? >> but i don't need to prove i'm a woman. because i'm not making. no. but women. women who haven't undergone any kind of gender reassignment or indeed, that aren't presenting as transgender women don't need to prove anything because they're not claiming that they want to use

other people's spaces. but then how big is this toilet issue to you? joanne? but joanne, how big is the toilet issue to you? if there's a disabled toilet issue ? there's a disabled toilet issue? >> well, what's this need? >> well, what's this need? >> but what's this need? this kind of if it's not because this is the confusion as well. there are some transgender people who said it's not about toilets. well, why then do you care which toilet you use ? toilet you use? >> why do you care who's in your toilet? then what's the big deal about toilets? i mean, i spend my life talking about toilets . my life talking about toilets. why can't we bring the conversation? >> well, i can't tell you why. >> well, i can't tell you why. >> i'll tell you why. we worry about toilets. we worry about toilets because we worry about our daughters. because, as kemi badenoch herself has said, there's been a number of cases in different schools where for boys who are identifying as girls have been allowed into the toilets . toilets are seen by toilets. toilets are seen by young girls, particularly when they've just started their periods, and maybe they wanting to discuss things with their own girl girlfriend, as that's seen as a kind of it's a place of

sort of solace, privacy and sanctity. badenoch has made the point that in some schools, because of this idea of letting boys who identify as girls into girls toilets, it's put girls off from using the toilets , and off from using the toilets, and some girls have ended up with urinary tract infections. that's why it's important. >> well, i'm not saying that it's not important to some people, and i fully accept that we need to ensure that predatory men , people with nefarious men, people with nefarious motives, are kept out of spaces that are designed to be safe. i completely support that. but i am not okay. and people i know are not threats to women, threats to girls. we are not predatory . what you're trying to predatory. what you're trying to what kemi is trying to do is use the trans argument against trans women. what about trans men? if you think about a trans masculine person who's on testosterone, their voice is deepened. they've grown a beard. they've probably lost some hair, they may be bulked up in muscle, and they're forced to use the female toilets . how are you female toilets. how are you going to feel if a trans man is in the toilet and you won't be

able to distinguish whether that man is biologically male or biologically female? >> she's asking for clarity, isn't she? but she's saying if you go back to original birth certificates . yes. no. but certificates. yes. no. but joanne, sorry, if you go back to original birth certificates , you original birth certificates, you couldn't be clearer. the argument is, even if it's a tiny minority of trans trans identifying men who are, kind of bending the rules or maybe a threat to women and girls if there's a tiny threat to women and girls for their safety . that and girls for their safety. that trumps your feelings about using a toilet , because your feelings a toilet, because your feelings about using a toilet aren't a matter of aren't a matter of life and death, are they? what >> how often do you carry your birth certificate with you when you're out in public? when you're out in public? when you're using the toilet, how often do you prove that you're a woman? you're. we're going to find that people who may be butch lesbians, people who don't conform to the gender norms, trans masculine people are going to be policed because of how they look, how they sound. and surely that is one of the fundamentals of the equality act. it's not to discriminate

based on how someone looks or sounds. that sounds like a backwards step to me. >> okay. joanne lockwood, thank you very no . okay. i mean, it's you very no. okay. i mean, it's been a good debate. i hope you'll agree. i appreciate your view. i disagree with your view, but that's what gb news is all around about. joanne. we respectfully we respectfully disagree . and thank you very disagree. and thank you very much indeed forjoining us this much indeed for joining us this evening. joanne and carrying it around with you to prove you wrong. >> okay. >> okay. >> well, i won't need to because i'm not transgender, joanne lockwood , if you don't carry lockwood, if you don't carry your transgender, you're a woman . but i don't need to prove whether i'm a woman or not, because i'm not saying i want to use male only spaces. this is the difference, joanne. we have to leave it there for time reasons. >> you're a woman. what if i doubted? you're a woman? i want you to prove your woman. how does that work? i'm just saying. it might be win. the argument amy's come up with. every woman is going to have to prove they're a woman. >> it's not because it's not legitimate to doubt whether actual women are women because they're saying they're women.

what we're doubting is whether trans women are women or whether they are men. and i'm arguing that biologically trans women are men, regardless of what they say. okay. all right. let's leave it there. thank you. joanna joanne lockwood is the founder of see change happen, a ferm, as i said, that gives diversity and inclusion advice to business. right. shall we talk about the european situation next? we've got the labour party saying that they want closer alignment with europe and they want to do that via the medium of a veterinary agreement, which would ease checks on animal and plant products into the eu from the uk. however, lo and behold, the eu has objected to that and said no, actually we can't have such an agreement without alignment with the ecj. that would then put us slightly back to square one. although, to be fair to laboun one. although, to be fair to labour, they have said that they don't want to rejoin the eu, they don't want to rejoin the single market, and they don't want a customs union. even though the likes of david lammy, the man hoping to be the next foreign secretary, has constantly talked about closer alignment . constantly talked about closer alignment. let's bring in mike

galsworthy, the chair of the european movement uk group, to analyse this. mike why do we believe labour when they say that they don't want to do these things? no rejoining, no single market, no customs union because sir keir starmer , having been an sir keir starmer, having been an absolutely ardent remainer for all of his time on the shadow frontbench before he became leader, seems to have been very much banging the eu alignment drum , he wasn't that ardent drum, he wasn't that ardent a remainer. i mean, you've got like voted against brexit multiple, multiple times . well, multiple, multiple times. well, he's not as ardent as some of us were, let's put it, that way, and also because he was on the shadow frontbench , he was more shadow frontbench, he was more restricted in what he could say. but what are labour's plans with regard to europe? they don't actually have a lot of plans . actually have a lot of plans. and of course, i talk to people who are around labour, essentially the situation is this they didn't think they'd be

in this position at the moment where they could actually win a general election. just five years after liz truss completely gave them a gift at the end of 2022. and so they went into the beginning of 2023 thinking, my god, we could actually be forming a government next year. so, i mean, they have not just it's not that they've just not talked about brexit a lot. they've said, okay, red lines because you know , stun, we don't because you know, stun, we don't want to go. we don't want to go backwards. right now. but they haven't thought, a lot about what they'd actually do with regard to europe, and particularly because, you know, anyone's got a limited amount of bandwidth within which to make plans . and so they focused on plans. and so they focused on lots of domestic issues at home, and they don't have a lot of plans with regard to europe. there are also, you know, quite spooked by the idea of even trying to open up that conversation during this general

election debate . and so both the election debate. and so both the tories and the labour party are not talking about brexit for different reasons. however, should labour get in, then after they've done the first few things that they'd said they would do, there's probably going to be a lot of businesses, a lot of pressure groups, whether it be youth, whether it be whatever sector of society to say we need to work better with our neighbourhood. and then it's it'll be interesting to see how labour respond to that. >> i was going to ask you that, mike. i mean, are you looking at the prospect of a labour government as somebody in the pro—european movement and rubbing your hands together with glee, thinking to yourself, right, well, we now restart that campaign. we want to rejoin the eu, so we will exert as much influence as we can on a potential labour government, and particularly those ministers who we know are secretly on our side, even if for politically

political expediency. they don't admit to it. >> no, because i don't like lobbying . i mean, yeah, i mean, lobbying. i mean, yeah, i mean, essentially we want to make the argument for rejoining because , argument for rejoining because, look, we've done brexit. it's an experiment. it's fine to do experiments. i'm a scientist, i like experiments. we've learned what it's like being in. we've learned what it's like being out. we can see what works and what doesn't. and for us, well , what doesn't. and for us, well, for me as a scientist, seeing all the collaboration that you can get, all the freedoms and opportunities you could get, we want to build the country back closer to europe and as as full members. but lobbying the government isn't enough. if you're trying to make a societal change, it's got to be via the public. it's got to be via all the different regions of our country, all the different demographics, all the different business groups and sectors. >> so no, i don't want what are you saying , >> so no, i don't want what are you saying, mike? >> another referendum ? >> another referendum? >> another referendum? >> oh, i think eventually you'd

have to. i mean, i don't think the eu would let us in without another referendum because i know, but you'd have to have proof. >> i know, but i love this. you've talked referred to the last referendum as an experiment , but when it's your referendum and it goes in your favour, that's a democratic vote that we have to honour for the rest of our lives. is it? >> no, the last vote was a democratic vote. >> and so we must honour it. >> and so we must honour it. >> campaign. and so, yes, the country democratically chose to see what life was like outside the eu. and now the country dnven the eu. and now the country driven by the demos, has the kratos the power to decide if it wants to stick to brexit, go to the single market, go back into the single market, go back into the eu. it's entitled to do that. >> i don't remember during the brexit campaign voice anymore is that no, i don't remember. >> i have no choice anymore as to what their relationship with europe should be. >> well, i just don't remember

any point during the brexit campaign when we were told this was a once in a lifetime referendum, that it was actually just an experiment . comte. and just an experiment. comte. and after a few years we would do another vote to see whether we agreed with the first verdict. i don't remember being told that. i don't think anyone listening or watching this remembers that moment either. mike, very briefly, though, because we've got to leave it here. >> but but it's the same, right? throughout history, you can vote for different governments. we went into the eu, we came out. we can go back if we like. i mean, it's for the public to choose. are you saying the pubuc choose. are you saying the public can no longer choose because this is your preference anyway? no i'd be in the hands of the next government to actually listen to the public, see what the public want. you can't tell the youth for the rest of their existence that they've got no say. if they want to regain free movement or regain erasmus , it's like, no, regain erasmus, it's like, no, that decision was was taken for you. like decades ago. and it was said at the time, this is a once in a generation, once in a

generation thing, and we will decide when that generation is over. decide when that generation is over . no, it's decide when that generation is over. no, it's all decide when that generation is over . no, it's all these decide when that generation is over. no, it's all these things are rolling issues . are rolling issues. >> all right. mike galsworthy, thank you very much indeed for joining me this evening, last time i checked, i mean, young people were able to vote for brexit at 18 and old people were able to vote for it. so those 18 year olds just understand that their lifetime is spent out of their lifetime is spent out of the eu, because that's what they voted for last time i checked. anyway, in light of matt goodwin talking about this idea of nobody knowing what d—day means, or at least half the public not knowing what it means, we are of course, going to get a dispatch from a gb news reporter on omaha beach as the world prepares the 80th anniversary of

now with the 80th anniversary of d—day fast approaching, let's cross over to normandy, where

our reporter sophie reaper is there. as preparations get way for thursday's commemorations. sophie >> good evening to you, camilla. well, we're joining you this evening from port and bessin, which was the official linkup point for the british and american forces on the normandy landing . some of the british landing. some of the british were landing on my left on gold beach. some of the americans were landing on my right on omaha beach. and this is the point where they came together and they fought together. they went house to house trying to take this town back from nazis. and that is exactly what they did. so in the next few days, there's going to be a parade through port en bessin. the marines are here over my right shoulder. they're here for that. and it's just all over this part of france. over the coming days, we've been in bayeux this morning, an absolutely incredible atmosphere as people not just from the uk, not just from america, not just from canada, but from all over the world will be coming together

across the normandy coastline over the coming days to not only show their respect for those who gave their lives or almost sacrificed their lives on d—day, not only to show them respect, but also to celebrate that what they did, what they achieved, giving us the freedom that we have today. and we're expecting an incredible amount of people, as well as some veterans , to as well as some veterans, to join us over the coming days. so we'll be we'll be live here in normandy as we approach the 80th anniversary, an incredibly momentous day, not only for britain, but for the world. >> thank you very much indeed for that, sophie. and of course, gb news will be bringing you all of the latest from those commemorations in full because it's such an important anniversary. tom harwood another busy man today joins me in the studio. tom, what have you got coming up on state of the nafion? >> goodness me, i'm going to be talking to the defence secretary, grant shapps. now, of course, the race has been blown wide open today. perhaps not the

race for number 10, but the race for second place because there are all of these different polls that suggest could it be nip and tuck for the tories and the lib dems in terms of who's the official opposition? well that's just been completely blown open by a new leader of reform uk and nigel farages candidacy in clacton . could he do what he clacton. could he do what he hasn't done seven times before? and finally be elected an mp? one poll suggests he could, but lots of questions to ask the defence secretary and many, many more guests beside . more guests beside. >> very good to looking forward to listening to shapps and see what he's got to say. tom is up next. i'm going to be back tomorrow at seven with vote 2024. the new name for this show until the election. but first, here's the weather with alex burkill . burkill. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers is sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello again. very good evening to you. here's your latest gb news weather update brought to you by the met

office. whilst it is going to stay dry for many of us, as we go through the rest of today, we can expect some wet weather pushing its way in as we go into tomorrow. that's an association with a feature currently out in the atlantic, and it's heading its way towards the uk. for the time being though, we are going to have a lot of dry weather as we go through the rest of this evening and overnight. some places will see some clear skies developing, but many areas sticking with largely cloudy skies and then rain pushing its way, and initially across parts of northern ireland, but reaching far western parts of scotland, england and wales later on. because of the largely cloudy skies, temperatures not dropping a huge amount, but some places under the clear skies could just about drop into single figures . if we take single figures. if we take a closer look at what will be happening first thing tomorrow morning, and it's a generally fine picture across many southern southeastern parts. yes, a bit of cloud across east anglia, but on the whole a dry story here. different picture further north and west though. rain across northern ireland, northwest england, parts of wales and also a large chunk of scotland as well, waking up to a pretty wet start as that wet weather pushes its way in

eastern scotland may be clinging on to some fine weather for a little bit longer, but across far northern parts of scotland here there will be some hefty showers around and some of these could turn pretty heavy, possibly even thundery as we go through the day, the rain is gradually going to make its way southeastward, but southeastern parts of the country likely to stay pretty dry by the time the system arrives here, it will have broken up so much that i'm only expecting 1 or 2 spots of rain. if anything. and in the southeast, temperatures still on the warm side, highs of around 2223 celsius, but something markedly fresher towards the northwest. behind the front. as we look into wednesday, it is going to be a showery day, particularly towards the north and west. that's where the showers are coming from. some of them could be heavy, possibly even thundery, maybe even a little bit of snow over the highest ground of scotland. but further south it's looking drier and brighter. a similar picture on thursday, but i think by friday the showers are going to be a bit more widespread by by a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> good evening. i'm tom harwood , deputy political editor of gb news, bringing you the state of the nations 2024 election coverage tonight . nigel farage coverage tonight. nigel farage has announced he's standing as a candidate for the reform party and becoming the party's leader. >> i've changed my mind. so i am going to stand in this election. >> i'll be launching my candidacy. speaking at a press conference earlier today, the now party leader shocked the nafion now party leader shocked the nation in announcing his candidacy. so what does that mean for the tory party? well, i'll be asking the secretary of state for defence. grant shapps. exactly that in just a moment. we'll also be receiving an update from the constituency in question itself. clacton on

prime time provocateur adam cherry is on hand to update us on all the other candidates and sir keir starmer doubles down on his nuclear triple threat, it's been reported. angela rayner, though, has has an anti—nuclear position and that hasn't changed. plus, as we approach the 80th anniversary of d—day , the 80th anniversary of d—day, we'll be telling the untold story of those working behind the scenes at bletchley park. those who cracked the german enigma code. state of the nation starts now . starts now. i'll also be joined by my panel. former brexit party mep annunziata rees—mogg, now a conservative, i should add , and conservative, i should add, and the author and broadcaster amy nicole turner. that's all coming up after the latest headlines . up after the latest headlines. >> tom thank you. good evening

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